The Side of Gun Violence No One Talks About: Troubled Homes and Under-Reported Crimes

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Sometimes the Truth Simply Doesn't Connect with Our Beliefs

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Most all of us are familiar with the concept of gun control. I myself have thrown in with the other faction: the gun owners, but paradoxically, I choose for personal reasons not to own a gun, and right now I don't think I can have one anyway because I am on probation. But either way, I support the right of the average American to keep and bear arms. Before you make your ultimate decision, please read this story.

Sadly for some families, the eventuality of guns being placed in unworthy hands leads to unnecessary violence in the home. Even more damaging to the body and mind is the constant threat of violence that the ownership of said weapon underscores. I am familiar with this.

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My father was a gun owner. The rumor in the family is that he killed two men -- one drowned in a lake, and I didn't get the details on the other. All I know is that they didn't die because of guns. But they were killed by a gun owner -- where does that leave the rest of us?

I can remember spending my twelfth Christmas in a place called Safe Harbor. It's a women's and family shelter. My father had threatened my mother, my sisters, me, and my grandparents with gun violence. He said that he was going to shoot us all. He blamed us kids for ruining his life, starting with me, and he told my mother that he was going to kill us all, then kill her parents. We fled to my uncle's house and called this shelter, and shortly thereafter, we were gone from his life -- for three days only.

http://safeharborsc.org/

I remember an evening my father got drunk and started in with the threats again. My mom piled us into the car, and out the rear window I saw my father holding a .22 rifle and watching us drive away. I wonder how close we came.

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This man, this gun owner, was a pet killer too. He threw a kitten against our apartment wall when I was a tiny infant. He killed between 30 and 50 dogs over the course of my childhood. I couldn't begin to count the number of cats, either. He killed most all of them. My friends, my companions, my familiar spirits, dead because of his guns. Where does that leave the rest of us?

This man eventually died of a drug overdose (at least that is what I was led to believe), but before that happened, he had tried to commit suicide by means of (you guessed it) one of his guns. He took a .22 up the hill behind his house, but he took the wrong kind of bullet with him because he was drunk, and the weapon didn't fire. He almost killed himself with a rifle.
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My husband's friend was recently shot in the face and in the side by a gun owner. The friend was working at a coffee shop and this man just came in and shot him up, along with a bunch of other people in Seattle. No one else had a gun and no one was able to stop the rampage. The friend had to call 911 with his face blown apart. It was all a horrible mess. So where does that leave the rest of us, again I wonder?

I still don't realllllly know deep deep down how I feel about guns. And that is why I don't own one. But do you think the real reason is, whatever is wrong with that person could be wrong with me too, and I am just afraid to own one?

I don't think anyone should be forced into having or not having a gun. It's like worshiping the god damned nuclear bomb for chrissakes.

/EndRant

[kaon]

Thanks for sharing some personal insights with us. I can also relate to some of them. If you don't mind me saying, it sounds like your father was disturbed and had a major alcohol problem. I apologize if I am sounding too direct. Those problems probably predated his gun ownership. I think that it is most fortunate that you or other family members didn't fall victim (physically) due to his gun ownership.

There are lot of people who shouldn't own guns that do. However, I can't blame the guns for being owned.

[Arrowwind]

I listended to a radio program by Gary Null this morning. I made a thread on it that will probably die due to the rough start. It was susscint and revealing on many levels as to what is exactly happening in our nation.

Moving women to the front lines in combat is just another staw on the camels back.

Child abuse, wife abuse,husband abuse, amimal abuse and all kinds of abuse is only a reflection of the impact of violence that has permeated our culture in so many ways. Violence resides in the reptilian mind and it is promoted by our culture.. our media culture, our military culture, our pharmaceutical culture, our school culure, our gang culture and now it has signficantly seeped into our religous culture with alarming impact.



This significant increases in violence I believe are due to an agenda to feed the reptialian brain, instead of nourishing our higher center, being, selves, whatever you choose to call it.

We have moved so into political correctness that we are not even allowed to really indepth discuss the issues at hand. I go first hand reprimand on this when I protested our movement into Iraq from those around me. I was not a patriot. Turns out Im probably a better patriot than any of them because I insist on adhering to truth, justice and the constitution. We have not had truth in our nation in a long time and the implications of this are ever mounting as more and more people are moved towards and support violence due to the brainwashing we receive.

the greatest violence is the dissolution of the family and these days, even if a family is living in one house it has been broken up by our imposed needs to have bothe parents working and our children educated in a socialst education system that is disregarding our constitution and has eliminated any ethicall authority aside from what the illusion of poticial correctness brings forth

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

He did have a drug and alcohol problem, for sure, but I think the violent tendencies started somewhere earlier --
and I am not sure if it was him being creative or being shown by others.

Drugs and guns should never mix.

As for guns being innocent, well for example, some people think the LHC at CERN is dangerous. The particle accelerator.
A gun is just a bullet accelerator, useful for nothing other than smashing something apart, just like the LHC.

We take our shot and look at the mess like little kids. I don't like guns very much at all any more.

I guess it's getting to me.
We'll never be free of them will we?

edit: the stuff #2 poster above said about the reptilian brain is absolutely true.
games like WoW, call of duty, etc.

All those shooter kids played shooter games!

Loughner, Brievik, Holmes, Donovan, etc. played violent games before they killed real people. it wasn't the drugs fault

[Arrowwind]

Becasue that man murdered some 30 or 40 dogs and no one stopped him... that is where the source of violence resides. It is in the hands of those who knew and did nothing from the beginning.

[Flash]

Arrowind, how do you stop a guy with a gun who is most probably a nut head over and above? He may shoot you.

You know what a Turk told me once: each culture has it own mean of violence and killing. We, the Turks, are used to poison, in North America, they shoot.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Notice: purging an unwanted memory. Graphic and unnecessary reading ahead!

This thread reminded me of an incident when I was just a child. I don't remember all the details but I do remember the gory part now. A neighbors cat had kittens. This guy placed the kitties one at a time in a cloth bag and...

I don't want to say.

I remember screaming at the man to stop but he just smiled at me and slammed ...

There was a pile of kitties...

I can't say. I told my mom and she came rushing over and made the man stop by threatening to call the police.


Damn, what a world this is.

Guns don't solve anything but they sure can put a stop to things in a hurry.

[Flash]

Yes, my lovely loving and so cherished dog was killed by a man like this when I was young. Shot at twice. The first time he got his leg and we took care of him, the second time, well, he never came back. We knew he had been shot.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

It surely is a dark world at times :(

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Arrowind, how do you stop a guy with a gun who is most probably a nut head over and above? He may shoot you.

You know what a Turk told me once: each culture has it own mean of violence and killing. We, the Turks, are used to poison, in North America, they shoot.

to stop him, we would have had to become what he is. a killer!

we prayed, we talked, we told the authorities, but to stop him, well, we had no way to do that.
he was not 100% to blame.

for example once he asked for the money to detox and the family turned him down.
sad world, no sense in it sometimes.

[Reaver]

To understand the issue of gun control and its implications you also have to understand human psychology. The gun camps seem to be black and white. One side thinks gun ownership should be fully endorsed while the other thinks the civilian population has no business owning a gun. Usually both of these camps know nothing about human psychology so at best they can only make a few statements that are true, but which only address superficial symptoms.

Brutality is not necessarily related to gun ownership. Historically humanity has been full of dark periods where people were abused, tortured and killed when guns didn't even exist, this is a fact. Logic dictates there must be deeper layers to be understood when it comes to human violence and we can find those in the realm of psychology.

An individual who grows within an insane environment has a very high probability of going insane, the question is to what degree. There are various degrees of insanity which go from a normalized person who exhibits no violent behaviour (at leas on physical terms) to the extreme case of a serial killer. What is one of the most toxic environments on this planet? the family unit.

The family unit is a sacred cow for many people, but the truth is that it has gone terribly wrong through the ages. I'm not saying the family is inherently evil, but historically it has provided an ideal environment for psychological toxicity and it still does to this day. Add to this the reality of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator)and you can find out that society has (to a degree) forced people with highly incompatible personalities to interact with each other for too long. An introverted person who has to spend most of their time within environments with highly extroverted people can only develop a feeling of alienation and will feel forced to fit in.

This person will never truly fit in because at a core level he/she is not compatible with the extroverted people. Sure interactions are still possible, but keep this for too long and tensions will start to build within this person. Some people find themselves in these situations and some are unable to cope with it, let alone deal with it. So what happens? the people surrounding this person are clueless about psychology so they will never see the severity of the problem, after all these insane environments are deemed to be normal.

So the person who is an outsider (because of his/her personality type) will start to develop a toxic cloud within their psyche. Since this person has no clue as to how to deal with it then this can go into different directions depending on the severity of the case:

It could be that this person falls into depression, maybe becomes extremely anti-social, maybe they develop cancer... or they may even start to pour this toxicity into the outer world in acts of violence, these acts of violence can be minimal or extremely sadistic.

The problem is that we live in a highly ignorant and stupid society who uses their education system to mask the fact that they are dumb and who will boast about their psychiatrists and pseudo-psychologists to mask the little understanding they have about the human psyche.

You see all these gun debates only address symptoms while they ignore the root cause: A highly toxic society that has been and it's still creating breeding grounds for all kinds of insanity. The problem is that there are sacred cows which are there to prevent the critical mind from piercing through the veil of BS: From institutions to morality.

The real debate is the human debate, the society debate, the family debate. Gun control is just something which could manifest in healthy or toxic polarities depending on the degree on insanity or sanity of the population.

Gun control could give way to insane regulations where no one has a right to use a gun as a means of defense or it could become too permissive and allow extremely toxic people to arm themselves to the teeth. By either regulating or allowing the traffic of guns you virtually solve nothing, those regulations have to be accompanied by psychology and sociology. Otherwise it is all a bad joke where nothing gets solved and the best "solutions" are only masks to pretend we are actually solving problems when in reality we are digging our own graves at an alarming rate.

[ThePythonicCow]

I listended to a radio program by Gary Null this morning. I made a thread on it that will probably die due to the rough start. It was susscint and revealing on many levels as to what is exactly happening in our nation.
I suspect you're referring to this thread: 7000 U.S. Children Dead On Obama's Watch (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55564-7000-U.S.-Children-Dead-On-Obama-s-Watch). I just made an effort to resuscitate it, by splitting off the distracting part (which left only your one opening post.)

[lunaflare]

Thanks for posting Tesla. Wretched to read and see a picture about senseless brutality against animals.
Yes, gun ownership and cycles of violence are complex issues. It is the consciousness (in the human) and not the gun, however, which is responsible for the violence.

Also, in response to Arrowind's thoughtful post,

Violence resides in the reptilian mind and it is promoted by our culture.. our media culture, our military culture, our pharmaceutical culture, our school culure, our gang culture and now it has signficantly seeped into our religous culture with alarming impact.

I would venture to say that violence has never seeped into religion. Violence has always existed at the heart of religion. Crusades; Holy wars fought in God's name. The vengeful, wrathful Jehovah/Yahweh/Father up in the sky God.
Our flesh eating ways and blood sacrifice.
Violence and the predatory-nature archetype is a dense vibration. Perhaps this defines 3D reality.
I choose to believe that we are waking up to another way of being/vibrating/ and hence our experience and creation of Reality.
Depending upon where I focus, I believe this to be so.
Some days I am not so sure.

[Mulder]

I often find that the act of writing them down and telling others about bad memories/experiences lifts a big weight off us and makes us feel better. I think this is the kind of therapy Karl Jung encourages us to do to take away the SECRECY and POWER of the trauma. You're right about alot of violence is unreported and "covered-up" by families and neighbours, but people would still be violent with out guns - they'd use knives or poison, etc. Animals are beautiful and people should find humane ways to give-them-up e.g. take unwanted pets to the shelter instead of hurting them. When will people learn?

[Arrowwind]

Thanks for posting Tesla. Wretched to read and see a picture about senseless brutality against animals.
Yes, gun ownership and cycles of violence are complex issues. It is the consciousness (in the human) and not the gun, however, which is responsible for the violence.

Also, in response to Arrowind's thoughtful post,

Violence resides in the reptilian mind and it is promoted by our culture.. our media culture, our military culture, our pharmaceutical culture, our school culure, our gang culture and now it has signficantly seeped into our religous culture with alarming impact.

I would venture to say that violence has never seeped into religion. Violence has always existed at the heart of religion. Crusades; Holy wars fought in God's name. The vengeful, wrathful Jehovah/Yahweh/Father up in the sky God.
Our flesh eating ways and blood sacrifice.
Violence and the predatory-nature archetype is a dense vibration. Perhaps this defines 3D reality.
I choose to believe that we are waking up to another way of being/vibrating/ and hence our experience and creation of Reality.
Depending upon where I focus, I believe this to be so.
Some days I am not so sure.

I agree regarding your statements on religion, but things are amping up. way up as we become more and more desentized to violence though the efforts of our government and others as well.

[blufire]

I own several guns . . . handguns, rifles, shotguns . . . I know how to use everyone of them without even having to think about it.

As I type this post I can look up above my door to the outside and see a pump action shotgun and over in the corner there is a .22 rifle with a scope.

The 22 rifle is for coyotes and fox that come too close to the house, I shoot over them several times until they don’t get the message and then if they continue to threaten my chickens or cats . . . .I shoot them. I only shoot if I have no other choice and if I have a clear shot either to the head or just behind their front leg (heart).

The pump action shotgun (12 gauge) is for the two-legged hairless varmints that come sneaking around. I had a police officer friend tell me that the only thing scarier than the sound of a shotgun being pumped is the sight of a woman pumping a shotgun.

I have only used a shotgun once on a human and it was a guy that would not stop stalking me. I had reported him to the police and told him to stop and all that useless nonsense. The last time he came down into my driveway (2:30 am) I ran around the front of the house to cut him off . . . . stood right in front of his car . . . aimed the shotgun right at him, made sure he got the message, and then pulled up and shot over his car . . . .never heard from him again. Period . . . done.

I grew up with guns and was taught to respect guns at all times. My weapons protect me, my family, and my livestock. They also will protect the people who will come under my care and responsibility when the shtf. More than likely some will be those who hate guns and think the people who own them are evil . . . . and that’s okay with me . . . I respect and honor their position and would never expect them to adopt my view or expect them to learn to use a weapon. But, I have no doubt that when poop is flung everywhere that they will appreciate and even expect someone to take care of them by what ever means. Everyone has their strengths.

My dad was a patriarch in the county we lived in as I was growing up. In the county next door the sheriff’s name was Buford Pussor . . .as in Walking Tall fame. He was one of my dad’s best friends and was in our house often. At the same time Buford had death warrants out on his life, my Dad had them on him as well. At the same time Buford’s and his wife were being stalked and shot at my Dad was shot twice . . . once with me in the room with him. I pulled my Dad over in the corner, covered his back with towels and waited for them to come back and finish us off. I kept a .45 aimed at the door until the ambulance came. There was no doubt in my mind if they had come through the door that I would have shot them . . . I was fifteen.

So those of you who are against guns and think the people who use them are evil and that ‘violence should not be met with violence”, what should I have done both with the stalker and with my Dad being shot? My Dad taught us to take care of ourselves and this is what I do.

If I had a neighbor who was killing cats and dogs for no reason such as in the OP, you can bet at the point I found out this insanity would have stopped. And no I would not have shot him . . . .but there are more than one way to “skin a cat” so to speak and therefore more than one way to stop a disturbed human.

There is no doubt in my mind that as a woman living alone, secluded out in the country that it is for the pure fact that the community is well aware that I armed and capable that I have absolutely no problems with break-ins or vandalism or any other stupid s**t.

So there . . . . you have heard from an Avalon member who is in full support of weapons and would absolutely use them if and when it comes to that point . . . after else all other logical choices fail. Don’t judge by idiots with guns . . . judge by those of us who are trained and capable and understand the guns are a tool to be used and level the playing field for all involved.

[Flash]

Bluefire, I have been raised in the country, my mom was often alone with us, my dad working far and coming on week ends, and she was armed and did have to show it at least once. There is very good reasons to have guns. The problems is not the gun but the nut cases and the families being under a nut case dad using his guns on them.

We could not protect my dog though even if my mom could shoot..

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I think my dad did object to the manner in which the local pet control people disposed of unwanted animals.

But he should never have done it to our pets. They should have been "given away" or something -- he didn't have to tell us the details.

:(
I feel a bit like guns are a cheap way out of confrontation.

Just like the nuke.

I don't know when it will end. But gov't enforcing disarmament shouldn't happen either.

[Flash]

This is entirely true `Tesla, guns and wars are cheap way out of confrontation or of negotiation.

Learning to manage ones emotions and learning to communicate is the real way, but it demands more energy at first glance and also good will.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

This is entirely true `Tesla, guns and wars are cheap way out of confrontation or of negotiation.

Learning to manage ones emotions and learning to communicate is the real way, but it demands more energy at first glance and also good will.hence the roadblocks on the way to the "new age" so many people are wanting.

[Eram]

I still don't realllllly know deep deep down how I feel about guns. And that is why I don't own one. But do you think the real reason is, whatever is wrong with that person could be wrong with me too, and I am just afraid to own one?


Would someone who is likely to travel that road ask herself these kind of questions on a public forum?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I still don't realllllly know deep deep down how I feel about guns. And that is why I don't own one. But do you think the real reason is, whatever is wrong with that person could be wrong with me too, and I am just afraid to own one?


Would someone who is likely to travel that road ask herself these kind of questions on a public forum?I would never burden the public with a question like this without a reason.

My therapist told me once, "feelings are real", and that includes feelings of violence.
I've experienced those. Maybe more often than is typical of the average person.

It really makes me think twice, about why I joined the military,
about why I liked to go hunting, about cruelty to animals on the farm, etc.

this whole gun control debate is very emotional, and I am sure that people are back and forth on the issue.

I guess the thing to keep in mind is that the Civil War claimed a lot more lives than annual gun violence in america probably does,
and we WOULD have a civil war if the people were disarmed, so... it's hard to say what could or should be done about it all.

:(

anyone else here ever feel "postal"? I've nearly been there.
In fact I've definitely been there.

Call it PPD or whatever you want, it's there and it's bad.

I don't know how I feel about guns. :P lol

[Snookie]

I can understand why "crimes of passion" are treated differently than premeditated killing. I remember a few nights lying beside my "lying" ex how glad I was that there wasn't a baseball bat or knife close by. I got a good glimpse of how crimes of passion occur.

[ghostrider]

Here is a thought , close all gun manufacturing plants ...simply dont make any more... then when the violence continues , they must redirect the narrative ...i ran away at 15 to escape violence... i was beaten quite well without guns involved... Taxes are the real problem , it takes both parents working to pay all the taxes, long ago ONE parent could make enough to raise a family, but now it takes two, both gone to work , and the children are left alone, something missing at home, parents stressed trying to make ends meet, tempers fly easily, someone has to bare the brunt of that anger ...soon the marriage is over, broken home , broken spirits ... our government has been in the family destruction business for a long time... part of the agenda , destroy self reliance , crash the dollar, and get the wolves to turn on each other...

[Ernie Nemeth]

People of advanced moral fibre are not the problem, imo, unlike the opinion of the government on the issue. They are scared of exactly that - people with moral and ethical fortitude because those sorts just might not take the sh*t they feed the masses...

[Arrowwind]

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[Hermite]

I salute your courage and honesty here, Tesla. And, Arrowwind, I think you are right about what's wrong with a whole lot of people nowadays. I wish the US had the same strict gun restrictions we have here in Canada. You can have a gun but you sure have to jump through some hoops to get one. I have a friend who recently acquired one and I got to read the application you have to complete. They asked if you were recently divorced or having troubled relationships or recent law suits. A yes to any of those would mean a no to you. And the penalties for lying are very steep. I think that's very wise. Unfortunately, your horse is already out of the barn down there, and I have no idea what it will take to get it back now. I find all the suggested solutions quite alarming.

[bram]

Hi Tesla,




My father was a gun owner. The rumor in the family is that he killed two men -- one drowned in a lake, and I didn't get the details on the other. All I know is that they didn't die because of guns. But they were killed by a gun owner -- where does that leave the rest of us?

I can remember spending my twelfth Christmas in a place called Safe Harbor. It's a women's and family shelter. My father had threatened my mother, my sisters, me, and my grandparents with gun violence. He said that he was going to shoot us all. He blamed us kids for ruining his life, starting with me, and he told my mother that he was going to kill us all, then kill her parents. We fled to my uncle's house and called this shelter, and shortly thereafter, we were gone from his life -- for three days only.

http://safeharborsc.org/

I remember an evening my father got drunk and started in with the threats again. My mom piled us into the car, and out the rear window I saw my father holding a .22 rifle and watching us drive away. I wonder how close we came.

Your OP paints a graphic picture of a dangerous and troubled man, who must have carried a heavy, dark aura around with him wherever he went.

In situations like this, especially involving those close to us, it helps (for me anyway) to remember that people can only achieve certain things in their lives due to karma from previous existences. Your father left this life with an even bigger karmic burden than he brought into it, and he will have to suffer much more before he can begin to find freedom.

You probably also feel that much was left unresolved between you, but you can be sure that you and he will interact again; however next time the balance of power may be very different; I pray that you will be able to show him some of the love that he clearly lacked and needs to be able to move forward spiritually!

Thank you for your very honest OP.

Love, bram

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hi Tesla,




My father was a gun owner. The rumor in the family is that he killed two men -- one drowned in a lake, and I didn't get the details on the other. All I know is that they didn't die because of guns. But they were killed by a gun owner -- where does that leave the rest of us?

I can remember spending my twelfth Christmas in a place called Safe Harbor. It's a women's and family shelter. My father had threatened my mother, my sisters, me, and my grandparents with gun violence. He said that he was going to shoot us all. He blamed us kids for ruining his life, starting with me, and he told my mother that he was going to kill us all, then kill her parents. We fled to my uncle's house and called this shelter, and shortly thereafter, we were gone from his life -- for three days only.

http://safeharborsc.org/

I remember an evening my father got drunk and started in with the threats again. My mom piled us into the car, and out the rear window I saw my father holding a .22 rifle and watching us drive away. I wonder how close we came.

Your OP paints a graphic picture of a dangerous and troubled man, who must have carried a heavy, dark aura around with him wherever he went.

In situations like this, especially involving those close to us, it helps (for me anyway) to remember that people can only achieve certain things in their lives due to karma from previous existences. Your father left this life with an even bigger karmic burden than he brought into it, and he will have to suffer much more before he can begin to find freedom.

You probably also feel that much was left unresolved between you, but you can be sure that you and he will interact again; however next time the balance of power may be very different; I pray that you will be able to show him some of the love that he clearly lacked and needs to be able to move forward spiritually!

Thank you for your very honest OP.

Love, bramThank you, and I hope so too.

When he died, it felt like some of the bad energy stayed.
If you know what I mean.

[Fred Steeves]

My husband's friend was recently shot in the face and in the side by a gun owner. The friend was working at a coffee shop and this man just came in and shot him up, along with a bunch of other people in Seattle. No one else had a gun and no one was able to stop the rampage.


That's precisely why I have a concealed carry permit.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

My husband's friend was recently shot in the face and in the side by a gun owner. The friend was working at a coffee shop and this man just came in and shot him up, along with a bunch of other people in Seattle. No one else had a gun and no one was able to stop the rampage.


That's precisely why I have a concealed carry permit.

I wish more "nice" and "normal" people would carry the weapons and not these crazies!
Also there is the question of what to do with a person who is slowly breaking down, rather than quickly.

In a family situation sometimes the conceal and carry bit doesn't work! Although I did fantasize.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I guess the reason I am so sad about guns,

is that they are so FINAL,
and we are so FRAGILE.

My grandfather told me once,
if he was not already involved in Christian ministry full time,
he would have been an animal rights activist because he is so sick about what he had to see on the farm where he grew up.


We all have a different experience in life,
and I think that is the whole point, should reincarnation be the truth,
that we learn from this experience and shed the negative burden of the past mistakes we have made.

I feel so sorry for each victim and each perpetrator of gun violence,
because intelligence is eroded by the conscious choice to both inflict and succumb to the horror of violence.

I believe that people have the right to self defend,
but like the nuclear bomb,
the decision to pull that trigger is so ultimate,
I am not personally 100% sure if it belong's in the monkey's hands,
this terrible power to end a human life!

or a puppy's life.

No matter how you cut it, gun violence is messy and excessive,
and I hope that our country finds a new whore/interest/fad other than Gun Violence.

from hollywood to the deepest darkest holler,
bullets riddle the good reputation of our shining country.

the shot heart round the world has given way to a world full of the sound of flying bullets.
no longer a source of pride and protection,
they have become a blight of misconception and abuse!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/michael-moore-if-you-want-to-protect-yourself-from-criminals-get-a-dog.html

Michael Moore: If You Want to Protect Yourself From Criminals, Get a Dog

Film maker says Americans should only be permitted to own muskets
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
February 22, 2013
Gun control advocate Michael Moore thinks that Americans should only be permitted to own muskets, a stance that would instantly criminalize nearly 100 million firearms owners. His message for everyone else? “If you are worried about your safety, get a dog.”

The maker of Bowling for Columbine was asked by We Are Change’s Luke Rudkowski what his stance was on the argument that Americans should have the right to own firearms in order to protect themselves against criminals, who will always find a way to get guns no matter what the law says.
“There’s nothing wrong with the second amendment, as written, and as intended at that time – I think everybody has a right to own a musket,” said Moore as he smirked and laughed.
Of course, the word “musket” does not appear anywhere in the second amendment.
“I think if somebody really believes they need a gun to protect themselves they should have a right to do that,” said Moore, before dissuading people from doing so by referring to statistics which he claims show having a gun in the house raises the likelihood of someone in the house being harmed.
“If you are worried about your safety, get a dog,” Moore concluded.
Despite his reservations about Americans having guns in their homes, Moore admitted in a 2008 Larry King interview that he owns a gun and also relies on armed security.
Despite his draconian advocacy for strict gun control, Moore routinely surrounds himself with armed bodyguards. Addressing a story about how one of his bodyguards was arrested at New York’s JFK airport for carrying an unlicensed gun, Moore dismissed the issue as “propaganda put out by the right, by Fox News,” claiming the bodyguard did not work for him.
The film maker argued that the bodyguard, Patrick Burke, was on his way to California to protect Arnold Schwarzenegger, and that the bodyguard was probably only hired to protect him by a film studio company. However, the Burke’s gun was licensed in California but not New York, meaning that his crime of carrying an unlicensed weapon was most likely committed while protecting Moore.
In a separate interview, Moore warned that Obama’s passage of the NDAA and his administration’s drone assassination program represented the “early baby steps” towards tyrannical government, but refused to acknowledge that gun control was part of that process.
Moore denied that gun control was part of the Nazi move to dictatorship, arguing, “That’s like saying Hitler and the Nazis invented the Volkswagen….so?”
Although gun control advocates have claimed that Hitler did not disarm the German people and that the ‘Nazi gun control’ argument is a myth, the facts show that Hitler did take existing gun control laws and make them more draconian with the 1938 weapons law, which prohibited Jews from “acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons,” and ordered them to turn in all guns and ammunition to local police.
Historians like Israel Guttman have also outlined how the Warsaw Ghetto uprising against the Nazis was hampered by the fact that imprisoned Jews did not have access to adequate arsenals of firearms.
In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shootings, Moore called for “strict gun control,” labeling the event a “tipping point” that would lead to the demise of the National Rifle Association. However, in the three weeks following the incident, the NRA gained around 100,000 new members.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.
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My great uncle who works at Boeing in Everett suffered a home invasion recently.
A drug addicted young adult son of a couple who worked for Boeing broke into his house while uncle was home.

said uncle shot the man 5 or 6 times.

i think it was excessive.
what do you think?

this was in 2012 i believe, or 2011.
near the time leonard Meuse was shot.

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