Dimension of Scientology

[wegge]

Hello all. As some of you might know Bill was associated with some Scientology off shoot group.
I delved into Scientology the last few weeks and I really think it´s a rewarding practice. Here I want to give you some contact point if you want to further investigate this topic. Since there has been a lot of hullabaloo I think you have to look at this from a few different angles.


„In studying, be very, very certain you never go past a word you do not fully understand. The only reason a person gives up a study or becomes confused or unable to learn is that he has gone past a word or phrase that was not understood. If the material becomes confusing or you cannot seem to grasp it, there will be a word just earlier that you have not understood. Do not go any further! Go back to the place you were reading before you got into trouble, find the misunderstood word and get it defined.“

A good source for what lead to and caused the split in the official church that happened during the 70´s and early 80´s would be Bill and Kerry´s Interview with Dane Top´s : http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

In the aftermath of this split, off shoot groups like the freezone or Ron´s Org emerged. The Ron´s Org was founded by Captain Bill Robertson in Frankfurt Germany. On this website http://www.freezone.de/english/e_philo.htm
you find lots of talks by Robertson, how he developed Hubbards advanced material further.

Here you find pages of some oldschool freelancers: http://workabletechnology.com/
www.lifeenhance.org
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/

These guys are offering auditing per Skype: http://oditing.tora.ru/english.html

If you want to do something yourself you can use L. Ron Hubbards book „Self Analysis“
http://www.wosco.org/books/Psichology/Self_analysis.pdf

I currently read/work with a books of Ken Ogger a.k.a The Pilot. He´s a self appointed Reformator of Scientology who listened to two thirds of the talks given by LRH between 50´s and 70´s (roughly 3000hrs) and he claims that the actual teaching of Scientology incorporates only 10-20% of this Data given. You should know that he allegedly committed suicide and he seems to have been in some mental turmoil, nonetheless I think this book is helpful and good to work with.
You can download his self clear book from here amongst other maybe useful downloads:
http://freezoneearth.org/pilot/self/index.htm

Dianetics = a practice of discharging mental recordings of painful incidents (called engrams) to relieve the person of mental stress and aberrations.

Ron Hubbard (LRH) = the founder of Dianetics in the late 1940s (popularized in 1950) and subsequently of Scientology (1952).

Scientology = a study of the mind and spirit. It was originally addressed to solving the problem that tracing back chains of Dianetic engramic recordings continually yielded past life incidents instead of the prenatal incidents originally predicted by Dianetic theory.

thetan = a spiritual being, the person himself instead of his body.

clear = In theory, a person who has been cleared of his aberrations. In practice, a person who has run Dianetics sufficiently to cease reacting to or being effected by the pain in mental image pictures (engrams) or somebody who has achieved the same result by doing the Scientology clearing course.

This was the original goal of Dianetics.

auditor = one who listens. The Scientology term for a spiritual counselor. These are the practitioners of Scientology. The equivalent of a psychoanalyst except that they don't psychoanalyze, instead they run Scientology processes and listen to the person's answers

auditing = spiritual counseling. The action of running processes (enlightening questions) which will help the person find out more about himself. This includes both Dianetic engram running and Scientology processes

preclear (PC) = Somebody trying to become cleared of his aberrations. In practice, this is used to refer to anybody who is being audited even if they are "clear".

operating thetan (OT) = a person (thetan) who is capable of operating without a body. In practice, the term is used to refer to people who have been audited on the OT levels after achieving the state of clear even though the current OT levels have been designated as PreOT levels because they are only stepping stones towards a true achievement of the OT state.

"When in doubt, communicate".

I would be glad for input from scientology experienced and inexperienced members.

Kind regards :hug:

[kanishk]

'Handbook for preclears' is also similar kind of book as 'self analysis'. Do you have experience with these books?

If you are doing sessions from 'Timecops' http://oditing.tora.ru/english.html please share your experience.

[Hervé]

Hi wegge,

Regarding "The Pilot," A.K.A. Ken Ogger, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=622860&viewfull=1#post622860) <--- and, also, see the discussion/comments on Mark Rathbun website (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/) starting here (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/01/26/mission-statement/#comment-251679) <---. What LRH made public in writing was the "safe" path to make it out of the nightmare, leaving out anything that would lead one into troubles.

[wegge]

Hey Amzer,

to me it seems the discussion revolves primary about accusation of plagiarism? He openly states in his books that Hubbard set the way.
This post of yours was what at first also let me steer clear of the Pilot but 1 or 2 weeks later the thought about it flashed up and I started reading the books. Through his book SuperScio I was for example made aware of Goal Problem Mass(GPM), that gave me great insights into contradicting behaviour. As I get it in Scientology this is reserved for some OT level because it could be too restimulating? My viewpoint is that many topics in this whole forum are also possibly restimulating, imagine yourself reading the first time something in the direction of "you have no ego, every desire is illusion, the whole sensual world is just a imagination".

Of course it would be better if you could work in tandem but it´s hard to find someone in physical proximity with the same interest in the subject.
A problem of tandem could be one forcing something incorrect down another´s throat.

[Hervé]

The issue of plagiarism comes as a counter-claim that Ken Ogger improved anything, just reworded the Tech.

Then there is the fact that he, himself, didn't manage to attain a state of clear with his method.

As for the tandem/twinning issue, that's where the whole setup of training and supervision come into play, as in: would one let a Joe sixpack fresh off the street fly a jet loaded with nuclear warheads without even flight simulations sessions nor an instructor behind him ready to correct flying mistakes?

[wegge]

Okay point taken, lets focus on the useful stuff, this I really liked playing around with you can alter the image in many ways or adding stuff,changing texture not just making copies and changing the color:

Automaticities

"The mind does many things on automatic.

The general rule for gaining control over something automatic is to exaggerate it, doing more of it consciously until it comes under your control, or to alternate doing it more and less. If you stutter, for example, you could make yourself stutter more than normal and then less than normal in alternate sentences until you get some control over it.

In this step, we are interested in gaining some control over various things that the mind is doing automatically.

Close your eyes. Notice what you are looking at. Sometimes people have mental pictures or after images. Sometimes there are splotches of "energy". Sometimes there is just blackness but there is an "intensity" to the blackness.

Whatever you "see" with your eyes closed, make a mental image copy of it, just like it but off to the side. This could be a screen with a copy of the image on it, or it could even be a three dimensional copy of the space that you are viewing. Just get whatever you can whether real or flimsy or even just the idea that you are projecting a copy.

Now make more copies. Make them to the right and to the left. Make them over your head and below it. Put some in back of you. Keep making copies until something dissolves or relaxes.

Now open your eyes. Notice things that you like about the room until you feel comfortable.

Close your eyes again. Notice what you are looking at and again make a mental image copy of it. This time, take the copy and start changing the colors around. If something is white, make it blue. If something is gray, make it orange, etc. Keep shifting the colors around until something dissolves or relaxes.

Open your eyes and look around, noticing things about the room.

Then do this a third time, making a few copies and putting various colors into the copies.

Experiment a bit with all three of these techniques, namely, making multiple copies, or changing colors, or a mixture of the two. Find out which one you are most comfortable with and do it a few more times.

All three of these methods can be used to handle a stuck mental picture or automatic and compulsive creation of mental imagery. This can be very useful if you run into trouble while fooling around with the mind. It gives you another safety net.

Learn this one well because it is the thing to do if you can't get some picture or worry out of your mind.

If, for example, you are worried that something is going to happen and you can't stop thinking about it, then visualize it and make many copies of the picture, changing its colors and altering it until you have control over it.

Note that worrying unnecessarily about something is a good way to attract it. And if you are worried about something real, this will increase your ability to face and handle it."

In regards of him not being clear you should still consider the possibility of mental warfare against him, if you look at the history of scientology (Dane tops) you see that there have been a lot things going on.

[wegge]

'Handbook for preclears' is also similar kind of book as 'self analysis'. Do you have experience with these books?

If you are doing sessions from 'Timecops' http://oditing.tora.ru/english.html please share your experience.

I don´t know about the "Handbook for preclears". I did some of the lists of self analysis it´s interesting and gives you a nice view about things but I really scratched just the surface.
Currently I´m not planning doing sessions from timecops I just wanted to include it here as a possibility for people.

[wegge]

Does anybody know if or were you can get the lectures for an reasonable prize or for free AND unaltered?

[wegge]

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found on this website: http://completeyourbridge.org/
they are also offering their auditing per skype

[Hervé]

Check this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38239-Civil-War-in-the-Church-of-Scientology..-&p=398591&viewfull=1#post398591) <--- and thread: Civil War in the Church of Scientology..! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38239-Civil-War-in-the-Church-of-Scientology..-)


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There's a torrent download of original LRH materials (books, encyclopedic research volumes, and audio tapes) which is freely available here:

http://projectavalon.net/Library_of_L_Ron_Hubbard_texts_from_Free_Zone_Scientology.4701972.TPB.torrent

[kanishk]

Does anybody know if or were you can get the lectures for an reasonable prize or for free AND unaltered?

For now this link is not working for me in India. I think there is more probability that it will work in Germany.
ftp://62.176.21.243/
user: 2013
pass: 2013
From Galac-Patra /Timecops.
I dont know but if you email timecops, he will give you some another link for downloading.

All the mp3 files can be automatically downloaded by using Filezilla FTP client or Globescape FTP client.

This was the recent most location they have updated. These link always crash after some time and these guys renew it time to time. When you use this link after 2-3 days it will not work and may be after 2 weeks it will start to work again.

There is another bunch of audio lections I have downloaded from link given in whyweprotest forum >> http://www.mediafire.com/?ndukyxqvr2v3b#myfiles. There is a possibility that some many of those mp3 are altered, therefore I use to open PDF transcripts from 'Complete Library of L Ron Hubbard texts from Free Zone'.

[wegge]

thanks kanishk, yes I think I will also stick to the transcipts at first.

[wegge]

Some quotes of LRH about Dreams:

"Dreams are crazy house mirrors by which the analyzer looks down into
the engram bank."

"Dreams are puns on words and situations in the engram bank."

"Dreams are not much help, being puns."

"Dreams are not much used in dianetics."

"You will hear dreams from patients. Patients are hard to shut off
when they start telling dreams. If you want to waste your time, you
will listen."
-from _Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health_, pgs. 296-297

***

"A frantic effort to orient, just to locate himself so that he can feel
secure, that's what a dream is and a dream of course is pretended knowingness
because he is at none of these places."(??)
-from Saint Hill Special Briefing Course tape 39, "Q & A - Anatomy and
Assessment of Goals", August 15, 1961

***

"Dreams are alter-ises of the things you can't not-is."
-from Saint Hill Special Briefing Course tape 122 "The Bad Auditor",
March 19, 1962

***

"Dreams follow a sudden loss. It's an effort to orient oneself and get
something back."
-from HCOB 29 March 1965 "All Levels ARC Breaks"


***

"A dream in its normal function is that powerful and original mechanism
called the imagination compositing or creating new pictures."
-from _Dianetics: The Original Thesis_, 1970 edition

what do you think about this? I think that at least you can get some insights from them on what to work on. And how about lucid dreaming?

[Bo Atkinson]

[Excerpts on Dreams]

"Dreams are ........

"Dreams are ..........

"Dreams are not ........

"Dreams are not .......

"You will hear dreams from patients. .........
***

"........a dream of course is pretended knowingness............"



".......Dreams are alter-ises of the things you can't not-is."


"Dreams follow a sudden loss. It's an effort to orient oneself and get
something back."


"A dream in its normal function is that powerful and original mechanism
called the imagination compositing or creating new pictures."
...[End text quotes].....


what do you think about this? I think that at least you can get some insights from them on what to work on. And how about lucid dreaming?

Wegge, As to your text quotes above: Note the dates of origin first and then consider likely contexts. The Dianetics texts refer to present-life conditions and separately, to the growing (1950s) movement of dedicated people to 'destimulate' society, from stuck mental circuitry. The 1950's expansion grew into Scientology which recognized the past life circuitry as possessions of a spirit-soul...

The present time track responsibility grows into the whole track spiritual agenda.

There also was sort of a western pride to it in 1960s slogans like "Buddhism combined with IBM" ... IBM referring to the main frame computer industry before PCs and high power marketing conceit of dog eat dog. I had just enough western heritage to get excited about the "havingness" and "doingness". About becoming powerful and a highly successful being. Also, just enough eastern heritage to question everything about the "beingness", (thus getting me into trouble there).

The contexts of quotations are multiple, if not overwhelming to catalog. In that L.Ron's written words, refer to specific conditions, of cases of people he was working with, live. (Instances occurring long ago...) Therefore, some text quotes refer to specific case-conditions of individual life conditions, (of the organization clients or staff). I listened to about 50 hours of advanced course tapes, in which L. Ron spoke so openly about his auditing- remedies which he worked out... He was actually working them out, as matter of factuality, right along the way. I loved the openness and dared think we all deserved that processing freedom, without the regimented western-expansionist-dictator downfall-into power-monger-self-deceit.

The expansion of his organizations was quick and must have alarmed TPTB types, who probably snuck in, under cover, and really got their power trips unleashed. The flavoring seemed to me, decidedly over done. So i moved on. Unfortunately, as i see it, some power-wako got the better of the legal organizational structures... We can read an insider version of this in the Dane story: http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.htm I never got so involved or trained or staffed, but appreciate much of the tech.

[wegge]

Thanks wavy. I don´t want to state any absolutes in this thread I would like to encourage an open discussion so I wanted to throw this part of dreams just in and get the thoughts of members especially if one considers that everything Ron did was context dependend we also should (or shouldn´t, who cares anyway we can mockup any perspective we like :) ) act like that.

What just struck me was the part ""A frantic effort to orient, just to locate himself so that he can feel secure, that's what a dream is and a dream of course is pretended knowingness
because he is at none of these places." That was in 1961 way after introduction of Scientology/Spirit and if lucid dreaming is possible I think some part of YOU really can be at these places.

Why I posted the part of dreams at first was that yesterday evening it just popped up in my mind what would be the perspective of dreams in Scientology. Following that thought came the thought that if you´re a able Lucid Dreamer you could push your own case or possibly others (dream sharing) in a much faster way.

[Hervé]

[...]

if you´re a able Lucid Dreamer you could push your own case or possibly others (dream sharing) in a much faster way.

Oxymoron or how mainstream terminology twists meanings and impedes any possible achievements in any field (see Ingo Swann's book "Penetration" and how the definition of "Telepathy" prevents any one to achieve it from mainstream's definition).

See?

If one is lucid, then, one ain't "dreaming." Or, if one is dreaming, then, one ain't "lucid" but under the spell of one's unconscious...


"A frantic effort to orient, just to locate himself so that he can feel secure, that's what a dream is and a dream of course is pretended knowingness because he is at none of these places."
LRH also mentioned something about "astral travels" as a being/thetan getting out of a body but accompanied by all its "baggages;" that is, all the unconscious filters, programmings, "their" mind, etc... whereas the goal of "exteriorization" is to get a being/thetan out of its assigned body AND out of its assigned mind/"their" mind and "baggages."

Same type of oxymoron as with "remote viewing"... how can one "remote view" the other side of the Moon without BEING THERE, in part or as a whole with partial or full perceptions in working order?

See how "thinking for oneself" can get one into unfathomable rabbit holes?

[wegge]

[...]

if you´re a able Lucid Dreamer you could push your own case or possibly others (dream sharing) in a much faster way.

Oxymoron or how mainstream terminology twists meanings and impedes any possible achievements in any field (see Ingo Swann's book "Penetration" and how the definition of "Telepathy" prevents any one to achieve it from mainstream's definition).

See?

If one is lucid, then, one ain't "dreaming." Or, if one is dreaming, then, one ain't "lucid" but under the spell of one's unconscious...


"A frantic effort to orient, just to locate himself so that he can feel secure, that's what a dream is and a dream of course is pretended knowingness because he is at none of these places."
LRH also mentioned something about "astral travels" as a being/thetan getting out of a body but accompanied by all its "baggages;" that is, all the unconscious filters, programmings, "their" mind, etc... whereas the goal of "exteriorization" is to get a being/thetan out of its assigned body AND out of its assigned mind/"their" mind and "baggages."

Same type of oxymoron as with "remote viewing"... how can one "remote view" the other side of the Moon without BEING THERE, in part or as a whole with partial or full perceptions in working order?

See how "thinking for oneself" can get one into unfathomable rabbit holes?

I agree with people taking all their baggage with them, you can see it at "lucid" dreaming forums, some people start making their fantasies whatever they are a reality. But you can also observe yourself and your thoughts and that´s what I´m thinking of.

It´s also a good reminder to get the definitions clear. As I understood it by the talk of CPT Bill Robertson there are 3 kinds of telepathy, maybe the definition is just too narrow?

What about calling it conscious dreaming? Let´s assume you´re at another stage of reality. I don´t suppose you leave it instantly when you get "lucid". You just increase your conciousness, there isn´t also just the state of lucid or not, there are nuances. Same as in waking life/reality, everyone has a different consciousness but we tend to label them all as awake when we see them on the streets. (although sometimes you could think people are somnambulating the whole day)

Could you expand on exteriorization?

[Hervé]

[...]

What about calling it conscious dreaming?

[...]

If you insist on referring to the activity as [something] "dreaming," then, you are insisting that the activity be relegated to a realm reserved to wild imaginations and fantasies... same way MSM belittles genuine researches with a labeling of "Conspiracy Theories."

"Exteriorization" would be an OBE without taking one's mind/filters/programs/constructs along for the trip.

[kanishk]

Here are some video tapes, audio tapes and some texts shared on direct links on http://www.galac-patra.org/freezone-eng/english.html by freezone. And on this link http://www.galac-patra.org/english.html Material by Captain Bill Robertson, very useful.

[kanishk]

I think that the reason why malevolent ETs are so indirect and lengthy in their approach about their activities, manipulation etc. on earth, still having many advanced technologies is because of NON INTERFERENCE DECREE and The Free Zone Decree.

The NON-INTERFERENCE DECREE on Sector 9 was received on Earth on the 29th April 1982 at 1200 GMT. It states, (as relayed from Mainship, Sector 9):

"The stars in this Sector are under a Non-Interference Decree from Galactic Central - Grand Council. The stipulations of the decree are:

1. No interference is permitted in the zone known as Sector Nine until further notice.

2. This decree is to be enforced by the Galactic Patrol.

3. There shall be no use of atomic, chemical, or biological weapons in the zone.

4. Travel to and from the zone is regulated and shall be subject to verification of intent and escort by the patrol.

5. The technical and ethical experiment in progress by Sector Commander Elron Elray is not to be interferred with in any way whatsoever as it is extremely vital to the future of the Galaxy and its inhabitants.

6. The Ethics Order by Commander Elray on the being Xenu, currently Joseph Strasburg, alias "Herr J." or "Mister J." or Germany/Switzerland banking circles, declaring him Suppressive, is to be enforced.

7. It is to be understood that this is a controlled and protected Sector until further notice.

8, Communications to and from Sector 9 shall be routed through Galactic Central Ambassadorial Section and final authority in cases of dispute shall be held by the Grand Council.

By order of the Grand Council



GALACTIC CENTRAL

---------

The FREE ZONE DECREE was received on Earth on the 10th of November 1982 at 1030 GMT. It states, (as relayed from Mainship, Sector 9):

OFFICIAL DECREE - GALACTIC GRAND COUNCIL

1. The planet known as Teegeeack - local dialect "Earth" or "Terra" - Sun 12, Sector 9, is hereby declared a Free Zone.

2. No political interference in its affairs from any other part of the Sector or Galaxy will be tolerated.

3. No economic interference in its affairs will be tolerated from any non-planetary agency or power.

4. All of its inhabitants are hereby declared Free Zone Citizens and free of external political or economic interference.

5. The regulating agency of this decree is the Galactic Patrol Sector 9, Sector Commander Elron Elray and his designated representatives.

6. The planet is henceforth under the Sole Auspices of the Galactic Patrol, Sector 9, for coordination with Galactic and Sector Affairs and for compliance with this decree.

7. The Technical and Ethical experiments in progress on Teegeeack are not affected by this decree and are to continue under the auspices of the Galactic Patrol, Sector 9.

8. This Decree is issued by unanimous vote of the Grand Council.

GRAND COUNCIL CHAIRMAN

FOR ALL MEMBERS SECTOR 0 GALAXY 1

There are more details on www.galac-patra.org/english/sector_9.zip and www.galac-patra.org/english/teegeeack.zip

And also this area of Galaxy was from earlier time is declared as freezone, like neutralzone in Starstrek. All the communications within this sector and from this sector only allowed through Galactic central in center of the galaxy.

[kanishk]

This is a video in which some people are telling their story about how they completed their bridge in Freezone i.e. outside the Church of $cientology.

Scientology The Complete Bridge in Ten Years

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[wegge]

what a beatiful group!
I´m currently reading Peter Moons "the Montauk book of the dead" and it´s kinda oautobiograhpical. He spent 11 years in the Sea Org.
He´s talking about a lot of ups and downs and the "monkey cage", that´s what happening when a lot of people each with their own filtern/engrams come together.
What touched me the most was his description of his 1st years in Scientology where he´s describing the community of a church, everyday there are seminars, a lot of auditing is going on and many like minded people with a desire to know more about how things in the universe and in themselves work.

[Aurelius]

for completeness sake .. people should ask themselves the question: "where did Ron get the main ideas from that put him on his path? what did he bump into that gave him the ideologies / concepts? ie. where did it start and what caused it to begin then?"

answer: from what i understand ... he found? / stole? a little book !!

ps. i believe this to be S cien tology 2.0 (the next step in it's evolution):

http://www.spiritologie.org/the-book/

[Hervé]

[...]
answer: from what i understand ... he found? / stole? a little book !!

[...]

Which little book are you referring to?

[Aurelius]

[...]
answer: from what i understand ... he found? / stole? a little book !!

[...]

Which little book are you referring to?

this was explained to me a few years back by a some people that had been in Sc ien tology for many years (they are now what is referred to as "freez oners") ...

from what I understand Ron was always interested in the occult, mysticism etc. from an early age ...

i was told he came across a soldier who was wounded? / dead? during the war ... Ron took a book from his coat .. from what i understand it was a book with coded information / diagrams typical of that which the Maso n's have .. the idea's and concepts in there were of great use to him .. and dia netics followed thereafter ...

i was also told patrick flan agan invented (for them) the e-meter that they use still to this day (no doubt it has been tweaked through the years by others) ...

[wegge]

when was the incident with the book? maybe it was a culmination of things. when he was 27 in 1938 he had a NDE but was able to resist the command at the end of it "to forget about it all".
That seems to really got him started, afterwards he wrote excalibur which is a anticipation of Scientology. It seems that he released Dianetics 1st in 1950 compared to Scientology in 1952 to not break too hard into peoples confort zones, getting a common denominator. That also explains how he was able to do such a quantum leap in such a short period of time, in fact he didn´t do it in such a short time.

about the occult thing: it´s known that he worked together with jack parsons in the 1940´s.

[Hervé]

To put to rest that Parsons-Crowley urban legend:


[...]

For starter, there is this letter from Parsons to Crowley:



“About 3 months ago I met Capt L Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time …. [no omission] He is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him.

Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.

We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a parent company to control our business ventures. I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty and I are the best of friends, there is little loss ….

I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind. I hope my elemental gets off the dime [gets moving] – the next time I tie up with a woman it will be on [my] own terms.”



Then, a research done in an attempt to get to the bottom of these gossips yields the following:



Critics have accused Ron of “swindling” Jack Parsons, and while Wright doesn’t add new news to this theory, he certainly manages to leave some important facts out.

Basically, Ron and Jack, in the short 4-5 months that they hung out and became good friends in 1945/1946, decided to go into business together — it was going to be a wide ranging enterprise, and the first idea was to buy three yachts cheaply on the east coast (Miami), bring them across the Panama Canal by hiring crews, and then selling them at a significant mark-up to the rich celebrity crowd in southern California. Parsons put up most of the money, but didn’t have to do any work. Hubbard put in a bit of money, but was responsible for doing all the legwork. This is a common business arrangement, where one partner provides the money, the other takes care of operations.

Beyond that, there were a number of future ideas that the two had thought up, including adding Hubbard’s writings to the partnership, Parsons was going to add some of the assets from his rocket work. (Source: Strange Angel, by Pendle). According to Heinlein, Hubbard talked up an idea of going to other countries, including a “China venture” — in one letter to Hubbard in 1946, Heinlein scolded Hubbard for being too talkative about China, getting his (Heinlein’s) nephews overly excited about exotic trips there.
[Source: Heinlein biography by Patterson]).

But forty years later, this became “Hubbard tried to swindle Parsons” in the minds of his critics, for two reasons:

(1) Because Ron was still in the Navy, he was required to get permission to leave the country. He listed South America, Central America and China as possible destinations. Because China was nowhere near the Panama Canal, this, in the minds of Hubbard’s critics, was due to Ron’s “secret plans to go to China”. Yeah, real secret — Heinlein was actually upset that Ron was talking about it too much.

(2) Crowley and his OTO team didn’t trust people — they didn’t trust Jack (to think for himself), they didn’t trust someone named Smith. They had endless back-stabbing drama amongst themselves. And their latest object of distrust was Ron. When Crowley (living in England, and having never met Ron) heard about the business venture, he decided that it was all a con by Ron and that he needed to brow-beat Jack, and with the help from other members of the drama-filled OTO, ultimately convinced Jack that Ron was swindling him.

In the mean time, Ron was busily carrying out the business plan (with the help of Betty) in Miami for about a month, had bought the boats and even hired the crews. But Jack had been convinced by Crowley and others that Ron wasn’t staying in touch with Jack enough, and therefore Ron must be onto something tricky. So Jack races across the country to find Ron and Betty doing exactly what they had all agreed to do. Ron had actually purchased three yachts! And worse, he had arranged the crews to sail them through the Panama Canal. The horror of it all!

Jack, having been all worked up by the OTO (and wanting to stay in good graces with Crowley), forced the partnership to be dissolved.

Hubbard and Betty were left thinking: WTF?

(Sources: “Strange Angel”, by Pendle; “Heinlein Biography, Vol 1″, by Patterson.)
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Believe me, when Hubbard later referred to Aleister Crowley in a lecture as his “good friend”, he was joking. And the audience knew it. They chuckled when he said it.

Hubbard, to start with, was a highly gifted psychic since a very early age..

... make of it what thou wilt...

[wegge]

To put to rest that Parsons-Crowley urban legend:


[...]

For starter, there is this letter from Parsons to Crowley:



“About 3 months ago I met Capt L Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time …. [no omission] He is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him.

Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.

We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a parent company to control our business ventures. I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty and I are the best of friends, there is little loss ….

I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind. I hope my elemental gets off the dime [gets moving] – the next time I tie up with a woman it will be on [my] own terms.”



Then, a research done in an attempt to get to the bottom of these gossips yields the following:



Critics have accused Ron of “swindling” Jack Parsons, and while Wright doesn’t add new news to this theory, he certainly manages to leave some important facts out.

Basically, Ron and Jack, in the short 4-5 months that they hung out and became good friends in 1945/1946, decided to go into business together — it was going to be a wide ranging enterprise, and the first idea was to buy three yachts cheaply on the east coast (Miami), bring them across the Panama Canal by hiring crews, and then selling them at a significant mark-up to the rich celebrity crowd in southern California. Parsons put up most of the money, but didn’t have to do any work. Hubbard put in a bit of money, but was responsible for doing all the legwork. This is a common business arrangement, where one partner provides the money, the other takes care of operations.

Beyond that, there were a number of future ideas that the two had thought up, including adding Hubbard’s writings to the partnership, Parsons was going to add some of the assets from his rocket work. (Source: Strange Angel, by Pendle). According to Heinlein, Hubbard talked up an idea of going to other countries, including a “China venture” — in one letter to Hubbard in 1946, Heinlein scolded Hubbard for being too talkative about China, getting his (Heinlein’s) nephews overly excited about exotic trips there.
[Source: Heinlein biography by Patterson]).

But forty years later, this became “Hubbard tried to swindle Parsons” in the minds of his critics, for two reasons:

(1) Because Ron was still in the Navy, he was required to get permission to leave the country. He listed South America, Central America and China as possible destinations. Because China was nowhere near the Panama Canal, this, in the minds of Hubbard’s critics, was due to Ron’s “secret plans to go to China”. Yeah, real secret — Heinlein was actually upset that Ron was talking about it too much.

(2) Crowley and his OTO team didn’t trust people — they didn’t trust Jack (to think for himself), they didn’t trust someone named Smith. They had endless back-stabbing drama amongst themselves. And their latest object of distrust was Ron. When Crowley (living in England, and having never met Ron) heard about the business venture, he decided that it was all a con by Ron and that he needed to brow-beat Jack, and with the help from other members of the drama-filled OTO, ultimately convinced Jack that Ron was swindling him.

In the mean time, Ron was busily carrying out the business plan (with the help of Betty) in Miami for about a month, had bought the boats and even hired the crews. But Jack had been convinced by Crowley and others that Ron wasn’t staying in touch with Jack enough, and therefore Ron must be onto something tricky. So Jack races across the country to find Ron and Betty doing exactly what they had all agreed to do. Ron had actually purchased three yachts! And worse, he had arranged the crews to sail them through the Panama Canal. The horror of it all!

Jack, having been all worked up by the OTO (and wanting to stay in good graces with Crowley), forced the partnership to be dissolved.

Hubbard and Betty were left thinking: WTF?

(Sources: “Strange Angel”, by Pendle; “Heinlein Biography, Vol 1″, by Patterson.)
—
Believe me, when Hubbard later referred to Aleister Crowley in a lecture as his “good friend”, he was joking. And the audience knew it. They chuckled when he said it.

Hubbard, to start with, was a highly gifted psychic since a very early age..

... make of it what thou wilt...

nothing in that quote speaks against that they did "work" together? (Babalon working, invoking the divine feminine through marjorie cameron, a sex magick ritual)
It just seems strange that a bond that should have been created through such an intense ritual could have been destroyed through mal/misinformation coming from Crowley.

I have to read Peter Moons book "Synchronicity and the Seventh Seal" it´s all about about that Parsons/Hubbard/Cameron connection maybe this can clear up things further.

[wegge]

So I got into the book, here are a few parts. Peter Moon met Cameron in the 1990´s and they became friends, that´s how he got this information:

"The Babalon Working, as stated by its progenitor, was intended to counterbalance the aspects of power, violence, and energy that are not only characteristic of the god Mars but of the abusive hierarchal structure of the Catholic Church which has championed those characteristics over the years. Mars is also a key focus in Aleister Crowley´s The Book of the Law, the text of which served as a basis for the rituals concocted for the Babalon Working. There is, however, a missing component in the Book of the Law and that is the full female aspect. Parsons was trying to fix that. In this regard, Jack Parsons believed that the Babalon Working was the completion of Crowley´s work."

p. 148

"The genesis of the Babalon Working really begins with the appearance and association of L. Ron Hubbard. Jack was quite surprised and happy when he met Ron and found a kindred soul who was interested in magick. It was only after he met Ron that he set out on the adventure that was to become known as the Babalon Working. At the inception of the work, Jack realized that he lacked a proper „familiar.“ When a magician engages in a magical act, it is common for them to utilize a „familiar“ which is often a cat or other life form imbibed with the magical will of the magician in the hopes that this creature will facilitate the master will of the magician. In his notes on the Babalon Working, Parsons states that he did not have a typical familiar so he decided to use Ron instead! While this last statement might rub certain adherents the wrongs way, Parsons actually wrote such in his notes. Of course this gives us a rather different slant on what actually happened, but first let us examine the Babalon Working itself.

In January of 1946, Parsons decided he would find an elemental mate to help him in his endeavor to invoke Babalon. He decided to use the Enochian Tables that were utilized by Dr. John Dee and Edward Talbot Kelly from their necromancy sessions four hundred years earlier. Primarily, Jack would invoke and receive occult transmissions from what was considered to be the Goddess Babalon. Ron served as the scribe, but their roles did reverse per his notes. After six days, Jack stirred up some „phenomena“ when he heard nine strong rapid knocks. A table lamp at the opposite corner of the room was thrown violently to the floor and broken. Five days after that, the lights of the house failed. Ron, who was carrying a candle across the kitchen, was struck strongly on the right shoulder and the candle was knocked out of his hand. He called Jack and the two observed a brownish-yellow light which Jack banished with a magical sword. The next day, Ron developed „some sort of astral vision“ and described in detail an old enemy of Jack´s of whom Ron had never heard. Lather that night, Jack heard the raps again with a voice crying „let me go free“. A feeling of tension ensued for four days until, on January 18th in the Mojave Desert, it suddenly ceased. Jack looked at Ron and simply said, „It is done.“ He was absolutely certain that his elemental mate had been found. Soon after returning to Pasadena, Marjorie Cameron suddenly appeared at Jack´s door. Although I have heard different versions of what occured, Cameron had been involved in a minor traffic accident nearby and was led to the door of Jack´s house. Although she had no idea of what was going on, she was ready and eager to work with him.

From January 19th to February 27, 1946, Jack, Marjorie and Ron worked to together to invoke the Goddess Babalon. This included ritual masturbation on Jack´s part in order to create a moonchild as per the eighth degree of the OTO(ordo templi orientalis). Then, the ninth Degree ritual of sexual intercourse occurred between Jack and Marjorie that was designes to incarnate the moonchild that had been created or made to manifest during the Eighth Degree working. Ron was present during the workings.

On February 27th , Ron went back east to New York and Jack returned to the Mojave to invoke Babalon whereupon he was commanded to write Liber 49, a manuscript of seventy-seven verses dictated from the Goddess Babalon.

When Ron returned about a week later, Jack kept his recent invocations of Babalon secret from Ron, but they continued their work. Now, Ron acted as the dictator and Jack acted as the scribe. Ron was transmitting Babalon and instructions were given to construct a black box. It is not completely clear, but it appears that this black box was utilized to hold the sacrament which would have most likely been the genital excretions of Jack and Marjorie.

Ron´s instructions are followed and the eventual outcome was that Jack was completely sure that Babalon had been incarnated on the Earth. "

p. 154/155

"It was in the late 1940´s when Heinlein would visit and frequent „the Parsonage“. Every Sunday evening, all sorts of offbeat and unique creatures would gather at the Parson´s house for a potluck event. There were many stimulating creative and esoteric discussions. It was an opportunity for all sorts of networking. It was into this environment which L. Ron Hubbard came, but he arrived before the advent of Cameron. Cameron liked Ron very much and indicated that he and Jack were like brothers. She said that as a Pisces, he was spiritual and very deep. She believed that Ron had been a Wilson in a past life as well as having Wilson lineage in this one. She did not particularly agree with the scathing articles and publications which have portrayed Hubbard as a Scoundrel for absconing with Jack´s money. This is in reference to an incident in 1946 when Jack, Ron, and Sarah Hubbard formed a partnership known as Allied Enterprises. Allied was set up to buy yachts on the east coast and sell them for a profit on the west coast. Jack put up most of the money, and when Ron and Sarah arrived in Floriada, they purchased a yacht and seemed to be indulging themselves in a pleasure cruise to the detriment of the partnership. Jack had to employ the law, and he sued them in order to retrieve about one-third of the entire investment. Cameron believed that Ron had every intention of bringing the yacht to California, but she felt that aftereffects of the Babalon Working were still operating in his psyche. First, she thought the familiarity of the Caribbean waters reminded him of a time in a previous life when he was a pirate, most probably Henry Morgan, who she thought was also of the Wilson lineage. But, more importantly, she felt that when Ron and Jack engaged in the Babalon Working they were emulating the earlier work of John Dee and Edward Talbot Kelly.

Although Dee and Kelly are pretty well known by most people who study magick, the full significance of their work is not fully appreciated by most magicians and is certainly not a staple to the studies of ordinary history. In fact, John Dee has pretty much been blackballed from academic history.

Edward Kelly had a reputation as a scoundrel and even had sef with Dee´s wife at one point when Kelly´s spiritual sourced indicated they should indulge in wife swapping. By reason of the fact that Jack and Ron were so deeply invoking the magical aethyrs that had been translated and scribed by Dee and Kelly, Cameron was not in the least surprised that some aspects of their personalities might have rubbed off on Jack and Ron. (see in Amzer´s post above that Sarah turned from Jack to Ron!)"

p.158

"There is perhaps another point I should mention with regard to Jack and Ron. It has often been said that Hubbard and Jack had severed relations and never saw each again after the incident in Dade County. This concerned their partnership know as Allied Enterprises where Jack had Hubbard arrested and placed into custody in order to resolve their business conflicts. Cameron told me that the two men met on friendly terms at least one other time after that incident. Hubbard had approached Jack in order to get funding for the Dianetics movement. There was , however, no money to fund anyone. Cameron said that Ron and „wiped him out“. According to George (friend of Jack), Jack once made a disparaging comment about Ron and said that he „was a science fiction writer who ripped people off.“

I report this last statement only because it was said, but Cameron´s words indicate that this statement was not fully representative of Jack´s feelings about Ron. She said he considered Ron a brother and that he really loved him. There is no question that Jack was deeply hurt by Ron´s actions. Cameron said that she liked Ron, too. "

p. 248