What do you make of this info? (Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?)

[dynamo]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Planetary-Photo-Gallery/255879834438706

http://www.facebook.com/AnnunakiFromOrion

Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?

[Sérénité]

I've checked out the link to the Planetary Photo Gallery page on FB, must say I'm very confused?!

The pictures on there look like your average images of the horizon and scenic vistas, shots of the sky etc, yet the page owner is saying she can see architecture and crowds of people on an inhabited planet next to ours? :rolleyes:

I must say my friend, Im very sceptical of any info that would be posted on this FB page, maybe take with a pinch of salt?

The whole chem trail thing is open to wide debate for sure isn't it, my take on it is that they're spraying aluminium particles to stop harmful solar rays and possibly also iron to aid the HAARP control.

[dynamo]

I've checked out the link to the Planetary Photo Gallery page on FB, must say I'm very confused?!

The pictures on there look like your average images of the horizon and scenic vistas, shots of the sky etc, yet the page owner is saying she can see architecture and crowds of people on an inhabited planet next to ours? :rolleyes:

I must say my friend, Im very sceptical of any info that would be posted on this FB page, maybe take with a pinch of salt?

The whole chem trail thing is open to wide debate for sure isn't it, my take on it is that they're spraying aluminium particles to stop harmful solar rays and possibly also iron to aid the HAARP control.
I agree that geo-engineering is a possibility.
Why the secrecy if that's the case?

[Sérénité]

The reason for secrecy surrounding geo-engineering is, IMO, the same reason there is secrecy surrounding most things...it would open a huge can of worms.

They would have to admit global warming was a money making scam, they would have to admit they are spraying nasty stuff to deflect solar rays yet the stuff they spray is causing other health issues (mere collateral damage in their eyes)
They would also then have to admit that HAARP actually isn't just a very innocent, expensive toy to investigate the ionosphere, but in fact to manipulate it.

Of course I could be wrong, it's just a hunch :)

[dynamo]

Again I agree with your insight.
I'll add these questions and ideas.

Why spray at night?
I've seen them start as early as 3-4 in the morning and as late as 9 at night.
Those trails are mostly gone (visibly, anyway) by the time the sun rises then they start again full force at sunrise.

Is mass genocide via viral and nanotec payloads in chemtrail fibers a possibility?
I don't believe it's just barium, strontium, aluminum and sulphates in the "fog".
What about this "Morgellons" and "fibromyalgia" outbreak in the past 10 years or so?
Are they related to the fallout or not?
I don't know, but it's not good IMO.

Are the Annunaki cloaking themselves and Nibiru?
Is Nibiru for real?
It was announced in 1983 or so then immediately claimed as being a "mistake".

HAARP can be used for many things including attempts at mind control, correct?
Thanks for any feedback.
I'll stop back in later tonight.

[sdv]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Planetary-Photo-Gallery/255879834438706

http://www.facebook.com/AnnunakiFromOrion

Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?

This supposition does not make sense. I live in the Southern Hemisphere. There are no chemtrails here. The skies are clear and we do have things such as telescopes and astronomers and scientists so if there is a planet approaching we would see it.

For the same reason, the geoengineering supposition also does not make sense. What scientist would be so stupid as to try to change climate by only spraying a part of the Northern Hemisphere? (It would be a bit like having 10 holes in the roof, closing up one and expecting your whole house to stay dry when it rains.)

Besides, there are not as many planes flying over places such as Africa as there are over Europe and America so any spraying would not be effective anyway (and any massive spraying campaign would be noticed).


A local pilot lived in America for a while. He knows what contrails look like and what causes them. He reported in a blog (sorry, but do not have the link anymore) that what he saw in America are not contrails (they do not occur under the expected circumstances for contrails and do not behave in the same way as cointrails do). It is all very mysterious and the reason may well be more ominous than geoengineering or to hide an approaching planet.

[Sérénité]

Again I agree with your insight.
I'll add these questions and ideas.

Why spray at night?
I've seen them start as early as 3-4 in the morning and as late as 9 at night.
Those trails are mostly gone (visibly, anyway) by the time the sun rises then they start again full force at sunrise.

If the chemtrails are for both blocking solar issues and HAARP control, its feasable they would do it night and day I guess

Is mass genocide via viral and nanotec payloads in chemtrail fibers a possibility?

Anything is possible, but to afflict mass genocide this way would mean even those 'in on the act' would then be both instrumental in and partaking in this mass genocide too. Unlike low level fly over spraying of specific fields, high altitude spraying would dissipate over vast areas uncontrollably. So unless the PTB are somehow vaccinated or immune to what they're releasing, they too would fall foul to its fall-out?

I don't believe it's just barium, strontium, aluminum and sulphates in the "fog".
What about this "Morgellons" and "fibromyalgia" outbreak in the past 10 years or so?
Are they related to the fallout or not?
I don't know, but it's not good IMO.
I honestly dont know! Morgellons is a strange one, but why would only a small percentage become infected when it is being released above millions of us?


Are the Annunaki cloaking themselves and Nibiru?
Is Nibiru for real?
It was announced in 1983 or so then immediately claimed as being a "mistake".

I've never given Nibiru much head space, Im not convinced :)

HAARP can be used for many things including attempts at mind control, correct?
I think it possibly could be yes, the more iron in the atmosphere, the better HAARP would conduct...you think?


Thanks for any feedback.
I'll stop back in later tonight.

Thank you for brainstorming this topic Dynamo! Maybe we're on the wrong path but the mutual input may lead us to the right one :)

[Hervé]

For geongineering see this thread: Why In The World Are They Spraying? A geoengineering explanation for chemtrails (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57696-Why-In-The-World-Are-They-Spraying-A-geoengineering-explanation-for-chemtrails)

For "Nibiru" see this thread: Nemesis, Tyche, Nibiru, Planet X, Brown Dwarf & Binary System: Myths & Realities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities)

[RMorgan]

Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?

No, for several reasons.

First, they can´t chemtrail the whole world, so supposing that Nibiru exists and it´s visible from Earth, millions of people would be able to see it.

Second, because there are thousands of independent amateur astronomers all over the world, and none of them is complaining that they haven´t been able to go on with their studies because the chemtrails aren´t allowing them to observe the night sky.

Third, because there isn´t a single piece of evidence pointing that such thing as Nibiru ever existed, as you can see on Amzer Zo´s thread. On the contrary, there´s plenty of evidence showing that the whole Nibiru/Planet X thing is pure bollocks invented by highly questionable people.

[DreamsInDigital]

I suggest people check out this article from Ishtar's Gate, where she also debunks the existence of Nibiru and presents the real truth even about the Annunaki with cold hard facts and real information:
http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2817.html

[Wind]

Watch this video and you will understand the chemtrailing.

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[giovonni]

Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?

No, for several reasons.

First, they can´t chemtrail the whole world, so supposing that Nibiru exists and it´s visible from Earth, millions of people would be able to see it.

Second, because there are thousands of independent amateur astronomers all over the world, and none of them is complaining that they haven´t been able to go on with their studies because the chemtrails aren´t allowing them to observe the night sky.

Third, because there isn´t a single piece of evidence pointing that such thing as Nibiru ever existed, as you can see on Amzer Zo´s thread. On the contrary, there´s plenty of evidence showing that the whole Nibiru/Planet X thing is pure bollocks invented by highly questionable people.

' that's your opinion of course' :rolleyes:

[RMorgan]

' that's your opinion of course' :rolleyes:

Well, if course it is my opinion.

The difference between me and the nibirutards is that my opinion is based on evidence , reason and empiricism, not on hearsay and new age pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

This Nibiru/Planet X thing is the most annoying subject in the alternative scene. The very foundations of such myths/stories have been debunked a zillion times but it keeps coming back no matter what, over and over again.

So, I´d rather treat this subject with an investigative mind, like Amzer Zo did in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities).

[giovonni]

' that's your opinion of course' :rolleyes:

Well, if course it is my opinion.

The difference between me and all the nibirutards out there is that my opinion is based on evidence and empiricism, not on hearsay.

This Nibiru/Planet X thing is the most annoying subject in the alternative scene. The very foundations of such myths/stories have been debunked a zillion times but it keeps coming back no matter what, over and over again.

So, I´d rather treat this subject with an investigative mind, like Amzer Zo did in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities).

Noted ... though ~ i've noticed a real uneasiness in your tolerance for any info relating to the possibilities of a rouge planet entering our solar system ?

post note

of course thats my opinion ... :eyebrows:

[Sidney]

' that's your opinion of course' :rolleyes:

Well, if course it is my opinion.

The difference between me and the nibirutards is that my opinion is based on evidence , reason and empiricism, not on hearsay and new age pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

This Nibiru/Planet X thing is the most annoying subject in the alternative scene. The very foundations of such myths/stories have been debunked a zillion times but it keeps coming back no matter what, over and over again.

So, I´d rather treat this subject with an investigative mind, like Amzer Zo did in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities).

I appreciate your personal opinion on this subject matter. I however find your use of the term "Nibirutards", disrespectful, and extremely closed minded. Regardless of my opinion on nibiru,(or what ever choice name for such, if it exists), your attitude toward the debunking, is not only prejudiced, but insulting to the Avalon community, of which a large number of members happen to follow the belief that such an object exists. In the future, you might think about NOT calling childish names to those who you claim to be of the same family.

[Wind]

If Nibiru exists and I think it does, it might affect us somehow. Something is affecting us yearly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npw-Az-5QLs) now and it is not the Sun, in fact something is affecting the Sun. However, it is highly unlikely that Nibiru/Planet X is in our solar system right now. I don't even claim to know much about the subject, I just try to be as open minded as I can be.

[RMorgan]

' that's your opinion of course' :rolleyes:

Well, if course it is my opinion.

The difference between me and the nibirutards is that my opinion is based on evidence , reason and empiricism, not on hearsay and new age pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

This Nibiru/Planet X thing is the most annoying subject in the alternative scene. The very foundations of such myths/stories have been debunked a zillion times but it keeps coming back no matter what, over and over again.

So, I´d rather treat this subject with an investigative mind, like Amzer Zo did in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities).

I appreciate your personal opinion on this subject matter. I however find your use of the term "Nibirutards", disrespectful, and extremely closed minded. Regardless of my opinion on nibiru,(or what ever choice name for such, if it exists), your attitude toward the debunking, is not only prejudiced, but insulting to the Avalon community, of which a large number of members happen to follow the belief that such an object exists. In the future, you might think about NOT calling childish names to those who you claim to be of the same family.

Actually, I find the term quite adequate. Believing something that can´t stand five minutes of serious scrutinization is obviously not an intelligent attitude.

I´m sick of seeing subjects that have being debunked a billion times coming back over and over again. These kind of things are serious obstacles to the evolution of this forum.

Anyway, I´m totally open minded. However, it doesn´t mean I´ll believe something just because someone told me so.

So far, all arguments that I know of pointing to the existence of Planet X/Nibiru are ridiculously flawed and unsubstantiated. On the other hand, the number of cohesive arguments pointing to the nonexistence of it are overwhelming.

You know, it´s not my fault that some people insist to believe something even when the evidence against it is overwhelmingly strong.

[giovonni]

' that's your opinion of course' :rolleyes:

Well, if course it is my opinion.

The difference between me and the nibirutards is that my opinion is based on evidence , reason and empiricism, not on hearsay and new age pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

This Nibiru/Planet X thing is the most annoying subject in the alternative scene. The very foundations of such myths/stories have been debunked a zillion times but it keeps coming back no matter what, over and over again.

So, I´d rather treat this subject with an investigative mind, like Amzer Zo did in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities).

I appreciate your personal opinion on this subject matter. I however find your use of the term "Nibirutards", disrespectful, and extremely closed minded. Regardless of my opinion on nibiru,(or what ever choice name for such, if it exists), your attitude toward the debunking, is not only prejudiced, but insulting to the Avalon community, of which a large number of members happen to follow the belief that such an object exists. In the future, you might think about NOT calling childish names to those who you claim to be of the same family.

Actually, I find the term quite adequate. Believing something that can´t stand five minutes of serious scrutinization is obviously not an intelligent attitude.

I´m sick of seeing subjects that have being debunked a billion times coming back over and over again. These kind of things are serious obstacles to the evolution of this forum.

Anyway, I´m totally open minded. However, it doesn´t mean I´ll believe something just because someone told me so.

So far, all arguments that I know of pointing to the existence of Planet X/Nibiru are ridiculously flawed and unsubstantiated. On the other hand, the number of cohesive arguments pointing to the nonexistence of it are overwhelming.

You know, it´s not my fault that some people insist to believe something even when the evidence against it is overwhelmingly strong.

Thanks for posting ... And quite revealing ...

:agree: enough said ... Blessings Gio

[Sunny-side-up]

My answer is yes to the total misty fog layer produced by chem trails over my sky.
There could be any thing flying around up there, I wouldn't be ably to see it :(
I wake up look out window clear blue sunny sky :). Get dressed look out window planes flying over, criss crossing? Have a brew go out, no sun light grey smog type total cloud layer! :( And I do mean a total layer of grey...

[Spiral]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Planetary-Photo-Gallery/255879834438706

http://www.facebook.com/AnnunakiFromOrion

Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?

The long answer, no.

Wouldn't mind a toke on whatever the dudes smokin tho...

[SilentFeathers]

You know, it´s not my fault that some people insist to believe something even when the evidence against it is overwhelmingly strong.

The reason that no one can see it right now Raf is that some years ago this giant reddish planet the story says is clearly visible when it approaches our inner solar system magically morphed into a dark or neutron star or brown dwarf, thus becoming basically invisible...... conveniently solving the "I can't see it problem" we face today. A few more years from now another story will probably pop up after it still hasn't destroyed our planet or creates an earth catastrophe that our savior alien friends changed it's orbit to protect us....

[buckminster fuller]

The reason for secrecy surrounding geo-engineering is, IMO, the same reason there is secrecy surrounding most things...it would open a huge can of worms.

They would have to admit global warming was a money making scam, they would have to admit they are spraying nasty stuff to deflect solar rays yet the stuff they spray is causing other health issues (mere collateral damage in their eyes)
They would also then have to admit that HAARP actually isn't just a very innocent, expensive toy to investigate the ionosphere, but in fact to manipulate it.

Of course I could be wrong, it's just a hunch :)

It's either global warming is a scam or they're spraying chems to deflect the sun rays.. One thing is for sure, we need a public hearing on this subject of chemtrails. As for global warming, numbers are what they are, and correlations can be made.

[dynamo]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Planetary-Photo-Gallery/255879834438706

http://www.facebook.com/AnnunakiFromOrion

Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?

This supposition does not make sense. I live in the Southern Hemisphere. There are no chemtrails here. The skies are clear and we do have things such as telescopes and astronomers and scientists so if there is a planet approaching we would see it.

For the same reason, the geoengineering supposition also does not make sense. What scientist would be so stupid as to try to change climate by only spraying a part of the Northern Hemisphere? (It would be a bit like having 10 holes in the roof, closing up one and expecting your whole house to stay dry when it rains.)

Besides, there are not as many planes flying over places such as Africa as there are over Europe and America so any spraying would not be effective anyway (and any massive spraying campaign would be noticed).


A local pilot lived in America for a while. He knows what contrails look like and what causes them. He reported in a blog (sorry, but do not have the link anymore) that what he saw in America are not contrails (they do not occur under the expected circumstances for contrails and do not behave in the same way as cointrails do). It is all very mysterious and the reason may well be more ominous than geoengineering or to hide an approaching planet.
Many Australians are reporting chemtrails for years (not sure where you are):
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chemtrails+in+australia&oq=chemtrails+in+australia&gs_l=youtube.3..0.491.6036.0.6843.23.12.0.11.11.0.140.785.9j1.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.BUvBhyektBA

If you're in Africa, check these:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chemtrails+in+africa&oq=chemtrails+in+africa&gs_l=youtube.3..0.66011.67390.0.67688.6.2.0.4.4.0.138.194.1j1.2.0...0.0...1ac.1.5DVywWtLGy8

It seems they hit the highly populated areas the most...strange.

[dynamo]

Are chemtrails hiding Nibiru?

No, for several reasons.

First, they can´t chemtrail the whole world, so supposing that Nibiru exists and it´s visible from Earth, millions of people would be able to see it.

Second, because there are thousands of independent amateur astronomers all over the world, and none of them is complaining that they haven´t been able to go on with their studies because the chemtrails aren´t allowing them to observe the night sky.

Third, because there isn´t a single piece of evidence pointing that such thing as Nibiru ever existed, as you can see on Amzer Zo´s thread. On the contrary, there´s plenty of evidence showing that the whole Nibiru/Planet X thing is pure bollocks invented by highly questionable people.
They sure as heck are making my viewing with three scopes (a 5" newtonian, an 11" schmidt-cassegrain and an 80mm lunt solar scope) VERY difficult lately!
LOL!
I'm on many astronomy forums and others are reporting the same "fogginess"...

[ghostrider]

Chemtrails are killing microbes in the atmosphere of earth, allowing the sun's radiation to pierce through and kill the soil and plant life, a part of the depopulation program ... those microbes filter the sun's light , used to be yellow, now it's bright white , chemtrails kill what we need to keep us alive on earth... simply ...

[dynamo]

Chemtrails are killing microbes in the atmosphere of earth, allowing the sun's radiation to pierce through and kill the soil and plant life, a part of the depopulation program ... those microbes filter the sun's light , used to be yellow, now it's bright white , chemtrails kill what we need to keep us alive on earth... simply ...
agreed.
how do we stop these megalomaniacs?

[Swan]

how do we stop these megalomaniacs?

Some ideas off the top of my head...

- Print some flyers off the internet, distribute them at the appropriate departments at the local university.

- Make some copies of the film "Why on earth are they spraying" and send to farmers organisations, journalists, politicians

- Or if you are short on cash...doodle " Google chemtrails" in appropriate places...

[OOO]

Wow it’s a bloody miracle that we are still alive and breathing considering all the ‘threats’ we are facing.
Archons, lizards, reptiles, ETs, chemtrails, psychic attacks, Monsanto, the sun…..

It is interesting how we would rather focus our attention and reality on a potential existence of something ‘out there’ and its potential causes into the 'future'. Could that be our ego creating a problem to solve? Are we easily manipulated to believe “their mind”?

We create collectively, shouldn’t we be mindful of where we place out attention?

[dynamo]

Wow it’s a bloody miracle that we are still alive and breathing considering all the ‘threats’ we are facing.
Archons, lizards, reptiles, ETs, chemtrails, psychic attacks, Monsanto, the sun…..

It is interesting how we would rather focus our attention and reality on a potential existence of something ‘out there’ and its potential causes into the 'future'. Could that be our ego creating a problem to solve? Are we easily manipulated to believe “their mind”?

We create collectively, shouldn’t we be mindful of where we place out attention?
very well put, OOO!
time to refocus.
i tend to run off on tangents now and again.
thanks again to all of you for replying.

[buckminster fuller]

Wow it’s a bloody miracle that we are still alive and breathing considering all the ‘threats’ we are facing.
Archons, lizards, reptiles, ETs, chemtrails, psychic attacks, Monsanto, the sun…..

It is interesting how we would rather focus our attention and reality on a potential existence of something ‘out there’ and its potential causes into the 'future'. Could that be our ego creating a problem to solve? Are we easily manipulated to believe “their mind”?

We create collectively, shouldn’t we be mindful of where we place out attention?

You are right from where I stand, and looking at all the catastrophic dates that have been presumably anticipated by channelers, ego-maniacs, and disinformants and that have ALL proven to be BS, I'd locate the actual threat as being a lot closer to us than entities from other dimensions or nazi scientists in the wild planning mass depopulation... The actual scam seems to be that we're getting so much noise in terms of probable alien, chemical, weather, asteroids... threats that we are missing the actual picture, which is that neo-liberalism has made its way to the heart of institutions, and that the master plan which has always been to privatize everything from food to air is currently being implemented.
Looking at problems through a scope that obliterates all kind of power in the individual is what they want us to do.