Essential reading for all Avalonians

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

Here's my own perspective on recommended reading. It's what I personally feel is of great importance -- as a summary of what we may be facing in the relatively near future. (By that, I mean something like the next 2-6 months from now, 7 Feb 2013.)

Of course, there's a great deal more to understand and absorb. It's fine for readers to make recommendations about important aspects that you may feel I've missed. I also fully acknowledge that many of you will already be quite familiar with what follows.

The purpose of this thread is to see if we can get ourselves all more or less on to the same page. We are necessarily of different personalities, different backgrounds, different skill-sets, even different generations, and have different purposes on Planet Earth this lifetime. But we have to assume that we are all on the same side here in what is an enormous game, contest, or battle: pick your metaphor of choice.

Here, I'm more or less focused on practicalities. In my opinion, you should be too. Your personal and spiritual development and learning parallels this. There are many aspects of Avalon which focus on and support this. That's all good, as it's part of our purpose.

But there are real threats before us. The frog-in-the-saucepan analogy applies. We should not be just spectators. The alternative media (including these words you're reading right now) is not just more entertainment and material for idle discussion, like alternative TV.

We can't just be consumers of interesting information, as if we're watching the ultimate reality show. We have to act, to take responsibility, to do stuff. Don't just watch.

Some of you will have a mission to inform others, and that's understood. But if we're ALL just informing one another, and doing nothing, the incestuousness becomes futile and of little use. One of the axes I grind about the alternative media, and the overwhelming plethora of radio shows, is that so many commentators spend so much time interviewing each other.

This overwhelming tsunami of information -- quite a lot of which is noise -- is simply too much for any person to keep up with. (This is part of the value of the Avalon Forum: an able, focused group working together to present a filtered, predigested synthesis. This thread is a part of that.)

As long ago as 2008, Kerry Cassidy and I were discussing whether Project Camelot's work was essentially complete. For those who may not know the history, this was the genesis of Project Avalon, which was always envisioned to be providing solutions, facilitating networks and personal connections, and offering sources of practical information.

That's because the problem statement is this:

If there exists a powerful, amoral [or worse], unimaginably wealthy group controlling the planet, with classified highly advanced technology at their disposal, whose origins go back thousands of years and longer, who are allied with or used by ET races who do NOT have the interests of the human race at heart and who are defying any existing non-interference agreements, who are psychically adept, are trained in and practice technologically amplified black magic, and who regard you and me as the enemy...

...Then what are we going to do about it?

Here are my suggestions.

1) Inform yourselves about all the basics, and in particular (because it's practically important right now) what I reference at the foot of this article.

2) Protect yourselves and those you care about in practical terms. That may extend to:

independence from regular infrastructure if this should suddenly fail
moving out of harm's way if you currently live in a non-optimum location, while you still have the freedom to do so, and if this is in alignment with your personal purpose
working in whatever ways you can to counter and re-define the existing probable timeline(s).

The last of these is important. Some of you are practical hard-skilled people who have no natural ability, training or experience in these areas, and this is fine. Among the mods team, I'm sure they won't mind my saying, that would include Paul and Ilie. Those guys are heroes in a different quarter. If it were not for them, Avalon cold not function as securely and smoothly as it does. They are of immense value to the wider team here. We are not asking of them that they are also white magicians. :)

But some of you are. You know who you are. It IS possible to influence events, individuals and groups, to heal the individuals involved, and dismantle the control structure as rapidly as it's being assembled. A large number of people are doing this, and I know many of them personally. A number are members of Avalon (and some of toss people operate very quietly and do not attract any attention to themselves) but many are operating independently in diverse groups all over the world and in many different cultures, using many different techniques. (As an aside, you may be interested to know that there's an enormous amount of positive activity currently taking place in Russia.)

All this has delayed the roll-out of planned events. The timeline is already significantly different from that foreseen in (for instance) T1V83 (http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html). (That was very real. Kerry and I were briefed, off camera, for five hours about that. We were left in absolutely no doubt that this was not imaginary.

But the variant timeline has so proved to be very different again. It's important to remember, each morning we awake, that NOTHING REALLY BAD HAS HAPPENED YET. This is not good fortune, or the acts of God, or the ETs, or the mistakes of the insiders. People like you have together been hauling at the rudder to change the direction of the supertanker. And it's been working.

And now we come to the principal theme of this article.

Like a solar cycle with very few sunspots (and I'll say a little more about this later), we may now be heading into a period of escalated activity that could threaten everything we've grown used to. This is what this heads-up is about.

http://projectavalon.net./2013_The_Year_America_Dies_sm.jpg

Essential reading:

1) From Dave Hodges of The Common Sense Show (a very measured and well-written article):

Part One:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/25/ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why

Part Two:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/27/why-ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding

2) This information (as Dave Hodges states) dovetails closely with the Doug Hagmann ('Rosebud') information which emerged a few days earlier:

Part One:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

Part Two:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

This all fits with known scenarios and situations. This is what I was expecting earlier last year (2012), but which may now have been deferred or delayed till now.

3) The two hour interview with insider economist "V", archived here:

http://projectavalon.net/Steve_Quayle_Doug_Hagmann_and_V_11_Jan_2013.mp3

4) The latest from DHS insider 'Rosebud', which I'd been waiting for since Christmas, published in full on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55370-Confirmed-Forums-under-attack-from-23-Jan-2013--DHS-Insider-source

The original reference is here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666

This lays it all out, as plain as day. The pieces all fit together. Those of you following the very weird, anomalous and suspicious Sandy Hook incident will have seen all the signs. 'Rosebud' summarizes that we should expect:

a) Possibly as early as April, a sudden collapse of the US economy. Insider economist "V" describes this also [see (3) above], saying that the best case scenario will be like the 1999 collapse of the Russian Ruble (great austerity, soup and bread lines, but infrastructure intact) -- and the worst case would be full-blown civil war.

http://projectavalon.net/Steve_Quayle_Doug_Hagmann_and_V_11_Jan_2013.mp3

One of the actions to take here is to get out of all paper investments. Note that gold stocks are not gold! Liquid, small-denomination gold and silver coins are smart to hold. Insider-connected people that know what's about to happen are investing in practical equipment, stored food, hard resources, and farmable land. Anything left over is in precious metals.

"V" states that after a period of apparently wild fluctuations around the current prices, silver will shoot up to $500-600, gold to $4000-6000. I can understand this, as I have first-hand confirmation that (as "V" says) there's barely any inventory anywhere. There's very little physical gold and silver to buy right now, and prices are certainly artificially suppressed.

But, as George Green has always advised, the best investment may be in land, equipment, spare parts, and useful practical stuff. There may come a point where gold and silver will only be practically useful at the END of the emergency. (Always think: who will buy it from you?)

b) A set-up/ false-flag incident or situation intended to publicly demonize government-critical 'fringe groups' such as survivalists, sovereigns, patriots, constitutionalists, gun rights advocates, and other 'domestic terrorists' -- maybe even all lumped together.

c) Another Sandy Hook type incident -- maybe escalated to be far more apparently horrific.

d) (Already rolled out on 23 January) -- the start of subversive and disruptive action against a large number of online groups and individuals, certainly including the Avalon Forum and some members within it. (There is strong reason to believe that when this proved to be ineffective, due to Avalon's strong membership firewalls, the action was excavated to a different level, one that 'Rosebud' does not mention or does not know about, which features technologically-amplified psychic attacks on targeted individuals. See this important three part interview if you're in any doubt about the reality of this technology:


http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_3.mp3

e) Some deaths of activists, intended as warnings to the alternative community. (This too seems to have begun already, and I suspect there will be more).

Finally, I promised I'd say a word about solar activity. In summary: so far, so good. Watch http://spaceweather.com for alerts and updates. I've heard nothing more from my insider source who warned me of an 1859-scale solar event anticipated for early this year (i.e. round about now). If we make it safely through to the end of summer, risks of a major destructive CME [Coronal Mass Ejection] may be pretty much over.

In the meantime, I have a bunch of military-grade EMP bags (http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/pc/EMP-Protection-c128.htm), which are really quite cheap, ready on hand to protect any critical electronics. You may only need a few, and they'll last forever.

So that's it. Please read the above through as many times as it takes to really understand this. And please do read all the linked articles and listen to all the audios. (It'll take a little time, but I promise it's worth it.)

And finally, as I've said many times, the mods and admins here do a quite stellar job. There HAVE been attacks on the forum, and we've been tracking them carefully. There are some very able people on the team, supported by a number of very able members behind the scenes. (You know who you are, and I thank you all.)

There's been a lot of work done already. The forum is in good shape, but we're agreed that there will almost certainly be more to come. All this may only just have started. Put on your lifejackets, and connect your safety lines: we're all on this journey together.

[bogeyman]

It will take some time to read this material and absorb it, but I'm sure it will be worth it.

[Freed Fox]

I've made it a priority to investigate the materials above that I have yet to read or hear.

I also want to thank you Bill, and the rest of the mod team, for your hard work and diligence. As you said, there is too much info and 'noise' here for any individual to keep up with, and yet you and the others have essentially been tasked with just that. I think you've been doing a great job.

My main focus has been (and likely will be, for awhile) gathering information and insight, along with personal/spiritual development. I fully agree that action must be taken as well, and that we each have a role to play. I have been seeking an answer, both within and without, as to what the best course of action is for me. I pose these questions on a daily basis; where do I go? What do I do? The answer remains elusive.

I believe that, for now, I must simply continue seeking, and maintain faith that the path forward will become apparent when the time is right.

I wish you all the best, and am continually honored to be a part of this amazing community.

[Dennis Leahy]

One extremely practical and VERY cheap idea that may save your life, and your family (and others) is to buy seeds right now. Buy them today. Make a commitment to do this today. Buy organic seeds. Buy more than you need - whatever you can afford (they may well be one of the most barterable commodities possible to own.) Buy seeds that will grow in your area, your climate. Buy at least some that provide food very quickly (like "greens" - lettuces and spinach varieties that you can start to harvest in 30 days.) Buy stuff that you like to eat, but be smart enough to look for "nutrient density" rather than a gourmet taste. Kale comes to mind. It is bitter, but astoundingly nutrient dense. Buy a variety of different seeds that mature at different rates so you'll be eating garden-fresh food spring, summer, and fall. I'll emphasize, don't forget extra packets of "greens", as they can also be started in sequential weeks to keep providing food.

I would say that even if you have to pay as much as $3 US per packet of seeds, and you choose wisely, that you can buy enough seeds with a $50 to $100 investment to feed you and your family for a year (canning and drying some of the harvest.) Seeds are little miracles of life.

I'm going to check up on you! If any of you do not have a stash of seeds within a few weeks, I am going to personally spray you with a hose until you wake up.

:~)

Dennis

[varuna]

Thank you Bill, I will read and digest the information you have provided...I have a sense that this year is going to be a defining year for humanity in lots of ways, a quickening if you like; a sense that we need to take stock of our current situation, evaluate what we need to do and take the necessary action to minimize as much as we can whatever is thrown at us.

...we are very fortunate that we have each other. :grouphug:

[RMorgan]

Hey Bill,

Thanks for the heads up.

I´d like to reiterate Bill´s post and advise, specially to all North-Americans members, to be extra-careful.

Honestly, I´ve never seen anything weirder than the Sandy Hook incident, that I can call, with 100% certainty, a hoax.

Apart from that, there are countless signs that your government is planning for civil unrest, as Bill´s links indicate.

So, if something bad is about to happen, I´m sure it´s going to start up there in the US.

Be extremely careful and pay attention to the signs. My intuition is really telling me that something bad is about to happen.

I may be wrong, but it´s better to be prepared, just in case.

Think about a place to go far from major urban centers. Get familiar with the edible plants and water sources from this location. Get a map and find the best route to get there, giving preference to alternative roads. Make sure your car is good to go and keep its gas tank above half capacity.

Have about three weeks of food, a few gallons of fuel, bottled water, camping gear, intermediary first aid kit and basic hygiene products packed and ready to go in your garage.

Don´t talk about it to your neighbors and be discreet. Avoid getting yourself publicly involved in pro-gun, or any anti-government discussions.

I really hope nothing happens and this is just another case of collective paranoia, but it´s always better to be prepared these days.

This book, SAS Survival Handbook (http://www.amazon.com/SAS-Survival-Handbook-Revised-Situation/dp/0061733199) is a mandatory reading. I highly recommend it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[onawah]

I would like to suggest that we alter our forum motto to :"Where Science, Practicality and Spirituality Meet"!
Bill's original intention for the forum, I believe, was to be a networking space for people sharing resources along the lines of sustainable, off the grid living, intentional community, etc.
I would venture to say that we are all at least 100% more aware now than when the forum first started of the necessity of focusing on and providing that
Things are moving so quickly now, and the necessity for finding more ways of getting ourselves "back to Nature" should be and no doubt will be more and more paramount in our minds.
Kudos to Bill for being aware even then of the nature of the agendas of those who would do everything they can to prevent us from re-aligning with Nature, re-empowering ourselves, connecting more and more with our fellows, and reclaiming our roots within our Source.
The more "earthing" we can do, the stronger we will be.

[Tangri]

One extremely practical and VERY cheap idea that may save your life, and your family (and others) is to buy seeds right now. Buy them today. Make a commitment to do this today. Buy organic seeds. Buy more than you need - whatever you can afford (they may well be one of the most barterable commodities possible to own.) Buy seeds that will grow in your area, your climate. Buy at least some that provide food very quickly (like "greens" - lettuces and spinach varieties that you can start to harvest in 30 days.) Buy stuff that you like to eat, but be smart enough to look for "nutrient density" rather than a gourmet taste. Kale comes to mind. It is bitter, but astoundingly nutrient dense. Buy a variety of different seeds that mature at different rates so you'll be eating garden-fresh food spring, summer, and fall. I'll emphasize, don't forget extra packets of "greens", as they can also be started in sequential weeks to keep providing food.

I would say that even if you have to pay as much as $3 US per packet of seeds, and you choose wisely, that you can buy enough seeds with a $50 to $100 investment to feed you and your family for a year (canning and drying some of the harvest.) Seeds are little miracles of life.

I'm going to check up on you! If any of you do not have a stash of seeds within a few weeks, I am going to personally spray you with a hose until you wake up.

:~)

Dennis

I assume you were planning living a deserted island and no hunger around you.
Even though it is a good idea, to have organic seeds in handy. When paper or plastic does not work for trade, seeds are,/will be good tools.

[GoodETxSG]

Excellent Points! I am glad someone on the site with stature is talking about this. I look forward to listening and reading all of the info in your links.

I have a TON of basics of economic and political corruption on my Facebook page. I would be happy to chat with anyone on the topic off forum via email/chat.

Thanks for the important conversation starter. Who will your family look at for direction during an economic or political crisis? How will you feel when you look back at their eyes with no answer? I believe it is a basic responsibility to have certain provisions and plans in place.

You do not have to go wild and count exits in every building you enter or obsessively compulsively hiding cans of Tuna Fish all over the house like the show American Preppers. You really do not have to do or spend that much.

Just do the research Bill mentioned above, know your city/most likely disasters Natural (EQ's, Tornado's etc...) or man made (Chemical/nuclear facilities, fault lines etc...) get some long term storage food and water purification. I would also have a capacitor or car battery rig to charge up with a wind or solar energy source and power inverter for basic electricity... as well as several other things. But knowing the basics and having a handle on how the world really works (Which most on this site DO) is research every Avalonian should make time for.

There are some extremely intelligent and sophisticated people on this site. I am certain a lot of extremely powerful insiders visit this site daily with a pseudonym because of the great info and see how close we are on their heels... as well as cause problems and surveillance purposes as Bill reported in his past post Confirmed -- Forums under attack from 23 Jan 2013 (DHS Insider source).

Bill Mentioned Strategic Relocation...
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[Douglass]

Thank you Bill,

We are lucky to have you brother.

[wobbegong]

Thankyou Bill for this vital message. I'll get started on ALL the readings you recommended right now.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

For those in the UK who want to stock up on food in cheap way, these sites are great:

http://www.approvedfood.co.uk/

http://www.foodbargains.co.uk/index.php

They sell food that has passed its sell by date which is NOT its use by date.

[Arrowwind]

Thank you Bill for putting up this thread up. Most who have been on this forum for a while know that I have made my decision over 5 years ago now to prepare ultimately resulting in move out of a major metopolitian area to a place where I feel we might be able to get through this.

I have been quite forward in my concerns here on this forum regarding the need to prepare and have done so repeatedly. I have been accused of fear mongering and ridiculed many times over the last two years when I have put up posts with the intent to wake people up regarding the issues around the need to take action and to prepare.

I understand the need to prepare spiritually but now is the time to prepare physically. As spiritual as you think you are there is no preparation that anyone can do to meet what potentially lies before us that will be adequate if one leaves it to spirit alone. You can run solo and without defense if that is your choice but if you have children and others you need to be responsible for you must start to be even more responsible now.

We don't know when maritial law may come upon us here in the US. BUT IT WILL CERTAINLY COME IF THEY TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY. So for those who doubt and who particpate in this this material as though it were entertainment and distraction, you have been warned.

We can all pray for a better outcome. We can hope and vison for a good life. But the signs of the times are now written all over the walls. Take the time to read and to understand and to prepare. For me it was not a fun thing to do to get to that gut wrenching conclusion that this is what I need to do for myself and for my children as well as for the greater good of society. It absolutley was not on my top ten list of fun things to do.

If it does not happen, and if we should sail though the next 10 years without signficant incident then you can still know that you worked your presence in this life with caution and consideration for all those who are aound you and for those you are responsible for with the best of intent to preserve their life and liberty.

[Lefty Dave]

Thanks, Bill, for your updates and the above 'required reading'...I'll catch up on that which I haven't already seen and/or heard...and I appreciate you taking your valuable time to 'remind' us...to keep on keeping on. Blessings to you and yours.

[jagman]

Bill, I promise I will read & try to digest all this information tonight.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks Bill, sometimes I get a bit turned off by some of the threads and dare not enter for just the reason you mention, attacks.

Your recommendation is like gold to me. I will make sure to go over the list, top to bottom.

Great to hear these attacks are being dealt with in an organized and conscious manner by you and mods and those talented members. It is of paramount importance.
I do what I can but I am no White Wizard.

[Fred Steeves]

The wife and I have already made one move in the last year, from a fairly major metropolitan area where I grew up and spent most of my life, to a much lesser one. Very soon we are moving again, a few hundred miles away, to a MUCH less populated area. Basically rural, in eastern Tennessee USA. This is not based in fear, but simply in seeing the handwriting on the wall, and feeling the "bad" juju in the air. We hopefully will have enough money to buy 3, maybe even 5 acres of land to grow fruit and vegetables, have chickens for eggs, a creek and a well for water, that sort of thing. A nice simple existance.

Life goes on in the meantime, and always will. Until...Whatever...For our grandparents it was simple common sense to be self sufficient, and prepared for an emergency. To also be prepared to help others in need if possible.

[Arrowwind]

Life goes on in the meantime, and always will. Until...Whatever...For our grandparents it was simple common sense to be self sufficient, and prepared for an emergency. To also be prepared to help others in need if possible.


Good for you Fred! You are entering into an exciting time in your life and I went through this not too long ago. I advise you, though my calculations I concluded that it would be most prudent to purchase seed now and to gather together your essential gardening tools. It gave me a lot of comfort knowing I had these ready to go even before I moved.

GoodTXGE thats a great movie. Everyone should watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrHrG19URo4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrHrG19URo4)

[GoodETxSG]

I know most of us are NOT supportive of “Fear Porn”. I do worry that after the 2012 date coming and going with no “End of the world”events people are going to kick back and become complacent. As Bill said, it does look like a LOT of these crises are going to happen in 2013/2014.

Even on the Positive Side if many of the authors and reporters we follow are correct and there is a roundup of the “Corrupt Elite” there will be a scary time where Marshal Law will likely be imposed while we recover from the extent of the corruption and rebuild our financial and political systems.

On the Negative side if the N.W.O. does happen to prevail or wreck everything on their way out we still need to be prepared for Martial Law and interruption of commerce for a while. The same is true of any catastrophe be it natural or man made (False flag or not).

RECENT! Military Drills in U.S. cities with police and foreign countries?: 8CuPz6lJSVY

BIG news from 2011 but no one paid attention. Imagine what is in place now. : Lou Dobbs: Major Public Concerns Of Martial Law In The U.S. Army gearing
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How to Survive Apocalyptic Events with Joel Skousen: qM8eMGnavWQ

FEMA/DHS/DOJ and the Social Security Administration of all groups are buying MILLIONS of ROUNDS OF AMMO and Dehydrated Survival Food with 25 year shelf lives. We are preparing for Massive Civil War, Says DHS Informant - nXg2WsNCrW4

Obama Justifies FEMA imprisonment of civilians!: 8mPZlysCAm0

Rex 84 FEMA Camps | Continuity of Government: JfzE_TK-zmQ

Surviving Civil War II: Preparing for Economic, Political & Social Collapse: 9iwNp5v-hGY

[Poly Hedra]

From what I have gathered from the links you have provided, the s*** is hitting the fan and its time to move.

Its time to find a safe place. Something George Green was saying back in 2007. He predicted the 2008 global banking collapse right down to the month. He said Sept 2008.

Thanks for putting together this collection of links. I have to ask, if all these alphabet agencies are going into hiding, does this mean that they're all spineless cowards? Or do they have the right idea? Is the time for sowing seeds of information with family and friends over? If we all go into hiding and hunker down, whats the reason to do this? Should we be trying to find somewhere secluded to ride out the chaos?

Is it still possible to derail this agenda? If not, why are we not just staying put and fighting to the death while helping as many people as possible? For example when a disaster happens like an earthquake people come from miles around to help. Are we finding safety to eventually come out the other end? To what?

[Carmen]

I took on board George Greens advice a few years back as to being self sufficient on land. Thanks for repeating it Bill. Many of the leaders I respect have been saying the same thing for years!

[Operator]

Is it still possible to derail this agenda?

I think this only partly makes sense because e.g. a solar storm is not controlled by the ones having the agenda.

In my estimation the likely scenario is that they are awaiting a solar storm so that they can use the crisis to latch
on and kick off their agenda. They 'plasmafied' the atmosphere with chemtrails thereby increasing the chances for
enormous electrical discharges (look at the 'grand canyon' on Mars).

This can not be avoided at this point, there is no way back. The only way to derail their plans now is to be as self
sufficient as possible. If a potential solar storm delivers less a crisis than they thought it changes the momentum to
our favor. Then their power-base may be weakened and we got part of our freedom back.

Sad really that it has to be done this way ... so be it.

[Taurean]

I think some thought needs to be put into developing your own local monetary/barter system because the price of Gold & Silver will be largely irrelevant post collapse.

We need to establish what an ounce of silver/gold is worth in terms of a loaf of bread, milk, eggs, gallon of fuel, etc.

i.e. If you were a Baker what would you consider fair exchange for a loaf of bread ?

If people no longer have the driving force of Bills & Taxes to pay, will they still produce their goods on a regular and consistant basis ?

[Selene]

Bill,

Your OP ought to be required reading for all Avalonians.

Thank you - and thank you beyond - for your extreme sanity in the midst of this..... whirlwind.

We always knew why we'd signed on here to work with you....

My respects, sir.

Cheers,

Selene

[kaon]

Thanks for the compilation of material which I will indulge in this weekend. I personally appreciate the concern and direction, Bill. BTW, I have been seed shopping already.

[ghostrider]

Thanks Bill for the informatin and direction, I'm getting started with reading and such right now ... my new motto is do it today , don't delay ... We are lucky to have such a great captian Bill (the hat) Ryan , I feel honored to be a part of what I call Starship Avalon, we boldy go together where No one has gone before ...if only the world had our sense of Unity and common purpose ...

[ThePythonicCow]

3) The two hour interview with insider economist "V", archived here:

http://projectavalon.net/Steve_Quayle_Doug_Hagmann_and_V_11_Jan_2013.mp3

This interview (I'm half way through now) seems to me to be another in a long line of similar such "insider warnings" that endeavor to set up various trigger events (Euro collapsing, Japan collapsing, Gold spiking, Petro spiking, war here or there, banks collapsing, grocery store shelves empty, riots or mass murders, homeland security tyranny, gun confiscation, ...) which the more alert members of each community will take as the signal to hunker down and "pull in their horns".

They (the bastards in power) are doing what they can to transition us through another major shift, in their eternal quest to maintain and extend control through dynamic chaos and increasingly pervasive surveillance and propaganda.

The economics I am hearing from "V" in this interview are popularized "alternative theory" economic myths, that are in my view, part and partial of this endeavor.

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It is as if we are being trained to run for the tornado shelter when the siren sounds, but likely when it really does sound, there won't really be a serious tornado bearing down on us, but rather some more subversive reason that "they" want us bunched up in that shelter right then.

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Stay alert, share insights and observations, keep learning ... That's how we continue to keep "them" on the defensive, and that's the reason I'm here, doing what I am, to facilitate this effort.

[gripreaper]

This interview (I'm half way through now) seems to me to be another in a long line of similar such "insider warnings" that endeavor to set up various trigger events (Euro collapsing, Japan collapsing, Gold spiking, Petro spiking, war here or there, banks collapsing, grocery store shelves empty, riots or mass murders, homeland security tyranny, gun confiscation, ...) which the more alert members of each community will take as the signal to hunker down and "pull in their horns".

They (the bastards in power) are doing what they can to transition us through another major shift, in their eternal quest to maintain and extend control through dynamic chaos and increasingly pervasive surveillance and propaganda.

The economics I am hearing from "V" in this interview are popularized "alternative theory" economic myths, that are in my view, part and partial of this endeavor.

You so get it Paul. We need to not only look at the relevant information we are being "presented" with (nothing is an accident) but also ask the opposite question and look through the parallax view mirror.

For example, the actual result of Sandy Hook was, we went out and purchased a boatload of guns and ammo. The parallax question is: Why do they want us armed to the teeth?

The other question is: Why do they want us to go to safe havens out in the country? The answer could be: we would be easier to "pick off" or dispose of, while the rest of the population shoot each other?

Take all of the parallax views and THEN attempt to connect the dots. It's like wearing your t-shirt inside out.

Saves on a lot of bullets? Creates a verifiable story which guarantees the perpetrators will not be implicated?

So, as Paul does, always ask the opposite question and look at the results.

[Calz]

You so get it Paul.



Indeed ... as do you ...




Saves on a lot of bullets?




Oooops ... too late.

______________


DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition


Federal agency has now acquired enough bullets to wage 30 year war

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
February 7, 2013

The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion bullets it has already obtained over the course of the last 10 months alone, figures which have stoked concerns that the federal agency is preparing for civil unrest.


http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/

[Lazlo]

I haven't seen it discussed here before, but the most critical component in a survival situation is your attitude, and it is the one thing that you always have influence over.

Anybody here know the short version of the story of the founding of Outward Bound? It goes something like this:

The British admiralty was puzzled as to why the survivors of shipwrecks seemed to be the crusty old salts and not the young and vibrant, who were full of all the latest knowledge. They discovered that the key element was attitude and confidence. In short, if you don't BELIEVE that you can survive, then you won't.

This does not mean however, that belief is enough. You MAY still die, but it is not a certainty.

Start with filling up the space between your ears, and then worry about solar panels and greenhouses. I would suggest taking up a hobby that provides very real and valuable experience that you can draw on later. It is all well and good to have your bug out bag ready to go and full of all sorts of goodies, but you need to spend some time living out of it to make it truly valuable. Virtually everyone lives near enough to a national forest or wilderness area to get out for a weekend. Just don't wait for the weather to be good, go now and learn the skills while it is cold and wet. You may just find that you want to rethink what you consider important. I've seen plenty of people drag a laptop into the mountains but then leave the extra set of dry skivvies and socks at home because they didn't have any room in their bag :haha: And please, make sure your boots are broken in. And spend the 2 bucks on some moleskin. You would be surprised at how many people break down into a hopeless mess that makes their $1500 worth of REI bling worthless after they got a blister on their heel.

Nothing focuses the mind quite like spending 36 hours huddled under a tarp in relentless driving wind and snow while trying to light a stove so that you can drink something warm.

My guess is that Bill may also have some valuable advice considering his time spent on mountains.

Hang on kids, its going to be a wild ride, and hopefully you can be a steady hand for someone to hold on to.

[Freed Fox]

For example, the actual result of Sandy Hook was, we went out and purchased a boatload of guns and ammo. The parallax question is: Why do they want us armed to the teeth?

The other question is: Why do they want us to go to safe havens out in the country? The answer could be: we would be easier to "pick off" or dispose of, while the rest of the population shoot each other?

This is exactly what I've been thinking. There has been a lot of clamor about gun control and the preservation of the 2nd Amendment, so that citizens can maintain their right to form a militia and fight governmental tyranny. In my mind, this issue has unfortunately been rendered irrelevant. Consider drone warfare. The weapons and technology utilized by the government and military are so advanced, that assault rifles are bound to do more harm than good; paranoid citizenry fighting itself, while TPTB watch with satellites from secured bunkers with automated defenses.

[zebowho]

One extremely practical and VERY cheap idea that may save your life, and your family (and others) is to buy seeds right now. Buy them today. Make a commitment to do this today. Buy organic seeds. Buy more than you need - whatever you can afford (they may well be one of the most barterable commodities possible to own.) Buy seeds that will grow in your area, your climate. Buy at least some that provide food very quickly (like "greens" - lettuces and spinach varieties that you can start to harvest in 30 days.) Buy stuff that you like to eat, but be smart enough to look for "nutrient density" rather than a gourmet taste. Kale comes to mind. It is bitter, but astoundingly nutrient dense. Buy a variety of different seeds that mature at different rates so you'll be eating garden-fresh food spring, summer, and fall. I'll emphasize, don't forget extra packets of "greens", as they can also be started in sequential weeks to keep providing food.

I would say that even if you have to pay as much as $3 US per packet of seeds, and you choose wisely, that you can buy enough seeds with a $50 to $100 investment to feed you and your family for a year (canning and drying some of the harvest.) Seeds are little miracles of life.

I'm going to check up on you! If any of you do not have a stash of seeds within a few weeks, I am going to personally spray you with a hose until you wake up.

:~)

Dennis

Absolutely Dennis, I would also add sprout seeds. They are ready to eat in about 1-14 days (depending on variety), rich in nutrients AND packed with protein (General values:Vitamins A, B, C, D, E and K, Calcium, Carbohydrates, Chlorophyll, Iron, Magnesium, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Phosphorus, Potassium, Zink, All Amino Acids, Trace elements and up to 35% protein. The sprouting process is pretty simple and most importantly a great (and somewhat quick) way to feed you and your family as your own stores start to dwindle and until crops come in. This would be especially good for those that cannot move out of the larger cities, have very small space to grow gardens and cannot stock up on dry kits.

There are several sites out there with seeds/sprouters and info about the process. Just do a search on sprout seeds.

-z

[Lazlo]

For example, the actual result of Sandy Hook was, we went out and purchased a boatload of guns and ammo. The parallax question is: Why do they want us armed to the teeth?

The other question is: Why do they want us to go to safe havens out in the country? The answer could be: we would be easier to "pick off" or dispose of, while the rest of the population shoot each other?

This is exactly what I've been thinking. There has been a lot of clamor about gun control and the preservation of the 2nd Amendment, so that citizens can maintain their right to form a militia and fight governmental tyranny. In my mind, this issue has unfortunately been rendered irrelevant. Consider drone warfare. The weapons and technology utilized by the government and military are so advanced, that assault rifles are bound to do more harm than good; paranoid citizenry fighting itself, while TPTB watch with satellites from secured bunkers with automated defenses.

It could just be that the dipsticks we elected aren't as smart or in touch with the average person as we give them credit for. It is probably just me, and also certifiably crazy, but I find it easier to function thinking that the world is full of stupid, corrupt, and selfish politicians instead of super villians with laser beam equipped sharks ;)

[Calz]

It could just be that the dipsticks we elected aren't as smart or in touch with the average person as we give them credit for. It is probably just me, and also certifiably crazy, but I find it easier to function thinking that the world is full of stupid, corrupt, and selfish politicians instead of super villians with laser beam equipped sharks ;)


:lol:

*ELECTED* ... as in chosing which of the two puppets the elite foists upon us???

:rofl:


http://giovanniworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obama-dumb-and-dumber.jpg


http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/funny-captions-mitt-romney-literally-thousands-of-dumb-things-i-havent-said.jpg

[HaveBlue]

Please folks, remember that Bill Ryan is the captain of the Avalon forum only. I know he does not want to have anybody here looking to him for answers for their own personal situation.

He is not trying to collect a bunch of co-dependants that won't think for themselves and take personal responsibility for their own lives and situations.

I get this myself from time to time in my own neighbourhood. If I fail to provide for myself and future, not make my own preparations, not even try to grow my own food, what use is whining to Bill in Equador when I am going hungry in Dunedin, New Zealand?

He has said time and again, how he simply took up a consumer grade camcorder and went out and found people to interview. He got off his backside. That is his advice.
Follow the example not the man.

The worst thing of all is there are going to be those who want to blame Bill when he does not come forth with clear instructions of what to do! If you need that then get a bible or something.

He will not be responsible for your failure- you will be. Neither will he take credibility for your success- you will.

[Unicorn]

Please folks, remember that Bill Ryan is the captain of the Avalon forum only. I know he does not want to have anybody here looking to him for answers for their own personal situation.

He is not trying to collect a bunch of co-dependants that won't think for themselves and take personal responsibility for their own lives and situations.

That's OK, but how many of us here are white magicians? I can do all my preparations, but facing this I feel so small, powerless and overcome. It's just being human.

[Conchis]

I'd like to add to the buy seeds call (which is certainly a good insurance policy, even if not needed ultimately). You should also buy copious amounts of salt. If things do get hinky, you'll need salt to preserve with in amounts that you aren't accustomed to.

[Operator]

I'd like to add to the buy seeds call (which is certainly a good insurance policy, even if not needed ultimately). You should also buy copious amounts of salt. If things do get hinky, you'll need salt to preserve with in amounts that you aren't accustomed to.

I have a huge amount of sea salt next to my door ...

[SilentFeathers]

This interview (I'm half way through now) seems to me to be another in a long line of similar such "insider warnings" that endeavor to set up various trigger events (Euro collapsing, Japan collapsing, Gold spiking, Petro spiking, war here or there, banks collapsing, grocery store shelves empty, riots or mass murders, homeland security tyranny, gun confiscation, ...) which the more alert members of each community will take as the signal to hunker down and "pull in their horns".

They (the bastards in power) are doing what they can to transition us through another major shift, in their eternal quest to maintain and extend control through dynamic chaos and increasingly pervasive surveillance and propaganda.

The economics I am hearing from "V" in this interview are popularized "alternative theory" economic myths, that are in my view, part and partial of this endeavor.

You so get it Paul. We need to not only look at the relevant information we are being "presented" with (nothing is an accident) but also ask the opposite question and look through the parallax view mirror.

For example, the actual result of Sandy Hook was, we went out and purchased a boatload of guns and ammo. The parallax question is: Why do they want us armed to the teeth?

The other question is: Why do they want us to go to safe havens out in the country? The answer could be: we would be easier to "pick off" or dispose of, while the rest of the population shoot each other?

Take all of the parallax views and THEN attempt to connect the dots. It's like wearing your t-shirt inside out.

Saves on a lot of bullets? Creates a verifiable story which guarantees the perpetrators will not be implicated?

So, as Paul does, always ask the opposite question and look at the results.

"The Law of Opposites" right now is of the utmost importance, especially when dealing with a bunch of known liars....

I'm sure it wasn't Bill's intention to entice fear or a sense of panic, but I am seeing a bit of that peppered throughout this thread.

Think about it folks, something is always likely to happen, something WILL happen....this is the way it is.....

Wars busting out, BP oil spill like events, crooks reaping and financially raping, earthquakes, hurricanes, blizzards, shootings, false flag shockers,....etc etc etc....this stuff is nothing new, but what we are seeing is an escalation of all of the above and more.

So use common sense, logic, and sound reasoning....find your perspective that works the best for you and don't be a follower of someone else's life and perspective. Listen to others with your spirit, soul, mind and heart, not just with your mind, if it rings true then blend some of it with your own. Most importantly, listen to yourself, think for yourself, trust your own heart and intuition.

Stay centered and grounded the best you can and move forward in a balanced and focused way....

[Arrowwind]

I'd like to add to the buy seeds call (which is certainly a good insurance policy, even if not needed ultimately). You should also buy copious amounts of salt. If things do get hinky, you'll need salt to preserve with in amounts that you aren't accustomed to.

Yes, this is true and I have also found that stored white vinegar is essential, also along with sugar. Now Im no sugar fan at all but if things go extreme you will want a way to preserve fruit and its an excellent trade commodity. All of this is actually. You can dry fruit also but you need electricity to do that effectively for large amounts. You can sun dry but its not always the best solution under all circumstances. I also store fruit pectin and lots of canning jars along with reusable Tattler lids and sealing rings for canning. If you can foods you MUST have tattler lids. http://www.reusablecanninglids.com/

[mgray]

I like to follow the money (in true Watergate fashion) on these matters to find proof. Earlier this week the head of floor trading operations at the NYSE wrote this in his daily report sent out to UBS traders.

"A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:

In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.

Hopefully, this person is wrong."

Now, since there is rarely and original thought on investments others have crowded into the trade after this announcement. So I am not sure what to make of it.
Is it an investment house taking a flyer on a huge bet that the S--- will hit the fan soon, or something more?

[Arrowwind]

If you were a Baker what would you consider fair exchange for a loaf of bread ?

If people no longer have the driving force of Bills & Taxes to pay, will they still produce their goods on a regular and consistant basis ?

We were talking about this with a Mormon friend last year. Mormons think about this stuff a lot. The answer was "a bushel of wheat will be worth an ounce of gold" at that time, about 1550 US. Whats it worth to feed your family when you have no resource?

[BlueGem]

I agree with what others have said. It is better to prepare yourself mentally for survival first. I have read a couple of survival guides (some great free apps are available!) and within a few pages they always discuss the psychology of survival.

Next would be to familiarize yourself with your area. It is impractical to stockpile years of food and ammo in your house, especially if you are in an urban area. How long do you think you could keep a treasure trove of vitality a secret? Others may have just as much ammo as you, and they will be hungry. Think zombie apocalypse.

[Christine]

Please folks, remember that Bill Ryan is the captain of the Avalon forum only. I know he does not want to have anybody here looking to him for answers for their own personal situation.

He is not trying to collect a bunch of co-dependants that won't think for themselves and take personal responsibility for their own lives and situations.

That's OK, but how many of us here are white magicians? I can do all my preparations, but facing this I feel so small, powerless and overcome. It's just being human.

Unicorn, this is your starting point. As you do your preparations you are doing something, take heart in that and continue to walk the path.

The false paradigm is built on the premise that you are small and powerless. Refute that with all your might. Reverse your thoughts about what being human means! As human beings we are so much more than they want us to know.

Your chosen avatar is powerful and magical, you have that gift, it is inherent in all of us.

[Eram]

I'd like to add to the buy seeds call (which is certainly a good insurance policy, even if not needed ultimately). You should also buy copious amounts of salt. If things do get hinky, you'll need salt to preserve with in amounts that you aren't accustomed to.

Something like this?

50 kilograms.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6043/50kgsalt.jpg

We (my mate and I) long held the stance that we weren't going to add energy to a possible bumpy timeline by preparing for it with buying food and whatever one can need in times of trouble, but as of late we descided to budge and give in to the wish to prepare for a few years of turmoil.

Just preparing and not aiming our intent for it isn't going to add to those timelines ...

It might also be an idea to buy a few years worth of food supplements/vitamins, like vitamin C and D3 to stay healthy when you live in a area where there is a big chance of loosing access to healthy food (like in big cities).

[Old Snake]

Dennis,All

My thoughts too,may I add to it: to learn to save seeds.

Old Snake

[Eram]

I like to follow the money (in true Watergate fashion) on these matters to find proof. Earlier this week the head of floor trading operations at the NYSE wrote this in his daily report sent out to UBS traders.

"A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:

In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.

Hopefully, this person is wrong."

Now, since there is rarely and original thought on investments others have crowded into the trade after this announcement. So I am not sure what to make of it.
Is it an investment house taking a flyer on a huge bet that the S--- will hit the fan soon, or something more?


Hi mgray,

For those of us that aren't familiar with your line of work...

Can you tell us in understandable language what is written
in this post?

I get it that there is being bet on a market event... but I dond't understand what they are betting on and what possible event that might be. :)

edit to add:

I see that I was to hasty with my post, since Bill already translated ... oops :P

[Bill Ryan]

I like to follow the money (in true Watergate fashion) on these matters to find proof. Earlier this week the head of floor trading operations at the NYSE wrote this in his daily report sent out to UBS traders.

"A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:

In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.

Hopefully, this person is wrong."

Now, since there is rarely and original thought on investments others have crowded into the trade after this announcement. So I am not sure what to make of it.
Is it an investment house taking a flyer on a huge bet that the S--- will hit the fan soon, or something more?


Many thanks. If I may, I'd like to translate this into simple language! :)

There's been a massive "bet" placed -- thousands of times larger then 'normal' -- that the markets will crash round about the end of April.

Times when these kind of huge bets have been placed before include

Just before 9/11.
Just before the time when the B-52 bomber was discovered having flown half way across the US carrying a nuclear cruise missile (http://rense.com/general78/nuks.htm) (a highly significant and anomalous incident which was swiftly covered up).

[norman]

A summer crisis !

I always take note of the timing of military campaigns around the world, it's all part of the planning to choose the likely weather conditions to aid you in achieving your goals.

If this market bet is really an indicator that this summer is going to be IT, I assume they actually WANT a lot of resistance.

If they had chosen the winter I'd assume they wanted to get a job done quick and complete with minimum 'drama'.

[Arrowwind]

Something like this?

50 kilograms.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6043/50kgsalt.jpg
.

Is that food grade salt? Where did you find such big bags?
I recommend that you put it into buckets to prevent it from getting wet.
Plastic bags are a risk.

[Eram]

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Something like this?

50 kilograms.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6043/50kgsalt.jpg
.

Is that food grade salt? Where did you find such big bags?
I recommend that you put it into buckests so it wont get wet. Plastic bags are a risk.

It depends on what you considder to be food grade salt.

We bought it from a trader in horse food products.

People who work with horses feed them this salt, and since horses get fed healthier produce then people these days, we figured that we might be able to use it in our food too.
We have it for 4 months now and we make sole (http://www.himalayancrystalsalt.com/sole-recipe.html) with it and we use it in the kitchen and we have feel healthy as ever.

It's called Celtic sea salt and I guess that it is just residu salt after drying water from the sea.
One can speculate about other content, dried up in it as well, but since one uses little amounts of it daily... we feel it is perfectly safe to use.

[GoodETxSG]

Hello,
When it comes to protecting your electronics (And nervous system) from EMF/EMP/Solar Flare energy there have been some great threads on these topics on Avalon. I contributed as well as others. You should really take a look at them if you are serious about this topic there is great info on these threads. Also for blocking GPS/RF/Microwave signals for counter surveillance.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44611-Protection-from-EMFs-Electromagnetic-Fields&p=482655&highlight=protect+electronics+solar+flare#post482655

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17095-Does-anyone-know-how-to-protect-electronics-from-a-massive-solar-flare&highlight=protect+electronics+solar+flare

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20609-faraday-cage/page2&highlight=protect+electronics+solar+flare

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17095-Does-anyone-know-how-to-protect-electronics-from-a-massive-solar-flare

[Bill Ryan]

Put on your lifejackets, and connect your safety lines: we're all on this journey together.


http://projectavalon.net/Avalon_sailing_sm.jpg

:)

[GoodETxSG]

There are some SHARP people here on Avalon! This really has been a GREAT thread. TY again BR!

Keep them coming! Bill, from your travels and interviews of interesting people I am sure you have many other topics to share with us. I will stay tuned.
The audience always wants more :o

I am curious if there are any Avalon Member groups that meet in various locations. I think it would be nice to have meetings events with members in our own areas. A round table meeting from time to time. I am not sure if that would be a positive thing or one that would cause problems (Human nature being what it is).
Just a thought… TY Again!

[Samson]

For whatever reason i visited this forum again to find this interesting story and feel i must respond...
What resonated most was " its all carved in stone but theres no date added" combined with the news that the pentagon hired a few thousand extra trolls to devide and destroy the blogs and forums that matter... verdeel verwar en vernietig is how we translate that and im pretty sure we all have some years left to be the change wed like to see on this planet.
Teotwawki is when you decide to be the change.
I think its imporant to know that the end of our casinocapitalism can be delayed till 2015. It might crash earlier but in that year unimaginable sums of money that are in the game in so called derivates have to be paid or repaid ( hard to explain) In total give or take a million Euro's per induvidual on this planet has to come from... the working class hero. That ll be the days that there is no other choice then to reset the system. The only way known to mankind to reset a system is total war.
Opt-out, know the game and stop playing it.
Live, love and enjoy.

[4evrneo]

Would like an opinion from anyone who has read the links already....

My father lives in Colorado springs and Im wondering if being that the source says the retiring alphabet group members are relocating there, Would that mean that Denver and Colo. Springs are a relatively safe place to be?????

Appreciate any input..

[Arrowwind]

Would like an opinion from anyone who has read the links already....

My father lives in Colorado springs and Im wondering if being that the source says the retiring alphabet group members are relocating there, Would that mean that Denver and Colo. Springs are a relatively safe place to be?????

Appreciate any input..

I cant answer that question exactly, just give ideas to consider.
Since this is the general area where the government will be located military defences will be strong throughout,
but military and resource distribution concerns may not be very strong for those residing above ground, only for those in the bunkers in Colorado.
People living on the surface may come to be viewed as threats in general.
on the other hand it could be a designated location as a prime target for anyone who wants to defy the government.
It all depends on what is occuring and the fog is hard to see through and we may not ever know what type of event actually happened after the fact, if indeed we do endure an event of any magnatude.

My understanding is that there are quite a few survivalists of various persusaions in the Colorado Springs area. It probably would benefit him to network and know as many people as possible.

[kreagle]

Please folks, remember that Bill Ryan is the captain of the Avalon forum only. I know he does not want to have anybody here looking to him for answers for their own personal situation.

He is not trying to collect a bunch of co-dependants that won't think for themselves and take personal responsibility for their own lives and situations.

I get this myself from time to time in my own neighbourhood. If I fail to provide for myself and future, not make my own preparations, not even try to grow my own food, what use is whining to Bill in Equador when I am going hungry in Dunedin, New Zealand?

He has said time and again, how he simply took up a consumer grade camcorder and went out and found people to interview. He got off his backside. That is his advice.
Follow the example not the man.

The worst thing of all is there are going to be those who want to blame Bill when he does not come forth with clear instructions of what to do! If you need that then get a bible or something.

He will not be responsible for your failure- you will be. Neither will he take credibility for your success- you will.


HaveBlue,

Very sound advice, my dear friend. I especially like the last two paragraphs of your post. 'Clear instructions,....and.....getting a Bible' definitely belong together. Here is how the Bible records what you say in your final failure/success reference and whose responsibility it is.


Philippians 2:12 (KJV)

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.




Yes, indeed, even the Bible instructs us that it is our 'own responsibility' to act upon the Scriptures and to be 'proactive' in implementing them.


Excellent advice,....and spot on!


Love and Peace,........kreagle

[Chris Gilbert]

Great post Bill!

I've had the same thought about discussions turning into an echo chamber, it can be productive after awhile but eventually becomes the same thing over and over with little of actual value or positive change being accomplished.

I'd like to think that my own efforts, such as Void meditations focused on global controllers and sending healing to key individuals helps to some degree, but it's hard to say. Nevertheless knowing that I'm making an effort beyond just 'talking' eases the weight on my conscience. :\

[ljwheat]

Great post, I often open with this analogy when a person is stuck on the edge of awakening to this realm of spiritual freedom and bliss. . Before they get carried way with this roller coaster of life in the fast lane of information wars of this world.


First imagine or rather remember who you were before you came to this planet as spirit - in that state of spirit everything about you is perfect and complete - nothing to do nothing to learn no race, no class, no ego to build or whats happening in the world.

Coming to planet earth you have to enter a physical vehicle “body”-- but to simplify this analogy further, lets say it’s a car - now that car can only function on the roads on this planet--the engine can only function on the air and fuel of this planet, the brains of the black box that runs this car only work on this planet.

Your still spirit looking at this car that was manufactured for this planet and we have learned that long ago the gods or ET played with the make up of this car,-- to be able to more control the out come and how its used.

As spirit you agreed some where down the line - if you were to spend time on this planet you had to accept one of these Car’s to drive around in while your hear on this planet. Your spirit entered that car under this agreement.

Now is the problem --- of you remembering you are a spirit in a car, most of us forgot this and identify with “I’m the Car” amnesia - and we entered the little black box that is controlling the car that was built to control--who ever enters that box of programed thinking.

St. Paul said -- that there is their fore no more condemnation for those who walk in spirit - I will take that statement one step further, for those who step out of the car you entered at birth and walk - not drive - in spirit will remember who you are as spirit complete and whole still ! ! ! ---- And need nothing from this programed car your driving around.

The PTB, Religions, New Age movements, Kundalini, chokra systems, are all pre installed programs in that black box inside that car your driving around.

The spirit you are before we entered these manufactured pre programmed car’s, until you step away from the vehicle and look back at it as that -- just a vehicle you will not see that your not this car or job or intellect or race you were taught to drive with.

Spirit was not of this world before you chose your car, and you are in it not of it. Just like Christ said long ago. You as spirit are the kingdom of heaven that entered that Car and forgot this simple awareness of I am spirit. “Not this Vehicle”

Using a Car as an analogy works well in our time, as everyone can rap there heads around it. Two thousand years ago the analogy’s were based for that time. Its not an awakening as we are all spirits totally complete, it’s a remembering who we are. Your already complete just remember who you are, and the car you chose caused this amnesia we are driving around in. we are not of it,.


Remember that the Radio in the car is broad casting things of this world and for the most part a lot of us have the volume of this worldly radio up way to fare.

The black box that all car’s come with came from the controller’s and manufactures of this world to control every function of that car you have accepted as being you. You’re the driver in it. Not of it.

Finding ways to use this car against the ones who manufactured it is the quest at hand. it’s the information in that little black box we are fighting. Hence the term Info-Wars came about. Information is what’s keeping everyone lock inside there own car’s driving in endless circles.

All this stuff is designed to keep every one in there car's.

Much love to us all :car: or :fish2: or :plane: but only a ;) spirit in all this mess.

[bearcow]

I like to follow the money (in true Watergate fashion) on these matters to find proof. Earlier this week the head of floor trading operations at the NYSE wrote this in his daily report sent out to UBS traders.

"A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:

In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.

Hopefully, this person is wrong."

Now, since there is rarely and original thought on investments others have crowded into the trade after this announcement. So I am not sure what to make of it.
Is it an investment house taking a flyer on a huge bet that the S--- will hit the fan soon, or something more?


Many thanks. If I may, I'd like to translate this into simple language! :)

There's been a massive "bet" placed -- thousands of times larger then 'normal' -- that the markets will crash round about the end of April.

Times when these kind of huge bets have been placed before include

Just before 9/11.
Just before the time when the B-52 bomber was discovered having flown half way across the US carrying a nuclear cruise missile (http://rense.com/general78/nuks.htm) (a highly significant and anomalous incident which was swiftly covered up).


I would just like to point out that the vix is based on market volatility, which means that overall volume of trading effects it value. with the vix currently at a six year low, this investor is actually making a relatively conservative play. As long as 11 million is not a lot of money to them/he/she/it.

an 11 million investment is not any significant amount of money for the elite to shift the balance of power in their favor.

http://www.minyanville.com/trading-and-investing/etfs/articles/Volatility-Sits-at-Six-Year-Lows/2/7/2013/id/47968?camp=syndication&medium=portals&from=yahoo

This means that the s&p 500 could go up, down or stay relativity stable for this investor to make money, so as long as the volume of trading starts to increase.

This does not necessarily mean the investor in question is betting on the stock market to tank.

[jagman]

Dont kid yourselves. The only thing holding this house of cards together is? "Quantitative Easing"! My Definition: The ability to print funny money (Billions of dollars, That's not backed by anything!) When China makes the move away from the dollar it's game over!

[Arrowwind]

So does anyone think that its a good time to purchase silver at $31.45 US today? Im thinking I should get some more but I freeze at the price considering I paid under 18 a few years ago.

[Arrowwind]

Dont kid yourselves. The only thing holding this house of cards together is? "Quantitative Easing"! My Definition: The ability to print funny money (Billions of dollars, That's not backed by anything!) When China makes the move away from the dollar it's game over!

Short of purchasing metals and survivial gear what else should one do with their money? Investment is still paying for us. I havent' been able to get DH to move out of it but all has gone well so far even in 2008, although we didnt make much that year.

If I had a lot of money I think I'd just give it away or buy people's homes for them.

[Ilie Pandia]

I like to follow the money (in true Watergate fashion) on these matters to find proof. Earlier this week the head of floor trading operations at the NYSE wrote this in his daily report sent out to UBS traders.

"A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:

In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.

Hopefully, this person is wrong."

Now, since there is rarely and original thought on investments others have crowded into the trade after this announcement. So I am not sure what to make of it.
Is it an investment house taking a flyer on a huge bet that the S--- will hit the fan soon, or something more?


Many thanks. If I may, I'd like to translate this into simple language! :)

There's been a massive "bet" placed -- thousands of times larger then 'normal' -- that the markets will crash round about the end of April.

Times when these kind of huge bets have been placed before include

Just before 9/11.
Just before the time when the B-52 bomber was discovered having flown half way across the US carrying a nuclear cruise missile (http://rense.com/general78/nuks.htm) (a highly significant and anomalous incident which was swiftly covered up).


I understand that there are other indicators of something happening around April-March, but $11 million does not seem like a big enough sum (for Wall-street anyway) to indicate something.

Another thing I don't get is why would you make any kind of financial bet in market that you know is about to crash? I'd rather buy land or tangible resources then hold any kind of paper assets, even if those paper assets say I was correct in my predictions. Who will pay me?

[ljwheat]

If fake moneys go south, then fake deeds, fake ownership of stuff will all go south.

The indigenes people of the world never understood the European’s right to own anything, how can you own something you are using from nature, when you let go of its being used everything go’s back to Nature.

A deed is only an agreement to said usage of that you hold, just like money its fake from the start. In reality we own nothing, we use what we hold, the minute you let go of it, its back to being what it started out as neutral it was never yours or mine its of its own till you use it.

So this whole system is based on fake agreements of fake ownership. The minute one go’s south it all go’s south back to being neutral material.

Everything in so called society is built on fake paper promises held in banks and at the county seat. When the agreement of a thing between two or more is gone, your back to the cloths on your back, very fragile are promises of paper manufactured from a tree and Nature. And NOW its going back were it came from. Out of some one’s imagination “ here take this shell for a bit of food its worth something should you need protection from me in the future.” its all based on mutual trust and agreement of something that came out of the ground or Nature to barter with the gull able at first now its Gospel and like gospel it can go away. So I would say its time to go back to nature -- hunt and gather for your needs, and let this society eat there fake paper in all its forms. Wako Texas tried this living off the grid and paid the ultimate price for doing so.

So now its global you say, civilization is killing us all, and has taught us how not to hunt and gather for our own needs.

[mgray]

I like to follow the money (in true Watergate fashion) on these matters to find proof. Earlier this week the head of floor trading operations at the NYSE wrote this in his daily report sent out to UBS traders.

"A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:

In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.

Hopefully, this person is wrong."

Now, since there is rarely and original thought on investments others have crowded into the trade after this announcement. So I am not sure what to make of it.
Is it an investment house taking a flyer on a huge bet that the S--- will hit the fan soon, or something more?


Many thanks. If I may, I'd like to translate this into simple language! :)

There's been a massive "bet" placed -- thousands of times larger then 'normal' -- that the markets will crash round about the end of April.

Times when these kind of huge bets have been placed before include

Just before 9/11.
Just before the time when the B-52 bomber was discovered having flown half way across the US carrying a nuclear cruise missile (http://rense.com/general78/nuks.htm) (a highly significant and anomalous incident which was swiftly covered up).


I understand that there are other indicators of something happening around April-March, but $11 million does not seem like a big enough sum (for Wall-street anyway) to indicate something.

Another thing I don't get is why would you make any kind of financial bet in market that you know is about to crash? I'd rather buy land or tangible resources then hold any kind of paper assets, even if those paper assets say I was correct in my predictions. Who will pay me?

This $11 million bet is surely leveraged, which means payoff could be 10-100 times the derivative bet.
Yes the VIX measures volatility in the market. More equity sellers would increase the VIX making this a winning bet.
The line in the story that struck me:
It then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.
I don't doubt there will be a greenback (US dollar) circulating this summer, but its buying power may be much less.
As pointed out earlier there allegedly have been huge market bets that in hindsight look very curious.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

NO POWER REQUIRED, you will eat, drink, and stay warm/drink hot stuff

Harvest in 3/4/5 days, fresh, no light required, no garden required, just water, buy sprouting seeds, some containers and of you go.

I LIKE SPROUTS, they are juicy, fresh full of life and amazing.

WHY, its cheap, better then cooking your food beyond all recognition and kill it, seeds store compact and will grow multiple times their own size and weight, and its EEEEASY.

What is a seed in this context, everything that lives in a hull and can be purchased dried and in a bag, you now, like your grandma did in the old days.

brown beans, white beans, brown rice, chickpeas, alfalfa, lentils in all shapes and sizes, corn, wheat, mungbeans, adzukibeans, all of these and then some you can sprout, using nothing but a jar with some holes in them for drainage, a bag, some fancy sprouting gear is also available but not a requirement at all, just a jar or a few of them will do just fine.

In the lid are some lentils ( about two tablespoons) that is the before picture if you will. Next to it is a jarlid i poked some holes in for drainage and that works just fine.

In the bowl is the result of five days of sprouting( about a day too long, i forgot they were in their jar, how cruel of me).

Image under here.

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So, get sprouting i say, on that very small countertop you see, let me count.......ok 9 bags of beans, wheat, lentils, peas and what not this costs about 15 bucks............. when sprouted these nine bags will fill up your bathtub about 6 times completely...........with 1th grade healthy food. So sprout.


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Food prep, STOVES ( these are very small and portable and for biomass/alcohol/esbit/hexamine)

Besides burning biomass, which is FREE, these stoves also can be used with solid fuel like Esbit, hexamine and or alcohol.

I have been looking into these stoves for a while now, i recently finally got my biolite stove, but it is a bit bulky in my pack and it only burns biomass, biomass fuel is great but not when you are indoors and how much wood can one stack up in an apartment eh?

So here are the four foldable stoves that caught my attention and no this is not a commercial from my part, tghey are great for camping and as emergency stoves just in case the power goes down in a scenario nobody wants to experience.

You can build each and every one of these yourself for cheap or decide not to invent the wheel again and look into one of these stoves( unless you come up with a far better wheel that is)

So the four stoves i checked out and they seemed to be working pretty well are:

1. THE FIREBOX http://foldingfirebox.com/

2. THE EMBERLIT http://www.emberlit.com/

3. VARGO HEXAGON http://vargooutdoors.com/

4. THE HONEY STOVE http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/product397.asp



Water filtration 1 million litres

Thats what it says on the box. Freezeframe the vid and you can see it, the website also specifies it, they have different options from 0.10 micron to 0.02 micron versions the latter one is a bit more expensive but filters a lot better and is still cheaper than the Katadyn, something you might want to look in to.

www.sawyer.com/tech-water.html

FYI, the sawyer squeeze.



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and

Sawyer 4 Liter Complete Water Purification System


A complete 4-Liter system that removes Viruses, Bacteria, and Protozoa in as little as 15 minutes. Includes: a 4-Liter Nylon Dirty Water Dispenser, a 4-Liter Nylon Clean Water Storage Vessel with High Flow Dispensing Cap, a 0.02 Micron Absolute Inline Water Purifier, Faucet Adapter, Drink Tube, Cleaning and Maintenance Instructions. BPA Free. Weight: 20 ounces. Life Expectancy: 1 Million Gallons Guaranteed. Thats almost 3.8 million liters.

And please o please, check out Ron Mauers website, its very very extensive and covers almost everything you need or can encounter.

[Malerogro]

I’m the Car” amnesia
This metaphor of the spirit and the car will stay with me, thanks! It is easy to visualize and therefore useful to remind yourself of who you really are; namely as separate from the car, yet having a responsibility in driving it and take back control. Otherwise the car will drive you on autopilot ;)

[Alan]

Not sure if this was mentioned already, but if you are on (essential) meds, look into getting an emergency supply if possible. If you need a life saving med like insulin, I have no idea what your options would be if a catastrophe went beyond a few months. Unfortunately I'm currently on a couple meds, I'm going to see if my pharmacies will let me do this (I have a feeling the insurance companies won't pay for this).

[ljwheat]

I’m the Car” amnesia
This metaphor of the spirit and the car will stay with me, thanks! It is easy to visualize and therefore useful to remind yourself of who you really are; namely as separate from the car, yet having a responsibility in driving it and take back control. Otherwise the car will drive you on autopilot ;)

Thank you Malerogro, that’s exactly what I was going for an easy way to stay centered in spirit.

Avatar the Movie was another analogy I like to use too. If Jake’s Avatar die’s he just wakes up in his real spiritual container, and yet that container is yet another fail safe, falling back to spirit the driver of even that vehicle too.

So regardless what our avatar is or will face - staying fearless with this knowledge the real you is safe. And eternal. Protecting the avatar from physical harm is now and has always been what the elite have used against our free spirit, jumping on a grenade to save a group of your buddy’s is a good example of selfless love knowing everything is OK with the world as it is.

But the people still hung up on I’m the vehicle need to remember who they are to escape that fear of loosing the avatar. And putting all there trust in there next safe breath.?

[Malerogro]

We can't just be consumers of interesting information, as if we're watching the ultimate reality show. We have to act, to take responsibility, to do stuff. Don't just watch.

Some of you will have a mission to inform others, and that's understood. But if we're ALL just informing one another, and doing nothing, the incestuousness becomes futile and of little use.

It has been an interesting thread so far, with a wealth of solid information. Personally, the quoted spoke loud and clear to me most of all. I have been training myself to become conscious about how I take on the information I come across and I try to do it from an increasingly active standpont. Also when you are not acting on the information immediately I think it is important to actively watch and digest it instead of passively consume it. I love how the word consume can go both ways, and it probably always does go both ways. If you consume something there is always the lurking danger of being consumed by it. This sort of alignes also with the spirit/car metaphor from ljwheat: if you are not aware of being a spirit driving the car, the car will drive you.
The point is that we have to critically and intuïtively have to reflect on how we positon ourselves to the information we digest and how it will contribute to our spirtual and planetary development. If there is no real contribution, or when there are no meaningful actions tied to it, then what is the point?
Furthermore, as has become clear through this thread, there is no time to waste. So from now on I am going to try to become more selective in the information I seek out and the criteria (along with trustworthiness of course) will become whether I will be able to do something with it today.

[norman]

We can't just be consumers of interesting information, as if we're watching the ultimate reality show. We have to act, to take responsibility, to do stuff. Don't just watch.

Some of you will have a mission to inform others, and that's understood. But if we're ALL just informing one another, and doing nothing, the incestuousness becomes futile and of little use.It has been an interesting thread so far, with a wealth of solid information. Personally, the quoted spoke loud and clear to me most of all. I have been training myself to become conscious about how I take on the infromation I come across and I try to do it from an increasingly active standpont. Also when you are not acting on the information immediately I think it is important to actively watch and digest it instead of passively consume it. I love how the word consume can go both ways, and it probably always does go both ways. If you consume something there is always the lurking danger of being consumed by it. This sort of alignes also with the spirit/car metaphor from ljwheat: if you are not aware of being a spirit driving the car, the car will drive you.
The point is that we have to critically and intuïtively have to reflect on how we positon ourselves to the information we digest and how it will contribute to our spirtual and planetary development. If there is no real contribution, or when there are no meaningful actions tied to it, then what is the point?
Furthermore, as has become clear through this thread, there is no time to waste. So from now on I am going to try to become more selective in the information I seek out and the criteria (along with trustworthiness of course) will become whether I will be able to do something with it today.

Atticus/Charles said the alternative scene is just another genre within the entertainment industry.

He singled out 2 people from all of it who he felt were the real deal.

[ not that I believe him, or course ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpi3g_SiqgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpi3g_SiqgE

[Hervé]

[...]

[ not that I believe him, or course ]

[...]
]

Then why post it when it is known that he was sent out with Bill Ryan as a target to take him and Project Avalon down?

[norman]

[ not that I believe him, or course ]

Then why post it when it is known that he was sent out with Bill Ryan as a target to take him and Project Avalon down?

I don't know about you, but I read quite a lot between the lines from that interview.

[Hervé]

Then why post it when it is known that he was sent out with Bill Ryan as a target to take him and Project Avalon down?


I don't know about you, but I read quite a lot between the lines from that interview.

Then it is all assumptions compared to admitted facts.

[norman]

Then it is all assumptions compared to admitted facts.
Correct !............ like most of everything going around here. [ with the exception of first hand testimony and very rare hard documentation ]

[Camilo]

Thanks for this thread Bill. We all must certainly be on our toes from here on, as they may strike anytime now from where we least expect it, or from many fronts simultaneously.

[Referee]

Thank you bill will be studying this thread for a few days. We all appreciate your due diligence!


PS. IMO SERCO is most likely involved!

[Malerogro]

Correct !............ like most of everything going around here. [ with the exception of first hand testimony and very rare hard documentation ]

Question for Norman: Then how do you personally find your way through all the assumptions out here? Did you find some kind of truth here or do you just like to swimm in a sea of assumptions? :p

In any case, it is a great time for me to be reminded of the Atticus hstory since that is where I started out in my search for truth which was very confusing and therefore a hard but rich learning experience. Listening to him after a year of intense truth seeking on all levels, he sounds now like he is not even taking himself seriously in this interview. The original interview was much more loaded, there was more behind it, and it was therefore much harder to read him as I remember. I should go back to the original maybe because it was a long time ago and a very different stage in my search for truth..

[norman]

Question for Norman: Then how do you personally find your way through all the assumptions out here? Did you find some kind of truth here or do you just like to swimm in a sea of assumptons?

In any case, it is a great time for me to be reminded of the Atticus hstory since that is where I started out in my search for truth which was very confusing and therefore a hard but rich learning experience. Listening to him after a year of intense truth seeking on all levels, he sounds now like he is not even taking himself seriously in this interview. The original interview was much more loaded, there was more behind it, and it was therefore much harder to read him as I remember. I should go back to the original maybe because it was a long time ago and a very different stage in my search for truth..

That's probably the main thing I got from it too.

I also gained a little insight from his astute observations of things.

As for the getting something done in time for the next errr...what was it 40 years or was it 200 years, I don't have a clue what he was on about, maybe Bill does, and he'd like to enlighten us.


I'm stunningly aware of the fact that once Bill made his decision to move on after Charles, Bill grabbed an opportunity to 'head for the hills', and has "preached" nothing else since.

.....[ and it's 2 ! years, actually ]

[Patrikas]

Well, all right...

... what about a False Flag EMP?

Something generated by this kind of device and simultaneously all over an area (from: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/24/today-we-turned-science-fiction-into-science-fact-latest-on-the-new-missile-that-can-fry-electronics/):


‘Today We Turned Science Fiction Into Science Fact’: Latest on the New Missile That Can Fry Electronics
Oct. 24, 2012 9:26am Liz Klimas (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/author/elizabeth.klimas)

Boeing has completed another successful test for technology that fries enemy electronics with little to no collateral damage to other objects. This news comes a little more than a year after TheBlaze reported on Boeing’s previous successes (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/non-lethal-missile-neutralizes-enemy-electronics/) with its Counter-electronics High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP).

...

This is an article written by jim stone well over a year ago .....it deals with power grid tampering as in having seperate zones instead of the national grid as one grid as it is or was
...but also it goes on to other relevent subjects like the stuxnet virus and nuclear power stations and frequency tampering with the grid and senarios that could play out as a result
......i was wondering just how this might fit together if at all
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/grid.html

.............cheers

[turiya]

Cyber War Against Alternative Media Underway? Cyber Attacks Spread to KWN
February 8, 2013 By The Doc 31 Comments

Image at: http://sgtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screen-Shot-2013-02-08-at-8.29.20-AM.png

KWN malware

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Cyber malware attacks targeting alternative news sites such as SGTReport and BeforeItsNews have spread to KWN today, with multiple reports that visiting the KWN website has resulted in the user’s system immediately receiving a trojan virus resulting in Blue Screen of Death.

It appears that sites linking into KWN are also being targeted/ black flagged by search engines. We encourage our readers to avoid visiting KWN or linking their site until their systems have been restored.

Has Obama’s new Cyber security team been getting to work shutting down the alternative media?

SD reader X, who states he is an IT professional reports that the malware attack is very real:

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Before leaving work this morning.
At 5:45 AM MST – googled King World news – saw the warning.
Then used Yahoo, – no warning
Used IE to open KWN as usual
Within seconds, had a re-direct video downloaded then the Blue Screen of Death on Windows 7 Enterprise running the latest version of Microsoft Defender and Malware Bytes that had a full scan last Saturday.
This automatically restarts the computer.
Can log in – choose profile, supply password - immediate BSOD and reboot
Log in a Safe Mode with networking
Got the lastest download from Malware Bytes – ran quick scan
Identified a Trogan – removed and rebooted as requested.
Had to leave for work. Won’t be able to check until later.

I am a IT person. My last full backup to external drives were last Sunday night.
This has never happened to me before.
It is very real.

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KWN malware

Source: http://www.silverdoctors.com/cyber-war-against-alternative-media-underway-cyber-attacks-spread-to-kwn/

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[ Mod-edit: I indented the portion that I figure was quoted from the link. - Paul . ]

[ThePythonicCow]

Cyber malware attacks targeting alternative news sites such as SGTReport and BeforeItsNews have spread to KWN today, with multiple reports that visiting the KWN website has resulted in the user’s system immediately receiving a trojan virus resulting in Blue Screen of Death.
Who's doing it, and why, is not clear (to me at least.)

In particular, we do not know if this is an attack directed at alternative news sites, or problems with malware that happens to show up on a few such sites, amongst others, nor do we know the direction or intent of these attacks. Without more details on the SGTReport and BeforeItsNews attacks they refer to, we don't even know if those sites were attacked, nor if by the same means, nor if by the same attackers, nor if with the same intention, whatever that was.

[Ilie Pandia]

I just want to confirm that the KWN website is indeed running malware. I have no idea if they are aware of this or not.

I've tested Firefox, Google Chrome and Internet Explorer 9.

Firefox and Chrome warn you about the problem, but if you still go ahead, nothing happens, normal webpage loads. (Likely, but not surely this malware is not working in those browsers. Don't bet on it though!)

Internet Explorer will not warn you of the malware problem, and it will also NOT load the page but redirect you to some weird video pages that are likely to infect your computer. The malware page uses Java (and probably other technologies as well) so the page you are seeing is not what it seems to be, even if it's looking like an Youtube page (in my case).

I've discontinued the test at this point. I strongly advise you not to load their pages at this time unless you know what you are doing :).

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@Paul, if someone manages to install a piece of malware on your website, Google and Firefox will notice very fast and warn their users about it. The traffic (and hence power) of your website will drop almost instantly. It's a pretty effective way to disrupt a website, but you need to find a way to hack it first.

[ThePythonicCow]

@Paul, if someone manages to install a piece of malware on your website, Google and Firefox will notice very fast and warn their users about it. The traffic (and hence power) of your website will drop almost instantly. It's a pretty effective way to disrupt a website, but you need to find a way to hack it first.
I'm sure you're right on that one.

I still don't see how we can know (1) what happened to SGTReport and BeforeItsNews, (2) who's behind or with what purpose this hacking of KingWorldNews, and (3) if there is any relation between (1) and (2).

This might well be an attack on alternative news sites, by some minion of the bastards in power.

Or it might not be such; just portrayed as such for some equally nefarious purpose.

[Operator]

Don't worry, there will be plenty of stuff laying around after the big one, whatever it may be.

My thoughts exactly!
Don't complain about what you don't have but work with the stuff that you DO have! There will be enough abandoned material around.


Not sure if this was mentioned already, but if you are on (essential) meds, look into getting an
emergency supply if possible. If you need a life saving med like insulin, I have no idea what your options would be if
a catastrophe went beyond a few months.
Unfortunately I'm currently on a couple meds, I'm going to see if my pharmacies will let me do this (I have a feeling
the insurance companies won't pay for this).

Good point. I am on daily meds too and I normally get a 3 months supply.
I am currently working on it to get rid of them, especially for this reason. But I am
not there yet.

I've also quit drinking coffee ... better get rid of it in easier times
than when TSHTF. You will then have plenty other things to focus on.


Great thread, very interesting. One thing that no one has mentioned is communication.
This will be one of the key requirements in the post-whatever-it-is-that-is-supposed-to-happen event.


I did mention it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55445-Essential-reading-for-all-Avalonians&p=632363&viewfull=1#post632363).

I think that computers and HAM radio may play a vital role building an alternative grid based on packet radio (X.25).



Fuses are prevalent, yes.

But they do not always protect from high voltage, broad spectrum frequency spikes.


A fuse can only protect against currents passing a threshold. And they only protect where they
are placed from input to output. When an EMP occurs there will be currents all over circuit boards. Our micro electronics have become
so delicate that even tiny currents can be too much and will blow out transistors and other integrated circuits.

[gripreaper]

In any case, it is a great time for me to be reminded of the Atticus history since that is where I started out in my search for truth which was very confusing and therefore a hard but rich learning experience. Listening to him after a year of intense truth seeking on all levels, he sounds now like he is not even taking himself seriously in this interview. The original interview was much more loaded, there was more behind it, and it was therefore much harder to read him as I remember. I should go back to the original maybe because it was a long time ago and a very different stage in my search for truth..

That's probably the main thing I got from it too. I also gained a little insight from his astute observations of things. As for the getting something done in time for the next errr...what was it 40 years or was it 200 years, I don't have a clue what he was on about, maybe Bill does, and he'd like to enlighten us. I'm stunningly aware of the fact that once Bill made his decision to move on after Charles, Bill grabbed an opportunity to 'head for the hills', and has "preached" nothing else since.

.....[ and it's 2 ! years, actually ]

This is true, from what I can tell, although I think Bill's decision to move to Ecuador entailed many more variables, many of them personal. But, this little side bar here has left me with some ideas and maybe it is time to segue this into another thread, or maybe not.

What keeps ruminating in my mind, is the antidote to this nefarious agenda being spoken about in this thread: The questions, or observations, if you will, are such:

Is there a balanced force in opposition to this nefarious agenda, since all things at this density on planet earth, in duality, hold both polarities, and are we focusing on one polarity to the exclusion of another?

Is this counter force part of the initial elite bloodlines who are in opposition to the agenda, for lack of a better tag name, the St Germaine line? Does this go all the way back to Enlil and Enki having opposing views of how to deal with their creation of the chimeric hybrid slave race which they created and we are all part of?

Did this alleged St Germain (this could just be an archetype, or a real person), actually show back in the 1700's that time is not linear, as we view it that way, but is in fact spherical, and jumping timelines is not uncommon amongst adepts?

Does an alliance actually exist, which is powerful enough, and holds the best interests of mankind, the original indigenous species of planet earth, having been hybridized and spliced with both? So, there is the elite with a nefarious agenda, as well as those with a benevolent agenda?

If there is a group of benevolent elites who go way back, then they are more secret than the arrogant psychopathic elites. But, what is even more interesting, is the idea of jumping time (think looking glass, Philadelphia experiment, etc.), is it not possible that there are ancients incarnated here on this planet now, who are adept and can manipulate the source field and produce a balanced outcome? Are they not to do so without an agreement from at least the 12% remnants?

What about the middle way? Is that just a personal meditative practice and how much effect does it have on the outcome? I'm fairly convinced it can, if rallied to a collective level, at least to the point of a remnant. What percentage that is, historically, is about 12%. The Grand Sophia, the source field is mostly made of space, and holds all the power of the universe, and we have access to it, and we keep focusing on the 5% which is manifest, stuck in the physical, when we have the power to be so much more if we change our focus.

I did just listen to this 40 minute video posted by Norman, with Atticus. Not shooting the messenger, but he did make a couple key points: the alternative media is just a genre, in commerce, and it is, for the most part, no different than any other enterprise in commerce.

There are very few who are able to escape the hive mind and the massive social programming we have been fully imbedded with for decades, and he likened it to trying to find 3% out of 3000 people here at Avalon who were capable of this. We are all subject to it and fall into it and are blinded by it at times, no matter how awake we are.

The disinformation is rampant, and more so in the last several years. Whistle blowers don't come out much anymore because the reception is atrocious, even by the supposed awake alternative media. Avalon was the only alternative site which had a rather civil, awake, and aware bunch.

My own take, is that Avalon has been inundated with disinformation, and has been totally distracted by such, for long periods, and we have proven in this regard, to be no different than other alternative media sites, or the collective hive mind. We are not that special. We could be, but it will require a level of discernment which goes beyond anything we have been used to up to now.

That is the main takeaway, for me, in the last few months, as the roll-out of the new toys the nefarious elites are now using has been demonstrated, that we need to up our game and be more discerning. I'm sure that is what this call by Bill is all about, to take what just happened here at Avalon, and in the last two years, and rise up and above the rest of the alternative community and be that remnant.

Wouldn't that be awesome?

[Operator]

If you want to get practical on alternative communication check this out:

http://theoriginalpreppernetworks.com/APRN/APRN_blog/

http://3950.net/

Both websites give more info about how and when to listen on short wave to so called HAM radio nets.
There are probably a lot more but you can use this to get quick a start.

Here are some examples of what you can also receive on 80 meters SW (LSB):

http://liberty.3950.net/Survival%20Net%202013-0127%203983%20kHz%20via%20SDR.mp3
http://liberty.3950.net/Survival%20Net%202013-0127%203983%20kHz%20via%20SDR.mp3

http://liberty.3950.net/Liberty%20Net%202013-0202%203983%20kHz%20via%20SDR.mp3
http://liberty.3950.net/Liberty%20Net%202013-0202%203983%20kHz%20via%20SDR.mp3

Maybe we will have an Avalon NET in the future ... :p

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All --

I've just moved 45 posts -- about EMPs, solar flares, and how to protect electronics -- to the following separate thread:

Does anyone know how to protect electronics from a massive solar flare? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17095-Does-anyone-know-how-to-protect-electronics-from-a-massive-solar-flare)

I also took the opportunity to merge another thread on the same topic (entitled Faraday Cage?) to the more major one above.

All the posts on EMPs and solar flares were valuable and to the point. But as the main topic of this thread was what the USG/DHS may be planning for us (and how, and when?), I decided to move the separate items to a separate area. I do encourage that discussion to continue!

Of interest may be that I appreciated Operator's post here, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55445-Essential-reading-for-all-Avalonians&p=632024&viewfull=1#post632024) which really made me think. He raised the question -- which I had not considered -- about whether the timing of the roll-out of the planned chaos in America might be linked to an anticipated major solar event (the exact timing of which may not be known except generally).

Regarding the collapse of the economy as a kind of controlled demolition -- an analogy I have often used -- the 'DEMOLISH' button might be pressed as soon as the solar event manifests.

In that scenario, the chaos would be extreme and would certainly justify the deployment of all the currently existing martial law provisions.

* For an account of those provisions -- please read this. This should also be added to the essential reading list -- starting at the top of page 5, as this was originally written in 2004.

http://projectavalon.net/Protocols_For_Economic_Collapse_In_America.pdf

[ThePythonicCow]

And I just moved one more post to When I opened this thread my virus scanner kicked in (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55561-when-I-opened-this-thread-my-virus-scanner-kicked-in) :).

[Christine]

There are very few who are able to escape the hive mind and the massive social programming we have been fully imbedded with for decades, and he likened it to trying to find 3% out of 3000 people here at Avalon who were capable of this. We are all subject to it and fall into it and are blinded by it at times, no matter how awake we are.

The disinformation is rampant, and more so in the last several years. Whistle blowers don't come out much anymore because the reception is atrocious, even by the supposed awake alternative media. Avalon was the only alternative site which had a rather civil, awake, and aware bunch.

My own take, is that Avalon has been inundated with disinformation, and has been totally distracted by such, for long periods, and we have proven in this regard, to be no different than other alternative media sites, or the collective hive mind. We are not that special. We could be, but it will require a level of discernment which goes beyond anything we have been used to up to now.

That is the main takeaway, for me, in the last few months, as the roll-out of the new toys the nefarious elites are now using has been demonstrated, that we need to up our game and be more discerning. I'm sure that is what this call by Bill is all about, to take what just happened here at Avalon, and in the last two years, and rise up and above the rest of the alternative community and be that remnant.

Wouldn't that be awesome?

I would say that is why we are here on Avalon. This forum is a great repository of information that should be respected for the service it is providing.

We are now in the process and have obtained the ability to begin the dot connecting process toward expanded awareness and understanding. We can and do have the ability to make changes on levels previously hidden from our view.

From Credo Mutwa:


Human beings have never known any real progress, sir, because there have been forces that have been stopping us from reaching our rightful position in the universe, and I mean the Chitauli, I mean the Mantindane, I mean the Midzimu. We must stop regarding these creatures as super-human creatures. They are just parasites who need us more than we need them. And only a fool will ever deny the fact that we are not the only intelligent species of being that this planet has produced.

I have been actively pursuing the lines of energy, specifically since our last round of "attacks". It is becoming increasingly apparent that without our minds they are devoid of creative life. It is a parasitical bordering on symbiotic relationship, the interface with humans.

[WEAREONE]

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/News020913-cme.html


CME reported from NASA today. 2/9/13



Earth-Directed CME Released by Long Duration Solar Flare02.09.13

[Patrikas]

Here is a recent article from Jim Stone with regards to the censoring that has been going on with his site..,

in particular suppression to his email which is a major contribution to his "communication" to his many sources

According to him he tracked this to its source (4vbl.org) and his info is interesting to say the least and has a great deal to do with controlling Truth Movement which is again about controlling "communication "

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/spookystuff.html

[Arrowwind]

Here is a recent article from Jim Stone with regards to the censoring that has been going on with his site..,

in particular suppression to his email which is a major contribution to his "communication" to his many sources

According to him he tracked this to its source (4vbl.org) and his info is interesting to say the least and has a great deal to do with controlling Truth Movement which is again about controlling "communication "

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/spookystuff.html

This thread has to do in part with the new legalization of US using propaganda and infiltrating communicaitons.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55552-NDAA-2013-Lawsuit-Pentagon-Whistlerblower-Daniel-Ellsberg&p=633062#post633062

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

8 February 2013: Doug Hagmann appeared as a guest on TruNews with Rick Wiles today for a hour-long interview that covered information from the DHS insider in more detail. Rick adds his analysis and commentary about the information provided, and discussion about the objectives of the Obama regime ensues.

It is an information packed program.

http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm

[Fractalius]

Ok for example only.... a solar flare false flag attack in which the flare is used to explain the vaporising of funds in accounts (as spoken of in audio interview with V and Dan Hagmann included in Bills opening post).

Would this not make people dislike digital currency and transactions and work against it being embraced in a 'rebuild'?

[Arrowwind]

Ok for example only.... a solar flare false flag attack in which the flare is used to explain the vaporising of funds in accounts (as spoken of in audio interview with V and Dan Hagmann included in Bills opening post).

Would this not make people dislike digital currency and transactions and work against it being embraced in a 'rebuild'?

Absolutly. I dont see solar flares as false flag potential except to maybe take out some stuff that the fare didnt really do, or to possibly impose martial law in affected areas.
The government is as afraid of them as anybody.

How can we track solar flars here on Avalon so we can know when a big one is coming? They say it takes 3 days for one to get here right? thats a fair warning for preppers I would hope. Is there a way we can have them posted sort of like how we do for earthquakes.. Id prefer just to have signficant ones posted with detail on where they are suppose to impact on the planet.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

the sun is a giant nuclear reactor.
it may give off a cherenkov shower before delivering a blast.
people, animals, and devices like icecube neutrino observatory can detect gamma bursts like these and the ones generated by nuclear bombs.

you are familiar with the film Watchmen? the one scientist, what was his name, Dr. Manhattan? he can sense a "tachyon storm" and this knowledge powers his eccentric and amazing research into energy......


there is also speculation that a device like HAARP, an ionospheric heater, could expand or shrink the atmosphere in order to influence the severity of a blast.
keep in mind that the govt also sprays metal particulate in polar regions at high altitude and we cannot know for sure how this and HAARP could influence the response of the high atmosphere to a major flare.

over and out!

~tesla s

[Samson]

ones i tried to gather 100 avalonians to get of grid. A really huge peace of land in Norway that was previously 'used' for disabled people as a holidaycamp was'nt used for several years, and the government was on a giveaway for not lettin 60 buildings and many kilometers of suitable for wheelchairs forest goin to waist. It took months to find 100 people to go selfsufficient. Ones i was sure i had found enough soulmates to succeed the land was - the day i called- given to a horsebreeder.... there is so much more to tell, but i havent been here for over a year. But within the hour Bill wrote this thread i read it. A soulmate. I see what is coming. And eversince i got offline i tell what will happen before it happens. For those who cant see it might be scary. For me its clear... i saw friends get pregnant before they got laid and people 'explode'. before they knew they where angry.
If your understanding of language is fonetic... bill and carry sound somewhat different. What i understand is that there will be trolls and rumours everywhere online because the pentagon hired 3000 more whizzkids to do so. I was aware and awake since the 80's, born in 1970 and i am sure we have 2 more years to get things done. 2015 june will be the month the derivate trillions crumble and loafs of bread will coast... 1000 euros and within months millions.
What it takes to live without money is to grow seeds. Get your garden together Now, youll have 2 years to learn to live from it.
june 2015 it is carved in derivates.
live love and enjoy

[Referee]

There was a very large short stock option trade placed against the US Economy here are the details:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=269003

[Taurean]

Can't help thinking this "Trade" is designed to attract attention ?


There was a very large short stock option trade placed against the US Economy here are the details:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=269003

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/acz3.jpg

[QUOTE]Venezuela’s “nuclear option” crashing of its currency yesterday is a “clear signal” that the Western banking systems “house of cards”, erected in the aftermath of the 2007-2008 Global Economic Crisis, is in “total collapse” with the expected final outcome to be an “apocalyptic” crash of the US economy no later than April.

According to this MOF report, and what US financial experts described as “what lobbing a nuclear bomb into a currency war knife fight looks like”, Venezuela devalued its currency by an astounding 46% in the latest round of what is being described as the worst currency war our world has seen since the 1930’s, and which plunged the globe into total warfare.

Currency war, (World War C) also known as competitive devaluation, is a condition in international affairs where countries compete against each other to achieve a relatively low exchange rate for their own currency. As the price to buy a particular currency falls so too does the real price of exports from the country.

Imports become more expensive. So domestic industry, and thus employment, receives a boost in demand from both domestic and foreign markets.

However, the price increase for imports can harm citizens' purchasing power. The policy can also trigger retaliatory action by other countries which in turn can lead to a general decline in international trade, harming all countries.

Brazilian Finance Minister Guido Mantega, widely credited with coining the term “currency war”, further warned yesterday that the global situation could get even worse if Europe joins the fray, and which this MOF report warns the will have to do in the “very near future.”

Chris Richey, a top American financial analyst, further stated that as we have yet to enter a full-fledged war because the European Central Bank (ECB) and Bank of England (BOE) are not (yet) engaged in purposeful currency devaluation. Rather, since 2009, each has been pre-occupied with either saving their currency (the ECB) or saving their banking system (the BoE). The relative value of their respective currencies has not featured high on their list of priorities over the past four years.

Not so, however, Richey says, for the US Federal Reserve, the Swiss National Bank, the Bank of Japan, the Central Bank of Brazil, and the People's Bank of China, all of whom have been very interested in the relative valuation of their currencies. And this is a list that matters because three of the top five global currencies are represented on that list and all of them have been engaged in competitive devaluations of their currency in order to promote their own exports.

This form of international contest, he continues, should strike those with a sense of history as similar to the trade and tariff wars of the Depression Era 1930's: “beggaring thy neighbor” in order to extract one's own country from economic straits. In the 1930's, the “beggaring” took the form of either abandoning the gold standard, literally blocking the importation of foreign goods, or imposing tariffs so high that imports were effectively blocked.

This time around, he warns, there are no gold standards to abandon and international trade rules have become too ingrained, both economically and legally, for onerous tariffs or outright bans to be practical or legal. Thus, the only economic weapon left is that of currency devaluation.

Tensions were ratcheted up a couple notches with the recent election of Shinzo Abe as Japan's Prime Minister this past December. As a candidate, Abe explicitly and repeatedly promised to double Japan's inflation rate target from 1% to 2% via increased central government money printing, borrowing, and spending.

And while the Bank of Japan has pushed back against Mr. Abe's proposals, we have still seen the Yen depreciate 25% against the Euro and 10% against the US Dollar since last July. In short, Japan is “all in” on making the Yen weaker and, thus, boosting Japan's exporting companies.

Even worse, this MOF report says, with the US Federal Reserve admitting this past week that it has bought up more government debt than the US Treasury has issued (because no one else is buying it), and with China now accounting for nearly half of the world’s new money supply, the Baltic Dry Index (BDI) of international trade has totally collapsed to levels not seen since the start of the 2008 Economic Crisis.

Though the US propaganda media is failing to alert the American people to the shattering of their economy (exactly like they did prior to the 2008 collapse which cost these people trillions) the same cannot be said for the elite classes who continue to move billions out of their banks (the most since 11 September 2001) and whose corporate insiders are dumping huge numbers of shares in their own companies right now.

To the exact timeline of this coming collapse of the US economy, this report says, was “clearly shown” last week when the Swiss global banking giant UBS reported that an anonymous options trader had made an enormous $11.25 million bet that the VIX will explode between 20-25 April.

While the volatility index (aka the VIX, aka the “fear index”) is near historic lows, the Business Insider news service states about this trade that someone would have to be “VERY confident” in their outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

To how the West is preparing for this coming economic collapse can be seen in France, where its President ordered the mobilisation of the secret services and police to carry out surveillance of workers fighting mass unemployment and factory closures, and in the United States (recently named by Human Rights Watch as the “ prison capital of the world”) whose Department of Homeland Security (DHS) this past week added tens-of-millions of more rounds to an arsenal said to equip it to wage a “30-year war” against the American people.

Most interesting to note of these events are them all occurring at a time when Eastern astrologers are warning that the “black water snake” (Year of the Snake) that emerges to replace The Year of the Dragon on 10 February -- the first day of the Lunar New Year -- could be a venomous one that brings disaster.

Previous Snake years have been marked by the 11 September 11 2001 terror strikes that killed nearly 3,000 people, the crushing of the 1989 Tiananmen pro-democracy protests and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. The 1929 stock market plunge that heralded the Great Depression also occurred in a snake year.

To if these Western peoples will awaken to the dire tragedy that lies before them and protect themselves it is not in our knowing. What is known, however, and exactly like the year preceding the 2007-2008 collapse, those, like us, giving warnings are sure to be shunned and ridiculed while these people are robbed by their elite masters of what little remains of their wealth, freedom and dignity. link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1656.htm)[/QUOTE


even Sorcha is agreeing on this one...

[sygh]

We don't need to worry about false flags any more, manipulation has become so open and so blatant - its just ruthless. Ruthless.

I appologize for editing this post. What we are dealing with is very serious. I'd like to move to the hills, like those who have the money to do it. We've spoken about doing this very thing ourselves. Many here have. I should be happy for them, shouldn't I? Happy that someone had the capacity to plan and act upon it, and in one sense, I am because I don't feel jealous of those who have more than I do. On the other hand, in the situation I'm in, I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an economic collapse or the panic that might follow. This is not the kinder world I grew up in. Its dog eat dog. I am in a decent place though, and I'm not without skills. We shall see.

[Jean-Luc]

Good overview & update provided by Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones

Why The Banking Elite Want Riots in America (http://www.infowars.com/why-the-banking-elite-wants-riots-in-america/)

This storyboard makes more and more sense...

Making it known far & wide, even more.

[hangel]

I read between the lines. Thanks Bill.

[hangel]

Did you think this is why the pope resigned? He knows n he just doesn't want to sit in front of the fan when the s**t hits it?

[wobbegong]

Did you think this is why the pope resigned? He knows n he just doesn't want to sit in front of the fan when the s**t hits it?
Very interesting possible connection. I often hold myself back from making too many assumptions as I read between the lines, but this one struck a chord.

[gripreaper]

Bill,

A few years ago, you said something to the effect (paraphrased): that you were done doing interviews because you had basically completed a comprehensive view of the big picture, and that all of the information is in the archives.

You’ve also recently indicated that the “spiders” were all connected in the digital, biological, emotional and astral fields as one resonant electromagnetic pulse, which can be distilled and used to create memes to influence the collective consciousness, and steer the outcome towards an agenda.

You’ve also put out many warnings that we can expect something of great import sometime this year, as early as April, which has been corroborated by remote viewers as well as the web bots, and is now showing up in the false flags and memes being created.

The call to be prepared has gone out and I “hear” it. I know there are many who are late to the party and need to hear the warnings and the wake up call, but are we feeding these memes?

Right now, with this whole Dorner fiasco, I feel like I’m watching an episode of “The Hunger Games” as 150 officers are scouring the woods, and drones are being used to effectively eliminate Dorner once he is found. This is one such “meme” being put into the spider web to steer consciousness.

Is it not time to create our own memes to counter the effects of this new technology, and no longer point to the shenanigans of the elite by continually adding to the energy of: Oh, look at what the elite are up to now?

If we continue to focus on a Carrington type event, or a coastal event, or a digital collapse of the internet, or the electrical grid, or any major catastrophic failure, are we not adding to the energy of these memes and feeding the spiders which are steering these memes?

Discussions are emerging here at Avalon on how to develop an antithetic protocol, to affect the spider web with our own memes, to tap into this electromagnetic resonance at the frequency which can create memes in counter intuitive ways and possibly change the outcome.

If a major shift is imminent, and we are at the 11th hour, where should our focus be? Can we bring enough energy to bear, with focused intent, to have a say in this shift? If we don’t, are we already headed into a timeline which is not what we want and we are to hunker down and claim it is too late to do anything about it?

If we can do more than just prepare for our basic survival, what would that be? Vivek started a thread which I feel could develop into a solution.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague

[Radi]

Thanks for the info Bill! (and everybody) !
I just wonder why google chrome don't recommend me going to page 5 ?~!
,,Danger: Malware Ahead!
Google Chrome has blocked access to this page on projectavalon.net.
Content from sgtreport.com, a known malware distributor, has been inserted into this web page. Visiting this page now is very likely to infect your computer with malware. ''

[Timreh]

Reading and listening to the interviews on Bills opening post I felt a knot in my stomach.. that “it’s real and its close” feeling.
Which leads me to ask..


What are we going to DO about it?


We can become informed and prepared but do we have an obligation to pass this on to others? (and to what extent)?

To calmly try and prepare friends & family?
Local media?
After all it is a high stakes game.

[Ilie Pandia]

Thanks for the info Bill! (and everybody) !
I just wonder why google chrome don't recommend me going to page 5 ?~!
,,Danger: Malware Ahead!
Google Chrome has blocked access to this page on projectavalon.net.
Content from sgtreport.com, a known malware distributor, has been inserted into this web page. Visiting this page now is very likely to infect your computer with malware. ''

Hello,

Page 5 of this thread was embedding an image from the sgtreport.com website. That would not cause any harm to anybody and Google Chrome was issuing a general warning that "sgtreport.com" has been infected with malware so we should not trust any content from there.

I have disabled the offending image, and the page now loads OK. But just to confirm, that page was safe even before my update.

[Vince]

LEAP 2020 an european economical think tank is foreseeing the crash of the dollar for as soon as next spring.
Given they, years in advance, predicted the 2008 crisis then the 2011 debt crisis i guess we can take it as food for thoughts for some upcoming big event in the United States...

http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-71-is-available-United-States-March-June-2013-Unpluggig-the-world-s-sick-man-last-impact-phase-of-the-global_a13066.html

They're really trustable as an independant source for economical/geopolitical/social events so it may be that indeed the **** is about to hit the fan (excuse my french please ;) )

More info on them : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap2020

[Wind]

I believe that the chance for the big solar flare is closer than ever now. We shouldn't be afraid of it, because it is the way how the power from the cabal is taken out. Their toys will not work after it. When the old system has crumbled we can start to build a new one.

In times like these we need to let our inner lights shine more than ever, most of us will be the beacons in the darkness. That's why we are here.

[gripreaper]

I believe that the chance for the big solar flare is closer than ever now. We shouldn't be afraid of it, because it is the way how the power from the cabal is taken out. Their toys will not work after it.

With the deep underground bases, powered with Tesla's unlimited energy from the earth, protected from and EMF pulse, it matters not, to them, if we have a Carrington type event which knocks out all digital electronics and the wired electrical grid. It will not effect them one little bit.

I would even postulate, that this inevitability has been planned and prepared for, for decades. Once they have profiled everybody, they can manufacture an "event" and take down the whole enchilada, while their servers, electrical grid, internet grid, food supply, and domicile, will be just fine. Remember, they operate on a completely different net with Tesla technology, which we don't have. They can sit back, drink Martini's from the comfort of their easy chair, and watch by closed circuit, the civil unrest, mayhem, starvation, destruction, death, inhumanity, and chaos, and make jokes and laugh about it to each other.

[AlaBil]

LEAP 2020 an european economical think tank is foreseeing the crash of the dollar for as soon as next spring.
Given they, years in advance, predicted the 2008 crisis then the 2011 debt crisis i guess we can take it as food for thoughts for some upcoming big event in the United States...

I subscribe to this and here are the headlines inside the most current issue:

United States, March-June 2013 –Unpluggig the world’s sick man: lastimpact phase of the global systemic crisis

2013 – The suicidal tendencies of the four powers of the world before: The United States, the United Kingdom, Japan and Israel

ANTICIPATIONS 2013 - ‘15-UP AND 14-
DOWN’, TWENTY NINE KEY TRENDS - Fifteen developments which will strengthen during 2013/ Fourteen subjects which will disappear by the end of 2013

For me the most important aspect of LEAP 2020 is that it is a non-US based source of info.

[Christine]

I believe that the chance for the big solar flare is closer than ever now. We shouldn't be afraid of it, because it is the way how the power from the cabal is taken out. Their toys will not work after it.

With the deep underground bases, powered with Tesla's unlimited energy from the earth, protected from and EMF pulse, it matters not, to them, if we have a Carrington type event which knocks out all digital electronics and the wired electrical grid. It will not effect them one little bit.

I would even postulate, that this inevitability has been planned and prepared for, for decades. Once they have profiled everybody, they can manufacture an "event" and take down the whole enchilada, while their servers, electrical grid, internet grid, food supply, and domicile, will be just fine. Remember, they operate on a completely different net with Tesla technology, which we don't have. They can sit back, drink Martini's from the comfort of their easy chair, and watch by closed circuit, the civil unrest, mayhem, starvation, destruction, death, inhumanity, and chaos, and make jokes and laugh about it to each other.

That's pretty much a stark wake up call. So our revolution must be from another level of the game, me thinks.

[Wind]

With the deep underground bases, powered with Tesla's unlimited energy from the earth, protected from and EMF pulse, it matters not, to them, if we have a Carrington type event which knocks out all digital electronics and the wired electrical grid. It will not effect them one little bit.

I would even postulate, that this inevitability has been planned and prepared for, for decades. Once they have profiled everybody, they can manufacture an "event" and take down the whole enchilada, while their servers, electrical grid, internet grid, food supply, and domicile, will be just fine. Remember, they operate on a completely different net with Tesla technology, which we don't have. They can sit back, drink Martini's from the comfort of their easy chair, and watch by closed circuit, the civil unrest, mayhem, starvation, destruction, death, inhumanity, and chaos, and make jokes and laugh about it to each other.

Maybe so, but you're statement makes it look like that they would be the winners of this game. No one can escape karma, so even if they think that they have won they really haven't. They have technology, but even they are not all powerful.

Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't think that humanity's future would be a grim one. It will probably get worse before it gets better, but it will get better. I don't know that how long I will be here, but I will make the most of it and I hope that I will be able to help others if I have the chance.

[ThePythonicCow]

I have disabled the offending image, and the page now loads OK.
I posted more details at When I opened this thread my virus scanner kicked in (Post #11) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55561-When-I-opened-this-thread-my-virus-scanner-kicked-in&p=634869&viewfull=1#post634869)

[ThePythonicCow]

Is it not time to create our own memes to counter the effects of this new technology, and no longer point to the shenanigans of the elite by continually adding to the energy of: Oh, look at what the elite are up to now?

If we continue to focus on a Carrington type event, or a coastal event, or a digital collapse of the internet, or the electrical grid, or any major catastrophic failure, are we not adding to the energy of these memes and feeding the spiders which are steering these memes?





With the deep underground bases, powered with Tesla's unlimited energy from the earth, protected from and EMF pulse, it matters not, to them, if we have a Carrington type event which knocks out all digital electronics and the wired electrical grid. It will not effect them one little bit.

I would even postulate, that this inevitability has been planned and prepared for, for decades. Once they have profiled everybody, they can manufacture an "event" and take down the whole enchilada, while their servers, electrical grid, internet grid, food supply, and domicile, will be just fine. Remember, they operate on a completely different net with Tesla technology, which we don't have. They can sit back, drink Martini's from the comfort of their easy chair, and watch by closed circuit, the civil unrest, mayhem, starvation, destruction, death, inhumanity, and chaos, and make jokes and laugh about it to each other.

So ... we shouldn't focus our energy on such an event, but we're seriously doomed, while they laugh and drink Martini's from the comfort of their easy chair ?

I would suggest neither :).

Sun Tzu's Art of War may be relevant here - know thyself and know thine enemy.

Study your enemy not to engage them where they invite it, but to know their weaknesses and likely attacks. Study your enemy not to feed your fear, but to embolden your opportunities.

In this case I figure keeping the masses confused and weak is a major need of the bastards in power. I'm doing what I can to help us become stronger and better informed. That's why I put in so much time here (well, that, and being an addicted computer nerd and all the good people here.)

[gripreaper]

Is it not time to create our own memes to counter the effects of this new technology, and no longer point to the shenanigans of the elite by continually adding to the energy of: Oh, look at what the elite are up to now?

If we continue to focus on a Carrington type event, or a coastal event, or a digital collapse of the internet, or the electrical grid, or any major catastrophic failure, are we not adding to the energy of these memes and feeding the spiders which are steering these memes?



With the deep underground bases, powered with Tesla's unlimited energy from the earth, protected from and EMF pulse, it matters not, to them, if we have a Carrington type event which knocks out all digital electronics and the wired electrical grid. It will not effect them one little bit.

I would even postulate, that this inevitability has been planned and prepared for, for decades. Once they have profiled everybody, they can manufacture an "event" and take down the whole enchilada, while their servers, electrical grid, internet grid, food supply, and domicile, will be just fine. Remember, they operate on a completely different net with Tesla technology, which we don't have. They can sit back, drink Martini's from the comfort of their easy chair, and watch by closed circuit, the civil unrest, mayhem, starvation, destruction, death, inhumanity, and chaos, and make jokes and laugh about it to each other.

So ... we shouldn't focus our energy on such an event, but we're seriously doomed, while they laugh and drink Martini's from the comfort of their easy chair ?

I would suggest neither :).

Sun Tzu's Art of War may be relevant here - know thyself and know thine enemy.

Study your enemy not to engage them where they invite it, but to know their weaknesses and likely attacks. Study your enemy not to feed your fear, but to embolden your opportunities.

In this case I figure keeping the masses confused and weak is a major need of the bastards in power. I'm doing what I can to help us become stronger and better informed. That's why I put in so much time here (well, that, and being an addicted computer nerd and all the good people here.)

As sharp as you are, you can see the contradiction in these two posts. What I am trying to move towards, is some way to engage the energetic field is such a way which edifies all sentient beings, as well as not feed into the memes the powers that be are attempting to imbed in the field of consciousness.

It appears to me, that the real battle is on the quantum level, where the true changes occur, and that the manifestations are a result of what is occurring in the quantum field. I guess I'm just trying to change my focus and be more cognizant of how I may be feeding the memes, or how I may be shifting the energy for a more favorable outcome.

Not fully schooled or adept at this just yet, but it's my intention.

[ThePythonicCow]

It appears to me, that the real battle is on the quantum level, where the true changes occur, and that the manifestations are a result of what is occurring in the quantum field.
I just edited this recent post of mine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55549-Brainwave-and-Thought-Pattern-Manipulation-AI-Technology-And-The-Invasion-Of-Our-Minds&p=634912&viewfull=1#post634912) to add the word "quantum" :) :).


Not fully schooled or adept at this just yet, but it's my intention.
Indeed ... me too.

[sllim11]

this guy, "suspicious observers", does an update everyday including space weather, covering anything that might be headed our way or not...

CwbU2H-DCZs

(sorry if someone already posted this link...)




Ok for example only.... a solar flare false flag attack in which the flare is used to explain the vaporising of funds in accounts (as spoken of in audio interview with V and Dan Hagmann included in Bills opening post).

Would this not make people dislike digital currency and transactions and work against it being embraced in a 'rebuild'?

Absolutly. I dont see solar flares as false flag potential except to maybe take out some stuff that the fare didnt really do, or to possibly impose martial law in affected areas.
The government is as afraid of them as anybody.

How can we track solar flars here on Avalon so we can know when a big one is coming? They say it takes 3 days for one to get here right? thats a fair warning for preppers I would hope. Is there a way we can have them posted sort of like how we do for earthquakes.. Id prefer just to have signficant ones posted with detail on where they are suppose to impact on the planet.

[greybeard]

Hi Slimm 11 it (Suspicious observers update) gets posted every day on the "Up at the ranch" thread.
I dont see any harm in duplicating this though as threads disappear so quickly from view.
Its always an important daily watch for me.
Chris

[sygh]

The following I find very disturbing.

Supposedly, Pope Benedict XVI, made a huge written statement (New Encyclical)whilst walking out the door in which he openly endorsed the NWO. In several articles I've read about the stepping down of Pope Benedict, he was "reported" to have said he strongly believed in a one world government and that we should continue to seek it bla, bla,bla... He was then reported to have spoken about the environment, intersticing the prior (pro world government) with the later (the environment).

:becky:The dasterdly part: In and editorial at LifeSiteNews, John-Henry Westen tells us the "Pope’s New Encyclical Speaks Against, not for One-World Government and New World Order."

Here is the first paragraph where Westen begins to explain the situation:

"Newspapers, blogs, talk-shows on radio and television are full of discussion over Pope Benedict XVI's supposed call for a "new world order" or a "one-world government." These ideas are, however, neither based in reality nor a clear reading of the Pope's latest encyclical, Caritas in Veritate, the release of which yesterday spawned the heated discussion."

Westen quotes the Pope directly as writing: "We must," he says "promote a dispersed political authority." ... and there's a bunch more where that came from (link).

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2009/jul/09070812

Here is a quote I particularly appreciate: ...'Later in the encyclical (57) he speaks of the opposite concept to one- world government -subsidiarity (the principle of Catholic social teaching which states that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest or least centralized competent authority) - as being essential. "In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity," says the Pope.'

Now, if the PTB and the media isn't beating the band for playing, I don't know what is. I've been studying and working toward sustainability for about 7 years now, and I cannot begin to tell you the inconsistencies. What we need is to get back to the essentials but with the majority having said that years ago (1970s), what sense did/does it make to tell the average person to live and buy locally when clearly NAFTA, AFTA, CAFTA (LAFTA ;-}), and need I mention trade between China and the U.S. do the complete opposite? Clearly, these are not the steps we should have taken, if saving the environment was truely the goal. The average person could probably tout off 20 ways to help save the environment right off the tops of their heads. Truely, the disconnect between what we need to do, and what is being done is vast and deep. I see clearly that the people in charge (ptb/ptw, whatever) either don't know what they are doing or, are hell bent on wiping us out through war. And yes, this has been stated by many good people many times over the years but right now, I find all of this to be a great big cluster XXXX.

I don't know the exiting Pope, though I've heard rumors as to who he might have been in an earlier time but right now, all I can say is God bless him for having the forethought to speak out on the issue while walking away.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[happyuk]

Thanks for posting this essential reading list Bill.

This is pretty sobering stuff, to put it mildly.

Nothing would please me more than to see our rotten system replaced with something better, though without the dissemination of hostility and misery.

[Shin'Ar]

The purpose of this thread is to see if we can get ourselves all more or less on to the same page. We are necessarily of different personalities, different backgrounds, different skill-sets, even different generations, and have different purposes on Planet Earth this lifetime. But we have to assume that we are all on the same side here in what is an enormous game, contest, or battle: pick your metaphor of choice.

Here, I'm more or less focused on practicalities. In my opinion, you should be too. Your personal and spiritual development and learning parallels this. There are many aspects of Avalon which focus on and support this. That's all good, as it's part of our purpose.

But there are real threats before us.

Some of you will have a mission to inform others, and that's understood. But if we're ALL just informing one another, and doing nothing, the incestuousness becomes futile and of little use. One of the axes I grind about the alternative media, and the overwhelming plethora of radio shows, is that so many commentators spend so much time interviewing each other.


That's because the problem statement is this:

If there exists a powerful, amoral [or worse], unimaginably wealthy group controlling the planet, with classified highly advanced technology at their disposal, whose origins go back thousands of years and longer, who are allied with or used by ET races who do NOT have the interests of the human race at heart and who are defying any existing non-interference agreements, who are psychically adept, are trained in and practice technologically amplified black magic, and who regard you and me as the enemy...

...Then what are we going to do about it?




There are many different kinds of conspiracies taking place on our planet, which also extend much farther into the creation all around, and within us.

It is positive that information become available in ways that can offer the seeker options and avenues to avoid conflict and abuse.

It is positive that in such times many enlightened fields gather here to acquire information and to offer their particular efforts toward expressing positive vibrations and harmonic frequencies. Our world is enchanted and enhanced incredibly by such feats and acts of concerned compassion.

The one most important question which rises to the top of all others involved in this process of acquiring, sharing and seeking to establish harmony, and that is,

'For whom do we attempt this?'

Is appeasing the temporary identity, which we each adopt as a new delusional self in each incarnation, a worthy cause for such effort?

Is legacy a more worthy and substantial goal?

Where do we draw the lines and what authority will draw those lines for everyone, and who and what will be excluded from those plans and be cast outside the lines?

If A efforts to undo the options of B with regard to how each exists, and one considers itself more worthy of existing than the an other, than harmony is being defined as 'that which is won at the expense of an other.'

Such harmony is the milk and honey sought after in the Middle East. But before it can be tasted, the battle between A and B is waged, with the expectation that only one, or the other, should taste of the holy nectar. Stalemate ensues simply because that which is being chased, is an oxymoron and does not exist at all. If harmony is defines as something which only one can reap, it automatically becomes something other than harmony.

In its very essence harmony does not exclude.

The predator/prey mentality arises because the prey does not want to become prey; not because the predator has feelings of sympathy for its prey. It is not a matter of the ways of life being challenged by the predator because the natural ways are always more of a burden for the prey. It is also natural for the prey to flee destruction, and to try to survive. But if every prey finds success in surviving, then the predator suffers the destruction which would have befallen the prey. As such role reversal plays out, does the predator not become the victim?

So again I ask, ''For whom do we attempt this?'

Who shall survive, the one or the other?

None of us want to be preyed upon by an other. And becoming well informed, and having options opened to us through that gathering and discerning of knowledge, is beneficial, but we must always take great care to remember why we seek, and what place we have in the whole picture, so as not to become misinformed about the natural components of our efforts, and the selfish aspects of ignorance.

If we make this quest for harmony about one or the other, in defiance of nature and Divine Design, harmony will not be the result of our efforts. Harmony of the one or the other will manifest, but not harmony of the whole or The All.

If we seek after harmony for the human alone, what others must we consume in order to achieve that goal? And how does that checkered flag differ from any other where there are winners and losers?

If we race against the other for the prize of self appeasement, then how are we any different?

Our efforts are worthy only when they are made in love, and love can only be manifest in compassion and consideration of an other; unless it is only love for one's self. And where that self is nothing more than a temporary delusional identity restricted to this very short incarnation alone, than 'self love' is also just a fleeting manifestation of inconsequential desire and whimsy.

Now I know that many here will not consider my thoughts or receive them well. Some believe The Ancients to be the crux of the torments which inflict this planet, and relate the Ancient Teachings to the many perversions and corruptions which have mutated from them. However this is not the fault of those who have gone on before us, rather it should easily be recognized as the natural tendencies which define the human experience, and there reveal the true enemy within.

The Ancients have been insistent on one priority over all others, 'Know Thyself'.

This worthy offering of knowledge was perverted into a definition of 'self' which related more to that human tendency toward individual satisfaction, than the true self to which The Ancients were actually directing us to realize. And just as many judge Christ by the perversion which bears His name, this same mistaken ignorance is directed toward The Ancient Teachings. That which becomes corrupted by human discernment and greed should not be mistaken as corruption itself. The cancer cell is not the same cell which, when functioning in harmony with its process of being, will proceed to become an improved and fulfilled aspect of its efforts. But only as it proceeds naturally and survives afflictions. In that grander design and process of survival and effort, the cancer cell also plays its part, and is as natural as the non cancerous cell. It does what it is designed to do. One defies the other, and all is natural process struggling to be one or the other. In the natural process of being, there is no harmony. There is the duel between one and the other for survival. But in this theater, what is it that survives in the conquest? Is it the temporary, or the eternal?

THIS is what The Ancients have tried to get us to understand when they say, 'Know Thyself.'

What they mean to say is that we should know our true self is not the temporary, but rather the eternal, and the eternal is not this temporary identity we associate our self with.

In the theater between one and the other, true self is not one or the other, but it is both. One process of being. One energy. One Consciousness.

Harmony is not realized in the one or the other, but in the acceptance that the other is as natural and as much self as we think we are.

What gets in the way of this understanding is intelligent awareness, and the thinking that attaches true self to our temporary identities.

In ignorance all goes on as natural, and harmony ensues as it was designed.

In awareness all becomes unnatural as the intellect adopts identity which seeks to preserve its self, in ignorance of the true self which exists far beyond that temporary association of rebellion and defiance.

It has long been known that 'ignorance is bliss.'

The lion and the lamb do not live in defiance of their natures, they exist in harmony, and yet, only because they exist in ignorance.

Evolving intelligence is a formidable 'other state of being', as it brings with it the confusions of self awareness which is fraught with the many chaotic addictions and sensations of being human.

So the question remains, do we simply lie down and become prey, without effort to survive at the expense of the other?

Certainly not. The instinct to survive, to flee destruction, is as natural as the instinct to feed. Both feeding and fleeing are survival instincts.

But as we effort to survive, considering the awareness we have achieved of our environment, the real question is, can we act in consideration of the true aspects of our evolving fields of consciousness, beyond the instinctive urges of the physical and the temporary, or do we simply take flight across that grassland of countless OTHER predators waiting their turn to survive, and preying on others as we go.

Know the true self.

If this comes first, all which follows will become harmonious, and what should be done will be accomplished with much grander consequences and results.

Focus not on the other first, but on the difference between what 'appears' to be self, and that which is true self.

Everything done in the name of that delusional self will never achieve harmony.

Our efforts here as The One should be to inform and educate. Our efforts as The Other should be to understand how The One and The Other exist in natural harmony. And to realize this we each must come to know exactly what we really are.

[Mluck]

The only problem I have with this is not every one is in a position to just move outside of the city. What about those people who can just afford to live from month to month how can they stock pile food guns etc or relocate for that matter this what I never hear talked about.

[Yvonne]

AN ARMORED TRUCK?? REALLY???

I live about 10 miles from Marin County (in Sonoma County). Marin has just purchased an armored truck for it's "terrorism strike team". Which is ridiculous, as Marin County is the last place you would see terrorist activity. Much of it's population consists of rich yuppies, known and not-so-well-known rock stars, aging hippies and artists of various sorts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/marin-terrorism-strike-team_n_2677141.html

http://www.marinij.com/marinnews/ci_22595956/critics-rip-marin-sheriffs-370-000-armored-truck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County,_California

This is disturbing, to say the least. It wouldn't make sense to get a vehicle like this unless they knew it was going to be put to use. My feeling is that it will be used against "civil unrest". Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[blake]

The only problem I have with this is not every one is in a position to just move outside of the city. What about those people who can just afford to live from month to month how can they stock pile food guns etc or relocate for that matter this what I never hear talked about.


This answer is not directed at the poster, as I do not know him, but rather it is directed at the many people who have asked similar questions over the years.

For many and various reasons, some natural and some not, humans are not all equal in their abilities, thinking patterns, assets, birth circumstances, health, and connections. The human of middle years usually has to work harder keeping their health and strength up than those in their younger years. We all are responsible for ourselves and the decisions we have made that have freed us, or enslaved us, regardless of our assets and liabilities. In running away from danger, any seventy-five- year- old man would love to have the agile, strong legs of a thirty-eight-year-old man. Many twenty-five- year- olds wish they had the assets of a financially savvy forty-seven-year- old. And how many seventy-five-year-old billionaires would rather be thirty-three and poor, than old and rich?

We all have liabilities, and we all have assets. Do you know yours? Those who take charge of their lives in a positive way, look at their assets and circumstances and do what they can to improve their lives. Those who don’t take charge of their lives, and assets remain stuck and remain prey to everyone else. The bottom line is that usually when one doesn’t have money or connections, often they have other assets they can put to work for themselves if they exercise their brain and discipline their actions. But from my experience most don’t for a variety of reasons. But whatever the reason is, legit or not, only one person is responsible for you, and that is you. If anyone finds themselves in a bad position in life…..all they need to do is look into the mirror for the person responsible for their situation, then ask that person in the mirror what they are going to now do about it. If the person chooses not to do anything, cannot come up with any type of plan A, B or C to get things flowing in their direction, then they continue be stuck and continue to serve themselves up as prey.

All humans are equal in their right to live on earth and try to make a life for themselves without others turning them into prey or slaves; yet they are unequal in talent, thinking patterns, charm, health and relationships. We use our brain to assess our assets, assess our liabilities, and discipline ourselves to brainstorm how we can best be responsible for our own safety and health and those we are responsible for by using the assets we do have and by having well thought out plans. Unfortunately not all humans take on their responsibilities; instead they sidestep them often getting weighed down by their lot in life rather than do something about it while they work with what they have. One can be clever, but many choose not to be.

There is a world of difference between being twenty, forty, sixty and eighty. Each person needs to be honest in assessing where they are in life. NO ONE is going to take the responsibility on making your life work for you, and no one should because they need to take care of their own responsibilities. If any one person is gifted with receiving a helping hand, or an unexpected windfall of good fortune, appreciate it for what it is, use it in the best way possible, and then get on with the responsibility of your own life. No one is going to take care of you.

Life is hard. Life is a struggle even for those who have more assets and opportunities than others. Life is hard. People share information. That is a gift. Some people like to be entertained more than they like to do what is necessary. I was taught that first you get done what needs to be done before you sit down and unwind, and that has worked well for me. But if a person is only making it month by month, and I believe that is the majority of humans out there, I think they need a plan to get themselves out of that entrapment. I can’t tell anyone how, because everyone has different circumstances, different assets, different levels of motivation and discipline. Some people can move themselves quickly to a better position, some people move at a turtle pace, but the point is to keep the eye on the goal and keep on moving toward it. Many people don’t move and don’t even make a plan, or they make plans and don’t follow through.

No one can tell anyone how to live. I can write out a long list of choices people probably made if they are in the position of living month to month; week to week; or for some just day to day. No one can tell anyone how to become secure; every human needs to figure out their life security on their own. Some people like to gamble that all will be fine and live with the attitude of spend or charge for today, and tomorrow will take care of its self. Other people are more conservative and consider building a safety net as a priority.
Some people inherit money and blow it. Some people inherit money and secure their future with it. Some people, perhaps most people, never inherit money. Your life is what it is, and each person is responsible to molding their life by the decisions they make with the thinking patterns that they have.

For decades people have been sharing information that pertains to what decisions humans would have been wise to make to get through hard times. Also for decades, social engineering has been at work making the vast majority of Americans weak in their positions to protect themselves. Those who were molded by social engineering are in weak positions now living essentially hand to mouth, the majority of people. Those who exercised their minds and disciplined their actions and read widely, or luckily crossed paths with a reliable, knowledgeable teacher, who was not socially engineered to build their life without a solid foundation, are living well or at least can provide for themselves even if suddenly the services society has come to rely on are no longer there.

Some people can relocate, that doesn’t mean everyone or the majority can. The majority feel they can’t. Relocation is a personal decision. If you choose to stay where you are, have you thought through what the issues will be that you will have to deal with eventually, if not sooner? Do you have a plan A B C and D for every issue that you will most likely be confronted with? If you have no plan to help you survive, you probably also have no skills to survive, because as one develops plans they often develop the skills that are needed for the plan to work. If you want to relocate but think you can’t, you need to spend time brainstorming possibilities, priorities and making your own opportunities. Why would anyone stay where they did not want to be? If society is controlling you that much that you can’t come up with some sort of plan to move and start acting on that plan, then you are on already working on the plantation. Do you really want your freedom?

Anyone asking the question: “what about those of us who can relocate, or can’t afford to put food away?”, are at this point asking the wrong questions. You are still waiting to be saved rather than exercise you brain to save yourself. You are not looking at your assets and liabilities. You are not exercising your brain and deciplining your action; instead you are acting helpless and setting yourself up for more failure. Start asking yourself what exactly are your potential threats and really dig into what they might be; then brainstorm what steps can you take to sidestep those threats should they manifest.

I wish I could help everyone who needs to move to a safer location, and have a well stocked home on every level. But I can’t do that, and neither can anyone else. Everyone needs to assess their own lives and brainstorm what IS available that can put them in a better position. What ASSETS do you have, or are available to you that you haven’t thought of, or are not using to its greatest potential? Where is your list of what you need, and the plan to get those needs met in priority order?

Some people are just too tired, or lazy, or they believe nothing bad will really happen.
Too many people are like this. And so they will have to confront the consequences of their lack of using their brain, and disciplining their actions.

Life is hard. Life is a struggle. One never knows, even if they are well prepared if their preparations will ever be enough. Some people are just lucky, they do absolutely nothing and they can end up living in a house that someone prepared to the fullest. And the person who prepared to the fullest, may just be unlucky and have a massive stroke, or break his ankle just as he needs to be taking action.

There is so much information being shared, but how much is being absorbed or applied?

My advise when people ask me questions now, is to just ask questions back to see if the human is thinking, planning, brainstorming, or are they just feeling stuck in life. If they are feeling stuck, until they discover how to get themselves unstuck by using their skills of thinking and planning, then no amount of good information is going to help them anyways. But that is just all my humble opinion.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[sygh]

The only problem I have with this is not every one is in a position to just move outside of the city. What about those people who can just afford to live from month to month how can they stock pile food guns etc or relocate for that matter this what I never hear talked about.

I hear you. That's where altruism comes into play. You get with like minded people and you make a plan. You do what you can do, they do what they can do and you all do it together. Say you're in charge of stockpiling water, that sort of thing. You work out the logistics, responsibilities, where the best place or places are to store supplies, etc. You can also make arrangements to have a place to go when you want to bug out, if you know friends or relatives across the country, etc.

[Alan]

Not sure if this was mentioned already, but if you are on (essential) meds, look into getting an emergency supply if possible. If you need a life saving med like insulin, I have no idea what your options would be if a catastrophe went beyond a few months. Unfortunately I'm currently on a couple meds, I'm going to see if my pharmacies will let me do this (I have a feeling the insurance companies won't pay for this).

Wow, just found this today. Homemade insulin! Can't comment on it's effectiveness...

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=33479

[Chester]

All this has delayed the roll-out of planned events. The timeline is already significantly different from that foreseen in (for instance) T1V83 (http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html). (That was very real. Kerry and I were briefed, off camera, for five hours about that. We were left in absolutely no doubt that this was not imaginary.

In this video, Dan Burisch suggests "our future is a blank slate."

I have (for some time now) adopted this very view on a personal level. I have been extremely reluctant to mention this because of something those in the lovely "gambling world" know as - "the mush." But the reason I mention this now is that I have been able to maintain consistency and no longer allow myself to be affected in this way.

In short, I no longer “mush” myself because I can’t. That possibility no longer exists in my personal paradigm.

Now, the reason I am making this post is because I have found how I create my own wonderful reality outcomes - wonderful as measured on my own scale of acceptability. In fact, when I allow myself to remain “in the zone” as a life coach I once knew always called it, I find that my “positive outcome imaginings” can't compare to the actual results I achieve. Meaning the actual results far exceed my own best case scenario conscious dreams and fantasies.

Again, I have found how I am able to achieve this level of experience consistently on a personal level. Now here is the caveat. I achieve this best when I choose not to pursue information acquisition of what the world may be up to. This means that (as much as possible without making it an obsession) by avoiding the mainstream media, by avoiding almost all forms of advertising, (and I hate to admit it but) by avoiding the threads that could, for many, call forth fear based emotions... essentially by resisting my attraction to these sorts of distractions, I find I now live in a magnificent wonderland.

But here’s the rub. This is great... all fine and dandy for me. Unfortunately, it appears to me that too many people have yet to discover this capability I believe every spirit being possesses. And this causes a reaction within me such that I feel compelled to make myself available to others in case they might want to know the actual steps I have taken to achieve this new, consistent way of life – a way of life that produces such incredible results.

And then there’s the bigger picture “rub” which involves the possibilities as pointed out by Bill in this thread’s OP and from which I isolated the quote at the beginning of this post. I cannot simply ostrich my way through my future as a physical human being. That would be selfish and selfishness is not satisfying for me as it was before I woke up.

I maintain that we all have our outcome in our collective hands. I have experimented with what I call “The percentage effect of living truth.” Here’s how this theory works.

Let’s say you have a group of 100 people and all but one of these are basic regular (unawakened) folks... a decent sampling the world’s modern society. Within this group is one exceptional person in that this person has a knack for connecting consciously with truth. What do I mean by truth? Truth as to who/what you are. Now here is where the theory part comes in. I theorize that If this person has achieved conscious contact with who/what they are, accepts the truth of who/what they are and allows themselves to consistently manifest that truth, then the power of their own will is magnified exponentially.

This means that even though that person represents only 1% of the pool of people (like having one vote in a democracy), this person’s impact on the collective (which includes themselves) is far greater than 1%.

The theory is - The degree to which this person’s will-driven impact has upon the collective is directly proportional to that person’s conscious accepted knowledge of who/what they are in addition to the consistency they exhibit in remaining in this truth.

Then there is part two of this theory which is also demonstrated through an example. If we have a group of 100 awakened spirit beings and within that group is a proportionately smaller number (say 10) who have chosen to experience (and thus be) love, thus then possess the power acquired (generated) by choosing love and the degree to which these spirit beings remain consistent in their bet on love is exponentially proportional to the actual manifestation of love amongst the collective.

In this theory, it is possible that a handful of beings from our past could actually have catalyzed the change in the direction of our world and I don’t need to name examples though I am certain there have been just as many folks of this nature who incarnated as females as there may have been males despite most of our “histories” that only popularize men. My favorite modern era heroin has been Joan de Arc.

That, essentially, is my simple (not so secret) way of life now.

My theory is that folks who have discovered this “secret” (I am hoping it becomes less and less a secret) grow in number and grow in their individual connectivity to truth and that when they have achieved this knowledge of who/what they are, gain what is known as an attitude of gratitude which results in the individual gaining a love for life with the end result being that the individual possesses a love based intention and thus is greatly empowered. “Love” in this case means one who appreciates the gift of life and naturally gives thanks through what they think, speak/write and do and that this all occurs naturally (as opposed to someone who has the discipline to emulate this lifestyle but it all comes from their head and is done all for nothing but self gain – in essence a manipulation).

Those in this group will have a proportionately greater effect on the collective experience for all of humanity and this is how a small number amongst humanity change the world’s direction and can do so rapidly and dramatically.

Theoretically, this can all happen overnight... if only we got brave enough to allow this personal transformation to take place.

That is why I do not rest just because I have discovered wonderland. I am like a swimmer who almost drowned at sea and has recovered from the trauma and is now ready to dive, heart first, back into the stormy waters and finds all sorts of others who are like I used to be swimming in these same stormy waters and are in fact, at least in part, responsible for the storminess of these waters.

Sorry for the long post... I don’t have an editor. haha

[Shin'Ar]

The theory is - The degree to which this person’s will-driven impact has upon the collective is directly proportional to that person’s conscious accepted knowledge of who/what they are in addition to the consistency they exhibit in remaining in this truth.




I think I understand what you are saying, but is this not simply pointing to the fact that there are some who, through sheer powerful character, are able to persuade many and attract followers?

Hitler and Genghis Khan were people who believed in who they were, and there have been many cult leaders who professed love and believed in their own powerful character, which have led others to suicide pacts.

Can you explain how your philosophy of being 'who you are' is beneficial to the rest of those who might be influenced by you?

[Chester]

The theory is - The degree to which this person’s will-driven impact has upon the collective is directly proportional to that person’s conscious accepted knowledge of who/what they are in addition to the consistency they exhibit in remaining in this truth.




I think I understand what you are saying, but is this not simply pointing to the fact that there are some who, through sheer powerful character, are able to persuade many and attract followers?

Hitler and Genghis Khan were people who believed in who they were, and there have been many cult leaders who professed love and believed in their own powerful character, which have led others to suicide pacts.

Can you explain how your philosophy of being 'who you are' is beneficial to the rest of those who might be influenced by you?

Can't write it up in a forum or a book or a blog, etc. If we happened to meet in some live environment, such as Skype, or down the street at the local pub (I don't drink, but I would go to a pub) I would be able to spontaneously share this with you as long as your energetic field was open.

PM me if you like and I would be glad to Skype with you. Realize, I don't care to convince you of anything. I would simply attempt to answer your question.

[Shin'Ar]

The theory is - The degree to which this person’s will-driven impact has upon the collective is directly proportional to that person’s conscious accepted knowledge of who/what they are in addition to the consistency they exhibit in remaining in this truth.




I think I understand what you are saying, but is this not simply pointing to the fact that there are some who, through sheer powerful character, are able to persuade many and attract followers?

Hitler and Genghis Khan were people who believed in who they were, and there have been many cult leaders who professed love and believed in their own powerful character, which have led others to suicide pacts.

Can you explain how your philosophy of being 'who you are' is beneficial to the rest of those who might be influenced by you?

Can't write it up in a forum or a book or a blog, etc. If we happened to meet in some live environment, such as Skype, or down the street at the local pub (I don't drink, but I would go to a pub) I would be able to spontaneously share this with you as long as your energetic field was open.

PM me if you like and I would be glad to Skype with you. Realize, I don't care to convince you of anything. I would simply attempt to answer your question.

No need Sir Knight.

As you will find in another thread, I now know you.

[GlassSteagallfan]

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UPDATE



I like to follow the money (in true Watergate fashion) on these matters to find proof. Earlier this week the head of floor trading operations at the NYSE wrote this in his daily report sent out to UBS traders.

"A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:

In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.

Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.

Hopefully, this person is wrong."

Now, since there is rarely and original thought on investments others have crowded into the trade after this announcement. So I am not sure what to make of it.
Is it an investment house taking a flyer on a huge bet that the S--- will hit the fan soon, or something more?


full article and update
http://www.businessinsider.com/art-cashin-on-big-vix-bet-2013-2

UPDATE: Art Cashin issued a correction in his February 8, 2012 Cashin's Comments. Here's what he said:

Optionland Errata – Several of our ever-alert readers pounced on an incongruity in our citation about that big volatility bet in the VIX options. As usual, they were correct. Jim Brown says there was a typo (damn computers). The spread should have read "call spread" (long the April 20 and short the April 25). At $75 per contract, the value of the bet was over $11 million. Mea culpa.

[Chester]

I haven't seen it discussed here before, but the most critical component in a survival situation is your attitude, and it is the one thing that you always have influence over.


Thanks for making the most critical point (IMO).

Attitude is the foundation of all your intentions. All you think, speak/write and do depends on your intentions which are founded 100% by your attitude.

Life is simple (now).

Either appreciate the gift of life we are given and have an attitude of gratitude, or we can continue to hate ourselves and each other... again, simple.

Everything of our future (all these scenarios) depends entirely on our individual attitudes.

[kanishk]

STATISTICS

World Silver Survey 2012
A Summary
THE SILVER INSTITUTE

http://www.silverwheaton.com/files/docs_quick%20links/World%20Silver%20Survey%202012%20Summary.pdf

MORE GOOD GRAPHS
from World Silver Survey 2012
GFMS

http://217.161.13.52/media_advisories/TR%20GFMS%20World%20Silver%20Survey%202012%20Presentation.pdf

[aquarian_monk]

Fantastic list! Thanks!

[Maunagarjana]

The only problem I have with this is not every one is in a position to just move outside of the city. What about those people who can just afford to live from month to month how can they stock pile food guns etc or relocate for that matter this what I never hear talked about.

I'm making modest preparations with very modest means. I have physical liabilities that other people probably could not handle, which makes things really complicated. But I am not complaining nor am I full of self pity. I just do what little I can the best I can. I am accepting of all outcomes while working towards the outcomes I prefer.

[Flash]

I haven't seen it discussed here before, but the most critical component in a survival situation is your attitude, and it is the one thing that you always have influence over.


Thanks for making the most critical point (IMO).

Attitude is the foundation of all your intentions. All you think, speak/write and do depends on your intentions which are founded 100% by your attitude.

Life is simple (now).

Either appreciate the gift of life we are given and have an attitude of gratitude, or we can continue to hate ourselves and each other... again, simple.

Everything of our future (all these scenarios) depends entirely on our individual attitudes.

I agree in principle with both posts. HOwever, I do not know if this is due to the mastering of the language, which I don't, but to me attitude is the way you decide to look at things, while intention is the guide that will make you do things or move towards something or just stay put sending waves of energy. However, to me, the intention IS the driving force, the force sustaining the work, not the other way around. (there seem to be a subtle mistake in this attitude approach Just, at least to me)

Intentions, when positive, usually provoke a positive attitude - at the minimum, it makes you aware of the negative attitude, since it may jeopardize the intention. Of course, you may have negative intention with a positive attitude to it, in order to have the intention take root, as PTB does, but in this case, the attitude is much more difficult to keep positive. So yes, they have a harder time at it, this is why they need our energies.

So, in resume, have positive and firm intentions, attitude will follow. And it is easier to work this way. My humble opinion of course.

[mariangela]

Dear Bill and all,

I have not yet read the recommended lectures. I want to make an experiment now and I hope you can understand me and accept my challange: I will just express my own feeling when I read about Threats in these Times of change. At first, thank you for your recommendations. I promise to read all the suggested lectures after this first answer from me and express my opinion and feelings.
Let me tell you another thing. I work on the Change since more than 25 years ago, and more systematically since 1987. I listen Camelot since many years ago and Avalon since it exists, and I also have many other sources of information with which I have learned to perceive what it fits or not with the new rising world I feel and preceive now.

I want to do this experiment, specially because in the last years I (and some of my friends with whom we speak about the changes) have got a perception of a type of Information, specially (but not allways) coming from the United States, that almost speak about War, a special kind of war, of Threat, of somekind of apocaliptical expectations, of Enemies and some kind of images that makes me very sceptical.

Sceptical because we are the creators of the world in which we live and the world we want, and the frames in which we understand and express this world, fix beforehand its profile. A very typical frame of many information "official or not" coming from the United States (but I repeat, not only) is that of Threat, Enemies and so on. May be I am wrong and there are those Threats and more, but... I am sure that the burden of that frames wouldn´t let me be part of the creators of the new world that is rising now.

My question to all of you is if in the source countries / cultures (where you are embedded) , there is the tendency to a kind of distrust, Secret Services, Enemies wherever you look?

I am from an other culture (I am colombian, living 1 and 1/2 years ago in Germany) and may be usually confronted with difficulties... therefore, if you accept my challange I would like to express you what I perceive and promise you to express myself one more time (if you like it also) after reading the recommended lectures. I don´t expect to be some of your whistleblowers or someone unusual, no. What I only want is to understand better what we are doing together, because I certainly feel you are part of the rising world!

Mairangela

[Benimal]

Thanks for posting this material Bill. It would seem that as many have put it, **** is indeed hitting the fan.

One thing this has really got me thinking about is what one might say to their loved ones who live in high profile, potentially dangerous areas. What do we say to our family and friends who are hardened skeptics of this kind of information?

[SilentFeathers]

Survival, Evasion, and Recovery Multiservice Procedures for Survival, Evasion, and Recovery (pdf; June 1999) (http://seasonedcitizenprepper.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/FM-21-76-1-Survival-Evasion-Recovery.pdf)

This UNCLASSIFIED publication is designed to provide Service members (U.S. Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force) quick-reference survival, evasion, and recovery information. It is 106 pages long. Here are the summary words at the top of the "Quick Reference Checklist" from the opening pages:



S - Size up the situation, surroundings, physical condition, equipment.
U - Use all your senses
R - Remember where you are.
V - Vanquish fear and panic.
I - Improvise and improve.
V - Value living.
A - Act like the natives.
L - Live by your wits.

===

[ Mod-edit: added some more description. - Paul. ]

[Chester]

I haven't seen it discussed here before, but the most critical component in a survival situation is your attitude, and it is the one thing that you always have influence over.


Thanks for making the most critical point (IMO).

Attitude is the foundation of all your intentions. All you think, speak/write and do depends on your intentions which are founded 100% by your attitude.

Life is simple (now).

Either appreciate the gift of life we are given and have an attitude of gratitude, or we can continue to hate ourselves and each other... again, simple.

Everything of our future (all these scenarios) depends entirely on our individual attitudes.

I agree in principle with both posts. HOwever, I do not know if this is due to the mastering of the language, which I don't, but to me attitude is the way you decide to look at things, while intention is the guide that will make you do things or move towards something or just stay put sending waves of energy. However, to me, the intention IS the driving force, the force sustaining the work, not the other way around. (there seem to be a subtle mistake in this attitude approach Just, at least to me)

Intentions, when positive, usually provoke a positive attitude - at the minimum, it makes you aware of the negative attitude, since it may jeopardize the intention. Of course, you may have negative intention with a positive attitude to it, in order to have the intention take root, as PTB does, but in this case, the attitude is much more difficult to keep positive. So yes, they have a harder time at it, this is why they need our energies.

So, in resume, have positive and firm intentions, attitude will follow. And it is easier to work this way. My humble opinion of course.

Intentions come from something.

There has to be a foundation to one's intentions.

One, through a process of applying consistent, rigorous self honesty, can discover these foundations.

I have done this (and obviously still must do every at the level of every single thought, word I speak or write and what I do).

I have found all the foundations of my intentions to be dependent upon one and only one thing.

My attitude.

This may, or may not be true for you or anyone else.

It is 100% absolutely true for me.

And attitude is 100% a choice. Note, I did not say one's circumstances are a choice. I wrote "attitude."

That's is why I now love life. Because I choose to love life.

I also love the fact (a fact for me at least... this may not be a fact for you or anyone else), that I am a quantum being which, because I know this, makes me a "realized" quantum being.

That means that "i" live eternally as long as I wish to.

It also means that "i" am connected to all and the All.

Metaphorically this makes me (and I believe makes us all) "children of "god"" - that "thing" which I am (we are) is the greatest gift anyone could possibly be given and is far, far better than being "god."

All the above is solely my opinion based all and only upon my experience.

[ruisatriani]

Nice information. I guess, at least in my case, that now you have to start feeding of information at a very detailed level. i still remember those days where i was "eating" big chunks of incredible big picture info of the first Project Camelot interviews, but now... that's over, it seems to me. I have the feeling that now we are zooming in and is much harder to understand what to rely on or not than it was in the big picture information...

In any case, its a process, its like building a house from the architectural concept to the detail level.. it will all eventually and hopefully start to fit like a hole piece. Can't complain of having lots of info available for sure! :)

Once we are talking about info, and realizing myself that this is probably considered a babystep kind of book to this kinds of discussions, I can't resist to mention "Gods of Eden", which was a book that, at least for me in the early times, was an amazing read that always brings all your stuff into perspective. Maybe it has skipped to someone eventually and i just felt like reminding about it, although there are many many great books and information around.

And, of course, information is just the means for a better action.. and without action, everything is useless. (and this is to myself as well)

Cheers good people!
Rui

[mike464]

I will have to read a lot but worth it. thanks

[tnkayaker]

thank you for everything Bill, stay well.

[Chester]

I found this interesting comment in one of the links Bill pointed out here -

https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/25/ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why



Mike December 26, 2012 at 3:52 am

I hate to tell you this but it’s a load of bunk based on a lot of old books that has more to do with astrotheology and mythology than real events. The whole thing has been misinterpreted as being real when it is nothing more than a fairy tale based on the positions of the stars and planets in the sky who were personified as real people,

I went out at night to watch the stars at midnight of Dec 20th…. or you could say 12:01 am of Dec 21 and what I saw gave it all away. You see the moon was exactly due west and it looked like an eyeball…. also known as one of the eyes of Horus. You would have to read up on the 2 eyes of Horus to understand what I am talking about but basically just as the sun rises the moon is one of the eyeballs and is positioned over Sirius with the moon being the eyeball and Sirius being the socket and the sun is the other eyeball which is positioned in Orion which is the other eye socket. Thus you have the 2 eyes of Horus coming into view. in a rare astronomical event that only repeats this exact position every 25,920 years. In ancient times it was counted as day one in a calender called the great year which marks the 25,920 years of precession.

There is clear evidence of this when you decode the man in the middle of the Mayan calender round which is basically showing Orion the hunter or you could say the sun in Orion. The symbol around the man is the same symbol as the Illuminati compass and square which is also the symbol for Orion. One just has to look carefully in Orion and you can see the compass and square symbol there and this symbol clearly represents Orion. The same man is also described in the book of Ezekiel …. ” they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle”… the man in the middle is Orion the Hunter and when you view Orion from the southern hemisphere,,, the lion is on the right {constellation Leo} and the ox is on the left {constellation Taurus} and the Eagle is above which is the constellation Signus X3 known at the time as a swan which at the time was the position of the North pole star.. the part of the sky that never moves and everything in the sky revolves around that spot. The wheel within a wheel was merely representing the whole zodiac and not a UFO as some people have poorly misinterpreted this text.

You may ask why this is so significant?… well its because the stars move backwards against the sky and if you were to plant a cross in the ground and line it up with the sun in Orion on Dec 21 it would go out by one degree every 72 years and since there are 360 degrees in a complete circle it would take 360 x 72 = 25,920 years for the sun to come back to the same spot and line up exactly in the same position. .So now you know the real truth as to what this is all about. It’s a calender and nothing more.

Those fools who are hiding in caves and going to get a rude awakening because nothing is going to happen. They have been suckered into believing in someone elses false beliefs based on extremely poor misinterpretations of ancient texts that have been blown out of proportion by too many stupid people who have been brainwashed since birth into believing in something that is not real. People need to wake up and realize that just because someone writes something in a book that he truly believes in does not make it real… it only represents the views of the writer which in this case turned out to be completely mistranslated.

The problem is we are conditioned since birth to believe in what is written in books to be fact when most of the time they are not.

So the next time someone tries to tell you the world is going to end just give them the middle finger and stop being a sucker.
My intuition feels the same way - nothing is going to happen. Unfortunately, I am unable to know if this is my actual intuition or implanted thoughts. One thought I have to all this... a thought from me, a being that supposedly has the ability to create is - which of the two outcomes do "i" (the deepest me) want to experience?

This one is a no brainer - I want to see all the doomsday theories proven wrong.

I do my best to focus my imaginings and my intentions towards this goal.

[CosmicKat]

Thank you so much Bill for this much needed reading. I have read some of it but like you said, it will take time. I have tried very hard to pass on urgent information to my Friends and Family and I can tell you that many ppl do not want to hear of topics such as these. They basically live under a rock. However, I do have new contacts almost everyday and when I get the opportunity, I tell them just how important it is to listen to what's really happening around them.

Today's World is quite scary and sites like these wake people up. It is only when they are awake can they make a stand and we together can make a difference.

Since I have joined both PA and PC, I have prepared my household for anything that might come our way. Sites like these are invaluable.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi again, All:

I'm going to link to this thread here:

The Japanese Financial System Is Beginning To Spin Wildly Out Of Control (and why this is important) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59514-The-Japanese-Financial-System-Is-Beginning-To-Spin-Wildly-Out-Of-Control--and-why-this-is-important)

Reading the first post is not essential, but it may be important to get the general idea. This is directly connected with the information in the opening post of this thread.

My following comments are short enough to copy here:



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Here's why I started this thread. Since January, the insider 'guerilla' economist, known only as 'V', has been interviewed by Doug Hagmann (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/) several times now -- and has stated from the outset that he knows for a fact (insider information) that Japan will be the trigger for the destruction of the global economy.

Listen to this. It's just 5 minutes long, from Hagmann's interview on 23 March. The plan is explained, and it could not be more clear.

http://projectavalon.net/'V'_-_The_Plan_-_Doug_Hagmann_23_March_2013.mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/%27V%27_-_The_Plan_-_Doug_Hagmann_23_March_2013.mp3)


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There have been a number of financial analysts, as many reading this thread will know -- including mainstream ones -- who have stated clearly and on record in recent months that the situation is 100% irrecoverable and irreversible.

Lindsey Williams has claimed recently that he has been told there will be no melt-down for at least three months -- and that a date for the controlled demolition has not yet been decided. But it's possible that the house of cards may fall anyway.

In his most recent Doug Hagmann interview, this last Friday (24 May), 'V' advised Americans to leave the country if they can easily do so and already have a foothold (bank accounts, residency, etc) elsewhere. As many will know already, this is fundamentally why I am in Ecuador.

As early as January, when asked by Hagmann, 'V' explained that the crisis in America would be at best like the 1998 collapse of the Russian Ruble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Russian_financial_crisis) (austerity and soup lines, but in general orderly and with medical and supply chains intact) -- and at worst, all out civil war following a total collapse of the infrastructure. There is absolutely no doubt that this is what the DHS is preparing for.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I'm going to check up on you! If any of you do not have a stash of seeds within a few weeks, I am going to personally spray you with a hose until you wake up.

:~)

Dennis

I am with Dennis, and sprout, sprout, sprout, sprout, even the dried beans in your regular good old crap supermarket will sprout most of the times, if you can afford everything organic even better, if not a hundred bucks of dried seeds, lentils, beans can go a really long way just by eating them cooked, but sprouted and planted they can give you trees you can chew on just a little later, go ahead, plant a pea or a dried lentil, you will be pleasantly surprised.

[Bubu]

May I add mine?

Bicycle for transport.- Also you may Install an old fashioned dynamo use to power bicycle lighting; works by pressing on the wheel. This can be used to charge
battery packs which can be used for various purposes.

Battery packs -one or more for each bicycle. Can also be connected to solar panel grid

For drinking water- http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/hawaiirain/Library/Guides&Manuals/CAWST%20files/Biosand%20Filter%20Manual_Version%2010_Sep%2009%5B1%5D.pdf

magnifying glass -to start fire

Solar cooker and rocket stove that is fueled by small twigs- Save the trees.

Kelp -I harvest mine

ocean plasma -http://truthquest2.com/oceanplasma.htm

borax http://educate-yourself.org/cn/boraxconspiracy03jul12.shtml, http://www.nexusmagazine.co.nz/resources/Nexus1904Borax.pdf

Hydraulic Ram pump- if you are near a river or creek or spring

Rolled plastics -for your aqua phonics green house. Include aqua phonics supplies such as containers and water pump. Also include a CO2 generator in case atmospheric CO2 is captured which is very much likely. Another option is to get a small diesel engine to power various purposes. Can be fueled by small amount of diesel, Idle condition, and wood gas. 1 liter diesel = 4 kg wood. Exhaust is use to augment CO2 for green houses. Sources of mushroom spawn; mudfish or catfish fingerlings for aqua phonics. I have it all covered my family will surely survive. Not really as long as there are lose guns out there that don’t have food, Rick Grimes and company will never be safe.

Sea Salt- of course. Include for plants also http://www.ehow.com/how_6040322_fertilize-sea-salt.html http://www.gardenguides.com/135778-fertilize-sea-salt.html

Seeds. - I have seed trays made of wire mesh you can buy wire mesh and cut to desired size and folded at the sides. Every seed in our kitchen go into these trays once dried I pack them in plastics. Perennials such as papaya are preferred. http://www.guerrillagardening.org/ggseedbombs.html http://www.permaculture.com/node/140
Although to be honest I do not know how we can grow our plants once they started capturing the CO2 in the air. You see this is the whole point of it. Once they collapse the economy people will be driven back to the land and of course the road back to self-sufficiency, in other words out of their control, and they knew it. The big picture from their perspective is this; collapse the economy; prevent them from producing their own food and offer a bladed solution.
I agree with the others let us not waste the opportunity to educate the others

[jiminii]

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Hi again, All:

I'm going to link to this thread here:

The Japanese Financial System Is Beginning To Spin Wildly Out Of Control (and why this is important) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59514-The-Japanese-Financial-System-Is-Beginning-To-Spin-Wildly-Out-Of-Control--and-why-this-is-important)

Reading the first post is not essential, but it may be important to get the general idea. This is directly connected with the information in the opening post of this thread.

My following comments are short enough to copy here:



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Here's why I started this thread. Since January, the insider 'guerilla' economist, known only as 'V', has been interviewed by Doug Hagmann (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/) several times now -- and has stated from the outset that he knows for a fact (insider information) that Japan will be the trigger for the destruction of the global economy.

Listen to this. It's just 5 minutes long, from Hagmann's interview on 23 March. The plan is explained, and it could not be more clear.

http://projectavalon.net/'V'_-_The_Plan_-_Doug_Hagmann_23_March_2013.mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/%27V%27_-_The_Plan_-_Doug_Hagmann_23_March_2013.mp3)


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There have been a number of financial analysts, as many reading this thread will know -- including mainstream ones -- who have stated clearly and on record in recent months that the situation is 100% irrecoverable and irreversible.

Lindsey Williams has claimed recently that he has been told there will be no melt-down for at least three months -- and that a date for the controlled demolition has not yet been decided. But it's possible that the house of cards may fall anyway.

In his most recent Doug Hagmann interview, this last Friday (24 May), 'V' advised Americans to leave the country if they can easily do so and already have a foothold (bank accounts, residency, etc) elsewhere. As many will know already, this is fundamentally why I am in Ecuador.

As early as January, when asked by Hagmann, 'V' explained that the crisis in America would be at best like the 1998 collapse of the Russian Ruble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Russian_financial_crisis) (austerity and soup lines, but in general orderly and with medical and supply chains intact) -- and at worst, all out civil war following a total collapse of the infrastructure. There is absolutely no doubt that this is what the DHS is preparing for.



I just read something from ben fulford saying japan is going to drop the debt to USA since it is a debt created by printing paper and let USA have it's own debt ....

I am not a linguist but ... anyone know what he is talking about?

jim

[jiminii]

from ben fulford

The attacks on Japan’s economy are motivated by the fact the Abe government just announced $32 billion in economic assistance for Africa in a sign Japan is no longer handing its foreign currency to the cabal in order to finance Zionist wars. They are also motivated by the fact that Japan’s government has just begun to do the obvious and eliminate its “200% GDP debt” with the stroke of a pen. Well known mainstream economist Jeffery Sachs last week

admitted to this writer, at a Japan Foreign Correspondent’s Club press conference, that there was no theoretical reason why Japan’s government could not just print yen, buy up all the outstanding Japanese government bonds and put them in the garbage. Sachs, who heads the Earth Institute at Columbia University, was also very enthusiastic about the big Japanese plans to modernize Africa saying they were very concrete, detailed and realistic. Of course the corporate propaganda media representatives, or more likely their bosses, did not want to let the world know that Japan’s government had made a decision to break free from Sabbatean debt slavery. Unlike tiny Iceland, Japan is the world’s third largest economy and its biggest creditor nation. Its’ breaking of ranks with the G7 debt-slavery cabal is truly historical.

[sygh]

from ben fulford

The attacks on Japan’s economy are motivated by the fact the Abe government just announced $32 billion in economic assistance for Africa in a sign Japan is no longer handing its foreign currency to the cabal in order to finance Zionist wars. They are also motivated by the fact that Japan’s government has just begun to do the obvious and eliminate its “200% GDP debt” with the stroke of a pen. Well known mainstream economist Jeffery Sachs last week

admitted to this writer, at a Japan Foreign Correspondent’s Club press conference, that there was no theoretical reason why Japan’s government could not just print yen, buy up all the outstanding Japanese government bonds and put them in the garbage. Sachs, who heads the Earth Institute at Columbia University, was also very enthusiastic about the big Japanese plans to modernize Africa saying they were very concrete, detailed and realistic. Of course the corporate propaganda media representatives, or more likely their bosses, did not want to let the world know that Japan’s government had made a decision to break free from Sabbatean debt slavery. Unlike tiny Iceland, Japan is the world’s third largest economy and its biggest creditor nation. Its’ breaking of ranks with the G7 debt-slavery cabal is truly historical.

Without too much speculation, this makes sense. Regardless of the source, (Fulford generally brings about an argument) I don't picture Japan being stagnant - like a deer caught unexpectedly in the headlights. They aren't hand-wringers.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

An update is called for, even if only to bump the thread for the attention of new members.

I'm personally delighted that "nothing has happened yet". No WW III has started in Syria, no catastrophic False Flag event in North America, no global financial collapse, no nationwide race riots across the US. Much to appreciate, truly and sincerely.

-- However:

I'm personally convinced that everything I summarized in my opening post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55445-Essential-reading-for-all-Avalonians&p=631930&viewfull=1#post631930) applies and is valid. Here are my current views, as of the beginning of August 2013:


An economic collapse (and engineered global reset) is inevitable, and the current quadrillion-dollar-derivative house of cards cannot stay standing for very much longer.



Yesterday's announced US drop in unemployment figures to 7.4% was heralded as good news, but if that downward trend continues in the next announcement on Friday 6 September, the Fed could announce tapering of Quantitative Easing -- and what that might trigger is a rise in bond prices and the equivalent of the US declaring war (intended or otherwise) on the other major global economies.



Japan's economy, arguably the most fragile and vulnerable, could then collapse quite suddenly, and then we might have this scenario as the dominoes fall right across the globe: (5 mins, Must Listen, a summary from Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle's 'insider economist' contact known as 'V', an extract from a 23 March radio interview):

http://projectavalon.net/Insider_Economist_V_describing_the_Plan_23_March_2013.mp3



In the meantime, Hagmann's senior DHS insider contact (see my opening post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55445-Essential-reading-for-all-Avalonians&p=631930&viewfull=1#post631930) for references) has said nothing to counter-indicate all his earlier warnings that what was being planned: the worst case scenario being some kind of martial law following a major banking collapse (possibly combined with deliberately provoked race riots across the country), the best case scenario being something like the 1998-99 collapse of the Russian Ruble, which featured widespread austerity, bread lines, but maintenance of essential services and no major violence.


My personal advice to everyone:


Don't allow yourself to get complacent. (That's a real trap.)
Be prepared -- either domestically, or research viable possibilities for leaving the US if that is where you are.
Being prepared includes safeguarding your financial assets. Remember that anything in digital form can disappear literally overnight.
Keep yourselves closely informed.
We're by no means out of any woods yet, and may have to travel through them to get to the other side.

[SilentFeathers]

Hi Bill, I'm not quite convinced that they are going to pull the plug on the economy this year, but, it is wise to be prepared regardless as things are VERY unpredictable right now.

We've been basically hearing the same fear-mongering predictions of the house of cards falling every day since about the end of 2007 or early 2008......5 years later it's still together, being held together with duct-tape none the less, but it's still "being managed" and propped up.

I personally do not think some of these insiders know much more than some of us "outsiders" do who are just merely paying attention and watching the signs....."watching the signs" is key, not listening to the "wolf criers".

An interesting sign right now is the closing of many if not all of the embassy's in N. Africa and the Middle East starting tomorrow on Obama's birthday...(just a coincidence it's his birthday too I'm sure). This is an obvious distraction IMO and while the sorcerer is pointing his finger at one thing the other hand is usually grabbing a hidden weapon or something of that nature (preparing to do harm). I think it's ridiculous to believe that they got some intell about an attack but wait several days to "evacuate" suspected targets and inform the world about this threat. What a fricking joke!

I suspect we will see something happen real soon, perhaps within days or a week or so, but it will not be the economy collapsing IMO. Probably some savior stepping in and stopping the biggest planned attack since 911.....the saviors name will be Obama. That, or possibly another war starting, perhaps Israel is about to snap and do something stupid.

[ThePythonicCow]

We've been basically hearing the same fear-mongering predictions of the house of cards falling every day since about the end of 2007 or early 2008......5 years later it's still together, being held together with duct-tape none the less, but it's still "being managed" and propped up.

One cannot really judge the likelihood of a disaster scenario by how long the doom sayers predicting it have been wrong.

One can judge potential doom scenarios by how avoidable they are, and how serious they are.

Some scenarios are like a massive solar coronal mass ejection that directly targets earth. We may or may not know the probability ahead of time, but nothing (in the publicly known sciences) is going to stop it once it starts.

Some scenarios are like nuclear holocaust. The right humans making the right decisions at the right time can just not push the "big red button", and that stops it from happening. Despite decades of people worrying about it, it never happened.

Some scenarios are like the financial collapse we face. That one will be human caused, of course, but in my view, it's no longer avoidable. The financial house of cards has been stacked so high, and with such fragility, culminating in gargantuan interlocking derivative swaps, that we have now passed the point of no return. This house of cards will collapse. It can neither be sustained indefinitely, nor be disassembled gracefully. We're just waiting to see when it collapses, and what will be the aftermath.

The attacks by weapons of mass destruction, whether biological, chemical, nuclear or radiological, that Todd describes may or may not occur, for all I know. There is someone, somewhere, who can make the decision to stop any such attack.

The financial collapse is already baked in the cake. Individually we each get to determine how well prepared we are to ride out the storm, and collectively, we can work to lessen the damage and build a better world in the aftermath.

[Sunny-side-up]

The wife and I have already made one move in the last year, from a fairly major metropolitan area where I grew up and spent most of my life, to a much lesser one. Very soon we are moving again, a few hundred miles away, to a MUCH less populated area. Basically rural, in eastern Tennessee USA. This is not based in fear, but simply in seeing the handwriting on the wall, and feeling the "bad" juju in the air. We hopefully will have enough money to buy 3, maybe even 5 acres of land to grow fruit and vegetables, have chickens for eggs, a creek and a well for water, that sort of thing. A nice simple existance.

Life goes on in the meantime, and always will. Until...Whatever...For our grandparents it was simple common sense to be self sufficient, and prepared for an emergency. To also be prepared to help others in need if possible.

Hi Fred and gratz on your moves of home and towards self sufficiency.
You are moving from one big problem (Having Food) to another big problem (Having Food) 0;o
Anyone with land and food had better be ready to defend their stock/stach and them self's.

If things get so bad and people go hungry savagery could come next.
And if it looks like enough people become self sufficient maybe PTB will send out plain clothed disrupt-er gangs disguised as hungry joe's who wan't food with force!

Not trying to put a downer on things but what I have just mentioned muct be calculated in, in a country wide situation like what might be coming...

Love you all, stay lucky, Stay true to your enlightened self...

[Battleaxe]

Thanks so much for this. As a newbie I'm finding my way around here and looking for avenues to explore. This is extremely useful!

[Sunny-side-up]

Polar Bear Starves To Death From Climate Change, Scientists Say

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/06/polar-bear-climate-change-picture_n_3712751.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Climate Changes Fuel Civil Strife And Global Conflict, Says New Report

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/01/world-conflict-fueled-by-climate-change_n_3691379.html

Examples include domestic assaults in India and Australia, murders in the US and Tanzania, ethnic conflict in Europe and southern Asia, and civil strife throughout the tropics.
Changes in weather patterns were also linked to the collapse of Mayan and Chinese empires.
A future temperature rise of 2C due to global warming could increase the rate of intergroup conflict by more than 50%, it is claimed.
The scientists used new methods to re-analyse data collected from 60 existing studies looking at the effect of climate on human conflict and violence.
"The results were striking," said lead researcher Dr Solomon Hsiang, from the University of California at Berkeley.
"We need to understand why climate changes cause conflict so we can help societies adapt to these events and avoid the violence. At the same time, we should carefully consider whether our actions today are making our children's world a more dangerous one."
The study adopted a broad definition of conflict and assessed how aspects of climate such as rainfall, drought and temperature relate to various forms of violence.
Three sources of conflict were identified by the researchers: personal violence and crime such as murder, assault, rape and domestic abuse; intergroup violence and political instability such as civil wars and riots, and institutional breakdowns including the collapse of entire civilisations.
All three categories showed "systematic and large" responses to changes in climate, with the impact on intergroup violence being the strongest.
Conflict patterns were most affected by temperature. All 27 studies of modern societies found a positive association between higher temperatures and greater violence.


Thanks Bill for all your collating of info in this post.

It truly looks like we got our hands full in coming times, hell of a lot to deal with.
What goes around, comes around ha!
R U N to the Hills, R U N for your (OUR) lives Doh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geHLdg_VNww[/url]

First WE ran with the flock, killing and rapeing the planet (It's how we got to here and now).
Now the flocks (Us, you and me) Demonic leaders have no one left to do it to other than us!
(We have become a waste product),

So now it's our time to run to the Hills! to dig in and survive!

Thanks anyone for adding awareness and hopeful info and links to this and many other posts throughout Avalon!!!

The Material realm does need cleansing,
BUT not of us, but of the you know who!

Earth has held back it's own evolution for our sake, now it needs to move on for it's sake. We need to expand our own awareness and own evolution to be able to grow and move with her!

It is us who are on the Golden, Righteous path and deserve to move with Earth as she grows, as the: Solar System, Galaxy and Universe around us grows, all of which we are all totally part of and can be one with.
This is not a place for the you know who Demons!

Sorry all I'm getting a tad over emotional here,
I'm trying to end my addition on a happy positive note.

So just remember this is all an illusion and we are evolving using this illusion to expand and grow in ways that we only can do in a material environment.
We are Golden immortal souls of: infinite, countless, unlimited, unbounded, immeasurable, vast, endless possibilities! the demons are not...

When it flips so shall we!
We will gather on the flip side, bigger and better than ever before.

Love, Light and Hugs

[Lifebringer]

Bill, could you PM me with a price. Hubby and I would appreciate it. Maybe worth missing a few side effect drug money, to obtain at least the ability to keep a diary of what happens. WE don't have the caves, to leave what the situation is, nor who the culprits are. So I think as some above had said, that this is a 1st for this solar system Sun 12 planetoid system. If so, even the ptw, doesn't know the moves, benevolents aren't guided by the negative, but are well aware of it's costs, and will not allow them to destroy anything, 'anymore." I hope so, but I'd like to protect my electronic equipment so when the electric technology revolution comes on line with 0 point, or electro=magnetic hits the grids. May not have many servers but as usual, the big boys equipment and satelites, may still be intact, just fried or melted. So it will take the new technology, to launch the new, when ISON or other pass as has been foretold. I imagine mt sat/coms will come back first.
Old radio's that work, may be wise to keep on hand with band width.

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's a MUST LISTEN interview with Ann Barnhardt, who closed down her brokerage firm last year in the wake of the MS Global collapse saying (essentially) that the system was terminally and irreversibly crooked and unstable, and she was no longer in a position to protect her clients.

You go, Girl! Enjoy this barnstorming, highly articulate, meticulously well-informed diatribe. And the conclusion she states, crystal clearly and in style, is that the US economy will be intentionally brought down from within.

Send this to everyone you know who still has money in the digital system. As Ann says: "To those people who do not know what GET OUT means, I can't help you."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqDSe5Dh8s

[pyrangello]

Nice listen on the financial status of where were at now ,and now hide the fact that were increasing our debt but we can't count anymore, one day the American people will wake up ,when that happens it will be too late for recovery and will be an ugly time/game of reset. Hang on boys and girls it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

The Daily Treasury Statement for Aug. 12, released Tuesday afternoon, says the debt remained stuck at exactly $16,699,396,000,000 during the first 12 days of this month, too.

On May 17, the first day the Treasury reported that the debt had hit exactly $16,699,396,000,000--and was thus just $25 million below the legal limit--Treasury Secretary Lew sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying he was beginning to implement what he called "the standard set of extraordinary measures" to prevent the Treasury from exceeding the legal limit on the federal debt.

Since Lew sent that letter--announcing that he would use "extraordinary measures"--the debt has remained stuck at exactly $16,699,396,000,000 for 87 straight days.

That includes all 31 days in July when Lew's Treasury says it was running a $98 billion deficit.

When Lew stops using "extraordinary measures" to keep the debt at exactly $16,699,396,000,000, the government will have another debt-limit crisis.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

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Here's a MUST LISTEN interview with Ann Barnhardt, who closed down her brokerage firm last year in the wake of the MS Global collapse saying (essentially) that the system was terminally and irreversibly crooked and unstable, and she was no longer in a position to protect her clients.

You go, Girl! Enjoy this barnstorming, highly articulate, meticulously well-informed diatribe. And the conclusion she states, crystal clearly and in style, is that the US economy will be intentionally brought down from within.

Send this to everyone you know who still has money in the digital system. As Ann says: "To those people who do not know what GET OUT means, I can't help you."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqDSe5Dh8s

going to listen now. thanks for this.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Is it really worth buying gold and silver? I am considering it. Has anyone else done this?

[Soda]

Nice listen on the financial status of where were at now ,and now hide the fact that were increasing our debt but we can't count anymore, one day the American people will wake up ,when that happens it will be too late for recovery and will be an ugly time/game of reset. Hang on boys and girls it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

The Daily Treasury Statement for Aug. 12, released Tuesday afternoon, says the debt remained stuck at exactly $16,699,396,000,000 during the first 12 days of this month, too.

On May 17, the first day the Treasury reported that the debt had hit exactly $16,699,396,000,000--and was thus just $25 million below the legal limit--Treasury Secretary Lew sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying he was beginning to implement what he called "the standard set of extraordinary measures" to prevent the Treasury from exceeding the legal limit on the federal debt.

Since Lew sent that letter--announcing that he would use "extraordinary measures"--the debt has remained stuck at exactly $16,699,396,000,000 for 87 straight days.

That includes all 31 days in July when Lew's Treasury says it was running a $98 billion deficit.

When Lew stops using "extraordinary measures" to keep the debt at exactly $16,699,396,000,000, the government will have another debt-limit crisis.

FINALLY!!!! Someone else who is pointing this out. Thank you!!

[Soda]

Is it really worth buying gold and silver? I am considering it. Has anyone else done this?

We bought silver (physical, not paper) in 2010 at around 19 per oz. and jumped on it again this year when it dropped.

[Bill Ryan]

Is it really worth buying gold and silver? I am considering it. Has anyone else done this?

We bought silver (physical, not paper) in 2010 at around 19 per oz. and jumped on it again this year when it dropped.

Silver makes a lot of sense. It's liquid enough (i.e. exchangeable and useful enough) to act as an alternative currency in a crisis. An ounce of silver could buy you a bunch of food if your family needs it. If you only have an ounce of gold, you might not get the change!

Silver is also used in manufacturing and industry, so has real value. And compared to gold, it's very probably undervalued at the moment (though both silver AND gold are undervalued tight now, of course). It really is a good time to buy.

In short, silver could readily be used DURING a crisis. Gold may be most valuable AFTER a crisis. And if you're fortunate enough to have a lot of either, gold is much easier to move or conceal. $10,000 of silver needs someone to help you carry it! But $10,000 of gold you can put in your pocket, your wallet or your shoes.

[mindreeder]

Thanks Bill for the recommendations. I'm new, so I have a lot of catchup reading to do.

Also, the solar flare threat is very real. Clairvoyance seems to be one of your gifts.

Cheers

[TruthSeekerNotJudger]

Thank You very much Bill!

Very Interesting stuff as always...Thank you for sticking with The TruthSeekers!

[Dorishaktiblue]

Dear Bill, Kerry and All,

Im sorry that I haven't figured out how to reply without quote. I don't see an option for that.

I started reading the suggested material and listened to the Power Hour interview of Mike Powers, the gun expert and investigator of the Sandy Hook shootings. He had excellent info on the lack of evidence for the theory of Adam Lanza, the lone shooter, as promulgated by the authorities and the media. I noticed a definite trend of Obama hating and disparaging remarks about "liberals" in his remarks, unchallenged by Joyce Riley, the host. He sneered about liberal Senator Diane Feinstein running to enact gun control days after the attack.

Until the rose colored glasses came off my eyes during Obama's first term, and I realized it was "Meet the New Boss Same as the Old Boss", I would have been in that crowd. IF crazy people ARE getting access to military type assault weapons, some restriction and registration of gun ownership is rational common sense.

Now I believe that Obama was either a ringer from the beginning (he is a cousin to Dick Cheney on his mother's side and joked about it in the primary campaign in Iowa in 2007), or he was beaten with a rubber hose right after his first inauguration and set straight about whose really running things. That said, owning guns is only a small part of the answer to the situation we find ourselves in. Truthfully, if the government wants you and you are holed up in your ranch in Montana with your guns, they will get you. (see Waco Texas and the ATF) The solution is in a much bigger spiritual arena. It includes spiritual development to access large doses of love and understanding of our enemy, backed up by courage and integrity, as well as large doses of love and understanding of our brothers and sisters of all political persuasions, ethnicities and nationalities. This is a problem for our whole planet, as Bill and Kerry have connected so well those dots for us.

I wrote to Joyce, the interviewer on the Power Hour, with a critique containing some of the above points. She liked my history and insights and the fact that I am an ayurvedic physician and has asked me to come on her show to talk about Ayurveda. But the more I listen, the more I am hesitant.

Do these Libertarians really believe that Obama is the devil and Bush was ok? This is what bothers me. There is an element of racism in that crowd. And the idea that "socialism" or "communism" is the ideology that threatens us is complete nonsense.

What is happening now is paralleling what happened in Germany before the Nazis took over. We know from the history learned viewing Bill and Kerry's work, that is no exaggeration. Those same Nazis were given refuge in our own government. When the corporate elite (backed by the Illuminati) own the government and seek to solve their "labor and dissident problems" we get a militarized government and work camps. If this is allowed to happen, it will be Nazi Germany on crack given the complete confusion of an uneducated populace, who have been propagandized for a full 10 years since 9/11.

My neighbor believes that Hitler was a communist. She is very upset and knows something is wrong, but has done no independent research. She believes the socialists, and the lazy people on welfare who don't want to work, are causing the problem. She is so confused she thinks Edward Snowden should be hung. She says she doesn't need any government, but then I reminded her that without government we have no military, or fire department or postal service. Then she was more confused and more angry because she had no rational reply to my rational argument.

I think that in the essential ways, the progressive left and the libertarian right have come and met on the other side of the circle. But many of our libertarian brothers and sisters are a bit confused themselves. They, like the masses, love to have someone to hate, someone who is the enemy. They glorify guns and the military and really don't have much of an answer for how to protect the poor unlanded underclass, who are, in some cases, different ethnically from themselves.

I don't think I can come on a show like Joyce's unless I have a little soapbox time to explore who really is the enemy and the best way to deal with our situation, TOGETHER, as a world family.

My dear friend Henry, an avowed Marxist, recently told me a little known fact that delighted and surprised me. According to Karl Marx, the endgame of a communist society would be no government at all. It would no longer be needed.

:cool:



Dear All,

Here's my own perspective on recommended reading. It's what I personally feel is of great importance -- as a summary of what we may be facing in the relatively near future. (By that, I mean something like the next 2-6 months from now, 7 Feb 2013.)

Of course, there's a great deal more to understand and absorb. It's fine for readers to make recommendations about important aspects that you may feel I've missed. I also fully acknowledge that many of you will already be quite familiar with what follows.

The purpose of this thread is to see if we can get ourselves all more or less on to the same page. We are necessarily of different personalities, different backgrounds, different skill-sets, even different generations, and have different purposes on Planet Earth this lifetime. But we have to assume that we are all on the same side here in what is an enormous game, contest, or battle: pick your metaphor of choice.

Here, I'm more or less focused on practicalities. In my opinion, you should be too. Your personal and spiritual development and learning parallels this. There are many aspects of Avalon which focus on and support this. That's all good, as it's part of our purpose.

But there are real threats before us. The frog-in-the-saucepan analogy applies. We should not be just spectators. The alternative media (including these words you're reading right now) is not just more entertainment and material for idle discussion, like alternative TV.

We can't just be consumers of interesting information, as if we're watching the ultimate reality show. We have to act, to take responsibility, to do stuff. Don't just watch.

Some of you will have a mission to inform others, and that's understood. But if we're ALL just informing one another, and doing nothing, the incestuousness becomes futile and of little use. One of the axes I grind about the alternative media, and the overwhelming plethora of radio shows, is that so many commentators spend so much time interviewing each other.

This overwhelming tsunami of information -- quite a lot of which is noise -- is simply too much for any person to keep up with. (This is part of the value of the Avalon Forum: an able, focused group working together to present a filtered, predigested synthesis. This thread is a part of that.)

As long ago as 2008, Kerry Cassidy and I were discussing whether Project Camelot's work was essentially complete. For those who may not know the history, this was the genesis of Project Avalon, which was always envisioned to be providing solutions, facilitating networks and personal connections, and offering sources of practical information.

That's because the problem statement is this:

If there exists a powerful, amoral [or worse], unimaginably wealthy group controlling the planet, with classified highly advanced technology at their disposal, whose origins go back thousands of years and longer, who are allied with or used by ET races who do NOT have the interests of the human race at heart and who are defying any existing non-interference agreements, who are psychically adept, are trained in and practice technologically amplified black magic, and who regard you and me as the enemy...

...Then what are we going to do about it?

Here are my suggestions.

1) Inform yourselves about all the basics, and in particular (because it's practically important right now) what I reference at the foot of this article.

2) Protect yourselves and those you care about in practical terms. That may extend to:

independence from regular infrastructure if this should suddenly fail
moving out of harm's way if you currently live in a non-optimum location, while you still have the freedom to do so, and if this is in alignment with your personal purpose
working in whatever ways you can to counter and re-define the existing probable timeline(s).

The last of these is important. Some of you are practical hard-skilled people who have no natural ability, training or experience in these areas, and this is fine. Among the mods team, I'm sure they won't mind my saying, that would include Paul and Ilie. Those guys are heroes in a different quarter. If it were not for them, Avalon cold not function as securely and smoothly as it does. They are of immense value to the wider team here. We are not asking of them that they are also white magicians. :)

But some of you are. You know who you are. It IS possible to influence events, individuals and groups, to heal the individuals involved, and dismantle the control structure as rapidly as it's being assembled. A large number of people are doing this, and I know many of them personally. A number are members of Avalon (and some of toss people operate very quietly and do not attract any attention to themselves) but many are operating independently in diverse groups all over the world and in many different cultures, using many different techniques. (As an aside, you may be interested to know that there's an enormous amount of positive activity currently taking place in Russia.)

All this has delayed the roll-out of planned events. The timeline is already significantly different from that foreseen in (for instance) T1V83 (http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html). (That was very real. Kerry and I were briefed, off camera, for five hours about that. We were left in absolutely no doubt that this was not imaginary.

But the variant timeline has so proved to be very different again. It's important to remember, each morning we awake, that NOTHING REALLY BAD HAS HAPPENED YET. This is not good fortune, or the acts of God, or the ETs, or the mistakes of the insiders. People like you have together been hauling at the rudder to change the direction of the supertanker. And it's been working.

And now we come to the principal theme of this article.

Like a solar cycle with very few sunspots (and I'll say a little more about this later), we may now be heading into a period of escalated activity that could threaten everything we've grown used to. This is what this heads-up is about.

http://projectavalon.net./2013_The_Year_America_Dies_sm.jpg

Essential reading:

1) From Dave Hodges of The Common Sense Show (a very measured and well-written article):

Part One:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/25/ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why

Part Two:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/27/why-ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding

2) This information (as Dave Hodges states) dovetails closely with the Doug Hagmann ('Rosebud') information which emerged a few days earlier:

Part One:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

Part Two:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

This all fits with known scenarios and situations. This is what I was expecting earlier last year (2012), but which may now have been deferred or delayed till now.

3) The two hour interview with insider economist "V", archived here:

http://projectavalon.net/Steve_Quayle_Doug_Hagmann_and_V_11_Jan_2013.mp3

4) The latest from DHS insider 'Rosebud', which I'd been waiting for since Christmas, published in full on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55370-Confirmed-Forums-under-attack-from-23-Jan-2013--DHS-Insider-source

The original reference is here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666

This lays it all out, as plain as day. The pieces all fit together. Those of you following the very weird, anomalous and suspicious Sandy Hook incident will have seen all the signs. 'Rosebud' summarizes that we should expect:

a) Possibly as early as April, a sudden collapse of the US economy. Insider economist "V" describes this also [see (3) above], saying that the best case scenario will be like the 1999 collapse of the Russian Ruble (great austerity, soup and bread lines, but infrastructure intact) -- and the worst case would be full-blown civil war.

http://projectavalon.net/Steve_Quayle_Doug_Hagmann_and_V_11_Jan_2013.mp3

One of the actions to take here is to get out of all paper investments. Note that gold stocks are not gold! Liquid, small-denomination gold and silver coins are smart to hold. Insider-connected people that know what's about to happen are investing in practical equipment, stored food, hard resources, and farmable land. Anything left over is in precious metals.

"V" states that after a period of apparently wild fluctuations around the current prices, silver will shoot up to $500-600, gold to $4000-6000. I can understand this, as I have first-hand confirmation that (as "V" says) there's barely any inventory anywhere. There's very little physical gold and silver to buy right now, and prices are certainly artificially suppressed.

But, as George Green has always advised, the best investment may be in land, equipment, spare parts, and useful practical stuff. There may come a point where gold and silver will only be practically useful at the END of the emergency. (Always think: who will buy it from you?)

b) A set-up/ false-flag incident or situation intended to publicly demonize government-critical 'fringe groups' such as survivalists, sovereigns, patriots, constitutionalists, gun rights advocates, and other 'domestic terrorists' -- maybe even all lumped together.

c) Another Sandy Hook type incident -- maybe escalated to be far more apparently horrific.

d) (Already rolled out on 23 January) -- the start of subversive and disruptive action against a large number of online groups and individuals, certainly including the Avalon Forum and some members within it. (There is strong reason to believe that when this proved to be ineffective, due to Avalon's strong membership firewalls, the action was excavated to a different level, one that 'Rosebud' does not mention or does not know about, which features technologically-amplified psychic attacks on targeted individuals. See this important three part interview if you're in any doubt about the reality of this technology:


http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_3.mp3

e) Some deaths of activists, intended as warnings to the alternative community. (This too seems to have begun already, and I suspect there will be more).

Finally, I promised I'd say a word about solar activity. In summary: so far, so good. Watch http://spaceweather.com for alerts and updates. I've heard nothing more from my insider source who warned me of an 1859-scale solar event anticipated for early this year (i.e. round about now). If we make it safely through to the end of summer, risks of a major destructive CME [Coronal Mass Ejection] may be pretty much over.

In the meantime, I have a bunch of military-grade EMP bags (http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/pc/EMP-Protection-c128.htm), which are really quite cheap, ready on hand to protect any critical electronics. You may only need a few, and they'll last forever.

So that's it. Please read the above through as many times as it takes to really understand this. And please do read all the linked articles and listen to all the audios. (It'll take a little time, but I promise it's worth it.)

And finally, as I've said many times, the mods and admins here do a quite stellar job. There HAVE been attacks on the forum, and we've been tracking them carefully. There are some very able people on the team, supported by a number of very able members behind the scenes. (You know who you are, and I thank you all.)

There's been a lot of work done already. The forum is in good shape, but we're agreed that there will almost certainly be more to come. All this may only just have started. Put on your lifejackets, and connect your safety lines: we're all on this journey together.

[Crystine]

I have just read this letter. I am a provisional member of the forum. So as yet I am not quite sure how much I can volunteer as input into a thread or in what way. I know that Avalon is not a forum to push a personal agenda. My difficulty is I have been saving experiences since I was about five years old. Now, when I read these letters and posts, so much of what I know is being filled in and put in order by other folks here. It is amazing. And, somewhat, overwhelming. A short story I can relate is about the starships spoke of in many threads. Has anyone experienced being the energy source for travel and also the navigation system, for want of a better word. I have repeated instances of being in stark seclusion. All consciousness being devoted to propelling and navigating a vessel. Through space and time. I think, instantaneously or close to it. Sounds corny. Huh. But I have been doing this since I was very young. As a child I was terrified. Can't say that it's is fun now. But several years ago, I pleaded my case. I asked to not draw that duty for a time. After that........it has not happened again. Any thoughts on this. From you, or anyone. I was a child in the 50s so there is no way these instances are influenced by information I am garnering now. Only, I am just beginning to understand my life up till now. Thanks for listening. It is so appreciated. Christine

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Christine Lizzi glad your here, you have navigated to a very special place this time, gratz.

Your post is very interesting to say the least, I think you and your journey here will add much worth!

[Crystine]

Sunny side up: I sincerely hope that even one person will be helped in their own search for understanding. And a place that they feel at home in. I am very outgoing. But even with a considerable amount of effort I usually felt lost. Yes, to keep a low profile. Sometimes it is not a choice. I am still not to comfy with putting my thoughts out there. They have been stored away for so long. Thanks for the welcome.

[Alpha Centaur]

Spot on!

That's why I am soon relocating to the edge of the Namibian desert in Southern Namibia to be independent from regular infrastructure and moving out of harm's way to this optimum location, while I still have the freedom to do so. This is also in alignment with my personal purpose as I believe there is work for me to still do. I am also working in whatever ways I can to counter and re-define the existing probable timeline(s) by informing other like-minded people about the info in the above post.

Johannesburg had a 4.0 magnitude earth quake this past Monday - something unheard of here. Earth is shouting ...

[ThoughtPulse]

i dont fear death really. i am not going to expend all of my energy running from something that may not happen. and if it does happen so be it. i will be dead... a soul.. my most powerful form... doesn't seem so bad to me.

[hangel]

i didnt feel like buying either silver or gold. besides, i haven't got any spare cash for that! But reading this trouble i feel that this isnt going to solve the problems because materials stuff can be taken away from you easily.
my family experienced a major fire in the household recently. Fire was caused by the firework set off by careless teenagers in early evening hours. I didnt think of taking anything with me apart from my son. I didnt care to pick up my passport, laptop, jewellery - which is a very small collection anyway, nothing... even i didnt put my coat on. There was little time and it did not actually cross my mind to stop and collect anything. All that was important was my son.. I was worried about the cat as i couldnt find her anywhere before i had to go. We were very lucky as all was extinguished before main fire reached the house. I see it as a test now. Test of my priorities.

With the financial crisis: ordo ab chao
They have to cause Chaos in order to present their solution. The Chaos is well prepared.

Ask yourself what to do. You WILL know. Leave fear behind and start creating reality by thinking the right thoughts.
Do i need a bunker? Should i buy excess of food/currency? Does death really exist? Are we afraid of changes? ... even if the change is for good but somebody is trying hard to make it look crap.

Listen to yourself.

[GuyFox]

I am a new member on the Forum, and this is only my second post.

Thanks to Bill Ryan for starting this excellent thread, and to everyone else who has posted here - what a Treasure House of information!

I agree with almost everything here, but there is one item in Bill's post of August 2013 that I feel obliged to respond to, and that is this one"

"An economic collapse (and engineered global reset) is inevitable, and the current quadrillion-dollar-derivative house of cards cannot stay standing for very much longer."

Does the Derivative Bubble really need to Burst?
I know that is a common perception, reported almost everywhere. But I have held senior derivatives positions with two of the largest banks in the world. That was over ten years ago, but I was once cited as an expert in the derivatives field, and I still have a well informed opinion.

The Risk of a Derivatives Disaster is way over-exaggerated IMHO. I say that because Derivatives risk is very different from Loan risk. The huge amounts mentioned, are not really money-at-risk of not being returned. They are just the size of bets not yet settled. So they need not crash the system. Sinnec when the settle, the amounts to be paid will be far, far smaller.

I can explain this in detail - and I started to do that - but the explanation is probably too long, and too complicated to paste here.

In short, great thread. Thanks. And I think we are all happy that the Fears have not yet materialized.

[Operator]

I am a new member on the Forum, and this is only my second post.

Thanks to Bill Ryan for starting this excellent thread, and to everyone else who has posted here - what a Treasure House of information!

I agree with almost everything here, but there is one item in Bill's post of August 2013 that I feel obliged to respond to, and that is this one"

"An economic collapse (and engineered global reset) is inevitable, and the current quadrillion-dollar-derivative house of cards cannot stay standing for very much longer."

Does the Derivative Bubble really need to Burst?
I know that is a common perception, reported almost everywhere. But I have held senior derivatives positions with two of the largest banks in the world. That was over ten years ago, but I was once cited as an expert in the derivatives field, and I still have a well informed opinion.

The Risk of a Derivatives Disaster is way over-exaggerated IMHO. I say that because Derivatives risk is very different from Loan risk. The huge amounts mentioned, are not really money-at-risk of not being returned. They are just the size of bets not yet settled. So they need not crash the system. Sinnec when the settle, the amounts to be paid will be far, far smaller.

I can explain this in detail - and I started to do that - but the explanation is probably too long, and too complicated to paste here.

In short, great thread. Thanks. And I think we are all happy that the Fears have not yet materialized.

Hi welcome GuyFox,

Great to see such courage to start of with a post like that.

I think there is a danger that by so much repetition of the same info also the alternative media and thinkers will
stay inside a (new) box.

I've repeated a few times now on this forum that Bill Cooper, a seasoned researcher, was convinced of an imminent
financial collapse in 1993. And yes, of course, we had several bubble bursts but nothing earth shattering as
portrayed then. Surely this isn't any guarantee that it won't happen in the future either ...
But maybe we should be more careful about the word 'inevitable'.

In another thread a graph was shown how the debt is rising exponentially with the question "where is it going to end".
Well, here's the news .... as long as no one calls "this is the end" it will go on forever.

Yeah, sure a loaf of bread will cost a few million dollar soon ... like in the Weimar republic but humanity didn't end there
either (lots of other stuff we shouldn't repeat did of course).

It will indicate again and again that all those printed dollars were worth nothing from the start and that we have been
fooling ourselves another time. Also this will repeated again and again until we get it.

[gripreaper]

The Risk of a Derivatives Disaster is way over-exaggerated IMHO. I say that because Derivatives risk is very different from Loan risk. The huge amounts mentioned, are not really money-at-risk of not being returned. They are just the size of bets not yet settled. So they need not crash the system. Sinnec when the settle, the amounts to be paid will be far, far smaller.

I can explain this in detail - and I started to do that - but the explanation is probably too long, and too complicated to paste here.

In short, great thread. Thanks. And I think we are all happy that the Fears have not yet materialized.

Thanks Guy Fox for your contribution to the derivatives collapse potential scenario. As novices, we may get our "terms" mixed up, and it appears that derivatives are leveraged bets against the underlying securities which are supported by a fiat debt system which must exponentially expand in order to continue without a collapse.

So, when looking at the potential for a collapse, of course it is monetary, and whether the catalyst is in the derivatives portion, the securities portion, or the initial Fed origination portion is not the relevant point, IMHO.

Watching the "amount and velocity" of fiat public debt instruments as they enter and move through commerce, and the distribution of these instruments, will tell more of the truthful tale as to the health and potential of the global system and whether there is a collapse engineered. The decrease in the money supply, the slowing of its velocity, and the distribution of these instruments on Wall Street and not in the main street economy, speaks volumes.

The fact that this puts pressure on the securities, which are nothing more than collateral to support loans, which are nothing more than debt, means that the alleged assets behind the ponzi do not really exist and can only cover about 10% or less of the leverage and that most securities and derivatives are naked.

If you shrink the money supply, you get implosion and deflation. If you increase the money supply, you get inflation, at least until everyone is tapped out. You ride this roller coaster until it does not matter how much you offer cheap loans if everyone is tapped out and cannot afford to service them and therefore no one gets loans.

That's when this will all get pretty interesting.

Please fill us in more about derivatives. Very interesting portion of the whole scenario. Welcome to Avalon.

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[GuyFox]

"Please fill us in more about derivatives. Very interesting portion of the whole scenario." - gripreader

If I lend you $100 Million, and you don't repay it, I have a big headache.

If I have a $100 Million Oil derivative with you, and your credit becomes poor, I may have NO worries - since what you owe me at maturity, if anything, will depend on how much oil moves.

Can you see that there is a big difference?
The "derivatives exposure" is the Size of the Bet, not the amount owed at maturity.

This is the essence of a longer explanation. Do you really want to see it?*

I have seen people writing in the press about Trillions or Quadrillions of "Derivatives Loan" exposure. I have no idea what that means, since a Derivative by its very nature is not a loan. So when I see this kind of story, I know the writer is confused or fear-mongering.

Right now, I am more concerned about a Currency Reset. And there were some big rumors flying that it was going to happen this weekend, or maybe within the next few weekends

=== ===
*If you do, then the explanation is long, and should probably go on a new or different thread.

[Nine]

Dearest Bill,

Those very Christians that some of these folks that many in the alternative media say are targeted are pure Zionists and so it makes little sense to me why DHS would go after them at all since most of them support the wars of aggression by the USG....

I am not going to say where I worked or who for but I can tell you on the local level homeland security is a serious joke and the notion of this group taking over America which is 3000 miles across and I did serious logistics and planing for a huge agency...

Yes indeed I believe your whistle blower is telling the truth that there are factions out there that want this sort of thing...

But where the rubber hits the road and huge logistics and supplies I see there plans lacking and hence the delays of implementation that we have yet to see...

Of course the American people will never give up there weapons and why should they?

So now a war...and we get destroyed by the Russians....maybe....

But what I saw of homeland security locally was a total joke and pay back in that scenario would be a total bitch for them....as it were...

The Old Navy commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0G3SgQdHOc

Seriously that is the kind of folks that work for that agency and that is no lie!

Will the US Military go along? Will they? Or will they go yoyo(your on your own)? Military men have family's also...and older military men are thinking of that 20 and out pension...as it were...

Many questions and fewer answers and one needs to chin up since I believe mental weaknesses is what they want us to have and I know what they can and can't do logistically speaking....they want us so afraid that we would give up at the first signs of any fight...

It is not over by a long shot and the fat lady always sings at the end of the fourth act....

I simply do not personally trust Dave Hodges and Steve Quayle since I have been reading their stuff for years and Mr. Quayle seems to be a radical fundamentalist Christian which I used to be and I understand his communications and hidden messages to the Christian community....am I correct? who knows yet I just thought I would share my honest opinion about these folks....

What I can say for sure is that all is not right in America and the ABC's do not hold the interests of the people nor most of the US government.....what to do about Godzilla?

Don't know frankly....


Nine

[Nine]

"Please fill us in more about derivatives. Very interesting portion of the whole scenario." - gripreader

If I lend you $100 Million, and you don't repay it, I have a big headache.

If I have a $100 Million Oil derivative with you, and your credit becomes poor, I may have NO worries - since what you owe me at maturity, if anything, will depend on how much oil moves.

Can you see that there is a big difference?
The "derivatives exposure" is the Size of the Bet, not the amount owed at maturity.

This is the essence of a longer explanation. Do you really want to see it?*

I have seen people writing in the press about Trillions or Quadrillions of "Derivatives Loan" exposure. I have no idea what that means, since a Derivative by its very nature is not a loan. So when I see this kind of story, I know the writer is confused or fear-mongering.

Right now, I am more concerned about a Currency Reset. And there were some big rumors flying that it was going to happen this weekend, or maybe within the next few weekends

=== ===
*If you do, then the explanation is long, and should probably go on a new or different thread.


Dearest Guy,

You post about reality and I understand very little about your reality of finance....and so what you post makes much sense....

Are things right? Hardly but a total collapse? How would anyone make a buck if the whole shebang comes down and so everyone operates upon ones own self interest....

And so many insure a risky investment....is this bad? Don't know but....I have mega insurance upon my house and car and life for that...ahem event....me bad?

No, I don't think so since my self interest is to provide for my family....as it were...I understand that...

Interesting stuff Guy you should check out the stuff that Wade Frazier posts here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet

Wade says that everything revolves around economics and of course he is brilliant and I have trouble keeping up with him and of course you might find his writings relevant....


Nine

[yelik]

Hi Bill
I am a new member.

Thank you for this invaluable information and support for free thinking people that seek to further enhance their knowledge and understanding of a world that has lost its way. Once people are informed and better understand what has and is going on I for one feel compelled to do everything I can. Not least for my family and friends but future generations, if you are a good person at heart, you do not need any special knowledge or skills to know what is right from wrong. Spreading ‘the word’ is not always easy when most people are just not bothered or just too busy with everyday things.

From a practical point of view I have written to a number of UK MP's and senior Ministers, although I wasn't expecting replies to my rather no holds barred but factually correct and honest letters. At least they know I know and will have caused them to stop and think. The lack of response indicates to me they have no answers because they don’t know, or are too scared and concerned for their careers.

Before I joined this site I had already taken steps to educate myself and grow my knowledge and understanding, which is ongoing. I must admit I sometimes have to question my thinking and recheck the facts because it stretches ones beliefs to the point of disbelief to think how another human could possibly concoct such dastardly plans. Hitler springs to mind, who should we really blame for the Jewish genocides? Is it Hitler or weak minded immoral people that allowed themselves to be drawn in and controlled by a clever psychopath?

When I look at the role Israel may play in any war game scenario I wonder why, of all people, they have not seen through these Nazi style plans to instigate WWIII. Surely most normal people prefer peace to wars and constant unrest. I am in total agreement that Israel has every right to protect their homeland but striking out makes them a target. We have it drummed into us by the corrupt media that the evil state of Iran want to annihilate them, there is no doubt some of their leaders are also corrupt as well as the media who also stir up trouble. Iran is one of the few countries outside the control of our international banking cartels. If MI6 or CIA hasn’t got any rogue countries or terrorist groups to target they simply create them.

I have no doubt the elites, together with their weak minded immoral followers; genuinely believe their plans for mankind are for the greater good. I sometimes ask myself that if I had been born into such wealth, privilege and power would I still think the same way, would I be prepared to risk being outcast, or possibly worse. It is a difficult question when you understand the nature of man and their frailties. I am a free thinker and believe people should be measured by their deeds, and going against my inherent beliefs and respect for truth, honesty and fairness it is not up for sale.

I am mindful that as you take yourself down the rabbit hole there is a risk that you only read or absorb stuff which justifies one's own beliefs and arguments, but a quick check of the overwhelming evidence soon straightens you out. One of the other dilemmas we all face is the near complete lack of physical evidence, but, when covering up this sort of thing this is the primary objective.

Once people have educated themselves the next question is, do I want to do something about it, if so, what and how?

Regards
Ian

[yelik]

Hi Guy
I'm a new member and just picked up your comments. I agree with you about an effective dollar collapse. It seems the tools and power of the elite are becoming increasingly dangerous. From making money through manipulation of money supply to create the bust boom cycles, funding both sides in a wars, then lending more for rebuilding. As far as I can tell there's only 4 countries left outside of the control of our bankers, Iran, Syria, North Korea and Cuba, hence the constant attacks from the corrupt media. I trade currencies and can see dollar weakness.

The west is burdened with huge increasing debts with no way of ever payment them back, under normal circumstances that would creat a war or civil unrest. I don't thing the 2008 crash properly played out and was supported by huge borrowings, hence the slow unconvincing market rally which could well be short lived. Barclays announcement to shed 20k jobs is interesting. If we do get another major financial crash then Governments will just raid our pensions and savings, not sure what would become a good alternative to cash although gold and silver will likely skyrocket you can't eat it, but it's better than nothing.

Anyway keeping a close eye on financials will be an early warning of what might be to come, you can rest assured they have planned any crash sometime ago, as they did before. They may well be hoping the Ukraine or Iranian situation will help it along.

I don't know about you but I have to keep taking a reality check when trying to understand the extent of mans declining morals. Did you see prince Philips comment when he was asked what he would come back as if reincarnated, 'a virus so I could reduce the worlds population'

Under these strange times I think we should have a priority financial thread/group

Regards
Ian

[river]

Essential reading , is the Book by Chris H. Hardy , PHD , called

DNA of the GODS ( the Anunnaki , Creation of Eve and the Alien Battle for Humanity yr. 2014 ) ISBN# 9781591431855

Fascinating read

[elearah]

Hi guys,
this is my first post. I hope not to go too much out there. :)

Thanks for all this information. I´m still processing.

I would like to add my 0.02 cents (?).

I think that at the core, we are trying to build a new paradigm, or go back in course to what it was supposed to be the real thing before the intervention.

As rule of the thumb, it is all about going back to basics. Connect with people, connect with the planet, connect with ourselves, and do it minimizing intermediaries. It is about keeping the technologies that serve us and letting go of those that harm us.

A simple example, I have stopped using regular shampoo a year ago. The replacement? Just boiling new leaves of Rosa Sinensis picked up before they see the sun in the morning--it´s based in the traditional Philippine system. Does it work? Oh yeah.

I´m also into urban gardening and, specifically, permaculture. If we have control of our food and water we are helping cement a timeline with no famine. The nurturing love of Earth toward us shows clearly here. So much that I´m starting to give away some plants to friends and neighbors, so they grow independent as well.

Our basic needs are simple: food, shelter, water, sun, love. We just need to remember and make our choices based on these priorities.

We can´t fight them without engaging, and we can´t engage without giving energy away. There are moments where it is inevitable, and to know what is going on is also necessary, but for the most part all we need to do is to stand and give our energy to what deserves it.

Does this make any sense?

[palm13]

is it good?

[Rhah]

Very nice, Bill. Thank you!

All the available information on the forum has been quite overwhelming to me, I must say. So much so, in fact, that I had no idea where to even begin haha.
But I guess you've just made that an easy choice for me with this thread.

[Noel]

Thank you Bill for this information and wakeup call it should save may lives and possibly wake some people up, It is going to take a while to go through a lot of this information. I think it is a good Idea to start growing and preserving your own food supply and getting in to the mindset of the importance to have what is needed to do your preserves and a place to store them. this will not only give you a much healthier food supply it will also remove a lot of stress when things do start to happen. There will be other important things to deal with at the same time so being prepared is important.

[Ivanhoe]

Sorry I don't remember the author, but the set of books that really got me thinking early on was called "The Life and Teachings of the Masters of The Far East" written in the early 1900's as a first person account. Very interesting indeed.

[Frenchy]

From what I have gathered from the links you have provided, the s*** is hitting the fan and its time to move. Its time to find a safe place. [ not sure, Marshall Masters might have the right idea, a like-minded community in areas far from Tsunami & eventual water-covered areas... however, bear in mind the UK & US armies 'Big Dogs ', and assume they;ll be AI driven , with Fatal Laser Infra-red heat-seeking and all sorts of gadgets, to locate 'renagades'... ]

Is the time for sowing seeds of information with family and friends over? Most definately YES, As did Masters have to leave his wife, so must all of us move forward.... I speak to people, sharing what info I can, but, 99 % will stay with their " safe, known slave-lifestyle " When shtf, their lethargy will not help true survivors...

Is it still possible to derail this agenda? [ Good question - I think it was Alex Collier who mentioned a 26-mile long craft, waiting , cloaked just in our 'region', I think that might be to HARVEST humans, who will sleepily walk in to their captivity.... ]
Are we finding safety to eventually come out the other end? To what? [ I love listening to Eileen King, esp ' The Fields of Atherney ', sadly, THEY might wish to return us to that state of serfdom, or as in the film 'Brave New World, Sylon Green... ]

Top of the Morning to you...

[Frenchy]

Hi Yelik et al !
Hope this is on-topic, for there's such a wealth of knowledge shared across the whole forum, only a few dedicated souls can read and absorb the greater part ! Admittedly to date, I've not read all thru this thread, at the risk of repeating , should it be already here, UKColumn.org manage to unearth accurate informative facts about the stories they cover,
and recently, we find out that Clement Freud was connected to the Portugal resort, where Madeline McCann disappeared from...

on topic, now ! An excellent site is Earthbeforeflood.com created by a Russian Professor, it has magnificent research, esp for those interested in 'Early beginnings', or correlation to Sitchin, Daniken,,,,

( If people have an ext SSD or Drive, it might be worth considering saving the pages of your favourite topics.... since, elsewhere on the forum, we see the rush to censorship, or like in 1984; re-writing History... )

[ndroock1]

Sadly the links to thecommonsenseshow.comand homelandsecurityus.com are all dead.

[Hervé]

Sadly the links to thecommonsenseshow.com and homelandsecurityus.com are all dead.
Check this page for possible starter: http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/?s=ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why

[Valerie Villars]

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Dear All,

Here's my own perspective on recommended reading. It's what I personally feel is of great importance -- as a summary of what we may be facing in the relatively near future. (By that, I mean something like the next 2-6 months from now, 7 Feb 2013.)

Of course, there's a great deal more to understand and absorb. It's fine for readers to make recommendations about important aspects that you may feel I've missed. I also fully acknowledge that many of you will already be quite familiar with what follows.

The purpose of this thread is to see if we can get ourselves all more or less on to the same page. We are necessarily of different personalities, different backgrounds, different skill-sets, even different generations, and have different purposes on Planet Earth this lifetime. But we have to assume that we are all on the same side here in what is an enormous game, contest, or battle: pick your metaphor of choice.

Here, I'm more or less focused on practicalities. In my opinion, you should be too. Your personal and spiritual development and learning parallels this. There are many aspects of Avalon which focus on and support this. That's all good, as it's part of our purpose.

But there are real threats before us. The frog-in-the-saucepan analogy applies. We should not be just spectators. The alternative media (including these words you're reading right now) is not just more entertainment and material for idle discussion, like alternative TV.

We can't just be consumers of interesting information, as if we're watching the ultimate reality show. We have to act, to take responsibility, to do stuff. Don't just watch.

Some of you will have a mission to inform others, and that's understood. But if we're ALL just informing one another, and doing nothing, the incestuousness becomes futile and of little use. One of the axes I grind about the alternative media, and the overwhelming plethora of radio shows, is that so many commentators spend so much time interviewing each other.

This overwhelming tsunami of information -- quite a lot of which is noise -- is simply too much for any person to keep up with. (This is part of the value of the Avalon Forum: an able, focused group working together to present a filtered, predigested synthesis. This thread is a part of that.)

As long ago as 2008, Kerry Cassidy and I were discussing whether Project Camelot's work was essentially complete. For those who may not know the history, this was the genesis of Project Avalon, which was always envisioned to be providing solutions, facilitating networks and personal connections, and offering sources of practical information.

That's because the problem statement is this:

If there exists a powerful, amoral [or worse], unimaginably wealthy group controlling the planet, with classified highly advanced technology at their disposal, whose origins go back thousands of years and longer, who are allied with or used by ET races who do NOT have the interests of the human race at heart and who are defying any existing non-interference agreements, who are psychically adept, are trained in and practice technologically amplified black magic, and who regard you and me as the enemy...

...Then what are we going to do about it?

Here are my suggestions.

1) Inform yourselves about all the basics, and in particular (because it's practically important right now) what I reference at the foot of this article.

2) Protect yourselves and those you care about in practical terms. That may extend to:

independence from regular infrastructure if this should suddenly fail
moving out of harm's way if you currently live in a non-optimum location, while you still have the freedom to do so, and if this is in alignment with your personal purpose
working in whatever ways you can to counter and re-define the existing probable timeline(s).

The last of these is important. Some of you are practical hard-skilled people who have no natural ability, training or experience in these areas, and this is fine. Among the mods team, I'm sure they won't mind my saying, that would include Paul and Ilie. Those guys are heroes in a different quarter. If it were not for them, Avalon cold not function as securely and smoothly as it does. They are of immense value to the wider team here. We are not asking of them that they are also white magicians. :)

But some of you are. You know who you are. It IS possible to influence events, individuals and groups, to heal the individuals involved, and dismantle the control structure as rapidly as it's being assembled. A large number of people are doing this, and I know many of them personally. A number are members of Avalon (and some of toss people operate very quietly and do not attract any attention to themselves) but many are operating independently in diverse groups all over the world and in many different cultures, using many different techniques. (As an aside, you may be interested to know that there's an enormous amount of positive activity currently taking place in Russia.)

All this has delayed the roll-out of planned events. The timeline is already significantly different from that foreseen in (for instance) T1V83 (http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html). (That was very real. Kerry and I were briefed, off camera, for five hours about that. We were left in absolutely no doubt that this was not imaginary.

But the variant timeline has so proved to be very different again. It's important to remember, each morning we awake, that NOTHING REALLY BAD HAS HAPPENED YET. This is not good fortune, or the acts of God, or the ETs, or the mistakes of the insiders. People like you have together been hauling at the rudder to change the direction of the supertanker. And it's been working.

And now we come to the principal theme of this article.

Like a solar cycle with very few sunspots (and I'll say a little more about this later), we may now be heading into a period of escalated activity that could threaten everything we've grown used to. This is what this heads-up is about.

http://projectavalon.net./2013_The_Year_America_Dies_sm.jpg

Essential reading:

1) From Dave Hodges of The Common Sense Show (a very measured and well-written article):

Part One:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/25/ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why

Part Two:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/27/why-ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding

2) This information (as Dave Hodges states) dovetails closely with the Doug Hagmann ('Rosebud') information which emerged a few days earlier:

Part One:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

Part Two:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

This all fits with known scenarios and situations. This is what I was expecting earlier last year (2012), but which may now have been deferred or delayed till now.

3) The two hour interview with insider economist "V", archived here:

http://projectavalon.net/Steve_Quayle_Doug_Hagmann_and_V_11_Jan_2013.mp3

4) The latest from DHS insider 'Rosebud', which I'd been waiting for since Christmas, published in full on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55370-Confirmed-Forums-under-attack-from-23-Jan-2013--DHS-Insider-source

The original reference is here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666

This lays it all out, as plain as day. The pieces all fit together. Those of you following the very weird, anomalous and suspicious Sandy Hook incident will have seen all the signs. 'Rosebud' summarizes that we should expect:

a) Possibly as early as April, a sudden collapse of the US economy. Insider economist "V" describes this also [see (3) above], saying that the best case scenario will be like the 1999 collapse of the Russian Ruble (great austerity, soup and bread lines, but infrastructure intact) -- and the worst case would be full-blown civil war.

http://projectavalon.net/Steve_Quayle_Doug_Hagmann_and_V_11_Jan_2013.mp3

One of the actions to take here is to get out of all paper investments. Note that gold stocks are not gold! Liquid, small-denomination gold and silver coins are smart to hold. Insider-connected people that know what's about to happen are investing in practical equipment, stored food, hard resources, and farmable land. Anything left over is in precious metals.

"V" states that after a period of apparently wild fluctuations around the current prices, silver will shoot up to $500-600, gold to $4000-6000. I can understand this, as I have first-hand confirmation that (as "V" says) there's barely any inventory anywhere. There's very little physical gold and silver to buy right now, and prices are certainly artificially suppressed.

But, as George Green has always advised, the best investment may be in land, equipment, spare parts, and useful practical stuff. There may come a point where gold and silver will only be practically useful at the END of the emergency. (Always think: who will buy it from you?)

b) A set-up/ false-flag incident or situation intended to publicly demonize government-critical 'fringe groups' such as survivalists, sovereigns, patriots, constitutionalists, gun rights advocates, and other 'domestic terrorists' -- maybe even all lumped together.

c) Another Sandy Hook type incident -- maybe escalated to be far more apparently horrific.

d) (Already rolled out on 23 January) -- the start of subversive and disruptive action against a large number of online groups and individuals, certainly including the Avalon Forum and some members within it. (There is strong reason to believe that when this proved to be ineffective, due to Avalon's strong membership firewalls, the action was excavated to a different level, one that 'Rosebud' does not mention or does not know about, which features technologically-amplified psychic attacks on targeted individuals. See this important three part interview if you're in any doubt about the reality of this technology:


http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_3.mp3

e) Some deaths of activists, intended as warnings to the alternative community. (This too seems to have begun already, and I suspect there will be more).

Finally, I promised I'd say a word about solar activity. In summary: so far, so good. Watch http://spaceweather.com for alerts and updates. I've heard nothing more from my insider source who warned me of an 1859-scale solar event anticipated for early this year (i.e. round about now). If we make it safely through to the end of summer, risks of a major destructive CME [Coronal Mass Ejection] may be pretty much over.

In the meantime, I have a bunch of military-grade EMP bags (http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/pc/EMP-Protection-c128.htm), which are really quite cheap, ready on hand to protect any critical electronics. You may only need a few, and they'll last forever.

So that's it. Please read the above through as many times as it takes to really understand this. And please do read all the linked articles and listen to all the audios. (It'll take a little time, but I promise it's worth it.)

And finally, as I've said many times, the mods and admins here do a quite stellar job. There HAVE been attacks on the forum, and we've been tracking them carefully. There are some very able people on the team, supported by a number of very able members behind the scenes. (You know who you are, and I thank you all.)

There's been a lot of work done already. The forum is in good shape, but we're agreed that there will almost certainly be more to come. All this may only just have started. Put on your lifejackets, and connect your safety lines: we're all on this journey together.

:sun: bumping this important and astute message from Bill.

[Bill Ryan]

Sadly the links to thecommonsenseshow.com and homelandsecurityus.com are all dead.

Thanks! (And this is a recurring problem with research links from previous years, for sure.)

All replaced now. Here are the links in question:



https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/25/ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/27/why-ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310


And the most important one of all, definitely applicable today for every one of us:

DHS Insider: Obama’s cyber warriors & preparing for collapse
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666 (http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666)

[britman]

Hi Bill,
Regarding books for essential reading, I feel I have to mention "The Nine Freedoms" because you may not know about it , and you should. It comprises the complete path of the Soul as an identity through the course of manifesting as a unit of IT on the journey back to the Source in numerous incarnations and on other planets after this one.
Dictated to George King in a self induced Samadhic trance by the Martian Adept, who refers to himself as Mars Sector Six.
If ever there is a book unique and life altering it this one.
The journey to developing Cosmic Consciousness is included, and is described as experienced by George King and is probably the only one ever recorded.





A note from Bill: many thanks, but this section is really about political background information, including orchestrated attacks on the alternative media. It's not really about spiritual development, about which there are many other threads here.

:sun:

[edina]

Sadly the links to thecommonsenseshow.com and homelandsecurityus.com are all dead.

Thanks! (And this is a recurring problem with research links from previous years, for sure.)

All replaced now. Here are the links in question:



https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/25/ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding-why
https://web.archive.org/web/20130412010241/http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/27/why-ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310


And the most important one of all, definitely applicable today for every one of us:

DHS Insider: Obama’s cyber warriors & preparing for collapse
http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666 (http://web.archive.org/web/20130403005110/homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666)


:Avalon:
Bumping this, especially in light of current events

DHS Insider: Obama's cyber warriors & preparing for collapse. (https://web.archive.org/web/20191128175739/http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7666/)
... two days after the inauguration, at exactly 7:00 a.m. on January 23, something called "the Cyber-Warriors for Obama Project" was activated. I heard about this the week after the election, but only saw a hardcopy draft in late December. ... The sudden collapse of the U.S ...

:bump:

[Richter]

Home Invasions on the Rise: Constitution-Free Policing in Trump’s America
By John W. Whitehead and Nisha Whitehead
Global Research, May 01, 2025

“One of the most essential branches of English liberty is the freedom of one’s house. A man’s house is his castle.”
—James Otis, Revolutionary War activist, on the Writs of Assistance, 1761

What the Founders rebelled against — armed government agents invading homes without cause — we are now being told to accept in the so-called name of law and order.

Imagine it: it’s the middle of the night. Your neighborhood is asleep. Suddenly, your front door is splintered by battering rams. Shadowy figures flood your home, screaming orders, pointing guns, threatening violence. You and your children are dragged out into the night — barefoot, in your underwear, in the rain.

Your home is torn apart. Your valuables seized. Your sense of safety, demolished.

But this isn’t a robbery by lawless criminals.

This is what terror policing looks like in Trump’s America: raids by night, flashbangs at dawn, mistaken identities, and shattered lives.

On April 24, 2025, in Oklahoma City, 20 heavily armed federal agents from ICE, the FBI, and DHS kicked in the door of a home where a woman and her three daughters — all American citizens — were sleeping. They were forced out of bed at gunpoint and made to wait in the rain while agents ransacked the house, confiscating their belongings.

It was the wrong house. The wrong family.

There were no apologies. No compensation. No accountability.

This is the new face of American policing, and it’s about to get so much worse thanks to the President Trump’s latest executive order, which aims to eliminate federal oversight and empower local law enforcement to act with impunity.

Titled “Strengthening and Unleashing America’s Law Enforcement to Pursue Criminals and Protect Innocent Citizens,” the executive order announced on April 28, 2025, removes restraints on police power, offers enhanced federal protections for officers accused of misconduct, expands access to military-grade equipment, and nullifies key oversight provisions from prior reform efforts.

Trump’s supporters have long praised his efforts to deregulate business and government under the slogan of “no handcuffs.” But when that logic is applied to law enforcement, the result isn’t freedom — it’s unchecked power.

What it really means is no restraints on police power — while the rest of us are left with fewer rights, less recourse, and a Constitution increasingly ignored behind the barrel of a gun.

This isn’t just a political shift. It’s a constitutional unraveling.

These aren’t abstract freedoms — they’re the bedrock of the Bill of Rights: the Fourth Amendment’s shield against warrantless searches, the Fifth Amendment’s promise of due process, and the First Amendment’s guarantee that we may speak, protest, and petition without fear of state retaliation.

Yet the build-up of the police state didn’t begin with Trump. What he has done is seize upon decades of bipartisan failure — and strip away the last remaining restraints.

For years, under both Republican and Democratic administrations, policing in America has grown more militarized, aggressive, and unaccountable. At times, there were modest attempts to rein in the worst excesses — like curbing the flow of military surplus equipment to local police — but these efforts were short-lived, inconsistent, and easily undone.

Trump’s executive order doesn’t just abandon those reforms. It bulldozes the guardrails. It hands law enforcement a blank check: more weapons, more power, and fewer consequences.

The result is not safety. It’s state-sanctioned violence.

It’s a future in which no home is safe, no knock is required, and no officer is ever held accountable.

That future is already here.

Just a few days before Trump signed the order, that reality played out in Oklahoma City when ICE, FBI, and DHS agents stormed the wrong home and terrorized a mother and her daughters.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident.

In the 30 years since the first federal Crime Bill helped militarize local police forces, the use of SWAT teams has exploded. What was once a rare tactic for hostage situations is now used tens of thousands of times a year, often for nonviolent offenses or mere suspicion. These raids leave behind broken doors, traumatized children, and, too often, dead bodies. And yet, when families seek justice, they’re met with a legal wall called qualified immunity.

Under this doctrine, courts excuse even blatant misconduct by law enforcement unless an almost identical case has already been ruled unconstitutional. It’s legal sleight of hand—a get-out-of-jail-free card for government agents who trample on the Constitution.

We’ve entered an era in which federal agents can destroy your home, traumatize your family, and violate the Fourth Amendment with impunity. And the courts have said: that’s just how it works.

More than 80,000 SWAT raids now occur annually in the United States, most of them for nonviolent offenses like drug possession or administrative code violations.

Many are botched. Few are ever investigated.

In Martin v. United States, now before the Supreme Court, a heavily armed FBI SWAT team mistakenly stormed a Georgia home—armed with rifles, clad in tactical gear, and deploying a flashbang grenade — causing the family inside, with a 7-year-old son, to fear they were being burglarized.

The agents were supposed to raid a gang suspect’s house. Instead, they relied on faulty GPS and ended up at the wrong address, a block away from the intended target.

Only after detaining the family — forcing one family member onto the bedroom floor at gunpoint, and then pointing a gun in the mother’s face—did the officers realize their mistake.

The Rutherford Institute, alongside the National Police Accountability Project, filed an amicus brief urging the Court to deny qualified immunity for the agents. But if history is any guide, justice may prove elusive.

Just last year, the Court refused to hold a SWAT team leader accountable for raiding the wrong house, wrecking the wrong home, and terrorizing an innocent family.

In Jimerson v. Lewis, the SWAT team ignored clear differences between the actual target house and the Jimerson residence—missing house numbers, architectural mismatches, a wheelchair ramp where none should have been—and still received qualified immunity.

These rulings aren’t exceptions—they reflect a growing doctrine of unaccountability enshrined by the courts and now supercharged by the Trump administration.

Trump wants to give police even more immunity.

Brace yourselves for a new era of lawless policing.

CONTINUE: https://www.globalresearch.ca/home-invasions-constitution-free-policing-trump-america/5885820