Cidersomerset
19th March 2013, 15:28
As we have known for a decade the Iraq invasion was based on lies !!
The Neo cons were going to war whatever happened !!
Robin Cook, Dr.Kelly and others were all silenced or ignored !
http://uruknet.info/pic.php?f=6blair_bloody_war_criminal.jpg
'Dodgy Dossier' to Newspaper 'Editor': Tony Blair Re-invents Himself
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47120-Dodgy-Dossier-to-Newspaper-Editor-Tony-Blair-Re-invents-Himself
Tony Blair accused of War Crimes at Leveson By Protestor...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45702-Tony-Blair-accused-of-War-Crimes-at-Leveson-By-Protestor...
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Full documentry on Iplayer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rh8hd/Panorama_The_Spies_Who_Fooled_the_World/
first part posted on U/tube ,i'l look for rest ......
UOsHLA1CMPI
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BBC ONLINE.....
18 March 2013 Last updated at 00:43
Iraq: The spies who fooled the world
By Peter Taylor
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66394000/jpg/_66394437_peter_taylor.jpg
BBC News
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66407000/jpg/_66407080_iraq.jpg
The lies of two Iraqi spies were central to the claim - at the heart of the UK and US
decision to go to war in Iraq - that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
But even before the fighting started, intelligence from highly-placed sources was
available suggesting he did not, Panorama has learned.Six months before the invasion,
the then Prime Minister Tony Blair warned the country about the threat posed by
Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
"The programme is not shut down," he said. "It is up and running now." Mr Blair used
the intelligence on WMD to justify the war.That same day, 24 September 2002, the
government published its controversial dossier on the former Iraqi leader's WMD.
The BBC has learned that two key pieces of intelligence, which could have prevented the
Iraq war, were either dismissed or used selectively.
vid on link....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21786506
Designed for public consumption, it had a personal foreword by Mr Blair, who assured
readers Saddam Hussein had continued to produce WMD "beyond doubt". But, while it
was never mentioned in the dossier, there was doubt. The original intelligence from MI6
and other agencies, on which the dossier was based, was clearly qualified. The
intelligence was, as the Joint Intelligence Committee noted in its original
assessments, "sporadic and patchy" and "remains limited". The exclusion of these
qualifications gave the dossier a certainty that was never warranted.
Intelligence failure
Much of the key intelligence used by Downing Street and the White House was based on
fabrication, wishful thinking and lies. Lord Butler says he was unaware of some
intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have WMD As Gen Sir Mike Jackson, then head
of the British Army, says, "what appeared to be gold in terms of intelligence turned out
to be fool's gold, because it looked like gold, but it wasn't". There was other
intelligence, but it was less alarming. Lord Butler, who after the war, conducted the first
government inquiry into WMD intelligence, says Mr Blair and the intelligence
community "misled themselves". Lord Butler and Sir Mike agree Mr Blair did not lie,
because they say he genuinely believed Saddam Hussein had WMD.
The most notorious spy who fooled the world was the Iraqi defector, Rafid Ahmed Alwan
al-Janabi. His fabrications and lies were a crucial part of the intelligence used to justify
one of the most divisive wars in recent history. And they contributed to one of the
biggest intelligence failures in living memory. He became known as Curveball, the
codename given to him by US intelligence that turned out to be all too appropriate.
Continue reading the main story
“
Start Quote
I thought we'd produced probably the best intelligence that anybody produced in the pre-war period”
End Quote
Bill Murray
Former CIA Paris station head
Mr Janabi arrived as an Iraqi asylum seeker at a German refugee centre in 1999 and
said he was a chemical engineer, thus attracting the attention of the German
intelligence service, the BND. He told them he had seen mobile biological laboratories
mounted on trucks to evade detection. The Germans had doubts about Mr Janabi which
they shared with the Americans and the British. MI6 had doubts too, which they
expressed in a secret cable to the CIA: "Elements of [his] behaviour strike us as typical
of individuals we would normally assess as fabricators [but we are] inclined to believe
that a significant part of [Curveball's] reporting is true."The British decided to stick with
Curveball, as did the Americans. He later admitted being a fabricator and liar.There
appeared to be corroborative intelligence from another spy who fooled the world.
Continue reading the main story
Panorama: Find out more
Peter Taylor presents Panorama: The Spies Who Fooled the World
BBC One, Monday 18 March at 22:35 GMT
Then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer
He was an Iraqi former intelligence officer, called Maj Muhammad Harith, who said it
had been his idea to develop mobile biological laboratories and claimed he had ordered
seven Renault trucks to put them on. He made his way to Jordan and then talked to the
Americans. Muhammad Harith apparently made up his story because he wanted a new
home. His intelligence was dismissed as fabrication 10 months before the war.
MI6 also thought they had further corroboration of Curveball's story, when a trusted
source - codenamed Red River - revealed he had been in touch with a secondary source
who said he had seen fermenters on trucks. But he never claimed the fermenters had
anything to do with biological agents.
After the war, MI6 decided that Red River was unreliable as a source.
Handmade suit
But not all the intelligence was wrong. Information from two highly-placed sources close
to Saddam Hussein was correct. Both said Iraq did not have any active WMD.
The CIA's source was Iraq's foreign minister, Naji Sabri. Tahir Jalil Habbush Al-Tikriti
said Saddam Hussein had no active WMD Former CIA man Bill Murray - then head of the
agency's station in Paris - dealt with him via an intermediary, an Arab journalist, to
whom he gave $200,000 (£132,000) in cash as a down payment.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66394000/jpg/_66394444_tikriti.jpg
He said Naji Sabri "looked like a person of real interest - someone who we really should
be talking to". Murray put together a list of questions to put to the minister, with WMD
at the top.The intermediary met Naji Sabri in New York in September 2002 when he
was about to address the UN - six months before the start of the war and just a week
before the British dossier was published. The intermediary bought the minister a
handmade suit which the minister wore at the UN, a sign Mr Murray took to mean that
Naji Sabri was on board.
Mr Murray says the upshot was intelligence that Saddam Hussein "had some chemical
weapons left over from the early 90s, [and] had taken the stocks and given them to
various tribes that were loyal to him. [He] had intentions to have weapons of mass
destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear - but at that point in time he virtually had
nothing". The CIA insists the intelligence report from the "source" indicated the former
Iraqi president did have WMD programmes because, the agency says, it mentioned
that, "Iraq was currently producing and stockpiling chemical weapons" and "as a last
resort had mobile launchers armed with chemical weapons".
Mr Murray disputes this account.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66394000/jpg/_66394439_bill_murray.jpg
The second highly-placed source was Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush Al-
Tikriti - the jack of diamonds in America's "most wanted" deck of cards which rated
members of Saddam Hussein's government.A senior MI6 officer met him in Jordan in
January 2003 - two months before the war.Bill Murray says the "best intelligence" was
not used It was thought Habbush wanted to negotiate a deal that would stop the
imminent invasion. He also said Saddam Hussein had no active WMD.
Surprisingly, Lord Butler - who says Britons have "every right" to feel misled by their
prime minister - only became aware of the information from Habbush after his report
was published.
"I can't explain that," says Lord Butler.
"This was something which I think our review did miss. But when we asked about it, we
were told that it wasn't a very significant fact, because SIS [MI6] discounted it as
something designed by Saddam to mislead."
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66407000/jpg/_66407085_lordbutler.jpg
Lord Butler says he also knew nothing about the intelligence from Naji Sabri.
Ex-CIA man Bill Murray was not happy with the way the intelligence from these two highly-placed sources had been used.
"I thought we'd produced probably the best intelligence that anybody produced in the
pre-war period, all of which came out - in the long run - to be accurate. The information
was discarded and not used."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21786506
Panorama: The Spies Who Fooled the World, BBC One, Monday 18 March at 22:35 GMT
and then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer.
======================================================
Suicide riddle of weapons expert who worked with David Kelly: Read more: http..
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The Neo cons were going to war whatever happened !!
Robin Cook, Dr.Kelly and others were all silenced or ignored !
http://uruknet.info/pic.php?f=6blair_bloody_war_criminal.jpg
'Dodgy Dossier' to Newspaper 'Editor': Tony Blair Re-invents Himself
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47120-Dodgy-Dossier-to-Newspaper-Editor-Tony-Blair-Re-invents-Himself
Tony Blair accused of War Crimes at Leveson By Protestor...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45702-Tony-Blair-accused-of-War-Crimes-at-Leveson-By-Protestor...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Full documentry on Iplayer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rh8hd/Panorama_The_Spies_Who_Fooled_the_World/
first part posted on U/tube ,i'l look for rest ......
UOsHLA1CMPI
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BBC ONLINE.....
18 March 2013 Last updated at 00:43
Iraq: The spies who fooled the world
By Peter Taylor
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66394000/jpg/_66394437_peter_taylor.jpg
BBC News
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66407000/jpg/_66407080_iraq.jpg
The lies of two Iraqi spies were central to the claim - at the heart of the UK and US
decision to go to war in Iraq - that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
But even before the fighting started, intelligence from highly-placed sources was
available suggesting he did not, Panorama has learned.Six months before the invasion,
the then Prime Minister Tony Blair warned the country about the threat posed by
Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
"The programme is not shut down," he said. "It is up and running now." Mr Blair used
the intelligence on WMD to justify the war.That same day, 24 September 2002, the
government published its controversial dossier on the former Iraqi leader's WMD.
The BBC has learned that two key pieces of intelligence, which could have prevented the
Iraq war, were either dismissed or used selectively.
vid on link....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21786506
Designed for public consumption, it had a personal foreword by Mr Blair, who assured
readers Saddam Hussein had continued to produce WMD "beyond doubt". But, while it
was never mentioned in the dossier, there was doubt. The original intelligence from MI6
and other agencies, on which the dossier was based, was clearly qualified. The
intelligence was, as the Joint Intelligence Committee noted in its original
assessments, "sporadic and patchy" and "remains limited". The exclusion of these
qualifications gave the dossier a certainty that was never warranted.
Intelligence failure
Much of the key intelligence used by Downing Street and the White House was based on
fabrication, wishful thinking and lies. Lord Butler says he was unaware of some
intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have WMD As Gen Sir Mike Jackson, then head
of the British Army, says, "what appeared to be gold in terms of intelligence turned out
to be fool's gold, because it looked like gold, but it wasn't". There was other
intelligence, but it was less alarming. Lord Butler, who after the war, conducted the first
government inquiry into WMD intelligence, says Mr Blair and the intelligence
community "misled themselves". Lord Butler and Sir Mike agree Mr Blair did not lie,
because they say he genuinely believed Saddam Hussein had WMD.
The most notorious spy who fooled the world was the Iraqi defector, Rafid Ahmed Alwan
al-Janabi. His fabrications and lies were a crucial part of the intelligence used to justify
one of the most divisive wars in recent history. And they contributed to one of the
biggest intelligence failures in living memory. He became known as Curveball, the
codename given to him by US intelligence that turned out to be all too appropriate.
Continue reading the main story
“
Start Quote
I thought we'd produced probably the best intelligence that anybody produced in the pre-war period”
End Quote
Bill Murray
Former CIA Paris station head
Mr Janabi arrived as an Iraqi asylum seeker at a German refugee centre in 1999 and
said he was a chemical engineer, thus attracting the attention of the German
intelligence service, the BND. He told them he had seen mobile biological laboratories
mounted on trucks to evade detection. The Germans had doubts about Mr Janabi which
they shared with the Americans and the British. MI6 had doubts too, which they
expressed in a secret cable to the CIA: "Elements of [his] behaviour strike us as typical
of individuals we would normally assess as fabricators [but we are] inclined to believe
that a significant part of [Curveball's] reporting is true."The British decided to stick with
Curveball, as did the Americans. He later admitted being a fabricator and liar.There
appeared to be corroborative intelligence from another spy who fooled the world.
Continue reading the main story
Panorama: Find out more
Peter Taylor presents Panorama: The Spies Who Fooled the World
BBC One, Monday 18 March at 22:35 GMT
Then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer
He was an Iraqi former intelligence officer, called Maj Muhammad Harith, who said it
had been his idea to develop mobile biological laboratories and claimed he had ordered
seven Renault trucks to put them on. He made his way to Jordan and then talked to the
Americans. Muhammad Harith apparently made up his story because he wanted a new
home. His intelligence was dismissed as fabrication 10 months before the war.
MI6 also thought they had further corroboration of Curveball's story, when a trusted
source - codenamed Red River - revealed he had been in touch with a secondary source
who said he had seen fermenters on trucks. But he never claimed the fermenters had
anything to do with biological agents.
After the war, MI6 decided that Red River was unreliable as a source.
Handmade suit
But not all the intelligence was wrong. Information from two highly-placed sources close
to Saddam Hussein was correct. Both said Iraq did not have any active WMD.
The CIA's source was Iraq's foreign minister, Naji Sabri. Tahir Jalil Habbush Al-Tikriti
said Saddam Hussein had no active WMD Former CIA man Bill Murray - then head of the
agency's station in Paris - dealt with him via an intermediary, an Arab journalist, to
whom he gave $200,000 (£132,000) in cash as a down payment.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66394000/jpg/_66394444_tikriti.jpg
He said Naji Sabri "looked like a person of real interest - someone who we really should
be talking to". Murray put together a list of questions to put to the minister, with WMD
at the top.The intermediary met Naji Sabri in New York in September 2002 when he
was about to address the UN - six months before the start of the war and just a week
before the British dossier was published. The intermediary bought the minister a
handmade suit which the minister wore at the UN, a sign Mr Murray took to mean that
Naji Sabri was on board.
Mr Murray says the upshot was intelligence that Saddam Hussein "had some chemical
weapons left over from the early 90s, [and] had taken the stocks and given them to
various tribes that were loyal to him. [He] had intentions to have weapons of mass
destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear - but at that point in time he virtually had
nothing". The CIA insists the intelligence report from the "source" indicated the former
Iraqi president did have WMD programmes because, the agency says, it mentioned
that, "Iraq was currently producing and stockpiling chemical weapons" and "as a last
resort had mobile launchers armed with chemical weapons".
Mr Murray disputes this account.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66394000/jpg/_66394439_bill_murray.jpg
The second highly-placed source was Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush Al-
Tikriti - the jack of diamonds in America's "most wanted" deck of cards which rated
members of Saddam Hussein's government.A senior MI6 officer met him in Jordan in
January 2003 - two months before the war.Bill Murray says the "best intelligence" was
not used It was thought Habbush wanted to negotiate a deal that would stop the
imminent invasion. He also said Saddam Hussein had no active WMD.
Surprisingly, Lord Butler - who says Britons have "every right" to feel misled by their
prime minister - only became aware of the information from Habbush after his report
was published.
"I can't explain that," says Lord Butler.
"This was something which I think our review did miss. But when we asked about it, we
were told that it wasn't a very significant fact, because SIS [MI6] discounted it as
something designed by Saddam to mislead."
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66407000/jpg/_66407085_lordbutler.jpg
Lord Butler says he also knew nothing about the intelligence from Naji Sabri.
Ex-CIA man Bill Murray was not happy with the way the intelligence from these two highly-placed sources had been used.
"I thought we'd produced probably the best intelligence that anybody produced in the
pre-war period, all of which came out - in the long run - to be accurate. The information
was discarded and not used."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21786506
Panorama: The Spies Who Fooled the World, BBC One, Monday 18 March at 22:35 GMT
and then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer.
======================================================
Suicide riddle of weapons expert who worked with David Kelly: Read more: http..
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44122-Suicide-riddle-of-weapons-expert-who-worked-with-David-Kelly-Read-more-http..
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