The Anunnaki, their history on earth, where are they today?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wish to start a discusion about alien interference in our world today and their influence on our history and evolution.

I have read a lot of Zecharia Sitchin's Earth Chronicles Series and cannot get enough of it. It says so much about our supposed myths and our religions.

It seems almost all if not all of our ancient cultures were influenced by the pantheon of gods that for a time lived amongst us. Their legends reveal how a race of beings that came from another world guided their civilizations and taught them the skills and secrets to advance their cultures.

Many of today's religions owe their existence directly to these ancient beings. In particular, the Judeo-Christian peoples. The Jewish tradition still keeps track of the ancient year count of the Sumerians. The Christains borrowed extensively from the creation myths of this same culture. I have yet to find a connection to the Muslim religion but there probably is one if I dug far enough.

This is just a teaser for now.

I wonder if they just left our planet for good after they unleashed a nuclear device that accidentally wiped out their lands, the scar of which can still be seen from satellite on the arabian penninsula. Or did they disperse across the globe and influence those other ancient cultures?

I have heard some call our race warlike due to our great ape anscestors. To me this is insulting to the great apes. They never war on each other to the point of desolation, like so many of our race have done to their enemies in the past and still do today. There is no parallel here, imo.

Finally, for now, the last of the great gods from Babylonian times, Amon Ra/Marduk, the "unseen" god, was defeated by a new god, Ashur, the "seen" god of the Assyrians.

The part that fascinates me the most is that I have never found a link to the hungarian language. It is a mystery where the root of that language comes from, except for some unsatisfactory assumptions by a few linguists who seem to just egoically lump it in with races from the steppes of Russia and beyond. But Sitchin makes a comment how hungarian and finnish are heavily rooted in Summerian. That intrigues me.

Why do I bring this up now?

There seems to be heavy emphasis taking place on some upcoming events in America and I just want to make sure it is kept in context. If there are disasterous events on the horizon, they may very well be the agenda of an ancient group influenced by these Anunaki that "from heaven to earth came".

More to follow...

Comments?

[DNA]

I think those folks are still here.

Richard Shaver, a writer from the 1940’s, attempted to convey his communications with a negative race of individuals who lived under the earth who imployed ancient delapated technologies for extending their lives, and influencing and controlling the lives of humans on the surface of the earth. Here is a brief summary of his thesis.


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Thousands of years ago, extraterrestrial space travelers
visited Earth and established huge underground colonies here. They couldn’t live on
the surface because solar radiation shortened their lifespan, which was normally
measured in centuries. Eventually, the civilization that had planted the colonies
became moribund, and contact with the parent worlds became less and less frequent.
Because the underground colonies were cut off from outside supplies, some of the
colonists were forced to live permanently on the surface to grow food and obtain the
raw materials necessary to sustain life in the underground cities.

Over a long period of time, the “detrimental radiation” of the sun caused the
minds of the surface dwellers to degenerate, and eventually they reverted to complete
barbarism. However, they did retain enough intelligence to start (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39095-Are-the-Illuminati-and-the-Men-In-Black-one-and-the-same#) progressing again,
finally achieving human civilization as we read about it in our history books.
During this whole period, the many inhabitants of the underground colonies,
which Shaver simply calls “Caves,” survived and retained a significant amount of the
original knowledge and technology. However, the population of Cave dwellers
gradually decreased because of constant shortages of supplies from the surface. After
the surface people forgot completely about the origin and nature of the underground
cities, the Cave dwellers started posing as gods and other supernatural beings to coerce
surface people into providing them food and other necessities. The Cave people
possess machines for generating “Rays” that give them certain kinds of power over
surface dwellers.
Some types of Rays can kill or wound people, but others can be used to heal
sickness or injury or to slow down the aging process. The Rays can also be used for
telepathic communication and to control the thoughts and emotions of others at a
distance. They seem to be most effective at close range, but some are powerful
enough to have a significant effect on surface people.
The Cave dwellers have used their Ray technology to manipulate surface society
throughout history, especially to obtain food and other supplies without the majority of
people on Earth being aware of it. A few surface people were in on the plot and acted
as agents of the Cave dwellers; these included members of such diverse groups as
political rulers, religious leaders, wealthy merchants and traders, smugglers, and
pirates.
However, the population in the Caves has decreased steadily over the ages
because of continual shortages of raw materials. Shaver described the current
situation in the underground cities as grim and desperate, with the political and social
structure in almost complete collapse. Starvation and cannibalism are commonplace,
and many of the inhabitants have turned themselves into literal monsters through
improper use of the Rays. These “Deros” have become insane tyrants, and most have
deformed their bodies as well, by trying to use the life prolonging Rays to achieve
physical immortality. Because “detrimental radiation from the Sun penetrates even
into the Caves”, and because many of the Ray machines themselves have deteriorated
through ages of constant use and makeshift repairs, the Deros resemble the living dead
of legend. The Rays alone aren’t enough: to survive, they also have to eat human
flesh like ghouls, and drink human blood like vampires.
However, some of the Cave dwellers are still normal: they call themselves
“Teros,” and often use their Rays to help people on the surface, especially to combat
the evil being done by the Deros. However, they aren’t militarily strong enough to
conquer and destroy the Deros, and the only reason they survive at all is that they
sometimes receive help from extraterrestrials who arrive in spaceships.
Unfortunately, these modern space travelers are also incapable of defeating the
Deros. According to Shaver, they’ve been trying for centuries to get some
government or other elsewhere in the galaxy to “send in the Marines and clean up
Earth,” but so far it hasn’t happened. Earth is just one small planet in a remote
backwater of the universe, and no advanced interstellar civilization has bothered to
come here and fight a war to liberate us from the Deros.

Some of Shaver’s stories assert that such civilizations still exist, and that “help
from the stars” might arrive at any time. Others are pessimistic and say they all fell
long ago. The stories saying that some worlds have retained sufficient technology to
permit interstellar travel also make it plain that such cultures are degenerate remnants
of once-great civilizations, now fallen into decay. In either case, the Teros fight on,
barely holding their own. They use their Rays to communicate with people like
Shaver, hoping that eventually civilization on the surface will develop technologically
to the point where we will be able to help them defeat the Deros, but they make it clear
this point is far in the future.
The Deros lack the technical knowledge necessary to keep their Ray machines in
good repair, so they are no longer able to keep political control of surface society or
prevent technological progress. However, the machines they have inherited from
ancient times are still far too advanced for our present scientists to duplicate, and they
continue to have a great deal of power to manipulate both surface society as a whole
and the minds of individuals.

[Bill Ryan]

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See this thread:

The Anunnaki (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki)






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Dear All,

I recently wrote up some notes about the Anunnaki for someone who knew little about them. The concise report I created seemed to have some value (you will not find this information all in one place anywhere else) - and so here it is: :)

Anunnaki is Sumerian for "those who came from Heaven to Earth". They were regarded by the Sumerians as "gods", but were actually ETs.

They are 8-9 feet tall [2.4 - 2.7m], and like dressing up in ceremonial costumes (including headdresses), which are colorful, flamboyant, ornate, and ceremonial. Their culture goes back to 100,000 years or more, and they attach a great importance to tradition, ritual, ceremony and symbols.

They have large heads with a pronounced jaw and are physically very strong. They also have enhanced mental abilities and can certainly operate effectively in the astral realms. But their technology (spacecraft, and ability to manipulate space and time) is also very advanced.

They certainly do not ride around on an icy, rocky planetoid ("Nibiru") waiting patiently for it to return near Earth every 3,600 years. They have their own spacecraft. Henry Deacon said they looked a little like this (the 'wings' retract and are ornamental):

http://projectavalon.net/Winged_craft_similar_to_Anunnaki.jpg

They were here in Sumerian times, about 6,000 years ago, when they arrived on Earth to 'jump-start' the Sumerian civilization which had always puzzled archeologists inasmuch as it seemed to arise out of a much more primitive culture, almost literally overnight.

Suddenly, the Sumerians had law, government, education, finance, literature, music, and everything that we would assume as a necessary part of a healthy civilized society.

The Anunnaki attach a great deal of importance to administration, laws, finance, agreements, and very complex administrative structures. Much of what has become imported into human societies as royal ceremony, pyramidal hierarchies, levels of initiation within secret societies, and all the attached complex symbolism, much of which has high traditional significance but which can also be deliberately obscure to the casual observer, can all be traced back to Anunnaki influence.

In present time, they are active on Mars, and this has been reported by Project Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon (http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html#Mars) (pseudonym), who saw them at first hand. Henry said that since Sumerian times, the Anunnaki race has split into two factions - one friendly to humans and the other less so.

He hinted strongly that the less friendly race has acquired a taste for human flesh. He described how when he was working for black projects as an electronics engineer, he was invited to a briefing in which this topic was presented. He walked out in disgust, and was amazed that (a) no-one stopped him from leaving, and (b) he was the only person who walked out.

According to Zecharia Sitchin (recently passed) - who 'translated' many ancient Sumerian texts - and whose work has been dismissed by conventional archeologists but widely accepted among the alternative community - one reason the Anunnaki came to Planet Earth was to mine gold, which they had a strong desire for and attributed a great deal of value and importance to. It's possible that our own love and value and fascination for gold in the present day is a throwback to the attitude introduced by the Anunnaki.

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.



Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011

[Cidersomerset]

A simple analogy I use at work, when some of us try to discuss these subjects, to the comments of
'they believe in Aliens'..LOL..by some of the 'idiots' i call them in our 'banter' ..LOl..

Is do they believe in 'test tube' babies and genetic manipulation of plants & animals, Dolly the Sheep
etc and would it not have been possible thousands of years ago for an advanced space traveling
civilisation to have colonized earth and manipulated the genes of a lesser idigenous hominoid ?
We have been to space and have been talking of colonising the moon and Mars.( I don't mention
the secret space fleet in this analogy..LOL..) If in a hundred years or so we went further a field
and found a less advanced hominoid species, would not our scientists look to enhance their abilities
if they wanted to use them as a work force on an expanding colony? ( I don't say we probably could
now). They usually stop taking the p--- then, but it still goes over their heads,though some of them quietly
take note...LOl Steve..

[Kiforall]

I've been sifting through the Anunnaki, Veda, Sumerian, Egyptian history and if you haven't yet read the book
ROMANWKT advised we should look at give it a go. It seems to explain a lot of things.

http://archive.org/details/The_Greatest_Story_Never_Told_Lana_Cantrell

You can read online or print out etc.

Zoe

[Shin'Ar]

I think its beneficial to manage our thinking around this so that we realize that the ancient references offer both evidence as well as corrupted information.

It is certainly obvious from the many cultural presentations that the development of the human species was intervened upon by some higher being. And it does make sense given the spontaneous advancement of human lifestyle.

But, we must also be cautious about taking this to the extreme and adopting speculations as facts.

In consideration of ancient lore, and present and historical states of being, it is credible to acknowledge a 'higher than human state of being' which has become the average experience and culture of this planet. This can involve aspects from ET Elites to hybrid elites, to humans imbued with genetically manipulated abilities beyond most average human ability.

I tend to think that because of ancient manipulation, many facets of this ET/higher being are manifested throughout human culture, encompassing hybrids, pure ETs, genetically enhanced human/hybrids, and successions of those having not as much of the genetic mutations.

But I also realize that none of this genetic physical experience has anything to do with the evolution of fields of consciousness, which are only subjected to their vehicles, and not enslaved to them. regardless of one's genetic ancestry, whether ET, or hybrid, or Earthly in origin, the field of consciousness making use of that form evolves according to the paths and experiences realized while in those vehicles, and is not defined by the very temporary experience of being in that one vehicle of countless many.

What happened in the past is certainly relevant to that which we now experience in this world. But, Annunaki hybrids or not, elite manipulation or not, All is process of being. Despite the genetics and physical experiences involved. There is much going on all around us in this vast universe which is both higher and lower states of being, all part of a design and process which only includes our Earthly dynamics, and is not defined entirely by them.

This is OUR experience. There is much beyond this we believe to be the center of the universe.

[deridan]

"I see how peoples are set against one another, and in silence, unknowingly, foolishly, obediently, innocently slay one another"

--"Over a long period of time, the “detrimental radiation” of the sun caused the minds of the surface dwellers to degenerate, and eventually they reverted to complete barbarism."--

from [v d of] enlightened to various degrees of barbarism,
maybe more of this has to do with structures in and about society than to other natural occurrences,
{one could notice these in our societies too}

a hypothesis i could take from a book in which the opening phrase occurs in, ..all quite on the western front

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks Bill for the link and for posting your comments here as well. On the last page you make a disclaimer that I believe belongs here as well:

Re: The Anunnaki






Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.
Hi again, All:

I was re-reading this paragraph above and realized that it gave the wrong impression. Sitchin did indeed translate his works from the Sumerian (he was a gifted scholar), but was guided by channeled information in the many instances where the meaning was not clear, or was ambiguous.

This accounts for the differences of opinion between him and other Sumerian scholars, who have ridiculed some of his interpretations.

I remain 100% certain that Sitchin's claims that the Anunnaki are riding around on Nibiru were disinformation coming from the Anunnaki themselves. The Anunnaki have advanced spacecraft and can certainly travel around the solar system freely any time they want. Where their home planet really is, I have no idea and have never heard (Henry Deacon didn't know either).

(I lost a long reply so I will protect myself by posting separate replies.)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Enlil and Enki are the two prominent sons of Anu, the ruler of the Annunaki. Anu divided the rule of earth between these two sons. Enlil was given the lands north of Africa and Enki those further south. Enlil, however was placed in charge of the Igigi, the spacefarers that circled the earth in their spaceships. Not much is said about the Igigi, except that they did not like being planet-bound, or maybe could not even land if they wanted to due to physical factors not elaborated on in the texts. This designation, gave Enlil supreme cammand over all of Earth.

Enlil did not much like the genetically manipulated indigenous species and tried to have them exterminated several times. It was Enki (also known as Ea) that came to man's rescue twice in the nick of time. It was Enki who, with the help of another of the Nibiruan gods, altered our DNA and infused it with their own, thereby jump starting our rapid rise on the evolutionary ladder. But they also made certain that some of the more advanced traits were locked away and inaccessible to individual humans (we call this "junk" DNA today).

More on this later.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The Enuma Elish is the "creation myth of the Sumerians, borrowed heavily and even copied verbatim by the Assyrians and Babylonians. All except one of the seven tablets have been fully recovered and verified because they have been found in all three languages.

Here is what Wiki has to say about it. (notice they say nothing about Sumerian tablets, part of the disinfo, I guess).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%C3%BBma_Eli%C5%A1

[gripreaper]

In present time, they are active on Mars, and this has been reported by Project Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon (pseudonym), who saw them at first hand. Henry said that since Sumerian times, the Anunnaki race has split into two factions - one friendly to humans and the other less so.

It's ironic that Charles, aka Atticus, mentioned Henry Deacon as only one of two who "get it" and are right on.

So, how do we focus on the faction which has the interests of humanity in mind? Does this faction want to destroy the current humanoids in favor of an upgraded humanoid?

It would appear, from all the information we have, that the nefarious faction agenda is rolling out quite precipitously, and that any opposition is quite rudimentary.

[Napping]

:oßhiiytoyoiuauygukiygiiy

[Limor Wolf]

Thanks, Ernie, I was about to post on the brothers Enkie and Enlil and that rift between them, that who knows, might be related to the current split in Annunaki and their relations to humans as is evidenced by Henrey Deacon.

There are many more questions that arise from Henrey's testimony, as Bill brought here, for example :

1) How much is known about the size of the empire of the Annunaki, and to where it extends? Is it within the near Galaxies or beyond?

2) Did Henrey talk about the overall attitude of black projects towards the Annunaki on Mars, as was presented to them in the briefing? was it sympatetic, a reality of cooperation which was necessary, was there any resentment?

3) What specific manners and features characterises the one's who Henrey met with, was it possible to create a common language or was it based on a kind of employee- employer relations (if that's at all possible to define)

P.s

It is also believed that Marduk, Enki's son, was conditioning earth hybrid population to serve him for the time when he and the rest of Annunakis from home planet Nibiru will be able to remain on Earth.

The question is, besides gold, what type of other sources do they find interest in? are those simply minerals and metals, or maybe a more biological source?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hey Grip,

Don't hold me to this but could it be that a part of the answer might lie in the mechanics of each side.

This nefarious side plan, connive, decieve, subvert (past and future orientation). The other side rely heavily on spontaneity, synchronicity, live and let live - that sort of thing (present focussed).

[Limor Wolf]

Unfortunetly, the fact that there are two factions does not mean that the more moderate side symphatizes with humanity. of course, we would rather think this way. animals will always prefer to find that there are a lot of vegeterians in the crowd..

We know pretty much very little on that, 'dirty laundery is usually washed at home', so, I doubt if 'live and let live' is an occurate enough description of the more moderate side of the faction.

[Maunagarjana]

Contactee OnyxKnight says Nibiru was destroyed in 2003 and lies in rubble in the asteroid belt of our solar system. He says they escaped in giant spaceships before its destruction and then traveled to the Gamma Serpentis system to build a new planetoid/mothership and rebuild their population.

But I suppose that's too insubstantial to take seriously. Much safer to rely on possibly poor translations of possibly inaccurate accounts gleaned from tablets possibly containing intentional disinformation. ;)

[Limor Wolf]

Contactee OnyxKnight says Nibiru was destroyed in 2003 and lies in rubble in the asteroid belt of our solar system. He says they escaped in giant spaceships before its destruction and then traveled to the Gamma Serpentis system to build a new planetoid/mothership and rebuild their population.

But I suppose that's too insubstantial to take seriously. Much safer to rely on possibly poor translations of possibly inaccurate accounts gleaned from tablets possibly containing intentional disinformation. ;)


Or channelings

http://dotsub.com/view/cc8d442e-d1ba-4c4e-a111-e8eacbf9feb7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymQAVrDwkiw&list=PL5801EB46A664CF62

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TqCkXyRVgk&list=PL5801EB46A664CF62

[Earthship]

I've been sifting through the Anunnaki, Veda, Sumerian, Egyptian history and if you haven't yet read the book
ROMANWKT advised we should look at give it a go. It seems to explain a lot of things.

http://archive.org/details/The_Greatest_Story_Never_Told_Lana_Cantrell

You can read online or print out etc.

Zoe

Thanks, Kiforall (and ROMANWKT)....! I'm reading the book, is quite good and written in a professional way, it shows a high standard quailty...! I didn't know about its existence...! Thanks again!

[Ernie Nemeth]

There's nothing I can argue about in terms of whether the stone tablets from antiquity were purposefully misleading.

All I can tell you is that I once wrote a book on an old Olivetta typewriter. It was a nightmare. One mistake and the page had to be rewriten. There was no editing programs or word processors back then. I cannot imagine going through all that trouble to lie or mislead. Imagine the herculean task of imprinting stones either by carving or through the use of cylinder scrolls! The idea of setting in stone a lie seems like a huge waste of effort.

Also, the corroborating evidence across the millenia and from one culture to the next makes this scenario all the more untenable.

And, if one was setting about to lie in order to mislead, would they cast their race in such an unfavorable light? No, I think not, but that's just my take on the matter.

Finally, would they have gone into so much detail about their daily lives and their history of incest, war, and power wranglings if they wanted us to believe a set of lies? What would be the purpose to provide these details then. And why the high level of accuracy in terms of historical and geographical details? These have been proven to have occured where they said they occured, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

In any case, I will continue, assuming others are still interested and are open to this line of inquiry.

[Maunagarjana]

There's nothing I can argue about in terms of whether the stone tablets from antiquity were purposefully misleading.

All I can tell you is that I once wrote a book on an old Olivetta typewriter. It was a nightmare. One mistake and the page had to be rewriten. There was no editing programs or word processors back then. I cannot imagine going through all that trouble to lie or mislead. Imagine the herculean task of imprinting stones either by carving or through the use of cylinder scrolls! The idea of setting in stone a lie seems like a huge waste of effort.

Also, the corroborating evidence across the millenia and from one culture to the next makes this scenario all the more untenable.

And, if one was setting about to lie in order to mislead, would they cast their race in such an unfavorable light? No, I think not, but that's just my take on the matter.

Finally, would they have gone into so much detail about their daily lives and their history of incest, war, and power wranglings if they wanted us to believe a set of lies? What would be the purpose to provide these details then. And why the high level of accuracy in terms of historical and geographical details? These have been proven to have occured where they said they occured, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

In any case, I will continue, assuming others are still interested and are open to this line of inquiry.

Those are good points. Much of the information from Sitchin is unflattering towards them by our standards (assuming the tablets were accurately translated.) I wasn't really suggesting they were all disinformation. But may include very targeted disinformation. An example would be information that would lead us to believe that we are the result of crossbreeding of apes and Nibiruan genetics, when perhaps that wasn't entirely true, while still containing the truth that they had engaged in genetically engineering various versions of Homo Sapiens.

Last year I had a long conversation with author Marshall Klarfeld at the Conscious Life Expo, a close friend of Sitchin's (he described himself as Sitchin's "disciple") and I asked him if he thought there was intentional disinformation in the Sumerian tablets, and he said, "Ah! You have stumbled upon the secret!" But he didn't elaborate a whole lot, besides saying it was possible.

Klarfeld told me all kinds of interesting stuff, like that (in his view) Ningishzidda was Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan and Djehuti/Thoth, that Ningishzidda had a feud with Marduk over Marduk's accidental murder of Tammuz and also Ningishzidda's voting for Nannar to succeed Anu instead of his brother Marduk, and that resulted in Ningishzidda being banished from Egypt whereupon he relocated to the Guatemala area (or maybe it was more south, like in Northern South America, I can't remember precisely) accompanied by a bunch of early versions of Homo Sapiens (to be laborers) who later became known as the Olmecs (which is why statues of the Olmecs look African.) Of course, his views are based on Sitchin's translations, so who knows how accurate his conclusions are.

If you haven't already, you might also want to look into the case of Michael Lee Hill who claims to have met beings from Nibiru (including, he believes, Marduk himself) and/or their descendents. There have been articles written about him, news reports about his UFO videos taken on Lake Erie (which he said are Anunnaki craft) and there was a segment on a UFO related TV series called "UFO Hunters" about him where they determined that he had an unknown blood type and some sort of very rare genetic abnormality that causes him to have elevated levels of Creatine Kinase in his bloodstream, which confirmed for him that he was "one of them", at least in part. He also claims to have discovered he is the son of Eric Clapton. ;)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Okay then.

The tablets do not say which earth species was used for their bio-engineering program but that it hastened an already burgeoning species along its otherwise normal development and added some enhancements and blocks. I personally do not know any famous people so I cannot comment on it directly. And if there is disinfo, well, I guess I can live with that. It's not like there are any unadulterated writings anywhere in the world. The trick is to pick out those data points that fit and that spacefarers from other worlds have been and still are amongst us seems irrefutable to me.

The Sumerian culture expressly indicates they were influenced by such a race. If it had been their own genius to jump start civilization, I think they would have claimed that honor. So that seems as iron-clad as anything else.

The parallels between the Sumerian texts and the later histories of the Assyrians and Babylonians is striking. The Hebrew bible is also a corroborating document. The places mentioned in all these texts were discovered using the information of these cultures so the general accuracy of the texts are pretty much established by now. Again, it does not always jibe with the vested interests of certain individuals trying to make a name and a career for themselves. To this day, for example, the Egyptians refuse to accept the datings of the great pyramids because it places those buildings before the Egyptian dynasties and therefore not of Egyptian heritage.

I'll look up this Micheal Hill but isn't being Eric Clampton's son enough for one lifetime. It does suggest a sort of one-upmanship to get out from under his famous fathers shadow.

The connections to Marduk and central and South America is exactly the trail I wish to follow but there is no evidence of it in the Sumerian texts (obviously), nor in the Assyrian or Babylonian writings (not so obvious). Sitchin does mention it but does not state or report any facts to back up that proposition.

[Maunagarjana]

Okay then.

The tablets do not say which earth species was used for their bio-engineering program but that it hastened an already burgeoning species along its otherwise normal development and added some enhancements and blocks.

Maybe another way to put it might be that they took the genetics of a more advanced version of human already on the planet (since the time of Atlantis/Lemuria) and devolved it by deactivating certain genetic programming to create a slave race that could function at a somewhat low capacity in order to be effective workers yet not quite bright enough to question their servitude or revolt. And that would be us, more or less. ;)


I personally do not know any famous people so I cannot comment on it directly.

I should probably say that I don't know Mr. Klarfeld, just met him at a table where he was selling his books and chatted with him for a while.


And if there is disinfo, well, I guess I can live with that. It's not like there are any unadulterated writings anywhere in the world. The trick is to pick out those data points that fit and that spacefarers from other worlds have been and still are amongst us seems irrefutable to me.

The Sumerian culture expressly indicates they were influenced by such a race. If it had been their own genius to jump start civilization, I think they would have claimed that honor. So that seems as iron-clad as anything else.

The parallels between the Sumerian texts and the later histories of the Assyrians and Babylonians is striking. The Hebrew bible is also a corroborating document. The places mentioned in all these texts were discovered using the information of these cultures so the general accuracy of the texts are pretty much established by now. Again, it does not always jibe with the vested interests of certain individuals trying to make a name and a career for themselves.

Yes, but we are really relying on Sitchin's translations, aren't we? Or are there others out there that are of the same bent as his?


To this day, for example, the Egyptians refuse to accept the datings of the great pyramids because it places those buildings before the Egyptian dynasties and therefore not of Egyptian heritage.

I'm not sure why it really matters to them. Aren't most Egyptians today Arabs? Maybe not. And I guess I can see why they want to control the narrative of the area's history. Anyhow, I agree that there was an older civilization than the Dynastic period which we know little about, and that this is likely the time of the building of the great Pyramids.


I'll look up this Micheal Hill but isn't being Eric Clampton's son enough for one lifetime. It does suggest a sort of one-upmanship to get out from under his famous fathers shadow.

Actually, he found the Clapton thing out after the fact. He hadn't known his biological parents at all. He found his birth mother, asked her who the father was, and without hesitation she said Eric Clapton. But if you think about it (and this is the real point of interest here, assuming it's true) if Michael Lee Hill is of a Nibiruan bloodline and Eric Clapton is his father, that means Clapton may be too.


The connections to Marduk and central and South America is exactly the trail I wish to follow but there is no evidence of it in the Sumerian texts (obviously), nor in the Assyrian or Babylonian writings (not so obvious). Sitchin does mention it but does not state or report any facts to back up that proposition.

I would recommend maybe trying to contact Marshall Klarfeld directly if you want to understand his thinking on that. His e-mail is on his website. http://www.adamthemissinglink.com/info.html However, if you look at the descriptions given for Quetzalcoatl, it does sound awfully like how those of Nibiru are described. Very big, long white hair, pale white skin, etc. People wonder about why the name "the feathered serpent"....well, Ningishzidda, being the son of Enki, would have been a member of the Serpent Clan. Enlil's clan was the Ram clan. Or so I've read.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Okay then.

The tablets do not say which earth species was used for their bio-engineering program but that it hastened an already burgeoning species along its otherwise normal development and added some enhancements and blocks.

Maybe another way to put it might be that they took the genetics of a more advanced version of human already on the planet (since the time of Atlantis/Lemuria) and devolved it by deactivating certain genetic programming to create a slave race that could function at a somewhat low capacity in order to be effective workers yet not quite bright enough to question their servitude or revolt. And that would be us, more or less. ;)


I'd not thought of that and I like it, thanks. It would also have taken out a viable threat to their rule.


(Boy I wish I could figure out the quote thingie, it really is annoying)


I understand most people need multiple sources to lend credence to a point of view. All I can say is Jesus made it without corroboration, and Mohammad, Confucius, Budha and many others. Still, I get it. Sitchin understood this and he spends almost half the first book in the series explaining his interpretation and answering the points of his detractors in great detail. He even conceded a few points to his adversaries. To me that is a man of high morals and ethics, but I may be wrong. His translations really hinge on one idea - that the Anunaki were an alien race from another world. Using this premise, he extrapolated certain translations to enhance their meaning.

I will look up a few examples from "Worlds in Collision" for my next post.

An Annunaki/human hybrid rock star - who could make that stuff up? I love it!

[Maunagarjana]

(Boy I wish I could figure out the quote thingie, it really is annoying)

The format is
immediately before the quoted portion, and immediately after the quoted portion. I'm getting the hang of it. Which is handy for me, because I like responding to particular sentences (as you may have noticed) rather than doing an overall reply.


I understand most people need multiple sources to lend credence to a point of view. All I can say is Jesus made it without corroboration, and Mohammad, Confucius, Budha and many others. Still, I get it. Sitchin understood this and he spends almost half the first book in the series explaining his interpretation and answering the points of his detractors in great detail. He even conceded a few points to his adversaries. To me that is a man of high morals and ethics, but I may be wrong. His translations really hinge on one idea - that the Anunaki were an alien race from another world. Using this premise, he extrapolated certain translations to enhance their meaning.

Indeed, I'm not putting down Sitchin, I just try to stay somewhat skeptical that he was always or even usually right in his interpretations or that what he was working with was really on the mark. I've paid a lot of attention in the last few years to ET contactees, and some of the more credible ones do tend to deviate from Sitchin on some points in what they say, sometimes in ways that actually make more sense to me.....even though, as Bill pointed out, some people have said that he channeled his books somehow or was getting telepathic information, however you want to put it. It's certainly fascinating to ponder. I understand if you don't give much weight to contactee accounts, but I do try to factor them in when it seems appropriate. If you haven't already, I would highly suggest you read OnyxKnight's very long thread about his ET contacts which I find interesting. projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15909-My-ET-contact-experiences--discussions-Q-A-panel-etc There is stuff in there about the Anunnaki and Nibiru and so forth.


I will look up a few examples from "Worlds in Collision" for my next post.

An Annunaki/human hybrid rock star - who could make that stuff up? I love it!

Frank Herbert maybe, but he's past on. ;)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Maybe another way to put it might be that they took the genetics of a more advanced version of human already on the planet (since the time of Atlantis/Lemuria) and devolved it by deactivating certain genetic programming to create a slave race that could function at a somewhat low capacity in order to be effective workers yet not quite bright enough to question their servitude or revolt. And that would be us, more or less. ;)


I'd not thought of that and I like it, thanks. It would also have taken out a viable threat to their rule.



According to Barbara Marciniak's Pleaidians (if that is of interest here) Earth humans were very advanced around 300,000 years ago when they were raided by the reptilians. Before the raid, Earth was an interplanetary, inter dimensional communication center. Communication was not through technology, but via humans themselves. Due to complacency, the humans lost the war. Reptilians modified the human DNA to create a slave race to mine gold in Sumeria. There is more to the story, but channeled info may not be acceptable in this thread. Barbara Marciniak's book 'Bringers of the Dawn' is a good source of info, IMHO.

[ThePythonicCow]

(Boy I wish I could figure out the quote thingie, it really is annoying)
When you trimmed off the last 2/3's of Maunagarjana's (good), you trimmed off the closing [/QUOTE] (oops), which left the
... brackets unbalanced. There was one more opening
than closing . That won't work right. Those
... brackets must come in matching pairs to work right.

I fixed your post by adding back in the closing [/QUOTE], at the end of the words of Maunagarjana you quoted. To see what I changed, you can click on the Last edited by Paul; Today at ??:17. line below your post, that only you and I can see, and compare the last two versions of your post.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I am not prejudiced, info is info until proven otherwise.

I've read the book and others Barbara has written. Just had a look on my bookshelf but, alas, it seems I've given those books away. I often do that because I travel light. Or I should say I used to travel light. Now I find more value in staying put and I really could afford to keep my books. It is just that these days, in these uncertain times, there are more pressing issues and perhaps not as much time to dabble in unverifiable areas of research.

Funny I should say that in an "aliens are real" thread, I know. But I think the logic, if not the proof, of alien races visiting earth is pretty much a closed case. This universe is just too big to house only one race in, period.

That the remnants of a post-disaster high civilization like Atlantis or Lemuria being captured and "dumbed down" is not really all that far fetched when one considers the educational system in most modern countries nowadays. It seems to be the modus operandi of these alien races and is perhaps one of the proofs I am looking for.

Thanks for the input.

Still looking up examples of Sitchin addressing the concerns of his detractors. I thought it would be easier... Thing is, I get caught up in the material and end up rereading large portions just for the entertainment value. This stuff just blows me away. And I am not a speed reader, quite the opposite.

But I am tenatious when I set my mind to something so bear with me.

[DNA]

Again, I think the Annunaki are still on this planet. I've had a lot of time to digest Sitchin, I read him in 93' when I was but a wee lad.
To dig through Sitchin's material and look for some magic piece of information other folks have missed is to waste your time. That mine has been thoroughly worked.
If your looking to piece a puzzle like this together, what you need to do is start correlating with data unrelated to Sitchin.
Data that is not directly related to Sitchin, but still pings and returns Annunaki data.

Charles Forte does this for me, his "book of the damned" written in 1919 states that an extraterrestrial presense must exist on earth, how else is the media and acadamia so controlled and the topic of space craft kept out of history books and such. He stated this in 1919! :cantina::painkiller:


In the below excerpt Charles Forte says that not only is the earth owned, but the only reason that academics, politicians and institutions could be so complicit in the cover up, is if indeed there are agents of the aliens, provocateurs so to speak, on earth doing the alien’s bidding.



I suspect that, after all, we're useful—that among
contesting claimants, adjustment has occurred, or that
something now has a legal right to us, by force, or by
having paid out analogues of beads for us to former,
more primitive, owners of us—that all of this has been
known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this
earth, a cult or order, members of which function like
bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or
overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions
received—from Somewhere else—in our mysterious
usefulness.









I have long felt the Illuminati, if they exist, live underground, and are not seen by the eyes of man for the most part. Probably a huge contributer to this was my reading of HP Lovecraft's THE MOUND (http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/mo.asp)<--"free PDF", which was such an amazing short story, that felt layered with truth on some level. Also syncyhronistically enough I read Robert Anton Wilson's "The Illuminatus Trilogy" that same year. :ufo:

The Mound is the single best short story I have ever read, and I have read a lot of freaking stories. I have never heard a complaint from anyone I have talked into reading this story.

The Mound was written around 1930, and it blows me away how many correlations I see with this story and George Knapps documentary book "Hunt For The Skinwalker". High strangeness is reported on a secluded NE Utah ranch in Skinwalker and the correlations are incredible. Knapp never comes to a complete conclusian on what he thinks the poltergiest activity, cattle mutilations:cow:, cryptozological creature sightings and UFO sightings are, but, for one who has dabbled in the area of underground civilisations, it sounds strinkingly like this ranch was built on top of a ancient subturanean civilisation of sorts, and this is exactly what is stated in HP Lovecraft's THE MOUND.

I can not recommend The Mound enough, and the hyperlink at the top of this post is to a free online posting of the work.
I also cannot recomend Goerge Knapp's "Hunt for the Skinwalker" enough, or Robert Anton Wilson's "Illuminatis Trilogy" enough.

So, to summarize, I think these folks are still on planet earth, and I have no problem with thinking they are on mars as well, as Bill is stating he heard Henry Deacon state.
I think the interesting question is where on earth are they, or rather, where under earth are they. And to help answer this question I started this thread here.
Possible Subterranean Culture Entrances (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21485-Possible-Subterranean-Culture-Entrances) :alien:

[Ernie Nemeth]

While I read the suggested links by DNA, thanks, I will continue the background stuff on the Annunaki.

Their culture combines the earthly mathematics of base ten with the heavenly number six to arrive at their hexadecimal system base 60. Each of the primary gods, of which there are always twelve, had a corresponding number in this base 60 system. Males get numbers divisible by ten, females divisible by five. Here is the Sumerian ranking system for the pantheon of the gods:

60 - Anu
55 - Antu
50 - Enlil
45 - Ninlil
40 - Ea/Enki
35 - Ninki
30 - Nanna/Sin
25 - Ningal
20 - Utu/Shamash
15 - Inanna
10 - Ishkur/Adad
5 - Ninhursag


So far, I have found one example where Sitchin addresses his detractors - but only indirectly:
"Nor was Zu a "bird"; apparently he had at his disposal a "bird" in which he could fly away into hiding. It was from within such "birds" that the sky battle took place between two gods. And there can be no doubt regarding the nature of the weapon that finally smote Zu's "bird. Called Til in Sumerian and til-lum in Assyrian, it was written pictorially thus (picture of an arrow pointing to the right), and it must have meant then what til means nowadays in Hebrew: "missile".
This word, til/tillum, is one of the controversial words that detractors use to debunk Sitchin with. And there are many others. This is because the academics of the time and still today assume outright that ancient peoples and therefore their gods could not have flying machines and certainly not missiles. When one goes into depth on any subject one must never bring their own bias along with them - unfortunately they often if not invariably do.

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks, Ernie, I was about to post on the brothers Enkie and Enlil and that rift between them, that who knows, might be related to the current split in Annunaki and their relations to humans as is evidenced by Henrey Deacon.

There are many more questions that arise from Henrey's testimony, as Bill brought here, for example :

1) How much is known about the size of the empire of the Annunaki, and to where it extends? Is it within the near Galaxies or beyond?

2) Did Henrey talk about the overall attitude of black projects towards the Annunaki on Mars, as was presented to them in the briefing? was it sympatetic, a reality of cooperation which was necessary, was there any resentment?

3) What specific manners and features characterises the one's who Henrey met with, was it possible to create a common language or was it based on a kind of employee- employer relations (if that's at all possible to define)

P.s

It is also believed that Marduk, Enki's son, was conditioning earth hybrid population to serve him for the time when he and the rest of Annunakis from home planet Nibiru will be able to remain on Earth.

The question is, besides gold, what type of other sources do they find interest in? are those simply minerals and metals, or maybe a more biological source?


All very good questions Limor, wish I had answers for you.
It is evident that Enki/Ea has a fondness for the human race as he had a hand in its development. I think he might sort of consider us like beloved pets. But I do not want to be a pet.
Enki has no such love for mankind. He thinks it was a mistake to create us.

The Anunnaki are not from this solar system but they have colonies on some of the planets and moons of our system. This much is alluded to in the Earth Chronicles series. Another data point is that they claim the sun has a smaller companion star - our system is a binary system. Somehow their planet got caught by our sun and that perturbated its orbit enough to cause cataclysmic events in our neighborhood of which the asteroid belt is the most familiar remnant. Not new info but pertinent to the discusion, I think.

This caused their planet to elongate into an elliptical orbit like a comet with an orbital period of about 3,600 years (the anunnaki call this period a sar).

Because of this long year, they claim to have lifespans thousands of years longer than man. In other words, these gods, Anu, Enlil, Enki and the rest, are only a few years older today, by their standards, than they were back in the time of the Sumerians. That means these same players are most likely alive today - if we take them at their word.

I know none of this answers your questions directly. But if they are that old, by our standards, then they must have much different attitudes and priorities towards everything than us short-lived humans. They cannot be anthropomorphosized...that is, they cannot have their motives analyzed by human standards.

[DNA]

While I read the suggested links by DNA, thanks, I will continue the background stuff on the Annunaki.

Their culture combines the earthly mathematics of base ten with the heavenly number six to arrive at their hexadecimal system base 60. Each of the primary gods, of which there are always twelve, had a corresponding number in this base 60 system. Males get numbers divisible by ten, females divisible by five. Here is the Sumerian ranking system for the pantheon of the gods:

60 - Anu
55 - Antu
50 - Enlil
45 - Ninlil
40 - Ea/Enki
35 - Ninki
30 - Nanna/Sin
25 - Ningal
20 - Utu/Shamash
15 - Inanna
10 - Ishkur/Adad
5 - Ninhursag


So far, I have found one example where Sitchin addresses his detractors - but only indirectly:
"Nor was Zu a "bird"; apparently he had at his disposal a "bird" in which he could fly away into hiding. It was from within such "birds" that the sky battle took place between two gods. And there can be no doubt regarding the nature of the weapon that finally smote Zu's "bird. Called Til in Sumerian and til-lum in Assyrian, it was written pictorially thus (picture of an arrow pointing to the right), and it must have meant then what til means nowadays in Hebrew: "missile".
This word, til/tillum, is one of the controversial words that detractors use to debunk Sitchin with. And there are many others. This is because the academics of the time and still today assume outright that ancient peoples and therefore their gods could not have flying machines and certainly not missiles. When one goes into depth on any subject one must never bring their own bias along with them - unfortunately they often if not invariably do.

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An interesting note from Robert Morningsky's Terra Papers (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/08PDF_Files/The_Terra_Papers_Parts_1_and_2.pdf)<--"free PDF", Morningsky states that Enlil used his own genetics and hybridized them into the earth man because of his sense of impropriety with man's abuse and probably termination because of Enki. Because of Enlil's infusian of genetics we became elevated to the status of royalty and our before status as slaves was nullified.
I don't know if Morningsky's story of his grandfather getting this story from a crashed UFO saucer occupant in the reservation is real or just a piece of literary fiction based off of Sitchin, but it is interesting.

Morningsky also states that the Annunaki, while mammels like ourselves, were descended from wolf-like creatures, I find the very interesting.

[kersley]

Okay then.

The tablets do not say which earth species was used for their bio-engineering program but that it hastened an already burgeoning species along its otherwise normal development and added some enhancements and blocks..

I thought that the Sumerian's were black headed people? Also didn't 200 of the Igigi's came here from Mars to celebrate Marduk's wedding?

[kersley]

And are those 200 Igigi's that came here from Mars not the same 200 fallen Angels that interbred with earth women. I remember reading they were kicked out of town with their human wives and told to leave never to return.

[Tesseract]

Imagine the herculean task of imprinting stones either by carving or through the use of cylinder scrolls! The idea of setting in stone a lie seems like a huge waste of effort.


Didn't they just scratch their script into wet clay and then fire it? I believe the relative ease of this process explains the large numbers of tablets that were made.

Edit: Looks like they only semi-hardened the clay by sunlight exposure. This link has a good introduction: http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=1525

[Ernie Nemeth]

I thought that the Sumerian's were black headed people? Also didn't 200 of the Igigi's came here from Mars to celebrate Marduk's wedding?


That is what they were called after they were created, I believe. I think you are right about the wedding. Maybe the Igigi only prefer being in their spaceships not necessarily bound there by biology.



And are those 200 Igigi's that came here from Mars not the same 200 fallen Angels that interbred with earth women. I remember reading they were kicked out of town with their human wives and told to leave never to return.

Nothing I remember about Mars at all in the Chronicles. The Nephelim are the ones that first interbred with humans. I believe they were the common Anunnaki - not royalty. When they first arrived there were only fifty of them, including the ruling class and there were no humans then.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Didn't they just scratch their script into wet clay and then fire it? I believe the relative ease of this process explains the large numbers of tablets that were made.


My first thought is, only the artisans and priest might have had writing skills. And even if they all could write, don't you think they had better things to do than spend their time making false statements in stone? I've written numerous books, but I did not lie on purpose. And its much easier to write on a computer and be done with it than scratch things in wet stone, place them in a kiln and fire them, or even place them in the sun as you suggest.
But they also used the cylinder scroll method, where they would carve onto a very hard circular stone a negative image that could them be rolled on wet clay to make multiple copies. That certainly takes a great deal of skill, effort and time.
I've yet to look at the link you provided...

[kersley]

I thought that the Sumerian's were black headed people? Also didn't 200 of the Igigi's came here from Mars to celebrate Marduk's wedding?


That is what they were called after they were created, I believe. I think you are right about the wedding. Maybe the Igigi only prefer being in their spaceships not necessarily bound there by biology.



And are those 200 Igigi's that came here from Mars not the same 200 fallen Angels that interbred with earth women. I remember reading they were kicked out of town with their human wives and told to leave never to return.

Nothing I remember about Mars at all in the Chronicles. The Nephelim are the ones that first interbred with humans. I believe they were the common Anunnaki - not royalty. When they first arrived there were only fifty of them, including the ruling class and there were no humans then.

All the above is from The Lost Book Of Enki..

[Ernie Nemeth]

Excellent link Tessaract, thank you!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Darn, that one seems to be a favorite - it is never at my second-hand bookstore. Neither are books four and five of the Earth Chronicle series.

I suddenly have lots of time on my hands so I'll wander down there today and see what they have to offer.

[Deega]

Enlil and Enki are the two prominent sons of Anu, the ruler of the Annunaki. Anu divided the rule of earth between these two sons. Enlil was given the lands north of Africa and Enki those further south. Enlil, however was placed in charge of the Igigi, the spacefarers that circled the earth in their spaceships. Not much is said about the Igigi, except that they did not like being planet-bound, or maybe could not even land if they wanted to due to physical factors not elaborated on in the texts. This designation, gave Enlil supreme cammand over all of Earth.

Enlil did not much like the genetically manipulated indigenous species and tried to have them exterminated several times. It was Enki (also known as Ea) that came to man's rescue twice in the nick of time. It was Enki who, with the help of another of the Nibiruan gods, altered our DNA and infused it with their own, thereby jump starting our rapid rise on the evolutionary ladder. But they also made certain that some of the more advanced traits were locked away and inaccessible to individual humans (we call this "junk" DNA today).

More on this later.


Thanks Ernie, a few years back, I had the opportunity to read Anton Parks work ''Girku Chronicles'', French books that must of been translated now.

Intelligent beings from Orion, Sirius, and part of our Solar System were caught up in a war and many of them came to Earth to a safe heaven.

At 14 years of age, Anton Parks was inundated with a bright lights (lasting for approx an hour, many time a week for 10 years) that started a process of collecting information that lead him through the years to write five books on the subject that I find intriguing and interesting.

While receiving this information, he had no clue as to what to make of this, at one point he became interested in the cunieform written language particularly the Sumerian, the Akkadien where he was able to put together his story in light with the Sumerian Akkadien clay tablets.

I thought I mentioned this since it would fit in with your Tread.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks Deega, will put that on my list of things to look up.

Your post reminded me of the second book in my science fiction trilogy, of which I only wrote the first since I could not get published. No matter, really, electrician pays better.

The point is the outline, in brief: A planet is flung out of its orbit into deep space. The race of beings on the planet learn how to survive without a home sun and eventually find a way to alter the trajectory of their planet. They send out search parties to find a good new home star and steer towards it. Yup, you guessed it, they arrive at our solar system but things go wrong and one of their moons smashes into the planet that is now the asteroid belt. I still have the outline somewhere around here. How co-incidental is that? No wonder I am fascinated by the history of the Anunnaki. Thanks for the reminder.

[Deega]

Thanks Deega, will put that on my list of things to look up.

Your post reminded me of the second book in my science fiction trilogy, of which I only wrote the first since I could not get published. No matter, really, electrician pays better.

The point is the outline, in brief: A planet is flung out of its orbit into deep space. The race of beings on the planet learn how to survive without a home sun and eventually find a way to alter the trajectory of their planet. They send out search parties to find a good new home star and steer towards it. Yup, you guessed it, they arrive at our solar system but things go wrong and one of their moons smashes into the planet that is now the asteroid belt. I still have the outline somewhere around here. How co-incidental is that? No wonder I am fascinated by the history of the Anunnaki. Thanks for the reminder.

Thanks Ernie, how unfortunate you could not find a publisher for your second book!

There is a section in Anton Parks work he write that a collision occured between two planets (between Mars and Jupiter) that got smash and turn out to be the asteriod belt. The Gina-Abul used that planet on their voyages in our Solar System. The similarities are striking.

The best to you!

[AlaBil]

Thanks Ernie, a few years back, I had the opportunity to read Anton Parks work ''Girku Chronicles'', French books that must of been translated now.

Deega... I cannot find the Anton Parks books translated into English anywhere. Do you know of any place?

I found this site showing some excerpts from his work...http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html

[Deega]

Thanks Ernie, a few years back, I had the opportunity to read Anton Parks work ''Girku Chronicles'', French books that must of been translated now.

Deega... I cannot find the Anton Parks books translated into English anywhere. Do you know of any place?

I found this site showing some excerpts from his work...http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html

Hey thanks AlaBil, yes!, great!, you find Anton Parks works in English, glad to know, was not aware of it, I'll be checking to see if something was added up after his first five books.

Edit: I find an eBook in Scribb, I'll be searching the web to find out if translation have advance.

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/30374546/Ages-of-Uras-The-Secret-of-the-Dark-Stars-Anton-Park

The Eden Saga
http://eden-saga.com/en/sumer-mythology-anunnaki-oannes-nommo-viracocha-serpent-people-enki.html
A translation of his first book
http://bibliotecapleyades.lege.net/sumer_anunnaki/secretdarkstars/Secret1.htm#ANNALS%20OF%20THE%20GINAABUL
A discussion Forum on Anton Parks work
http://www.nas2406.com/antonparksforum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1240
Another discussion Forum on the First book of Anton Parks
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=27876.0

I'm surprise, Anton Parks received help on translation, but, not all of his French books have been translated, I guess it will come rapidly, hopefully!

[Ernie Nemeth]

The bookstore I frequent has nothing new on this topic right now. Too bad.

Right now I'm reading two of Sitchin's books:
Book 7 of the Earth Chronicles - The End of Days
Genesis Revisited

Did you know that Sitchin went on record three weeks before Voyager 1 spacecraft reached Neptune and predicted its color, composition and some other features of that world before the spacecraft reached the planet. He was right on every point. His source were the ancient writings of the Sumerian culture. I find that alone irrefutable proof of Sitchins claims. Of course I'm sure he was incorrect in some of his interpretations - he was only human after all. But it sure seems to prove the Sumerians claims of an extraterrestrial race - how else could they have known about these outer planets that no one can see from earth and were only discovered recently by modern science (the last 250 years or so - in the case of Uranus, less than 200 for Neptune and under 100 for Pluto)?

About halfway through The Mound book. Interesting read. So many links to read. Thanks everyone.

[Deega]

The bookstore I frequent has nothing new on this topic right now. Too bad.

Right now I'm reading two of Sitchin's books:
Book 7 of the Earth Chronicles - The End of Days
Genesis Revisited

Did you know that Sitchin went on record three weeks before Voyager 1 spacecraft reached Neptune and predicted its color, composition and some other features of that world before the spacecraft reached the planet. He was right on every point. His source were the ancient writings of the Sumerian culture. I find that alone irrefutable proof of Sitchins claims. Of course I'm sure he was incorrect in some of his interpretations - he was only human after all. But it sure seems to prove the Sumerians claims of an extraterrestrial race - how else could they have known about these outer planets that no one can see from earth and were only discovered recently by modern science (the last 250 years or so - in the case of Uranus, less than 200 for Neptune and under 100 for Pluto)?

About halfway through The Mound book. Interesting read. So many links to read. Thanks everyone.

Great Ernie, you're on the discovery path on Stichin work. I never read much of it, unfortunately, I was influenced by the interview David Ickle did with Arizona Wilde, she mentioned that Stitchin, like many other bloodlines, used to participate in bizarre rituals. So I didn't push in Stichin direction, probably will be missing pieces of this great Sumerian Culture, cunieforms puzzle.

As per Anton Park, it has been a year now since reading his work. He was supposed to terminate other books on the Sumerian and Akkadian lives on Earth.

I should add that I was really impressed by his work, at first, I was somewhat shock, Gina-Abul were Reptile, but with time and reading I became accustomed to these beings and their customs.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I am not prejudiced, info is info until proven otherwise.

I've read the book and others Barbara has written. Just had a look on my bookshelf but, alas, it seems I've given those books away. I often do that because I travel light. Or I should say I used to travel light. Now I find more value in staying put and I really could afford to keep my books. It is just that these days, in these uncertain times, there are more pressing issues and perhaps not as much time to dabble in unverifiable areas of research.


Some of Barbara's information is available on Youtube. Her information was my introduction to the reptilians, a fascinating journey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKpVR0jqL3w



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKpVR0jqL3w

[Ernie Nemeth]

With all the talk about the pope's abdication, I thought I would add some parallels from more ancient times.

For instance the crossing that christians do dates back way before christianity. Its roots are from the Babylonian times when Marduk, son of Enki, was the primary god of the times. Marduk's name became synonymous with the planet of the gods, Nibiru - the planet of the crossing, as it was called. Not only the crossing of oneself but the equal armed cross symbol originated in these times. There are many pictures of ancient peoples bearing the cross at heart level.

Also, today prayers end with the word amen. This is a direct reference to the god AmonRa, almost blatantly referencing the genesis of the christian faith and tying it all neatly back to the Egyptian dynasties and even earlier times. These are the two main gods that competed for supremacy in ancient times that I referenced in an earlier post - the "unseen" god and the "seen" god.

There are so many parallels between christianity and the Sumerian theosophy that the correlation is all but irrefutable. Almost every story in the bible is a truncated version of a Sumerian story written and preserved in the tablets of the Sumerians. Some may not want to hear this and wish to deny it but the evidence is there for all to see. Even the god Yaweh(spelling?) is alluded to in the ancient works.

Another interesting point is the year count of the Hebrew cabalists (Kabbalah?) that at the moment is almost 5,800 years, I believe. What are they counting? They are counting from the time Nibiru swung around this solar system two orbits ago! They don't up and admit that, but it is the truth. One could ask, whose return are they waiting for, really? This is not conspiracy theory, this is fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar

Thanks for all the contributors to this thread. I have so much referencing to do I'll be busy for months with it. Maybe we can make a dent in uncovering the last part of the title of this thread: Where are the Anunnaki today?

None of what I have posted is meant as an attack to any religion or belief. But if we want to understand why we are where we are, we must understand the truth of our history, not the made up story of the victors.

[Fred Steeves]

Well, hopefully this is not off topic, but I contend that the era starting in the Sumerian days, or even Atlantis for that matter, is only the latest chapter of a very very long Earth story. Sort of like for most every day people, going back to 18 or 1900 is ancient history. The Annunaki may just be the the latest players, with history before them having been long consumed by time.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I am reading so many books at once I can barely keep them sorted in my mind. I see now that Sitchin left his best points for the last book in his series, or perhaps that is because by then he had a comprehensive overview arranged neatly in his own mind. Here is a footnote from the End of Days, the seventh and last book in his series, The Earth Chronicles. In it he names some of his contemporaries and scholars from the era before his that his work is based on. He also mentions some of the contentious issues he faced and the controversies he championed.

The extensive astronomical data that have been found attracted, already in the 19th and early 20th centuries, the time, attention and patience of scholarly giants who brilliantly combined "Assyriology" with knowledge of astronomy. The very first book of The Earth Chronicles, The 12th Planet, covered and used the work and achievements of the likes of Franz Kugler, Ernst Weidner, Erich Ebeling, Herman Hilprecht, Alfred Jeremias, Morris Jastrow, Albert Schott and Th. G. Pinches, among others. Their task was complicated by the fact that the same kakkabu (any celestial body, including planets, fixed stars, and constellations) could have more than one name. I also pointed out right then and there the most basic failing of their work: they all assumed that the Sumerians and other ancient peoples had no way of knowing ("with the naked eye") about planets beyond Saturn. The result was that whenever a planet was named other than the accepted names for the "seven known kakkabani" - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn - it was assumed to just be yet another name for one of those "known seven". The principal victim of that erroneous stance was Nibiru: whenever it or its Babylonian equivalent "planet Marduk" was listed, it was assumed to be another name for Jupiter or Mars or (in some extreme views) even for Mercury. Incredibly, modern establishment astronomers continue to base their work on that "only seven" assumption - in spite of the vast contrary evidence that shows that the Sumerians knew the true shape and composition of our solar system, starting with the naming of the outer planets in Enuma elish, or the 4,500 year-old depiction of the complete twelve-member solar system, with the sun in the center, on cylinder seal VA/243 in the Berlin Museum, or the depiction of twelve planetary symbols on Assyrian and Babylonian monuments, etc.

In this last book Sitchin ties in what happened to the Anunnaki after they left the middle east. In another post I will outline some of that history.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have long felt the Illuminati, if they exist, live underground, and are not seen by the eyes of man for the most part. Probably a huge contributer to this was my reading of HP Lovecraft's THE MOUND <--"free PDF", which was such an amazing short story, that felt layered with truth on some level. Also syncyhronistically enough I read Robert Anton Wilson's "The Illuminatus Trilogy" that same year.

The Mound is the single best short story I have ever read, and I have read a lot of freaking stories. I have never heard a complaint from anyone I have talked into reading this story.

The Mound was written around 1930, and it blows me away how many correlations I see with this story and George Knapps documentary book "Hunt For The Skinwalker". High strangeness is reported on a secluded NE Utah ranch in Skinwalker and the correlations are incredible. Knapp never comes to a complete conclusian on what he thinks the poltergiest activity, cattle mutilations, cryptozological creature sightings and UFO sightings are, but, for one who has dabbled in the area of underground civilisations, it sounds strinkingly like this ranch was built on top of a ancient subturanean civilisation of sorts, and this is exactly what is stated in HP Lovecraft's THE MOUND.

I can not recommend The Mound enough, and the hyperlink at the top of this post is to a free online posting of the work.
I also cannot recomend Goerge Knapp's "Hunt for the Skinwalker" enough, or Robert Anton Wilson's "Illuminatis Trilogy" enough.

So, to summarize, I think these folks are still on planet earth, and I have no problem with thinking they are on mars as well, as Bill is stating he heard Henry Deacon state.
I think the interesting question is where on earth are they, or rather, where under earth are they. And to help answer this question I started this thread here.
Possible Subterranean Culture Entrances

Finished reading The Mound. Great story, DNA. Is it true? He had me on the edge of my seat from chapter five on when he began relating the Spaniard's manuscript and account of his time in the underground world. Scary stuff and utterly transfixing. I agree, a very good read - for many reasons. It opens up entirely new angles of thought I'd never considered. It's one thing to consider malevolent cultures far more advanced than ours. It is another thing entirely to have them described as utterly foreign to human conventions and comportment. Could we ever become like that? I shudder to think it so...

As for the subterranean entrances; I was surprised to find one listed not two blocks from where I've been working for the last six months: Toronto, Parliament and Front Streets, between two buildings. Supposedly the sewers there connect to one such complex under Lake Ontario. And I thought I lived in a pretty much boring area where there are no sacred sites or any significant grid/ley lines or any other sort of esoterica. For a moment I entertained the idea of maybe having a go at finding the entrance...na...I'm not very adventuresome in that sort of way.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I'm almost finished reading the last book in the series, End of Days. He has one more point to make and I can't put the book down right now in anticipation of it.

It seems the evidence points to the Anunnaki having left earth entirely, perhaps to go to the moon and Mars, but off our planet at least. For a time it seemed that Yahweh was another of the Anunnaki but it seems that god had other origins. Yahweh supplanted those other gods and pushed them out. Now I wonder what race of beings Yahweh belongs to...

The Anunnaki did continue their influence in the Americas for a time. Thoth/Adad was certainly there as Quezecutal(?) - the serpent god. And Enki brought some people from Africa with him to the Andes that became the Omecs. That is the most likely origin of the Nasca Lines on the high plateaus of Peru.

As for Marduk and his son Nabu who had such influence over the Babylonians, they most certainly grew old, died and were buried in the Arabian Pennisula, as the story goes. Which brings up the question of what happened to their supposed immortality? But I'll leave that question hanging as no answer seems forthcoming in that regard.

More to come...

[turiya]

The man tells a good Yogi Berra joke. A guy with a good sense of humor can't be all bad.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/images/men_in4.jpg

A Secret Ritual of the Illuminati, or “Frank’s Death-bed” by Jonathan Sellers,
...those present include Zecharia Sitchin, Meade Layne, Mr. Sellers, Dr. Greenfield, Aleister Crowley, Mark Probert, Father_ACME, and, lying on the death-bed: Jacob Frank.

Cheers - turiya

[Ernie Nemeth]

Dear Turiya,
Thank you for your contribution.

Unfortunately, this is not the topic under discusion here. Although I can accept that Sitchin may have received channeled messages to decipher some of the cuniform writings of the Sumerians, no one is saying that the Sumerians channeled anything. They recounted their history as it happened to them. That's all.

If you do not believe in Sitchin's interpretation, that is your prerogative, and I respect that. Please respect mine as well.
This thread is about the history of the Anunnaki as physically recorded on ancient texts. It is provable and not subject to derision simply because one authority has a different take on the evidence than another. Sitchin does not mislead, and where there is controversial interpretations he goes to great lengths to make his point clear - as well as cover the others side's opinion on the matter.

Also, he is dead now, and I don't think it is helpful to denegrate his lifetime's body of work. The Anunnaki did indeed exist. They brought civilization to a group of nomads. There is no arguing that.

If you wish to continue sharing please do so without attacking Sitchin's legacy. Instead, maybe you would like to research some of his colleages who took issue with his work, not another channeler refuting channeling.
Thank you.

[turiya]

Dear Turiya,
Thank you for your contribution.

Unfortunately, this is not the topic under discusion here. Although I can accept that Sitchin may have received channeled messages to decipher some of the cuniform writings of the Sumerians, no one is saying that the Sumerians channeled anything. They recounted their history as it happened to them. That's all.

If you do not believe in Sitchin's interpretation, that is your prerogative, and I respect that. Please respect mine as well.
This thread is about the history of the Anunnaki as physically recorded on ancient texts. It is provable and not subject to derision simply because one authority has a different take on the evidence than another. Sitchin does not mislead, and where there is controversial interpretations he goes to great lengths to make his point clear - as well as cover the others side's opinion on the matter.

Also, he is dead now, and I don't think it is helpful to denegrate his lifetime's body of work. The Anunnaki did indeed exist. They brought civilization to a group of nomads. There is no arguing that.

If you wish to continue sharing please do so without attacking Sitchin's legacy. Instead, maybe you would like to research some of his colleages who took issue with his work, not another channeler refuting channeling.
Thank you.
Apologies for the disruption.

...no one is saying that the Sumerians channeled anything...
That includes me. This was not what was said in my original posted message.

There was no intention of attacking Sitchin that was made. That is your perception, imo. Bill Ryan was the one that mentioned the idea that Sitchin received channeled information to help him in the translation of the Sumerian clay tablets.

But Zeharia Sitchin is not the only one that has done research, or (as Bill Ryan points out) has been contacted by aliens that are called the Annunaki.

Perhaps, you should have named this thread differently. In the title of this thread, you ask the question, in so many words - Where have the Annunaki gone to? (i.e. Where are they today?)

Chris Thomas has clearly said in his writings that he respects all of what Zecharia Sitchin was about. He was just unknowingly being used by the Annunaki to implement their own agenda - which is the Velon agenda of trying to take over this planet for themselves.

Chris Thomas has also done research on the subject. In his research, he has found that the Annunaki have been removed from this solar system for a very good reason. Except for a few stragglers, they have been ejected from this planet for violating the basic rules for why this Universe exists, and why we are here on this Earth as human beings:
(1) to see if physical life is possible while being provided with
(2) "the freedom of choice".The Annunaki (as a sub-race of the alien race called Velon) have violated this basic rule of why we are here on this planet. They have been interfering with the human being's freedom of choice.

So, my posted message is providing information to the basic question that you have proposed in the title of this thread. I didn't mean, or expect, you to be upset about what was posted in this regard. I am not a pundit... nor claim to be an intellectual scholar, nor am I into any established religions of any type. I just started researching Sitchin & found out some things that I thought would be of interest to others... meant no disrespect.

I will post this Chris Thomas information elsewhere:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50472-Leo-Zagami-saying-Zecharia-Sitchin-was-Illuminati&p=639025&viewfull=1#post639025

Cheers - turiya

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Turiya!

Hey! Not Fair. You edited your last post and made it far longer. lol
Lucky I stopped by to see where I left off and what to post next.

I am not at all upset, just standing firm about what I believe is a very important topic. I see towards the end I did say "attack". I should have qualified that statement. I've tried posting info on the Sumerians before and have come across this resistance to any mention of Anunnakis as physically documented by this ancient culture. It is like a short circuit intentionally wired into our collective psyches so that we do not look any closer at the facts.

I'm trying to rewire that connection so that it does not follow the circular path into oblivion. Darn, I have to keep such a close eye on my inclination to hold an agenda. They often backfire on me. I honestly was hoping you would bring some other info to the table. I guess I used the wrong set of words.

I'm not a very good researcher or documenter, so please bear with me. Bit sick of the fluffy white cloud and sunshine and flower approach I am so good at, so I'm trying something different. Bill says there are priorities we should be looking at, I agree. This is my attempt to follow his advice. I find that by connecting the dots, there is no use stopping at the human connection - it obviously goes way beyond that, here on this planet. Our masters are not human, and I want to find out what they are. The Anunnaki seemed an obvious place to start because their presence here, at least in the past, is irrefutable thanks to the Sumerians.

I don't want to enter into a 100 page discusion about speculations. What could or might be happening doesn't interest me. I want to follow the trail of hard evidence instead and see where that leads. Then we'll see what can be deduced/deducted using those facts as the basis.

Maybe I'm behind the curve again, that's alright with me. At least I can be comfortable with what I uncover and be confident that those are facts that can serve as my foundation in the search for the truth of our predicament on this crazy planet of half-truths and lies. I've been lied to my whole life, everything I've been taught is suspect. I cannot let that continue. It hurts my soul. But speculation is even worse and serves only to divide us and leave us floundering, unable to decide what to do to change things for the better - if such a thing is even possible.

So I would encourage you to continue contributing to this thread as I believe you want the same thing as I do.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Before I continue with Sitchin's work, I thought it would be interesting to see what the scientific community has to say about the origins of life. I stopped keeping up with science in 1999 so I did not know that the prevailing theory had changed. Seems, as Sitchin cited back in 1986, that science now thinks life was seeded on earth, by an advanced civilization, around 4 billion years ago. The theory is called directed panspermia.

Here is a link to a website that carries the published .paper, co-authored by none other than the famous Sir Francis Crick, founder of the DNA molecule and Nobel Laureate.


http://journalofcosmology.com/Panspermia1.html

The reasoning is a bit convoluted and not without its detractors to this day. The problem is, first and foremost that science really has no idea how life started, or how it could have started all by itself. There is a window of time problem and also a contentious, chicken or egg scenario, about what came first, the virus or the bacterium - although neither can address the real issue of the DNA molecule and its cousin RNA, on which all life is based. The window of time for life to have begun has been narrowed down to about 200 million years, for various reasons, and that is not considered enough time for these complex forms to have spontaneously arose out of inannimate matter.

A long but interesting read.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is a link to a website that carries the published .paper, co-authored by none other than the famous Sir Francis Crick, founder of the DNA molecule and Nobel Laureate.

http://journalofcosmology.com/Panspermia1.html
Do you mean this paper, at that link:



Origins, Evolution, and Distribution of Life in the Cosmos:
Panspermia, Genetics, Microbes, and
Viral Visitors From the Stars

Rhawn Joseph, Ph.D. and Rudolf Schild, Ph.D.
I do not see Sir Francis Crick on the list of authors, nor would I expect to see him authoring a recent paper, as he died in 2004. So perhaps I have the wrong paper?

Or perhaps you refer to this book, written by Francis Crick and published in 1981: Life Itself: Its Origin and Nature (http://amzn.com/0671255622)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Paul, The paper was titled Directed Panspermia (Icarus, vol.19).
It was discussed at length at the 8th Conference on the Origins of Life, held at Bereley, California, in 1986.

And this brings me to the third problem that prompted Crick to make such an audacious claim, namely, that life is too fragile to survive the rigors of space. What this meant is that life could not just float around in space (simple Panspermia theory) until it by chance landed on some habitable planet or moon suitable for life. So if life did not have enough time to get started on earth spontaneously (1) and if life then must have come from elsewhere (2) and if life could not just by chance be floating around in space waiting to find a suitable location (3) then it stood to reason that it was purposely "guided" here by other intelligences.

Here we see the short circuit of rational thought again. What Crick did not consider was that perhaps life piggy-backs on comets or asteroids or planets knocked out of their orbits that can insulate the seeds of life long enough and safely enough to then by chance land on other planets that could then support their further evolution.
And that is the true mechanism of seeding life throughout the universe. It is not necessary for life to be directed to host planets by a master race, it can find its own way there - back to Panspermia. Panspermia is today's leading theory on how life arrived on planet earth.

The theory states that the seeds of life are floating around the universe and that any chance encounters with even marginally supportive worlds will suffice. Therefore, there should be evidence of life all over our solar system, not only on earth!

All this took place at that Berkely symposium. And that is the real reason scientist began pushing for space probes to visit the other planets in our solar system. First, it was proven beyond a doubt that comets and asteroids could in fact protect these precursors to life and that there were even evidence that there were these "seeds of life" on them (not only the chemical precursors like the twenty-odd amino acids and primitive protein chains but actual cell-like looking things). It turned out that these seeds were far more hardy than at first thought they might be...

And this brings us back to the Sumerian writings and their claim that life was seeded in our solar system by the arrival of the rogue planet Nibiru and its company of moons!

Next up, the genesis of our solar system.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, The paper was titled Directed Panspermia (Icarus, vol.19).
It was discussed at length at the 8th Conference on the Origins of Life, held at Bereley, California, in 1986.
Ah - that would be (I suppose) this paper: Directed panspermia (F.H.C. Crick & L.E. Orgel; 1973; Elsevier Inc.) (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0019103573901103)

I found the original paper on line: http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retrieve/ResourceMetadata/SCBCCP

[Youniverse]

Hi! Maybe this was said already, so sorry in advance if it was. I recently watched a video on another thread with Carol Rosin speaking about ETs and the weapons in space program. She said (in 2011 I believe) that there are no more malevolent ETs around our planet. She said it was all worked out and the ones that did the abductions and hurt people apologized for it and said it would not happen again. I just thought that might be relevant to this discussion.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I really do not have time to write, nor am I in the right enviroment, since I have none of my source material on hand but a comment on another thread impelled me to continue, just out of pain stuborness.

According to the anunnaki, as the Sumerians relate the tale, it is their world that caused all the havoc early in our solar system. Wherever thier system came from, it somehow was drawn into our solar system and over a period of several rotations around the sun, it banged into the planets already here.

Some think that perhaps the majority of meterorites are remnants from these colassal collisions. No planet was spared a hit or near miss. Some exchanged moons with the foreign system and that is why some of their roational axis spin clockwise instead of the normal counter-clockwise fashion of the rest of our solar system.

The Sumerians claim that on one such swing into our solar system, their moon Klingu collided with a planet that used to be where the asteroid belt of today is. That planet was called Tiamat. In the encounter Kingu cleaved the planet in two and flinging one half into a new orbit - to become our earth. The other half later disinterated and became the asteroid belt. One of the larger fragment's orbit destabalised and careened into the proto earth's vicinity eventually colliding with it and tearing a large portion of it away. Th ecollision slowed this fragments speed and the resulting material was caught in the earth gravitation well, becoming our moon.

There are a lot more interesting tidbits about the solar system and planet Nibiru's influence on it but my notes are not at hand.

A tangent to this thread is the fact that there is mounting evidence of a secret association dating back into the mists of time, predating our writen records that may have started this story in order to safe-gaurded their secret. This secret is so important that it had to be ultra-carefully diseminated to the public in such a way that it would survive even world-wide catastrophes and still not fall into the wrong hands.

The more the dots come together the less important alien intervention becomes, whether true or untrue. The "conspiracy" now seems to be more likely of earthly origins and of a positive nature instead of negative. This makes a lot of sense considering how there does not seem to be too much speculation about the "good" side and their counter-measures to compensate for all the bad the "bad" side is doing.

This forum makes it seem as though there is this giant nefarious "evil" out there running rampant with no counter to their nasty plans. I always found that idea wanting, for if there is bad there is always good nearby balancing the scales - it is only natural.

Seems there is and it has been with us for a very long time. The secret is kept by a group of devotes adept at the ancients arts and they manipulate and mitigate the negative side's agenda while keeping their secrets hidden away in far-off lands. They employ the use of codes and figurative story telling and history replete with allegories to hide their truth in plain site. But those with a certain astutue mindset and a high enough levelof awareness can decipher that code and reveal the ancient rite of our ancestors.

Wherever they are found they are always called, the Shining Ones or similar names, like the Watchers, the Travellers, the Divas, etc. and associated with the cult of the Snake - although there are also references made to the Pheonix, Dove, Hawk, Eagle and others.

I place this reference here because although it seems off topic we shall see that the Sumerian gods had a direct influence on other cultures and that there are also even more ancient civilizations from where these travellers hailed. Regardless of current "hot" topics, this is the most relavent and factual trail of breadcrumbs by far. No need for AI, aliens, fairies, dimensional beings, critters, archons, or any other far flung esoterica.

The only other topic of more value is Wades Thread on the energy issue.

And I promise we will find the whereabouts of those ellusive alien anunnaki, if they in fact ever existed.

[Ernie Nemeth]

We see the emblem of the clan of Enlil , the eagle, firmly seated in the USA. And as is wont of these Anunaki, they exploit until there is nothing left but chaos and disorder. It is their hallmark, to bleed a region dry , to exploit its natural and human resources until there is only dust and desecration. Then they disappear, only to rise again in another region, with another empire to continue their hedonistic march to oblivion.

It works for them, it does not do us much good.

Look for the snake and the dragon next. That will be their new home.

[turiya]

We see the emblem of the clan of Enlil , the eagle, firmly seated in the USA. And as is wont of these Anunaki, they exploit until there is nothing left but chaos and disorder. It is their hallmark, to bleed a region dry , to exploit its natural and human resources until there is only dust and desecration. Then they disappear, only to rise again in another region, with another empire to continue their hedonistic march to oblivion.

It works for them, it does not do us much good.

Look for the snake and the dragon next. That will be their new home.

I would augment to say: They create the chaos & disorder... and watch us silly humans go at each other's throats, and then make their claim to a depleted planet. That is their legacy.... to reign over a dying planet... they relish in what misery they can create...

I present to you, the Twilight Zone Episode:

"The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street"
Enjoy!


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/THE_MONSTERS_ARE_DUE_ON_MAPLE_STREET2.png (http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2799413017/?ref_=tt_ov_vi)

(Please Note: Includes commercial content)

[dim]

What bugs me the most is the fact that we tend to assume an entire race as static
as if they are rocks, same after thousands of years, performing their evil deeds throughout the ages again and again successfully giving us the perfect alibi to transfer the blame of our misery

But even rocks change
and annunaki are creatures too, inhabited by souls and souls evolve towards completion
and all soul groups have to go the furthest they can exploring separation
which means a long trip deep in to duality playing the role of perpetrator and tyrant for quite some time

Annunaki are no less of a species that went through the same path, along with their fellow Sirians
and found themselves deeply involved with earth's own evolution and the life upon her
and a species in their early soul development tend to be egoic and mad thus exploiting whatever they could and using other species, like the emerging human, in whichever way they deed appropriate for their agendas, having no mercy or empathy towards life
no different of what we humans are and doing today.

However, power and control can help a soul that much in to bandaging the deep wound of separation and in the end it doesn't work at all
and when a soul group is ready to leap forwards the next stage of its evolution
the appropriate physical events occur, thus the fall of Atlantis left all those overlords
bewildered on the one hand and regretful on the other

Here's when they decided that "power no more" and began to incarnate back to earth
in an effort to restore what they have done to this poor animal called human
from the inside of it

Where are they today ?
here in Avalon, where else...

as old souls making their own way through karma towards maturity
while helping their heavily manipulated humans towards adulthood

[DNA]

What bugs me the most is the fact that we tend to assume an entire race as static
as if they are rocks, same after thousands of years, performing their evil deeds throughout the ages again and again successfully giving us the perfect alibi to transfer the blame of our misery

But even rocks change
and annunaki are creatures too, inhabited by souls and souls evolve towards completion
and all soul groups have to go the furthest they can exploring separation
which means a long trip deep in to duality playing the role of perpetrator and tyrant for quite some time

Annunaki are no less of a species that went through the same path, along with their fellow Sirians
and found themselves deeply involved with earth's own evolution and the life upon her
and a species in their early soul development tend to be egoic and mad thus exploiting whatever they could and using other species, like the emerging human, in whichever way they deed appropriate for their agendas, having no mercy or empathy towards life
no different of what we humans are and doing today.

However, power and control can help a soul that much in to bandaging the deep wound of separation and in the end it doesn't work at all
and when a soul group is ready to leap forwards the next stage of its evolution
the appropriate physical events occur, thus the fall of Atlantis left all those overlords
bewildered on the one hand and regretful on the other

Here's when they decided that "power no more" and began to incarnate back to earth
in an effort to restore what they have done to this poor animal called human
from the inside of it

Where are they today ?
here in Avalon, where else...

as old souls making their own way through karma towards maturity
while helping their heavily manipulated humans towards adulthood

You have a point.
The Billy Meier contacted Plieadians state THEY ARE THE ANNUNAKI OF OLD and that they have now grown and wish to help us out. I'm not saying I 100 PERCENT believe this, but I am open to considering it.
And it jives with what you are stating.

[Ernie Nemeth]

If you are a despot, your father was a despot, your entire clan was despotic, and you are known for bringing chaos and disorder to anywhere you go, then you are a despot forever. It is your modus operandi and it is unlikely to change. Any individual in the clan might see the light but the clan itself is set in its ethical stance, just like any other nation. This clan operates under secrecy and conquers by bloodless coups with no one the wiser.

To expect them to have changed and now want what's best for humanity is a very large stretch. Does America want what's best for the world? Does Saudi Arabia or Iran? These are where the Annunaki now call home - and Syria. One is in full decline, two caught in anachronistic historical la-la land, the last crushed under multi-national attack. The 'hotspots' of war and terror is where you will find the Annunaki, just like throughout its history.

So no, I don't believe the propaganda that the Annunaki have changed, they cannot. But I do believe that there may be a small faction that tries to mitigate the effects of their war-mongering brothers. The Enki faction has opposed the main thrust of their Annunaki kin since the beginning of written history, and probably even before that.

[Ernie Nemeth]

It seems this thread is not done after all. Yet from here on the data cannot be said to be verified or 'substantiated', that is, vetted or proven.

Wes Penre has a pile of information on this subject. It is so packed with data that it cannot be carefully perused for accuracy for fear of loosing the main thrust of the lengthy entries. Lyrans are cited as the one side of the dynamic. Some have likened at least this small portion of the work as similar to Ashayana Deane's (spelling?). The Ashtar Command is mentioned...

His work can be found here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105402-WARNING--AI-Is-Not-What-People-Think-It-Is-&p=1264873&viewfull=1#post1264873

[Eagle Eye]

If you are interested and since it has an important role in history I will speak from a point of view of holy texts , from Quran exactly that are also in other scriptures as well. I don't want to prove anything nor make preaching just one point of view from what I know.

I try always to divide nowadays religion from holy texts because there is a huge difference in this. If you see the symbols that identify each religion, you will also understand what kind of groups are divided. You see those represent the sun symbol (the cross), also the moon symbol is for the "mainstream" muslim religion and jewish symbol also that is more complicated to understand. These symbols are ancient enough and inherited from different ancient sources or cultures. The holy texts (the very ancient ones, not those new versions) speak not about those symbols, but those religion deformed from the base are more likely to adapt the rituals in a way that their symbols represents. I have spoken in other posts what the "messengers" really transmitted and warned and don't want to repeat again.
What is said about the sun and moon is here : (41:37) And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to God , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.

If I have to make the connection about Anunnaki, it seems that those who want control the earth (that are evil representation) doesn't have direct authority to intervene, only to deceive us humans to accomplish their masterplan and corrupt our system in an irreparable way.

(2:30) And when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" God said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."

(7:27) O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from the Garden, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe.

[Webz Libri]

Last year I had a long conversation with author Marshall Klarfeld at the Conscious Life Expo, a close friend of Sitchin's (he described himself as Sitchin's "disciple") and I asked him if he thought there was intentional disinformation in the Sumerian tablets, and he said, "Ah! You have stumbled upon the secret!" But he didn't elaborate a whole lot, besides saying it was possible.

Klarfeld told me all kinds of interesting stuff, like that (in his view) Ningishzidda was Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan and Djehuti/Thoth, that Ningishzidda had a feud with Marduk over Marduk's accidental murder of Tammuz and also Ningishzidda's voting for Nannar to succeed Anu instead of his brother Marduk, and that resulted in Ningishzidda being banished from Egypt whereupon he relocated to the Guatemala area (or maybe it was more south, like in Northern South America, I can't remember precisely) accompanied by a bunch of early versions of Homo Sapiens (to be laborers) who later became known as the Olmecs (which is why statues of the Olmecs look African.) Of course, his views are based on Sitchin's translations, so who knows how accurate his conclusions are.

Klarfeld is unoriginal and is among many supposed authors who just plagiarized Sitchin's work and only change a couple of things to try and make it their own.
By the way, he listed his own books on ebay (auction)... I won the auction because no one else bid them. He reneged on it and requested I pay more. I had to report him to ebay! What a piece of work!

[BrandtS]

Who destroyed Nibiru in 2003?

[Johnnycomelately]

Hi Brandt (hope it’s OK to call you that). Welcome to the forum!

What post are you replying to? I am new to this thread, and couldn’t find it on this page (10 latest posts).

A good way to reference a post is to use “Reply With Quote”. This will paste that whole post into your reply field (which you can pare down by deleting, but be careful with the square-bracketed QUOTE and /QUOTE), with attribution and a “here” button near the start (brings a viewer to that post).

Feel free to PM me about nuts and bolts of the website, or better, find the “advanced search” button in the header of every page. The thread with “sandbox” in the title is for learning by practice, and many more-capable folk (than me) will help you there. There are also threads solely about learning different website capabilities.

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Hey if Nibiru did get destroyed in 2003, that might explain a lot of things! ~8O


Who destroyed Nibiru in 2003?

[BrandtS]

Contactee OnyxKnight says Nibiru was destroyed in 2003 and lies in rubble in the asteroid belt of our solar system. He says they escaped in giant spaceships before its destruction and then traveled to the Gamma Serpentis system to build a new planetoid/mothership and rebuild their population.

But I suppose that's too insubstantial to take seriously. Much safer to rely on possibly poor translations of possibly inaccurate accounts gleaned from tablets possibly containing intentional disinformation. ;)

Here is the post I was responding to.....

Thanks for the welcome and the guidance, Johnny.

[TomKat]

Linda Moulton Howe interviews a 22-year old woman who thinks she's an Annunaki-human hybrid:

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[Ernie Nemeth]

I was discussing the Anunnaki with a coworker.

He speaks little English so I have resorted to drawing my discussions with a magic marker on the 2 x 4 studs of the residential complex we are wiring. That way he can see the words I am saying. Over the months they have accumulated and now there are several such illustrations scattered throughout the building.

There is one on the logic gate as it applies to electrical and lighting controls, another on the electrical connection between the earth and sun including Earth's wandering poles and the Van Allen belts, section two on another stud delves into plasma and Mike Myer's 'water car' and Brown's gas, on another stud I discuss geo-synchronous orbit and the Lagrange points and the location of those giant plasma clouds they just discovered, in yet another room I drew out the conventional configuration of any switch and its connections and explain shelf state as it applies to electronic devices we electricians use and a look at wiring configurations for various switching scenarios. The list goes on...

But back to topic, the latest one starts in bold letters with, "Anu is coming."
It goes on to list some pertinent facts and names related to Nibiru and the Anunnaki..

I am constantly surprised how little people know, if they know anything at all, on any given topic...but at least we came up with a creative means to bridge the language barrier between us.

[OnyxKnight]

Who destroyed Nibiru in 2003?

Arriving a bit late to this, sorry.

Our Solar System is divided into several management zones. Beyond the orbit of Neptune, there was a temporary contingent made up of different alien species who amassed around the area of the Kuiper Belt. They were "outsourced" because the prior "shepherds" retired their presence and duties here because of an emerging local problem back at their home space. The outsourced contingent represented several military powers who were new to our little local Milky Way. They (the hired muscle) were (not sure if they still are), part of a large intergalactic network of civilizations that collaborate with each other on some kind of loose, confederate level.

They didn't know the history here very well, nor who the Anunnaki were (the lack of information might have been an engineered scenario), but to provide a sense of "we are good guys" image to the "shepherds" here, they didn't blink twice before they engaged in full scale annihilation of the worldship when it got close to the Kuiper Belt. They thought they were doing the local management of the inner and outer planets a favor, including the "protectorate" called Earth. They were fed the info that the incoming planet-sized vessel is one of many of an armada of hostile forces who intend to rid the management here.

The aftermath led several clan houses of the Anunnaki to flee and join the "Departed", an off-shoot associated with Nabu. Others went elsewhere. But to the local exopolitics, it looked like, and was presented as such - that the "outsourced" new kids on the block are hostile, trigger-happy morons and that they are not welcome to participate in any way in the local affairs, especially neutral zones and managed areas, and any travel activity heavily monitored.

This coincides with the reported anomalous activity in the registered and tracked objects beyond Neptune's orbit, called by some as KBA (Kuiper Belt Anomalies, or Kuiper Belt Aliens), which peaked in the late 90s, and early 2000s. Activity over there is still happening, but it has toned down tremendously since 2003. I doubt even the same party is at the wheel over there keeping eye.

[Agape]

Re Anunnaki , right now I'm using empty slot of mind somewhere between Zacharia Sitchin and Zahi Hawas and trying to fit in what I've really learned.

Observe the vocal similarity between An , Anu, Sun, Son, San, Un , Unam , One, etc. stretching like endless information line from times immemorial pointing to the Sun and Solar body ,

while Ra , Re, Ray , Raja, Ram , refer to the ruling principle of Light, the Father entity .

Possibly Ankh , Anch, the symbol of "sceptre of life" also depicts "progeny" , the first born son of Anu the Sun.
this Sun , that is "first human".

Anun-aki = the children ( progeny , ankh - aki ) of either Anu or Inana, or both.


Furthering my thoughts, where Anu represents the male principle , Inu represents the female principle.

There is prolonged , ancient argument between whole epochs of history questioning identity of "first human progenitor" , was it Anu, Inu or both

as they definitely produce offspring , In-Anun, Ni-nun, Nino, symbolising also the Noon in its brightness .



Sorry to diss a point .

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[Agape]

Actually I think the "prime" ( primordial , pra-chin ( existed before China , Sanskrit-Hindi for ancient ) chronology is about as follows.

Notice that despite our repeated attempts to define revolutions of human civilisation as repeated and cyclical lessons,
they also and mostly represent a Prime number since they had definitive beginning casting unique spiralling pattern on this globe , in short , the way is one.

Truly, the One , the Sun may be the true source of our imprisonment and liberation here , on this Planet.

Back to the Source, many tribes of old referred themselves to Inu, the grandmother of all Life in the Universe whence all Life once came from ,
in form of giant Whale, followed by Turtle and so forth...


describing 12 steps of dependant origination of intelligence in at least 12 or more distant Galaxies with whom we had supposedly aligned with in different civilisation eras .


The seeding of life on Earth is described as accident or sheer coincidence in most primordial mythology ,

rough descent .

The "likeness of Entities" , twins Anu and Inu , traversing whole spare of space inside a "time capsule" crash to earth somewhere in the middle of ocean ,
while Anu finds his life in jungles of Africa,

Inu stays in Japan, takes command of monkey army and with their help builds a satellite we now call the Moon.

The monkey general of her army is recorded in Indian Puranas as Anu-Man, Hanuman , the first humanised primate.


When Anu sees the satellite Moon he recalls what "the time is" and goes to find Inu,
who is now old and retreated on the Moon satellite.

The story ( of great love) has reportedly , no beginning and no ends to it ...

As after the first couple there came many of them who started this civilisation ...


As part of the Life story, the consciousness of Universal Mother and Universal Son are always present ( else, we could not be "saved").



When both align together we can speak to the Source of Creation in faraway Universe.


His name , according to science fiction author and great space enthusiast Arthur C Clark who spent much of his life in Sri Lanka could be well counted ,
the way we count our breath , by supercomputer upon which ...the Universe would ...huuum ...end up abruptly and restore to primordial darkness .


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