Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

[jackovesk]

Dr. Steve Pieczenik: Reason For Boston False Flag

Apr 18, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC0H98bRaOU

The Reason For The Timing Of The Boston False Flag; Bi-Patrisan-War Crime Actions of Bush, Obama, and Clinton Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity: Part 1:

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The Unintended Consequences of the Boston Massacre: THE SPECIFIC INDICTMENT of Bush Jr/Obama/CIA/US Military “Torture of 9/11 Prisoners” at GITMO—FINALLY CONFIRMED as a “WAR CRIME”— Equivalent to Prosecuted Nazi War Crimes and the Torture/ Internship Of Japanese Americans During WWII.

Nothing beats a sensational front page news story like a Boston Marathon Massacre! Most readers would miss the incidental but far more serious implication for the moral compass of America than the NY Times story by Scott Shane, entitled, “U.S. Practiced Torture After 9/11, Non Partisan Review Concludes”. (posted earlier)

In this article, both Asa Hutchinson[Republican/Bush Jr Administration] and James R. Jones [Democrat, Congress] indict the interrogation and tortures committed by Presidents Clinton [Rendition], Bush Jr [full menu of tortures], Obama .

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In essence, this bipartisan report, along with 6,000 pages of still classified docs IMPLICATES THREE ADMINISTRATIONS of INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES—RENDITION, TORTURE, ENHANCEDINTERROGATION.

What does this mean in the midst of our frenzy to find ‘supposed terrorists’ of the Boston Marathon Massacre?

It means that, as I have previously repeated time and time again, we have had and still have Presidents who have willingly committed acts of International War Crimes Punishable by Death and / or Life Imprisonment.

Furthermore, to make matters even worse, the extensive investigations showed that the abominable, criminal activities of interrogation, torture, water boarding committed by the CIA, US military, US mercenaries and sanctioned by three presidents were like the wars themselves- totally useless.

In short, the USA is GUILTY of COMMITTING USELESS WAR CRIMES!!!

Have I, an experienced counter –terrorist expert with thirty years experience who had never had to touch even one detainee, let alone torture or ‘interrogate’ anyone, suddenly had a fit of righteous indignation or just decided to vent his RELENTLESS FURY for UNREPENTANT SINS of our THREE PRESIDENTS and their MINIONS?

The answer lies not in the headlines nor in the hysterical media distractions of a tragic occurrence which I might have been able to predict (I think Patriarch did predict this), had I known beforehand that this report would come out on the same day as the BOSTON MARATHON.

That’s right! You’ve got it! Once again, Obama in concert with FEMA, CIA, FBI, and other National Security minions—the usual ‘choir boy suspects’—decided to OFFER A DISTRACTION.

Bloody! Macabre! Inane!! Insensitive!

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But please place this Boston Marathon along side the sacrifices that Bush jr was willing to make in terms of dead American bodies in 9/11—close to 3,000 innocent Americans in the World Trade Center alone. The Boston Marathon Massacre is small potatoes in the theater of distractions for war crimes.

A decade ago, Bush Jr had no qualms, of course along with his close pal Cheney, of sacrificing a few thousand US military men in the useless Iraq War. Don’t forget the hundreds of thousands of innocent Pakistanis, Yemenis, Afghanis, and Iraqis that Obama, Panetta, Tenet, Hayden, Brennan et al, are willing to sacrifice in the name of ‘terror’ or, excuse me, the ‘war on terror’.

So what’s a few Americans who were killed and injured in the Marathon Race? Nothing, really, in comparison to the full scope of the extent of the horror that Clinton, Bush jr and Obama collectively had engaged in maiming the innocent; torturing the prisoners; injuring and killing the countless thousands of innocent civilians; destroying societies and countries; and creating world wide MAYHEM and CHAOS—all for the sake of NATIONAL SECURITY??

Let me be more precise and list some of the issues that are relevant to the ‘torture’, ‘interrogation’ and ‘the legal consequences’ of those actions over a thirty year period since the Clinton Administration.

But first let’s go back, a bit further to WWII.

—A Japanese General was summarily executed by the US allies for waterboarding pilots who had been caught in the Jimmy DoLittle Raid on Tokyo.

— US Army soldiers during the Vietnam War summarily placed in prison for waterboarding Viet Cong prisoners of war.

—In 1948, Norwegians executed German SS officers practicing ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ called ‘Versharfte Vernehmung’ developed by Gestapo Chief Heinrich Muller, using ‘sleep deprivation’, ‘extreme cold’, ‘suspension in stress positions’ and ‘deliberate exhaustion’.

—Navy Captain Albert Shimkus Jr, who ran a hospital for the prisoners at Gitmo protested the unethical behavior.

— Bill Clinton, Sandy Berger approved rendition.

—Bush jr, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Condi, Steve Hadley, Elliot Abrams, Gen. David Petraeus, Jose Rodriguez [head of CIA Covert operations], John Brennan, David Addington [WH staff], all approved the use of severe interrogation methods including hypothermia, waterboarding, stress positions, abdominal beatings, genital torture, and other bodily and psychological harm according to Department of Justice Concurrence of Attorney General John Ashcroft as written in the paper by John Yoo. Also concurring to these aforementioned methods were NSA Director General Michael Hayden, SecState Collin Powell, and DCI George Tenet .

—The only official to dissent officially and was subsequently reprimanded was Philip Zelikow, PhD who wrote a memo contesting the DOJ’s Torture Memo written by John Yoo and others in “Justice”.

— Karl Rove told BBC in 2010: ”I’m proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They’re appropriate, they’re in conformity with our international requirements and with US law”.

—Cheney: ” I was and remain a strong proponent of our enhanced interrogation program.”

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—Congresswoman, later Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi [D, Cal. San Francisco] in a meeting with the CIA/Bush Jr Administration—WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTED ENHANCED INTERROGATION AND TORTURE!

I am told there are too many words so this is part 1… Otter Walks on Two Feet… 17/04/13

http://planet.infowars.com/politics/the-reason-for-the-timing-of-the-boston-false-flag-bi-patrisan-war-crime-actions-of-bush-obama-and-clinton-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity-part-1

PS - If you want to Download the (Alex Jones Show) MP3 here it is...

Complete & Full (Analysis) of the Boston Bombing (False Flag)

The PTW are in (PANIC) mode...

The Alex Jones Show -- 2013 Apr 18 TH [1st 4 Hours]


From the Infowars web site :: On the Thursday, April 18 edition of The Alex Jones Show, Alex lays out the huge victory Infowars had yesterday in identifying several members of the Boston Marathon crowd that looked highly suspicious, even though a supposed arrest had already been made. Quite possibly, Infowars, with help from crowd sourced sites and a treasure trove of independent photos, may have held a huge part in destroying the official narrative the government intended to run with. We'll also examine the explosion at a West Texas fertilizer plant that killed as many as 15 people and injured more than 160.

http://sebaygo1.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/the-alex-jones-show-2013-apr-18-th-1st.html#more

[Jeffrey]

Alright. I think this is the most plausible explanation. I also think this is why all the media outlets and officials are worried.

The biggest story (other than the tragedy of lost lives and limbs) is that personnel from the Craft were there, and that there were bomb drills being conducted around the incident. I don't think it's because it was a false flag. Well, maybe it could have been, but all factions and authorities in a multi-tiered government aren't all on the same page.

It's looking increasingly likely that this is indeed a coverup. I think Mike Adams and Alex Jones are a tad off base. They're on the right trail, but their focus is shifted and stuck a little too deep in conspiracy to be honest. No disrespect to them, Alex has done great work, but let's just take a breath and a step back to analyze some things.

Here are some of the pictures out there of the Craft personnel.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg

These guys where definitely there. Observing.

This next one is especially important.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg

What he is holding in his hand is a radiation detector. Used to detect any radiation, like the kind that would emanate from nuclear weapons or a myriad of other types of bombs (unfortunately, not the pressure cooker).

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Radiation_Detector.jpg

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These men were hired for security measures. The authorities probably did receive a tip that there could be a bombing, or they at least received intelligence about a bomb threat. So, the city authorities beefed up security under the guise of performing drills (for increased readiness, just in case) and they hired Craft.


A threat may have been made, or the authorities may have received a tip about a possible bombing. Therefore, they beefed up security. Instead of informing the public (which they probably rarely do, if ever), they found it prudent to conduct a drill surrounding the event. In this way, they could be better prepared against countering such a threat -- increased readiness.

Obviously, it didn't work out if that was the case. Yet, it could account for the increased security.

The city may have even hired the personnel from Craft for added security measures. I do think it's strange that they were there though, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities considering the aforementioned scenario.

If they did have prior knowledge of a bombing, you bet they'd try to cover it up. If this thing could have been avoided and people find out, there would undoubtedly be outrage and public officials would share accountability. They tend to keep things like this from the public because it would weaken the public perception of their projected power and system of control.

They like keeping secrets, which leaves us guessing within a wide range of "what if" scenarios.

Freshly after the Sandy Hook incident, many are happy to color the secrecy with false flag conspiracies. This may or may not be the case. What I'm more sure of than anything is that the gov't won't let this crisis go to waste. Whether they're behind it or not.

This is the story I think. Imagine the public outcry if we learned that the authorities knew that an attack was possible because they received or had prior knowledge of a threat. They obviously took the threat seriously enough to enact these dramatic security measures.

Why would the media and public officials deny something as obvious as the presence of Craft operatives in addition to the same day bomb drills? To protect themselves from public scrutiny. The pieces fit. If it comes out that they knew this could've have happened, and thereby been avoided, then they would have to share accountability. This is a big deal.

Even if it was some sort of false flag operation, it was beyond the awareness of the local authorities and the Craft operatives.

That's why they are scared, because they may face the prospect of sharing responsibility if it comes out that this could have been avoided by calling off the event. They played a risky hand, and tried to hedge their bet with the bomb drills, Craft personnel, and overall increased security. They bet wrong.

This is the cover-up. All the talk of false flags can resume, but I think if that was the case, it came from much higher up.

Again, the gov't doesn't like a crisis to go to waste. They'll exploit anything they can to increase their power and control. They'll sure as hell do anything they can to place the blame as far away from them as they can. In this case though, they may be close to having to share some accountability for this tragic event.

The FBI and DHS may also be trying to cover up the incompetence as well. Hence all the confusion, and the neglect of such apparent facts.

EDIT/ADD:

Considering the false flag scenario ... The biggest question in my mind is: Why wasn't the event cancelled if the threat was serious enough to require such security measures?

If there was this much added security surrounding the event, it's not outside the range of possibility that some official/authority advised canceling the event.

It didn't get cancelled though. So, whoever it was that pressed for the event to ensue, then that is good reason to think that they were receiving orders from higher up to allow the event to continue in the face of the evidence that it should've been cancelled, or they are just negligent and made an extremely stupid decision. That, or they had knowledge that the bomb would indeed go off and it was to be allowed. Of course, they wouldn't admit to any of these possible cases. All are indeed cover-up worthy.

An irritated police official/authority had to follow pecking orders and allow the event to continue in the face of a credible threat and against their better judgement. So, they heavily increased security, conducted bomb drills surrounding the event, and hired Craft because the threat was so serious and yet they were instructed to allow the event to continue.

That makes the most sense to me considering the information that's available.

Cover-up. This is serious. This is a reason for them to be scared. In this case, you could be damn certain that the "higher ups" in the DHS and FBI wouldn't want these dots connected.

I'm sure that there are many threats around major events, but this one ... this one in particular was serious enough for all these measures. Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

Just like the events of 9/11 were "allowed" to take place by ignoring the files supporting the evidence of high-jackers training to fly planes into buildings. Prior knowledge: negligence, incompetence, complicity? I don't know.

Why should the gov't avert a crisis, when it can be used to their advantage somehow, to further their agenda?

In these kinds of cases, there's a fine line between incompetence and complicity.

Whoever ordered the event to continue is who we need to look at. Them and whoever pressured them to make that call. Then we can better judge if they were complicit or just plain incompetent. The former would indicate a false flag and the latter ... somebody could get either indicted, fired, or both.

[Hervé]

I would tend to agree, partly:


On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...


"The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.


However, this:

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Radiation_Detector.jpg

... would tend to indicate that the "Craft" guys have been conned in their briefing of what was to be expected: they were expecting a dirty bomb... something they thought they could detect beforehand... or may be it's just standard OP?

[Abhaya]

Alright. I think this is the most plausible explanation. I also think this is why all the media outlets and officials are worried.

The biggest story (other than the tragedy of lost lives and limbs) is that personnel from the Craft were there, and that there were bomb drills being conducted around the incident. I don't think it's because it was a false flag. Well, maybe it could have been, but all factions and authorities in a multi-tiered government aren't all on the same page.

It's looking increasingly likely that this is indeed a coverup. I think Mike Adams and Alex Jones are a tad off base. They're on the right trail, but their focus is shifted and stuck a little too deep in conspiracy to be honest.

Here are some of the pictures out there of the Craft personnel.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg

These guys where definitely there. Observing.

This next one is especially important.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg

What he is holding in his hand is a radiation detector. Used to detect any radiation emanating from nuclear weapons or other kinds of bombs.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Radiation_Detector.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Radiation-Alert-Ionizing-Detector-Geiger-Counter-X-Rays-Home-Office-War-Nuclear-/t/Radiation-Alert-Ionizing-Detector-Geiger-Counter-X-Rays-Home-Office-Nuclear-War-/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/$(KGrHqNHJC0E-P7m8qEBBPwGGKN7Sg~~60_1.JPG

These men were hired for security measures. The authorities probably did receive a tip that there could be a bombing, or they at least received intelligence about a bomb threat. So, the city authorities beefed up security under the guise of performing drills (for increased readiness, just in case) and they hired Craft.


A threat may have been made, or the authorities may have received a tip about a possible bombing. Therefore, they beefed up security. Instead of informing the public (which they probably rarely do, if ever), they found it prudent to conduct a drill surrounding the event. In this way, they could be better prepared against countering such a threat -- increased readiness.

Obviously, it didn't work out if that was the case. Yet, it could account for the increased security.

The city may have even hired the personnel from Craft for added security measures. I do think it's strange that they were there though, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities considering the aforementioned scenario.

If they did have prior knowledge of a bombing, you bet they'd try to cover it up. If this thing could have been avoided and people find out, there would undoubtedly be outrage and public officials would share accountability. They tend to keep things like this from the public because it would weaken the public perception of their projected power and system of control.

They like keeping secrets, which leaves us guessing within a wide range of "what if" scenarios.

Freshly after the Sandy Hook incident, many are happy to color the secrecy with false flag conspiracies. This may or may not be the case. What I'm more sure of than anything is that the gov't won't let this crisis go to waste. Whether they're behind it or not.

This is the story I think. Imagine the public outcry if we learned that the authorities knew that an attack was possible because they received or had prior knowledge of a threat. They obviously took the threat seriously enough to enact these dramatic security measures.

Why would the media and public officials deny something as obvious as the presence of Craft operatives in addition to the same day bomb drills? To protect themselves from public scrutiny. The pieces fit. If it comes out that they knew this could've have happened, and thereby been avoided, then they would have to share accountability. This is a big deal.

Even if it was some sort of false flag operation, it was beyond the awareness of the local authorities and the Craft operatives.

That's why they are scared, because they may face the prospect of sharing responsibility if it comes out that this could have been avoided by calling off the event. They played a risky hand, and tried to hedge their bet with the bomb drills, Craft personnel, and overall increased security. They bet wrong.

This is the cover-up. All the talk of false flags can resume, but I think if that was the case, it came from much higher up.

Again, the gov't doesn't like a crisis to go to waste. They'll exploit anything they can to increase their power and control. They'll sure as hell do anything they can to place the blame as far away from them as they can. In this case though, they may be close to having to share some accountability for this tragic event.

The FBI and DHS may also be trying to cover up the incompetence as well. Hence all the confusion, and the neglect of such apparent facts.

EDIT/ADD:

If there was this much added security surrounding the event, it's not outside the range of possibility that some official/authority advised canceling the event.

It didn't get cancelled though. So, whoever it was that pressed for the event to ensue, then that is good reason to think that they were receiving orders from higher up to allow the event to continue in the face of the evidence that it should've been cancelled. That, or they had knowledge that the bomb would indeed go off and it was to be allowed. Of course, they wouldn't admit to this.

An aggravated police official had to follow marching orders and allow the event to continue in the face of a credible threat and against their better judgement. So, they heavily increased security, conducted bomb drills surrounding the event, and hired Craft because the threat was so serious and yet they were ordered to allow the event to continue.

That makes the most sense to me. Cover-up. This is serious. This is a reason for them to be scared. In this case, you could be damn certain that the "higher ups" in the DHS and FBI wouldn't want these dots connected.

I'm sure that there are many threats around major events, but this one ... this one in particular was serious enough for all these measures. Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

Just like the events of 9/11 were "allowed" to take place by ignoring the files supporting the evidence of high-jackers training to fly planes into buildings.

Why should the gov't avert a crisis, when it can be used to their advantage somehow, to further their agenda?

In these kinds of cases, there's a fine line between incompetence and complicity.

Whoever ordered the event to continue is who we need to look at. Them and whoever pressured them to make that call. Then we can better judge if they were complicit or just plain incompetent.


Most reasonable explanation I've seen :bump2:

[Jeffrey]

I would tend to agree, partly:


On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...


"The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.


However, this:

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Radiation_Detector.jpg

... would tend to indicate that the "Craft" guys have been conned in their briefing of what was to be expected: they were expecting a dirty bomb... something they thought they could detect beforehand... or may be it's just standard OP?

Yes, I'm saying that they knew a bomb/attack was likely based on intelligence. The order was given, against somebody's better judgement, to allow the event to continue. I say better judgement because of the increased security, the bomb drills, and the Craft hires. So, somebody knew the severity of the threat was serious, yet they were forced to allow the event to continue.

They could have just known it was a bomb threat without anything more specific than that. I mean, the detectors would be the most prudent, "bomb sweeping" devices they could have used to find a bomb (i.e. standard OP equipment). The bomb didn't give off any radiation though, but these guys were there to find a bomb. They were all over the place surveying.

[jackovesk]

Alright. I think this is the most plausible explanation. I also think this is why all the media outlets and officials are worried.

The biggest story (other than the tragedy of lost lives and limbs) is that personnel from the Craft were there, and that there were bomb drills being conducted around the incident. I don't think it's because it was a false flag. Well, maybe it could have been, but all factions and authorities in a multi-tiered government aren't all on the same page.

It's looking increasingly likely that this is indeed a coverup. I think Mike Adams and Alex Jones are a tad off base. They're on the right trail, but their focus is shifted and stuck a little too deep in conspiracy to be honest.

Here are some of the pictures out there of the Craft personnel.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg

These guys where definitely there. Observing.

This next one is especially important.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg

What he is holding in his hand is a radiation detector. Used to detect any radiation emanating from nuclear weapons or other kinds of bombs.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Radiation_Detector.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Radiation-Alert-Ionizing-Detector-Geiger-Counter-X-Rays-Home-Office-War-Nuclear-/t/Radiation-Alert-Ionizing-Detector-Geiger-Counter-X-Rays-Home-Office-Nuclear-War-/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/$(KGrHqNHJC0E-P7m8qEBBPwGGKN7Sg~~60_1.JPG

These men were hired for security measures. The authorities probably did receive a tip that there could be a bombing, or they at least received intelligence about a bomb threat. So, the city authorities beefed up security under the guise of performing drills (for increased readiness, just in case) and they hired Craft.


A threat may have been made, or the authorities may have received a tip about a possible bombing. Therefore, they beefed up security. Instead of informing the public (which they probably rarely do, if ever), they found it prudent to conduct a drill surrounding the event. In this way, they could be better prepared against countering such a threat -- increased readiness.

Obviously, it didn't work out if that was the case. Yet, it could account for the increased security.

The city may have even hired the personnel from Craft for added security measures. I do think it's strange that they were there though, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities considering the aforementioned scenario.

If they did have prior knowledge of a bombing, you bet they'd try to cover it up. If this thing could have been avoided and people find out, there would undoubtedly be outrage and public officials would share accountability. They tend to keep things like this from the public because it would weaken the public perception of their projected power and system of control.

They like keeping secrets, which leaves us guessing within a wide range of "what if" scenarios.

Freshly after the Sandy Hook incident, many are happy to color the secrecy with false flag conspiracies. This may or may not be the case. What I'm more sure of than anything is that the gov't won't let this crisis go to waste. Whether they're behind it or not.

This is the story I think. Imagine the public outcry if we learned that the authorities knew that an attack was possible because they received or had prior knowledge of a threat. They obviously took the threat seriously enough to enact these dramatic security measures.

Why would the media and public officials deny something as obvious as the presence of Craft operatives in addition to the same day bomb drills? To protect themselves from public scrutiny. The pieces fit. If it comes out that they knew this could've have happened, and thereby been avoided, then they would have to share accountability. This is a big deal.

Even if it was some sort of false flag operation, it was beyond the awareness of the local authorities and the Craft operatives.

That's why they are scared, because they may face the prospect of sharing responsibility if it comes out that this could have been avoided by calling off the event. They played a risky hand, and tried to hedge their bet with the bomb drills, Craft personnel, and overall increased security. They bet wrong.

This is the cover-up. All the talk of false flags can resume, but I think if that was the case, it came from much higher up.

Again, the gov't doesn't like a crisis to go to waste. They'll exploit anything they can to increase their power and control. They'll sure as hell do anything they can to place the blame as far away from them as they can. In this case though, they may be close to having to share some accountability for this tragic event.

The FBI and DHS may also be trying to cover up the incompetence as well. Hence all the confusion, and the neglect of such apparent facts.

EDIT/ADD:

If there was this much added security surrounding the event, it's not outside the range of possibility that some official/authority advised canceling the event.

It didn't get cancelled though. So, whoever it was that pressed for the event to ensue, then that is good reason to think that they were receiving orders from higher up to allow the event to continue in the face of the evidence that it should've been cancelled. That, or they had knowledge that the bomb would indeed go off and it was to be allowed. Of course, they wouldn't admit to this.

An aggravated police official had to follow marching orders and allow the event to continue in the face of a credible threat and against their better judgement. So, they heavily increased security, conducted bomb drills surrounding the event, and hired Craft because the threat was so serious and yet they were ordered to allow the event to continue.

That makes the most sense to me. Cover-up. This is serious. This is a reason for them to be scared. In this case, you could be damn certain that the "higher ups" in the DHS and FBI wouldn't want these dots connected.

I'm sure that there are many threats around major events, but this one ... this one in particular was serious enough for all these measures. Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

Just like the events of 9/11 were "allowed" to take place by ignoring the files supporting the evidence of high-jackers training to fly planes into buildings.

Why should the gov't avert a crisis, when it can be used to their advantage somehow, to further their agenda?

In these kinds of cases, there's a fine line between incompetence and complicity.

Whoever ordered the event to continue is who we need to look at. Them and whoever pressured them to make that call. Then we can better judge if they were complicit or just plain incompetent.

G'day Vivek,

Thanks for your insight...

I'm curious though...


Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

To my mind, isn't that a...


:attention: (FALSE FLAG) in on itself...:confused:

[Jeffrey]

Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

To my mind, isn't that a...


:attention: (FALSE FLAG) in on itself...:confused:

It very well could be if that somebody knew with certainty that a terrorist event was going to happen. They could have just been following orders from somebody else. Somebody may have known for certain, or somebody is just plain stupid.

It's either incompetence/ignorance or complicity.

Those are the two most plausible options in my mind.

[turiya]

More from Pieczenik - The Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag to cover-up & distract the American public away from the publication (N.Y. Times) & public release of a criminal indictment of those that are at the top most levels of the U.S.G. for war crimes (use of torture).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUT4PU5tzmI


"An act of treason done in the face of tyranny is an act of patriotism" -- Steve Pieczenik in quoting one of the founding fathers

Indictment for War Crimes: FULL REPORT (https://stevepieczenik.com/docs/constitution-project-report-on-detainee-treatment.pdf) (pdf)

turiya :cool:

[Jeffrey]

Most reasonable explanation I've seen :bump2:

Thanks.

Yes, I think somebody is covering somebody else's arse. That somebody may hold a public office. They may not even be related to the somebody who actually planted the bomb.

But if all these somebody's are somehow connected, then somebody's in trouble.

[jackovesk]

More from Pieczenik - The Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag to cover-up & distract the American public away from the publication (N.Y. Times) & public release of a criminal indictment of those that are at the top most levels of the U.S.G. for war crimes (use of torture).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUT4PU5tzmI


"An act of treason done in the face of tyranny is an act of patriotism" -- Steve Pieczenik in quoting one of the founding fathers

Indictment for War Crimes: FULL REPORT (https://stevepieczenik.com/docs/constitution-project-report-on-detainee-treatment.pdf) (pdf)

turiya :cool:

A (MUST WATCH/LISTEN)...:bump:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/nytlogo152x23.gif

U.S. Engaged in Torture After 9/11, Review Concludes

By SCOTT SHANE

Published: April 16, 2013

WASHINGTON — A nonpartisan, independent review of interrogation and detention programs in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks concludes that “it is (INDISPUTABLE) that the United States (ENGAGED) in the practice of (TORTURE)” and that the nation’s (HIGHEST OFFICIALS) bore ultimate responsibility for it.

The sweeping, 577-page report says that while brutality has occurred in every American war, there never before had been “the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody.” The study, by an 11-member panel convened by the Constitution Project, a legal research and advocacy group, is to be released on Tuesday morning.

Debate over the coercive interrogation methods used by the administration of President George W. Bush has often broken down on largely partisan lines. The Constitution Project’s task force on detainee treatment, led by two former members of Congress with experience in the executive branch — a Republican, Asa Hutchinson, and a Democrat, James R. Jones — seeks to produce a stronger national consensus on the torture question.

While the task force did not have access to classified records, it is the most ambitious independent attempt to date to assess the detention and interrogation programs. A separate 6,000-page report on the Central Intelligence Agency’s record by the Senate Intelligence Committee, based exclusively on agency records, rather than interviews, remains classified.

“As long as the debate continues, so too does the possibility that the United States could again engage in torture,” the report says.

The use of torture, the report concludes, has “no justification” and “damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary and potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive.” The task force found “no firm or persuasive evidence” that these interrogation methods produced valuable information that could not have been obtained by other means. While “a person subjected to torture might well divulge useful information,” much of the information obtained by force was not reliable, the report says.

Interrogation and abuse at the C.I.A.’s so-called black sites, the Guantánamo Bay prison in Cuba and war-zone detention centers, have been described in considerable detail by the news media and in declassified documents, though the Constitution Project report adds many new details.

It confirms a report by Human Rights Watch that one or more Libyan militants were waterboarded by the C.I.A., challenging the agency’s longtime assertion that only three Al Qaeda prisoners were subjected to the near-drowning technique. It includes a detailed account by Albert J. Shimkus Jr., then a Navy captain who ran a hospital for detainees at the Guantánamo Bay prison, of his own disillusionment when he discovered what he considered to be the unethical mistreatment of prisoners.

But the report’s main significance may be its attempt to assess what the United States government did in the years after 2001 and how it should be judged. The C.I.A. not only waterboarded prisoners, but slammed them into walls, chained them in uncomfortable positions for hours, stripped them of clothing and kept them awake for days on end.

The question of whether those methods amounted to torture is a historically and legally momentous issue that has been debated for more than a decade inside and outside the government. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel wrote a series of legal opinions from 2002 to 2005 concluding that the methods were not torture if used under strict rules; all the memos were later withdrawn. News organizations have wrestled with whether to label the brutal methods unequivocally as torture in the face of some government officials’ claims that they were not.

In addition, the United States is a signatory to the international Convention Against Torture, which requires the prompt investigation of allegations of torture and the compensation of its victims.

Like the still-secret Senate interrogation report, the Constitution Project study was initiated after President Obama decided in 2009 not to support a national commission to investigate the post-9/11 counterterrorism programs, as proposed by Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, and others. Mr. Obama said then that he wanted to “look forward, not backward.” Aides have said he feared that his own policy agenda might get sidetracked in a battle over his predecessor’s programs.

The panel studied the treatment of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, in Afghanistan and Iraq, and at the C.I.A’s secret prisons. Staff members, including the executive director, Neil A. Lewis, a former reporter for The New York Times, traveled to multiple detention sites and interviewed dozens of former American and foreign officials, as well as former detainees.

Mr. Hutchinson, who served in the Bush administration as chief of the Drug Enforcement Administration and under secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said he “took convincing” on the torture issue. But after the panel’s nearly two years of research, he said he had no doubts about what the United States did.

“This has not been an easy inquiry for me, because I know many of the players,” Mr. Hutchinson said in an interview. He said he thought everyone involved in decisions, from Mr. Bush down, had acted in good faith, in a desperate effort to try to prevent more attacks.

“But I just think we learn from history,” Mr. Hutchinson said. “It’s incredibly important to have an accurate account not just of what happened but of how decisions were made.”

He added, “The United States has a historic and unique character, and part of that character is that we do not torture.”

The panel found that the United States violated its international legal obligations by engineering “enforced disappearances” and secret detentions. It questions recidivism figures published by the Defense Intelligence Agency for Guantánamo detainees who have been released, saying they conflict with independent reviews.

It describes in detail the ethical compromise of government lawyers who offered “acrobatic” advice to justify brutal interrogations and medical professionals who helped direct and monitor them. And it reveals an internal debate at the International Committee of the Red Cross over whether the organization should speak publicly about American abuses; advocates of going public lost the fight, delaying public exposure for months, the report finds.

Mr. Jones, a former ambassador to Mexico, noted that his panel called for the release of a declassified version of the Senate report and said he believed that the two reports, one based on documents and the other largely on interviews, would complement each other in documenting what he called a grave series of policy errors.

“I had not recognized the depths of torture in some cases,” Mr. Jones said. “We lost our compass.”

While the Constitution Project report covers mainly the Bush years, it is critical of some Obama administration policies, especially what it calls excessive secrecy. It says that keeping the details of rendition and torture from the public “cannot continue to be justified on the basis of national security” and urges the administration to stop citing state secrets to block lawsuits by former detainees.

The report calls for the revision of the Army Field Manual on interrogation to eliminate Appendix M, which it says would permit an interrogation for 40 consecutive hours, and to restore an explicit ban on stress positions and sleep manipulation.

The core of the report, however, may be an appendix: a detailed 22-page legal and historical analysis that explains why the task force concluded that what the United States did was torture. It offers dozens of legal cases in which similar treatment was prosecuted in the United States or denounced as torture by American officials when used by other countries.

The report compares the torture of detainees to the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. “What was once generally taken to be understandable and justifiable behavior,” the report says, “can later become a case of historical regret.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture-after-9-11-nonpartisan-review-concludes.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

PS - A :attention: (FALSE FLAG) for a (COVER-UP) just like Donald Rumsfeld's (Press-Statement) saying the Pentagon lost/could not account for $2.5 Trillion the (DAY BEFORE) 911...:yes4:

(BINGO)..!

2.3 Trillion Dollars Missing from DOD Day before 911 2001


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

What Can I Get For 2.3 Trillion?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9ryVbCxHk

PSS - Are (YOU)...

Starting to (GET IT) Now...? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeffrey]

I almost forgot I had a counter for you to consider about the backpacks.

Its very possible that they all were carrying backpacks with the nessesary equipment to dismantle a bomb in case one of them found one.

Also, there are pictures of them on the scene after the bomb exploded. The man holding the radiation detector is an example.

Okay, goodnight.

[Eram]

Very interesting that you bring up the exact two things that I was going to bring up to debate the theory that Vivek posted Dennis.

Indeed, the bulky backpacks seem very unusual for security personnel. If you are set on securing the area for bombs, you don't want incognito security people walking around that look like they might have bombs on them.
One thing though... You say that there are many men like these spotted with those particular outfits and backpacks. I have only seen the photo's of those two man (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=663382&viewfull=1#post663382). Are you or any one else aware of other photo's of different men with backpacks and the same outfits Dennis?

I have not studied the footage of the aftermath of the bombings, but if it is indeed true that these man with kaki trousers and black jackets are nowhere to be found, this would be a good indication of their mindset and motives to me. If you are really there to act as security, then you would behave different and not make yourself scares after the bombing.

I thought that Vivek made some valid points though and it could very well be true imo.

[Referee]

Shoot out with Marathon Suspect?????

wk6IZujmZlI

[Dennis Leahy]

I almost forgot I had a counter for you to consider about the backpacks.

Its very possible that they all were carrying backpacks with the nessesary equipment to dismantle a bomb in case one of them found one.

Also, there are pictures of them on the scene after the bomb exploded. The man holding the radiation detector is an example.

Okay, goodnight.
But bombs are not "dismantled." That only happens in the movies. Real bombs are put inside a containment vessel and explosives are used to blow up the supposed bomb. And when you see a real bomb-squad guy's outfit, you'll realize it could not fit in one of those backpacks.

Sorry, but the backpacks are very very odd for most of the security guys to have one. And they ALL disappear after the blast.

So there is a photo showing one of the (minimum 6) guys with khaki pants, khaki shoes, and black jackets after the blast. And, he's not running away from the scene. He's walking away from the scene. Walking away from the wounded.

Yes, the fact that he's holding that device makes me think he could have been a real security guy, hired for the event, and was doing his job. But when the blast went off... he certainly appears to be walking away.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

Very interesting that you bring up the exact two things that I was going to bring up to debate the theory that Vivek posted Dennis.

Indeed, the bulky backpacks seem very unusual for security personnel. If you are set on securing the area for bombs, you don't want incognito security people walking around that look like they might have bombs on them.
One thing though... You say that there are many men like these spotted with those particular outfits and backpacks. I have only seen the photo's of those two man (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=663382&viewfull=1#post663382). Are you or any one else aware of other photo's of different men with backpacks and the same outfits Dennis?

I have not studied the footage of the aftermath of the bombings, but if it is indeed true that these man with kaki trousers and black jackets are nowhere to be found, this would be a good indication of their mindset and motives to me. If you are really there to act as security, then you would behave different and not make yourself scares after the bombing.

I thought that Vivek made some valid points though and it could very well be true imo.
Hi Eram,

The images with the 2 guys with the criss-cross lines (that you linked): both have backpacks.

If you look at the first image in Vivek's post with the images, there are 3 guys. The middle one definitely has a backpack, the one on the left appears to have shoulder straps so I think he has one too. The guy on the right with coat open, it appears not, unless that black thing on the far right is not a coat-tail but a backpack strap.

Then, there is radiation detector guy. Does he have a backpack? This one is tough. There is a cop behind him with a black uniform, and I cannot tell if most of the top half of the cop is eclipsed by a backpack, or if that is all cop. I'd need a better resolution copy of that image.

But that's 6 "security" guys dressed this way, and I'd say minimum of 4 and possibly all 6 have backpacks.

If you look at the overview image in post #45 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=661990&viewfull=1#post661990) by AlexanderLight, you'll see civilians and some cops helping the wounded, and more cops at the top right moving toward the bomb scene... but no one with khaki pants, khaki shoes, and a black jacket. They have all departed the scene.

Dennis

[jackovesk]

Shoot out with Marathon Suspect?????

wk6IZujmZlI

Yep the (UNCONFIRMED) report has hit the papers 'Down Under' right on que..!

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/19/1226624/626769-cops-in-boston-483.jpg


BOSTON SHOOTOUT: ONE ARRESTED, ONE ON THE RUN


LIVE UPDATES: One of the suspects involved in the Boston Marathon bombing has been arrested, The Boston Globe reports. It comes after a shoot-out between police and multiple suspects in Watertown. Earlier, a college police officer was shot dead at MIT. One suspect is still believed to be at large.


http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-america/reports-of-gunshots-at-major-boston-university/story-fnh81jut-1226624370358

PS - They are really getting (DESPERATE) now...:yes4:

The (24 Hr) Spin Cycle is really going into (Warp Speed) Hyper-DRIVE now...:no:

PSS - What the US Govt/MSM all over the (World), just can't get through their (THICK) skulls is they have been...

BUSTED (BIG Time)..! :yes4:

[Referee]

Shoot out with Marathon Suspect?????

wk6IZujmZlI

Yep the (UNCONFIRMED) report has hit the papers 'Down Under' right on que..!

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/19/1226624/626769-cops-in-boston-483.jpg


BOSTON SHOOTOUT: ONE ARRESTED, ONE ON THE RUN


LIVE UPDATES: One of the suspects involved in the Boston Marathon bombing has been arrested, The Boston Globe reports. It comes after a shoot-out between police and multiple suspects in Watertown. Earlier, a college police officer was shot dead at MIT. One suspect is still believed to be at large.


http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-america/reports-of-gunshots-at-major-boston-university/story-fnh81jut-1226624370358

PS - They are really getting (DESPERATE) now...:yes4:

The (24 Hr) Spin Cycle is really going into (Warp Speed) Hyper-DRIVE now...:no:

PSS - What the US Govt/MSM all over the (World), just can't get through their (THICK) skulls is they have been...

BUSTED (BIG Time)..! :yes4:


This is Outrageous! why why why, here is some more Bull stuff UNBELIEVABLE,

FBI press conference...........

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[Wind]

Here is the other suspect's Facebook page from Google's cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AehUWJ0qlbFoJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FHelp-Us-Find-Sunil-Tripathi%2F403275636436466%3Fref%3Dstream%26_ft_%3Dsrc.9%253Asty.107%253Aactrs.145990752103241%253Ap ub_time.1364313105%253Afbid.513131625389150%253As_obj.5%253As_edge.2%253As_prnt.8%253Aft_story_name. StreamStoryCommentGeneric_ShareStreamContent_Other%253Aobject_timeline_token_map.Array%253Apage_post _create_time.1364313105%253Apage_id.145990752103241%253Aorigin_content.403275636436466%252C403275636 436466%253Atracking_info.0%252C0%252C0%252C0%252C0%252C16%253Acontent_creator.667649941%253Ainterfac e.m_basic+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Eram]

Very interesting that you bring up the exact two things that I was going to bring up to debate the theory that Vivek posted Dennis.

Indeed, the bulky backpacks seem very unusual for security personnel. If you are set on securing the area for bombs, you don't want incognito security people walking around that look like they might have bombs on them.
One thing though... You say that there are many men like these spotted with those particular outfits and backpacks. I have only seen the photo's of those two man (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=663382&viewfull=1#post663382). Are you or any one else aware of other photo's of different men with backpacks and the same outfits Dennis?

I have not studied the footage of the aftermath of the bombings, but if it is indeed true that these man with kaki trousers and black jackets are nowhere to be found, this would be a good indication of their mindset and motives to me. If you are really there to act as security, then you would behave different and not make yourself scares after the bombing.

I thought that Vivek made some valid points though and it could very well be true imo.
Hi Eram,

The images with the 2 guys with the criss-cross lines (that you linked): both have backpacks.

If you look at the first image in Vivek's post with the images, there are 3 guys. The middle one definitely has a backpack, the one on the left appears to have shoulder straps so I think he has one too. The guy on the right with coat open, it appears not, unless that black thing on the far right is not a coat-tail but a backpack strap.

Then, there is radiation detector guy. Does he have a backpack? This one is tough. There is a cop behind him with a black uniform, and I cannot tell if most of the top half of the cop is eclipsed by a backpack, or if that is all cop. I'd need a better resolution copy of that image.

But that's 6 "security" guys dressed this way, and I'd say minimum of 4 and possibly all 6 have backpacks.

If you look at the overview image in post #45 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=661990&viewfull=1#post661990) by AlexanderLight, you'll see civilians and some cops helping the wounded, and more cops at the top right moving toward the bomb scene... but no one with khaki pants, khaki shoes, and a black jacket. They have all departed the scene.

Dennis

Hi Dennis,

If I look at these photo's, I could be persuaded to believe that there are only 3 men figuring in those four photo's.
Certainly, the man at the finish line, could well be the same in all photo's imo.
Difficult to tell in the end, but I would bet my money on that.

Any way... three is more then two and it is very weird to me indeed that they have these huge bulky backpacks if they are trying to prevent a bombing.
If coordinating such a security event, I would go to great length, to prevent people like these to cause suspicion with huge backpacks, since you have to work with different entities (police, FBI, private security companies etc.) who are patrolling.

The overview photo by Alexanderlight isn't conclusive to me whether they all fled the scene.
I would be more convinced if all the film material after at the scene after the bombing paint the same picture.

There are things to be said for both directions of reasoning and unless the story really breaks open.... there will always be room for doubt.

[crosby]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17817173-boston-marathon-suspect-is-killed-second-his-brother-on-loose-after-firefight?lite

one officer dead. one suspect is killed. second suspect is on the loose. bomb blasts heard.

regards, corson

[Cidersomerset]

Boston Bombing: Michael Savage Rips Obama, Federal Cover-up and release of ‘Saudi national’

Boston Bombing: Michael Savage Rips Obama, Federal Cover-up and release of ‘Saudi national’
Friday, 19 April 2013 10:07
Posted by David Icke

'Mainstream US talk radio host Michael Savage has openly ripped into the White House
culture of political gamesmanship, deception and cover-ups – with an obvious focus on
the Boston Bombing cover-up by federal authorities and complicit corporate media like
CNN and of course, White House microphone MSNBC …'

The main problem is he gets fixed with Obama being a 'lefty communist', when the
'righty Neo-cons' did exactly the same. Still he sees its a total con !! His political
views are not the main issue, his next journey imo is to realise TPTB own & fund
Right & Left ....It was the 'hippy lefties' in the 1960's/70's that were enemies of
the state. Today its right wing gun toting extremists. We know most people are
somewhere in the middle .


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Read More..

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/04/1...audi-national/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/8...oston-bombings

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58312-Boston-Bombing-Michael-Savage-Rips-Obama-Federal-Cover-up-and-release-of---Saudi-national--

[Hervé]

These pictures should settle some of the speculations:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/before-blast.jpg

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg





http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg









For larger resolution pictures see: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craftinternational17apr13.shtml

[witchy1]

Is there 2 explosions in the first one???
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee7_1366052821

I watched some vids with the time clock in it. First one at 4.09.44 and second 4.10.12. at the same place. This one is clearest. - first vid in series
(sorry cant post the vid itself - not yt)

[Cidersomerset]

Acouple of news updates.....

Boston police: one bombing suspect remains on run

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Published on 19 Apr 2013

Boston public transport suspended amid manhunt

Police update on the hunt for one of the Boston marathon bombing suspects.


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Published on 19 Apr 2013


Armed police in Boston's Watertown area as manhunt for the marathon bombing suspect continues.

=================================================

Boston bombing suspects identified as Tsarnaev brothers from Russia, near Chechnya


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Published on 19 Apr 2013
AP sources identify the surviving Boston bomber as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The
man is said to be from Russia's south, not far from the Chechen Republic.The man
reportedly lived in Turkey before arriving legally in the US about a year ago. The
second suspect is said to be his brother - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/6u8xcy

[norman]

Sorry, but the backpacks are very very odd for most of the security guys to have one. And they ALL disappear after the blast.


Dennis

A few years ago, George Bush Junior came over here to Blighty to fraternize with Blair and the Queen.

On his last day here, probably as a promise to Blair, he visited Blair's local constituency up in the north east of England. I was working on a farm about a mile from Blairs house ( he was hardly ever there, actually ).

It was all very sorted. A massive plain black helicopter flew over our workshop at a very low altitude on the Monday or Tuesday doing what was obviously a reci' for the visit flight. On the Friday ( the big day ) another "2" big black chug-chug helicopters flew over. One was tracking the exact path the reci flight flew, the other was an outrider. They landed right outside Blair's house.

It was my dinner break time so I and my foreman went up and sat in my van at the village crossroads to eat our sandwitches and watch the fuss as the locals lined up to watch the cars go by as Blair and Bush ( and entourage ) made their way in road vehicles to the posh pub/hotel in Sedgfield for "lunch" together.

At that cross roads in the village there was an amazing mix of characters. The police were doing their thing, there were two rows of metal spikes across the minor road entrances to stop all traffic dead. There was a car full of oddities who actually punctured one of the tyres on the spikes and the driver made a big and suspicious fuss out of getting the tyre spanner and jack out of the back of the little car ( I think he was putting on a distraction to hide the fact that they had a super weapon in there that they wanted to be ready to drag out and use at a moments notice ).

Two of the guys who got out of that car and had nothing to do with what the driver was up to were very fit looking guys with triangular shaped backpacks. I was drawn to the appearance of these guys and told my foreman 'they didn't fit in around here at all'. He agreed and rushed off to tell the local copper ( policeman ) that those guys were not 'right'. The copper went over to have a word with one of them and came back over to us to say, "Oh, it's all right, they're something to do with the security" etc etc...

Damn right they were something to do with the security. I'm totally convinced that they had serious gun power and more in those neat backpacks. It would have been very uncool to walk around there toting guns in the open, so they had them hidden away in the backpacks.

As we drove back to the farm after the convoy had passed, I saw those guys in the back of the little car looking incredibly bored but 'all eyes' everywhere around them, they didn't miss a thing.

Basically, what I mean by telling all this, is that a backpack is the "polite" way to carry heavy gun power without looking too scary to the sleepy public.

[crosby]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651


live feed going on here.
corson

[dianna]

Mainstream media is now reporting the suspects are brothers from Chechnys

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Stranger by the minute

[turiya]

Let us all keep this in mind...


The History of American Terror: Manufactured by the FBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fySYxvV4rZA
Published on Apr 17, 2013

TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7276


The Boston Marathon bombing has provoked shock, grief and outrage from around the world. After decades of conditioning, the public automatically equates such terrorism with Muslim radicals. But the evidence shows that every major terror plot on American soil in the past 10 years has been fostered, funded and equipped by one organization - the FBI.

Let us all keep this in mind...

turiya :cool:

[Valle]

Let me guess: - they both will die during the chase. Case closed..

[Abhaya]

Exactly no chance in hell anybody is getting taken alive

[Earth Angel]

they had to work very quickly before too many people started paying attention to Alex Jones.

Also I find it disturbing that the villains of late are all so young......Young people as a group I feel are more awake than the average population and it seems we are being 'shown' that these 20 something year old kids are the most dangerous people on the planet! don't trust them.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

1609: BBC Monitoring reports that a man named Anzor, who said he was Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's father, told Russia's Interfax news agency his children were framed.
"The special services framed my children because they are believing Muslims," he was quoted as saying. "Why did they kill Tamerlan? They should have taken him alive. The younger one is now on the run; he was studying in his second year at a medical institute in the US. We were expecting him home in the holidays. Now I don't know what will happen."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651

[Jeffrey]

I almost forgot I had a counter for you to consider about the backpacks.

Its very possible that they all were carrying backpacks with the nessesary equipment to dismantle a bomb in case one of them found one.

Also, there are pictures of them on the scene after the bomb exploded. The man holding the radiation detector is an example.

Okay, goodnight.
But bombs are not "dismantled." That only happens in the movies. Real bombs are put inside a containment vessel and explosives are used to blow up the supposed bomb. And when you see a real bomb-squad guy's outfit, you'll realize it could not fit in one of those backpacks.

Sorry, but the backpacks are very very odd for most of the security guys to have one. And they ALL disappear after the blast.

So there is a photo showing one of the (minimum 6) guys with khaki pants, khaki shoes, and black jackets after the blast. And, he's not running away from the scene. He's walking away from the scene. Walking away from the wounded.

Yes, the fact that he's holding that device makes me think he could have been a real security guy, hired for the event, and was doing his job. But when the blast went off... he certainly appears to be walking away.

Dennis

Dennis,

C'mon man. Most of the men were at the scene. At least three were there after the explosion. The rest were probably down the street trying to locate and dismantle another bomb.

The photographs are all there of these men at the scene with the backpacks, and there's at least one picture where the man is holding the radiation detector. The ones that we know had backpacks still have their backpacks after the explosion.

If they were hired for security reasons and/or to find and dismantle a bomb, why would they go over to help the wounded when all the medics are there to do that. There were civilians helping out too.

The two men standing there could have been on lookout or standby and we know there was a third man with a radiation detector.

There could have been a containment vessel somewhere on the site, but I haven't seen one in any pictures. It doesn't matter though, containment vessels are always used as a first option resort. There are other options that may have to be used in different situations. Especially in an immediate and non-remote situation involving big crowds.

Bomb dismantling equipment could have fit in their backpacks.

The backpacks could've contained a hook & line kit.

http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1054871294/MK4-Hook-and-Line-Kit.jpg

It could've been a bomb technician kit a little smaller than this (heck, I think this size of a kit could be squeezed into one of those backpacks).

http://cdn3.stanleysupplyservices.com/images/p/jtk-73ftcp.01_s500_p1._Vc55de90a_.jpg

Often times, hook & line kits are prepackaged and custom made for backpacks.

http://www.fieldforensics.com/images/products/hollywood-backpack.jpg

http://www.specialforces.com/image/cache/data/standard/SOEODintegration-180x180.jpg

It didn't have to be a hook & line kit either. There are all purpose, general tool kits for backpacks used by bomb technicians.

http://www.idealblasting.com/images/products/detail/hookandlinekit.jpg

http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/upload/file/products_lg_2ndline.jpg

http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/upload/image/gallery/lg/2nd_Line_8969_LG.jpg

There could have been some sort of custom kits in those backpacks. Any kind.

Why would they just hire specialized Craft operatives to wear a bunch of backpacks to confuse people? Those are costly backpack models.

[Cidersomerset]

Boston bombing manhunt: 1 suspect dead, 1 at large in Watertown


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Published on 19 Apr 2013


The shooting in Watertown has been linked to Boston bombing. Police were chasing
two suspects, with one of them killed and another remaining at large. The survivng
suspect was identified as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The man is said to be from Russia's
south, not far from the Chechen Republic.


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Dagestan school secretary recalls ex-pupils Tsarnaev brothers
and says the family were Kurdish.....

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'Turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness'

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Published on 19 Apr 2013


Uncle of two Boston suspects urges Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to "give yourself up and ask
for forgiveness".

[jackovesk]

1609: BBC Monitoring reports that a man named Anzor, who said he was Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's father, told Russia's Interfax news agency his children were framed.
"The special services framed my children because they are believing Muslims," he was quoted as saying. "Why did they kill Tamerlan? They should have taken him alive. The younger one is now on the run; he was studying in his second year at a medical institute in the US. We were expecting him home in the holidays. Now I don't know what will happen."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651

Their 'Crime Computer' or 'Plan B, C, D, etc' or What ever else they have, aint gonna get the PTW/Govt./MSM (CRIMINALS) out of this one...:nono:

(ALL) Truthseekers should (DRAW the LINE in the SAND) on this (False Flag)...:yes4:

What's that Barry..?

http://www.carlsontoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sandC.jpg

Well (We) are (I am)...!!!!!!!!!!!!

(No Compromise Barry)...:nono: You and your (Murdering MONGREL) Masters, Minions & (TRAITORS) will (All) end up where you belong...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/ObamaInJail.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

We're getting to see a bit of hardware the "civilian" police force are using or have instant access too, just seen blackhawks flying around on one news clip.....

Amazing how 1 criminal can draw so much attention and cause a whole city to basically shut down.

With the strict gun laws already in place in Massachusetts, most civilians are being told to stay locked up in their homes....I hope they have plenty of rocks and sticks handy to defend themselves if this desperate armed criminal breaks in to their home to seek shelter and a hiding place.

[soleil]

on the news in Toronto, it is showing that Boston is under police lock-down while hunting for the suspect(s) (there's only one left now)

[SilentFeathers]

The media takes the story of the moment that they can sensationalize the most with fear and stress and run with it, nothing else happening in the world at the same time matters......it's quite pathetic in my opinion.

[jagman]

Fox, Just interviewed the younger suspect friend and he said he
is a good friend, He is a wrestler & boxer and he is a really nice guy
that would never be involved in something like this! Fox then cut
the interview off. I will try and find the interview and post it.

[Hervé]

Bomb squad guy (?) in full gear...


-ws6OrePRzk


... check against the left-hand side of second picture down:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/before-blast.jpg


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg
Marathon clocks display: 4:11:40
I watched some vids with the time clock in it. First one [explosion] at 4.09.44 and second 4.10.12. at the same place.



http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg


http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg


http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg



For larger resolution pictures see: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craftinternational17apr13.shtml

[jagman]

Here is a video of a school friend talking about the alleged suspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdkU3Halk_Q

[Earth Angel]

its funny how the years she personally knew him as a nice shy sensitive person is immediately wiped out and she finds it difficult to describe him as that after what he did......sheeple are so easily lead.


Here is a video of a school friend talking about the alleged suspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdkU3Halk_Q

[Earth Angel]

there is a controlled explosion set for this afternoon at the suspects home......this will make sure no evidence that might prove their innocence can be found.
All of his tweets have now been given a sinister twist by those only too willing to believe what is fed to them.

Conveniently the guy who lost both legs and was earlier thought to be a vet who had lost them 2 years ago?? is also the person who woke up from surgery and immediately wrote a note to identify them.....such a neat little tidy story.....only about 5 main players in the whole thing!





Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. ... He lost both legs below the knee. "He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me'," Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview. ...

While still in intensive care, Jeff Bauman gave the FBI a description of the man he saw, his brother said. Bauman’s information helped investigators narrow down whom to look for in hours of video of the attack, he said.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/04/19/jeff_bauman_boston_bombing_double_amputee_in_iconic_cowboy_photo_may_have.html



I feel like they acted pretty damn quick and in the middle of the night in an effort to throw people off the info Alex Jones was putting out.

[crosby]

on the news in Toronto, it is showing that Boston is under police lock-down while hunting for the suspect(s) (there's only one left now)


they have also stated that the lock down may go through the weekend, "as long as it takes", from my recollection. they are also going to do a controlled demolition of the suspects house.
regards, corson

[jackovesk]

its funny how the years she personally knew him as a nice shy sensitive person is immediately wiped out and she finds it difficult to describe him as that after what he did......sheeple are so easily lead.


Here is a video of a school friend talking about the alleged suspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdkU3Halk_Q

Yeh, 'Chechen Terror' alright...:pound:

[Cidersomerset]

Another questioning the FBI's sincerity

Reality Check: Did the FBI know about Boston bombing beforehand? - Ben Swann

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Published on 16 Apr 2013
Reality Check: Did the FBI know about Boston bombing beforehand? - Ben Swann

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Your right silentfeather the US is turning into Northern Ireland from the 60'-90's


http://blog.independent.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/militarized-police.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Cj26A.png



http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa284/chicom70/Gil_Karner_with_State_Police_Armored_Vehicle.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rzl1n.png


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http://americanvisionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SWAT-Tank.png

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RUC landrover 1980's/90's.....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b145/theulsterman/DSCN0042.jpg

They still had them in 2009

http://cdn0.wn.com/ph/img/97/97/e87b3d2ed55c4b6911975e742406-grande.jpg


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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6771857655_7f90061202_b.jpg


OK Maybe a little over the top !..LOL...

[soleil]

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/19/exclusive-aunt-of-suspected-bombers-speaks-to-sun-from-etobicoke-home
TORONTO - The Etobicoke aunt of two men tied to the Boston Marathon bombings doesn’t want to believe her nephews are being labeled terrorists.

In an exclusive interview with the Toronto Sun Friday morning, Maret Tsarnaev said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, and his older brother Tamerlan, 26, were being framed.

“This is a huge tragedy for the family,” Tsarnaev, 45, said. “My brother’s two boys, they are growing up so fast. My first reaction is, ‘Why the hell would they do this?’ But when I go through all the material, it’s not giving anything … the whole world is now making a decision (on them) now by just seeing these pictures and not having anything else.”

The aunt said she hasn’t seen the two men for five years, but knew they were living in Cambridge. Dzhokhar had a love of math and was attending school there. As was Tamerlan, but it was unclear if he dropped out when his daughter was born, two years ago.

“These two boys, all they must have in their heads at this age is love,” she said. “I cannot believe Tamerlan is dead. This cannot be true.”

Get the latest from our Sun team in Boston:

[Hervé]

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. ... He lost both legs below the knee. "He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me'," Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview. ...

While still in intensive care, Jeff Bauman gave the FBI a description of the man he saw, his brother said. Bauman’s information helped investigators narrow down whom to look for in hours of video of the attack, he said.All right...

... Jeff...

... here:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1paDJQ3UlbBoDS5JUQhmhNLRppThmWoTllHJYEja_BzEnWW71I5RCLraeLB74Xk9uRq8yvTheFNmQerAySanQdyfd7975Lz8ng/LiveLeak-dot-com-.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p8Fj-aeBgAtG6eQWldsna4sALxtixqBbOEMieyBgqb0KMZNGU4q3xZtvo6U_Oc1tjhK-JFnfp9odDqtBIQTsklfkmat869czd/article-2309545-1950CDAB000005DC-672_964x494.jpg?psid=1


Guy holding his cowboy hat in his hand and who helped wheel Jeff out being nearby...



... blast...

... well ... way over there:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg


... is there something wrong with the painted picture in the quote above?

Makes me wonder what was told and shown to him while he was in anesthetic dream land? You know... MKultra type of conditioning of a credible witness...

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis,

C'mon man. Most of the men were at the scene.

The men were not just "at the scene", two were photographed standing on the veranda where the bombs went off. Planted like trees, standing still, not sweeping through the area. But, then before the bombs went off, they left the area where the bombs were. I am not saying they "did" anything. They went where they were told, and they wore what they were told to wear, including the big, bulky backpacks. I do wonder WHO told them to go to the area where the bomb would go off. I wonder WHO told them to wear big, bulky backpacks about the same size as the ones the bomber(s) happened to be using the same day. I wonder WHO told them to leave that area before the bombs went off. (My gut/reasoning would make them contingency-patsies, not co-conspirators.)


At least three were there after the explosion. Not at the site of the explosion - where they had been stationed.


The rest were probably down the street trying to locate and dismantle another bomb. Bombs are not dismantled. And, why would we conclude what they were "probably" doing - especially to laud them with an accolade like that heroic scene you're describing?

By the way, when I said I believe they were "in on it", they may have been in on it as patsies to use in a contingency, rather than having knowledge of a conspiracy. By their evident intensity, and the fact that they were there as extra hired security forces in the first place (rather than just more cops, more plainclothes cops, and more FBI agents) leads me to the conclusion they knew something was likely to happen or going to happen.


The photographs are all there of these men at the scene with the backpacks, and there's at least one picture where the man is holding the radiation detector.
Are you saying these 5 or 6 guys are all still on-scene after the bombing? Two were in the bomb blast area before the blast, but I have not seen anything to indicate they were either personally hit nor anywhere to be found in the bomb blast area after the bomb blasts. Somehow, they got a call that told them to move. Is it possible it was just a security team who were moved out of the blast area by pure luck? Yes, that is possible. I'd like to question WHO moved them out of that exact area before the blasts.


The ones that we know had backpacks still have their backpacks after the explosion. I have not concluded that these security guys planted a bomb. I suspect they did not. But, they appear to be a deliberate group of decoys with backpacks... almost as if whoever hired the security guys and told them to wear backpacks and placed them, and moved them, also knew that there would be other people with backpacks containing bombs. These "private security" (Craft) guys have "uniforms", ear "wires", and are standing and scanning the crowd. They are obvious security and they knew they were obvious security. They are not trying to hide (or are doing a piss poor job of it.) Someone "dressed" them. Someone placed them. Someone moved them. Who, and why?


If they were hired for security reasons and/or to find and dismantle a bomb, why would they go over to help the wounded when all the medics are there to do that. There were civilians helping out too. Again, these guys are obviously NOT bomb squad, and were not there to dismantle a bomb. Bombs do not get dismantled. That is only in Hollywood, and only when the mayor of Gotham City has a bomb around his neck.

Once the bombs went off, these security guys did NOT whip off their backpacks and pull out weapons that had been concealed, so the backpacks were not to hold weapons without alarming the crowd. In such a dire situation - a bomb just exploded! then another! - if there was anything in the bulky backpacks that might have helped in any way, don't you think we'd see guys with khaki pants and khaki boots and black jackets kneeling down with their backpacks on the ground, getting out the important stuff? But what do we see in the one photo just after the blast where the 3 guys are springing into action? They are not getting into their backpacks. So, I think they were told to wear these backpacks, but were
a.) not told why,
b.) were told why, and whatever they were carrying was worthless in the situation or
c.) were told why, and were told it was to blend with the crowd


The two men standing there could have been on lookout or standby and we know there was a third man with a radiation detector. I'm not sure what you are saying here.
Yes, the two men (and possibly the gray haired guy standing between them, when they were scanning the crowd while standing in the bomb zone) were "on lookout." They are behaving exactly as you would expect for security guys. They were very lucky they happened to leave that area before the bombs went off, or were innocently called away by their supervisor before the bombs went off, or were deliberately moved by their supervisor before the bombs went off. They were not not still right there when the bomb went off.


There could have been a containment vessel somewhere on the site, but I haven't seen one in any pictures. It doesn't matter though, containment vessels are always used as a first option resort. There are other options that may have to be used in different situations. Especially in an immediate and non-remote situation involving big crowds.

Bomb dismantling equipment could have fit in their backpacks.
Again, you keep mentioning bomb dismantling but it just is not done. Why would you risk a human life, dismantling a bomb? Even in one of those huge suits the bomb squad guys do wear when they are picking up a bomb "with a ten-foot pole" and placing it carefully into a containment vessel - a bomb concussion could do massive internal damage from a shock wave. No one was carrying bomb dismantling equipment. If the bomb squad arrived with their special truck and robotic equipment to pick up and contain the bomb, yes, they probably would have a "bomb dismantling kit" on their truck. But they would not open that kit. They contain and detonate, not dismantle. That is - from what I have seen - modern protocol.


The backpacks could've contained a hook & line kit.The backpacks could have contained stuffed animals, a picnic blanket and basket, or stuffed with newspaper. We don't know what was in the backpacks. They never opened them to show us. They were relatively large and bulky, and whatever reason they wore them was not apparent. They were odd. Security guys do not normally have backpacks, but this group did. They didn't use them, they just wore them. And ***amazingly*** so did the bomber(s.) That is why I suspect that whoever ordered these private security guys to carry backpacks was "in on" the bombing, and was using the security guys as decoys, patsies, and/or to condition the crowd that bulky backpacks were commonplace at the marathon race viewing area.

If they contained anything that someone thought would be useful in a bombing, you'd think that those packs would have been opened and used by those benevolent security guys who appear to be following up very seriously on a bomb threat.
...


Why would they just hire specialized Craft operatives to wear a bunch of backpacks to confuse people? Those are costly backpack models.
Um, I think the logic here is faulty. One, you're guessing the backpacks contained costly stuff when they may have been stuffed with newspaper for all we know, and two, if these guys were hired as decoy/patsies by "the Secret Government"/black-ops boys, why would money be a consideration? They have massive amounts of money.

They would wear whatever they were ordered to wear - and oddly, atypically for security guys, they were ordered to wear backpacks - on a day when bomber(s) were carrying bombs in backpacks! You've got no "spidey senses" tingling that there is something strange with that?

We could go back and forth and debate this for 10 years. I'm not going to. I probably would have mostly just read the stories, looked at video and still photographs, and would have come to my own conjecture/conclusions/theories as to what really happened. But, I was surprised that you seemed to kind of wrap up a completely benign scenario (with all conspiracy dismissed), and tied with a bow. I know for sure that I do not have enough information to do anything but guess my best guess (and provide a bit of background of how I formed my guess.)

I have not studied this extensively (I don't think very many people could have, yet), but I did put quite a bit of time in on studying the JFK murder and 9/11, and I have a strong sense that there is a group of unbelievably malevolent people capable of literally anything - and they have control of the US government and the alphabet agencies. To put together a scenario where this Boston thing does not involve these evil people is (to me) unimaginable and - I don't want to hurt you feelings but have to say, naive. You have painted the rosiest possible picture, where someone at the top made the mistake of not taking a bomb threat seriously enough, and everyone is now covering up for him. I'd say the possibility of this being correct is absolute zero.

I have already spent a lot more time on this that I should have, and I'm not helping the situation, so I'll abandon this and go do some other things. Hopefully I have (strongly) disagreed without being disagreeable. I attack your theory, not you - and think you're a good guy.

Dennis

[Abhaya]

Any one else think it odd that the kid was at one point with his brother during the assault that killed his older brother. And managed to escape in a car despite there being the entire Massachusetts police force at the scene. I just heard on CNN he ran over his brothers body and scattered multiple police as he flored it from the scene. How do they let him get away. Crooks in auto chases rarely escape normal police forces. Let alone cover up super police forces.. This doesn't add up for me. And not only did they have him and saw him run away in a vehicle, they lost track of him!?!? With black hawk helicopters etc etc. makes no sense.

[Kimberley]

This is a couple days old so it may have been posted...however in case it was not...

Boston Marathon Witness Interview: Police Told Us Bomb Drill Was 'Training Exercise'


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What a day here in Massachusetts...I am 25 miles north of Boston so not personally effected however..this is crazy stuff going on...

And I need to post these too..these photos are how I feel about all of this...



:peace: :grouphug:

[Hervé]

The men were not just "at the scene", two were photographed standing on the veranda where the bombs went off. Planted like trees, standing still, not sweeping through the area. But, then before the bombs went off, they left the area where the bombs were.

[...]
... They were very lucky they happened to leave that area before the bombs went off, or were innocently called away by their supervisor before the bombs went off, or were deliberately moved by their supervisor before the bombs went off. They were not not still right there when the bomb went off.

[...]

These operatives were stationed in a spot sheltered from the blast:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg

Hence, they could still have been standing there when the blast happened. There is no way to determine one way or the other in absence of other photographic evidence.

[Earth Angel]

I think the uncle is a coward who is only condemning his nephews to protect his own sorry ass.......what kind of an uncle would just accept this as truth and say they deserve to die? and he doesn't even seem to know for sure when he last had any contact with them.......the aunt in Toronto is sure they were loving boys.....the teacher of the youngest boy is quoted as saying he had a heart of gold and was the most gracious person you could meet......the older one was MARRIED with a TWO YEAR old but is that mentioned anywhere?? no that might actually make him seem like a human being not a terrorist ......he was a boxer with hopes of being in the US Olympics....and thought he would **** that up by dropping a couple of bombs on his way to a promising future?? this whole thing stinks and it makes me sick to see how people see a picture of some people walking on a video (among many other people also walking also with backpacks) and instantly they accept that they did this.....and just to be sure no one asks any questions lets do a 'controlled demolition" of their home.......because we all know the government is excellent at controlled demolitions!!

[Jeffrey]

Dennis, I know your not attacking me and I'm not taking it personally. Please don't take this personally either, but you have overlooked some of the facts. Look at the pictures.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg

Those two men are there, at the scene, standing at the finish line after the explosion. They both still have there backpacks. I highly doubt those backpacks are stuffed with newspapers or picnic blankets.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg

This man is also at the scene after the explosion, and he's holding a radiation detector. He also is still wearing a backpack. Considering the item in his hand, and the overall situation, I think it's likely that there is some kind of bomb technicians equipment in these backpacks. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Maraton-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663781&viewfull=1#post663781)

Here is three other men. I can't tell if they are at the scene or not, but they are moving like a bomb just went off. Using context clues, the metal structures and blue coverings in the picture matches the setup around the finish line area.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

Bombs can be and are dismantled, neutralized, or otherwise deactivated using techniques that don't include immediately placing them in containment vessels and detonating them.

Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia page on bomb disposals:




Many techniques exist for the safing of a bomb or munition. Selection of a technique depends on several variables. The greatest variable is the proximity of the munition or device to people or critical facilities. Explosives in remote localities are handled very differently from those in densely-populated areas. Contrary to the image portrayed in modern day movies, the role of the Bomb Disposal Operator is to accomplish their task as remotely as possible. Actually laying hands on a bomb is only done in an extremely life-threatening situation, where the hazards to people and critical structures cannot be reduced.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_disposal

So, the techniques used are different for remote locations versus locations where there is many people around. Why didn't they clear everybody if the threat was serious enough to warrant hiring Craft International and enhancing security to such a degree? That's a question I can't answer with any certainty, but considering the available information and evidence I have proposed some plausible explanations.

Also, I meant that hiring Craft International would be expensive. I know the bomb technician kits are expensive because I've looked them up. That's another thing. If bombs aren't dismantled and/or neutralized on site in some instances, then why would various bomb technician kits even exist. They aren't movie props.

You are right, the bulky backpacks are unusual for security personnel. Yet, they wouldn't be unusual if they were bomb technicians.

Again, look at the equipment in this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=663653&viewfull=1#post663653

Containment vessels, bomb protection suits, and ten foot poles would probably be used in a remote location. Considering all the bystanders there (and if there was a known threat, but the race was supposed to be allowed to continue without raising any alarm) they may have chosen a different route.

Thanks,

Vivek

[Cidersomerset]

They just showed an interview with their father on BBC, he is in shock and
says his sons would not do such a act.The older one has a three year old
daughter.......This is a different report below


★ Boston Bombing: Father Says Son Set Up If Killed ...all hell would break loose

EetJgvCdn78

Published on 19 Apr 2013


NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT INTENDED

AUNT: 'WHERE IS EVIDENCE? I'M SUSPICIOUS THAT THIS WAS STAGED'...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/a...

- - - The elder Tsarnaev, in a series of conversations with ABC News, insisted that
his sons were innocent, but said he would appeal to his son to "surrender
peacefully."

"Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you. Come home to Russia,"
the dad said.

The father warned, however, "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose."

"If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police
are to blame," the father told ABC News. "Someone, some organization is out to
get them."

Anzor Tsarnaev said that his sons were "set up" and that they are "very nice kids"
who have no experience with weapons and explosives.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-...

[Earth Angel]

I find it odd on the police scanner here they are referring to the older brother as 'in custody'......warning that the second brother might have a suicide trigger vest......so would you actually refer to a dead body as 'in custody" ???
listen at around 2:10 mark


They just showed an interview with their father on BBC, he is in shock and
says his sons would not do such a act.The older one has a three year old
daughter.......This is a different report below


★ Boston Bombing: Father Says Son Set Up If Killed ...all hell would break loose

EetJgvCdn78


"Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you. Come home to Russia,"
the dad said.

The father warned, however, "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose."

"If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police
are to blame," the father told ABC News. "Someone, some organization is out to
get them."

Anzor Tsarnaev said that his sons were "set up" and that they are "very nice kids"
who have no experience with weapons and explosives.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-...

[Hervé]

Here they are, all five of 'em "Craft" people -- around the SUV -- at 4:12:50 PM according to the marathon finish line clock:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SUV_Arrives.jpg


Larger resolution at: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/19/breaking-bombing-news-the-brothers-tsarnaev/suv_arrives/

[TargeT]

that's a very sophisticated "command center" vehicle for incident response built out like this:
http://www.incidentcommunications.com/sites/default/files/ICS-COMMS-ONE-INTERIOR.jpg
http://www.incidentcommunications.com/Comms-ONE

we use those for responding to emergencies at a state level, pretty pricey vehicle; but seems right in-line with what "the craft" would have on hand for missions.

[Hervé]

That's pretty quick response: took them only 3 minutes after the first blast to be on the spot.

Oooops... 7 of 'em guys... may be even 8:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Perps-and-command-vehicle.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

Tsarnaev brothers' mother: My sons are innocent, this is a setup

ARE9rclZCqw

Published on 19 Apr 2013


Boston bombings suspects are 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who remains at
large. His brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnayev, was killed after a police car
chase. Their family originates from Russia's North Caucasus - but settled in the
United States more than a decade ago. RT talks to the mother of the two suspects
Zubeidat Tsarnaeva - LIVE UPDATES http://on.rt.com/hu3yye

[kesom]

forgive me if anyones brought this up already :)
i was just thinking about the most obvious thing that anyone could notice that points out that this was a false flag and followed by a set up of innocent people

if your going to plant a bombin a street covered in camera's at an event which was highly photo'd aswell and you've obviously planned this out well and know the area well because you live there would you not try and disguise your face in some way !

one of the patsy's has his bloody hat turned round,doesnt show the paranoid state of mind a person would be in if they were just about to bring the whole world looking for them does it

what ye think...........

peace ken :)

[Cidersomerset]

RT has posted this on the news site to give people idea of life in Chechnya
If anyone is wondering......Sharia Law not for me..LOL...But each to their
own.


Chechnya: Republic of Contrasts (RT Documentary)

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Published on 19 Apr 2013


Russia's Republic of Chechnya has undergone a revival after two military operations
in its recent post-Soviet history. Today, the region is home one of the largest
mosques in Europe, hosts international celebrities and even is trying its hand at
high fashion. RT explores this republic of contrasts to look at how the Chechen
people have struck a balance between tradition and modernity.

[RMorgan]

Tsarnaev brothers' mother: My sons are innocent, this is a setup

http://youtu.be/ARE9rclZCqw

Published on 19 Apr 2013


Boston bombings suspects are 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who remains at
large. His brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnayev, was killed after a police car
chase. Their family originates from Russia's North Caucasus - but settled in the
United States more than a decade ago. RT talks to the mother of the two suspects
Zubeidat Tsarnaeva - LIVE UPDATES http://on.rt.com/hu3yye

They want to kill this boy. Plain and simple.

I would be extremely surprised if they capture him alive and take him to justice.

If they kill him, it will be the ultimate proof that the attack was an inside job. There´s no need to use lethal force to capture a suspect nowadays, specially a 19 years old boy with no military training. There´s a hundred ways to knock him down without killing him.

I totally believe his mother, father and friends, when they say he would never do such a thing.

My heart goes to his mother; No mom deserves to suffer like that. The best thing this boy could do know is find a way to his embassy or consulate, but I guess it already is heavily guarded by police thugs.

Raf.

[jagman]

Here are the Facts has I see them! The authorities on hand that day
( Police, FBI, and unknown Military element) Were conducting
some kind of drill! The corrupt media is complicit with an entire
blackout of this story. Why? Because they know it could bring down
their whole corrupt system. These are dark days my friends.

[Wind]

Good information on this video, it seems that this event is part of a bigger plan.

yWUB4MCLsHg

[crosby]

Here are the Facts has I see them! The authorities on hand that day
( Police, FBI, and unknown Military element) Were conducting
some kind of drill! The corrupt media is complicit with an entire
blackout of this story. Why? Because they know it could bring down
their whole corrupt system. These are dark days my friends.


i agree, very dark days. i see an entire city in lockdown which is showing how easy it will be to do this in the future in other cities with larger populations. if you make people believe it is for their own safety they will acquiesce. i see many things occurring on the periphery of this situation that will be used to further the dark agenda. what a shame, an absolute shame.
regards, corson

[Cidersomerset]

Boston on lockdown: Cops on manhunt for Marathon bombing suspect

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Published on 19 Apr 2013


Within a span of a a few hours Thursday night, the FBI identified the two suspects
behind the Boston Marathon bombings. Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, and Tamerlan
Tsarnaev, 26, allegedly held up a 7-11 convenience store and then killed a MIT
campus officer. The eldest of the two brothers was shot to death early Friday
morning by law enforcement and Dzhokhar is still on the run. Anastasia Churkina
has the very latest from the city under lockdown.
Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/
Or watch us online: http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

[jagman]

They just fired about 20 to 30 rounds at the kid. He is hiding in a boat. Yeah they really want to take him alive my ass!

[heysoulsister]

Is there ANY footage or photo's, eyewitnesses from/of the first "shoot out" with the first (dead) brother?

[Spix]

Is there ANY footage or photo's, eyewitnesses from/of the first "shoot out" with the first (dead) brother?

They will be some but not much, just like killing of Osama very stealth and very quick. because this was on a random street in Boston Must be one or two people that did record it, simple check around will find it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/boston-bombings/gunman-shoots-policeman-dead-at-boston-university/story-fni3117f-1226624383217

[Spix]

They just fired about 20 to 30 rounds at the kid. He is hiding in a boat. Yeah they really want to take him alive my ass!

That's the Media for ya.

[heysoulsister]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311443/Boston-bomb-suspect-Dzokhar-Tsarnaev-hunted-SWAT-teams-police-kill-boxer-brother-Tamerlan-running-gun-battle.html

Article contains a short video of a witness reporting an explosion.

[Abhaya]

Taken alive! Just now

[Dennis Leahy]

Supposedly... suspect now in custody.

Dennis

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Taken alive! Just now
I should have refreshed my screen. I see the news is already here.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

On the day of these bomb explosions at the Boston Marathon, four days ago now, about four threads started up on the topic, which we merged into this one thread within those first few hours.

Since then, over a dozen more such threads have started up, most of which just have a few replies or are inactive now. I have merged the eight least active (short or no longer active) of these threads into one combined thread: Boston Marathon Bombings: Other comments, views ... merged thread. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58201-Boston-Marathon-Bombings-Other-comments-views-...-merged-thread.)

These were the eight threads that are now merged into the one thread:

Keeping Calm and Carrying On after the Boston Marathon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58202-Keeping-Calm-and-Carrying-On-after-the-Boston-Marathon&highlight=boston)
Boston False Flag ? David Ickes post...........Problem Reaction Solution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58201-Boston-False-Flag-David-Ickes-post...........Problem-Reaction-Solution&highlight=boston)
Interesting FB post re Boston.sandy hook actors (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58223-Interesting-FB-post-re-Boston.sandy-hook-actors&highlight=boston)
Google Maps 666 Boylston Street, Boston, Massachusetts, United States = Finish Line (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58268-Google-Maps-666-Boylston-Street-Boston-Massachusetts-United-States-Finish-Line-Marathon.&highlight=boston)
Fox Pulls 'Hoax' Episode of Family Guy Depicting Boston Massacre [Aired on March 17th, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58277-Fox-Pulls-Hoax-Episode-of-Family-Guy-Depicting-Boston-Massacre-Aired-on-March-17th-2013&highlight=boston)
FBI struggles to identify Boston Marathon bomber /Cispatriot Act: US Reps approve CISPA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58294-FBI-struggles-to-identify-Boston-Marathon-bomber-Cispatriot-Act-US-Reps-approve-CISPA-cybersecurity-bill&highlight=boston)
? fake Boston surveillance video, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58335-fake-Boston-surveillance-video&highlight=boston)
Continuous 'wall' with the Boston Bombings. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58339-Continuous-wall-with-the-Boston-Bombings.&highlight=boston)

[AriG]

Take aways:

" Your government, your friend"
Martial law exercise - just label it as requested "shelter in place"
Those backpacks were not large enough to hold a pressure cooker
Renewed "sense of community" amidst a "threat".
Blatant Militarization of municipal police - mission accomplished
Wages have been suppressed to create a compliant "working class" - one that will cheer on a "tragedy" in their pajamas on national television. Stupid stupid people.
The "Administration" will be perceived as "non Bush like" or "non fascist" by virtue of live capture
It takes millions of dollars and hundreds upon hundreds of law enforcement officers to capture an innocent teenager
The dogs and ponies were quite entertaining....
I have been vomiting in my mouth a little all day.... people cannot really be this stupid...

[turiya]

Boston Bombers: Role of CIA in Chechen Terror
Islamic terror from Caucasus next phase of plan to undermine our liberty
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
April 19, 2013













http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/boster.jpg

The narrative now emerging in the Boston Marathon bombing is that the perpetrators are from Chechnya or a nearby region and the attacks are a product of Islamic terrorism. Fox cites the globalist Council on Foreign Relations in a report (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/19/ties-between-islamic-extremist-groups-and-chechnya-well-documented/) today on the Chechen connection to the alleged Boston terrorists and notes that the late Chechen warlord Ibn al-Khattab met with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. Fox points to a George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute report (http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/policy/report_foreignfighters501.pdf) issued in 2010 that says Chechnya is seen by “jihadi theoreticians” as place where “fighting is not only legitimate but also compulsory.”

Fox predictably omits important facts as it works to establish a new radical Islamic threat – primarily that the so-called insurgency in Chechnya was largely a covert CIA initiative. Rebel leaders Shamil Basayev and Al Khattab were trained and indoctrinated in CIA sponsored camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, notes Michel Chossudovsky. Pakistan’s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) played a key role in organizing and training the Chechen rebel army. The ISI also played an instrumental role in supporting the Afghan Mujahideen, a Muslim paramilitary force that would eventually mature under the guiding hand of the CIA et al into the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

The British MI6 asset Abu Qatada (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13191959) raised money for the Chechnya jihad and the notorious Finsbury Park mosque imam Abu Hamza al-Masri – an informer (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=aspring98frenchkidnaphamza#aspring98frenchkidnaphamza) for two British security services in London – raised funds for both the jihad in Chechnya and bin Laden’s Darunta camp in Afghanistan.

The CIA also worked to destabilize the Balkans, a fact documented by the media in Europe (http://www.iacenter.org/bosnia/ciarole.htm) but largely ignored in the United States. The effort to convert the Balkans into a “safe haven” for fanatical jihadists was aided by the CIA and the Pentagon (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2076#western_support_for_islamic_militancy_20 76). In 1993, CIA asset Osama bin Laden reportedly installed his number two man, Ayman al-Zawahiri (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0992zawahiribosnia#a0992zawahiribosnia), to run the organization’s operations in the Balkans.

Despite all the evidence the United States, Britain, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia orchestrated efforts to undermine the Soviet Union – not only during its occupation of Afghanistan, but also in the Soviet Union’s Muslim states – and spread radical Sunni conflict throughout the region, we will be expected to believe brothers Anzor and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev are part of a renewed effort by an international al-Qaeda to attack America. The effort by the CIA to shepherd this fanatical movement will, of course, be omitted.

This will be the narrative broadcast in the coming days by the establishment media. In response to this supposedly renewed effort by al-Qaeda and its affiliates in Chechnya, we will be expected to consent or at least passively acquiesce to the next phase of police state intrusion on our liberties.
FULL ARTICLE (http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombers-role-of-cia-in-chechen-terror/)
~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~











http://www.boerner.net/jboerner/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/waronterrorposter.jpg
Chechen Terrorist Networks Trace Back to the US State Department

Friday, April 19, 2013
Brandon Turbeville
Activist Post

Regardless of the final connections regarding the Boston Bombing, the alleged perpetrators, and the connection to Chechen terrorism, one must always be cognizant of the relevant geopolitical facts in order to avoid being swindled and wholly misinformed by clouded mainstream accounts of narratives that are, themselves, entirely mythical.

The myth of an independent (of Anglo-American control) and organic al-Qaeda is one that is easily dismantled upon even a small modicum of research and investigation. From the founding of al-Qaeda by Western forces in the 1970s to the use of death squads in Iraq, Libya, and now Syria, it is clear that al-Qaeda is nothing less than a wholly owned subsidiary of the Anglo-American intelligence community. It is, in effect, the CIA Arab Legion.

If the United States government eventually blames the Boston Bombings on Chechen terrorists, whether legitimately or intentionally by virtue of a false flag, then such a situation is undoubtedly a two-edged sword. If the American people are ever capable of understanding that international Muslim fundamentalist terrorist networks – from the United States, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libya, or Chechnya – are entirely organized, directed, and controlled by Western Anglo-American powers themselves, it may prove to be the end of the imperialist foreign policy, domestic police state mechanisms, and austerity measures. If the American people, however, continue to bite the bait of terror and fear, there may be no limits to the depths the United States and the rest of the world will sink.
Read FULL ARTICLE (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/chechen-terrorist-networks-trace-back.html)

turiya :cool:

[Dennis Leahy]

Does Chechnya have rare earth elements, oil, gas, large underground aquifers, or a strategic spot for a US base?

Dennis

[RunningDeer]

"Rat Bastards! - 1:45 Alex Rant"
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG

SvtXHotC4Mw
"UPDATE! Boston Marathon Bombing Secrets"
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Published on Apr 19, 2013

The suspect was cornered and then arrested. But what is the real story. The real story is the FBI has a history of using informants to stir up mental deficients into bombing targets with fake bombs. That is part of history. Now the mother of the suspects has said that her son has been followed by the FBI for at least three years.

[Water33/6]

This was a lynching!!!! They were made as patsies. This could be you or me... At the wrong place, wrong time! Since when does a person not get a trial, hunted down. I'm so pissed. We're all going to lose our freedoms...how many more false flags are they going to do, before we wake up? What is next in store?

[turiya]

Does Chechnya have rare earth elements, oil, gas, large underground aquifers, or a strategic spot for a US base?


KMNews then tellingly explained the motivation behind the funding and support of Chechen terrorist networks. It stated:

"Thus, the conclusion is obvious. Willingly or not, Downing Street and the White House provoked the guerrillas to these latest attacks [Beslan school massacre in 2004]. Willingly or not, Great Britain and the USA have nurtured the separatists with material, information and diplomatic resources. Willingly or not, the policy of London and Washington fostered the current terrorist acts.” “As the ancients said, cui bono? Perhaps we are too hasty with such sweeping accusations against our ‘friends’ and ‘partners’? Is there a motive for the Anglo-American ‘anti-terrorist coalition’ to fan the fires of terror in the North Caucasus?” “Alas, there is a motive. It is no secret, that the West is vitally interested in maintaining instability in the Caucasus. That makes it easier to pump out the fossil fuels, extracted in the Caspian region, and it makes it easier to control Georgia and Azerbaijan, and to exert influence on Armenia. Finally, it makes it easier to drive Russia out of the Caspian and the Caucasus. Divide et impera! – the leaders of the Roman Empire already introduced this simple formula for subjugation."
Source (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/chechen-terrorist-networks-trace-back.html)


turiya :cool:

[Hazel]

Doin' the False Flag Rag
Fear = Terrorists for breakfast, lunch n'tea
The Patsy's the Ratsy'.
Lemming control/Gag the Free
Get back in your tree y'all

:(:confused::eek:

Alex is so convincing I'm left feeling nauseous with disgust at whats at play

[Kimberley]

Have just skimmed the information posted on this thread...

I live 25 miles from Boston so have chosen NPR news as my information source... I have not watched TV since 1993...

Any way what i have gleaned is that the 19 year old brother of the now dead 26 year old brother has been captured alive. I am so very grateful he is alive, because maybe we will get some more information .

This is so weird and crazy and I really think this has been a drill for marshal law...just my innner guts thoughts...

Time will tell.

All is well and much love and peace to us all!!! :grouphug: :peace:

[math330]

hi Dennis, from turiya's link (the activist post link) above:

"Is there a motive for the Anglo-American ‘anti-terrorist coalition’ to fan the fires of terror in the North Caucasus?” “Alas, there is a motive. It is no secret, that the West is vitally interested in maintaining instability in the Caucasus. That makes it easier to pump out the fossil fuels, extracted in the Caspian region, and it makes it easier to control Georgia and Azerbaijan, and to exert influence on Armenia. Finally, it makes it easier to drive Russia out of the Caspian and the Caucasus. Divide et impera! – the leaders of the Roman Empire already introduced this simple formula for subjugation."

Really interesting article, thanks turiya

[jackovesk]

Patience is a 'Virtue' heeded to evolve
Conflicting 'News' seen by all
Tracking the 'Truth' is my only concern
This aint over as where beginning to learn

The 'Truth' is all we seek
The 'Truth' is all we yearn
So 'Hang in' there folks
While we wait for this story to turn
Again...:faint:

The Govt./MSM (DisInfo) Mantra

http://www.skyrim.pl/forum/uploads/profile/photo-16243.jpg?_r=1363614606http://www.naturaldad.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/blacksheep.jpg

Baa, baa, black sheep
Have you any wool?
Yes, sir, yes, sir, Three bags full
One for the master
And one for the dame
And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.

[turiya]

'They were set up, FBI followed them for years'- Tsarnaevs' mother to RT

Published time: April 19, 2013 21:52

With the 24-hour manhunt for the second suspect of the Boston bombing closed, RT remembers its conversation with the parents of the Tsarnaev brothers, who claimed all along their children were set up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARE9rclZCqw

Zubeidat Tsarnaeva maintains her younger son is innocent and like so many of the brothers’ acquaintances, claims they were good, courteous kids and model students – especially the younger 19-year-old Dzhokhar, who is currently on the run. A US citizen who is presently in the Russian Republic of Dagestan, she revealed to RT some suspicions of her own.

Grief-stricken at the latest developments in the case, Zubeidat expressed her dismay at the allegations, recounting Dzhokhar’s life in the US and talking of his status among his peers and friends: he was an honors student, loved by many of his friends and teachers. And his older brother Tamerlan was a star athlete and student, whose ambition was to one day appear on the US Olympic wrestling team.

But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.

“They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”

When asked if maybe she didn’t know about some of her sons’ more secret aspirations and dark secrets, she said “That’s impossible. My sons would never keep a secret.”

Finally, she said that if she could speak to her youngest – Dzhokhar, she would tell him, “Save your life and tell the truth, that you haven’t done anything, that this is a set up!”

http://rt.com/files/news/1e/ca/c0/00/father.jpg

In an interview with Russian television the brothers’ father Anzor Tsarnaev also claimed that they are innocent and somebody might have set them up.

“I’m sure about my children, in their purity. I don’t know what happened and who did this. God knows and he will punish them,” he told Zvezda channel. “Somebody might have set them up. I don’t know who and because of their cowardice killed the boy.”

The father said he was unable to contact his sons or other relatives. “Everything is switched off. I can’t reach my brother there either. I can’t reach anyone! I just want information. Now I fear for my boy, that they will now shoot him dead and then will say 'He had a gun'.”

“I fear for my son, for his life. They should arrest him, bring him, but alive. Justice should investigate who is right and who is wrong,” he said.

Mr Tsarnaev recently spoke to his elder son, Tamerlan [Suspect #1], telling him that he should take care of his younger brother. Speaking of the Boston marathon bombing he told his son “Ok, Thanks to Allah you were not close to there and did not suffer.”

“I remember I even asked “Who could do something like that?”

“We just talked. I asked him about our Dzhokhar [Suspect #2], how was he. I told him, he should help him out and keep an eye on him, so that he studies well. I told him ‘You left school, got married too early, but the kid should finish [his education]’. Because this is life – those who don’t study work a lot and work hard. That’s why I was telling them study”.
Source (http://rt.com/usa/tsarnaev-brothers-parents-innocent-124/)

turiya :cool:

[Vitalux]

Just a quick question.......in the above RT video posted by turiya ....it talks of the two boys or something to that effect of throwing bombs out of a car while trying to elude police capture and also firing guns at the police as well.

Is there actual evidence of this happening? :confused:

Seems odd, I know if I had 100 soldiers, cops, swat teams and the whole damn world taking an interest in my capture, I would hardly be putting up a struggle.
Most people when they are caught surrender......at least that is they way it looks on most of those live COPS shows

[Jeffrey]

----------

The Blaze will expose the government cover-up on Monday.

LiEpSggvZFU

This video is about the deported Saudi national.

[Vitalux]

----------

The Blaze will expose the government cover-up on Monday.



This video is about the deported Saudi national.

Do we take any bets on if Glenn Beck is found in his home this weekend dead as a result of him committing suicide by hanging?

http://bioap.wikispaces.com/file/view/hanging.gif/125653595/hanging.gif

[Jeffrey]

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The Blaze will expose the government cover-up on Monday.



This video is about the deported Saudi national.

Do we take any bets on if Glenn Beck is found in his home this weekend dead as a result of him committing suicide by hanging?

I don't know whether he's being ballsy, noble, or theatrical; but if he has important information he should've divulged it already.

[Water33/6]

They are now both dead, hunted down without any due process. This is disgusting!!!
Of course they can't bring them alive because they just might tell the truth.

Photo here of mutilated patsy.... Who was set up... seriously don't open link if you're squeamish.
WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTO
[link to i.imgur.com]

[jackovesk]

----------

The Blaze will expose the government cover-up on Monday.



This video is about the deported Saudi national.

Do we take any bets on if Glenn Beck is found in his home this weekend dead as a result of him committing suicide by hanging?

http://bioap.wikispaces.com/file/view/hanging.gif/125653595/hanging.gif

Not a 'Fat Chance' in Hell...:nono:

He's too much of a useful (Idiot)..!

[jackovesk]

MSM Headline:

WE GOT HIM..!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/20/article-2311443-19652852000005DC-53_964x1116.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/20/article-2311443-196511D5000005DC-736_964x541.jpg

Latest Photo's...

Just have a look at the way the (Whole) article is scripted...:faint:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311443/We-got-Fugitive-bomber-captured-ALIVE-hiding-inside-BOAT-backyard-Boston-home-Cops-use-flash-bang-grenades-gas-flush-Dzhokar-Tsarnev.html

[jackovesk]

Hospital Denies Involvement In Leak Of Grisly Post-Mortem Photo Of Boston Marathon Bomb Suspect

April 19, 2013

A grisly post-mortem photo of one of the suspected Boston Marathon bombers appears to have been taken early today after medical personnel turned the body over to law enforcement officials.

The image of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, began circulating online this afternoon after it was posted on popular web sites like Reddit and 4chan. The source of the photo remains unclear.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/bombingsm.jpg

Seen above, the picture shows Tsarnaev--naked from the hip up--after he died at 1:35 AM at Boston’s Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Tsarnaev was mortally wounded during a gun battle between him and his 19-year-old brother Dzhokar and police.

Link here...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tamerlan-tsarnaev-post-mortem-photo-478612

.................................................

FBI interviewed dead Boston bombing suspect years ago

April 19, 2013, 6:44 PM

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02541/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev_2541372b.jpg

In this Feb. 17, 2010, photo, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, left, smiles after acceping the trophy for winning the 2010 New England Golden Gloves Championship in Lowell, Mass. / AP Photo

Updated 6:50 p.m. ET

The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him.


As first reported by CBS News correspondent Bob Orr, the FBI interviewed Tsarnaev, the elder brother of at-large bombing suspect Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, at the request of a foreign government to see if he had any extremist ties, but failed to find any linkage.


Both Tsarnaev brothers were legal permanent residents of the U.S. There is no evidence so far that either brother received any tactical training.

CBS News correspondent John Miller reports it is likely Russia asked to have the elder Tsarnaev vetted because of suspected ties to Chechen extremists.

Con'td here...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580534/fbi-interviewed-dead-boston-bombing-suspect-years-ago/

PS - And Look :shocked: where the (AUTOPSY) is being held at...


Boston’s Beth (Israel) Deaconess Medical Center...:israel:

Do you think where going to get the real 'Truth' from there..? :pound:

[Vitalux]

MSM Headline:

...
Just have a look at the way the (Whole) article is scripted...:faint:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311443/We-got-Fugitive-bomber-captured-ALIVE-hiding-inside-BOAT-backyard-Boston-home-Cops-use-flash-bang-grenades-gas-flush-Dzhokar-Tsarnev.html



Holy hamhawks




They sure piled that Steer Dung a mile or more high on that news paper report, scripted and cherry picked for " Love the Patriot Act" brought to you by "Captain America or what. :rolleyes:

The Sad part is, so many will be sucked in by it and not even notice the deception.
Isn't this dimension wild! :popcorn:

[jackovesk]

MSM Headline:

...
Just have a look at the way the (Whole) article is scripted...:faint:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311443/We-got-Fugitive-bomber-captured-ALIVE-hiding-inside-BOAT-backyard-Boston-home-Cops-use-flash-bang-grenades-gas-flush-Dzhokar-Tsarnev.html



Holy hamhawks




They sure piled that Steer Dung a mile or more high on that news paper report, scripted and cherry picked for " Love the Patriot Act" brought to you by "Captain America or what. :rolleyes:

The Sad part is, so many will be sucked in by it and not even notice the deception.
Isn't this dimension wild! :popcorn:

Remember though...

The PTW/MSM are (NOT) going to get away with it this time...:nono:


Boston Bomber Controlled by FBI

April 19, 2013

Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, the mother of Boston bombing suspects Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, said Friday that her eldest son Tamerlan was under the control of the FBI.

“He was controlled by the FBI, like for three, five years,” she told Russia Today during an interview. ”They knew what my son was doing, they knew what actions and what sites on the Internet he was going [to], they used to come…and talk to me…they were telling me that he was really a serious leader and they were afraid of him.”

“How could this happen?…They were controlling every step of him, and they are telling today that this is a terrorist attack,” she added.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARE9rclZCqw

http://www.infowars.com/boston-bomber-was-controlled-by-fbi/

[Lettherebelight]

They are now both dead, hunted down without any due process.

Yes, how convenient.

Thanks to all here for sifting through the news and sharing what they've found. We are only hearing the abbreviated MSM here in the UK.

[jackovesk]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/images/vt-logo27.jpg

Boston Terror: The Real Attack (VT Had It First)

Veterans Today Had it Right!

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By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor (not accepted by Press TV 36 hours ago)


Editor’s Note: The video below crediting InfoWars contains significant information. Lt. Col. Potter has less than half the story, washed clean of Israeli involvement and a clear background. However, I recommend the video just the same. What is sad is that Sandy Hook was so obvious and he never saw it coming.

If we allow this outrage, the Boston false flag to stand, patsies blamed for an FBI/Mossad operation, we can only expect, not just more of the same, but Lt. Col. Potter has some of it right.

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This week’s terror attack in Boston is not the first incredible failure of intelligence and law enforcement America has suffered. By “incredible,” I mean exactly that, “not to be believed.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWUB4MCLsHg&feature=player_embedded

Before the smoke had cleared, the Israel Lobby and DEBKA had identified “domestic terrorists with Mid-East connections” as the guilty parties. This, alone, was taken as a confirmation that a very real conspiracy was involved, this time the most obvious false flag terror attack yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARE9rclZCqw&feature=player_embedded

HIGHEST SOURCES “WEIGH IN” ON BOSTON BOMBING

During 9/11, NORAD and the entire United States Air Force “vaporized” just like the FBI, DHS and Boston PD security did. We’re getting used to it, being lied to and, frankly, being murdered as well.

Within minutes of the Boston attack, America’s intelligence and Special Operations community put their back-channel “round-robin” into motion. This is how America’s top intelligence operatives informally share sensitive information on threats

Those with the highest access to both human and signals intelligence, those tasked with tracking and killing terrorists came to a very startling conclusion.

“An American agency was involved, out first guess is that it is the FBI.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ScreenHunter_1548-Apr.-20-00.051.jpg

CONTRACTOR WITH TIES TO ISRAELI EXTREMIST GROUPS TASKED WITH “BOMB EXERCISE” DURING TERROR ATTACK…CONCIDENCE OF THE CENTURY

Had I asked this question three years ago and I did, I would have been called a “conspiracy theorist,” and, in fact, I was. Now I am told, “Duff, you were right all along, we feel like such idiots.”

America’s Special Operations community has, of late, been under attack. The group, long closely allied with their Israeli counterparts and still maintaining strong friendships with Israeli counterparts, is now skeptical of the souring relationship and Netanyahu’s poor leadership.

Moreover, many of America’s elite warriors have been shocked to find groups they belonged to listed as “terrorist.” Their conservative politics and patriotism is now being characterized as a threat to national security.

The new policy that has brought suspicion upon many of America’s military and intelligence leaders originates from Tel Aviv. None saw this coming, this betrayal.

BACKGROUND

In 2005, President Bush (43) appointed Michael Chertoff, an Israeli citizen, as director of the Department of Homeland Security. It was Chertoff’s job, while Secretary of DHS, to place all law enforcement, counter-terrorism and domestic surveillance operations under Israeli control.

This was done by directing all contracts to Israeli companies, all equipment, all training and full access to all intelligence databases. American companies, even “disabled veteran owned,” were excluded until they took on Israeli partners.

All Americans involved in legislative and policy areas, defense, intelligence, law enforcement and counter-terrorism efforts were taken to Israel for indoctrination. Tens of thousands made the trip.

Israel was seen as “all knowing,” based on their daily fight for survival against marauding armies of Palestinian suicide bombers intent on throwing every Jew in the world into an oven.

Years later when more Americans learned that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had been murdered, others spending decades in concentration camps while Israel conspired directly with the nations it claimed were its “blood enemies,” Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain and the UAE.

INDOCTRINATED TO “LOOK THE OTHER WAY”

Rather than improve skills and learn from very able Israeli experts, those trained in and by Israeli’s became, albeit through a form of “brainwashing,” complicit in helping undermine the United States.

Thus, when we learned from the University of Mobile cross-country coach, Ali Stevenson, a participant in the marathon, that police told him they were running a terrorism “drill,” things became clear.

Such drills are overseen by the Department of Homeland Security who subcontracts to Israeli companies. They hire actors to wear backpacks with “simulated” explosives in order to test security.

Several “actors” with backpacks containing “simulated” pressure-cooker bombs were spotted and their photographs published.

The same thing happened in London when, on July 7, 2005, actors hired by an Israeli company to “play” roles as terrorists with “simulated” bombs in backpacks were credited with killing or injuring over 700 commuters.

These are only two of many such “coincidences,” now clearly seen as the result of “infiltration” of America’s security infrastructure by terrorist elements somehow related to Israel.

The results of this are now being seen, bogus “lone gunman” shootings, each more “incredible” than the last and now the Boston Bombing.

IGNORING ESPIONAGE

When George W. Bush “assumed the presidency,” the FBI had been investigating AIPAC, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, as an espionage organization. Stephen Rosen and Keith Weissman, both Israeli citizens working at AIPAC had been arrested for espionage along with Lawrence Franklin, an American official.

Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff and Attorney General John Ashcroft ordered prosecution of Rosen and Weissman to be dropped. Franklin, their co-conspirator went to prison.

AIPAC, along with the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) under Abraham Foxman and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) under Morris Dees, were then contracted to “educate” America’s military and law enforcement about terrorist threats.

However, as these organizations are Israeli financed and controlled and, as Netanyahu has stated often, “when America suffers, Israel profits,” any help from this direction is more “disease” than “cure.”

The first Bush nominee had to be withdrawn, NYC Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, bagman for self-ordained “9/11 hero” Rudy Giuliani, former mayor. Kerik, who, on 9/11, took personal custody of those arrested with weapons and explosives during attempts to destroy the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels, was unable to serve.

Kerik is in prison. Those arrested on 9/11, with weapons and explosives disappeared, all except five very famous videographers known as “the dancing Israelis.” That’s OK, they were released too.

An illiterate Muslim cab driver, after being tortured for 5 years admitted to all of it, who would have guessed?

THE BOSTON “NO-BRAINER”

Three days after the Boston bombing, the FBI has released one blurry photograph of a possible “suspect.”

The same photograph in crystal clear high definition was released on Facebook and published in Veterans Today days ago. Additionally, the photographs of other suspects, all very clear and identifiable, were published and have been seen by million yet the FBI is choosing to release only altered and blurry reproductions of only one suspect.

Why would they do this?

When Israel’s DEBKA Files said one of the suspects were “Middle Eastern”, they were correct it seems. One clearly identifiable photograph of a suspect in a blue tracksuit does resemble someone who may be from the Middle East.

That suspect appears to be an Israeli.

Maybe he isn’t, perhaps the FBI should publish his photograph and seek to question why he set off a bomb and who he is and where he is from.

Thus far, they have not seen this as a priority.

Of course, the FBI is trained and advised by Israeli companies. The FBI has a long history of recruiting and training terrorists to attack the United States and then arresting them “just in time.”

How many times has the FBI hired and trained terrorists and failed to arrest them “just in time?” We may never know.

Is this, perhaps, why the military and intelligence agencies suspect the FBI may have actually been involved in the planning and execution of a terror attack against the United States?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/19/boston-terror-the-real-attack-vt-had-it-first/

[Water33/6]

Go on youtube of Lt. colonel potter... That video had over 500,000 views the other night, today it reads 140,000 views. Youtube changed the counter!

[turiya]

Boston - Empty Streets

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[turiya]

Boston - More Empty Streets

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turiya

[norman]

on the news in Toronto, it is showing that Boston is under police lock-down while hunting for the suspect(s) (there's only one left now)


they have also stated that the lock down may go through the weekend, "as long as it takes", from my recollection. they are also going to do a controlled demolition of the suspects house.
regards, corson


Oh no !... not again ? ....... They sure don't like to leave any evidence around, do they?

That's almost exactly what they did with the Colorado Cinema 'shooter's home, AND the hut another ex cop was staked out in.

Any old excuse to make sure there's nothing for the truthers to pick over later.

[Cidersomerset]

Boston bombing suspect arrested

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Published on 19 Apr 2013


The hunt for 19-year old Boston Marathon bombings suspect came to an end- after
a day of door-to-door search in Watertown MA police found him hiding out in a boat
under a tarp in the back yard of a building. Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev - the yongest of
the two brothers who allegedly detonated the bombs escaped the scene after the
law enforcement officials killed the older brother - 26-year old Tamerlan - in a
shotout early this morning. Dzhokhar is said to be injured. RT's Anastasia Churkina
is at the site of the original Boston Marathon bombing and brings us the latest.

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Manhunt Over: 2nd Boston bomber caught alive

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Published on 19 Apr 2013


There have been cheers and applause at the end of a fierce shootout, which saw a
man who kept Boston on edge for days, caught and taken into custody. A 19-year-
old suspect in Monday's deadly marathon bombings was seriously injured in the
standoff with police and is now in critical condition. RT's Anastasia Churkina, who
was at the scene, reports.

[Cidersomerset]

Its been suggested that Hollywood is all part of the greater mind control !!



(Dredd 2012 OST) 06 - Lockdown

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Judge Dredd - "I am the law" speech (Dredd 3D, 2012)


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[Mark]

This one day event cost over 300 million dollars I heard on CNN today. That includes the deployment as well as the estimated business losses from being shut down all day. In the case of more major terror attacks, that kind of expenditure and diversion of resources and manpower is unsustainable.

The show, then, cannot have had as its purpose the determent of terror. Rather, it was a show for the millions in this country and the billions watching abroad showing what it is going to look like to shut down a major metropolitan area for a day or longer.

If there is a next time, they won't need so many cops to man the streets. Americans now know what martial law looks like on the streets of a major metropolitan area. People will stay inside with little need for a show of force.

Fear is a helluva drug.

[Sirius White]

Congratulations America.

You just watched two patsys die...and cheered for it.

Today, I realized just how barbaric, backwards, and utterly ignorant human beings are. I almost think they deserve the agenda's that are coming our way. I'm sick and tired of sticking up for humanity and getting stamped over.

At the very least, these sheep should have common sense to take them alive so that we could question them- so that we could know WHO actually PLANNED the attack and where it came from (if not hear them plead their innocence).

The media is a circus and people's brain capacity is at an all time low. I'm ashamed to be a human being today.

[Cidersomerset]

"UPDATE! Boston Marathon Bombing Secrets"


Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0xDS054qCA


Published on Apr 19, 2013

The suspect was cornered and then arrested. But what is the real story. The real story is the FBI has a history of using informants to stir up mental deficients into bombing targets with fake bombs. That is part of history. Now the mother of the suspects has said that her son has been followed by the FBI for at least three years.


A reminder for new & old members looking in......Drills,False flags, media manipulation !!


ITV News - Drills Ran on day of london bombings 7-7-05

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Government was running drills of bombings at exact same stations at the
exact same times - reported by ITV. This news was not reported thereafter.
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7/7 London bombings - Terrorist exercise Peter Power - Cover up?

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Classic media intel leak !!

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[witchy1]

Never ever ever give up Sirius White. Take some time, collect your thoughts, regain courage - continue the good fight. We must win. we have to - else there is no hope for humanity at all

Stay sane - we stand united together and there is a glimmer of hope ..... all we need is time, just a wee bit more please

K xxx

[Vitalux]

Congratulations America.

You just watched two patsys die...and cheered for it.
.

Did both get killed? I am uncertain if just one of them were killed and the 19 yr old was captured ?:confused:

Could someone confirm that both suspects (alleged) are dead?

[SilentFeathers]

Here we go.....(19yr old in custody)


FBI interviewed dead Boston bombing suspect years ago

The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580534/fbi-interviewed-dead-boston-bombing-suspect-years-ago/

Strange date....


The network reported Friday afternoon that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev became an American citizen on Sept. 11, 2012.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/report-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-in-custody-second-at-large/

...and


A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will be responsible for questioning him.

The Miranda exemption exists to protect the public safety from another attack, according to the official.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspect-captured-alive-backyard-boat/story?id=18994511&#.UXHvs0K6a0J

[Twinsel]

I don't know if this was already posted, if so, sorry for the double post.

Sandy Hook crisis actors are the same as in the Boston Marathon False Flag Hoax
http://i2.wp.com/olympiczion.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/external-e1366381188780.jpg?resize=530%2C809
source: www.olympiczion.nl (http://olympiczion.nl/index.php/sandy-hook-crisis-acteurs-zijn-dezelfde-als-in-boston-false-flag-hoax/)

[RampartRanger]

Just got to this thread and haven't read through it yet but here's the interesting stuff I've found...

The media already justifying our invasion of Chechnya...I'm sure they'll greet us as liberators:
http://news.yahoo.com/russias-caucasus-breeding-ground-terror-113721792.html

This guy must be lying because he's a redneck from Alibama, right!?:
http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

I'm sure this was already posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hXg1uwFvfNg

[Kimberley]

Congratulations America.

You just watched two patsys die...and cheered for it.
.

Did both get killed? I am uncertain if just one of them were killed and the 19 yr old was captured ?:confused:

Could someone confirm that both suspects (alleged) are dead?

19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is alive and was captured last night as far as I have been told...

Second Marathon bombing suspect captured
All-day hunt brought Boston area to standstill; alleged accomplice dead
By Mark Arsenault
| Boston Globe Staff

April 20, 2013


full article here...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/20/second-marathon-suspect-captured-manhunt-ends/4ICVhfRArrGjgsiJnzJ2mM/story.html

In the waning moments of daylight, police descended Friday on a shrouded boat in a Watertown backyard to capture the suspected terrorist who had eluded their enormous dragnet for a tumultuous day, ending a dark week in Boston that ­began with the bombing of the world’s most prestigious road race.
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04/19/2013 WATERTOWN, MA SWAT teams moved into position at the intersection of Nichols Avenue (cq) and Melendy Avenue (cq) in Watertown while searching for one of the two marathon bombing suspects. (Aram Boghosian for The Boston Globe)
Boston locked down after manhunt for Marathon bombers

Interactive map: Timeline of the manhunt
Interactive map: Timeline of Marathon attack suspects
Manhunt for Boston Marathon bombing suspects ends
Coverage of the Marathon bombings

The arrest of 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of Cambridge ended an unprecedented daylong siege of Greater Boston, after a frantic night of violence that left one MIT police officer dead, an MBTA Transit Police officer wounded, and an embattled public — rattled again by the touch of terrorism — huddled inside homes.

Tsarnaev’s elder brother and ­alleged accom­plice — 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the second suspect in Monday’s Boston Marathon attack — was pronounced dead early Friday morning at Beth Israel ­Deaconess Medical Center, ­after suffering shrapnel and bullet wounds in a gunfight with police.


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was wounded and taken to a hospital. In an interview late last night, Patrick said he is “hoping very deeply he survives those wounds, because I’ve got a lot of questions and I know investigators have a lot of questions for him.”

[Camilo]

My kids were framed, says Boston bombing suspects' father
19/04/2013 Combined Report, RIR

An Interfax correspondent has managed to talk on the phone with a man introducing himself as Anzor, the father of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who are suspected of committing the Boston Marathon bomb attack on Monday.

"I learned about the incident from TV. My opinion is: the special services have framed my children, because they are practicing Muslims. Why did they kill Tamerlan? He was supposed to be caught alive. The younger is on the run now. He was a sophomore at a medical school in the U.S. We expected him to come home for vacation. Now I don't know what's going to happen. Tell you once again: I believe special services have framed my children," the man said.

The brothers’ uncle has confirmed to AP that the brothers lived together near Boston and have lived in the United States since immigrating there about a decade ago.

Apparently also resident in the US, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of Dzhokhar and Tamerlan, turns out to have a criminal record of her own. On June 13, 2012, the 45-year-old was arrested by the police in Natick, Massachusetts, and charged with larceny of women's clothing valued at $1,624, as well as two counts of malicious damage to property.

The Tsarnaev family moved to Dagestan from Kyrgyzstan in 2001, the school spokesman told RT. Dzhokhar studied there for just one year and produced no particular impression, good or bad, on the teachers.

“He arrived at our school in the first form and departed in the second,” Irina Bandurina, the secretary at Makhachkala’s School No.1, told RT. “They arrived from Kyrgyzstan and departed to the US. I’m telling you they lived here for a year. Not the whole year. They arrived at the school in 2001 and departed in March 2002 … There were four of them – two sisters and two brothers… It’s written here that they are from Kyrgyzstan. The Chechens.”

Dzhokhar was born in Kyrgyzstan. The family, which also included two daughters, Bella and Amina, had the status of refugees at the time they moved to Russia.

Vladimir Evseev, Director of the Center for Social and Political Studies, argues that terrorists’ origins don’t tell anything and terrorism is a global threat that need to be addressed.

“Terrorism has no face and those who commit terrorist acts have no nationality,” he said.“For example, some Russian passport holders have joined the Syrian rebels. These are people without a true homeland. They earn money by killing people, and cannot change their occupation. ... [Potential] terrorists may come from elsewhere."

Alexei Filatov, retired KGB officer and Vice-President of Russia’s elite Alpha Group Veterans’ Association assumes that the Tsarnaevs may be brainwashed.

“One of the suspects is 19 years old, a child. The other wanted to join the U.S. Olympic boxing team. It’s clear it would have been easy to brainwash them,” he said. “I don’t see an Islamic trail. Otherwise some organization would have taken credit for it by now. I’m not sure we’ll ever know who ordered the crime.”

“This will serve as a justification for any additional security measures the government takes, including military intervention abroad, directed at fighting radical Islam,” added Filatov.

Yet Evseev argues that the government should be more careful when it hosts foreign citizens with different backgrounds.

"Instead of sending troops to the Middle East to fight hostile regimes, America should focus on problems within its own borders,” he said.

U.S. law enforcement bodies earlier identified the Boston Marathon bombing suspects as Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev coming from Russia's North Caucasus.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed on Thursday night in a shootout with police, while his brother was cornered and captured alive in the manhunt a day later.

[Sirius White]

I like what the KGB agent says. They were brainwashed but not by an Islamist/Muslim group...

[Kimberley]

This has been posted however I do not remember where...

However I find this to be important to pay attention too...( I am not a fan of Glenn Beck, however I find this information of interest)

I am looking forward to what Glenn says on Monday...

Update On Saudi National Story - TheBlazeTV - The Glenn Beck Program - 2013.04.18

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Glenn Beck Gives Government Until Monday to Come Clean About Boston Bombing

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I have been trying to find full shows however I have not...:peace:

[Referee]

Great Video IMO Here it is

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[Water33/6]

Congratulations America.

You just watched two patsys die...and cheered for it.

Today, I realized just how barbaric, backwards, and utterly ignorant human beings are. I almost think they deserve the agenda's that are coming our way. I'm sick and tired of sticking up for humanity and getting stamped over.

At the very least, these sheep should have common sense to take them alive so that we could question them- so that we could know WHO actually PLANNED the attack and where it came from (if not hear them plead their innocence).

The media is a circus and people's brain capacity is at an all time low. I'm ashamed to be a human being today.

Seeing on the front page of every msm newspaper of stupid ppl cheering, as most were college students.... brainwashed morons... that they got the bombers. Me too I'm ashamed of this species we call humans. Not coming back to this planet in my next incarnation.

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We don't live in a civilized society...worse than the Middle Ages when they burned "witches" .... Murdering innocent ppl. Those two kids could be you or me next.

[Referee]

Great Video IMO Here it is

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The man who made this video did zero research. He's speculating, that's it.

The younger brothers backpack wasn't black. Also, the Craft man he's singled out is still wearing his backpack after the blast and he's still at the scene.

This video is a joke. No offense.

I disagree Sorry V. You do good work try this one then.....

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I trust Daboo7 like I trust you. IMO he has something here. He broke the Batman Map and He Broke the Bombing of Iran's Nuclear enrichment facility here in the States to say he hasn't done the research.......... I have a problem with that. We are all in this together. I play nice please play nice what is your take do you something I am not seeing?

[humanalien]

Beck gives obama until monday to admit that boston
bombing was an inside job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_PZFOFrkQU

[Jeffrey]

I play nice please play nice what is your take do you something I am not seeing?

I'm not meaning to come off brash, I'm honestly just a little frustrated. There is so much rampant speculation going on regarding this event and the more I dig the more blatant the speculation becomes.

Referee, I don't know what other videos that YouTube user has made and I haven't watched them. I can tell you confidently that he is wrong in his assertions regarding that video in particular (what he calls evidence, it's fantasy).

Here are the pictures so you can see for yourself.

This is the backpack from the first explosion.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/04/fbi-black-backpack-boston-AP13041612269-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg

It looks like it was probably a backpack, and it's definitely black. The man in that video highlighted the off-white squarish piece near the center-right of the mangled bag (we can't even say for sure whether it's on the handle or not). He said that this was the same square as the one on this man's backpack in the photo below.

http://dailybail.com/storage/boston-suspect-bomb.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1366233936976

On the left, you can see what looks like the number eleven written in the white square, or some parallel stitching there. Yet, it's not on the square of the mangled bag.

That's not even the main, glaring inconsistency with the video though. See the right side of the photo? It's the same guy with the backpack and you can see the whitish square piece on the top of the backpack (it's either tape or it's some kind of fabric stitched on the handle). The image on the right was taken after the bomb went off.

While the mangled bag is laying near the aftermath of the explosion, this man still has his backpack.

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/2JZyQbZTqdwm.jpg

As for the younger brother's backpack (the alleged suspect) -- it wasn't black. Not according to this image.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/times-journal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/51/a515df90-a870-11e2-87dd-0019bb2963f4/51706888b9086.image.jpg

The man in the video claims that he's still wearing a backpack, which would have to be much darker than the one in the image above. It really looks like his elbow to me.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/04/boston-marathon-suspect-runner-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suspect-2.jpg

http://bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/ap/023769aee37f45259f324aed14e21d18.jpg

Okay, I've zoomed into this picture above on a large, high definition screen. What that man claims is the kid's backpack -- it's not a backpack. It's definitely his elbow, there's no doubt in my mind. I can clearly see it. These are my observations and they are objective.

I'm not going to tell you what to think or how to think. I've laid out the pictures and the thought process behind my criticisms of that man's YouTube video. I don't know about any of his other videos.

In this case, he didn't do his research and he's recklessly speculating to support whatever scenario he wants to believe in. That, or he's just ignoring the evidence that disagrees with what he wants to believe. I don't know. Whatever the case may be, he's flat out wrong here (what he calls proof, it's not).

Since he's garnered the trust of some people, I'd say his commentary in this situation is irresponsible too.

He may have made a couple of valid points between the minutes 1:00 and 2:30. After that my respect for his investigative skills plummeted -- very quickly. It made me less inclined to take anything he said seriously. Everybody has an opinion.

I hope this was helpful to you.

Thanks,

Vivek

[Snookie]

Well I sure hope he has conclusive proof, and that he doesn't get droned or something before then.

[heysoulsister]

Some more well thought out judgement would be wonderful to see whilst we all collectively try to piece together the pieces of the puzzle.
And a little less jumping the gun. ;)
I can't see any possible way that the victims are actors, there is just no way they could have pulled that off in a open crowd like that.
BTW - all the speculation around the shredded clothes, bits of clothes missing and not seeing injuries underneath - ummm it looks to me like they were burnt/incinerated.
I don't want to post it and would rather not draw attention to it but one of the pictures that Vivek posted you can clearly see the one man's hair is badly singed.

The fact that Craft agents were there and that their motto is "Despite what your momma told you - Violence does solve problems" bothers me greatly.
What a wonderful humanitarian like motto :rolleyes:
And those guys just stood back and did sweet f all after the explosions - odd behaviour IMO.

Eerie how empty the streets were in lock down and so easily done.
Could it be a test run for a future event, all those empty streets and buildings make for a very very convenient way to actually install some really destructive explosives.

We all know there is a bigger agenda being rolled out here - lets just work together and try to stay ahead of them.

[JohnEAngel]

the people who were said to have been cheering, what did they do? gather for a photo op? were they in a group awaiting news of the capture and when they heard of it they broke into applause? this is a snippet from a Yahoo article, "Celebratory bells rang from a church tower. Teenagers waved American flags. Drivers honked. Every time an emergency vehicle went by, people cheered loudly." somehow that just doesn't sound real to me. am i off the mark here?

[Hervé]

@witchy1:

Here is the bloody scene after a few hours... the blood has now darkened from coagulation taking place, compared to the arterial blood sprayed out of two severed legs...



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8245/8652977441_27a9b7e489_c.jpg



For those that used to watch some CSI kind of stuff:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/16/article-2309545-19549ED3000005DC-981_964x647.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310596-195437B9000005DC-11_964x636.jpg
Looks all neat and proper not to contaminate...


Well, that same site a few hours prior:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8103/8654015430_fba3825d1c_c.jpg
... if there ever was a contaminated site...



... and for those wondering about bomb squad backpacks:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/18/article-2310596-195D2038000005DC-239_964x637.jpg

[Jeffrey]

the people who were said to have been cheering, what did they do? gather for a photo op? were they in a group awaiting news of the capture and when they heard of it they broke into applause? this is a snippet from a Yahoo article, "Celebratory bells rang from a church tower. Teenagers waved American flags. Drivers honked. Every time an emergency vehicle went by, people cheered loudly." somehow that just doesn't sound real to me. am i off the mark here?

I think they were bleating. Nobody knows what to believe. Often times, it's more convenient to just listen to what the news tells you. They thought the police nabbed the guy who did it, so they bleated. The story hasn't finished unfolding yet. The bleats may soon turn to howls. Unfortunately, those howls may be heard as quacks.

Anyways, I hope we learn the truth and recognize it when we see it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Ah - one more thing - we have to be careful of basing conclusions on a few images uploaded to Youtube.

We know (those of us who have studied the JFK assassination, in particular) that doctoring what images the public sees was routine business, even back a half century ago now.

How trivial it would be to doctor up a few videos and upload them to Youtube as if from some random bystanders iPhone, showing ... damn near anything they wanted to show.

I would not convict any of the people that any of us has suspected of so much as a parking ticket based on these videos, if I were on the jury. The chain of custody of evidence, and the trustworthiness and competence of each person in that chain, is critical. There is no such chain for what we have been viewing above.

[Anchor]

How trivial it would be to doctor up a few videos and upload them to Youtube as if from some random bystanders iPhone, showing ... damn near anything they wanted to show.

I think this is quite a likely scenario. Given that there are shills working on most common social media sites, they are probably handed them to post.

We already saw one example of an allegedly doctored news report on this thread.

[Hervé]

Might as well repost this here too:

Update on this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663638&viewfull=1#post663638) and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663861&viewfull=1#post663861):

Calibrating the timing of the bombs' detonations from the Boston Globe video to the marathon finish line clocks; the first explosion did occur at 4:09:44 PM, local time, but the second explosion (blast sound) occurred at 4:09:58 PM.



1) first explosion blasted at 4:09:44 PM some 20' away from where the 2 "Craft" guys were stationed:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p9w3oQiVrUcFE2iccqp7V_M5jd-C_VOEX_fyMOx5porXUCB_GIUvMkKjcdh8vcjydCuwgCfGWf-8n6wEvLPIGhlBVJ5l9btQ0/before-blast-01.jpg?psid=1


2) 4:09:58 PM, second blast occurred further down the street from the finish line and on the same street side


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p4fiiPjZB-bD94Rw3yMpQN3imvWql0e5HUA5Rv_mTW6a303VgIJsLf8tFfWtrFr1fFNA95OtG9ag8y13h6OLLmnfYGUUdDZi3/Craft%20crew-01.jpg?psid=1




3) 4:11:40 PM (marathon finish line clock above their head), the two "Craft" guys are now standing on the other side of the street beyond the finish line.They had about 2 minutes to cover that distance from their "Sweetgreen" store station, after the first blast, flowing with the crowd fleeing the scene.


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg
High resolution picture at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8653970482/sizes/o/in/set-72157633252445135/


In other words, they missed spotting the "unusual" of the dropping of the bomb right under their nose... not good for their matricule... since that, according to VT:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png
What our Special Ops people just can’t believe: these stand out security contractors who look like they are from ‘overseas’ just happen to be stationed 15 to 20 feet left of the first bomb…but seem to have left the position prior to it being dropped…and moved across the street which happened to be a good place. Protocol is to not have them move around, as if they do they don’t know who is new in an area, who they have been talking to, how they are acting.


Now look at them after the bombing, still in their Butch Cassidy and Sundance mode, on the phone, and not the slightest bit involved with what is going on around them other than communicating with someone.

Usually the bosses back at headquarters are watching everything live on video anyway, from a variety of cameras. You don’t really have any security if you are doing that as protocol is to even have the plain clothes guys being watched to make sure they are not chatting up some babe. Yes, they have to do that.

Here is photo one. Protocol is zone defence…people at street level with people above watching their backs so you have three pairs of eyes on one zone, plus a video camera.


I disagree with VT that they moved around prior to the bomb detonating since they had about 2 minutes to cover the distance after the first explosion and 1-1/2 minute after the second explosion.

4) 4:12:50 PM, all the "Craft" gang is around their command center SUV:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SUV_Arrives.jpg
High resolution picture at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8653998830/sizes/o/in/set-72157633252445135/


5) about 8 "Craft" operatives are around that SUV:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Perps-and-command-vehicle.jpg

... all in "uniform"... the reason being, according to VT:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Once again, they are engaged with no one around them and seem totally relaxed and doing nothing but communicating with someone. These are DHS contractors. They dress the same so the team knows who they are, Feds, versus locals.

This is the only photo of them involved with some one, the FBI bomb squad people. I wonder if they are telling them “they almost got us!!…"


My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the "Craft" outfit.


For larger resolution pictures see: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craftinternational17apr13.shtml

and: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/19/breaking-bombing-news-the-brothers-tsarnaev/

About 1 to 2 hours later (not sure which time zone this particular Fox News is operating on), command center SUV and crew truck still on the scene now mostly deserted:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pTa5nEl13rFIeUyHpLv0KXLAbnxLw4Zu1jw0N1K_TzzIr-B1K2toNW7397vDnrypUkN1higLQl9FIHTTXwzmXp7J5BdPXijTh/SUV-01.jpg?psid=1
Crew truck leaving after SUV


On the premise of this assumption:


On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...


"The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.


... and considering the above options and those of post # 44 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=664126&viewfull=1#post664126), what boggles the mind is that these operatives "missed it" in spite of, presumably, having beforehand data on the situation for them to be hired on the job in the first place. These are "pros" and they "missed it"?

A shaped charged (designed to propel the shrapnel in a specific direction) is also the work of "pros."

Hence, are we witnessing a battle between "pros" as suspected by Lt Col. Potter or are all of them conniving for the fueling of the terror grip on the US and world population?


Update:

Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the "Craft" crew:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2w/UXD4kmlDbFI/AAAAAAAAHKE/faW233sYkz8/s1600/FBI_Arrives.jpg
High resolution picture at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8654066988/sizes/o/in/set-72157633252445135/

[Abhaya]

How in the world does the guy who lost his legs in that manor not bleed out?.....

[Spix]

Might as well repost this here too:

...


Great info! Great job!

[Referee]

I stand corrected Vivek I will get this info to Daboo7 I hope he puts out a correction! Nice work.

Kevin

[jackovesk]

An Admiral effort on your behalf Vivek, sharing your own truth on how 'in your eyes' the events unfolded...

As I have stated right from the 'Get-go' of the bombing...



PSSS - Know just (1 THING) on a Day like today & the Weeks leading up to the Event, the (Main Street) would have be littered with...

CCTV Cameras (They would have EVERYTHING on Film)...:yes4:

http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/2008/09/24/f72aa1128add8c8adfb5e7d6c3399ed7_resized.JPG

So 'Now' the Feds should have it on film just where the brothers (Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev)...


Were b4 the bombing took place..?
Were at the time of 'Detonation'..?
Were Immediately after the 'Detonation'..?


Not to forget the (Drill) that was in full swing before, during & after the event...

As we (ALL) know, just like (All) the 'False Flags', this crucial 'Evidence' will (Never) see the light of Day...:nono:

What we do know is that Dzhokhar will be interview by a crack federal team of 'Interrogators' who have had experience at (Guantanimo Bay) & Middle East..!

PS -

NY Times: ‘FBI Staged Terror Attacks’

April 20, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RidBrYAdvPg&feature=player_embedded

This is the latest up to the minute info on the tragic Boston marathon bombings.

The FBI and other agencies have a long and well documented history of staging terror events to get more power. It’s also suspicious they told us only to observe photos and information they provided, after postponing a press conference set to take place earlier this week, and awkward media bumbling in misreporting the capture of a lone suspect.

In this video, Alex proves that the Federal system has the motive as well as the means and history of staging terror events. They are suspect number one.

RELATED: Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I. – http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all

RELATED: FBI organizes almost all terror plots in the US – http://www.infowars.com/fbi-organizes-almost-all-terror-plots-in-the-us/

RELATED: Full Extent of FBI Role in Boston Bombing Will Never Be Known – http://www.infowars.com/full-extent-of-fbi-role-in-boston-bombing-will-never-be-known/

RELATED: Why Government Should Be The First Suspect In Any Terror Attack – http://www.infowars.com/why-government-should-be-the-first-suspect-in-any-terror-attack/

RELATED: The FBI Needs To Explain Why It Failed To Monitor Boston Bombing Suspect Despite A Clear Warning – http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-warned-about-boston-bombing-suspect-2013-4

RELATED: Was the FBI Monitoring Boston Bombing Suspects for Years? – http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/was-fbi-monitoring-boston-bombing-suspects-years

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ny-times-fbi-staged-terror-attacks.html

PSS -

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322162.1366407047!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/twitter20n-5-web.jpg


Dzhokhar had time to tweet on the run...?

Surviving Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had time to tweet on the run

After killing 3 and wounding 180, the surviving brother tweets, 'Ain’t no love in the heart of the city,” a line from rapper Jay-Z. He adds, chillingly, 'stay safe people.'
Comments (32)
By Deborah Hastings / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Friday, April 19, 2013, 5:33 PM

Between planting bombs and being on the lam, he somehow found time to tweet.

Boston bombing “Suspect 2,” identified by police as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, took to Twitter about a dozen times since Monday’s deadly twin blasts killed three people and injured more than 180 others.

PHOTOS: MANHUNT FOR BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING SUSPECTS

At 12:43 a.m. Wednesday, the subject of a massive manhunt wrote: “I’m a stress free kind of guy.”

@J—tsar is the handle of 19-year-old Tsarnaev, the alleged bomber still at large. His brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed during a high-speed car chase in which the pair lobbed bombs at pursuing police.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322157.1366406148!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/twitter20n-4-web.jpg


Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev quotes Mufti Ismail Menki, who Tsarnaev says is a Muslim scholar in Zimbabwe.

LIVE COVERAGE: MANHUNT UNDERWAY FOR BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING SUSPECT

The missives ranged from the mundane to the malevolent.

Just a few hours after the gruesome attacks, he wrote, “Ain’t no love in the heart of the city,” a line from rapper Jay-Z. He added, “stay safe people.”

RELATED: BOSTON MARATHON BOMBINGS MANHUNT: A TIMELINE

That night, he wrote “Lol those people are cooked.”

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322158.1366406151!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/twitter20n-3-web.jpg


Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev quotes Jay-Z.

On Tuesday he posted “So then I says to him, I says, relax bro my beard is not loaded.”

RELATED: LUPICA: WHOEVER DID BOMBINGS WILL BE CAUGHT

On Friday, someone retweeted that post and added “But my backpack is.”

Tuesday was a busy Twitter day for the wanted man, whose Twitter avatar is a snarling lion.

RELATED: BOSTON MARATHON RUNNER QUESTIONED BY COPS SAYS 'I DIDN'T DO IT.'

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322159.1366406153!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/twitter20n-2-web.jpg


Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev makes light of the manhunt looking for him on Twitter.

He advised one follower to get “Claritin clear,”an apparent reference to the allergy medicine.

He also took time to monitor what was being tweeted about the bombings.

PHOTOS: COMFORT DOGS IN BOSTON

Some had posted the now-famous photo of a man shielding a prone, bloodied woman. It was accompanied an incorrect claim that the man was the woman’s boyfriend and was planning to propose.

“Fake story,” @J—tsar tweeted back.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322160.1366406155!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/twitter20n-1-web.jpg


Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev Twitter page shows he was tweeting after the twin blasts.

PHOTOS: TWO EXPLOSIONS ROCK BOSTON MARATHON FINISH LINE

His last Twitter words came Wednesday at 12:30 p.m., when he retweeted a comment from Mufti Ismail Menk, whose Twitter profile says he is a Muslim scholar in Zimbabwe:

“Attitude can take away your beauty no matter how good looking you are or it could enhance your beauty, making you adorable.”

RELATED: BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING MAY BE LINKED TO DOMESTIC ATROCITY ANNIVERSARIES: EXPERTS

Social media expert Ken Anderson, who co-directs a University of Colorado at Boulder project that monitors social media during emergencies, has been documenting traffic about the Boston bombings.

“Social media is something that can be used to do good things — and something that can be used to do bad things.”

RELATED: FBI RELEASES IMAGES OF BOSTON BOMBING SUSPECTS

DHastings@nydailynews.com


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-marathon-bombing-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-tweets-run-article-1.1322163

[humanalien]

My thinking is that, either he is telling the truth
and he needs to hide over the weekend, in case
the g-men want him dead or this is another sort
of distraction, created by the government.

Beck isn't really known for his truthfulness, so i
guess it could go either way.

[Referee]

Glen Beck is he sitting on info? Warns the Government they have until Monday or Blaze will expose the Government.

LiEpSggvZFU

[Jeffrey]

An Admiral effort on your behalf Vivek, sharing your own truth on how 'in your eyes' the events unfolded...

It's not how the event unfolded in my eyes. That post had a video that documented the detonation of a bomb in the middle of a crowd of people. The photographs are of that same crowd after the bomb exploded. It's not my truth, it's just what happened.

The video is right there, along with the photographs. I can only post nine images per post. There are plenty more (pictures and videos).

[jackovesk]

An Admiral effort on your behalf Vivek, sharing your own truth on how 'in your eyes' the events unfolded...

It's not how the event unfolded in my eyes. That post had a video that documented the detonation of a bomb in the middle of a crowd of people. The photographs are of that same crowd after the bomb exploded. It's not my truth, it's just what happened.

The video is right there, along with the photographs. I can only post nine images per post. There are plenty more (pictures and videos).

'He was just relaxed': After attack, Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev partied, went to gym

By Erik Ortiz / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Saturday, April 20, 2013, 1:56 PM

The 19-year-old UMass-Dartmouth sophomore acted as if everything was normal following the attack, friends said. Tsarnaev was described as a nice kid who liked soccer and never shared any radical ideas.

He was hardly running scared.

As authorities worked vigorously to identify the culprits behind the carnage at the Boston Marathon, 19-year-old suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev acted as if everything was normal.

The sophomore attended a party two days after Monday’s bombing. He hit the gym. And he went to his dorm room at UMass-Dartmouth for a night’s rest, according to reports.

“He was just relaxed,” a student who claimed to be at the same party Wednesday night as Tsarnaev told The Boston Globe.

But Tsarnaev and his 26-year-old brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, became the nation’s most wanted men when a campus police officer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was shot dead Thursday night — at the hands of the brothers, police said.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed during an ensuing shootout with police, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was finally captured Friday night after a daylong manhunt outside of Boston in Watertown, about an hour north from his college.

But as the rest of the country wanted to know who could have planted two deadly bombs that killed three spectators and injured more than 180 people, Tsarnaev was apparently keeping up appearances.

“He had the balls to come back and act like everything was OK, like nothing happened,” friend Andrew Glasby told ABC News.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322827.1366479696!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/party21n-1-web.jpg


Andrew Glasby, friend of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev who lived in the same dorm, says he spoke with the alleged bomber a day after Monday’s Boston Marathon attack.

Glasby said he lives a floor above Tsarnaev and they happened to talk a day after the bombing.

“I thought it was just regular old Jahar,” Glasby said, referring to Tsarnaev’s nickname. “We had a typical conversation, he was not startled, he was not scared, he was not anything. He was just the same old Jahar.”

UMass confirmed that Tsarnaev was on campus Wednesday, and that his access card swipes showed he visited the gym and went to his dorm room that night, ABC News reported.

Glasby said Tsarnaev even offered to give him a lift to his family’s home on Friday.


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the alleged Boston Marathon bomber, wrestled in high school. He was also active in intramural soccer at UMass-Dartmouth.

“I was just shocked,” Glasby said after hearing his friend was identified as the alleged bomber. “Shocked is the word for it. I did note expect it. This was out of nowhere.”

Tsarnaev enjoyed playing intramural soccer and soccer video games, listening to hip-hop and using marijuana, although he said he had stopped smoking this year, Glasby said.

He never spoke about radical beliefs or political motivations, friends added.

The Tsarnaev brothers were legal permanent residents of the United States and ethnic Chechens whose family left Kyrgyzstan, a former Soviet republic.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322825.1366479689!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/1282519a.jpg


Dzhokar Tsarnaev was well-liked and friendly with many of his classmates, even taking trips with friends to Times Square.

“He never said anything about Russia versus the United States,” Pamala Rolon, a 22-year-old UMass Dartmouth senior who was friendly with Tsarnaev, told The Globe.

Other friends and acquaintances described Tsarnaev as someone who was low-key and friendly.

“He was one of the nicest kids,” Chris Barry, a friend who had wrestled with Tsarnaev, told ABC News. “Every single time I saw him, he made sure to say hi.”

But Emily DeInnocentis, 23, said Tsarnaev came to her house for a party uninvited last fall and spread string cheese on the couch and took her cat upstairs for no reason, The Globe reported.

“We just didn’t invite him over after that,” she told the newspaper. “How many people just pick up your cat and go upstairs?”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-partied-gym-days-bombing-article-1.1322828

[ThePythonicCow]

This has been posted however I do not remember where...
It was posted earlier on this same thread: Post #342 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=663979&viewfull=1#post663979), and posted again later in another thread that I have merged onto this thread: Post #378 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664307&viewfull=1#post664307) :).

[Jeffrey]

---------------

Jackovesk,

Great article. Yet, I don't understand what that article has to do with the post. Care to explain the connection?

[jackovesk]

Glen Beck is he sitting on info? Warns the Government they have until Monday or Blaze will expose the Government.

LiEpSggvZFU

The is 'Glen Beck's (MOMENT of TRUTH)...:yes4:

His (Entire) Career rests on this...:yes4:

Im putting him on (Beck :shocked: Watch)...:wizard:

[jackovesk]

An Admiral effort on your behalf Vivek, sharing your own truth on how 'in your eyes' the events unfolded...

It's not how the event unfolded in my eyes. That post had a video that documented the detonation of a bomb in the middle of a crowd of people. The photographs are of that same crowd after the bomb exploded. It's not my truth, it's just what happened.

The video is right there, along with the photographs. I can only post nine images per post. There are plenty more (pictures and videos).


---------------

Jackovesk,

Great article. Yet, I don't understand what that article has to do with the post. Care to explain the connection?

FBI Boston Bombing Video Altered To Hide Fact Bomber Was Black Ops Mercenary?

Friday, April 19, 2013 11:45

FBI surveillance video is in fact a digitally manipulated slideshow of still photos and not an actual video.

This is evidenced by the existence of ghost images appearing in between still photos in the so-called video as a transition effect is applied during the fade between frames.

As many in the alternative media have already pointed out special-ops were photographed all over the site of the Boston Marathon bombing before, during and after the attacks.

While there is speculation those photographed could be Navy Seals the overwhelming majority of the evidence points to those in the photograph being part of a for hire black-ops mercenary squad known as Tradecraft.

Shortly after Before It’s News reporter Alexander Higgins reported on the digitally manipulated slideshow the FBI and the media are fraudulently passing as actual surveillance video it was suggested the alteration may have been done to hide mercenary’s signature skull logo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJsUB7SaBXA&feature=player_embedded

Upon asking why this may have been done it was suggested the video may very well have been altered to hide the tell-tale skull that is part of the Trade Craft insignia the alternative media is buzzing about..

After further investigating the so-called FBI surveillance “video” for signs of alteration it was immediately obvious that the images of the alleged suspects had possibly been altered to hide the fact they where in fact part of the black-ops team on site.

This image comparing the alleged suspect, which police say is still at large and is the man that physically planted both of the bombs, to the black-ops personnel photographed at the bombing.

http://newhorizongaragedoorsllc.com/blog/images/fake/Comparison%20Of%20Alleged%20Suspect%20To%20Black%2 0Op%20Mercanaries.jpg

To be clear here is an actual picture of the alleged suspected

http://newhorizongaragedoorsllc.com/blog/images/fake/Actual%20FBI%20Bombing%20Video%20Screenshot.jpg

Enlarging the image reveals a clear area that may have been digitally manipulated to hide the skull logo.

http://newhorizongaragedoorsllc.com/blog/images/fake/Altered%20Image%20in%20FBI%20Boston%20Bombing%20Su rveillance%20Video.jpg

As previously noted:

http://newhorizongaragedoorsllc.com/blog/images/FBI%20Bombing%20Suspect%20Video%20Faked.jpg

For an explanation of why the video is clearly a slide show that is being faked into appearing to a video see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJsUB7SaBXA&feature=player_embedded).

With mercenary firms around the globe now owned by Wall Street banks and acting as private armies for global elitists who are funded in most cases exclusively with US taxpayer money such ruthless thugs not loyal to our Constitution have no business conducting operations inside the United States.

It raises all kinds of questions about their presence which become even more intriguing when considering the main stream corporate media and law enforcement officials refuse to even acknowledge their presence at the bomb site nonetheless date attempt to explain why they were there and what they were doing.

PS - Set Up..!!!

Can it only happen in the movies? You tell me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wkqo_Rd3_Q

PSS -

Video: Boston Globe Tweets About Controlled Explosion Before It Happens

April 20, 2013

http://cdn1.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2013/04/bostonmar-300x154.jpg

On the day of the bombings during the Boston Marathon, The Boston Globe tweeted “Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities.”

As of now, one apparent suspect has been killed and the other aprehended for an event officials were committing as well or knew was going to happen? Is it once again a coincidence that officials happened to be running drills of the exact same events that occur later in the day?

Before I get into this further, alternative media and others who are paying attention to what’s actually happening, are not the only one’s seeing the clear pattern and impossible coincidences the mainstream media seems to magically miss. Former Congresswomen Cynthia McKinney made several tweets on the day of the event, even she has suspicion about the coincidences that exist. Cynthia’s Tweets.

http://cdn3.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2013/04/Screen-Shot-2013-04-20-at-1.07.00-PM.png

I cannot tell you precisely what happened because I do not know. All I am able to tell you is what I have been able to find in my own research and from what I am seeing here, it is all very similar to previous false flag attacks that have occurred in the past. When it came to 9/11, 7/7 London bombings, Sandy Hook shootings and others, the media was leaving out all details regarding very large and telling coincidences. What benefit would there be from leaving out the fact that there is the existence of identically mirrored drills being run at the exact same time as the “terrorist” incidents themselves? Not to mention the drills being run were remarkably identical to the incidents that ended up playing out. While the answer to this question might seem obvious to some, to others it simply is not being looked at.

Why is it that every time suspicious terrorist activity occurs in the United States, there is little to no degree of separation between government and three-letter agency- personnel and the suspected perpetrators? Across the street the CIA is doing one thing while “the terrorists” are doing the exact same thing, only for real. How many times does the same thing need to happen over and over again before we begin to see what is happening here?

We have to ask ourselves ‘who are the terrorists?’ We are always hearing of troubled kids or muslim radicals conducting these events yet there is never any solid evidence to link them to it. However, it is indisputable that the FBI is actively engaged in carrying out bomb plots in the United States, then halting them at the last minute to “catch the terrorists.” This has even been covered in the New York Times, and other publications.

Below is a video that examines what took place. It is a simple look into the events and timing of what happened.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luyvA6BbdEo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/20/video-boston-globe-tweets-about-controlled-explosion-before-it-happens/

[ghostrider]

okay, they had a saudi national in custody, with high connections and he is being deported on tuesday on matters of national security... the royal family doesn't want any embarrassment ??? the guy was seen acting suspicious and a boston citizen chased him and tackled him and turned him over to the police ...the mainstream buried the story and out come the fall guys ...

[Jeffrey]

Jackovesk,

That article doesn't speak to the content you originally quoted from my post either.

I watched the video you linked to. Here it is:

WJsUB7SaBXA

Why would you find this credible? All the people that I saw walking on the sidewalk had the "ghost drag/trailing" effect. So, you want me to believe that the FBI digitally took out everybody on the sidewalk and replaced them with frame by frame still shots of other people to make it look like they were walking?

According to the logic of that man, that's what happened if someone on the sidewalk in the video had that effect (by the way, it's due to the poor frame rate and resolution of the surveillance/security camera).

I'm not convinced.

PS - I'm going to bed. Goodnight.

[turiya]

jackovesk wrote:

Shortly after Before It’s News reporter Alexander Higgins reported on the digitally manipulated slideshow the FBI and the media are fraudulently passing as actual surveillance video it was suggested the alteration may have been done to hide mercenary’s signature skull logo.

http://newhorizongaragedoorsllc.com/blog/images/fake/Comparison%20Of%20Alleged%20Suspect%20To%20Black%20Op%20Mercanaries.jpg



Nothing there to hide...

Boston Suspect's Cap Identified

http://www.motherjones.com/files/bridgestone-golf-hat.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/files/bridgestone-cap-side-by-side-2.jpg
Source (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/bridgestone-hat-worn-boston-bombing-suspect-one)

turiya :cool:

[jackovesk]

An Admiral effort on your behalf Vivek, sharing your own truth on how 'in your eyes' the events unfolded...

It's not how the event unfolded in my eyes. That post had a video that documented the detonation of a bomb in the middle of a crowd of people. The photographs are of that same crowd after the bomb exploded. It's not my truth, it's just what happened.

The video is right there, along with the photographs. I can only post nine images per post. There are plenty more (pictures and videos).


Jackovesk,

That article doesn't speak to the content you originally quoted from my post either.

I watched the video you linked to. Here it is:

WJsUB7SaBXA

Why would you find this credible? All the people that I saw walking on the sidewalk had the "ghost drag/trailing" effect. So, you want me to believe that the FBI digitally took out everybody on the sidewalk and replaced them with frame by frame still shots of other people to make it look like they were walking?

According to the logic of that man, that's what happened if someone on the sidewalk in the video had that effect (by the way, it's due to the poor frame rate and resolution of the surveillance/security camera).

I'm not convinced.

PS - I'm going to bed. Goodnight.

...............




Everybody has an opinion.

I hope this was helpful to you.

Thanks,

Vivek

Same as you said...

Jack

[jackovesk]

US most obvious 'False Flag Attack' yet...

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130420/naderian20130420073838090.jpg
A scene at the finish line of the Boston Marathon following the twin bomb blasts

Saturday Apr 20, 2013

This week’s terror attack in Boston is not the first incredible failure of intelligence and law enforcement America has suffered. By “incredible,” I mean exactly that, “not to be believed.”

Before the smoke had cleared, the Israel Lobby and DEBKA had identified “domestic terrorists with Mid-East connections” as the guilty parties. This, alone, was taken as a confirmation that a very real conspiracy was involved, this time the most obvious false flag terror attack yet.

Highest sources “weigh in” on Boston bombing

During 9/11, NORAD and the entire United States Air Force “vaporized” just like the FBI, DHS, and Boston PD security did. We’re getting used to it, being lied to and, frankly, being murdered as well.

Within minutes of the Boston attack, America’s intelligence and Special Operations community put their back-channel “round-robin” into motion. This is how America’s top intelligence operatives informally share sensitive information on threats.

Those with the highest access to both human and signals intelligence, those tasked with tracking and killing terrorists came to a very startling conclusion.

“An American agency was involved, out first guess is that it is the FBI.”

Had I asked this question three years ago and I did, I would have been called a “conspiracy theorist,” and, in fact, I was. Now I am told, “Duff, you were right all along, we feel like such idiots.”

America’s Special Operations community has, of late, been under attack. The group, long closely allied with their Israeli counterparts and still maintaining strong friendships with Israeli counterparts, is now skeptical of the souring relationship and Netanyahu’s poor leadership.

Moreover, many of America’s elite warriors have been shocked to find groups they belonged to listed as “terrorist.” Their conservative politics and patriotism is now being characterized as a threat to national security.

The new policy that has brought suspicion upon many of America’s military and intelligence leaders originates from Tel Aviv. None saw this coming, this betrayal.

Background

In 2005, President Bush (43) appointed Michael Chertoff, an Israeli citizen, as director of the Department of Homeland Security. It was Chertoff’s job, while Secretary of DHS, to place all law enforcement, counter-terrorism, and domestic surveillance operations under Israeli control.

This was done by directing all contracts to Israeli companies, all equipment, all training, and full access to all intelligence databases. American companies, even “disabled veteran owned,” were excluded until they took on Israeli partners.

All Americans involved in legislative and policy areas, defense, intelligence, law enforcement, and counter-terrorism efforts were taken to Israel for indoctrination. Tens of thousands made the trip.

Israel was seen as “all knowing.”

Years later, when more Americans learned that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had been murdered, others spending decades in concentration camps while Israel conspired directly with the nations it claimed were its “blood enemies,” Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, and the UAE.

Indoctrinated to “look the other way”

Rather than improve skills and learn from very able Israeli experts, those trained by Israelis became, albeit through a form of “brainwashing,” complicit in helping undermine the United States.

Thus, when we learned from the University of Mobile cross-country coach, Ali Stevenson, a participant in the marathon, that police told him they were running a terrorism “drill,” things became clear.

Such drills are overseen by the Department of Homeland Security who subcontracts to Israeli companies. They hire actors to wear backpacks with “simulated” explosives in order to test security.
Several “actors” with backpacks containing “simulated” pressure-cooker bombs were spotted and their photographs published.

The same thing happened in London when, on July 7, 2005, actors hired by an Israeli company to “play” roles as terrorists with “simulated” bombs in backpacks were credited with killing or injuring over 700 commuters.

These are only two of many such “coincidences,” now clearly seen as the result of “infiltration” of America’s security infrastructure by terrorist elements somehow related to Israel.

The results of this are now being seen, bogus “lone gunman” shootings, each more “incredible” than the last and now the Boston Bombing.

Ignoring espionage

When George W. Bush “assumed the presidency,” the FBI had been investigating AIPAC, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, as an espionage organization. Stephen Rosen and Keith Weissman, both Israeli citizens working at AIPAC, had been arrested for espionage along with Lawrence Franklin, an American official.

Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff and Attorney General John Ashcroft ordered prosecution of Rosen and Weissman to be dropped. Franklin, their co-conspirator went to prison.

AIPAC, along with the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) under Abraham Foxman and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) under Morris Dees, were then contracted to “educate” America’s military and law enforcement about terrorist threats.

However, as these organizations are Israeli financed and controlled and, as Netanyahu has stated often, “when America suffers, Israel profits,” any help from this direction is more “disease” than “cure.”

The first Bush nominee had to be withdrawn, NYC Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, bagman for self-ordained “9/11 hero” Rudy Giuliani, former mayor. Kerik, who, on 9/11, took personal custody of those arrested with weapons and explosives during attempts to destroy the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels, was unable to serve.

Kerik is in prison. Those arrested on 9/11, with weapons and explosives disappeared, all except five very famous videographers known as “the dancing Israelis.” That’s OK, they were released too.

The Boston “no-brainer”

Three days after the Boston bombing, the FBI has released one blurry photograph of a possible “suspect.”

The same photograph in crystal clear high definition was released on Facebook and published in Veterans Today days ago. Additionally, the photographs of other suspects, all very clear and identifiable, were published and have been seen by million. Yet the FBI is choosing to release only altered and blurry reproductions of only one suspect.

Why would they do this?

When Israel’s DEBKA Files said one of the suspects were “Middle Eastern,” they were correct it seems. One clearly-identifiable photograph of a suspect in a blue tracksuit does resemble someone who may be from the Middle East.

Maybe he isn’t Israeli, perhaps the FBI should publish his photograph and seek to question why he set off a bomb and who he is and where he is from.

Thus far, they have not seen this as a priority.

Of course, the FBI is trained and advised by Israeli companies. The FBI has a long history of recruiting and training terrorists to attack the United States and then arresting them “just in time.”

How many times has the FBI hired and trained terrorists and failed to arrest them “just in time?” We may never know.

Is this, perhaps, why the military and intelligence agencies suspect the FBI may have actually been involved in the planning and execution of a terror attack against the United States?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/20/299247/us-most-obvious-false-flag-attack-yet/

[ThePythonicCow]

That's not even the main, glaring inconsistency with the video though. See the right side of the photo? It's the same guy with the backpack and you can see the whitish square piece on the top of the backpack (it's either tape or it's some kind of fabric stitched on the handle). The image on the right was taken after the bomb went off.


Whether the alleged kid running away after the bombing still has his backpack on or not, I can't tell from your image. Perhaps his elbow is hiding the backpack. Though I can see where you have good reason to figure it's just his elbow.

I found a clearer version of that photo here (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/boston-marathon-suspect-photos-florida-man-david-green-snaps-photo-of-suspect-with-white-hat#):

http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/19/boston_20130419050704_640_480.JPG
I sure don't see any backpack there :).

It might be hiding behind his elbow, but I doubt it.

[jackovesk]

:attention: REMEMBER: The 911 Visual (Discrepancies)..?

How about 'Boston' then...:yes4:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4GLn4ZC-v8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgsr3sirSPM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqhfRY99OE&feature=player_embedded

(The :smokin: 'SMOKING-GUN) WHO did it..? & WHO did not do it..?

(WATCH IT - Before it gets taken down)..!

Apr 20, 2013


In this video i show you how the Media suspect that is still alive and captured , Left the event WITH HIS BACKPACK ! BUT ......Their Craft aka Blackwater Agent was caught running out of the scene ..WITHOUT HIS BACKPACK ....The one that matches the Bomb Backpack PERFECTLY !!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjocGidSLJw

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Bost...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.ne...

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=o53xq...

PS - Do we live in a real life (TRUMAN SHOW)..?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhN1STep_zk

PSS - I find it curious that will (All) the CCTV Vision from after the bombing that this photo (is) the only photo relating to 'the' backpack..?

http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/19/boston_20130419050704_640_480.JPG

[InCiDeR]

Israeli Press Says Patsy Brothers Were Double Agents!

wfj8dzMzaAI

[turiya]

Has the US Government Kept us Safe?
Or, Does the US Government Just Want us to Think That it Has Kept us Safe?


Israeli Press Says Patsy Brothers Were Double Agents! (http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap)


With all due respect to you & to Alex Jones, calling the 'patsy' brothers "Double Agents" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfj8dzMzaAI) is quite misleading. Alex Jones knows this himself that DEBKAfile is run by Mossad, of which is yet another 'dark corner' that Alex refuses to go into depth about. I would rather call these Chechen brothers the "Unfortunate Coerced Asset/Informant Victims of yet another FBI Sting Operation", as can be easily found available if one has a desire to look for.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwTpJ1EoV6A
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FBI's History of Handing "Terror Suspects" Live Explosives

The frightening trend of the FBI cultivating otherwise incapable "terror" suspects, providing them with and detonating real explosives, before giving them inert or controlled devices to carry out attacks on public targets where mass casualties are averted only at the last possible moment, sets the stage for at the very least, incredible potential for catastrophic blunders, and at worst, false flag attacks.
Source (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/04/fbis-history-of-handing-terror-suspects.html?utm_source=BP_recent)
~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~
Embarrassed by Yonas Fikre’s Disclosure of Proxy Torture, FBI Pursues Punitive Prosecution

Refusing to collude with the FBI and resisting enlistment into the agency’s army of informants and agent provocateurs is proving to carry hefty consequences. The most recent case of Yonas Fikre is the latest in a string of punitive prosecutions that demonstrate the US government’s eagerness to punish Muslims for their unwillingness to become the devils’ advocates.










http://aseerun.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/younas-fikre-black-jacket-street-copy.jpg


Yonas Fikre, an American Muslim now residing in Sweden, was tortured in the United Arab Emirates at the behest of the US government shortly after refusing to become an informant for the FBI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFftE-B22e0
Source (http://aseerun.org/tag/fbi-coercion/)
~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~
A Mother’s Words: Laila Yaghi Speaks About Her Son’s Case & Current Situation

Laila Yaghi, mother of Ziyad Yaghi, speaks about her son’s current situation after his conviction and sentence of thirty-two years. She describes the FBI harassment she and her son have experienced and continued to experience as he was pressured, threatened and coerced in the FBI’s attempts to recruit him as an informant and later to cause him to to testify against others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwjT47wZbzM

His refusal to comply, to lie, and become an informant earned him the ire of the FBI and Federal Prosecutors and so he now sits in solitary confinement with a thirty-two year sentence, when not a single shred of evidence was presented showing that any crime had been committed or attempted. What then was his crime except that he was steadfast against being used to harm and oppress others?
Source (http://aseerun.org/2012/04/30/a-mothers-words-laila-yaghi-speaks-about-her-sons-case-current-situation/)
~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~
Hide or Speak: What to Do When the FBI Comes Round…

In April 2012, MCLU attorney, Najmeh Vahid Dastjerdi, explained why you should not speak with the FBI without an attorney present and recommended ways to deal with such FBI requests. We hope you find this helpful and you become a member of this organization at www.MuslimCLU.org, so our efforts to educate the public and defend against religious persecution can continue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AohRqY7Poak

I’ve heard of cases where the FBI tries to coerce people and obtain information just in those few moments as the client refuses to speak. That is why I recommend that a recorder is carried and the agents advised about the recording. That way they won’t try to do that knowing they’re on tape.

I [also] think it is a great idea to carry the business card of your attorney and hand it over to the agents. However, you would also want to get the agent’s information for your records. It’s important to have an account of who (which agent and which agency) has approached you and when. It’s important to have a record.

If you are subpoenaed by the government to testify, you should only testify. This means that you should only talk and answer questions in front of the Grand Jury or Jury. Some people think they should talk to the agents or the government’s attorney because of the subpoena. When you testify in court, your words are transcribed, so you will not be accused of lying, if you tell the truth and they cannot start fishing i.e. ask you about other matters. Also, they will have to let you know if you are the target of an investigation before your testimony. In both cases, you MUST hire an attorney before testifying because you may turn into the government’s target in the process depending on the case.
Source (http://aseerun.org/2012/04/20/hide-or-speak-what-to-do-when-the-fbi-comes-round/)
~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~
A Letter from Laila Yaghi (2009)

http://aseerun.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/ziyad-co-in-egypt.jpg

My son is a now a victim of the FBI’s oppression.

About two years ago (2007) when Ziyad was only 19, he and his friend went overseas to his home country (Jordan) and from there, he and his friend also visited Egypt and had a wonderful time and then came back to the US. Soon after their trip overseas, the FBI was knocking on my door and asking me questions. When Ziyad and his friend came back, they were constantly harassed and watched by the FBI.

Before Ziyad and his friend went to Jordan they knew a specific person of interest to the FBI for a short while, then when they came back and had no contact with this person, the FBI continued to harass my son and his friend and they tried to pressure them to say something, even though Ziyad and his friend had nothing to say. Both boys insisted that they didn’t know anything personal about the person the FBI were conducting an investigation on and couldn’t understand what the FBI was looking for!

Two years later (2009), a simple fight broke between the boys and one of the friends of Ziyad The FBI made it sound so horrendous and tried to charge Ziyad and his friend with many things and threw them in jail. The FBI came once more to my door and asked me more questions and then one of them told me that he wants the boys in jail because he wants them to feel more pressured so that they will tell them something about the individual the FBI have been inquiring about earlier. Again that same name was mentioned and the boys stayed in jail almost four months and when the FBI found that there is nothing against these boys that could prove what they were looking for, my son and his friend were released.

After two months, when my son had cleaned the apartment for me and was about to cook, he went to the pool for a short swim, the FBI came with a swat team and arrested my son with new charges! The charges were so absurd! Ziyad and his friend were charged with conspiring to kill and maim people abroad! The FBI two days later came to my apartment to give me my son’s swimming shorts and told me that they think Ziyad knows something about the person they’ve been inquiring about from the beginning and that “Ziyad is not telling us and that he needs to cooperate with us!”

Interestingly, one of the FBI officers told me and some of Ziyad’s friends that he is trying to get promoted. So can you see how the FBI works? They take innocent people from their homes and throw them in jail for no wrong doing? Where is the justice here? Why would my son be taken away for no reason? I cannot explain the pain I’ve been feeling since July (of 2009) and I’ve been in deep depression crying all the time because of the injustice done to my son and many other Muslims in America.

We are a normal American family. This is outrageous! We are only being targeted because we are Muslims. We have done nothing wrong! Nothing wrong! Ziyad has a kind heart; he is someone that refuses to kill ants so how is he going to kill humans?
Source (http://aseerun.org/2011/12/27/a-letter-from-laila-yaghi-2009/)

Regards - turiya :cool:

[lizfrench]

Found this new video at truth frequency radio. Looks like the older brother was put in a police car perfectly fine then tortured and killed, the younger one was probably tortured along with him, kept alive and then dumped into the boat.
http://truthfrequencyradio.com/why-was-boston-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-walking-handcuffed-then-announced-dead-hours-later-2/

[Occam's Razor]

My apologies for not doing my own research, but has anyone come up with a reason as to why?

What is the end game? Where is the gain?

Any laws about to be passed? Anything our attention needs to be diverted from?

I'm slightly out of the loop on this since I don't watch the news.

[onawah]

From newsletter@forbiddenknowledgetv.com


Proof That "Craft" or Blackwater Agents Did the Boston Bombings
bjocGidSLJw
Published on Apr 20, 2013

In this video i show you how the Media suspect that is still alive and captured , Left the event WITH HIS BACKPACK ! BUT ......Their Craft aka Blackwater Agent was caught running out of the scene ..WITHOUT HIS BACKPACK ....The one that matches the Bomb Backpack PERFECTLY !!
This video shows photographic evidence
of how a certain "Craft" a.k.a. Blackwater
agent was caught on film prior to the Boston
explosions wearing a black backpack with a
distinctive white label, not seen on the
numerous other black backpacks that were
photographed at the scene - this same label
detail was found on the exploded backpack
which had contained an IED and matches
perfectly with the one this agent had been
wearing.

Furthermore, this same agent was photographed
by another camera running from the scene *without*
the backpack he'd been previously photographed
wearing.

Meanwhile, 19-year-old, Dzhokhar Tsaraev,
excoriated by the mainstream media as the surviving
mastermind of the Boston Bombings left the scene
of the massacre still wearing his backpack. His
family maintains that he and his brother were
framed for this bloody attack.

One blogger, whose name I'll withhold has
suggested that these weren't primitive molotov
cocktails but a test of micro neutron fusion bombs.
Otherwise, why would Israeli Police Chief Danino
be rushing to the US to advise the FBI and why
would several members of our "Craft" a.k.a.
Navy Seals 3 & 5 & Blackwater/Xe - (or whatever
they're calling themselves these days) agents
appearing to be testing for radiation at the
Finish Line?
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[turiya]

My apologies for not doing my own research, but has anyone come up with a reason as to why?
What is the end game? Where is the gain?
Any laws about to be passed? Anything our attention needs to be diverted from?
I'm slightly out of the loop on this since I don't watch the news.

"No Conspiracy here, move along." -- NWO Corporate-Military-Industrial-Complex-Politico-Bankster Elitist

turiya :cool:

P.S.

I'm slightly out of the loop on this since I don't watch the news.
You managed to wiggle free of the control mechanism... a good step in the right direction.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

So, is Dzhokhar Tsaraev dead yet?

We know he was shot in the neck and legs. Whatever happens to him from now on, will be crucial to define the nature of such event.

If he is innocent, which I believe, it´s very unlikely that he will remain alive.

Of course, only the fact that they shot him is already very suspicious. Why shoot an 19 years old boy in the first place, while there are several ways to incapacitate him without using lethal weapons?

Raf.

[lizfrench]

I am not sure either as to why this is becoming a huge media blitz and/or very large obvious cover-up so here is another piece to the puzzle I found today. This is not intended to be religious but what was done to the older brother and the picture of the body and then the crowd cheering is ironically and eerily similar the Christ death. The photo is pretty graphic, but here is the link, I posted it elswhere also, sorry for the multiple posts but this is a new piece to the puzzle.
http://truthfrequencyradio.com/why-was-boston-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-walking-handcuffed-then-announced-dead-hours-later-2/

[Sidney]

Does anyone know if the suspects werre on any psychotronic meds??

[Cidersomerset]

Who ever is behind the cowardly bombing in Boston, we must carry on.



Boston runners in the London Marathon grateful for support

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Published on 21 Apr 2013


Boston marathon runners Lindsay Majno and Jack Cumming tell Channel 4 News
Sports Correspondent Keme Nzerem that they are grateful foor the support being
given as they preapre to run the London Marathon.

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[turiya]

Hey folks,
So, is Dzhokhar Tsaraev dead yet?
We know he was shot in the neck and legs. Whatever happens to him from now on, will be crucial to define the nature of such event.
If he is innocent, which I believe, it´s very unlikely that he will remain alive.
Of course, only the fact that they shot him is already very suspicious. Why shoot an 19 years old boy in the first place, while there are several ways to incapacitate him without using lethal weapons?
Raf.

Maybe this will provide a clue...

Israeli Doctors Are Treating Boston Bombing Suspect: New Details on His Condition

As 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev "clings to life", Israeli media revealed that two of the senior doctors treating Tsarnaev have abundant past experience treating victims of terror. That's because they're from Israel.


Webmaster's Commentary: WTF?!?
Source (http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/234228)

turiya :cool:

[Cidersomerset]

I am not sure either as to why this is becoming a huge media blitz and/or very large obvious cover-up so here is another piece to the puzzle I found today. This is not intended to be religious but what was done to the older brother and the picture of the body and then the crowd cheering is ironically and eerily similar the Christ death. The photo is pretty graphic, but here is the link, I posted it elswhere also, sorry for the multiple posts but this is a new piece to the puzzle.
http://truthfrequencyradio.com/why-w...hours-later-2/


Interresting can anyone tell if there is anything on here that may suggest
this is Boston PD.

This matches the police scanner feed that indicated that the suspect had been
found and was being stripped because he had explosives strapped to him. If the
video above is truly Tamerlan, the explanation for how he somehow got from what
he looked like then to this:

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Published on 20 Apr 2013


This UNCONFIRMED video which we are told appeared on Brazilian TV earlier today
appears to have been shot at the scene of the Boston Police Dept's arrest of
suspect bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev - the video clearly shows the 26 year old being
escorted to BPD vehicle whilst handcuffed and not wounded, which in total
contradiction to official reports which claim the suspect was shot by police and then
run-over by his younger brother in a stolen SUV in Sommerville, MA. Please
bookmark and share this video, and do continue to ask questions about what
happened on the evening April 18th and the morning of April 19th, 2013, so the
public can better determine the truth of all that really happened.

[Hervé]

Does that video show the older brother or is it the arrest of the younger one which also happened at night:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-arrest-photo1.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

Does that video show the older brother or is it the arrest of the younger one which also happened at night:

The Brazilian vid ? If its genuine which ever one it is he does not look injured.

[lizfrench]

Does that video show the older brother or is it the arrest of the younger one which also happened at night:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-arrest-photo1.jpg

The link to truth frequency radio shows the body of the older brother; the video is of him being arrested alive and naked, under the video is his dead body, obviously he was brutally tortured and murdered.

[RMorgan]

Does that video show the older brother or is it the arrest of the younger one which also happened at night:

The Brazilian vid ? If its genuine which ever one it is he does not look injured.

Yes, It really looks like the older brother, who´s now allegedly dead.

It shows that he was not injured when he was captured.

Whatever they did to him, they did it after his capture.

Raf.

[Cidersomerset]

These stories have a 'patsy' feel about them although they do not spell it out.
They are interesting though.



Did FBI call Boston bombing suspect before fatal shootout?

http://i1.ytimg.com/i/TrQ7HXWRRxr7OsOtodr2_w/1.jpg?v=a2bac9
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Published on 21 Apr 2013


The father of the two suspects in the Boston marathon bombing has told
Channel 4 News the FBI contacted his son by telephone days before he
was tracked down and killed.

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Published on 21 Apr 2013


Police now have to answer whether the brothers were linked to an extremist group,
headed by Russia's most-wanted man - the Chechen Islamist militant Doku
Umarov. The suspects' family claims they had been under FBI surveillance for the
past 5 years, and refuse to believe the young men carried out the atrocity. RT
travelled to the North Caucasus, where the brothers' parents now live, to learn
more about their background.

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Published on 21 Apr 2013


Investigators into the Boston Marathon bombings are trying to figure out what
triggered two young suspects into carrying out the worst US terror attack since 9/11
. The Tsarnaev brothers, who'd spent around half their lives living in the US, are
believed to have carried out Monday's twin explosions which killed 3 and wounded
more than a hundred. The suspects' family claims they had been under FBI
surveillance for the past 5 years, and refuses to believe the young men carried out
the atrocity. Former FBI agent Coleen Rowley joins RT studio.

[Dennis Leahy]

When this first happened, I sent a copy of the photo of the double-amputee in the wheelchair to a friend. I pointed out that:


there was no blood beneath the wheelchair
there was no trail of blood behind the wheelchair
the guy is conscious

All my spidey-senses were tingling. My gut reaction to this one very telling image was that this was fake. I said, privately, this seems fake... but did not want to be part of a knee-jerk crowd that calls "HOAX!" at every traumatic event, so did not say it publicly.

I know that the psychopaths in charge have no compunction about killing and maiming people. I know it would be MUCH more difficult to effectively stage a Sandy Hook, or an Aurora, or a Tucson, or a Boston that it would be to kill and maim some of us "useless eaters." Actors could talk. One actor who sings like a canary would destroy the whole thing. Medical crews would also be involved, or if they were also fake, then the real medical community in those localities would know that victims were not really brought into their medical facilities, or were not really injured. So much easier to create real mayhem than to stage it. So, my brain kept switching back to "this must have been real; too difficult to fake."

This has torn at me.

My own cognitive dissonance can be exposed to me - by me - and still not clarify the situation.

I have not been around a lot of trauma, but as a teenager, I was present at a gun accident, and I do know what a small arterial spurt (.22 caliber) looks like, (pulsing squirts of blood) and how much blood quickly leaves a human body. I rode to the hospital in the back of a station wagon with my finger plugging the bullet hole (direct pressure) in my friend. I was told later that he would have died from blood loss if I had not stopped the bleeding, as the bullet had indeed nicked an artery. That was a hole the size of a pencil. Imagine how long someone would live if they really got both of their legs blown off by a bomb. With one of the largest arteries in the human body, the femoral artery - in EACH leg - a real victim in a bomb blast severing both femoral arteries would be unconscious from blood loss in seconds, and dead within a minute or two. Anyone assisting a victim with a severed, spurting femoral artery would be bathed in blood. An absolutely instantaneous response from two highly-trained, steely-nerved, EMTs that had tourniquets in hand and applied the tourniquets to each severed leg, along with a stick or similar to twist the tourniquets so tightly they completely stopped the blood flow would almost certainly STILL end up with a dead patient (who would never have regained consciousness.) Not only saving the patient, but having him sitting upright, conscious, in a wheelchair (that itself was not pooled in blood, and was not dripping any blood) is so far beyond reality that I have to slap myself in the face with a dead fish for waffling back and forth in my judgment. This is fake. Several friends who have medical trauma training or experience at accident scenes - these are people with a lot more experience than me - say, "fake."

http://www.LeahyGuitars.com/Imagez/Two/BostonNotOneDropSpilled.jpg
(Not One Drop Spilled. Fully Conscious.)

http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/ConsciousMinusTwoLegs.png
(Fully Conscious. Good skin color, lower lip is pink (normal amount of blood in his body. "Patient" not in shock.)

http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/CowboyHatGuyDoubleAmputeeGuy.jpg
(The blown-up image of the "patient's" face was taken from this image) Note the wheelchair pushing woman's red hat. Look at image Amer Zo posted (post 383 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664319&viewfull=1#post664319)) with all the cops not helping victims but rather keeping bystanders out of the area, all "civilians" that are "attending" to the wounded (and blocking cameras from seeing anything.) I count 5 red hats among the civilians. Just something to follow-up on. Note that cowboy hat guy, who has just - supposedly - applied a tourniquet or possibly two, to double-severed-femoral-artery-blood-squirting-guy, has not one drop of blood on his shirt. Not one drop.

Dennis

p.s. To mods: I'd like to request this thread be made "sticky", as this is the largest false flag (other than Sandy Hook) since 9/11, and needs to remain on top.

[Referee]

Glan Beck's Info uncovered by infowars................

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[Cidersomerset]

Well they definitely exist Dennis....I never really thought about it.
I knew they do reconstructions but as shown on 9/11 anything
is possible to deceive the public. Good 'Spidey' sences ..LOL...


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Published on 5 Dec 2012


Brooke Baldwin talks to CNN's Poppy Harlow about amputees training soldiers for
combat situations.


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Actually I did post a link on one of the other threads that David Icke posted
this morning ....

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/boston-fake.html

[RunningDeer]

Glenn Beck's Big Story On Obama And The Bombing Released!
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG
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Published on Apr 21, 2013

This above video report lays out the info that beck is set to cover on Monday. No matter how you look at it, the White House is covering something up. Saudi news is reporting that Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harbi has six 'Terrorist' in his family. But the Saudi story is only a distraction if you don't look at all the other players.


Glen Beck is he sitting on info? Warns the Government they have until Monday or Blaze will expose the Government.


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[Cidersomerset]

REMEMBER: The 911 Visual (Discrepancies)..?

How about 'Boston' then...Some good stuff on post #414 about deception
posted by jack

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664393&viewfull=1#post664393

[Referee]

I agree with Matt Larson on his comments despite all the misdirection of who did it what worries me the most is the willingness of Bostonians to allow Martial Law.

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[Cidersomerset]

This is the official story, that looks odd when he climbs out of the boat he did
not look as injured as they are making out and if he recovers he will face
the death penalty. It just seems so surreal especially when hundreds died
in a Chinese earth quake today. Mainstream are not going to ask the critical
questions about false flags etc.....

New details emerge over Boston bombing manhunt

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Published on 21 Apr 2013


Images and details reveal about the manhunt for the Boston
bombing suspects. Channel 4 News speaks to witnesses whose
homes were peppered with bullets, and shows new images.

Read more: Did the FBI telephone Boston bombing suspect
before fatal shootout? - http://www.channel4.com/news/boston-b...

[Referee]

Montagraph finds video of the older suspect put into police car before he was allegedly run over by his brother....and more....I will post Montagraph followed by the video of the suspect put into police car!

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[turiya]

Dennis Leahy wrote:

When this first happened, I sent a copy of the photo of the double-amputee in the wheelchair to a friend. I pointed out that:

there was no blood beneath the wheelchair
there was no trail of blood behind the wheelchair
the guy is conscious

All my spidey-senses were tingling. My gut reaction to this one very telling image was that this was fake. I said, privately, this seems fake... but did not want to be part of a knee-jerk crowd that calls "HOAX!" at every traumatic event, so did not say it publicly.

I know that the psychopaths in charge have no compunction about killing and maiming people. I know it would be MUCH more difficult to effectively stage a Sandy Hook, or an Aurora, or a Tucson, or a Boston that it would be to kill and maim some of us "useless eaters." Actors could talk. One actor who sings like a canary would destroy the whole thing. Medical crews would also be involved, or if they were also fake, then the real medical community in those localities would know that victims were not really brought into their medical facilities, or were not really injured. So much easier to create real mayhem than to stage it. So, my brain kept switching back to "this must have been real; too difficult to fake."

This has torn at me.

Hey Dennis, here's some backup to your spidey-senses...
This is from the website: FromTheTrenchesWorldReport.com (http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/41807) with explanation by a medical expert.

Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?
Posted on April 20, 2013 by Steve Apple

I’ve studied and graduated EMT-B certification with the state of Oregon. I’ve been on calls with heavy arterial bleeds, internal bleeding, fatalities, doa’s. I am speaking from direct personal experience with severe trauma.

Here is a telling photograph of the amputee actor. I encourage readers to view the photo side by side with my analysis.

http://www.kaotic.com/media/pictures/f8b4e8bc6ce4b653ecac5442b556ee65.jpg


If you lose both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, you’re dead after two. Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular tissue. The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in it. You would also see whats called arterial spurting from the injury. Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then turning delirious or passing out. As for the “tourniquet”…

Its not even tied off, its suspended via gravity, which would literally do nothing to an arterial sever. There’s no pressure applied. There’s no knot with a turn stick for leverage. You can clearly see a gap in the nonexistent wrap job on his left inner thigh (left anterior proximal for you experts) His hands have no blood on them. There’s no blood on the ground. The color in his hands and lips shows good circulation.

This is an actor. This is staged. How did they pull it off though? I can show you.

Here in frame six on the left we see the the man with a hood setting up the fake leg wound prosthetics. His attention and hands are right there. The woman is acting as a shield covering what’s happening.
Frame 6

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/c8qhmkp.jpg?w=750


Here in frame eight the prosthetics are in place. Amidst all this chaos seconds after the explosion the hooded man takes the time to put on his sunglasses which is a signal.
Frame 8

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/iljgbwo.jpg?w=750


Here in frame nine with sunglasses now on the hooded man and the woman make eye contact, signal received.
Frame 9

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/l5efd4d.jpg?w=750


In frame eleven after receiving the go signal the woman makes an open hand gesture the direction both of them are looking, signaling the staged injuries are in place for cameras. The prone amputee raises his left prosthetic injury into the air over the woman’s shoulder. No blood is present. The bone is dry, no blood on his leg above the knee, no blood on the woman, no arterial spurt, nothing.
Frame 11

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/7fjvqaw.jpg?w=750


Here in frame fourteen the woman turns her head right but is still holding up that open palm signal with her left hand. The hooded man again busies himself pouring fake blood on the pavement behind the woman. The amputee has both fake injuries in the air now. There is still no blood on his legs, his skin above the injury is clean and dry.
Frame 14

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/5wew6mm.jpg?w=750


Frame twenty, the fake blood and prosthetics are in place. The amputee gives an open hand gesture along with the woman to bring the cameras in. We’re now twenty frames in and still not a drop of fresh blood from a double leg amputation. His legs are dry, the woman is dry and unscathed. Both are making the same hand gesture.
Frame 20

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/s1i5jpe.jpg?w=750


These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone.


ATS

Something about this entire thing smells to high heaven. When have you ever heard of someone with a blown off leg not bleeding? Some make the claim that it was cauterized, but obviously, the picture of them wheeling the guy out on the wheelchair shows ‘blood and gore’ (a cauterization is a burn that seals the wound). Something changed between these images and when they wheeled him out in front of the cameras.

And there is more analysis from Fist-Of-Freedom (posted on next page):
Source (http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/41807)

turiya - (Had split this in two posts because of the number of pictures)

[turiya]

Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK? (Part 2 - Part 1 on previous page)
Posted on April 20, 2013 by Steve Apple

And there is more analysis from Fist-Of-Freedom:


This image was taken by a third party photographer seconds after the first explosion. There is clear evidence of false flag staging here. The man in the red coat and baseball hat on the right is kneeling down giving directions to the guy in the white T-shirt. Also looking to this pair for direction are the woman sitting to the right and the man in a hood and sunglasses who set up the double amputee prosthetics.

Notice the relaxed posture and face of the hooded man. Notice also the calm prepared posture of the woman sitting down on the bottom right. See how her shirt sleeve is severely torn, yet her skin underneath is clean and clear of injury and blood. From where she’s sitting look right to the bottom right corner and you can see an unmarked bottle of fake blood.

Look to the left and see the cowboy hat man standing there doing nothing. This is the same man who will pretend to hold the tourniquet of the fake amputee actor later on. Look to center of the photo and you will see the african woman moving herself away from the amputee actor since her shielding him from camera’s job is over. Next to her is a woman with red hair leaning on her elbow.

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/missing-legman.jpg?w=750&h=384


Compare this now with another photo taken seconds later. Putting them side by side is very helpful.

The man with the hood and sunglasses, who was just sitting up looking fine and healthy after fixing up the amputee actor’s prosthetics, is now on his back being evaluated by two people. Notice the rips in his jeans have no sign of blood or injury on the skin. The woman with red hair however is in the exact same pose as a minute ago. Meanwhile the double amputee actor is completely ignored by everyone when he is clearly in the most dire need of attention. There is a small amount of fake blood around him where the african lady shielding him used to be, she has disappeared What happened to her? Compare this photo with the first in my post.

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/leg1.jpg?w=750&h=562


The african woman who was sitting up, shielding the hooded man and amputee actor’s prosthetic rigging, giving hand signals, looking left and right, having no visible blood or injuries, is now covered in blood and strapped into a spine board stretcher.

In a real medical scenario the amputee would receive immediate treatment or die from bleed out. The fact this actor woman is removed from the scene via stretcher while the double amputee is left on the ground is ludicrous. He would be dead from blood loss before they could even begin spinal assessment procedures involved in moving a patient to a stretched. Not to mention his blood loss would be over five liters, enough to cover the entire scene around these people in a thick puddle.


http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/2d1c4b60d453d6c2b6de52e90a76264c.jpg?w=750


From firsthand experience with trauma in the field of EMS work, this is not real.
These are actors. This is all staged.
Source (http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/41807)

turiya :cool:

[lizfrench]

Montagraph finds video of the older suspect put into police car before he was allegedly run over by his brother....and more....I will post Montagraph followed by the video of the suspect put into police car!

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okay follow this link and you will see what they did to him after taking him away... look below the video, look at his body, he was clearly tortured and murdered.
http://truthfrequencyradio.com/why-was-boston-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-walking-handcuffed-then-announced-dead-hours-later-2/

[Cidersomerset]

Montagraph finds video of the older suspect put into police car before he was allegedly run over by his brother....and more....I will post Montagraph followed by the video of the suspect put into police car!



Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCcp5_hj2uU




Good find Kevin it corroborates the vid from Brazil, infact it validates it imo cheers.. steve

[ThePythonicCow]

From firsthand experience with trauma in the field of EMS work, this is not real.
These are actors. This is all staged.


Very persuasive analysis - thanks!

[Referee]

From firsthand experience with trauma in the field of EMS work, this is not real.
These are actors. This is all staged.


Very persuasive analysis - thanks!

It looks strange If a bomb just went off next to me I don't think I would be casually sitting there on my elbow and forearm. Or just sitting there hanging out bizarre!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It is a persuasive argument, but it's difficult to swallow because it comes across as quite a risky operation to pull off without 'being rumbled'. If it was a sleight of hand trick, then wow, what a gamble, what a chance they were taking. There's a reason why magicians don't perform before an array of cameras shooting from every angle...

Here in Boston, at this public sporting event, in front of the media and who knows how many camera phones etc, how could they possibly guarantee that this magicians sleight wouldn't be spotted? How could they guarantee that no genuine doctors would ever examine these 'fake' wounds and prosthetics, or that the fake victims would not be identified or tracked down? How could they guarantee that just members of the public standing by wouldn't witness all the presumably elaborate preparations and subsequent performance and blow the whistle? How could they guarantee that some suspicious bystander wouldn't take a sample of that 'blood', and have it tested to verify if it was blood or not?

I'm not saying this wasn't staged or wasn't a false flag, but there are many factors and variables at work here. They sure were relying on a lot of luck if they hoped to get away with it.

[Referee]

Eye witness days before bombing...

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[Dennis Leahy]

Candidate for Nevada’s Next Governor David Lory VanDerBeek speaks out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRuGpqk7jFU

Dennis

[Abhaya]

Nevada Governor speaks out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRuGpqk7jFU

Dennis

Who Is this guy? Doesn't look like the gov of Nevada
http://http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/10/27/1319727201787/Brian-Sandoval-Nevada-gov-007.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=672&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=dYN0UZWUHMvL0gGm0oGoCA&q=who+is+governor+of+nevada&oq=who+is+governor+of+ne&gs_l=img.1.1.0i24l6.53838.70025.0.72930.35.24.1.9. 9.7.388.3272.1j19j1j1.22.0...0.0...1c.1.9.img.3O78 Plf84kY

[ThePythonicCow]

It is a persuasive argument, but it's difficult to swallow because it comes across as quite a risky operation to pull off without 'being rumbled'. If it was a sleight of hand trick, then wow, what a gamble, what a chance they were taking. There's a reason why magicians don't perform before an array of cameras shooting from every angle...

Here in Boston, at this public sporting event, in front of the media and who knows how many camera phones etc, how could they possibly guarantee that this magicians sleight wouldn't be spotted?
They cannot guarantee that.

That's part of the operation! They are not trying to pull off the perfect caper, unnoticed by anyone to be other than what they claim it to be. This is not like some master gang of bank robbers, intending to dig into the vaults over the weekend, disable the alarms, and steal off with the gold or money, not even to be noticed until the bank manager discovers the looted vault Monday morning.

These bastards intend for various confusing and conflicting reports to appear, mixing bits and pieces of the truth in with various lies. They want to strike fear, uncertainty, doubt, and conflict in us, and turn us one against the other. Most of my relatives have long since written me off as a lunatic conspiracy nut job, and I've written most of them off as clueless mind-numbed robots (exaggerating a bit, but not entirely.) They want to strike fear in our hearts, as those of us who see some of what is happening realize that even half-arsed botched false flag operations can be so successful, again and again and again, century after century. They want us to realize we are impotent fools, unable to do a damn thing about it, no matter how closely we attempt to investigate and how much condemning evidence we uncover.

They are psychopathic bullies working for public effect, not ultra-secret highly disciplined bank robbers working in stealth.

The resulting controversy, confusion and conflict amongst the rest of us is one of the intended results of such operations.

Once again, the few who have a clue are divided from the sheeple.

[ThePythonicCow]

Who Is this guy? Doesn't look like the gov of Nevada
He's not Nevada's current governor.

He is David Lory VanDerBeek, a candidate for Nevada’s Next Governor in 2014.

(I just modified Dennis's post, to clarify this.)

[Jeffrey]

Abhaya, Cidersomerset, Dennis Leahy, gripreaper, iceni tribe, Marin, Paul, Referee, seko, thunder24.

I have a question for you all since you've thanked the article by Steve Apple.

One question. It's a fair one for you to consider.

Please, watch these videos.

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In both videos, you can clearly see a large explosion in the midst of a crowd of people.

Now, my question. Why would there need to be any actors? There would be plenty of real casualties. There were plenty of real casualties. It wouldn't make any sense to go to the trouble of hiring actors with fake injuries when there would already be so many real injuries (people died too).

You've seen the bomb detonate now in a crowd of people. Now, revisit that man's story. He claims he's a medical expert. Look at all of the medical experts that were actually on the scene. Like Dr. Allan Panter for instance (referenced in the article below and in many videos I've watched of the explosion), or all the EMT personnel.

There's testimony of employees at the hospital's that the victims were at. Those hospitals employ real doctors and surgeons. Real nurses, real staff. Are they all in on it too?

Here's one:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/us/physical-legacy-of-bomb-blasts-could-be-cruel-for-boston-marathon-victims.html?pagewanted=all

There are plenty of others. Just think about it. Here's a video of Carlos, the gentleman who helps Jeff Bauman (the man who lost two of his legs in the explosion).

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Please, watch the first videos and consider my question. Then, reconsider Steve Apple's sanity.

Thanks,

Vivek

[SilentFeathers]

I've been trying to wrap my head around the need for actors on this one too....

[thunder24]

Tell me how many of the casualties or injured were from the first blast and how many were from the second.

I think there was alot of compartmentalization going on.... I think confusion is "their" ally right now.

The actors were for public consumption.... forgive me who ever forgives people...but that dude with the legs blown off to me, should not b alive in that wheel chair, and sure as hell shouldn't b coherent and looking like he was. I have looked and Wellaware1's work in the past year, and to me, it is way more plausible now in my logic to have actors at these events. As far as wellaware1's work I don't agree with all of it just as a caveat.

To me and my poor logic and eye sight, after looking at the video's and pictures... no way was all of it staged, as in the injured and the sheer fear in people, but no way did a greater handful of the "authorities" not know what was going on.

Interviews...I don't know those people...I can only give an opinion on whether they are actors or not, but it doesn't really matter. The fact of the matter is, as I posted when it happened, is that "they", whoever "they" are, will use it for "their" agenda. However there are many agenda's driving this imo.

So tell me, where is all the footage from the second blast? And how the hell is Carlos not hurt, in the pictures, and the video u posted, he is right there by the victims on the ground hat in hand...point being he was close wasn't he? i dont' know, just a thought. After watching again, it was about two mintues before i see him.

who funds those hospitals? Next we need interviews from the victims, that will help too with the actors question.

[ThePythonicCow]

The actors were for public consumption.... forgive me who ever forgives people...but that dude with the legs blown off to me, should not b alive in that wheel chair, and sure as hell shouldn't b coherent and looking like he was. I have looked and Wellaware1's work in the past year, and to me, it is way more plausible now in my logic to have actors at these events. As far as wellaware1's work I don't agree with all of it just as a caveat.

To me and my poor logic and eye sight, after looking at the video's and pictures... no way was all of it staged, as in the injured and the sheer fear in people, but no way did a greater handful of the "authorities" not know what was going on.
"The actors for public consumption" ... yes. They need to ensure that some gut wrenching visuals are quickly available for broadcast TV.

My hunch (wild guess) is that wellaware1's work is a mix of intentional disinformation (such as his calling out Inelia Benz as being some other lady) and actual information, done in that way so as to discredit the actual information.

I agree it was not all staged. My hunch is that the explosion was relatively weak, with more smoke than blast or shrapnel, intended to minimize the actual casualties of innocent victims (a few, but not many), plus some acted casualties for immediate broadcast video. The relatives of actual innocent casualties have proven themselves to be a stubborn lot, and so it's best to have a rather limited number of those. The bastards that run these operations want lots of confusion in our minds (we, the sheeple), but they don't like uncertainty in their own work.

[Selene]

Vivek, I think the simple answer is that the added actors here were in place to guarantee spectacular photo ops. It's all about media. The "mere injured" could be cared for - or be 'bonus'. But photo-op insurance was part of the Plan. Hey, it makes sense to me. Think beyond.... to the next six moves in this chess game. You can, I know.

Cheers, many thanks and great respect for your intelligence and toughness, keep going,

Selene

[Hervé]

[...]

but that dude with the legs blown off to me, should not b alive in that wheel chair, and sure as hell shouldn't b coherent and looking like he was.

[...]

Yet some people even come back from the "dead."

It isn't so much that he is alive, since:


i remember one time working the box out in the county , this guy got both legs ran over by a train and funny thing is there was no blood just major crushing so i have seen weird thing’s emt-b career FD…..texas
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When you cut an artery cleanly then it bleeds out. When arteries are torn the muscles around the artery contracts and the muscles put enough pressure on the arteries to stop them from bleeding out. Although in a while the muscles relax and the artery is free to bleed out. Think of it like an Umbilical cord, We cut them so we need to stop the bleeding, animals on the other hand chew them and that stops them from bleeding out. I hope that helps you understand.
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... but that he wasn't carted out as a priority. Unless, with blood circulation in his legs being shut down from the physiological shock, priority was given to the continuous bleeders?


http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/ht_bradley_cooper_boston_nt_130419_wblog.jpg?w=750
Jeff Bauman in hospital

[Referee]

I agree there is probably a mix of real and staged victims. They probably learned from sandy hook they need more pictures some real some not...Like Silent Feathers I too am trying to wrap my head around this there is a lot of info to consider, Vivek my advise is to open up your mind a bit more.....This one IMO may be bigger then 911 it may take weeks to figure this out.

Max Igan said just like Sandy Hook be careful they will try to make alterative media look bad. To me the blood looks too thick and too bright red. Where are the footprints dragging it around? Putting someone with blown off legs in a wheelchair would make them bleed faster would it not? where are the splatter marks?


You watch they will combine CISPA into some anti terrorism bombing security legislation

[thunder24]

should any of those victims have blood coming out of their noses or ears in the pictures, at the top of this page?

[Selene]

Just a thought on the supposed "odd redness" of the blood: could this be an artifact of modern auto-corrected digital photography? Movie/theatrical blood is now pretty accurate, color wise.

But modern cameras have photoshop fixes built-in that automatically color correct photos(warm the film temperature), smooth skin, amplify contrast, amplify color curves, vibrance etc etc etc. Add to that that most websites automatically "improve" again the color in photos, copy these a few times onto other servers - and who knows what the original color of the photo was? It has all been automatically "optimized." Just saying that I wouldn't take the supposed perfect red color of the blood shown here to be indicative of anything much.

And yes, these photos are gory. One way or another.

Regards,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

Now, my question. Why would there need to be any actors? There would be plenty of real casualties. There were plenty of real casualties. It wouldn't make any sense to go to the trouble of hiring actors with fake injuries when there would already be so many real injuries (people died too).

You've seen the bomb detonate now in a crowd of people. Now, revisit that man's story. He claims he's a medical expert. Look at all of the medical experts that were actually on the scene. Like Dr. Allan Panter for instance (referenced in the article below and in many videos I've watched of the explosion), or all the EMS personnel.

There's testimony of employees at the hospital's that the victims were at. Those hospitals employ real doctors and surgeons. Real nurses, real staff. Are they all in on it too?


Please, watch the first videos and consider my question. Then, reconsider Steve Apple's sanity.

Thanks,

Vivek
Yes - there was two explosions in crowds of people near the finish line of the Boston marathon. I've no doubt of that.

The explosions seem to me to be relatively low velocity explosions, capable of injuring many and killing a few, producing more smoke than blast, not high grade military explosives. Only three are claimed dead.

If I recall correctly, Dr. Allan Panter is the one who ran the race and finished just before the blasts, and whose wife was lucky enough to have left the scene of one of the blasts just in time, as her husband had finished running. I have not seen enough of his interviews to form a clear opinion, but I've little doubt that he could have helped triage the injured.

As I stated above, the actors were, in my view, there to insure some quality and horrific video footage for the TV news broadcasts that evening.

There was an event ... there were injuries and deaths ... but the magnitude of the event and much of the story line surrounding the event is a pack of lies, in my view.

What was a smaller event has been magnified in the public view to a larger event, deliberately and with malice aforethought, in order to drive an ongoing agenda of tyranny and fear.

I can appreciate, Vivek, that you are convinced that this event is not some grand conspiratorial plot, but rather closer to what is portrayed in the news.

However let's please stick to the topic, without casting dispersions on those who find evidence of larger conspiracies here. Those who disagree with you are not necessarily insane, or making weak, illogical, and poorly thought-out speculation without evidence.

It is vital that we realize that we are not the enemy, that we don't fall into infighting amongst ourselves. Give the benefit of the doubt to the rest of us, at least until we clearly demonstrate that we have not earned such.

[Abhaya]

It would seem a possibility to me that like Paul said the bomb was real enough. But actors may have been present none the less. The fact that this Jeff became so prominent in the media and made the dramatic return to consciousness to immediately identify the suspect, which was front page of the msm drama of course, would seem to fit that bill for me. He would be the only guy supposedly that saw the guy put the bomb down with their own eyes.

All that coupled with the seeming impossibility of his injury...... If I were to wager then I'd say he was planted in the midst of the chaos so he could further incriminate their patsy later, which he did.

[ThePythonicCow]

The fact that this Jeff became so prominent in the media and made the dramatic return to consciousness to immediately identify the suspect, which was front page of the msm drama of course, would seem to fit that bill for me. He would be the only guy supposedly that saw the guy put the bomb down with their own eyes.
Ah - yes - excellent point. Thanks.

[thunder24]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tsarnaev-condition-hospital-fbi-153246539.html

awake responding in writing

[Hervé]

Beside photographic coloring artifacts, more comments to that same article from an experienced dude:


Wow well two of you must have sucked as EMT’s, your femoral artery stops above the knee, which means he wasn’t bleeding from an arterial rupture you idiots. You’ve never seen oxygenated blood that color? Have you never seen a serious case of bleeding before? You morons need to shut up before you embarrass real first responders and medical professionals everywhere.

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[Hip Hipnotist]

WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!!
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

------------------

It does seem seem a bit odd that someone with his legs blown off would not bleed out on the spot much less seem relatively calm.

However, it DOES HAPPEN. I've seen it myself, more than once, in more than one accident.

The following E X T R E M E L Y G R A P H I C!! video is such an example. This Vietnam police officer was literally cut in half by a truck. Did he bleed out?

Hardly.

In fact there isn't as much blood as you'd think there'd be from a body that was sliced in half by a truck.

Nor does the victim seem to be in pain. In fact he's talking to the photographer while playing with his body parts.

I would never ( well, maybe never ) link to such a graphic example but it would seem in this situation it is ( perhaps ) relevant to what's been discussed/argued/debated.

A person can literally be cut in half, not just legs blown off, and not bleed out -- and seem to be relatively nonchalant about it.

Just for the record IMO this Boston incident stinks to high heaven -- perhaps even higher. Whether there are/were actors involved makes no difference to me. The deed is done. There will be many to follow. Some bigger. Some smaller. Some perhaps even legit and not false flags. ( Okay, humor me here )

For those of you that still desire to proceed to the video here's the link...

But first another warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

I lied, that was five more warnings so please don't complain.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=832_1250780068

[Cidersomerset]

No probs Vivek if you think it was the result of the explosions fine and it may turn out that way.
The vid of the first blast was inconclusive to me, there was an explosion panic and the casualties left
on the pavement. So from that we could not make any conclusive conjecture either way. If you think
it was a straight forward pressure cooker bomb then thats where you are. The speculation of actors
comes from the fact they have them as the CCN vid shows and false flags have always been used.
Whether this is one or not is obviously what we are discussing, the vid of what looks like the older
brother in one vid and the younger brother stepping out of the boat looking alive, only to be told
one is dead and the other is critical with a throat wound, heightens the speculation.

The article said there were three dead and over 170 injured, the majority must have been from
the second explosion as the first shows about a dozen on the floor. Many may of had light wounds
and run out of shot, but the scope for using actors for photo ops is also part of the propaganda
effect. The problem I suppose is we do not trust the official view on many of these events
with good reason as the FBI have set up a few of them. Anyway its 4am over here and I should
have been in bed hours ago , so this post may not read as coherent as it was in my head ..LOL..
Good job I have not got work tomorrow, I may edit this in the morning goodnight ..LOL


Boston Heroes .....Great PR

yBC_eumlVts

[Abhaya]

WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!!
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

------------------

It does seem seem a bit odd that someone with his legs blown off would not bleed out on the spot much less seem relatively calm.

However, it DOES HAPPEN. I've seen it myself, more than once, in more than one accident.

The following E X T R E M E L Y G R A P H I C!! video is such an example. This Vietnam police officer was literally cut in half by a truck. Did he bleed out?

Hardly.

In fact there isn't as much blood as you'd think there'd be from a body that was sliced in half by a truck.

Nor does the victim seem to be in pain. In fact he's talking to the photographer while playing with his body parts.

I would never ( well, maybe never ) link to such a graphic example but it would seem in this situation it is ( perhaps ) relevant to what's been discussed/argued/debated.

A person can literally be cut in half, not just legs blown off, and not bleed out -- and seem to be relatively nonchalant about it.

Just for the record IMO this Boston incident stinks to high heaven -- perhaps even higher. Whether there are/were actors involved makes no difference to me. The deed is done. There will be many to follow. Some bigger. Some smaller. Some perhaps even legit and not false flags. ( Okay, humor me here )

For those of you that still desire to proceed to the video here's the link...

But first another warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

I lied, that was five more warnings so please don't complain.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=832_1250780068


Well that's compelling evidence.... Well while it still very well could be that jeff is an actor... I have to say that I now don't see his injuries as being as impossible as I was thinking they were earlier.

[angel in disguise]

Not sure if this has been posted, but it certainly is interesting...


v0-C6Z0YEGM

[Dennis Leahy]

There had to have been at least 200 to 300 people on that sidewalk/veranda area, at a major sporting event, near the finish line. I would guess there had to be some cellphone cameras and camcorders recording from within the group. I would be surprised if there were less than 1 out of 10 people recording. That would be 20 to 30. (I know there would be at least that at the finish line of the marathon they run in my little town.) Let's drop that number in half. Now, drop it in half again. I would expect at least 5 to 7 people would have captured something from within the "blast area." Are there any?

The blown-out window was, well... blown OUT, not in. It appears to have been blasted out from the inside. The shards of (probably tempered glass, which is designed to break into small pieces) glass did not go far from the window. Wouldn't that indicate the explosion was indoors, and not very strong?

There is a brief but bright orange flash, then the smoke goes up, not out. The flash looks hot, and anyone close enough (whether bomb or pyrotechnic flash grenade) would be burned. My heart goes out to anyone that was close to the epicenter - as I assume they were badly burned. Come to think of it, they would have no hair either. Were there any reports of anyone really badly burned, or that had their hair burned off? If no, then I wonder about a flash grenade, maybe behind the glass.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=046MuD1pYJg

I saw two or three objects get lifted by the explosion (slow down the film to frame-by frame 0:07 to 0:09 and watch full screen) - they look like shoes. I don't know how much blast force went horizontally, but this shows at least some of the blast force trajectory was upwards. It could be shoes in a backpack on top of an explosive or pyrotechnic device, but (I would say) it could not have blasted someone's shoes off that they were wearing, because they would move laterally, not vertically.

It actually appears to me that most of the force went upwards, not outwards. Sickeningly, that could be because the lateral blast force got absorbed into legs, or (hopefully) because it was pyrotechnics and aimed upwards (to avoid hitting actors.) Yes, my emotions want this all to be pyrotechnics, actors, and a false-bombing false-flag, but I am trying to be as objective as possible.

After the plume of thick off-white smoke goes upwards, then some gray-white smoke envelopes the crowd, and they are totally obscured for nearly 15 seconds. Anyone who has ever been on stage or on a stage crew knows that 15 seconds is plenty of time to set up a scene (if indeed, this is a false flag utilizing actors, as I believe is the case.)

About 14 seconds after the first explosion goes off, a second explosion goes off - only it is about 6 buildings down the street. Probably at least 600 feet away from the first explosion area. But wait... the mainscream news showed the 2 brothers arriving, together, into black backpack explosion site #1 (one brother with a white backpack, and a one with a gray small backpack.) So, was the "bomb" that was down the street (that apparently injured no one at all?) the bomb that was announced "this is only a drill, bomb will go off in one minute" (or something to that effect) and admittedly done by DHS/FBI/BPD?

If that is true and we are still not skeptical of a bomb by good guys and a bomb by bad guys coincidentally going off within 14 seconds of each other... well, we deserve the "Trust me. Pull my finger" award.

One last thing: I have on several occasions in my life had (relatively minor) injuries where I cut through muscle and fat - and even one where you could see the bone. Plus, one gusher where I chopped my foot with an ax. So, I have an idea what I would expect to see in images of shrapnel wounds (as described, in text, by the medical personnel that Vivek linked.) Are there any images that show this? I have seen a number of images of torn clothing that don't appear to have wounds - but maybe the clothing is hiding the wounds. Are there any images that show this?

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

I split off some 25 posts, from this thread and one other thread into a new and separate thread: Explosions at Boston marathon - split thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58414-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-split-thread), as explained in the Mod-edit note that I just added before the first post of that new split thread.

[Referee]

Beside photographic coloring artifacts, more comments to that same article from an experienced dude:


Wow well two of you must have sucked as EMT’s, your femoral artery stops above the knee, which means he wasn’t bleeding from an arterial rupture you idiots. You’ve never seen oxygenated blood that color? Have you never seen a serious case of bleeding before? You morons need to shut up before you embarrass real first responders and medical professionals everywhere.

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I still have a problem with the color and lack of foot prints in the blood. Blood takes on a browner tint especially when in a pool. Yes it could be color corrected camera type changes however I am still skeptical. I studied as a marine biologist and have seen plenty of blood....

[ThePythonicCow]

There had to have been at least 200 to 300 people on that sidewalk/veranda area, at a major sporting event, near the finish line. I would guess there had to be some cellphone cameras and camcorders recording from within the group. I would be surprised if there were less than 1 out of 10 people recording. That would be 20 to 30. (I know there would be at least that at the finish line of the marathon they run in my little town.) Let's drop that number in half. Now, drop it in half again. I would expect at least 5 to 7 people would have captured something from within the "blast area." Are there any?
Lots of cameras, no doubt, but the cameras in the street, such as the one for the Boston Globe video you displayed, don't show what was going on behind the screen between the runners and the audience, and the cameras in the audience behind the screens were more likely looking out into the street, than at the ground near the shops behind them.

[Referee]

Check it out especially if you have a media platform.......Huge news to be coordinated with a mass Alternative media release. Idahopicker does his homework.

wQNRaSK7lsQ

[jackovesk]

With all these (Graphic Images) in our faces 24/7 from the PTW/MSM...:fear:

I thought I'd lighten the mood with a (TRANQUIL SCENE) for a change, to (RELAX) & re-charge your batteries..:)

Click image/link below...

Tranquility Image (http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz216/Peacefulrain09/Movies/AmityvilleHorror.gif)

PS - Feeling better now..:)

[Cidersomerset]

Boston Blank: Could Dzhokhar walk out of boat with 'deadly' throat wound?

MIRANDA rights revoked............This is very convenient, Gitmo & waterboarding next ?


QtBHJe9qjR4

Published on 22 Apr 2013


The surviving suspect in last week's terror bombings in Boston has been slipping in
and out of consciousness in hospital, but has been able to make a written
statement for the first time. The 19-year-old received a throat injury during a fierce
standoff with police and is still unable to speak. Charges against the alleged
bomber are due to be filed later on Monday.

[witchy1]

Gross Jack!
This guy has the photos unadulterated I think. You can enlarge them
http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431 (http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431)


I have one of the guy with the grey hoodie putting something on the amputees leg..... trying to upload it

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jack I fell for it very good...LOL...Tried to find some Aussie humour,
most inappropriate, but found a good one about a guy trying to divorce his wife.

Adam Hills talking about Terrorists in Edinburgh festival 2007, at the end he
sums up the British attitude well after 40 years of IRA bomb threats we
are pretty used to it. 'Don't let the b-------'s grind you down' !

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[witchy1]

21222
Please click on to enlarge......

[Hervé]

Gross Jack!
This guy has the photos unadulterated I think. You can enlarge them
http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431 (http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431)


I have one of the guy with the grey hoodie putting something on the amputees leg..... trying to upload it


21222
Please click on to enlarge......

Telephoto cram distances into seemingly short ones.

The hooded guy has the lady in red jacket (who is holding onto his shoulder) between him and Jeff.

Beware of psyops artists making you see things that aren't there... (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209)<---)

[Cidersomerset]

'Tamerlan wasn't a religious fanatic' - Tsarnaevs' relative to RT

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Published on 22 Apr 2013


As investigators are struggling to understand the motives behind the deadly Boston
bombing, RT spoke to a relative of the suspected attackers who stressed that the
elder of Tsarnaev brothers, Tamerlan, was not a religious fanatic. READ MORE:
http://on.rt.com/yc7vxh

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

That's part of the operation! They are not trying to pull off the perfect caper, unnoticed by anyone to be other than what they claim it to be. This is not like some master gang of bank robbers, intending to dig into the vaults over the weekend, disable the alarms, and steal off with the gold or money, not even to be noticed until the bank manager discovers the looted vault Monday morning.

These bastards intend for various confusing and conflicting reports to appear, mixing bits and pieces of the truth in with various lies. They want to strike fear, uncertainty, doubt, and conflict in us, and turn us one against the other. Most of my relatives have long since written me off as a lunatic conspiracy nut job, and I've written most of them off as clueless mind-numbed robots (exaggerating a bit, but not entirely.) They want to strike fear in our hearts, as those of us who see some of what is happening realize that even half-arsed botched false flag operations can be so successful, again and again and again, century after century. They want us to realize we are impotent fools, unable to do a damn thing about it, no matter how closely we attempt to investigate and how much condemning evidence we uncover.

They are psychopathic bullies working for public effect, not ultra-secret highly disciplined bank robbers working in stealth.

The resulting controversy, confusion and conflict amongst the rest of us is one of the intended results of such operations.

Once again, the few who have a clue are divided from the sheeple.

Thanks Paul. I understand and agree with this assessment. But would you go along with the idea that perhaps they 'underestimate' the sheeple, and were unprepared for the amount of resistance the 'official' story has received? In which case I still maintain that this operation was a botch-job, and far from cleanly contrived as was planned in the beginning.

That said I have 3 big unanswered questions:

1) If the bombs were fake, and victims were fake (actors) then how did the two people (a woman and a child) who purportedly lost their lives, die?

2) If they wanted to 'set-up' islamic terror by staging a false flag, why did they bother having a fake bomb with fake victims? Why didn't they just do what they're already good at and plant a real bomb, and really kill people? If we are lead to believe 9/11 was false flag, which it certainly appears to be, they had no compunction about killing 1,000s. A few dozen at a marathon finish line shouldn't have been a problem for them, and would've avoided much of this conspiracy fiasco.

Because I find it hard to buy that confusion and doubt over the official story was part of the agenda, not when they have a history of doing everything possible to hide the truth and making such mysteries impenetrable.

3) It staggers me that there isn't somebody somewhere in government, in the FBI, the DHS, the local Police force, hell - even a reputable and well known mainstream Journalist, that knows something is very fishy here but actually has a conscience, and is willing to stand up and blow the whistle. Yes there are a few Youtube vids from independent journalists, analysts, commentators etc, but in the mainstream everyone is humming the same 'official' tune, from the same 'official' hymn sheet. Are they all so afraid of committing professional suicide, or worse?

[SilentFeathers]

I personally think this whole topic and related threads got turned upside down to a large extent, not because of Vivek either, but because of the (majority rule) accepted "main" theme of what of possibly may of happened. Personally I did not agree with all of Vikek's analysis, but much of it was well laid out and made good sense through connecting certain dots and "speculation" as he himself pointed out that he WAS speculating and drawing possible conclusions base on circumstantial evidence.....and some rather damning evidence based on photo's that seemed to be quite authentic.

Now we seem to have lost another great researcher here who bases opinions and speculation mostly on logic, reason, and common sense. WTF?

Sure he got quite personal and loud through his responses and IMO he had a right too, not because he was trying to be the correct one here but because he was trying to keep the thread from spiraling into a frenzy of far out and ridiculous claims of scenario's/conclusions of what DID happen, or most likely happened......that his version (analysis/speculation) was basically null and void because it didn't fit the majority of the accepted version where many members were going with it here on Avalon.

Perhaps I'm wrong about this, but this is how I see it at the moment.

[crosby]

SilentFeathers, I agree with you. I am hoping that Vivek reconsiders because he has brought so much to this family here at Avalon. Everyone has a definitive position on this event. Nobody really knows what the truth is. But, each and everyday I see more and more information forming into a closer realm of this truth. We all need to remember that we are working together on this, and losing a valued member is not the way to go.
regards, corson

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks Paul. I understand and agree with this assessment. But would you go along with the idea that perhaps they 'underestimate' the sheeple, and were unprepared for the amount of resistance the 'official' story has received? In which case I still maintain that this operation was a botch-job, and far from cleanly contrived as was planned in the beginning.

That said I have 3 big unanswered questions:

1) If the bombs were fake, and victims were fake (actors) then how did the two people (a woman and a child) who purportedly lost their lives, die?

2) If they wanted to 'set-up' islamic terror by staging a false flag, why did they bother having a fake bomb with fake victims? Why didn't they just do what they're already good at and plant a real bomb, and really kill people? If we are lead to believe 9/11 was false flag, which it certainly appears to be, they had no compunction about killing 1,000s. A few dozen at a marathon finish line shouldn't have been a problem for them, and would've avoided much of this conspiracy fiasco.

Because I find it hard to buy that confusion and doubt over the official story was part of the agenda, not when they have a history of doing everything possible to hide the truth and making such mysteries impenetrable.

3) It staggers me that there isn't somebody somewhere in government, in the FBI, the DHS, the local Police force, hell - even a reputable and well known mainstream Journalist, that knows something is very fishy here but actually has a conscience, and is willing to stand up and blow the whistle. Yes there are a few Youtube vids from independent journalists, analysts, commentators etc, but in the mainstream everyone is humming the same 'official' tune, from the same 'official' hymn sheet. Are they all so afraid of committing professional suicide, or worse?

No doubt the operation had some loose ends and was far from cleanly contrived.

I suspect that the bombs were not entirely fake, but were designed more for the smoke and rather modest blast and noise effect than they were designed for maximum lethal effect.

I suspect that just plain old outright mass killings cause more substantive resistance amongst people, especially those really effected (friends and relatives) and those who have some limited inside knowledge (even if just after the fact), so perhaps they feel more in control if they use a mix of more modest real killings with a bunch of theatric effects and propaganda. I agree, however, that if they thought that killing a million of us was the best way to further their goals, then a million of us would soon be seriously dead. If we have any Iranians on the forum, they could probably verify this.

We are dealing here however with what is essentially a propaganda and mass indoctrination effort, not a major military assault. They are trying to cow (as in intimidate) us, not outright kill us en masse and immediately. So they reasonably enough use the tools of intimidation and propaganda for the most part, not the tools of outright military conquest. (By "us", I mean in this case Americans.)

I'm sure some with inside or particular knowledge are speaking out. However the few with a full awareness of what is going down have been vetted for decades to prove themselves "trustworthy". Multiple, not necessarily pleasant, means are used by the serious insiders to insure that none of their own steps too far out of line.

Also, imagine for a moment that you yourself had significant knowledge of what was going down, and that you wanted to "tell the world." Exactly how would you do that, and get enough people to hear you, before your message was drowned in disinformation, and you were threatened, bribed, extorted, or killed into silence? It would be difficult to say the least.

[miqeel]

Assume nothing. Question everything. Challenge the opposition. And start thinking.

People should really think about the above sentence extensively. It is v easy to get involved in a shouting match about whose truth is truer than others. The issue of Vivek leaving ties in with a previous thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56952-Prolific-Posters-And-Where-Have-They-Gone).

There are a number of questions surrounding the Bombings, and a number of theories about it. In discerning them, please remember both the event and the theories are a creation of people, and as such it is a subject to misinterpretations and half-truths and a plethora of opinions and theories etc.

The forum is a great place to exchange these. Questioning person should assume nothing and question everything, especially their own assumptions about the events, and mostly refrain from subscribing to, for lack of better expression" a bandwagon. Additionally, I would say, that this event gives a great opportunity for waking people up to what is going on with the world. Not by forcing ones own interpretation of the event upon people, but by making them question the official version of the events. Question everything! Question what I wrote here as well.

And mostly, one should try to remain grounded and level.
Peace
m

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

This is a very important video. This man just interviewed the suspect´s aunt, and she confirms that the unharmed naked man filmed in that video being arrested is really her nephew, the oldest brother.

This means that he was captured alive and murdered later on.

v0-C6Z0YEGM

Raf.

[sheme]

Some one being interviewed on BBC said that they are claiming the youngster shot him self in the throat!!

[RMorgan]

Some one being interviewed on BBC said that they are claiming the youngster shot him self in the throat!!

Yeah...Right. He allegedly put the barrel in his mouth and pressed the trigger, but missed somehow, ending up with just a throat injury...Ok...Whoever believes this story has a worm´s IQ.

I can´t even find the proper angle for such thing to happen; If someone intends to blow of his own brain with a gun, the barrel must be pointing towards the skull or at least towards the nape, not the throat, obviously.

How about his leg? He was shot in the leg as well...They will tell us he did it to himself as well? Come on...

What a circus...It´s hard to understand how the USA, which once was a great country, was transformed into this, and how its citizens allowed it to happen.

[Hervé]

All right, back to the data:

One can get a fair grip on the event time line by following the succession of events on the Boston Globe video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfivKMhqyg&feature=player_embedded

Stabilized version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l447UT3rtM

The smoke from the explosion cleared from the air in about 1 minute although puffs of smokes were still rising up from the ground for about another minute.

So, here is the setting at 4:12:06 (finish line clock):


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pp8dvPBe_PpsBVcfeVKjS5lx4TzP8-Md2LRLnyBmoTTbKS8IgOF77xv9BAqdpfIy5d16esbW64ZwhlBn-VbzoypwhzlY7zxJO/Boston-19a.jpg?psid=1
High resolution version at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8652882879/sizes/o/in/set-72157633252445135/

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pWB7qov-Qwiffj3DLl0AfX1YTTbVAOvtEPHQIoEDKPgmR_GwI0BpKpg6ganvdcX6VhNBW9_SlQpHcoLcpFDckBoQH_YLR_GzP/CST%20crew%20cameraman.jpg?psid=1

#1, Carlos in cowboy hat already there;
#2 one of those is the Boston Globe cameraman who shot the linked videos, above.




... and now for the gory stuff (GRAPHIC!)


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pKPdU-wOYmAfmXydSlkyibPy2hNzB2o_usqxMP2ms3nyyW_pHTVA1-IE07Ayv-KW25qnSF0GkHxfASPCR_4c2lgCqoN48oiq4/130415232512-58-boston-marathon-explosion-horizontal-gallery.jpg?psid=1



https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1prttB_HUNMRh6gRFPtbiDVK3_n4ORd3-8p22-_SNvBo5w8GQxEMMKwM-kNdQGFJqHRteNgTyeauNUHILs4iJduzoOIm7QQCUS/960x595.jpg?psid=1


Blood color to anyone's taste?... Foot prints?... Lacerated pants?


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pDZXJ1qHjQvex8oPdVBynjRIiBHcVdFYdE1lSxbZppxLwPnH30wwdcXKtdxhl9fQrUCEuLxjmb6BuXYpPjVElCCw3wtUCeq1y/A-person-who-was-injured--010.jpg?psid=1
OK to be carted out in a wheel chair instead of the gurney (left) that finally arrived on the scene?...


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbNqWMWiNNzO7HPxV72bssn8CuXdyS3EmCkJZWh0BMtEj_MqbAVsw77_M0pMuGOyI_AcOWdVLim0iy1AhM5JDv9d6cSprXRe3/An-injured-woman-is-tende-005.jpg?psid=1
Are the blood trails to the satisfaction of anyone's critical assessment?




Series of high resolution pictures of the scene at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8652816493/in/set-72157633252445135

[SilentFeathers]

What a circus...It´s hard to understand how the USA, which once was a great country, was transformed into this, and how its citizens allowed it to happen.

Yeah, it's quite ridiculous, if it was high noon and everyone was getting sunburned and the government told people it was really really night time, most would be scratching their heads wondering why the sun was out at night time....

Same with this event; which I'm calling Sandy Hook Phase 2

Regardless of how it was done and by whom, the actions afterwords by the gov etc fit the agenda we are all aware of.....I'm predicting that they will take the rest of this highly sophisticated sleeper cell out with drones here on US soil......

RE: this cell is so sophisticated they can't even commit suicide properly!

[crosby]

they have formally charged the 'suspected' bomber.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-bombings-20130421,0,446010.story


"BOSTON—
Federal prosecutors charged badly wounded Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in his hospital bed on Monday, but details of the charges were sealed, a U.S. court official said."

the charges were sealed???????
regards, corson

[SilentFeathers]

they have formally charged the 'suspected' bomber.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-bombings-20130421,0,446010.story


"BOSTON—
Federal prosecutors charged badly wounded Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in his hospital bed on Monday, but details of the charges were sealed, a U.S. court official said."

the charges were sealed???????
regards, corson

Just like the martial law test, they are now flexing the muscles of the NDAA and other Acts/legislation.

Also, recent history teaches, especially in this administration now, when they say one thing they usually do the opposite; from the article you linked;


Tsarnaev will not be treated as an enemy combatant in the legal process, White House spokesman Jay Carney said on Monday.

"He will not be treated as an enemy combatant," Carney told reporters at a briefing. "We will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. Under U.S. law, United States citizens cannot be tried in military commission


He basically says it three times.....they'll spin it this way but he's already been treated as an enemy combatant, firstly by his miranda rights being eliminated.

Drone Industry Invokes Boston Bombings in PR Pitch
http://cnsnews.com/blog/joe-schoffstall/drone-industry-invokes-boston-bombings-pr-pitch

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.44.2/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png


22 April 2013 Last updated at 18:52

Boston marathon bombing: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev chargedBreaking news
The surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings has been charged with
using a weapon of mass destruction, the US Department of Justice says.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev could face the death penalty under the charges.

A White House spokesman has said Mr Tsarnaev will not be treated as an "enemy
combatant", as suggested by some Republican members of Congress.

The twin bomb attack near the finishing line of the marathon killed three people,
and injured more than 180.Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was captured on Friday evening
after a huge manhunt during which his elder brother and suspected fellow bomber,
Tamerlan Tsarnaev, died.

He has been unable to speak because of a throat wound, though he has reportedly
responded to questions in writing.In addition to federal charges, prosecutors for the
state of Massachusetts, which does not have the death penalty, could file their own.

"He will not be treated as an enemy combatant," said White House spokesman Jay Carney.

"We will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451


===================================================


We should remember millions die everyday of all causes so its the oppression
these acts are designed to scare us with terror.


Street Shooting in Russia: Gunman kills at least 6, including 14yo girl

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Raw Footage: China Hit by MASSIVE EARTHQUAKE 20/04/2013

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Published on 20 Apr 2013


China earthquake: 156 killed and thousands injured in the earthquake of magnitude 7

[Cidersomerset]

This is encouraging !!


Back to Back C-span callers - Boston Marathon Bombing a false flag

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http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83155-global-awakening-to-false-flag-terrorism-copernican-revolution

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The Capture of Dzokhar Tsarnaev

Hardly a 'shoot-out' more a mob shooting.


796UFHldHM4

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83155-global-awakening-to-false-flag-terrorism-copernican-revolution

[RMorgan]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.44.2/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png


22 April 2013 Last updated at 18:52

Boston marathon bombing: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev chargedBreaking news
The surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings has been charged with
using a weapon of mass destruction, the US Department of Justice says.



Really? Weapon of mass destruction? A homemade cooking pot improvised explosive device?

I´m speechless...

[Cidersomerset]

Really? Weapon of mass destruction? A homemade cooking pot improvised explosive device?

I´m speechless...




Yeh talking about overkill ! it would be funny if it was not so serious !!


http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/April201396/387364_4606650000096_663853795_n.jpg

[Kimberley]

First of all thank you all who have been posting in this thread a lot of good information is compiled here.

As far as "fake" blood and such...Someone said in this thread why would they have actors when TPTW do not care about loss of life. I agree. And there were thousands of people as witnesses.

One piece of the puzzle that is missing is that there is no testimony from the man in the black Mercedes SUV that was carjacked. I can not find anything except that he has not been identified.

This is from yesterday:
How a Stupid Mistake Led Police Straight to the Boston Terrorists
http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/21/give-thanks-for-dumb-terrorists/


Then they carjacked a man–who has not been identified but is described as a Caucasian in his 20s–and rode with him in his black Mercedes SUV

This is from friday:
Cambridge Gas Station Owner Tarek Ahmed Recounts Carjacking By Dzhokhar And Tamerlan Tsarnaev
http://www.ibtimes.com/cambridge-gas-station-owner-tarek-ahmed-recounts-carjacking-dzhokhar-tamerlan-tsarnaev-1205053#

Why is this not being talked about?

Also why is MSN reporting that the older brother got killed by being run over by the younger brother, when we are seeing video's on the internet of the older brother being taken out of a vehicle and moved into another vehicle?

And if the brother did run over his brother...

How did the older brother get out of the SUV in Watertown during the shooting? Did the other brother get out too? If he did, how did he get back in and drive it?

If the police had the older brother on the ground, away from the SUV, and moved away when the SUV came toward them, did they leave him on the ground as the car approached? Why didn’t they take the older brother with them?

What really happened to the MIT security guard who was shot and killed? We are not hearing anything about that either? Why were the Brothers at MIT?

And as far as the younger brother is concerned every one who has talked about him that knows him can not fathom how he could have been a part of this?

There is another friend of younger brother talking in the news clip video in this link (news clip from today):

http://boston.cbslocal.com/video/8797975-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-communicating-with-investigators/

The marshall law lock down blew my mind on Friday...yikes.

I like what Ben Fulford had to say today about the Boston bombings...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58443-Benjamin-Fulford-April-22nd-2013&p=664875&viewfull=1#post664875

The important thing to remember is to question everything.

Much love! Much peace!

[Jeffrey]

Since the new information about the CST crew has come to light, I have done some more research. Using logic and reason, this new evidence sheds light on what was most likely in the backpacks.

This assumption or premise is based on the available information as opposed to assumptions based on lack of information. I no longer suspect that it was bomb technicians equipment, but bomb detection equipment. This is a more reasonable alternative as you will see below, with links and evidence.

These men with the backpacks were part of a WMD CST crew on stand-by for the event.

You can read about these kinds of crews here:

http://www.rrt2.nrt.org/production/nrt/rrt2.nsf/Resources/Presentations_Mar2012_1/$File/CST_Capabilities_Brief.pdf

The backpacks were most likely (based on this new evidence) radiation detection equipment. This type of equipment is custom made for backpacks. Specifically, to be convenient, portable, and clandestine.

https://www.rkb.us/images/SAVER/html/Highlights/Backpack.jpg

http://www.southernscientific.co.uk/store/public/application/file/image/Nucsafe_Backpack_368x0.JPG

http://www.domesticpreparedness.com/userfiles//images/client%20images/bruker_prtusbckpck11.jpg

Thermo Scientific offers their own version of such a pack. Here's a description from their site:




Thermo Scientific PackEye radiation detection backpack locates and detects gamma-emitting radioactive sources in large areas very rapidly, but unobtrusively.
Provides survey teams with a tool for effectively addressing the problems of orphaned sources, radiological contamination, and maliciously introduced sources.

[Some bullet points from the details section]


Unchallenged light weight of 6kg

Can be tied into the ViewPoint Enterprise platform, allowing for a customizable remote monitoring solution which will provide real-time command and control data

Acoustic or LED bar indicator alarm; can provide a stealth mode using standard ear-phone

Earphone socket

Optional single earphone

NBR detector

RadEye Personal Radiation Detector (PRD)

Standard earphone can be used


Source: http://www.thermoscientific.com/ecomm/servlet/productsdetail_11152___11961668_-1#tab-specifications

Here is another description of these types of backpacks.




Radiation detection backpacks are units designed for executing covert searches for gamma-emitting (and in some cases neutron-emitting) radioactive materials. The unit’s detector and associated electronics are hidden inside a backpack, allowing the operator to inconspicuously search public areas. Emergency responders can use these backpacks to locate and secure radioactive materials that were placed in a public or private area.

Source: https://www.rkb.us/SAVER/SaverDocs.cfm?action=content&content_id=2098

Now all the pictures of the vehicles with all the equipment makes sense. Now the backpacks make sense. Now the handheld radiation detectors/display units make sense. Now, it makes sense that the men missed the bomb.

Many people had backpacks, but these CST personnel were relying on their equipment to sniff out any radiation emanating from a bomb. The type of bomb used couldn't have been detected by their equipment.

Now go back and read the opening post.

I'm not trying to be right. I'm not trying to win an argument. I'm defending reason. Not my reason. Reason. I've said it before, you all have been too quick to jump to a conclusion or accept evidence without digging into it.

I have other evidence debunking a lot of other crap being pushed around here. You can find it too, but you don't want to. I'm not going to waste my time thinking for you, having to lay it out. Your being lazy. Period.

[SilentFeathers]

Seriously Vivek? Com' on dude get serious!

These backpacks contained camping gear and these dudes were planning on going out in the bush for a team member camping pow wow as soon as the marathon was over! Get real dude!!!!

[Abhaya]

Since the new information about the CST crew has come to light, I have done some more research. Using logic and reason, this new evidence sheds light on what was most likely in the backpacks.

This assumption or premise is based on the available information as opposed to assumptions based on lack of information. I no longer suspect that it was bomb technicians equipment, but bomb detection equipment. This is a more reasonable alternative as you will see below, with links and evidence.

These men with the backpacks were part of a WMD CST crew on stand-by for the event.

You can read about these kinds of crews here:

http://www.rrt2.nrt.org/production/nrt/rrt2.nsf/Resources/Presentations_Mar2012_1/$File/CST_Capabilities_Brief.pdf

The backpacks were most likely (based on this new evidence) radiation detection equipment. This type of equipment is custom made for backpacks. Specifically, to be convenient, portable, and clandestine.

https://www.rkb.us/images/SAVER/html/Highlights/Backpack.jpg

http://www.southernscientific.co.uk/store/public/application/file/image/Nucsafe_Backpack_368x0.JPG

http://www.domesticpreparedness.com/userfiles//images/client%20images/bruker_prtusbckpck11.jpg

Thermo Scientific offers their own version of such a pack. Here's a description from their site:




Thermo Scientific PackEye radiation detection backpack locates and detects gamma-emitting radioactive sources in large areas very rapidly, but unobtrusively.
Provides survey teams with a tool for effectively addressing the problems of orphaned sources, radiological contamination, and maliciously introduced sources.

[Some bullet points from the details section]


Unchallenged light weight of 6kg

Can be tied into the ViewPoint Enterprise platform, allowing for a customizable remote monitoring solution which will provide real-time command and control data

Acoustic or LED bar indicator alarm; can provide a stealth mode using standard ear-phone

Earphone socket

Optional single earphone

NBR detector

RadEye Personal Radiation Detector (PRD)

Standard earphone can be used


Source: http://www.thermoscientific.com/ecomm/servlet/productsdetail_11152___11961668_-1#tab-specifications

Here is another description of these types of backpacks.




Radiation detection backpacks are units designed for executing covert searches for gamma-emitting (and in some cases neutron-emitting) radioactive materials. The unit’s detector and associated electronics are hidden inside a backpack, allowing the operator to inconspicuously search public areas. Emergency responders can use these backpacks to locate and secure radioactive materials that were placed in a public or private area.

Source: https://www.rkb.us/SAVER/SaverDocs.cfm?action=content&content_id=2098

Now all the pictures of the vehicles with all the equipment makes sense. Now the backpacks make sense. Now the handheld radiation detectors/display units make sense. Now, it makes sense that the men missed the bomb.

Many people had backpacks, but these CST personnel were relying on their equipment to sniff out any radiation emanating from a bomb. The type of bomb used couldn't have been detected by their equipment.

Now go back and read the opening post.

I'm not trying to be right. I'm not trying to win an argument. I'm defending reason. Not my reason. Reason. I've said it before, you all have been too quick to jump to a conclusion or accept evidence without digging into it.

I have other evidence debunking a lot of other crap being pushed around here. You can find it too, but you don't want to. I'm not going to waste my time thinking for you, having to lay it out. Your being lazy. Period.

Paul, since this flies in the face of your beliefs maybe you could move it to the split off thread for me.

Really, close my account. I'm serious. I've asked you once already. You're thinking I'm going to calm down. I'm calm now. The problem is still here. I'm done. I'm sure many of you have strong personalities, strong psychology, high emotional quotients. Yet, there is an utter lack of effort and discernment here when it comes to thinking. I may not be pointing it out in a respectful or polite way, it doesn't change it though. It's there. I've seen it in myself, so I know what it looks like. I have plenty of experience with it.

Great info once again. But why'd you go and add all that drama at the bottom? With all due respect your acting like a bit of a queen at this point. Your right this forum has a standard it should live up to in regards to how it presents and follows up on information, it also has a standard in regards to Facebook level drama. So I would ask that you man up admit your part of the wrong on this issue and continue your high level of research minus the other whining. Move on bro we all have these moments. How we recover from them says a lot though.

[Cidersomerset]

http://i1.ytimg.com/i/TrQ7HXWRRxr7OsOtodr2_w/1.jpg?v=a2bac9 What will happen to bomb suspect?


BLAR_jazpYM

Published on 22 Apr 2013


Jon Snow talks to Alan Dershowitz, a renowned criminal lawyer
whose celebrity clients have included boxer Mike Tyson,
Claus von Bulow and O.J. Simpson

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Published on 22 Apr 2013


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged with conspiring to use a weapon of mass
destruction leading to the deaths of three people in the bombing of the Boston
marathon.

[donk]

Really, close my account. I'm serious. I've asked you once already. You're thinking I'm going to calm down. I'm calm now. The problem is still here. I'm done. I'm sure many of you have strong personalities, strong psychology, high emotional quotients. Yet, there is an utter lack of effort and discernment here when it comes to thinking. I may not be pointing it out in a respectful or polite way, it doesn't change it though. It's there. I've seen it in myself, so I know what it looks like. I have plenty of experience with it.

That's quite a blanket statement. Just because no one chimes in complete support of your ONE TRUTH....excuse me, unarguable reason...doesn't mean that everyone here is unable put in effort or discernment.


I'm not trying to be right. I'm not trying to win an argument. I'm defending reason. Not my reason. Reason. I've said it before, you all have been too quick to jump to a conclusion or accept evidence without digging into it.

Could have fooled me. In fact, it seems like you're leaving because you haven't completely dominated all other sides of some argument--that I am not sure I understand.

I'm sorry to see you go. I am here to learn, and share what I learn...you've helped a lot. You will be missed.

[gigha]

Correct me if I am wrong but was there not two explosions. How come we do not seem to see any video or images of what I believe was the first explosion. Which I think happened farther up the street before the finnish line.
Also I think the video released by the FBI showed both brothers walking down the street both with backpacks on.
So that must beg the question who planted the first bomb.
Just a thought.

gigha

[Hervé]

The blown-out window was, well... blown OUT, not in. It appears to have been blasted out from the inside. The shards of (probably tempered glass, which is designed to break into small pieces) glass did not go far from the window. Wouldn't that indicate the explosion was indoors, and not very strong?

[...]


It doesn't appear that you are following this thread very closely or else you missed reading this or, if you read it, did not fully comprehend what the written words mean:


[...]

What you do see on that video is broken glass from the street level front store window from which one can deduce the blast as being mostly horizontally directed.

Since the broken glass is on the ground in front of the store, one can also infer that the window didn't break from the first pressure wave but from the vacuum generated back-flow.

Accordingly, it could also be inferred that the pressure + back-flow waves didn't reach people's head's height and were restricted close to ground which is corroborated by people being mostly injured in their legs.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/16/article-2309545-1950CDAB000005DC-672_964x494.jpg

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/04/16/1226621/876302-boston-explosion-483-x-272.jpg
The front window of the "All in for Boston" isn't broken most probably because the door was open* nor are any windows above street level broken.

The only evidence for a vertical component to the blast was the pressure-cooker lid found on a nearby hotel rooftop.

I am not trying to prove or disprove anything and so am -- maybe -- more able to analyze the data at their face value.

* From my underground mining experience, all one needs to do to avoid one's eardrum from being shot by a mining blast (that's in a very confined environment) is to keep one's mouth open.

Since the above post and with more "looking" at various pictures, it does appear that the "Lens Crafters" 1rst floor window is also broken as well as the side panel from the "Marathon Place" front display with broken glass in front of the entrance (left side when looking at the store).

Also, the "Lens Crafters" front store windows appear to be double-paneled and the window on the left side has its front panel broken but not the one on the inside side since it's reflecting a street view.

This implies that the vacuum generated back-flow of the blast broke them all after the first high pressure wave may have cracked them.


[...]

It actually appears to me that most of the force went upwards, not outwards. Sickeningly, that could be because the lateral blast force got absorbed into legs, or (hopefully)...

[...]If you take another good look at that video, you may be able to notice that the smoke is not blast-velocity propelled but heat-convection dispersed.

Taking an even closer look and you may be able to see that the banners skirting the fence are being lifted by the blast shock wave (a few frames after the initial blast flash). That's indicative of the horizontally oriented vector of the blast. That's when that senior runner start to fall down.

Accordingly, the blast pressure + back-flow waves have already occurred long before the smoke cloud developed.

[Jeffrey]

i remember one time working the box out in the county , this guy got both legs ran over by a train and funny thing is there was no blood just major crushing so i have seen weird thing’s emt-b career FD…..texas
Posted by james temple | April 21, 2013, 9:34 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47345)
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When you cut an artery cleanly then it bleeds out. When arteries are torn the muscles around the artery contracts and the muscles put enough pressure on the arteries to stop them from bleeding out. Although in a while the muscles relax and the artery is free to bleed out. Think of it like an Umbilical cord, We cut them so we need to stop the bleeding, animals on the other hand chew them and that stops them from bleeding out. I hope that helps you understand.
Posted by Dave | April 21, 2013, 12:11 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47406)
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... but that he wasn't carted out as a priority. Unless, with blood circulation in his legs being shut down from the physiological shock, priority was given to the continuous bleeders?



Beside photographic coloring artifacts, more comments to that same article from an experienced dude:


Wow well two of you must have sucked as EMT’s, your femoral artery stops above the knee, which means he wasn’t bleeding from an arterial rupture you idiots. You’ve never seen oxygenated blood that color? Have you never seen a serious case of bleeding before? You morons need to shut up before you embarrass real first responders and medical professionals everywhere.

Posted by RationalThought | April 21, 2013, 3:16 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47493) Reply to this comment (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/?replytocom=47493#respond)


:bump:

"Muscles have only one trick: When stimulated they contract; that is, they get shorter and thicker. A cut or torn artery or vein has, at its cut end, a whole lot of stimulation of the muscles. They contract, and close off the vessel. Blood pressure in the arteries may be high enough to push past the contraction, so what we do is apply direct pressure to the injury site until clotting can start."

Source: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009929.html

[Hervé]

Trickle, trickle...

... about the bomb making:



#3 According to The Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter%23ixzz2R70hoYA4), the FBI is reportedly “hunting” a 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter%23ixzz2R70hoYA4)” that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were allegedly a part of…

A source close to the investigation said: “We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.
“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”
Full article: http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/17-unanswered-questions-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask



... PROS!

[Cidersomerset]

This cannot be helping.......

Pit of Hopelessness: Guantanamo grows tense, inmates suicidal

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Published on 22 Apr 2013


More than a half of the detainees in Guantanamo Bay are now on hunger strike,
according to the U.S. military. So far, 5 have been hospitalized at the prison camp,
and 16 are being force-fed. And as RT's Gayane Chichyakyan explains, the fate of
the hunger strikers has broad international implications...

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Al-Qaeda linked terror attack thwarted in Canada

Homegrown Terrorists Police have been monitoring for over
a year. Though Police say not connected to Boston incident.

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Published on 22 Apr 2013


According to Canadian authorities, an al-Qaeda linked terrorist attack was broken
up on Monday. The plan was meant to disrupt a major transportation route from
Toronto, Ontario Canada to New York City. RT's Meghan Lopez brings us the latest
on the two suspects arrested.

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22 April 2013 Last updated at 22:42

Canada foils 'al-Qaeda inspired' terror attack on train


Canada's authorities say they have arrested and charged two people with
conspiring to carry out an "al-Qaeda inspired" attack on a passenger train.

At a news conference, the authorities said the suspects Chiheb Esseghaier, 30, and
Raed Jaser, 35, were arrested in Montreal and Toronto on Monday.They allegedly
planned to derail a VIA passenger train in the greater Toronto area. It was not clear
when.The suspects will now appear in court on Tuesday for a bail hearing.

Read More...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22258191

[jackovesk]

BOSTON BOMBING - Did you notice this?

Apr 19, 2013


What's not yet being reported by the mainstream media is that a "controlled explosion" was under way on the same day as the marathon explosion.


As the Boston Globe tweeted today, "Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities."

It wasn't the JFK library, that was an electrical fire It was the Boston Public Library. 600 block Boylston Street.Across the street from the real bomb. Drill was a cover for FBI patsy operation. Wake up and smell the false flag terror


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqUJyUBozI&feature=player_embedded&bpctr=1366674560
http://www.naturalnews.com/images/Bos...
http://www.infowars.com/boston-marath...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/official...

[Hervé]

Correct me if I am wrong but was there not two explosions. How come we do not seem to see any video or images of what I believe was the first explosion. Which I think happened farther up the street before the finnish line.
Also I think the video released by the FBI showed both brothers walking down the street both with backpacks on.
So that must beg the question who planted the first bomb.
Just a thought.

gigha

First explosion at 4:09:44 (marathon finish line clock) next to the "Finish Line" where most of the media photographers and cameramen were located:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p0fCi0BFrNi4pX3_Gc30t4nBNoMzMerpcZnxPVWfxRZCxGLo3So4qlwNrHNAoKnsXwJkMJir_HpfulR1382uskIdvFq3tTVGQ/Image-2013-04-22-10h-14mn-27.jpg?psid=1





Second explosion further away from the finish line at 4:09:58 (minus 1 or 2 seconds of allowance for sound travel):



https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p5LivulTJENoYYcq5KxPulUkusjpn0fsuDqmyrYFJ9Mqlh-9QnPnO8ryD1z6CBA9coPZ6dLh7MKbfT2SJF0REDvXJntykEB5o/130415161920-boston-marathon-explosion-09-horizontal-gallery.jpg?psid=1


Second explosion site in front of the "Forum":


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbqR_ZL-wHCSLJ8W3pAQlZdwCmw03a4LlCBdZ4WCflwr_KxHdANNfhVsWkKRUpfjRVLW90pEhV_r4_Z80xzr5YLIHsHPs4mlD/article-2310200-1954E0EE000005DC-204_964x578.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbepu3y6FFR70pAtTie3iSHTjSy0wWHfWZZ-lGNXaCsPd9unvRFYokYVJJTsiEge7oxLdXbrvYVZXKivvlrDehKVBRxfr-Z6q/article-2310200-1954E0F5000005DC-185_964x617.jpg?psid=1


As one can see, the first explosion was from the "back" of the sidewalk whereas the second one was at the "front" of it.


First explosion blast spot:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pmF3lxgdqSmY5mutgzD6A1GxJthSJOGKILV8UG1TFVnBlSpXtXqOW11wNPFOyihONOYvUF0rhZIHuGjWgNg8Bn-2uXvtukZCQ/Image-2013-04-21-10h-11mn-48.jpg?psid=1


(where I got the broken 1rst floor window and "Marathon Place" broken side panel)



Second explosion blast spot:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pLx9G13tMDnUTE5Z3-85EhzLx-5zhv0K0nKS9cWyQwIgN0rp1OfwJM3ricyeACU1zWyM1WYCJfLK3u5cheOLp48u4aQMGmCCx/2sd%20explosion%20site-01.png?psid=1



The second blast site is probably where this shocked and entranced dude is coming from:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pCkohScfLysd-gepiR6m41kHLl8X0RL0guzbbjZum24fF21p_9QYyprdIIUw5oZS1-jnZGlw5DM8cGl4uJyFnlziZbPfcCkhY/boston-victim-011.jpg?psid=1



Bonus:


http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-Marathon-Bombing.jpg

No gurneys but lots of wheelchairs (they were prepared for exhausted marathoners of all ages...) at 4:15:41!... that's only less than 6 minutes since the explosion... (high resolution picture at: http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-Marathon-Bombing.jpg)

[RunningDeer]

"Third Suspect Looks Like Os Ama Bin Laden's Son!!!"
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Published on Apr 22, 2013

How on earth did he get a student visa when he is labeled as 3B status.


Beck Reveals Cover Up Of Saudi Ties To Boston Bombings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsYecN...

"Innocent" Saudi spotted with two other Saudis at Marathon?


http://shoebat.com/2013/04/17/innocen...


THAT

DETAINED SAUDI "STUDENT" NAMED AL-HARBI, IS ACTUALLY OSAMA BIN LADEN'S SON, HAMZA BIN LADEN

[Hervé]

BOSTON BOMBING - Did you notice this?

Apr 19, 2013


What's not yet being reported by the mainstream media is that a "controlled explosion" was under way on the same day as the marathon explosion.


As the Boston Globe tweeted today, "Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities."

It wasn't the JFK library, that was an electrical fire It was the Boston Public Library. 600 block Boylston Street.Across the street from the real bomb. Drill was a cover for FBI patsy operation. Wake up and smell the false flag terror


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqUJyUBozI&feature=player_embedded&bpctr=1366674560
http://www.naturalnews.com/images/Bos...
http://www.infowars.com/boston-marath...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/official...

... seems you forgot to append this:






https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YVuMyjSJAyg/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/jT0g-8FhkBw/s48-c-k/photo.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGdKtm0aw_wOkHpTccfrzA) Christina F (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqGdKtm0aw_wOkHpTccfrzA) 2 hours ago (http://www.youtube.com/comment?lc=TjwZb4Rq1ZniJaREZer7KdN8H6Z64YjP0dv_PWw OBYg)
As someone who lives in Boston, I just want to say you need to get your facts straight. First off that tweet was tweeted at 3:53 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqUJyUBozI&feature=player_embedded&bpctr=1366675747#) EST (you are obviously on the West Coast), over an hour after the marathon explosion went off. The library they are tweeting about is the JFK library which is located in Columbia Point near UMass, nowhere near Boylston St. You all should probably stop believing someone who wasn't there and doesn't have any geographical knowledge of Boston.





... but projects impressions of being on the level and wise...

[Hervé]

"Third Suspect Looks Like Os Ama Bin Laden's Son!!!"
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMjVPEdQltk


Published on Apr 22, 2013

How on earth did he get a student visa when he is labeled as 3B status.


Beck Reveals Cover Up Of Saudi Ties To Boston Bombings


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsYecN...

"Innocent" Saudi spotted with two other Saudis at Marathon?


http://shoebat.com/2013/04/17/innocen...


THAT

DETAINED SAUDI "STUDENT" NAMED AL-HARBI, IS ACTUALLY OSAMA BIN LADEN'S SON, HAMZA BIN LADEN


... just hauling [more] coal to Newcastle, from http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/17-unanswered-questions-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask:



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17 Unanswered Questions About The Boston Marathon Bombing The Media Is Afraid To Ask
By Michael, on April 21st, 2013


http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-Marathon-Bombing-300x200.jpg (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/17-unanswered-questions-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask/boston-marathon-bombing)


Will we ever learn the full truth about the Boston Marathon bombing? Personally, I have been looking into this attack for days, and I just keep coming up with more questions than answers. At this point, I honestly have no idea what really happened.

Why was a bomb drill being held on the day of the attack?

Why have authorities denied that a bomb drill was taking place?

Were Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev acting alone?

What was the nature of their previous contacts with the FBI and other federal agencies?

Why did the FBI at first deny that they had been in contact with the Tsarnaev brothers previously?

Why was the investigation of a mysterious Saudi national with familial links to al-Qaeda suddenly dropped shortly after the Saudi ambassador held an unscheduled meeting with Barack Obama?

Why did Michelle Obama subsequently visit that mysterious Saudi national in the hospital?

If you are looking for answers to these questions, I am afraid that I don’t have them at this point. But what alarms me is that the mainstream media seems to be afraid to ask any of the hard questions that they should be asking. They just seem to swallow whatever the authorities tell them hook, line and sinker without following up on any of the things in this case that simply do not seem to make sense.

So what kinds of questions should they be asking? The following are 17 unanswered questions about the Boston Marathon bombing that the media appears to be afraid to ask…

#1 Why were runners being told that a bomb squad drill was taking place during the Boston Marathon? The following is from an article by Natural News (http://www.naturalnews.com/039945_Boston_marathon_bomb_drill_Alastair_Stevenson.html)…
Alastair Stevenson is a veteran marathon runner who has competed in dozens of marathons around the world, including the London Marathon. He’s very familiar with the security typically found at marathons, and he immediately noticed something odd about the Boston marathon security.
“They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about. It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill,” he was quoted as saying by Local15TV.com (http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx).

In the interview, you’ll hear Stevenson say:
“At the start at the event, at the Athlete’s Village, there were people on the roof looking down onto the Village at the start. There were dogs with their handlers going around sniffing for explosives, and we were told on a loud announcement that we shouldn’t be concerned and that it was just a drill (http://www.naturalnews.com/drill.html). And maybe it was just a drill, but I’ve never seen anything like that — not at any marathon that I’ve ever been to. You know, that just concerned me that that’s the only race that I’ve seen in my life where they had dogs sniffing for explosions, and that’s the only place where there had been explosions.”
#2 Why did authorities deny that a bomb squad drill was being held?

#3 According to The Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter%23ixzz2R70hoYA4), the FBI is reportedly “hunting” a 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter%23ixzz2R70hoYA4)” that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were allegedly a part of…
A source close to the investigation said: “We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.

“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”
If that is the case, why are authorities in Boston adamantly insisting that the two brothers were acting alone?

#4 CBS News is reporting (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/20/cbs-news-fbi-interviewed-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2-years-ago/) that the FBI interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev back in 2011. The mother of the two Tsarnaev brothers insists that the FBI had been in contact with them for up to five years (http://rt.com/usa/tsarnaev-brothers-parents-innocent-124/). At first, the FBI denied any previous contact with the two suspects. Will we ever learn the true scope of the previous relationship between the FBI and the Tsarnaev brothers?

#5 Debka is reporting (http://debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap) that the Tsarnaev brothers were “double agents” which had been “hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.” Could this possibly be true? If so, will the American people be told the truth about these links?

#6 According to their uncle (http://www.today.com/news/uncle-mentors-radicalized-older-boston-bombing-suspect-6C9529666), there were “mentors” that “radicalized” the Tsarnaev brothers. So precisely who were those “mentors”?

#7 What happened during Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s trip to Dagestan and Chechnya (http://www.businessinsider.com/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-trip-to-dagestan-2013-4) last year?

#8 Were the Tsarnaev brothers in contact with a rebel leader named Doku Umarov (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312331/Was-Boston-bomber-inspired-Doku-Umarov-Mother-claims-FBI-tracked-older-brother-years-told-Moscow-links-Chechen-terrorists.html) who is known as “Russia’s Bin Laden”?

#9 Did Tamerlan Tsarnaev post a video on YouTube last summer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJknGtKV34I&list=PLPuUsYCtPwgb_NBDc_Y2PdenExr6BFSrz&index=6) that expresses a belief that the 12th Imam, Mahdi, will soon come and that an Islamic army with black flags with arise out of a province in Iran known as Khorasan?

#10 Why aren’t we being told that the “pressure cooker bombs” used in the Boston Marathon attacks are very similar to the kind of pressure cooker bombs that are commonly used in the Middle East? (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/16/al-qaeda-s-recipe-for-pressure-cooker-bombs.html)…
The Daily Beast has confirmed with U.S. counter-terrorism officials that the bombs placed Monday at the marathon were made from pressure cookers, a crude kind of explosive favored by insurgents in Pakistan and Afghanistan. A recipe for a bomb that uses the pressure cooker was part of the debut issue of [I]Inspire, the English-language online magazine of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
#11 Initially we were told that Saudi national Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi was a “person of interest” in the case. But now he is scheduled to leave the country (http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/abdul-rahman-ali-alharbi-person-of-interest-in-boston-bombing-still-set-to-be-deported-on-tuesday-93084/) with the full blessing of the U.S. government. Why is there such a rush to get him out of the United States?

#12 Why aren’t we being told that Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi was photographed with two other Saudis (http://shoebat.com/2013/04/17/innocent-saudi-spotted-with-two-other-saudis-at-marathon/) in the vicinity of the Boston marathon bombings?

#13 Why aren’t we being told of the shocking familial links that Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi has to known members of al-Qaeda? The following is from research complied by Walid Shoebat (http://shoebat.com/2013/04/17/innocent-saudi-has-ties-to-several-al-qaeda-terrorists/)…
Many from Al-Harbi’s clan are steeped in terrorism and are members of Al-Qaeda. Out of a list of 85 terrorists (http://aalhameed1.net/vb/showthread.php?t=1565) listed by the Saudi government shows several of Al-Harbi clan to have been active fighters in Al-Qaeda:
#15 Badr Saud Uwaid Al-Awufi Al-Harbi
#73 Muhammad Atiq Uwaid Al-Awufi Al-Harbi
#26 Khalid Salim Uwaid Al-Lahibi Al-Harbi
#29 Raed Abdullah Salem Al-Thahiri Al-Harbi
#43 Abdullah Abdul Rahman Muhammad Al-Harbi (leader)
#60 Fayez Ghuneim Humeid Al-Hijri Al-Harbi
Source: http://aalhameed1.net/vb/showthread.php?t=1565

Then you have Al-Harbi clan members in Gitmo:
Salim Salman Awadallah Al-Sai’di Al-Harbi
Majid Abdullah Hussein Al-Harbi
Muhammad Abdullah Saqr Al-Alawi Al-Harbi
Ghanem Abdul Rahman Ghanem Al-Harbi
Muhammad Atiq Uwaid Al-Awfi Al-Harbi
Source: http://www.muslm.net/vb/showthread.php?169019-أسماء-(90)-سعودياً-لا-زالوا-محتجزين-في-جوانتانامو (http://www.muslm.net/vb/showthread.php?169019-%D8%A3%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A1-%2890%29-%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%8B-%D9%84%D8%A7-%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%AC%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%88)

There are specific Saudi clans that are rife with members of Al-Qaeda, which makes it quite alarming as to why nearly a hundred thousand student visas are issued to these. Americans are clueless as to clan ties when it comes to terrorism.
#14 Why did U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry have a private meeting (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/041813-652517-boston-bombing-timeline-suggests-obama-saudi-coverup.htm) with a Saudi foreign minister shortly after Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi was identified as a potential suspect?

#15 Why did Barack Obama hold an unscheduled meeting (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-meets-saudi-foreign-minister-discusses-syria-222943974.html) with the ambassador from Saudi Arabia shortly after Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi was identified as a potential suspect?

#16 Why did Michelle Obama (http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/saudi-paper-michelle-o-visited-person-of-interest/) visit Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi in the hospital?

#17 Why did numerous mainstream media outlets openly suggest that “right-wing extremists (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/04/15/CNN-National-Security-Analyst-Right-Wing-Extremists-Could-Be-Behind-Bombing)” were behind the bombings in the immediate aftermath of the attack?
Are there any other unanswered questions that you would add to this list? Please feel free to share your thoughts by leaving a comment below…


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[RunningDeer]

Are there any other unanswered questions that you would add to this list? Please feel free to share your thoughts by leaving a comment below…

Identical list from "The Daily Sheeple (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/17-unanswered-questions-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask_042013)."

I'm assuming this post is for everyone on the forum. If not you'll have to spell it out for me.

Message for Vivek. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=665020&viewfull=1#post665020)

[Kimberley]

Ok here is the "News" from Glenn Beck tonight... I am listening as I post this... (I am not a big Glenn Beck fan however respect his research). I am just the messenger of more pieces of the puzzle.... :peace:


Glenn Beck Breaks Exclusive Information On Saudi National

mnteiJ0aAL4

[Vitalux]

If the bomb was beside the mail box :confused:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbqR_ZL-wHCSLJ8W3pAQlZdwCmw03a4LlCBdZ4WCflwr_KxHdANNfhVsWkKRUpfjRVLW90pEhV_r4_Z80xzr5YLIHsHPs4mlD/article-2310200-1954E0EE000005DC-204_964x578.jpg?psid=1


then how come there is no damage to the mail box, one would think it would have been damaged or something :confused:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbepu3y6FFR70pAtTie3iSHTjSy0wWHfWZZ-lGNXaCsPd9unvRFYokYVJJTsiEge7oxLdXbrvYVZXKivvlrDehKVBRxfr-Z6q/article-2310200-1954E0F5000005DC-185_964x617.jpg?psid=1