What is it that is required of you?

[Ultima Thule]

Just got back from seeing Life of Pi, the movie.

The revelation I got in the movie was the following:

Pi - the lead character - in great despair, facing certainty of death asks god:"What more do you wan´t, you have taken everything from me?!" - God doesn´t really answer but a surge of revelation ran through me.

I have experienced what many have, a divisive experience in life, where death is possible if not imminent. I have wandered why is that sort of experience necessary to "wake up" a person? At that moment, looking at that movie, the revelation ran through me - god(which ever way you see it, person, unity, source, all ramifications work for me) want´s your life, your everything. That is exactly why you sometimes need to face the possible loss of your biological life - it is a case of "Give me your life or I will claim your life!" I hope you can understand where I am going with this, our life is not ours in spiritual sense, although we mistake it to be ours, because we govern it in biological sense. In essence we are tempted to claim something to ourselves that really is not ours, we are but caretakers of our earthly habitat and sometimes we need to be reminded of that. We must PRECISELY be given the choice between the end of our biological life(giving up our life) and giving our life to be the vessel of god(source, whatever applies).

Make any sense?

UT

[CdnSirian]

This Life of Pi reminds me of the story of Job. Similar, not identical.

What you write is interesting. If true, then Free Will is purely propaganda to keep us going. Being Awake and Aware is some sort of carrot on a stick to keep the thinkers going, supporting the delusion that they have a discerning analytical mind and recognize that emotions are largely mind control.

"Give me your life or I will claim your life!" "Resistance is futile"?

Have I understood you correctly? I'm not sure.

[Carmody]

The avatar in use has an autonomous function set. this creates the world view, in and out with a polarization, or curve, an addition/subtraction ('value change') in all incoming data...and then...rumination is shifted.... and then the use of said shifted information ....in the projection or use of the avatar. what goes out is also colored and shifted.

To overcome, to initially realize that the occupant and the avatar are being conflated with another by the occupant of said avatar..that seemingly 'all is taken from them' so they can wake up to and respond, to understand this, to know that it exists. To be in the knowing and using of this in ALL aspect of 'duality life'. Even breathing, looking, all of it. Every second and moment, henceforth. To never forget, to be this understanding, as long as one inhabits the avatar. To be this understanding in all, in everything, in every atom and blade of grass.

The beatings will continue until the knowing improves.

The monkey side, that we exist through, does not want to wake up, it is blocking knowing and growing. It wants to sleep in trees, eat bananas between naps..and fling poo at leopards.

After all, that's all it is (this human body thing) ...and it runs (controls, deciphers, decides, encodes, etc) and is..every facet of your perception and mind, as a dual direction door into this place, into your expression of 3d reality.

[johnf]

Real threats of death are a louder expression of what is going on all the time.
Self as exaggeration of our self will is the normal state of affairs for most human beings. Who I think I am, what I deserve in life ,what is important (even in the realm of world issues, and others needs, ideologies) all these things get in the way of the real flow of life.
Instead of God, I like to use the idea of what is. What is, now falls away by itself, and Something new arises.
This gets very subtle if the person has done some large letting go in the past. So there is less resistance after a point.
Threats of death, being undone physically bring up the reality of the need to be undone psychologically and spiritually.
A person who has let go of everything they think they are, has handed every one of their experiences over to life, can contribute much more to what is really left.
This theme has been expressed in a lot of stories about awakening.

Sometimes it is just called growing up, how rude!

[RunningDeer]

My experience with facing different types of loss required something different of me. Such as the death of my only child, and my own wish not to live, was in part because all my preconceived labels were stripped away, i.e., mother, mother-in-law, and grandmother.

Whereas the my experience of the loss of things such as divorce, or left home at an early age, or loss of my worldly possessions from an apartment fire, was freeing. It was a clearing out the old. Excited for the unknown and knowing it’s always better.

So now, each time I’m faced with change be it internal or external, I know an inner strength flushes out any illusionary fear. Then, the purer me kicks in.

With respect to the 3D, change is the constant. It’s a promise to experience what is meaningful and what is a waste of time and energy.

[johnf]

So now, each time I’m faced with change be it internal or external, I know an inner strength flushes out any illusionary fear. Then, the purer me kicks in.

With respect to the 3D, change is the constant. It’s a promise to experience what is meaningful and what is a waste of time and energy.

It seems reality conspires to make it's participants more efficient "parts".
In the face of all this my tendency to reinvent myself no matter what seems awfully persistent.

[RunningDeer]

So now, each time I’m faced with change be it internal or external, I know an inner strength flushes out any illusionary fear. Then, the purer me kicks in.

With respect to the 3D, change is the constant. It’s a promise to experience what is meaningful and what is a waste of time and energy.

It seems reality conspires to make it's participants more efficient "parts".
In the face of all this my tendency to reinvent myself no matter what seems awfully persistent.

I wouldn’t use the word conspires. For me, life is an experiential opportunity. It’s a way for me to go/grow beyond what I once thought nearly impossible.

My guess is that we are saying the same thing. Sometimes, I get lost in the words and definitions. :wave:

[ViralSpiral]

It wants to sleep in trees, eat bananas between naps..and fling poo at leopards.

At times, like now, this seems an attractive option.
The information presented in Viveks' (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague) thread, is a "reality check".
A lot escapes me, the premise doesn't.

G*d loves monkeys too.

[Marikins]

Paula,
If you are another myself, I am rather impressed with myself. ;)

[Ultima Thule]

This Life of Pi reminds me of the story of Job. Similar, not identical.

What you write is interesting. If true, then Free Will is purely propaganda to keep us going. Being Awake and Aware is some sort of carrot on a stick to keep the thinkers going, supporting the delusion that they have a discerning analytical mind and recognize that emotions are largely mind control.

"Give me your life or I will claim your life!" "Resistance is futile"?

Have I understood you correctly? I'm not sure.

Yes you have, "resistance is futile" is right in the middle of my target.

I definitely can see a point of "where does our free will then fit in?", but on the other hand I´m seeing this scenario where one is on a "mission from god"(to carry on with the movie quotes ;) ) and while exercising free will, also has a promise to keep - for example not sitting on a box of gifts, let´s say healing abilities, but instead freewills
where and how one applies those gifts, but the promise is to apply them?!

Actually the thing that kicks in immediately when considering the possibility of not owning myself in metaphysical sense is "What! I was promised free will, I can do what I bloody well wan´t with this body and life! I might wan´t to convert to alcoholism if I should please!" That is what could be thought of as the ego/bodily awareness(my interpretation) trying to claim the body and the life for itself, while it should just tend to the body in the role of caretaker and remember that it is LIFE/SOURCE/GOD that is flowing through the body and is responsible for the body to exist in the first place and has a free will to exercise through it.

We thus have two sets of free will - the one that wishes to eat bananas and fling crap and the other one to experience life to fullest, not unlike a school with a set of classes with increasing demands.

A thing that I find to be evidence on behalf of "resistance is futile"-view is the fact(I see it as a fact) that not all people in the world would simultaneously be able to check out the Secret movie and manifest a win in the lottery and lead a life of luxury, even though universe in abundant. Why is that? Not everyone is meant to win in a lottery, which means there is a plan and not everything is available to be free willed.. In fact, even better: by incarnating here, I suppose I have exercised my free will to agree to have a set of circumstances and experiences and a plan. The only thing that might mess it up is my lower existence trying to will it to be banana eating and crap slinging :) existence 24/7

Work in progress...

UT

[Ultima Thule]

The monkey side, that we exist through, does not want to wake up, it is blocking knowing and growing. It wants to sleep in trees, eat bananas between naps..and fling poo at leopards.

This sums up exactly what I was thinking about the lure of ordinary life of working, eating, drinking and bowling. Being aware and woken up makes basically all the difference - if so, you could while working, eating, drinking and bowling cultivate yourself and let it spill on other people too.

UT

ps. your post in entirety was brilliant, I think I actually got it!

[Ultima Thule]

I´ll get the car-analogy out too: if our life and biological body is not really "ours" in an individual sense, but we are rather the caretakers of it for god(source/unity/etc.), then it is worthwhile to think how we treat our own car versus a car we have borrowed from a friend?

Own car:
- doesn´t need washing too often
- nah, the service can wait
- I´ll just buy the cheapest set of tires

Borrowed car:
- I´ll wash it and take good care of it, because I have to return it in a good shape
- services must be done regularly, because I have to return it in a good shape
- I´ll buy a new set of quality tires, I have to return it in a good shape - with same quality parts that it came with

What is it, that we return - our soul I guess.

UT

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Paula,
If you are another myself, I am rather impressed with myself. ;)

And I for you saying that!

UT

[RunningDeer]

Paula,
If you are another myself, I am rather impressed with myself. ;)

And I for you saying that!

UT

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Me, too. Dimensional. I didn't want to derail your thread, so I passed along a message.

[Ultima Thule]

As a followthrough I would like to propose the following summarization, combining all I've ever read, thought and experienced - regarding this train of thought.

- originally human beings were w/o soul
- soul was later added as an inhabitant of the human entity, making it not unlike a symbiotic relationship
- there is thus two of us - the consciousness of the human body with emotions and intellect of its own and the soul as the other one
- we can identify with either one of them, the first being more propable
- "god" does not wan"t anything in particular of us, only the experiences we live through
- we have free will and at a soul level we have willed for a hierarchy of development and thus a certain type of process as to how we bring back our experiences to source/god
- we have free willed lessons and experiences to be had while incarnated and we basically choose to be waken up at some point to start identifying with our soul - the real me
- this waking up is basically a "resistance is futile"-type of scenario, where your life might be in jeopardy and as I earlier in this thread iterate your life, lived to the fullest is what is required.
- identifying with eternal soul allows us to optimally act out of love, instead out of fear, which stems from our biological platform
- during our years, let´s say from 40s to 50s seems to in general be the period where one either chooses the identification with his biology or his spirit
- hitch with identifying with your biology is that it is "lower" in hierarchy than your spirit, thus trying to keep it fit, will only go so far in regards to what it can do to uplift the spirit
- good thing with identifying with spirit/soul is that it is higher in hierarchy than your biological platform, thus development established there will have a siginificant impact on your biology, hitch being though that you can still drink the platform to death, nevermind how enlightened you are
- one main point in life imo, considering the before mentioned "facts" is similar to sports: avoiding mistakes at all costs is not same as going for success. Avoiding losing is not the same as winning. Acting solely out of fear and thus avoiding mistakes is not the same as acting out of love.
- a meaningful interchange should take place - something from the soul level should be left behind, let's say as a book or something similar into the earthy level and from earthy, biological level should some meaningful experience be brought back to soul level. Yin-Yang at very many levels


Will get back to it if I get more revelations.