Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

[MorningSong]

Breaking News on Italian TV!

Will update as it hits the MSM!

[mgray]

*pope benedict to resign feb. 28, vatican spokesman said

[ThePythonicCow]

Breaking News on Italian TV!

Will update as it hits the MSM!


*pope benedict to resign feb. 28, vatican spokesman said
I merged these two threads ... MorningSong won by two minutes :).

[mgray]

The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, describes each of the Roman Catholic popes, beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI. The new pope is described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.

[Conchis]

Reminds me of this....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

[Sabrina]

Well, well... now if the Queen Elizabeth made an announcement as well :)...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9862194/Pope-Benedict-XVI-to-resign.html

11 Feb

Pope Benedict XVI to resign

Pope Benedict XVI is to resign on February 28th, a Vatican spokesman has announced.

"The pope announced that he will leave his ministry at 8:00 pm (1900 GMT) on February 28," said the spokesman, Federico Lombardi.

Last year the Pope started using a cane on occasions and recently he appeared to have trouble reading the text of an address he delivered in Rome.

There was no immediate official comment from the Vatican.

In November last year, he declared that it is "beautiful to be old".

"The quality of a society, I'd say of a civilisation, is judged by how well it treats its elderly," the 85-year-old pontiff said during the visit to the home run by the Saint Egidio Community, a Catholic charity.

While it was "beautiful to be old", age brought challenges and difficulties with which he himself was familiar.
"I know well the difficulties, the problems and the limits of this age, and I know that these difficulties are aggravated for many people by the economic crisis," the Pope said.

More to follow.

[AlaBil]

Well that sure will help Tom Horn's book, "Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here." Website: http://www.forbiddengate.com/ I WILL have to read the book now.

[MorningSong]

Here we go:


Pope to step down 28 February per Italian news and BBC

Last edited Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:04 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2)
Source: BBC

No link yet; multiple Italian sources reporting Benedict has announced his pending abdication.

Link (in Italian): http://www.corriere.it/cronache/13_febbraio_11/papa-lascia-pontificato_d6c03642-7438-11e2-b945-c75ed2830f7b.shtml

Text says: The Pope leaves the papacy from February 28. The announcement was made personally, in Latin, during the consistory for the canonization of the martyrs of Otranto.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1014395794


11 February 2013 Last updated at 11:11 GMT

Pope Benedict in shock resignation

The Pope is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected development, the Vatican has confirmed.

The 85-year-old became Pope Benedict XVI in April 2005 following the death of John Paul II.

The reasons behind the head of the Catholic Church's surprise resignation have yet to emerge.

Resignations from the papacy are not unknown, but this is the first in the modern era, which has been marked by pontiffs dying while in office.

At 78, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was one of the oldest new popes in history when elected.

He took the helm as one of the fiercest storms the Catholic Church has faced in decades - the scandal of child sex abuse by priests - was breaking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

[G.Deluca]

he said he felt the weight of being pope,it he leaves papacy for the good of the church,he will leave the 28th of february ,no more info for now

[Dorjezigzag]

No pope has resigned in modern times

1294 was the last time a Pope resigned.

http://inagist.com/all/300923279781269504/

Edit: Now reading that Pope Gregory XII resigned in 1415 to end the western schism.

The Western Schism or Papal Schism was a split within the Catholic Church from 1378 to 1417. Two men simultaneously claimed to be the true pope. Driven by politics rather than any theological disagreement, the schism was ended by the Council of Constance (1414–1418). The simultaneous claims to the papal chair of two different men hurt the reputation of the office. I guess it could be said this was not a true resignation


Whatever it was a long time ago;)

[Cidersomerset]

They were speculating about this last year on Fox news.....

qpt8BLLkAWA





The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, describes each of the
Roman Catholic popes, beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and
concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI. The new pope is
described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the
destruction of the city of Rome.





This is the U/tube comment of above vid...

Published on 16 Apr 2012
READ THE FRESH NEWS ARTICLES BELOW ! ! ! URGENT ! ! !

They sure are showing lots of little snips of this 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' guy
for some reason, coincidence? I think not.
LOOK AT 12 and 13 seconds on the Time line, you'll see him walking with the
current Pope.

His name is 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' Pietro = Peter
Born in Romano Canavese, Italy = Roman
Peter the Roman = Petrus Romanus (The Final Pope)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BBC online...


11 February 2013 Last updated at 11:22


LIVE: Pope says he will resign Live

Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected
development, saying he is too old continue at the age of 85.

He became Pope in 2005 following John Paul II's death.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65818000/jpg/_65818408_65817633.jpg

Pope Benedict's announcement has surprised Catholics and the wider world

Resignations from the papacy are not unknown, but this is the first in the modern
era, which has been marked by pontiffs dying while in office.

At 78, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was one of the oldest new popes in
history when elected.

He took the helm as one of the fiercest storms the Catholic Church has faced in
decades - the scandal of child sex abuse by priests - was breaking.

In a statement, he said: "After having repeatedly examined my conscience before
God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are
no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry...

"In today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of
deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and
proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which
in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to
recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

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Published on 11 Feb 2013


Pope Benedict XVI is to resign on February 28, the Vatican has announced. Pope
Benedict XVI To Retire Pope Resigns | Breaking News Pope Benedict Resigns
Vatican Confirms Pope's Resignation on FEB 28

He will be the first head of the Catholic Church to resign in almost 600 years. The
Vatican said his departure would leave the post temporarily vacant.Vatican
spokesman Federico Lombardi said: "The pope announced that he will leave his
ministry at 8:00pm (7pm UK time) on February 28."

He will step down after almost eight years in the post, having been elected in April
2005.Edward Pentin, from the Catholic Herald, told Sky News: "It really is too early
to say what his greatest achievement has been."


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2nd report.

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To many scandels,,,,,

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Published on 3 Feb 2013


Reputation of the German Catholic Church have resulted in more and more
worshippers turning their backs on it. Child abuse, sexual harassment cases
committed by priests that don't even get to court are seen as the main reason for
dramatically shrinking congregations. You may find some of the details in Peter
Oliver's report disturbing.

[Cjay]

Another report at aljazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/02/2013211105348481339.html)

[HaveBlue]

The last resignation was in 1294 or 1415 (take your pick what to believe!) because when you agree to be pope it is a life commitment.
I do recall how Ratzinger was said to have not wanted the job and just wanted to go home to Germany and retire.
In essence to resign as pope is to dishonour an agreement. If leadership is from the top down what does this say for them? No wonder the prophesy is that the next popes' papacy ends in the destruction of Rome.

Personally I can't help but feel that a pope should be able to resign without any shame. Parading some old man about that may have dementia and/or a host of problems is just showbiz.

It'll be interesting for a non religous person like me to watch. I can't help think that he knows he'll be suicided like the last popes if he stays any longer!

[Sabrina]

His last Twitter feed yesterday:

Pope Benedict's twitter feed has been silent since news broke of his resignation. His last tweet was sent yesterday.


We must trust in the mighty power of God’s mercy. We are all sinners, but His grace transforms us and makes us new.

FROM @PONTIFEX ON TWITTER: (11:12 am, Sun 10 Feb 2013)

[panopticon]

G'day All,

Sourced from here (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-11/pope-benedict-to-resign3a-italian-media/4513244).

#######

The full statement from Pope Benedict XVI:
Dear Brothers,


I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonizations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church.

After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.

I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering.

However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me.

For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects.

And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff. With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.

From the Vatican, 10 February 2013

BENEDICTUS PP XVI

#######

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Operator]

I can't help think that he knows he'll be suicided like the last popes if he stays any longer!

I had the same thought: "If he stays any longer he will be killed".

Somehow I have the feeling the next pope maybe an American (or at least non European) for a change.

[Chester]

EDIT! - I looked in General and did not see a Pope thread - so apologies as I was beaten to the punch.

I did dream that "insectoid type" beings at least 20 feet tall with extremely long tentacles that could stab you in a heart beat were trying to keep me pinned into a corner... As it was just a dream, I simply considered the dilemma and attempted to communicate with them telepathically as to why they were not trying to kill me. It was weird.

You heard it here "third" from justoneclown.

I always wanted to hang out in Italy... where do I go for a job interview anyone?

I would be called - Pope Ropa Dope II (Mohamed Ali was Pope Ropa Dope I)


EDIT: I just learned I had to be a Cardinal first... damn - Ravens don't count?


WoW! Just learned he is resigning on my son's birthday... my son who is in jail... my son who is to go before the judge to learn his fate as well on his birthday.

Will it turn out true that good things happen in threes?

I am glad the Pope decided to go smell the roses.

[AwakeInADream]

According to the Prophecy of St. Malachy the next Pope will be the anti-christ! Fun times were living in...

[sigma6]

Never heard of a Pope "resigning" before... more grand symbolism? If you have more info on St Malachy's prophecy Awake, would be interested to know more


UPDATE: (added a little time capsule of posts and articles...)
- wanted to point out Benjamin Fulford (like Nick Guarino predicted the market crash 12 years prior) has another prediction magically come true (he makes no claims of prescience) about something that should never have even been predictable and even crazier to speculate about... i.e. this is not even a 'cyclical' event, but something which has never happened before (or a 'cycle' greater then a century...) but there you have it, as much evidence as you will ever get ... the man has connections...

Ben Fulford Pope resignation revelation last month was reported yesterday by MSM and Drudge.
Submitted by just-a-girl on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 10:14
in Weird Stuff

"I read this blog on the Daily Paul last month where Ben Fulford predicted that the Pope would resign on April 15th.

I can not believe what I read yesterday, April 15th on Drudge.
Pope marks milestones amid signs of frailty, succession talk...
Wow! The Pope is appointed for life. It was 700 years since the last Pope resigned!
I don't follow Ben Fulford, but when he stated Timothy Geithner was arrested and then Fox News validated Ben Fulford's report, it caught my attention.

I don't know what to think of Ben Fulford. Both of these revelations prior to any MSM resporting is VERY impressive to me!"


UPDATE:
Original Fulford article of Mar 13th 2012, (had to search it since it was before I started thread...
It is time to storm the Bastille, vive la revolution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=634068&viewfull=1#post634068)

I wonder if this marks a "kinder and gentler" Vatican? (lol) He gets the option to retire, as opposed to being put out of his misery. Very interesting statement about being "old" and his awareness of the economy


UPDATE:
Other notable predictions I have found on Avalon:
Stomy -
Synthesis of Prophecies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30522-Folder-Synthesis-of-Prophecies&p=433682&viewfull=1#post433682)

jagman - (not a prediction but a lot of interesting "pope" stuff...
Vatican Opens Secret Archives (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37679-Vatican-opens-secret-archives-&p=392710&viewfull=1#post392710)
Who is Peter the Roman? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52343-Who-is-Peter-the-Roman--St.Malachy-Prophecy-&p=587904&viewfull=1#post587904)


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Bottom Line:
They are not hiding the fact that this is a PLANNED EVENT obviously months (if not several months at the most) before predictions of a dire Western backed financial meltdown warnings leaking everywhere.) I don't know why people can't draw the conclusion that a lot of what is purported as Biblical prediction is manipulation by high level world power agencies...

The Roman Origin of Christianity... Roman satire...
http://www.thenewsturmer.com/downloading/roman1_2.pdf
The more I study this Roman culture the less I know what to think...
the absolute power (to kill other human beings for their agenda) and
the absolute wealth that would intoxicate and destroy any man's soul.

Another issue, people who still read and study are finding out history is not what we were told, as if the whole point of all this is to crush another renaissance of intellectual growth in order to protect institutions built on lies. Take back all the money stolen by Banks, Rome and the Military Industrial Complex et al and we could have been living on a paradise earth hundreds of years ago.

[MorningSong]

I remember Pope Benedict's visit to Pope Celestine V's tomb in 2009 (then again in 2010) and wondered about the significance of this act at the time:


Pope Pondering Resignation? Benedict Visits Tomb of Pontiff Who Stepped Down

Pope Benedict XVI visited on Sunday the tomb of a 13th-century predecessor who abdicated the papal throne in 1294 at age 85. But Benedict, who is 83 and has been under siege over the clergy sex abuse crisis, made no mention of the controversy surrounding that unique resignation or his own thoughts on retirement -- or if that's even possible for a pope.

Benedict had traveled to the town of Sulmona, in the central Italian region of Abruzzi, which was devastated by an earthquake in 2009, killing some 300 and leaving thousands homeless. The pope had also visited the region soon after the quake, praying before the salvaged remains of Pope St. Celestine V.

The main reason for this visit, however, was to mark the 800th anniversary of the birth of Celestine, a hermit who reigned for just five months before resigning.

Pietro del Murrone was a simple monk known for his humility, which led cardinals in a deadlocked conclave to elect him pope after the papal throne had been vacant for more than two years. Pietro protested, but was convinced to take up the burden of office by King Charles II of the Kingdom of Sicily and Naples. Charles led him on a donkey to his coronation as Pope Celestine V.

During his brief reign, poor Celestine remained a virtual puppet of King Charles. He issued just two major decrees, one providing for the abdication of a pope, and another when he announced his resignation -- something only a handful of popes have done throughout history, and none for the past 700 years or so.

Celestine's Machiavellian successor, Boniface VIII, imprisoned the poor old man after his resignation, and he died 10 months later. A few years after that, Dante wrote "The Divine Comedy" and put Celestine in the Inferno, just inside the gates of hell for what was called his "great refusal" to take on the papal office.

Yet Celestine was also canonized by the church in 1313.

During his homily at an open-air Mass on a hot Sunday morning, Benedict ignored that history and instead focused on Celestine's personal holiness, and his life as a hermit.

"Silence thus became the element that characterized his daily life," Benedict told the gathering of about 25,000 people. "And it is precisely in external silence, but above all in internal silence, that he succeeded in perceiving God's voice, a voice that was able to guide his life.

"Here a first aspect that is important for us: We live in a society in which it seems that every space, every moment must be 'filled' with initiatives, activity, sound; often there is not even time to listen and dialogue. Dear brothers and sisters! Let us not be afraid to be silent outside and inside ourselves, so that we are able not only to perceive God's voice, but also the voice of the person next to us, the voices of others."

Benedict drove home the message of simplicity in a time of abundance in two other events during his daylong visit. "We too, who live in a time of great comfort and possibility, are called to appreciate a sober way of life, to keep our minds and hearts more free to be able to share our goods with our brothers," he told those gathered in Sulmona's main square at noon.

And later that afternoon he told young people that "the current consumerist culture" tends to "flatten man to the present, to make him lose the sense of the past, of history; but in this way it also deprives him of the capacity to understand himself, to perceive problems and to build tomorrow."

He continued: "So, dear young people, I would like to tell you, the Christian is one who has a good memory, who loves history and seeks to know it."

Benedict XVI certainly has a keen sense of history, and knew that his visit would prompt speculation about his own thoughts on retirement -- views he has never shared publicly. It seems unlikely, however, that a pope as respectful of tradition as Benedict is would upend centuries of custom and retire.........


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/05/pope-pondering-resignation-benedict-visits-tomb-of-pontiff-who/

[ThePythonicCow]

Breaking News - The Pope Announces his Resignation - Where can I apply?

You heard it here first from justoneclown.
You're about third :).

I just merged your thread in with the previously merged threads on this.

Guess you'll have to wait in line for your turn at the Papacy.

[witchy1]

His last Twitter feed yesterday:
Pope Benedict's twitter feed has been silent since news broke of his resignation. His last tweet was sent yesterday.

Wonder if hes already dead?

[MorningSong]

HAhaha, Paul... OOOPS! If that's what I'm standing here waiting for, I think I'll politely drop out of line! (still chuckling...heheheheh:)

[Chester]

According to the Prophecy of St. Malachy the next Pope will be the anti-christ! Fun times were living in...

WoW! I just took back my application - thanks for the heads up. Perhaps I should change my "poster name" to AsleepInAReality hahaha.

How did I miss that one? The next Pope the "anti-christ"?

[Tane Mahuta]

Concur with all the posts so far...

These shysters are up to something!!

Something that we as Avalonian really need to keep our eyes open.

With all that is going on in this World.

These shysters are up to something!!

nuff said

TM

[MorningSong]

More:


By Claudio Lavanga and Alastair Jamieson, NBC News

Updated at 7:42 a.m. ET: ROME -- Pope Benedict XVI announced Monday he will resign on February 28 as leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics, saying he no longer has the strength to carry out his duties.

The 85-year-old announced his decision during an address, in Latin, at the "Concistory for the canonization of the martyrs of Otranto", a small event held early in the morning.

The decision, which took even the Vatican hierarchy by surprise, makes him the first pope to resign since the Middle Ages.

His statement was posted on the Vatican Radio website.

Carrying out the duties of being pope required "both strength of mind and body," it said.

Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. Look back at his life from childhood through his papacy.

"After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry," the pontiff's statement said.

The choice was a "decision of great importance" for the church, the statement added.

There are several papal contenders in the wings, but no obvious front-runner, The Associated Press reported.

It added:

Contenders to be his successor include Cardinal Angelo Scola, archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, the archbishop of Vienna, and Cardinal Marc Ouellet, the Canadian head of the Vatican's office for bishops.

Reuters quoted a Vatican spokesman as saying the pontiff did not fear schism in the Church following his resignation.

Greg Burke, senior communications adviser to the Holy See, confirmed the pope will step down on February 28 at 8 p.m. local time (2 p.m. ET), leaving the office vacant until a successor is chosen.

Luke Coppen, editor of UK newspaper The Catholic Herald, told the Daily Telegraph: "Pope Benedict’s pontificate has been full of surprises. This is the biggest one of all."

Born in Bavaria, Germany, in 1927, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became the 265th pope in April 2005, describing himself "a simple, humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord."

April 20, 2005: Speaking directly to the cardinals who elected him, Pope Benedict XVI issues a mission statement: To unify all Christians and reach out to other religions. NBC's Keith Miller reports.

Reuters noted:

Ratzinger served in the Hitler Youth during World War Two when membership was compulsory. He was never a member of the Nazi party and his family opposed Adolf Hitler's regime.

His tough stance on theological issues had earned him the nickname "God's rottweiler." He was the oldest pope elected in nearly 300 years, according to the Associated Press.

The last pope to step aside was Gregory XII in 1415, who did so in order to end the Great Western Schism. The last papal abdication was in Celestine V in 1294.

The Associated Press added:

The move sets the stage for the Vatican to hold a conclave to elect a new pope by mid-March, since the traditional mourning time that would follow the death of a pope doesn't have to be observed.

Reuters noted that Benedict XVI's "ruled over a slower-paced, more cerebral and less impulsive Vatican."

It added:

"But while conservatives cheered him for trying to reaffirm traditional Catholic identity, his critics accused him of turning back the clock on reforms by nearly half a century and hurting dialogue with Muslims, Jews and other Christians. ...

After appearing uncomfortable in the limelight at the start, he began feeling at home with his new job and showed that he intended to be pope in his way.

Despite great reverence for his charismatic, globe-trotting predecessor -- whom he put on the fast track to sainthood and whom he beatified in 2011 -- aides said he was determined not to change his quiet manner to imitate John Paul's style. ...

The first German pope for some 1,000 years and the second non-Italian in a row, he traveled regularly, making about four foreign trips a year, but never managed to draw the oceanic crowds of his predecessor.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/11/16924342-pope-benedict-xvi-to-resign-on-feb-28-vatican-says

[Kryztian]

The next pope is described by St. Malachy's prophecy as follows:


In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.

(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

[Nickolai]

They were speculating about this last year on Fox news.....

qpt8BLLkAWA





The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, describes each of the
Roman Catholic popes, beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and
concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI. The new pope is
described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the
destruction of the city of Rome.





This is the U/tube comment of above vid...

Published on 16 Apr 2012
READ THE FRESH NEWS ARTICLES BELOW ! ! ! URGENT ! ! !

They sure are showing lots of little snips of this 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' guy
for some reason, coincidence? I think not.
LOOK AT 12 and 13 seconds on the Time line, you'll see him walking with the
current Pope.

His name is 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' Pietro = Peter
Born in Romano Canavese, Italy = Roman
Peter the Roman = Petrus Romanus (The Final Pope)


OH MY GOD!

Look at his face, ears and especially his eyes.
I am freightened as a little baby!
If they would tell me that ths man eats man flesh I would no-doubtly agree.
Wow!

If this thing becomes the pope, God help us all even non Christians.

http://www.terraligure.it/blog/tarcisio_bertone.jpg

[The Truth Is In There]

They were speculating about this last year on Fox news.....

qpt8BLLkAWA





The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, describes each of the
Roman Catholic popes, beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and
concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI. The new pope is
described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the
destruction of the city of Rome.





This is the U/tube comment of above vid...

Published on 16 Apr 2012
READ THE FRESH NEWS ARTICLES BELOW ! ! ! URGENT ! ! !

They sure are showing lots of little snips of this 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' guy
for some reason, coincidence? I think not.
LOOK AT 12 and 13 seconds on the Time line, you'll see him walking with the
current Pope.

His name is 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' Pietro = Peter
Born in Romano Canavese, Italy = Roman
Peter the Roman = Petrus Romanus (The Final Pope)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BBC online...


11 February 2013 Last updated at 11:22


LIVE: Pope says he will resign Live

Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected
development, saying he is too old continue at the age of 85.

He became Pope in 2005 following John Paul II's death.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65818000/jpg/_65818408_65817633.jpg

Pope Benedict's announcement has surprised Catholics and the wider world

Resignations from the papacy are not unknown, but this is the first in the modern
era, which has been marked by pontiffs dying while in office.

At 78, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was one of the oldest new popes in
history when elected.

He took the helm as one of the fiercest storms the Catholic Church has faced in
decades - the scandal of child sex abuse by priests - was breaking.

In a statement, he said: "After having repeatedly examined my conscience before
God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are
no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry...

"In today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of
deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and
proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which
in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to
recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

interesting...on 11.2. pope 111 says he'll make way for pope 112. the news is posted at 11:22.

as per remote viewing of the farsight institute and info from several contactees (our bright garlick here for one) tshtf around march/april 2013. the final pope will lead "his sheep" through the great tribulation. the 2nd-to-last pope conveniently steps down right in time for the beginning of the expected earth changes, something that hasn't happened in at least 600 years. how's that for making a prophecy come true? it's playing out just as planned. welcome petrus romanus, and doom on!

[GoodETxSG]

Old Age? I thought they served until they passed away and only "Resigned" to prevent scandal. But I have to say I am NO Catholicism expert by any stretch... Just makes me wonder. Well, this will at least be a nice BIG distraction on LAME Stream Media for the next couple of months. I wonder what BFulford has to say on this... He has reported quite a bit on the Vatican Bank, Crimes etc...

[Prodigal Son]

Gonna be interesting if they elect someone named Peter next. Maybe it'll be Peter Hans Klovenhoof....

I tend to think that "prophecies" are fulfilled when the same cabal that had a hand in writing them also funds them into reality.

This is one more development that would seem to indicate that there is something to this seven-year tribulation thing.... we all need to fasten our seat belts and wrest the steering wheel from these madmen.

[Operator]

http://www.terraligure.it/blog/tarcisio_bertone.jpg

This photo is clearly photoshopped ...

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/2258/cardinaltarcisiobertone.jpg

[The Truth Is In There]

This is the U/tube comment of above vid...

Published on 16 Apr 2012
READ THE FRESH NEWS ARTICLES BELOW ! ! ! URGENT ! ! !

They sure are showing lots of little snips of this 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' guy
for some reason, coincidence? I think not.
LOOK AT 12 and 13 seconds on the Time line, you'll see him walking with the
current Pope.

His name is 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' Pietro = Peter
Born in Romano Canavese, Italy = Roman
Peter the Roman = Petrus Romanus (The Final Pope)


OH MY GOD!

Look at his face, ears and especially his eyes.
I am freightened as a little baby!
If they would tell me that ths man eats man flesh I would no-doubtly agree.
Wow!

If this thing becomes the pope, God help us all even non Christians.

http://www.terraligure.it/blog/tarcisio_bertone.jpg

well if that guy doesn't look like he's got some reptilian hiding (poorly) behind his mask then i don't know who does.

[edit]

you're right operator, photoshopped for sure but somehow he doesn't have a benevolent-shepherd look even in un-photoshopped pics. creepy..

[mgray]

How soon before Ben Fulford says the white dragons or some other Asian-based organization pressured the Pope into resigning?

[Limor Wolf]

We already know there's so much that is hiding under such announcments to the public. The resignation of this Luciferian pope is not a cause for celebration nor a cause for desperation, it is a cause for some critical thinking.. The leader of the Christian world is resigning, on the 11th of this month (a favorit number in the top Elites satanism world) hand in hand with other senior officials such as Foreign minister Clinton, and many others all over the world. I think It is safe to assume that they are prepering for something, whether it's a false flag event on a global scale, a 'natural' event they are aware of, their own Financial crash wich leads to major civil wars etc. every guess is as good as the other

http://cfile229.uf.daum.net/image/14774C274C1A92231E901C

However, It's sure is a New world order style exit

[Cidersomerset]

interesting...on 11.2. pope 111 says he'll make way for pope 112. the news is posted at 11:22.

as per remote viewing of the farsight institute and info from several contactees (our bright garlick here for one) tshtf around march/april 2013. the final pope will lead "his sheep" through the great tribulation. the 2nd-to-last pope conveniently steps down right in time for the beginning of the expected earth changes, something that hasn't happened in at least 600 years. how's that for making a prophecy come true? it's playing out just as planned. welcome petrus romanus, and doom on!

Everything The church and the elites do is full of Symbolism as we know !!


With my Ion info hat on, which runs parrallel to this something is supposed to be
happening relatively soon.Bob will be on overnight UK time, he may have a
relevant comment. Ion has said they are trying to play out the book of
'Revolations' !!

David has not commented on it yet, but heres he is answering a question on the
Church of Rome....

ISyPlErXVI0


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[Chester]

Breaking News - The Pope Announces his Resignation - Where can I apply?

You heard it here first from justoneclown.
You're about third :).

I just merged your thread in with the previously merged threads on this.

Guess you'll have to wait in line for your turn at the Papacy.

Damn! - I had a plan to close the church and sell off all the assets and donate all the proceeds to the poor and downtrodden.

My last Papel Edict was going to be use that 10% against your tax bill which would result in the end of the "world debt" which would then eliminate the need to pay any interest to those lovely international bankers!

And I gotta wait out two more Popes?

Bummer

¤=[Post Update]=¤


His last Twitter feed yesterday:
Pope Benedict's twitter feed has been silent since news broke of his resignation. His last tweet was sent yesterday.

Wonder if hes already dead?

And what we are seeing is a clone that has lost its renewal license? WoW!

[westhill]

Concur with all the posts so far...

These shysters are up to something!!

Something that we as Avalonian really need to keep our eyes open.

With all that is going on in this World.

These shysters are up to something!!

nuff said

TM

I'm interested in the timing. Dates and times are always significant. Statement made on 2/11 (next pope is 112)
and resigns 11/28/2013 at 20.00 hours.

FEAST OF THE BEAST

By Fritz Springmeier


This article is written for general readers who have a general interest in the Illuminati. Unless I’ve written on this topic and forgotten what I wrote, I believe this is the first time an article has been written on this topic. The Illuminati’s secrecy has been so powerful, that I believe this is the first time it has been pierced with this information. I believe this information may assist us in understanding when major secret policy changes may occur. But I ask, what good is this information without the fear of God? I encourage my readers to not just concern themselves with the present or the future, but also for that time when they have to face their Creator. If you haven’t attended to your soul, it would be well worth your time to get right with God, rather than reading this article.

In my investigations into the Illuminati, I was provided information from several ex-Illuminati members about an important ritual called The Feast of the Beast. I’ve made references to this ritual occasionally and this attracted some attention by some of my readers. I’ve been asked to write about this ritual over the years, and always found more pressing things to do. My various sources gave their testimony independent of each other and this led me to conclude that the ceremony did indeed exist. A lot of pressure has come down on me, and I felt that I should go ahead and write this article rather than presume that I shall have the chance later.

In simple terms, the Feast of the Beast is a yearlong event that occurs every 28 years and is attended by Illuminati leadership from around the world. It is a very high level ceremony, and would not be recognized at the anarchy ritual level of the Illuminati.

Ritual is very important to Satan, and to the Illuminati. There are a number of reasons to this. One, it provides an excuse to carry out horrible things without having to feel any guilt. A person can explain away things as “It was time for that.” or “That’s the way things are done.” Or, “we must protect these traditions”.

Permit me to quote some recognized occult books that are accessible to the public. These books will help document some of meaning of the Feast of the Beast. Of course, experienced witches will find these quotes elementary, but I write this article for Christians or the curious who may likely not know these things.

Lewis Spense’s An Encyclopedia of Occultism (originally published in 1920, and republished in 1960) says on p. 263 in its article on Magical Numbers, “In magical rites, numbers played a great part.” We may well ask why?

The council for witch covens in the Portland area recommends the book The Witches Way as a method for the new witch to learn witchcraft from the Book of Shadows. Because the book is sold publicly, it leaves out secret rituals from the Book of Shadows. On p. 151 in the chapter “Myth, ritual and symbolism” the reader is told that symbols appeal to the unconscious and that numbers are used as symbols. In other words, numbers are a way to plant ideas into the subconscious.

The Feast of the Beast is associated with the number 28 (as well as its reverse 82, and as well as the combination 7 times 4). One of the best books on providing the occult world’s meanings of numbers is Aleister Crowley’s books Gematria and Tables of Correspondences. On page 58 of Crowley’s Table of Correspondences under the Orders of Qliphoth, we’re informed that 28 is the number of the Beast, that is Bahimiron which is Bestial. Crowley also teaches that the number 28 is associated with the unicorn, the peacock, the peacock & the rainbow, artificial glass (& chalcedony which suggests clouds), astrology in general, a number of perfumes such as Rhubarb and Stammonia, and a 3 headed beast (heads of a bull, man & ram) riding a dragon. In his book Gematria, about the numerology of mystic numbers, we are told that in the static universe 28 means power (Netzach, also spelled netsach), and in the world the magician makes it means “My victory, my power.”

(By the way, Netsach is used in the Word of God at 1 CHR 29:11 “Thine, O Lord [YHWH], is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory [netsach], and the majesty…” Netsach means a bright object like a star that one travels toward, it is a shining goal, which has been achieved.)

There is no question that Cabalists view 28 as a very powerful number. Further, when we realize that 28 is also a combination of 7 (perfection) and 4 (also considered completeness or perfection), we can appreciate that 28 on a Magical calendar system is powerful. Accordingly, the Illuminati made note in their rituals in 1982, that 82 is the reversal of 28. According to some, the year long Feast of the Beast occurred in 1982, and the previous one occurred in ’53 or ’54. The next one is to occur in 2009 or 2010.

You will note that some very important changes in planning/operation occurred during the 53-54 time period. The first Bilderberg meeting began in 1954. This was the time when all the various factions of world power signed into a pact of cooperation. It was a secret turning point where a genuine One-World power came into being. The Priory of Sion, the secret order behind the Knights Templars, began to disseminate information about itself. The United States shifted from a military where conventional weapons were emphasized to organizing itself around nuclear weapons. The U.S. also pushed atomic energy worldwide with the “Atoms for Peace” program. A number of occultists had previously predicted this worldwide shift towards nuclear energy for both war and peace purposes. (Another energy projection was that money will become units of energy.)

At the Feast of the Beast, a beautiful bride is trained and presented to Satan, and she may well be a virgin. This ceremony is most likely held at a castle or palace, and is also likely to be held over in Europe for the principle ceremony. Lesser ceremonies may be held here in the states. Witnesses claim that Satan appears and interacts with his human leadership. He provides them with detailed instructions for what he wants done until the next Feast of the Beast. In other words, he provides the top Illuminati hierarchy with their future long-range plans. The actual Feast of the Beast is a yearlong ceremony.

However, there is also a small ceremony performed before the autumn equinox approximately around the 5th to the 7th of September, which is a Marriage to the Beast ceremony, that can also be called The Feast of the Beast. It is a microcosm of the large ceremony. Or perhaps one could call it an imitation.

It was also claimed by one informant that the Feast of the Beast in 1982 was the 13th from 1618, and that the Feast of the Beast in 1618 had been a significant event.

The Illuminati have certain people assigned to focus on spiritual power. Some readers may remember that I have explained that the Collins family was brought into the hierarchy because they were so powerful magically. The Rothschild's have the financial power, but the Collins family has been very powerful witches. Women are spiritually very powerful in the Illuminati, and some women in the Illuminati are very important in planning and making the rituals successful. I write this because those Illuminati members who are part of the spiritual section of the Illuminati are going to be better informed than other sections (say the political, scientific or financial sections) on ritual background of the Feast of the Beast. The number 28 is said to come from Babylonian magic, the lunar calendar, and a woman’s menstrual cycle.

Ancient Babylon divided their day into 12 hours (each of their hours is two of ours). And each Babylonian hour was divided into 30 minutes (so their minute was 4 of our minutes. The Lunar month was 30 days. Seeing how all these 12’s and 30’s occur, it is not surprising that they used a base 60 numbering system. That means you counted to 60 before you got to 10. This is called a sexagesimal system or base 60 system. I was told that the number 28 played a role in the Babylonian calendar but what it was is not clear to me. Anyway, it is likely the number 28 has occult connotations that go back to Babylonian magic. The powerful Rothschild's love Babylonian magic, so it is no surprise that witnesses have seen the leadership of this bloodline at the Feast of the Beast ceremonies.

What does all of this mean for common people, or the true God’s royalty? It means that major policy shifts are likely to be seen after about 2010. While the Illuminati have been having some major power struggles, things will get sorted out better during this time period and major programs launched. No matter what happens it will all fail to detour God’s ultimate will. However, the Illuminati have been fairly confident in their own secret meetings where they describe their 20, 10 and 5 year plans. Many of their plans since the last Feast of the Beast have not had full success, but they remain confident of their power.

This has been a look at one of the most important secret Illuminati ceremonies, a ceremony based on Babylonian and Cabalistic Gematria, where important policy is planned, and having as its participants Satan (who appears as a man/shape shifting reptile) and the leadership of the Illuminati.

[Operator]

you're right operator, photoshopped for sure but somehow he doesn't have a benevolent-shepherd look even in un-photoshopped pics. creepy..

Well that was my first thought too ... however there are more pics of him:

http://img.timeinc.net/time/time100/2007/walkup/images/bertone_cardinal_tarcisio.jpg
http://biografieonline.it/img/bio/t/Tarcisio_Bertone.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/141/tarcisio.jpg

I think he looks different in these pictures ... We shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Even when
'sensing' pictures ... don't use a single picture.

According to Wikipedia this guy was born on 2 December 1934. This means this guy will be in his 80's soon too.
So another pope that will not last for many years ... ;)

[markpierre]

20358

Here's Bertone choosing his entree. I wonder what the choices are.

I think he'd make a perfectly lovely antichrist, but I'm not convinced it will be him.

[sdv]

This is a prophetic event. The Pope, like the British queen, does not voluntarily resign. Even if they (popes and British royalty) are blind, deaf, mad, traditionally they get propped up and remain sovereign in name until they die.

Today is a 10 day - the end and the beinning ... the beginning of the end. Maybe that doddery old man does know something about what is about to happen and has timed his exit accordingly.

[Valle]

Some ad hoc info.. Today its the first day of the Chinese lunar year (11/2)

This is the speech on the first day of the Christian year (1/1)

2013-01-01 Vatican Radio
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-on-world-day-of-peace-2013-blessed-are-the-pe

"Peace, Pope Benedict insists, is not a naïve, utopian dream, but rather it reflects the deepest longing of the human heart.
While we must work hard to build a new world order based on truth, freedom, love and justice, as Pope John XXIII wrote in 'Pacem in Terris' half a century ago, we must also recognise that true peace is also a gift from God."

"The message does spell out many practical concerns including a looming food crisis, the need for new models of development and financial practise based on people, not just profits, and the right to work as a fundamental good for individuals, families and societies."

[Maunagarjana]

Red Ice Radio interview with Tom Horn from last year.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/05/RIR-120522.php

Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope
May 22, 2012

Thomas Horn is an internationally recognized lecturer, radio host and bestselling author of several books including his newest books, Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here. He is a well-known columnist who has been interviewed by US Congressmen and Senators on his findings as well as featured repeatedly in major media. Thomas received the highest degree honorary doctorate bestowed in 2007 from legendary professor Dr. I.D.E. Thomas for his research into ancient history. He returns to Red Ice to discuss Petrus Romanus. For more than 800 years scholars have pointed to the dark augury having to do with "the last Pope." The prophecy, taken from St. Malachy's "Prophecy of the Popes," is among a list of verses predicting each of the Roman Catholic popes from Pope Celestine II to the final pope, "Peter the Roman," whose reign would end in the destruction of Rome. St. Malachy's list heralds the beginning of "great apostasy" followed by "great tribulation" sets the stage for the imminent unfolding of apocalyptic events. According to this prophecy, the next Pope will be a false prophet who leads the world's religious communities into embracing a political leader known as Antichrist.

[Cidersomerset]

Davids first responce no doubt he will have more to say..LOL!!



Pope in shock resignation

Monday, 11 February 2013 14:43

Posted by David Icke

Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month after nearly eight years as
the head of the Catholic Church, saying he is too old to continue at the age of 85.

There will be a lot more to know that's for sure - there always is.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/2010-02/evilpope.jpg

Pity, I always liked his eyes - did you, children?

Read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79681-pope-in-shock-resignation

[Kimberley]

The last pope to resign was Gregory XII in 1415. He did so to end a civil war within the church in which more than one man claimed to be pope.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/pope-benedict-resignation/?hpt=hp_t1

[MorningSong]

RE: the candidates for the next Pope, the Italian online news Affari suggests (and I have heard speculation on this person here in Italy for the past few years as the favorite choice) ArchBishop of Milan, Angelo Scola, 71yo.

http://affaritaliani.libero.it/static/upload/ange/0001/angelo-scola.jpg

The article suggests other contenders as Christoph Schonborn, ArchCardinal of Vienna; Angelo Bagnasco, President of the CEI; Gianfranco Ravasi, Cardinal Presidente of the Pontificial Consiglio of Culture; Cardinale Jorge Mario Bergoglio who nearly won the last papacy enclave.

Link to the article in Italian:

http://affaritaliani.libero.it/politica/vaticano-adesso-si-va-al-conclave110213.html?refresh_ce

[Snookie]

he said he felt the weight of being pope,it he leaves papacy for the good of the church,he will leave the 28th of february ,no more info for now

If he's resigning "for the good of the church" I suspect he knows something VERY unsavory is going to be revealed about the church, or even himself personally. Personally my impression of him...he's an evil SOB.

[BlueGem]

I would like Jordan Maxwell's perspective on this, he is very knowledgeable about the Catholic Church.

Numerology aside, this is a strange event. Maybe the pope is going into hiding with the rest of them, before the big 'storm'?

[Deega]

Wow!, that is some news! The Pope is in office till death supposedly! As some members have said, he knows something big will happened.

I have read in Wikipedia that the Malachy predictions were hoax, that Nostrodamus was behind these predictions.

I feel lucky to be alive to witness what will be the next Pope, and how will he address the church future?

[Wind]

I'm sure that Emperor Ratzinger already has his ticket to a private underground bunker. Maybe they know that something big is happening in March or soon after it.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Pope Benedict stepping down, cites poor health
By Philip Pullella | Reuters – 1 hr 55 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-resigns-saying-no-longer-strength-fulfill-ministry-112923467.html

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict shocked the world on Monday by saying he no longer had the mental and physical strength to cope with his ministry, in an announcement that left his aides "incredulous" and will make him the first pontiff to step down since the Middle Ages.

The German-born Pope, 85, hailed as a hero by conservative Roman Catholics and viewed with suspicion by liberals, told cardinals in Latin that his strength had deteriorated recently. He will step down on February 28 and the Vatican expects a new Pope to be chosen by the end of March.
Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the Pope had not decided to resign because of "difficulties in the papacy" and the move had been a surprise, indicating that even his inner circle was unaware that he was about to quit.

The Pope does not fear schism in the Church after his resignation, the spokesman said.
The Pope's leadership of 1.2 billion Catholics has been beset by child sexual abuse crises that tarnished the Church, one address in which he upset Muslims and a scandal over the leaking of his private papers by his personal butler.

The pope told the cardinals that in order to govern "...both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me.

"For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter."

[Marianne]

I've merged Tesla's thread with the existing thread, to keep the discussion in one place. : )

[Snookie]

I would like Jordan Maxwell's perspective on this, he is very knowledgeable about the Catholic Church.

Numerology aside, this is a strange event. Maybe the pope is going into hiding with the rest of them, before the big 'storm'?

No kidding, it was mentioned on the No Agenda show yesterday that someone on Hilary Clinton's staff made a comment that she plans to retreat from public view for a while to work/plan strategy for her next campaign. I'm sure a bunch more will soon be MIA.

Could be the predictions about the global costal event are true.

[Prodigal Son]

I'm sure that Emperor Ratzinger already has his ticket to a private underground bunker. Maybe they know that something big is happening in March or soon after it.

I think he should surrender his spot and give it to someone else who is not about to croak anyway...

[gripreaper]

As they celebrate the 900 year anniversary of the Knights of Malta?

http://i.mol.im/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-1781B2FD000005DC-788_964x343.jpg

Smells like a pile of Papal Bull to me.

[East Sun]

It makes sense that if a Pope is unfit physically or mentally to do the requirements of the position he should step down and that is part of the understanding of the Vatican.
I'm not making any statement about how good or bad a pope he has been. There is so much that we don't know --- yet.

[Operator]

RE: the candidates for the next Pope, the Italian online news Affari suggests (and I have heard speculation on this person here in Italy for the past few years as the favorite choice) ArchBishop of Milan, Angelo Scola, 71yo.
...
The article suggests other contenders as Christoph Schonborn, ArchCardinal of Vienna; Angelo Bagnasco, President of the CEI; Gianfranco Ravasi, Cardinal Presidente of the Pontificial Consiglio of Culture; Cardinale Jorge Mario Bergoglio who nearly won the last papacy enclave.

Link to the article in Italian:

http://affaritaliani.libero.it/politica/vaticano-adesso-si-va-al-conclave110213.html?refresh_ce

So, mostly Italian names ...

I started to check out the first non-Italian ... Christoph Schonborn. Man, what you can find by some simple digging:



Jewish connection to the Holy Land

As part of a visiting Austrian delegation, he spoke to the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and said it was doctrinally important for Christians to recognize Jews' connection to the Holy Land, and that Christians should rejoice in Jews' return to Palestine as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

(Source: Wikipedia)




Mozart, Catholicism and Freemasonry

According to Eric Leitenberger, Schönborn's spokesman, the cardinal's position is that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was a Freemason, but that he was also fully Catholic.

(Source: Wikipedia)



He is also the chaplain of the Order of the Golden Fleece, of which he has been a member since 1961.

(Source: Wikipedia)


Members of this organization are all kings, queens, princes, dukes, barons, archdukes, counts etc. or in other words royal elite.

So this guy is related to royal elite, pro Israeli/Jewish occupation of Palestine and at least consciously outspoken on- and aware of freemasonry.

There's probably a lot more but I have no time right now.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

i must not have seen this thread before posting mine, whoops!
it had only been on yahoo AP for about 1 hour at that point.

sorry!

this is weird news, like the queen dying or a new scottish king, ex

[sigma6]

you're right operator, photoshopped for sure but somehow he doesn't have a benevolent-shepherd look even in un-photoshopped pics. creepy..

Well that was my first thought too ... however there are more pics of him:

http://img.timeinc.net/time/time100/2007/walkup/images/bertone_cardinal_tarcisio.jpg
http://biografieonline.it/img/bio/t/Tarcisio_Bertone.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/141/tarcisio.jpg

I think he looks different in these pictures ... We shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Even when
'sensing' pictures ... don't use a single picture.

According to Wikipedia this guy was born on 2 December 1934. This means this guy will be in his 80's soon too.
So another pope that will not last for many years ... ;)

If this guy is close to 80 then he has been drinking a lot of blood sacrifices, which we now have MSM science admitting sustains youth, cause I don't see him as having the foresight or knowledge of knowing to drink the more morally acceptable and bacteriologically sterile urine of his own youth...

[Conchis]

Rumors surrounding the release of the Papal documents by the butler, I think were supposedly in an effort to expose Tarcisio Bertone (the guy in those photo-shopped and unphoto-shopped pics). I wonder what the exposure of the documents have to do with this, or anything?

[Earth Angel]

Meet Cardinal Peter Turkson - the Potential First Black Pope

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles/25679/cardinal-peter-turkson-5-facts-about-the-potential-first-black-pope
Gonna be interesting if they elect someone named Peter next. Maybe it'll be Peter Hans Klovenhoof....

I tend to think that "prophecies" are fulfilled when the same cabal that had a hand in writing them also funds them into reality.

This is one more development that would seem to indicate that there is something to this seven-year tribulation thing.... we all need to fasten our seat belts and wrest the steering wheel from these madmen.

[Dorjezigzag]

EDIT! - I looked in General and did not see a Pope thread - so apologies as I was beaten to the punch.

I did dream that "insectoid type" beings at least 20 feet tall with extremely long tentacles that could stab you in a heart beat were trying to keep me pinned into a corner... As it was just a dream, I simply considered the dilemma and attempted to communicate with them telepathically as to why they were not trying to kill me. It was weird.

You heard it here "third" from justoneclown.

I always wanted to hang out in Italy... where do I go for a job interview anyone?

I would be called - Pope Ropa Dope II (Mohamed Ali was Pope Ropa Dope I)


EDIT: I just learned I had to be a Cardinal first... damn - Ravens don't count?


WoW! Just learned he is resigning on my son's birthday... my son who is in jail... my son who is to go before the judge to learn his fate as well on his birthday.

Will it turn out true that good things happen in threes?

I am glad the Pope decided to go smell the roses.

Your dream and its discussion in this thread about a retired pope made me think of this Escher image

http://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/escher_the_dream_full.jpg?w=490

[Camilo]

Pope Benedict Steps Down Fulfilling The Malachy Prophecy, Will Armageddon Follow As Predicted?

St. Malachy had written about the 112th pope:
"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

St. Malachy prophesized that the final pope would be "Peter the Roman", which is interesting because no pope to date has chosen the name of Peter out of respect for Peter the Apostle. There has also been speculation that the final pope would be black. Even more curiously, there is a black cardinal in Ghana, Peter Turkson, who is believed to be a frontrunner and whose name has come up in previous discussions of papal appointment.

Malachy's prophecies are taken very seriously as they've been uncannily accurate to date. Will the Catholic Church get its first black pope? Will "Peter the Roman" lead us into the End Times? These questions are set to be answered by Easter, which comes this year at the end of March, when the papal conclave announces their decision.

http://youtu.be/l9uaHTPsP9s

[Joe Akulis]

Seems to be some confusion between the prophecy saying he will lead his flock through the tribulation, which sounds like a good thing to me, and him either being or convincing us to follow the soon-to-rise antichrist...

[Paa]

-I've removed this post-

[gripreaper]

Does this mean, we need to break out our "sack cloth", put it on, and appear as wretched as possible, and do ritualistic sacrifice and penance, slithering upon the ground in supplication to the god's of Moloch, for mercy and repentance?

Just wondering.

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[Dennis Leahy]

His last Twitter feed yesterday:
Pope Benedict's twitter feed has been silent since news broke of his resignation. His last tweet was sent yesterday.

Wonder if hes already dead?
He's in the sub-basement of the Vatican, getting a transfusion: 6 parts human infant's blood, 6 parts goat's blood, 6 parts Komodo Dragon's blood.

He'll be just fine.

Dennis

[SilentFeathers]

Does this mean, we need to break out our "sack cloth", put it on, and appear as wretched as possible, and do ritualistic sacrifice and penance, slithering upon the ground in supplication to the god's of Moloch, for mercy and repentance?

Just wondering.

Sheesh Grip, I didn't think this news would of hit you so hard and had such a severe effect on you!

Benedict probably got the news that the alien disclosure deception was about to be rolled out and wants to get the "hell" out of office before it does.

I thought professor Plum did it in the Library, but I guess it was the Butler that did it in the Study......

[gripreaper]

I thought professor Plum did it in the Library, but I guess it was the Butler that did it in the Study......

Nope, it was the maid, who did it in the basement, with the candlestick!

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[Camilo]

The Last Pope? A Look at the St. Malachy Prophecy (REV)

http://youtu.be/c8kCYk1LgSA (9 min. video)

St Malachy was the Archbishop of Armagh, to whom were attributed several miracles and a vision of the identity of the last 112 Popes. He was canonized by Pope Clement III as a Roman Catholic "saint", on July 6, 1199, the first Irish saint to be canonized.
Biblically speaking, the papacy has no authority to "make" or canonize anyone to be a saint. There is no papal stamp of authority from Almighty God.

The Biblical term for "saint" is anyone, alive or dead, that accepts Lord Jesus as Messiah and obeys the Gospel, regardless what Webster's or any other dictionary might define the term. It's a term such as "Christian", and we don't pray to or through dead people. We have one Mediator, Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)

So if you meet the characteristics mentioned, you are a saint of the Most High God.

(keywords: malachy malachi pope rome papacy benedict st saint revelation destruction roman catholic church bibleortraditions )

[Nickolai]

Excuse me but I have a question to the 'bunker'-opinioned.
Can you please tell me what is it so special about the current papa that he owns the 'ticket to bunker' while the new papa should supposedly suffer with the rest of us.
Makes no sense to me!

[ViralSpiral]

Makes no sense to me!


Agreed. Many an assumption can be made. Mine is echoed in these words by Cardinal Martini (*hic* ooops, sorry ;) ), shortly before his death last year:

“Our culture has aged, our churches are big and empty and the church bureaucracy rises up; our rituals and our cassocks are pompous,” Cardinal Martini said in his interview, published in Corriere della Sera.

[Cidersomerset]

A good report from RT ....A little speculation to the fact he may not be
up to deffending the current allegations of pedophile priests,Vatican
Bank corruption and anti women priests etc...


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[ViralSpiral]

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But he'll still be available to all at the giftshop as "Pope on a Rope, for every boys locker room".

[meeradas]

Dr. Joseph P. Farrell:

"Interestingly enough, there is only one motto left, the “final Pope,” who is called by Malachy Petrus Romanus who is supposed to feed his sheep amongst great tribulation. The apocalyptic overtones are obvious.

So why am I bothering you with a mediaeval Irish bishop’s prophecy? Well, for one thing, Benedict’s resignation, I strongly suspect, did not come about on its own, so to speak. In the Byzantine backstabbing ways of ecclesiastical politics, I strongly suspect, though I have no evidence, that Benedict was pressured – blackmailed – into resignation for his part in the “affair of the affairs” so to speak. That’s one possibility…

The other possibility, lurking in the background, is it’s easy to “fulfill” prophecy when (1) you create the prophecy and (2) control the interpretation of it, and (3) are on a timetable for the “clash of civilizations.” If that’s on the apocalypse menu, then having “Petrus Romanus” around might help set the stage a bit.

And that, really, is the final point: it’s theater…. for the moment. But if the new pope chooses the name Peter, then it might be time to start worrying just a little….

See you on the flip side."

Full article: http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/02/flash-some-thoughts-concering-the-resignation-of-ratzinger

[Conchis]

And wouldn't you like to know what the third prophecy of Fatima was about? I'm not sure that we know the details of that yet, but I'm sure that Pope Benedict does.

[Operator]

My feeling is that it won't be an European or 'traditional' pope ...

bookmaker William Hill has 2 non-European favorites: Marc Ouellet (Canada) and Francis Arinze (Nigeria)

[Hip Hipnotist]

Pope?

I misread the thread title.

I thought this thread was about Popeye.

http://i47.tinypic.com/m7p1k.jpg

Of which I had good things to say.

Never mind. ;-)

[MBerger47]

How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.


Check out http://www.newmessage.org/nm/the-age-of-women/

[meeradas]

...and how about no pope at all?

Looking fwd to that.

[Camilo]

This is David Icke's take on the issue at hand....

David Icke
Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month after nearly eight years as the head of the Catholic Church, saying he is too old to continue at the age of 85.

There will be a lot more to know that's for sure - there always is.

Pity, I always liked his eyes - did you, children?

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79681-pope-in-shock-resignation
Pope in shock resignation
www.davidicke.com
David Icke - Exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real

[Operator]

How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.


Check out http://www.newmessage.org/nm/the-age-of-women/

Well, if they stick to the old paradigm that only males can be priests then how could a woman become pope?

For them it will be revolutionary enough to have a 'black' (=dark skinned) pope. And Francis Arinze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Arinze) (Nigeria) seems
to be on the popular (pun intended) list. Not to be confused with the Superior General of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)
also nicknamed the black pope, currently Adolfo Nicolás (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Nicol%C3%A1s).

Maybe they consider it the right time for all the confusion. A colored American president (from Africa) and a colored Pope (also from Africa)
while in the meantime behind the curtains the real power is in the hands of a white man from Spain.

[Hip Hipnotist]

How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.


Check out http://www.newmessage.org/nm/the-age-of-women/

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Wouldn't 'she' have to be a lesbian pedophile shapeshifter to be considered worthy of the 'post'?

I can only think of one prospect, Hillary Clinton, but she's already served her time.

BTW: I have nothing against lesbians. It's the pedophiles and shapeshifters I'm concerned with. ;-)

[Cidersomerset]

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The Guest said the Popes legacy has been marred by
Child abuse claims that he has been personally invovled
in covering up.

[Selene]

What catches my attention here is the unexpected nature of the announcement. The Vatican Curia, after all, is the most conservative, cautious bureaucracy on the planet; they don’t *do* surprises. And Benedict is the consummate bureaucrat.

Popes are expected to die in office, even more so than royalty. A pope would have to be quite literally comatose for years and years before there could be any public discussion of electing his replacement. A pope with Alzheimer’s would be politely propped up, perhaps no longer signing decrees. They’d pray for recovery instead, I’m sure, rather than break precedent by removal of either from office. Benedict’s predecessor suffered terrible physical health for decades but continued bravely in spite of his pain.

No; ‘health reasons’ doesn’t wash.

And the prospect of retirement itself is so unprecedented that if Benedict were to have contemplated this measure, he surely would have discussed it openly with his advisors, sought recommendations from scholars, put together a commission to study the issue, etc. etc. They would also have studied the question of term of office, perhaps of having a scheduled election every decade so a standing pope could then choose not to run again. They would have debated the issue in such a manner that Benedict’s eventual retirement would come a no surprise to anyone and with the blessing of all, much in the manner of The Netherland’s Queen Beatrix, who openly discussed her eventual retirement with her advisors for decades and was certain that public opinion would support the change. Benedict is setting precedent here; he would have acted prudently.

No; ‘modern thinking about retirement’ doesn’t make the grade either. Benedict is no modernist.

But he is a prudent man, with the huge legacy of the Church to protect. And if the hounds of the Law are nipping at his heels, prudent behavior would dictate resigning office rather than becoming the first pope in history to be charged with a criminal offense (aiding pedophiles by concealment.)

And there is much to suggest that perhaps ‘what the butler saw’ was convincing evidence of his concealment that would eventually have led to an indictment or worse. No pope could be publically dragged from his throne and into jail. That wouldn’t do at all.

But perhaps criminal investigators were willing to be “reasonable” about limiting further scandal and took, in effect, a plea bargain. If Ratzinger would eventually be subject to charges for his complicity, at least it won’t have to be as pope but only as (wait for it) “a humble penitent priest.” Formal charges may take years, but they are surely inevitable.

Perhaps, instead, he will even have a quiet [arranged?] death in obscurity, a mere footnote to history….

Interesting to speculate.

Cheers,

Selene

[Kiforall]

The seagull attacking the peace dove was a sign after all.

The seagulls obviously know more about this than they are willing to discuss at the moment.

[Cidersomerset]

Channel 4 report .....Sounds like he's jumping before he gets bumped off
the usual end to a Pope with to much scandel on his watch.


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Published on 11 Feb 2013


The last time a Pope stepped down, Henry V was about to fight the Battle of Agincourt.
So why this Pope? And why now? Benedict says he is simply too old to go on. At the age
of 85 he no longer has the strength to fulfill the duties of office. .


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[gripreaper]

The seagull attacking the peace dove was a sign after all.

The seagulls obviously know more about this than they are willing to discuss at the moment.

Poor dove, did not get any peace at all!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GpKjFVN39U

[SilentFeathers]

How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.

Who would you suggest, Hillary???? She can do about anything, even fight wars (from a distance), but she is like the most "likable woman in the US" some say.....

Yeap, she'd make a good Pope! she's already proven she can handle a good scandal too!

[Cidersomerset]

Scandal in the Catholic Church Focused in the US , but all over the world.

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Published on 3 Feb 2013


Reputation of the German Catholic Church have resulted in more and more
worshippers turning their backs on it. Child abuse, sexual harassment cases
committed by priests that don't even get to court are seen as the main reason for
dramatically shrinking congregations. You may find some of the details in Peter
Oliver's report disturbing.

[gripreaper]

How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.

Who would you suggest, Hillary???? She can do about anything, even fight wars (from a distance), but she is like the most "likable woman in the US" some say.....

Yeap, she'd make a good Pope! she's already proven she can handle a good scandal too!

Come on man, her resume isn't strong enough. You have to be able to slaughter thousands of innocent people, burn them at the stake, impale them in the public square, let their flesh rot, and then feed this rotten flesh to the children, kill innocent babies and drink their blood, sexually abuse young children and put adolescent girls and boys into sexual slavery, steal all of the assets of the planet and covet them for yourselves, put everyone into debt slavery through banking, call up evil Archonic astral beings from the astral planes and do their bidding, and vampire the energy of all sentient beings on the planet, offer up this energy to the astral beings, and keep the rest of it for yourself, shapeshift into a reptilian being and back again, and have sex with your closest of kin and keep the bloodlines pure.

Besides, in order to fulfill their playbook, um, I mean prophesy of Revelations, you need to have a black pope to usher in the tribulation and cause the total breakdown and annihilation of the species, so that the ultimate human sacrifice can go forward to the gods of Moloch and his cohorts.

Do you think Hilary is up to the task? How about Obama? He could be the antichrist savior.

[SilentFeathers]

How about a WOMAN for the next Pope! It would be about time. In fact, it is The Age of Women. Women do just about everything valuable in the world today, include fight in wars, and a woman Pope would bring a balance and compassion to the Catholic church that it has never really seen before.

Who would you suggest, Hillary???? She can do about anything, even fight wars (from a distance), but she is like the most "likable woman in the US" some say.....

Yeap, she'd make a good Pope! she's already proven she can handle a good scandal too!

Come on man, her resume isn't strong enough. You have to be able to slaughter thousands of innocent people, burn them at the stake, impale them in the public square, let their flesh rot, and then feed this rotten flesh to the children, kill innocent babies and drink their blood, sexually abuse young children and put adolescent girls and boys into sexual slavery, steal all of the assets of the planet and covet them for yourselves, put everyone into debt slavery through banking, call up evil Archonic astral beings from the astral planes and do their bidding, and vampire the energy of all sentient beings on the planet, offer up this energy to the astral beings, and keep the rest of it for yourself, shapeshift into a reptilian being and back again, and have sex with your closest of kin and keep the bloodlines pure.

Besides, in order to fulfill their playbook, um, I mean prophesy of Revelations, you need to have a black pope to usher in the tribulation and cause the total breakdown and annihilation of the species, so that the ultimate human sacrifice can go forward to the gods of Moloch and his cohorts.

Do you think Hilary is up to the task? How about Obama? He could be the antichrist savior.

You probably just described her profile in her "classified" file....

[Cidersomerset]

Pope Joan Fact or legend ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan

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Uploaded on 29 Aug 2011


The UNFORGIVEN REVELATIONS that hidden by centuries in the Annals of the Vatican capital of ROME.
The FIRST and the Last of its Kind POPE JOAN a female Pope who rises from the many adversaries and
tribulations has enthroned herself in the Most Modern City of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE the VATICAN. The
Religion found and reinforced by Roman Empire will never ever allow a Woman to lead an Empire from
Julius Caesar the Title worthy to be called Emperor. But the TRUTH was erased in the journals and
declared it non existence . Her achievements as the First Female Pope was widely eradicated by
Male Dominated congregation of the VATICAN and to spoke of her existence was a Heresy but the
PAST has finally resurface to REVEAL yet another alteration of Ones of HISTORY'S MOST REVERED
CONTROVERSY. By: Sir Lord Noel M.

[apokalypse]

VATICAN CITY (AFP) - Pope Benedict XVI announced on Monday he will resign this month because of his advancing age in a fast-changing world, becoming the first pontiff in 700 years to step down of his own free will.

The 85-year-old said he will step down on February 28 after just eight years in office, making his one of the shortest pontificates in modern history and stunning the world's 1.1 billion Catholics.

The German-born leader made the announcement in a speech in Latin at a meeting with cardinals in his residence in the Apostolic Palace, with his frail voice barely audible as he read a pre-written text.

"I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry," he said.

As tributes poured in from across the world, the Vatican emphasised the former Joseph Ratzinger was not leaving due to any illness, despite speculation over his frail appearance in recent months.

Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said he expected a conclave of cardinals to be held in March within 15 or 20 days of the resignation and a new pope elected before Easter Sunday on March 31.

"The pope caught us a bit by surprise," Lombardi said at a hastily-arranged press conference.

Cardinal Angelo Sodano, who was at the historic meeting with the pope, described the announcement as "a bolt of lightning in a clear blue sky".

Benedict's brother Georg Ratzinger told AFP he had known "for a few months" that he was planning to resign and was "feeling the burden of his age."

Some faithful said they hoped the move would signal a major change for the Church after a conservative pontificate that has been marred by scandals including most notably clerical child abuse.

Vatican observers have already begun speculating over who could succeed Benedict, with online betters tipping an African pope as the most likely.

But some say the number of voting-age cardinals from Europe and North America -- 76 out of 118 -- could sway the choice to a Western state.

In the period between the resignation and the election of a new pope, the Catholic Church will be governed by Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone.

The closed-door conclave of cardinals is held in the Sistine Chapel and its decision is famously announced with a puff of black or white smoke to indicate whether a nominee has been selected or not.

The new pope is then announced immediately afterwards with the cry "Habemus Papam" and appears before the crowds of faithful in St Peter's Square.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel led tributes from political and religious leaders across the globe, hailing Benedict as "one of the most significant religious thinkers of our time".

US President Barack Obama offered "our appreciation and prayers" on behalf of all Americans.

Justin Welby, spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans, said he had held his office with "great dignity, insight and courage".

The Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel said Benedict XVI had improved ties between the two religions and which helped reduce anti-Semitism around the world.

Shocked believers flocked to St Peter's Square to express their dismay at what will be only the second formal resignation in the Catholic Church's 2,000-year history after Celestine V in 1294.

"I love Benedict. We're really shocked he's resigning because he wasn't pope for long enough. He hasn't finished his plan," said Sebastian Mazur, a 21-year-old trainee priest from Poland.

In the pope's birthplace of Marktl am Inn in southern Germany, 60-year-old local resident Karin Frauendorfer broke down in tears and said the resignation was "a bad thing in itself, but justified given his poor state of health".

Gian Maria Vian, editor of the Vatican's official daily, L'Osservatore Romano, said the pope took his decision after a particularly wearying trip to Mexico and Cuba last year and only after "a repeated examination of his conscience".

Benedict, who succeeded the late pope John Paul II in 2005 and is known as a diehard traditionalist and a lightning rod for controversy, will retire to a monastery within the Vatican walls.

He said his "strength of mind and body... has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me."

He said he would be stepping down at 8:00 pm (1900 GMT) on February 28, adding that he was "well aware of the seriousness of this act".

Benedict, who has often had to use a mobile platform to move around St Peter's basilica during Church services, had hinted in a book of interviews in 2010 that he might resign if he felt he was no longer able to carry out his duties.

The pope suffers from arthritis, had a stroke while he was still cardinal and broke a wrist when he slipped in the bath in 2009.

He was the Catholic Church's doctrinal enforcer for many years and earned the nickname "God's Rottweiler". He is an academic theologian who has written numerous books including a trilogy on the life of Jesus Christ that he has just completed.

The guiding principle of Benedict's papacy has been to reinvigorate the Catholic faith, particularly among young people and in parts of the world with rising levels of secularism like Europe and North America.

He has shown a degree of openness on some moral issues -- becoming the first pope ever to speak about the possibility of using contraception to avoid the spread of the AIDS virus -- but is better known for his opposition to abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage as well as the abuse scandals that tainted the Church in the eyes of many.

The US Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, which has been highly critical of Benedict's handling of the paedophilia scandal, called on the Church to "select a pontiff who puts child safety and victim healing first."

The scandal over confidential memos leaked from the Vatican by Benedict's once loyal butler last year was another particularly hard blow for the pope.

Sandro Magister, a Vatican expert at L'Espresso weekly, said the resignation could set a precedent.

"He must have evaluated the effects of the resignation on future pontificates, which will definitely not be for life but will become fixed-term," Magister said.

Vatican expert Marco Politi, author of a best-selling biography of Benedict, said: "This gesture was very courageous and revolutionary.
"This is the first time that in a period of peace for the Church, a pope decides to step down of his own free will," he said.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/16115669/pope-to-resign-in-historic-move/

regarding the Prophecy of the Popes, is he the last pope?

[Mandala]

Maybe they all know what's coming and are all heading for the hills or underground. I wouldn't doubt that the Vatican had a gold lined Deep underground base. Give the Papal job to the new guy. He doesn't know all that's planned. Maybe all hell's going to break loose with all kind of secrets spilling out to the public.

All kinds of weirdness lately.

[SilentFeathers]

What are the odds huh??????

Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-First-Pontiff-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg

[ghostrider]

No , there is one more, after benedict, the next pope will be the last and the catholic church will end in bloodshed ... from the henoch prophecies, petrus romanus , will be the last pope ... when a pope will no longer reside in Rome, punishment by evil powers will be unleashed on Europe and the churches and monisteries will end up in ruin and ashes ... The pope no longer residing in Rome is the trigger for the henoch prophecies to begin to be fullfilled ...monstruous forces created by science will be released by the military causing great destruction, were talkin book of revelation stuff , one third of humans killed, 888 days of hell on earth ...

[Mozart]

No, the next Pope would be known as the Big Butt-Fvck. Yea, that one.


We had a Rat for a Pope, then a Bene-Dick, now Butt-Fvck is next, yes?


I hate Popes -- they are part of the Illoonynaughties who have long terrorized our world and given us false hope -- the sooner that we rid ourselves of this BS office of the Pope, the better...

[ghostrider]

What are the odds huh??????

Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-First-Pontiff-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg

and I beheld satan as lighting fall from heaven ...

[Hervé]

Kevin Annett's view point on that thing (http://www.henrymakow.com/):



Money Scandal Behind Papal Coup d'Etat

February 11, 2013

Left, The Ex Pope and the New Pope? Joseph Ratzinger (l) and the palace coup-master, Cardinal Bertone

To understand the Pope's resignation, Kevin Annett says, "Follow the money."

"What sounded the death knell on Pope Benedict was his personal implication in the bribery and money-laundering practices of the Vatican Bank."


by Kevin Annett
(henrymakow.,com)

Theories are abounding now that the first pope in seven centuries is resigning his office. But as always, the most direct way to the truth behind the world's oldest corporation is simply to follow the money: and specifically, Vatican Bank money.

First of all, let's put to rest, the fallacy that "looming scandals" about child rape and coverup are behind Joseph Ratzinger's resignation. That's just the cover story.

Nobody in the church hierarchy is losing sleep over their standing, canon-law endorsed policy of concealing and protecting child rapists in their ranks. Even the International Criminal Court application about such crimes has been stymied by catholic-run legislators and jurists.

What sounded the death knell on Pope Benedict was his personal implication in the bribery and money-laundering practices of the Vatican Bank, comically known as The Institute of Religious Works (IOR); and how that dirty connection gave the anti-Ratzinger faction in the College of Cardinals the lever they needed to dump the obstinate German from the papal throne.

We had a whiff of that dump-Rat Boy agenda last year, when "Vatileaks" broke a ludicrous story of how Ratzinger's loyal butler Paolo Gabriele disclosed the pope's dirty secrets to the Italian media. In fact, the damning documents detailing Ratzinger's secret rewarding of Vatican contracts to his friends and family members originated in the Vatican Secretary of State's office, which the fall-guy butler could not have had access to.

The Secretary of State and the real power behind the papacy is Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, an old insider who also engineered the sacking of Gotti Tedeschi, head of the Vatican Bank, last May.

Tedeschi had taken seriously the call of the European Parliament for "greater transparency" by the Vatican Bank /IOR, and was about to disclose to Brussels how his bosses had been laundering money for the mob for decades. The last Pope who had tried such a disclosure, John Paul 1, died from poisoning in September, 1978 after less than a month in office.

But even with Tedeschi silenced, the IOR house of cards kept tumbling, as the European Parliament seized from it 300 million Euros fraudulently acquired. Even the American Securities and Exchange Commission declared the IOR's assets and practices "insecure". A major Vatican housecleaning was required; or at least, the appearance of one.

It was the pivotal Cardinal Bertone who leaked the pope's diary and other incriminating papers to a catholic-friendly journalist in Rome last year the same month that Tedeschi was sacked, to prepare the world for Ratzinger's removal. For it is Bertone who is now reaping the benefits of the papal housecleaning. He is not only a primary contender for the pope's position but a key player in the IOR.

During my second speaking tour in Rome, in the spring of 2010, I met with several senior Italian senators and officials of the parliamentary Radical Party. They all said the same thing about why Joseph Ratzinger had been made pope, and what awaited him. To quote one of those politicians,

"Nobody becomes pope without a sordid past, because only with such liabilities can he be controlled by the Curia. It's the same in any big company. Well, Ratzinger made many indiscretions as a Cardinal and made many enemies. His signing letters ordering criminal concealment was just one sin. He was to be the scapegoat for all of the trash that the church knew would surface"

So now, the papal scapegoat is gone, pensioned off to wherever ex-popes end up; and the time for the big face-saving lie has arrived.

The idea of applying cosmetic surgery to a decaying facade like the Church of Rome reminds me of Shirley Maclaine trying to look forty at the age of ninety. And yet appearances are everything in show business as well as in religion.

Tarcisio Bertone is about as institutional as you can get, and represents the old Italian crowd of the Curia, who are part of the Mob-government-papal clique that run the country and the Roman Catholic church. In the words of one of the Roman Senators I spoke with,

"You must understand that in my country, the Mafia and the government and the Vatican are all the same people, and they really have only one concern: protecting their assets."

Bertone, or whoever from the ranks of his victorious faction does assume the papal tiria, cannot be expected to do much but maintain the assets and security of the church, and that means continuing the policies of silence and dissimulation that keeps the cash flowing. But their position is more difficult now in the wake of the enormous rifts developing within the wider church, where Cardinals are facing criminal prosecution for shielding child rapists, and talk of disaffiliating from Rome is widespread among Irish, American and German Bishops.

"We have all the grounds for a second Reformation now. That's how serious is the crisis. The church will either rid itself of itself or face collapse" said an Italian media commentator recently.

It was easy to despise Joseph Ratzinger: the Hitler Youth raised, reactionary bigot who sacked liberal and independent thinkers in his church as the Cardinal-head of the Vatican Inquisition, and who told American Bishops that purgatory awaited any of them who did not cover up priestly child rape. Even among fellow Cardinals, he was known as "Joe the Rat".

But Ratzinger was a made to order object of hatred, and put there to play out the oldest game in politics: the venting of popular rage on a disposable figurehead so that the institution itself could proceed unscathed.

I doubt that it's totally coincidental that Ratzinger was forced out of office so quickly barely ten days after our Common Law court published online hard evidence of the Pope's involvement in crimes against humanity. Any new Pope will face the same charges, of colluding in a massive criminal conspiracy.

But the real issue is not who or what will replace Joseph Ratzinger as the latest figurehead, but how to displace the Vatican itself as a criminal power unto itself. And that struggle is just commencing.

[sigma6]

Davids first responce no doubt he will have more to say..LOL!!

Pope in shock resignation
Monday, 11 February 2013 14:43
Posted by David Icke
Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month after nearly eight years as
the head of the Catholic Church, saying he is too old to continue at the age of 85.
There will be a lot more to know that's for sure - there always is.
http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/2010-02/evilpope.jpg
Pity, I always liked his eyes - did you, children?
Read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79681-pope-in-shock-resignation

I know it's not fair to do too much "face reading" without proper context but that is bloody scary just to look at...

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.exovaticana.com/ExoVaticanaFull.jpg

More info here (http://www.exovaticana.com/)

[Marianne]

I merged apokalypse's thread Pope Benedict XVI resigns!! so we can keep the discussion in one place. : )

[Operator]

No, popes are outdated now ...

Enter the new age of iPope :cool:

[apokalypse]

http://now.msn.com/pope-benedict-resignation-spurs-conspiracy-theories
"Several hours have passed since Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation, which means it's time for conspiracy theories to start circulating" ..hmmm, they want us to believe what ever in front of us. if there's no many manipulate or lies and there will be no so called Conspiracy.

[merkabagirll]

http://weather.aol.com/2013/02/11/photo-lightning-strikes-the-vatican/

[Taurean]

Resignation stated April 8 2012


Published on 13 Apr 2012
READ INFO FOR TRANSLATION:
At 1:00 on the time line, you can see a major candidate for the Pope's position when the current Pope resigns, which is reported to be VERY soon.

His name is 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone'



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Published on 13 Apr 2012
READ INFO FOR TRANSLATION:
At 1:00 on the time line, you can see a major candidate for the Pope's position when the current Pope resigns, which is reported to be VERY soon.

His name is 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone'




Pietro = Peter
Born in Romano Canavese, Italy = Roman
Peter the Roman

At 3:40 on the time line, you hear the Quirerboy sing (Yes I called him a quirerboy because they.... never mind)

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, Lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,
qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit,
et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum.

Which translates:

Flaming Lucifer finds Mankind,
I say: Oh Lucifer who will never be defeated,
Christ is your son
who came back from hell, shed his peaceful light and is alive and reigns in the world without end.

Interesting and shocking as this is. There is reports that the Vatican has a Telescope in Arizona called "Lucifer", coincidence?? I think not.

http://asacredmemory.com/blog/?p=220
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_cqea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GCEl1...
(At 5:35 of Part 2 of the Documentary they call the Telescope Lucifer)

http://www.scribd.com/halojumper63/d/...
Quote from this Article: "And yes," according to Popular Science, "it's named for the Devil, whose name itself means "morning star."

Isaiah 5:20-21
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Revelation 17:1-5
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, "Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Petrus Romanus is ready to take the religious seat of the New World Order, and he (The False Prophet) will usher in the Antichrist. World War 3 is upon us. All the nations have their fingers on the Trigger. YOU KNOW THIS. BE READY ! ! !

[apokalypse]

what's with this negativity prophecy? if he indeed is the guy Peter the Roman and prophet came true then the real issue is us not them, because we as human on planet earth gave our power away. They(TPTB-Controllers..call it who ever you want) do their thing to control humanity and us as 99% not doing our thing but to follow.

i'm tired of predictions and prophets... the whole bloody bible is manipulated and rewritten.

[Referee]

Chech this out pretty funny if you ask me! The Pope resigns a a few hours later Lightning Strikes the Vatican!

CH_f6HfJO7s

[meeradas]

Ok - If they HAVE to have another pope [and, a last one, too],
nobody than this guy here would be a better fit for the job [imo]:

Inauguration with this soundtrack: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44989-Odd-music-thread-unclassifiable-strange-beautiful-music-goes-here&p=634553&viewfull=1#post634553

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/48079_503512133028871_727272014_n.jpg

[syrwong]

All the great prophecies of the past and natural and artificial signs of the present point to big changes happening soon. They are quite coherent and what is going to happen is almost anticipated. We are given more than enough warnings.

The Pope’s stepping down is less than two months after 12.12.21. Isn’t it evident now that both the Mayan 2012 and St. Malachy’s prophecies are correct?

Very few prophecies tell you the time, but these two are very good time markers: the Mayan’s is on a macro scale while the Malachy 112 prophecy is on a micro scale.

[Jean-Luc]

Here is Dr. Joseph P. Farrell 's take on this story :







Interestingly enough, there is only one motto left, the “final Pope,” who is called by Malachy Petrus Romanus who is supposed to feed his sheep amongst great tribulation. The apocalyptic overtones are obvious.

So why am I bothering you with a mediaeval Irish bishop’s prophecy? Well, for one thing, Benedict’s resignation, I strongly suspect, did not come about on its own, so to speak. In the Byzantine backstabbing ways of ecclesiastical politics, I strongly suspect, though I have no evidence, that Benedict was pressured – blackmailed – into resignation for his part in the “affair of the affairs” so to speak. That’s one possibility…

The other possibility, lurking in the background, is it’s easy to “fulfill” prophecy when (1) you create the prophecy and (2) control the interpretation of it, and (3) are on a timetable for the “clash of civilizations.” If that’s on the apocalypse menu, then having “Petrus Romanus” around might help set the stage a bit.

And that, really, is the final point: it’s theater…. for the moment. But if the new pope chooses the name Peter, then it might be time to start worrying just a little….

See you on the flip side.

http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/02/flash-some-thoughts-concering-the-resignation-of-ratzinger/



Joseph P. Farrell was interviewed by Bill & Kerry in 2009.
http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/joseph_farrell_interview_transcript_en.html

[778 neighbour of some guy]

What are the odds huh??????

Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-First-Pontiff-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg

Sigh, I told them a zillion times, dont piss off Nicola, but did they listen, nooopeeeee.

No doubt that lightning strike image will be sold to the believers as a sign from ............?

I say its Strangels playing the Haarp, if it isnt photoshop, any livecams on the Vatican?

[Referee]

ONE MORE>>>>>>>>>>>>

tjoWi6S-PMU

[Rich]

Davids first responce no doubt he will have more to say..LOL!!

Pope in shock resignation
Monday, 11 February 2013 14:43
Posted by David Icke
Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month after nearly eight years as
the head of the Catholic Church, saying he is too old to continue at the age of 85.
There will be a lot more to know that's for sure - there always is.
http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/2010-02/evilpope.jpg
Pity, I always liked his eyes - did you, children?
Read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79681-pope-in-shock-resignation

I know it's not fair to do too much "face reading" without proper context but that is bloody scary just to look at...


I think it might be possible to see if someone is evil in someones face, thoughts of hate can change a persons demeanor over time, just like the tests done on water our attitudes also influence our cells and all matter around us. So if looks say anything he must be very evil.

[witchy1]

I thought that lightening was coming FROM the building - not the other way round.

Just WHO does the pope "resign" to?

I say watch the Black Pope - dont they change at the same time?

I thought this was a teeny bit funny - I may have overstepped the language barrier tho....sorry

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/11412_506043212767783_1742140275_n.jpg

[778 neighbour of some guy]

What are the odds huh??????

Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-First-Pontiff-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg

Sigh, I told them a zillion times, dont piss off Nicola, but did they listen, nooopeeeee.

No doubt that lightning strike image will be sold to the believers as a sign from ............?

I say its Strangels playing the Haarp, the great Divine Defribilator, whatever, if it isnt photoshop, any livecams on the Vatican?

www.camvista.com/europe/italy/rome/st-peters-square-web...

Maybe we will get lucky and see the next strike live.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

http://i49.tinypic.com/2n7nq6s.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

Fathr Jack Could have been Pope !!


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One of the funniest/silliest sitcoms ever and charactures the Catholic church
to a 'T' imo..LOL

d8FqAfsZMYM

[witchy1]

for humor.
http://i.imgur.com/46EXwyNl.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

David Icke Day 2 this will take a few mins to put up..LOL

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Resigning Ratzinger Covered Up Global Child Abuse - Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God
Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:57
Posted by David Icke

Alex Gibney explores the charged issue of paedophilia in the Catholic Church,
following a trail from the first known protest against clerical sexual abuse in the
United States and all the way to the Vatican.

Watch this and you will not be surprised that Pope Benedict XVI has become the
first Pope to resign in 600 years.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Feb20138/pope_d.jpg

Nazi Youth member Joseph Ratzinger was appointed in 1981 to head the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), formerly the Supreme Sacred
Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition - the mass murdering and
torturing 'Holy Inquisition' - by the wrongly rose-painted Pope John Paul II.

The same Pope decreed in 2001 that all child abuse cases worldwide involving the
Catholic clergy should be dealt with directly by Ratzinger at the CDF with the role,
carried out with vigour, of stopping the Church-destroying truth coming to public
attention and, in doing so, denying justice to abused children and allowing
paedophile priests and bishops to stay in their jobs and continue their abuse of
other children.

Ratzinger has resigned because of ill health? His mate John Paul II continued in his
last four years despite suffering from Parkinson's disease, severe arthritis and
having difficulty speaking and hearing. Popes don't resign and this is why it hasn't
happened for 600 years. This is really about the truth coming out and there is a
tidal wave of that still to do so - especially in Ratzinger's case.

I have said it for two decades and I will go on saying it - paedophilia and Satanism
are the cement that hold the global Establishment together and the Roman Church
is founded upon both going back to its theological 'inspiration' in Babylon and
beyond.

Click here to watch ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79715-resigning-ratzinger-covered-up-global-child-abuse-mea-maxima-culpa-silence-in-the-house-of-god

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MSNBC report on Pope Benedict and child abuse

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Feb20138/evil-pope.jpg

Click here to watch ...



http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79715-resigning-ratzinger-covered-up-global-child-abuse-mea-maxima-culpa-silence-in-the-house-of-god-------------------------------------------------------------

A signal from above? Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns
cardinals with first resignation in 600 years

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Feb20138/world-20stunned-20with-20pope-20benedict-20resignation-20130212121639537563-600x400.jpg

Political and religious tributes for a man who has covered up more child abuse than
anyone else on the planet



Obama: 'On behalf of Americans everywhere, Michelle and I wish to extend our
appreciation and prayers to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI [who systematically
covered up Catholic child abuse in America].'

Cameron: 'I send my best wishes to Pope Benedict. He has worked tirelessly to
strengthen Britain’s relations with the Holy See. His visit to Britain in 2010 is
remembered with great respect and affection. He will be missed as a spiritual
leader to millions.'

Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks: '... a man of gentleness [sic], of quiet and of calm ... who
carried with him an aura of grace and wisdom.'

Read more ...
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79715-resigning-ratzinger-covered-up-global-child-abuse-mea-maxima-culpa-silence-in-the-house-of-god
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The Knights of Malta - one of the major secret societies behind the Vatican and the
Hidden Hand behind the International Monetary Fund (IMF)

No, the world is not what it seems to be.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Feb20138/144128_mainimg.jpg

Pope Benedict XVI is greeted by Matthew Festing, Grand Master of the Knights of
Malta, during a mass for the 900th anniversary of the Order which is part of a
Vatican web of secret societies and groupings that include the Jesuits and Opus Dei.

Read more ...
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79715-resigning-ratzinger-covered-up-global-child-abuse-mea-maxima-culpa-silence-in-the-house-of-god
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The Knights of Malta and their associated secret societies are widely exposed in David Icke's books, including The Biggest Secret.

Click here ...


Please circulate far and wide - make an effort, make a difference.

This is the link to send ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79715-resigning-ratzinger-covered-up-global-child-abuse-mea-maxima-culpa-silence-in-the-house-of-god

George Carlin - Religion is Bull****


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[sdv]

Tom Horn exposed evidence of a satanic group in the Roman Catholic church. I think articles 6 and 7 of his series of 16 articles about the last and final pope specifically deal with this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52343-Who-is-Peter-the-Roman--St.Malachy-Prophecy-

PS There are so many investigations taking place on this forum with bits of information. Is it possible that the satanic practices of, relatively, small groups are contaminating society at large? Is this just a human phenomenon or are there alien forces involved?

I suppose the biggest question of all is about the next pope: Will he be from this satanic group? (Perhaps they are a group within the RC church, rather than the church as a whole. The resignation of the present pope seems to fit in rather nicely with what the agenda of this satanic group would be. If the present pope is or is not a member of that group, his action in resigning does seem to fit their agenda. So he is either part of it and playing his role, or not part of it and has been coerced, or is not part of the group but has become aware of it and is running scared.)

[Mare]

Hello all,

just so you know I'm not touting myself as any kind of 'Mystic Meg' or anything like that but I did have a dream in the 90's about what I presume was the Olympic games and the Pope.

'I had a dream many years ago that made me sit upright in bed when I awoke from it. A voice in the dream that sounded like God in one of those early Cecille B DeMille religious epics, said 'There will be war after the games but not before the death of the Pope'. Every year since especially Olympic time and world cup football time I kept checking up on the Pope you know, and then I gave it up as just a daft dream. Then it occurred to me earlier this year that the UK (where I live) hosts the Olympics next year.'

Here is the link to the thread I posted this in back in 2011:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31274-BBC-News...get-ready--&p=318165&viewfull=1#post318165

Now I've been keeping my eye on the Pope since the end of the games last year and recent developments have really made me wonder. If it wasn't just a 'daft dream' as such, did the timelines change or could the abdication of a Pope be regarded in the same way as a death of a Pope?

[Nickolai]

Dear Mare,

You post made me remember a conversation with one of my clients who is polish and Catholic. We just made fun of all the hysteria concerning 2012 (that was nearly one year ago). Then, still smiling he told me:
"Nickolai, you know. we have a strong belief in Poland amongst the catholics that the end of the world will come after the death of the Pope". Somehow, this guy said that the belief was about 2012. Interesting! Maybe belief meant this St Malachy's prediction?
I also wanted to add that the death of the Pope could mean his resignation.

Thank you...

I thought that 2012 was enough for me...lol
I am intrigued!

LOL

[Nickolai]

Tom Horn exposed evidence of a satanic group in the Roman Catholic church. I think articles 6 and 7 of his series of 16 articles about the last and final pope specifically deal with this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52343-Who-is-Peter-the-Roman--St.Malachy-Prophecy-

Dear SDV,
The books of Mr Horn look interesting but can he actually be trusted? Or is he Dan Brown-like researcher?


Warmest Regards,

Nickolai

[Phoenix1304]

What are the odds huh??????

Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-First-Pontiff-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg

Sigh, I told them a zillion times, dont piss off Nicola, but did they listen, nooopeeeee.

No doubt that lightning strike image will be sold to the believers as a sign from ............?

I say its Strangels playing the Haarp, if it isnt photoshop, any livecams on the Vatican?

here you go:
A3rQtWYlb8w

Joan Rivers tweet today "Of course God is angry with the Pope. You're the shepherd of one billion Catholics and you give the boss 2 weeks notice?"

[Cidersomerset]

Pope Benedict XVI: Vatileaks? Heart trouble? Rumours swirl around the Pope
Holy See says pontiff had pacemaker fitted last month but denies that it forced his resignation

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-benedict-xvi-vatileaks-heart-trouble-rumours-swirl-around-the-pope-8492053.html



They were recharging his new pacemaker !!

The same procedure as Barry ....LOL....


http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/obamamontages/obamafrankensteinpix/1113803-1-eng-GB/ObamaFrankensteinPIX.jpg

Could not find one of Pope ....



http://www.truthdig.com/images/cartoonuploads/vaticanleaks_500.jpg

'Look on the web' !! 'Benny'

[Phoenix1304]

Shouldn't this be under current events? This seems like a very significant event to me. I knew I'd find an interesting thread on the matter here, thanks to everyone for your contributions. What does It all portend?

Maybe he's already been zapped by entities conjured in the Vatican basement. God only knows what's really going on in this stinking maze that is the secret societies of the world. I hope it's all crumbling at the foundations and humanity is soon to have its sovereignty restored. If that could happen without our having to be subjected to all the grizzly details about the psychos in charge, I'd be so grateful. I just want them gone.

[ThePythonicCow]

Shouldn't this be under current events?
Good point. I left this thread here, as some will expect now to find it in this General Discussion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?3-General-Discussion) sub-forum, but I also placed a link to this thread in the Current Events (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?105-Current-Events) sub-forum.

[Carmody]

I suspect that most people will think that the PTB made that lightening strike occur.

I submit that it was the people themselves that made that happen.


That the PTB would definitely prefer if you thought and imagined it was them..as in that way, you STILL don't take ownership of your own capacities and power.

That you continue to block yourself from changing...blocked from being who you really are. Firmly holding the open gate on the self made prison - shut. Afraid.

[gripreaper]

Joan Rivers tweet today "Of course God is angry with the Pope. You're the shepherd of one billion Catholics and you give the boss 2 weeks notice?"

If you read the Papal Bull, within the ecclesiastical texts, translated from Sumerian linguistics, and codified in the Magna Carta, under Common Law jurisdiction, within the venue of the high court of the Hague, as confirmed by Drake, I think it is abundantly clear in the statutes and regulations, rules and procedures of the Papal codes, that two weeks notice is within the codified laws as prescribed by the presumptions which have been precedent from within the time parameters of the necessary notices, declarations, affidavits, and ancillary evidence maintained within the pontiff's rights and resolutions to adhere to the precedents, codified lawful and legal jurisprudence and statutory law. ;)

In other words, I think he's okay to do this. :rolleyes:

[KiwiElf]

Eerie Accuracy Of Nostradamus Pope Prophecy
Monday, February 11, 2013 9:10
20364

(Before It's News)

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/eerie-accuracy-of-nostradamus-pope-prophecy-2561886.html

Quatrain VI.6

There will appear towards the North
Not far from Cancer the bearded star:
Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria,
The great one of Rome will die, the night over.

Pope Benedict XVl will resign Feb. 28th 2013 and then college of cardinals will elect, according to Saint Malachy's Pope Prophecies, the last pope on earth before the end times. According to Nostradamus, the Pope will flee Rome in the month of December, when the Great Comet is seen in the daytime 'the sun will appear double' or the 'sky will display two suns'. Enter Comet ISON.


"As it approaches our Sun, sky watchers can expect to see the comet and its 40,000-mile-long tail in both the dark night and as well as by daylight. And this will not just be a one-night event. Comet ISON will be visible for almost a full two months. (Nov. and Dec. 2013)

So here we have two prophecies seemingly coming together from two guys who have been pretty good at predicting things over the years. What does it mean for us? Comments welcome below. The Vatican's announcement today has taken the world by storm and consipracy theorists and doomsayers alike are scambling to figure out the ramifications of Benedict XVL's abdictation. - Mort

Related Post on Comet ISON here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55740-Massive-Comet-ISON-To-Put-On-Spectacular-Show-This-Thanksgiving&p=634916#post634916

One of the several 'considered popes' to replace Pope Benedict XVl comes from Ghana - Cardinal Peter Turkson. The prophesized 'last Pope', the "Black Pope"??? Makes you wonder....

[Carmody]

Instead of prophesy coming true disarming me into fear, it arms me into power.

For if such things are true, then I have my own work to do to claim my own energetic capacities.

That time is non linear and that I will probably never die, and a thousand other ramifications of similar intensity.

All these empowering things would come from functional prophecy.

The last thing that such a thing would do..is bring is fear, as any fear would be ridiculous in the face of KNOWING.

See such a thing - for what it would be. (if it was true)

Prophesy wrong: Business as usual.

Prophesy correct: I am god, you are god.

No fear that I can see or understand, in any result.


To go to the end of that line of logic... That's why you don't see any reptilians or whatnot. For if you did:

YOU WIN.

Their existence means you are enabled into knowing, and being, all in one shot, one moment that creates permanent change. Permanent change into total empowerment.

[marielle]

I've never heard about the 4 girls at Garabandal in 1961 until today. It's interesting in light of recent events.


Q. You have said that the Miracle of Garabandal will coincide with a great event within the Church. Did Our Lady tell you what that event will be, and can you add anything to what you have already said about this matter?
A. Yes, I know what the event is. It is a singular event in the Church that happens very rarely, and has never happened in my lifetime. It is not new or stupendous, only rare, like a definition of a dogma — something like that in that it will affect the entire Church. It will happen on the same day as the Miracle, but not as a consequence of the Miracle, only coincidentally.

http://www.garabandal.org/News/Garabandal_Warning_Miracle_Interviews.shtml

[johnf]

I've never heard about the 4 girls at Garabandal in 1961 until today. It's interesting in light of recent events.


Q. You have said that the Miracle of Garabandal will coincide with a great event within the Church. Did Our Lady tell you what that event will be, and can you add anything to what you have already said about this matter?
A. Yes, I know what the event is. It is a singular event in the Church that happens very rarely, and has never happened in my lifetime. It is not new or stupendous, only rare, like a definition of a dogma — something like that in that it will affect the entire Church. It will happen on the same day as the Miracle, but not as a consequence of the Miracle, only coincidentally.http://www.garabandal.org/News/Garabandal_Warning_Miracle_Interviews.shtml

This describes the miracle as everyone on the earth seeing their mistakes clearly, along with a clear awareness of God. Unless I am just rotten and was skipped over, that didn't happen?
I mean it didn't did it? Somebody? Please?

[johnf]

Oh the conscience thing is the warning.

[Freed Fox]

I like your outlook on these things, Carmody. Indeed, I believe the same incident can serve to empower or disempower, based largely how we frame it. Are my held beliefs being shattered, or are limitations being lifted?

There should be no reason to fear Judgement Day, unless you really feel that you are unjust. Even then, I cannot imagine any divine authority passing judgment and offering only punishment or damnation. No sin should be beyond redemption, even if the redeeming act must be severe...

That is the way I sincerely feel, and I have a hard time believing that a simple human being can have a greater capacity for mercy than any true divine authority.

[lunaflare]

Finally, the Black Pope to be elected as the head of All? (the South African)
But not losing the metaphor folks

[syrwong]

Never forget the warning from the great modern prophet, Billy Meir. He wrote in 1987, out on the internet since 2006 in the Henoch Prophecy:

“After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period. Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus. Under his religious rule, the end of the Catholic Church will come, a total collapse becoming inevitable. That will be the beginning of the worst catastrophe that will ever have befallen the human beings and the Earth(Italics mine). Many Catholic clerics, priests, bishops, cardinals and many others will be killed and their blood will flow in streams. But also the reformed version of Christianity will become just as infinitely small, as does Catholicism.”

This paints a very bleak immediate future for mankind, but looking at the prophecies of better known prophets in the last century or so, who didn’t?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I can't help think that he knows he'll be suicided like the last popes if he stays any longer!

I had the same thought: "If he stays any longer he will be killed".

Somehow I have the feeling the next pope maybe an American (or at least non European) for a change.

Yes and i can imagine the first order of business , Install nukes on the roof of the cistine chapel ... i very much doubt they will elect anybody of non european decent. If they do then it would be definite that the under order have infiltrated the papacy.

Petrus Romanis is to bring judgement upon the roman catholic church for its sins.

and there is almost 2000 years of sins to account for. This will begin in June this year and end June 2015. This is merely my prediction , not anything i have read.

Naniu

[markpierre]

This just landed in my mailbox from a much trusted friend. We'd been discussing the fact that things are happening quietly out there that do support some of the GOOD news that we're inclined to dismiss. I don't know.

The OPPT is just to reasonable to be believed sometimes,

and also too reasonable not to.

http://oppttheunfoldingstory.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/no-138-the-real-news-pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth/

[Operator]

This just landed in my mailbox from a much trusted friend. We'd been discussing the fact that things are happening quietly out there that do support some of the GOOD news that we're inclined to dismiss. I don't know.

The OPPT is just to reasonable to be believed sometimes,

and also too reasonable not to.

http://oppttheunfoldingstory.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/no-138-the-real-news-pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth/

The source of this news seems to be http://itccs.org
So I looked it up ... although it says Brussels etc. it doesn't seem to be an official authority. It is more like a common law tribunal
like Alfred Webre participated in to declare George Bush and others as war criminals. That's a good initiative I guess but I have not
seen real effective consequent actions by those tribunals. I could be wrong of course but this news may not be as impacting as we
would like to think.

[Cidersomerset]

Wednesday, 13 February 2013 12:27
Posted by David Icke

Job Vacancy for final 'Anti christ' Before 'Enlightenment' !!

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Feb20138/23.png

[Cidersomerset]

This is why he resigned I think after watching the HBO documentry in post 122
Cardinal Ratzinger was in charge of the department hiding Pedophile priest
before becoming Pope.The timming is 'VERY COINCIDENTAL' a day or so
before it was screened live on HBO.He knew he would probably have to
face questions about and the Church probably thought retiring him off
to a nice summer palace in Italy would hopefully let this go away quicker !

MEA MAXIMA CULPA SILENCE IN THE HOUSE OF GOD ...HBO Documentry....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55717-MEA-MAXIMA-CULPA-SILENCE-IN-THE-HOUSE-OF-GOD-...HBO-Documentry....

OSstCtWl54w


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THE GUARDIAN ONLINE...


Pope Benedict resigns: sex abuse survivors hope move eases prosecution

Victims and their advocates – who hold pontiff responsible for covering up abuse –
push forward with international legal cases
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Karen McVeigh in New York

guardian.co.uk, Monday 11 February 2013 22.00 GMT


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Before he became the pope, Cardinal Ratzinger headed the organisation responsible
for dealing with abuse cases. Photograph: Paul White/AP


Victims of the child sex abuse crisis that has engulfed the Catholic church during
Pope Benedict's tenure welcomed his unexpected resignation on Monday, amid
speculation over what prompted his departure.

Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (Snap), an organisation of 12,000
members worldwide, claim Benedict is personally responsible for widespread abuse
within the church because he chose to protect its reputation over the safety of
children. US lawyers who are currently suing the pontiff and other high-ranking
Holy See officials for systematically concealing sexual crimes around the world, said
his resignation may lead to more international prosecutions.

David Clohessy, executive director of Snap, condemned the pope's "terrible record"
on child sex abuse and said he hoped he would "finally show some courageous
leadership on the abuse crisis" in his remaining days.

Clohessy told the Guardian: "Before he became pope his predecessor put him in
charge of the abuse crisis. He has read thousands of pages of reports of the abuse
cases from across the world. He knows more about clergy sex crimes and cover-ups
than anyone else in the church yet he has done precious little to protect children."

He said a big question for the pope's successor is "what he will do in a very tangible
way to safeguard children, deter cover-ups, punish enablers and chart a new
course. What matters is not whether a statement is unprecedented but whether an
action is affected."

Clohessy cited the example of 30 US bishops who have posted the names of
predator priests on their diocese websites. He said that a new pontiff should require
bishops to do that and to work to reform secular laws governing abuse "so that
predators from every walk of life faces justice".

Cardinal Sean O Malley, of Boston, one of five cardinals who lead the US
archdiocese, has published a list of 159 priests and deacons accused of abusing
children, on the Boston archdiocese website.

Before he was pope, the then-Cardinal Ratzinger headed the Congregation for the
Doctrine of the Faith, the organisation responsible for dealing with abuse cases.
The Vatican has cited nonspecific health concerns as the reason for Benedict's
resignation, the first in the church in almost 600 years, but the unexpected and
sudden nature of the announcement has prompted widespread speculation over the
reasons.

Bill McMurry, a lawyer from Kentucky who has sued the Vatican for sexual abuse
allegations going back as far as 1928, said: "The world is stunned. We don't see in
the history of the papal world a pope stand down. It makes you wonder what's
going on."

McMurry said he personally holds Benedict responsible for "decades" of cover-up of
the sex abuse scandal, during which time bishops were instructed to send
paedophile priests from one district to another.

"It is a good day when a bad pope or a bad leader of your religion steps aside," he
said.

McMurry said he believed Benedict was appointed to the papacy in part because he
had kept the sex abuse scandal at bay to protect the reputation of the church.

"We have seen documentations. We know that this is the role that Benedict played,
and he did a terrific job of containing a scandal until it could be contained no more
and it exploded."

"It is hard for me to accept that Benedict would step down. Unless there was a
potential scandal that we will never know about that was bargained away. There's a
lot of skull-duggery here. It just doesn't add up" he said.

The Center for Constitutional Rights, which filed a case against the pope last year at
the International Criminal Court on behalf of Snap, said his departure would make
international prosecution easier, both in its case at the ICC and other, potential
prosecutions, because it will remove the immunity given to him as a head of state.

In a statement, the CRR said: "This pope is responsible for rape and other sexual
violence around the world, both through his exercise of superior responsibility and
through his direct involvement in the cover up of specific crimes. Tens of thousands
of victims, most of them children, continue to suffer because he has placed the
reputation of the church above the safety of its members. His resignation will make
international prosecution easier for national systems of justice that still grant
immunity to current heads of state."

Pam Spees, an attorney for CCR, said that since it had filed the suit in 2011, Snap
has been contacted by survivors from 65 countries.

"We have seen a welling up of survivors coming together in different countries to
demand accountability," said Spees. "With respect to ICC, there was never any
legal hurdles because he was head of state. But there were plenty of political
hurdles to doing that. The fact that he is not any more should remove those
political hurdles. He could also be more exposed to civil suits and criminal investigations at a national level."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-sex-abuse-survivors

[centreoflight]

Pope Benedict Steps Down Fulfilling The Malachy Prophecy, Will Armageddon Follow As Predicted?

St. Malachy had written about the 112th pope:
"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

St. Malachy prophesized that the final pope would be "Peter the Roman", which is interesting because no pope to date has chosen the name of Peter out of respect for Peter the Apostle. There has also been speculation that the final pope would be black. Even more curiously, there is a black cardinal in Ghana, Peter Turkson, who is believed to be a frontrunner and whose name has come up in previous discussions of papal appointment.

Malachy's prophecies are taken very seriously as they've been uncannily accurate to date. Will the Catholic Church get its first black pope? Will "Peter the Roman" lead us into the End Times? These questions are set to be answered by Easter, which comes this year at the end of March, when the papal conclave announces their decision.

http://youtu.be/l9uaHTPsP9s

The Last Pope? A Look at the St. Malachy Prophecy (REV)

http://youtu.be/c8kCYk1LgSA (9 min. video)

St Malachy was the Archbishop of Armagh, to whom were attributed several miracles and a vision of the identity of the last 112 Popes. He was canonized by Pope Clement III as a Roman Catholic "saint", on July 6, 1199, the first Irish saint to be canonized.
Biblically speaking, the papacy has no authority to "make" or canonize anyone to be a saint. There is no papal stamp of authority from Almighty God.

The Biblical term for "saint" is anyone, alive or dead, that accepts Lord Jesus as Messiah and obeys the Gospel, regardless what Webster's or any other dictionary might define the term. It's a term such as "Christian", and we don't pray to or through dead people. We have one Mediator, Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)

So if you meet the characteristics mentioned, you are a saint of the Most High God.

(keywords: malachy malachi pope rome papacy benedict st saint revelation destruction roman catholic church bibleortraditions )

Thank you Camilo for this,
I invite all of you to listen to the 9 minutes video, at present I am listening to the Cost to Cost Interview with Tom Horn. Here what it is about in short:


Author and publisher with a specialty in End Times and prophecy, Tom Horn, discussed his new research on the prophecy of the Popes, and how 2012 will be the fulfillment of St. Malachy's prediction that the Catholic Church will see one final Pope before its destruction. Almost 900 years ago, the Irish seer, St. Malachy, came to Rome and "suddenly had this frenzied vision in which he wrote down the descriptives of every Pope that would ever exist from his day to the final Pope," Horn reported. According to Malachy's prophesied list, the next Pope after the current one (Pope Benedict) will be the last one, #112. This final Pope, Petrus Romanus (or Peter the Roman) will lead the Church into the great tribulation period and the destruction of Rome. Some Catholic mystics believe he will be an infiltrator under Satanic control. Evangelical prophecy refers to this person as the "False Prophet" who helps to usher in the Antichrist, Horn continued.

If an Italian is voted in as the next Pope, that could be the fulfillment of Malachy's prophecy, Horn noted, adding that a number of church scholars going back hundreds of years have cited 2012 as the year when the False Prophet emerges. This timing coincides with other prophetic material such as from the Mayans, and Cherokee, as well as the Kabbalah's Zohar book, which named 2012 as the year when the Messiah returns, he detailed. Further, in 1951, a French Jesuit named Rene Thibaut, a codebreaker and mathematician, verified the accuracy of Malachy's predictions, and calculated that Petrus Romanus would arrive in 2012.

Horn also spoke about the late Father Malachi Martin's warning of a secret plan by the "Illuminati/Freemasons" to infiltrate the Vatican and use it to bring about a New World Order. A friend of Martin's, Father Alfred Kunz, was murdered, and Martin believed he was killed by Satanists at the Vatican. The case is still unsolved, and Horn has investigated the possible conspiracy. For more, check out this video trailer, for his new book, Petrus Romanus.

Biography:

Tom Horn is a researcher and freelance writer whose Raiders News Update reports have been referred to by writers of the L.A. Times Syndicate, MSNBC, Christianity Today, World Net Daily, White House Correspondents and dozens of news magazines and press agencies around the globe. Tom has appeared on numerous programs worldwide and once served as national spokesperson for Cloud Ten Picture's Movie "Deceived," starring Louis Gossett Jr. and Judd Nelson. Tom's new book, The Ahriman Gate is VMI Publishers' best selling book.

Wikipedia
The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI, a pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.

Provenance
Final part of the Prophecy in Lignum Vitae (1595) p.311

The prophecy was first published in 1595 by Arnold de Wyon, a Benedictine historian, as part of his book Lignum Vitæ. Wyon attributed the list to Saint Malachy, the 12th‑century bishop of Armagh in Ireland. According to the traditional account, in 1139, Malachy was summoned to Rome by Pope Innocent II. While in Rome, Malachy purportedly experienced a vision of future popes, which he recorded as a sequence of cryptic phrases. This manuscript was then deposited in the Roman Archive, and thereafter forgotten about until its rediscovery in 1590.

On the other hand, Bernard of Clairvaux's biography of Malachy makes no mention of the prophecy, nor is it mentioned in any record prior to its 1595 publication. Some sources, including the most recent editions of the Catholic Encyclopedia, suggest that the prophecy is a late 16th‑century forgery. Some have suggested that it was created by Nostradamus and was credited to Saint Malachy so the purported seer would not be blamed for the destruction of the papacy. Supporters, such as author John Hogue, who wrote a popular book titled The Last Pope about the claims, generally argue that, even if the author of the prophecies is uncertain, the predictions are still valid.

[SilentFeathers]

The black cardinal, Peter Turkson would not be "Peter the Roman" IMO, he would be "Peter the Ghanan", as he is from Ghana Africa, not Italy.

This makes more sense to me.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Cardinal_tarcisio_bertone.JPG/220px-Cardinal_tarcisio_bertone.JPG

His full name is: Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone, S.D.B. (born 2 December 1934) and he was born in,
Romano Canavese, Italy........

Take the two underlined bold words above and you have "Pietro the Ramano"
Pietro means Peter or the Rock, and Romano means From Rome.
So you have, Peter the Roman

This fulfills the prophecy of Malachy;


The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with current pope Benedict XVI's successor, a pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

[MorningSong]

Today is Ash Wednesday, first day of Lent, and the Pope will be live on Italian TV for his last public Mass.


Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent in the Western Christian calendar. Occurring 46 days before Easter, it is a moveable fast that can fall as early as February 4 and as late as March 10.

According to the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke; Jesus spent 40 days fasting in the desert, where he endured temptation by Satan. Ash Wednesday marks the beginning of this 40-day liturgical period of prayer and fasting.

Ash Wednesday derives its name from the practice of placing ashes on the foreheads of adherents as a reminder and celebration of human mortality, and as a sign of mourning and repentance to God. The ashes used are typically gathered from the burning of the palms from the previous year's Palm Sunday.

At Masses and services of worship on this day, ashes are imposed on the foreheads of the faithful (or on the tonsure spots, in the case of some clergy). The priest, minister, or in some cases officiating layperson, marks the forehead of each participant with black ashes in the sign of the cross, which the worshipper traditionally retains until it wears off. The act echoes the ancient Near Eastern tradition of throwing ashes over one's head to signify repentance before God (as related in the Bible). The priest or minister says one or both of the following when applying the ashes:

Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.
—Genesis 3:19

Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel.
—Mark 1:15

In the Catholic Church, Ash Wednesday is observed by fasting, abstinence from meat, and repentance—a day of contemplating one's transgressions.

Ashes were used in ancient times to express mourning. Dusting oneself with ashes was the penitent's way of expressing sorrow for sins and faults. An ancient example of one expressing one's penitence is found in Job 42:3–6. Job says to God: "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. The other eye wandereth of its own accord. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday

[Carmody]

They're cutting off a limb, in order to save an organization, is the minimal consideration. With regard to mundane analysis.

Then there may be other considerations, and usually are.

Our own experiences in personal relationships vs that of outer world knowledge of such, and that of work situations, and local political situations - all of this allows us to understand that there is a public face of an argument and then there is, at the least, a secondary inner face. That this 'inner face, inner story.. hews more toward the more complex truth of the matter. That there may be, as we well know from our own experiences, that there may be even a third inner layer which is the actual truth.

As we arrive at very complex situations like this, involving many aspects of society in general and personal concerns, we can almost guarantee that the minimum is that this story has two faces or layers... and most likely....an inner third.

We have a cover story, then the story people get if they look inside...... and then... the real truth.

[MorningSong]

Pope to say Ash Wednesday mass as resignation shockwaves ripple outward

Surprise move by Benedict XVI prompts change of venue to allow more worshippers to attend valedictory service
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 12 February 2013 20.04 GMT

Pope Benedict XVI will lead an emotional Ash Wednesday mass in St Peter's Basilica amid lingering doubts over his reasons for announcing the first papal resignation for almost six centuries.

In a scheduling change prompted by the surprise declaration, which sent shockwaves throughout the Catholic world, the Vatican said the location of the annual service, usually held in a smaller church, would be changed in order to allow more worshippers to bid farewell to the outgoing pontiff.

The Vatican was forced to deny once again that the 85-year-old's decision to step down after an eight-year reign had been prompted by a specific health problem as it emerged he underwent secret surgery to replace the batteries in his pacemaker three months ago.

Responding to a report in the Italian daily Il Sole 24 Ore, according to which the operation had been carried out at the Pius XI clinic in Rome, the Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said the surgery had been "routine" and completely unconnected to Benedict's decision to step down.

Although known to some Vatican observers, the existence of the pacemaker had not been publicly acknowledged before. The pope, who suffered a haemorrhagic stroke in 1991, had had one fitted when still a cardinal, said Lombardi.

....

Ahead of Benedict's resignation, at 8pm on 28 February, the Vatican is grappling with the immediate logistical challenges of the virtually unprecedented position in which it now finds itself. A conclave to pick a successor is due to begin within 15 to 20 days of Benedict's resignation but no specific date has yet been set.

(Yes it has, announced today to begin on March 15. MS)

It is not yet even clear what the pope will be called once he is pope no longer: whether he will be known, for instance, as "bishop of Rome, emeritus", and whether he will be addressed, as he is now, as Your Holiness, as a mark of respect.

Amid uncertainty over how much influence Benedict will continue to have, the Vatican has moved to quash any suggestion that he will somehow act as a competing authority to his successor. "I think if Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict, still wanted to influence the church, he would remain as pope," said Greg Burke, senior communications adviser.

"I think he seriously wants to do what he has wanted to do for about 20 years, which is go study, read books and pray. And he's finally going to be able to do that. He's not that kind of person … by nature, he's not a conniver; he's not a schemer. He's not into that kind of stuff.

"He is a professor. He's a man of the church. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's going to be living in a monastery, essentially. I think he really does want a quiet life, and I would be very surprised if he tried to intrude in any way on the workings of the church."

Though Benedict will not have a vote in the conclave, his conservative theological influence is nonetheless expected to be felt through the choices of those cardinals who will be voting, 67 of whom he appointed.

On Tuesday, one of the many men considered papabile said the time had come for a pope from the developing world. The 64-year-old Ghanaian Peter Turkson said the churches of Africa and Asia had produced "mature clergymen and prelates that are capable of exercising leadership also of this world institution".

Other candidates from the developing world include Odilo Scherer, the 63-year-old archbishop of São Paulo, and Óscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga, 70, the archbishop of Tegucigalpa, in Honduras. They face stiff competition, however, from the likes of Marc Ouellet, the Québécois prefect of the Congregation for Bishops, and Angelo Scola, the Italian cardinal, who was appointed archbishop of Milan by Benedict in 2011.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/12/pope-ash-wednesday-mass-benedict

[syrwong]

The black cardinal, Peter Turkson would not be "Peter the Roman" IMO, he would be "Peter the Ghanan", as he is from Ghana Africa, not Italy.

This makes more sense to me.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Cardinal_tarcisio_bertone.JPG/220px-Cardinal_tarcisio_bertone.JPG

His full name is: Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone, S.D.B. (born 2 December 1934) and he was born in,
Romano Canavese, Italy........

Take the two underlined bold words above and you have "Pietro the Ramano"
Pietro means Peter or the Rock, and Romano means From Rome.
So you have, Peter the Roman

This fulfills the prophecy of Malachy;


The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with current pope Benedict XVI's successor, a pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

Good observation. I checked it from dictionary that indeed Pietro is Peter and Romano is the Italian form of Romanus. However if the information from the famous site about Peter Turkson being called "Peter the Roman" at his African home is correct (because he studied theology at Rome), then the Ghanan must be the actual choice (by God?). Besides, he is the second favorite to win and Tarcisio Bertone is almost 3 times at 8-1. :p

[Borodin]

If this thing becomes the pope, God help us all even non Christians.

http://www.terraligure.it/blog/tarcisio_bertone.jpg




Never heard of Photoshop?

http://saints.sqpn.com/wp-content/gallery/people-of-the-faith/cardinal-tarcisio-bertone.jpg

[Nickolai]

Hi, Borodin!

That's funny but this thought never crossed my mind.
I just posted the first pic I saw.
And yes, I know very well what photoshop is.
I also know that there are ugly people, and I suppose that ugly people could be cardinals...))

Simple!

[Borodin]

His last Twitter feed yesterday:
Pope Benedict's twitter feed has been silent since news broke of his resignation. His last tweet was sent yesterday.

Wonder if hes already dead?
He's in the sub-basement of the Vatican, getting a transfusion: 6 parts human infant's blood, 6 parts goat's blood, 6 parts Komodo Dragon's blood.

He'll be just fine.

Dennis



How do you square your signature: "We are either filled with compassion, or we are empty" with what you have posted here, Dennis?

[apokalypse]

The black cardinal, Peter Turkson would not be "Peter the Roman" IMO, he would be "Peter the Ghanan", as he is from Ghana Africa, not Italy.

This makes more sense to me.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Cardinal_tarcisio_bertone.JPG/220px-Cardinal_tarcisio_bertone.JPG

His full name is: Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone, S.D.B. (born 2 December 1934) and he was born in,
Romano Canavese, Italy........

Take the two underlined bold words above and you have "Pietro the Ramano"
Pietro means Peter or the Rock, and Romano means From Rome.
So you have, Peter the Roman

This fulfills the prophecy of Malachy;


The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with current pope Benedict XVI's successor, a pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

Good observation. I checked it from dictionary that indeed Pietro is Peter and Romano is the Italian form of Romanus. However if the information from the famous site about Peter Turkson being called "Peter the Roman" at his African home is correct (because he studied theology at Rome), then the Ghanan must be the actual choice (by God?). Besides, he is the second favorite to win and Tarcisio Bertone is almost 3 times at 8-1. :p

i have no knowledge on this but question is it really Peter The Rome? or somehow people whatever it means to match Peter The Rome?

[syrwong]

i have no knowledge on this but question is it really Peter The Rome? or somehow people whatever it means to match Peter The Rome?

Prophecies are invariably cryptic, but there is still a limit to how the cryptic phrases match. I think the Ghanan is a good match, and Tarcisio Bertone is a poor match. Of the remaining papable cardinals, I doubt there can be another even poor match. You can't say St. Malachy was wrong if the poor match won, but at this real "end-time" things are clearer to see and there is less hiding, so I think the obvious will win.

[Wind]

XWEGWYxmk-k

[witchy1]

"Before he became the pope, Cardinal Ratzinger headed the organisation responsible for dealing with abuse cases. "

I wonder if that is how he got the job in the first place...... He certainly knew the dirty secrets of the others.

Wonder who has the job now ............

[The Truth Is In There]

if the last pope is "petrus romanus" there's your reason why ratzinger resigned. the prophecy must be fulfilled and the last pope starts the countdown to the great tribulation. they know when it starts - the **** is going to hit the fan in april or may and ratzinger was unlikely to die in time so the only solution was to step down, even though he's in much better health than the previous pope was at the end (he died as pope, after all). if the last pope is Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone - "petrus romanus" - you know what's going to happen in spring. get ready.

[Corncrake]

Following the resignation of Pope Benedict Catherine Austin Fitts puts forward her musings on what would make the 'Perfect Pope':

'The other day, I imagined members of the Knights of Malta and Opus Dei (the money guys) gathering in a quiet sanctuary to discuss the current financial meltdown in the Catholic Church and the perfect Pope to help evolve their business model and lead them into a new and wealth building period......'

Who would be the ideal candidate? What would the profile be?

http://solari.com/blog/the-perfect-pope/

[jackovesk]

Ending This Era Cannot be Denied

Feb 20, 2013

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INNOCENCE OVER EVIL

REUTERS, has written another untrue story in favor of telling lies to keep a convicted criminal alive and protected from the sentence he deserves, for the Crimes-Against Humanity he is guilty of. This despicable “news agency” has been serving liars in the global-community for decades—the time of these global-traitors needs to come to an end. In fact it’s long overdue. REUTERS needs to issue a RETRACTION, because the story about the Pope they just released is filled with fake-wish-lists and lies.

Reuters Story

“(Reuters) – Pope Benedict’s decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.


“His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn’t have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else,” said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.”

k): The point of convicting the Pope of Crimes Against Humanity was to NOT protect this criminal from facing justice for his global-crimes: It was precisely to force him to face his crimes and pay for all of them according to the World Court’s Decisions (which has nothing whatever to do with whichever wish-list that Ratzinger might have thought that he had the luxury to create).


“It is absolutely necessary” that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a “dignified existence” in his remaining years.”

k): Those who commit Crimes Against Humanity do not deserve protection from the consequences of their crimes, they deserve to serve the full punishment on the global-stage, according to the severity of the crimes they have committed and have been found GUILTY of. The point of having the trial was never about providing a safe place for the retired Pope—it was to punish this pope to the full extent of the law – something that has been overdue for centuries.

By publishing the Papal side of this argument, which has no standing in international law: This to supposedly provide cover for an ailing criminal who deserves neither “consideration” nor leniency, because he has committed Crimes Against Humanity and both he and the Vatican need to pay for those crimes in the most severe terms possible.

“Vatican sources said officials had three main considerations in deciding that Benedict should live in a convent in the Vatican after he resigns on February 28.

Vatican police, who already know the pope and his habits, will be able to guarantee his privacy and security and not have to entrust it to a foreign police force, which would be necessary if he moved to another country.

“I see a big problem if he would go anywhere else. I’m thinking in terms of his personal security, his safety. We don’t have a secret service that can devote huge resources (like they do) to ex-presidents,” the official said.

Another consideration was that if the pope did move permanently to another country, living in seclusion in a monastery in his native Germany, for example, the location might become a place of pilgrimage…” (1)

k): The rest of this whitewash was obviously written to excuse the Pope from anything and everything found by the International World Court to have been criminal—but none of this fake story by Reuters has any bearing on the legal cases against Ratzinger as Pope!

Ratzinger is a criminal and he has already announced his own resignation – all that remains is that this criminal face the court and the sentence they impose: None of which involves his retirement or a “safe-place” for him to spend his final years—in fact it’s just the opposite—to insure that he will pay fully for his crimes, with the ill-gotten-money from the Vatican that as CEO of Vatican Inc. he was the responsible person in everything that took place.

This “story” by Reuters is a fantasy-stroll through a place where this criminal POPE could continue to play at being Pope, when in fact he was never been equal to that part in the first place. The Vatican and the Pope need to end this massive crime, for which they have all been guilty for centuries – and if Reuters had any guts at all they would have refused to write this trite piece of fakery in the first place, which probably came directly from the lawyers for the Vatican.

When the gavel comes down and Ratzinger gets what he deserves then this junk-story will die as it should have, before it was written, until then there are still a few more days for the slime-merchants to peddle their cases to get their criminal off. But this time—time has run out on the CRIMES of far-too-many centuries to ever escape justice yet again…

Jim Kirwan

1) Pope will have security and Immunity by remaining in the Vatican

http://www.kirwanesque.net/2013/6193/ending-this-era/#top

[astrid]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/16205271/vatican-scandal-cited-in-pope-resignation/

"Pope Benedict XVI resigned after an internal investigation informed him about a
web of blackmail, corruption and gay sex in the Vatican, Italian media reports say.

Three cardinals were asked by Benedict to verify allegations of financial
impropriety, cronyism and corruption exposed in the so-called VatiLeaks affair.

On December 17, 2012, they handed the pontiff two red-leather bound
volumes, almost 300 pages long, containing
"an exact map of the mischief and the bad fish" inside the Holy See,
La Repubblica said."

"It was on that day, with those papers on his desk, that Benedict XVI took the
decision he had mulled over for so long," said the centre-left newspaper. It
said its article was the first of a series.

Panorama, a conservative weekly, did not speculate about the motives
behind Benedict's resignation, but its story about the contents of the
confidential report was broadly similar.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi refused to "run after fantasies
and opinions" and warned reporters: "Don't expect comments or rebuttals of
what is being said on this issue."

La Repubblica quoted a man described as "very close" to the authors as
saying the information it contained was "all about the breach of the sixth
and seven commandments" - which say "thou shalt not commit adultery"
and "thou shalt not steal".

The cardinals were said to have uncovered an underground gay network,
whose members organise sexual meetings in several venues in Rome and
Vatican City, leaving them prone to blackmail.

The secret report also delves into suspect dealings at the Institute for
Religious Works (IOR), the Vatican's bank, where a new chairman was
appointed last week after a nine-month vacancy, La Repubblica said,
without going into details.

The newspaper said Benedict would personally hand the confidential files
to his successor, with the hope he will be "strong, young and holy" enough
to take the necessary action.

The authors of the secret report will not take part in the conclave because
they are over 80 years old, past the age limit for the meeting. But Panorama
said they were likely to inform other cardinals about what they have uncovered.
Their findings "will condition the conclave" as it will have to elect
"a pope immune to blackmail, so that he can start the clean-up operation
that (Benedict) entrusted to his successor".


And what are the chances of that?? Electing a new pope immune to blackmail?
Especially if this story has any merit. I would have thought that was a prerequisite,
to being in the job, and frankly, any positions of power.
If this is what is being "leaked" i hate to think what the real story is.

[humanalien]

It's been prophesied that the next pope will
be the last pope, also known as the black pope.

Does that mean a black man will be the next
pope or a man with black heart, so to speak?

A black heart as in, full of evil.

The kjv bible, kind of indicates that the anti-christ
will come from the middle east. That means that
he could come from any of these area's.

Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran.

I just don't see that happening.

[Earth Angel]

the english translation is a little rough here and you will need to view on large screen to be able to read the translation

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