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jackovesk
10th March 2013, 01:45
Kanye West’s “Power” is a short, almost stationary video that manages to tell a profound story in symbolic language. By decoding the occult meaning of the symbols present in this moving tableau, the viewer discovers who really holds the “power” in the world and understands the story of Kanye West’s initiation. We will look at the meaning of those symbols as they appear in the video.

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Rapper and producer Kanye West has always found a way to stand out from the crowd. His video Power is no exception. It differs from the MTV norm in many regards, whether you look at the content or the form. The duration of the video, the filming style and the subject matter are quite distinct from today’s typical rap videos as it is short (1:43), filmed in a single shot (compared to the one-shot-per-second standard of music videos) and is very rich in archetypal symbolism.

Director Marco Brambilla sought to depict the concept of power in the form of a “video tableau”, a moving painting that slowly reveals itself to the viewer with a continuous camera movement. The director seem to have perfected this technique in his previous creation, Civilization, a video mural created for the new Standard Hotel in New-York city. The symbolism present there is simply overwhelming. Here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE&feature=player_embedded

Symbols of the Video

The video starts off with a close-up of Kanye West with glow-in-the-dark eyes, as if he was “illuminated” from within. He stands between an infinite row of Ionic columns, which represent “wisdom” in Masonic symbolism.

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Two Pillars

As regular readers of this site already know, the occult meaning of the twin pillars is ancient, profound and present in the symbolism of almost all mystery schools of History. There are many layers of interpretation attributed to the two columns, but one constant is always present: The pillars represent the entrance – the gateway – to the world of the initiate. Behind the columns can be found the key to the Mysteries and, consequently, the source of true power. This concept has been used for in many cultures and schools of thought.

The two columns called the “Pillars of Hercules” in Ancient Greece stood at the gateway to the sphere of the enlightened


“The city of the philosophic elect rises from the highest mountain peak of the earth, and here the gods of the wise dwell together in everlasting felicity. In the foreground are the symbolic pillars of Hercules which appear on the title page of Bacon’s Novum Organum, and between them runs the path which leads upward from the uncertainties of earth to that perfect order which is established in the sphere of the enlightened. “
- Manly P. Hall


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Pillars of Hercules in Francis Bacon’s “New Atlantis” as a gateway to the New World.

In Power, Kanye is standing at the mouth of the gateway to the “sphere of the enlightened,” right at the border of the corrupt and decadent material world. So, right from the start of the video, the director reveals the true nature of power in this world: It is not your democratically elected officials, but those who consider themselves to be behind those pillars. One of the most significant lines of the song is


“In this white man’s world, we the ones chosen”

Does Kanye’s “white man’s world” refer to the hidden rulers, the Illuminati, who are hidden behind those pillars? Did they choose Kanye West and give him Power by permitting him to become an influential figure in the entertainment industry? Was he chosen to become one of them? The next symbol might shed some light into this.

Horus

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Horus pendant on Kanye’s chain...

The next thing that catches the viewer’s eye is most probably that gigantic chain with Horus’ head as a pendant. Horus is an ancient Egyptian deity that has an extreme importance in occult mysteries. Considered to be the Sky god, he is more often represented with the symbol of a single eye. The Eye of Horus is an ancient Egyptian symbol of protection and royal power from deities, in this case from Horus or Ra.


“Horus, the son of Osiris and Isis, was called “Horus who rules with two eyes.” His right eye was white representing the sun while his left eye was black representing the moon. According to Egyptian legend Horus lost his left eye during a fight with his murderous uncle, Seth, to revenged his father’s death. Seth tore out his nephew’s eye but lost the fight because the assembly of the gods declared Horus the victor. The eye was reassembled by the magic of Thoth. Then Horus gave the eye to Osiris who experienced rebirth in the underworld.”
- Jordan Michael, Encyclopedia of Gods


The importance of the “one-eye” in occult symbolism has been highlighted in many articles on The Vigilant Citizen. The All-Seeing Eye found on the Great Seal of the United States and many other occult symbols originate from the Eye of Horus.

The Eye of Horus as depicted by the Golden Dawn Mystery School

The symbolism of Horus is especially of great importance in Freemasonry, as the path of an initiate through the Masonic degrees is described as the process by which the Eye of Horus is opened.

So Kanye stands at the gateway between the corrupt world of the profane and the exclusive world of the illuminated, wearing a Horus pendant, an unmistakable symbol of the Mysteries. One might say: “Well maybe Kanye just likes Egyptian things.” Maybe so, but in the context of this video, where all details are important and extremely meaningful, Horus becomes another piece of this symbolic puzzle.

Horned Girls

The entrance of the gateway of pillars is guarded by two horned albino girls holding a staff. Their features are very reminiscent of depictions of Isis and Hathor, goddesses of ancient Egypt. Another allusion to Egyptian magic.

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Kanye standing between two horned female figures.

Isis and Hathor crowning Queen Nefertari. Both goddesses were depicted with bovine horns on their heads.

Isis was the mother of Horus (discussed above) and was the goddess of motherhood, nature and magic. Hathor was also considered as a maternal deity while also being the goddess of music, dance and fertility. Both Isis and Hathor were known to welcome and protect the dead during their journey to the afterlife, a concept that is particularly interesting in the context of the video.


“The goddess (Hathor) [...] manifests two aspects of her divine power: first of all, she participates in the afterlife rite of passage, by means of which the deceased attains eternal life, and, second, she demonstrates her special connection to the Egyptian king. Hathor is rightly called a royal goddess, and in this role she is linked in various ways to the life of the pharaoh. Often the pharaoh would call himself the oldest son of Hathor.”

- Archive for Research in Archetypal Symbolism

Kanye, perhaps symbolizing the Pharaoh, is standing at the gateway to eternal wisdom, about to be executed/assassinated/sacrificed under the watchful eyes of Hathor, the “royal goddess.” Are the goddesses welcoming Kanye “behind the veil,” protecting him in this rite of passage to immortality? In occult circles, new candidates must symbolically die and be reborn to complete their initiation process. Is Kanye being killed an allegory for his initiation?

Sword of Damocles

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Sword hanging above Kanye West’s head

While doing some preliminary research on this video, I came across an article on MTV.com titled Kanye West’s ‘Power’ Video: A Cultural Cheat Sheet. Here’s what it says about the sword hanging above his head:


“Dragonlance: An image of a sword descending into a crown hovers over Kanye’s head, bringing to mind Volume Two of Douglas Niles’ series “The Crown and the Sword: The Rise of Solamnia,” in which Sir Jaymes Markham commands the orders of the Rose, Sword and Crown.”

- Kanye West’s ‘Power’ Video: A Cultural Cheat Sheet, MTV.com

Really? The director of this neo-classical themed video, was inspired by an obscure fantasy novel released in, like, 2006? Seriously? Good job, MTV, in keeping our youth clueless. The descending sword is more probably a reference to the Sword of Damocles, a pretty widely known legend.

“The Damocles of the anecdote was an obsequious courtier in the court of Dionysius II of Syracuse, a fourth century BC tyrant of Syracuse. Damocles exclaimed that, as a great man of power and authority, Dionysius was truly fortunate. Dionysius offered to switch places with him for a day, so he could taste first hand that fortune. In the evening a banquet was held where Damocles very much enjoyed being waited upon like a king.

Only at the end of the meal did he look up and notice a sharpened sword hanging directly above his head by a single horse-hair. Immediately, he lost all taste for the fine foods and beautiful girls and asked leave of the tyrant, saying he no longer wanted to be so fortunate.

Dionysius had successfully conveyed a sense of the constant fear in which the great man lives. Cicero uses this story as the last in a series of contrasting examples for reaching the conclusion he had been moving towards in this fifth Disputation, in which the theme is that virtue is sufficient for living a happy life. Cicero asks “Does not Dionysius seem to have made it sufficiently clear that there can be nothing happy for the person over whom some fear always looms?”

The tale of the Sword epitomizes the constant danger faced by those in positions of power. Kanye stands there, in a state of impending doom, knowing he can be executed at any time. Right after we see the sword of Damocles, a figure appears holding a dagger and attempting to stab him. The assassination will not happen by dagger, however, as two other figures leap out of nowhere holding swords to accomplish the “Killing of the King.”

Killing of the King – The Initiation

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Ritual initiation represented in a display of geometry and symmetry

At the ending of the video, the decadent women and the dagger-holding assassins all disappear as two swords are about to hit him. Are we sacrificing the King?

The concept of regicide is reflected in the single’s cover art. It depicts Kanye’s severed, crowned head with a sword firmly jammed into it. Apparently Kanye was king and he got killed. Is this a symbol for a Masonic ritual? Note the stone on which Kanye’s head is placed. Is it the “perfect ashlar” of the Masons that represents the state of a perfected initiate?

Some occult researchers have stated that the “Killing of the King” is the name of a Masonic rite of passage to obtain the 33rd degree (see “King Kill 33″ by James Shelby Downard & Michael A. Hoffman II). Semi-interesting sidenote: King Kill 33 is also the name of a Marilyn Mason song, with rather interesting lyrics. Another sidenote: Researchers have reported that Killing of the King rites often happens in public, as more witnesses give more power to the ritual, hence … JFK. A completely crazy theory?… DYR (Do your research).

Back to Kanye and his standing … the two swords flying towards him never actually touch him but instead form a triangular shape above his head, possibly hinting to a “symbolic” killing and not an actual one. Notice the position of the crown above Kanye’s head. The combination of those elements form an interesting image.

In Conclusion

To sum up the the video, Kanye stands at the border between Masonic knowledge and the decadence of the mundane life, represented by lustful and gluttonous women, lounging around eating grapes. Kanye says “goodbye cruel world / I see you in the morning“, as he has been “chosen” to take part in an initiation process that is often metaphorically described as a “long night,” followed by a glorious awakening as a new being. In order to accomplish this, Kanye needs to kill his old self and be ritualistically reborn. Once this is done, true power is within his grasp.

This “moving painting” is definitely a multi-layered artwork, with many levels of interpretation: the first level is a commentary on power by using timeless symbols taken from ancient art; the second level describes a Masonic initiation with a ritual murder and an imminent rebirth.

This video lasts a mere minute and forty-three seconds but it manages to give the viewers plenty to ponder on and many symbols to decode. Looking at its meaning from a pop culture point of view, it is interesting to note that this short-film, intended to be viewed by the general public (especially young people), describes the concept of power with overt Masonic symbolism and occult references. This causes the uninformed viewers to unconsciously associate those symbols with the concept of Power, while “those in the know” get the “insider’s wink” sent by this video. Power ultimately becomes another piece in the on-going process called the “Revelation of the Method,” where the true source of power gradually and subliminally reveals itself to the world and occult rituals take place right in front of the public’s eyes.

How long before the complete revelation?

“The clock’s tickin’ / I just count the hours”

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/kanye-wests-power-the-occult-meaning-of-its-symbols/

PS - Remember Kanye's visit to the Occupy Wall Street protests..?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y768coPoGo
This fella, is 'Not' on the peoples side at all...!!!

Mark
10th March 2013, 20:02
Interesting posts you've been making the past little while, Jack. I find this interpretation of the video to be surface-level for those in the alternative community but it is instructive for those new to these ideas and symbols. For a deeper interpretation it is mandatory to look at the lyrics alongside the video, because they are inextricably linked. I find it interesting that the guy who did this interpretation only mentioned two lines of lyrics.

“In this white man’s world, we the ones chosen”

“The clock’s tickin’ / I just count the hours”

By failing to interpret the lyrics in addition to the video he reveals his lack of understanding of Hip Hop and the rap genre as an expression of deeper revolutionary ideas that are not new but incorporate elements of society and culture that are not only intimately familiar to us all but also taboo in the form of direct reference. For context:


Power Lyrics

(Oh hey Oh hey Oh hey
Hey Hey)

I'm living in the 21st century doin' something mean to it
Do it better then anybody you ever seen do it
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
I guess every superhero need his theme music

[Chorus:]
No one man should have all that power
The clocks tickin' I just count the hours
Stop trippin' I'm tripping off the power
(21st century Schizoid Man)

The system broken, the school's closed, the prison's open
We ain't got nothing to lose mother****er we rollin',
Huh? mother****er we rollin'
With some light skinned girls and some Kelly Rowland's
In this white man's world we the ones chosen
So goodnight cruel world I'll see you in the mornin',
Huh? I see you in the mornin'
This is way too much, I need a moment.

[Chorus:]
No one man should have all that power
The clocks tickin' I just count the hours
Stop trippin' I'm tripping off the power
Till then, **** that the world's ours
(21st Century Schizoid Man)

**** SNL and the whole cast
Tell them Yeezy said they can kiss my whole ass
More specifically they can kiss my ass hole
I'm an asshole? You niggas got jokes!
You short minded niggas thoughts is Napoleon
My furs is Mongolian, my ice brought the goalies in
I embody every characteristic of the egotistic
He knows, he's so ****in' gifted
I just needed time alone, with my own thoughts
Got treasures in my mind but couldn't open up my own vault
My child-like creativity, purity and honesty is honestly being crowded by these grown thoughts
Reality is catching up with me, taking my inner child I'm fighting for custody
With these responsibilities that they entrust in me
As I look down at my diamond encrusted piece thinking...

[Chorus:]
No one man should have all that power
The clocks tickin' I just count the hours
Stop trippin' I'm tripping off the powder
Till then, **** that the world's ours
(21st Century Schizoid Man)

Colin Powell, Austin Powers
Lost in translation with a whole ****in' nation
They say I was the abomination of Obama's nation
Well that's a pretty bad way to start a conversation
At the end of the day goddamn it I'm killin' this ****
I know damn well ya'll feelin' this ****
I don't need your pussy, bitch I'm on my own dick
I ain't got a power trip who you going home with?
How 'Ye doin'? I'm Surviving
I was drinkin' earlier now I'm driving
Where the bad bitches huh? Where ya hidin'?
I got the power make your life so excitin'...

(Oh hey Oh hey Oh hey
Hey Hey)

Now this'll be a beautiful death
[Dwele:]
I'm jumping out the window
I'm Letting everything go
I'm Letting everything go
[x3]

You got the power to let power go flow

[Ad-lib]

Just shortly, the lyrics reveal the contradiction of his life and position and that he is fully aware of it. It reveals his knowledge of the stereotypes that he has been subjected to and the power that has been vested in him by the MSM and whomever else. And yet he refuses to toe the line. He refuses to use power in the ways that he is perhaps guided to use it. instead, he, JZ and others, infuse their videos with the very symbolism of power that their life circumstances have shown them to be behind every aspect of Industry. Kanye is a very intelligent man. College-educated. Knowledgeable as I am about symbols and the current constellations of institutional power.

He is 21st Century Schizoid Man.

"Schizoid personality disorder (SPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness and apathy."

From the mouth of the director himself, Marco Brambilla:


Well, it's a video portrait of Kanye. It starts with a very tight shot introducing him that's kind of a reinvention of a neoclassical painting. It pulls back from the shot, without any cuts, and we reveal the video canvas, populated by all these characters who are depicted in various stages of undress and decadence. The iconography comes from Roman iconography, Renaissance iconography, and it connects to the sexuality of the music as well. As we reveal the setting for it, there's a feeling of a moment of transition for him. A fall from grace, if you will. It visualizes power, and him as the icon as power, and then at the end of the piece it challenges the power that I set up at the beginning. It's an elliptical piece of storytelling.

In response to any defense of the controversy the vid might cause, he stated:


Look, I think it's a very honest piece. It's definitely larger-than-life and it's definitely a strong kind of statement, and it ties into his persona and it ties into his reputation and everything else that will be commented on will be commented on through the filter of how people perceive his persona ... he's brash, and uncensored, but it has a self-awareness. And it's not just constructed. A lot of very popular mainstream artists are products of record companies and marketing companies, and any time anyone can stand outside of that, that's interesting. He's one of the few people left that's making work that he believes in.

The juxtaposition of these lyrics over that video are a statement of purpose and intent. He is saying, yes, I know the symbolism. But no, I refuse to let it rule me. In his final statement of the rap, he states:

"You got the power to let power go flow"

And that says it all.

On a last note, the following video also incorporates serious symbology and imagery that fleshes out his worldview even further for those interested.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg5wkZ-dJXA

Anchor
10th March 2013, 21:35
Nice analysis.

Did you know that there are two versions of that video?

I have seen both of them. One was more suitable for (presumably American) TV, the other (IMO) better one, was a "directors cut" and did not shy away from nudity and it seemed to work better.

jackovesk
11th March 2013, 04:23
Interesting posts you've been making the past little while, Jack. I find this interpretation of the video to be surface-level for those in the alternative community but it is instructive for those new to these ideas and symbols. For a deeper interpretation it is mandatory to look at the lyrics alongside the video, because they are inextricably linked. I find it interesting that the guy who did this interpretation only mentioned two lines of lyrics.

“In this white man’s world, we the ones chosen”

“The clock’s tickin’ / I just count the hours”

By failing to interpret the lyrics in addition to the video he reveals his lack of understanding of Hip Hop and the rap genre as an expression of deeper revolutionary ideas that are not new but incorporate elements of society and culture that are not only intimately familiar to us all but also taboo in the form of direct reference. For context:


Power Lyrics

(Oh hey Oh hey Oh hey
Hey Hey)

I'm living in the 21st century doin' something mean to it
Do it better then anybody you ever seen do it
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
I guess every superhero need his theme music

[Chorus:]
No one man should have all that power
The clocks tickin' I just count the hours
Stop trippin' I'm tripping off the power
(21st century Schizoid Man)

The system broken, the school's closed, the prison's open
We ain't got nothing to lose mother****er we rollin',
Huh? mother****er we rollin'
With some light skinned girls and some Kelly Rowland's
In this white man's world we the ones chosen
So goodnight cruel world I'll see you in the mornin',
Huh? I see you in the mornin'
This is way too much, I need a moment.

[Chorus:]
No one man should have all that power
The clocks tickin' I just count the hours
Stop trippin' I'm tripping off the power
Till then, **** that the world's ours
(21st Century Schizoid Man)

**** SNL and the whole cast
Tell them Yeezy said they can kiss my whole ass
More specifically they can kiss my ass hole
I'm an asshole? You niggas got jokes!
You short minded niggas thoughts is Napoleon
My furs is Mongolian, my ice brought the goalies in
I embody every characteristic of the egotistic
He knows, he's so ****in' gifted
I just needed time alone, with my own thoughts
Got treasures in my mind but couldn't open up my own vault
My child-like creativity, purity and honesty is honestly being crowded by these grown thoughts
Reality is catching up with me, taking my inner child I'm fighting for custody
With these responsibilities that they entrust in me
As I look down at my diamond encrusted piece thinking...

[Chorus:]
No one man should have all that power
The clocks tickin' I just count the hours
Stop trippin' I'm tripping off the powder
Till then, **** that the world's ours
(21st Century Schizoid Man)

Colin Powell, Austin Powers
Lost in translation with a whole ****in' nation
They say I was the abomination of Obama's nation
Well that's a pretty bad way to start a conversation
At the end of the day goddamn it I'm killin' this ****
I know damn well ya'll feelin' this ****
I don't need your pussy, bitch I'm on my own dick
I ain't got a power trip who you going home with?
How 'Ye doin'? I'm Surviving
I was drinkin' earlier now I'm driving
Where the bad bitches huh? Where ya hidin'?
I got the power make your life so excitin'...

(Oh hey Oh hey Oh hey
Hey Hey)

Now this'll be a beautiful death
[Dwele:]
I'm jumping out the window
I'm Letting everything go
I'm Letting everything go
[x3]

You got the power to let power go flow

[Ad-lib]

Just shortly, the lyrics reveal the contradiction of his life and position and that he is fully aware of it. It reveals his knowledge of the stereotypes that he has been subjected to and the power that has been vested in him by the MSM and whomever else. And yet he refuses to toe the line. He refuses to use power in the ways that he is perhaps guided to use it. instead, he, JZ and others, infuse their videos with the very symbolism of power that their life circumstances have shown them to be behind every aspect of Industry. Kanye is a very intelligent man. College-educated. Knowledgeable as I am about symbols and the current constellations of institutional power.

He is 21st Century Schizoid Man.

"Schizoid personality disorder (SPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness and apathy."

From the mouth of the director himself, Marco Brambilla:


Well, it's a video portrait of Kanye. It starts with a very tight shot introducing him that's kind of a reinvention of a neoclassical painting. It pulls back from the shot, without any cuts, and we reveal the video canvas, populated by all these characters who are depicted in various stages of undress and decadence. The iconography comes from Roman iconography, Renaissance iconography, and it connects to the sexuality of the music as well. As we reveal the setting for it, there's a feeling of a moment of transition for him. A fall from grace, if you will. It visualizes power, and him as the icon as power, and then at the end of the piece it challenges the power that I set up at the beginning. It's an elliptical piece of storytelling.

In response to any defense of the controversy the vid might cause, he stated:


Look, I think it's a very honest piece. It's definitely larger-than-life and it's definitely a strong kind of statement, and it ties into his persona and it ties into his reputation and everything else that will be commented on will be commented on through the filter of how people perceive his persona ... he's brash, and uncensored, but it has a self-awareness. And it's not just constructed. A lot of very popular mainstream artists are products of record companies and marketing companies, and any time anyone can stand outside of that, that's interesting. He's one of the few people left that's making work that he believes in.

The juxtaposition of these lyrics over that video are a statement of purpose and intent. He is saying, yes, I know the symbolism. But no, I refuse to let it rule me. In his final statement of the rap, he states:

"You got the power to let power go flow"

And that says it all.

On a last note, the following video also incorporates serious symbology and imagery that fleshes out his worldview even further for those interested.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg5wkZ-dJXA

G'day Rahkyt,

Thanks for taking the time to shed light on another aspect of Kanye Wests Symbolism in his Video's


Question: "Are you in effect telling us that Kanye West & his Symbolism Team are not Illuminists..?"

...and are in Fact, trying to bring the Illuminati Symbolism to the surface to 'Expose' them..?

...Re: Kanye's Lyrics - "To say one thing & to mean another"...:confused:

I would also like to include both JZee & Beyoncé into that equation...

From where I stand (All 3) have (Sold their Souls) to the Devil...:confused:

If possible, could you condense your opinion/findings, so others can grasp your knowledge...

Thanks...:neo:

PS - I tend to take the Video Directors explanation with a grain of salt, I am much more interested on what you have to say...

I am simply not convinced Kayne, JZee & Beyoncé are on the peoples side at all...:nono:

Anchor
11th March 2013, 09:08
I'm home, and have dug out a location of the HD Directors cut (warning nudity): http://vimeo.com/13947776

I have deliberately removed the hotlinking for this URL, so unless your browser does it for you, you'll need to cut and paste this to fire it up.

One part of the videos that I find striking is when the horned guards bang their staff on the ground - it strikes me as a call to order, or something finally done like when a judge bangs his gavel. Each of them do this at the same time.

This guy does the same thing -> :wizard:

Also I dig the King Crimson riff from 21st Century Schizoid man - I still have that album and listen to it from time to time :)

Anchor..

Mark
11th March 2013, 21:28
Question: "Are you in effect telling us that Kanye West & his Symbolism Team are not Illuminists..?"

...and are in Fact, trying to bring the Illuminati Symbolism to the surface to 'Expose' them..?

...Re: Kanye's Lyrics - "To say one thing & to mean another"...:confused:

I would also like to include both JZee & Beyoncé into that equation...

From where I stand (All 3) have (Sold their Souls) to the Devil...:confused:

If possible, could you condense your opinion/findings, so others can grasp your knowledge...

Thanks...:neo:

PS - I tend to take the Video Directors explanation with a grain of salt, I am much more interested on what you have to say...

I am simply not convinced Kayne, JZee & Beyoncé are on the peoples side at all...:nono:

Hi, Jack.

in response to your question regarding Illuminists, that depends upon what kind of person you are deeming as such.

The information and symbolism in that video is also a large part of the Afrocentric movement's expression. Those who claim the symbology of ancient Egypt as an expression of their ancestral spiritual heritage.

it is arguable that these people are not Illuminists as you may define them as they are not a part of the power structure nor do they have a lot of material wealth. What they do have is a lot of spiritual knowledge and wisdom. In fact, this knowledge and wisdom was a large part of the reason why Hip Hop was consciously coopted in the early 1990s by the PTB, who began a campaign through the corporations of only signing artists who agreed to put out a certain type of music now known world-wide as Gangster Rap or Thug rap. From the mid-80s to the early 90s, Hip Hop expereinced a renaissance of conscious music that threatened the status quo and it was this time period that Hip Hop began its global rise as the youth music of the world because it was pro-consciousness, pro-people and anti-capitalism, anti-racism, anti-establishment.

Kanye, Jay-Z, Beyonce and others are well versed in Hip Hop culture's history and Rap is only one element of Hip Hop as a whole, there is an entire intellectual tradition behind it going back to the 1970s and poets such as Gil Scott Heron and the Last Poets. Also important to this discussion is the influence of the Nation of Islam led by Elijah Muhammad, then Malcolm X and then Louis Farrakhan and their mystical system of understanding, which you might call a form of Illuminism. Related to that is the theology of the 5% Nation and the Moorish Science Temple, all groups which have extensive and intimate knowledge of the 'secret knowledge' of the Temple, or the Lodge, of Masonry and the forms of global Elite Illuminati agendas.

And yet, they are not a part of that structure. Quite the opposite, in fact. They are in opposition by nature and by stance to the global controllers.

The point is, these symbols, this imagery does NOT belong to the Illuminati no matter what they are trying to make the world believe. They are Usurpers.

There is much, much more ... but I don't think Avalon is ready for it.

Freed Fox
11th March 2013, 21:39
There is much, much more ... but I don't think Avalon is ready for it.

Now you've got me curious, and I'm wondering if you're referring to the Illuminati and associated symbolism, Afrocentrism, or something more...

It has been awhile since you've started a thread, by the way. Just sayin'... ;)

Mark
11th March 2013, 21:56
Hi Freed. I'm referring specifically to Afrocentrism and the correlates to Illuminati symbolism. I'll answer specific questions from folks whose intentions I know but I'm not interested in debate on the topic. I spent years fighting that particular battle and have no desire to do so here and now. Nothing against Avalon ... just repeated effort, available to any curious by way of google.

I'm pretty busy these days, finishing a dissertation, no time to really write on other topics of interest. Thanks for noticing. Bless!

Freed Fox
11th March 2013, 22:04
Ah, I see. In that case, best of luck with the dissertation! I hope that when you're finished, we'll get to hear from you more frequently. I really enjoy your posts.

Maunagarjana
11th March 2013, 23:26
Interesting interpretation there, jackovesk. But I gotta say, I kind of know where Rahkyt is going with his take on it. I agree with what Rahkyt says about taking the symbolism of the Illuminati back, about them being usurpers. And I think that's what's really going on here. There is a current of thought among certain people in hip hop culture that are known as Five Percenters that have views that are relevant to this conversation. I'm not saying Kanye and Jay-Z consider themselves to be that, but they were probably influenced by it a bit. I know Wutang Clan is definitely into it. Frankly, I'm not a fan of Kanye and Jay-Z but I love Wutang. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Gods_and_Earths

westhill
12th March 2013, 13:15
First of all, Kanye needs to stop messin' with King Crimson!

Here's a video by vigilantcitizen.
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Here's some info on this director Marco Bramilla, who seems to be very up on his symbolism.
This a video mural he created. He knows what the hell he is doing!
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Civilization is a video installation we created with artist/director Marco Brambilla for the elevators Standard Hotel in NYC.
It's comprised of over 400 video clips and it takes elevator passengers on a trip from hell to heaven as they go up or from
heaven to hell as they go down.

Hidden in plain sight.

PurpleLama
12th March 2013, 16:53
Symbols and the ways they have been used through the ages are both the boon and the bane of the modern magician. That is to say, I endorse what Rahkyt is saying above. It is a mistake to assume that anyone and everyone who uses a given symbol must be associated with one another. In Mississippi, where I'm at, a good example is the pentacle or pentagram, that "everybody knows is satanic", which could not be further from the truth. Satanism is an inversion/perversion of Christianity, therefore for the *inverted* pentagram to be satanic, which it often is, then the pentagram has deep roots in Christian mysticism, only long forgotten.

I did find it interesting, the inverted Aquarius, in the op video. Perhaps an expression against this "turning of the age" thing we've been hearing so much about, I wonder.

westhill
12th March 2013, 20:01
It's hard to determine what is the intent from just one video (or two),
but here it is from the man himself. "Imma motherf***n' monster."

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"Monster"
(feat. Rick Ross, Jay-Z, Bon Iver & Nicki Minaj)

[Bon Iver:]
I shoot the lights out
Hide til its bright out
Whoa, just another lonely night
Are you willing to sacrifice your life?

[Rick Ross:]
Bitch I’m a monster no good blood sucker
fat mother****er now look who’s in trouble
as you run through my jungle all you hear is rumbles
Kanye West sample, here’s one for example

[Kanye West - Chorus:]
Gossip gossip
niggas just stop it
everybody know (I’m a mother****ing monster)
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the concert
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the concert
profit profit, nigga I got it
everybody know I’m a mother****ing monster
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the concert
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the ...

The best living or dead hands down huh?
less talk more head right now huh?
and my eyes more red than the devil is
and I’m bout to take it to another level bitch
there you go again, ain't nobody as cold as this
do the rap and the track triple double no assist
but my only focus is staying on some bogus ****
argue with my older bitch acting like I owe her ****
I heard the people saying raps are gettin trap mayne
bought the chain that always give me back pain
****ing up my money so yeah I had to act sane
Chi nigga but these hoes love my accent
she came up to me and said this the number 2
if you wanna make it number one your number 2 now
this that goose an’ Malibu I call it Malibooya
God damn Yeezy How I hit em with the new style
know that mother****er well, what you gonna do now
whatever I wanna do, gosh it's cool now
nah gonna do, uh its a new now
think yo mother****er really really need to cool down
cause you will never get on top off this
so mommy best advice is to get on top of this
have you ever had sex with a pharaoh
I put the pussy in a sarcophagus
now she claiming I bruise her esophagus
head of the class and she just want a swallowship
I’m living the future so the presence is my past
my presence is a present kiss my ass

[Kanye West - Chorus]

[Jay-Z:]
Sasquatch, Godzilla, King Kong
Lochness, Goblin, Ghoul, a zombie with no conscience
question what do all these things have in common
everybody knows I’m a mother****ing monster
conquer, stomp ya, stop your silly nonsense
none of you niggas know where the swamp is
none of you niggas have seen the carnage that I’ve seen
I still hear fiends scream in my dream
murder murder in black convertibles
I kill a block I murder avenues
rape and pillage a village, women and children
everybody wanna know what my Achilles' heel is
Love I don't get enough of it
all I get is these vampires and blood suckers
all I see is these niggas I’ve made millionaires
milling about, spilling there feelings in the air
all I see is these fake ****s with no fangs
tryna draw blood with my ice cold veins
I smell a massacre
seems to be the only way to back you bastards up

[Chorus]

[Nicki Minaj:]
Pull up in the monster
automobile gangster
with a bad bitch that came from Sri Lanka
yeah I’m in that Tonka, colour of Willy Wonka
you could be the King but watch the Queen conquer
OK first things first I’ll eat your brains
then I’mma start rocking gold teeth and fangs
cause that’s what a mother****ing monster do
hairdresser from Milan, that's the monster do
monster Giuseppe heel that’s the monster shoe
Young Money is the roster and the monster crew
and I’m all up all up all up in the bank with the funny face
and if I’m fake I ain't notice cause my money ain't
let me get this straight wait I’m the rookie
but my features and my shows ten times your pay?
50k for a verse, no album out!
yeah my money’s so tall that my barbie’s gotta climb it
hotter than a middle eastern climate
find it Tony Matterhorn dutty wine it
while it, Nicki on them titties when I sign it
have these niggas so one-track minded
but really really I don’t give a F-U-C-K
forget barbie **** Nicki she’s fake
she’s on a diet but her pockets eating cheese cake
and I’ll say Bride of Chucky is child’s play
just killed another career it’s a mild day
besides ‘Ye they can’t stand besides me
I think me, you and Am should menage Friday
pink wig thick ass give em whiplash
I think big get cash make em blink fast
now look at what you just saw I think this is what you live for
Ah, I’m a mother****ing monster!

[Bon Iver:]
I-I crossed the line-line
and I’ll-I’ll let God decide-cide
I-I wouldn’t last these shows
so I-I am headed home
[repeated]

Anchor
13th March 2013, 01:18
[I]First of all, Kanye needs to stop messin' with King Crimson!

I concur!

However, I understand that the appropriate permissions and licenses were agreed.

Maybe it will all be settled "In The Court Of The Crimson King" :)

Mark
13th March 2013, 04:13
Monster, great track. I considered putting it up here as well. Once again, gotta know how to break down the lyrics, gotta understand the slang. Kanye's part specifically since he is the one in question.


Gossip gossip
niggas just stop it
everybody know (I’m a mother****ing monster)
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the concert
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the concert
profit profit, nigga I got it
everybody know I’m a mother****ing monster
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the concert
I’ma need to see your ****ing hands at the ...

The best living or dead hands down huh?
less talk more head right now huh?
and my eyes more red than the devil is
and I’m bout to take it to another level bitch
there you go again, ain't nobody as cold as this
do the rap and the track triple double no assist
but my only focus is staying on some bogus ****
argue with my older bitch acting like I owe her ****
I heard the people saying raps are gettin trap mayne
bought the chain that always give me back pain
****ing up my money so yeah I had to act sane
Chi nigga but these hoes love my accent
she came up to me and said this the number 2
if you wanna make it number one your number 2 now
this that goose an’ Malibu I call it Malibooya
God damn Yeezy How I hit em with the new style
know that mother****er well, what you gonna do now
whatever I wanna do, gosh it's cool now
nah gonna do, uh its a new now
think yo mother****er really really need to cool down
cause you will never get on top off this
so mommy best advice is to get on top of this
have you ever had sex with a pharaoh
I put the pussy in a sarcophagus
now she claiming I bruise her esophagus
head of the class and she just want a swallowship
I’m living the future so the presence is my past
my presence is a present kiss my ass

I would be very interested to see another interpretation before I break it down. Any takers?

westhill
13th March 2013, 12:36
I wouldn't totally take him out of the context. He's part of the whole track.
I thought this was interesting (small start). Too much to do today to get into it.

Definition of MONSTER
1 a : an animal or plant of abnormal form or structure
b : one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character
2 : threatening force
3 a : an animal of strange or terrifying shape
b : one unusually large for its kind
4 : something monstrous; especially : a person of unnatural or extreme ugliness, deformity, wickedness, or cruelty
5 : one that is highly successful

Origin of MONSTER
Middle English monstre, from Anglo-French, from Latin monstrum omen, monster, from monēre to warn