Are We Really "Doing" Nothing?

[Fred Steeves]

I like visuals and symbols, as tools in understanding things that aren't readily clear from our limited, and individual points of view. It's all too easy to assume that people like Gandhi were being wimpy pushovers, by saying such things as simply "be the change you want to see in the world".

It's also rather difficult to see the effects of our endeavors in our every day lives, being surrounded by so much darkness, manipulation, and programming and such. But, what if we could see through different eyes? Eyes that can see more of the big picture?

If our plight is indeed being observed by other races in the universe, or from other dimensions, I think they would likely see it as rather similar to the scattering of lights in this night time satellite image of Africa. Perspective is everything. :)

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[Malerogro]

Yes great visualization! Other dimensional beings are probably not concerned with the density and intricacies of this world in which we are trapped. They probably only see what energy sparks from it :)
Yet the negative energy emanating from the earth will also be felt. I guess it is upon the eyes of the other-dimensional beholder :p on which energy they focus :)

[christian]

Of course... :)

Step by step, keeping on keeping on, subtle, profound, inexorable! :cool:

Every little light that goes on is... one more light that went on!

[Silo]

Thanks Fred, I always appreciate your point of view.

I agree that images can be powerful....here are a few that are floating around my skull right now.

Orwell said that the purpose of war is to eat up the excess of produce human labor.

To keep humanity on the brink of starvation. That if people are afforded too much leisure and security they start to read. When they start to read they start to question.

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Throureau said, “A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.”

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Prioities seem to be of utmost importance.

I'm suddenly reminded of how excited the children were to get to pleasure island in Pinocchio. It wasn't anything more than flash and glitz and ended in terror.

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I'm also reminded of a certain boy crashed on an island with asthma and glasses reminding us....that while there are pleasures to be had the real prioity should be rescue, that along with the admonition of "what's grownups going to think?"

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And for a final image there is Steve King's Roland Deschain saying "You have forgotten the face of your father"

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Hope everyone is doing well this beautiful Feb morning.

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Of course... :)

Step by step, keeping on keeping on, subtle, profound, inexorable! :cool:

Every little light that goes on is... one more light that went on!

I was thinking that too....this will all make sense when it makes sense....not before

[GarethBKK]

This is what David R. Hawkins had to say in I: Reality and Subjectivity:

"All observed phenomena arise out of the totality of the evolution of Creation as it unfolds to perception as progressive observation. Nothing arises solely of its own but only within the field of context. What appears to be change is the emergence of potentiality out of essence into manifestation".

[greybeard]

Most of the problems of this world are caused by reactive doing--knee jerk action.
From the still mind comes positive action. (Right action)
Im not religious but think what Jesus was saying.
"Be still and know that "I am" God."
"Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within."
"The kingdom of heaven is within"
"The peace that passeth all understanding"

Eckhart Tolle---"There are no accidents the totality brings it all about"
There is no individual to bring anything about (unaided on its own) ---separation is the illusion.

Dr David Hawkins books are very clear and specific.
Nothing is causing anything---- there is no cause and effect everything is fulfilling its potential.
Thinking that you are the cause of anything is an egoic vanity.
You may however be the catalyst and that has karmic consequences.

The teaching of Hawkins is very clear but time has to be spent studying it as there re paradoxes and subtleties in every spiritual teaching.
Enlightened teachers are trying to give the essence of Truth which can only be experienced-- the moment it is spoken of its a concept.


Ramesh Balsekar said
"Events happen deeds are done but there is no individual doer there off."

It takes time to get the depth of that statement---speaking for myself.

Chris

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

i think that maintaining a positive outlook like you do Fred is the biggest weapon in your arsenal.
whether ETs are watching or whether we're alone in the universe,
your approach to life is correct either way.

to give the benefit of the doubt at your own expense is a great gift.
you shouldn't downplay the amount of energy it takes just to be nice to people.
if you realized what it felt like from the other side, or to people who are not as kind,
you would understand that you are already doing a lot,

and feeling bad about it too!

[CD7]

Well perspective is everything...Ill never forget the night sky in africa...from horizon to horizon nothing but STARS...shooting ones all the time. We never SEE this in the good ole USA becuz we have light LOL!!!!!!!! Wht an illusion

[WhiteFeather]

By Fred Steeves "If our plight is indeed being observed by other races in the universe, or from other dimensions, I think they would likely see it as rather similar to the scattering of lights in this night time satellite image of Africa".

I remember seeing this video awhile back in my early awakenings, thought to share this here. Your quote above reminded me of this video Fred, The EarthMark, if you will.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjFkWxQP_K4

[Whiskey_Mystic]

"Don't just do something. Sit there!"

-Sylvia Boorstein

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Here is my two cents.

If you have not already won the battle within, do not engage the battle without. Start within.

Winning the battle within will have tremendous repercussion throughout the entire field. That is where to put your intention. For that is where the others have already put their intention. The battlefield within has already been engaged. Do not ignore it. YOU are the battlefield.

[Freed Fox]

I wanted to find a single image to accompany my response, but came up with a video instead;

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Quite fitting with Fred's visualization, it would seem.

My response might also seem deceptively simple, if not a bit of a cop-out itself at first glace...

I don't think anyone can categorically say that conversation, contemplation, and exploration of ideas is doing nothing. At any given time there are more than a thousand guests (!) viewing this forum. If an idea holds meaning or significance with even one member here, it is bound to carry a similar weight with someone else. What if the next great world leader lurks this site, and draws inspiration from what he or she reads?

Moreover, the phrase "only fools rush in" comes to mind. Also, "planning without action is futile, action without planning is fatal". No effective plan of action can come together and circumvent corruption if it is formed by individuals who are internally conflicted or uninformed.

There is great value in fighting our internal battles first and foremost. Particularly if we are aiming to produce significant change in the world.

I think the butterfly effect is applicable to the above...


In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions, where a small change at one place in a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state. The name of the effect, coined by Edward Lorenz, is derived from the theoretical example of a hurricane's formation being contingent on whether or not a distant butterfly had flapped its wings several weeks before.

Although the butterfly effect may appear to be an esoteric and unlikely behavior, it is exhibited by very simple systems: for example, a ball placed at the crest of a hill may roll into any of several valleys depending on, among other things, slight differences in initial position.

[Fred Steeves]

There is great value in fighting our internal battles first and foremost. Particularly if we are aiming to produce significant change in the world.


Absolutely Freed Fox, and thank you for reminding me of "The Butterfly Effect". It is most certainly applicable here.





If you have not already won the battle within, do not engage the battle without. Start within.

Winning the battle within will have tremendous repercussion throughout the entire field. That is where to put your intention. For that is where the others have already put their intention. The battlefield within has already been engaged. Do not ignore it. YOU are the battlefield.

Hi Whiskey_Mystic, that reminds me of my favorite dream(I would call it a vision) from my old thread Dreams Of Avalon. The way I read it is set matters straight on the inside, and everything else will take care of itself.




I am myself at my current age and walking around a village that reminds me very much of my experiences in India (check out Avalon thread "Experience in Hampi, Karnatka, India"). There is a lot of stone work, and I am walking along a street. The climate is hot and humid, clear blue sky. Along the street there are abodes, shops, stalls, fruit stands, etc..., lining both sides of the street. Just to set the scene, one on side of the street behind the shops there is a sheer cliff that rises up, and on the other side, the cliff is sheer by dropping straight in to a river below. The street itself is maybe 100' wide at the most. The street floor is packed dirt, reddish in color. This road with shops and abodes lining it, making a corridor, and a cliff on one side and river on the other, winds around for several miles. I am alone and walking through the town up the street, listening in an omniscient manner to all conversation. There is a single manner of speech occurring in most places: conspiracy!

In the shops blacksmiths are forging weapons: swords, maces, bows and arrows, knives, etc. Soldiers are plotting strategy against a foe. Armor and mail is being hammered and woven. Fires burn. Smoke smolders. Grimaces. Teeth and jaws grinding. Men and strategists lingering around boards, plotting movements and armies. And, most vivid in my memory, black magicians leaning into the ears of ferocious beasts, lions, tigers, hyenas, bears, elephants, and wolves, speaking treachery through mantras, speaking spells into their ears, instructing the animals when and where to attack and what to do, to be thirsty for blood. I can still see the magicians' garish, colorful robes, their thin, black mustaches, their pupils black without remorse, concentrated with intent and murder and treachery and deciet. Upon hearing their magick orders the beasts begin drooling and foaming and howling and gnashing and tearing with rage to attack the spoken foe. The animals are kept apart in cages because in their rage they would consume each other. The whole scene is one wrought with frenzy, derelict passion and directed assault on a known foe. Obscene preparations are being taken on what appears to be a siege that will lay waste to the village.

I walk up and down the street, and observing this behavior, the magicians and warriors in preparation for war, I approach the main gate of the city. The gate, or door, is tall like thirty feet high, a bridge outside the city wall spanning the river, the natural barrier defense to the city is the only thing separating the foe from the village. There is an extreme and desperate, urgent, tense feeling upon the warriors as if they know death is imminent. The animals can barely be held at bay, food and sustenance are ignored. The time has come.

I watch expectantly, excitedly as the gate begins to open, and the army of soldiers, magicians and wild beasts rush to confront the foe! I can remember specifically, while under the black magicians' spells, the beasts align in a battle formation and form a wedge to be the first line of attack............. The gate opens and the army lays on its foe........

And, now this is the hardest part to describe because words cannot really describe the intense "Gefühle", feeling that comes over me when I remember this: Out of the corridor from the gate walks a single person, brown hair, dark, bearded, tall, beautiful, wearing only a white linen tunic and a purple sash. I cannot in any way describe with words the illumination that surrounded him. To me and my understanding, he was the creator, Jehoshua, Krishna, Rama, every entity that represents the creator to me, but most singularly, I felt that I saw and encountered Melik Sadhakka, Chirst, Krishna. I fall to my knees in joy and overwhelming love.

I realize that this one single person is the foe that this army has been preparing to defeat. Instantly it becomes a slaughter of love! The man walks slowly into the village and as he approaches, the soldiers, magicians, and warriors begin throwing themselves to the ground and impaling themselves upon their own weapons just at the sight of the purity and compassion and love of this one person. The man shows no fear only love. The men who takes thiers lives on their own swords are instantly ashamed that they could even meditate violence upon this individual, and by their warriors code, they take their own lives. The beasts and animals begin gnashing and tearing at themselves and each other, and in a single orgy of violence and madness, destroy each other and the survivors escape yelping and whining with fear. The magicians are overcome with shame, then forgiveness, then love, and it is inexplicable to them! They literally melt into the dirt ground like the witch in the Wizard of Oz when water is poured on her.

What's left of the rabble disperses and hides in shame after seeing the true incarnation of unconditional love in the human flesh and departs in tatters. Unconfronted, undefeated, unchallenged, the Christ-like figure proceeds to a nearby stall where a single mother sits on hay, and nurses her newborn. The figure approaches them and sits next to them, and he is welcomed with a bow and the the mother touches her forehead to the ground, and he does the same thing to her. He puts his arm around them and she continues to nurse the child. They are safe and the army is now rabble, strewn about like paper in the wind. No advance or attack is made, and the simple sight of such extreme love and purity conquered instantly the horrific maligned threat. And I was enthralled with tears of joy at the sight. And that is where the sequence ended.......

[Youniverse]

Great post Fred! I like the imagery as well. The only thing I'd change is that Ghandi was not being a pushover when he said "be the change you want to see in the world." He was expressing a very deep and profound understanding of how creation works. I know you know that though. ;) Lotsa love!

[blufire]

Yes perspective is everything . . . .

I read this post (thanks Fred) yesterday when it very first went up and I could not get it out of my head. It wasn’t so much the words of the OP that stayed with me but the picture. I am a very visual person, I even learn best by watching.

The aspect that stuck with me and that I can’t get out of my mind is . . . all the lights or the largest concentration of light and therefore population is on the coastlines.

All I could think of is if and when we do have a ‘coastal event’ hundreds of millions, if not billions of people could and would die. Maybe THIS is what the ET’s or interdimensional beings are seeing. Perhaps they see these lights and dense populated coastlines and also know too what our future holds and this is why we are seeing them more and more.

Yes we as a humanity are doing many wondrous things . . . but maybe we should include moving away from coastlines to our very near future ‘to do list’.

Just a thought . . . . .

[Peace of Mind]

Well, I’m not going to sit here wasting time pretending that other species are looking down on us like we are the star attractions (like a zoo seems more logical). I really can’t be concern with such ideas that weigh in heavy on the fictional side of the scale. If there were beings looking down at us I suspect them to be a bit more advance mentally, spiritually and possibly physically. They probably look at us shaking their heads…wondering why we allow ourselves to live the way we do. I highly doubt any of them would want to get involved with our problems because we hardly get involved with our own problems. If aliens are true, then we should want to represent our species to the fullest. We should want to impress other beings with our unity, creativity, accountability, and humility. We need to earn the right to be seen as Humans. …not a joke of a creation that’s bent on the “what if’s” while failing on the “what is”.

Without unity and commitment, we subject ourselves to struggling and failures; we become procrastinators of the worse kind due to the unashamed waste of divine intelligence. It’s very hard for me to imagine off world beings having interest in beings that have little interest in them self, how does anyone/thing find interest in something that doesn’t want to reach its full potential? That’s the big picture I imagine any open eyes here or a far will be seeing. Imo, seeing anything else is just delusional. I highly doubt they will be amused looking at the bright lights in our cities, but if they could see the bright lights of our spirits they will be amazed for sure….but first we have to turn that switch on.

Peace

[Freed Fox]

We should want to impress other beings with our unity, creativity, accountability, and humility.

I agree with this most of all, PoM. The task then, really, is to come together and creatively find ways to combat divisiveness, narrow-mindedness, apathy, and arrogance. One of the major obstacles to overcome is that these things, in many ways, have become so very heavily intertwined with the fabric of western 'culture'.

One might say that to 'combat divisiveness' is paradoxical, but I don't believe so. One only needs to see the error of their judgements, the triviality of their conflicts, or the essential utility of unity.

Fox

[Youniverse]

Well, I’m not going to sit here wasting time pretending that other species are looking down on us like we are the star attractions (like a zoo seems more logical). I really can’t be concern with such ideas that weigh in heavy on the fictional side of the scale. If there were beings looking down at us I suspect them to be a bit more advance mentally, spiritually and possibly physically. They probably look at us shaking their heads…wondering why we allow ourselves to live the way we do. I highly doubt any of them would want to get involved with our problems because we hardly get involved with our own problems. If aliens are true, then we should want to represent our species to the fullest. We should want to impress other beings with our unity, creativity, accountability, and humility. We need to earn the right to be seen as Humans. …not a joke of a creation that’s bent on the “what if’s” while failing on the “what is”.

Without unity and commitment, we subject ourselves to struggling and failures; we become procrastinators of the worse kind due to the unashamed waste of divine intelligence. It’s very hard for me to imagine off world beings having interest in beings that have little interest in them self, how does anyone/thing find interest in something that doesn’t want to reach its full potential? That’s the big picture I imagine any open eyes here or a far will be seeing. Imo, seeing anything else is just delusional. I highly doubt they will be amused looking at the bright lights in our cities, but if they could see the bright lights of our spirits they will be amazed for sure….but first we have to turn that switch on.

Peace

Ya I agree with much of what you said. Except, how do you know what is fictional? You are making some pretty big assumptions as well by saying that Ets would not be interested in us. Would you not be interested in your family or extended family? What if that family were involved in a great experiment of consciousness and creation? Some of the channelled material like Bashar's rubber band analogy provide interesting alternatives lo looking at OUR 'story' and are every bit as possible or valid as commonly held beliefs. How do you know most people aren't interested in their fullest potential? Maybe they've gotten off track or became too frustrated or weary? Maybe they just go a different way about it than you or I?

[Fred Steeves]

If there were beings looking down at us I suspect them to be a bit more advance mentally, spiritually and possibly physically. They probably look at us shaking their heads…wondering why we allow ourselves to live the way we do.


Or, the crowd could be murmuring amongst each other: "My God, their little individual lights are actually making a difference, even though they can't see it. Yet they continue making breakthroughs anyway despite all odds stacked against them, just like we did".

The larger perspective doesn't need be anyone else's but our own either, the important thing is that it's there. :)

[Peace of Mind]

Well, I’m not going to sit here wasting time pretending that other species are looking down on us like we are the star attractions (like a zoo seems more logical). I really can’t be concern with such ideas that weigh in heavy on the fictional side of the scale. If there were beings looking down at us I suspect them to be a bit more advance mentally, spiritually and possibly physically. They probably look at us shaking their heads…wondering why we allow ourselves to live the way we do. I highly doubt any of them would want to get involved with our problems because we hardly get involved with our own problems. If aliens are true, then we should want to represent our species to the fullest. We should want to impress other beings with our unity, creativity, accountability, and humility. We need to earn the right to be seen as Humans. …not a joke of a creation that’s bent on the “what if’s” while failing on the “what is”.

Without unity and commitment, we subject ourselves to struggling and failures; we become procrastinators of the worse kind due to the unashamed waste of divine intelligence. It’s very hard for me to imagine off world beings having interest in beings that have little interest in them self, how does anyone/thing find interest in something that doesn’t want to reach its full potential? That’s the big picture I imagine any open eyes here or a far will be seeing. Imo, seeing anything else is just delusional. I highly doubt they will be amused looking at the bright lights in our cities, but if they could see the bright lights of our spirits they will be amazed for sure….but first we have to turn that switch on.

Peace

Ya I agree with much of what you said. Except, how do you know what is fictional? You are making some pretty big assumptions as well by saying that Ets would not be interested in us. Would you not be interested in your family or extended family? What if that family were involved in a great experiment of consciousness and creation? Some of the channelled material like Bashar's rubber band analogy provide interesting alternatives lo looking at OUR 'story' and are every bit as possible or valid as commonly held beliefs. How do you know most people aren't interested in their fullest potential? Maybe they've gotten off track or became too frustrated or weary? Maybe they just go a different way about it than you or I?


What is fictional is what cannot be experienced or can be proven, simple. How can anything exist if it is nowhere to be found? The hugh assumptions lies in the claims of aliens when there is ABSOLUTELY no one on this planet called EARTH in a position that can actually verified these claims, at best all that is done is total strangers providing speculation, nothing more. Now, can you really go all in on that? imo, that’s just a foolish thing to do, especially when you have nothing to back it up. All you’ll be doing is wasting precious time and energy on something that has no substance or solutions to our immediate problems.

My concerns are with the family I have here on Earth (here and now), why should I be focusing on something that is not only highly speculative, but famously exist in sci-fy movies? No one has provided any proof or made any logical connections of this matter. I know most people aren’t interested in their full potential by just observing their actions (action speaks louder than words). If they really did care they would put as much or more energy into remedy the obvious issues, but instead they ignore the issues and whine when no one else corrects the problem for them…when they can do them for self or inspire others to assist them. Just how much of this do you really see? Frustrations should be a motivator, if you become weary than that’s just a sign of defeatism/disempowerment. The problem is most people want a better life/world but they are hardly doing the things that will bring about it. The future can only be a reflection of the deeds we do and don’t do today. If we want that better world no one or thing is going to give that to us, we will create exactly what we think, and we will deserve every bit of it. So, knowing that... I will always focus on what's real and displays true urgency.

Peace

[CD7]

Here is my two cents.

If you have not already won the battle within, do not engage the battle without. Start within.

Winning the battle within will have tremendous repercussion throughout the entire field. That is where to put your intention. For that is where the others have already put their intention. The battlefield within has already been engaged. Do not ignore it. YOU are the battlefield.


:hail: AAAAaaaaHHHHHaaaaaaaaaa :)

[Peace of Mind]

If there were beings looking down at us I suspect them to be a bit more advance mentally, spiritually and possibly physically. They probably look at us shaking their heads…wondering why we allow ourselves to live the way we do.


Or, the crowd could be murmuring amongst each other: "My God, their little individual lights are actually making a difference, even though they can't see it. Yet they continue making breakthroughs anyway despite all odds stacked against them, just like we did".

The larger perspective doesn't need be anyone else's but our own either, the important thing is that it's there. :)

All the odds stack against them was done by their own dealings in life. We allow this to happen, yet are hesitant to undo it. How can any off world being see promise in that?

Peace

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Here is my two cents.

If you have not already won the battle within, do not engage the battle without. Start within.

Winning the battle within will have tremendous repercussion throughout the entire field. That is where to put your intention. For that is where the others have already put their intention. The battlefield within has already been engaged. Do not ignore it. YOU are the battlefield.


:hail: AAAAaaaaHHHHHaaaaaaaaaa :)
Amen

Peace

[Youniverse]

Here is my two cents.

If you have not already won the battle within, do not engage the battle without. Start within.

Winning the battle within will have tremendous repercussion throughout the entire field. That is where to put your intention. For that is where the others have already put their intention. The battlefield within has already been engaged. Do not ignore it. YOU are the battlefield.


:hail: AAAAaaaaHHHHHaaaaaaaaaa :)

Or like Pat Benatar sings, "love is a battlefield!" ha ha. Oops, showing my age!

[greybeard]

Here is my two cents.

If you have not already won the battle within, do not engage the battle without. Start within.

Winning the battle within will have tremendous repercussion throughout the entire field. That is where to put your intention. For that is where the others have already put their intention. The battlefield within has already been engaged. Do not ignore it. YOU are the battlefield.


:hail: AAAAaaaaHHHHHaaaaaaaaaa :)

Or like Pat Benatar sings, "love is a battlefield!" ha ha. Oops, showing my age!

Age Ha Ha

"Hears" the words of another song.
"Whats to do about it? Lets turn out the light and go to sleep"

Chris