Ego be Gone, the way to Evolution

[dynamo]

Ego be Gone, the way to Evolution


Uploaded on Jun 10, 2008
Lose your ego and Evolve,
a short explanation of the structure of the ego, and how to get rid of it,
and a short explanation of the Ascension in non-spiritual terms,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFat2gBujoc

[johnf]

I came rushing in here to take advantage of an offer for a product in a spray can
that will solve all the worlds problems, where is it? Weird wording in the title.

[dynamo]

I came rushing in here to take advantage of an offer for a product in a spray can
that will solve all the worlds problems, where is it? Weird wording in the title.
I haven't found a packaged solution yet, Johnf.
I believe the message in the OP was more along the lines of this:
http://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481076_165773753577462_319448885_n.jpg

[Chester]

Pardon my opinion... but anyone that thinks they can get rid of (or anyone has ever succeeded in getting rid of) their ego when incarnating in form is delusional.

The ego loves nothing more than those who incarnate in form, especially in physicality that attempt to do so.

Enjoy discovering this is true.

[Kiforall]

No, don't get rid of it, just show it who's boss!! ;)

[RMorgan]

Well, according to uncle Freud, who was the guy who invented and defined the word Ego, among many other Psychoanalysis terms, conscious awareness resides in the ego.

The ego attempts to mediate between id and reality, and, without the ego, there wouldn´t be any balance balance between primitive drives and reality.

To sum up, without the ego, the id, which is the source of our bodily needs, wants, desires, and impulses, particularly our sexual and aggressive drives, would take over. It wouldn´t be pretty, that´s for sure.

As a side note, the ego itself is just a part of our physiologic structure. It isn´t good or bad; It just is. We all have ego; It doesn´t mean we´re egocentric, selfish or narcissist.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Structural-Iceberg.svg/280px-Structural-Iceberg.svg.png

It´s worth to remember that the personality structure is very delicate. Any imbalances lead to personality disorders, such as Obsessive-compulsive, Schizoid and Borderline disorders.

It´s also worth remembering that if it was ever possible to remove the ego collectively, we would behave just like flockminded bees or birds with no sense of the individual and with no mechanism to censor our animal impulses, in other words, we would become zombies.

What makes two people with almost identical backgrounds live such vastly different lives? Two brothers can be raised in poverty. While one grows up to live on government welfare programs, the second has a flourishing career, owns his own home and drives a sports car.

The difference is not in the environment, the physical attributes or even in the emotional attributes. The real difference in in the perception that these people have of themselves and the meaning that they attached to their life experiences.

It is this consciousness of perception and meaning that make up the Ego Personality.

Ego Personality = Perceptions of Self + Meanings Attached To Life Experiences From The Past.

There´s no individual identity without ego. Are you sure this is what you want? To merge yourself within the flock mentality? To be part of a bees colony with absolutely no perception of the individual self?

Without the ego, there´s no individual personality.

Raf.

[greybeard]

Pardon my opinion... but anyone that thinks they can get rid of (or anyone has ever succeeded in getting rid of) their ego when incarnating in form is delusional.

The ego loves nothing more than those who incarnate in form, especially in physicality that attempt to do so.

Enjoy discovering this is true.

You are of course right--- on enlightenment there is no person left its a state of non duality.
A short description of the ego less state is "Seeing things as they are"
The medical description of ego is valid but quite different from the spiritual one.

For the brave there are 100 pages on going with over 144 thousand visits to the thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.
Many videos-- a lot scientific and some of one's who became aware of Singularity/Unity consciousness or whatever else you care to call it.

Enlightenment is a valid state, testified to over thousands of years--- " The Father and I are One" probably the best known one.

Chris

[RMorgan]

Enlightenment is a valid state, testified to over thousands of years--- " The Father and I are One" probably the best known one.


Hey mate,

Even enlightened people have egos.

Jesus himself had a quite strong ego oriented personality and definitively had a very human side, with anger, pride, jealousy and egocentricity, as shown several times in the Bible.

If there´s any truth to the Bible, Jesus also had his ego oriented moments, that´s for sure.

Being enlightened doesn´t mean the elimination of the ego; It means to achieve balance so one can see things with clarity with the least amount as possible of personal bias.

Anyway, there´s a lot of people in mental hospitals with ego related illnesses, who can´t discern between their reflection in the mirror and a picture of a soccer ball. It´s not something pretty to see.

The new age folks hijacked the term ego and transformed it into a bad thing; It is not a bad thing. It´s just part of structure that defines an individual´s personality.

As always, balance is the key. Eliminating the ego wouldn´t, by any means, help to achieve spiritual, psychological or intellectual balance.

For a mentally healthy person, the ego can be your friend, your enemy or neutral. It will float among these three states most of the times in a balanced fashion. An enlightened person just manages to keep it stuck on the neutral state as much as possible.

Raf.

[greybeard]

Enlightenment is a valid state, testified to over thousands of years--- " The Father and I are One" probably the best known one.


Hey mate,

Even enlightened people have egos.

Jesus himself had a quite strong ego oriented personality and definitively had a very human side, with anger, pride, jealousy and egocentricity, as shown several times in the Bible.

If there´s any truth to the Bible, Jesus also had his ego oriented moments, that´s for sure.

Being enlightened doesn´t mean the elimination of the ego; It means to achieve balance so one can see things with clarity with the least amount as possible of personal bias.

Raf.

Raf thats true, yet this quite subtle.
Its not so much ego but the persona carries on---the likes and dislikes become preferences.
There is no emotional charge if the preference is not met.
Nasargadatta was quite fiery and could give aspirants a hard time---then laugh and joke with them moments later.

Every enlightened sage in form has a different personality however their formless state is the same as every "other" enlightened sage.

The NDE videos that I have listened to say virtually the same things as the enlightened sages say.

It just depends how interested you are in finding out what you are beyond persona, beyond the me story, beyond ego.
As said pages and pages assembled over three years with many contributors much evidence.

or you just go here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

That link is to a thread started by Tim, the only personal account of enlightenment on Avalon--- in my opinion.

Regards Chris

[Chester]

Well, according to uncle Freud, who was the guy who invented and defined the word Ego, among many other Psychoanalysis terms, conscious awareness resides in the ego.

The ego attempts to mediate between id and reality, and, without the ego, there wouldn´t be any balance balance between primitive drives and reality.

To sum up, without the ego, the id, which is the source of our bodily needs, wants, desires, and impulses, particularly our sexual and aggressive drives, would take over. It wouldn´t be pretty, that´s for sure.

As a side note, the ego itself is just a part of our physiologic structure. It isn´t good or bad; It just is. We all have ego; It doesn´t mean we´re egocentric, selfish or narcissist.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Structural-Iceberg.svg/280px-Structural-Iceberg.svg.png

It´s worth to remember that the personality structure is very delicate. Any imbalances lead to personality disorders, such as Obsessive-compulsive, Schizoid and Borderline disorders.

It´s also worth remembering that if it was ever possible to remove the ego collectively, we would behave just like flockminded bees or birds with no sense of the individual and with no mechanism to censor our animal impulses, in other words, we would become zombies.

What makes two people with almost identical backgrounds live such vastly different lives? Two brothers can be raised in poverty. While one grows up to live on government welfare programs, the second has a flourishing career, owns his own home and drives a sports car.

The difference is not in the environment, the physical attributes or even in the emotional attributes. The real difference in in the perception that these people have of themselves and the meaning that they attached to their life experiences.

It is this consciousness of perception and meaning that make up the Ego Personality.

Ego Personality = Perceptions of Self + Meanings Attached To Life Experiences From The Past.

There´s no individual identity without ego. Are you sure this is what you want? To merge yourself within the flock mentality? To be part of a bees colony with absolutely no perception of the individual self?

Without the ego, there´s no individual personality.

Raf.

One of the top 10 posts I ever came across in the Avalon forum... man, am I glad, Raf, that you are here. I hate to be totally alone. - Chester

[johnf]

So called enlightenment is not a state of No ego, it is a state where there is no identification with it.
All normal actions continue, all survival urges are still there, they go along with the body.
By watching various people who have acheived this state I have seen people who are more alive than before, and
seem to lack all self defensiveness etc, they are completely human, can err etc there is just far less tension, underacting/overacting.
One can not lose what is real, and there is such a thing as the real self, the real world.
People who push this no ego thing act in extremes, those who have acheived an acceptance of thier existence act in more balanced ways.
It is too bad that my previous comment wasn't taken with the humor it was intended.

[Chester]

Pardon my opinion... but anyone that thinks they can get rid of (or anyone has ever succeeded in getting rid of) their ego when incarnating in form is delusional.

The ego loves nothing more than those who incarnate in form, especially in physicality that attempt to do so.

Enjoy discovering this is true.

You are of course right--- on enlightenment there is no person left its a state of non duality.
A short description of the ego less state is "Seeing things as they are"
The medical description of ego is valid but quite different from the spiritual one.

For the brave there are 100 pages on going with over 144 thousand visits to the thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.
Many videos-- a lot scientific and some of one's who became aware of Singularity/Unity consciousness or whatever else you care to call it.

Enlightenment is a valid state, testified to over thousands of years--- " The Father and I are One" probably the best known one.

Chris

wow - two back to back precise and completely true posts - some have been suggesting Avalon has been dead lately... appears quite alive to me. I agree Chris with your post. But also, what of me is actually agreeing with your post? Could it be... "my ego?"

If one is able to achieve a state of total, non-dual awareness, it is always the ego that then reflects upon it... this cannot be escaped. So no matter how many pages of verbal exploration are written about the ego and/or about getting rid of it or transcending it, etc. the ego is involved at the end of the day. Cannot be avoided within form.

[RMorgan]

So called enlightenment is not a state of No ego, it is a state where there is no identification with it.
All normal actions continue, all survival urges are still there, they go along with the body.
By watching various people who have acheived this state I have seen people who are more alive than before, and
seem to lack all self defensiveness etc, they are completely human, can err etc there is just far less tension, underacting/overacting.
One can not lose what is real, and there is such a thing as the real self, the real world.
People who push this no ego thing act in extremes, those who have acheived an acceptance of thier existence act in more balanced ways.
It is too bad that my previous comment wasn't taken with the humor it was intended.

Hey mate,

In my opinion, the very idea of being "ego less" is a consequence of defensive mechanisms of the ego itself, possibly created to overcome the guilt imposed by the super-ego with denial or repression of the self.

Raf.

[greybeard]

I can only point to the fact that in the state called enlightenment there is a functioning of persona which interacts completely uniquely from every other persona.
All who point to enlightenment from that state say that it cant be spoken off but it can be pointed to.
Its beyond the mind to get it--mind gets in the way by searching for what is already present as the natural state.
However obstacles are to be removed. Concepts identification with the me story, belief systems etc.
So my friends no one here is incorrect in what they say---
You are already That but not necessarily fully awakened to that state. Im not.
Have a read of Tims thread as it says what I have no direct experience of.
I believe he is coming directly from unity consciousness
Chris

Chris

[Chester]

There is no emotional charge if the preference is not met.
Nasargadatta was quite fiery and could give aspirants a hard time---then laugh and joke with them moments later.

This is the capability that a full blown psychopath has (like myself by the way). Some of us psychopaths choose to live in right, positive relationship with all and the All (like I now do).

[johnf]

This is probably the most amusing subject to discuss in a text format.
Words them selves are not things, they are at best pointers.
There is a strong tendency to build objects in the mind on them, and that is where ego centric behaviors stem from.
The whole purpose whether reading or writing is best kept to looking at ones own creations, and being willing to see through and beyond them. Whenever this occurs, there is often a tendency to smile and laugh.