A Lost Cause

[Freed Fox]

Adjusting and reflecting on my frame of mind, I would like to pose a question to you all.

Is there such a thing as a lost cause?

This is a thing which ensnares, entraps, and enslaves. It deceives us and divides us. It sucks your soul and it wastes your time.

It is the world you want to save.

And yet, there are those who are complacent with it, and those who are complicit in it. These tend to be the most wealthy and powerful among us. Even more astoundingly, there are those who would fight and die in order to preserve it just the way it is. These tend to be those who are unwitting victims of the very system they defend.

Now, I'm starting to wonder if taking things on one at a time is a luxury we can no longer afford. I know that is the most sensible and manageable approach in most situations. Despite how long it has been gestating and manifesting, this is an unprecedented situation in that it has never existed to later be dismantled.

That is, of course, unless it has, and the thing which dismantled it was the obliteration of that society and any remnant thereof.

I am not an anarchist. Though, I also wouldn't claim with any conviction that it couldn't work. It's just that when I think 'anarchy', some very unpleasant scenarios immediately come to mind.

A tragic reality is that, even if we wanted to, there is no returning to hunter-gatherer or even agrarian models, because the resources available simply wouldn't sustain it. To be perfectly blunt, 7 billion is just too many people, packed too closely together in many places.

Transhumanism is a looming possibility that would actually address many of the more physical/biological concerns that we face. However if the same social, psychological, and spiritual conundrums plague us then as they do now, then indeed Transhumanism would be one small step for the elite, and one giant leap for the ideals of division, inequality, and perpetual servitude.

Of course, we are still spiritual beings. No 'powers that be' have conceived of a way to take that away from us. We are fortunate in that regard. I am a believer in the transcendent quality of the soul (or spirit, or whatever you choose to call it), and therefore the silver lining is that we have that, and we can find peace within, even in light of the darkest external circumstances.

If you are in any way familiar with Vivek's 'Technological Revolution' thread, however, you are probably vaguely aware of the fact that this might not always be the case. If you believe in psy-ops, then the case can be even more firmly made; TPTB will seek ever more elaborate and sophisticated means by which they can control us, and we might not always be able to count on the solidarity of the human spirit.



While I continue to go within, to work on the issues therein, I keep a wandering eye on the issues without. I seek to find my place in a real solution, if indeed one can exist. If indeed the world without is not a lost cause.


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How do you follow your heart, when it is being pulled in every direction?

[Orph]

How do you follow your heart, when it is being pulled in every direction?Not sure your true heartcenter can be pulled in every direction. Wouldn't that be a case of your ego-heart-self being yanked around? I was of the impression that your true higher-self-heart is quite stable just as it is. Or, maybe I'm just talking a bunch of esoteric b.s.. I'm kind of lost in this world. :lol:

[Freed Fox]

That would be the solidarity of spirit that I was referring to (though perhaps that isn't the best term to use). At least so far as it pertains to me, when I am centered is when I am looking within, and kind of disregarding the external problems that seem to be abound. There may be something to that, but the fact is when I consider how to contribute to society or be 'a part of the solution', I can't single anything out. All I see is a mess of interconnected webs. Malignancy which has metastasized to virtually every organ.

I hope the OP doesn't come across as too pessimistic, or self-defeatist. For the record, I don't personally believe it is a lost cause. I am, however, unconvinced that anything but a systemic approach can cure us of this disease.

I am encouraged that there seems to be a number of right-minded people out there, however scattered. Avalon serves to exemplify that, to some degree. I am afraid, though, that there is also an underestimation of just how many others who are not only 'hypnotized', but utterly dedicated to the illusion (so to speak).

[Youniverse]

A higher truth would be that there is no world to save. When we realize the world is an illusion and we create our own reality by our own thought, words, and actions, a shift takes place. Ken wilbur says a deeper realization of the higher truth that we are all one tends to put a damper on any kind of activism. For me, my heart is only pulled toward love. Trust in God or your version of All That Is and have faith that an answer will come. We can only do what we do, work on ourselves and help our fellow man or woman.

[Gekko]

The way I see it, there's no beating the 'elite' at their own game. If they have even half the power attributed to them in the priority threads, they would have long since made provisions for any avenues of resistance. That includes ones borne out of hard logic. Protests, lawmaking, foreign policy etc... those clever and ill-willed enough will always find a way to outsmart any system or effort in place, no matter how many safeguards there are. It's just a game to them.

So maybe we have the option of dropping the game in favor of something more original. Exploring areas of personal experience that others have overlooked. Getting creative with it. Introducing a few doses of spontaneity. Ditching the popular narratives. This isn't a new idea, there was much of this type of freedom-loving rabble-rousing last year on the forum.

Of course, we're still bound by necessities such as food and water, shelter... is it possible to continue this sort of exploration while these things are threatened? Well, it seems that this wouldn't even be a problem if people warmed to the possibility of something completely new and unrestrained. Because most of the imprisoning is done by ourselves rather than that 1%.

Vague, I know... just thinking out loud here.

[Chester]

How do you follow your heart, when it is being pulled in every direction?Not sure your true heartcenter can be pulled in every direction. Wouldn't that be a case of your ego-heart-self being yanked around? I was of the impression that your true higher-self-heart is quite stable just as it is. Or, maybe I'm just talking a bunch of esoteric b.s.. I'm kind of lost in this world. :lol:

As far as that "heart" thing goes, I am "multi-polar" which makes bi-polar look like nursery school... and I am speaking of my "true heart" and perhaps explains why I have incarnated in hell's hell (earth 2013).

[Hazel]

Hope as a principle, maybe the only fundamental opposition to self/other dissolution of belief/faith. Am not advocating blind hope/faith.. but do recommend that attending with the flags and threads of experiential knowing that resonate and build our/your personal tool kit of survival are the Holy ground upon which we find our mantras for confluence with matters that otherwise may confound and overwhelm.

A basic response to your question maybe, but core to my understanding(s) about resilience..

If ALL worlds are but illusion, 'common sense' may only abide in ones personal orbit in relation to the rest. Perhaps ultimately self-reliance and self sovereignty is the key..
then
So be it..

[SKAWF]

i mean this with all sincerity.

i think it is a test of any good soul, that they can walk on this world amid all this corruption
and still maintain their integrity.

i think that there are some who are so far gone that it would be a monumental task to get them back.
not impossible though.

the question is, how far will you stray from your own path in order to help them.

and even then.... do they want the help?

you can lead a horse to water.... but you cant make it drink.

a little while ago.... i gave up trying.

i am happy that over the years a few people that i know have woken up.
maybe a little bit due to me persistantly banging on about whats really happening in the world
but i have lost more friends through it, than have been helped.

each has their own path.

right now, and after having put the effort in,
its time to stick with those who are awake.

the rest are dead weight.

and they are in for a massive shock.

they cant say that no one told them.

[Hazel]

Determination about what is deemed 'a lost cause' and what is to be done or not done regards it.. where does that come from?
What is contingent to 'a lost cause'?

Are such things defined at the outset in purely singular definition(s)? Do we blinker ourselves or implode things out of existence in the vacuum we create for things that don't fit our world view?
When theres a causal confluence of energies from many, does the tidal wave drown unseen potentialities in even whats deemed most facile? What momentum evidently once present, fizzled and how, then why?

Again.. maybe I'm sounding tiresome, simple and unhelpful
but am sharing what has arisen for me as it may engender some useful responses for me, at least
which I would be grateful for

[Freed Fox]

Vague, I know... just thinking out loud here.

Not a problem at all. The same can be said about my original post, and I suppose that's the goal of this thread. A creative thought from one person, however vague, can inspire a new idea from another.

I was worried, after posting this, that it would be seen as too negative. I'm glad to see it met with genuine positivity. There is already some creativity flowing here, I think.

Thanks, everyone.

[Chester]

A higher truth would be that there is no world to save. When we realize the world is an illusion and we create our own reality by our own thought, words, and actions, a shift takes place. Ken wilbur says a deeper realization of the higher truth that we are all one tends to put a damper on any kind of activism. For me, my heart is only pulled toward love. Trust in God or your version of All That Is and have faith that an answer will come. We can only do what we do, work on ourselves and help our fellow man or woman.

Thanks for this one - this rings truest for me as the way... if only I could always remain in it.

[Freed Fox]

I want to quickly point out something that I came across today, which served as one of the inspirations for this thread;

World's 100 Richest Could End Global Poverty 4 Times Over (http://www.trueactivist.com/worlds-100-richest-could-end-global-poverty-4-times-over/)

And a quote, from Carl Sagan;



There are not yet obvious signs of extraterrestrial intelligence, and this makes us wonder whether civilizations like ours rush inevitably into self-destruction. I dream about it . . . and sometimes they are bad dreams.

[Youniverse]

Maybe some wisdom from Eckhart Tolle can help here. He speaks about the power of surrender, then he clarifies that it is not surrender in the popular usage of the word. It is a surrendering to what IS. I think this relates to the suchness of what is. I know from experience that reflecting on this wisdom has brought me peace and serenity, even when it seems there is complete chaos and insanity all around me. Surrender has power in it. It's not about 'giving up,' it's about ending the fighting and suffering and struggle. Tolle also says that you cannot fight your way to peace because even if you win, the negative ego energy just continues in you instead of your enemy. You become the monster you set out to destroy. Then what you resist, persists. In the end we will outwait and outlast those that are asleep. So patience is vital IMO. It's like a slow, steady chopping away, chopping away, until one day, the tree comes crashing down. In the meantime I will use whatever story that inspires me, that I enjoy, and then I'll drop it completely for an even newer story that expresses the higher good more fully. I understand the anticipation of profound change and impatience with the status quo. Change is here to stay however, we are the change and this feeling won't go away until it is fulfilled. Then a new goal and a new glory will start the drive all over again.

[gripreaper]

Well, let me wax poetic Freed Fox. First, let me say, you are very awake for your generation, and it is no accident that you have chosen to be incarnate at this time in human history.

You see, from a human perspective, the illusion does look very daunting, as we walk through the valley of the shadow of death, and experience through our five senses. The utter perfection the elite now have on the matrix of all that is, with their new scalar technology for mind control and such, is daunting. Going to battle with them on this level "is" a lost cause, as you have postulated. The very context of "doing battle" is divisive, polarized, and part of the hierarchical context from which they have educated us into viewing our plight contextually.

But we know we are souls, as Gekko stated (you were very clear by the way), is a perspective which gives us a viewpoint and a context that sees experience as transient, results as metaphor, and situations as malleable. Yes, in our meditative state we can experience bliss, and realize that all is well and that the evolutionary process of creation has extreme polarities, and "it's all good" in a big picture sort of way, while the baby cries, the body stinks and is in need of a sandwich right away.

This is the paradox. One the one hand, those who are awake have asked the question: Why in hell did I incarnate on this planet at this time? when in fact they intuitively know the answer: because I want to have an influence on the outcome of the collective dream, the return to wholeness fully conscious as a fractal of the supreme all that is. And rest assured, the seeds you are planting are bearing fruit, regardless of when, where, or how they were planted, or whether you water them or not.

I've got 40 years on you: of beating my head against the wall, and planting seeds. All I can say is: it's been one hell of a ride, and it's getting stranger each day, while at the same time, it's never been more clear: that duality and it's extreme polarizations is a symptom of birth pangs, a necessary adjunct to moving to higher consciousness, in the spiral of time. It's not a linear projection. That is based on flawed physics. It's a conical spiral and has patterns which seem to return to old outmoded and useless ways as it progresses, as if to take one final look at the absurdity of such a structure.

While consciousness is expanding, and more and more people are awakening with the advent of the internet, so too is the extreme polarization and drama craziness increasing as well. It took us 16.4 BILLION years to get to this point, so don't expect evolutionary creation to fit any particular timeline, or time-frame. The age of Pisces is 2,100 years, and that's just one 12th of one precession. Each of us has probably had over 300 incarnations, and we learn very slowly, embedding energies in our eternal DNA light matrix. The body is like a 5 year old kid when it comes to experience.

But, the collective dream, is to be able to hold the fullness of all energy, all light, all creation, all knowing, all wisdom, IN A PHYSICAL BODY, and experience it all as bliss. We came up with this idea as a collective. WE agreed to the extreme polarizations as part of the experience. You see, from the perspective of the soul, it's all just experience, this is just one lifetime, and the overall dream is in all of us, and earth is the school.

I know I chose to be here at this time, although I have days where I wonder what in the hell was I thinking. I also know, I'm a Bodhisattva, which means I have been here since the beginning of this collective dream, and agreed to stay in this density and this dream till the last soul has returned to source and is complete. I sometimes have days where I think, why in the hell did I decide to do that? My body is miserable here a lot of the time. I'm not a fully integrated or enlightened being, I still have aspects of my etheric light body which are disconnected, severed, and not brought into wholeness. I don't know how long it will take, or how many incarnations are left for me, even though I long to go home at times, or what that concept of "home" really looks and feels like. I'm not "Unique" in any respects.

I plant seeds, embrace experience, and remain grateful. I "do" what I can, and I also "be" what I can. This is the balanced middle road the buddha talked about. As a human, in this density, without the benefit of conscious memory of all my DNA experience from all my incarnations, with hunger, cold, and stink, that's the best I can do and be.

[christian]

I see only two types of lost causes:

causes that you're giving up on
causes that go against the purpose of life itself


To be perfectly blunt, 7 billion is just too many people, packed too closely together in many places.

I think we have the resources and technological means to sustain that number of people just fine. But I could imagine that the current world population would naturally decrease if people in general would be living more consciously and without all the corrupt systems in place today that purposefully stall human development.


Transhumanism is a looming possibility that would actually address many of the more physical/biological concerns that we face.

It could adress many problems, but as you speculated, spiritual problems won't be solved by sheer machine technology. Technology can always serve as an aid, but relying on it too heavily just cripples us, when we disregard our very innate potential. I personally think that our soul/spirit - when we really work on and with it - let's all the fancy transhumanistic technology look pathetic.

In my opinion, transhumanism is about a dehumanization agenda meant to create a world of super-powered machine masters (who in turn serve their masters wittingly or unwittingly) and functioning machine slaves, who still are still 'human' enough though to generate the type of etheric energy that the parasitic class feeds off of.


How do you follow your heart, when it is being pulled in every direction?

Withstand the pulling and be assured that it's your prerogative to be loyal to what's at the bottom your heart. If you're saying that you're not entirely sure what your heart actually wants, then that's fine. Even if that's the case, in every single moment you have to make decisions. Many people are terrified and escape into all sorts of compulsive behavior to avoid dealing with this great power and responsibility. Being really sovereign and self-responsible demands from you to make your personal choices firmly, not because you're 100% sure, but because it's your responsibility to make choices and act. Don't be shy about that, we're all here on this earth with the power to create and shape ourselves and our environment, consciously using that power is what makes a difference. Just give it your best shot, but make sure that it's your shot.

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[AutumnW]

Goodness, kindness, compassion, innovation will triumph--because it is necessary for our survival. People are being worn down by dire scenario predictions that, imho, won't come to pass. Many of these predictions are based on extrapolations from where we are now--when in fact--there is never a straight line trajectory from today into tomorrow. Human consciousness is far more dream like, amorphous and subject to rapid shifts than we can comprehend.

The only dire scenario I feel coming is for those who refuse to change, who cling to the notion that they are masters of the universe and expect the world to revolve around them. The planet is not subject to the dictates of the egos of the misinformed and or wilfully ignorant. It will revolve-- but over them, not around them. They will be well and truly flattened into compliance or non-being.

[gripreaper]

Thanks Christian. Very precise and right on. The "thanks" button just wasn't enough.

[Chester]

I want to quickly point out something that I came across today, which served as one of the inspirations for this thread;

World's 100 Richest Could End Global Poverty 4 Times Over (http://www.trueactivist.com/worlds-100-richest-could-end-global-poverty-4-times-over/)

And a quote, from Carl Sagan;



There are not yet obvious signs of extraterrestrial intelligence, and this makes us wonder whether civilizations like ours rush inevitably into self-destruction. I dream about it . . . and sometimes they are bad dreams.

Funny - I posted exactly this just about 1 or so months back and I got almost zero response on this forum. I found a study that showed how it seems like 20 billion dollars a year could end worldwide hunger. I then showed the estimated wealth of the top 100 wealthiest people on earth and showed how if they invest just 10% of their wealth in a conservative set of investments and that the income from these investments were given to this cause, they would make far more than needed to end world hunger and would, of course, create a legacy for themselves that may (if we don't destroy ourselves first) be considered the single greatest achievement ever for humanity for centuries (unless we also figure out how to end war and unnecessary poverty).

What was sad for me is how I got virtually no response in this forum which I believe has some of the most caring and enlightened humans on earth as members. terribly disappoinng IMO.

[christian]

What was sad for me is how I got virtually no response in this forum which I believe has some of the most caring and enlightened humans on earth as members. terribly disappoinng IMO.

What is more important to you, the response you get or the response the info gets? ;)

Anyways. I figure it's good to be aware of that, but it's not really news that fixing the world is actually not that hard, when it comes to resources that are abundantly there, whether financially or otherwise. It only lacks focus.

I didn't see that post of yours anyways... :hat:

[gripreaper]

What was sad for me is how I got virtually no response in this forum which I believe has some of the most caring and enlightened humans on earth as members. terribly disappoinng IMO.

What is more important to you, the response you get or the response the info gets? ;)

Anyways. I figure it's good to be aware of that, but it's not really news that fixing the world is actually not that hard, when it comes to resources that are abundantly there, whether financially or otherwise. It only lacks focus.

I didn't see that post of yours anyways... :hat:

No post shall become viral until it's time. Many of us have experienced the same phenomenon, and later someone else posts the same info, and it goes viral. It is up to us to plant seeds, not to water them.

[Chester]

What was sad for me is how I got virtually no response in this forum which I believe has some of the most caring and enlightened humans on earth as members. terribly disappoinng IMO.

What is more important to you, the response you get or the response the info gets? ;)

Anyways. I figure it's good to be aware of that, but it's not really news that fixing the world is actually not that hard, when it comes to resources that are abundantly there, whether financially or otherwise. It only lacks focus.

I didn't see that post of yours anyways... :hat:

Interesting that my post came across as about me when the intention was to point out the fact of the truth of it. And then the fact so few seemed to see how pathetic those who happen to have the actual financial wherewithal to make this difference for humanity - and in fact just 100 people, cannot get together to do the obvious.. Hopefully this clarifies the point i was trying to make.

Hopefully you, Christian, and some of the other actually clued in posters here may have noticed a massive drop in my posts. That is because, being a.) a psychopath (a full blown one by the way who has chosen to do my best to be in positive, right relationship with all and the All) and b.) one who is easily susceptible to massive ego driven self consumption has been doing by far more reading then writing of late.

The posts alone in this thread - especially yours and Grip's are the ones I do my best to absorb and assimilate into my being. I do not believe all psychopaths are irredeemable but maybe that is just because I am hoping to achieve consistent redemption so my family and loved ones get something positive out of my existence.

And I hope to assist in the ending of the practice of human and animal ritual sacrifice in the process as this practice is ongoing and, in my opinion, is the key practice that holds the overall energetic fields of the physical based, earth born human beings in actual living hell.

In fact, Christian, your post specifically along with some new and inexplicable ability I have recently obtained where I stopped reacting immediately to difficult experiences has caused me to rethink my response to an attack I experienced yesterday from my own mother. Fred Steeves' post to me about that also helped... and Grips did in his follow up post above pointing out that when its time, its time.

I am going to take the high road with my Mom, let a little time go by and then do my best to allow her the right to live in her illusion as... when it is time for her spirit to wake up, then it will be time.

[Freed Fox]

Some great wisdom to dwell upon, particular thanks to christian and gripreaper.

Justone, I missed the post you mentioned as well. I suppose important pieces sometimes fall through the cracks, even here.


...just 100 people, cannot get together to do the obvious..

I believe that empathy is often born from suffering. When we have suffered greatly, it comes to be a part of our character; that we should choose to alleviate the suffering in others. We are compelled to help, without the expectation of receiving something in return.

So perhaps for this reason it seems obvious to us, and not to them.

Some suffering can be essential to learn, develop, and grow... and to gain empathy, as stated. Excessive suffering, however, is largely unnecessary and a severe hindrance to millions of individuals. That is where poverty at large comes in, in my opinion.

There was a short period in my life a few years ago, when I genuinely did not know when or if my next meal would come. From that I learned, among other things, how limited life can seem (not to mention, the prospect of any future) when you are forced to focus on merely surviving. If we could end poverty, even if it was only a temporary reprieve for some, I'm certain that we would see some immensely positive outcomes beyond the improvements in quality of life.

There are innumerable cultural and societal contributions one could make, if they were granted the time, energy, and focus they normally have to direct toward survival, because they lack the essentials for life and health. Just consider the healing that could take place in the collective consciousness alone, when there are no more people sleeping in the streets, or dying of starvation.

I would like to understand the root of all the greed and apathy that prevents this from happening. Then again, I fear just how wicked those roots may be.

[Selene]

I think one of the possible issues here, FreedFox, is that we naturally tend to ‘keep score’ on the outcomes – or probable outcomes – of events, in this case the future of our planet and human civilization. And this is, indeed, a matter that keeps many of us awake at night.

But we don’t, in reality, actually know what constitutes winning or losing in the long run. Nobody actually tells us what is the highest and best outcome; we have made our own assumptions, set our own hurdles and win/lose markers.

And we could be wrong.

We do not know the ultimate outcome of our own actions; we cannot know what the flap of the butterfly’s wing will set into motion. We can only trust that our actions have meaning and our good intentions shall not go unrecognized nor unheard.

In this sense, it is vital to work with full commitment and do our best – but after that, to let go of the results. The outcome is not – and never will be – in our hands. We will do what we perceive to be the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do. After that, we will have done all we can.

And the outcome will be as it is meant to be.

The journey ahead will be interesting, at least. And we have no way of knowing how much we can accomplish, except by doing. As Gripreaper very wisely commented:


It is up to us to plant seeds, not to water them.

I hope this is helpful.

Regards,

Selene

[Youniverse]

I think one of the possible issues here, FreedFox, is that we naturally tend to ‘keep score’ on the outcomes – or probable outcomes – of events, in this case the future of our planet and human civilization. And this is, indeed, a matter that keeps many of us awake at night.

But we don’t, in reality, actually know what constitutes winning or losing in the long run. Nobody actually tells us what is the highest and best outcome; we have made our own assumptions, set our own hurdles and win/lose markers.

And we could be wrong.

We do not know the ultimate outcome of our own actions; we cannot know what the flap of the butterfly’s wing will set into motion. We can only trust that our actions have meaning and our good intentions shall not go unrecognized nor unheard.

In this sense, it is vital to work with full commitment and do our best – but after that, to let go of the results. The outcome is not – and never will be – in our hands. We will do what we perceive to be the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do. After that, we will have done all we can.

And the outcome will be as it is meant to be.

The journey ahead will be interesting, at least. And we have no way of knowing how much we can accomplish, except by doing. As Gripreaper very wisely commented:


It is up to us to plant seeds, not to water them.

I hope this is helpful.

Regards,

Selene

Yes! It's called trusting in God! This is why so many spiritual teachers tell us to take comfort in the higher truth that everything is as it needs to be all the time. I was thinking after my earlier comment about surrendering to what IS, that I needed to remind myself of that besides offering it to others. After reflecting on its simple truth I immediately began feeling more at ease. It's a great paradox! In order to change the world we have to surrender to it. Again, this kind of surrender does not mean admitting to defeat, it means non-resistance from every part of your being to what obviously is SO, while at the same time working to change it. It only appears to be a paradox because of the limits of dualistic thinking. At any rate, it seems to me that this is also what people like Ken Wilbur or Thomas Hubl are talking about in integrating your shadow self and your light body. Accepting those negative elements within us and honouring them, all the while transcending them to a higher frequency. With all this talk about lost causes and the power and corruption of the PTB and how can we ever overcome that? Let's take a step back to a piece of wisdom from one of my favourite books "Conversations With God," where it is said that ultimately this is a no-fail gig. None of us will fail to find our way back to Source. Guaranteed. And it doesn't really matter how many corrupt elitests there are spoiling our picnic, it will all work out in the end. That which represents a higher truth or higher frequency will always win out in the end. The only reason why some people seem to think, speak, and act otherwise is that they have forgotten this truth.