What does it mean to put something in God's hands?

[Adalwulf]

Am I absolving myself from the situation?
Is this taking the easy way out by releasing the burden and ultimately accepting whatever fate comes my way....or is it a way of admitting I've done all I can and whatever shall be, shall be....?

[Arrowwind]

For some it means ignoring a situation that they dont know how to deal with or simply dont want to deal with. It can go along with denial, a great and powerful river that leads to total lack of responsibility and ultimately the rule of corruption

[Adalwulf]

That has been my observation as well....






For some it means ignoring a situation that they dont know how to deal with or simply dont want to deal with. It can go along with denial, a great and powerful river that leads to total lack of responsibility and ultimately the rule of corruption

[sirdipswitch]

Yep! It's that simple. Do everything that you can do for yourself, and then just "Accept" that everything will work out just fine, (before you actually get results) and it will. When you do everything this way, you are placing it in the hands of your Higher Self, and It "Will" take care of you as You need it. This has worked for me, my entire life. For everything.

I have now learned through OBE, and communion with my HS/Source, that when we "Trust It Fully", It will never fail us.

And, you don't even need to pray to It, just "Know", in your heart that, "whatever", is true, and it is.

We are Powerfull Immortal Spirits, with Source, as our back up!

We have just been taught not to believe in ourselves.

TRUST... in yourself... and ... IT... will never fail YOU.

:wizard:

[Rocky_Shorz]

knowing when it's time to duck isn't a bad thing, God gave us all brains for a reason... ;)

[sirdipswitch]

Let me add, that this does not mean, that you can be lackadaisical about anything. YOU... must first put forth the effort... or HS/Source, won't budge.

:wizard:

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knowing when it's time to duck isn't a bad thing, God gave us all brains for a reason... ;)


YEP!!! cccc.:wizard:

[greybeard]

There is great power in humility.
Those in AA will know the phrase "let go, let God"

Its not an opt out in anyway, it takes courage to let go.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference.

That kind of sums it up.

Chris

[GCS1103]

For some of us, it means that in the end, although we have "free will", God has the final say over what will become of our lives. We would all like to have control over every situation we encounter, good or bad, but I don't believe we do. So, when we are carrying a particularly heavy burden that's overwhelming us, we need to put that burden in God's hands. He will determine the solution and the outcome. (It works for me).

[johnf]

I found this stuff much clearer when I replaced God with reality.
So placing something in God's hands takes a little work to do it right.
Whatever the situation, I have my part in it, and others have their part.
Also there is the big part of reality called time.
So along with this is scheduling. What research can i fit in, what actions can I get done.
The major thrust of this phrase is acceptance. Instead of judgement, blame and anger, we have the choice of doing what we can about things without forcing our viewpoints on others.

[GCS1103]

There is great power in humility.
Those in AA will know the phrase "let go, let God"

Its not an opt out in anyway, it takes courage to let go.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference.

That kind of sums it up.

Chris

As always, Chris, perfectly stated.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I found this stuff much clearer when I replaced God with reality.
So placing something in God's hands takes a little work to do it right.
Whatever the situation, I have my part in it, and others have their part.
Also there is the big part of reality called time.
So along with this is scheduling. What research can i fit in, what actions can I get done.
The major thrust of this phrase is acceptance. Instead of judgement, blame and anger, we have the choice of doing what we can about things without forcing our viewpoints on others.

I'm curious, what do you think you add to a conversation with a blatant slam like this, knowing you don't know is the most important thing you can ever learn...

I was told once, I need air to breath...

I can't see it, can't touch it...

without thinking about or believing in air, we continue with our lives just fine, accomplishing anything we want. Very few have given their lives studying air, people around the world have read books about air, and believe without having to know Air themselves.

but I believe without it, none of us would be here... ;)

now, if you prefer denying air is necessary to survive, that's fine, until the day you really try to live without it, then you suddenly scratch your head, and say, maybe they might have known something I should have listened to as you Gak...

[Arrowwind]

There is great power in humility.
Those in AA will know the phrase "let go, let God"

Its not an opt out in anyway, it takes courage to let go.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference.

That kind of sums it up.

Chris

Yes, if that is what people are actually doing but I think that most people are still asleep and use giving it to god as a convient excuses and if you are awake you cannot sleep nor falter for what is right. There seems to be a huge deficit in the wisdom deparment and hence places like Avalon exist so that people can learn if they have not already. When knowledge and wisdom comes denial falls away.

Our primary responsibilty is to awaken and then to act.

Psalms 146:6
May the praise of god be in their mouths and a double edged sword be in their hands.

""When you make a vow to the LORD your God, you shall not delay to pay it, for it would be sin in you, and the LORD your God will surely require it of you."

Isiah 49:2 He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand he hid me. Me made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his quvier.

In other words if you commit to truth you maintian the struggle no matter what, for in my estimation we are the living word of god, created in his image, if we choose to live up to it, and it is god that works though us, but not if we turn our face away. Giving up generally is not an option with the Lord.

Same as we expect from Oath Keepers.

[Arrowwind]

You know you have done all that you can the day you meet your maker. Not a day sooner.

[johnf]

I'm sorry if this was taken wrong, there was absolutely no negativity in my statement here that I can see. And I was talking about my own experience, not talking about someone else.
If you really want to resolve an upset perhaps a pm would be more helpful.



I found this stuff much clearer when I replaced God with reality.
So placing something in God's hands takes a little work to do it right.
Whatever the situation, I have my part in it, and others have their part.
Also there is the big part of reality called time.
So along with this is scheduling. What research can i fit in, what actions can I get done.
The major thrust of this phrase is acceptance. Instead of judgement, blame and anger, we have the choice of doing what we can about things without forcing our viewpoints on others.

I'm curious, what do you think you add to a conversation with a blatant slam like this, knowing you don't know is the most important thing you can ever learn...

I was told once, I need air to breath...

I can't see it, can't touch it...

without thinking about or believing in air, we continue with our lives just fine, accomplishing anything we want. Very few have given their lives studying air, people around the world have read books about air, and believe without having to know Air themselves.

but I believe without it, none of us would be here... ;)

now, if you prefer denying air is necessary to survive, that's fine, until the day you really try to live without it, then you suddenly scratch your head, and say, maybe they might have known something I should have listened to as you Gak...

[Rocky_Shorz]

don't apologize,

your higher self just brought you forward to a bunch who had gathered to talk about air, to let us know you don't...

when our eyes swing towards you, you will not leave, without believing in air... ;)

just a hint, if you don't want people talking to you about air, just keep quiet, and no one will give you attention to change your mind.

we're all family here and free to share our feelings, that is what makes it special, but try to be kind is all I ask...

[johnf]

So it sounds like my statement was taken to mean I don't believe in God. I can see now how that might be unclear.
What I was saying really was that the idea of putting something in God's hands became clearer to me once I understood God as what is in the larger sense of that phrase.
Problems with the idea of God seem to come mostly from placing a person or person's in the place of what is actually showing up in front of one.
And often thoughts of God get confused with experiences of an overbearing authority of some sort, and times when others haved insisted on playing God, and equating themselves with god.
Your talk about air only makes sense if I assume you took my statement as a disbelief in God as opposed to an attempt to talk about how I see and think about God.
It is the same thing as inquiring who am I .
Whenever an object, thought or emotion comes up, I can inspect it and see it is not me, I have done a lot of that with the concept of God.
It is a tough subject to discuss without strong emotions coming up that can really be dealt with only in conversations, especially on the internet.

[Rocky_Shorz]

when I've driven off cliffs though a mountain pass, the only words that crossed my lips were "Oh God" and the car blew back onto the road...

I'm glad you shared, because 99% of all of us see and believe as you do.

I don't believe he is sitting there with 7 Billion puppet strings controlling every action we take in life, but he's there when we get into real trouble, that's when I put it in God's hands for help...


"without forcing our viewpoints on others."

many times I see one little phrase in what someone is sharing, that stands out stronger than anything else they have written. I reply back in a way to get them to open up and share further, knowing what they wrote needs a little further clarification.

Some believe words on a screen mean nothing in a forum, and aren't the best way to communicate, but when you reach a level where your Spirit is communicating outside of the words on a page with another, much that is hidden to you becomes a moment of reflection.

[johnf]

when I've driven off cliffs though a mountain pass, the only words that crossed my lips were "Oh God" and the car blew back onto the road...

I'm glad you shared, because 99% of all of us see and believe as you do.

I don't believe he is sitting there with 7 Billion puppet strings controling every action we take in life, but he's there when we get into real trouble, that's when I put it in God's hands for help...

I have been called difficult to understand so I geuss this is another example.
The putting things in Gods hands experiment has left me with the prospect that the more I observe without carrying my preconceptions and unresolved emotions into my present experience, the more I will see and the better decisions I will make.
No matter how I try I still have a big personality that follows me into situations, and that seems to be the hardest thing to see through.
So again that is the big responsibility that goes along with acceptance for me.

[kreagle]

Am I absolving myself from the situation?
Is this taking the easy way out by releasing the burden and ultimately accepting whatever fate comes my way....or is it a way of admitting I've done all I can and whatever shall be, shall be....?


Adalwulf,

In reference to your overall question, I agree with the sentiment of many others, here, along the lines of what you are suggesting in 'doing all I can do,....first', before resigning yourself to 'putting the situation in God's Hands'. I think it's equally important for the 'seeker' to also have addressed the situation with their Pastor,...spiritual mentor, etc. In doing this, one might just find a 'spiritual angle/solution' to their dilemma that they, themselves, didn't think of, that they could, now, equally employ with victorious results. This type of 'wise council' goes along with the Scriptures suggestion to attend Church on a regular basis,....so that you CAN have access to this type of insight when you need it.



James 2:20 (KJV)

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?



Upon conclusion of 'your best efforts',( 'works' employed),....and....'council from your Pastor/Spiritual Mentor, etc.',....you still don't have your answer/solution,....then you can confidently 'place it in the Hands of God', my dear friends. It's then, ( and then, 'only'), that you have truly 'done all you can do,.....and.....it's now God's turn to handle your situation.' Faith 'kicks in, here',.....and literally activates the abilities of our 'unlimited God!'


johnf,


I found this stuff much clearer when I replaced God with reality.


I believe your opening statement, here, is what set our dear friend, Rocky_Shorz, off to begin with. I understand his frustration, ( from a 'believer's standpoint') but I am also willing to 'cut you some slack', my dear friend. I have learned to 'expect this type of mentality' from those who have yet to 'go down the same spiritual roads', ( ie. being 'Born Again'), that I have. Whether you fully realize it, johnf, or not,....your statement not only 'ties the Hands of God', in relationship to Him helping out with the problem,.....it, in reality, 'removes His Hands, altogether',......and 'eliminates Him completely from the picture!'

God can easily 'handle the things in life that we can't' He still cares today!!!



1 Peter 5:7 (KJV)

7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.



Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Rocky_Shorz]

I had him at air... ;)

John, went silent, because I just shared something more important than what he already knew, when he started replying to my last comment, he was typing from my words he saw, I showed him how our Spirits were communicating, by adding what he was putting into words, 8 minutes before he posted...

[johnf]

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?





johnf,


I found this stuff much clearer when I replaced God with reality.
I believe your opening statement, here, is what set our dear friend, Rocky_Shorz, off to begin with. I understand his frustration, ( from a 'believer's standpoint') but I am also willing to 'cut you some slack', my dear friend. I have learned to 'expect this type of mentality' from those who have yet to 'go down the same spiritual roads', ( ie. being 'Born Again'), that I have. Whether you fully realize it, johnf, or not,....your statement not only 'ties the Hands of God', in relationship to Him helping out with the problem,.....it, in reality, 'removes His Hands, altogether',......and 'eliminates Him completely from the picture!'

God can easily 'handle the things in life that we can't' He still cares today!!!



1 Peter 5:7 (KJV)

7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle[/QUOTE]
Dear Fellow Avalonian Kreagle,

Your post is very close to my last one so maybe it cleared things up a bit for you.
Whilst I believe in God I do not believe EXCLUSIVELY, in any conception of it that has been taught to me by another human as what God is.
I have had discussions of God , and spirituality with people of all sorts of faiths, as well as atheists and have allways found common ground in the feeling of absolute certainty, that there is something there that is bigger than all of us.
As far as your statement that I have not followed the same path as you that is correct, but if we were to converse longer , I am sure we will find some amazing similarities in our paths.
Having been raised in a stringently catholic household where there was a lot of rage and often physical pain involved in my indoctrination
of religious ideas. I have had to sometimes forcibly extricate myself from others ideas of who and what God was in order to not feel obligated to turn around and either through physical, and or verbal abuse educate others in the same manner.
One particular incident was very mild on the outside , but I wound up emotionally disconnecting from what I once considered God to be which is infinity. I was all excited about telling my mother about what I saw when i thought about that word , and my mother looked very frightened for a moment and said Oh, nobody can understand infinity. And I felt like I had been found guilty of doing some harmful thing because, well I think it was five years old or younger, so I was very concerned with this womans approval. I have since reconsidered this event and decided it was ok to reconnect with this infinite source of all that is.

I have found many tools that have allowed me to look into my own mind, body, and emotions, to look for proof of my own ideas, the existence of God, and the rightness and wrongness of all sorts of ideas , events etc.
In all cases I have found each of these things to have only temporary existence, and as I look things disappear , and new things appear.
And I have had to take responsibility for many misperceptions, and forgive myself because I am a limited temporal being.
And all this has transpired after a certain fateful night when I was struggling with addiction, survival, and threatened with loss of support of people very dear to me. When I asked god for help, My mind opened up farther than I knew it could, and pretty much all my ideas, experiences and emotions came floating up and rearranged themselves before me, and I have since spent most of my time contemplating spiritual questions ,and doing my best to take spiritually guided actions.
So perhaps I am actually born again, I am not the same creature that I was that night, however I have been judged as all sorts of things that don't fit that phrase.
I have a certain set of things I say to my creator as I understand it everynight, and every morning, And indeed I call it by the name reality, some of these times, and God at others.
In this way as well as my time spent in this forum communicating to others (of somewhat similar beliefs) I endeavor to die daily, and to be reborn as a better being.
Again, I tend to avoid throwing around labels that others will think mean something that I don't really agree with.
So I don't go around considering myself born again, or call myself that.
I have spent most of my life being convinced that we are spiritual beings that live multiple lives, and have been told by many, that that idea means I am not born again. Having spent more time since that point, with the non duality ideas and tools, I have come to the conclusion that perhaps what I have seen as a continuous self that transfers from life to life, maybe what I am seeing is just the energy set up by one set of motions remerging in a whole new set of motions that seems to have a solid self to it that was also in the previous. It is all exercises in reducing my self importance in order to be more effective.
So, I prefer to talk about letting go of old ideas, and being open to new ideas that are likely to produce better outcomes for all of us.
So in closing let me clarify a little bit more if I can. I replace the word God with the word reality. Reality is all that is,(the Greater Reality if you will) and it seems to be constantly expanding, and anything I can perceive or interact with is probably a temporary form in that greater reality.

And that new understanding that is available there needs to be sought as often as possible, and fed back into my actions as much as is humanly possible.

[Rocky_Shorz]

it is an awakening for all of us to realize we aren't just connected to God, but all of the Spirits around us...

[ghostrider]

the spirit has the whole world in its hands, we have the illusion that we are holding something ...there is no spoon ...

[Shadowman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHayfO0OClU

Namaste/With Love
tim

[gripreaper]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=disappointment.gif&res=landing

[johnf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHayfO0OClU

Namaste/With Love
tim
My favorite scene from one of my favorite movies.
In my way of thinking it is someone playing God, and his subject admitting his own limitations, and giving up his illusions.
Sometimes this takes a strong teacher, but this movie is really a thriller at this point ,you think he is a dangerous psycho, but he is shown as just another misunderstood genius in the end.
I think one of the points of the phrase putting it in God's hands is too back away if someone doesn't consent to you teaching them something.
Ii is best to go on with our business long before the duct tape comes out , and the headlocks commence!

[Kindling]

I think Rocky and John can have an amazing conversation!! :-)

[Rocky_Shorz]

we already did, and I'm sure he shared more than what he was planning on when he started talking.

he released hidden pain that he's kept buried for a while here on this page. Many from the Catholic Church feel the same, they, like the Republicans, need to change.

[Prodigal Son]

"....And the wisdom to know the difference."

We cannot have wisdom without knowledge. How can we know what we can or cannot change until we know exactly what we human beings are capable of? Much exciting research about human thought and its ability to change DNA in the last 12 to 15 years....

This guy Yehoshua Ben Yosef said something about moving mountains with our thoughts.... and that we were gods.... and they killed him for it. They kill everyone who tries to wake the people up.

I'll bet that the people on this forum can give God a good run for his money ;)

[gripreaper]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/01/eyeofhorusthalamusbrain.jpg

[Prodigal Son]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/01/eyeofhorusthalamusbrain.jpg

How timely!

One of my favorite albums....

http://www.the80sman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/alan_parsons_project_eye_in_the_sky_1982_the80sman.jpg

[johnf]

we already did, and I'm sure he shared more than what he was planning on when he started talking.

he released hidden pain that he's kept buried for a while here on this page. Many from the Catholic Church feel the same, they, like the Republicans, need to change.
I would apreciate it if you would stop pretending to have taught me things, when you don't really know what is going on on my side.
If I have some revelation because of something someone else shares I usually thank them promptly.

[Paranormal]

Am I absolving myself from the situation?
Is this taking the easy way out by releasing the burden and ultimately accepting whatever fate comes my way....or is it a way of admitting I've done all I can and whatever shall be, shall be....?

It depends on the situation - I could not convince my Mother to go into a rest home - she was too stubborn. She got very decrepid and would put up with anything to stay at her home. There wasn't anything I could do, so I let her live her life as I couldn't kidnap her and force her to stay at an old folks home. So I left it in God's hands and she stayed in her house until the day she died.

But in other situations, this can be a cop-out when we don't want to help.

[markpierre]

Am I absolving myself from the situation?
Is this taking the easy way out by releasing the burden and ultimately accepting whatever fate comes my way....or is it a way of admitting I've done all I can and whatever shall be, shall be....?

I may be parroting others here, I'll presume I am. But I appreciate the simplicity of the question and the sincerity I sense in it.

When you meet the confrontations in your life, the things you recoil from, sedate away, resist, try to fix, or try to control. Because you feel you must,
we've been trained to believe that it's up to us, and that if we fail we've failed entirely. We damn ourselves. We carry those failures with us and identify ourselves with them.
But all things have a purpose. And the purpose can never be revealed except in the outcome they are meant to achieve. Not just for you, but for everyone. The outcome is without fail, a fundamental change in you.
A change toward everything you could ever hope to be. "Your will be done."

Giving something to God is an acknowledgement that there is purpose in everything, because everything is of God. You can't know the purpose, and you aren't required to.
You do know the outcome in retrospect because you're different. More accepting. More tolerant. Less afraid. More in love. That's if that confrontation was allowed to do it's work.
We are responsible for learning to allow. And that's the hardest and slowest and most challenging lesson in all of our accumulated experiences as human beings.
"Your will be done" becomes a discipline.

Your 'fate' is to learn and to grow and to change into the experience of a 'you' that God wills you to know. The 'you' that he knows as a part of him.
There is no real distinction between yourself and God, even now in your beliefs that there is. There is no other real agenda. And that one's not so bad?
You can have your autonomy when you've truly learned where all of your power and the thing that is 'life' comes from. "Your will be done."

You learn that in increments, or sometimes revelation. But always retrospectively. I've passed though jealousy by experiencing it, and seeing my mistaken beliefs about it.
I see it and react to it differently now.
I've passed through betrayal, never mind the outcome in the illusion. I've passed through lack and loss. passed through hatred and prejudice.
I've passed through arrogance, I've passed through loneliness and isolation. I've passed through injustice. I didn't resist them. Do you see? And any of those things and including my greatest nightmares, anywhere that I held back, or didn't fully accept, I'll get to pass through again until I do. All of our fears have to be seen for what they are, unreal.
All for the good. All for the glory of me in my new direct experience of a bigger, more whole, more loving and more useful 'me'. Not isolated and vulnerable and impotent.
Until I finally become that thing that God intended me to experience. The thing he sees. To know without question that God could never abandon what he made.
"Your will be done."

You can't absolve yourself from that agenda, no matter what you do.

[ulli]

"I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and to worship Thee.

I testify, at this moment, to my powerlessness and to Thy might, to my poverty and to Thy wealth.

There is none other God but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting."

To me, this prayer puts it all into perspective. Creates right attitude, gives meaning to life,
and frees me to become fearless. No one other than God can then control me.
Nor does it leave room for illusion.

[Rocky_Shorz]

we already did, and I'm sure he shared more than what he was planning on when he started talking.

he released hidden pain that he's kept buried for a while here on this page. Many from the Catholic Church feel the same, they, like the Republicans, need to change.



shhhh ;)

CH_f6HfJO7s

[johnf]

Yes folks the pope soap has come off the rope.
Now we can no longer just rub him all over our selves, and let the water rinse off our souls!
We will now have to take responsibility for our actions, and do something differently.
OMG, the price of pope soap on a rope is gonna sky rocket!

http://www.find-me-a-gift.co.uk/gifts/pope-soap-on-a-rope.html

I have tried over and over to do Fr. Sarducci's version , but my impression sucks, so I'm left with watching his you tubes.