Vitamin D proven far better than vaccines at preventing influenza infections

[heyokah]

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"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible." - Bertrand Russell

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If scientists discovered something that worked better than vaccines at preventing influenza, you'd think they would jump all over it, right? After all, isn't the point to protect children and adults from influenza?

A clinical trial led by Mitsuyoshi Urashima and conducted by the Division of Molecular Epidemiology in the the Department of Pediatrics at the Jikei University School of Medicine Minato-ku in Tokyo found that vitamin D was extremely effective at halting influenza infections in children.

Unfortunately, such a trial will never be conducted because vaccine pushers already know this trial would show their vaccines to be all but useless. So they won't subject vaccines to any real science that compares it to vitamin D.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029760_vitamin_D_influenza.html

Vaccine pushers aren't followers of real science
Now, given that vitamin D3 shows such a powerful effect in preventing influenza -- with 800% increased efficacy over vaccines -- shouldn't CDC officials, doctors and health authorities be rushing to recommend vitamin D before flu season arrives?

Of course they should. But they won't. Because for them, it's not about actually preventing influenza and it never has been. The vaccine pushing camp is primarily interested in using influenza as an excuse to vaccinate more people regardless of whether such vaccines are useful (or safe).

Even if vitamin D offered 100% protection against all influenza infections, they still wouldn't recommend it.

Why? Because they flatly don't believe in nutrition! It runs counter to their med school programming which says that nutrients are useless and only drugs, vaccines and surgery count as real medicine.

The vaccine pushers, you see, aren't followers of real science. You could publish a hundred studies proving how vitamin D is many times more effective than vaccines and they still would never recommend it.

They are promoters of medical dogma rather than real solutions for patients. They promote vaccines because... well... that's what they've always promoted, and that's what their colleagues promote. And how could so many smart people be wrong, anyway?

But that's the history of science: A whole bunch of really smart people turn out to be wrong on a regular basis. That's usually how science advances, by the way: A new idea challenges an old assumption, and after all the defenders of the old (wrong) idea die off, science manages to inch its way forward against the hoots and heckles of a determined dogmatic resistance.

[Dale]

Vaccine pushers aren't followers of real science

Nope. They're businessmen.


Now, given that vitamin D3 shows such a powerful effect in preventing influenza -- with 800% increased efficacy over vaccines -- shouldn't CDC officials, doctors and health authorities be rushing to recommend vitamin D before flu season arrives?

Nope. Again, they're businessmen.

:p

When I was around 13 or 14 years old, I had a case of the flu. For the last time. Since around that age, I've been eating a diet of mainly organic, raw, enzyme-rich food. As well as taking plenty of Vitamin D3.

[Ross]

I get my 30min a day...mostly, from the sun, havent had a cold/flu in 7 yrs...

Regards

Ross

[heyokah]

Vitamin D and regular sunshine (without putting on sunscreen).
And some silver....
I've been eating with silver cutlery my whole life.
I can't remember ever having had a real flu....
Maybe good genes :p
My parents are 87 and 91 and still healthy...never a flu !

[Arpheus]

I love my vitamin d3 i take 6000 units a day and go out in the sun as well,it keeps my health good !!;)

[Humble Janitor]

I've heard that D3 interferes with thyroid medication. The only way I could get it is by getting outside more and that won't be easy to do with Fall fast approaching.

[onawah]

Tanning beds also provide it. See article at:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/11/11/can-a-tanning-bed-be-healthy.aspx

I had not heard about D3 interfering with thyroid medication. I take Armour Thyroid, and haven't had any problems I am aware of. If you are talking about Synthroid or some other synthetic thyroid med, they have all kinds of problems and side effects!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Can anyone recomend a good u.k supplier of D3 and MMS as well for that matter please.

[Swami]

Can anyone recomend a good u.k supplier of D3 and MMS as well for that matter please.

I'll take these, 10000 IU per day:

http://www.super-smart.eu/data/articles/0492.gif

I buy them here:

http://www.super-smart.eu/article.pl?id=0492&lang=nl&fromid=GG132&gclid=CO22x_-1oqQCFRAqDgodH2Mg5g

I had not taken them for the summer.
Couple of weeks ago I had "some" problems with my teeth, three rootcanals in three days.
(Second worst pain I've ever had and some heavy feverattacks...)
I had to take anti-biotics because of the problem.
I decided to start again because the anti-biotics didn't work that well.
Within two days I felt it going better.
Still have some numbness in the place where the infection was but it WAY better than before.

For the MMS I've got the same question. I have MMS 1 but need a bucket of MMS 2....

[Ammit]

Eyes wide open, I use these for my D3 "Bigvits.co.uk"
Never had a problem with them and delivery is fast.

Ammit

[tone3jaguar]

Seemingly backing up Henry Deacons claims that the sun has changed and we are not naturally producing enough D3.....

I went to my local nutritionist. I was talking to him about what I heard that the sun had changed to where we where not making as much D3. He then told me that he has blood work done every month and D3 is one of the things that he has checked. He said that over the last 6 months or so that in order to keep his levels up where he wants them he had to start taking an additional 10,000 IU D3 every day. Going off of this I started taking about 10-15,000 IU of D3 per day.

Guess what happened when I started to do this? I stopped getting sun burned no matter how long I am in the sun. How weird is that?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Thank you for the info guys. I have read that another flu strain is heading out way next year - worse than the last and that normal flu jabs will now have the bird/swine flu vaccine in them too. Check out this thread on OMF: http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8887

[Bill Ryan]

I'll take these, 10000 IU per day:


Just checking what you meant! The dose on the bottle you showed is 1000 IU per tablet or capsule.

If you 'listen', your body will soon tell you how much it needs (and when it doesn't need any more).

For all interested in D3: watch my October 2009 on-stage interview with Gabriele Stähler here. It's a goldmine of detailed information about how it works. According to Gabriele 10,000 IU per day is certainly okay if you're feeling under the weather. Then lower the dose to a maintenance level when you're fine again.


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[Swami]

Just checking what you meant! The dose on the bottle you showed is 1000 IU per tablet or capsule.

So I take 10 a day. Five in the morning during breakfast and five with supper.....
Yes, thats the vid I got the info from and I totally agree with the statement that the body will tell how much one needs.
Reading your post I now realise that I have started taking D3 to late this season. Since I've started I feel way better, another thing learned today.... :thumb:

Edit: I also tried the gelcapsules (from Solgar). Don't know why but those things caused a terrible constipation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic3g8Xnf7LI). Everybody is different and the ones I use now dont give any problems. case of try & error, I guess...

[heyokah]

I personally take the Vitamin D3 drops of Carlson
Much cheaper than pills or capsules.

http://www.carlsonlabs.com/productliterature/ddropscard.pdf

[Grizzom]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4103yBNnLVL._SL500_AA300_PIbundle-47,TopRight,0,0_AA300_SH20_.jpg

http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=13487

http://www.evitamins.com/images/products/20091218_7.jpg

http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=3616

Been useing these since I seen Bills interview with Gabriele Stähler the nice lady doctor from Germany.

Just put em under your tongue and thats it.



PS: I find colloidal silver to be better then antibiotics in most cases. (It really works.if made right)

Here's a great place for info and pieces and parts (I use 7 9v batterys with 10g 99.99 pure silver rods and a 33k ohms resister in line)

http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm

[Snowbird]

It was Bill's Gabriele interview that introduced me to D3. Thank you Bill...and Gabriele.

I've been taking D3 ever since that interview and am easily able to take 10,000 to 15,000 a day. I purchase these from Whole Foods market (their own brand) and I buy them in 5,000 IU, lanolin, 120 soft gels for $10(?).

This with a little capful of silver water every day and some MMS once in a while and now oil pulling, will hopefully get me through this next manmade flu epidemic.

[Snowy Owl]

Please confor to years of work on Vitamin D here - Understanding Vitamin D (http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=2598)

[heyokah]

Thank you so much Snowy Owl, for all the information you have given with this link - Understanding Vitamin D - !!!

[lightseeker]

I have been taking vitamin D3 for several years now. I have read the research on this sunshine pill, and it is amazing. I stopped taking the so called flu vacines three years ago. My life partner has never taken a flu vacine during his entire adult life and has yet to catch influenza. This is a wonderful immune system booster and does so much more for our health..

[Snowy Owl]

My Friends of the Boreal Hemisphere,

The Sun goes around sooner and wakes up later. And in Fall, those clouds.

All lights seems Dimmed.

Now is the time to take vitamine D and D3 and c'mon lets get serious we will need it until we'll change the Time in the Spring Forward, Remember too soon you'll have to change your all pparatis with the clock on, because it will be Time for Fall Backward, you remove an hour.

So pump it up, go get the vitamin D,

By the years the big surfaces knows that we buy our winter vitamin D in October so they make special, look around you'll see... and buy it my Friend.
PS you should save 35%

Snowy Owl

[heyokah]

Thank you Snowy Owl for updating this thread.

The days are shortening again, so time to increase our amount of vit D a bit.
Also a regular visit to a solarium will be of great help.
A good light-therapy as well, to avoid or reduce depression.

And further, a good glas of red wine or beautiful dark-yellow cognac from time to time....
The winter can come !

[Snowy Owl]

Salutations Heyokah

Vitamine D reinforce the membrane of cells thus getting things Harder fur viruses. As you rightly said Vitamine D is recognised at PUBMED and NIH is good for seasonnial depression starting now until en of March because of the Light. The reason that I push hard on D3 for years, is mainly because of Dr, Doherty a Nobel Medicine Laureate in Immunology, so he nows what he is taling about, this wonderfull Australian (He as been recruited at St-Jude Hospital by the team of Dr Webster the Grand-Father of viruses lol

We have two major immunological response

The First are lie the wild army going to the invaders and fight at them
Among them there are a group of Intel Cell that identify the invaders and tranmit infos to the Immune Sytem

Then come the second responses teams, well adapted towards the invader are are more efficient in the fight.

This second Immunological response is boosted by Vitamin D3
March 17th, 2006, 07:09 AM
Snowy Owl
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2598&highlight=vitamin

BTW isolated your window this week-end in Boreal Hemispher
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5944-The-coming-Global-Cooling&p=55562#post55562

Thank You

Snowy

[Seikou-Kishi]

I get my 30min a day...mostly, from the sun, havent had a cold/flu in 7 yrs...

Regards

Ross


I've heard of this phenomenon (though I withhold believing until I've seen it with my own eyes).

Does anybody know whether a 'natural sunlight lamp', as used by those who suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder, is effective at producing vitamin D? I grant I do exaggerate the sun's absence in the UK sky, but not by much.

Thanks

Seikou-Kishi

[heyokah]

I've heard of this phenomenon (though I withhold believing until I've seen it with my own eyes).

Does anybody know whether a 'natural sunlight lamp', as used by those who suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder, is effective at producing vitamin D? I grant I do exaggerate the sun's absence in the UK sky, but not by much.

Thanks

Seikou-Kishi

If your 'natural sunlingt lamp' is a UV sunlamp it also helps with the body's natural Vitamin D production.
http://lightyears2.com/skin_light

And don't put sunscreen on your body !
Even weak sunscreens (SPF=8) block your body's ability to generate vitamin D by 95%.
This is how sunscreen products actually cause disease -- by creating a critical vitamin deficiency in the body.

[conk]

And today we see a story in the press about the dangers of taking too much D. "They" never let up do they? By God, they can't have all this useful information floating freely around the web and world. Gotta conduct a 'study' to show how too much D is dangerous. BULL HOCKEY! The sorry bast**ds!

The body makes up to 20,000 units of Vitamin D when exposed to sunlight for only 15/20 minutes. Their meager 600 units a day is a paltry amount, suitable for only for barely keeping us alive. Take your D folks and enjoy radiant health.

[Kulapops]

I take Vitamin D3 occasionally... bought some from www.beyondhealth.com

Sadly this is only an option now if you live in the states, as they have temporarily stopped shipments because of coniscations going out of customs. Raymond Francis, of 'Never Be Sick Again' is a big fan of taking this stuff. Probably the best anti flu defence, along with echinacea and vit C. I just take a few drops on a spoon if I've got a cold.

Apparently the liver of a polar bear has so much Vit D in it that you would die if you ate it.

One more pointless fact from the K's hindbrain...

;) Stay healthy.. and don't forget your chinese yoga either !

[bashi]

I made a thread on AV1 about how to effectively combat the swine-flue, which is an influenza virus. I made the mistake to upload the pics onto the forum and not to imageshack etc. .
So when the forum was closed, all the pics were not any more showing.
Here two pics which I dug out again:
The first shows the efficiency of the D3 intake in numbers.
The second shows the toxicity of D3. It’s clear that, with an intake of 2000-5000 IU per day, you can completely and safely protect yourself without any danger of overdosing:


http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8337/vitamind.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/vitamind.jpg/)


http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6153/vitamindtoxidity.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/vitamindtoxidity.jpg/)


No side-effects below 30000 IU per day...
This is hard scientific data, tested and cross-checked by MSM, from their "inhouse database".
They wont tell you...

[Zillah]

I love my Vitamin D! Whenever my hubby is in a 'bad' mood, I'll just slip him a Vit D and all is well ;) haha.

[shadowstalker]

Thank you for the info guys. I have read that another flu strain is heading out way next year - worse than the last and that normal flu jabs will now have the bird/swine flu vaccine in them too. Check out this thread on OMF: http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8887

How do they know that a new strain is coming out next yr unless they helped make it.

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I love my Vitamin D! Whenever my hubby is in a 'bad' mood, I'll just slip him a Vit D and all is well ;) haha.

Oh you bad little girl.
maybe i should do the same ....lol

[Zillah]

Oh you bad little girl.
maybe i should do the same ....lol

keep me posted, we might be on to something deliciously evil (but healthy!) ;)

[shadowstalker]

keep me posted, we might be on to something deliciously evil (but healthy!) ;)

No doubt sweety no doubt

[astrid]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/health/30vitamin.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=vitamin%20d&st=cse

interesting that they are trying to say that its harmful....

[Zillah]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/health/30vitamin.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=vitamin%20d&st=cse

interesting that they are trying to say that its harmful....

they will say a lot of things to keep you dependant on the drug industry <3

<insert evil laughter>

[astrid]

yeppers.... esp as Vit d keeps u away from big pharma, been taking it for a year now and don't get any colds or flus. And especially in winter months its fantastic for the winter blues...
They can't have people getting off their anti- depressants now can they... they amount to 95% of all prescriptions written.

[bashi]

"Evidence also suggests that high levels of vitamin D can increase the risks for fractures and the overall death rate and can raise the risk for other diseases. While those studies are not conclusive, any risk looms large when there is no demonstrable benefit. Those hints of risk are “challenging the concept that ‘more is better,’ ” the committee wrote.

That is what surprised Dr. Black. “We thought that probably higher is better,” he said.

He has changed his mind, and expects others will too: “I think this report will make people more cautious.”


LOL for the black humor

[Zillah]

warning!!!! Vit D will make you happy!!!

on that note of 'happiness is danger' ... i just found this:

Girl, 13, gets detention for hugging two friends (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21661718/)

[witchy1]

Thanks for this thread. Now I understand why I gravitate towards the sun bed in winter.


Can anyone recomend a good u.k supplier of D3 and MMS as well for that matter please
www.miraclemineral.co.nz (http://www.miraclemineral.co.nz/) roger ships worldwide. he was recently on the telly trying to stand up for MMS http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/s2010-11-10-video-3883051 (http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/s2010-11-10-video-3883051) and his rebuttal here
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-faenkuo5rk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-faenkuo5rk)
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs7DE61CWm0

[Samurai]

Can anyone recomend a good u.k supplier of D3 and MMS as well for that matter please.

i was able to find 'vitabiotics vitimin d3 optimum strength 1000iu' in packets of 96 tablets off the shelf at tescos, they were on special offer a few months back, so i stocked up.

[avid]

http://www.seeknatural.co.uk/product-1798.html

I have 1000 per day, but in crises take 2 @5000 per day from same company.

[witchy1]

does anyone know if "off the shelf" colliadal silver is useless. I brought some and taking it, and think its making a difference to my general wellbing. Understanding that it probably wont be as potent as fresh, but it could still be effective???????

Also, how does one cure night time leg cramps. My partner suffers terribly from these.

Thank you all healers

W

[kevlor]

WITCHY1

i was considering collidal silver recently, went into the internet and did some reading. turns out, you get the same equivalent amount of this from a normal daily good diet of fruit and vegs. suggestion was, that if your diet was not good enought, then the silver would supplement it.

then later i came across some info that was way more technical, and explained - the "over the shelf" is generally produced at a much lower quality than what can be produced, and the home makeing kits, are all of this lower quality. has to do with the volts and amps of electricity to make it.

the technical part explained that the lower quality product, can in fact cause problems. so it was best to not use the stuff at higher rates than you would other than to supplement your diet. at medicinal rates, the over the shelf becomes too expensive and dangerous to your health. then the expensively produced product comes into its own.

i know this is not very technical and second hand, so my conclusion is - be careful and find out some more about it, before you go "all the hog"with it
... kev

[witchy1]

Thanks Kevlor.............its only 10ppm, so should be ok???? But yes I will do further research

[Snowbird]

does anyone know if "off the shelf" colliadal silver is useless. I brought some and taking it, and think its making a difference to my general wellbing. Understanding that it probably wont be as potent as fresh, but it could still be effective???????

Also, how does one cure night time leg cramps. My partner suffers terribly from these.

Thank you all healers

W

Witchy1, I too suffer from leg cramps if I am not careful to keep up with vitamins and minerals. A deficiency of potassium and possibly magnesium are the two culprits that cause leg cramps. They do hurt. I have found one thing however, that Really helps. Tomato juice and better yet, a V-8 juice equivalent. In other words, this is a vegetable juice(s) in a tomato juice base. I am drinking my daily dose as I write this. This juice is loaded with Potassium and without it, even two days, I'm back to walking the floor in the middle of the night to relieve the pain. The site below is helpful.


A mineral deficiency of calcium and/or magnesium is probably the most frequent cause of night leg cramping.

Cramps are often caused by a lack of potassium, resulting in an electrytic imbalance. Strenuous exercise with sweating and diarrhea or other bowel disease may cause loss of potassium and other important minerals. It is very important to replace them with supplements. Some people get leg cramps at night for no apparent reason. This is called restless legs syndrome.

Another cause may be a deficiency in hesperidin, one of the bioflavonoids (sometimes called vitamin P), naturally occurring nutrients usually found in association with vitamin C. These bioflavonoids, including Hesperidin, Citrin, Rutin, Flavones, Flavonals, Calechin and Quercetin, were found to be essential in correcting the night leg cramps.

http://www.health911.com/cramps_(muscle)

[NancyV]

does anyone know if "off the shelf" colliadal silver is useless. I brought some and taking it, and think its making a difference to my general wellbing. Understanding that it probably wont be as potent as fresh, but it could still be effective???????

Also, how does one cure night time leg cramps. My partner suffers terribly from these.

Thank you all healers. W
I had painful leg cramps for about a year until I started taking natural dessicated thyroid. Seems I was hypo thyroid. I still got cramps a few times a week, not as bad but still uncomfortable, until I discovered that if I eliminated coffee I did not get cramps at all. I was only drinking one cup a day but still it was enough to give me leg cramps, so now I have coffee only once or twice a week.

As far as taking vitamin D, I take 8000 Units a day of D3. Haven't had any type of influenza for a couple of years at least. If you are using the colloidal silver for some type of infection I would suggest that GSE (Grapefruit Seed Extract) might be a good alternative. It is said to be 10 times stronger than silver. I wanted to find an alternative since I turned out to be allergic to colloidal silver, at least the 3 different brands I tried.

Nancy :)

[Ross]

would suggest that GSE (Grapefruit Seed Extract)

Hi NancyV

How would that work with an ear infection? I have one...I use colloidal silver direct into ear canal and it works well, for 2 weeks or so, then the infection returns.

Ross

[witchy1]

Witchy1, I too suffer from leg cramps if I am not careful to keep up with vitamins and minerals. A deficiency of potassium and possibly magnesium are the two culprits that cause leg cramps. They do hurt. I have found one thing however, that Really helps. Tomato juice and better yet, a V-8 juice equivalent. In other words, this is a vegetable juice(s) in a tomato juice base. I am drinking my daily dose as I write this. This juice is loaded with Potassium and without it, even two days, I'm back to walking the floor in the middle of the night to relieve the pain. The site below is helpful.



Thanks so much....isnt it weird how we gravite towards what is best for us. He loves tomato juice and has a banana most days......might give him some Mg as well
W

[NancyV]

Hi NancyV

How would that work with an ear infection? I have one...I use colloidal silver direct into ear canal and it works well, for 2 weeks or so, then the infection returns.

Ross
Hi Ross,

My husband has had an infected tooth for about 2 years but the infection is kept at bay with the GSE. If he stops taking GSE his tooth starts hurting again within a few days. Of course it would be best if he had the tooth pulled but he's trying to put that off a bit longer and the GSE keeps it from getting worse or hurting. So it seems that GSE is good for various infections.

GSE comes in tablets and also in liquid form. I used the liquid to get rid of a small wart on my finger, so we know it's good for that type of virus which is the HPV - Human Papilloma Virus. My husband takes the tablets - 2 in the AM and 2 in the PM. Since it's rather inexpensive it's probably worth a try for your ear infection!

Nancy :)

[Samurai]

does anyone know if "off the shelf" colliadal silver is useless. I brought some and taking it, and think its making a difference to my general wellbing. Understanding that it probably wont be as potent as fresh, but it could still be effective???????


W

from the research have done on colloidal silver, i would only trust the stuff i make myself. i have read that on analysis some off the shelf mixtures have had very little silver content at all, and that the concentration in ppm has been widley variable. personally i feel it is important to be confident in the standard dose that you will be taking, the ONLY way i feel you can do this is to make it yourself, and in teh same way each time, ie same amount of water, same type of water, same temperature at the time of electrolysising, and the same voltage and time of electrolysis, as well as same amount of electrode emersion. it sounds daunting but it is in fact very easy, not only to make but also to build a generator.
A very dear friend of mine bought some off the shelf coloidal and the liquid was completely clear, which rang alarm bells for me, the colour can vary, but in my experience it definately has a colour to it, either a cloudy grey/blue or a yellow to even a deaper orange.
what is important is the size of the particals of silver, if they are too big then you run the risk of the dreaded turning blue (very very rare) and i believe the effectiveness of the solution is impared. by making it yourself with 14swg .9999 silver rods and 3x 9v batteries the partical size is sufficiently small to give you perfect colloidal.
it has been known for people to use fine filings of silver instead of electrolysis, this is not wise at all.
make it yourself, it is the way forward, and you will always have a supply no matter what.
also the cost after set up is so small the water is the most expensive thing. the initial set up is also not expensive at all.

hope this convinces you to try making it yourself.

you can buy all you need on ebay.
there are pleanty of instructions for building a generator online, look at as many sites and ideas/designs as you can and choose the most common, as some methods have been a bit out of sink with the majority.

[MorningSong]

Oh Wow! Look at this folks!!! (I hope this is good news)


Vitamin D targets increased
But some scientists say new recommendations are still way too low
By Nathan Seppa
Web edition : Tuesday, November 30th, 2010


A scientific panel has called for tripling the recommended dietary allowance of vitamin D among people ages 9 to 50 and increasing the amount slightly for people older than that. The committee of scientists, convened by the National Academies' Institute of Medicine, also doubled the upper level of vitamin D that people that age can safely take in any given day from 2,000 international units to 4,000 IU.

The panel also bumped up calcium targets, a less controversial move. The report, requested by the U.S. and Canadian governments, was released November 30.

Vitamin D recommendations hadn’t been changed since 1997. And despite a wave of studies suggesting that the “sunshine vitamin” has benefits going far beyond bone health, the panel restricted its rationale to just that. Apart from aiding bone fitness, the panel said, the benefits of vitamin D “are currently not supported by evidence that could be judged either convincing or adequate.”

“We had to look at the totality of the evidence,” says Patsy Brannon, a molecular nutritionist at Cornell University, who served on the panel making the new recommendations. The panel scoured studies showing vitamin D’s effects on other health problems. “For each of those other health indicators,” Brannon says, “we found very limited randomized control trials.” Such trials, in which similar groups are randomly assigned to get a treatment or not, are considered the gold standard of medical studies. The trials they did find didn’t establish cause and effect or clarify beneficial doses for other conditions, she says.

What’s more, the panel suggested that fears of vitamin D deficiency might be overblown. “Overall, the committee concludes that the majority of Americans and Canadians are receiving adequate amounts of both calcium and vitamin D.”

Vitamin D isn’t a true vitamin but rather a hormone made from skin cells when they are hit by ultraviolet radiation from the sun. Food cannot provide enough unless it is artificially fortified, such as milk. Because of vitamin D’s unique sunshine origin, randomized, controlled trials — the kind IOM noted are lacking — are nearly impossible to do because people cannot be kept out of the sun and their vitamin D levels are difficult to control, says Bruce Hollis, a nutritional biochemist at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston.

The report got a stern rebuke from some well-known vitamin D researchers, who see the increases as woefully inadequate. “This was a big waste of money,” says Hollis. “I agree with their recommendations for the first year of life,” he says, citing the panel's target of 400 IU for infants, a doubling from the previous recommendation. But he was puzzled that this recommendation didn’t extend to the children’s mothers. Despite outweighing infants by ten times or more, he says, women — and men — saw their vitamin D recommended daily intake set at only 600 IU for ages 9 to 70. People over 70 should get 800 IU a day, the panel said.

“Given the [panel’s] superconservative philosophical approach to decision making, the tripling of IU recommendations for people 9 to 50 is pretty good,” says Reinhold Vieth, a nutritionist at the University of Toronto.

But Vieth and others worry that the change won’t be heeded anyway. A person who is deficient in vitamin D could remain deficient getting these recommended amounts, says Michael Holick, a biochemist at Boston University. As a result, many people who are found to be deficient by their doctors will just get prescription supplements to boost their levels, he says.

“I don’t think this does anything to create confidence in IOM recommendations,” says endocrinologist Robert Heaney of Creighton University in Omaha, Neb.

The panel also increased the upper level of vitamin D intake for adults to 4,000 IU, doubling what is essentially the maximum safe daily dose. These new upper-end levels range from 1,000 IU for infants to 3,000 IU for 8-year-olds.

Holick says the new levels could allow some vitamin manufacturers to double the amount of vitamin D in their pills. And food manufacturers might find it easier to fortify products without worrying about pushing a consumer over the daily top-end level.

In setting the upper daily level of 4,000 IU for adults, the panel had to imagine what would happen to people taking that amount for the rest of their lives, says Glenville Jones, a biochemist at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, who served on the panel. While studies suggested that taking more than 10,000 IU a day posed some clear risks, it also seemed possible that taking between 4,000 and 10,000 IU per day did, he says, although those findings were not based on randomized control trials. “We built in a cushion between what we thought was definitely a risk and what we should recommend to the general public,” Jones says.

The IOM panel consisted of 14 scientists who met eight times and reviewed the relevant literature. Hollis openly questioned the composition of the panel. “Anybody who had ever expressed an opinion [on vitamin D] was not allowed anywhere near this committee,” he says.

A draft of the panel’s report did go to 15 other scientists who weren’t on the panel, but these reviewers were not allowed to see the final version. Heaney, who was one of the reviewers, raised a lot of questions with the draft. “We were concerned that our review might be interpreted as approval,” he said. “I certainly do not approve of this report.”

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/66770/title/Vitamin_D_targets_increased

[Snowbird]

I purchase lanolin-based D3 in 5,000 IU and take 2-3 per day.

[avid]

For all of ye olde folks from previous forums - you will know I've been into colloidal silver for ages. It WORKS!!! and so does Vitamin D3 at 1000 iu's per day. This combination has made parents and us germ-free (touch wood) for almost 18 months now - when loads of folk have got viruses etc. No Flu jabs anywhere....
For colloidal silver I have this generator and buy water separately. My OH had swine flu with pleurisy last year - I 'brewed up' and he inhaled some with a special electrical inhalator. Job done - got better very quickly! I've used it on sores/cats/for any infections - but we don't have much probs now with D3 1000 IU per day, and the colloidal silver backup.
I am NOT advertising - but I got my generator here, and the invaluable manual. http://www.thesilveredge.com/.
Great D3 source http://www.seeknatural.co.uk/product-1798.html

[avid]

Reduce dose to 1000iu's per day if you are feeling ok and don't have any diseases!!! Otherwise you are overloading your defenses!!! 10,000 per day is usually for people with severe infections. When folk are desperately ill they have been given 30,000 iu's per day for a very short time. Google iu's and D3 - don't shoot yourself in the foot!!! Keep well :pleasantry:

[NancyV]

There are certainly varying recommendations on the amount of D3 to take. After a lot of research I settled on 8,000 IU a day and it's worked well for several years now with no negative side effects.

Here is a good article by Dr. Mercola: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/10/Vitamin-D-Experts-Reveal-the-Truth.aspx

Among other things he says:

...most adults will need about FIVE THOUSAND units of vitamin D every day. Interestingly, the majority of people I see in my travels that are taking vitamin D are taking 1,000 units, and they believe they are taking “high” doses. Don’t fool yourself, as an adult, you likely need about 5,000 IU’s a day.

...please understand that about 10 percent or more of the people reading this need significantly more than 5,000 units. I have seen people requiring over 30,000 units of vitamin D a day to reach therapeutic levels of 25 hydroxy D in their blood.
As with anything it's important to find what works for you and not believe any one recommendation. Certainly I never believe the government approved recommended amounts for any vitamin or drug.

Nancy :)

[heyokah]

I take 4,000 to 5,000 IU a day in winter. That works very well for me. haven't had any colds or flu for years.
As a matter of fact I can't remember ever having had a real flu in my life.
So maybe I just have a good immune system.

[MorningSong]

Newest Vitamin D Brainwash


Most democracies adhere to the rule of "innocent until proven guilty." But when it comes to vitamin D, this tenet has just been reversed.

"The onus is on the people who propose extra calcium and vitamin D to show it is safe before they push it on people," announced Christopher Gallagher MD, of the Creighton University School of Medicine in Omaha, Nebraska.

Dr. Gallagher is echoing the recent pronouncement from The Institute of Medicine's (IOM) Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) stating that calcium and vitamin D supplements are unnecessary and dangerous.

Huh?

This is in direct contradiction to numerous research studies showing that lower blood concentrations of vitamin D increase the risk of hip fractures in menopausal women by up to 70%.

This was no small study, either. It involved 40,000 participants.

And it is widely known that vitamin D and calcium work synergistically to improve bone health.

What's even more troubling is that the mainstream media is jumping all over the story concluding that, "vitamin D is now dangerous."

And why? Has there been one publicized case of vitamin D toxicity or fatality? Not a single one.

Just the opposite...

Thousands of studies over the past decade show that that higher doses of vitamin D are protective for heart health, brain health, breast health, prostate health, pancreatic health, muscle health, nerve health, eye health, immune health, colon health, liver health, mood health, skin health -- and especially fetal health.

Indeed, low levels of vitamin D actually increase the risk of dying from all causes by 150%, according to findings published in Nutrition Research.

"In addition, a large meta-analysis involving 13,331 men and women published in 2010 known as the Third National Health and Nutritional Examination Survey (NHANES III) confirm that vitamin D supplementation is associated with decreased mortality." These results grabbed headlines around the world when they were published.

Official guidelines are way too low

If you want to optimize your vitamin D levels -- and not just for the bone benefits -- supplementing is crucial. But it's nearly impossible to significantly raise your vitamin D levels when supplementing at the FNB's meager 600 IU/day.

Citing just two of the hundreds of recently published studies on vitamin D: Japanese researchers (Urashima, et. al.) gave 1,200 IU/day of vitamin D3 to Japanese 10-year-olds in a randomized controlled trial for six months. They found the vitamin D dramatically reduced the incidence of influenza A and asthma attacks compared to the placebo group.

Likewise, a randomized controlled study of adults conducted by Professor Joan Lappe at Creighton University showed dramatic improvements in the health of internal organs when more than double the FNB's new recommendations were administered.

An extremely biased and narrow-minded report

Obviously, the FNB committee did not read the recent medical literature or consult today's leading vitamin D researchers.

However, it did read a number of previously written opinions from such luminaries as Professor Robert Heaney of Creighton and Harvard University's Dr. Walter Willett at Harvard, one of the most respected nutritionist in the world.

But incredibly, these opinions were excluded from the new FNB recommendations. And the FNB committee never explained why.

How much vitamin D should you take?

According to Dr. Heaney: "There is an impressive body of scientific evidence supporting levels higher than the IOM panel is currently recommending, and for reasons that are not entirely clear, the panel has discounted that evidence.

"The public needs to know (this) evidence exists so that they can make up their own minds. It's helpful in making those decisions, to know that intakes higher than the IOM recommends are safe. For me, that makes the decision easy. Even if the evidence for a higher intake were uncertain (and I don't believe it is), intakes 2-5 times the IOM recommendations would carry a good chance for benefit at essentially no cost and no risk."

So why the new lower recommendations?

The news of vitamin D's protective benefits have caused sales to soar, growing faster than any supplement, according to The Nutrition Business Journal. Sales rose 82% from 2008 to 2009, reaching $430 million. Is the drug industry green with envy -- or afraid of the competition?

One leading vitamin D authority estimates that higher doses would reduce US cancer costs alone by $50 billion per year -- and I don't believe the drug industry wants to see that happen.

Big Pharma and Big Government have been trying to confiscate our vitamins for decades.

Bad news such as this bogus vitamin D story usually precedes a big legislative push. So keep your eyes open -- and your pen handy.

Jim Healthy is a noted health reporter and author. During his 35-year writing career, Jim has helped break the news about the biggest healing discoveries of the past 30 years, including glucosamine-chondroitin, fish oil, omega-3 foods, and olive oil, as well as the inflammatory effects of eating refined carbs and processed food products. Visit his website at MyHealingKitchen.com

* Important New Vitamin D Research (see link below -MS)

http://preventdisease.com/news/10/122210_vit_D_brainwash.shtml

Please read the additional link: http://preventdisease.com/news/09/120309_important_vit_D_research.shtml

[Tea]

Hello,

Anyone interested in a more natural way to get vitamin D may want to look into cod liver oild or even skate liver oil (nutritionally similar). Even a small amount of cod liver oil can offer 1000IU's of vitamin D, and there are many other important nutrients in cod liver oil. In my opinion, this traditional western superfood deserves more attention.

[shybastid]

Agreed.... However... Those capsules I've taken have a tendency to "revisit" your tastebuds more then once ,with an old mackeral at the fishmarket flavor.
I've tryed quite a few varieties too.
I think MMS and Fish vitamins are pretty close in a heat for worst tasting.

[heyokah]

As I started this thread with this quote:

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible." - Bertrand Russell

I think this video is at it's place.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIhNyX3pRrk

[observer]

Chuckle, chuckle, chuckle, heyokah, and very 'right on the money' !!!