The dead thread (unnecessary misery)

[Chester]

Hi, this thread is DOA.

The reasons are many but I will attempt to clearly and properly state the primary reason why this thread is, indeed, dead on arrival.

Few if anyone on planet earth have the guts to go into the true depths of the matters that result in the lovely world we experience physically, emotionally, psychically, spiritually and that we observe and consider mentally.

On Avalon there have been a sizable sample of the membership who have plunged into the actual nitty gritty. All too often though either the OP creator and/or the many who bravely posted responses end up descending into a snake fight.

This thread is a testament to what appears to be our acceptance (though we pretend and then state otherwise) of our current human condition.

Although this hope is that this OP explores the nitty gritty while we consciously, collectively and successfully avoid casting our venom at each other. If this thread goes anywhere... I only ask we check our egos at the door while simultaneously maintaining common courtesy without sacrificing serious, in depth (nitty gritty) commentary and exchange.

I now go back to preparing my first offering for conversation on "The dead thread."

[Fred Steeves]

Cool, I like the "nitty gritty" Chester. So what is we are discussing my brother? I promise not to bite. :hippie:

[Hervé]

...

rip

[jagman]

Supposedly you can put a little urine under your tongue to counter the snake bite.
:crazy:

[GoodETxSG]

Who's...
Urine or Myine? :whoo:


Supposedly you can put a little urine under your tongue to counter the snake bite.
:crazy:

[Calz]

Man I really s*ck when it comes to serious threads ...

Was totally convinced this would be a dead head thread ... instead??? :doh:

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Grateful_Dead_Tophat_Skull_Black_Shirt.jpg

[Chester]

Hahaha wow...

OK, Thanks, Fred, for the interest and I know you won't bite too hard or if you do, won't hang on and shake me side to side like I have had the tendency to do in the past... I have recently raised my level (as hopefully some observed through my recent brief "clown stage). It is funny too, because part of what I had hoped to bring up relates to my occasional past (poor) forum behavior, specifically that moment I jumped on one of our members, Arrowwind, which you directly pointed out and because of which I went directly to "the mirror" to see what I needed to see.

That resulted in me realizing that I still had massive, personal work to do before I pretend I have the ability to walk the walk I preach consistently.

I am now taking the risk that I can.

And then my friend, Amzer Zo, reads the eulogy... hahaha.

I guess folks better start saving their urine? Or can we commit to striving to avoid the need for such?

I would like to ensure folks here that there will be two hats I will wear in this thread - Hat 1 is to stimulate dialogue on the most difficult subjects and Hat 2 will be worn when (if) discussion here descends into what we might all see as unnecessary forms of personal attack. Of course, those who read and/or participate in this thread will have to forgive the participants (especially "moi") of coming across as some "knower" so I will set the record straight right now.

I know I am.

Everything else is simply speculation and exploration.

I will create some subjects to discuss and generate assumptions related to those subjects.

I hope we can honor all points of view as long as those points of views are nothing but direct personal attacks or veiled attacks such as can be done though subtly.

I was inspired to begin this thread and place it under General to draw the most attention to these subjects that some amongst what we might call "the overall earth born human family" may be involved in activities known as "human" and "animal" "sacrifice."

Yes... I know most folks here wish this to remain discussed solely in the Horus-Ra thread, but it is my opinion that this practice (do note I am not saying "Satanism"... I am speaking of this purported specific practice which some suggest is practiced by Satanists but that I contend can be practiced by anyone who is drawn to it whether they are an observer of that specific religion or any other religion which employs this practice or have no religion at all whatsoever in their conscious life).

Why is this revolting subject so important to me? Because I believe that this subject, if properly and carefully explored, could prove to be the single most significant factor in the generation of the state of planet earth in 2013 than any other specific cause.

The reason that would be important to me is because before I became aware of the possibility of this practice occurring in this day and age I consented to acts that I knew could result in the bringing of a spirit being into a physical human body. This occurred at least 4 times (maybe more as I have suspicions I fathered a child when I was 21 and "her" parents hid her and the baby from me). I have three known, live children at this time as I lost the first known child due to a miscarriage back in 1990.

I also am married for my second time to Cristina (see my profile pic) who has a daughter who is 15 and calls me Papa.

I also happen to have a true care for children in general and to express this properly, this includes all of us as well as myself.

Due to this care, I feel compelled to leave a better world to our children. Because of this compulsion and because I believe the practice of human/animal sacrifice represents the root cause (expression) of why this planet is so absolutely screwed up for the vast majority of living human beings and the vast number of non human animals and because I believe we are capable of resolving the issues of this practice, globally end this practice or come to the conclusion we must simply accept that we cannot stop the practice (all assuming this practice actually occurs) I am attempting to take this subject to the discussion stage.

So the first step is, can we assume this practice actually occurs (perhaps some may actually know it occurs first hand... I don't)?

If we can accept this assumption, we can have the discussion.

Perhaps at the end of the day (especially if this thread dies the immediate death I, as an odds maker by trade, predict... and the odds are all but 100% it will), the discussion could lead to solid possibilities as to how not only can the 100th monkey be reached where the tide might officially be turned, but that victims (which from this point of view includes the active participants and the active instigators) are included within the entire global, earth born sentient "beinghood" can experience final and unrevisitable relief such that our children inherit the world they deserve.

[spiritguide]

The thread has a pulse, not DOA at this time. The misuse of human energy is a key factor in this system of negativity. Take for example energy vampires who suck energy from one using fear. Is this happening? My bet is yes and more each day through the media. Just a part of the story to be told. Ball in play!

[Chester]

The thread has a pulse, not DOA at this time. The misuse of human energy is a key factor in this system of negativity. Take for example energy vampires who suck energy from one using fear. Is this happening? My bet is yes and more each day through the media. Just a part of the story to be told. Ball in play!

Great point and thus it is imperative that the subjects tossed around in this thread are not presented "fearfully." For this reason, if you (a reader and/or thread participant) are prone to being "triggered" and sinking into any fear, then, please, do not read this thread and do not post in this thread.

This thread is to be a thread of exploration as to all factors that play into the plethoric manifestation of unnecessary misery - a manifestation the vast majority amongst us experience without our consent - without consent at the level of our conscious decision making. I hope we also can explore the likelihood that are true, actual history has been hidden, distorted and outright falsely represented by consciously complicit descendents as well as some amongst us now.

Its my opinion that the worst of the worst amongst us have our collective understanding that "they" inherited their role... thus the deeper point I am making is that if we are going to rid ourselves of the impetus and catalyst of this manifestation of what I can only call "abject cluelessness" which has resulted in world most of us experience today on earth - an impetus which I have also concluded does not originate in physicality... it only manifests there, we must see us all as "one." A view I know just about every single person on earth does not share and likely most on Avalon do not share.

But I see no other view "we" could adopt that could, at the end of the day, create the result the vast majority desires, which is the banishment of unnecessary suffering which can be determined if we consider what is acceptable.

It is unacceptable that a tiny group of physical beings deceptively feed upon the absolute misery of the masses, especially to the level of human/animal sacrifice and pedophilia as that holds us ALL energetically in prison besides the obvious violation of another physically manifested spirit being.

I also firmly believe that no matter who you are on earth today, if you are a participant in these activities in any form (even if you are simply a head turner), you do not want to pass this legacy onto your children nor the collective of children, the generation we leave behind us.

A member of Avalon just passed me this link - it is a fantastic link - the speaker at around 27:00 makes a great great point about "fear" and just now... at the 30 minute mark, this speaker (I don't even knows who he is) makes the exact same point I am making here as to what we hand our children!

9XttXhxYIKI

Thanks "friend" for this link at this time! Uncanny synchronicity.

[blake]

Hello justoneman,

I guess what you are asking to comment on, in a way, is why do people do bad things? My conclusion is that they do bad things because it is programmed into human nature to do bad things. We can't seem to get away from it as a specie.

The history of human and animal sacrifice has always interested in me, and yet few are willing to discuss it. Somehow it appears people like to think it is a practice of the ancient past and yet, horrifyingly, it is still practiced.

I would say more,but I am out the door.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[AutumnW]

Supposedly you can put a little urine under your tongue to counter the snake bite.
:crazy:

Did you read that in the Wall Street Urinal?

[norman]

I see two prongs to this.

On one side there is the notion that "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled off was convincing us that he/she doesn't exist".

On the other side there is the alleged full on Satanist practices by a certain subgroup of humanity. Obviously he hasn't convinced them that he doesn't exist.


I'm usually more concerned about the first prong. I sometimes get a bad feeling from people who, on the face of it, are passing themselves off as really 'nice' and 'spiritual' and 'educated'. I sometimes have to put up a real struggle to avoid being sucked into something emanating from them, even if they themselves are not consciously aware of it or are perhaps just not experienced enough to discern that not all smiles are truly from goodness.

[AutumnW]

Hello justoneman,

I guess what you are asking to comment on, in a way, is why do people do bad things? My conclusion is that they do bad things because it is programmed into human nature to do bad things. We can't seem to get away from it as a specie.

The history of human and animal sacrifice has always interested in me, and yet few are willing to discuss it. Somehow it appears people like to think it is a practice of the ancient past and yet, horrifyingly, it is still practiced.

I would say more,but I am out the door.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Could you tell me more about this. Human sacrifice as ritual, I mean. I have read a little about it and don't doubt at all that it happens.

[AutumnW]

I see two prongs to this.

On one side there is the notion that "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled off was convincing us that he/she doesn't exist".

On the other side there is the alleged full on Satanist practices by a certain subgroup of humanity. Obviously he hasn't convinced them that he doesn't exist.


I'm usually more concerned about the first prong. I sometimes get a bad feeling from people who, on the face of it, are passing themselves off as really 'nice' and 'spiritual' and 'educated'. I sometimes have to put up a real struggle to avoid being sucked into something emanating from them, even if they themselves are not consciously aware of it or are perhaps just not experienced enough to discern that not all smiles are truly from goodness.

Could you expand on this a bit? Do you sense or feel the niceness is the effect of a shallow, going along to get along, type of persona?

[norman]

I see two prongs to this.

On one side there is the notion that "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled off was convincing us that he/she doesn't exist".

On the other side there is the alleged full on Satanist practices by a certain subgroup of humanity. Obviously he hasn't convinced them that he doesn't exist.


I'm usually more concerned about the first prong. I sometimes get a bad feeling from people who, on the face of it, are passing themselves off as really 'nice' and 'spiritual' and 'educated'. I sometimes have to put up a real struggle to avoid being sucked into something emanating from them, even if they themselves are not consciously aware of it or are perhaps just not experienced enough to discern that not all smiles are truly from goodness.

Could you expand on this a bit? Do you sense or feel the niceness is the effect of a shallow, going along to get along, type of persona?

Yes, that's very often what I find at what I'll dangerously call the lower strata of society. It often goes hand in hand with "cool' too.

Another very spooky phenomenon is the charismatic type that knows all the words and spins their own version of something you already only have half a handle on so it's not too hard to fool you into seeing it their way for a while, long enough to get into something deep enough to have a hard time getting back out of it. That's less subtle but powerful. It's the cultish thing.

I got half involved with a "cult" in the late 80s and had a shock discovering how much it had FKD me up later. It took me a clear 10 years to fully escape from the effect of it. The snag is that there is an element of the 'teaching' that still to this day makes perfect sense to me. I've had to unwrap it and separate it from the cult thing.

Of course, it's perfectly clear to me now, that so called ordinary life is a huge cult, and very hard to break away from, without either setting up the force of another cult or joining another cult just to give you the traction to pull yourself apparently free, ( but in such cases, you're into another cult ).

Deep inside myself I do know what's good and right. I can feel it when it's there. Hanging on to it in all situations at all times is a hell of a ride, though.

[Chester]

Hello justoneman,

I guess what you are asking to comment on, in a way, is why do people do bad things? My conclusion is that they do bad things because it is programmed into human nature to do bad things. We can't seem to get away from it as a specie.

The history of human and animal sacrifice has always interested in me, and yet few are willing to discuss it. Somehow it appears people like to think it is a practice of the ancient past and yet, horrifyingly, it is still practiced.

I would say more,but I am out the door.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Could you tell me more about this. Human sacrifice as ritual, I mean. I have read a little about it and don't doubt at all that it happens.

Hi AutumnW, does W stand for Winter?? haha couldn't resist. Anyways, back to the seriousness of the first subject I hope we might probe in this thread - I will prepare an overview. Unfortunately I am tending to some personal matters which I, alone, must fulfill and are time based.

I greatly appreciate your interest so I will put in my best effort... look for this by Friday noon. Chester

[ThePythonicCow]

This thread is to be a thread of exploration as to all factors that play into the plethoric manifestation of unnecessary misery - a manifestation the vast majority amongst us experience without our consent - without consent at the level of our conscious decision making.
In my ongoing effort to see to it that thread titles contain useful information about the contents of their threads, I have added the qualifier "(unnecessary misery)" to this thread's title.

[CD7]

To me it is WAYYYYYY more challenging to deal with negativity/people in "real" lol life then here on the technological automaton not even sure if who ur even arguing with is real!?? hahahahahaha

[Chester]

This thread is to be a thread of exploration as to all factors that play into the plethoric manifestation of unnecessary misery - a manifestation the vast majority amongst us experience without our consent - without consent at the level of our conscious decision making.
In my ongoing effort to see to it that thread titles contain useful information about the contents of their threads, I have added the qualifier "(unnecessary misery)" to this thread's title.

Hi Paul - Good idea and I am open to further adjustment in the thread title - good move, Thanks... Chester

[Chester]

To me it is WAYYYYYY more challenging to deal with negativity/people in "real" lol life then here on the technological automaton not even sure if who ur even arguing with is real!?? hahahahahaha

Hi. This is a strange comment... was there an argument? Anyways, those with reasonable patience will see, as this thread grows (if it grows), the initial "dot" I brought up is simply and only one "dot" which again, with patience, may be shown to connect with the all pervasive and collective "human" experience. At the end of the day, I hope to cover (or at least bring forth into the dialogue) all major "dots" you may come upon.

It is interesting you mention the word "argue" as the OP suggests we avoid various extremes (especially the emotionally driven ones) so that we can have a more productive discussion.

Discussion must start somewhere and I have chosen this specific "dot" as the launching pad. I recommend that those who read and/or participate in this thread consider first if they have the emotional capacity to be a positive contributor (and this includes just readers as they also then produce a transmuted energy based on what they have read and their own intention based thoughts).

The premise here is that most of us would suggest the way of life for the vast majority of humanity in 2013 is entirely unacceptable and we can do something about it. If you do not share this view, this would likely not be the thread for you. If you want to come here and argue in this thread, then you are violating the wishes of the thread creator as laid out in the OP. Does that mean you can't? No. But if this is done here in this thread, what good that may come forth from it will definitely be reduced.

Of course if that happens, we can chalk one up (once again) to the "dark energetics" which is, at the end of the day, what I hope will become a primary focus of this thread - the goal being that we might accelerate the rate we, humanity, reduce the experience of unnecessary misery for the vast majority of humanity.

[Chester]

I am not going to commit to a scholarly endeavor as to do so would require hundreds of hours of proper research, sourcing, etc. But I do have a foundation to lay and so here it is.

Note: I will remind readers/participants that I am taking no sides on the issues here. In fact, my nature is to defend the underdog and so if I find myself faced with choosing sides, I am all but 100% certain my choice will depend on which side I determine (at that time) has become the underdog.

To make sure readers/participants understand, from the deepest part of "me" (whatever that is) I see only "us" and not even that. To make sure you understand what I might mean (from the deepest part of me) "us" is any living manifestation of form. The key word here is "living." Now to make sure it is understood as to what I mean by "living" - something is "alive" to me, if it has been infused with vibration... if it demonstrates itself to possess vibration. This can include "pinocchios" in my definition of "alive" of "live" of living."

I have spent the last several months researching "life" so that I am able to understand the root causes of what most of us would agree is the massive manifestation of unnecessary misery.

So I have identified key, core specific practices that appear to be anchors to the long band energies which, like gravity, and in turn, anchor the collective experience of most of humanity into the denser (what we perceive as and experience as) negative emotions.

So I have chosen what appears to me to be the single most significant practice that I see as the single most significant anchor. I have spent over 10 years investigating this practice from every angle I could other than actual 5 sense observation and/or participation. One of the most important discoveries I have made is that though many label these practices as "Satanic" I find that doing this deflects the researcher from what may be actual cause(s) of such practices as human/animal ritual sacrifice (H/ARS).

I know a good handful of "Satanists" and in every case I am aware of, these people I know who either openly or privately claim to be Satanists would have absolutely nothing to do with H/ARS. I also know folks who trusted third parties have identified to me are involved in "the Satanic Church" or are "Pagans" or are "demonologists who alos work with "spirits" (demons) or are Luciferians, Gnostics (and in some cases those who call themselves Gnostic Christians), those who have become involved in "dragon studies," those who have created and/or participated in "orders" such as "templar" orders, masons at various levels and other "secret society hierarchies."

I have yet to come upon one single person in my 55 years highlighted by my last 20 or so where I made most of these connections where someone ever hinted that they might be a participant in H/ARS or that if the subject was brought up did I ever perceive anything but revulsion or, in many cases, denial of the possibility it occurs.

So, my next post will include various components of the "puzzle" so that readers can at least understand the picture I see (whether it is real or not is not only for the reader to decide but is something I also still struggle with).

[AutumnW]

Yes, that's very often what I find at what I'll dangerously call the lower strata of society. It often goes hand in hand with "cool' too.

Another very spooky phenomenon is the charismatic type that knows all the words and spins their own version of something you already only have half a handle on so it's not too hard to fool you into seeing it their way for a while, long enough to get into something deep enough to have a hard time getting back out of it. That's less subtle but powerful. It's the cultish thing.

I got half involved with a "cult" in the late 80s and had a shock discovering how much it had FKD me up later. It took me a clear 10 years to fully escape from the effect of it. The snag is that there is an element of the 'teaching' that still to this day makes perfect sense to me. I've had to unwrap it and separate it from the cult thing.

Of course, it's perfectly clear to me now, that so called ordinary life is a huge cult, and very hard to break away from, without either setting up the force of another cult or joining another cult just to give you the traction to pull yourself apparently free, ( but in such cases, you're into another cult ).

Deep inside myself I do know what's good and right. I can feel it when it's there. Hanging on to it in all situations at all times is a hell of a ride, though.

Thanks Norman, It is really helpful to gain perspective on points of view if we understand the personal experiences that help shape them. I have had experiences in the last decade that contribute to my view of the world in a huge way. They are similar to your own. There is an expression, 'the truth is surrounded by a bodyguard of lies,' For the cultish manipulator you could say, 'the lie is surrounded by a bodyguard of truth'

It is very easy to become bitter when one has been targeted by a group with a charismatic leader, or by a charismatic individual who has tremendous insight into human nature. That's the hook. What we aren't aware of, while being initially targeted, is that the insight of the leader isn't informed by emotional resonance with humanity, but from the perspective of a predator closely observing it's prey.

Beware the smooth talker, the dispenser of hope, or alternately one who dispenses gloom and doom and redemption but only through group exclusivity for the few 'englightened'

[AutumnW]

I look forward to reading what you have discovered, Justoneman!

[CD7]

To me it is WAYYYYYY more challenging to deal with negativity/people in "real" lol life then here on the technological automaton not even sure if who ur even arguing with is real!?? hahahahahaha



On Avalon there have been a sizable sample of the membership who have plunged into the actual nitty gritty. All too often though either the OP creator and/or the many who bravely posted responses end up descending into a snake fight.

This thread is a testament to what appears to be our acceptance (though we pretend and then state otherwise) of our current human condition.

Although this hope is that this OP explores the nitty gritty while we consciously, collectively and successfully avoid casting our venom at each other. If this thread goes anywhere... I only ask we check our egos at the door while simultaneously maintaining common courtesy without sacrificing serious, in depth (nitty gritty) commentary and exchange.



Well like i stated the nitty gritty for me is dealing with humans and situations in real life as opposed to here in the forum---it is much more challenging in life to deal with people---

Ok so i expressed myself here giving my experiences in the human condition....if u have taken anything personal--it was not meant tht way

[spiritguide]

Two perceptions, either evil is taking control or loosing control. Future events will show which wolf wins the fight. IMHO

[Chester]

To me it is WAYYYYYY more challenging to deal with negativity/people in "real" lol life then here on the technological automaton not even sure if who ur even arguing with is real!?? hahahahahaha



On Avalon there have been a sizable sample of the membership who have plunged into the actual nitty gritty. All too often though either the OP creator and/or the many who bravely posted responses end up descending into a snake fight.

This thread is a testament to what appears to be our acceptance (though we pretend and then state otherwise) of our current human condition.

Although this hope is that this OP explores the nitty gritty while we consciously, collectively and successfully avoid casting our venom at each other. If this thread goes anywhere... I only ask we check our egos at the door while simultaneously maintaining common courtesy without sacrificing serious, in depth (nitty gritty) commentary and exchange.



Well like i stated the nitty gritty for me is dealing with humans and situations in real life as opposed to here in the forum---it is much more challenging in life to deal with people---

Ok so i expressed myself here giving my experiences in the human condition....if u have taken anything personal--it was not meant tht way

Forgive me but it seemed like you were (and may still be) implying that those who post about these matters on this (or any) forum might not be dealing with these matters in real life.

That's what I am asking you to make clear. I prefer not to take your comment personally because a.) I am only reading your words... not having a live communication with you and b.) if I did, the very energies behind our issues (IMO) are being fed and the monster only grows stronger.

In other words, the strange thing I felt about the comment was the implication that if one happens to bring forth this subject on this (or any forum) then one must not be working through these same dark energies in their daily life.

I happen to be working through large doses of the dark and have found the personal strength to deal with it. Half my purpose in posting about it is in hopes it inspires others to do the same. I believe our world could improve more rapidly if more and more of us gain the courage and knowledge to deal with the dark side.

Anyways, if I was incorrect in what I thought you inferred, I apologize I misunderstood the comment.

Also, if that is the case that I did misunderstand, what then was your point?

If you are suggesting you encounter these very matters in some form in your real life, please, please share these experiences here. You probably can help those (like me) who sometimes struggle with the dark forces. Please share about it - especially if you have or are taking on any aspect in your real life of human/animal ritual sacrifice.

[blake]

Hello justoneman,

I am a bit confused as to what direction this thread is going. You write that: “the goal being that we might accelerate the rate we, humanity, reduce the experience of unnecessary misery for the vast majority of humanity.” It might be helpful if you can define “unnecessary misery for the vast majority of humanity.”

I agree about wanting to leave this a better world than I was born into, but frankly, I think the old saying that: “the more things change, the more they stay the same;” is just about how things have been for human beings for thousands of years. We can’t change it to any significant degree. There is a certain level of evilness in the world, no matter what anyone does. We can try to change what we come across but I don’t think we can do much more. I don’t think we can rid the world of evilness or it would have been done by now. I think, as I mentioned before, that the world is designed to function with a certain ratio of good to evil. And if too much goodness is being generated then events happen that correct the imbalance back to the original designed programmed ratio.
I don’t believe in the Christian devil, but I do believe there is an evilness that is often channeled through the actions of everyday people, even humans that are usually quite good. People for the most part are born with self interest; and a certain level of greed in at least some areas. I do not believe we are born to look at the world in an egalitarian sense. People have a need to be better or more powerful than others. I wish it were not that way, but from my observations across cultures, and industries that seems to be how it is. Of course, some humans have more meanness in them than others but all humans have the evil gene in them to a degree. As Fred Steeves said to the newbie thread….sometimes we do bite. People may want to be fair and nice or think they are, but these very same people seldom look at their behavior and feelings deeply in the mirror when they come across someone who thinks differently than they do.

The world is a mean place. It is a cruel place. We try to make our own small worlds as pleasant and loving as possible, but as one person said to me many decades ago, one has to vigilantly protect all the goodness that is in their lives because there are so many people who want to take that goodness from you, or destroy it all together.
If humanity was fair and loving, we wouldn’t need a Constitution to tie the hands of those in power from abusing their power. But as the old saying goes: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Humans can be lovely one minute, and desperate the next. Humans can’t be trusted because of the human condition. I think it was Taylor Caldwell, or Ayn Rand that wrote “there is a science to trust” And I believe that to be true, from both my own experience, and from all the literature over the centuries about your dearest friend turning on you and yet someone quite nasty actually saving your hide. It’s all about self interest, greed and wanting power. The self interest could be as simple as getting that paycheck to feed your family. dispite doing things you think are not quite kosher.
Yes there are sociopaths, and other very sick people who do human sacrifice and so many other horrible things. But sadly even very “nice people” can do really horrible things to another human.It's just the human condition.

So if you could clarify exactly what you mean, and what you are looking for, that would be helpful. What " nitty gritty" are you looking for?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[AutumnW]

Why do things descend into a snake fight among well meaning people? Even in affinity communities like this one, ideas based on the metaphysical diverge and people are rubbed the wrong way. Then they respond in an irritated manner. Then the process of amplification sets in and it can get uglier than a Quasimoto competition!

Have you ever been on a forum where super and complete politeness was a base requirement? I have. They are actually pretty boring. No, wait....they are supremely boring and speaking of dead on arrival...that's what happens. People no longer attend, they are so afraid of speaking their mind and or being bored to death. So there is something about the nature of freedom, freedom of expression that is both, not boring and also potentially ugly. Maybe a certain amount of snake fighting has to be accepted in the interest of liberty. But, for sure, both online and real life--there should be limits.

[blake]

Why do things descend into a snake fight among well meaning people? Even in affinity communities like this one, ideas based on the metaphysical diverge and people are rubbed the wrong way. Then they respond in an irritated manner. Then the process of amplification sets in and it can get uglier than a Quasimoto competition!

Have you ever been on a forum where super and complete politeness was a base requirement? I have. They are actually pretty boring. No, wait....they are supremely boring and speaking of dead on arrival...that's what happens. People no longer attend, they are so afraid of speaking their mind and or being bored to death. So there is something about the nature of freedom, freedom of expression that is both, not boring and also potentially ugly. Maybe a certain amount of snake fighting has to be accepted in the interest of liberty. But, for sure, both online and real life--there should be limits.

Hello AutumnW,

In my humble opinion, freedom and liberty without respect and good manners can get sticky because of the human need to want others to think like they do. Isn’t that why many move out of their parents home so they can lead life, according to how they want to live, without judgement, or being controlled by others? People need their space to be who they are.People need their space to command their life style without the opinions of others. Because people always seem to have an opinion about what someone else is doing rather than tending their own gardens, many humans naturally put a guard up and don't like wearing their emotions on their sleeves for all to read.

I have always been amazed, when people, especially those who speak of “light and love”, can get so nasty or loose their composure when someone has a different opinion. I suppose many humans feel uncomfortable with those who think differently, even when they claim all opinions and viewpoints are accepted. I have never been any place: in the ivy halls of academia, to the white clapboard of an old Unitarian Congregation, to a new age covens, or metaphysical societies, from doctors, to psychologist, to engineers, to shamans, farmers, artists…..the local merchant …. people are basically the same with various degrees of niceness and meanness.
Many humans pretend to be nicer and more accepting than they really are. Many humans like to think of themselves as open and accepting when really they are not. When walking deep in the woods of the mountains, often one will come across a sign to look into a box to see the nastiest animal walking about that they may encounter on their hike. When one looks in the box, there is a mirror. The human is the nastiest creature that one must be weary of when walking the forest.

I try to surround myself with people who have a certain amount of social grace. And it is very pleasant to be around humans who consistently practice good manners. But just because humans may exhibit a certain amount of social grace or good manners, doesn’t make them prey for the predators, and neither does it keep them from being predators, for how many wolfs come in sheep clothing. All humans are suspect of bad behavior; it is just the nature of the human condition. Trust no one. Sociopaths can be very charismatic, and the human with more goodness than meanest may be disliked by all because they are not like “ the others”. If you are different, you will be mistrusted and disliked, even on this forum.

I think good manners, and controlled debates allow people to discuss the more interesting things in life, and the more controversial things that we humans are exposed to, but few humans have the emotional control, maturity, or courage to do so without emotional triggers going off and spiting out snake like remarks. Why aren’t more humans not taught to politely debate a topic? I suppose it’s a way to keep us all dumb down in some way.

How can one respect a species who will go to a coliseum to see a gladiator be torn apart from the attack of a lion? Why do humans like to watch violence when they know the damage that true violence causes? Why do humans like to be on the winning team? Why do humans like to feel superior to others in any way they define superior? To the uttra rich, they may feel superior in their two hundred thousand dollar cars; to those who have not achieved economic superiority, they may feel superior spiritually, or humanely by living with nothing materialistic at all. People feel superior to other in different ways, but feel superior they do in some way. And by disagreeing with someone, their superiority need is often threatened,
and a snake fight, as you call it, usually ensues.

People are not accepting of others. I may have compassion for any human struggling and give a helping hand, but that does not mean I have any desire to know them on a personal level, or even have a discussion with them. We all have our ways of being comfortable in life. Yet because our comfort levels are different, often they are attacked, in my opinion, from others with different comfort levels. Humans are uncomfortable with people who are different, whether it be education, upbringing, religion, wealth, life style, politics, etc. People protect themselves in different ways. And like the school yard bully, they often attack those who are different, or have something they don't have.

Why do we need warriors? Becasue of the nature of the human condition, in my opinion. Why are some warriors the most spirituality advanced humans? Becasue they know when to fight and when not to fight and they fight as much as a good cook will use a spice.

Is it better to know how to protect yourself, knowing the humans condition, or is it better to be open prey for anyone to attack you? Most humans don't know how to protect themsleves so in their instinct to protect themselves, they wildly swing about without the well trainned discipline of a karate chop, so they accomplish nothing but bad feelings among all involved.

Attacks come on many levels. Right now the majority of the people are being attacked economically. They are bleeding to death, hoping for divine intervention rather than taking the responsibility to protect themselves and their families. Too bad humans followed, instead of leading themselves into freedom.

We all attack each other when we feel threatened on some level. Verbal attack is the most cowardly, and is usually quite inarticulate, becasue the emotional triggers imbalances the logic; but it often is the safest, especially when done anonymously. A verbal attack on a forum is so safe.. A polite debate takes more muscle control.
Humans, even the well meaning ones, just have not developed their emotional muscle control over polite debates.
I think we can express ourselves freely, if we are not invested in having to be right in the eyes of the other person with whom we are debating. Sadly, humans have a need to be right. And many have not developed the social graces or emotional control for a polite debate.

Humans are quite wild. Best to keep an eye on them at all times like you would any other wild animal you walk among. But as always this is all just my very humable opinion.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[AutumnW]

Blake, What a great post! Thank you. People are afraid of the 'outsider' often, I think because they fear somehow being displaced. Any unknown quantity becomes suspect. That displacement can come about economically, socially, even on a forum. Often politeness is just a veneer under which festering resentments grow, if not addressed. I quit frequenting political forums a few years back because I found so many people had their egos way too wrapped up in their point of view. If people could just remain calm, not inhibited, not stifled, but somewhat calm, so much more understanding could take place. The win\lose mentality when it comes to social interaction and opinion has to be toned down or changed. I think television, like Fox news, has become a model for the way people address each other when it comes to opinions regarding politics, religion and culture. Instead of having a conversation, they take a stance and then debate for points. As they are in an emotional state, they don't even debate well. They are too riled up.

I see so much of what is going on, in this respect, as social programming. The elites never want you to pull back the curtain to see who the real bad guys are. They would rather stage manage, create theatrics than do anything remotely positive. Bunch of sick f***ers. Sorry--there's my shadow popping up again!

[Chester]

Hi - on Thursday I attended court for my 19 year old son who is facing years in prison. The case got postponed (again) but since Thursday so I have been "distracted." In addition due to the "day job" requirements, I have been unable to put together the post that can address your queries, blake.

In addition, one of the more insightful posters here, Amzer Zo, has suggested reading this e-book -

http://thoughtlessness23.blogspot.be/

"The Matrix Deciphered"

From what I have read so far, I am beginning to think the (purported) matter of ritual human sacrifice (which war happens to be as well as the practices attributed to so called "Satanists") as performed by some of our "cousins" is

irrelevant.

Thus I may not continue with the presentation of the point of view I was going to share about the matter.

Still, I always seem to come back to this and other matters so who knows.

I wouldn't hold my breath as at this point - who, that may have the freedom to be able to access and read this forum, would really care? They aren't effected anyways, right? The world will never change, right?

No... never.

[blake]

Hi - on Thursday I attended court for my 19 year old son who is facing years in prison. The case got postponed (again) but since Thursday so I have been "distracted." In addition due to the "day job" requirements, I have been unable to put together the post that can address you queries, blake.

In addition, one of the more insightful posters here, Amzer Zo, has suggested reading this e-book -

http://thoughtlessness23.blogspot.be/

"The Matrix Deciphered"

From what I have read so far, I am beginning to think the (purported) matter of ritual human sacrifice (which war happens to be as well as the practices attributed to so called "Satanists") as performed by some of our "cousins" is

irrelevant.

Thus I may not continue with the presentation of the point of view I was going to share about the matter.

Still, I always seem to come back to this and other matters so who knows.

I wouldn't hold my breath as at this point - who, that may have the freedom to be able to access and read this forum, would really care? They aren't effected anyways, right? The world will never change, right?

No... never.

Hello Justoneman,

So sorry to hear about your son. I send good thoughts your way that the very best happens for you all.

I do agree that war is human sacrifice.

I am sorry to hear that you decided not to share more of your thoughts on human sacrifice, or continue on with the thread as you originally thought. It seems your thread was not dead on arrivial after all.

I think, as many have said before, that all we can do is control: what we think, what we do, how we react, and give a helping hand, if we are able, to those who we come across who may need one.

We are a society who lives with perpetual war, and somehow humans always seem to show up for the wars.

I understand your focus is on deeper matters now.

Sicnerely,

Mr. Davis

[Chester]

Hi - on Thursday I attended court for my 19 year old son who is facing years in prison. The case got postponed (again) but since Thursday so I have been "distracted." In addition due to the "day job" requirements, I have been unable to put together the post that can address you queries, blake.

In addition, one of the more insightful posters here, Amzer Zo, has suggested reading this e-book -

http://thoughtlessness23.blogspot.be/

"The Matrix Deciphered"

From what I have read so far, I am beginning to think the (purported) matter of ritual human sacrifice (which war happens to be as well as the practices attributed to so called "Satanists") as performed by some of our "cousins" is

irrelevant.

Thus I may not continue with the presentation of the point of view I was going to share about the matter.

Still, I always seem to come back to this and other matters so who knows.

I wouldn't hold my breath as at this point - who, that may have the freedom to be able to access and read this forum, would really care? They aren't effected anyways, right? The world will never change, right?

No... never.

Hello Justoneman,

So sorry to hear about your son. I send good thoughts your way that the very best happens for you all.

I do agree that war is human sacrifice.

I am sorry to hear that you decided not to share more of your thoughts on human sacrifice, or continue on with the thread as you originally thought. It seems your thread was not dead on arrivial after all.

I think, as many have said before, that all we can do is control: what we think, what we do, how we react, and give a helping hand, if we are able, to those who we come across who may need one.

We are a society who lives with perpetual war, and somehow humans always seem to show up for the wars.

I understand your focus is on deeper matters now.

Sicnerely,

Mr. Davis

Note I said "may not continue"

Your post lights my fires up again (who would have guessed?)

Flash has correctly identified me as a dog which when this dog bites, this dog does not let go.

Must be my "sirius" ancestry

In addition, I am a psychopath which has done what it seems so many do not believe a psychopath can do... and that is to have "changed my mind" about my interests.

To be specific, I find life more fulfilling (for me) when I focus my thoughts on solutions which "should" benefit others. Most of my actions (now... not so in this lifetime's past) are almost always for the benefit of others.

The words part (which is where the land of lies are found more often than the land of actual deeds) is tricky.

I am more and more concluding there's little place for writing words and that unless one's emotions are "under control" (as if anyone actually can do so 100% 100% of the time) opening the mouth and uttering spontaneous words is just as silly.

Such as all the worthless blabber just written.

If (but likely when) I post the post I have in mind regarding this subject, do be aware it will likely be largely unpopular and may reinforce the already whacko reputation I have been fortunate to earn in life as well as here on the Avalon forum.

Thanks, Mr. Davis

Mr. Anderson... ooops, I mean, Chester

[spiritguide]

Justone, sorry to hear about your son's problem. I hope he fairs well. Do not feel alone about the situation as many parents/fathers find themselves in the same situation. The experience you are going through is not easy and if you would like to discuss it PM me. My son pulled the same type of blunder and got 30 yrs for a victimless crime. Sending positive vibes your way for you and your son.

[Chester]

some things to "chew" on

http://www.paranormalknowledge.com/articles/aztec-human-sacrifice-rituals.html


The Aztecs believed that a great, ongoing sacrifice sustains the Universe. Everything in the world springs from the severed or buried bodies, fingers, blood, etc. They looked at human sacrifice as a way to repay the gods. Where the human sacrifices took place was an offering mound, filled with treasures and jewels, grains, soils, and even animal sacrifices. Those that were sacrificed were said to of “given their service”. The Aztecs were known to sacrifice bred dogs, jaguars, deer, and even eagles. They made sacrifices to specific gods also. An example of one such god was Tezcatlipoca, who was considered to be the most powerful god. The Aztecs believed that this god created war to provide food and drink to the gods. He had the power to forgive sins and relieve disease. As a matter of fact, one of his names can be translated as “We Who Are His Slaves”.


http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm


Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4098172.stm


Boys 'used for human sacrifice'
Children are being trafficked into the UK from Africa and used for human sacrifices, a confidential report for the Metropolitan Police suggests.


And this interesting PDF (academic study)

http://www.peterleeson.com/Human_Sacrifice.pdf

[blake]

some things to "chew" on

http://www.paranormalknowledge.com/articles/aztec-human-sacrifice-rituals.html


The Aztecs believed that a great, ongoing sacrifice sustains the Universe. Everything in the world springs from the severed or buried bodies, fingers, blood, etc. They looked at human sacrifice as a way to repay the gods. Where the human sacrifices took place was an offering mound, filled with treasures and jewels, grains, soils, and even animal sacrifices. Those that were sacrificed were said to of “given their service”. The Aztecs were known to sacrifice bred dogs, jaguars, deer, and even eagles. They made sacrifices to specific gods also. An example of one such god was Tezcatlipoca, who was considered to be the most powerful god. The Aztecs believed that this god created war to provide food and drink to the gods. He had the power to forgive sins and relieve disease. As a matter of fact, one of his names can be translated as “We Who Are His Slaves”.


http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm


Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4098172.stm


Boys 'used for human sacrifice'
Children are being trafficked into the UK from Africa and used for human sacrifices, a confidential report for the Metropolitan Police suggests.


And this interesting PDF (academic study)

http://www.peterleeson.com/Human_Sacrifice.pdf

Hello justoneman,

Not exactly fine reading material with mid morning tea, but alas a very real part of
the way things have been, and still are perhaps in the original form, or in other forms.

I didn’t open the pdf file.


I read somewhere that we have perpetual war because the perpetual killing, the human sacrifices of civilians and soldiers, feeds the universal energies, and or the gods at the control of the universal energies in some way. If that is true, it certainly paints a different picture of a “loving universe”.

How interesting that the god whom the sacrifices were made, one of his names could be translated to mean “We Who Are His Slaves”.

Does that mean the gods that the sacrifices are made to are “his” slaves? Or, does it mean that those who live on earth are “ his” slaves.

Is slavery, which to me is a form of sacrifice, a natural part of the human condition?
Are we like chickens, with our pecking order among ourselves, just food for the gods, so that when we stop producing, we end up like chickens that have stopped producing eggs? We end the chicken’s life for the dinner table, an energy or food, to keep life in us? It would appear that our fear in being killed and tortured as humans provide a similar energy, or a food, necessary for another dimension, or god force to “ live” or to continue to “ create”

Are humans different than chickens in the scheme of how a higher force treats a lower force? Humans may very well not be on top of the food chain. Humans could very well just be food for the gods. And alas, the perpetual suffering, torture and misery of humans even to the point of deliberate ritualistic human sacrifice. But then again, the blood sacrifice of an animal is used too. So I don’t think it has anything to to with the letting of blood as much as it does with the creating of the energy that deep horror produces.

Taking out beating hearts and the agony of seeing loved ones blown to bits does produce a different quality of fright, than a chicken living a good life and then swiftly having its head cut off for the stew pot. But perhaps we don’t require the same force of energy, food, that those in need of the energy of human sacrifice and horror. Are we just all programmed to feed off one another, on some level? It appears that way to me.

Slavery has been an ugly part of human history, and still exists for some in its original form, and for others in different ways. Those working forty hours or more a week for another, just to put food on the table, and keep a roof over their head, are, in the bigger picture, just slaves to a more gluttonous eater; especially when they know if they stop putting one foot in front of the other and stop working, they will lose their ability to buy food and put a roof over their heads. What level of fear energy is the human producing daily living that life style? Food for the gods and money for the bankers?

Why do humans entrap themselves so easily? Why do they buy into the concept that they must take a life time paying a banker monthly mortgage payments in order to have a roof over their heads, and if he or she fails to keep up the payments they loose their home. Is that the civilized, water downed version of slavery and human sacrifice?

Shelter is essential. One cannot live safely without one. But to put too many of your limited years, and time in procuring one seems like a very strange way to strive to build security in one’s life. Working inefficiently, by being beholden to a banker for thirty years in providing a foundational home for oneself must have been some massive mind control program. It makes more sense to build your home, and then you have a home that supports your life so you can do other things. And if you get sick or need a break, your shelter is there for you.

If you are free, and own your time, you probably worked hard building your shelter, your home, perhaps sacrificing most of your time and money on building it over a year or two, but then you had built and completed the foundation of your life, a home to support your life style, and you now are free to spend your money and time on other things. Why spend a life time building a foundation, and many times on sand? That is not good management. Yet that is what humans in the civilized world do. They set themselves up to be slaves and to sacrifice their time and energy for another.

Taking on the risk of being able to meet a monthly mortgage payment for twenty or thirty years, taking the risk of losing your home to the banker before you burned the mortgage makes a human like an indenture servant. Are they not self sacrificing themselves??

Are the bankers today, the priests of old who would cut out beating hearts so the fear and the death could feed the gods or the universal workings? Do the bankers not keep you working week after week as you get no where, and when you get older, or ill fortune comes your way, you still have to stay on the trendmill, until you drop? How many sleepless night do human produce such fear by not first tending to building a firm foundation for themselves? Why are humans programmed to accept such foolish and dangerous thinking?

Human sacrifice on an alter is horrifying. But on another level so are the everyday humans sacrificing their lives to the gods in Washington, and the Money templed banks? Does lack of money and basic needs not also produce a level of fear and horror? Have people not self sacrificed themselves by suicide because of the pressures of not owning their own lives? Human sacrifice comes in many forms

Human and animal sacrifice is barbaric. It’s senseless cruelty. And people recognize that, yet, do people not allow this senseless cruelty, in other forms, to come into their lives with the choices they make?

Does human sacrifice, and animal cruelty and sacrifice just reflect how the human condition is? Do people find false safety in believing that human, and animal sacrifice is from a time long ago, and do not see the same energy it produces in their own lives?

Human sacrifice continues on today with the sociopaths of the world, especially using young children

Young children who look to adults for protection, yet these percieved protectors become their abusers and/or murders, is terrifying and heart wrenching, and yet it is an energy that is produced and leaked out into the universe for what purpose, to feed the gods?

We will never know anything but theories, but I think it is practical to exercise one's mind to recognize how a system, a government, associations, contracts that you hoped would be beneficial, or protective to you, end up producing helplessness, and fear in you; a weaker, yet similar energy to human torture, and sacrifice.

I have mentioned this before, the short story called, “ The Lottery”. In a beautiful , affluent, lovely town, where everyone lives with affection and bounty, celebrates by once a year having a lottery where all the townsfolk participate. The winner of the lottery, at the moment of the drawing, gets stoned to death by all those present, including by their relatives. Then they go on with their lives with another prosperous, and happy year.

So we can read about the gory details of human, and animal sacrifice, both in history and present day, but for me it's more important to apply that knowledge of how that same energy infiltrates into “ civilized” places, and how it is still affecting our own lives just becasue it appears to be part of the human condition.

We all will look in horror at someone cutting out a beating heart, but in what way are you participating on some level with your own human sacrifice, or that of another?

As has been said before " we bite". But how deadly are the bites that we give each other daily? And yet still, we want everyone just to be nice, when humans are not programmed to be nice. But it does feel good to be treated well. And it does feel good to love another on our terms. The problem is for many it also feels good to bite or they wouldn't bite would they.The hope of course is always over riding the default commands.

We may not be able to help all the children being kidnaped and tortured and placed on an alter for sacrifice to the gods. Most of the time we only can make sure no human sacrifice is occuring, on any level, in our own lives. But to do that one must first be able to identifiy the energy of human sacrifice, and few are willing to do that, especially when it comes to their own lives.

Freedom is big protection against human sacrifice.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Chester]

Hi Mr. Davis and thanks for the response. I believe we could have a high level discussion that would touch upon just one of the subjects I hoped to raise in this thread. I get the strange sense though, that it would be pretty much a discussion between the two of us. I thrive on enthusiasm and get bored when I have none. I know for certain two massive points I wanted to lead into from the initial table setting I have done would be DOA.

I will still (as briefly as possible) mention these two sub components of the subject, a subject I raise here to draw further attention to the exploration of possible solutions to SRA and SRHandAS.

The first requires research on my part to retrieve the sources of what I am about to write about which are two specific references along with the massive research shared with us from David Icke.

Reference one is (if I recall correctly) an interview Bill and Kerry did with 'Henry Deacon" where Henry points out there is in fact the beings we call the Anunnaki (and are known by many names)... I found Bill Ryan's post - here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnakihttp://) - Here is the quote from the post I want to highlight -


In present time, they are active on Mars, and this has been reported by Project Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon (pseudonym), who saw them at first hand. Henry said that since Sumerian times, the Anunnaki race has split into two factions - one friendly to humans and the other less so.

He hinted strongly that the less friendly race has acquired a taste for human flesh.

And now reference two, an interview by Anthony Sanchez of a purported ex-military official who had a great many experiences in underground bases and had been briefed on the various "alien species" he would (and according to him, did) encounter. Note: this is unfortunately a suspect interview as Bill points out the interview appears to be heavily edited and that this raises his skepticism as to its veracity. Still, I am posting the key segment that allows me to begin to make one of my points. Here (http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?22933-DULCE-INTERVIEW-Anthony-Sanchez-interviews-Colonel-X&highlight)


I don’t want to stay on this area for too much longer, but here is the bottom line. The Austra Albus who are a human-alien offspring of the Anu … it’s understood that today they are a secret cabal of select alien-human lineages, and very powerful. They are a tightly controlled bloodline (of alien origin) stretching back thousands of years. Various people who today represent the powers-that-be amongst the ranks of humanity are members of this group.

These are your Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (in England, also known as the [75] Windsor) all of whom descended from strict marriage based on familial-lineage and breeding protocols, of a select lineage base to preserve the lines. All because of one reason; blood.

From the special blood attained through females of the lineage (due to certain hormones) it helps them to sustain their ability to withstand the environment; additionally, they also use secretions of pituitary and pineal glands (from captured modern humans) which also acts as strong drug helping to keep them from succumbing to mental instability caused by environmental stresses and unwanted chemical influence.

OK, so what i am headed towards is this - let's play the assumption game here only to reach a point of consideration. Let's assume the possibility some amongst humanity are physically of a non-earth born lineage. And that this lineage did their best to retain the highest degree of purity of their bloodline they could while doing their best to survive in the earth's atmosphere which they were not used to prior to coming to earth.

When we consider the possibility they could see themselves as non humans (at least not like earth born, indigenous humans) and consider that "we" eat animals (not all of us but most of us) and then consider what if we found we required certain excretions of the animals we eat in order to maintain our survivability and possibly even to retain our sanity... would we "eat" animals?

Now, let's also consider these beings may also have had their own "religion." This is where the lines cross between the rational to "survive" physically and some sort of metaphysical benefit derived through ritual that sustains "their spirit" en-capsuled within a physical container, the body by maintenance of their sanity (the mind)... and with their clear vast superiority technologically (and thus likely the development of an ego that considers itself the superior "race") perhaps we might be able to open our mind to...

...some understanding.

Why, if this is all (in at least a general sense) plausible is understanding so essential?

Let's consider more... If we can play the assumption game again - if you were them and you were so vastly technologically superior and certainly then we could consider the likelihood they were also overall much more intellectually superior and yet, they had lost the ability to leave earth and then we consider how few they are amongst us even way back thousands and thousands of years ago and we consider they deem us as a necessary resource to maintain survivability and their sanity... wouldn't you, if you were them, do your best to maintain your survival but do so knowing it had to be done in stealth? Especially if the young ones can't resist sex with the earthlings? And thus then the "dragon blood" as some call it, gets into the general population... wouldn't you set yourself up the very exact way it seems the ruling families have achieved on earth at this time?

Yes, all vast, incredible speculation... but can you find a rational explanation for all the goings on on earth without this scenario?

I can't.

And so, I found solace in one thing and one thing only...

...understanding.

And it is my firmest opinion these "cousins" of ours merit the consideration of understanding as it is my firmest opinion that if we never reach understanding and I were them, I would further ensure my own safety.

And so I am putting forth a lot here. A lot of wild assumption and speculation and then I am putting forth this thought.

If we want to seek a solution to the problem of the purported ongoing practice we call SRHandAS ("Satanic" Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice) and we recognize we are not the ones in the position of power here and we accept the possibility we either accept our cousins through understanding or not then I would make the odds of our future less attractive if we maintain the basic view we all have about the matter (if we are even brave enough and open minded enough to actually believe and accept it is a reality and practiced here on earth by some of the elite at this time) as opposed to a.) getting a clue, b.) rising above our fear and revulsion, c.) take an honest look at the hypocrisy we maintain by justifying the consumption of animals and yet drawing the line that another superior species (at least from their point of view) sees us as many things but one of those being an edible delicacy (a point Bill has made I have never forgotten)...

I think our odds of a better future improve if there could be some sort of general understanding to come forth amongst the general human population such that perhaps a longer term solution could be found where humanity as a whole can put this practice behind us forever.

If we could do this, I am absolutely certain the dense, energy cloud thang hangs over humanity would lift and there would be no greater gift we could ever come up with that we, collectively, could hand to our children than this gift of true freedom for the "souls" of each of us and thus our future children might be born truly free.

OK, done... something to "chew on," hey?

My next piece will address "psychopathy," address why I am certain I am a psychopath and address why (by my own example as well as all sorts of other living and historical examples) a psychopath does not necessarily express itself in the form of a serial killer or an evil politician or some evil war mongering military figure or some evil minded CEO. There's way, way more to it. There is a genetic component which has to be considered (though that is only one piece of the puzzle) so be patient and I will try and write this one up as soon a possible while hopefully fielding comments on this specific post.

[blake]

Hello justonewookiee,

I am familiar with Davis Icke’s theories, and Henry Deacon’s story.

I will play along with the assumption that there is a species of “humans” on earth, whose lineage is not born of earth, but are from the annununki bloodline, and they got stuck on earth. This lineage is also known as the elite, the rulers of the world, who are constantly strategizing, and manipulating their people to keep their bloodline pure, so they can keep the power to control the rest of us.

I will play along with the assumption that since they have a biology that does not thrive in the earth environment; they are in need of certain nutritional elements to keep them in mental and physical balance. They get that nutritional need by eating humans. And their religion instructs them to do it ritualistically. I further play along with the assumption that if this particular alien bloodline did not eat humans, their very survival would be at stake. And since there has always been few of them and many of us, their special nutritional needs being met are done in stealth to protect themselves. Everything they seem to do, according to all these assumptions is in natural self defense of their species. And just as some humans eat animals to survive, so do the elite eat us so that they can survive. Understanding that does not make me feel comfortable with the power they have over us all. Understanding that doesn’t wash away the countless humans that were tortured under their control, and their continued savage ways toward us. Knowing any of that does not give me solace. But as a general leading an army against their enemy, it is good to know why they do what they do, and other origins and motivations for their behavior.

Understanding is often a key component in feeling safer with others. Understanding is the foundational bases of counseling and therapy so emotional, and behavioral change for the better can occur. But can natural enemies ever have a bona fide, respectful, understanding of each other, since they have opposing goals and opposing basic needs? Will the prey just naturally give up their lives to the predator, knowing that the predator needed to eat them to survive? Understanding why they do so does not give me solace at all. Humans stepping up to the bat and not letting our natural enemy destroy or torture us is what give me solace.


In your assumptions, you state that since they have superior technology over the rest of humans, they also are of superior intelligence. So in pondering this I have to ask, if they are of such superior intelligence, why haven’t they, after thousands of years, come up with a solution to feeding themselves without having to be brutal and savage, and make the humans they capture, especially defenseless children, into sacrificial lambs for their…..dinner table? Another assumption about reality, the vampire …… can we offer any practical understanding to a vampire feeding off the blood of humans, and killing them as their blood is drained from the veins of their prey, or are we going to look at it as it really is, a natural predator against the human race. With natural predators, no negotiation is possible, unless we feed them what they want, when they want it, and under their terms.

Why after thousand of years couldn’t they come up with a solution if they are so smart? To me it indicates that these superior intelligent beings don’t want a solution. If the blood letting is part of their “religion”, it isn’t a very loving and understanding religion. And how many people easily give up their ingrained religious beliefs?

The idea of feeding off humans, as you well know, is not restricted to David Icke, or Henry Deacon, it is centuries old in plenty of literature throughout the ages.

If they are eating us, and have been doing so for thousands of years, in the cruelest of ways, they are our enemy. They have no remorse. We might want to understand the make up, and rational of our enemy, but that understanding will not change their behavior if they think of us as their prey. We can only negotiate with a natural enemy with either blackmail, or on some win- win terms; but why would one with the upper hand negotiate? What would be their motivation to do so? Ask any general in battle, or lawyer in the courtroom, if you have the upper hand, you call all the shots, no need to negotiate on anything.

These murderers have different values then we do. They have a different perspectives and different needs than we do. There is no motivation for them to negotiate with us, unless there is true remorse for what they are doing. And from the tales throughout literature, after all these thousands of years, it does not appear as if they have any remorse. We are like their chickens. They have limited value for our lives, just as many humans have limited value for a chicken’s life.

Do you think they would change their rituals, if we came up with a solution of some pill for them to take that could match their nutritional requirement? Do you think they would then see us in an equalitarian manner, and that we had a right to life, and are not just born to be food for them?

We sacrifice our animals and eat them. And there are humans who do need meat in order for their biology to function at its best. Can chickens negotiate with humans to eat more cow instead of them? Can we humans negotiate with these sociopaths to simply take a pill, or eat a soy made humanlike substance instead?

Humans can sometimes negotiate understanding and compassion from another human, because we basically have the same needs and the same goals. Who can not show compassion for another in pain, unless it is their enemy, and try to give a helping hand even if it is only with sending healing energy to them? Yet, how many humans can give that same compassion to the chicken they want to roast for Sunday dinner? The needs and goals are different. And so it is, I believe, with these people who kidnapped children, abuse them, and put them on an alter to be killed for whatever reason the murders are murdering these children or adults for, or whoever else may be their prey.

Some murders are passionate murders, a one time occurrence under extreme duress, where one literally looses control of their mind. But ongoing, ritualistic murder makes those people not human in the thinking process. Those murderers do not deserve our compassion or energy, in my opinion, that compassion and energy is better directed toward the multitudes of humans now in captivity; soon to be on the sacrificial alter.

So your thinking process looses me at this point of offering understanding for these beasts who murder humans for their religion and sustenance. Does one negotiate with a sociopathic serial killer? No one does not, and why….. because they don’t have the same thinking process as humans who are mostly incapable of murder.

In these dreadful murderous situations, remorse is the key that opens the locks to understanding, compassion and solutions among people. Have these murderers of ritualistic human or animal sacrifice ever shown remorse? I think that question is found by looking at the state of the world, and how it is continually run against the best interest of the majority of humans.

We have natural enemies. We have mentally deranged people that can’t be reasoned with. We have humans, of any blood line, who are just born bad.

There are so many people who, at this very moment can make life easier for another human, and yet they don’t. Why? It’s all about power and feeling superior; it is all about the pecking order. If every day humans really want to be loving and caring and understanding of each other, humans, in America would not be living in poverty or not have enough food to eat. Humans would not “ bite” each other.

Understanding and compassion are wonderful energies but not to be wasted on those not worthy of it. I don’t have compassion for the klllers of the world, the predators of the world, the selfish and greedy of the world, but I do have compassion for everyone who lives were touched and ruined by these killers, by those that hold greed and power more important than assisting a family with the means to feed themselves. I have no compassion for the wicked. And sadly, though observation, it is quite evident that some humans, no matter what their blood line, are cruel to the core. And look upon all humanity as their prey.

In this universe, one of our inalienable rights is self defense, in order to survive, the attack of an aggressor. So you are correct in that perhaps they are doing what they must to survive; but they do so like a vampire feeding on the blood of the innocent, not as a parent, shooting at the intruder in his home, in the dark of the night, threatening the life of his family. There is a difference.

So when you wrote:
“And it is my opinion these "cousins" of ours merit the consideration of understanding as it is my opinion that if we never reach understanding and I were them, I would further ensure my own safety.”

I would have to whole heartily disagree with you. If I had to live my life off the blood of innocent defenseless children, or anyone else, with my human values, I could not do it. I can not inflict pain on an innocent.

You stated they were of superior intelligence. They have not come up with a solution to better treat us after thousands of years of mistreating us. Unless they came forward with bona fide remorse, which they won’t, just as a lion would never be remorseful for attacking a wild horse, it is just who they are. The only solution I see is to remove the enemy from power, kill them, or imprison those who feed off us.

My children will live in a better world knowing who is the enemy and how to protect themselves from the enemy.

My children are better off understanding that not everyone has their values and ethics and therefore must take precautions.

What is that saying about not wasting pearls of wisdom on swine. To me wasting the energy of understanding on a natural enemy, except for planning battle and self defense, is putting an innocent at more of a risk than they already are in this very harsh world.

I think it is important for humans to understand that bad people, whatever their lineage, exist, and that the population at large has a responsibility to recognize the energy pattern of a predator and keep their guards up, until the predator is under control, and can no longer hurt those they prey on.

It is good to know when to shoot to kill, and when to generate compassion and understanding.
There is a time and place for both, and the wise human understands that harsh world they bring children into.

As I have said many times, if one can’t bring an idea into their personal life to see how that idea is affecting their personal life, then they are not looking reality in the eye, or exercising their strength to protect themselves, and make the world a better place.

Yes we have ritualistic murder and human sacrifice, and it comes in many degrees.

The banks are the very institutions that keep these blood lines living well and in power. So when the general population supports the bank, the general population are also supporting those blood lines who are feeding off all of society metaphorically, and for some perhaps actually.

As you well know, everything is connected. Why do we focus on that which seems the farthest from our everyday lives? The reality is most humans reading this has experienced the human sacrifice energy pattern, and have accepted these ongoing patterns into their lives, instead of eradicating them. But rather than take action, most people rationalize and focus on other areas that they don’t think really touches them. Humans love to rationalize reality and they love the drama of life that they think they are not contributing to.

The world becomes a safer place for the next generation when we show them how the world really works and how those energy patterns find their ways into everyone’s life. And how they can create a better world is by understanding the patterns and then consciously taking steps to break the patterns. When more people, than not, reject that energy pattern in their lives of human sacrifice then our children will be born free.

Those people you speak of are like a lion in the wild. They will eat what they want, when they want, unless killed or put in a zoo. No amount of understanding for their circumstances, or behavior will change their behavior or values. They are what they are; just like the international bankers are what the are. The very same bankers who the attorney General of the United States recently declared were too big to be prosecuted, and therefore get a free get out of jail card.

Understanding and solutions just don’t work with evil, or your natural enemies.

But like everything else I write, this is all my very humble opinion.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis.

[Chester]

I once heard (well... I have often heard) - "You are your own worst enemy."

I never found peace until I modified this age old saying to -

"You are your only enemy."

[blake]

Hello justonewookiee


Humans do philosophize and rationalize about how things are, and that sometimes helps us, and sometimes that continues to make things worse. I think your statement can be true sometimes for many humans who do not manage their lives well. But in the real world, one also has many natural enemies, as well as enemies that they themselves have created foolishly, by accident, by vindictiveness, or simply by lack of good manners especially with other humans having values, personalities and cultures quite different than one’s own.

The person selected for human sacrifice obviously has an enemy other than themselves.
Some may say they were selected because of their unwise decisions, or life-style. Some may say they were selected because they created that reality for themselves because of how they thought, and what they focused on. But somehow a seven-year- old child being kidnapped, sexually abused, tortured, and then place on the alter for human sacrifice simply blows that he or she is his or her only enemy, out of the window; that is if one is facing the realities of life, in my opinion.

I agree that many times humans can be their own, and even greatest enemy. But I couldn’t disagree more about them being their only enemy. Just look at the United States Government, shall I count the ways of how that organization of brute force IS your enemy on so many uncountable levels?

Anyone who wants to harm you, in any way, is your enemy. If that were not true, then self defense would never be an issue. How many women are comfortable in an underground garage or other isolated place late at night where some lunatic could be hanging out for prey? And even in an innocent classroom, or while watching a movie in a public theater, were those humans who experienced that horror, especially the children, only had themselves as their only enemy? I don’t think so. Any one can philosophize about it, and manipulate logical thinking, but the fact is people were killed in cold blood or harmed in another way. That doesn’t make them their own enemy, that makes them the victim of another who harmed them, that is an enemy other than themself.

One of the lessons in life is my opinion is learning how to protect oneself against our natural predators. Just look at animals and plants and how nature has supplied them with some sort of mechanism or ability to use as self protection against their natural predator. For the skunk, it is……………

You are not your only enemy, and if anyone believes that to be reality in this 3d world, it is my opinion they are easy prey.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Chester]

What is clear is that at this level... where we are using words to discuss matters within the realm of form where someone puts forth their point of view, there is something that cannot be escaped. And that is the foundation upon which a viewpoint stands.

Having learned for myself that conversations all too often descend into "point making" and all too often in this dynamic is a hidden layer where there lies nothing but assumption that the foundation upon which the points are being made is one all participants in the argument must share. The writer or speaker who is most eloquent and/or most "under control" of their emotions usually ends up being the decider and those who share a different foundation but are less under control descend into a style of conversation that is either directly or indirectly insulting to their target... if they cannot win via a good argument, attack the other.

As much as I try myself to avoid this type of dynamic and as much as I hope serious folks who engage in serious conversation on the most serious of subjects - even on the Avalon forum, this all too often happens.

Mr. Davis, you remain very civil here... so make sure you know that my points above are not directed at you, yet I am going to have to be honest in that in our exchange I notice that I share little common ground with you in the area of the various foundations or points of view are based upon.

So the old "wookiee idiot" would have descended into a point by point dissection... not so much to discuss your points as I can't. I can't do this because we share so little foundational common ground.

I would be happy to share with you my Skype and have either a typed chat conversation, voice and even video conversation with you and I believe we would quickly find a great deal common ground.

I must add one thing which is a point as an example. I interpret that you took my post calling for "understanding" much differently than I had intended. I believe that unless a problem is understood, finding solution is much more difficult.

I also must point out that if this practice occurs near the level (if at all) many researchers who are respected by many of us here on the Avalon forum suggest it had been my assertion that whether you are a practitioner, a victim, an observer, a protector, or like the vast majority of us - none of the above, we are all still effected.

And it is my contention that if all this is for the most part true, I also contend the degree of the effect upon the collective experience of humanity is greatly, negatively affected. Yes we have a plethora of other problems, but I believe that this specific practice stands at the gateway between humanity and what may be all sorts of beings which may not be from our physical reality (well... at least, they are not anchored in a physical body in a physical reality like the vast majority of beings on planet earth appear to be to the vast majority of human beings on earth today.)

My desire is to seek a true pathway to solution if there is one. That is my only intention in starting this thread with this specific subject.

At the same time, I recognize the very high probability that we, the vast majority of humanity, is not anywhere near where we probably need to be in relation to this issue.

This leads me to the conclusion I should just keep my concerns focused upon myself and then my immediate family. But this quickly feels inadequate as the next thought I always have when I test that point of view is... "and good luck to the rest of you." I do not like that aspect of myself and I find it unacceptable.


You are not your only enemy, and if anyone believes that to be reality in this 3d world, it is my opinion they are easy prey.

I would agree 100% with that statement unless you have achieved the success I have achieved in following my own advice which suggests to me I am capable of setting and emulating metaphysical standards few on earth seem to either care to do or seem accept they are capable of doing.

It is perhaps why I may be one of the few on earth capable of discussing "S"RA and ""S"RHandAS"... perhaps the only one.

Thus my Avatar

[Chester]

Placing value in the physical realm experience above the reality of the actual value of one's spirit is where the primary mistake most (if not all but a tiny, tiny %) of humanity make - in my humble opinion.

And it is this one thing the clued-in STSs count on. Check it out? Folks here might find it true for each individual that looks deeply into the matter.

[Chester]

Consider the content of this post - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=646150&viewfull=1#post646150

what is clearly obvious to me is that there are non-human/non-physical entities managing the situation on earth for 3D human beings in physical form.

Some of these 3d physical human beings are conscious, knowledgeable participants (perhaps). But if you look at it from the point of view of who might actually be the "enemy" where do you draw the line within the isolated realm of 3D physicality.

We can clearly see who is anchored as a 3D physical being. There's where a line could be drawn. That is where I would seek to solve the problem. Of course, I also suggest we avoid the us and them dynamic. So then how could this be done? Rise above and make a collective decision that "we"... all humanity, do not wish to give our consent any longer to being the food supply of these non 3D physical world anchored beings whether they are organic beings or inorganic (perhaps thought generated) beings.

[blake]

Hello justonewookie,


I agree that this discussion could be moved further along if you were kind enough to explain the “foundation upon which” your viewpoint stands. I am interested in learning about the foundation in which you build your viewpoint from. I am not responding to argue any point as much as I am trying to understand what you want to convey.

I agree with you, that one can not find a solution, until one acknowledges that there is a problem, and then puts forth energy in trying to understand the problem. Having a worthwhile discussion has the same foundational elements of finding a solution; each participant must be interested in first understanding what the other participant is conveying.


If you have observed that we have little common ground on this discussion, would it not behoove all readers, if you clearly stated where you are coming from, so that participants in this discussion, that you started, will have the opportunity to address your viewpoint rather than just guess at what you may be talking about?

You write :
“ I notice that I share little common ground with you in the area of the various foundations or points of view are based upon.”

I believe that is quite likely true. So what would be helpful to me is for you to explain exactly what foundational viewpoint you are coming from, and then I could adjust my responses to the issues at hand that you are leading this thread in.

Skype is a good tool, but if you think we can quickly find common ground using it, I don’t understand why we can’t find common ground using the present thread. Plus, if we went to skype, we would be excluding the rest of the forum, and visitors from reading or participating in this discussion, and possibly learning something that they did not know before.

I do agree that the practice of human and animal sacrifice is occurring on earth. And
I also agree that having such an evil practice does affect everyone on earth whether they are aware of it or not, just as the monetary system affects everyone whether they are aware of it or not. Most of the time, many humans just don’t like to know about nasty things until the nasty thing metaphorically, and sometimes actually, knocks on their door.

You state that this one issue, human and animal sacrifice, is the foundational base for all other evil and bad things in this world. You seem to believe that if humanity as a whole can acknowledge that human sacrifice is happening, then humanity, as a whole, can work on a solution to eradicate human and animal sacrifice, at which point all other evil in the world would crumble away leaving humans to live in a free and good society. A good society where humans have never lived free in since these evil demons, from another dimension, came to this environment, using a select group of human to do these evil deeds against other humans. I imagine you think these people, who rule the world and commit human sacrifice are in someway, or in some level, possessed, by these evil demons. Therefore you state your reason for starting this thread is to find a solution to depossess, or cut the controls of these demon like entities from controlling this small select group of humans.

You state:

“ I recognize the very high probability that we, the vast majority of humanity, is not anywhere near where we probably need to be in relation to this issue.”

So in your opinion where does humanity need to be, in order to take on the task of cutting these evil strings on select humans that you seem to speak of. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you.

Your conclusion puzzles me. If you feel this strongly about this issue of human sacrifice and how it is the foundational corner stone of all evil on earth affecting all humanity, than how could you protect yourself and your family? Wouldn’t it eat away at you and yours as well? How could you possibly protect yourself from such evil?

You state that you have achieved success in following your own advice, making you believe that you are:

” capable of setting and emulating metaphysical standards few on earth seem to either care to do or seem accept they are capable of doing.”

That is a power statement, and yet you don’t explain it, leaving what you said to
everyone’s personal conjectures. Wouldn’t it be more helpful to all readers, I know it would for me, if you weren’t vague with your words but gave clear concrete meaning to what you wrote above. What metaphysical standards are you speaking of?

You write again:

“It is perhaps why I may be one of the few on earth capable of discussing "S"RA and ""S"RHandAS"... perhaps the only one.”

You appear to feel frustrated and angry for not being able to discuss with others S RH and AS, which I assume means human and animal sacrifice. But is that because others won’t discuss it becasue they don't have the knowledge or inclination, or is it because you have not yet found the words to express what you know so you can discuss it with others?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[blake]

Consider the content of this post - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=646150&viewfull=1#post646150

what is clearly obvious to me is that there are non-human/non-physical entities managing the situation on earth for 3D human beings in physical form.

Some of these 3d physical human beings are conscious, knowledgeable participants (perhaps). But if you look at it from the point of view of who might actually be the "enemy" where do you draw the line within the isolated realm of 3D physicality.

We can clearly see who is anchored as a 3D physical being. There's where a line could be drawn. That is where I would seek to solve the problem. Of course, I also suggest we avoid the us and them dynamic. So then how could this be done? Rise above and make a collective decision that "we"... all humanity, do not wish to give our consent any longer to being the food supply of these non 3D physical world anchored beings whether they are organic beings or inorganic (perhaps thought generated) beings.

Hello justonewookiee,

Thank you for referring me to that post. I had not read that thread. But I now have a better understanding of what your reference points are concerning human and animal sacrifice.

I have some experience with realms beyond the 3d world we live in. But I am hardly an expert in other dimensions. I do know people who believe they have been abducted, and know a man who has written many books on the subject, although he has been unable to convince me that all he wrote on was fact.


I am a very practical human. Who am I to say what is, or isn’t reality in other dimensions, or how other dimensions interact in the 3d human world.
As I have said, I have had experience out of the 3d world, some very loving, some very nasty, and some very curious. And yet, I know nothing for sure about those other realities. But I do know for sure some things of this 3d world we live in, and I base my action based on what I know for sure.

There are a lot of theories out there. We as humans have not, in my opinion, been able to sift through what is true and what is not true in many cases. So as curious as I may be, I always stick with what I know when it concerns the foundational support of my family and myself, when I take action.

I am a firm believer that there are many ways to skin a cat, metaphorically speaking as I do love cats and would never harm one. But the essence that there are many ways of getting the same thing accomplished is something many humans seem to forget sometimes.

If one speaks English, why try to speak Chinese to get a point across, especially if your audience understands English. Why fight in another dimension when you can get the same results by fighting in the 3d world, a world you know well.

There is a metaphysical axiom, that I know you have heard many times before:
“ as above, so below”

To me that informs me that I can influence any dimension, by working in this 3d world. And that tells me that it is in my best interest to find a way to understand exactly what is happening in this 3d world. And I do that in various way, by reading a lot, getting on the front lines of how communities and organizations function, observing human nature and other ways as well. Yet within all that there are many false roads to follow, so I always pay attention to money as that seems to let me know what is going on. Folklore or fact about other dimesions is too dicy for disinformation, or misundersatndings.

Your purpose of this thread is to brainstorm how to stop human and animal sacrifice. I imagine different people will go about it differently. I prefer not supporting the humans that you suggest are performing this ugliness whether they be possessed by alien energy, demons, or are just bad human seed.

Because of the axiom: “ as above so below”, I think one can fight spiritual warfare in the 3d world by consistently doing what is right, and not what is convenient in our daily lives. But humans rationalize, they like a good drama. It is so much easier to fight demons that they know little of, instead of looking at the reality of the environment that they live in, and take correct action by disciplining their thoughts, and their actions.

Why is human sacrifice happening on the 3d level? Because, in my opinion, good people look away from the reality of the world they live in.

I am sure there are many competent ceremonial magicians out there, shamans, or Christian exorcists who could interfere in the spiritual warfare in other dimensions, but why fight on someone’s else’s turf? You always have the upper hand fighting on your own turf. I think the fight needs to stay in the 3d world.

Human sacrifice will not end, until humans start looking in the mirror at the choices they have made in life, and accept the responsibility of keeping goodness and freedom in their life and in their community. As long as humans feel they need to patronize those who rule with such low energy, then human sacrifice will always be.

But not all humans are equal. Some humans are mentally ill. And some mentally ill humans can’t fight what you want them to fight.

In order, to take on the New World Order, one has to not participate in their plans. An uneducated person, who does not know the gears of society, a mentally imbalanced person, who has trouble negotiating reality, or the humans with values limited to their own immediate self- interest can not discipline their minds to take the actions necessity not to patronize the New World Order, or fall for their carrots.

I suppose for some, like a fantasy in my opinion, it would be easier to believe that humans can magically fight these demons on another dimension, rather than strengthen their own minds to take proper action not to support those who hurt humans intentionally.

The post was all very interesting, and who is to say what is true and not true. But how is that post helping with practical issues of 3d reality, and in stopping humans sacrifice?

I would be interested in brainstorming how humanity, as a whole, can stop human sacrifice, as well as brainstorm how individuals can contribute in stopping human sacrifice. And I am open to discussing the plans to be worked out in other dimensions as well as the 3d world.

Will we ever know who the true enemy is? I believe we will. What is that biblical saying I believe, something like: " by their fruits you will know them"

As above so below. I firmly believe that any enemy force coming from another dimension, can easily be recogonized in its mirror like energy in this 3d world.

Sincerley,

Mr. Davis

[Chester]

I am about to conclude the situation on earth at this time cannot be resolved. With the current crew of fellow humans and how they prefer to approach problems as well as the general foundations of their points of view they reveal make the odds of humanity making any positive significant short term leap all bet zero percent.

That it is just you and me here even willing to type comments says a lot.

There are essentially zero thanks in most of the posts here and so I would conclude there are alos just about zero readers who get past a post or two.

And that brings me back to the thread title as well as my prediction in the OP - this thread is "dead on arrival."

I am not frustrated, I am not angry.

I am sad.

and please, call me by my name... Chester - faster and easier to type

[spiritguide]

Chester,

The ongoing dialog on the subject matter did not get my thanks because it was a good dialog and I realized that good points were being discussed on both sides of the issue. To not side so to speak. The nature of the outlined problem is the systematic de humanization of the human race. Leadership on this planet needs to show respect for the human worth without politics. Chavez was a leader that showed what it was like to be a true servant IMHO. A good start on this 3D world would be to treat others as you want to be treated.

[blake]

I am about to conclude the situation on earth at this time cannot be resolved. With the current crew of fellow humans and how they prefer to approach problems as well as the general foundations of their points of view they reveal make the odds of humanity making any positive significant short term leap all bet zero percent.

That it is just you and me here even willing to type comments says a lot.

there are essentially zero thanks in most of the posts here and so I would conclude there are alos just about zero readers who get past a post or two.

And that brings me back to the thread title as well as my prediction in the OP - this thread is "dead on arrival."

I am not frustrated, I am not angry.

I am sad.

and please, call me by my name... Chester - faster and easier to type


Hello Mr. Anderson,

I feel uncomfortable calling people by their first names, unless I know them well. I also think titles are important as they seem to help remind us of the roles we play in each others lives; and therefore using titles, among many other benefits, can sometimes be a natural aid in keeping conversations as professional as possible, and responsibilities as clear as possible. A title also defines the relationship between two people. My children’s friends call me Mr. Davis; my niece calls me Uncle, my children call me Dad. If someone were to call me by my first name, to me, that would imply we had a close relationship, privately or professionally. So please excuse me by not honoring your request to call you Chester, we all have our own ways of being comfortable and protective.

I agree that the situation on earth can not be resolved at this time. I believe that until individuals step up to the plate and call a spade a spade in how they manage their daily life, and make the corrections necessary to walk their talk while looking in the mirror at their actual actions, humans will always be the key player in entrapping themselves to this small minority group that runs the world. The bottom line, from my perspective, is that humans are their own worse enemies, not any demons that may be controlling the rulers of the world.

Trying to herd, or rally humans into taking collective action just doesn’t happen too often, not even in meaningful conversation. Humans seem more interested in expressing themselves. and sharing what they discovered, rather then having an exchange of ideas, or a brain storming session for corrective action. The art of meaningful conversation and friendly debate doesn’t seem to interest too many humans today. I find that more humans than not like to talk at you, instead of talk with you by having a conversation. And I think that is a huge part of the problem. A conversation is an exchange of energy. When energy moves it creates more ideas. When knowledge is static, it drowns the intellectual muscles into paralysis, making the mind immobile to take any concrete action with that knowledge acquired. The knowledge than often just becomes a form of entertainment or even gossip. The bad guys know you won’t do anything with it. It is just how humans are.


If humans really cared about the world, instead of just talking about caring about the condition of the world, I think collective action would have happened thousands of years ago. Yet the bankers are stronger than ever before. And it’s not because of demons from another dimension that the economy is the way it is. Many people are in economic straits, and the world economy is faltering because the average human went along with the bankers, and patronized all the bankers schemes in hopes to get their personal needs met.
Humans didn’t care if we had an honest economy, or banking system; humans didn’t want to read the small print or look the big picture; even though most educated humans understood that the international bankers are crooks, especially how they go about lending money, humans still choose to close their eyes and patronize them.

Those in control offered carrots and the humans took the carrots every time entrapping themselves. Why are humans not protective of their community, and their own well being? The demons are not doing this to them. The humans made and continue to make the decision everyday to interact with the bankers that are entrapping families and whole communities. And if there are demon and aliens, perhaps they find the human condition of entrapping themselves all so amusing. But its not amusing is it.

Have humans learned their lessons about these bankers yet? No, humans everyday make the decision not to use cash, making it easy for the bankers to make this a cashless society, and therefore entrapping people even more. Does that mean more powers to the demons and aliens? I don’t know, but I do know that it doesn’t empower or give freedom to the average human.

Why the world is the way it is, is not because of demons or aliens, it’s because of the human’s daily decisions to support those who suppress the majority. Some say they didn’t have a choice. Some say the demons are controlling the bankers. But few will admit they did business with the bad guys knowingly.

How many humans look at the world honestly, and admit that they choose to interact with the bad guys daily? Until humans take on the responsibility for building that nasty relationship with the bad guys, the world will continue on as is or probably just get worse. The banks may crash, but the bankers will rebuild the new economy with even more controls over humans, because the humans went along with the bankers and will continue to go along with the bankers , just as people allow themselves to be subjected to the TSA. Humans, for simple convenience, are always painting themselves into a corner and than blame it on the demons.


Reading about aliens and demons and ancient history is interesting. But its more important, in my opinion, to question and brainstorm how humans are going to obtain peace and more economic equality for everyday humans. How can they make better choices and support each other in deciding not to do business with the bad guys. It is as simple, and as difficult as that.


At one time, I really thought, when I was very young, that if only people had the right information, then they would do the right thing. Or, if only people had more support, or more leadership then people would do the right thing. Now I am a little wiser about the nature of the human condition. And because of the inherent nature of the human condition to be followers, to be selfish, to be greedy, to not take responsibility, to abuse any power they may have access to, not look at the bigger picture, to blame everyone and everything but themselves, they will continue to do business with the bad guys and we will continue to have the world we do, and the rulers that we do.

Why aren’t people participating on this thread? I don’t know why. Human sacrifice is a scary topic. It is a very real topic. Were readers hoping for entertainment about the gory details of the torture and the killings? Or did they just not want to discuss what really happens to people; like they really don’t want to know how they are helping the bad guys become richer, and also how they are continuingly contributing to the bad guys continuing getting even more power over the personal lives of the average human.


I understand you are sad about the humans condition. I think many of us are.

I also understand you are disappointed that more posts weren’t made on this thread. But I wouldn’t describe it as dead on arrival. I enjoyed exchanging posts and ideas with you. I hope you did too. Even though the thread didn’t match your expectations of Avalonians coming together to brainstorm ideas to end the practice of human and animal sacrifice, I think you created a thread that many did read, they just didn’t participate, but I am sure you gave them much to chew on.

Human and animal sacrifice won't end, until everyday human get off the sidelines, build some values, and stop doing business with the bad guys. But of course, as always, that is just all my very humble opinion.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Chester]

Human and animal sacrifice won't end, until everyday human get off the sidelines, build some values, and stop doing business with the bad guys. But of course, as always, that is just all my very humble opinion.



Good Evening Mr. Davis,

Sounds like a wise plan. I don't make the odds very high that plan will succeed based on the greed levels of those in the tiers below the practitioners that turn their heads to the horrors while supporting and protecting their "masters'" management systems of the herds.

I recommend you consider exploring the threads in this section. This is where I spend most of my time now while on the Avalon forum.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?109-Priority-Threads

You asked me to describe my foundations for my various points of view and strangely, I just experienced within the last 24 hours a massive shift in one of most major foundational points of view due to the information and a final "light bulb" popping found in this thread by started by an absolute genius with as pure a heart as you could ever find named Vivek - here's the link -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague

I will also add that the thread that essentially saved my own life (not an exaggeration by the way) is this one which I discovered on April 26, 2012 and at that time the thread had just 10 pages. If you do a reasonable scan of this thread, you will observe my constant participation as well as my push for solutions.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

I will also add that I created several solution approach threads and at one point I generated a thread OP that explored every known angle of how to approach and then begin the process of solving this problem from every known experiential angle. It got very little "air play." That I point that out is not a matter of ego. It is simply making an observation as to the strange reluctance folks have in becoming involved in what may be the single most critical ongoing practice in the known history of humanity.

First I tried a solutions gathering thread (yes, I already had much of my own ideas and yes, I appointed myself to be the project manager).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48439-Horus-Ra-gathering-solution-ideas-thread

Then I made the promised "solutions proposal" post -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49927-The-promised-Horus-Ra-solution-proposal

And then I attempted to "retire" from saving the world - (hard to do when one has been implanted with a massive savior complex and that same one [I]likes it[I]) -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50070-Bill-was--is--right-a-view-from-Golden-Pond

Retirement didn't last but I didn't want to derail Houamn's thread so... -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53799-Horus-Ra-justoneman-s-spinoff-thread

Anyways, we do have lots to chew on, yes? But "who" is riding along with each of "us" while we chew?

Kind Regards
Mr. Hunter

(the "Mr. Anderson" I used in a previous post was in reference to the daytime "Neo" from the Matrix movies - see... I have a massive savior complex).

[Chester]

Mr. Davis, I would like to isolate one more quote...


At one time, I really thought, when I was very young, that if only people had the right information, then they would do the right thing. Or, if only people had more support, or more leadership then people would do the right thing. Now I am a little wiser about the nature of the human condition. And because of the inherent nature of the human condition to be followers, to be selfish, to be greedy, to not take responsibility, to abuse any power they may have access to, not look at the bigger picture, to blame everyone and everything but themselves, they will continue to do business with the bad guys and we will continue to have the world we do, and the rulers that we do.

I am an odds maker by trade. One of the requirements of a proposition is based on the time as to when the proposition is to be "resulted." In your quote, there is an implication you are making. That implication is that something you label as "the human condition" which you then describe with a list of specifics which undoubtedly is not the whole garbage list but serves its purpose is a something which we are stuck with, something that we have to settle for, something which we, as humans, could never put permanently in our past.

Yet within the realms of form are things that make up a whole. And just like a proposition wager, in this case there is a.) the so called "human condition" is permanent, and b.) the so called "human condition" can be transcended.

Unfortunately, to make that a wagerable proposition, we need a time where the proposition can be resulted. So let's say we set the time to be 200 years.

Is that possible?

If the answer is yes, then why not make it in 20 years?

But if we settle for... "this is just the human condition" is not a doctor needed? That's what I hear people need when they suffer from some condition.

The reason I make all these statements and as a case in point as to why I felt we might not be able to have much of a conversation is because within my current world view is the fact that an individual's "spirit" is beyond space/time/form, etc. and not subject to finity (finality) without consent... it can reincarnate, it can be anchored in other dimensions, other densities, other realms, other worlds, and on and on... and that my spirit could very well be caught up in the anchoring into what I refer to as a reincanative complex on one spinning ball in a physical universe for a significant period of time does not mean that within the data set of possibilities, I (nor anyone else, nor all of us) must be stuck in this specific manifestation of what is being called "the human condition" forever.

If that is the case, why don't we simply leave this silly dynamic now?

BUT! If is accept that this so labeled human condition is permanent... and no, you did not say it was, but it seems you very definitely implied this... if I were faced with having to accept that to be an inescapable and forever fact, then I would believe I have given up on my family, loved ones, friends, community and the world for that matter.

If I reached that state where I accepted the BS we all contribute to and generate on this planet as "this is just the way it is as it is the human condition," I might as well end things for myself now as I am actually, already dead as only death aligns with that sort of view... in my humble opinion.

This is one of the reasons it is difficult for me to have a conversation with most folks because most folks buy into that sort of thinking and when they do... when "we" do... the ballgame is already long over.

I am only one wookiee, and so being justonewookiee, I can only think, speak/write and do for myself and so thus I have done in this lovely, very dead on arrival, thread.