What if you die before 'it' all happens?

[Tony]

What if you die before 'it' all happens?

What was the point of worrying?
What a foolish waste of life!

There will always be hostility,
fear and suffering in the world,
caused by a personal
identification with everything.

We are embodied beings of reality
dwelling for a while in an illusion.
The illusion can have no effect
on reality.

Just look around
you are not going to change the world,
change your self first.

At least don't
make
things
worse.

[Calz]

Then I get a front row seat to enjoy the beauty of it all unfold ... without having to suffer the physicality of it all ...

Popcorn???

:pop2:


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[Tony]

You will forget too.
We are not really here that long.
When young it feels like a life time.
When old it's the blink of an eye.
Memories are like yesterday
all soon forgotten.
You will forget too,
bugger!

Be grateful for every moment.

[Shamz]

Beautiful ! I love the website you included in your Signature.

[greybeard]

Dr Hawkins, who had some sense of humour said. " If you want to help the world stay out of traffic"
He also said in that context "at least then you wont make it worse"

While the thought is here two sayings.
"Your brother, your killer"
"That which gives you pleasure, brings you pain"

Chris.

[Daughter of Time]

Pie-n'eal,

Your words are wise.

But how does one change thousands, or perhaps millions, of years of conditioning, programming and brain-washing about worrying?

When I went to school, I never saw a course named "worry-not 101". If i had, I would have gladly taken it.

As a matter of fact, if any student ever did anything even remotely questionable, the teachers saturated them with worries about telling the principle, telling their parents, having to deal with repercussions and consequences, about their future being ruined because their actions were questionable, etc., etc., etc.,

Our education system is so pathetically damaging, how can we undo its damage?

Most of our parents were so damaged themselves that they could not help but damage their children.

Everyone I know worries about something, even the most care-free people I know worry about something.

Meditation helps somewhat, but in my case, only to a small degree.

What can one do to stop worrying?

Can you enlighten us?

[Shamz]

What can one do to stop worrying?

Well for starters I guess Stop worrying about how to stop worrying.

Jokes apart - I think this is the limitation of this body that we have. I personally feel the same way, I don't worry about things in general but I do have some responsibilities, my work, my wife, kids, parents etc etc.
I don't worry about them all the time, but it is there in some corner of my heart/brain. But this is something I can't help. I chose to live this life like this - I could have gone to Himalayas or remain secluded for the rest of my life, but I did not.

But I am doing my part - helping myself more than others to keep calm inside.

Not sure if it helps but my 2 cents

Peace and Love

[greybeard]

Hi Daughter of Time.
Im going to say something which was said to me and hurt and annoyed me at the time.

"Stop talking to yourself"

Eventually I got it--- the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle helped immensely.

You are not your thoughts--- your belief and identification with the thoughts bring the stress and worry.

I can honestly say that I am without stress and worry because I started to apply the principals found in tha book and quite a few others.
It took time but if I could anyone can.

Loads of videos and advice that may help on this thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.

Not saying its easy but the silent mind is possible

Regards Chris

[Calz]

What can one do to stop worrying?




I know you are being completely serious.

Several levels here ... most of which I cannot address.

What I *do* understand is this ...


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No not mind controlled oblivious disregard for what is happening in the world.

Become ... "the observer"

Never forget what the nature of "reality" is ...

... and be happy :haha:

as always ... IMHO

[giovonni]

i feel sometimes that i have died a thousand deaths upon this plane, but it is the thought of being 'born again' that concerns me the most.

[Tony]

Pie-n'eal,

Your words are wise.

But how does one change thousands, or perhaps millions, of years of conditioning, programming and brain-washing about worrying?

When I went to school, I never saw a course named "worry-not 101". If i had, I would have gladly taken it.

As a matter of fact, if any student ever did anything even remotely questionable, the teachers saturated them with worries about telling the principle, telling their parents, having to deal with repercussions and consequences, about their future being ruined because their actions were questionable, etc., etc., etc.,

Our education system is so pathetically damaging, how can we undo its damage?

Most of our parents were so damaged themselves that they could not help but damage their children.

Everyone I know worries about something, even the most care-free people I know worry about something.

Meditation helps somewhat, but in my case, only to a small degree.

What can one do to stop worrying?

Can you enlighten us?

Dear DoT

This is a timely subject: it depends on the right time, right place, right person.who recognises that they are suffering. When you are truly dissatisfied with the games that are being played, and start to look for the cause of suffering, you will find a method to deal with that. If we are bound up with events of the world, then there will be no end to inner turmoil and we will just react to circumstances, which will, in turn, create a compounding effect.

Whatever spiritual path we follow, we will still encounter suffering - but we won't make such a big deal out of it. We will start to see that karma is exhausting itself. We can't blame others, because everything takes place in the mind.

Whatever harm, fear or suffering we experience in this world, it is due to a personal identification with everything. Physical life can never be perfect, as it is based on a conventional, relative reality: we are the reality, embodied in a temporary avatar. It is the trying-to-make-it-perfect that causes the worry. Like trying to cover all the rough roads with leather: all we need to do is put leather on our own feet.

When we understand that the first instant of a negative emotion is wisdom-mind seeing clearly, and just let that be, then there is room for intelligence. But that quickly turns into a negativity which we then justify and react to, because of our habitual patterning.

If we can accept that what we have is enough, then our desires diminish, and compassion increases.

When we go beyond -
...hope for happiness and fear of suffering,
hope for fame and fear of insignificance,
hope for praise and fear of blame,
hope for gain and fear of loss...

...then we may gain access to universal knowledge and love - we go beyond our own hopes and fears.
Having confidence in that, trust arises.
From that trust, confidence arises.
From that confidence, joy arises.

As they say down under..."no worries"...!

It's a tough road, and some of us have to go through bootcamp, but this means that we can empathise with the suffering of others, and perhaps become truly compassionate. There will always be hostility in the universe and we can't change that - but we can cut through its temporary appearance.


Tony

[GloriousPoetry]

''Through The Eyes of An Angel"'

There is a certainty of beauty
that lies beneath the wonder
that craddles every child's
new born fate, through the
eyes of an angel it is a place
where the soul must follow its own
praise to rediscover creation's
primary taste...

We die before we remember who we are?

[Tony]

Once our eyes are open,
no one can pull the wool
over them again.

Once we are wake,
we can start to do
somethings for our brothers and sisters.

Everyone has a talent
to be used by the sacred universe.
Just be open to it.


The whole universe is waiting for us,
to ask for help, so we can also help.
Pass it on.

[Tony]

Worry.

Worry isolate us.
Worry is dis-ease.
If we are ill-at-ease
Our minds are disturbed.
Being at ease is natural.


Worry...Anxiety...Fear...Depression...depleted immune system...poor physical and mental health...all these arise from dis-ease.

This is our 'lot'. This human realm is governed by desire and frustration, and these very words describe addiction. Whatever situation we find ourselves in was our creation! Our job, family, home, life style, are a product from our past...with a little help from the 'corporations'.

As this is our creation, we have to allow it to dwell for a while and then dissolve, without creating new creations! If we maintain our desire for things to be perfect, this will only make things worse. The search for happiness is the cause of suffering. You are already happy but fail to recognise it.

I have a noisy neighbour one one side of my terraced house: she is noisy because she is hard of hearing. And when the other neighbour's family comes to stay, it's like a chicken gathering! It never lasts long, so there is no point in complaining. Other neighbours, a long way away, are bombing one another, and I cannot do anything about that...so again, there is no point in complaining. If we can do something about a situation, we do something, without making things worse.

How we react reveals our level of understanding and capacity, so we have to tread carefully. On a coarse, human level, we fight and retaliate. We read this day in and day out on forums, where people are trying to wind one another up, in order to prove a point (and their superiority).

I once had a discuss with a Tibetan Lama about another lama whose behaviour was...well, to put it in my teachers words, “Enthusiastic.” We could have used more colourful words, but the point was that my teacher did not want to disturb his own mind, my mind or anyone else's mind. When you are working at that level, every moment is significant.

Worrying is pointless: we just get stuck in a loop, and are not thinking constructively. We merely have be aware of what is going on, and the causes of that. Then, where possible, we find a solution, and act on it. We are not going to change the world, only ourselves.


It is natural to be dissatisfied.
That is the cause for change.
Worry takes us in one direction,
Acceptance in another.
Neither accept nor reject,
But merely be aware of what take place in the mind.

[Tony]

Worry

is turning what is into what if,
anticipating something unfortunate
happening in the future,
as opposed to what is actually happening
now.
There are no advanced levels of spirituality
we merely return to the beginning.
Our task is deconstruction!