Should we be scared of N.Korea's threats? Or Usual Sabre Rattling ! Cameron Seizes Trident opportunity!

[Cidersomerset]

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Published on 4 Apr 2013


Jon Snow talks to former British ambassador to Pyongyang, John Everard - and in
Washington to PJ Crowley - who was Hillary Clinton's spokesman at the US state
department.

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Sabrerattling Kim Jong Un: How Seriously Should We Take N. Korea's Threats

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Published on 3 Apr 2013
Abundant Ignorance: Are Americans Too Stupid For Democracy?:



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Korean Course: 'Any small mistake can turn into catastrophe'

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Published on 3 Apr 2013


North Korea has suspended South Korean access to a joint industrial zone - the latest
move in the ongoing conflict with Washington and Seoul. Pyongyang also says it will
restart a nuclear reactor to beef up its arsenal - after Washington moved its military
closer to the Korean peninsula. The UN says the deadlock has gone too far. North Korea
earlier claimed its missile units are combat-ready - and warned of a possible pre-
emptive strike on the U.S. and Seoul. Tim Shorrock has written extensively about US
foreign policy and East Asian politics - and believes both sides should know they are
playing a dangerous game.

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North Korea 'ratifies' nuclear strike against US

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Published on 4 Apr 2013


North Korea's military says it's now officially authorized to wage a nuclear attack against
the US - to counter what it calls Washington's aggression. Pyongyang warns an
explosion is imminent - and war could break out 'today or tomorrow'.

South Korean-based journalist Joseph Kim has more on the latest in a series of threats.

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4 April 2013 Last updated at 17:06

UK must keep Trident nuclear deterrent - David CameronComments (2009) David
Cameron: "Obviously the noises it (North Korea) has been making in recent weeks and
months are worrying and threatening"


The UK would be "foolish" to abandon Trident in the face of the potential threat of
nuclear attack from North Korea and Iran, David Cameron has said.Writing in the Daily
Telegraph, he said the country still needed the "ultimate weapon of defence".

The prime minister said the nuclear danger had "increased" since the end of the Cold
War.

The Lib Dems want the UK to explore a cheaper alternative to the Tories' £20bn plan to
replace Trident.

Mr Cameron is committed to maintaining a round-the-clock submarine-based nuclear
missile system of the kind Britain has had since the late 1960s.

But the Lib Dems have insisted the coalition carry out a review of cheaper submarine or
land-based options, including abandoning round-the-clock patrols.

'Nuclear blackmail'

Labour, which was committed to a like-for-like replacement for Trident when it was in
power, has now said it will examine the outcome of that review.

The prime minister also stressed his commitment to Trident, which is based on the
Clyde, during a visit to the west of Scotland.

"The world we live in is very uncertain, very dangerous: there are nuclear states and
one cannot be sure of how they will develop," he told workers at a defence contractor in
Glasgow.

"We cannot be sure on issues of nuclear proliferation, and to me having that nuclear
deterrent is quite simply the best insurance policy that you can have, that you will never
be subject to nuclear blackmail."
SNP defence spokesman

Mr Cameron had earlier visited HMS Victorious, one of the Royal Navy's four Vanguard-
class submarines which keep Trident nuclear missiles continuously at sea, which is
returning from its 100th patrol.

"I wanted to come on board and congratulate everyone who's been involved in those
hundred tours and to say a big thank you to all those people so work so hard to keep us
safe," he said.

The Scottish National Party has said it would not allow nuclear weapons to be based in
Scotland, should next year's referendum support independence, a move that would
potentially add billions to the cost of replacing Trident.In the Daily Telegraph article,
which was published ahead of his trip, Mr Cameron said the "highly unpredictable and
aggressive" regime in North Korea was developing ballistic missiles that could become a
threat to Britain.

He said: "We need our nuclear deterrent as much today as we did when a previous
British government embarked on it over six decades ago.

"Of course, the world has changed dramatically. The Soviet Union no longer exists. But
the nuclear threat has not gone away.

"In terms of uncertainty and potential risk it has, if anything, increased."

Mr Cameron said: "North Korea recently conducted its third nuclear test and could
already have enough fissile material to produce more than a dozen nuclear weapons.

"Last year North Korea unveiled a long-range ballistic missile which it claims can reach
the whole of the United States. If this became a reality it would also affect the whole of
Europe, including the UK."

The prime minister questioned whether anyone would "seriously argue that it would be
wise for Britain, faced with this evolving threat today, to surrender our deterrent".

"My judgement is that it would be foolish to leave Britain defenceless against a
continuing, and growing, nuclear threat," he said.

Defence work

Shadow defence minister Kevan Jones said it was "absolutely right and necessary" for
the UK to retain an independent nuclear deterrent but the cost needed to be taken into
account.

"World events demonstrate that in an unpredictable era our country needs the ultimate
security guarantee," he said.

"The precise nature of the deterrent must be judged on meeting military capability
requirements and cost."

Mr Cameron has also spoken about the role of Scottish companies in supplying the UK's
armed forces.

He described the work as more "secure" when it was as part of the United Kingdom, he
said "defence jobs matter".

The SNP has claimed it would be a mistake for the UK government to place the Trident
nuclear programme at the heart of its case for the union.

Defence spokesman Angus Robertson said: "The (Scottish) parliament and 80% of the
people of Scotland want to get rid of Trident, and the obscene waste of up to £100bn it
represents at a time of austerity and savage welfare cuts from Westminster."

Trident's Faslane base currently employs 6,700 military and civilian workers with that
figure due to rise to 8,200 by 2022.

Continue reading the main story
UK nuclear capability

Graphic showing how the Trident defence system works

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The four Vanguard submarines which host Trident missiles can attack targets within a
range of just over 4,600 miles (7,400km). The example above shows this range if the
sub were located in the mid-Atlantic.

Meanwhile, the US has announced it is moving an advanced missile defence system to
the Pacific island of Guam - where it has a significant military presence - amid
heightened tensions on the Korean peninsula.

It came as North Korea said the use of nuclear weapons by its military had been ratified.

North Korea has threatened attacks on the US and South Korea in recent weeks.

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Britain: Should Cameron scrap the UK's nuclear weapons?-The Agenda-01-28-


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Britain's nuclear arsenal will cost £20 billion to renew - it's a sum of money which could
stave off the recession threatening to engulf the UK economy.

Former military chiefs have previously admitted Britain's nuclear submarines are
completely useless against modern warfare and a waste of money.

Nuclear weapons are no deterrent to the threat posed by international terrorism.
Cameron's decision to renew ¬Trident is said to be driven more by political
considerations for the UK's American allies than by the true requirements of national
defence.

In this edition of the show we ask: Is it now the time for Cameron to make the biggest
cut of all by scrapping Trident and saving Britain from further hardship?

[indigopete]

I don't know if we should be "scared" or not as you put it. (As in cowering in a corner of the room with chattering teeth :) )

My opinion is that they're all as bad as each other and if we get blown up in the process then we'll just be "collateral damage".

Cameron is a brain dead psychopath who wants to "seize" the opportunity to demonstrate why we need Trident. Well, I'm proud to be from a country which is at least attempting to break itself out of the clutches of the United Kingdom and kick Trident out at the next available opportunity.

Here's how the logic of "Nuclear Deterrence works":

[1] - a guy walks down the street and sees a house on fire

[2] - he says "hey ! there's a house on fire. Better set another one alight and see if the first one goes out"

[3] - to his surprise, he ends up with 2 houses on fire and can't understand why

Mr Jong could be bluffing or he could be serious or it could all be a setup by the west or there could be a nuclear "pop" designed to scare the living daylights out of everyone and the western PTB might just not mind that too much since it concentrates everybody's minds on how much we need their protection. (Protection "racket" anyone ?).

[christian]

GlobalResearch: DPRK’s “State of War” Declaration Is a Faulty Translation: Not an Official Policy Statement from Kim Jung Un (http://www.globalresearch.ca/dprks-state-of-war-declaration-is-a-faulty-translation-not-an-official-policy-statement-from-kim-jung-un/5329687)

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[Cidersomerset]

GlobalResearch: DPRK’s “State of War” Declaration Is a Faulty Translation: Not an Official Policy Statement from Kim Jung Un

My personal opinion is its all about 'The Mil Ind Complex' and selling more arms and keeping the US Arsenal in particular well stocked !

Iraq & Afghanistan are winding down.........Sod a peace dividened We need War !!
Profits, Send your sons & Daughters Not ours were 'Chicken Hawkes' feeding
on the ripest corn!

They don't want a shooting war in Korea, just the threat is fine in this theatre !

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Its all linked........

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And he knew......

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Of course its more complicated than a few sentences.......

[jackovesk]

Answer: NO...:nono:

We really shouldn't be :scared: of any of 'Them' however the word 'Concerned' does come to mind...:yes4:

(ALL) of this (North Korea) :bs: revolves around the PTW's (Asia Pacific Union) which means...



More Control
More Military $Spending to line the $Pockets of (The Military Industrial Complex)
More (US=UN=NATO) Bases in the Region
More 'Fearmongering' Propaganda
More False-Flag Events
& So on & So on & So on


All leading to you guessed it...


A (One World Govt.) & (Currency) & (Death via Eugenics) & For (ALL) those left (SERFDOM)...:faint:

PS - The Question really should be..?


Is that a (World) you really want to live in..?

:nono: I didn't think so...

Well then, keep making your :director: Voices heard...:)

[gripreaper]

If you were the coach of a football team, and you came up with a play that worked every time you ran it, wouldn't you keep running that play?

War is like that. We buy into it every time it seems.

[wobbegong]

GlobalResearch: DPRK’s “State of War” Declaration Is a Faulty Translation: Not an Official Policy Statement from Kim Jung Un (http://www.globalresearch.ca/dprks-state-of-war-declaration-is-a-faulty-translation-not-an-official-policy-statement-from-kim-jung-un/5329687)

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Definitely worth pondering. I was thinking about Bill Ryan's heads-up concerning the DHS...to do what they intend to do internally, the DHS would need to keep the US Army busy somewhere else (a war?), because the risk is very high that the US Army would fight for the Constitution (...right to bear arms etc. ...), but if its energies are aimed elsewhere this wouldn't happen.

Today a friend from the US told me he can't buy ammunitions from his local shop anymore, they ran out and most people from around the country have the same problem...

[crosby]

i just saw this in the news...... here's the link.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-05/north-korea-asks-russia-to-weigh-evacuation-of-diplomats.html


North Korea Asks Russia to Weigh Evacuation of Diplomats
By Stepan Kravchenko & Henry Meyer - Apr 5, 2013 6:41 AM ET


"North Korea asked Russia and other countries to consider evacuating their diplomats from the capital, Pyongyang, as tensions are mounting with its southern neighbor, the Russian embassy said.

A North Korean Foreign Ministry official met Russian Ambassador Alexander Timonin today to deliver the message, said Denis Samsonov, a spokesman for the embassy in Pyongyang. The proposal is now under consideration, Samsonov said by phone, adding that the decision won’t be made today. More than 100 people work in the Russian embassy, he said. '

regards, corson

[Fred Steeves]

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"Should we be scared of North Korea's threats?" Absolutely not, but especially not with nitwit NWO gofers like these two giving us the story. (LOL)

[ceetee9]

It depends on what you mean by "scared." If you mean should we be afraid of a nuclear attack by N. Korea, for the US, the answer is no. They do not have intercontinental ballistic missile capability. For countries close to N. Korea the answer is maybe, but I would think that if N. Korea launched a nuclear attack on one of its neighbors that it would be reduced to dust in no time flat by China, Russia, India, or the US warmongers who want to keep the military industrial complex well oiled.

If, on the other hand, you mean should we (meaning humanity) be afraid that a N. Korean nuclear attack could be the final nail in the coffin for freedom and sovereign nations and will usher in the final (full) implementation of a One World Government, I think the answer is most probably yes.

[Cidersomerset]

This is really funny obviously Cameron is trying to use the North Korea hype
to get Trident on the agenda.A weapons system bought and controlled from
the Pentagon at our expence...( the not so funny bit )..LOl..Based in Scotland
where % 85 of scots don't want it !! Democracy Hey ..LOL !!



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Published on 5 Apr 2013


The UK government is determined to pour billions of pounds into upgrading its
nuclear deterrent citing "evolving threats" from North Korea and Iran. The intention
by the country's Prime Minister David Cameron comes hot on the heels of
Pyongyang's readiness to unpack its nuclear arsenal in a move against the US. Experts however question whether North Korea poses an actual threat to the UK.

[Selene]

Well, as some NWO types are fond of saying: Never let a crisis go to waste.

Obviously the rantings of N. Korea’s puppy dictator will be used to great advantage by those who wish to foment WW3. I think Kim Jong Un is in the category of Libya’s Ghadafi: a ‘useful idiot’ who can be trotted out in armor and spurs whenever the US needs a convenient madman to play the ‘who knew?’ ‘he’s crazy…’ wildcard. Zionists still n-e-e-e-e-d their all-out war. They aren’t fussy about how they’ll trigger it. A compliant child madman is as good as any.

Anyone who imagines that the recent foray by – of all people – Dennis Rodman (Hey, he’s cra-a-a-a-zy…! What a guy…) to make nice with El Supremo was just a wild foray by another …. eccentric…. will have totally missed the contingent of operatives who accompanied him – to do the real detonation, and barter all the major finances, babes and drugs needed to gain El Supremo’s cooperation in this little venture. And goad him into doing exactly what they wanted all along. Ka-blooom.

Yes indeed.

Scared, no. Outraged, yes. This game is wearing a little thin.

Cheers,

Selene

p.s. I don't think that trip to N. Korea was Rodman's idea - the CIA simply discerned which celeb Kim Jong really wanted to schmooze with. I'm sure Rodman was 'approached' and offered a free pass. I can't image the U.S. Gov't allowing him to do this otherwise and still letting him keep his passport. They would have quashed the trip.

[Hervé]

Well, what's the automatic Modus Operandi of the controllers?

Like in WW I and II, Korea, Indochina, Vietnam, etc... they need a protracted ground war where they can sell lots of weapons and ammunitions while at the same time getting rid of young males and females as a factor of depopulation, etc...

But that leaves out big pharma, so, I guess that there will be some biological WMD scares to jump up vaccines and the rest of their paraphernalia...

So, now that Iraq and Afghanistan are slowly dying out... and unless they want Iran to shut down the Hormuz straight and cut off the controllers-owned oil world wide, what do you think is in the cards for the Koreas?

[Selene]

Excellent question, Amer Zo. I think that they may be invoking the Nuclear Wild Card. That is: F**** ground wars, screw finesse - just blast it all to kingdom come. Who (in their view) gives a **** about North Korea - or even Pittsburgh? Just cause devastation. "We've" all got our underground bunkers anyway. Just git it done....

Yes, they are crazy, true psychopaths. But that won't stop them....

Cheers (or something),

Selene

[happyuk]

Protection "racket" anyone ?

That's exactly the way I see it.
If Korea really wanted to start something off they would have long ago surely?
It's my feeling that North Korea's role, like all good socialists, is to promote the interests of the USA's military industrial complex.
Certain Israelis and certain Americans being only too pleased to supply them with hardware.

[eva08]

I seem to remember a Benjamin Fulford blog post of at least 8 months ago, where he stated that the Elites were moving corporations into North Korea heavily influenced by the Rockefellars....

Now suddenly we have war threats against ourselves.....

I am certain this is nothing but another money move, sheering the fire, creating a situation and "war" being the obvious solution....

I am disgusted

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of good items .....



North Korean embassies remain staffed despite safety fears

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The US is trying to embroil South Korea in conflict with its Northern neighbor in a
bit to oust its current government without taking heavy US casualties, political
writer and journalist Dan Glazebrook told RT.

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'US wants to take S. Korea into new Korean war'


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Published on 6 Apr 2013


The US is trying to embroil South Korea in conflict with its Northern neighbor in a
bit to oust its current government without taking heavy US casualties, political
writer and journalist Dan Glazebrook told RT.

[Cidersomerset]

'Nuclear weapons risk security rather than bolster it'

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Published on 5 Apr 2013


Britain is looking to pour billions of pounds into cementing security by renewing its submarine-based nuclear deterrent. The country's Prime Minister is citing what he calls the 'evolving' atomic threat from North Korea, which is topping the headlines with its harsh anti-American drive.

[kcbc2010]

No - we shouldn't be scared of North Korea. We should be afraid of the people pushing this "war" on the rest of us.

I have a friend who took a trip to South Korea last week and he reported that most people there aren't taking this seriously. It's life as usual.

[Cidersomerset]

Two items that proves there is no reason what so ever for conflict other than 'macho rhetoric' from the North,
and massive arms sales from the military ind Complex. Absolutely ridiculous !!!!



'N. Korea war could start by accident, neither side wants to be seen as weak'

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Published on 8 Apr 2013


President Putin's worrying thoughts about the current deadlock on the Korean
peninsula come as South Korea backtracks on claims that the North is preparing a
fourth nuclear test later this week. A government minister in Seoul now says he
was being inaccurate when talking about indications of activity at a North Korean
test site.

Pyongyang has meanwhile announced it's suspending all work at the countries' joint
industrial zone. Earlier, Washington delayed a long-planned missile test, to avoid
any further escalation on the Korean peninsula. Pyongyang has been ramping up its
rhetoric recently - threatening a pre-emptive, nuclear strike on the U.S. - and
declaring a 'state of war' with Seoul. The U.S. and South Korea responded by
sending warships and aircraft to the area. East Asia analyst Glyn Ford says the two
Koreas are left with little room for maneuver - because neither wants to be
perceived as weak.


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Pyongyang warns foreigners to evacuate S. Korea, Japan deploys Patriot missiles

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Published on 9 Apr 2013


North Korea has warned foreigners to evacuate from South Korea in case of war -
the latest escalation of threats from the country. Japan, meanwhile, has deployed
Patriot missiles around Tokyo - as a precaution against possible North Korean
ballistic missile tests.

Journalist Ryan Dawson says Japan and its leadership are looking to profit from the
tense situation - while the US pushed things too far when trying to do the same.

[Dennis Leahy]

I know it must be fun to grab a megaphone and help the NWO to broadcast disinformation messages of fear. I mean, it must be, because when people try to say STOP and actually find out what North Korea and Kim Jung Un ACTUALLY said, well, that is ignored in favor of repeating whatever the mainscream media propaganda wing of the NWO is pushing.

So, keep on repeating and repeating and repeating that North Korea declared war on the US and is loading up nuclear missiles as we type... if you want to...

... OR, you could spend a few minutes and realize that you have been duped (AGAIN) and made a pawn (AGAIN) and have helped the NWO broadcast the message they want broadcast (AGAIN.)

Article: North Korean “state of war” declaration is a faulty translation and NOT official policy statement from Kim Jung Un

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/03/31/north-korean-state-of-war-declaration-is-a-faulty-translation-and-not-official-policy-statement-from-kim-jung-un/

Dennis

[sleepy]

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[Jeffrey]

Dennis,

I went to the link. I have to say, I myself question that man's judgement. He has leaped to many conclusions himself ... especially with the photographs (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/north-korean-war-plans-image-discrepancies-suggest-photoshopping/).

I read what the original transcripts were supposed to say. The message isn't all that different considering the backdrop of all the other developments in the situation. The context in which the statement was made is what gives it weight. In my opinion, the link makes a very weak case.

Regardless, let's just throw the "state of war" comment out the window. What's left ...



North Korea cut their military hotline with the South

They trashed the armistice

They're threatening US/South Korea with nuclear weapons

They're re-opening the Yongbyong nuclear facility

They've effectively closed the Kaesong complex


None of those can be considered as mistranslations. They are unequivocally building their nuclear program, this includes beefing up their nuclear arsenal.

Helping broadcast the message? This is international news here. Whether one decides to ignore it, or doesn't care to comment on it ... that's not going to stop it from happening. It's not "beating the war drum".

Another perspective. Ignoring what is happening is another form of fear in itself. Denial, refusal to acknowledge the facts.

I don't understand why people here are getting hung up on this mistranslation article. Go to the link, and scrutinize it ... the "evidence" presented therein is very weak.

War is a serious thing and it's becoming more and more probable that it will break out over there. Possibly within a week.

[Jeffrey]

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The man in this video has given a succinct summary of the situation (and in my opinion, this is why the conflict is inevitable).

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2013/04/09/lklv-clancy-nkorea-threat-foreigners.cnn.html

[Dennis Leahy]

...War is a serious thing and it's becoming more and more probable that it will break out over there. Possibly within a week.Hi Vivek,

If there is a nuclear or other large bomb(s) exploded anywhere in the world, and we turn on the evening (mainscream) news and they say "North Korea", then I suggest we turn off the TV, and make our best guess as to who is being used as the latest patsy, and who actually did the deed. My bet would be on the bride and groom of the Israeli Mossad and the black-ops boys in the CIA. (not sure who the bride is, but they are in bed together)

I am not suggesting Kim Jung Un is emotionally stable - I really don't know anything about him. But he would have to be full-on suicidal to do any more than rattle a saber at the US. Obama orders goat herders and their families to be drone attacked with Hellfire missiles, just for his entertainment - keeping up the pretense of a phony 'War on Terror.' We know for sure he is emotionally unstable. Since the USA has a war-for-profit economy, the military industrial complex would like nothing better than an excuse to drop a few thousand bombs on North Korea, and to ramp-up a few hundred billion dollars worth of new "defense" industry toys of mass destruction. You really think "Un" is un-aware of that?

There will be no war in a week. A false flag, maybe. Another country annihilated for fun and profit by the USA to "preserve our freedom" from those who "hate our freedom", maybe. But let's not use the word "war."

Dennis

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Jeffrey]

There will be no war in a week. A false flag, maybe. Another country annihilated for fun and profit by the USA to "preserve our freedom" from those who "hate our freedom", maybe. But let's not use the word "war."

Regarding your whole post ... I figured that's the point you were trying to make. That if something did happen, North Korea is being positioned as a scapegoat.

I agree with you; they are also compliant. That's why I think this is so serious. Even if we take all the smoke and mirrors out of it a conflict is inevitable because of what they are doing. They will only stop what they are doing if they get what they want. What they want is to continue what they are doing. When the international community continues to say no with policies/sanctions on North Korea and North Korea keeps progressing ... diplomacy evaporates quickly ... we are seeing it boil right now.

Semantics aside, false flags immediately precede wars.

Any war in that area right now, "winners" or "losers" aside, would have dramatic economic effects over there. Which would ripple quickly throughout the global economy. Even the rumors of war being spread there right now by North Korea are having economic effects in the area. The actions and rhetoric going on over there right now will effect the tension with Israel/Iran/US, especially if it continues (which it has steadily been climbing).

America witnessed the loss of liberty here as a result of 9/11. Now, the gun grabs. The next "trigger" will be nuclear or economic. Probably both, and they are tied together.

I'm not asking anybody to worry about it. Well, heck, if it gets 'em movin', then yea.

My fear is that when this happens, people will have been so caught up in their routines and normalcy bias that the shock of what will precipitate in the social, economic, and political climate will be overwhelming. In short, they won't be prepared and therefore will be impaired when it comes down to what to do in such a situation.

[Jeffrey]

Hi Vivek,

I am just going to post a small sampling of the threats of nuclear war from N. Korea that go back for years and years. I am not suggesting anyone stick their head in the sand but I just can't get worked up over N. Korea threatening war. He is his father's son.

I hear ya, and that's what I though at first. Yet, Kim Jong-Un has proved more ambitious/aggressive/reckless than his father. Here's what I wrote several days ago.


I'd just like to point out a few things.


Its all to get additional aid for the people so Kim Jong Un can funnel more money towards his military, the north have no desire to go to war only protect what they have.

This is what it has been about in the past. Here's why it's different.



This will be the umpteenth time that North Korea has said they will halt their nuclear program for food and money. Each time they have gone back on their word.

Now they have between four and ten nuclear weapons and a new leader who is much more outspoken (/reckless) than his father was.

They have stated that there will be no negotiations with anyone that involves them halting their nuclear program. They have a new hand of cards now.


They are looking at ways around the squeeze of these sanctions. They've just recently announced that they will be restarting the Yongbyon nuclear complex that they shut down five years ago. This will be done to help power the country and to help add to their nuclear arsenal. They will start looking for other ways to get money. One possibility is for them to produce more nuclear weapons to sell to other countries whose nuclear programs have been suppressed by the international community.

The thing that is most familiar over the years, aside from the rhetoric, is they keep developing their nuclear program. Again, now they actually have several nuclear weapons. They will not stop their program. This is evident, and this is where the conflict is at -- aside from all the recent threats.

The US is in a bind here, they have made commitments to Israel ensuring that Iran would not become nuclear capable. Yet, North Korea has steadily achieved this status right under the nose of the US. Whose to say that North Korea won't try and sell a nuclear weapon to Iran? This is probably something Israel and the US have thought about. Unfortunately, it's looking more and more like the US wants this war to happen, as all other options have proved futile in the long run. The situation in North Korea has little room left for diplomacy. Really, nobody should have nuclear weapons. It seems the world is run by silver tonged psychopaths.


I can't see war happening or envisage any situation where they can reconcile, I hope I proved wrong on the reconciling part however.

Man, I really hope hope your wrong about the reconciliation too. Each agreement they have made with the US has been breached though; with each breach they have progressed further and further with their nuclear capabilities. That's why it's different. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help but recognize their track record (apart from the "talk").

They just keep coming back, and things have escalated very quickly this past month.

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The video cuts out a little at the end. It seems that Kim Jong-Un has put "Songun" before the well being of the people of the DPRK. That's what "Songun" essentially is anyways. In the long run, that kind of policy has held true.

See also: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/02/world/asia/koreas-tensions/index.html

Since then, they have announced the re-opening of the Yongbyong facility and effectively shut down Kaesong.

This is new territory, tensions have reached new highs.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2013/04/09/lklv-clancy-nkorea-threat-foreigners.cnn.html

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[Jeffrey]

Sometimes, I can’t help but think that all of this is staged.

I think this is an effect that many people in the alternative community are experiencing. It's desensitization. I think this would be an effective means to polarize the community within itself and further distance itself from the "mainstream"... I think there are many disinformationists out there in the alternative realm make things cloudy and just piling things on top of what's real to conceal the real truths that can be found here. This just makes it easier to clump everything into one lump of "conspiracy theory" and dismiss the whole thing as rubbish.

It's overwhelming, and that's one of the psychological effects -- desensitization.

For me, it's more important now than EVER to use critical thinking and sift through the sand and sugar. I feel, based on what I think (heheh), that we are approaching an apex here, a tipping point.

[SilentFeathers]

Don't know if this is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if N. Korea is in on the charade of fear-mongering. Nothing is as it seems to be....

U.S. and North Korea held secret meeting in March
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/09/exclusive_us_and_north_korea_held_secret_meeting_in_march

[Jeffrey]

Don't know if this is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if N. Korea is in on the sharade of fear-mongering. Nothing is as it seems to be....

U.S. and North Korea held secret meeting in March
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/09/exclusive_us_and_north_korea_held_secret_meeting_in_march

I read that article too. It further illustrates the evaporation of diplomacy. That's it's face value.

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