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jackovesk
10th March 2013, 02:19
March 3, 2013

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Quickly becoming a best seller, The Hiram Keywas acclaimed a classic in the field of alternative history, going on to influence a generation of researchers among them The Da Vinci Code’s Dan Brown.

In the last ten years Knight has written six books, four with Robert Lomas and two, including his latest Who Built the Moon?, with Alan Butler. In Who Built the Moon?, Knight and Butler raise some fascinating and challenging questions, foremost:

Could it be that the Moon is artificial? Could it even be hollow? And does the Moon really exist through some happy accident, or is a blueprint apparent – and if so, who was the architect? New Dawn recently spoke with Christopher Knight about his controversial new book and his astonishing conclusions.
– New Dawn

NEW DAWN: All of mankind’s visits to the Moon have not answered some of the most basic questions about its origin and importance. Your new book Who Built the Moon? (co-authored with Alan Butler) brings to light some extraordinary facts about the Moon, and comes to a mind-blowing conclusion about its origin. Could you briefly outline some of these little known and ignored facts?

CHRISTOPHER KNIGHT: The Moon sits very close to the Earth yet it is widely regarded as the strangest object in the known universe. It is a bit like knowing that every person in the world is completely normal except the person you live next door to, who has three heads and lives on a diet of broken razor blades.

The book lists the strangeness of the Moon, which includes the fact that it does not have a solid core like every other planetary object. It is either hollow or has a very low-density interior. Bizarrely, its concentration of mass are located at a series of points just under its surface – which caused havoc with early lunar spacecraft. The material the Moon is made from came from the outer surface of the Earth and left a shallow hole that filled with water and we now call the Pacific. This rock left the Earth to produce the Moon very quickly after our planet had formed around 4,6 billion years ago.

The Moon is not only extremely odd in its construction; it also behaves in a way that is nothing less than miraculous. It is exactly four hundred times smaller than the Sun but four hundred times closer to the Earth so that both the Sun and the Moon appear to be precisely the same size in the sky – which gives us the phenomenon we call a total eclipse. Whilst we take this for granted it has been called the biggest coincidence in the universe.

Furthermore, the Moon mirrors the movement of the Sun in the sky by rising and setting at the same point on the horizon as the Sun does at opposite solstices. For example, this means the Moon rises at midwinter at the same place the Sun does at midsummer. There is no logical reason why the Moon mimics the Sun in this way and it is only meaningful to a human standing on the Earth.

ND: What led you to write Who Built the Moon? And does this latest book relate to your earlier research when writing Civilization One and Uriel’s Machine?

CK: All of the six books I have had published over the last ten years are part of a continued single piece of research. I came to write Who Built the Moon?with Alan Butler after we had finished Civilization One, because our research led us to study the Moon very closely.

We had found that the superbly advanced measuring system in use over 5,000 years ago was based on the mass, dimensions and movements of the Earth.

However, for thoroughness we checked every planet and moon in the solar system to see if there was any pattern. Amazingly, it worked perfectly for every aspect of the Moon but did not apply at all to any other known body – except the Sun.

It was as though we had found a blueprint where the Moon had been ‘manufactured’ using very specific units taken from Earth’s relationship with the Sun. The more we looked, everything fitted – and fitted perfectly in every conceivable way.

ND: Most astoundingly, you found that an ancient system of geometry and measurement used in the Stone Age works perfectly on the Moon. What exactly is this system and how could the ancients have attained this knowledge?

CK: It is not possible to describe the greatness of this ancient system of geometry and measurement without repeating the content of Civilization One.

The work of Alexander Thom, a brilliant professor of engineering from Oxford University, was our starting point. He identified the existence of what he called the Megalithic Yard. This was a precise unit of measurement that was the basis of late Stone Age structures across Western Europe – such as Stonehenge. Most archaeologists have written his work off as a mistake but when one looks coldly at their objections they are baseless.

Alan and I were able to show how they made these highly precise linear units based on the rotation of the Earth and how they were also the basis of all time, capacity and weight units in use today. Once again these are exact – not approximations or close fits.

Where the ancients got such knowledge is quite baffling. All we can be certain of is that they were way ahead of us today! It’s easy to check out by anyone with a calculator.

ND: Your conclusion is there are more than enough anomalies about the Moon to suggest it is not a naturally occurring body and was quite possibly engineered to sustain life on Earth. How did you reach this conclusion?

CK: Not only is the Moon an apparently impossible object, it has some unique benefits for us humans. It has been nothing less than an incubator for life. If the Moon was not exactly the size, mass and distance that it has been at each stage of the Earth’s evolution – there would be no intelligent life here. Scientists are agreed that we owe everything to the Moon.

more Here (http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/who-built-the-moon-an-interview-with-christopher-knight)...

http://zen-haven.com/who-built-the-moon/

PS - Yeh, who did build the 'Moon'..?

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dreamer
10th March 2013, 05:55
The Swiss, cause everyone knows its made of cheese.... ( sorry I couldn't help myself )

KiwiElf
10th March 2013, 07:49
Interesting thread Jack (sorry I accidentally pasted this on one of your other threads - now removed) :).

I could be wrong here - and there are lots of theories - but I remember reading yonks ago that 'someone' had figured out (could have been a whistleblower in NASA in the 70's, after we landed there - but I'm not sure ;)), that the Moon was older than the Earth, disbanding the earlier theory that the Moon was originally "composed" from the Earth - and further adding to the possibility of this thread's title/content. Anyone else know of this? :confused:

jackovesk
10th March 2013, 08:24
Interesting thread Jack (sorry I accidentally pasted this on one of your other threads - now removed) :).

I could be wrong here - and there are lots of theories - but I remember reading yonks ago that 'someone' had figured out (could have been a whistleblower in NASA in the 70's, after we landed there - but I'm not sure ;)), that the Moon was older than the Earth, disbanding the earlier theory that the Moon was originally "composed" from the Earth - and further adding to the possibility of this thread's title/content. Anyone else know of this? :confused:

When I look at the Moon, I go with my own Common-Sense & Knowing...

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...and that leads me to think/believe its 'Artificial'...:noidea:

Alexis
10th March 2013, 08:29
Hello and thank you for this post !
I was able to read that the moon was older than the Earth and Solar System.
I have to work on the question now...
Peace

KiwiElf
10th March 2013, 08:36
Yup, I think it's artificial too - have been trying out my new "toy" (a telescope) - unfortunately Moon is almost dark now and not due up for a few more hours. Gives me shivers to see it "that close" but awesome to look at. The really bright light areas are just "too bright" and when you catch them on the band of the shadow ...

also don't understand why there would be mounds and shapes raised inside the craters?

Apparently it rang like a bell when they deliberately crashed one of the landers into it after it's use ... indicating it could be at least partly hollow ;)

EDIT: Got distracted - we just had 3 x "orbs" fly over & change direction - bit of "traffic" up there tonite over us ;)

bennycog
10th March 2013, 09:56
Yes kiwi elf me and a mate noticed a few large lights fly across the sky tonight only about 15 mins ago.. We know they were not planes.. No flashing lights..
They were not in our opinion satellites.. Too large and relatively close but higher than commercial aircraft by miles.. Aalso it took around 11 seconds to go from one side of the sky to the other..
I have seen many like this but will never say extraterrestrial in origin until i see them stop or go another direction..
For me i think i will just never know what it was at that point in time..
Atleast until i reach a singularity, and find time as one..

Hey jacko i also brought a cool telescope about a year back and the first time i looked at the moon there was an extremely bright spot around the middle of the bottom left hand quarter.. It did not look natural whatsoever..
I am not sure about it being brought here, or made for that matter.. Though the moon is an incredible planetary body that has some very major significance on all of us and Gia itself..

Finefeather
10th March 2013, 10:03
The moon is a normal planetary body as all other bodies are. It is not a 'man' made body. It is no longer populated in the way we understand populated and it's density question is a result of the fact that it no longer supports life as we know it and the entity which once inhabited it has left. This can be likened to a dead corpse which slowly decays and breaks apart causing changes in the material structure. This means it will become lighter and will slowly decay and move away from the earth because the magnetic attraction is slowly diminishing. It is destined to break up and cease to exist.
Current science has no clue about the fact that planets can actually die in the same way as humans do. There is a spiritual entity in every planet.

The moon was first populated by us and other more advanced races billions of years ago. During this time the current human earth race was in a very early stage of evolution...our form was far from what it is today. The moon is an entity of emotional energy and is the perpetuator of our current state of emotional distress...you can notice this clearly by the various responses of animals and humans in their reactions to this body. The current human emotional state is fed by the energy of the moon and we can see this all around us in the way we go about our lives. Recently, the thread by 9eagle9 had lots to say about this effect. The human race is currently in the throngs of overcoming this energy state and this is the actual reason for the chaotic state of the planet. Emotional states, when combined with mental fixations causes fear, greed, jealousy and all sorts of troublesome conditions. The fact that the moon is in decay is a good sign because it means that the period in our evolution which concerns emotional bondage is on the way out...this is going to take some time still. Here is a little fact, for those who like facts...the quicker the human race overcomes the emotional stage the quicker the moon will decay and cease to exist.

No doubt that all kinds of ancient ruins and artefacts are present on the moon, but they are from a long past history of the moon. The current wave of humans...which is the majority here on earth came from this moon chain and only individualised recently from an animal state, as far as evolution is concerned.

The fact that UFO and other phenomena have been reported on and around the moon is far from being of any importance to our well-being here on earth. You need to worry about what crazy humans are up to not what 'aliens' are up to.

So the moon is a natural body created by the logos of this solar system as a temporary focal point for the emotional state of the solar system and can be likened to the 3rd chakra in the human system. Cast your mind to all the rituals and stories related to the moon. Emotional energy controls and effects the liquid state of a body including the human body. Think of the power of thought and how it can effect water. The less emotional we become the less influence the moon will have on you and the less energy you will feed this body, resulting in it's destruction...so be it.

The key to controlling emotional states is knowledge transmuted into wisdom, by direct experience of your own actions in your life and what you witness around you.

Love to all
Ray

jackovesk
10th March 2013, 10:49
The moon is a normal planetary body as all other bodies are. It is not a 'man' made body. It is no longer populated in the way we understand populated and it's density question is a result of the fact that it no longer supports life as we know it and the entity which once inhabited it has left. This can be likened to a dead corpse which slowly decays and breaks apart causing changes in the material structure. This means it will become lighter and will slowly decay and move away from the earth because the magnetic attraction is slowly diminishing. It is destined to break up and cease to exist.
Current science has no clue about the fact that planets can actually die in the same way as humans do. There is a spiritual entity in every planet.

The moon was first populated by us and other more advanced races billions of years ago. During this time the current human earth race was in a very early stage of evolution...our form was far from what it is today. The moon is an entity of emotional energy and is the perpetuator of our current state of emotional distress...you can notice this clearly by the various responses of animals and humans in their reactions to this body. The current human emotional state is fed by the energy of the moon and we can see this all around us in the way we go about our lives. Recently, the thread by 9eagle9 had lots to say about this effect. The human race is currently in the throngs of overcoming this energy state and this is the actual reason for the chaotic state of the planet. Emotional states, when combined with mental fixations causes fear, greed, jealousy and all sorts of troublesome conditions. The fact that the moon is in decay is a good sign because it means that the period in our evolution which concerns emotional bondage is on the way out...this is going to take some time still. Here is a little fact, for those who like facts...the quicker the human race overcomes the emotional stage the quicker the moon will decay and cease to exist.

No doubt that all kinds of ancient ruins and artefacts are present on the moon, but they are from a long past history of the moon. The current wave of humans...which is the majority here on earth came from this moon chain and only individualised recently from an animal state, as far as evolution is concerned.

The fact that UFO and other phenomena have been reported on and around the moon is far from being of any importance to our well-being here on earth. You need to worry about what crazy humans are up to not what 'aliens' are up to.

So the moon is a natural body created by the logos of this solar system as a temporary focal point for the emotional state of the solar system and can be likened to the 3rd chakra in the human system. Cast your mind to all the rituals and stories related to the moon. Emotional energy controls and effects the liquid state of a body including the human body. Think of the power of thought and how it can effect water. The less emotional we become the less influence the moon will have on you and the less energy you will feed this body, resulting in it's destruction...so be it.

The key to controlling emotional states is knowledge transmuted into wisdom, by direct experience of your own actions in your life and what you witness around you.

Love to all
Ray


It is not a 'man' made body

I don't think anyone was insinuating it was 'Man-Made'...:confused:

ThePythonicCow
10th March 2013, 10:53
The moon is a normal planetary body as all other bodies are. It is not a 'man' made body.
The question isn't whether it's man made or naturally made. The question is whether it is (all or largely) artificial or natural.

In other words, it could have been made by other intelligent beings, or heavily adapted from a natural planetary body by other intelligent beings.

Finefeather
10th March 2013, 10:54
It is not a 'man' made body

I don't think anyone was insinuating it was 'Man-Made'...:confused:

Nor was I, that is why I used singular quotes...meaning man as in any form of man...be it alien man, mars man or any other galactic or universal man...

ThePythonicCow
10th March 2013, 10:58
Nor was I, that is why I used singular quotes...meaning man as in any form of man...be it alien man, mars man or any other galactic or universal man...
Ah - "man" as a synonym for "intelligent being" ... I misunderstood :).

Snoweagle
10th March 2013, 11:39
Actually, I have another hypothesis which might be worthy of discussion.

I propose the Moon was not the Earths moon originally.
I propose the Moon became Earths Moon when the "planets" were destroyed which now make up the asteroid belts "clumps" of the "Trojans" and the "Greeks".
I propose the Moon had been occupied by "races" before that extinction level event.

The loss of two planets in our Solar System would have upset the equilibrium of the gravity of the planetary orbits. This explains in turn the fluctuating Ice Age periods of Earth. This explains the historical reference to Saturn being our original "Sun". This explains why humanity is unable to look directly at our "new" sun as the light intensity is now greater than before.

Anyways, we should have a beer for all it matters:)

DNA
10th March 2013, 11:58
The moon is a normal planetary body as all other bodies are. It is not a 'man' made body. It is no longer populated in the way we understand populated and it's density question is a result of the fact that it no longer supports life as we know it and the entity which once inhabited it has left. This can be likened to a dead corpse which slowly decays and breaks apart causing changes in the material structure. This means it will become lighter and will slowly decay and move away from the earth because the magnetic attraction is slowly diminishing. It is destined to break up and cease to exist.
Current science has no clue about the fact that planets can actually die in the same way as humans do. There is a spiritual entity in every planet.


I don't think so bro. The moon is far from normal. The moon is the only planetoid of it's size in the solar system that doesn't rotate on it's axis. It's fixed to only display one side towards the earth at all times, this is suspicious for many reasons but most notably the resource it provides as a clandestine possibility for a base on the dark side.
I like the take on planet death causing density to diminish though. You should provide your source for that. Not doing so gives you a bit of a needy swami vibe.




The moon was first populated by us and other more advanced races billions of years ago. During this time the current human earth race was in a very early stage of evolution...our form was far from what it is today. The moon is an entity of emotional energy and is the perpetuator of our current state of emotional distress...you can notice this clearly by the various responses of animals and humans in their reactions to this body. The current human emotional state is fed by the energy of the moon and we can see this all around us in the way we go about our lives. Recently, the thread by 9eagle9 had lots to say about this effect. The human race is currently in the throngs of overcoming this energy state and this is the actual reason for the chaotic state of the planet. Emotional states, when combined with mental fixations causes fear, greed, jealousy and all sorts of troublesome conditions. The fact that the moon is in decay is a good sign because it means that the period in our evolution which concerns emotional bondage is on the way out...this is going to take some time still. Here is a little fact, for those who like facts...the quicker the human race overcomes the emotional stage the quicker the moon will decay and cease to exist.

Ingo Swann states the reason for this uneasiness is because the moon is a base for folks projecting a form of mind control that affects the population of the planet.

Your dying planet thing sounds cool though, but you should provide your source for that, not doing so gives you an all seeing OZ don't look behind the curtain kind of vibe.



No doubt that all kinds of ancient ruins and artefacts are present on the moon, but they are from a long past history of the moon. The current wave of humans...which is the majority here on earth came from this moon chain and only individualised recently from an animal state, as far as evolution is concerned.

The fact that UFO and other phenomena have been reported on and around the moon is far from being of any importance to our well-being here on earth. You need to worry about what crazy humans are up to not what 'aliens' are up to.

If Ingo Swann is correct, and the moon is a staging ground for projecting a controlling telapathy on to the earth then yes we should worry about it.

Also, a good portion of this forum believes that earth and particularly the US is in possession of space bound vessels capable of going to the moon when ever they want.
You stating what people should and shouldn't worry about kind of makes you sound like your starting a cult and folks should stop listening to they're pastors and families and start listening to you.


So the moon is a natural body created by the logos of this solar system as a temporary focal point for the emotional state of the solar system and can be likened to the 3rd chakra in the human system. Cast your mind to all the rituals and stories related to the moon. Emotional energy controls and effects the liquid state of a body including the human body. Think of the power of thought and how it can effect water. The less emotional we become the less influence the moon will have on you and the less energy you will feed this body, resulting in it's destruction...so be it.

Robert Morningsky states that his grandfather talked to an alien from a downed UFO craft, and this alien stated that the moon was in fact the equivilient to a death star, a space ship and not a natural body at all. Robert Morningsky gets a boost in this because Val Valerian thinks this as well and puts stock in Morningsky.

Val Valerian is a freaking genius who has published on just about every concievable conspiracy theory there is at the highest level back in 87'. We are still getting data showing how far Val was ahead of his time.



The key to controlling emotional states is knowledge transmuted into wisdom, by direct experience of your own actions in your life and what you witness around you.

Love to all Ray

The one thing I dislike about most channelling is how it asks for you to believe it and disconnect you're own internal barometer for right and wrong. Some of your rants come off like that Ray. Making ascertations in the absolute is asking people to turn off they're internal barometer for right and wrong and to instead trust yours.


Just my take

greybeard
10th March 2013, 12:21
Regardless---no moon = no life on earth.
The moon controls the tides and without that movement of water I doubt if life would exist.
The menstrual cycle also tends to be in harmony with the moon.
The difficulty with a conspiracy theory mind set is that one tends to find evidence for ones beliefs.
Investigative mind set is good, its not good to take everything at face value.
However sometimes things are exactly as they seem to be.
When an investigation is taken on its important to look at things that confront present belief so that a true picture can emerge.
When evidence from a book or video is taken on-board then one is taking some one else's word for it---there is no personal independent examination by self. Just because it sounds interesting--looks good and confirms our own belief does not make it true.
Therefore I can not say that the moon is natural or otherwise.
I can find evidence supporting both thoughts.

Chris

RUSirius
10th March 2013, 12:26
Natural or not, it could still be "used" by "beings" for "purposes".

Prodigal Son
10th March 2013, 13:22
The moon is the only planetoid of it's size in the solar system that doesn't rotate on it's axis. It's fixed to only display one side towards the earth at all times, this is suspicious for many reasons but most notably the resource it provides as a clandestine possibility for a base on the dark side.

Yep. If Pink Floyd sang about it, then something is going on there. ;)

I have no doubt in my mind that some High Intelligence created the moon. Everything in this Universe is engineered to promote life and the evolution of living beings. When I was younger I believed "Jehovah" did it (and he very well might have!) So now maybe it was ET's. No shock there!

I'd like to know on what scientific basis Knight makes this statement:


The book lists the strangeness of the Moon, which includes the fact that it does not have a solid core like every other planetary object.

What *proof* makes this a *fact*? Does anyone know? Because personally I don't even believe that the planet we're standing on is solid at the core. I believe centrifugal force keeps it "round" ... it's actually bulging in the middle and flatter at the poles because of this... and if it stopped rotating it would collapse into itself...

panopticon
10th March 2013, 13:27
The moon rotates.
Its rotation rate gives the impression that it doesn't from the perspective of someone on earth observing the moon.
The below short animation shows how rotation and orbital duration relate so we see the same side of the moon all the time (this also happens with other moons):

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Almost all the other moons in the solar system do the same thing.
This phenomenon is referred to as tidal locking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking).

-- Pan

Finefeather
10th March 2013, 13:34
Hi DNA


I don't think so bro. The moon is far from normal. The moon is the only planetoid of it's size in the solar system that doesn't rotate on it's axis. It's fixed to only display one side towards the earth at all times, this is suspicious for many reasons but most notably the resource it provides as a clandestine possibility for a base on the dark side.
I like the take on planet death causing density to diminish though. You should provide your source for that. Not doing so gives you a bit of a needy swami vibe.


If the Moon didn't spin at all, then eventually it would show its far side to the Earth while moving around our planet in orbit. However, since the rotational period is exactly the same as the orbital period, the same portion of the Moon's sphere is always facing the Earth.


Be a little careful . . . the Moon does rotate. If you stood on the Moon, the stars would rise and set, just like they do on Earth, except that a lunar day is a month long, the same as the Moon's orbital period. The Moon rotates at just the right speed so that it always keeps one face pointed toward the Earth, which seems like a pretty big coincidence, doesn't it?
Your question is very interesting because the answer is that, no, the Moon is not unique. Almost all moons in the Solar System keep one face pointed toward their planet. (The only exception we know of is Hyperion, a moon of Saturn.) This tells us it's probably not a coincidence, that there is probably a reason for this to happen, a physical process that happens to most moons to slow their rotation.
source..http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=142



Ingo Swann states the reason for this uneasiness is because the moon is a base for folks projecting a form of mind control that affects the population of the planet.
Well that may be true but it has nothing to do with who built the moon. What humans are doing is another story.



Your dying planet thing sounds cool though, but you should provide your source for that, not doing so gives you an all seeing OZ don't look behind the curtain kind of vibe.
I am not here to educate you...you are here to educate yourself. My information comes from my own interaction with spirit in higher realms and I am not asking you to believe it...you remind of all the people that want proof in the form of someone else's writing...no matter who writes it you still need to verify it for yourself, unless you just believe the one who convinces you the best. So if I would say... “ok..Joe Soap Wrote this and here is the link”...would it make you feel better about it? Or should I run off and write a book quickly to put your mind at ease?



If Ingo Swann is correct, and the moon is a staging ground for projecting a controlling telapathy on to the earth then yes we should worry about it.
I am not here to compete with anyone...if you want to worry about it then please do :)
Controlling telepathy is only effective on weak minds...strong minds know their thoughts and act in accordance with their inner being and not outside influence.



Also, a good portion of this forum believes that earth and particularly the US is in possession of space bound vessels capable of going to the moon when ever they want.
You stating what people should and shouldn't worry about kind of makes you sound like your starting a cult and folks should stop listening to they're pastors and families and start listening to you.
Cult? God forbid! That's the last thing I need in my life :)
Just because a good portion of this forum believes in something does not make it true...millions of people used to think the world was flat.




Robert Morningsky states that his grandfather talked to an alien from a downed UFO craft, and this alien stated that the moon was in fact the equivilient to a death star, a space ship and not a natural body at all. Robert Morningsky gets a boost in this because Val Valerian thinks this as well and puts stock in Morningsky.

Val Valerian is a freaking genius who has published on just about every concievable conspiracy theory there is at the highest level back in 87'. We are still getting data showing how far Val was ahead of his time.
I do not know who Robert Morningsky or Val Valerian is and so cannot comment on what they are really saying, because your interpretation may be quite wrong based on your emotional state, and your current lack of your own found wisdom.




The one thing I dislike about most channelling is how it asks for you to believe it and disconnect you're own internal barometer for right and wrong. Some of your rants come off like that Ray. Making ascertations in the absolute is asking people to turn off they're internal barometer for right and wrong and to instead trust yours.
What channeling are you refering to? Mine? I do not channel anything and am quite weary of the process in the hands of the ignorant and the ego driven.
You have 2 choices in front of you with regard to my post. Dismiss it or try to seek answers somewhere else which will better suit your frame of mind and attitude. Neither I nor anyone can teach you anything...you can read as many books as you like...believe who ever you like...but that does not make you a wise man.


Take care of yourself dear brother and much love to you
Ray

RMorgan
10th March 2013, 15:08
The moon rotates.
Its rotation rate gives the impression that it doesn't from the perspective of someone on earth observing the moon.
The below short animation shows how rotation and orbital duration relate so we see the same side of the moon all the time (this also happens with other moons):
Almost all the other moons in the solar system do the same thing.
This phenomenon is referred to as tidal locking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking).

-- Pan

You´re right mate.

Just as the Moon causes tides on the Earth, the Earth exerts a tidal force on the Moon. This force tends to stretch the moon out online the line joining it to the Earth.

At one time, the moon spun at a much higher rate then it does now. But the action of the Earth's tidal force on it caused friction which slowed it down until it reached the state it is in now where it always faces one side towards the Earth.

Actually, the moon kind of rocks back and forth in a motion called Libration. This is caused by the fact that the Moon does not have a perfectly circular orbit, and therefore its rotation will lag behind or speed ahead a little of its orbit at different points.

Libration occurs because the Moon's rotation has a constant angular speed, while the Moon's elliptical orbit has a varying angular speed. So it's faster when close to Earth, slower when farther away. So, the orbital angular velocity is sometimes slower than the rotational angular velocity and the Moon seems to rotate a little one way as seen from Earth. Then the orbital angular velocity increases again, catches up, and overtakes the rotational velocity, and the Moon seems to rotate the other way. And so on.

This phenomenon happens all over the universe; It´s not exclusive to our moon.

Raf.

rgray222
11th March 2013, 01:00
A lot of people are always looking for conspiracies and in the case of the moon there are somethings that simply don't add up. Some things about the moon just do not seem make sense, such as the moon is at least 1 billion years older then earth, this is perplexing, disturbing and makes absolutely no sense. Also, most people have never taken the time to understand the size and scale of the universe and its stars. Look at this map of the USA superimposed on the moon, most people think the moon is much bigger than it actually is!


http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18emk3kce4khjjpg/xlarge.jpg

Hollow Moon Theory is no consirpacy

Nasa has intentionally crashed lunar modules and mapping spacecraft on the surface of the moon, for years they told us this was to see if dust or moon particles would fly above the surface so they could discover water or ice. This explanation makes absolutely no sense. The Russian's also crashed Luna 15 into the moons surface, the Russians said it was and accident but many think it is intentional. Many people think that these space vehicles are being crashed into the surface to determine if the moon is hollow. If so that would indicate that the moon may actually be alien made!
Moon Echoes: On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM’s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics—the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour.
This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light—or even no—core.
In December 2012 A pair of NASA spacecraft tumbled out of orbit around the moon and crashed back-to-back into the surface on Monday, ending a mission that peered into the lunar interior. Engineers commanded the twin spacecraft, Ebb and Flow, to fire their engines and burn their remaining fuel. Ebb plunged first, slamming into a mountain near the moon's north pole. Its twin, Flow, followed about a half minute later and aimed for the same target.



Hollow Moon: The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated,
"If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere."
Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity."
MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote,"the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field... indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow."
In Carl Sagan’s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

Technology that allows NASA to peer below the surface has been around for years so what is the real reason they are crashing expensive equipment into the surface. Just last week NASA announced that they had found channels below the surface of mars that use to contain water. Nothing had to crashed on the surface to make this assessment.

Various unexplanable facts about the moon!
Moon Diameter: How does one explain the "coincidence" that the moon is just the right distance, coupled with just the right diameter, to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? Again, Isaac Asimov responds, There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion." Hmmmm

The Shard: The Shard, an obelisk-shaped object that towers 1½ miles from the Ukert area of the moon’s surface, was discovered by Orbiter 3 in 1968. Dr. Bruce Cornet, who studied the amazing photographs, stated, No known natural process can explain such a structure."

The Tower: One of the most curious features ever photographed on the Lunar surface (Lunar Orbiter photograph III-84M) is an amazing spire that rises more than 5 miles from the Sinus Medii region of the lunar surface.

The Obelisks: Lunar Orbiter II took several photographs in November 1966 that showed several obelisks, one of which was more than 150 feet tall.

Greek authors Aristotle and Plutarch, and Roman authors Apolllonius Rhodius and Ovid all wrote of a group of people called the Proselenes who lived in the central mountainous area of Greece called Arcadia. The Proselenes claimed title to this area because their forebears were there "before there was a moon in the heavens."


There are just too many things about the moon that make no sense or seem intentional.

panopticon
11th March 2013, 02:57
Just as the Moon causes tides on the Earth, the Earth exerts a tidal force on the Moon. This force tends to stretch the moon out online the line joining it to the Earth.

At one time, the moon spun at a much higher rate then it does now. But the action of the Earth's tidal force on it caused friction which slowed it down until it reached the state it is in now where it always faces one side towards the Earth.

Actually, the moon kind of rocks back and forth in a motion called Libration. This is caused by the fact that the Moon does not have a perfectly circular orbit, and therefore its rotation will lag behind or speed ahead a little of its orbit at different points.

Libration occurs because the Moon's rotation has a constant angular speed, while the Moon's elliptical orbit has a varying angular speed. So it's faster when close to Earth, slower when farther away. So, the orbital angular velocity is sometimes slower than the rotational angular velocity and the Moon seems to rotate a little one way as seen from Earth. Then the orbital angular velocity increases again, catches up, and overtakes the rotational velocity, and the Moon seems to rotate the other way. And so on.

This phenomenon happens all over the universe; It´s not exclusive to our moon.


100% agree.

Here's a vid from the Kurdistan Planetarium showing Lunar Libration (the movement of the Moon) as seen from Earth and Lunar orbit.

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It's also interesting to note (well I find it interesting anyway) that we actually see about 59% of the Moon due to this effect leaving only 41% unobserved on the so-called "Dark Side".

The non-visible section from Earth actually isn't constantly dark, it is only our relative position as an observer that gives that perception.

-- Pan

Knowrainknowrainbows!
11th March 2013, 03:35
Watching the lunar libration was almost hypnotizing ... mesmarizing? ... to me.
Anybody else?

KRKR

kreagle
11th March 2013, 04:31
I have no doubt in my mind that some High Intelligence created the moon. Everything in this Universe is engineered to promote life and the evolution of living beings. When I was younger I believed "Jehovah" did it (and he very well might have!) So now maybe it was ET's. No shock there!




Brother, I'm not 'young' anymore and I 'still' fully believe that 'Jehovah' did it! At least His Word says so,....and that's 'good enough for me!'



Psalm 8:3-4 (KJV)

3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?




BTW brother,......I just 'recently' wrote about your 'ancient ancestor', ( Ha!, Ha!),.....and thought you might want to take a 'gander'.


Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48678-Bible-Topics-and-Questions&p=643870&viewfull=1#post643870


Love and Peace,........your brother, friend, and servant,........kreagle