My challenge to not vaccinate, me vs. ministry

[RUSirius]

I wanted to make this thread, to journal if you will my task of allowing my daughter to avoid vaccinations, and allow for sharing of details and advice for people with relating circumstances. I know there are quite a few threads about vaccines, this should be different because I am in the process of a meeting with the chief medical officer for the Government of Guyana. I will make a long story short, I had chosen from before my daughters life to not vaccinate, in her short time on this planet she has had a "right side" developmental issue where she is slower using the right side of her body, it seems its the brain, however mentally she is sharp as a whip and has no issues at all. I am trying to avoid all vaccines, however I may not be able to do so, my back up plan is to avoid most of the vaccines, I've done my research and made my choices. I make the statement about her right side issue because much research shows links to some very challenging and life long disabilities if a child has an adverse reaction. Guyana does has not developed any exemptions to the vaccination laws, so I will be the guinea pig, as I defend my rights (hopefully) as a parent. This is what I've done so far to prepare for the meeting with the chief medical officer:

Contacted my doctor, he is writing a letter to state that my daughter has a development issue with her right side. He will not say anything adverse about vaccines because he does not share my opinion, but it least I've got him to help with something.

Contacted the principal secretary to the chief medical officer, she told me to build my case, collect my data and come prepared, she was actually quite nice.

Compiled my data, and working on my brief presentation

I am not making a case to "promote change" or "bring awareness" down here, and I will be clearly stating that to the CMO, I dont want to instantly put him on the defensive, this is a mom and dad making a case for there child and theres alone. Although I am stating this I know that the act of doing this will bring awareness in itself, it has already started, I have had head teachers asking me for more information for other parents, that was not my goal, but its happening, just to make the point that these things take on a life of there own. I'll write more and keep it short and sweet from here on out, to keep people informed and hopefully give each other ideas.

[Muzz]

Good luck on your journey RUsirius. Thanks for sharing.

[william r sanford72]

a purpose for everything. seems you are planting seeds RUSirius.also preparing is key and thats what your doing..what ever ammo you can gather....much encouragement your way.

[Kimberley]

Jeff

I gleen that you are not looking for ammunition against vaccinations ( you have done the research already) however you are looking for support in your undertaking of informing the "officials".

I started studying about vaccinations over 20 years ago. My daughters are almost 21 & 17. I only vaccinated them with polio & tetanus because 20/16 years ago that was what was recommended to me for various reasons that I am not going to explain now. However 20 years later I probably would not even do that.

I live in the US in Massachusetts and in MA we only have 2 ways to opt out of vaccinations medical reasons or religious reasons. I easily was able to opt out via religious reasons even though I am not religious...however I am very spiritual...I had no problems with my daughters getting through school. I am very grateful for this!!!!!

Jeff you are not in the US so as much as I am rooting for you and thank you for the information you are and will be passing on to others that do not even question, I expect that you are prepared to not win this. I so am wanting to hear that you did win!! And as I said I am here supporting you 1000%!!!..

Much love!

[sigma6]

I wish you the best of luck, and a credit for taking the time and resources to go after this. And I would be very interested in any possible legal interpretation on the outcome. I hope that your presentation includes a follow up return visit, taking into consideration you fully expect them to read ALL the information you are providing them, or the opportnity to deliver your research before hand with the understanding it is to be read before any hearing or resolution. Everything is a contract, and more ultimately a trust issue. But if you want something, the onus is on you to spell it out in black and white, presume nothing, take nothing for granted, your entering into a house of mirrors. (Legal jurisdiction)

I am still of the belief this all comes down to jurisdiction and presumption and\or rebuttal of that presumption, which is in effect what you are attempting to do here. Solve that and we are all free to make our own choices, but anyone who is in contract with any corporate entity doesn't have the right to make certain choices in violation of the conditions of that contract. Although not practical advice at this stage, I hope that it has some impact on your thinking.

[RUSirius]

Jeff

I gleen that you are not looking for ammunition against vaccinations ( you have done the research already) however you are looking for support in your undertaking of informing the "officials".

I started studying about vaccinations over 20 years ago. My daughters are almost 21 & 17. I only vaccinated them with polio & tetanus because 20/16 years ago that was what was recommended to me for various reasons that I am not going to explain now. However 20 years later I probably would not even do that.

I live in the US in Massachusetts and in MA we only have 2 ways to opt out of vaccinations medical reasons or religious reasons. I easily was able to opt out via religious reasons even though I am not religious...however I am very spiritual...I had no problems with my daughters getting through school. I am very grateful for this!!!!!

Jeff you are not in the US so as much as I am rooting for you and thank you for the information you are and will be passing on to others that do not even question, I expect that you are prepared to not win this. I so am wanting to hear that you did win!! And as I said I am here supporting you 1000%!!!..

Much love!

Hi Kimberley and thanks so much maybe I'm way naive, but I think I can win this, I just keep that picture in my mind.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I am praying for your success.

~Mother of an autistic boy

[mosquito]

Well done, and I think you have the right attitude. If you look as though you're fighting them, they are less likely to cooperate.

Obviously you need to be well prepared, and might I suggest that the material you look at is that produced by the drug companies themselves.

Adverse reactions are very well known to the pharmaceutical companies, despite what they say to the media. If you can find a nurse or doctor who can obtain for you the information which is supplied with the vaccines, detailing adverse reactions and contra-indications, these are sources of data that the CMO cannot reasonably reject. Data from recognized, reputable publications (New England Journal of Medicine being just 1 example) are also more likely to help you than those from publications, rightly or wrongly, perceived as "alternative". Also emphasize the efforts that you will be making to boost your daughter's immunity.

I laud you for your attitude, trying to "change" the system and making yourself appear more enlightened are counter-productive in many (if not all) cases. Good luck !

[Kimberley]

Like I said Jeff I am with you on this 1000% Much love and all the best!

[sheme]

Hi friend picture him as a wonderful compassionate man who will assist you- really visualize this when you meet him, and through out your meeting.

[conk]

My heart is with you. I just had a conversation with my holistic MD last week. His daughter has not had a single vaccine and never will. I applaud you in your attempts to keep your girl safe and healthy.

It is so far beyond all reason and understanding how any authority can mandate injection of a substance into our bodies! Seriously, think about it (sorry, I know you already have) and absorb the full implications. The most bizarre of the most weird. Almost like science fiction.

Best wishes and best of health for your family!

[eva08]

All the best - stay strong -- LOVE with you

[soleil]

i hope to not ever vaccinate my daughter ever again...

[donk]

it has already started, I have had head teachers asking me for more information for other parents, that was not my goal, but its happening, just to make the point that these things take on a life of there own.

Nice! I have been learning (the hard way) that living by example, taking care of yourself (in a selfless way) is the best "activitism"--at least for "everyone else"...it can be tricky us "reluctant" pathfinders, but it is amazing how many become attracted to the path.

Keep blazing that trail, for you and yours--and it will continue to serve those around you, hopefully the spread will not stop...

[RUSirius]

Hi friend picture him as a wonderful compassionate man who will assist you- really visualize this when you meet him, and through out your meeting.

Very good idea, I've takin your advice and have been using it the last two days and will continue to do so.

[RUSirius]

My heart is with you. I just had a conversation with my holistic MD last week. His daughter has not had a single vaccine and never will. I applaud you in your attempts to keep your girl safe and healthy.

It is so far beyond all reason and understanding how any authority can mandate injection of a substance into our bodies! Seriously, think about it (sorry, I know you already have) and absorb the full implications. The most bizarre of the most weird. Almost like science fiction.

Best wishes and best of health for your family!

Thanks much conk, one thing I took for granted in the states was the holistic md option, I'm actually contacting my daughters old holistic md and seeing if I can get a letter from her as well, cant hurt right?

[we-R-one]

Hi friend picture him as a wonderful compassionate man who will assist you- really visualize this when you meet him, and through out your meeting.

Very good idea, I've takin your advice and have been using it the last two days and will continue to do so.

What you're doing RUSirius is the perfect example to what I have promoted on "The Solutions" thread, and that is "be the change you want to see", kudos to you! The thought process that sheme is suggesting is being "the little red engine that did", not "the little red engine that could". By visualizing the results all ready being completed, you are creating the reality you want, through manipulating the energy fields- get as many as you can following the same belief system. For more inspiration, take a look at the first post from the thread below. Scroll down to the section that covers epigenetics. Take that same philosophy and apply it to what your doing.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52810-The-Solution-Is-In-Full-Swing-Are-You-On-Board


EPIGENETICS
Below is a great 6 minute video that explains briefly how your thoughts change your well being, this is a must listen too! Click on where it says Epigenetics – How Does It Work? Here are a few quotes from that video:

“Your beliefs can change your genetic expressions.”

“The only limitations, I believe are on the environmental fields which influence the perceptions. And as a result then, other people’s beliefs and attitudes around you are part of what you are perceiving and since perception controls epigenetics than our philosophy our cultural things that are going on around us, the beliefs of others, also then become a part of that field, which then can control epigenetics and it could totally impact what you can do…..”

“Beliefs can heal you, but the beliefs of those around you from other people can also influence your ability to express your own beliefs. One of our greatest limitations are the inherent cultural beliefs that we buy into because everyone around us is sharing these beliefs……..Beliefs are energy fields and as such are really influential in shaping our expression.”

“The new science has everything to do with your beliefs”

http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/epigenetics.php



One more tidbit for inspiration.....watch the technique used in this video to heal this woman...it was the thought process that healed her because they kept the mindset that she was all ready healed, she was the "little red engine that did".

Curing Cancer Using Our Own technology of Emotion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMNlmn1DPc

Hope this helps and offers additional reinforcement.



For those who might not be familiar with the famous children's story, "The Little Red Engine That Could"....it's often used to motivate children/adults into thinking that they can accomplish whatever they want if they put their mind to it.....what I'm suggesting is taking it a step further by using the same storyline as a basis, but instead all ready accomplishing the task at hand in one's mind rather than "thinking they can."

http://tigger.uic.edu/~plotnick/littleng.htm

[we-R-one]

It sounds like you might have your material all ready together for your presentation, but wanted to make sure you had seen this video that someone posted a while back on the forum. Did you by chance catch this? omg... everyone should take the time to watch. Dr. Trent explains exactly what viruses they have put in our vaccinations which reinforces why so many of us all ready have auto-immune diseases.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aHRMjVHggI

[Michelle Marie]

I wanted to make this thread, to journal if you will my task of allowing my daughter to avoid vaccinations, and allow for sharing of details and advice for people with relating circumstances. I know there are quite a few threads about vaccines, this should be different because I am in the process of a meeting with the chief medical officer for the Government of Guyana. I will make a long story short, I had chosen from before my daughters life to not vaccinate, in her short time on this planet she has had a "right side" developmental issue where she is slower using the right side of her body, it seems its the brain, however mentally she is sharp as a whip and has no issues at all. I am trying to avoid all vaccines, however I may not be able to do so, my back up plan is to avoid most of the vaccines, I've done my research and made my choices. I make the statement about her right side issue because much research shows links to some very challenging and life long disabilities if a child has an adverse reaction. Guyana does has not developed any exemptions to the vaccination laws, so I will be the guinea pig, as I defend my rights (hopefully) as a parent. This is what I've done so far to prepare for the meeting with the chief medical officer:

Contacted my doctor, he is writing a letter to state that my daughter has a development issue with her right side. He will not say anything adverse about vaccines because he does not share my opinion, but it least I've got him to help with something.

Contacted the principal secretary to the chief medical officer, she told me to build my case, collect my data and come prepared, she was actually quite nice.

Compiled my data, and working on my brief presentation

I am not making a case to "promote change" or "bring awareness" down here, and I will be clearly stating that to the CMO, I dont want to instantly put him on the defensive, this is a mom and dad making a case for there child and theres alone. Although I am stating this I know that the act of doing this will bring awareness in itself, it has already started, I have had head teachers asking me for more information for other parents, that was not my goal, but its happening, just to make the point that these things take on a life of there own. I'll write more and keep it short and sweet from here on out, to keep people informed and hopefully give each other ideas.

I am an awake and aware teacher. I TOTALLY support you on this. FREE WILL CHOICE is the Cosmic Law. Ethics are on your side.

I've learned a lot through research what the negative impacts of vaccines are and how they are used deceptively for harm and infertility. It seems the link to autism can't be denied, though it's been tried.

Thank you for being a Lightworker in this way. You teach by example. Intelligence and free will choice is trumping the "status quo" and the Powers That Were.

And just because I'm a teacher I have to say this: "there child" should be "their child." "There" is a place and "their" signifies "belonging to." You can use that as you state your case. You are right. These things (Truth) take on a life of their own because there is inherent power in Truth. You didn't do it for the reason of power, but that is the natural flow of Light/Truth. It is active on its own. (Truth is active and darkness is passive can be understood by the fact that if you open a door from a hallway that has light, the light spills into the dark room...not the other way around. That demonstrates a principle.)

This is the first post I read, so forgive me if I said anything that's already been stated.

Bless you, your wife, and your daughter.
Michelle Marie

[Michelle Marie]

I am still of the belief this all comes down to jurisdiction and presumption and\or rebuttal of that presumption, which is in effect..

This is true on one plane of existence. However, we are operating interdimensionally now. The unification of our heart, mind, body, and soul develops the knowing that can discern truth. And there is a powerful Light that comes from that awareness: it IS the light personified in our individual perception and expression. This standing up for free will choice based on truth.

In terms of power, let's say one goes to the physical plane experience known as "court" to make a rebuttal against the "law of the land"/jurisdiction. It's amazing what other forces show up! And truly, now that we are sharing information (oh boy, I wish I had a video right off the bat), we are discovering latent gifts and abilities that baffle the heck out of the status quo. Sean David Morton can tell you about that one! (Thanks, Sean.) We have the tools to be Victorious everywhere.

I love to say: "God is Clever."

When God, or the infinite intelligence of the Oneness that we are part of comes through, WOW! there's no mistaking that. I know things (words) have come through me, and I knew they didn't come from my little mind, that have saved my life.

It's kind of boiling down to intelligence vs. intelligence that's evolved.

I mean seriously...those who were trying to deceive with impure motives and intentions (greed, power, control) vs. pure motives (love, peace, brotherhood) only show their lack of evolution. It's funny and very sad. But the buck stops here. This is it. You take one step in the right direction, and many more do, too, and the momentum gets so strong, there is NOTHING that can stop it. I believe that's where we are now.

We are unified in Truth and Love. Unstoppable.

In Unity,
Michelle Marie

[conk]

I've often thought that if I was forced to vaccinate my family or myself I would simply try some old fashioned bribery. What poor $15 hour medical technician would refuse a bundle of cash for a certificate? Fan out $500 worth of $20s and watch their eyes light up while they fake your paperwork. Hey, might be worth a try.

[RUSirius]

I've often thought that if I was forced to vaccinate my family or myself I would simply try some old fashioned bribery. What poor $15 hour medical technician would refuse a bundle of cash for a certificate? Fan out $500 worth of $20s and watch their eyes light up while they fake your paperwork. Hey, might be worth a try.

Well my friend, in Guyana NOTHING is impossible, I have already considered this and am prepared to do this if necessary. I also found out that a child can take private lessons and does not have to attend state or private schools. Now I am completely on board with this, my wife has fallen for the "socialization" trap, so I'm working on her, I think she'll come around. At the end of the day, as long as I have exhausted all my options, success or not, I'll be able to look at myself in the mirror.

[RUSirius]

As for the whole using religious beliefs as an "out" for vaccinating, what are the religions that are anti-vaccination? If there aren't any, can we make a religion, or use a more modernly vague religion like "Gnostic" and just say that "they" were "anti-vaccine" so the teachings therefor are "anti-vaccine"? It all sounds silly, I know, and this is not the ideal approach, but the system is so damn stupid and crazy and "boundry-over steppin" that maybe it needs to be met with a silly approach in some cases, it could work, at least in Guyana. Again in Guyana, they do not have religious beliefs as an "out" but I think that is because nobody has ever tried to address this topic.

[Kimberley]

As for the whole using religious beliefs as an "out" for vaccinating, what are the religions that are anti-vaccination? If there aren't any, can we make a religion, or use a more modernly vague religion like "Gnostic" and just say that "they" were "anti-vaccine" so the teachings therefor are "anti-vaccine"? It all sounds silly, I know, and this is not the ideal approach, but the system is so damn stupid and crazy and "boundry-over steppin" that maybe it needs to be met with a silly approach in some cases, it could work, at least in Guyana. Again in Guyana, they do not have religious beliefs as an "out" but I think that is because nobody has ever tried to address this topic.

In the US Christian Scientists religion does not buy into medical intervention... however I suspect in Guyana Christian Science religion is non exsistant or very small....

In Mass USA I chose the religious exemption even though I am not religious in any way shape or form...I feel no shame in using what ever means I need to use to accomplish my goal.

[RUSirius]

As for the whole using religious beliefs as an "out" for vaccinating, what are the religions that are anti-vaccination? If there aren't any, can we make a religion, or use a more modernly vague religion like "Gnostic" and just say that "they" were "anti-vaccine" so the teachings therefor are "anti-vaccine"? It all sounds silly, I know, and this is not the ideal approach, but the system is so damn stupid and crazy and "boundry-over steppin" that maybe it needs to be met with a silly approach in some cases, it could work, at least in Guyana. Again in Guyana, they do not have religious beliefs as an "out" but I think that is because nobody has ever tried to address this topic.

In the US Christian Scientists religion does not buy into medical intervention... however I suspect in Guyana Christian Science religion is non exsistant or very small....

In Mass USA I chose the religious exemption even though I am not religious in any way shape or form...I feel no shame in using what ever means I need to use to accomplish my goal.

I completely agree, no shame at all with this goal, I guess I am now a "christian scientist", do I need a uniform? When claiming religious exemption in Mass, did you have to say which religion you were? It looks like I'm going to make a multi-pronged case with this, both the medical and religious route.

[donk]

Heh, I was wondering if religion flies as an out down there, good to hear. Would be nice to effect change, but hey, you tried...gotta do what you gotta do. Hope it isn't too much of a pain

[RUSirius]

Heh, I was wondering if religion flies as an out down there, good to hear. Would be nice to effect change, but hey, you tried...gotta do what you gotta do. Hope it isn't too much of a pain

Well my friend, it sucks that I have to do this at all, but its not a pain, truly. Its for someone I love, the outcome is unknown, but as long as I try my best, thats all I can do. The "religious out" is not implemented down here, I am hoping to be the first, I am applying both religious and medical "beliefs" for my case. I'm also serious about making up a religion based upon an "obscure" religion and just make up my own rules. Number one, the leader of my religion most where a bowl on his/her head, and have an oversized spatula for a "blessing stick", I think this is a good foundation, something good to build from, it should all fall into place after these most important teachings are in place!;)

[donk]

Heh, I was wondering if religion flies as an out down there, good to hear. Would be nice to effect change, but hey, you tried...gotta do what you gotta do. Hope it isn't too much of a pain

Well my friend, it sucks that I have to do this at all, but its not a pain, truly. Its for someone I love, the outcome is unknown, but as long as I try my best, thats all I can do. The "religious out" is not implemented down here, I am hoping to be the first, I am applying both religious and medical "beliefs" for my case. I'm also serious about making up a religion based upon an "obscure" religion and just make up my own rules. Number one, the leader of my religion most where a bowl on his/her head, and have an oversized spatula for a "blessing stick", I think this is a good foundation, something good to build from, it should all fall into place after these most important teachings are in place!;)

It should be based on no one messing with your prescious bodily fluids (that way you can tackle the flouride issue if it comes up):

0he-LZNzVg0

I’ll proudly don my bowl-head and spatula and start the North American chapter of the new RUSirius religion to lend to its cred—as long as your way is as pure as your fluids, that development of all your ideas come during the physical act of love, and you are interpreting your feelings correctly…

[RUSirius]

Heh, I was wondering if religion flies as an out down there, good to hear. Would be nice to effect change, but hey, you tried...gotta do what you gotta do. Hope it isn't too much of a pain

Well my friend, it sucks that I have to do this at all, but its not a pain, truly. Its for someone I love, the outcome is unknown, but as long as I try my best, thats all I can do. The "religious out" is not implemented down here, I am hoping to be the first, I am applying both religious and medical "beliefs" for my case. I'm also serious about making up a religion based upon an "obscure" religion and just make up my own rules. Number one, the leader of my religion most where a bowl on his/her head, and have an oversized spatula for a "blessing stick", I think this is a good foundation, something good to build from, it should all fall into place after these most important teachings are in place!;)

It should be based on no one messing with your prescious bodily fluids (that way you can tackle the flouride issue if it comes up):

0he-LZNzVg0

I’ll proudly don my bowl-head and spatula and start the North American chapter of the new RUSirius religion to lend to its cred—as long as your way is as pure as your fluids, that development of all your ideas come during the physical act of love, and you are interpreting your feelings correctly…

Bless you my child! The beauty of the bowl hat is it can be used when necessary, new rule, no cleaning of the bowl hat after use, EVER. Great flick by the way, "gentleman, there will be no fighting in the war room." On a more serious note, I have thought about tackling the flouride issue as well, my best plan was to pay a couple guys to go "tag" information all over the Guyana Water Authority, then I scratched that idea for now, I do plan on making some flyers though and handing them out at my place of business. Man I tell you, most people down here have no clue about these things. I also had an argument two days ago with the head teacher of a school, I should have stayed calm but I kinda lost my cool, she listened to my case, said she doesnt care, vaccinations is the way she knows how to do things and nothing or no information will change her mind, not even willing to consider my arguments, I had to put down the phone.

On a new note my wife and I are attempting to start up our own day care and schooling, identifying the loop holes and allow other parents if and when the time comes to have an easier path then we do, I have someone going down to the mayor and city council office today to get me the information I need to prepare. I am also about to contact the "Christian Scientist" organization to see if someone would be willing to write me a letter, why not right?

[Michelle Marie]

Heh, I was wondering if religion flies as an out down there, good to hear. Would be nice to effect change, but hey, you tried...gotta do what you gotta do. Hope it isn't too much of a pain

Well my friend, it sucks that I have to do this at all, but its not a pain, truly. Its for someone I love, the outcome is unknown, but as long as I try my best, thats all I can do. The "religious out" is not implemented down here, I am hoping to be the first, I am applying both religious and medical "beliefs" for my case. I'm also serious about making up a religion based upon an "obscure" religion and just make up my own rules. Number one, the leader of my religion most where a bowl on his/her head, and have an oversized spatula for a "blessing stick", I think this is a good foundation, something good to build from, it should all fall into place after these most important teachings are in place!;)

I'd say my religion is: FREE WILL CHOICE
It happens to be a law of the Universe.

My choice then would be to decline vaccinations.

I'm feeling very strong about my religion these days!!!

Love and Victory,
Michelle Marie

[conk]

RU, it sounds like you've done your homework, but do consider this. The drug companies have been caught red-handed "testing" various vaccines in third world countries. Worse, these "tests" often have a harmful agenda. Sterilization being one. Intentional infections. One of the companies has been caught three times, doing the same thing. Baxter is the name. Egregious stuff they claim are mistakes. This is yet another reason to avoid the vaccines in countries other than, say the UK or USA.

I'll never forget a video of African mothers running from a camp, crying "here come the baby killers". The camp was set up to actually help the children, but the mom's had seen the effects of other doctors who vaccinated them with compounds meant to sterilize them. These poor ignorant women were not so dumb after all.

[RUSirius]

RU, it sounds like you've done your homework, but do consider this. The drug companies have been caught red-handed "testing" various vaccines in third world countries. Worse, these "tests" often have a harmful agenda. Sterilization being one. Intentional infections. One of the companies has been caught three times, doing the same thing. Baxter is the name. Egregious stuff they claim are mistakes. This is yet another reason to avoid the vaccines in countries other than, say the UK or USA.

I'll never forget a video of African mothers running from a camp, crying "here come the baby killers". The camp was set up to actually help the children, but the mom's had seen the effects of other doctors who vaccinated them with compounds meant to sterilize them. These poor ignorant women were not so dumb after all.

Yes my friend, I've thought of that as well, there is no doubt a different/similar agenda for vaccines in "third world" countries, I dont think I should bring that up to the chief medical officer...unless I can bring him "proof", looking into articles about this now. Thanks again conk.