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Kulapops
23rd September 2010, 23:52
So I think this is some interesting tech news regarding new 'improvements' on using computers as weapons of warfare... giving Iran's nuclear plants a virus for example... :shocked:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100921/ts_csm/327178

Not that I worry about such things any more, but I know there are those here that do.

No dates given I'm afraid. :confused:

Why any government would want to do anything as silly as shut down a nuclear plant by infecting the 'control' system is beyond me. But it's a great story.

I know you like these :)

Peace and love

K

rhythm
24th September 2010, 08:03
http://www.blog.mediafun.pl/foto/2009-03/deniro.jpg
:angel::madgrin:

Kulapops
26th September 2010, 19:16
Hmm ... here's an interesting coincidence... only days later we discover infections on the staff PCs at Iran's facility...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11414483

Do two and two make 4 here ?

K

morguana
26th September 2010, 20:30
Hmm ... here's an interesting coincidence... only days later we discover infections on the staff PCs at Iran's facility...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11414483

Do two and two make 4 here ?

K

seems that way doesnt it?
coincidence? or not?
m

SpoonMan
27th September 2010, 09:35
Hmm ... here's an interesting coincidence... only days later we discover infections on the staff PCs at Iran's facility...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11414483

Do two and two make 4 here ?

K

Yes, good math. Its always a plus to be able to tie the propaganda machine with the war machine, see who spewing out the BS.

Swami
27th September 2010, 09:45
Somewhere in here (http://projectcamelot.org/barksdale.html), in a link (from a link), is a story about how the Chinese hacked into US computers through the electrical grid, if I remember well...
The Chinese started up the US computers and left a message for them on the screens......

Don't ask me where it is exactly cause its bee a long time since I read it, but the story glued itself in my mind......

This place was of the grid except for the electricity, the Chinese used that to get acces to the US computers.....

Kulapops
27th September 2010, 11:30
They currently use electricity to transport broadband internet around UK homes (you can buy special plugs). BT do this... it's easy enough to modulate a signal on top of the power. However, you'd need something to demodulate it the other end.... Maybe a spy could plug something in somewhere...

http://www.explainthatstuff.com/broadbandoverpowerlines.html (ignore the vid and scroll down for explanation)

Luke
27th September 2010, 11:51
Actually, it might be much more easier.
Where is most of electronics produced ?
Where does 90% of rare elements needed to produce electronics come from?

China?

Easier way is to create some special components that will do other things than specified.
Another way, within realm of known physics principles is to create component mirrors : two identical elements made of quantum entangled materials. Sure- sounds awfully science fiction- but with enough time, money and manpower- it's doable. China has plenty of either.

The easiest answer is ofcourse - they need not to plant anything, gates have been open because too many people profit from increased tension, and subsequent spending on stiffer security procedures and bigger security staff. This is the horse I would put money on.

Grizzom
28th September 2010, 12:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EemTva8GW3g

Snowy Owl
29th September 2010, 20:42
September 29, 2010 - 3:19 P.M.
Who, or maybe WHAT, is behind the S t u x n et worm?

http://blogs.computerworld.com/17059/who_or_maybe_what_is_behind_the_stuxnet_worm?source=rss_blogs

Stuxnet' computer worm - 24 Sept. 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6bG8Db09sY&feature=player_embedded)

Are Publicly stated is that Iran, Indonesia and India are now attack.

The End exe of the malware is said to be unknown.

Video interview with Symentec Boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6bG8Db09sY&feature=player_embedded

Snowy Owl
29th September 2010, 20:48
News Update: Stuxnet Cyber Worm May Infect Iran's Nuclear Program
from Trade the Trennd.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVuiXgNrGWE&NR=1

Snowy Owl
29th September 2010, 21:13
Alex Jones response on stunnet

Believe this is to allowed passing Cyber Security Act to protect US Infrastructures, then describe the target was Iran done by US or .il

Stuxnet False Flag Launched For Web Takeover! (Alex Jones Trails)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYB-yxxsbig&feature=related

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The attack of India does surprised me unless the Chinese/India Confrontation was more intense than perceived.

Again that wait and see mode

Anchor
29th September 2010, 23:34
> Who, or maybe WHAT, is behind the S t u x n et worm?

The usual suspects. State sponsored hack, at the behest of dark forces with the usual fear agenda.

Lefty Dave
29th September 2010, 23:50
Who stands to gain....from the attack itself...from the mindset that the attack creates....from the actions that will be demanded by the powers that be....who's agenda moves forward because of this....???There you have perpe traitor...!
Blessings

Snowy Owl
30th September 2010, 02:13
Aleks
Kaspersky Lab Expert
Posted September 26, 18:28 GMT
zhttp://www.securelist.com/en/blog/325/Myrtus_and_Guava_the_epidemic_the_trends_the_numbers


Over the last few days, Stuxnet has been covered extensively in the mass media. And it's been covered differently by different sources. "Iran", "Bushehr nuclear plant" and "cyber-weapon" are phrases which are already inexorably linked to Stuxnet. One of the main arguments behind the "Iranian" theory is that Iran is the epicentre of the epidemic, as it has the largest number of computers identified as being infected. However, any estimates about the number of infected machines can only be based on the data which AV companies get from their clients' machines. And such data only comes from those countries where a company actually has clients. So if there aren't any clients, or the antivirus product in question isn't widely used, any estimates have to be regarded as having a serious margin of error.

You have to look at data from several companies in order to get a reasonable idea of what's going on. And in addition to this, you have to know what market share the company in question has in the relevant country.Nearly all sources agree on one point: that Iran, India, and Indonesia lead in terms of infections. Some put Iran in first place, some India. Unfortunately, what's getting forgotten is that the Stuxnet epidemic (like any epidemic) isn't static: the worm is continuing to spread, and while some systems remain infected, many of them have been cleaned.
We've been monitoring the epidemic. A look at the data from the last three months gives us a chance to pinpoint what changes have taken place, and to maybe establish which country the worm initially spread from.

Our data set comes from the Kaspersky Security Network, our in-the-cloud service. The data throws up some interesting facts, but it should be stressed that this is data from our personal product line, and not data collected by our other products.The table below lists the twenty most infected countries from the start of July (when detection for Stuxnet was added to our bases) until now. India, Iran, and Indonesia take the top three. But Iran isn't in first place; neither is it in second.

Anchor
1st October 2010, 00:00
Stuxnet was first discovered a while back. If you are interested in more coverage of the technology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

Stuxnet is a clever worm - so clever that a lot of security people think that it had to be sponsored by people with very deep pockets ($10m-$100m dollar pockets) - industrial espionage style.

The reason is that it was designed to attack and interfere with a certain class of industrial hardware controllers - and not for example the usual activities of subverting a computer, stealing information and creating "bot nets" used to attack other computers.

That said - I would say that it has probably failed in its main aim - which I assume was to destroy something spectacularly. However, it has succeeded in the probably secondary goal of causing the usual virus panic and media promotion of a sense of helplessness/victim mindset.

Nothing has blown up so far as I know. The virus has been identified now and people mostly know how it works. Asides from people that caught with their defences down, there is no real problem. Those people now need to get some hardware controllers in their plant reprogrammed. Boo hoo! Now they have a great opportunity to adopt better computer security.

Snowy Owl
1st October 2010, 05:18
Than you John, but I read that the finality of the woem has not yet been identify by any experts.

Snowy

Anchor
1st October 2010, 11:44
It is true that there is some as yet unencrypted parts.

My guess, that this is just there to wind people up. I expect this is some random white noise in there (impossible to decrypt as it means nothing) as part of the reverse engineering defences - a nice red herring for the researchers.

Snowy Owl
1st October 2010, 12:42
World War 3 is set up in few weeks, this worm might be the reason for the Internet shut down.

Snowy Owl
1st October 2010, 13:20
Stuxnet 'cyber superweapon' moves to China
Sep 30 07:16 AM US/Eastern
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.f6fba55ad8f5e329c0c25bad9aa7b8d3.651&show_article=1

A computer virus dubbed the world's "first cyber superweapon" by experts and which may have been designed to attack Iran's nuclear facilities has found a new target -- China.
The Stuxnet computer worm has wreaked havoc in China, infecting millions of computers around the country, state media reported this week.

Stuxnet is feared by experts around the globe as it can break into computers that control machinery at the heart of industry, allowing an attacker to assume control of critical systems like pumps, motors, alarms and valves.

It could, technically, make factory boilers explode, destroy gas pipelines or even cause a nuclear plant to malfunction.

The virus targets control systems made by German industrial giant Siemens commonly used to manage water supplies, oil rigs, power plants and other industrial facilities.

"This malware is specially designed to sabotage plants and damage industrial systems, instead of stealing personal data," an engineer surnamed Wang at antivirus service provider Rising International Software told the Global Times.

More at : http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.f6fba55ad8f5e329c0c25bad9aa7b8d3.651&show_article=1

Swami
3rd October 2010, 15:15
Computer hackers have unleashed the first virus designed to damage targets in the real world - opening the door to a new era of cyber-warfare. Skip related content



The Stuxnet worm is the first known malicious software designed to destroy or sabotage factories, power plants, refineries or other industrial installations.

We are used to Trojans and viruses roaming the internet harming computers and causing financial damage, but Stuxnet is in a league of its own.

The worm targets closed and highly secure industrial networks.

After being introduced with a USB key, Stuxnet slips past four previously unknown vulnerabilities in the Windows operating system, so-called "zero day" vulnerabilities.

It is rare for malicious software to exploit even two of them.

Each one can take months for hackers to identify and more time to write software to exploit.


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100929/twl-hackers-unleash-worm-that-damages-re-3fd0ae9.html

Beth
3rd October 2010, 22:17
Merged 4 threads on the same topic.

Kulapops
4th October 2010, 09:52
World War 3 is set up in few weeks, this worm might be the reason for the Internet shut down.

Nah?! Really ?! How few is a few ?

If we have world war 3 in a few weeks, then the global corporate machine will miss out on Christmas... Nah... it's got to be post the January sales at least...

Anyway, I've eaten all my tins up. Drat. Knew I should have saved a couple...

I think attacking Iran would not be so easy as attacking Iraq. The US is aware of this and are currently overstretched as it is with Afg and Iraq. Meanwhile Iran are building a bomb as quick as they can so they will have some kind of deterrent when the time comes.

Just perhaps... we'll never have that World War 3 (as we never did in the 80s) because the consequences are just too dire. More likely change through financial collapse will shape the coming decades - and if anyone looks set for that , it could well more likely be the states. That would change the geopolitical map quite some.... becuase as US loses grip.. so China will take up the slack.

However, US might not want to let it get that far.. at which point bombs may be the only way to even stakes...

But you see.. you can postulate till the cows come home. That's only scenarios and it doesn't make any of it real. or likely. I think life loves to come up with stuff you never thought of. That's what makes living such an experience !

K

Beth
4th October 2010, 19:37
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1316747/Stuxnet-worm-attacking-Irans-nuclear-facilities-includes-Biblical-link-Israel.html


Israel has been linked to a complex worm currently attacking computers in Iran, which experts claim may have been designed to target the country's nuclear facilities.

The Stuxnet worm, supposedly aimed at slowing Iran's desire to create a nuclear arsenal, appears to include a reference to a Biblical story in which Jews pre-empt a Persian plot to destroy them.

The New York Times reports a file inside the Stuxnet code is named 'Myrtus' - a reference to the Hebrew word Esther, the same name as the Old Testament book in which the story appears.

Suspicion over the origin of the computer worm, which appears to have been created to disrupt Tehran's nuclear programme, has fallen on both Israel and the U.S in recent days.

Iran said this week that Stuxnet is continuing to mutate and wreaking havoc on computerised industrial equipment.

Kulapops
4th October 2010, 19:45
It's not fighting fair really, is it ?

I'd laugh if stuxnet accidentally gave us a mutation of computer control that gave rise to Cyberdine ... as in the Terminator movies

(In fact, wasn't it industrial machines in Terminator that went 'sentient', giving rise to Cyberdine ?)

Anyway.. what am I saying... Cyberdine already exists.. Look ! Some people eh ?

http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/

I mean.. these guys are good huh ? Walkies !

http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/robotsuithal/index.html

irishspirit
5th October 2010, 16:03
Dutch multinationals under attack from Stuxnet worm

A major supplier of industrial sorting systems based in the Netherlands has repelled two attacks by the dangerous Stuxnet worm, while separately, the Dutch nuclear power plant Borssele is on high alert.

A major supplier of industrial sorting systems based in the Netherlands has repelled two attacks by the dangerous Stuxnet worm, while separately, the Dutch nuclear power plant Borssele is on high alert.

Reactions to the dangerous Stuxnet worm have varied from company to company. Willem Van der Craats, corporate IT manager at Vanderlande Industries, expressed only a vague notion of what Stuxnet is about. Yet after internal consultation Van der Craats acknowledged that the worm has attacked Vanderlande's systems.

http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=7948A378-1A64-67EA-E473A18859381224

jackovesk
17th January 2011, 07:59
Prison Planet.com Sunday, January 16, 2011

On Saturday, the Gray Lady of establishment propaganda, the New York Times, passively admitted that the Stuxnet virus responsible for crippling Iran’s nuclear energy program was engineered by Israeli and U.S. intelligence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/world/middleeast/16stuxnet.html?_r=2&hp

“Officially, neither American nor Israeli officials will even utter the name of the malicious computer program, much less describe any role in designing it,” writes the Times. “But Israeli officials grin widely when asked about its effects.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm388ZgQfl4&feature=player_embedded

A number of computer scientists, nuclear enrichment experts and former officials, say the covert race to create Stuxnet was a joint project between the Americans and the Israelis, with help from the Germans and the British.

The effort to sabotage Iran began during the Bush administration. In early 2009, Bush signed off on an effort to undermine the electrical and computer systems around Natanz, Iran’s major enrichment center. Obama was briefed on the plan before he took office.

In addition to gumming up Iran’s enrichment hardware, the U.S. and Israel have engaged in an assassination campaign aimed at the country’s scientists.

In November of last year, Iranian president Ahmadinejad accused Israel and the United States of killing a nuclear scientist and wounding another with a pair of bomb attacks. In January of 2009, a senior physics professor was assassinated. In 2007, Iranian state TV reported that nuclear scientist, Ardeshir Hosseinpour, died from gas poisoning. Israel’s Mossad was suspected. During the news conference, Ahmadinejad also admitted to the Stuxnet attack.

In November, it was reported that the Stuxnet virus had infected 44,000 computers worldwide.

Stuxnet is a double-edged sword. In addition to setting back Iran’s nuclear program, the sophisticated malware engineered by the U.S. and Israel at the Dimona complex in the Negev desert has been exploited to push for restrictive cybersecurity measures in the United States.

“The very fact that Stuxnet exists shows that we can no longer pretend that a cyber attack on our critical infrastructure is hypothetical and hyperbolic,” declared Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee chairman Joe Lieberman in November. “You’re talking about a very well-resourced and structured adversary.”

Lieberman and Susan Collins, the panel’s ranking Republican, used Stuxnet to push for their cyber-security bill, entitled The Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act of 2010.

The bill would amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 and extend the already-broad definition of “critical infrastructure” to the internet and would allow Obama to shut down not only entire areas of the internet, but also businesses and industries that fail to comply with government orders following the declaration of a national emergency, thus increasing fears that the legislation will be used as a political tool.

“Right now China, the government, can disconnect parts of its Internet in case of war and we need to have that here too,” Lieberman said in June.

“The Senator’s reference to China is a telling revelation of what the cybersecurity agenda is really all about. China’s vice-like grip over its Internet systems has very little to do with ‘war’ and everything to do with silencing all dissent against the state,” Paul Joseph Watson wrote at the time.

In September, Alex Jones pegged Stuxnet as a false flag event. See the rest on the Alex Jones Channel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYB-yxxsbig&feature=player_embedded

Lieberman and Collins are not the only enemies of a free and open internet. Also in 2009, senators Jay Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe proposed the CyberSecurity Act of 2009 that would give Obama similar all-encompassing powers over the internet. Under that legislation, the Commerce Secretary would be given the power to have access to all data over networks deemed as “critical infrastructure.”

Rockefeller has said that we would be better off if the internet was never invented. He added that the internet represents a serious threat to national security.

In addition, according to Rockefeller, corporate media that wanders from the government generated script also represents a threat. “There is a bug inside of that wants to get the FCC to say to Fox News and MSNBC… out, off,” he said during a hearing on retransmission negotiations between broadcasters and cable providers. “We have journalism that is always ravenous for the next rumor, but insufficiently hungry for the facts that can nourish our democracy.”

Advanced malware designed by intelligence agencies will continue to be used to advance the argument that the government has to institute totalitarian control over the internet in order to save us. Our globalist control freak rulers will not rest until they neuter the internet. Stuxnet is simply another tool in the quest for that objective.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/confirmed-stuxnet-was-false-flag-launched-by-israel-and-u-s.html