This is unbelievable - Nancy Lieder telling her cult followers to kill their dogs.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

A friend of mine just sent me this video; I´m speechless.

Nancy Lieder, owner of the website Zetatalk and allegedly an emissary from Zeta extraterrestrials, tells her followers to kill their dogs back in 2003, to spare them from the "end of the world" suffering.

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Honestly, this is unbelievable! How come this woman is not in jail? How come her website is still up and running? How come people still follow her?

This is beyond crazy...It´s unbelievable. How come people follow and believe such a lunatic?

Someone has to write a book on gullibility...How come someone tells a bunch of people that the world is going to end without showing any evidence, then people believe her somehow and the next day they are killing their dogs? What if she told them to kill their own children, would her followers do it as well? Man! This is beyond comprehension to me.

The honest alternative media representatives have the duty to educate their audience, so they don´t fall for such kind of lunacies.

[WyoSeeker]

The entire Nibiru cataclysm concept was born with this woman as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

[conk]

Well, Jim Jones followers killed their children with the KoolAid, so anything is possible I guess.

[RMorgan]

The entire Nibiru cataclysm concept was born with this woman as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

I didn´t know that, I mean, the "Planet X" term was coined by her? Man!

People talk about "Planet X" here all the time and they don´t even know this whole stuff was fabricated by a delusional psychopathic woman!

It´s funny how some blatant lies invented by complete nut jobs are able to gain huge traction on the alternative media.

Thanks for the info, mate...This is so unbelievable that it looks surreal.

[meat suit]

wow , what a lunatic... she seems quite happy about it all too, judging from the interview...

[4evrneo]

At 1:00 I had to turn it off. Such delusion....

Maybe she will become a politician some day :(

[niki]

This is another proof that Skepticism and Critical-thinking is highly needed in today's "anything-goes, woo-woo New-Agey spiritualism" post-modern era!

So people won't be too gullible, naive, ignorant, and ultimately foolish into believing anything, without critical discernment and thinking!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

If it was the end of the world, I'd be happy to own a dog!~

he protects you, warns of danger, finds food, and in a pinch can be lunch. :(

IMO keep the dog.

[Snookie]

Well, Jim Jones followers killed their children with the KoolAid, so anything is possible I guess.

Abraham was going to kill Isaac as well. Why would anyone want to worship a "Gawd" who asks you to do that? Well the Mayans & Aztecs did it as well, not to mention the people who sacrificed their children to Moleck (sp), so I guess it's not that strange after all.

[Akasha]

Well, Jim Jones followers killed their children with the KoolAid, so anything is possible I guess.

Ahhh but did they?

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Sorry Raf.....now back to topic.

[conk]

Forgot to add that I will chose my dogs over most people any time, any place.

Me to my dogs: You stink and eat poop.

They hear: I love you so much!

They hear that because they come from love, are love, and live in the most instant now.

[giovonni]

The entire Nibiru cataclysm concept was born with this woman as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

I didn´t know that, I mean, the "Planet X" term was coined by her? Man!

People talk about "Planet X" here all the time and they don´t even know this whole stuff was fabricated by a delusional psychopathic woman!

It´s funny how some blatant lies invented by complete nut jobs are able to gain huge traction on the alternative media.

Thanks for the info, mate...This is so unbelievable that it looks surreal.

Come on lets get real here people ... The foretelling of the brown dwarf star coming around again, is quite a bit older that anything little old Nancy has put forth via the Zeta group... What pops in at the top of my mind is of course the ancient Sumerian text for a starter...

Note ~ with all the information that has been transmitted and shared (here) via the original and present Avalon Forums over the last five years, i would truly hope those of you that are here (now) sharing would not be so easily persuaded (for or against) such cosmic possibilities... As i have always put forth 'what does your intuitive mind say' ?

So ...if you truly believe nothing is out there then so be it !

Blessings Gio

[RMorgan]

Come on lets get real here people ... The foretelling of the brown dwarf star coming around again, is quite a bit older that anything little old Nancy has put forth via the Zeta group... What pops in at the top of my mind is of course the ancient Sumerian text for a starter...


According to the article posted by WyoSkeer, Sitchin, who was the one who came up with the idea that Nibiru is a planet and home for the Annunaki (based on his very controversial translation methods by the way) never backed up Nancy Lieder´s idea of a cataclysmic event involving Nibiru.

She was the one who used Sitchin´s books to confirm her story, associating Nibiru to Planet X, term coined by her.

This whole stuff gained traction, snowballed out of control and every now and then someone comes up with a new prediction about Planet X/Nibiru.

It´s really funny to know that Planet X, which is a largely used term on the alternative media, was coined by a mad woman.

Anyway, I don´t want to discuss the merit of Sitchin´s works here; It´s a matter of beliefs and discussing beliefs is pointless.

I just think it´s very curious regarding the term "Planet X", I mean, it´s not the first time that I find out that a term frequently used around here was actually born from a delusional fantasy.

That´s it.

[Carmody]

This is another proof that Skepticism and Critical-thinking is highly needed in today's "anything-goes, woo-woo New-Agey spiritualism" post-modern era!

So people won't be too gullible, naive, ignorant, and ultimately foolish into believing anything, without critical discernment and thinking!


The middle ground tends to be where the discernment can be found. It tends to be the toughest road to walk, as it requires honesty in all points in expression and being.

[giovonni]

Again ~

So ...if you truly believe nothing is out there then so be it !

[Debra]

Well, Jim Jones followers killed their children with the KoolAid, so anything is possible I guess.

Ahh, I heard a completely different story to this from a US marine co-opted into a covert program during his time in the forces. He told me and another person that the Jim Jones tragedy was set up .. a false flag ..to test something and the victims were homeless people from the streets. He with a number of other operatives were told to wait outside the perimeter of the compound where this all took place and when given the order to move in and clean up. Off topic a little, apologies Raf. But I question always who any of these so called cult leaders are, how they have been formed as humans, what has been their journey in life? What are the defining moments that lead them to such acts?

These days we are more savvy to ask the questions - like with Sandy Hook - is this what we are being told it is?

In this case, who might be standing behind Nancy L.? And for what reason?

[sheme]

I have two dogs-my friends, the little ones who commune with me every day, if the sh*t was about to hit the fan, the peaceful demise of my most faithful friends would be up high on my list, and I wouldn't eat them. My action would hopefully prevent an 'other' from betraying their love and trust of human beings by killing- probably inefficiently and eating them- Tolly tells me he will make them sick- promise! Get real it will be dog eat dog out there!

[giovonni]

Note, i am please to see via the last few post some reason (for) has been restored to this thread ...

So ~ i am out of here :bolt:

[Hervé]

Both Jim Jones and Nancy Lieder are CIA "assets."

There are enough posts on this forum that have substantiated it... "Search" function could be your friend.

[johnf]

Omg, the lack of concern for cats is appalling!
Maybe that's because dogs are from the pleiades, and cats are from nibiru?

I like the comment about the truth being in the middle from Carmody.
The majority of material that has a source saying it is from offplanet or from another dimension is either ridiculously positive, or ridiculously negative.


Both Jim Jones and Nancy Lieder are CIA "assets."

There are enough posts on this forum that have substantiated it... "Search" function could be your friend.
I suspect the stuff said about Sitchin's work being deliberate disinfo is part of this mess as well

[william r sanford72]

we have 3 very large dogs...they are a loyal part of our family and protect my kids and property we love em.i wont even go into how much they truly live in the moment.she is a sick sick women and i would suggest she get help..and would suggest that to anyone who would listen to her.

[Tangri]

"There are way too many people in the world who are neurotic, angry, unhappy, lonely, vindictive, or just plain sociopathic or psychopathic.

I'm afraid to say we have a long way to go before we experience the quality of creative and positive social and cultural interaction that so many of us are working to manifest on this planet." BR

I believe this one suits here.

[RMorgan]

I have two dogs-my friends, the little ones who commune with me every day, if the sh*t was about to hit the fan, the peaceful demise of my most faithful friends would be up high on my list, and I wouldn't eat them. My action would hopefully prevent an 'other' from betraying their love and trust of human beings by killing- probably inefficiently and eating them- Tolly tells me he will make them sick- promise! Get real it will be dog eat dog out there!

Sure; I don´t disagree with you. The "end of the world" is not good for dogs.

However, that´s not the point.

The point is that she killed her dogs, her followers killed their dogs and absolutely nothing like the end of the world happened.

People killed their dogs based on a nonsense unsubstantiated apocalyptic prediction. This is absolute insanity. Sane people wouldn´t kill their dogs because someone told them that the world is going to end tomorrow or the next month.

Another thing that baffles me is that fact that she doesn´t seems to feel any remorse about that, judging by her behavior in that interview.

[sheme]

spooky I answered it vanished? Start again.

Perhaps her lack of emotion is due to the "help" she received from the Zetas! perhaps they are helping too much!- I feel this might be the case.

To me she appears rude and Alien.

[Flash]

wrong thread, sorry guys

[Hervé]

Both Jim Jones and Nancy Lieder are CIA "assets."

There are enough posts on this forum that have substantiated it... "Search" function could be your friend.
I suspect the stuff said about Sitchin's work being deliberate disinfo is part of this mess as well

All having to do with: Must Read: The Matrix Deciphered by Dr Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)

[Paranormal]

Well, Jim Jones followers killed their children with the KoolAid, so anything is possible I guess. This wasn't done all voluntary: many people were forced at gun point to give the Kool aid to their babies/children:

"Do you think the people who died on November 18 thought at first that it was another dress rehearsal?

No, when the final time came, I think people were aware it was real thing. It had been a very, very bad day. Congressman Ryan had come to investigate the compound and people were leaving with him. People argued with Jim, but anyone who didn't want to commit suicide was held down and shot with needles filled with potassium cyanide. Unless you were one of the lucky ones who happened to sneak off into the jungle, you were dead. They went around with stethoscopes, and if you still had a heartbeat, you'd be shot.

Furthermore, they killed all the children first. That killed a lot of the people at heart before they actually took the Kool-Aid." from:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/drinking-the-kool-aid-a-survivor-remembers-jim-jones/248723/

[SilentFeathers]

Another thing that baffles me is that fact that she doesn´t seems to feel any remorse about that, judging by her behavior in that interview.

The woman is sick in the head period Raf, a severe narcissist to say the least....

She even says, "it's not my problem", pertaining to the folk's who killed their dogs, and goes on to say, "They're the ones listening to me, I can't control that"....That explains a lot about her mind set...,I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what she said. She is a "criminal mind", hence a "psychopath", pure and simple.

Accuse me of judging her? go for it, I will not deny that accusation.....people like her need to get a new hobby (I don't want to say what I really want to say).

...and if I am calling her a narcissist and psychopath, what does that make those that believe her vomit and run outside and kill their own pets because she tells them to do it?????

VERY cultish and major symptoms of brainwashing....

[Daughter of Time]

I imagine there's an agenda behind this type of behavior which goes above and beyond killing one's dog, not that killing one's dog isn't bad enough.

If one is capable of killing one's own dog without a second thought, it probably wouldn't be too difficult to get these same people to kill other people, like family members, in order to spare them suffering before the end of the world.

There seems to be no end of creativity (no matter how idiotic the type of creativity) to turn people into monsters.

I imagine we'll be witnessing more stories similar to this in the near future, and perhaps even worse.

[RMorgan]

I imagine there's an agenda behind this type of behavior which goes above and beyond killing one's dog, not that killing one's dog isn't bad enough.

If one is capable of killing one's own dog without a second thought, it probably wouldn't be too difficult to get these same people to kill other people, like family members, in order to spare them suffering before the end of the world.

There seems to be no end of creativity (no matter how idiotic the type of creativity) to turn people into monsters.

I imagine we'll be witnessing more stories similar to this in the near future, and perhaps even worse.

This was indeed a common practice in Nazi Germany.

They used to give each new recruit a puppy in the begining of their training, they had to take care of the puppies no matter what.

Then, about a year or so later, they ordered each soldier to kill his own dog in cold blood.

Apparently, when you kill someone you really love, a dog in this case, it gets much easier to kill people you don´t even know later on.

[sheme]

Well if you believe in death then it will worry you more, It's just something low vibrating beings think will scare us- in fact if I didn't know better I would say that was the object of the original post, I think this thread has run it's course as we now enter the gratification zone. good night and god bless us all.

[RUSirius]

This may sound bad, but I'd attack a person if they tried to kill my dog, none the less suggest it.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

She is a grey messenger right?

The same greys that have no soul or emotion right?

She is horrible.

[GlassSteagallfan]

The mentality of a person like Janet Lieder feeds into this article:

People are willing to torture others if ordered to do so by authority figures

....Yale University research demonstrates people are disturbingly willing to inflict pain on others

Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram demonstrated that people are disturbingly willing to inflict pain on others when instructed by an authority figure. In his classic research conducted in the wake of Nazi war crime trials, 65% of participants were willing to deliver 450 volts of electric shock to innocent victims who were obviously screaming in pain and objecting to the whole experiment. The participants were told that the shock there[they] were delivering was beyond dangerous, but “ominous.”

Why were people willing to inflict such torture? Because they were instructed to do so by the researcher. They were told, “It is absolutely essential that you continue. You must go on.” ......

full article: http://www.infowars.com/people-are-willing-to-torture-others-if-ordered-to-do-so-by-authority-figures/

[DeDukshyn]

Hmm ... I'm torn on this ...

It's a self solving problem ... If anyone is really gullible or stupid enough to try to kill their dog because some internet pseudo celebrity told them to, then well, maybe they shouldn't have been dog owners to begin with? I mean a certain level of responsibility is needed if we want to be able to make adult decisions for ourselves.

So, let's say someone DID kill their dog in 2003 due to this -- I'm certain those people learned a HUGE lesson in their life and will make better choices in their future. If we look at things as "events", they tend to look far different then they do if you view them as a "process" -- and since this universe has not concluded yet, the latter is far more valid.

So I allow for people to be gullible suckers, followers or whatever, because there is often a great amount of learning to be had in these situations over time. The tragedy only happens when people fail to be able to change themselves and learn -- and this applies to cult followers and non-cult followers just the same.

If one cannot change themselves at all times, one must be dead - as things that change are living.

I know nothing of the two aforementioned people and their teachings, and am not commenting on that specifically, but on the context of Raf's valid concern about self responsibility.

[gripreaper]

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[sigma6]

Well, Jim Jones followers killed their children with the KoolAid, so anything is possible I guess.

Well there might be a little bit more to that story...

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[niki]

The mentality of a person like Janet Lieder feeds into this article:

People are willing to torture others if ordered to do so by authority figures

....Yale University research demonstrates people are disturbingly willing to inflict pain on others

Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram demonstrated that people are disturbingly willing to inflict pain on others when instructed by an authority figure. In his classic research conducted in the wake of Nazi war crime trials, 65% of participants were willing to deliver 450 volts of electric shock to innocent victims who were obviously screaming in pain and objecting to the whole experiment. The participants were told that the shock there[they] were delivering was beyond dangerous, but “ominous.”

Why were people willing to inflict such torture? Because they were instructed to do so by the researcher. They were told, “It is absolutely essential that you continue. You must go on.” ......

full article: http://www.infowars.com/people-are-willing-to-torture-others-if-ordered-to-do-so-by-authority-figures/

@GlassSteagallfan : articles like this makes you think and conclude that humans are simply just another animals species (ie: "follow the herd" mentality and NO conscious & critical-thinking at all!).

sad but true reality & fact.

[robinr1]

great post

[Mulder]

I think anyone telling us to kill anything/anyone to save them from the "end of the world" needs to be immediately called-out and totally shunned, at best or at worst denounced as a mad-person. Actually, many cults have got their members to kill - e.g. the nerve-gas attack on the Tokyo subway in the 1990s. Guess what Japan did next? Japan never went to war for oil or any other reason after this attack.

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[grannyfranny100]

She isn't the first one to claim she gets info from off planet sources. This is an important clue: watch out for such channeled info. Pray that she can escape this influence as did George Kavassilas.