Are the aliens really demons....?

[AMystic3434]

I think that the aliens are really demons that are coming here from another dimension. That the illuminati are unlocking dimensions for the aliens/demons to come through. They are waiting to unlock the final dimensional doorway to bring Lucifer through. The aliens will appear good at first but they will turn on us. What they really want is our souls. They want to bring our souls back with them to the negative dimension from where they came. I think there will be a pole shift after the ascension which will wipe the demons off the earth but they already know this they just want to take as many souls with them as possible back to there negative dimension.

[seehas]

so whats the difference between aliens and demons?

[Daughter of Time]

I don't believe that all aliens are demons. But I do believe that all demons are aliens. And I do believe that they are after our souls.

Ascension is a nebulous thing for me so I will not comment on that as it seems to mean different things to different people.

What will be in the future is anybody's guess. I don't think anyone has the ultimate truth on that.

[seehas]

maybe we are the "demons" to other dimensions, as above so below

and dont get me wrong but it will be a hard job to explain to a planetary visitor that not all humans are DANGEROUS to interact with.

[Daughter of Time]

so whats the difference between aliens and demons?

To my understanding, angels and demons are both aliens; angels being the benevolent kind that wish to help humanity raise their vibrations and demons being the malevolent kind that wish to spread more chaos and evil so that humans will sink lower and spiral down to the point of losing their souls.

I'm not saying this from a religious point of view because I don't believe much of anything that religion has taught me. I'm saying it from an experiential perspective which may be subjective, but it holds truth for me.

[Star Tsar]

We simply cannot stereotype every being in the infinite cosmos!
Isn't this one of the many problems we have down here?

:flame::bored::yawn:

[RUSirius]

I can only tell you what I've read and what I think, which wouldn't really answer the question about demons and aliens. Its best to see if there is anyone with first hand experience and who is honest.

[Borden]

What's a demon?

Does an 'alien' have to come from another planet?

Who is Lucifer? I mean, have you read the bible? If anything's gonna come through a doorway I can't think of anything more psychotic and rabidly murderous than Jehovah.

As far as I'm concerned all these terms like 'ascension', 'angel', 'demon', etc are so hugely devalued and poisoned that what we have is a sub-culture of people who have fallen for and perpetuate nonsensical whoppers of a magnitude every bit as depressing as those fallen for and perpetuated by the more mainstream beliefs.

Frying pan or fire, it makes no difference in the end. I think the majority of people are predisposed to fall for either one.

[seehas]

We stereotype every being in the infinite cosmos!
Isn't this one of the many problems we have down here?

its hard to turn off sometimes i have to admit, humans get programmed that way and the world around us respells it every day again and again.

sometimes i think i must been drunk when i booked my incarnation on this crazy planet :cool:

[sirdipswitch]

Nope! They ain't Demons.

And nope, they didn't all come here to steal our Souls.

Some have actually come here from other Gallaxies. To help us.

Some, have actually been here on Earth, far longer than we Humans have.

You sound just like my bible thumpin christian Son. ccc. He thinks I'm possessed. ccc.

Aren't ya glad ya woke me up? chuckle chuckle chuckle.

[Borden]

Why do people say 'they' are this or they're that as though they actually know?!

You don't know ... you heard someone tell you. And you've taken it as gospel. And there are 57 Heinz varieties of alien on Earth, and they have stargates, and some are reptilian,and ... aaaaaargh!

This is the same dirty trick for the weak minded that all religions have played on the human race!!! Are people really gonna fall for that again?

[sirdipswitch]

If I had made the OP, I think I would have to rethink my position, after this quick flurry of rebutal.


ccccccccccccc. :wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Why do people say 'they' are this or they're that as though they actually know?!

You don't know ... you heard someone tell you. And you've taken it as gospel. And there are 57 Heinz varieties of alien on Earth, and they have stargates, and some are reptilian,and ... aaaaaargh!

This is the same dirty trick for the weak minded that all religions have played on the human race!!! Are people really gonna fall for that again?



Yep!!! Me too! Agree that is. Just so there ain't no missunderstandin. :wizard:

[Lifebringer]

I agree. Any being in any time dimension, can look at the evolvement of this species and find the most bloodthirsty non compassionate so and so's. And then there's the ones who stood for something back in their day, when they were called. I would like to think that as WE awaken more and more around the world, that those good evolved beings souls and hearts will shine brightly in the darkest corners, to outweigh the other.

[RUSirius]

Nope! They ain't Demons.

And nope, they didn't all come here to steal our Souls.

Some have actually come here from other Gallaxies. To help us.

Some, have actually been here on Earth, far longer than we Humans have.

You sound just like my bible thumpin christian Son. ccc. He thinks I'm possessed. ccc.

Aren't ya glad ya woke me up? chuckle chuckle chuckle.

Hmmmm, sounds like first hand experience to me my friend, you heard the call.

[Violet]

so whats the difference between aliens and demons?

In all honesty, I refrain from any absolute statements about aliens until the day I encounter one. Since I hope to be able to have the calm to just be my friendly human self, I'd expect the alien to return at least the same friendliness.

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Nope! They ain't Demons.

And nope, they didn't all come here to steal our Souls.

Some have actually come here from other Gallaxies. To help us.

Some, have actually been here on Earth, far longer than we Humans have.

You sound just like my bible thumpin christian Son. ccc. He thinks I'm possessed. ccc.

Aren't ya glad ya woke me up? chuckle chuckle chuckle.

I once heard the muslims say that a species was created before the humans...Don't remember how that story ended though.

[Finefeather]

Why do people say 'they' are this or they're that as though they actually know?!
The truth of the matter is that some people do know, but telling someone something does not make it true for them...we all need to find out for ourselves...that's the fun part ;)
Never too early to start now, and find out yourself.

[RUSirius]

Why do people say 'they' are this or they're that as though they actually know?!
The truth of the matter is that some people do know, but telling someone something does not make it true for them...we all need to find out for ourselves...that's the fun part ;)
Never too early to start now, and find out yourself.

Well said, just because "one" "knows" does not mean another "knows" truth to me is an individual ever changing journey.

[Borden]

Why do people say 'they' are this or they're that as though they actually know?!
The truth of the matter is that some people do know, but telling someone something does not make it true for them...we all need to find out for ourselves...that's the fun part ;)
Never too early to start now, and find out yourself.

Do you know?

If you do, and have personal experience that gives you the authority to tell me what you've ascertained from your encounters, I'm all ears, believe me. I mean that genuinely, I'm not being sarcastic.

And I agree with what you say. I'm sure some people do know. But at the same time, I think that certain of the rock stars of the bible also knew ... however, their accounts were experienced and related through the lens of idiot beliefs inculcated and cemented in them. Do you see the problem?

What I was talking about is the hand-me-down mythology of the 'new age', as I'm sure you're aware. Einstein, Tesla, Da Vinci and Newton must have encountered field mice in their time. Did the field mice then have authority with which to speak about those people?

[RMorgan]

Watch this video, then tell me who´s the demon...

Better yet, tell me which intelligent species we´re aware of is proven to show and enjoy demon like behavior since the first moment of its existence.

(warning: not for the faint of heart)

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Now tell me. Can any demon be much worse than humans?

Honestly, tell me one allegedly demon like behavior that we, humans, haven´t done and continue to do time after time? Only one.

Want to look in the face of the devil? Just look in the mirror.

Now, would we have the right to complain if any "superior" alien race came down here and started doing the same things we do to other "inferior" species, to us? Not at all. We, as a race, don´t have the moral authority to do that.

Raf.

PS: As a side note, nice job packing aliens, demons, ascension and pole shift in one single paragraph.

[Borden]

Exactly, Raf. Exactly.

[Wind]

I think that the demons or jinns (djinns) are the same thing as archonic forces which are manipulating us humans to do bad things. They are interdimensional beings and also thought forms... And they are about to be wiped away (hopefully!).

There are also bad aliens and then there are good aliens such as there are good humans and then there are bad humans. All of us are part of the same creation. Could light exist without darkness?

[onawah]

At least there's always another perspective to explore, since the nature of encounters vary so much.
The thread at
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57042-From-my-heart-to-yours-a-request-to-help-a-member-given-6-months-to-live..
offers some narratives about a PA member's encounters
Bright Garlick has a youtube page which may not be up much longer, and he describes his own ET encounters there.
He has been told he has only months to live, so this would be a good time to take a look if you are interested.

[Borden]

Why do you think that, Wind?

Does it appeal to the archetypal forces of your subconscious mind? Is it a good story? Are you someone who has detected the whiff of control and bull**** in the mystery religions? Why are you so quick to fall for another mythos???

Upon what is your belief based? Does it feel nice? Does it make sense of the jangle of polarities within your id? For (insert deity)'s sake! Is this all there is? Are we cattle? (No offense, Paul).

Do you know what a Djinn is? Have you encountered one?

I am perilously close to spilling various things I HAVE encountered and DO know in this place. You know why? Because it appalls me to hear this kind of new age hypno-speak. Good aliens? Bad aliens? Angels? Demons?

I'm reminded of this lyric from someone brilliant:

'Little man dimensionless, don't dare look to the sky,
your brain will sing, your mind will turn, your eyes will pop and fry'.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. And very often the best available option is to push it in, because it's never going to understand a &$*%ing thing you tell it.

[Wind]

Borden,

I'm not sure that what are you asking of me? I sense a hostile tone in your message. Personally I know that malevolent forces exist since I've have had my share of experiences and you know nothing of my torment. I'm still not sure that I would want to believe in such things, but I do...

I've never been religious and I don't really like the word "demon", but I know that there are forces of light and then there are forces of darkness. Names don't matter that much. That's the way how this game has been played for eons now... I guess that it got really boring when there was only love and light in the beginning.

[Borden]

Cowards.

What is this place for?

Yes, well I know full well what you think it's for, but look at you.

If I started to reveal what I'm all about and what I could could tell you, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be all over me like a rash over a whore. That's why I came here. I thought it would be a good thing to do. I learned from an unfortunate early encounter that this wasn't the case. Some people here may think I'm the class clown. You know what I really am?

No. I'm not going to tell you. Suck on it.

I will tell you what I've gleaned though. You're all looking in the wrong place. You want inside info? You want to know who the Anunnaki are? You want the real story? Keep looking. You'll never find it. It isn't something you would understand even if someone were to kindly take your hand and coax you through it.

You are farmed units. Your lives have no meaning. You are supposed to be ignorant, stupid, reactionary chumps. Well done.

Do you honestly think you pose any threat whatsoever to the people who run this world? Wow.

[SilentFeathers]

Cowards.

What is this place for?

Yes, well I know full well what you think it's for, but look at you.

If I started to reveal what I'm all about and what I could could tell you, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be all over me like a rash over a whore. That's why I came here. I thought it would be a good thing to do. I learned from an unfortunate early encounter that this wasn't the case. Some people here may think I'm the class clown. You know what I really am?

No. I'm not going to tell you. Suck on it.

I will tell you what I've gleaned though. You're all looking in the wrong place. You want inside info? You want to know who the Anunnaki are? You want the real story? Keep looking. You'll never find it. It isn't something you would understand even if someone were to kindly take your hand and coax you through it.

You are farmed units. Your lives have no meaning. You are supposed to be ignorant, stupid, reactionary chumps. Well done.

Do you honestly think you pose any threat whatsoever to the people who run this world? Wow.

With that kind of outlook, we are surely doomed, fortunately many of us will not lay down and give up our power regardless of the truth that has yet to be fully determined.

Your words and attitude are subject to questioning as to your motive here on this forum IMO.

[Camilo]

In the early 90's I interacted with extraterrestrials in human bodies (ET walk-inns), and they were all about love for the planet and humanity (an endangered species in the cosmos). They had physical presence on the planet for about 9 years, and left some technologies of consciousness for the awakening of humanity in preparation for the ascension of the planet into a star.

[Borden]

Cowards.

What is this place for?

Yes, well I know full well what you think it's for, but look at you.

If I started to reveal what I'm all about and what I could could tell you, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be all over me like a rash over a whore. That's why I came here. I thought it would be a good thing to do. I learned from an unfortunate early encounter that this wasn't the case. Some people here may think I'm the class clown. You know what I really am?

No. I'm not going to tell you. Suck on it.

I will tell you what I've gleaned though. You're all looking in the wrong place. You want inside info? You want to know who the Anunnaki are? You want the real story? Keep looking. You'll never find it. It isn't something you would understand even if someone were to kindly take your hand and coax you through it.

You are farmed units. Your lives have no meaning. You are supposed to be ignorant, stupid, reactionary chumps. Well done.

Do you honestly think you pose any threat whatsoever to the people who run this world? Wow.

With that kind of outlook, we are surely doomed, fortunately many of us will not lay down and give up our power regardless of the truth that has yet to be fully determined.

Your words and attitude are subject to questioning as to your motive here on this forum IMO.

Hahahaha ...

Those aren't your beliefs!

If you're going to be such an advocate of mindless 'belief', then I'm afraid you count yourself out of any equation that involves lucid human beings.

I am not interested in farm animals. They have my compassion. They do not have my advocacy in debate.

[Freed Fox]

Borden,

I appreciate your outrage, but cannot fully understand it for a few reasons. One is that I'm not aware of your history here, having joined more recently, and I don't have the time to search all of your posts to find the incident(s) you're referring to. I think you would be better served to be less ambiguous. Otherwise it seems as if you are calling every reader a 'coward' and a 'farm animal'. I don't think that is your intention. If I'm wrong, and it is, then by your own admission you're wasting your time.

Again, I don't think outrage is always inappropriate. But when it is applied broadly and indiscriminately, it tends to turn away those who might make good allies.

[AnthonyBacala]

I agree with Wind's above comment. I recently started blogging my experiences. I just posted reflections on my first O.B.E. about 4 years ago. Since then, I have had other encounters with entities, have documented UFO encounters, have had a rare, "old" crystal skull come into our possession, and many other odd incidents. When I got the crystal skull a little over a year ago, I didn't know much about crystals at all, and only a little about the crystal skulls.

I tried meditating with it, and had quite a few interesting encounters at the onset. It was as if I was being given these extreme meditative skills despite my lack of practice in this area of focus. All I had to do was hold it, and center, and I found myself leaving my body, having communications formed with the intelligence within, and feeling rapid acceleration of all perceptions. However, it felt like cheating. I'm not sure what it was, but it just didn't feel right.

One day, I requested for the consciousness within the skull to reveal its name. It was a really wild experience. I was laying down meditating with it when I began to hear a voice speak within my mind. It sounded like a gush of wind swooping through my head as it said Kooooooo Oraaaaaa Araaaaaaaa.

My close friend Ashley, a healer and yoga teacher, warned me early on about working with it. When I began to tell her about some of my experiences she was a little worried. One night, she was awoken in the middle of the night.

Suddenly, despite our distance states apart, this voice entered her mind and scared her awake. It continued to speak its name to her. She said she was extremely pissed that this being was invading her space, and I was (at the time) apologizing for it, and trying to rationalize the behavior.

I began to work with some major researchers in the field of Crystal Skulls and eventually learned of an imaging technique that allowed you to reveal hidden messages with the skulls. Here are a few. Tell me what you see...

Hint: Are these aliens or demons?

[AnthonyBacala]

A couple more.

[RUSirius]

Cowards.

What is this place for?

Yes, well I know full well what you think it's for, but look at you.

If I started to reveal what I'm all about and what I could could tell you, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be all over me like a rash over a whore. That's why I came here. I thought it would be a good thing to do. I learned from an unfortunate early encounter that this wasn't the case. Some people here may think I'm the class clown. You know what I really am?

No. I'm not going to tell you. Suck on it.

I will tell you what I've gleaned though. You're all looking in the wrong place. You want inside info? You want to know who the Anunnaki are? You want the real story? Keep looking. You'll never find it. It isn't something you would understand even if someone were to kindly take your hand and coax you through it.

You are farmed units. Your lives have no meaning. You are supposed to be ignorant, stupid, reactionary chumps. Well done.

Do you honestly think you pose any threat whatsoever to the people who run this world? Wow.

Not really sure who you are addressing here. Maybe you "know" more than most, but you sound pretty pissed off to me, or I could be reading "tone" incorrectly.

[SilentFeathers]

Cowards.

What is this place for?

Yes, well I know full well what you think it's for, but look at you.

If I started to reveal what I'm all about and what I could could tell you, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be all over me like a rash over a whore. That's why I came here. I thought it would be a good thing to do. I learned from an unfortunate early encounter that this wasn't the case. Some people here may think I'm the class clown. You know what I really am?

No. I'm not going to tell you. Suck on it.

I will tell you what I've gleaned though. You're all looking in the wrong place. You want inside info? You want to know who the Anunnaki are? You want the real story? Keep looking. You'll never find it. It isn't something you would understand even if someone were to kindly take your hand and coax you through it.

You are farmed units. Your lives have no meaning. You are supposed to be ignorant, stupid, reactionary chumps. Well done.

Do you honestly think you pose any threat whatsoever to the people who run this world? Wow.

With that kind of outlook, we are surely doomed, fortunately many of us will not lay down and give up our power regardless of the truth that has yet to be fully determined.

Your words and attitude are subject to questioning as to your motive here on this forum IMO.

Hahahaha ...

Those aren't your beliefs!

If you're going to be such an advocate of mindless 'belief', then I'm afraid you count yourself out of any equation that involves lucid human beings.

I am not interested in farm animals. They have my compassion. They do not have my advocacy in debate.

Exactly what are you trying to accomplish then with us mindless farm animals that are so beneath you?

Thinking that I or others here are basically stupid farm animals is quite insulting.....it doesn't make you look very compassinate.

[seehas]

Cowards.

What is this place for?

Yes, well I know full well what you think it's for, but look at you.

If I started to reveal what I'm all about and what I could could tell you, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be all over me like a rash over a whore. That's why I came here. I thought it would be a good thing to do. I learned from an unfortunate early encounter that this wasn't the case. Some people here may think I'm the class clown. You know what I really am?

No. I'm not going to tell you. Suck on it.

I will tell you what I've gleaned though. You're all looking in the wrong place. You want inside info? You want to know who the Anunnaki are? You want the real story? Keep looking. You'll never find it. It isn't something you would understand even if someone were to kindly take your hand and coax you through it.

You are farmed units. Your lives have no meaning. You are supposed to be ignorant, stupid, reactionary chumps. Well done.

Do you honestly think you pose any threat whatsoever to the people who run this world? Wow.

what exactly was the reason for that post? let me guess "EGO" ?

there are plenty of forums out there that are based on that matter, im happy its rare on avalon and most people wish to share something or help eachother.

the way you wrote that lines is how fundamental religions argue that should scare yourself a bit ;)

[AnthonyBacala]

A year later, I realize that, regardless of what consciousness resides in this skull and what its agenda is, I would rather not be a part of it.

Houman's Horus Ra thread brought me some amazing insights, and one book really stood out. It was Dr. Karla Turner's Masquerade of Angels. I realized that aspects of Ted Rice's story matched so many others today in the new age movement.

He realized these demonic entities are parading around as positive forces.

Although I am not affiliated with any religion, I recently saw some interesting youtube docs that brought some new ideas into mind.

Here are a few:

Demonic Alien Agenda Full:
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The Real Story Behind Aliens, Ufos, and Demons :
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Age of Deceit: Fallen Angels and the Nephillim:
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Also, look into the work of Tom Horn and Chris Putnam. They called the Pope's resignation a year ago in their book, Petrus Romanus. They also just finished a book called Exovaticana, looking into the Vatican's relation with UFO disclosure, and the presenting of an "Alien gospel" and cosmic false savior.

Hang through the religious over tones and, like all other information you take in, use utmost discernment. I don't agree with everything in these videos, but it is great to look at things in a different light sometimes.

Somewhere in between both extremes lies the truth.

[DouglasDanger]

Cowards.

What is this place for?

Yes, well I know full well what you think it's for, but look at you.

If I started to reveal what I'm all about and what I could could tell you, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy would be all over me like a rash over a whore. That's why I came here. I thought it would be a good thing to do. I learned from an unfortunate early encounter that this wasn't the case. Some people here may think I'm the class clown. You know what I really am?

No. I'm not going to tell you. Suck on it.

I will tell you what I've gleaned though. You're all looking in the wrong place. You want inside info? You want to know who the Anunnaki are? You want the real story? Keep looking. You'll never find it. It isn't something you would understand even if someone were to kindly take your hand and coax you through it.

You are farmed units. Your lives have no meaning. You are supposed to be ignorant, stupid, reactionary chumps. Well done.

Do you honestly think you pose any threat whatsoever to the people who run this world? Wow.

With that kind of outlook, we are surely doomed, fortunately many of us will not lay down and give up our power regardless of the truth that has yet to be fully determined.

Your words and attitude are subject to questioning as to your motive here on this forum IMO.

Hahahaha ...

Those aren't your beliefs!

If you're going to be such an advocate of mindless 'belief', then I'm afraid you count yourself out of any equation that involves lucid human beings.

I am not interested in farm animals. They have my compassion. They do not have my advocacy in debate.

Exactly what are you trying to accomplish then with us mindless farm animals that are so beneath you?

Thinking that I or others here are basically stupid farm animals is quite insulting.....it doesn't make you look very compassinate.

Don't think he is trying to be compasionate, looks to me like trying to get people motivated using anger, which usually backfires.
But I do see his point, most of the stuff people spew out of thier mouths is indoctrinated hand me down information and less freely thought out personal enlightenments, My cousins cousin girlfriinds uncles experiences that they hear about, or bible/religious quotes about demons and angels.

[Prodigal Son]

Now, would we have the right to complain if any "superior" alien race came down here and started doing the same things we do to other "inferior" species, to us? Not at all. We, as a race, don´t have the moral authority to do that.
I had been eating lobster since I was a teenager... and one day a few years ago when I was married my wife and I cooked 4 live lobsters. It was an experience that truly rattled me and that I never wanted to experience again, and I have not eaten lobster since.

I guess there are times when I manage to BE the change that I want to see in the world.

[Borden]

You people are the lobsters.

Does that answer the various recent questions about my posts?

No?

Well I guess that's tough ****.

It's just got to the point when I see slave mind think regurgitating itself ... that I think enough is enough.

But of course it's never enough. Some people will piss themselves into a black hole in space. And they'll think it's it's from 'from spirit'.

Those people are dead. They're as dead as dead can be. Ask me an another one.

[SilentFeathers]

Ask me an another one.

If we're lobsters and farm animals, what are you?

[Vitalux]

I think that the aliens are really demons that are coming here from another dimension. That the illuminati are unlocking dimensions for the aliens/demons to come through. They are waiting to unlock the final dimensional doorway to bring Lucifer through. The aliens will appear good at first but they will turn on us. What they really want is our souls. They want to bring our souls back with them to the negative dimension from where they came. I think there will be a pole shift after the ascension which will wipe the demons off the earth but they already know this they just want to take as many souls with them as possible back to there negative dimension.


I wonder if the aliens think that we are demons :confused:

After all, we are the ones that are killing each other, letting the poor people starve to death while we the rich eat meat and sleep cozy in our comfortable beds.

Yes, I wonder if the aliens really do think we are demons, after all......so many of us are so quick to point a finger at someone else and proclaim them demons.
Why .....I don't know :noidea:


Ignorance perhaps? :noidea:

[Selene]

Methinks our good member Borden is having a bad day.

S'okay, friend Borden. It happens to us all.

Be well. And a good night's sleep.

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Cheers,

Selene

[Prodigal Son]

Ask me an another one.

If we're lobsters and farm animals, what are you?

Maybe something we could use for constructive purposes... a part of the Hegelian Dialectic...

Devil's Advocate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate)


In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of debate. In taking this position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a much more conventional stance.

[ghostrider]

the large collider is built to open a portal to allow the cosmic boogyman to come into this realm ... the crazy part is the illuminati think they can control a cosmic interdemensional being that feeds on human fear/souls ... their butts are on the line just like everyone else...

[SilentFeathers]

I think that the aliens are really demons that are coming here from another dimension. That the illuminati are unlocking dimensions for the aliens/demons to come through. They are waiting to unlock the final dimensional doorway to bring Lucifer through. The aliens will appear good at first but they will turn on us. What they really want is our souls. They want to bring our souls back with them to the negative dimension from where they came. I think there will be a pole shift after the ascension which will wipe the demons off the earth but they already know this they just want to take as many souls with them as possible back to there negative dimension.


I wonder if the aliens think that we are demons :confused:

After all, we are the ones that are killing each other, letting the poor people starve to death while we the rich eat meat and sleep cozy in our comfortable beds.

Yes, I wonder if the aliens really do think we are demons, after all......so many of us are so quick to point a finger at someone else and proclaim them demons.
Why .....I don't know :noidea:


Ignorance perhaps? :noidea:

Perhaps it's in our DNA....a defect not caused by the serpent, but is the serpent....

We are the garden and the serpent lives inside of us.....hence the battle between good and evil is within each and every one of us, our own evil being projected on to others as we try to live with it daily within ourselves....PS: some handle it better than others of course :)

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[WhiteFeather]

I don't believe that all aliens are demons. But I do believe that all demons are aliens. And I do believe that they are after our souls.

Ascension is a nebulous thing for me so I will not comment on that as it seems to mean different things to different people.

What will be in the future is anybody's guess. I don't think anyone has the ultimate truth on that.

Sometimes I pondered this idea: After Mars was in trouble due to It's Atmospheric Destruction/Planetary Destruction from War etc... the inhabitants of Mars thought of somehow utilizing Planet Earth and Its beings as a soul vehicle/collective for them. Us humans may very well be their experiment. Where did the civilization go from Mars? Did they come here? Were they all destroyed or are they us. I believe Planet Earth may very well be Mars revisited. Just a thought.

[RMorgan]

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I wonder if the aliens think that we are demons :confused:

After all, we are the ones that are killing each other, letting the poor people starve to death while we the rich eat meat and sleep cozy in our comfortable beds.

Yes, I wonder if the aliens really do think we are demons, after all......so many of us are so quick to point a finger at someone else and proclaim them demons.
Why .....I don't know :noidea:


Ignorance perhaps? :noidea:

Mate, you´re probably right.

Man, if we could ask any other animal on this planet if they ever saw the devil, I assure you that their answer would be yes, and then they would point their fingers right to our faces.

Except for the red skin, long tale and horns, we have everything else a demon should have.

Let´s see...What kinds of things there are supposed to happen in hell:

-Every kind of imaginable violence to ourselves and to other animals? Check.
-Every imaginable kinds of torture? Check.
-Every imaginable sorts of murder? Check.
-Every imaginable sorts of crime? Check.
-Slavery? Check.
-Imprisonment? Check.
-Starvation? Check.
-Forced labor? Check.
-All sorts of sexual perversion? Check.

We have all these things on Earth and much more. I could go on and on and on...and who´s responsible for all of this? We are, not the mythical figure of the devil.

If there´s any good ET race up there observing us, I can perfectly understand why they may be reticent about coming down here en mass.

Then the new age folks like to say we´re angels, we´re gods and these sorts of things, and the ETs will come down here to save us...Save us from what? From ourselves? Is that even possible?

Honestly, if the government is in close contact with any ET race, it can´t be a good race, that´s for sure. However, I can´t imagine how any other intelligent race could be any more evil than we already are.

Raf.

[Prodigal Son]

[QUOTE=Daughter of Time;650430]
Sometimes I pondered this idea: After Mars was in trouble due to It's Atmospheric Destruction/Planetary Destruction from War etc... the inhabitants of Mars thought of somehow utilizing Planet Earth and Its beings as a soul vehicle/collective for them. Us humans may very well be their experiment. Where did the civilization go from Mars? Did they come here? Were they all destroyed or are they us. I believe Planet Earth may very well be Mars revisited. Just a thought. Mars was once as beautiful as earth... we destroyed it 100,000 years ago, and we're here to make sure it doesn't happen again. All kinds of beings are rooting for us throughout all the Universe. That's my truth and I'm sticking with it.

[WhiteFeather]

Watch this video, then tell me who´s the demon...

Better yet, tell me which intelligent species we´re aware of is proven to show and enjoy demon like behavior since the first moment of its existence.

(warning: not for the faint of heart)

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Now tell me. Can any demon be much worse than humans?

Honestly, tell me one allegedly demon like behavior that we, humans, haven´t done and continue to do time after time? Only one.

Want to look in the face of the devil? Just look in the mirror.

Now, would we have the right to complain if any "superior" alien race came down here and started doing the same things we do to other "inferior" species, to us? Not at all. We, as a race, don´t have the moral authority to do that.

Raf.

PS: As a side note, nice job packing aliens, demons, ascension and pole shift in one single paragraph.

;) I think You have Nailed It Shut Raf........With this insightful post we could close the thread now,,, perhaps.

[RMorgan]

[QUOTE=Daughter of Time;650430]
Sometimes I pondered this idea: After Mars was in trouble due to It's Atmospheric Destruction/Planetary Destruction from War etc... the inhabitants of Mars thought of somehow utilizing Planet Earth and Its beings as a soul vehicle/collective for them. Us humans may very well be their experiment. Where did the civilization go from Mars? Did they come here? Were they all destroyed or are they us. I believe Planet Earth may very well be Mars revisited. Just a thought. Mars was once as beautiful as earth... we destroyed it 100,000 years ago, and we're here to make sure it doesn't happen again. All kinds of beings are rooting for us throughout all the Universe. That's my truth and I'm sticking with it.

Man, I respect your belief, however, I see no logic in it.

If we´re here to prevent a cataclysmic event on Earth, allegedly similar to what may have happened on Mars, man, I have to tell you; We´re doing a pretty awful job and we should be fired asap.

Looks more like we´re here to make sure it happens again.

Anyway, I understand that beliefs don´t need to be coupled with logic and I respect yours.

Raf.

[Selene]

Raf, your sanity is exemplary.




Mate, you´re probably right.

Man, if we could ask any other animal on this planet if they ever saw the devil, I assure you that their answer would be yes, and then they would point their fingers right to our faces.

Except for the red skin, long tale and horns, we have everything else a demon should have.

Let´s see...What kinds of things there are supposed to happen in hell:

-Every kind of imaginable violence to ourselves and to other animals? Check.
-Every imaginable kinds of torture? Check.
-Every imaginable sorts of murder? Check.
-Every imaginable sorts of crime? Check.
-Slavery? Check.
-Imprisonment? Check.
-Starvation? Check.
-Forced labor? Check.
-All sorts of sexual perversion? Check.

We have all these things on Earth and much more. I could go on and on and on...and who´s responsible for all of this? We are, not the mythical figure of the devil.

If there´s any good ET race up there observing us, I can perfectly understand why they may be reticent about coming down here en mass.

Then the new age folks like to say we´re angels, we´re gods and these sorts of things, and the ETs will come down here to save us...Save us from what? From ourselves? Is that even possible?

Honestly, if the government is in close contact with any ET race, it can´t be a good race, that´s for sure. However, I can´t imagine how any other intelligent race could be any more evil than we already are.

Raf.

Cheers,

Selene

[WhiteFeather]

[QUOTE=Daughter of Time;650430]
Sometimes I pondered this idea: After Mars was in trouble due to It's Atmospheric Destruction/Planetary Destruction from War etc... the inhabitants of Mars thought of somehow utilizing Planet Earth and Its beings as a soul vehicle/collective for them. Us humans may very well be their experiment. Where did the civilization go from Mars? Did they come here? Were they all destroyed or are they us. I believe Planet Earth may very well be Mars revisited. Just a thought. Mars was once as beautiful as earth... we destroyed it 100,000 years ago, and we're here to make sure it doesn't happen again. All kinds of beings are rooting for us throughout all the Universe. That's my truth and I'm sticking with it.

Man, I respect your belief, however, I see no logic in it.

If we´re here to prevent a cataclysmic event on Earth, allegedly similar to what may have happened on Mars, man, I have to tell you; We´re doing an pretty awful job and we should be fired asap.

Looks more like we´re here to make sure it happens again.

Anyway, I understand that beliefs don´t need to be coupled with logic and I respect yours.

Raf.

It's that Dagnabbit Veil that we Martians are sporting on Earth. That was one of the rules we had to abide by when we left Mars to relocate here. Martians are no exception to The Veil rule either. Got Veil!

[Hervé]

Simon Parkes would agree with his Mantid "mum" that humans are not particularly "angelic" in nature...

And from most quarters of this galaxy, the general opinion about this solar system is summarized as:


[...]

Now, the net result of all of this, was to make a 75 million year vacuum. That’s as far as this part of the universe is concerned. You wonder why: “Why don’t… if there are saucers around, why don’t they land on this planet?”

This planet, traditionally, over the various zones and area has an evil reputation. Mutineers and deserters and that sort of thing were often dumped on this planet. They’ll often come here and refuge because they know nobody’s gonna come after them.

This planet is the planet of the evil repute and this sector of the universe has a very evil repute.

[...]

[Selene]

Amer Zo, I can't say I'd blame them.

Cheers,

Selene

[WhiteFeather]

Simon Parkes would agree with his Mantid "mum" that humans are not particularly "angelic" in nature...

And from most quarters of this galaxy, the general opinion about this solar system is summarized as:


[...]

Now, the net result of all of this, was to make a 75 million year vacuum. That’s as far as this part of the universe is concerned. You wonder why: “Why don’t… if there are saucers around, why don’t they land on this planet?”

This planet, traditionally, over the various zones and area has an evil reputation. Mutineers and deserters and that sort of thing were often dumped on this planet. They’ll often come here and refuge because they know nobody’s gonna come after them.

This planet is the planet of the evil repute and this sector of the universe has a very evil repute.

[...]

So Earth Is A Dumping Ground,,,,, Makes Sense. This is exactly what they do when you screw up as a Cop here in NY, they send you to a sh!itty precinct or dumping ground, as we call it. I've been sent to a dump once myself. ;)

[Wind]

This dump requires a lot of cleaning...

[Sidney]

You people are the lobsters.

Does that answer the various recent questions about my posts?

No?

Well I guess that's tough ****.

It's just got to the point when I see slave mind think regurgitating itself ... that I think enough is enough.

But of course it's never enough. Some people will piss themselves into a black hole in space. And they'll think it's it's from 'from spirit'.

Those people are dead. They're as dead as dead can be. Ask me an another one.

Hi Borden,

Never mind. Selene said it better than I could have.

[Prodigal Son]

Oh and I forgot to mention that we also blew up Atlantis. Cayce says most of us were there, I actually believe that. From what I've read it was human consciousness and forgetting its Divine Origin that brought it about. That's the war we are fighting. One candle in pitch black room sheds enough light for others to find their candles.,,, but no amount of darkness can extinguish the light. Our thoughts are light... so let's light em up.

[Prodigal Son]

Man, I respect your belief, however, I see no logic in it.

If we´re here to prevent a cataclysmic event on Earth, allegedly similar to what may have happened on Mars, man, I have to tell you; We´re doing a pretty awful job and we should be fired asap.

Looks more like we´re here to make sure it happens again.

Anyway, I understand that beliefs don´t need to be coupled with logic and I respect yours.

Raf.

Imagine this planet without the Cabal... and if everyone knew the truth. Imagine if we weren't programmed to dance to their tune from birth.

[Vitalux]

Simon Parkes would agree with his Mantid "mum" that humans are not particularly "angelic" in nature...

And from most quarters of this galaxy, the general opinion about this solar system is summarized as:


[...]

Now, the net result of all of this, was to make a 75 million year vacuum. That’s as far as this part of the universe is concerned. You wonder why: “Why don’t… if there are saucers around, why don’t they land on this planet?”

This planet, traditionally, over the various zones and area has an evil reputation. Mutineers and deserters and that sort of thing were often dumped on this planet. They’ll often come here and refuge because they know nobody’s gonna come after them.

This planet is the planet of the evil repute and this sector of the universe has a very evil repute.

[...]

So Earth Is A Dumping Ground,,,,, Makes Sense. This is exactly what they do when you screw up as a Cop here in NY, they send you to a sh!itty precinct or dumping ground, as we call it. I've been sent to a dump once myself. ;)



My friend and fellow Avalonian

All I can tell you is that I love Earth, it is my classroom. It is a wonderful place to come visit and learn from. If it was anything less, would we really experience mortality here?


Let me explain.

I have done ayahuasca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca), and when you come down from a trip like that, you understand just how incredible this place we find ourselves temporarily residing in.
If I ever encounter the entity that created all this,..... I really would like to shake his hand. :tea:

[RMorgan]

Imagine this planet without the Cabal... and if everyone knew the truth. Imagine if we weren't programmed to dance to their tune from birth.

Hi again brother,

I´ll tell one thing about the cabal. They are humans, just like any of us.

You remove one of them and there´s another million people who would gladly take his place. In fact, that´s what most people fight for; To get to the top of the pyramid.

So, I´d say it´s totally unrealistic to believe that if you remove all members of the cabal/elite/tptb, Earth will become paradise. There´s no way it would work.

While you see it as a solution; Other people see it as an opportunity.

Even if you remove them all at once, before you realize it, there would be other people killing themselves replace them.

They are not, even remotely, the root of our problem.

The problem is that the vast majority of humans are corrupt in different degrees and, those who are not corrupted already, are highly susceptible to be anytime in the future.

Temptation is something that we, as a race, are not really good in dealing with.

I´d say that, remaining incorruptible while living in society, is a heck of a challenge; Definitively.

Let me ask you all a question. I expect a completely honest answer:

-Would you swear upon whatever you think it´s sacred, that you, as a human being, are incorruptible? Are you, beyond the shadows of doubt, immune to greed and temptation?

You don´t need to answer it publicly, of course. Just think about it for a moment.

You see, that´s the problem.

The eyes of time have seen many once beautiful people with altruistic ideals and convictions, who, given the right opportunity and circumstances, have transformed themselves into monsters...So many, that I would be long dead before I could write all their names here.

Raf.

[RMorgan]

I´ll give you another thing to think about, a metaphor that summarizes the human condition.

Suppose we inform everyone in the world, simultaneously, that everyone who pick up their phones and dial 666 will instantly earn U$10.000.000,00 in cash, however, as consequence, another person from another country will instantly die.

Tell me; How long it will take until everyone in the world becomes a dead millionaire?

Voilà; You have the whole thing figured out.

The clock´s ticking.

Raf.

[Maunagarjana]

If there is life on other planets, and we go there, that would mean we would be the aliens. So does that mean we're demons? Hmmm....I think Raf is onto something. LOL

BTW, Aliens aren't demons. They're goblin-faeries.

:rolleyes:

[Prodigal Son]

This is a question that is literally as old as the hills... is humanity inherently good or inherently evil?

I think what you're saying Raf is that we need a new attitude. I couldn't agree more. But I think that with an education genuinely designed for human soul growth rather than the Rockefeller curriculum indoctrinating the masses with demonic poison, people would not be the monsters they are in this paradigm that the Cabal created.

What we need is a change in philosophy away from Capitalism and towards Meritocracy. This would be much more harmonious with the Cosmos we live in. No one would be more than 10 times richer than the poorest. There would be a 100% inheritance tax. There would be more than enough wealth to go around because we wouldn't have the top 1 percent siphoning off 80 percent of it. In a world like that being selfish would not be popular. There is nothing we wouldn't be able to accomplish.

Oh and by the way, I do NOT believe the Cabal are human... not yet anyway.

[enfoldedblue]

Svali, who claims to be an ex-illuminati trainer, explains the process required to turn someone into a killer. For me this makes sense. I think that we are naturally empathic and loving, but life conditions that reinforce fear (not feeling like a cherished valued member of a community ....alone, survival of the fittest) lead us to explore some aspects of our personality that are horrific and depraved. We contain it all in potential.


People do not suddenly become killers. It is a learned process to overcome the natural horror of killing other human beings, a process begun in earliest childhood by the Illuminati. You have to FORCE a child to kill.

Here is how it is done (how it was done to me):
[1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the child severely.
[2] Take the child out, and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's neck. The child will cry and refuse.
[3] Put the child into the cage, and shock them until they are dazed and cannot scream any more.
[4] Take the child out, and tell them again to wring the kitten's neck. This time the child will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of the torture. The child will then go into the corner and vomit afterwards, while the adult praises them for "doing such a good job".

This is the first step. The animals get bigger over time, as the child gets older. They will be forced to kill an infant at some point, either a set up or VR, or in reality. They will be taught by age 9 to put together a gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command. They will then practice on realistic manikins. They will then practice on animals. They will then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They will be highly praised if they do well, and tortured if they don't comply.

[RMorgan]

This is a question that is literally as old as the hills... is humanity inherently good or inherently evil?

I think what you're saying Raf is that we need a new attitude. I couldn't agree more. But I think that with an education genuinely designed for human soul growth rather than the Rockefeller curriculum indoctrinating the masses with demonic poison, people would not be the monsters they are in this paradigm that the Cabal created.

What we need is a change in philosophy away from Capitalism and towards Meritocracy. This would be much more harmonious with the Cosmos we live in. No one would be more than 10 times richer than the poorest. There would be a 100% inheritance tax. There would be more than enough wealth to go around because we wouldn't have the top 1 percent siphoning off 80 percent of it. In a world like that being selfish would not be popular. There is nothing we wouldn't be able to accomplish.

Oh and by the way, I do NOT believe the Cabal are human... not yet anyway.

I´ll give you one thing to think about this question if humans are inherently good or inherently evil, my friend.

As children, did we need to be taught how to be nice, or did we need to be taught how to be nasty?

To a kid, nastiness comes natural; Niceness is self-control acquired by education.

Anyway, about meritocracy, I believe it would work only if it was made into a perfect system, otherwise, it wouldn´t.

The free market economy was supposed to be meritocratic, both in its capitalist and socialist variants.

It was supposed to be a market structure in which the distribution and costs of goods and services, along with the structure and hierarchy between capital and consumer goods, were coordinated by supply and demand without external regulation or control by government or monopolies, where, if you´re competent you´re in, if you´re incompetent, you´re out.

Even the democratic electoral system was supposed to be meritocratic; Ideally, a candidate should really be worthy to earn people´s votes.

Now, look what it all has become.

Honestly, and this is just my speculative opinion, we´re not quite there as a species, not as homo sapiens...Who knows, maybe the next homo whatever will do it. We´re certainly a better species than the homo neanderthalensis, but we´re still too primitive and still carry a lot of primate impulses; Maybe the next species will cut off the remaining animalistic ties, if we don´t disrupt evolution by extinguishing our own species first, of course.

Raf.

[Hervé]

[...]

They are not, even remotely, the root of our problem.

The problem is that the vast majority of humans are corrupt in different degrees and, those who are not corrupted already, are highly susceptible to be anytime in the future.

Temptation is something that we, as a race, are not really good in dealing with.

I´d say that, remaining incorruptible while living in society, is a heck of a challenge; Definitively.

[...]

Raf.


Yep... unfortunately, Raf, you are about 99% right... and when appeal to greed fails to yield its expected results, then blackmail and threats are resorted to (see John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man")


Agents of the world's elite have been long engaged in a war on the populace of Earth. Greed is the motivation for this war, a greed so pervasive that it encompasses the planet and all of the beings on it, but in recent times a philosophy has been used to justify that greed. It is the philosophy of mass control, that ultimately aims at dictating every aspect of human life - even remolding man's perception of reality and himself. [Jim Keith, Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness]Now, the reason why Earth and this solar system became a dumping ground for the galactic "riff-raff" is because it was the target of an engineered catastrophe that turned it into a planet as bald as a billiard ball. Prior to that, it was a prized R&R resort for galactic vacationers... you know... that beautiful garden of Eden, etc... the kind of galactic Club-Med depicted in "The Fifth Element."

With that catastrophe, a mega-monster implanting of the souls inhabiting earth took place; done by "humans" onto other "humans."

Thanks to that implant containing everything and the kitchen sink, i.e religions, devils, angels, etc... the implanted souls started creating the very content of that implant within the astral realm before biological bodies were, once more, able to survive on the devastated planet.

Hadn't it been for that implant, "school" Earth would have been successful way, way back, to re-acquaint the traumatized beings with life and living. Instead, we have the vicious cycle of the abused perpetuating the abuser's actions by re-enacting and inflicting that same abuse onto others... ad eternam and ad infinitum. That is, humans onto humans.


[...]

Although it’s a fairly simple implant but it was quite effective in lousing people up because it interrupted them from creating what they would have created and took away what mock-ups that he did have and it stop the cycle and it put something there that is unwanted and so when they tried to create, they created it [the “unwanted”]. They fixed his attention by “protest.”

[...]

After this, however, about the remainder of the 36 days, which is the bulk of it, is taken up with a 3D, super colossal motion picture which has to do with “God,” the Devil, Space Opera, etc.

[...]

The entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil and all of these sorts of things, that is all part of R6. Practically anything you can think of, all modern theatres in actual fact are built with the exact symbols shown [???] in R6.

[...]

What this is really designed to do is to make the individual cease and desist from creation and to knock off over-population. [...] For instance, you find people who are totally obsessed with sex with children, well, that is taught in R6. Nice guys.

[...]

About, well, relatively, we are almost in modern times -- 20 million years ago, something like that – somebody started a body line on the planet; it gradually worked through various areas of barbarism and once more, R6 tailored made it to be nothing but a caveman civilization.


[...]


Somebody, somewhere on this planet -- back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6. I don’t know how they found it, either by watching madmen or something, but since that time, they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity.

[...]

The whole population of the planet responds like a clock to R6 symbols: they respond to nothing else. They do not respond to reason, they only respond to R6 symbols. So, you occupy the wrong symbol and people begin to think of you as a person who is going to save the planet. Then, one and all are more or less under orders to swatter you.

Well, they booby-trapped it, they booby-trapped it very badly.

The Catholic church, somewhere along the line, through watching the dramatizations of people, picked up some little fragments of R6 and they make it look like it’s continued forward into present time.

[...]

Now, that is peculiar and only to this planet and to this confederation. There have been other implants of various kind and sizes but this is probably one of the longest, most violent and wildest implant in this sector of the universe.

[...]


As Steve Richards puts it, one is bound to repeat the past in a "new" cycle unless that past is unfolded. That cycle, we are headed to repeat, has already happened in the past with the destruction of Lemuria and Atlantis... there are enough nuclear weapons wandering around for an exact repeat.

When one looks around at what is being re-enacted/dramatized and compare it to such an implant blue-print particularly in the area of overpopulation, the similarities are staggering: tribes selling their conquered rivals to the slave traders... nations exporting their criminals and unwanted to "open" new countries... the advice to the Greeks, way back when they faced population problem in their cities, was, for the men, to find themselves a young athl... errr... boy, etc.

And so, now the advice is something like: "Why don't you ascend in that nuclear explosion's flash of white light like you did once... upon a time.

[onawah]

Methinks our good member Borden is having a bad day.

S'okay, friend Borden. It happens to us all.

Be well. And a good night's sleep.


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Cheers,

Selene

Hoping tomorrow's a better day, Borden.

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[Chester]

I think that the demons or jinns (djinns) are the same thing as archonic forces which are manipulating us humans to do bad things. They are interdimensional beings and also thought forms... And they are about to be wiped away (hopefully!).

There are also bad aliens and then there are good aliens such as there are good humans and then there are bad humans. All of us are part of the same creation. Could light exist without darkness?

I think "archontic forces" I have encounter may simply be "directed energy" weapons "someone" or "something" uses on the feeble human minds (like mine) to get me (and others) to think the voices in my head (and in the heads of others) are "god" or "demons" or "aliens."

Can't speak for anyone else though.

Funny too that ever since I started to think this... "the voices" went away.

Funny too that I seem to run a pretty well organized, high impact, dynamic life now.

I wonder if there's any correlations there?

[Daughter of Time]

[QUOTE=Daughter of Time;650430]
Sometimes I pondered this idea: After Mars was in trouble due to It's Atmospheric Destruction/Planetary Destruction from War etc... the inhabitants of Mars thought of somehow utilizing Planet Earth and Its beings as a soul vehicle/collective for them. Us humans may very well be their experiment. Where did the civilization go from Mars? Did they come here? Were they all destroyed or are they us. I believe Planet Earth may very well be Mars revisited. Just a thought. Mars was once as beautiful as earth... we destroyed it 100,000 years ago, and we're here to make sure it doesn't happen again. All kinds of beings are rooting for us throughout all the Universe. That's my truth and I'm sticking with it.

For the record:

Although the above quote sounds like something I would say, and I do agree with the fact that I've pondered the above thoughts about Mars, I do not wish to take credit for the post because it is not my post. Somehow it got mingled during the reply. The above post about Mars is from WhiteFeather, not from me. Thank you WhiteFeather, I do ponder the same thing.

[Youniverse]

I think that the aliens are really demons that are coming here from another dimension. That the illuminati are unlocking dimensions for the aliens/demons to come through. They are waiting to unlock the final dimensional doorway to bring Lucifer through. The aliens will appear good at first but they will turn on us. What they really want is our souls. They want to bring our souls back with them to the negative dimension from where they came. I think there will be a pole shift after the ascension which will wipe the demons off the earth but they already know this they just want to take as many souls with them as possible back to there negative dimension.

Take a long and close look at what WE have done on this planet. We have been the demons haven't we?

[Mulder]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.

[Andrew]

You guys will argue over this stuff til your blue in the face and still not get anywhere tbh, that is clear. Its the perfect distraction. There is OBE threads and you Demon chasers are never in them learning the one thing to find whether they exist or not and yet the OBE veterans keep telling you to stop chasing your tails and you never listen... and the Boss is never in them but promotes all the invisible bogey man threads, more and more people are going to get fed up with this charade. Always waiting for something that never comes...
and showing videos of cooks chopping up live fish and saying there Demonic is so immature... I used to hunt when I was younger and kill live rabbits doesn't mean im possessed omg, I don't hunt anymore because I decided not to, not because a priest exorcised me.

[Star Tsar]

A more pertinent question to my mind is why are we Earthlings being kept apart from the other races?
Are we in quarantine for a particular reason?
Is this from our end or theirs?
This is the very thing which make us vulnerable we have no true idea whom to avoid & embrace!

:confused::eek::ohwell:

[sheme]

Warning what you put in you become, 10 minutes well spent, The definitive answer----------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DNca38AazZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DVdmA3e8g-0#!

[Finefeather]

A more pertinent question to my mind is why are we Earthlings being kept apart from the other races?
Are we in quarantine for a particular reason?
Is this from our end or theirs?
This is the very thing which make us vulnerable we have no true idea whom to avoid & embrace!

:confused::eek::ohwell:
Easy one to answer :)
We watch to many star wars movies...so we think life works like that.
Nothing but our ignorance keeps us from the truth...
We place ourselves in our own quarantine...there is nothing holding anyone from knowing...anything.
We should recognise our own ignorance and embrace the power and beauty we all are.

Take care and remember to think before you speak...you will be amazed how much you really know, if you just take the time to answer your own questions...if your answer leads you to pain and suffering, you got it wrong...if your answer leads you to joy and peace and love, you got it...right between the goal posts.
Ray

[Finefeather]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.
I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs.

What I can offer is that there is no such thing as a fallen angel...this is a misinterpreted concept created out of ignorance of the writings from which it was gleaned.
The real meaning is to do with falling down into the lower realms...every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.
We are all Immortal Spiritual Beings...including the, so called, 'demons'...who have chosen to 'fall' into the physical realm to acquire a higher and deeper understanding of the nature of consciousness.
Some just get caught deeper into the darkness than others and need more time to find their way out...next time you see a demon...be sure to offer him a helping hand...:)
Nothing sinister here...just an opportunity to be of service.
Take care and much love
Ray

[Chester]

[...]

They are not, even remotely, the root of our problem.

The problem is that the vast majority of humans are corrupt in different degrees and, those who are not corrupted already, are highly susceptible to be anytime in the future.

Temptation is something that we, as a race, are not really good in dealing with.

I´d say that, remaining incorruptible while living in society, is a heck of a challenge; Definitively.

[...]

Raf.


Yep... unfortunately, Raf, you are about 99% right... and when appeal to greed fails to yield its expected results, then blackmail and threats are resorted to (see John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man")


Agents of the world's elite have been long engaged in a war on the populace of Earth. Greed is the motivation for this war, a greed so pervasive that it encompasses the planet and all of the beings on it, but in recent times a philosophy has been used to justify that greed. It is the philosophy of mass control, that ultimately aims at dictating every aspect of human life - even remolding man's perception of reality and himself. [Jim Keith, Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness]Now, the reason why Earth and this solar system became a dumping ground for the galactic "riff-raff" is because it was the target of an engineered catastrophe that turned it into a planet as bald as a billiard ball. Prior to that, it was a prized R&R resort for galactic vacationers... you know... that beautiful garden of Eden, etc... the kind of galactic Club-Med depicted in "The Fifth Element."

With that catastrophe, a mega-monster implanting of the souls inhabiting earth took place; done by "humans" onto other "humans."

Thanks to that implant containing everything and the kitchen sink, i.e religions, devils, angels, etc... the implanted souls started creating the very content of that implant within the astral realm before biological bodies were, once more, able to survive on the devastated planet.

Hadn't it been for that implant, "school" Earth would have been successful way, way back, to re-acquaint the traumatized beings with life and living. Instead, we have the vicious cycle of the abused perpetuating the abuser's actions by re-enacting and inflicting that same abuse onto others... ad eternam and ad infinitum. That is, humans onto humans.


[...]

Although it’s a fairly simple implant but it was quite effective in lousing people up because it interrupted them from creating what they would have created and took away what mock-ups that he did have and it stop the cycle and it put something there that is unwanted and so when they tried to create, they created it [the “unwanted”]. They fixed his attention by “protest.”

[...]

After this, however, about the remainder of the 36 days, which is the bulk of it, is taken up with a 3D, super colossal motion picture which has to do with “God,” the Devil, Space Opera, etc.

[...]

The entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil and all of these sorts of things, that is all part of R6. Practically anything you can think of, all modern theatres in actual fact are built with the exact symbols shown [???] in R6.

[...]

What this is really designed to do is to make the individual cease and desist from creation and to knock off over-population. [...] For instance, you find people who are totally obsessed with sex with children, well, that is taught in R6. Nice guys.

[...]

About, well, relatively, we are almost in modern times -- 20 million years ago, something like that – somebody started a body line on the planet; it gradually worked through various areas of barbarism and once more, R6 tailored made it to be nothing but a caveman civilization.


[...]


Somebody, somewhere on this planet -- back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6. I don’t know how they found it, either by watching madmen or something, but since that time, they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity.

[...]

The whole population of the planet responds like a clock to R6 symbols: they respond to nothing else. They do not respond to reason, they only respond to R6 symbols. So, you occupy the wrong symbol and people begin to think of you as a person who is going to save the planet. Then, one and all are more or less under orders to swatter you.

Well, they booby-trapped it, they booby-trapped it very badly.

The Catholic church, somewhere along the line, through watching the dramatizations of people, picked up some little fragments of R6 and they make it look like it’s continued forward into present time.

[...]

Now, that is peculiar and only to this planet and to this confederation. There have been other implants of various kind and sizes but this is probably one of the longest, most violent and wildest implant in this sector of the universe.

[...]


As Steve Richards puts it, one is bound to repeat the past in a "new" cycle unless that past is unfolded. That cycle, we are headed to repeat, has already happened in the past with the destruction of Lemuria and Atlantis... there are enough nuclear weapons wandering around for an exact repeat.

When one looks around at what is being re-enacted/dramatized and compare it to such an implant blue-print particularly in the area of overpopulation, the similarities are staggering: tribes selling their conquered rivals to the slave traders... nations exporting their criminals and unwanted to "open" new countries... the advice to the Greeks, way back when they faced population problem in their cities, was, for the men, to find themselves a young athl... errr... boy, etc.

And so, now the advice is something like: "Why don't you ascend in that nuclear explosion's flash of white light like you did once... upon a time.

The more I circle your posts, Amzer Zo... like a hungry bird looking for more food to chew on, I find the circles getting smaller and I find the view of the target becoming clearer and clearer.

Now, I have no idea at all whatsoever in this tiny iceberg tip of my "conscious" overall consciousness, what is actually true or what is just my massive fantasy or what is my drive to adopt someone else's fantasy but under the water line I can feel the thawing... I can feel it.

This rat I am starting to smell, smells much like the one you point out (which has been pointed out by LRH).

Thank You (again) Amzer Zo for your posts.

Note: I have been working through "Self Analysis" but in being honest, that I am required to go through all this mechanical part "without a human guide" is proving to be a tough one me. I assume that is also part of the implant? Resistance?

But I can feel the war inside. And thus I can understand how war manifests in humanity. And I can clearly see how this manifestation almost has to result in a planet-wide, total destruction of our physical selves (again).

"god" gets what "god" wants. Don't "we" just love God?

What a nasty bugger this R6.

Anyways, also... I have been preparing a list of questions for you that, when I have them completed and posted, I hope you will answer. These questions involve this "soul" business and "us before this time in this sector of this galaxy" and perhaps us (or "me"/"you"/"them") before time (if there was such a "time").

Chester

[RUSirius]

Thank you to you all who give very "grounded" "solid" insights to this "aliens" and "demons" thread. In short, having no conscious memories of any encounters with beings outside of the human kind, this is what I think, taking every persons points. I think if there are "demons" it is just a title for certain aliens, aliens and demons would be synonymous, if they do indeed exist, I would ration they do exist. I must say however that the only "demonic" behavior I have witnessed, has come from humans and humans alone, this may not be true, but it is all I have witnessed, unless "they" look like us, and are so many in number that we are all fooled, I cant say. When I see atrocities, and since I am human (I think) and say to myself, I could never do these, so are these behaviors "non-human" traits, or just psychopathic human behaviors. In my current state, I do not know, I can just generate opinions, which does not prove anything.

[SilentFeathers]

Is evil and or demonic behavior so to speak just a part of human nature?


…man differs from the animal by the fact that he is a killer; he the only primate that kills and tortures members of his own species without any reason, either biological or economic, and who feels satisfaction in doing so. It is this biologically non-adaptive and non-phylogenetically programmed "malignant" aggression that constitutes the real problem and the danger to man’s existence as a species...The most ample – and horrifying – documentation for seemingly spontaneous forms of destructiveness are on the record of civilized history. The history of war is a report of ruthless and indiscriminate killing and torture, whose victims were men, women, and children. Many of these occurrences give the impression of orgies of destruction, in which neither conventional nor genuinely moral factors had any inhibitory effect…There is hardly a destructive act human imagination could think of that has not been acted out again and again - Erich Fromm (Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)

I wondered for years why the Egyptians were fixated with cats, mummified 100's of thousands of them. Until one day I watch a cat run up to my bird feeder and jump up and snatch a bird, the cat killed the bird and made sure it was dead and just walked away like nothing happened, leaving the bird there to rot away. Is this cat evil and is demonic behavior a part of its nature? Did the Egyptians notice this "evil" in felines which is why they basically worshiped them?

The nature of the universe is birth, existing for a certain length of time, then death and decay. When an orb/planet crashes in to another planet and destroys it, is the "surviving" planet evil or demonic for "killing" the other planet?

Are angels and demons so to speak two sides of the same coin? One creates and the other destroys, one gives birth and the other kills, one loves, the other hates??????


Two Wolves - A Cherokee Parable

An old Cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life...

"A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.
"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

"One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.

"The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.

"This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather,
"Which wolf will win?"

The old chief simply replied,
"The one you feed."

Author Unknown

We are the God, the good, we are the Devil, the bad, we are the light, we are the darkness.....


　

[Chester]

I am a psychopath and so I believe I have insights about psychpathy that others may not have. Not all psychopaths have to manifest the evil side and I can say with all truth and honesty, I have been a very, very good psychopath for quite a long time now (several years).

"Human nature" is nothing but "human excuse" to me... but what do I know?

We can all exist on this planet in physical form and do so as individuals expressing themselves individually and in relative harmony. We have simply fallen into the habit of loving war and self destruction. We can change (individually) in an instant if we want to. If enough of us did so, I suspect the collective experience would reflect that. But we don't (or at least have not done this so far).

For the most part, I have made this decision not to be at constant war with all and the All. What I mean by "the All" is simply the outer world that manifests to my senses. If I can do this - anyone can.

The more I look closely at the deepest parts of "me" the more I eliminate all the various world views our lovely society imposes and our lovely sisters and brothers present and represent to us where I more and more find the only world view that actually appears to remain is the one which suggests "I" and "us all" on lovely planet Earth at this time are under the residual influence of a massive implant.

LRH appears to have given this implant a name which Amzer Zo points out and is known as R6.

In addition I have not lost sight of the suggestion by Truman Cash there be an implant prior to R6 which he called, "the universal implant." As nasty as this R6 implant happens to be, I am truly hesitant to consider what may be this universal implant but I cannot deny that it seems to have something to do with "chewing."

chewchester the wookiee

[HORIZONS]

I can be the darkness
And I can be the light.
I'd rather live in kindness
And always do what's justly right.
But because of situations
In this world of form,
Sometimes I am the darkness
In the midst of this turbulent storm.

[Gekko]

I´ll give you one thing to think about this question if humans are inherently good or inherently evil, my friend.

As children, did we need to be taught how to be nice, or did we need to be taught how to be nasty?

To a kid, nastiness comes natural; Niceness is self-control acquired by education.

I would disagree here. Education can only provide extra means by which to do 'nice', and even that it often fails to do. It can teach you the consequences of various actions, but intellectual instruction cannot implant the desire to refine your conscience and act by it. That has to come from within - a healthy sense of esteem that makes you want to share your truth and kindness with others, through actions or words.

In most cases, modern education teaches one how to compete and take advantage of one another via corrupt institutions... while wearing a polite smile and a business suit.

What we see then is an obsession with appearances. Public relations. As long as it looks good, or as long as no one else sees it, then the rest doesn't matter. All that matters is the next paycheck.

Consider the context from which you're drawing conclusions.

To a kid, nastiness only comes natural within a nasty environment. Immediately they're exposed to toxic environment, mentally and physically. They learn quickly how to survive. They imitate the behaviors they see around them. When these behaviors become too obvious, they're punished or 'educated' out of them. But since the environment is still toxic, and little motivation has been provided towards anything truly edifying, those behaviors take root again in a more subtle way. Only a sincere and consistent, yet firm guiding hand from a role model can correct this. I don't call that education, I call it love.

As for animals... I think it would be disastrous to cut off our animal selves. In fact, that's partly how we got into this whole mess. Instead of being animals in tune with our surroundings, regulated and enhanced by higher reasoning... we've been cut from our roots, and therefore from each other. A disembodied head doesn't necessarily feel or care when the foot is being stepped on.

We're ashamed of being the dirty, smelly, grubby, wild earth that we came from.

Look, I know that violent chimpanzees are a favored hobby horse for pointing out human weaknesses. But we do have another closest relative in the primate family. Have you ever heard of bonobos?


Observations in the wild indicate that the males among the related common chimpanzee communities are extraordinarily hostile to males from outside the community. Parties of males 'patrol' for the unfortunate neighbouring males that might be travelling alone, and attack those single males, often killing them.[/URL] This does not appear to be the behaviour of bonobo males or females in their own communities, where they seem to prefer sexual contact over violent confrontation with outsiders. In fact, the Japanese scientists who have spent the most time working with wild bonobos describe the species as extraordinarily peaceful, and De Waal has documented how bonobos may often resolve conflicts with sexual contact (hence the "make love, not war" characterization for the species). Between groups, social mingling may occur, in which members of different communities have sex and groom each other, behaviour which is unheard of among common chimpanzees. Conflict is still possible between rival groups of bonobos, but no official scientific reports of it exist. The ranges of bonobos and chimpanzees are separated by the Congo River, with bonobos living to the south of it, and chimpanzees to the north. It has been hypothesised that bonobos are able to live a more peaceful lifestyle in part because of an abundance of nutritious vegetation in their natural habitat, allowing them to travel and forage in large parties.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#cite_note-50"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#cite_note-Economist2010-47)

To me... it isn't the animal that needs cutting off, it's the human we've become that needs reconciliation.

[Finefeather]

I am a psychopath
Hi Chester
Inside every psychopath is a Spiritual Being waiting to be released.
As long as you wake up every morning with this label around your neck you'r probably destined to remain a psychopath.
As long as you keep looking for complicated answers to simple truths, your mind will be busy keeping you from your goal.
I know with absolute surety that you...the real you...is filled with light and love.
Tonight before you nod off...tie a new label around your neck...call it love...and start to move into the world you deserve...the one you belong to...the one you know you are from.
Take care and Love to you
Ray

[RMorgan]

I would disagree here. Education can only provide extra means by which to do 'nice', and even that it often fails to do. It can teach you the consequences of various actions, but intellectual instruction cannot implant the desire to refine your conscience and act by it. That has to come from within - a healthy sense of esteem that makes you want to share your truth and kindness with others, through actions or words.

In most cases, modern education teaches one how to compete and take advantage of one another via corrupt institutions... while wearing a polite smile and a business suit.

What we see then is an obsession with appearances. Public relations. As long as it looks good, or as long as no one else sees it, then the rest doesn't matter. All that matters is the next paycheck.

Consider the context from which you're drawing conclusions.

To a kid, nastiness only comes natural within a nasty environment. Immediately they're exposed to toxic environment, mentally and physically. They learn quickly how to survive. They imitate the behaviors they see around them. When these behaviors become too obvious, they're punished or 'educated' out of them. But since the environment is still toxic, and little motivation has been provided towards anything truly edifying, those behaviors take root again in a more subtle way. Only a sincere and consistent, yet firm guiding hand from a role model can correct this. I don't call that education, I call it love.

Well, I´m not sure about that, my friend.

You know, along history, mankind has developed many different kinds of society, within completely different environments and cultural patterns, in many different periods of history.

All of them was eaten from inside, which leads me to think that, when a bunch of humans get together in large enough numbers to form societies, evil is multiplied.

Slavery, as an example, is something that always was present in human societies. From the most advanced to the most primitive indigenous societies, slavery has always been there.

War, as competition for resources/territory or caused by conflicting cultural mindsets was always present in human societies as far as recorded history goes.

Now, could we blame it all on the environment and circumstances? I don´t think we can. After all, societies were developed under every sorts of environments and circumstances available and none of them ended well.

I know some people will quickly point "Hey, what about the native american indigenous tribes?". Well, they also had wars, some of them held their war prisoners as slaves, some others were cannibals and, with a few exceptions, they didn´t know how to peacefully coexist with other different tribes.

So, it seems to me that humans were always selfish and competitive by nature. As far as I know, we have always preferred the way of selfish competition instead of the way of peaceful sharing coexistence.

Anyway, this debate could go on forever. Different schools of thought always had different opinions about this issue and were never able to share a common conclusion.

My opinion is that humans are naturally selfish, and selfishness is the root of evil.


As for animals... I think it would be disastrous to cut off our animal selves. In fact, that's partly how we got into this whole mess. Instead of being animals in tune with our surroundings, regulated and enhanced by higher reasoning... we've been cut from our roots, and therefore from each other. A disembodied head doesn't necessarily feel or care when the foot is being stepped on.


I don´t know about this as well. Probably we´re both right regarding this problem.

Either we find a way to balance our intellectual capabilities with our animalistic primitive impulses or we find a way to eliminate our animal side (not by repression, but by natural evolution).

Our evolution, as we know, is prone to favor the gradual growth of our intellectual skills over our animalistic instincts. So I tend to believe that the next homo species will have even less animal traces than we do.

For now, regarding our current state, the source of our bodily needs, wants, desires, impulses and specially our sexual and aggressive drives is clearly inherited from our primitive ancestors, and the lack of control over such animalistic impulses is the major cause of our current sociological problems.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Finefeather]

Never forget...and this is not easy to accept for some...the human you see today was once an animal in the true sense of the word.
So all the instincts we have are merely those of the animals with some new ones slowly emerging...together with these instincts, which are mainly for survival, comes the cunning to trap and to harvest and kill, and to dominate...all necessary for the continuation of the plan of evolution.
The human today is primarily an animal with an individualized, rational mind, and together, with the past instincts we have become the epitome of potential evil, depending only on the natural instincts and past actions we choose to amplify for our own self serving interests.
The other side of this is the nurturing and protective instinct which fortunately many have chosen to walk by...and this is the female side of the coin...usually...not always.
So the dominant male goes out to war while the nurturing female raises more dominant males to go out to war...the answer lies in our upbringing of our children...but who will teach the grownups?
Take care
Ray

[Borden]

Warning what you put in you become, 10 minutes well spent, The definitive answer----------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DNca38AazZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DVdmA3e8g-0#!

There is no definitive answer!!!

What are you? A human being or a farmed unit!!!

Find the answer for yourself ... not from some other person and their youtube clip.

For God's sake, wake up!

[Borden]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.
I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs.

What I can offer is that there is no such thing as a fallen angel...this is a misinterpreted concept created out of ignorance of the writings from which it was gleaned.
The real meaning is to do with falling down into the lower realms...every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.
We are all Immortal Spiritual Beings...including the, so called, 'demons'...who have chosen to 'fall' into the physical realm to acquire a higher and deeper understanding of the nature of consciousness.
Some just get caught deeper into the darkness than others and need more time to find their way out...next time you see a demon...be sure to offer him a helping hand...:)
Nothing sinister here...just an opportunity to be of service.
Take care and much love
Ray

Thank you for replying.

That is hand-me-down rubbish.

You have latched on to other people's mythologies.

I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that your motives are positive. You people have no idea what you're up against. You would have to elevate your thinking several notches to understand how you're being played.

If you won't decide to be brilliant then you are lost.

[RUSirius]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.
I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs.

What I can offer is that there is no such thing as a fallen angel...this is a misinterpreted concept created out of ignorance of the writings from which it was gleaned.
The real meaning is to do with falling down into the lower realms...every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.
We are all Immortal Spiritual Beings...including the, so called, 'demons'...who have chosen to 'fall' into the physical realm to acquire a higher and deeper understanding of the nature of consciousness.
Some just get caught deeper into the darkness than others and need more time to find their way out...next time you see a demon...be sure to offer him a helping hand...:)
Nothing sinister here...just an opportunity to be of service.
Take care and much love
Ray

If you won't decide to be brilliant then you are lost.

Hi Borden, Jeff here, I think what you wrote here is spot on. I'm not even sure how it applies yet to me, your above sentence should be thought about by all of us. How do we "decide to be brilliant", one must answer that question themselves, it can also be an ever evolving question and answer.

[Prodigal Son]

Borden, you made this comment in post #8 of this thread, and in this sense we think very much alike, especially the parts I have bolded:


What's a demon?

Does an 'alien' have to come from another planet?

Who is Lucifer? I mean, have you read the bible? If anything's gonna come through a doorway I can't think of anything more psychotic and rabidly murderous than Jehovah.

As far as I'm concerned all these terms like 'ascension', 'angel', 'demon', etc are so hugely devalued and poisoned that what we have is a sub-culture of people who have fallen for and perpetuate nonsensical whoppers of a magnitude every bit as depressing as those fallen for and perpetuated by the more mainstream beliefs.

Frying pan or fire, it makes no difference in the end. I think the majority of people are predisposed to fall for either one.

That is a huge amount of insight for one little post. Why not share with us your ideas about what we are up against?

I've read David Icke, I can't imagine anything about what we're up against that would shock me.... so give it to me straight.

[Fred Steeves]

What I can offer is that there is no such thing as a fallen angel...this is a misinterpreted concept created out of ignorance of the writings from which it was gleaned.
The real meaning is to do with falling down into the lower realms...every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.
We are all Immortal Spiritual Beings...including the, so called, 'demons'...who have chosen to 'fall' into the physical realm to acquire a higher and deeper understanding of the nature of consciousness.
Some just get caught deeper into the darkness than others and need more time to find their way out...next time you see a demon...be sure to offer him a helping hand...:)
Nothing sinister here...just an opportunity to be of service.



Thank you for replying.

That is hand-me-down rubbish.

You have latched on to other people's mythologies.

I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that your motives are positive. You people have no idea what you're up against. You would have to elevate your thinking several notches to understand how you're being played.

If you won't decide to be brilliant then you are lost.

Hi Borden, long time no talk to. Certainly not to speak for Ray, but from what I can tell he is speaking of what I call "Universal Courtesy". IMO, we all at some point will stand in the shoes of a "dark one" along this long and winding road. If one hasn't already done so, then one likely will. If a being becomes hopelessly lost and entangled in the darkness, a helping hand offered might just be a sight for sore eyes.

It's not a very popular opinion, but so be it. :)

[AnthonyBacala]

Just posted on my first O.B.E. years ago and discuss aspects of my first encounter with multidimensional "demonic" entities.

http://triplively.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/reflecting-on-my-first-obe-and-its-divine-catalyst/

Excerpt:

Facing the Depths of Darkness

In an instant, the sense of love and warmth was gone. Instead, I was trapped in this void.

Suddenly, as if a pinhole was poked through a blanket, a glowing, electric, deep, dark red (unlike any color I have seen on Earth) started rippling out, moving like a snake. Then, the most demonic figures I have ever seen appeared (which, looking back on it, felt exactly like the presence under the Denver airport—more info to follow in future post).

They began presenting these intricate patterns. I assume this was because of my artistic nature, and that was a manner in which they thought I would “take the bait.”

Empowered by my encounter with these orbs, and the realization of the true nature of my being, I suddenly made the connection. These entities were coming into my life because I had made a contract with them.

Although it was not written, or even known consciously to me, on a subconscious level, I felt as though a part of me was inviting these energies in every time I was committing any of the acts that were keeping me from my Divine path.

I remember bursting out into laughter.

I don’t know why, but it all became so funny to me. With my awareness centered on my true identity as eternal consciousness connected with the Divine, not just this physical vessel, I realized that these beings that were so sinister, yet so entrenched in our lives, stood no chance against the essence of pure love. (And I’m not talking about the superficial love society promotes today!)

With every laugh, I felt my consciousness grow bigger and bigger. I felt the size of a planet. Then, I just continued to radiate love towards these entities, and in a flash, they were gone.

[Borden]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.

Did he? Did Steve Quayle say that? Put me in a room with Steve Quayle.

Do you see the problem?

Maybe I could tell this Steve Quayle person a thing or two.

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I am a psychopath and so I believe I have insights about psychpathy that others may not have. Not all psychopaths have to manifest the evil side and I can say with all truth and honesty, I have been a very, very good psychopath for quite a long time now (several years).

"Human nature" is nothing but "human excuse" to me... but what do I know?

We can all exist on this planet in physical form and do so as individuals expressing themselves individually and in relative harmony. We have simply fallen into the habit of loving war and self destruction. We can change (individually) in an instant if we want to. If enough of us did so, I suspect the collective experience would reflect that. But we don't (or at least have not done this so far).

For the most part, I have made this decision not to be at constant war with all and the All. What I mean by "the All" is simply the outer world that manifests to my senses. If I can do this - anyone can.

The more I look closely at the deepest parts of "me" the more I eliminate all the various world views our lovely society imposes and our lovely sisters and brothers present and represent to us where I more and more find the only world view that actually appears to remain is the one which suggests "I" and "us all" on lovely planet Earth at this time are under the residual influence of a massive implant.

LRH appears to have given this implant a name which Amzer Zo points out and is known as R6.

In addition I have not lost sight of the suggestion by Truman Cash there be an implant prior to R6 which he called, "the universal implant." As nasty as this R6 implant happens to be, I am truly hesitant to consider what may be this universal implant but I cannot deny that it seems to have something to do with "chewing."

chewchester the wookiee

You're not a psychopath

[Borden]

What I can offer is that there is no such thing as a fallen angel...this is a misinterpreted concept created out of ignorance of the writings from which it was gleaned.
The real meaning is to do with falling down into the lower realms...every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.
We are all Immortal Spiritual Beings...including the, so called, 'demons'...who have chosen to 'fall' into the physical realm to acquire a higher and deeper understanding of the nature of consciousness.
Some just get caught deeper into the darkness than others and need more time to find their way out...next time you see a demon...be sure to offer him a helping hand...:)
Nothing sinister here...just an opportunity to be of service.



Thank you for replying.

That is hand-me-down rubbish.

You have latched on to other people's mythologies.

I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that your motives are positive. You people have no idea what you're up against. You would have to elevate your thinking several notches to understand how you're being played.

If you won't decide to be brilliant then you are lost.

Hi Borden, long time no talk to. Certainly not to speak for Ray, but from what I can tell he is speaking of what I call "Universal Courtesy". IMO, we all at some point will stand in the shoes of a "dark one" along this long and winding road. If one hasn't already done so, then one likely will. If a being becomes hopelessly lost and entangled in the darkness, a helping hand offered might just be a sight for sore eyes.

It's not a very popular opinion, but so be it. :)

There is no universal courtesy, Fred. Just as there is no accounting for the acceptance of rabid, loathsome cretins. (No relation here to any posters in this thread, haha).

The poison of this world infects you. You look like the sort of man who wants to know. It's almost interesting that you don't.

[Borden]

Borden, you made this comment in post #8 of this thread, and in this sense we think very much alike, especially the parts I have bolded:


What's a demon?

Does an 'alien' have to come from another planet?

Who is Lucifer? I mean, have you read the bible? If anything's gonna come through a doorway I can't think of anything more psychotic and rabidly murderous than Jehovah.

As far as I'm concerned all these terms like 'ascension', 'angel', 'demon', etc are so hugely devalued and poisoned that what we have is a sub-culture of people who have fallen for and perpetuate nonsensical whoppers of a magnitude every bit as depressing as those fallen for and perpetuated by the more mainstream beliefs.

Frying pan or fire, it makes no difference in the end. I think the majority of people are predisposed to fall for either one.

That is a huge amount of insight for one little post. Why not share with us your ideas about what we are up against?

I've read David Icke, I can't imagine anything about what we're up against that would shock me.... so give it to me straight.

You don't want it straight, trust me. You want it with tonic water and some lime.

You're %*&^eed.

You are a farm animal.

You are a unit.

From birth til death.

Any more questions?

[onawah]

Although it was not written, or even known consciously to me, on a subconscious level, I felt as though a part of me was inviting these energies in every time I was committing any of the acts that were keeping me from my Divine path.

I remember bursting out into laughter.

I don’t know why, but it all became so funny to me. With my awareness centered on my true identity as eternal consciousness connected with the Divine, not just this physical vessel, I realized that these beings that were so sinister, yet so entrenched in our lives, stood no chance against the essence of pure love. (And I’m not talking about the superficial love society promotes today!)

With every laugh, I felt my consciousness grow bigger and bigger. I felt the size of a planet. Then, I just continued to radiate love towards these entities, and in a flash, they were gone.

Laughter has been my refuge in my darkest hours too, Anthony.
It is the best way I know to overcome fear.
I have arrived at the same conclusion: "I felt as though a part of me was inviting these energies in every time I was committing any of the acts that were keeping me from my Divine path."
Whatever past karma may still keep such entities within my own personal orbit, I can keep them at bay as long as I keep making the right choices.
I don't do it all the time, but I'm getting better at it, and it gets easier...
I see from remarks in your blog about 911 and how it affected you, that I had a similar journey post 911, with some periods of deep doubt and despair.
Though I had already been part of the counter culture for a long time, and had a lot of conceptual resources I could fall back on, 911 still threw me for a big, big loop.
I have taken many risks in my life, some of them foolish, one of them leading to a NDE, but almost anything seemed better than conforming and going back to sleep after awakening in the 60s.
Our anthems then were "Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning, just find someone who's turning, and you will come around" and "Love the One You're With", etc.
It was pretty much "any port in a storm" for me and a lot of my peers then, similar to what it is now for a lot of awake young people, I think.
At that time, the mind numbing fog of the 40s and 50s was still like quicksand around us, and the terrors we had to deal with were not the same as today's, but just as insidious in their own way.
I don't envy young people today, but I think time and a cosmos in Shift is on their side.
Now, at this time of life, I don't focus on what is wrong with the world so much, but work more on keeping my little bubble of Light strong around me.
I have found a great community of like-minded souls that are supportive in maintaining a relatively peaceful, healthy island of sanity in the storm.
I think the more awakened people create such bubbles and islands, the faster the darkness in the world will dissipate.

You do what you can do...

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[Fred Steeves]

Well Borden, when you did your little spoof a year ago it was rather cute and amusing. Little edgy gems like the one below rely solely on a stand up comedian's timing and wit, and you certainly had both going at the time.


Outrage.

Shame at how many buffoons in a forum I hold valuable followed blitheringly and disgustingly.

And yes, the Ninja championship.


Borden
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40840-My-name-is-Borden&p=429799#post429799

But now? You're simply embarrassing yourself IMO, and us along with you. This will be the last time I reply to any of your posts.

Fred

[RunningDeer]

I am a psychopath


Hi Chester
I know with absolute surety that you...the real you...is filled with light and love.
Tonight before you nod off...tie a new label around your neck...call it love...and start to move into the world you deserve...the one you belong to...the one you know you are from.
Take care and Love to you
Ray

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/justonewookiee_zps78b311ef.jpg


:wave:

[onawah]

Please be patient with Borden, Fred.
He's just not himself right now, and he will no doubt be very regretful about this when he is again.
Thanks.


Well Borden, when you did your little spoof a year ago it was rather cute and amusing. Little edgy gems like the one below rely solely on a stand up comedian's timing and wit, and you certainly had both going at the time.


Outrage.

Shame at how many buffoons in a forum I hold valuable followed blitheringly and disgustingly.

And yes, the Ninja championship.


Borden
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40840-My-name-is-Borden&p=429799#post429799

But now? You're simply embarrassing yourself IMO, and us along with you. This will be the last time I reply to any of your posts.

Fred

[SilentFeathers]

Please be patient with Borden, Fred.
He's just not himself right now, and he will no doubt be very regretful about this when he is again.
Thanks.


Well Borden, when you did your little spoof a year ago it was rather cute and amusing. Little edgy gems like the one below rely solely on a stand up comedian's timing and wit, and you certainly had both going at the time.


Outrage.

Shame at how many buffoons in a forum I hold valuable followed blitheringly and disgustingly.

And yes, the Ninja championship.


Borden
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40840-My-name-is-Borden&p=429799#post429799

But now? You're simply embarrassing yourself IMO, and us along with you. This will be the last time I reply to any of your posts.

Fred

No disrespect onawah, but how long is a person(s) suppose to tolerate being insulted and belittled? Having a bad day and slipping with a rude/sarcastic comment is one thing, but in this case it's spilled over into a longer period of time than just a day and more than just a few slips of rudeness/insults.

IMO, I can see being extra compassionate and extra patient with a child...is this person a child?

I have bad days too and when I do I don't go around belittling and insulting people here on Avalon or anywhere else....mostly due to the respect I have for the people here.

I suppose it's safer for someone to act like an ass here on this forum......acting this way out in public towards others could result in getting one's teeth knocked out........

[ThePythonicCow]

Well ... looks like if this thread has a useful message, it's getting lost in the noise.

I'm closing it for now (however long "now" is), while I look around.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm closing it for now (however long "now" is), while I look around.
This thread is reopen now, and Borden is enjoying (hopefully) a three day cooling off period :).

[Frank Hewitt]

despite i am not really focused in that area in particular i do have made a little bit of research on that. You can see this movie if you havent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UlQ3N7P3k . I have to say that i am not a christian, in fact my philosophical system is based on george oshawa and lao tse but, as david icke says, knowledge can be used for good or for evil, he talks about the solar logos and the ascended masters as many of us do but that does no necessarily means that we are helping the iluminati. About the portals and all those kinds of stuff i know about the chakras that gaea has, here in mexico we got a lot of energy vortexes of energy, many of which have pyramids and the iluminati have built churches on the like in the pyramid of cholula, i cannot go deeply into that because it is dangerous but going back to the portals, in Argentina there is a fake indigo child called matias de stefano which pragmatically says that there are 10 dimensions and talks about them, he does massive "meditations" in fron of obelisks and pyramids worshiping lucifer and publicly supports the iluminati!, the opening of the portals is related also to the story of saint german, some people say that he imprisioned lucifer in another dimension

[mojo]

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[sheme]

If Demons exist in your vibration you will fight to keep them alive- no matter what the outcome of their survival . I learned to ignore mine by opening the wardrobe door and taking a look over fifty years ago. simple

Here we have a mutual society for the protection of Demons. Sometimes it helps to state the obvious. Light and love for all your dark corners.

[Mulder]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.
I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs...
Take care and much love
Ray
Please listen at 4.30secs for Steve Quayle to say what he thinks demons are. He doesn't elaborate on this very clearly in the rest of the show, if you don't have time to listen to it.

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[Finefeather]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.
I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs...
Take care and much love
Ray
Please listen at 4.30secs for Steve Quayle to say what he thinks demons are. He doesn't elaborate on this very clearly in the rest of the show, if you don't have time to listen to it.

Hi Mulder
Nice to converse with you despite the controversy of the topic. Just off topic for a second... My surname is Mulder...I am Ray Mulder and I notice you are from Ireland...my brother in-law is Irish from Clonmel and they now live in SA. His name is Ian Hetherington...small world :)

I listened to the section you mentioned and my first most strongest impression about him is that he is a deep Christian...now be sure to know that I have no problem with that...
Most staunch Christians believe in Demons and Fallen Angels. This is the fundamental point they use to get you to believe you are in deep trouble and if you do not turn to Jesus or God, you are doomed.
A fear tactic to get you to believe...it's "turn or burn".
Well actually there is some truth in that thinking, hidden in there somewhere, although a little dramatic... Of course there are Demons, they are merely our brothers who have 'fallen' deeper into the evil that exists than others...and we have given them many names, like...Demons and Archons.
There are also other phenomena, like powerful demonic astral created beings who feed off our emotions, greed and fear.
Which ever is the one you might meet is powerless against the power of love...they often are strong because they operate in the heavy dense frequencies...but remember who you are...an immortal Spiritual Being of incredible power and beauty. This old idiom just came to mind..."Sticks and stones may break my bones...but words will never hurt me"...
Take care and much love
Ray

[humanalien]

What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.
I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs.

What I can offer is that there is no such thing as a fallen angel...this is a misinterpreted concept created out of ignorance of the writings from which it was gleaned.
The real meaning is to do with falling down into the lower realms...every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.
We are all Immortal Spiritual Beings...including the, so called, 'demons'...who have chosen to 'fall' into the physical realm to acquire a higher and deeper understanding of the nature of consciousness.
Some just get caught deeper into the darkness than others and need more time to find their way out...next time you see a demon...be sure to offer him a helping hand...:)
Nothing sinister here...just an opportunity to be of service.
Take care and much love
Ray

Thank you for replying.

That is hand-me-down rubbish.

You have latched on to other people's mythologies.

I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that your motives are positive. You people have no idea what you're up against. You would have to elevate your thinking several notches to understand how you're being played.

If you won't decide to be brilliant then you are lost.

If we don't know what we are up against, Do you?
Do you know what we are up against?

[onawah]

Another Avalon Englishman has suggested to me that Borden's remarks may not have been meant as insults, but were taken by us out of context because of the somewhat different way that the English have of expressing themselves.
Looking back over the thread, I can see how that may be the case, and also that it may have devolved from there because of misunderstanding.
Just a tempest in a teapot, in any case, but hopefully worth mentioning, if it will help clear up any misunderstanding.

[music]

every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.

I would have to agree. Why do we feel the need to construct mythologies and cosmologies that disempower us? Why do we seek out this "guru", or sit at the feet of that "teacher", when we ourselves are the very essence we so fervently seek?

[jackovesk]

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[araucaria]

Many people on this thread are objecting to the farmyard description of the human predicament – rightly so in my view. So let’s try something else.

One thing we can all agree upon I think is that we are somewhere that we don’t want to be and can’t find the way out. It is a kind of maze – you have to work on the basis that there is a way out, it is just extremely hard to find – maybe even a passage will have to be forced at some point.

Getting out of a maze on your own is a pretty hopeless task unless you have an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, i.e. a paper trail recording how you got there in the first place.

Getting out as a group becomes easier the larger and the more cohesive the group. If everyone joins hands and moves around together, they themselves become an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, or rather, by covering as much ground as possible, they become an ‘Ariadne’s sweater’ :) Haphazard exploration becomes systematic until someone finds the exit; from that point on, there will be a purposeful movement in the right direction and everyone just follows the crowd.

The herd mentality has its good side, which is why I always object to the use of the word ‘sheeple’. If there is a gap in the shepherd’s fence, chances are he won’t lose just a few animals but the whole flock. Safety in numbers.

This is the difference between everyone feeling lost and everyone knowing they are going to get out. We’re all in this together, and we are all going to get out together.

[northstar]

Please listen at 4.30secs for Steve Quayle to say what he thinks demons are. He doesn't elaborate on this very clearly in the rest of the show, if you don't have time to listen to it.



This is what he said in the Youtube clip: "Most Christians are blind to spritual truth... Nephilim are the fallen angels... The Raphaim are the giants. They are the children of the fallen angels are earth women and the demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants."

I have personally encountered what I call "dark entities" in my shamanic work and in my energy healing practice. I try to avoid using the word "demon" because for some reason it often gets people riled up. I have also encountered alien implants in people. The first time that happened I was shocked because up until that point I didn't really believe in aliens. haha.

What I am going to say now is going to sound very "out there" but I have encountered these beings in my journeys in non-ordinary reality and also in my daily life, wide awake with eyes wide open. Yep. I know it sounds impossible but it happened to me, its my story and I'm sticking to it.

Regarding my encounters with these beings over the years, to this day I remain skeptical. Always at the back of my mind there is a little critical voice saying that perhaps I am just delusional.

But I have many people tell me that what I saw in their energy fields with my clairvoyant sight was accurate. I have also had many people experience significant healings after I removed implants, entities and cords from them in my journeys in non-ordinary reality.

And so back to the original post: are the aliens really demons?
I don't know the answer to that.

All I know is that I have had up close and personal experience with aliens, demons, angels and various other transdimensional beings over the years and so I know they exist.

[music]

Many people on this thread are objecting to the farmyard description of the human predicament – rightly so in my view. So let’s try something else.

One thing we can all agree upon I think is that we are somewhere that we don’t want to be and can’t find the way out. It is a kind of maze – you have to work on the basis that there is a way out, it is just extremely hard to find – maybe even a passage will have to be forced at some point.

Getting out of a maze on your own is a pretty hopeless task unless you have an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, i.e. a paper trail recording how you got there in the first place.

Getting out as a group becomes easier the larger and the more cohesive the group. If everyone joins hands and moves around together, they themselves become an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, or rather, by covering as much ground as possible, they become an ‘Ariadne’s sweater’ :) Haphazard exploration becomes systematic until someone finds the exit; from that point on, there will be a purposeful movement in the right direction and everyone just follows the crowd.

The herd mentality has its good side, which is why I always object to the use of the word ‘sheeple’. If there is a gap in the shepherd’s fence, chances are he won’t lose just a few animals but the whole flock. Safety in numbers.

This is the difference between everyone feeling lost and everyone knowing they are going to get out. We’re all in this together, and we are all going to get out together.

Ariadne, whose name means "most holy" or "entirely pure", represents the feminine principle, and the mythos surrounding the labyrinth, like the myth of St George, is a key to understanding the true trinity and unity consciousness. The Minotaur represents the spirit or magic we have tied to our repressed darkness that must be re-united with the masculine and feminine principles within the heart. The red thread is the thread that binds all together within physical reality.

[Lifebringer]

Not just a pole shift, also a mental higher vibrational injection of love/tolerance for your neighbors, and a test of our ability to rely on Christ when WE ourselves are ignorant of what to do when needed. Sometimes the constant tug at negative speech, thoughts when people rub you the wrong way, and outbursts get hard to battle. All of them have to do with EGO.

The battle goes on for our souls to be worthy and non-judgemental. Everybody is responsible for their own bag of karma, man. Specially designed for them. These that do harm to our planet and innocent children and people are really gonna get it.

[Flash]

I am a psychopath and so I believe I have insights about psychpathy that others may not have. Not all psychopaths have to manifest the evil side and I can say with all truth and honesty, I have been a very, very good psychopath for quite a long time now (several years).

"Human nature" is nothing but "human excuse" to me... but what do I know?

We can all exist on this planet in physical form and do so as individuals expressing themselves individually and in relative harmony. We have simply fallen into the habit of loving war and self destruction. We can change (individually) in an instant if we want to. If enough of us did so, I suspect the collective experience would reflect that. But we don't (or at least have not done this so far).

For the most part, I have made this decision not to be at constant war with all and the All. What I mean by "the All" is simply the outer world that manifests to my senses. If I can do this - anyone can.

The more I look closely at the deepest parts of "me" the more I eliminate all the various world views our lovely society imposes and our lovely sisters and brothers present and represent to us where I more and more find the only world view that actually appears to remain is the one which suggests "I" and "us all" on lovely planet Earth at this time are under the residual influence of a massive implant.

LRH appears to have given this implant a name which Amzer Zo points out and is known as R6.

In addition I have not lost sight of the suggestion by Truman Cash there be an implant prior to R6 which he called, "the universal implant." As nasty as this R6 implant happens to be, I am truly hesitant to consider what may be this universal implant but I cannot deny that it seems to have something to do with "chewing."

chewchester the wookiee

the universal implant may be the belief that we have to come down here in order to experience materiality - the belief that consciousness highlight itself through psychopathy - the belief that we are separated.

Let met offer you my hand Chester.....:p

[araucaria]

The battle goes on for our souls to be worthy and non-judgemental (snip) These that do harm to our planet and innocent children and people are really gonna get it.

I perceive a slight contradiction here (maybe just my perception). The ultimate issue is how we deal with the psychopaths, who are currently described as incurable, or rather can be described as currently incurable. I think ‘really gonna get it’ is not a solution, and may be part of the problem.

If I recall one thing from the Charles saga, it is the demand for some respect for his ‘33’. I don’t think any ideas of retribution are going to get us anywhere. How the universe treats any individual, by complete dissolution or whatever, is not our concern. Our problem in the here and now is the psychopaths. If Chester is being even half-serious in applying the term to himself (and I know he is), then clearly some form of rehabilitation is possible. His case is a great cause for hope. In the meantime though, we need to identify the individuals concerned, and prevent them from ganging up in the positions of power that play havoc with everyone’s lives.

[Finefeather]

But I have many people tell me that what I saw in their energy fields with my clairvoyant sight was accurate. I have also had many people experience significant healings after I removed implants, entities and cords from them in my journeys in non-ordinary reality.

Hi northstar.
What is strange to me, about this statement, is how would these people be able to tell you, the one with the clairvoyant sight, the accuracy of your observation...were they also all clairvoyant?.

Don't we all just love a good science fiction movie? There always has to be the aliens somewhere in the story...who else could it be who is constantly attacking us?
Then we have the old famous one on Avalon...'alien implants'...with tons of evidence and personal testimony...how dare we think that this is not taking place!

If you do indeed have clairvoyant vision, then of cause we should first determine what you think this is, and what in fact are you observing. My involvement with many people with this gift, over 45 years, has indicated much confusion and also a lot of accurate phenomena, based on comparative analysis. In every case, where trained clairvoyants observed people with illnesses and various problems, it was determined that every influence in their lives was either self induced or in very rear cases they had possession entities attached to their auras...although I am separating these possession entities, it does not imply that they are not self induced...they are just in a different category, in my opinion...because there is some rudimentary intelligence going on here. In no cases was it ever possible to determine, what we love to label as 'alien', entities. Of course if we use the word 'alien' as been foreign to ones own body then everything is alien around us...if we are not able to identify it.

Clairvoyance is a gift which should be recognized and trained...because there are some very strange things around us which have always been around and will always be around...they cause no harm unless our curiosity, ignorance and imagination run wild.

IMO there is no such thing as alien implants...yes there are physical implants which are man made...why would an alien want to implant us if they are that advanced?
Most people are living their lives with some form of thought attachment to their auras...I have seen this from the astral side...they are easy to remove and involve the person's will to heal him/her self.
Some people are possessed by very strong thought form entities, which have been around for centuries, feeding off the energy we create like fear, greed, jealousy and carnal sex...conditions which can only be corrected and overcome by a change in lifestyle and thought. One of the most powerful ways of picking up a nice 'demon' in your life is alcoholism and drugs...beware of the great high at the bottom of the whisky bottle, or in the wonderful green green grass of home, if you are not strong enough to protect yourself.
There are many conditions which can manifest the 'demon' in our lives and not one of them is 'alien'...although we fight and lie to ourselves constantly that our condition is a result of some demon or alien...one day we will know.

northstar, if you are experiencing clairvoyance, I would recommend that you join a recognized group with proven integrity. We need people like you to verify and correct the often warped sense of what is going on around us. This ability should be taken seriously and training is essential. Good luck to you.

Take care
Ray

[Hervé]

Implants have gone on for eons since they are as simple as a post hypnotic command/marching order...

Then, subjugating a soul-entrapped being to go haunt so-and-so till the end of time upon being sacrificed to some sort of god(s) and you've got yourself another kind of "demon."

The basics are simple but the creative imagination on how to "use" it is endless...

The crux of the problem resides in answering the question: "How come a being ends up trusting the hypnotist more than itself?"

[northstar]

Hi northstar.
What is strange to me, about this statement, is how would these people be able to tell you, the one with the clairvoyant sight, the accuracy of your observation...were they also all clairvoyant?.

Thanks for your concern Ray. I have been clairvoyant as long as I can remember, and I have been blessed with excellent training and teachers.

Your skepticism is totally OK friend. Trust me, when it comes to skepticism about these matters nobody could be more skeptical than me.

Regarding your question, forgive me for any confusion in the way I wrote it. I do scanning and clearing sessions for people and I literally see stuff with my clairvoyant sight. The information I gather when I am in non-ordinary reality is then afterwards verified by the people for whom I do the session. Many, many times I have seen things and been given information about a person when I am doing a session for them. Information that there is no way I could possibly have known about them. Information that is later verified by the person. Hopefully that will clarify the process.

I mentioned this in the context that I myself remain skeptical about my skills. To me, the objective external verification that I get from the people I work with says something. (what is says, I'm not sure! haha)

Regarding implants, you mention threads, etc. I don't know anything about that. My knowledge of implants is not from rational left brained studies and reading, it is experiential through my shamanic journeys. Trust me, no-one was more shocked than I when I first encountered one in a person I was working on. Unlike my clairvoyant practices for which I have received ample external verification, I have nothing to objectively "prove" that what I see in certain people's energy fields are actually implants. I only have my depth of shamanic journeying experience in non-ordinary reality. Those who resonate with what I am saying will receive the truth of this on an energetic level, and those who come at things from a left-brained perspective will not. And I am totally OK with that.

Peace friend.

[Finefeather]

Regarding implants, ....... Trust me, no-one was more shocked than I when I first encountered one in a person I was working on. Unlike my clairvoyant practices for which I have received ample external verification, I have nothing to objectively "prove" that what I see in certain people's energy fields are actually implants. I only have my depth of shamanic journeying experience in non-ordinary reality. Those who resonate with what I am saying will receive the truth of this on an energetic level, and those who come at things from a left-brained perspective will not. And I am totally OK with that.
Peace friend.
Hi northstar
Thank you for the reply. Please do not get the impression that I reject implants, and am refuting your ability. I have seen them many times from the astral side, I was referring to alien...as in out of this world...implants. I understand that we have different ideas of what we see and deal with in this field. We are all still trying to put the pieces together.

For example...Amzer just posted on hypnotic implantation which is for me a very interesting phenomena. My research into this seems to point clearly that hypnosis is an emotional phenomena. The fact that not everyone can be hypnotized, indicates that a more rational thinker is immune to it, or does not get caught up in the desire to be and do what he is not.

I wish you well and strength in your work and look forward to reading more of your experiences
Take care and love to you
Ray

[Finefeather]

Implants have gone on for eons since they are as simple as a post hypnotic command/marching order...

Then, subjugating a soul-entrapped being to go haunt so-and-so till the end of time upon being sacrificed to some sort of god(s) and you've got yourself another kind of "demon."

The basics are simple but the creative imagination on how to "use" it is endless...

The crux of the problem resides in answering the question: "How come a being ends up trusting the hypnotist more than itself?"
Hi Amzer
This is one of my favorite subjects.
As I mentioned in my post to northstar this appears to me to be an emotional response.
I cannot help thinking that most actors are in a state of hypnosis when doing their part...this is a sort of self imposed hypnotic trance which gives them a high when they play out parts which they desire to be like.
An interesting thing I have observed is the similarity of the parts many actors/actresses play...almost like a little reincarnation inside of a life.
Take care
Ray

[music]

As a musician, I would say when one really gets into playing music, the element of "hypnosis" is there as well, but to be honest, I have always equated this trance-like state where I play "beyond" myself to transcendance.

[Hervé]

Implants have gone on for eons since they are as simple as a post hypnotic command/marching order...

[...]

The crux of the problem resides in answering the question: "How come a being ends up trusting the hypnotist more than itself?"
[...]

As I mentioned in my post to northstar this appears to me to be an emotional response.
[...]

Some more thoughts to feed on, regarding hypnosis, through one of my favorite example:


Cosmic Cointelpro Timeline (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm)

There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:
A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapies to stop bad habits do not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessible to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.


The above experiment has been repeated numerous times and is reproduced here by Derren Brown:



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To me, what the "Third Man in the Room" demonstrates is that hypnosis is not necessarily an emotional response but, rather, a concatenation of small agreements which progressively, by small gradient steps, build one to turn from actual reality to a complete fantasy; whether those gradient steps are designed to bypass rational thinking or emotional beliefs and subsequent reactions.


If the gradient is too high, then it is rejected; if adequate and appropriate, it is integrated as a building block of the intended fantasy.


This gradient of small agreements can be seen as the "Mind Control," propaganda scheme played by the media, MSM or "alternative," through the "ideas" spread by such over the past century.

[Finefeather]

To me, what the "Third Man in the Room" demonstrates is that hypnosis is not necessarily an emotional response but, rather, a concatenation of small agreements which progressively, by small gradient steps, build one to turn from actual reality to a complete fantasy; whether those gradient steps are designed to bypass rational thinking or emotional beliefs and subsequent reactions.


If the gradient is too high, then it is rejected; if adequate and appropriate, it is integrated as a building block of the intended fantasy.


This gradient of small agreements can be seen as the "Mind Control," propaganda scheme played by the media, MSM or "alternative," through the "ideas" spread by such over the past century.
Hi Amzer
Thanks for the post...yes I have seen this before.
I come from a Metaphysical background coupled with my years of OB experience. I tend to look at things metaphysically and then try to prove or substantiate my conclusions by observing OB phenomena around bodies. This has been quite successful in most cases but I have found some anomalies in some instances which does lead me to adjust my view sometimes.

The interesting thing is that hypnosis seems to follow the metaphysics as well as the actual observations I have made with regard to the subtle bodies around us. My conclusion that hypnosis appears to be an emotional response seems to be verified in the case you presented as well...and even your statement seems to point to this as well.

You stated "one to turn from actual reality to a complete fantasy"...this is to me an excellent way of stating the process...and this statement you have made is almost exactly as it appears in the OB state.
The way this works is:
There are 2 levels...or conditions...which determine our accuracy of awareness, which our conscious day to day mind reacts to or is aware of...they are...our emotional state and our mental state.
The mental body never forgets, but it can seem as if it does because our awareness comes from our conscious day to day minds...and this conscious day to day mind can be modified by the middle principle...the emotional state. So the information in our mental body is always present and correct as far as what it currently knows but the emotional body can change the conscious mind's perception of that information.

Now another name for the emotion body is the astral body...and we know that the lower astral world is one of great illusion...it is also the subject of phenomena like alien abduction and archon control and a host of other strange occurrences in our day to day conscious minds. We can read many stories of the results of emotional trauma despite the seeming rationality of a person.

I don't think I should spend more time on this, as it might be off topic, so I'll just conclude and say that if you use this concept...hypnosis is in fact a modification or manipulation of the mental state of a person through the medium of the emotional or astral body of a human...this is why I said that it seems to me to be an emotional response...maybe I should have said...it is an intentional emotional/astral modification of the mental state of a persons normal state of awareness.

You should be able to see from the story in your post that the modification was of the rational mind...the base of his understanding. You cannot modify what is not present...but I also know you can induce illusion by using a persons inner desire... imagination and coaxing techniques...which ever way they do it they are working in the astral plane and the power of thought.

Take care
Ray

[Chester]

If we don't know what we are up against, Do you?
Do you know what we are up against?

My current conclusion, based on the research I have done related to human developed directed energy weapons and mind hijacking technologies, that all the phenomena, including experiences folks have while "astral" are potentially influenced phenomena from 3rd parties who do not necessarily have humanity's best interests at heart though as RMorgan puts it... we might view these relationships as symbiotic (I find this the best view these days).

We only can prove we exist in the physical realm and we can only agree we have dreams which imply a state some relate to as "the astral realm." Some even go so far as to divide all that up into dimensions and even give those dimensions names and/or numbers. But all these realms are sub sets of the non waking state, conscious realm... the dream world.

The experiences in the waking state and the dream state are subject to memory which means that the mind is intimately involved (albeit only in a reflective way and an imaginative way) but therein lies the clue... the common factor containing "the mind."

It is through the mind that some amongst humanity (if not all to some degree) are influenced by other humans and/or other beings and/or other forces.

No one can state their experiences are "real" per say because a.) all is proven to be illusion anyways (surely this is no longer argued amongst Avalonians, is it?) and due to interventions by third parties through our minds what can we be sure of within our illusions are all entirely of our own individual making?

This recent discovery of mine caused a week or so depression, but I am over it now and have decided once again that the secret to happy experience all starts with attitude and thus, my good attitude has risen again!

Have a Great Day all and enjoy your realms of experience to the fullest and don't take anything too seriously.

Chewchester the Rookie Wookiee

[wolfgaze]

I don't believe in the term 'demons'. To me it's nothing more than an archetype that gets tossed around the collective consciousness of humanity and carries with it a connotation of fear - which I find to be detrimental.

I feel that everything is ENERGY. Energy vibrates at different frequencies and I will judge any 'being' or 'entity' whether in physical form or spiritual/etheric form based on the nature of it's energy and the vibe that it emanates. I don't believe in using all encompassing terms like 'demons' that carry with it preconceived emotional associations.

Now onto the term 'aliens'. What does the term 'aliens' signify? Any being/entity that does not originate from Earth? Well we are now exploring space so does that mean that when we encounter intelligent life that we will qualify as 'aliens' ourselves?

I feel it's a certainty that there is and will be intelligent lifeforms in our Universe that have sufficiently developed the technological capabilities to engage in inter-stellar travel and visit/frequent other solar systems. Whether they are 'good' or 'bad', I don't think it would be wise to generalize. Are humans collectively 'good' or 'bad', or do we have different types of members within our own population? I would imagine the same would apply to extra-terrestrial races. Some may be largely benevolent, some may be malevolent. You would need to judge on an individual basis as opposed to guessing or generalizing.

I will say this though. I feel for a civilization to have developed the technological capability to master inter-stellar travel there is a strong likelihood that that civilization would have had to endure a certain level of spiritual growth or evolution of consciousness. The reason I say this is because if technology advances too far ahead of spiritual growth or the level of collective consciousness, then a civilization runs the real risk of destroying itself with its technology. You cannot responsibly possess & utilize advanced energy systems and technology if your population continues to embrace a 'warlike' mentality and is still influenced by carnal-minded 'leaders'.

Could there be inter-dimensional 'beings' or 'entities' visiting our dimension? That is a good question. I can't rule out the possibility. However I would think it would be very difficult for them to endure this dense, low-frequency vibration of our 3rd dimension. Also, I don't think inter-dimensional 'beings' would require craft or ships to navigate our dimension so I'm inclined to feel that such objects are not inter-dimensional in nature but here in physical form (just highly advanced).

:noidea:

[Chester]

I can be the darkness
And I can be the light.
I'd rather live in kindness
And always do what's justly right.
But because of situations
In this world of form,
Sometimes I am the darkness
In the midst of this turbulent storm.

A great post that lives on...

[Casey Claar]

Wow - revitalized after almost a decade, I wonder where everyone is now in their energy. After reading this whole thread I would say this —

If you/we/I am looking at anything other than the self, I am looking at an illusion.

Look at everything through the lens of this idea and watch
all dust fall from your eyes


Casey

[Chester]

Wow - revitalized after almost a decade, I wonder where everyone is now in their energy. After reading this whole thread I would say this —

If you/we/I am looking at anything other than the self, I am looking at an illusion.

Look at everything through the lens of this idea and watch
all dust fall from your eyes


Casey

Few realize the amazing threads in this forum. Bill does... some of the old timers do. I have been going through some of my old documents in which some of them point to posts here. This is why I have come upon some of these old gems.