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nutmegger

16th March 2013, 19:12

Tesla_WTC_Solution

16th March 2013, 19:24

hello there :) new poster!!
I am kind of new here too, so..

my take on ghosts

There might be a state of existence that depends less on "observation" than simply "being", because the beings who exist there are "superluminal" (faster than light or above light). In the Bible Jesus is quoted as saying "a spirit is like the wind, which goeth where it pleases". It isn't seen and it sure doesn't wait around for us to try.

I've been wondering too, about what you are asking! :) Where are the ghosts?

Wouldn't it be nice if we could break down the barriers and just be ourselves?
Could it be that in the dimension beyond ours, everything moves at the same pace, everything happens at the same time,
and everything knows its place?

In our own dimension, matter and morals fall over each other in an endless cycle of order from chaos.
But perhaps there is a higher place where damage is less lasting and memory is stronger?

Watching from Cyprus

16th March 2013, 20:08

Why search for something we don't even know the meaning of. We think we live, but do we.. well we certainly don't live while searching for proof that there is a life after "life".. Better to search within self, actually to learn to be relaxed and listen to self, and there comes the answers.. don't try to speed thinks up too much since that will create too much confusion within and that can lead to depression.

Stand up and fight the monstrous controllers who dictate our so-called lives ..

Aim is to be free, which non of us are here on this forum.

Say NO... NO MORE.. Let us all liberate our planet for its chains and cleanse it, and nurse it to rejuvenate.

In truth honesty and love
Peter

Mercedes

16th March 2013, 20:09

Hello nutmegger and welcome to Avalon, I am also on a quest for everything we have forgotten so I keep looking everywhere for the truth but Avalon is a great place to look, because you see, we here are all seekers, and some find some and some find something else, so here is a link to a book that I'm still reading about the subject. You can download it for free. Good luck and great to have you here! :)

http://www.spiritwritings.com/barkerlastletters.pdf

ghostrider

16th March 2013, 20:17

Everything is created by thought/spirit ... becoming a human there is a block of memory, some it doesn't work and they remember being in spirit form... every spirit form on earth when the body dies, the spirit comes back to the planet the body was on ... the fact you are curious about this should tell you volumes ... you already know there is more out there, good luck on your journey of discovery ...

DNA

16th March 2013, 20:20

Here is hands down the best ten minutes in regards to imparting this truth I have ever come across.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

Here is one of my favorite pet threads. It could open some interesting dialogue in regards to your questioning.
How To See A Ghost For Your Self (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Your-Self)

nutmegger

16th March 2013, 21:08

Just want to say thanks for the quick replys . Thanks members . Like a family already.

Kryztian

16th March 2013, 21:42

I recommend this interview with Gary Schwartz, who has worked on this issue in a very academic, scientific way.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/03/RIR-110324.html

greybeard

16th March 2013, 22:13

There are quite a few Near Death Experience accounts on Avalon.

Some here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=630116&viewfull=1#post630116

This is a good one ---very relevant to what is happening in the world today.
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-AvKtSjKo&feature=player_embedded

indigopete

16th March 2013, 23:26

Hi nutmegger

You've had lots of diverse and thought provoking answers already (some of which have made me think as well).

I'll just add my take - not as an answer but more as another dimension to the puzzle - because it's something I think about quite a lot.

The thing is, what you are implicitly trying to do in your question (and we all do) is attempting to make a comparison between your identity in life and your identity in death.

However, this comparison is fraught with contradiction.

For a start, the very question implies that you are an individual - i.e. that which gives you your identity and makes you "distinct" from others. In life that's fairly straightforward because we are physical beings and there is a material discontinuity between you and another person. For all practical purposes, there is a spiritual (metaphysical) distinction as well, because you have apparent freewill that is distinct from others.

On the other hand, when we cease to be material beings, that individuality ceases as well (at least that part of our identity which we derive from being in a body). I suspect that at a metaphysical level also, we are not individual but a single entity. That entity precipitates into the material realm like raindrops forming from a cloud of water vapour. But later the drops evaporate again and return to the cloud - loosing their identity in the process.

Continuing the rain analogy, the same raindrop never forms twice. The cloud delivers totally unique drops every time it rains. A river creates totally unique vortices at every rock - a vortex will appear, swirl around a rock and dissipate into the downstream flow never to appear again.

This uniqueness can be seen absolutely everywhere in nature, so much so that I'm fairly confident that our identity in life ends with death and will never appear again - even in the spiritual realm.

If that sounds a bit depressing, don't let it be - you won't miss your identity in death because it came of something much bigger and everyone we loved did also. So even though the little whirlpool dissipated, the river's still there. Even though the raindrop evaporated, the cloud's still there.

Regarding re-incarnation and past life memories, I think these are more closely related to imagination - I don't mean that in a dismissive way, but rather that in life we still have a sub-conscious connection to the 'cloud'. Information from the cloud manifests in us as "imagination" - so I'm saying it's something that comes from somewhere rather than something random that comes from 'nowhere' as science does. However, I don't think we are actually remembering literal past lives - that concept just seems too square for me and the multi-dimensional universe doesn't operate in such a linear way.

Remember, I could be wrong - we could survive as individuals in the spiritual realm, but when looking for answers to questions such as this I always "assume" that nature has placed them in front of my nose, so I look to everyday phenomena for council. (Think fractals - look at the small fractal that you can see to find out how the big one that you can't works).

h.t.h.

Pete

WhiteFeather

16th March 2013, 23:41

Welcome Nutmegger to Avalon. Here's one on reincarnation. I find this story fascinating. The boy and his previous incarnation from a WW2 Pilot that was shot down in the sea of Japan and comes back again. Stunning Story to say the least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk7biSOzr1k

Mare

17th March 2013, 00:12

Transcripts from Leslie Flint's direct voice communications

THE FREDERICK OLSEN SÉANCE

Date: 1967.

Sitters: George Woods and Betty Greene.

Communicators: Frederick Olsen ("George Ohlson").

Hi there,

below I've copied and pasted what I think is a fascinating transcript from the Leslie flint voice medium collection of seances. I won't babble on about it here because you can read all about it on his website if you care to (he's been dead 30 years btw) but when I first stumbled upon it, it really blew my whole concept of life after death. There's level beyond level beyond level. Anyway take a look and I've added the link to his website below for your perusal:

http://www.leslieflint.com/

SUMMARY: The learning that goes on after death.

NOTE: In Neville Randall's Book "Life After Death" Mr. Olsen is referred to as Mr. George Ohlson, who had been a personal friend of George Woods. He is referred to as George during the séance. This spelling of his name is adopted for this transcript.

Ohlson: Hello George.

Woods: Hello.

Ohlson: Hello Betty.

Greene: Hello. Who's that?

Ohlson: Good Lord. Ohlson here.

Woods: Oh, Ohlson.

Greene: Hello Mr. Ohlson

Woods: Well, Mr. Ohlson...

Greene: Well...

Ohlson: Well, how are you both?

Woods: Oh, very well.

Greene: Fine thank you.

Woods: And how are you getting on?

Ohlson: Very well. No regrets. I'm very happy. I wouldn't come back if you offered me all the gold in China!

Greene: (Laughing)

Woods: Oh, well... (Laughs)

Ohlson: I'm perfectly well and perfectly happy and I can't tell you how marvellous it is to be dead!

Flint: (Laughs)

Woods: Oh, well I never!

Ohlson: I've never known... Well, you know I was very interested in all this and I used to go to the meetings and the séances...

Greene: Yes.

Woods: I know you were.

Greene: I've sat with you in this room before.

Ohlson: I know that's a few years ago. My goodness me - people should consider themselves lucky the day they kick the bucket!

Flint and Sitters: (Laughing)

Woods: What are you doing Mr. Ohlson on that side?

Ohlson: Oh, I'm not doing anything in particular. Just... I suppose everything's a matter of adjustment and time but I'm perfectly well, perfectly happy in my own way of life over here. Met all my people and lots of my old friends and companions, you know.

Woods: Met Mr. Pell?

Ohlson: Yes, but I don't particularly feel inclined to do anything. I suppose eventually I shall. I find everything here so stimulating, so interesting. And to feel fit and well, to be able to get about and take an interest in things and people... And there are so many interests, George. Ah, wait till you come here! I don't know what you're waiting for. I don't know what you're staying there for.

Woods: Well, I want to do a lot of work.

Ohlson: Ahh!! You'll do a few years probably.

Woods: Huh!

Greene: Mr. Ohlson, what were your feelings when you first found yourself over there?

Ohlson: Well fortunately I knew quite a bit about it before I came. That was a great blessing and a great help; believe me it was. Oh, I was a bit um... I suppose like everyone must be at first, a bit shaken in a way. I suppose we have our own idea of things and what we've been told one way and another but... I think the reality of it all, the naturalness of it all, was the thing that surprised me. I suppose it shouldn't have done, but it did.

Greene: Well, what sort of condition did you find yourself in? What sort of place or... um... you know...?

Ohlson: Well, I sort of... as far as I'm concerned the place in which I found myself was... I suppose the nearest one can say is like some country place: could be anywhere, in a sense. I mean there were... the trees and the birds and just as if one was waking up in a country village, although in a sense it wasn't a village. I realized that very soon afterwards. Thousands and thousands of people; many, many... I suppose what you'd call apartment houses... the only way I can... I suppose that's what you'd call them; vast buildings housing thousands of people. All sounds like a rather like a large council estate, but nothing like that really.

Greene: No. Go on.

Ohlson: But very beautiful. Extremely beautiful setting: a sort of woodland setting and beautiful scenery everywhere. Even lakes. I mean I... it was just as if you... well, were waking up, as it were, in a kind of country setting in the late summer.

Greene: Lovely.

Ohlson: Everything was very quiet and peaceful and yet one soon realized there was a great deal of activity going on but there was no noise of any description. And the animals: there seemed to be many, many animals. And indeed I realized there were many animals here, particularly in regard to domestic animals: cats and pets that people have had on Earth, you know, that they still have over here. But they live in communities. There are separate houses. There are people who do have separate houses but that seems to come - as far as I can make out - to most people after a time. It doesn't necessary happen all at once. There are probably exceptions.

I think this place... In fact I realized this place which I first came to was a kind of reception station - that's the only way I can put it - because it's pretty obvious that quite a lot of people when they first come they do need help and care and attention. They need to be sort of helped through, I suppose for many people, a difficult situation or a difficult period. They don't all take to it, I suppose. In the beginning the realisation for some when their dead and that they're separated from, particularly, certain people they're close to and fond of on Earth; when they realise that although they can return but very seldom do they have an opportunity to have a chat or to comfort the people they know and love on Earth, they soon begin to realise that they're not acknowledged, they're not welcomed and of course that's a great distress to people at first - I think one of the greatest distresses for people. That's why they do have these reception stations where there are very advanced souls in attendance who know how to deal with these difficult... more difficult cases and in consequence they're soon nurtured into a new way of thinking.

But for some people it's very difficult at first. That's why this knowledge, if you have this knowledge, it's a tremendous help to you because you realise very quickly the whole situation and you have the advantage of knowing that you can make a contact. And those people near and dear to you, if they're sufficiently interested as invariably they are (because through one's knowledge of it oneself when on Earth one's near ones are usually aware of it) and you can usually get back and get a communication: "I'm alright. Don't worry about me and everything in the garden's lovely," sort of thing. And it cheers them up, cheers us up and of course we settle down probably more quickly than the average person.

But I think the most difficult cases are these who have strong convictions, religious convictions: narrow outlook, you know, and... oh, they find it much more difficult and sometimes they're quite problems, you know.

Oh, we have community centres and the children of course are one of the greatest joys. I've seen so many children who live with their people over here. Of course, for many of them their parents are still on Earth but they're taken in charge by people, usually if possible related to them, like perhaps it might be a grandmother and so on. But if there is no close tie or relationship there's always souls here who'll take charge. And we have schools for them and they learn all sorts of things: certain things which they probably would have almost certainly learned at school on Earth but many other things which are much more important.

Here it's a vastly different life altogether and yet one takes to it like a duck takes to water, or at least I did. Of course, some don't. I suppose at first as I said some find it very difficult.

But, you know, there are vast cities here. I mean not just as I've just explained the place I first came to which you could say was... well, it was more than a village. Here there are vast cities, tremendous cities, vast cities and also you do get communities of peoples who, possibly because of their nationality when on Earth and possibly because of their colour even... they have this habit of clinging together or being together. This is usually of course a temporary thing. With most of them they... I suppose it's a national thing that they bring with them but this is soon lost and there's no bad feeling or anything like that. You do get these groups who cling together and live as a community who are possibly when... well, at least when on Earth were one nationals, you know, but that soon disappears.

Oh, we have vast, vast cities and all manner of interests; great halls of learning; great halls of music. One can study any particular thing that appeals to one; mostly of an artistic endeavour because it seems to me (I can realise that much more now) that art and things of the mind and of the spirit are the things that are the most lasting, obviously. I mean certain material gifts or abilities that one may have had may have been very necessary and very wonderful for the individual when on Earth, but over here they're not much value because those things are not necessary and they don't exist.

You see this is a real world but it's not a material world. So therefore we don't have all the material aspects like you do on Earth. You don't get vast factories, for instance. You don't get railways and stations and thank God you don't get all the noise, the filth and the dirt. Here it's a world of absolute beauty and there's a joy of progress in everything; the feeling of elation that comes with the realization that all the time you're stepping forward. It's so subtle I suppose really in a kind of way. You're not fully aware of it but there is this realisation that nothing can ever be... well, too much of an effort. Everything will come gradually. There's progress of every sense, every kind. It's a must. I mean you can't avoid it. It's there. It's for you. It depends on you. You receive help and encouragement but it still falls back on the individual. And of course there's this realisation that... well, it's something which builds up. It's not something that just... you achieve something and that's it and that's the top and bottom of it. There's always something new, something fresh, something more interesting, some new experience, some new place to go to, new people to visit; fresh arrivals coming over from the Earth: people we've known and loved - helping them settle, getting them interested in all sorts of things over here.

The whole thing... it's very difficult. I realise of course now more than I ever did how difficult it is to impart knowledge - that is knowledge appertaining to this sort of life - which is so far removed in some senses from Earth. And yet at the same time it's very important to realise what a reality of life it is. It's not a wishy-washy affair. It's not some sort of vague something. It's a real existence and we are, in our own way, as physical as you are and yet it's not a physical body as you have it. It's... to all outward appearances it may look the same but it isn't; the construction is different. I mean, we're living on a vibration which is so far removed from Earth and everything is rarified in consequence and everything that we do has a meaning and a purpose. At first of course one doesn't appreciate... or at least one appreciates but one doesn't understand it. And now one can not only understand and appreciate but one can see the purpose behind so many things.

I mean, when I look back on your side I think, "Well, my God! How did I ever get through it?" I mean your world to me seems... well, it's as if there's a dark, dreary, foggy atmosphere and of course the thought forces emanating from your world en mass, you know, are so terrible. And there's all this upset and hatred and bitterness and malice and goodness knows what else, coupled with all the other issues and complications of life. It amazes me now looking back of course... of course one doesn't obviously know anything better when you're on Earth but it seems almost such a remote thing - the old life, you know. I wouldn't want to come back to it!

All Content Copyright © The Leslie Flint Educational Trust Ltd.

Cognitive Dissident

17th March 2013, 00:31

Just a quick post - this is a great book in which police commander relates the tale of how, under hypnosis, he discovered that he had a past life, describing his quest to discover the truth about Carroll Beckwith, the man he had been...

Hard nosed New York police officer at the end of the book has sufficient evidence to convince a jury that he had this past life... simple but highly effective if you ever meet a sceptic "but there's no evidence!" hehehehe

http://www.amazon.com/Looking-Carroll-Beckwith-Stories-Detectives/dp/1579541011/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363480158&sr=8-1&keywords=carroll+beckwith

HaulinBananas

17th March 2013, 00:58

I've been listening to these recordings, made around 1976, by Robert Monroe at The Monroe Institute. He has various people in darkened rooms, in meditative states, exploring "inner space" with their minds. Today I heard several recordings where "people" on the other side discuss their previous human lives. One gives his birth and death dates, college name, wife's name, son's name.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/resources/downloads/cat/explorer-series

Great books to read, that include lives not only on planet earth are by Dr. Brian Weiss, Dr Michael Newton, Dolores Cannon - many to choose from, Wes Bateman has an interesting one titled Through Alien Eyes, and there are a multitude of single book authors that discuss their own past life, life after death, near death experiences.

But you ask for proof of the existence of our spirits after we leave our physical being . . . that very topic was discussed on one of the recordings I listened to today from TMI's Explorer series. Probably somewhere on number 8, 9, 10, or 11. They asked a "person" on the other side what he thought of religion now that he was on the other side, and what his thoughts were on continued existence after death.

It was interesting listening.

After reading so much about the existence of our spirits beyond our physical beings and listening to many podcasts, watching some youtube videos . . . I'm convinced. But it's so interesting to read all the various sources, so I hope you will follow up on many leads.

Rozzy

17th March 2013, 02:49

Hi I'm new to the forum , and I am hoping fellow members can help me in quest . I have been searching the Internet (YouTube etc..) for proof of the existence of our spirits after we leave our physical being , I read and seen various stories and videos, but still unsure what to believe. If we have spirit energy , can we remember our physical life memories , and how ? I believe there must be something otherwise what's the point of us being here, were we put here by other beings etc.. What are ghosts ? I'm looking for answers which will help fit realistic pieces of the puzzle together . I know there will be people who know stuff out there who keep this information from us I just need guiding down the right path and that's hopefully why I've come to this forum.

I am not so sure I can prove anything, but I can relate a recent experience of my own.
I went to bed just like any other night, I drifted off to sleep easily. I went OBE and was some where I did not recognize, the people/beings were all around but not engaged with me in any way. I did come in contact with one individual that said something that I took exception to, I reciprocated with my own big mouth. I challenged him and was knocked from the realm I was in back into my bed so hard it knocked me out of bed and I found myself in the middle of the floor. The wind knocked out of me and very sore ribs. It has been over two weeks and I still have some sore ribs even yet. There was nothing on the floor that I landed on etc, It was like being shot out of a canon, hitting the floor very hard like being bodyslammed by some one ten times your strength.
I could say it was just a dream,but my ribs still hurt way to much for me to convince myself of that.

apokalypse

17th March 2013, 03:28

good interview with Dr Pim Van Lommel...

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right now i'm keep my mind open with these things about NDE-Afterlife...ect. considered it as Unknown fact or known fact.

Rozzy

17th March 2013, 04:00

For me it is easy because I remember being some where before this life, I also remember coming here, it was like falling, the sensation was like if you got on a swing and got going as high as you could and then jumping off and falling to the grass, falling with your eyes closed, that is what it was like for me. Proven, unproven for the person who knows they have nothing to prove, for those who have no idea I guess you will have to wait and see.:cool:

Rozzy

17th March 2013, 04:22

For those who are of a christian slant, Isaiah, Ezekiel, 2 Corinthians, Wisdom and 2 Maccabees address life and death and the continuum of life, OBE.

Isaiah 65: 17-20
Ezekiel 16:53-55
2 Corinthians 5
Wisdom 3
2 Maccabees 12:41-45
Matthew 22:32
John 8:51
2 Corinthians 12:1,2

christian

17th March 2013, 08:06

The only real proof is in experiencing it, I figure, but even then you could call it all a huge delusion... I personally use a mixture of my analytical and intuitive side to shape my world view, but then again as it has been overturned so often by now, I'm not really attached to any view anymore and see all my views on existence as a "controlled folly," as Juan Matus would say...

But there are many hints and smoking guns in regard to the existence of an afterlife. Past life memories are surely among them, when people discover real historical places with provable details in their memories, sometimes with the names and stories of people there. Or when they suddenly know another language, or in generally how some past life memories help trigger intense processes once you become aware of them.

Brian Weiss is one of many past life regressionists, who started out as a hypnotherapist and found out about past lives by accident when his clients under hypnosis would start to talk about it. That's what happened to Dolores Cannon as well, who is also famous for her past life regression therapy.

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ViralSpiral

17th March 2013, 08:33

Welcome Nutmegger

You beat me to it Christian. :)

Dr Weiss's book was one of the first I read when I embarked on the road less traveled. Thoroughly enjoyable and credible.

http://wanderingmist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/book-many-lives-many-masters-brian-weiss-review11.jpg

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Englishman Alun Morgan bemused doctors after he woke up speaking fluent Welsh and no English following a severe stroke.

Nutmegger this topic is raised often. By using the search option, many threads will point the way.

apokalypse

17th March 2013, 08:49

agree with Christian, real proof and evidence is experience it...

i got a book Journey Of Soul written by Dr Micheal Newton recommended by unknown person at bookstore. if you don't have the book so here it is a audiobook version, alot of taken out but they still keep all of the main point.
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nutmegger

17th March 2013, 09:38

Thanks so much to everyone , there's so much information to look through that I never came across , I understand until we do experience it for our selfs we will probably never know. I like the near death experiences that is as close I think for someone to actually pass over and then be able to come back . But so many accounts , all different apart from little snippets of truth maybe ( a bright light et.. They all seem to see this)I shouldn't delve to deep into this as while we are still alive there is do much for us to achieve . Thanks again .

Swan

17th March 2013, 11:01

Hi Nutmegger,

Have a look at sirdipswitch`s thread on OBEs. I am not sure how to post the link...

apokalypse

17th March 2013, 11:58

Dr. Brian Weiss -- Same Soul, Many Bodies...great interview!
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all 12 parts: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB332671E4F4A916C

Cidersomerset

17th March 2013, 12:25

I am not religious, but I have never thought this is all there is ,and after listening to the Ion material, various near death experiancers.
The fact that the 'elite' have always talked to the other side for information it seems this is only a illusion.

Now is this a holographic universe contruct devoloped from our collective conciousness ?

Are the beings on the otherside and in multiple parrallel words us ? Aliens or entities ?

There are many Q & A and each of us as individual 'gods' can believe whatever they want
in their own reality.I am happy in Bob and ions explanation, but whether its true or not
I will have to wait and see ..LOL..

I have put up several threads on this fascinating aspect of our eternal
experiance.....and related topics.

Dr. Eben Alexander...Proof of Aterlife....Coast 2 Coast..& .. Afterlife TV interview
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51954-Dr.-Eben-Alexander...Proof-of-Aterlife....Coast-2-Coast..-..-Afterlife-TV-interview

Bob Nevritts ....'Evergreens' Special with Ellie & Howard
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55361-Bob-Nevritts-....Evergreen-Special-with-Ellie-Howard

Timothy Leary Channelled Thru the 'Evergeens' in 1996....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49332-Timothy-Leary-Channelled-Thru-the-Evergeens-in-1996....

What the Illuminati Know about ET's & Human evolution.....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38141-What-the-Illuminati-Know-about-ET-s-Human-evolution.....

The Holographic Universe....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53148-The-Holographic-Universe....

David Icke - The Holographic Illusion of Reality
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53608-David-Icke-The-Holographic-Illusion-of-Reality

sheme

17th March 2013, 14:23

Teal Scott has an enlightening perspective on this subject. (42) hitchhiker fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b65hEGLuYwI&list=PL38C218BE4D0C7C8A.

ghostrider

17th March 2013, 20:59

I have a theory, used to we came back to work out karma or life lessons, but the more I learn , I think we are here for everyone else on the planet... thats why we kinda dont fit in with the whole war, greed, ego crowd... we have moved beyond that childish realm ... it's about earth and cleansing her from low vibrations of humans trapped in the wheel of karma ...

Tesla_WTC_Solution

17th March 2013, 21:02

Why would we have the propensity and desire to connect with the spiritual world if it did not exist?

even an evolutionist should have a hard time answering that.

ghostrider

17th March 2013, 21:50

I love reading this thread, there are some really ancient souls here, that have lived millions of lifetimes, little things in their post are big signs, you know who you are, you get bored easy because your souls are millions of years old and very advanced, too advanced for earth ... we are lucky to have you, helping the vibrations of earth ...

ghostrider

17th March 2013, 22:08

Kimberley

17th March 2013, 22:52

There are millions of stories and a lot of great suggestions have been posted here already however I will post a few additional favorites of mine...I have many.

I just found this today on another thread that is fun short and sweet...

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Someone already mentioned Dr Brian Weiss, he is one of my favorites and I recommend all of his books and search for interviews with him , there are many available. And you can start here at his website http://www.brianweiss.com/ I had the opportunity to interview him in 2005 and meet him face to face also.

Also a top favorite is Dr John Lerma he is a hospice doctor and has some of the most incredible stories to tell about patients he has attended to in their last months and weeks of life I recommend reading both of his books:

Into the Light: Real Life Stories About Angelic Visits, Visions of the Afterlife, and Other Pre-Death Experiences

and Learning from the Light: Pre-Death Experiences, Prophecies, and Angelic Messages of Hope

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=dr+john+lerma&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=7286798767&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=868388160139196649&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&ref=pd_sl_l8lrk1f91_e

I have interviewed Dr Lerma 3 times..if you are interested in hearing them let me know.

And Anita Moorjani is new to the scene and her story is amazing her book is titled "Dying To Be Me" and there are many of her interviews available by searching for them and here is her website http://anitamoorjani.com You can find my interview with her on this page http://anitamoorjani.com/?page_id=56 ...7 interviews down the page

Like I said the are many more, however these are my top 3 favorites...

Much love! I personally have no doubt that we are immortal beings..not our physical bodies though :-) although the physical body can last a lot longer if you believe it to be so.

seeker/reader

18th March 2013, 01:22

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Vitalux

18th March 2013, 02:54

This is a really wonderful thread
Thank you to all those that have contributed, I really am enjoying learning and exploring this thread.

indigopete

18th March 2013, 10:21

Don't know if anyone has seen this one, but it's quite fascinating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wh0OsVtdeE

Prodigal Son

18th March 2013, 12:27

Some great contributions in this thread... and if it hasn't been mentioned already, a person can be shown all the "evidence" in the world, when it comes to the experiences of others, but it won't matter if their belief system prohibits the idea of consciousness after death. As a deluded religious person I believed up until 7 years ago that any and all interaction with the dead was interaction with demons pretending to be the dead ones. I always wondered why they had nothing better to do....

In 2006 I had a date with a psychic healer... a very good one. We had no romantic chemistry... and I could never date anyone who could read me like a newspaper... but my life was forever changed after she channeled my father who died in 2002. It was just as if he was alive and talking to me... and it was very emotional on both ends. Afterwards, the channeler couldn't remember any of it.. I had to tell her what he said.

He pleaded with me for forgiveness,,, and I was able to close a lot of wounds that I never even knew existed. I thought, why the hell would "demons" want to do that?

There's nothing like personal experience.

Cidersomerset

18th March 2013, 13:18

Teal Scott has an enlightening perspective on this subject. (42) hitchhiker fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b65hE...C218BE4D0C7C8A.

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Thanks Sheme from these tapes she sounds very much like ion
although in slightly different language..

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The essence of creation is the 'spoken word' that creates the vibrational freqency
that lines up with the universe. We are 'pure electricty' at the non-physical level.
There are many references during the shows , but only a few in mp3 form which
Ed from Information farm made early on.

July 4, 2010
iON | Aligning the Physical and the Non-physical
Source: Cash Flow, howionic.com

download mp3

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_align_physical_nonphysical.mp3
(audio above) iON answers the question: “How do I align my physical and non-physical?”

•Everything in your world is created by your thoughts.
•Take no action until you ask the simple question, “What is the fastest path to my joy? Once you have an answer to that, then take the action.”
•Only speak of the things that you are wanting to enjoy in your experience. Only speak of the things that you want.
•Then drag your physical through the labyrinth of your mind to show up and enjoy the party.

http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/ion-aligning-physical-and-non-physical.html

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August 24, 2010
iON | (DYI) A Guide to Creating Whatever You Want: 3-2-1

Source: howionic.com

“You can have, do or be whatever you want to have, do or be.”

iON gives the formula for creating your desires and overlaying the labyrinth of the mind.
download mp3

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_3-2-1.mp3

3—Imagine what you want
2—Let non-physical bring it into existence
1—Add details

http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/ion-how-to-create-whatever-you-want-3-2.html

apokalypse

18th March 2013, 14:22

just one thing i'm really wondering does Et's playing god manipulating us on spritual level?

jsb_swampfox

18th March 2013, 14:38

Cidersomerset

18th March 2013, 14:46

just one thing i'm really wondering does Et's playing god manipulating us on spritual level?

It depends who the ET's are ? Ion has brushed on this, its on the lines there is no
time ,just one gigantic now and that the Et's making the crop circles are us from,
what would be from our perspective the future.But I have notheard a diffinitive
answer from them i can remember.Bob says the illuminati families, those were the
educated elites believe that we were created by the Booteans,which Bob explains in
his talk on what the illuminati knows about ET's.This was many years before Ion
came thru. The digital meme created the enviroment that enabled ion/non physical
to cross the viel and communicate in the physical.....

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Uploaded on 14 Nov 2011

iON: Crop circles are the nodes of the phytoplankton in the plants that respond a
certain way, which makes them have a certain vibrational frequency, which they lay
down, because they don't crush the field, they actually grow to the ground. It
changes the way they lay. www.howionic.com

Youniverse

18th March 2013, 15:05

One of the best recent books on the subject of life after death is Eben Alexander's Proof of Heaven. In my opinion, that is a very convincing book for those that are on the fence. For me, it was further evidence of what I already know.

Youniverse

18th March 2013, 15:12

How about Evidence of the Afterlife by Jeffrey Long and Paul Perry? It covers extensive research on Near Death Experiences(which I call death experiences because you do 'die' and come back). One of the co-authors established an online library of NDE's from all over the world, thousands of them, and showed the commonality and consistencies through the testimonials, regardless of culture.

Cidersomerset

18th March 2013, 16:03

Breakthrough scientific evidence for the afterlife. The Scole Experiments. For five years a group of mediums and scientists witnessed more phenomena than in any other experiment in the history of the paranormal, including recorded conversations with the dead, written messages on sealed film, video of spirit faces and even spirit forms materializing. These experiments may finally convince you there is life after death. The scientific team in change of overseeing these experiments include world renowned Cambridge Scientist - Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, Dr. David Fontana and Researcher Montague Keen who died during the filming of the documentary.

I have posted this before it is an excellent video and more proof of the otherside, it ties in for me to what ion is saying. The Universe is a holographic construct created by us.
the manifestations on the vid are holographic, the objects come thru portals. we can create portal in physical and travel thru parrallel worlds.Ion has said that much of our
science has come thru parrallel worlders.The Queen mother was able to do it .( I don't know if thats what is meant by reptilian entities in the royal blood line ).. LOL
Ion has said so much that seemed incredible, but it seems to happening in front of my 'lieing' eyes. Now ion would probably say I am bringing it into my reality,
and being on the forum into our collective reality.Like all the threads and any knowledge or experiance, untill youare told it, see it,read it ,feel it or experiance it you do not
believe it usually.

The differance now is the veil is thinning, all portals ,gates & rifts are opening so the physical & non-physical are coming back together.

May 15, 2010

iON | Access Other Worlds Via Portals, Gates, Rifts & Thought

Source: howionic.com

“Take a strong flash light in a dim room and pin point the flashlight toward a specific item in the room, the item becomes the brightest thing in the room. Better than any kodak moment we can think of. Illumination looks just like that!” ~iON practice for recognizing a “shiney, shiney”

iON says all portals are now open and explains how to use them consciously and take your physical body with you back and forth between worlds.

download mp3

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_portals_gates.mp3

Butangeld

19th March 2013, 10:39

The survival of death has long been a fact in some scientific circles. Ever since I discovered the work of Sir William Crookes, he was the president of the Royal Society no less, I have taken the opportunity where I find it to spread his work. He designed and conducted scientific experiments, which require a physical medium, that prove survival. These experiments were repeated else where in the world at the time. He lived around 1900, was loved by the scientific establishment and then vilified by the same people for his 'new discovery'.

Much can be learned about him, and others that worked in this field and the scientific approach today to the evidence these experiments present over at the Campaign for Philosophical Freedom http://cfpf.org.uk/.

Physical mediums are rare indeed. They manifest solid, deceased individuals while in trance. Their problem today, and it's been that way for some 30 years, is finding one of these physical mediums that is willing to participate in their experiments. Trouble is it is actually against the law here in the UK.

Going up against the law can mean death in these circumstances, as the fate of the late and great Helen Duncan testifies. Her last séance was raided by the UK police in about 1954 I think, and she died 2 weeks later from internal injuries. They didn't rough her up, it was the result of having been pulled suddenly from her trance.

Lifebringer

19th March 2013, 13:05

Hi new waker. My own experience of spirit separation occurred during thebreech birth of a child, and death/cardiac arrest for me. I was in the upper corner of the hospital ceiling looking down until they broke her collar bone snatching her out to revive me with the paddles. I was sucked back in and told them about it when I was revived. They were shocked I saw all of what they did.
I pointed to the corner of the room where I was looking, and a girlfriend of mine visiting the baby area, asked the nurse on duty who was there and she told her that I had told them to check with an x-ray, her daughter's collar was fractured... shes said she laughed as she was turning, then got real quiet. When she came to my room, she asked me how I knew about the daughters broken arm? I told her my heart stopped from the stress, and i floated up to the ceiling and watched the birth of my child.

Anyway, that's how I know the spirit lingers under stressful death, because it happens so fast, you don't know you're dead until you look your container/body in the face. Funny thing about me "knowing" the bones that were fractured. I saw them fracture, through the body, on the pelvic bone as she emerged, as if there was no skin on the body and I could peer through to the birth canal.

Guess that is what Christ was talking about when he said: "He knew all, when he returned to Jerusalem, after leaving the desert." He saw the very cells and atoms and functions of the body, in order to heal with the faith, when "disease" had effected the body.

Phoenix1304

19th March 2013, 13:10

Greeting Nutmegger and welcome to Avalon.

There are a heap of books on this subject and you’ve been steered to many of them in this thread and to keep you going for another month or two! I’d add ‘Testament of Light’ by Helen Greaves and one of the pioneers on the subject of NDE, Raymond Moody. (vid below).

In my understanding, ghosts occur when the deceased is energetically tethered to a place due to attachment to material things or some trauma at death when they kind of play out a ‘loop’ over and over until they are somehow released and assisted to ‘move on’. Sometimes it’s because the level of their consciousness at death prevents them from understanding they are dead and they try to ‘ground’ themselves through the living, hence the phenomena of possession. A person that is rendered witless by fear can easily be ‘possessed’ by such entities, so remember the old adage, ‘the only thing to fear is fear itself’. Again, ghosts and hauntings are a massive subject that people spend their entire lives studying. I just wanted to share the distinction I make between ghost and spirit.

Now, spirit as I see it, is that which looks out from behind your eyes and is not your identity but something eternal, something that has always existed and always will, that was before you were born in this incarnation and will be after.

I’ve known outstanding mediums over the years, yet I always questioned their often fantastic evidence because it was not necessarily proof of life after death just because someone could give you the name of a deceased loved one and some deeply personal message. Not proof because they could be reading your energy field and nothing more than that. A kind of telepathy, fascinating in itself but for me, not concrete proof of life after death.

Then this happened:

A 42 year old friend of mine died suddenly from a brain hemorrhage while on holiday with her husband and two young children.

The morning after I heard the news, I was laying in bed and heard her voice, whispering ‘what can I do for you?”. Strange, but true. I had what I thought was an imaginary conversation with my friend while having a little weep. I asked her to give me something for Sean and the kids. Sean was deeply resistant to anything metaphysical, a subject she and I often enjoyed discussions about. I got up and made coffee bringing the conversation to a close with thoughts like ‘I’m imagining all this’.

A few days later someone came into the New Age shop I had at the time and said, ‘will you come to the Spiritualist church tommorrow to support a new medium we have giving a demonstration?’. I agreed because it was the day Jackie was to be buried although any spiritualist will tell you to not expect to communicate with the departed immediately after because they take a while to ‘settle down’.

So the medium starts giving messages and then comes to me and says ‘I have a woman here with short blond hair, quite young, she beat breast cancer and then was struck down suddenly, the head area’. This was Jackie, for sure. Okay, here we go I thought, but is she just reading ‘me’? The medium went on to say a number of personal things about Jackie’s reaction to the afterlife and my spiritual purpose, interesting but nothing verifiable of course. Then she delivered a series of messages that meant absolutely nothing to me, the medium faltered, I asked her to continue as they may be for someone else. She did so.

I won’t list here every little thing as this is already getting long, suffice it to say the last in this list was ‘who is it that had the conversation about hold up stockings?”. I didn’t know, but I wrote it all down to share with Sean. Messages about corn dollies turned out to be a song she sang to the children, all the rest meant something to him too, and that last one left him choked and silent for some minutes until he said ‘we had a conversation about hold up stockings for 20 minutes on the morning she died’.

This convinced me because none of this information was in my ‘field’, none of it meant anything to me, so it wasn’t picked up from me. But it all meant something to him (even so, after all of that he said ‘I’m still not convinced’), but for me she had given me something for Sean and the kids as I asked and also proved to me that for some time at least, the personality survives death. Jackie was talking to me through that medium, I am quite sure of that.

I loved a book called Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda, one of those books that was more of an extraordinary experience than just a good read. In it he describes meeting his master after death and while the master had moved on to a planet for advanced souls where there was no disease, crime etc. even he (a man that could perform miracles on earth) didn’t know what came next only that they moved on from there eventually.

I guess I’d say beware of anyone that purports to know the whole truth about these things, I don’t believe anyone does, the Spiritualists only scratch the surface and ‘truth’ is utterly subjective.

Maybe, in these extraordinary times we are going to discover some greater truths about the holographic nature of the universe and for whose benefit the game of reincarnation is played out and maybe, like in some shamanic traditions learn to find a way out of this endless cycle of suffering and death.

That’s where I am with it all right now. Still seeking, still learning, still maximising what moments of joy I can find in this difficult journey of earthly existence we all endure.

All blessings to you.
Helen

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PathWalker

19th March 2013, 13:14

Thank you for this thread.
This subject is reoccurring time after time. In many different threads and usually the discussion is very emotional and provocative.
This thread is different and the energy is quite soothing, and accepting (which is somewhat unusual).

As for souls existence and reincarnation, scientific proof.
Science is interested in the observed and repetitive phenomena. There are many of those phenomena indicating the existence of reincarnation. Especially in close communities.
The academic scientific establishment is not allowed to delve into the spiritual and mystics. See here: http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/scientificproof/scientificproof1.html
Unlike the secretive warfare scientific establishment.

As for personal belief, many in this thread speak about experience. I had my own. I am not a believer anymore. I am a in the know. It is part of my daily life reality and practice. As gravity and feeding is part of my reality.

As for the required undisputed personal truth there is no such thing. Since every each soul has the free will to select her/his beliefs. The beliefs we chose define our path and reality perception. We tend to reinforce our beliefs with real events interpretations.

In the Law of One teaching http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx, the human asked why we do not have such proof. And the answer was: once there was a scientific proof, this will compromise the people free choice to select their spiritual path.

So the always boring answer, is go inside your intuition and invite the experience you seek into your life.

Youniverse

20th March 2013, 05:49

I am not one that has had any standout paranormal experience in my life. In that sense I have been very bored for much of my life. I've also had many, many blessings and always feel a great sense of gratitude for them. I suppose it was that feeling of boredom with the kind of civilization we have created thus far that brought me to this forum in the first place. Much of my personal experience with the divine has come through a series of synchroncities, inspiration, and insights. So maybe I speak for the majority of folks on Avalon in that respect? I don't know. Since this is a thread on proof of life after death I am getting a bit off topic, sorry. I guess I just wanted to say that for me there has never been one great event that convinced me of life after death. Rather it has been an intuitive knowing throughout my entire life, with lots of very small events that put into words what I've always felt. I've spent a great deal of time finding words that support what I've always felt, only to realize that what I awlays felt was all I needed. Though perhaps one of the surest ways to find proof of the afterlife(short of dying ;)) is to always be open to keep looking. And paradoxically, to know that one does not need to search for proof at all, for you are the proof. The great I Am! The one that notices you noticing yourself.

apokalypse

20th March 2013, 06:25

Dr Micheal Newton book, Destiny of Souls: New Case Studies of Life Between Lives...
https://docs.google.com/gview?url=http://unlockyourminddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/destiny-of-souls-new-case-studies-of-life-between-lives.pdf

Frank Hewitt

20th March 2013, 06:35

I dont want to fill you brian with complicated analogies "wich i have" but i am going to offer you the point of view of the ohsawa`s "supreme judge", one of the laws is that when you go beyond the ultimate yang you enter into the ultimate yin, the poles touch each other, to put it in numbers, lets say that when you are in -9 and you substract 1 you get 9!. For example the dalai lama may seem as the most peaceful and all-loving man but in fact is one of the triggers of the hate to china. So, if we take the moment before death as -9 and death as -1 you will get 9 as i have explained before, that means that when you die, you are born.
I think that between lifetimes there is some sort of travel to an underworld as the tibetians and egyptians say but i cannot say it for sure because i remember too little about my past lifetimes, it will take me a few years to remember...
If you want my other reasons why i believe in reincarnation just send me a message

Carmody

20th March 2013, 07:01

Maunagarjana

20th March 2013, 07:31

I found this e-book helpful when investigating this issue of life after death.

http://www.victorzammit.com/book/4thedition/4thedition.pdf