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Cidersomerset
14th April 2013, 21:15
A couple of finance stories....


David Stockman: This Is a Giant Ponzi Scheme, It's Just Debt on Top of More Debt

Sunday, 14 April 2013 11:13
Posted by David Icke

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The Bitcoin bubble
Bitcoin display on phone More from RoryHP’s boss

Yesterday afternoon I looked at my mobile phone and found that I had $121 (£79) in it.
A couple of hours later though, I only had $79 (£51). But by this morning my phone
told me I had $93 (£60) to spend.Actually, what I had was 0.53 in Bitcoin, the virtual
currency whose wild gyrations over the last 24 hours have raised questions about its
long-term viability. I got my Bitcoin a couple of weeks ago, because I was making a
radio piece about the currency. My mission then was to work out how easy it was to get
and then spend Bitcoins - and I eventually ended up with a rather expensive pizza,
ordered via an American site and delivered by a London chain.

The whole cumbersome process of getting and spending the currency invented in 2009
by a mysterious Japanese (or possibly American) man called Satashi Nakamoto
convinced me of one thing - that Bitcoin was not yet much use except as a means of
speculation. The only reason to get hold of Bitcoins right now is because you think they
might be worth a lot more in a few hours or days. Now if you bought into the market
back in January when you could get one Bitcoin for $15 (£10) you'd have been pretty
smug yesterday when the price hit a new high of $260 (£170).

But if you were one of those who found out about Bitcoin from the mass of recent media
and bought at yesterday's peak, then you've learned a valuable lesson - like tulips in
the 17th Century and London houses in 1988, prices can go down as well as up.

There have been all sorts of explanations of what caused yesterday's crash - from a
problem at the main exchange to a strange incident in which someone called
Bitcoinbillionaire apparently started giving away large sums on the social news site
Reddit. A likelier reason is our old friends Greed and Fear combining to inflate and then
depress prices as all those new arrivals crowded into the market.All this talk of a Bitcoin
bubble has annoyed the true believers - an interesting mixture of libertarians and
cryptographic specialists charmed by the idea of a currency that embodies many of the
open and virtually ungoverned principles of the internet itself.

They maintain that the key feature of Bitcoin is that the supply can never exceed a
certain number - 21 million - and that it has recovered from previous crashes when its
demise was predicted.What is true is that we are seeing a fascinating experiment in
what a currency of the future might look like. But unless and until Bitcoin can be used to
buy a sandwich, or be accepted by your friends when you pay them back for a
restaurant meal, then it is likely to remain just a playground for geeks and gamblers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22110345

Cidersomerset
14th April 2013, 21:22
Then the next story says JP Morgan made record profits............Its all a con as we
Know, manipulate ,collapse markets & make more digital currency that does not
really EXIST ..lol !!

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.35.2/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

12 April 2013 Last updated at 16:04

JP Morgan makes record quarterly profitJPMorgan building

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JP Morgan said it set aside a lot less for possible bad debts

JP Morgan has reported record first quarter profits of $6.5bn (£4.2bn) and says
there are signs the US economy is "healthy and getting stronger".

The bank said it had reported a strong performance across all businesses.Retail
banking deposits rose 10%, new mortgage orders rose 37% and the company said
it had kept the top spot for earnings from investment banking.Mortgage lender
Wells Fargo also released results, and it also reported record first quarter profits.
Wells, the fourth biggest bank in the US, saw net income rise by 22% to $5.2bn
helped by cost cutting.Wells Fargo chairman and chief executive, John Stumpf,
said: "Loans and deposits demonstrated continued growth in a challenging
economic environment."

'Positive signs'

JP Morgan said it had cut mortgage loan loss reserves by $650m and property asset
reserves by $500m.The bank was also boosted by a big drop in spending on
litigation, which was $0.3bn in the first quarter of 2013 compared with $2.7bn a
year earlier.JP Morgan was struck by massive losses last year as a result of
the "London Whale" trades, which cost the bank $6bn. These came in the corporate
and private equity division, which recorded a profit of $250m in the quarter
compared with a loss of $1bn in the same period a year earlier.Jamie Dimon,
chairman and chief executive of the bank said the results were helped by an
improving US economy.

"All our businesses had strong performance, and our client franchises did
exceptionally well," he said.

"We are seeing positive signs that the economy is healthy and getting stronger.
Housing prices continued to improve and new home purchases are also starting to
come back.

"We also saw strong performance in our credit card portfolio, with net charge-offs
remaining near historic lows, another sign that consumers are healthier and more
confident."

However, he added that the growth in demand for loans had slowed during the first
three months of the year and that small businesses remained "cautious" about the
recovery and were nervous about possible changes to tax rates.


He said this was making some of them reluctant to invest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22126115

GlassSteagallfan
15th April 2013, 00:30
Here is some more gasoline for the fire: (it's a long read, so bring marshmellows)

http://silverdoctors.com/jim-willie-zirp-the-death-knell/

donk
15th April 2013, 00:42
I like the term "pyramid scheme" better, it works on more levels.

Mulder
15th April 2013, 06:36
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eaglespirit
15th April 2013, 13:07
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&

Observer1964
15th April 2013, 15:19
I think the name ECONOMY is complete wrong. It suggests that u are economic with for example say the Earth, but in our reality we (well a tiny percentage of 'we') are using up the earth to gain pieces of paper with a number on it asif we can buy a new earth if this one is used up.
Also we talk about kapitalism and free market asif it is the same, but Kapitalism is a traject, it starts with a free market but ends in everything owned by A few or one, the last stage of capitalism is basicly slavery for the manny. (Just like playing monopoly except if u loose u cant quit playing)

If we truly want to be economic (with the Earth) we better think up a better system, but then again, we are so afraid of change that we keep on going till it becomes impossible to continue and necessity forces us to change or die.

WhiteFeather
15th April 2013, 20:25
And the Ponzi scheme is about to go belly up. Be prepared as i feel its coming to a country near you. Anything of falseness cannot stand on its legs forever. The playing field is about to become level again IMO.

donk
17th April 2013, 22:06
And the Ponzi scheme is about to go belly up. Be prepared as i feel its coming to a country near you. Anything of falseness cannot stand on its legs forever. The playing field is about to become level again IMO.


It's weird energy (and maybe Dennis and Vivek) that compelled me to start looking at this mess again, I was chicken little screaming like from '99 to about '09, and they kept the house of cards up. In fact, I was using the ponzi scheme as the perfect example, that nobody wanted to hear. I had to stop, it was draining my life, making me intensely depressed.

Now people are paying attention, and the stuff that was once "unbelievable" or "irrelevant" is making the public awarness. On trying to remember my thermodynamics analogy I also used to like to bring up, I thought....hmmm, conservation of energy, what's ulli's favorite saying: "energy goes where intention flows"...or something to that effect?

We gotta bring that to the awareness, that we all make this **** up as we go along, that is all a construct, and that we can make it whatever we want...if we just see through the nonsense.

"Virgin ears" close your eyes...I was browsing my favorite cynical dark sarcasm-based comic today, and found this way relevant (and to me, funny...but not ha-ha-funny :pout:)...it has bad words the forum won't edit...it's from november two thousand SEVEN:

http://mnftiu.cc/blog/images/gywo.increasingly_mixed.gif

enfoldedblue
19th April 2013, 03:30
Well finance is not my department, but I have noticed a lot about bitcoin recently. Yesterday I saw on Yahoo news that bitcoin was over and all money would be returned. This seemed like big news but no one is talking about it.


BITCOIN trading exchange BitFloor has halted trading indefinitely and is promising to return everyone's money.
The price of the virtual currency has been fluctuating wildly over the last few weeks announced on its website that it must "cease all trading operations indefinitely...due to circumstances beyond its control".

The announcement comes after weeks of denial of service attacks and technical problems that led to severe price fluctuations.

"Unfortunately, our US bank account is scheduled to be closed and we can no longer provide the same level of USD deposits and withdrawals as we have in the past," wrote BitFloor founder Roman Shtylman.
"As such, I have made the decision to halt operations and return all funds.

"Over the next days we will be working with all clients to ensure that everyone receives their funds. Please be patient as we process your request."
http://www.news.com.au/technology/biztech/bitcoin-exchange-bitfloor-shuts-down-trading/story-fn5lic6c-1226623544108

ThePythonicCow
19th April 2013, 07:32
Well finance is not my department, but I have noticed a lot about bitcoin recently. Yesterday I saw on Yahoo news that bitcoin was over and all money would be returned. This seemed like big news but no one is talking about it.


BITCOIN trading exchange BitFloor has halted trading indefinitely and is promising to return everyone's money.
Note that that story is about BitFloor (a Bitcoin trading exchange) halting operations, not a story about Bitcoins being all over. Other organizations trade in Bitcoins, and individuals can exchange Bitcoins between themselves.

enfoldedblue
19th April 2013, 08:02
Ahhhh thanks Paul :-) Makes sense now.