Doug Hagmann's DHS insider update: “IT HAS BEGUN.”

[Bill Ryan]

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Posted by Doug Hagmann, 18 March 2013:

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7978


PDF: http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_update_18_March_2013_It_Has_Begun.pdf

Previous articles (very important reading):


http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_Obamas_cyber_warriors_and_preparing_for_collapse_6_Feb_2013.pdf
http://projectavalon.net/The_latest_from_DHS_Insider_Part_2_Doug_Hagmann_24_Dec_2012.pdf
http://projectavalon.net/The_latest_from_DHS_Insider_Part_1_Doug_Hagmann_23_Dec_2012.pdf






DHS insider update: “It has begun”


Much like my high-level source within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security outlined in a series of interviews beginning last year, the orchestrated collapse of the U.S. dollar and the entire world’s economic system has begun. The first shots in a global economic take-over were fired in Cyprus as my esteemed colleague and founding editor of Canada Free Press, Judi McLeod laid out in frank detail in her column (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53818) yesterday. Please read it and heed her advice, or suffer the consequences of your own normalcy bias that such an event will not happen in the United States, Canada, or from wherever you might be reading this. It will, and the plan appears to be on schedule for a shot across the bow later this spring here in the West, with a more aggressive take-over starting sometime this fall, according to my source.

The Plan

To those needing a quick refresher, the plan is quite simple and can be summarized by the Clinton-era quip attributed to political strategist James Carville, “the economy, stupid” and the June 9, 2010 statement by former Obama czar Van Jones, Socialist extraordinaire, “top down, bottom up, inside out.” It is a plan for a one world Communist economy where the “middle class” will be wiped out through a series of events that will have the same ultimate effect as we are seeing in present day Cyprus.

Based on the events in Cyprus, it should be quite clear to even the most vocal critic of the legitimacy of the information provided to me by my source within the DHS as published on this web site is no longer at issue. The U.S. dollar, the backbone of world currencies and the proverbial firewall preventing the erosion of our national sovereignty, is the ultimate target of a takedown by the global banking interests controlled by a handful of banks and families of the “royal elite.”

The plan for a global currency or a one world economic order is a matter that transcends political parties. Those who continue to argue in the Republican-Democrat meme are doing nothing more than providing entertainment to distract people from the real issue, that of the global elite versus the rest of us. The top of the pyramid in this Ponzi scheme is filled with members of both U.S. political parties who are systematically pillaging us and our future generations into financial debt, bondage and slavery. It is a plan that has been in the works for centuries. The problem, however, is that we have been conditioned not to think that big. Yet, the lie is that big.

The parties

Our current financial situation was not bred out of incompetence, but by design. The occupancy of Barack Hussein Obama as the putative President of the United States was a plan in the making long ago, to usher in this oppressive system where we will be left at the mercy of the global ruling class. It is not by accident that we have been prevented from knowing exactly who this man is, from the controversy of his birth records to his college transcripts and even his social security number. Contrary to what the state-controlled media wants you to believe, these questions have never been answered with any measure of authenticity.

For example, does anyone honestly believe that it is merely a coincidence that Obama’s alleged mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, just happened to work with Timothy Geithner’s father, Peter Geithner, at the Ford Foundation in Indonesia? Is it reasonable to believe that the Republican party had no knowledge of the background of Barack Hussein Obama? Yet not one word from the Republican establishment as they not only watched, but facilitated the takeover of the United States from within. As I’ve written before, our nation is a captured operation.

The plan was set into motion long ago, stemming back to the founding of the United States and the temporary resistance to the central banking system. In 1913, the creation of the Federal Reserve set the countdown clock in motion for the complete subjugation of the United States to the interests of the global bankers and the global elite. The secret supra-governmental cabals such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission worked behind the scenes, under the cover provided by the complicit media, to bring us to this point in history. Perpetual wars were induced to occupy the masses while the chess pieces were placed into their current positions. We are now about to pay the price for our inability or unwillingness to confront the establishment and incremental advancements leading to our own demise.

DHS source: Everything is not “coming up roses”

According to the most recent information provided to me from my source within the Department of Homeland Security known as “Rosebud,” the final preparations are being made to deploy heavily armed federalized forces onto the streets of America. They will be deployed under the pretext of “restoring and maintaining order from the chaos brought about by the economic collapse,” adding that “many will demand and embrace their deployment on the streets of America. They will get what they ask for, and more.“

Much like the security theater we have seen following the attacks of 9/11, we will be subjected to the jack-booted control of a federal army whose allegiance is not to the American people, but to the very architects of the chaos.

“This is the reason that drones are flying over U.S. cities and farmland, and gun control legislation is on the fast track for complete implementation,” stated this source. “How can people look at the situation in Cyprus and not think it won’t happen here? It will, and the blowback will be unlike this country has ever seen. Surveillance, disarming the public, and conditioning the people to believe it’s for their own safety is and has been part of the plan all along. Anyone owing a gun will be demonized and described as contributing to the problem.”

“What happens when the middle class loses much of their wealth, or it is confiscated, by the stroke of a pen or a keyboard? What will the stores look like when people, unprepared due to the damn lies of the corporate media and the shills for the ruling elite, run to empty out everything they can get their hands on as the world, as they know it, collapses around them?”

It was during my most recent contact with my source yesterday that he admitted that the situation will be blamed not on the bankers and the elected leaders who are raping us of our wealth and buying power, but on “right-wing, gun-toting Conservative ‘militia’ groups who believe that the situation is orchestrated.” And, of course, it is orchestrated.

“There is no Republican-Democrat argument to be made anymore. It’s all political theater to keep the majority of the masses occupied while the true enemy has already captured both parties,” he added. “They are all in on it, either knowingly or unwittingly, the takeover, that is. And it’s getting harder to believe that there are any who are unwitting accomplices at this point.”

“When the curtain is pulled back to reveal the true agenda of a single digital world currency, the people who have been yelling the loudest about such ‘conspiracy theories’ will be specifically singled out and demonized. They will be blamed for causing the panic we will see, and of course, dealt with by the army we asked for, accepted and even tolerated.”

Anyone who still believes that the information provided by this insider is “doom porn” or some self-created fantasy need to look at the events taking place in Cyprus. It’s coming to America. It has already begun.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill it all sounds familier with what has been happening particularly since
1990 and the fall of the Berlin wall, and makes sence of the thread I put up just
now from David Ickes site...


Assault Weapons Ban Dropped from Senate Gun Bill // Congressmen Demand DHS Explain 1.6 Billion Bullets Purchase

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57143-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Dropped-from-Senate-Gun-Bill-Congressmen-Demand-DHS-Explain-1.6-Billion-Bullets-Purchase&p=651220#post651220

Cheers steve..


DHS Refuses to Answer Congress on 1.6 Billion Bullet Purchase
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[Prodigal Son]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going down without a fight, and love and light isn't going to stop these psychopaths.

Get your fake fiat dollars out of the bank, buy something of real value with it like metals or real estate, fill your cabinets with canned food, and your basements with bottled water. Get a shotgun if you don't already have one, and stock up on ammunition if you do. The war is here, and death is nothing to fear. Most importantly, spread the word. They can be stopped if enough people wake up in time, but time is running out quickly.

[lightseeker]

Bill, thanks for this info. When I saw what was happening in Cyprus, I realized that the dominos would be falling very quickly. Being a pensioner, I don't have much in my account to begin with. It begs the question, I can take the money that is there now and remove it from my account, but will my pension cheque be deposited in my account at the end of march (for me 27th of march). I live in Ottawa Canada, I have been following the strange going ons of the Harper dictatorship for quite a while.

I will do the best that i can. Please note that the NWO KNOWS full well that people will panic and start removing their money from banks world wide. This is also part of their plan. This will hasten the collapse of the global system, probably before the end of march 30th just a guess. The banks will start calling in their mortgage and other loans immediately world wide. I guess i my partner and little dog will be on the street, like so many others around the world.
This is sad but not entirely unexpected. I have been telling friends and family for a long time that this was coming. They looked at me as it i should be placed in a mental institution . I hate to say to them I told you so. i would have preferred to say you are right and i am wrong. But I guess it won't work out that way will it.

[Cidersomerset]

This is coincidental ......




I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going down without a fight, and love and light isn't going to stop these psychopaths.

Get your fake fiat dollars out of the bank, buy something of real value with it like metals or real estate, fill your cabinets with canned food, and your basements with bottled water. Get a shotgun if you don't already have one, and stock up on ammunition if you do. The war is here, and death is nothing to fear. Most importantly, spread the word. They can be stopped if enough people wake up in time, but time is running out quickly.





Anonymous: March 23, 2013 Martial Law is imminent

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Published on 23 Feb 2013
Are you ready?

[SilentFeathers]

No disrespect Bill, but Hagmann is starting to remind me of Fulford.

Cyprus (.02% of Euro GDP) is a small fish compared to Spain, Italy, Greece, etc., this is just more of the same banker strong arming that has been going on for several years now, trying to blackmail another "really small" country into more debt and manipulation.....

There's no doubt things are escalating, but I personally do not see cyprus as the smoking gun to go into panic mode.....

[RMorgan]

Hey Bill,

People have been crying financial collapse for years and, honestly, there´s no way to be sure if what (almost) happened in Cyprus will open a precedent for it to happen globally, specially in the US.

Even up there in Cyprus, congress voted against the taxation of the savings accounts and apparently it´s not going to happen anymore. The only immediate issue that´s happening there right now is that two major banks are still closed.

Sincerely, I believe it´s sensationalism to compare what´s happening in Cyprus, which is a tiny country, to what may happen in the US, which has the largest economy in the whole world.

Similar measures to those proposed to be executed in Cyprus happened in Brazil during the 90s, to contain inertial inflation; All savings accounts were frozen for 18 months. It was bad back then, but look to Brazil now; Our economy is better than ever.

Sure; total financial collapse will eventually happen, because the system itself is very faulty. However, please, don´t fall for alarmist news, folks.

Remember that big financial crisis have happened before and the financial system always managed to recover from them, 1907 Banker's Panic, German Hyperinflation from 1918 to 1924, The Great Depression in 1929, the Oil Crisis in 1973 , the Black Monday in 1987, Japan’s "Lost Decade" in 1990-2000, East Asian Financial Crisis in 1997, the Ruble Crisis in 1998, The Great Recession in 2008,etc...

If there´s one strong point in Capitalism, is that, since it´s been used as a global economic system, it has always managed to recover from big crisis relatively quickly. Capitalism is highly adaptive.

So, keep yourselves informed but please, don´t let yourselves fall for sensationalism. If someone gave me 10$ for each time someone cried "financial collapse is imminent", I would be rich by now.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

These greedy elites will prop this system up for as long as they can everywhere possible.....they are having way too much fun stealing everything from every body....there's still a lot more "loot" for the taking in my opinion....

PS: It'll really get interesting when at the very top they start stealing from each other and start knocking each other off.....(even those at the very top have spoiled and greedy children that they can't control).

[RMorgan]

These greedy elites will prop this system up for as long as they can everywhere possible.....they are having way too much fun stealing everything from every body....there's still a lot more "loot" for the taking in my opinion....

Of course they will; All financial crisis are orchestrated by them and they are only profitable if they are recoverable.

The "ultimate financial crisis" , as some people like to preach, will only happen when people decide to withdraw all their money from the banks. It´s the only crisis scenario that is not controlled by the bankers themselves. It would be a definitive banking collapse.

Why do you think they didn´t approve the taxation of savings accounts up there in Cyprus? If they did, they would start a massive European bank run, then things would definitively get out of control.

Another thing; This stuff about a global currency as referred in the article is completely contradictory; What arguments they would use to push for a global currency if the Euro itself is proven to be faulty? I mean, if it´s not working in the Euro zone, which is a stable economic area, let alone the whole world and it´s massive economic contrasts.

[Ilie Pandia]

If there´s one strong point in Capitalism, is that, since it´s been used as a global economic system, it has always managed to recover from big crisis relatively quickly.

So, keep yourselves informed but please, don´t let yourselves fall for sensationalism. If someone gave me 10$ for each time someone cried "financial collapse is imminent", I would be rich by now.


Hi Raf,

Crisis recovery is always based in finding new resources (or going to war to get them from others). It's energy that allowed crisis recovery, not money, and not capitalism per se.

To me it looks like the obvious energy reserves (coal, oil and nuclear) are dwindling. Tesla's energy technology will not be allowed on the market because it cannot be controlled/metered. My point is that a major crisis now days will be very different...

I am with you about "financial collapse imminent" talk, but also we need to keep an eye out for desensitization to this issue. They will call the financial collapse as being imminent for as long ans they need, until nobody will give a damn about it! So my response to that is get informed, get prepared, collapse or not collapse! Don't get sleepy, don't lose awareness.

The collapse will happen not when we expect it, but when it's useful. Until then, the money printers will keep things in whatever balance is required. In that regard the collapse has been imminent and in the books for quite some time now! Cyprus may be a test, not a warning shot.

So don't panic, but get prepared in whatever way to see fit. Even mental preparation can go a long way.

[CosmicKat]

Like someone else said, is just the beginning.

If you look closely at what our Government, namely Obama has been up to like the NDAA bill, HR875 bill, Drones, FEMA Camps, taking our guns away ect... Everything is pointing to people becoming completely dependant on our Governments. With talk of having vouchers for things like Medicare which by the way I fret will happen sooner than later or vouchers for food as that's where the HR875 (food police) comes into play. You must look between the lines at the HR875 bill. First the Government takes away farm grown healthy food and replaces it with something right out of a sci-fi movie...full of chemicals, telling people what they can and can't eat. Farms will go belly up. Yes, it's no mistake that Obama's past is virtually been kept a secret and was selected for the Presidency a long time ago.

The World is in the midst of economic collaps?

I don't so much fear for my future as much as I fear for my Children and grandchildren's future.

It's my opinion that our freedom is slowly being taken in such small amounts that by the time "we the people" make a stand it will be too late. Taking away ppls money is only the start.

[Eagle Eye]

They want to collapse this system? ...... Me too , never cared about this system.

[SilentFeathers]

This is quite interesting too:


U.S. Companies Stashing More Cash Abroad As Stockpiles Hit Record $1.45T
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/03/19/u-s-companies-stashing-more-cash-abroad-as-stock-piles-hit-record-1-45t/

In this article they state the ten largest companies with the most cash on hand (stashed). Most of this cash is stashed offshore, but regardless it is in my opinion that when we start to see these top ten companies (and other very wealthy ones that aren't totally controlled by Goldmans sachs, Fed, Top 3 banks etc.) start to get ripped off and go down the tubes is when we better be ready to hunker down...

Top Ten (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eejk45ejdld/companies-with-the-largest-cash-piles/)

This is if we first don't see a domino effect taking place of nations totally crumbling first....(hence; not being propped up anymore)

[sheme]

I think this is the real problem films like the one above are very dramatic and designed to create something that does not exist, this is the propaganda of the PTB can no one see it!

Don't you see you are supposed to come out shooting so they can shoot you, forget it, it won't happen unless you start believing it will. Peace .

Justice is best performed quietly and from above.

[araucaria]

The system is described in the OP as a 'Ponzi scheme'. It is in the nature of Ponzi schemes to collapse when people stop buying into them or start dropping out. For the controllers to be claiming to be organizing the collapse imo makes no sense, it is a contradiction in terms.

[RMorgan]

So don't panic, but get prepared in whatever way to see fit. Even mental preparation can go a long way.

Yes, I agree with you. Personally, I´m always prepared, at least psychologically, to whatever may happen in the world during my lifetime.

Anyway, coming from a country which has changed currencies 10 times since 1942 (Real>Cruzeiro>Cruzeiro Novo>Cruzeiro>Cruzado>Cruzado Novo>Cruzeiro>Cruzeiro Real>Real), I know that even if the Euro goes down the drain, the Euro countries would manage to go back to their original currencies relatively quickly.

Sure, things will be very bad for a while, specially for economically weaker Euro zone countries (Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain, etc...), but things will go back to "normal" after a couple of years.

I´m certain that the Euro collapse is not enough to break the global economy, specially the US dollar.

Raf.

[william r sanford72]

the barter system always seemed fair to me....i have said jar o honey....you have said mellon...lets trade.nice and simple.

[daci]

You too, Bill????
I thought that only Kerry is that kind of "fame" fear monger...
I didn't know, that you to love to think negative...
Ah... back to my reality...
Best to you all!

[aniN]

Until the Money ( dollar, euro, pound, etc,... ) is our exchange unit and until WE put energy to it and make it almost holy .... They can play it by their game with OUR help.

[SilentFeathers]

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[Limor Wolf]

You too, Bill????
I thought that only Kerry is that kind of "fame" fear monger...
I didn't know, that you to love to think negative...
Ah... back to my reality...
Best to you all!

One's own reality is not the reality of the other, respect the fact that this is how things are and stay open to learn more, there are always surprises under the sleeves ~

[william r sanford72]

there like old school vampires that have been feeding to well.fun in the chase..slow with the kill. spooky gaunt Bastards with dollars for eyes...you bleed seedy oil and spout twisted lies...Blind to a scale long ago set.A Universal law broke with no regret...Now bound to us all...A PAYMENT!!...you jest?? reality is much deeper than you would expect..for the cannibal capitolistics last Sun set....I wrote this first part 2 years ago...not sure what to call it..poem verse...?? song...hope i didnt post wrong spot...forgive me if i did.

[TrumanCash]

So what's the solution? How about ARREST THE BANKSTERS? It worked for Iceland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xt4Z3rm4r-4).

It's actually very simple. To solve a problem one must first identify the source of the problem. In this case it is the international bankers and their henchmen. These people are being exposed like never before. The Cyprus episode exposed them further. We do not have to be victims. There is power in numbers so if we all chant in unison the mantra "ARREST THE BANKSTERS", the problem will solve itself. Identify the source of the problem (http://www.healthfreedom.info/Federal_Reserve_Fraud.htm) to as many people as possible.

And may the truth set us free....

TLC

[Star Tsar]

Latest from Haggman & Haggman report on the subject matter, fresh out the oven!

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[Hervé]

No disrespect Bill, but Hagmann is starting to remind me of Fulford.

Cyprus (.02% of Euro GDP) is a small fish compared to Spain, Italy, Greece, etc., this is just more of the same banker strong arming that has been going on for several years now, trying to blackmail another "really small" country into more debt and manipulation.....

There's no doubt things are escalating, but I personally do not see cyprus as the smoking gun to go into panic mode.....

Cyprus may appear to be "small fish" until one realizes that, like Greece and Egypt, it's sitting on top of huge mineral resources:

I was reading this article on SOTT.net (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248338-The-Troika-Takes-Two-More-Victims-the-Coup-Regime-sells-off-Greek-Property) about Greece selling properties, etc... but what interested me most was the comment to this article:



Greece Has More Oil Than Iran. (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248338-The-Troika-Takes-Two-More-Victims-the-Coup-Regime-sells-off-Greek-Property#comment71429) By: Highland Fleet Lute (http://www.sott.net/users/show/5698-Highland-Fleet-Lute)

The southern part of Crete apparently has more oil than Iran! Speaking on STEP FM in Canada, Professor Antonis Foskolos from the Department of Mineral Resources and Engineering of the Technical University of Crete. said that "we committed ​​a crime back in 1997 when they stopped investigations."

Foskolos said that the hydrocarbon fields under Crete are immense with at least 22 billion barrels of oil. The Herodotus Basin he said has some 14 to 15 billion barrels of oil, while there are only 400 million barrels in Patras. He also noted that the deposits of natural gas recently found in Cyprus are still "small" because there are at least three other layers that have yet to be investigated. Cyprus has four layers.. said Foskolos... but the aforementioned basin under Crete has "7 layers"!

The Professor said that once the oil begins being exploited it will all be exported, since the whole area Crete has an additional 22 billion barrels of oil totaling some 38 billion barrels! "We are at the level of Iran in relation to stocks," (meaning oil reserves) noted Foskolos and concluded by saying that in 2016-2017 this development, and these riches will change the face of Greece. This "will change the strength of the country. "

In an earlier report on hellasfrappe Foskolos had said that the two areas that in his professional opinion have significant amount of deposits are nine mud volcanoes southeast of Crete, in the Greek Herodotus basin. More precisely, the mud volcanoes in this area contain high amounts of hydrocarbon reserves, primarily natural gas, of approximately 1.5 trillion cubic meters! (Click here for that story). This is comparable with what has been found in the Nile Delta, the Caspian Sea (deposit Shah Deniz), Norway and elsewhere.

In his expert opinion, the south eastern basin of Herodotus in Crete has reserves that surpass two trillion cubic meter mark. This is a vast amount and can only be compared to what was discovered in the Nile Delta (by SHELL, BP) . He says the sediments are of the same origin and geological formations are very similar. In all so far, it is estimated that there are 3.5 trillion cubic meters of gas located there, which can be equaled to 20-22 billion barrels of oil!

The benefits for Greece are obvious. Foskolos believes that the exploitation of these deposits will create a total of 300,000 jobs. At least 100,000 in the primary sector and 200,000 jobs in the secondary sector, while all revenue can be reaped by the Greek state in 25 years amounts to 437 billion US and this is not counting the profits from the pipeline that will transport the natural gas to Europe ( at a length of 1000 km at a cost of approximately $ 20,000 / km, or 25 billion US dollars.)

Other experts agree with Foskolos as well. A separate report on the Chaniotika nea site said that Professor Giannis Makris says that there are two potential hydrocarbon reserves southwest of Crete, where sediment thickness frin 10 to 12 kilometers, and there are hydrocarbon reserves in Western Crete where there are 3 fields of mud volcanoes.

.... and thousands of tons of gold, uranium, osmium and and other rare minerals, apparently.

"Whenever we attempted to start bidding processes that would allow corporations to create infrastructure for the extraction of the resources we received major pressure to abandon the efforts and warnings that 'nothing will materialise' no matter what we do".....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8M-rJULXlo&feature=related
[Link (http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/professor-tells-canadian-radio-that.html)]This, together with Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria...

The last countries standing up against the IMF firing squad were Libya, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba and Iran... how many have now been checked out?

So, what can you guess the real plan to be?

Perhaps... maybe... prevent other Libya or Venezuela to rise up to the plate? By ensuring their mineral assets are securely hypothecated with triple or quadruple mortgages... maybe?

As Ilie pointed out:
The collapse will happen not when we expect it, but when it's useful.... to them, of course.

Anyone ever read John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"?

[SilentFeathers]

Cyprus may appear to be "small fish" until one realizes that, like Greece and Egypt, it's sitting on top of huge mineral resources:



Yeah, I've noticed Russia is quite interested............



Cyprus Energy Minister George Lakkotrypis was also in Moscow, officially for a tourism exhibition, but fuelling talk that access to untapped offshore gas reserves could be on the table as part of a deal for Russian aid.

Russian oil and gas giant Gazprom had mooted its own assistance plan in exchange for exploration rights to Cyprus's offshore gas deposits.

[Heartsong]

International Economics isn't my strength. I know very little.

However, I have heard for years that government is in the pocket of big business. Big business is dependent on consumers and banks. Consumers are dependent on available cash/credit. When cash is no longer available the system fails.

Why then would big business allow the government to initiate a collapse of the system?

[Cidersomerset]

Although I am putting this on another thread,its worth listening to it
what they discuss is all part of the bigger picture of the NWO agenda.
Former US Senator Mike Gravel says its all a' Neo con plan'
'They know who the criminals are, they should be prosicuted' !...

Both of them could be talking on a site like this, very refreshing !!

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Published on 19 Mar 2013

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57111-Iraq-The-spies-who-fooled-the-world...BBC-Panarama-flagship-documentry-programme-18-3-2013&p=651389#post651389
Ten years later, the effects of the US-led war in Iraq are still being felt. With
hundreds of thousands lives lost in the Middle Eastern country, including American
soldiers, reports indicate that America is expected to pay trillions of dollars for the
mission. Former US Senator Mike Gravel (D-AK) and Sara Flounders, co-director of
the International Action Center, joins us to discuss.

[Hervé]

International Economics isn't my strength. I know very little.

However, I have heard for years that government is in the pocket of big business. Big business is dependent on consumers and banks. Consumers are dependent on available cash/credit. When cash is no longer available the system fails.

Why then would big business allow the government to initiate a collapse of the system?

Seize all assets... to end up ("legally") owning everything including you...

[jagman]

Lindsey Williams,Chaplain to the 'Elite was a guest on Coast last night and he said that according to his Elite friend the dollar would be alright for the next 2 or 3 years.
I reallly dont trust Lindsey Williams just thought I would throw that out there.

[Hervé]

[...]

Yeah, I've noticed Russia is quite interested............



Cyprus Energy Minister George Lakkotrypis was also in Moscow, officially for a tourism exhibition, but fuelling talk that access to untapped offshore gas reserves could be on the table as part of a deal for Russian aid.

Russian oil and gas giant Gazprom had mooted its own assistance plan in exchange for exploration rights to Cyprus's offshore gas deposits.


Ha, yes, the beauty of controlled opposition... it not only works with MSM, the elephant-donkey hybrid, etc... but also at the US vs. Russia scale: The whole of the Russian oil and gas fields are Rockefeller owned thanks to them financing Lenin:




All right, so let's get some history straight here; from the account of someone who had ample opportunities to peruse the said person's archived private files:

Case 22D Hot Sodas Courtesy of Those Who Funded the Bolshevik Revolution?


The wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, Gutle Schnaper, said, “If my sons did not want wars, there would be none”. See the 5-minute clip THE ROTHSCHILDS at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVJzXsraX4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVJzXsraX4)


Rothschilds/John D. Rockefeller, Sr. funded the Bolshevik Revolution

Per his writings in the Archives, John D. Rockefeller helped fund the Bolshevik Revolution to get the wealth of the Czars, the labor of the Russian people, and much the Southern Oil fields in Russia. That wealth changed its name from Czarist, to Russian Government owned. Ignore the names, what happened to it? Did the people of Russia get it? No. The Rockefeller Archives show that he built a private army in Russia, much like the Brown Shirt army later. His accountant said that for each 2 cents that he spent to build that Army he got a dollar back. That Army was not staying up late to knit socks to sell. They were beating people up and committing assassinations, massacres, and mayhem to terrorize the populace into submission. And he was bribing officials to get what he wanted. He was apparently famous for that in the US as well. See www.reformation.org/rockefeller-bribery.html (http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-bribery.html) .

[...]

In exchange, Rockefeller got some of the Czars crown jewels. The Rockefeller Family stored some of them in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. I was able to prove that to the satisfaction of the Director of CIA at the time. They also got most of the profits from the Southern Russian oil fields. In about 1994, I went on a tour of them with Rodman Rockefeller so I know that for a fact. In addition, the Rockefellers charged about 18% interest on the money that they loaned Lenin for the Revolution. The way that agreement was set up made all of the loot that Lenin could seize in Russia, the Rockefellers/Rothschilds.


The Russian Famine Under Stalin and the Rockefellers

That meant that Lenin and Stalin could never get out of debt unless they could work people nearly to death to produce the goods Rockefeller/Rothschilds wanted. People thought that the ridiculous factory quotas the Russians tried to accomplish were the result of communism. That was not what I thought after reading the Archives. The Rockefellers were setting the quotas and delighting in the profits. They also delighted in giving the Russians quotas they could not meet as a way of humiliating them.

As the CIA’s intelligence negotiator to make an agreement with the Russians on how to form a single German Intelligence agency after the Berlin Wall fell, I had a chance to meet Gorbachev. That was not the only occasion. He once told me how he was motivated to help the Russian people because aunts/uncles of his had died in a famine when he was a 4-year old-boy. It was known that the agricultural policies under Stalin had caused that famine in the early 1930’s.

I found a video of the part of that famine that affected the Ukraine. Given racists tendencies it was likely worse in the Ukraine than in Russia.

[...]

Knowing how important this event was to him [Gorbachev], I sent him copies from the Archives of documents that showed those policies had been forced upon Stalin by Rockefeller. While the people of Russia starved, Rockefeller was also insisting that Stalin sell him the grain at the price and amounts previously agreed to. But Rockefeller did not need that grain. And Rockefeller was, to a large extent, responsible for the bad policies that caused the poor crop yields and meant that selling that same amount of grain overseas ensured famine. It appeared to be a deliberate attempt, not just to get grain cheaply, but to starve people. The private journals of John D. Rockeller, Jr. confirmed that. The Rockefeller Family seemed obsessed by the desire to kill people off, including by warfare and starvation. The Rockefellers have long backed population control measures fairly publicly. That was not a secret, nor their funding of ‘eugenics’ research’. See http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile29.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile29.htm) , http://www.eugenics-watch.com/eugbook/,euod_ch1.html (http://www.eugenics-watch.com/eugbook/euod_ch1.html) , http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm (http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm). But, the behind the scenes maneuvers on how they were committing those Crimes Against Humanity were secret. To them Communism was a lovely excuse to steal the wealth of the rich Russians and then kill off the poor who were not working in their factories. The factories and the oil fields had the name of the Soviet Union on them, as if they belong to the Russian Govt.. But an examination of the chain of command structure and the flow of money made it look like the Rockefellers et al were already well on their way to being Kings of the World.


The Battle of Stalingard and the Rockefeller Ploy to Spread WWII Across Russia

Let me give you an example of that so you can understand how this system worked in practice. John D. Rockefeller, Jr, wanted to crash prices in South America of a type of goods to force his competitors into closing. If I remember correctly, the country was Argentina and the goods were stainless steel cookware--pots and pans, bowls, and cutlery. They were items peasants had to buy to live. They were also heavy and it made absolutely no sense to ship them from Russia since they were already made in adequate quantities by factories in that country. But they were not Rockefeller’s factories so a part of the markets’s share of money was not going to them. That was an anathema to John. D., Jr.. He wanted to own everything and everyone, or kill them.

So, he wrote a letter to Stalin and told him how much and what kind of each item he wanted. It was a huge order, perhaps several Latin American countries worth. Rockefeller was going to dropped the prices of the goods to drive the Latin American factories out of business. Then he would buy them cheaply. Having a monopoly he would then raise the price of the goods to steal even more from the peasants. His journal shows that he intended to cause their children to starve, if at all possible. It was not an unintended consequence of his business practices. I saw instances in which he was willing to lose money to make others starve. It was really quite sad to read about the life of a man who was so desperately unhappy that this was what it took to distract him from that fact.

[...]

Stalin got the order and wrote back saying that he could not meet those deadlines in 2 months time. Rockefeller wrote back saying he had to ‘or else’. I wanted to know what the “or else” was. Later I came across invoices for the guards of Stalin which Rockefeller was paying. They were not just regulars, they were a special outfit chosen by Rockefeller. They were not ethnically the same as Stalin. It appeared that they had been chosen by Rockefeller to have no qualms about killing Stalin, if ordered to do so. The head of them was writing reports on Stalin’s activities to John D. more often than Stalin was writing to John D. After looking into it even further than I have said, I concluded that John D.’s threat to kill Stalin was a credible one.

Stalin was humiliated in more ways that one by trying to fill that order in time. He did not succeed, as hard and as desperately as he tried. He was a week late. Furthermore, this was during the height of the German attack on Russia, about a month before the battle of Stalingrad when the order was completed. It meant that steel and railway transport that would have gone into making of rifles did not.

Russian soldiers went into the battle of Stalingrad, Stalin’s namesake, with only about 35% of them carrying a rifle! They had to rush forward into battle defenselessly or be shot in the back. Only after one of their buddies got killed could they pick up a fallen weapon to defend themselves. That caused a huge rift among them which they could not solve. It was designed to destroy their team spirit and turned them against each other.

The Battle of Stalingard was almost a defeat for the Russia people because of what John D. did. His journal showed that he intended for the battle to be a Russian defeat and allow him to spread the war all across Russia. He agonized on the pages of his journal about whether his timing was right and the order big enough. He wanted the fighting to continue all across Russia and not just lead to a Russian capitulation. He wanted to destroy all the shop keepers and small enterprises that had not yet been nationalized and brought under his control. His journal said that he cried at his loses when the Russians bravely managed to force the Germans to retreat. But he did not call them brave in his journal and I will not repeat the derogatory phrases. Skull and Bones calls people not in it Barbarians; will they help the Rockefellers plan and execute mass murders, such as at Auschwitz and other Nazi death camps. It is clear that they have some problems in their thinking.

Whole article, click here (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/)

[Maunagarjana]

This report loses credibility in my eyes by using the terms "communism" and "socialism" for what they are talking about. So the big bankers are communists, eh? Really?? I don't know what bizarro world definition of communism they are using but it makes no sense to me. They, the people who have the lions share of the capital, start stealing through various means other people's capital. Sounds like the logical outcome of capitalism to me. I don't want to derail the thread into a pointless debate over semantics, just saying, this raises a red flag to me and makes me question the intelligence of the source. There's a lot of things to be concerned with out there, the communist boogeyman isn't it, imho.

[Cidersomerset]

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I'm listening to James Martinez show, about seven mins in he plays the above vid
and is talkingabout the current situation from his knowledge....its from 12/3/13 so
not right up to date.I'm just catching up on shows i'm behind on and this came up.

James is pretty on the ball with all this especially the money side....
and hes talking about how martial law can be brought in uhm.
Bitcoin digital currency.The Jimmy Saville case......


http://www.achieveradio.com/archDL.php?ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/2013-03-12--1200---Cash_Flow.mp3

about 17mins he plays this ha, ha,

Bugger The Bankers THE OFFICIAL VIDEO
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54063-Bugger-The-Bankers-THE-OFFICIAL-VIDEO

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Well they are well equiped for something.........They are equiped like the old
para-military police ...

DHS-HSI Homeland Security Investigations El Paso SRT MRAP Armored Vehicle

http://www.ice.gov/index.htm


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http://www.ice.gov/contact/inv

[WhiteFeather]

If its a war they want, then its a war they are gonna get. Much Strength in numbers here. Remember: Many of our armed forces here in America have family's. Once they smell a rat. Most of our armed forces and personell are going to pull out and head to their homes to defend/secure their family, this im quite sure of. When the going gets tough the tough get going. And when they fail, heck were gonna take back America once again. Maybe thats why we chose to incarnate here. To shift this badboy. Enjoy Johns Animal House Speech. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

[Tesseract]

We are a diverse community here, however the frequency of occurrence of socialist fear mongering on this forum is a little off-putting. I read through the text in the OP, however, based on the quality of it I have little mind to devote further time to reading more from this man.

“It is a plan for a one world Communist economy”

The author’s bias is lit up like a neon light with this bit of conservative demagoguery.


‘Based on the events in Cyprus, it should be quite clear to even the most vocal critic of the legitimacy of the information provided to me by my source within the DHS as published on this web site is no longer at issue.’

Does that sentence even make sense?



“The occupancy of Barack Hussein Obama”

Yes, his middle name is Hussein. It’s well you pointed that out, for the xenophobic contingent of your readership should respond positively to that, as I am sure you know.


‘from the controversy of his birth records to his college transcripts and even his social security number’

Why do conservatives so often fail to attack Obama on his murderous foreign policy (where he has actually had killed good people), yet so often go to great and elaborate lengths to destroy his legitimacy with weapons as polemically feeble as innuendo about his birth? It really is quite moronic. I suppose it is because, deep down, the same conservatives have a shame to hide and that is that their own past foreign policy (Vietnam, Iran, Libya, Cuba) are in direct alignment with Obama’s in the present.



‘chaos brought about by the economic collapse’

This US economic collapse has been the mainstay of internet-published conspiracy theories since 1999 (at the latest). I guess one of these days someone will be right by accident.


‘What happens when the middle class loses much of their wealth’

Well, I suppose they would then be, you know, “poor people”, those folk you’ve feared and hated your whole life.

[GCS1103]

Bill-

I believe your analysis is very accurate and well written. An attorney friend of mine who worked for Michael Chertoff for many years- before and after he became head of Homeland Security- has periodically given me some insight into what is actually happening in this country. Your source confirms things I have been told, as well. My friend is a former Asst. U. S. Attorney, worked on the Whitewater investigation with Chertoff and went on to work with him when he was the Secretary of Homeland Security.

I don't see fear mongering here; just a reality that most of us don't want to believe, for the sake of our sanity.

[ThePythonicCow]

We are a diverse community here, however the frequency of occurrence of socialist fear mongering on this forum is a little off-putting. I read through the text in the OP, however, based on the quality of it I have little mind to devote further time to reading more from this man.

“It is a plan for a one world Communist economy”

The author’s bias is lit up like a neon light with this bit of conservative demagoguery.
Many of those warning of upcoming events have a bias expressed within the current spheres of conflict.

We've got conservatives, libertarians, southern Baptists, gold bugs, socialists, survivalists, etc, etc all warning us.

Most people reading the warnings will be put off by most of the warnings, on account of this.

Whether that tells us much about the usefulness of the warnings remains to be seen.

Given the decade and continuing of domestic tyranny and given the literal hell that has been rained down on the people's of any non-compliant nation around the world since 9/11 ... and given the magnitude of the world monetary, economic, financial, morality, ecological, and other imbalances that have been built up ... I shudder to think what the next major false flag event even more shocking than 9/11, and/or the next major and even Greater Depression, can precipitate.

[mosquito]

I totally concur with Maunagajarna and Tesseract.

Surely no one can deny that humanity is in a dire state. There are many facets to our problem, one of which is the pyramidal/hierarchical economic model, this in turn is used as the basis for the "world trade" system which in, in truth, nothing but a one-sided charade whose sole beneficiary is corporate America (please note I'm not saying the people).

I'm not an economist (thank god), but this much is obvious to me :-

The economic model and trade system needs to be replaced by a mutually beneficial, interdependent relationship based on EQUALITY - no one country or entity has more rights than any other. The rules and mode of regulation of this system shold be mutually agreed, NOT dicated by any one nation, regardless of who it is.

Therefore the replacement of the US dollar as the international exchange currency by a "basket of currencies" (sorry, it's not my term but I can think of no better) is a prerequisite to our world becoming a fairer place, and also to our continued evolution.

Evolution = change. Change necessitates disruption of the status quo. Get used to it.

[norman]

hey, solutions, solutions, solution.

Slow down a bit.

What we are about to be confronted with IS A SOLUTION !

And, it'll have aspects of everything they've gathered from our chatter incorporated into it.

I strongly urge anyone who is still not up to speed on this tactic to get a copy of "The Prince" by Machiavelli.

Read it first, before you respond to my "Luddite" post here.

What we've got here, "Is a Failure to Communicate"............

A mixing together of innocence and front line strategy talk. Sort of what they want us to trip up over. Let's be better than this.

[Cognitive Dissident]

While it is likely that DHS is preparing for a collapse, that does not mean it is going to happen. As a number of people have said, a collapse is only going to happen if it serves the PTB to do so.

The point to remember is this: there are many, many intermediate steps between "where we are now" and "total collapse". And each of these steps can be used to tighten the screws of control, to make people accept one more small loss of liberty or infringement of rights, for the sake of social order and "preventing collapse".

In other words, TEOTWAWKI will increasingly be used as a meme to justify what is happening anyway with the NDAA, domestic use of drones, security cameras everywhere, thought predictive pre-crime interventions, etc. That is, if terrorism no longer frightens people, maybe TEOTWAWKI will? Of course, this means that TEOTWAWKI is, or would be, a false flag. It is very important to bear this in mind as we discuss these issues and anything relating to "collapse".

A good economic perspective on all of this is Charles Hugh Smith. He doesn't mention UFOs at all, but he is very insightful on many other things: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmar13/3-scenarios3-13.html

For the reasons given above, we are going to see his scenario 2 prior to scenario 3.

A related thought: the overall plan is to make people less independent. Taking their money is another way of doing that. It is more difficult for people to plan ahead, to gather the resources necessary to exit the matrix, if you cannot access your own savings. This is happening on a step by step basis.

[T Smith]

the barter system always seemed fair to me....i have said jar o honey....you have said mellon...lets trade.nice and simple.

Fred has a loaf of bread to trade, wants honey
Jim has a fish to trade, wants a loaf of bread
Frank has honey to trade, wants a fish

Fred and Frank meet on the corner to barter. Fred offers Frank a loaf of bread for his honey, but Frank says "no thank you" to Fred, who moves on with his bread to the next corner in search of a more favorable transaction.

At the next corner Fred meets Jim. Jim is willing to trade a fish for Fred's loaf bread. But Fred does not want a fish, he wants honey, so he says "no thank you" to Jim. Fred, the good citizen he is, remembers Frank specifically wants a fish, so he suggests that Jim peddle his wares to the yonder corner where a man named Frank would be willing to trade for his fish.

Jim takes Fred's advise. He peddles his fish to the yonder corner and meets Frank, but all Frank has to offer is honey. Jim wants bread.

The moral of the story? This transaction requires a currency. Anything. Sea shells, bird feathers, a pebble of gold or silver. Anything to facilitate the transaction. If all three men met at the same corner, and at the same time, they would likely figure out a way to barter successfully between them. But an abstract currency, that serves as a measure of value, alleviates that necessity.

[Mandala]

If its a war they want, then its a war they are gonna get. Much Strength in numbers here. Remember: Many of our armed forces here in America have family's. Once they smell a rat. Most of our armed forces and personell are going to pull out and head to their homes to defend/secure their family, this im quite sure of. When the going gets tough the tough get going. And when they fail, heck were gonna take back America once again. Maybe thats why we chose to incarnate here. To shift this badboy. Enjoy Johns Animal House Speech. ;)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

It's not over, until we say its over!

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Anyone want to know when the collapse will happen?

Keep your eye on what the big money makers are doing, and there you will find the answers.

[ThePythonicCow]

Keep your eye on what the big money makers are doing
How do we do that? Reliable information, about that and much else, is precious!

[Tony]

Sheep are controlled by spooking them!

[ruisatriani]

Hi guys!

I am cautious and excited by living in Cyprus at this moment of time. I just came here due to "coincidences" of life, live here for 2 years and was planning to move away this summer. I was in the protest on tuesday and i've been following events closely.

For one part, i understand the people who see this as just another bail-out, just another pushing from the system to enslave economically one more small country... But i must say that my instinct tells me something else this time.

First, its a very strange move from the ECB and Eurogroup, to not predict that a measure like this would be voted against and prolongate a situation of doubt, which would as a consequence create tension and fear. I have never seen this measure as something that experts would bluntly fail to predict, its just too strange.

Second, this fear of bankrupcy and mistrust in banks is likely to become a wave in western Europe, and people in my country (Portugal) or Spain, or Italy or Greece can might easily become scared to loose their money and start a run to the banks... If THIS happens, it will probably be TOTAL COLLAPSE.

So, to my eyes, i really hope i am wrong, but it seems that there is a steering wheel behind all this failed agreements and predictions. If it is the start, its the chance to REBUILD a new system, if this one goes down.

The Dalai-Lama used to say "whatever happens, nothing happens".

Cheers :)

[T Smith]

Hi guys!

I am cautious and excited by living in Cyprus at this moment of time. I just came here due to "coincidences" of life, live here for 2 years and was planning to move away this summer. I was in the protest on tuesday and i've been following events closely.

For one part, i understand the people who see this as just another bail-out, just another pushing from the system to enslave economically one more small country... But i must say that my instinct tells me something else this time.

First, its a very strange move from the ECB and Eurogroup, to not predict that a measure like this would be voted against and prolongate a situation of doubt, which would as a consequence create tension and fear. I have never seen this measure as something that experts would bluntly fail to predict, its just too strange.

Second, this fear of bankrupcy and mistrust in banks is likely to become a wave in western Europe, and people in my country (Portugal) or Spain, or Italy or Greece can might easily become scared to loose their money and start a run to the banks... If THIS happens, it will probably be TOTAL COLLAPSE.

So, to my eyes, i really hope i am wrong, but it seems that there is a steering wheel behind all this failed agreements and predictions. If it is the start, its the chance to REBUILD a new system, if this one goes down.

The Dalai-Lama used to say "whatever happens, nothing happens".

Cheers :)

Hi ruisatriani,

Thank you for the perspective. From what you are observing from family, friends, acquaintances, do people plan on taking out their money anyway? I imagine there is a pitch for everyone to remain calm, be patriotic, and keep their money in the bank since the parliment voted the bailout down, but in your estimation are the people going to comply?

[ruisatriani]

Yesterday i was going to play football with some friends... I drove through some ATM machines and... the scenario is getting chaotic! There was a line of 30/40 people in every cash machine... People are just scared and that's it... they don't care about what is said or done, they just want their money in their hands... Which will be useless if money or, at least, EURO money collapses.

Strangely, even though i have Nigel farage and other people in good consideration, I wondered when i saw his latest news intervention advising people to take all the money out of the banks... along with some other news commentators. And i was trhinking to myself if that is really a wise decision or just a push for chaos... although, on the other hand, i feel bad for being suspicious of everybody's opinion and maybe he's just trying to really say what he thinks its best. Can't trust no one at this moment...

Thinking in going back to portugal and start my plantation project! :)

Cheers

[Jean-Luc]

Just picked this on this valuable blog which praises itself to have a fairly good so-called "BS"-detector.

Which is indeed IMO generally the case.

Info or intox ?


It's getting serious

There has been some "mini" bankrun's since 2008, people who get their money out of Europe and or who make big reserves, but this kind of message is new.
Apparently some fear a collapse of the Euro for the Easter weekend or later. A supermarket insider (Germany):

Markets have received the instruction from the very top to increase the quantity of goods by 40% in subsidiaries for the Easter weekend and the following weeks. What is surprising is that (1) this point was provided by phone [because it is urgent or not to leave a paper trail that could cause panic - Translator Note] and (2) we were asked to apply the desired priority for canned goods, pasta, mineral water, rice, flour, sugar, and (very important) baby food.

End of translation

The destruction of the euro has began. We must expect restrictions on transfers of capital, withdrawal limits, shortages in stores and in the worst cases - unlikely for now but may go quickly - closures of banks with all the consequences. As Celente said : The Financial System Is Collapsing Before Our ​​Eyes.

Source : http://mahamudras.blogspot.be/2013/03/ca-devient-serieux.html

[gripreaper]

It's not a matter of "the us dollar is going to collapse", IT IS collapsing. Although the stock market is rallying to new highs, it's just designed to suck in the weak hands and draw more people in. The 40 trillion a month to backstop the housing and derivatives bubble, is destroying the dollar, while deflation occurs we sleep. It only takes a 2% move in the financial markets to cause a collapse (think MF Global).

When enough of the sheep have been fleeced and enough people are at poverty, the banksters will take out the middle class, who are already down about 50% FROM 2008, but still living the dream(nightmare).

So, we know it's here...we know it continues unabated, and we know it will reach a tippling point. It seems imminent to me, the perfect storm with so many dollars all around the world.

Be prepared. that's always been the mantra, more so now than ever.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-03-20/it%E2%80%99s-time-collapse-system

[ThePythonicCow]

It's not a matter of "the us dollar is going to collapse", IT IS collapsing.
In my estimation, the bastards in power have three key objectives that regard the US Dollar:

Replace the current global monetary system in the "rest" of the world, outside the US, which had been based on the US Dollar as the primary reserve currency, with another system that suits the bastard banksters for the next period.
Impoverish Americans, foreclosing on debt and stealing wealth.
Replace the domestic use of the Dollar within the US with the same global system as above.

When forcing debt payments to fail, the bastard banksters make money scarce, driving up unemployment.

When forcing savings to become worthless, they steal them or drive the currency denominating them into high inflation.

So for those of us within the US, I expect money to become too scarce, before it becomes too plentiful. Right now the supposed increase in the monetary base is due to the Federal Reserve monetizing some of the already failed debt that had been held by a few favored parties, such as a few big banks. That extra money shows up on Jamie Dimon's books (he's CEO of JPMorgan), not on my books. Us commoners are seeing less money than before.

Meanwhile the value of the US Dollar in foreign exchange (for oil and many many other imports) is weakening, as other nations increasingly shun it. So Americans have less money, but pay more for gas (petro), food, clothing, and gadgets.

At some point, once what debt that is going to fail has failed, including that of some prominent state and local governments and some well known corporations, I anticipate that the bastard banksters will shift gears and spike fears of inflation. The best way to drive high inflation is to spike fears of it, just as the best way to cause bank runs is to spike fears of bank runs. That is when we will see the price of gold denominated in US Dollars spike.

Depressions are useful for taking property from those in debt, while inflation and high taxes are useful for taking money from the wealthy. The US has plenty of both debtors and wealthy, so both mechanisms are "needed."

Eventually, almost no one (but a few favored bastard banksters and their controllers and favored sons) will have anything left, and those that do will no longer trust the once mighty US Dollar. During "good times", such as in the US in the second half of the 20-th (last) century, people can be controlled with stuff, toys, entertainment, and greed. But during "hard times", some good old fashioned tyranny and extensive intelligence networks backed by unparalleled brutality provides the best control mechanisms.

So, yes, the US Dollar is collapsing, but in two domestic stages, first depression then high inflation, alongside an international unraveling of its power and a domestic US increase in tyranny.

The US Dollar, both as the cornerstone of the international monetary system and as the domestic currency of the US, is being destroyed.

[ThePythonicCow]

Notice further the impact of transformative events, such as Great Depressions and World Wars, on generations of people.

The "greatest generation" that grew up in the Great Depression in the US would not let themselves get overly in debt. Nor would their children, the baby boomers (born after World War II) get too far into debt for college education or early in their career, being still somewhat under the guidance of their parents.

But as the unparalleled prosperity of the 1960's through 1990's in the US conditioned the baby boomers to expect a reliable and ever increasing income stream, they succumbed to the temptations of excess debt and excess greed. Thus was laid the great over extension of debt, at all levels, that is now being used, as it has been since time immemorial, to destroy a people and steal their wealth (and freedom.)

Similarly, I expect that China's Great Leap Forward, 1958-1961, has seared that generation of Chinese ... though I know not in what way nor to what effect. I wish I did know.

[David Trd1]

No disrespect Bill, but Hagmann is starting to remind me of Fulford.

Cyprus (.02% of Euro GDP) is a small fish compared to Spain, Italy, Greece, etc., this is just more of the same banker strong arming that has been going on for several years now, trying to blackmail another "really small" country into more debt and manipulation.....

There's no doubt things are escalating, but I personally do not see cyprus as the smoking gun to go into panic mode.....

Cyprus may appear to be "small fish" until one realizes that, like Greece and Egypt, it's sitting on top of huge mineral resources:

I was reading this article on SOTT.net (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248338-The-Troika-Takes-Two-More-Victims-the-Coup-Regime-sells-off-Greek-Property) about Greece selling properties, etc... but what interested me most was the comment to this article:



Greece Has More Oil Than Iran. (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248338-The-Troika-Takes-Two-More-Victims-the-Coup-Regime-sells-off-Greek-Property#comment71429) By: Highland Fleet Lute (http://www.sott.net/users/show/5698-Highland-Fleet-Lute)

The southern part of Crete apparently has more oil than Iran! Speaking on STEP FM in Canada, Professor Antonis Foskolos from the Department of Mineral Resources and Engineering of the Technical University of Crete. said that "we committed ​​a crime back in 1997 when they stopped investigations."

Foskolos said that the hydrocarbon fields under Crete are immense with at least 22 billion barrels of oil. The Herodotus Basin he said has some 14 to 15 billion barrels of oil, while there are only 400 million barrels in Patras. He also noted that the deposits of natural gas recently found in Cyprus are still "small" because there are at least three other layers that have yet to be investigated. Cyprus has four layers.. said Foskolos... but the aforementioned basin under Crete has "7 layers"!

The Professor said that once the oil begins being exploited it will all be exported, since the whole area Crete has an additional 22 billion barrels of oil totaling some 38 billion barrels! "We are at the level of Iran in relation to stocks," (meaning oil reserves) noted Foskolos and concluded by saying that in 2016-2017 this development, and these riches will change the face of Greece. This "will change the strength of the country. "

In an earlier report on hellasfrappe Foskolos had said that the two areas that in his professional opinion have significant amount of deposits are nine mud volcanoes southeast of Crete, in the Greek Herodotus basin. More precisely, the mud volcanoes in this area contain high amounts of hydrocarbon reserves, primarily natural gas, of approximately 1.5 trillion cubic meters! (Click here for that story). This is comparable with what has been found in the Nile Delta, the Caspian Sea (deposit Shah Deniz), Norway and elsewhere.

In his expert opinion, the south eastern basin of Herodotus in Crete has reserves that surpass two trillion cubic meter mark. This is a vast amount and can only be compared to what was discovered in the Nile Delta (by SHELL, BP) . He says the sediments are of the same origin and geological formations are very similar. In all so far, it is estimated that there are 3.5 trillion cubic meters of gas located there, which can be equaled to 20-22 billion barrels of oil!

The benefits for Greece are obvious. Foskolos believes that the exploitation of these deposits will create a total of 300,000 jobs. At least 100,000 in the primary sector and 200,000 jobs in the secondary sector, while all revenue can be reaped by the Greek state in 25 years amounts to 437 billion US and this is not counting the profits from the pipeline that will transport the natural gas to Europe ( at a length of 1000 km at a cost of approximately $ 20,000 / km, or 25 billion US dollars.)

Other experts agree with Foskolos as well. A separate report on the Chaniotika nea site said that Professor Giannis Makris says that there are two potential hydrocarbon reserves southwest of Crete, where sediment thickness frin 10 to 12 kilometers, and there are hydrocarbon reserves in Western Crete where there are 3 fields of mud volcanoes.

.... and thousands of tons of gold, uranium, osmium and and other rare minerals, apparently.

"Whenever we attempted to start bidding processes that would allow corporations to create infrastructure for the extraction of the resources we received major pressure to abandon the efforts and warnings that 'nothing will materialise' no matter what we do".....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8M-rJULXlo&feature=related
[Link (http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/professor-tells-canadian-radio-that.html)]This, together with Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria...

The last countries standing up against the IMF firing squad were Libya, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba and Iran... how many have now been checked out?

So, what can you guess the real plan to be?

Perhaps... maybe... prevent other Libya or Venezuela to rise up to the plate? By ensuring their mineral assets are securely hypothecated with triple or quadruple mortgages... maybe?

As Ilie pointed out:
The collapse will happen not when we expect it, but when it's useful.... to them, of course.

Anyone ever read John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"?


I would add Ireland to that list,many don`t know this but just before our country was''force-fed'' our imf medicine in 2010 massive oil reserves were discovered off our western and eastern coasts,W.Of course there is a very blatant pattern here

[gripreaper]

So, yes, the US Dollar is collapsing, but in two domestic stages, first depression then high inflation, alongside an international unraveling of its power and a domestic US increase in tyranny.

Ok, so practically, while dollars become increasingly scarce for the average person, corporations scale back on production of consumer goods, prices are under pressure to go down to compete for those scarce dollars, and we are all pretty much living hand to mouth, what must we do?

During the deflationary period of the cycle, (we are in this now) we are to pile up as much resources as we can, which can be used to survive, while not accumulating any debt. Any debts we do have should be defaulted and expunged, except possibly a mortgage which is manageable under worst case conditions and can provide shelter and a source of food. All suburban mortgages should be abandoned.

Once the debt is eliminated, those resources which used to go to service that debt, should be used to purchase goods, which can be stored, for when such goods are not available during a collapse. If you are still sending your energy to the banksters and not providing for yourselves a stash of resources, you're not paying attention to what's going down.

When inflation hits, and it will, you must be able to "not need" much from the collapsing system in regards to basic food, clothing and shelter. It also helps to be in a small community of like minded individuals who could (and would) band together and produce locally within the community and pool their energies and resources.

So, first the personal cleansing, then the local outreach.

For those who are not at the point where their own fiscal houses are in order, they will get caught with their proverbial pants down, and the ride is going to be pretty rough for them. The remaining "middle class" will get hit the hardest.

It does "feel" like we are almost there now, where the money supply circulating through commerce has been shrunk sufficiently, the derivatives bubble has been inflated sufficiently, and the velocity of the movement of the dollar has sufficiently slowed down, and the dollar is being sufficiently shunned worldwide.

Not much left to do, that I can see, but pull the plug, pop the derivatives bubble, collapse the currency, and add in a few false flags and psychological warfare scenarios, and the transformation could occur rather quickly and also take care of many other parts of the agenda at the same time.

How fast and how bad are the only unknown variables at this point.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/why-is-the-world-economy-doomed-the-global-financial-pyramid-scheme-by-the-numbers

[T Smith]

We are a diverse community here, however the frequency of occurrence of socialist fear mongering on this forum is a little off-putting. I read through the text in the OP, however, based on the quality of it I have little mind to devote further time to reading more from this man.

“It is a plan for a one world Communist economy”

The author’s bias is lit up like a neon light with this bit of conservative demagoguery.


‘Based on the events in Cyprus, it should be quite clear to even the most vocal critic of the legitimacy of the information provided to me by my source within the DHS as published on this web site is no longer at issue.’

Does that sentence even make sense?



“The occupancy of Barack Hussein Obama”

Yes, his middle name is Hussein. It’s well you pointed that out, for the xenophobic contingent of your readership should respond positively to that, as I am sure you know.


‘from the controversy of his birth records to his college transcripts and even his social security number’

Why do conservatives so often fail to attack Obama on his murderous foreign policy (where he has actually had killed good people), yet so often go to great and elaborate lengths to destroy his legitimacy with weapons as polemically feeble as innuendo about his birth? It really is quite moronic. I suppose it is because, deep down, the same conservatives have a shame to hide and that is that their own past foreign policy (Vietnam, Iran, Libya, Cuba) are in direct alignment with Obama’s in the present.



‘chaos brought about by the economic collapse’

This US economic collapse has been the mainstay of internet-published conspiracy theories since 1999 (at the latest). I guess one of these days someone will be right by accident.


‘What happens when the middle class loses much of their wealth’

Well, I suppose they would then be, you know, “poor people”, those folk you’ve feared and hated your whole life.

Hello Tesseract,

I appreciate your perspective here, and while it's tempting to write this analysis off as conservative criticism of Barack Obama, (blah, blah, blah) in my estimation dismissing this discussion as "ideological bias" leaves us vulnerable to the right/left trap set for us by the very orchestrators of the ticking time bomb.

The fact is there is a global concentration of power afoot that resembles the emergence of collectivist world government. That this power structure is nascent, abstract, and not yet pronounced nor politically mature doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And regardless of how we choose to observe this development per our own unique ideological biases, the fact that we are moving toward a one-world government of sorts is not in dispute. It is well documented and but the evolution of current geopolitical developments well under foot. It don't think it's a fair assessment to write this off as "conspiracy theory."

It is also fine and well to pooh pooh the doom-and-gloom aspects of imminent economic collapse discussed by the OP. But again, the fact is, we are already amid a global economic collapse. This is a mathematical certainty and not a conspiracy theory. So, yes. One of these days someone peddling the various collapse scenarios will be correct, by default, because the fact is, the collapse is already afoot. The catastrophic aspects (bread lines, riots, marital law, etc.) may not happen for another ten or twenty years from now, and in this sense we may say that those stoking the flames of imminent collapse may be peddling fear. That said, anyone who dismisses these things outright does not fully understand the global economic reality, or if they do, they are in denial about it.

As far as Barack Obama goes, he may or may not be the manchurian candidate some have envisioned. This, I agree, is a conspiracy theory. Regardless, it should be very clear to any objective and sober observer not clouded by their emotional political investments that the President of the United States is indeed concealing his identity. You can't fault the OP for exploiting these facts. I don't presume to know why the President is concealing his identity, nor will I indulge in any of the conspiracy theories surrounding these facts. But it would be intellectually dishonest to say Barack Obama is not concealing his birth and college records. For whatever the reason, his duplicity in these issues only encourages the various conspiracy theories.

I'm not sure what to make of the various issues discussed in the OP. Will we see a collapse of the Euro in the ensuing weeks and then a collapse of the dollar shortly thereafter? I don't know. It may be a premature alarm. But I'm certainly not scoffing at this information. We should take the information very seriously, even if it does appear like ideological posturing.

[M6*]

Hi Bill,

It's wonderful to be back on Avalon in an active way. Part of my absence was due to planning for
a major move a little closer to "home" and part of it was due to tech problems (as par for the course
with me). I applied for a new password and for a while it didn't work ....but today it did. (?):-)

Now I see I have quite a bit of homework to do....so I shall try to give more time and attention to
your posts that I have missed. All this does make me wonder how many wars (of all kinds) we have
to endure before we "get it right", but then I am silly enough to somehow believe we can make a
difference for the sake of the good. Thanks again for all you do! M6*

[andrewgreen]

I don't believe it, we have been hearing the same thing for a long time with no real evidence to support it.

[Tesseract]

Regarding your response T-Smith, I found it on a Sunday, so I have the luxury of time to write a reply. I decided to go back through Hagmann’s comments in the OP and look for statements that might be labelled as information (rather than opinion, prediction). To that end, I selected the main present or past tense declarative statements in his piece. I reviewed them and did not come up with anything novel, with one questionable exception that I will get to. Some notes to summarise:

1) The overriding theory Hagmann is trying to spread is that there is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world communist economy.

2) The conspirators seek to destroy the US dollar and collapse the US economy in order to achieve point 1. [I dismiss this because as it relies on point 1 being true]

3) The US-dollar and global economy collapse has already begun. [Problems in Europe, yes, this is old news. I believe that a total US-dollar collapse is not currently in motion, but of course there are logical arguments for and against that it could happen soon]

4) Federal agents will be deployed on the streets to maintain order. [This possibility has always been, and always will be. But I do not agree that it will definitely happen in the near future.]

5) The sum of novel information in Hagmann’s text posted in the OP is zero or almost zero IMO. The only statement, taken at face value, that is notionally revealing (unless you believe the communist stuff) is the one about federal forces preparing for deployment on the streets of America. However I am being generous here, because the statement is not actually very explicit. ‘Final preparations’ implies, but does not commit to, imminent deployment. ‘Streets of America’ implies, but does not commit to a nationwide deployment. ‘Heavily armed’ implies, but does not commit to the use of tanks and machine gun nests etc... Of course, Hagmann is not the first to present the idea of an impending martial law type scenario but he tries to give it weight by quoting an anonymous source.

To respond more to your own comments:


[I]‘I appreciate your perspective here, and while it's tempting to write this analysis off as conservative criticism of Barack Obama, (blah, blah, blah) in my estimation dismissing this discussion as "ideological bias" leaves us vulnerable to the right/left trap set for us by the very orchestrators of the ticking time bomb.’

Logic and clear communication transcend ideology, if there were pearls of insight or revelation in his material I would be appreciative – regardless of his conservative stance. To illustrate, I always listened to Christopher Hitchens and often valued his material, despite his apostasy. Pearls are pearls and mud is mud. I write off facile, demagogic, ill-disciplined analysis simply because it is facile, demagogic and ill-disciplined.

Am I falling into a trap because I opposed the right-wing invasion of Iraq? Am I falling into a trap because I argue that oil money should be used to pay for people’s education and healthcare instead of Rolls Royces and gulf stream jets for oil executives? If there is any trap, it is the comfort of complacency.

‘The fact is there is a global concentration of power afoot that resembles the emergence of collectivist world government’


Collectivist world government? The gap between rich and poor has never been greater, we have never shared less. Resources are owned and hoarded not for the benefit of the people, but for the select few. Nations are being split apart – not coming together.

‘I don't think it's a fair assessment to write this off as "conspiracy theory."’

Yes, it is. It is perfectly fair to write off the idea of an impending global communist government - however I disagree on your choice of term, for to call this idea a conspiracy theory gives it more dignity than it deserves. If I were to call it something truly appropriate you'd only see a bunch of asterisks. Communists, socialists and peoples revolutionaries don’t get along too well with Monarchs, I refer you to the events of Russia 1917, England 1649, Libya 1969, France 1789 etc etc, so why would royal elites set up a global communist rule? They’d be the first to lose their privileges. The idea is absurd for other reasons too, as has been pointed out by other posters.

‘It is also fine and well to pooh pooh the doom-and-gloom aspects of imminent economic collapse discussed by the OP. But again, the fact is, we are already amid a global economic collapse.’

Economic collapse in the US is possible, I’m just not expecting it tomorrow. I know about Europe’s even more urgent problems completely independently of anything written by Hagmann.


‘the President of the United States is indeed concealing his identity’

I refer to my original statement on this matter.

‘Will we see a collapse of the Euro in the ensuing weeks and then a collapse of the dollar shortly thereafter? I don't know. It may be a premature alarm. But I'm certainly not scoffing at this information. We should take the information very seriously, even if it does appear like ideological posturing.’

I agree global economics should be taken seriously – it would be an assumption on your part if you think that my criticism of Hagmann’s text means that I don’t take global economics seriously. I also don’t know what will happen, although I am cognisant of some of the possibilities – we’re all speculators at this point.

[ThePythonicCow]

1) The overriding theory Hagmann is trying to spread is that there is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world communist economy. [I dismiss this, yes]
If I drop the word "communist", then what would you say to this: "There is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world economy." ?

[apokalypse]

"Cyprus limits ATM withdrawals to 100 euros per day"
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/cyprus-limits-atm-withdrawals-100-euros-per-day-5379683

after i saw that new article today and i do believe they really orchestrated for Economy to Collapse. Problem-reaction-Solution or Orion Model.

i wonder what's the next Episode going to be after Cyprus?

as i look at it right now is not the System or One World Government but more of the nature of human side full of egos and greed. Doesn't matter what kind of system you have but with those type then nothing will work.

[Tesseract]

1) The overriding theory Hagmann is trying to spread is that there is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world communist economy. [I dismiss this, yes]
If I drop the word "communist", then what would you say to this: "There is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world economy." ?

To an extent, the abolition of trade barriers and the creation of so called 'free trade' is a step in the direction of what one could label a one-world economy, if one so desired. The creation of a single global currency, its forced adoption, and the establishment of a globally omnipotent legislating body of elites complete with the policing power to enforce its economic will is not something I see as being on the horizon - although I can't say that their aren't a handful of deluded megalomaniacs who have this fantasy.

I believe it is important to deal with the urgent threats of US and European imperialism, what you might call the same type of evil on a lesser scale, for this horror is unfolding before our very eyes. That the US might collapse under the influence of a greater tyrant is not something I am patiently waiting for.

[Feren]

Hi all. My wife and I are about to start a bookstore in Madrid, Spain. Though we are aware of the so-called crisis, we still feel this is a right time to start something. We are planning to take a 60000 o 70000 euro loan in order to start our bussiness this summer. Do you think it is a bad idea? I hope I don't sound too selfish... I guess many people might be interested in reading your opinions about the convenience of doing this at this time.

[ruisatriani]

Well, apparently the president of the Eurogroup came to say that this strategy (Cyprus bail-out) represents a new model of rescuing the banks... THey are on a roll and pushing full blast for this!!!

[T Smith]

Regarding your response T-Smith, I found it on a Sunday, so I have the luxury of time to write a reply. I decided to go back through Hagmann’s comments in the OP and look for statements that might be labelled as information (rather than opinion, prediction). To that end, I selected the main present or past tense declarative statements in his piece. I reviewed them and did not come up with anything novel, with one questionable exception that I will get to. Some notes to summarise:

1) The overriding theory Hagmann is trying to spread is that there is an international conspiracy to establish a one-world communist economy.

2) The conspirators seek to destroy the US dollar and collapse the US economy in order to achieve point 1. [I dismiss this because as it relies on point 1 being true]

3) The US-dollar and global economy collapse has already begun. [Problems in Europe, yes, this is old news. I believe that a total US-dollar collapse is not currently in motion, but of course there are logical arguments for and against that it could happen soon]

4) Federal agents will be deployed on the streets to maintain order. [This possibility has always been, and always will be. But I do not agree that it will definitely happen in the near future.]

5) The sum of novel information in Hagmann’s text posted in the OP is zero or almost zero IMO. The only statement, taken at face value, that is notionally revealing (unless you believe the communist stuff) is the one about federal forces preparing for deployment on the streets of America. However I am being generous here, because the statement is not actually very explicit. ‘Final preparations’ implies, but does not commit to, imminent deployment. ‘Streets of America’ implies, but does not commit to a nationwide deployment. ‘Heavily armed’ implies, but does not commit to the use of tanks and machine gun nests etc... Of course, Hagmann is not the first to present the idea of an impending martial law type scenario but he tries to give it weight by quoting an anonymous source.

To respond more to your own comments:


[I]‘I appreciate your perspective here, and while it's tempting to write this analysis off as conservative criticism of Barack Obama, (blah, blah, blah) in my estimation dismissing this discussion as "ideological bias" leaves us vulnerable to the right/left trap set for us by the very orchestrators of the ticking time bomb.’

Logic and clear communication transcend ideology, if there were pearls of insight or revelation in his material I would be appreciative – regardless of his conservative stance. To illustrate, I always listened to Christopher Hitchens and often valued his material, despite his apostasy. Pearls are pearls and mud is mud. I write off facile, demagogic, ill-disciplined analysis simply because it is facile, demagogic and ill-disciplined.

Am I falling into a trap because I opposed the right-wing invasion of Iraq? Am I falling into a trap because I argue that oil money should be used to pay for people’s education and healthcare instead of Rolls Royces and gulf stream jets for oil executives? If there is any trap, it is the comfort of complacency.

‘The fact is there is a global concentration of power afoot that resembles the emergence of collectivist world government’


Collectivist world government? The gap between rich and poor has never been greater, we have never shared less. Resources are owned and hoarded not for the benefit of the people, but for the select few. Nations are being split apart – not coming together.

‘I don't think it's a fair assessment to write this off as "conspiracy theory."’

Yes, it is. It is perfectly fair to write off the idea of an impending global communist government - however I disagree on your choice of term, for to call this idea a conspiracy theory gives it more dignity than it deserves. If I were to call it something truly appropriate you'd only see a bunch of asterisks. Communists, socialists and peoples revolutionaries don’t get along too well with Monarchs, I refer you to the events of Russia 1917, England 1649, Libya 1969, France 1789 etc etc, so why would royal elites set up a global communist rule? They’d be the first to lose their privileges. The idea is absurd for other reasons too, as has been pointed out by other posters.

‘It is also fine and well to pooh pooh the doom-and-gloom aspects of imminent economic collapse discussed by the OP. But again, the fact is, we are already amid a global economic collapse.’

Economic collapse in the US is possible, I’m just not expecting it tomorrow. I know about Europe’s even more urgent problems completely independently of anything written by Hagmann.


‘the President of the United States is indeed concealing his identity’

I refer to my original statement on this matter.

‘Will we see a collapse of the Euro in the ensuing weeks and then a collapse of the dollar shortly thereafter? I don't know. It may be a premature alarm. But I'm certainly not scoffing at this information. We should take the information very seriously, even if it does appear like ideological posturing.’

I agree global economics should be taken seriously – it would be an assumption on your part if you think that my criticism of Hagmann’s text means that I don’t take global economics seriously. I also don’t know what will happen, although I am cognisant of some of the possibilities – we’re all speculators at this point.

Hi Tesseract,

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I think the crux of our discussion is a semantic one. I don't take too much stock in words like “right wing”, “left wing”, "communism", "capitalism", etc. Even when well defined these kinds of words are highly charged and attempt to reduce the complexity of social order into a very small box. More often these types of words are so abstract, vague and hackneyed that they mean different things to different people. Semantic deception, as George Orwell showed, can be a very clever technique to get people of common interests to disagree with each other or to subscribe to concepts at odds with their interests.

For example, what does the word "government" mean? The United States for all intents and purposes is a fascist government run and controlled by concentrated economic interests that have fused with the official government. Yet by a more conventional definition the United States is a Republic run and controlled by democratic representation of the people. These are radically differing forms of governments, yet people will discuss the same government, in the same conversation, using the same words, and vehemently disagree or agree with each other when at the core their viewpoints may be more or less aligned, respectively.

My understanding of "one-world government" does not look like a monarchy or some other conventional governmental structure with a ruler atop of a throne. It will not necessarily have a militant dictator or even a bevy of groveling and sycophantic senators sucking up to some supreme leader and/or vying for power to rule the world. The one world government I'm talking about is already in a nascent state. At its maturity, we will not see the borders of nation states necessarily erased off the map, nor will nation states officially abdicate full control of their regions and peoples to the technocratic machine of the bureaucratic hierarchy (so long as these nation states remain in line with the program). These are conventional understandings of government. What I’m talking about is an over-arching power structure that will control (essentially “govern”) the conventional governments, be they ceremonial or functional assets of this overarching power structure. This structure may be openly framed and formally structured or it may continue to exist behind the curtain, depending on the degree to which the people of the world lay down to it. Perhaps at the end of the day it will serve the interests of the ruling global government much better to remain behind the curtain, to balkanize and distract people in argument about whether global government even exists or is nothing but a “conspiracy theory.”

The bottom line: ever centralization of power on a global scale and concentrating economic interests are on a rampage to establish control over sovereign states and their resources, including human resources. This is happening. I can’t image any argument that could dispute these facts. Can we call this government? Yes. Again, what is government? Once these interests pervade all reaches of the globe, including all territories and any remaining rouge governments whose peoples and elected leaders retain delusions of liberty and freedom and/or self-determination, we will have one-world government. What do you think Anglo-American imperialism and the current wars are all about? In the simplest terms they are about paving the way for the full exploitation of the planet’s resources and full access to a global market governed by an oligarchy of elite interests.

Global government of this magnitude can be achieved only under the umbrella of a collectivist model based on Fabian socialism, where people of the world are rendered the resources of the State (so technically, the OP is off by dubbing this a communist plot). But it is a collectivist plot. People are not individuals with rights; they are human resources, to be employed as a sweat-shop employs labor. Interests of the State are paramount to the interests of the individual, and the individual belongs to the State. This is the cornerstone to all collectivist schemes. It has nothing to do with the well being or equality of the people (save for in doublespeak propaganda to sell the program to the people). Citizens of the world will be trained, not educated. Health care will be rationed, and the weak will be exterminated. These are not my opinions. This worldview is documented in the playbook of social engineers who plan on managing the human-resources class of the new world order (namely, the 99%). Even if one chooses not to subscribe to veracity of the Fabian game plan or wishes to write it off as “conspiracy theory” or fiction, one can advance a strong argument that it is nonetheless unfolding in time just as the Fabian Society grandly envisioned.

I agree with you that logic and clear communication should transcend ideology, but sometimes even logic and clear communication get stuck on semantic deception. You call the invasion of Iraq a right-wing invasion. Do you really believe that the United States would not have invaded Iraq if Al Gore were elected President in 2000, even though these plans were laid out and on the table by the military industrial complex well before 2000? Why has “right-wing” imperialism escalated under the auspices of a “left-wing” administration? These terms mean little to me. Of course a nation’s natural resources should be used to pay for its people’s education and healthcare instead of enriching the elite. But these are populist ideas, not right/left ideas, and certainly not ideas that suit the interests of a one-world global economy that views people as nothing but expendable resources to be exploited just as oil and land are natural resources to be exploited and expended. In other words, there is no real right/left in the world of government. Right/left is simply a philosophical continuum of populism that exists in the minds of people who believe they are represented in government.

When people believe their interests (whether right or left) are represented in government they also tend to condone their representative’s failures. The key is to make the people believe their interests are being represented. When their representatives fail to represent their interests, their leaders can blame their mutual opponents. When the opponents expose the weaknesses of the peoples’ representatives (whether right, left, or middle), the representative can call foul and claim the opponent is attacking what he or she stands for (namely the ideology), and not the representative who is clearly representing the interests of global-government overlords and not the people. This is a psyops. I consider the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s identity information and not opinion. But perhaps here we are treading territory that no amount of facts or evidence will ever resolve due to the dynamic described above.

I get your critique of the sensationalism here. And in some aspects I agree with you. I just think you may be throwing the baby out with the bathwater by dismissing the OP simply because his seemingly ideological semantics on global government don’t resonate with you.

Kind regards to you,
T Smith

[swoods_blue]

Without responding to any message in particular, let me offer a few thoughts on this thread as a whole.

My prespective is that the Hagmann info Bill cites in the original post is laced with alarmist rhetoric designed to appeal, primarily, to political conservatives, and it therefore feels more like a reactionary, anti-Obama, anti-Democrat screed than a genuinely useful and informative piece of wisdom. It is an emotional appeal; It doesn't contain any actual, specific information. This focus on semantics is important because semantics can be revealing: The writer shows a good deal of passion and fury, but also a deep entanglement in U.S. electoral politics and political rhetoric. To me, it raises questions of his discernment.

I believe we all agree that the events in Cyprus are alarming, yet the refusal of the Cypriots to be rolled is perhaps refreshing. So, while I agree that we need to be very vigilant about the rollout of a planned or controlled economic collapse as a vehicle for consolidating power and control, and as a means of undermining liberties, when someone is going to tell me they have insider information that "it has already begun," I would be looking for a great deal more substance.

T Smith says in post #64 here: "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater", which is sage advice. But I have to say that after looking pretty closely, all I see in the OP is muddy water. Where/what is the information of value?

[Jeffrey]

0g2JjdrtULI

I don't think I should have to necessarily say this, but ... listen through the religious rhetoric. Listen to the information.

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Surviving the coming collapse



By Douglas J. Hagmann

I have been accused of writing what some people call “doom porn,” or the “end of the world as we know it” type events that center around the collapse of our fiat monetary system. Most of these accusers are the people who follow the writing and ranting of the talking heads of corporate media who are shilling for the very people and governmental bodies that are responsible for putting us in the very position we find ourselves today.

To be clear, I’m merely an investigator and writer who, for the last 25 years of my career, developed certain contacts working within various levels of our government. I am a much better investigator than a financial expert, an indisputable fact documented by my own personal financial situation. I’m just an average guy with a family, just trying to make ends meet and make sense of it all. Thankfully, my contacts are much more knowledgeable, and it is from this collective group that I’ve tapped for their knowledge and understanding about what we are facing not only as a nation, but on a global scale. A few of my sources were actually present, in-country, during the collapse of the Soviet Union and other nations over the last quarter-century. I’ve interviewed these eyewitnesses to such cataclysmic economic events, and they have shared their accounts and advice that I am offering now.

While their accounts differ somewhat, there are identifiable common factors I’ve been able to amass from each. Hopefully, by sharing what I’ve learned and studiously researched will assist those with the common questions of what an economic collapse might look like and how we can protect ourselves from the events on the horizon. Please understand that nothing I write is to be construed as economic advice as I am far from having any qualifications in that venue. The information I provide is based on my own extensive research into this area of genuine concern.

As I’ve previously written, the majority of people believe that an economic collapse cannot or will not happen in America. Frankly, that’s exactly what I believed for the majority of my adult life, until I stopped listening to the people – the very architects of our upcoming and life-changing pain and suffering that is about to descend upon the “working class” in whatever country you reside.

It’s easy to be dismissive of such warnings as everything “appears” normal on the surface. In most areas, especially America, life continues to be relatively good as people continue to drive shiny new vehicles to their jobs, buy big ticket items and take nice vacations. Well, at least some people. But those with discernment “feel” different. We know that something is terribly wrong.

While others call us crazy, we’ve broken free from the spells of the talking heads who insist that we’re in “a recovery.” They are either the complicit facilitators of this illusion of normalcy, or the victims of “normalcy bias.” They either cannot comprehend that an economic collapse can happen, or have a stake in the outcome.

What follows will not address the merits of an argument for or against an “economic Armageddon,” but will attempt to answer two simple questions: what will a collapse of the U.S. dollar look like, and what can we, as normal and average people, do to best protect ourselves and our life’s work?

Based on my investigation, numerous interviews and hours upon hours of extensive research, one thing appears to be certain. The collapse of the U.S. dollar is a mathematical certainty, it merely a question of when. No one seems able to answer the timing aspect of such an event, although they all comfortably believe it will be sometime within the next 18-24 months at the “outside.” Quietly, however, they have murmured that they don’t think we have that much time.

Perhaps most important of all is the fact that a dollar collapse will have global ramifications. Simply put, it will bring down the entire economy of the world, so there won’t be anyplace to run to escape. Some places and areas will fare better than others, but it will still affect every civilized country on the planet.

Also of critical importance is the understanding that this is an “engineered” collapse, one that is designed to introduce a single global currency. (You know, the belief that has been identified as a domestic terror threat by DHS standards). It is unlikely that this global currency or economic reset will be instantaneous, however. There will exist a period of extreme chaos, uncertainty, and a level of suffering that has been never before seen. It is for this period that we must prepare.

There will be “bank runs” as people try to get their money out of their accounts before the digital figures present in your account – the balances you check frequently – disappear. As the economy of the world reels from this unprecedented event, chaos will become the norm as the unprepared will be panic buying, looting and pillaging. As days turn into weeks and perhaps months, people will be hungry and desperate. Essential services will suffer, and the very things we all take for granted will be strained until broken. Martial Law will become a reality to quell the angry masses who have been victimized by this controlled demolition of our economy. While some areas will fare better than others, no one will escape unscathed except the elite architects of this plan.

Perhaps this might explain the questions and controversy surrounding the bulk ammunition purchases by the U.S. DHS and other federal agencies, the para-militarization of state, county and local police, and military movements within the United States.

[...]

Based on information I’ve received from each source, the U.S. dollar will continue to hold some value, at least for a period of time. That is the actual currency you have in your pocket or safe at home, depending upon your station in life. Accordingly. I would have at least 1-3 months worth of currency on hand, in various denominations, as you should not expect to be able to use ATMs or make withdrawals from your bank or investment portfolio.

Next, I would be stocking up on food, water and other provisions in my pantry, at least enough for 3-6 months. Even if nothing happens, you’ll be saving money by purchasing today instead of a week or month from now based on the rising food prices. The same for other necessities, such as prescription medicine, fuel for your vehicle (if practical), and so on. You get the idea.

Another thing I would have on hand, as strange as this might sound, is liquor. If you don’t drink now, and don’t start during this time of crisis, it can be used for trade/barter with those that do. Also, it might come in handy for whatever temporary medicinal effects it might provide in a pinch.

I would also want to be able to defend what I’ve stored and possess, so I would be sure to have the means to do so. It is a reality that desperate people do desperate things, so being able to defend yourself and property is an unfortunate necessity.

But what about those who have already made such provisions? What to do with the extra money from your 401K or similar investment? If I had that “problem,” I would consider buying property where I could have the ability to be completely self-sufficient, such as buying a farm where I could raise my own crops and livestock. Too old, perhaps? As I see it, none of us are going to be able to get through what’s coming by ourselves. We’re going to need like-minded people with us to form a “network,” perhaps. Talk to other like-minded people and form such a network, even if you must go outside of your family to do so.

If that’s out of the question or you have the means, then I would invest in precious metals such as gold and silver. There are many professional economists who snickered with derision at people who invested in gold when it was at $300, $500 and even $1,000 an ounce, and when silver was at $10 an ounce. I would be certain to buy only from a reputable dealer, and always – always take physical possession of the commodity.

If you are just a normal, average person like me who, after doing your own careful research of our current state of affairs and refuse to rely on the so-called experts who are enslaving us and our future generations through unchecked spending, then you need to prepare. You need to quit listening to the very people who put us in our current financial predicament, realize that both political parties are responsible, and understand that the lie is bigger and more dangerous than you realized.

There are no “safe” banks, no “safe” investments, no pensions or investments that will remain unscathed, and nowhere to run to escape what’s coming. We have been set up as victims and what we are experiencing, and will experience in ways that few can comprehend, is the result of a deliberate plan devised long ago. Understanding and exposing it is an integral part of our fight, and we must fight so we can survive past it.

I’ll close with one last “assignment” for those who believe that I have completely taken leave of my senses. Simply look around you, and look at the state of our economy. Look at the “clueless” people who believe that this is some conspiratorial nonsense. Then do the math for yourself. Use the real financial numbers, not the numbers that are thrown out for public consumption by the carnival barkers on the financial news networks. Study history. Consider the real reasons our elected leaders want us disarmed, not the reasons you are told. Turn off the TV and begin to think for yourself. Pray, then prepare.

Source: http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7945#more-7945

See also: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57349-World-financial-affairs-coming-to-a-head-...-potentially-within-weeks&p=653726&viewfull=1#post653726

[sunflower]

I'd rather err on the side of being cautious and prepared. Thanks for the above transcript.

[swoods_blue]

To be clear: I'm not saying Hagmann is wrong. I'm saying that the warning which started this thread didn't resonate that well with me because it was laden with rhetoric, and I found it thin on specifics. Like I hear the bell ringing, so you have my attention. Now tell me something.

All that said, I continue to make my humble little preparations... :-)

[trenairio]

I don't believe this.

[Jeffrey]

Cross-posting from this important thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57349-World-financial-affairs-coming-to-a-head-...-potentially-within-weeks

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About a week ago, on Doug Hagmann's show, financial insider "V" stated that before the first big domino falls (Japan's economy) we would see a massive cyber attack on banks that would effect the world markets.

Here is what he said:


This is all a set up […] Before the big pop happens, you're going to see a massive bank hack […] That hack is going to wipe out a lot of accounts […] and they're going to play it off as some sort of [excuse to enforce?] a capital control.

Now, there is an issue surfacing that could end up matching what "V" had stated last week. We know it has affected online banking (and the internet in general), but it's not over yet and we're not sure to what degree it will affect banking (i.e. just slow connections with online banking, or actually hacking bank accounts).

See this thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57443-Cyber-attack-in-Europe

See also: The Nato bunker deep in Netherlands forest where hackers 'almost brought down world's internet in biggest every cyber-attack' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2299999/REVEALED-The-Nato-bunker-deep-Netherlands-forest-hackers-brought-worlds-internet-biggest-cyber-attack.html)

This is something to watch.

[RMorgan]

Cross-posting from this important thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57349-World-financial-affairs-coming-to-a-head-...-potentially-within-weeks

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About a week ago, on Doug Hagmann's show, financial insider "V" stated that before the first big domino falls (Japan's economy) we would see a massive cyber attack on banks that would effect the world markets.

Here is what he said:


This is all a set up […] Before the big pop happens, you're going to see a massive bank hack […] That hack is going to wipe out a lot of accounts […] and they're going to play it off as some sort of [excuse to enforce?] a capital control.

Now, there is an issue surfacing that could end up matching what "V" had stated last week. We know it has affected online banking (and the internet in general), but it's not over yet and we're not sure to what degree it will affect banking (i.e. just slow connections with online banking, or actually hacking bank accounts).

See this thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57443-Cyber-attack-in-Europe

See also: The Nato bunker deep in Netherlands forest where hackers 'almost brought down world's internet in biggest every cyber-attack' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2299999/REVEALED-The-Nato-bunker-deep-Netherlands-forest-hackers-brought-worlds-internet-biggest-cyber-attack.html)

This is something to watch.


Hey my brother,

Actually, the SpamHaus attack was a denial of service (DDoS) attack.

A massive bank hack that could literally wipe out accounts is another completely different thing, and requires considerably bigger hacking skills.

So, I wouldn´t take it as a sign.

Besides, SpamHaus actually deserved it, since it constantly puts legit websites in its spam blacklist and then requests money to clear them. They are douchebags.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

Cross-posting from this important thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57349-World-financial-affairs-coming-to-a-head-...-potentially-within-weeks

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About a week ago, on Doug Hagmann's show, financial insider "V" stated that before the first big domino falls (Japan's economy) we would see a massive cyber attack on banks that would effect the world markets.

Here is what he said:


This is all a set up […] Before the big pop happens, you're going to see a massive bank hack […] That hack is going to wipe out a lot of accounts […] and they're going to play it off as some sort of [excuse to enforce?] a capital control.

Now, there is an issue surfacing that could end up matching what "V" had stated last week. We know it has affected online banking (and the internet in general), but it's not over yet and we're not sure to what degree it will affect banking (i.e. just slow connections with online banking, or actually hacking bank accounts).

See this thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57443-Cyber-attack-in-Europe

See also: The Nato bunker deep in Netherlands forest where hackers 'almost brought down world's internet in biggest every cyber-attack' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2299999/REVEALED-The-Nato-bunker-deep-Netherlands-forest-hackers-brought-worlds-internet-biggest-cyber-attack.html)

This is something to watch.


Hey my brother,

Actually, the SpamHaus attack was a denial of service (DDoS) attack.

A massive bank hack that could literally wipe out accounts is another completely different thing, and requires considerably bigger hacking skills.

So, I wouldn´t take it as a sign.

Besides, SpamHaus actually deserved it, since it constantly puts legit websites in its spam blacklist and then requests money to clear them. They are douchebags.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hola mi hermano,

When I read it, I imagined it being some sort of smokescreen for DNS cache poisoning or something like that. I have an active imagination.

Spamhaus wasn't the only company that suffered. Scottish and Russian companies both experienced similar attacks, but nobody really knows for sure the extent of what's happened (or if it's related for sure). Yes, it does look like it's merely a large DDoS attack in retaliation.

The dust is still settling.

[turiya]

Clif High's Take on Doug Hagmann's Intel Insider

The link will take you to the 18m:15s mark where Clif gets into the meat of this particular Douglas Hagmann topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKyH3j6gNww#t=18m15s

Full 01-Apr-2013 Clif High Wujo, concerning Doug Hagmann, Cyprus, Data Holes Merging, Bitcoins, Hyperinflation, Foster Gamble Rant, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKyH3j6gNww#t=18m15s
Couple Notes:
-Clif discounts Douglas Hagmann as an emotional propaganda 'alarmist'.
-Since the dollar, which came into existence in the early 1900's, is a tool of the Federal Reserve to control the population, then the 'death of the dollar' would be a tool that the 'Fed' can no longer use any more against us.

Take it for what its worth...
turiya :cool:

[Lost Soul]

For anyone who doubts the demise of the dollar consider the following:

1) Quantitative Easing #1 & #2. They tripled the amount of US dollars without a corresponding increase in production.

2) Quantiative Easing #3 Ad Infintum & #4. Together they create over $85 billion more US dollars monthly or over $1 trillion annually.

3) Death of the Petro-dollar. When Tricky Dick took the US off the gold standard, the Petro Dollar emerged to keep the US dollar in its place as the World's Reserve Currency. Last year Rusdia produced more oil than Saudi Arabia. Last year Russia agreed to sell China all the oil it wants and to accept the yuan as payment. In fact, all trade between them do not involve the dollar.

4) most Asian nations do not use the dollar or SWIFT when they trade.

5) Germany, Canada and Australia don't use the dollar when it trades with China.

6) BRICS don't use the dollar when they trade among themselves. Now the BRICS are talking about a new reserve currency.

7) IRan accepts rupees from India, Yuan from China and gold from Turkey for its oil.

Clearly the dollar has fallen from favor and the QEs don't help. Thank you Osama Bin Ber Nank.

[K626]

I personally don't think it's imminent, but more on-going. Cyprus is really small but in certain ways it might be the 'canary in the coal mine'. It's pretty clear that the 'big boys' took their money out months in advance as the latest revelations show and that other 'monies' was moved around and data erased...The acid test was to see a) How the local population reacted and b) What the rest of Europe had to say about it...They got away with it more or less and the elites have tested the mechanism. The big question is wether they will apply it to say Portugal or Spain?

The currencies will be kept going (notice Germany is re-patriating its gold?) till the carbon trading/carbon credits has taken stronger root as I feel that this will be the 'soft army' of the new supra-wide legislation, laws, cross border intervention and basically punishing countries that don't play ball and a little further down the line the citizens. Logically the ideal set up for more mass control across nations will be to issue each nation with credits (I **** you not) and then each nation will allocate those credits to public services and citizens. Controlling a supply of credits of course means no inflation and ultimate control of a states soverignty....This I imagine is what the elite and the EU and the folks who live in tax havens (only the poor pay tax) dream about as they cuddle up in their branded jim jams.

Are we heading for a financial and economic crash?

Yes.

When?

Soon. :)

love

K

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To be clear: I'm not saying Hagmann is wrong. I'm saying that the warning which started this thread didn't resonate that well with me because it was laden with rhetoric, and I found it thin on specifics. Like I hear the bell ringing, so you have my attention. Now tell me something.

All that said, I continue to make my humble little preparations... :-)

Obama has created more debt than Bush and Bush created more debt than all previous presidents combined.


love

K

[edina]

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April 5: 2013: According to insider military and intelligence sources, the Obama regime is preparing a pre-emptive strike against the missiles located on the east coast of North Korea posing a threat to regional and global stability. But what is this all about? Not what you might think.

[edina]

Of course, this isn't all about Obama,
you would have to have a very short term memory
to believe that this chess game began only in the recent Obama regime,

See all the nations involved as a pawns in the multi-dimensional chess game
or as set pieces to a drama centuries in the making....

How are people preparing to deal with the fallout of this particular theater?

And again, how are you planning to help yourself and others through the drama....????

Heads up, eyes open, heart vigilant.... inner calm

[edina]

And from the MSM, Aol newsfeed....

Pentagon Delays Major Plan Amid North Korea Tension (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/06/pentagon-missile-test_n_3030029.html)

for a balanced view of the game board... LOL :rolleyes:

[sygh]

Thanks Bill it all sounds familier with what has been happening particularly since
1990 and the fall of the Berlin wall, and makes sence of the thread I put up just
now from David Ickes site...


Assault Weapons Ban Dropped from Senate Gun Bill // Congressmen Demand DHS Explain 1.6 Billion Bullets Purchase

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57143-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Dropped-from-Senate-Gun-Bill-Congressmen-Demand-DHS-Explain-1.6-Billion-Bullets-Purchase&p=651220#post651220

Cheers steve..


DHS Refuses to Answer Congress on 1.6 Billion Bullet Purchase
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Published on 19 Mar 2013

Follow Luke @ http://www.twitter.com/LukeWeAreChange
At CPAC, Luke Rudkowski interviewed Congressman Timothy Huelscamp on his
decision to vote against the NDAA which was due to the unconstitutionality of the
indefinite detention provision. They also discussed Obama's Disposition Matrix and
the large ammunition purchases made by the DHS.

We've known this for years. We've watched the whole thing WWIII unfold like a banner. We've watched as the U.S. has been sold to the highest bidder, as so many other countries have also experienced. And why should DHS answer to OUR OWN GOVERNMENT and the American people? They don't answer to our government or the American people because they ARE the Royal Guard, whether they know it or not.

Americans don't want to fight their own because they've been fighting so many others for years. DHS offered jobs after 2003, and they were there to take up the slack in 2008, weren't they, DHS is now an American establishment. But what have they accomplished? We now have a military state but our infrastructure is in a shambles. Will it be brother against brother in arms?

Americans were rallied behind a false 9/11 flag and mom's apple pie. You mean there is no apple pie? You mean our flag doesn't "yet still wave?" That is what the American people would have had to come to grips with and those running the show knew it! And we knew they knew it, and so on, and so forth to ad nausea. How stupid is stupid, and in what context? Gump was right, "stupid is as stupid does" and we are seeing and participating in allot of stupid stuff! In one fell swoop, our actual military has been degraded under false pretenses. Our own military against who, DHS? DHS is us? Disarm the public. What the?

Don't forget the Christians, there's something for everybody... Agenda 21. Christians are like deer in the headlights in the throws of living Revelation spurred on by a U.S. President openly saying to the world, ...'No, I am not the savior, as some would believe.' Is it Armageddon? It smells like it, tastes like it, looks like it, and feels like it. Has the U.S. turned its collective back on God? If the dollar collapses, will the nation, as a people, do the same? Should they? What would be best? What way does one go when others control the game and know almost your every move? Cat and mouse? Are Christians looking for martyrs? I've literally heard that question, along with how many others?

These are the "Days of God", just as every day is a day God brings to us. Our young people, and so many, many others in the world have died, and are still dying for???????? WHAT? ...a UN based Global Cabal? Do you hear the hatred across the world? Do you hear the despair? Has anyone taken the time to look at places like the Darfur detainment/displacement camps located in the middle of the desert, or the countless other camps for refugees?

But the players of the game are tiring of their stale mate; the armies are gathering at the gate. And we know what we know, what we know. And we sit, and we wait for the knock on the door.

I'm sorry for editing but I have to finish my thought, and I'm trying like all get out to be understood...

In the mean time, a poverty stricken young woman aspiring to decent but simple life as a beautician is forced to sell herself in some smelly filthy brothel on some side street in Liberia so, she sits drugged out on heroin, speaking the English language better than some in the states calling out for what she wants. "Give me what I want!', she says. In the same area in which she lives, cannibalism is being practiced allot more often. In fact, it was routine for young men to kill an innocent baby and drink its blood before going into battle and, of course, eating their enemies. To me, this is the face of Global Governance; the tower is simply too lofty, and the pit too deep. If this weren't real, it would be fear mongering but it is real and we are going to have to face it and DO something about it.

I don't know what to do about it, what are our choices and what are we afraid of? I know what I'm afraid of, I'm terrified of what anarchy would bring. The streets of Liberia are literally the walking dead. I cry for the children; we are all children. I know the same thing could happen anywhere in the world.

This is why I embrace environmental sustainability with all of my spirit.

[Jeffrey]

From: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

[Doug Hagmann]: How soon do you see things taking place?

[Rosebud]: They already are in motion. If you’re looking for a date I can’t tell you. Remember, the objectives are the same, but plans, well, they adapt. They exploit. Watch how this fiscal cliff thing plays out. This is the run-up to the next big economic event.

I can’t give you a date. I can tell you to watch things this spring. Start with the inauguration and go from there. Watch the metals. When they dip, it will be a good indication that things are about to happen.

That interview was from last December. I think it's safe to say metals are dipping now, and it is springtime.

Gold selloff intensifies, falls to $1,383 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2013/04/15/gold-prices-tumble/2083537/)

Gold Extends Bear-Market Plunge Below $1,400 (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-15/gold-extends-bear-market-losses-as-investors-reduce-etp-holdings.html)

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/GBX_HILO_90DAY_BIG.PNG

http://www.infomine.com/ChartsAndData/GraphEngine.ashx?z=f&gf=110575.USD.oz&dr=1m

[ThePythonicCow]

I can’t give you a date. I can tell you to watch things this spring. Start with the inauguration and go from there. Watch the metals. When they dip, it will be a good indication that things are about to happen.

That interview was from last December. I think it's safe to say metals are dipping now, and it is springtime. Good connection ... it's definitely spring, and the metals are definitely dipping!

[ThePythonicCow]

The market summary over at stockcharts.com (http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/marketsummary.html) is solid red (for down), except for (1) the US Dollar holding steady, (2) the Japanese Yen rising a little, (3) volatility (VIX) is up sharply, and (4) the short term trading index (TRIN) is as typical up strongly on a strong down day. Seldom do I see such a consistency on that page.

[ThePythonicCow]

Two more articles on ZeroHedge finding that the current gold and stock market fluctuations strongly resemble the early stages of previous crashes (or major central bank interventions staving off a crash) in the subprime collapse of 2006, Lehman's collapse in 2008, and the escalation of the Euro crisis in Sept 2011:

Gold's VIX Term Structure 'Most Inverted' Since Lehman (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-15/golds-vix-term-structure-most-inverted-lehman)
What Happened The Last Time We Saw Gold Drop Like This? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-15/what-happened-last-time-we-saw-gold-drop)

Something is up (or about to come down) ...

[Mulder]

Max Keiser said there's only 1 billion oz (160,000 tons) of Gold above ground in the world (Episode 347 of Keiser Report at 8min mark). So who is big enough to own the 500 tons that was dumped on the market last Friday (according to Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/04/13/assault-on-gold-update-paul-craig-roberts/)) Answer: probably only the IMF or illuminati

This is evidence TPTB are manipulating the Gold price.

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[Abovelet ©]

These greedy elites will prop this system up for as long as they can everywhere possible.....they are having way too much fun stealing everything from every body....there's still a lot more "loot" for the taking in my opinion....

PS: It'll really get interesting when at the very top they start stealing from each other and start knocking each other off.....(even those at the very top have spoiled and greedy children that they can't control).

Very True

And I will also say to those who have had no act or part to play in this organized global mayhem, 'We Have Nothing To Worry About' :cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

Max Keiser said there's only 1 billion oz (160,000 tons) of Gold above ground in the world (Episode 347 of Keiser Report at 8min mark). So who is big enough to own the 500 tons that was dumped on the market last Friday (according to Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/04/13/assault-on-gold-update-paul-craig-roberts/)) Answer: probably only the IMF or illuminati
No one dumped 500 tons of actual gold on the market three weeks ago.

They sold future options ... such as selling contracts that gave the buyer the right to purchase gold at a certain future date for a set price (a low price.)

They sold something they likely did not have, and couldn't deliver if they tried. They don't care. The market is corrupt, and they are the corrupt one's controlling it.

Anyone who had a stop loss on their paper gold holdings between about $1540 per ounce and $1360 per ounce got forced out of their position. Anyone who bought a call option on gold for some what less than $1540 per ounce ended up wasting their money, as the option will likely become worthless. Similarly anyone who sold a put option for somewhat less than $1540 per ounce risks eating the loss, when the option closes and they have to accept that (paper) gold they agreed to purchase, for an above market price. Since put and call options are usually sold on margin, the seller of the put option likely also got a call from the margin clerk -- cough up more margin immediately, or we start liquidating your holdings.

When you're playing against the house, and the house can see all the cards but you can't, and the house owns the town, its courts and regulators, and newspapers, and the house is deeply corrupt, and the house is running scared ... you lose. If you're more skilled than average, you might arrange to lose your shirt before losing your pants, instead of the reverse.

[ThePythonicCow]

Max Keiser said there's only 1 billion oz (160,000 tons) of Gold above ground in the world (Episode 347 of Keiser Report at 8min mark). So who is big enough to own the 500 tons that was dumped on the market last Friday (according to Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/04/13/assault-on-gold-update-paul-craig-roberts/)) Answer: probably only the IMF or illuminati

No one dumped 500 tons of actual gold on the market three weeks ago.
Joseph P. Farrell disagrees with me ... and I suspect he's right (as usual.)

See Farrell's latest update to his blog: NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM MAY 9 2013 (http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/05/news-and-views-from-the-nefarium-may-9-2013/). Farrell continues to take the position that there is a vast system of hidden finance in place, since the second World War, making use of the gold taken from the Nazi's and the Japanese, who in turn vacuumed up as much gold as they could from China, during their 1937-1945 invasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War).

Farrell speculates that there is perhaps an order of magnitude more above ground gold than any official figures recognize, and that we are seeing more of this gold being laundered and put into play, with operations such as this. He further speculates that this vast system of hidden finance is now coming unraveled.

What prompted this latest update from Farrell is a link to the following article by Darryl Robert Schoon, sent to Farrell by a reader: Gold: Who's Selling Who's Buying Who's Lying (http://www.321gold.com/editorials/schoon/schoon050913.html)

Farrell doesn't actually speculate as to whether physical gold, or just paper gold, was immediately behind the massive hit on the gold market Friday, April 12, 2013, and the following Monday, but he does quote Darryl Robert Schoon quoting Patrick Heller concluding that 500 tons of physical gold was behind a similar such hit on the gold market, in March 6, 2009, and he (Farrell) does contend that there is real physical gold, substantially more than officially recognized, behind all the short selling, market manipulation, and other schemes being used by some of the bastards in power both to fund their covert operations and very black projects, and for controlling the world monetary system. Technically, the April 2013 attack on the price of gold was carried out by first selling 100 tons of the June future contract on COMEX, then selling another 300 tons a couple hours later, as explained here, on Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-15/gold-crush-started-400-ton-friday-forced-sale-comex). 400 tons of gold would cost about $20 Billion. Futures contracts are traded on margin, so to sell this much would require (if playing by the rules) putting up $1 Billion in margin, which is peanuts for these guys.

[Carmody]

What about when making gold is a joke and of trivial complexity and cost?

What does that say about all this manipulation?

[Mulder]

Yes, I forgot to say it was "paper gold" that was dumped on the market - I'll be more specific in future.


As a end-note: it's clear to me there will be no sudden market crash this month (ie, gold market, share market, etc) as the illuminati will continue to keep the economy going as it is now for at least the next few months before it deteriorates further....

[ThePythonicCow]

Max Keiser said there's only 1 billion oz (160,000 tons) of Gold above ground in the world (Episode 347 of Keiser Report at 8min mark). So who is big enough to own the 500 tons that was dumped on the market last Friday (according to Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/04/13/assault-on-gold-update-paul-craig-roberts/)) Answer: probably only the IMF or illuminati

No one dumped 500 tons of actual gold on the market three weeks ago.

They sold future options ...

Yes, I forgot to say it was "paper gold" that was dumped on the market - I'll be more specific in future.

Your detailed comments about how tons of physical gold was above ground, and who might have that much tonnage of gold led me to presume that you were asking who was big enough to own the 500 tons of physical gold that was dumped :).

[ThePythonicCow]

Max Keiser said there's only 1 billion oz (160,000 tons) of Gold above ground in the world (Episode 347 of Keiser Report at 8min mark). So who is big enough to own the 500 tons that was dumped on the market last Friday (according to Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/04/13/assault-on-gold-update-paul-craig-roberts/)) Answer: probably only the IMF or illuminati
No one dumped 500 tons of actual gold on the market three weeks ago.

They sold future options ... such as selling contracts that gave the buyer the right to purchase gold at a certain future date for a set price (a low price.)

They sold something they likely did not have, and couldn't deliver if they tried. They don't care. The market is corrupt, and they are the corrupt one's controlling it.
Another element of the manipulation that crashed the price of paper gold over the weekend of April 12-15, 2013. "They" shut down buy orders on the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) during a critical phase in the take down. Once the price broke down to about $1495/ounce, the major gold bullion players who might wanted to have purchase gold at the lowest priced since June 2011 could not buy gold -- their computer screens would freeze if they tried to buy. They could only sell. The "sell screens" were not frozen, only the "buy screens". This was on Friday, April 12, when the "price" of gold was driven down from $1543 to $1483, taking out many of the stops (automatic sell orders issued if gold went below what was thought to be the "floor", around $1495/ounce.)

If the major players who want to be buy more of something can only sell, not buy, then the price is going down, down, down ...

This rather resembles "elections" where polling places close early or have malfunctions, in areas where more of the "wrong" kind of voter resides. It is corrupt to the core.

Then over the weekend, many "investors" in gold options, working on margin, needed to cover anticipated margin calls. Margin calls occur when the brokerage notices you no longer have enough on deposit, at present prices, to cover margin requirements. When an investor gets a margin call, they have to deposit more collateral in their brokerage account immediately, or else the brokerage starts selling what's in the account, until margin requirements are met.

This margin activity further suppressed the paper price of gold, which would fall further, to $1353/ounce, the following Monday, April 15. Roughly $200/ounce was taken off the price of gold, in those two trading days.

The details of this take down, and the source of my comments above, is How the Gold Market was Crashed ( Bill Downey, GoldTrends.net, April 12, 2013) (http://www.goldtrends.net/FreeDailyBlog?mode=PostView&bmi=1267250). For gold prices, I used BullionVault's Gold Price Chart (http://www.bullionvault.com/gold-price-chart.do).

[Lifebringer]

Paul if you have gold, have it chiseled down to pieces because you certainly won't have an extended line of credit on atm or banking machines, so you would have to wonder how you will spend or use it. Just saying, it's gonna get hectic and you'll need smaller sums so as not to draw people to you. Just thinking about those who are not aware of their behaviors when shtf, or how to survive, but they know about taking, robbing, harming, so please be very careful and perhaps think about having someone coin or make mini gold bars about an inch and store them in socks and coffee cans/plastic containers.

I always wondered how those who buy gold would use it in a time of crisis, without someone running their mouth about where it came from. Perhaps take some and buy silver and bar it.

They have been slicing the bars down in chunks because "CheneyPeople" filling it with lead or other metals instead of the whole bar, so it might be wise to think about what I said above and be safe Paul.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul if you have gold ...

The main reason I watch the gold and silver markets, amongst a variety of economic matters, is to know when to stock up on rice and beans.

My one ounce silver coin is now worth about $22 ... so no need to hack it into itsy bitsy pieces :).

===

I used to have more invested in precious metals, and other stuff. I basically made the decision, some five years ago now, to retire early and spend down my savings. I had spent much time over many years studying economics and investing, as one of my hobbies while living a fancier life in Silicon Valley. I was even a student in the Department of Economics at the University of North Texas for a week in 2009, until unrelated circumstances led me to withdraw.

Now studying finance, economics, markets and such is just one of the easy (for me) and enjoyable enough ways that I can track the progress of the stinky brown stuff and the rotating ventilator blades, as they approach final collision, leading to escape velocity.

[sdv]

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Posted by Doug Hagmann, 18 March 2013:

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7978


PDF: http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_update_18_March_2013_It_Has_Begun.pdf

Previous articles (very important reading):


http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_Obamas_cyber_warriors_and_preparing_for_collapse_6_Feb_2013.pdf
http://projectavalon.net/The_latest_from_DHS_Insider_Part_2_Doug_Hagmann_24_Dec_2012.pdf
http://projectavalon.net/The_latest_from_DHS_Insider_Part_1_Doug_Hagmann_23_Dec_2012.pdf






DHS insider update: “It has begun”


Much like my high-level source within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security outlined in a series of interviews beginning last year, the orchestrated collapse of the U.S. dollar and the entire world’s economic system has begun. The first shots in a global economic take-over were fired in Cyprus as my esteemed colleague and founding editor of Canada Free Press, Judi McLeod laid out in frank detail in her column (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53818) yesterday. Please read it and heed her advice, or suffer the consequences of your own normalcy bias that such an event will not happen in the United States, Canada, or from wherever you might be reading this. It will, and the plan appears to be on schedule for a shot across the bow later this spring here in the West, with a more aggressive take-over starting sometime this fall, according to my source.

The Plan

To those needing a quick refresher, the plan is quite simple and can be summarized by the Clinton-era quip attributed to political strategist James Carville, “the economy, stupid” and the June 9, 2010 statement by former Obama czar Van Jones, Socialist extraordinaire, “top down, bottom up, inside out.” It is a plan for a one world Communist economy where the “middle class” will be wiped out through a series of events that will have the same ultimate effect as we are seeing in present day Cyprus.

Based on the events in Cyprus, it should be quite clear to even the most vocal critic of the legitimacy of the information provided to me by my source within the DHS as published on this web site is no longer at issue. The U.S. dollar, the backbone of world currencies and the proverbial firewall preventing the erosion of our national sovereignty, is the ultimate target of a takedown by the global banking interests controlled by a handful of banks and families of the “royal elite.”

The plan for a global currency or a one world economic order is a matter that transcends political parties. Those who continue to argue in the Republican-Democrat meme are doing nothing more than providing entertainment to distract people from the real issue, that of the global elite versus the rest of us. The top of the pyramid in this Ponzi scheme is filled with members of both U.S. political parties who are systematically pillaging us and our future generations into financial debt, bondage and slavery. It is a plan that has been in the works for centuries. The problem, however, is that we have been conditioned not to think that big. Yet, the lie is that big.

The parties

Our current financial situation was not bred out of incompetence, but by design. The occupancy of Barack Hussein Obama as the putative President of the United States was a plan in the making long ago, to usher in this oppressive system where we will be left at the mercy of the global ruling class. It is not by accident that we have been prevented from knowing exactly who this man is, from the controversy of his birth records to his college transcripts and even his social security number. Contrary to what the state-controlled media wants you to believe, these questions have never been answered with any measure of authenticity.

For example, does anyone honestly believe that it is merely a coincidence that Obama’s alleged mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, just happened to work with Timothy Geithner’s father, Peter Geithner, at the Ford Foundation in Indonesia? Is it reasonable to believe that the Republican party had no knowledge of the background of Barack Hussein Obama? Yet not one word from the Republican establishment as they not only watched, but facilitated the takeover of the United States from within. As I’ve written before, our nation is a captured operation.

The plan was set into motion long ago, stemming back to the founding of the United States and the temporary resistance to the central banking system. In 1913, the creation of the Federal Reserve set the countdown clock in motion for the complete subjugation of the United States to the interests of the global bankers and the global elite. The secret supra-governmental cabals such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission worked behind the scenes, under the cover provided by the complicit media, to bring us to this point in history. Perpetual wars were induced to occupy the masses while the chess pieces were placed into their current positions. We are now about to pay the price for our inability or unwillingness to confront the establishment and incremental advancements leading to our own demise.

DHS source: Everything is not “coming up roses”

According to the most recent information provided to me from my source within the Department of Homeland Security known as “Rosebud,” the final preparations are being made to deploy heavily armed federalized forces onto the streets of America. They will be deployed under the pretext of “restoring and maintaining order from the chaos brought about by the economic collapse,” adding that “many will demand and embrace their deployment on the streets of America. They will get what they ask for, and more.“

Much like the security theater we have seen following the attacks of 9/11, we will be subjected to the jack-booted control of a federal army whose allegiance is not to the American people, but to the very architects of the chaos.

“This is the reason that drones are flying over U.S. cities and farmland, and gun control legislation is on the fast track for complete implementation,” stated this source. “How can people look at the situation in Cyprus and not think it won’t happen here? It will, and the blowback will be unlike this country has ever seen. Surveillance, disarming the public, and conditioning the people to believe it’s for their own safety is and has been part of the plan all along. Anyone owing a gun will be demonized and described as contributing to the problem.”

“What happens when the middle class loses much of their wealth, or it is confiscated, by the stroke of a pen or a keyboard? What will the stores look like when people, unprepared due to the damn lies of the corporate media and the shills for the ruling elite, run to empty out everything they can get their hands on as the world, as they know it, collapses around them?”

It was during my most recent contact with my source yesterday that he admitted that the situation will be blamed not on the bankers and the elected leaders who are raping us of our wealth and buying power, but on “right-wing, gun-toting Conservative ‘militia’ groups who believe that the situation is orchestrated.” And, of course, it is orchestrated.

“There is no Republican-Democrat argument to be made anymore. It’s all political theater to keep the majority of the masses occupied while the true enemy has already captured both parties,” he added. “They are all in on it, either knowingly or unwittingly, the takeover, that is. And it’s getting harder to believe that there are any who are unwitting accomplices at this point.”

“When the curtain is pulled back to reveal the true agenda of a single digital world currency, the people who have been yelling the loudest about such ‘conspiracy theories’ will be specifically singled out and demonized. They will be blamed for causing the panic we will see, and of course, dealt with by the army we asked for, accepted and even tolerated.”

Anyone who still believes that the information provided by this insider is “doom porn” or some self-created fantasy need to look at the events taking place in Cyprus. It’s coming to America. It has already begun.

As much as I am repulsed by Doug Hagmann's sharing of his bigoted beliefs and rejection of homosexuals, and as much as I dismiss and regard as stupid his 'Cold War' prejudices and fear of communism, et al, he did warn that something major was going to happen (read his article and dig down for the information buried beneath his personal prejudices), and then Edward Snowden appeared.

I wonder if, perhaps, there were inside people who saw what Snowden was doing and kept quiet, and perhaps even surreptitiously protected and enabled him?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

As much as I am repulsed by Doug Hagmann's sharing of his bigoted beliefs and rejection of homosexuals, and as much as I dismiss and regard as stupid his 'Cold War' prejudices and fear of communism, et al, he did warn that something major was going to happen (read his article and dig down for the information buried beneath his personal prejudices), and then Edward Snowden appeared.

I wonder if, perhaps, there were inside people who saw what Snowden was doing and kept quiet, and perhaps even surreptitiously protected and enabled him?


Good post. It seems Doug is also against abortions (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/8811)too.
But.... Discard the messenger if you have to but not the message. I still think the insider stuff is important and will do my best to ignore his outdated fear based views. I have all the insider stuff saved on my mac.

[Mulder]

........................................


As a end-note: it's clear to me there will be no sudden market crash this month (ie, gold market, share market, etc) as the illuminati will continue to keep the economy going as it is now for at least the next few months before it deteriorates further....

Today is 16th Sept 13 and there has been no major crash on the sharemarket, or US$. It looks like my evaluation is correct and the economy will be kept going as it is for a long time in the future. Don't be scared by predictions of crashes...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Just a heads up for Conspiracy watchers...

Center for Disease control just furloughed 8754 workers for the government shutdown...

civil unrest, FEMA in motion and now, with a rumored false flag bio attack in the works, we lose CDC... considered non essential employees...

[tayer82]

Thankyou Bill, there is so much doom and gloom info out there which is aok with me as long as its accurate because i want to be prepared. The government try to put scare tactics out there so we will turn to them for help "PLEASE let us in to your fema camp!"

Mostly I feel that I don't know what to believe, so to know that I am correct in stocking up on essentials is peace of mind that im not crazy. Plus you cant ignore a strong gut feeling that trouble is coming and i'm from Australia.

Thanks a bunch.

[ThePythonicCow]

A couple of months later, Doug Hagmann has just posted what he says is the last "official" report from his insider, Rosebud.

From DHS insider gives final warning (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10236):



27 December 2013: Under the cover and amid the distraction of the Christmas bustle, I had my last “official” contact with a source inside the Department of Homeland Security known as “Rosebud” in my writings. My source is leaving his position, retiring along with numerous others choosing to leave this bureaucratic monstrosity. For this contact, my source took unprecedented measures to be certain that our contact was far off the radar of prying government eyes and ears. I was stunned at the lengths he employed, and even found myself somewhat annoyed by the inconvenience that his cloak-and-dagger approach caused. It was necessary, according to my source, because all department heads under FEMA and DHS are under orders to identify anyone disclosing any information for termination and potential criminal prosecution.

“DHS is like a prison environment, complete with prison snitches,” he said, referring to the search for leaks and leakers. And the warden is obsessed. Ask anyone in DHS. No one trusts anyone else and whatever sources might be left are shutting up. The threats that have been made far exceed anything I’ve ever seen. Good people are afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. We’ve all been threatened. They see the writing on the wall and are leaving. It’s not a joke and not hype.”

The following is a narrative from my source, prefaced with the instructions to “take it or leave it,” and “disregard it at your own peril.” He added that it’s now up to each American to act on the information themselves or suffer the consequences. “I’ve resigned myself to the fact that most [Americans] will never be convinced of the reality that is taking place right in front of them.”

The plan explained

“According to every internal document I’ve seen and read, and from the few people I’ve spoken with who understand what’s going on, preparations have been finalized to respond to a crisis of unprecedented magnitude within the United States. The response will include the use of lethal force against U.S. citizens under the instructions of Barack Obama.” But why?

“‘It’s the economy, stupid,’” he began, paraphrasing a campaign slogan coined by James Carville for Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign. ”Just as I disclosed in our first meeting, the crisis will be rooted in an economic collapse. I told you last year, at a time when gold and silver were setting record highs, one specific indicator that time is very short. It is the final ‘smack down’ of the metals, gold and silver, that will presage the orchestrated economic collapse that is being planned by the bankers of Wall Street. Everybody needs to understand that this is a deliberate collapse of the U.S. economy with the oversight of the White House and the full knowledge of the Justice Department. Everyone seems to be waiting for some big, history making event that will signal the start of the collapse. The fact is that the collapse has already started. It’s incremental, like a snowball rolling down a hill. It gets bigger and rolls faster. Well, this snowball is well on its way down the hill.”

“I don’t mean to sound repetitive, by I can’t stress this enough. Contrary to what you hear, we’re already in an economic collapse, except that most people haven’t a clue. The ‘big bang’ comes at the end, when people they wake up one morning and can’t log in to their bank accounts, can’t use their ATM cards, and find out that their private pension funds and other assets have been confiscated,” he stated.

“I’ve seen documentation of multiple scenarios created outside of DHS. Different plans and back-up plans. Also, please understand that I deliberately used the word ‘created,’ as this is a completely manufactured event. In the end it won’t be presented that way, which is extremely important for everyone to understand. What is coming will be blamed on some unforeseen event out of everyone’s control, that few saw coming or thought would actually happen. Then, another event will take place concurrent with this event, or immediately after it, to confuse and compound an already explosive situation.” I asked for specifics.

“As I said, there are several scenarios and I don’t know them all. I know one calls for a cyber-attack by an external threat, which will then be compounded by something far removed from everyone’s own radar. But it’s all a ruse, or a pretext. The threat is from within,” he stated. “Before people can regain their footing, a second event will be triggered.” Again, I asked for specifics.

“I’ve seen one operational plan that refers to the federal government’s response to a significant terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Information at these levels is compartmentalized. I don’t have specifics, just plans for the response. The response will be controls and restrictions on travel, business, and every aspect of our lives, especially gun ownership and speech that incites people against the government. I guess some people would call it Martial Law, and they would not be incorrect. But understand that this will be a process deployed in stages. How quickly of a process remains to be seen.”

The mechanics explained

As I said, people continue to look for something big to happen first, followed by a militaristic response by the federal government against U.S. citizens. Based on what I’ve seen, I don’t believe it will happen this way, although there is one unthinkable exception. That exception would involve a ‘decapitation’ of our leadership, but I’ve seen nothing even remotely suggestive of that. But I’ve heard and even read articles where that is mentioned. Frankly, though, that’s always been a threat. I suppose that if the leadership is deemed useless, or becomes a liability to the larger agenda in some manner, it could happen. The precedent exists. Let’s pray that it’s not the case now.”

“I don’t think anyone except the initiated few know the precise series of events or the exact timing, just a general overview and an equally general time period. I think we’re in that period now, as DHS has their planned responses finalized. Also, the metals are important because it’s real money, not Ponzi fiat currency. The U.S. has no inventory of gold, so the prices are manipulated down to cause a sell-off of the physical assets. China is on a buying spree of gold, and other countries want their inventory back. The very people causing the prices to drop are the ones who are also buying the metals at fire sale prices. They will emerge extremely wealthy when the prices rise after the U.S. currency becomes wallpaper. A little research will identify who these people and organizations are.”

“I’d like to add a bit of perspective that might help explain the events as I described. Do you remember former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announcing that the Pentagon was unable to account for $2.3 trillion in the defense budget? That was on September 10, 2001, the day before the attacks of 9/11. Some suggest that 9/11 was orchestrated, in part to cover up the missing money, which is ludicrous. The result, however, was that suddenly the accounting issue took a back seat because of the attacks. The result will be the same. That’s a perfect example of the mechanics of what we are about to experience. It’s going to take years to sort out, and when it’s finally sorted out, the damage will have long been done.”

“Please note a few final things. The relationship that exists between DHS today and the executive branch is well beyond alarming. DHS and other organizations have become the private army of the Oval Office. The NSA, and I’ve got contacts there, is taking orders from the Oval Office. The IRS is under the virtual control of the Oval Office in a manner that would make Nixon cower. Even though all roads appear to lead to the Oval Office, they lead through the Oval Office. It’s not just Obama, but the men behind him, the people who put him there. The people who put him there are the ones who created him.” I asked who created him.

“First, ask yourself why there was such an all out effort to marginalize anyone talking about Obama’s eligibility in 2008. Even so-called conservatives pundits fell for the lie that such questions were nothing more than a diversion. They were following a specific drumbeat. That should tell every rational adult that he is a creation of the globalists who have no allegiance to any political party. He is the product of decades of planning, made for this very time in our history. He was selected to oversee the events I just disclosed. Who has that ability? He’s a product of our own intelligence agencies working with the globalists. He should be exhibit ‘A’ to illustrate the need to enforce the Logan Act. Need I say more?”

As often said by another of my sources, the U.S. is a captured operation. The lie is bigger than most people realize or are willing to confront. That is, until there is no other option. By then, it might be too late.

[bluestflame]

"give to ceasar what belongs to ceasar"

[Noel]

Thank you Sheme I have to agree we have to stay peaceful and respond peacefully reacting forcefully to there pressure is the beginning of the end. to act as if the end is already here and start living off your own resources. set up your own power source if possible grow and preserve your own food. grow your healing herbs so you can totally get off there system. that way when the world falls apart you can sit back and observe what happens. help those you can but keep enough supplies in a safe place for your personal use. I know that the elite do there best to keep us living in greed and wanting to be better than the next person down the block but the time had comer to cooperate and work together. we only have one chance at survival and that is to work as one and stop giving our power to the elites. I have been told if you want to be healthy eat the weeds in your garden not what you plant, learn about permaculture you harvest year after year without having to plant. they can not take your food away if they do not know where you are getting it from. stay out of there world and they will not know you are even there.



I think this is the real problem films like the one above are very dramatic and designed to create something that does not exist, this is the propaganda of the PTB can no one see it!

Don't you see you are supposed to come out shooting so they can shoot you, forget it, it won't happen unless you start believing it will. Peace .

Justice is best performed quietly and from above.

[Matthew]

Bump. 'Cause I keep remembering this quote:

(Rosebud interview, 2013)


...
RB: I don’t have a crystal ball, but I have seen various reports referencing unprecedented “drills” to take place in later March and April. I’ll mention this because I know a lot of people on the inside at DHS have seen this. A document called “Operation Thunderdome.” It’s maybe 50 or 60 pages, I’m not certain. It describes an economic collapse in the U.S., followed by an attack on the government by “a made-up patriotic group.” It combines gun owners, Constitutionalists, and even Christians into an enemy group that pulls off an attack in Washington.
But don’t fall into the trap of trying to pick the time of these events. Their plans are flexible, but their objectives are carved in stone.
DH: Sounds like a Reichstag type event - sometime.
...Source: Referenced pdf (http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_Obamas_cyber_warriors_and_preparing_for_collapse_6_Feb_2013.pdf) from the opening Post, 20th March 2013 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57144-Doug-Hagmann-s-DHS-insider-update---IT-HAS-BEGUN.--&p=651233&viewfull=1#post651233)

[pyrangello]

Have much respect for Doug Hagmann, there's no telling what the lunatic fringe has in store down the road. Most Americans and most people of the world are good , honest, decent people who just want to live in peace, raise a family , and just live life. However there are those that are so miserable , selfish, power hungry, and evil they want nothing more than chaos to empower them even more. Kissinger said :control the money and you can control countries, control the food and you can control the people. I've decided to not support anything federal or DC and to put all my efforts into helping my community and are I live in. No donations, no memberships, no supporting anything political , I'm done with anything outside of my immediate area. If there is anything upon the horizon , word will get out and Hagmann among others will be blowing the trumpet before it happens, rest assured.

[Ascension]

Have much respect for Doug Hagmann, there's no telling what the lunatic fringe has in store down the road. Most Americans and most people of the world are good , honest, decent people who just want to live in peace, raise a family , and just live life. However there are those that are so miserable , selfish, power hungry, and evil they want nothing more than chaos to empower them even more. Kissinger said :control the money and you can control countries, control the food and you can control the people. I've decided to not support anything federal or DC and to put all my efforts into helping my community and are I live in. No donations, no memberships, no supporting anything political , I'm done with anything outside of my immediate area. If there is anything upon the horizon , word will get out and Hagmann among others will be blowing the trumpet before it happens, rest assured.

Not trying to hijack. Your post reminded me of a song I used to like by Red Rider...Lunatic Fringe. Released in 1981 but very apropos these days. Wishing a bunch more people were "wise to them this time" though.

ovnJWwBcEks

[pyrangello]

ascension, was thinking of that song when I posted , there's also another song from Mike and the mechanics "can you hear me running" . All those lyrics are right in line too. I've been following the hagmann report for years. He's on every evening. Prior to Jan 6 they were sounding the alarm to stay away from dc. As far as people waking up, never before have I witnessed so many that are awake now.

[Tintin]

Bump. 'Cause I keep remembering this quote:

(Rosebud interview, 2013)


...
RB: I don’t have a crystal ball, but I have seen various reports referencing unprecedented “drills” to
take place in later March and April. I’ll mention this because I know a lot of people on the inside at
DHS have seen this. A document called “Operation Thunderdome.” It’s maybe 50 or 60 pages, I’m
not certain. It describes an economic collapse in the U.S., followed by an attack on the government
by “a made-up patriotic group.” It combines gun owners, Constitutionalists, and even Christians
into an enemy group that pulls off an attack in Washington.
But don’t fall into the trap of trying to pick the time of these events. Their plans are flexible, but
their objectives are carved in stone.
DH: Sounds like a Reichstag type event - sometime.
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Source: Referenced pdf (http://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagman...6_Feb_2013.pdf) from the opening Post, 20th March 2013 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57144-Doug-Hagmann-s-DHS-insider-update---IT-HAS-BEGUN.--&p=651233&viewfull=1#post651233)

Thanks :thumbsup:

But, the referenced pdf link doesn't work? It's on the Avalon server and I've tried some 'edits' such as including an extra 'n' on Hagmann but no joy.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Here it is:

https://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_Obamas_cyber_warriors_and_preparing_for_collapse_6_Feb_2013.pdf

[Tintin]

Here it is:

https://projectavalon.net/Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_Obamas_cyber_warriors_and_preparing_for_collapse_6_Feb_2013.pdf

Ah, great - I'd just revisited that myself and found it too :thumbsup:

It's so cold here that my brain I'm certain had frozen up for a few moments :)

[pyrangello]

Correction to that song, Mike & The Mechanics - Silent running https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep7W89I_V The lyrics are very profound , Yeah its been sub zero here every night for the last week Tin Tin, still isn't as bad as 5 years ago when I had a bird on the tree freeze right on the branch. Thanks for the link to Hagmann, you can watch his show anytime , always very detailed information.

Here's a link to the current hagmann episodes https://www.hagmannreport.com/videos/

[Matthew]

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Thanks everyone, fixed the url in my post here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57144-Doug-Hagmann-s-DHS-insider-update---IT-HAS-BEGUN.--&p=1410454&viewfull=1#post1410454).

I'm liking all the soundtracks. My choice is Perfect Circle, Pet (YouTube link) (https://youtu.be/TmWhY_irAXE)

The old whistleblowers start to make far too much sense

[Tintin]

Correction to that song, Mike & The Mechanics - Silent running https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep7W89I_V The lyrics are very profound , Yeah its been sub zero here every night for the last week Tin Tin, still isn't as bad as 5 years ago when I had a bird on the tree freeze right on the branch. Thanks for the link to Hagmann, you can watch his show anytime , always very detailed information.

Here's a link to the current hagmann episodes https://www.hagmannreport.com/videos/

Holy moly :facepalm: There's something very Leonard Cohen about that poor bird (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_on_the_Wire) :flower:

Thanks for the link too :highfive: