Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

[Vitalux]

Ok here is the "News" from Glenn Beck tonight... I am listening as I post this... (I am not a big Glenn Beck fan however respect his research). I am just the messenger of more pieces of the puzzle.... :peace:


Glenn Beck Breaks Exclusive Information On Saudi National


I have not been this confused at watching this...

So this was the ultra big secrete that was going to spring American's into affirmative action :noidea:

blame it on the brown people again? :noidea:

[SilentFeathers]

If the bomb was beside the mail box :confused: then how come there is no damage to the mail box, one would think it would have been damaged or something :confused:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbepu3y6FFR70pAtTie3iSHTjSy0wWHfWZZ-lGNXaCsPd9unvRFYokYVJJTsiEge7oxLdXbrvYVZXKivvlrDehKVBRxfr-Z6q/article-2310200-1954E0F5000005DC-185_964x617.jpg?psid=1

Obviously it's a bomb proof mailbox painted with shrapnel proof paint :laugh::laugh:

[Spix]

In my mind it's either a cover up for something.

[Hervé]

If the bomb was beside the mail box :confused:

then how come there is no damage to the mail box, one would think it would have been damaged or something :confused:



... errr... I guess the bomb was only designed to maim people... not to pierce through armored vehicles... didn't even seem to have affected the tree much... (see post # 494 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665010&viewfull=1#post665010) <--- )

Hence the experts' assumption of low velocity explosives having been used to make these bombs.

Again, according to the "pros" in the field (see previous posts somewhere way back), these were shaped-charge devices designed by other "pros" to have a main horizontal vector and a very little vertical one and, most probably, also having a very definite directional sector within that horizontal component.

[Spix]

With the trigger vest. As was shown that the three men that did have the backpacks, they would show a lot of suspicious clues, maybe a trigger bomb with those men in some areas.

[gigha]

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. ... He lost both legs below the knee. "He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me'," Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview. ...

While still in intensive care, Jeff Bauman gave the FBI a description of the man he saw, his brother said. Bauman’s information helped investigators narrow down whom to look for in hours of video of the attack, he said.All right...

... Jeff...

... here:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1paDJQ3UlbBoDS5JUQhmhNLRppThmWoTllHJYEja_BzEnWW71I5RCLraeLB74Xk9uRq8yvTheFNmQerAySanQdyfd7975Lz8ng/LiveLeak-dot-com-.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p8Fj-aeBgAtG6eQWldsna4sALxtixqBbOEMieyBgqb0KMZNGU4q3xZtvo6U_Oc1tjhK-JFnfp9odDqtBIQTsklfkmat869czd/article-2309545-1950CDAB000005DC-672_964x494.jpg?psid=1


Guy holding his cowboy hat in his hand and who helped wheel Jeff out being nearby...



... blast...

... well ... way over there:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg


... is there something wrong with the painted picture in the quote above?

Makes me wonder what was told and shown to him while he was in anesthetic dream land? You know... MKultra type of conditioning of a credible witness...



Just skimming this thread again from the start and I have a question about this Jeff Bauman guy. I noticed in this post by Amzer Zo the first photo shows Jeff behind the woman in the red and black top not very far from her.
Behind her is a woman being attended to by someone in a yellow top, in front of her is also a very big orange bag.

In the second image the bag is gone there is no sign of Jeff, instead there is a woman in dark pants a bloodied white top. The woman in the red and black top has virtually not moved. There is probably more. :noidea:

Thanks Amzer Zo for the earlier reply, it helped fill in a couple of things I hope, there is so much to try and take in.

gigha

[Referee]

Big Slip by Boston PD... Calls The brothers Actors

4khUbXc5oGs

[turiya]

I am sure that most of you have heard of "Crisis Actors".... now get ready for...

Battlefield: Amputee ACTORS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFcKcFWCM5Y

turiya :cool:

[Vitalux]

Big Slip by Boston PD... Calls The brothers Actors



Source (GOD) works in mysterious ways now don't it :high5:

[JohnEAngel]

having watched a hundred or more episodes of Cops and other similar shows it seems that i have heard them (police) speaking of certain individuals who had alledgedly committed an offense, as actors, but i could be wrong.

[ThePythonicCow]

Big Slip by Boston PD... Calls The brothers Actors
That's an ambiguous slip, in my estimation. The word "actors" also has some more innocuous meanings, such as "persons doing some action". Given that this is a successful bureaucrat speaking, such convoluted use of terms might be his normal way of talking in such situations.

[Hervé]

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. ... He lost both legs below the knee. "He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me'," Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview. ...

While still in intensive care, Jeff Bauman gave the FBI a description of the man he saw, his brother said. Bauman’s information helped investigators narrow down whom to look for in hours of video of the attack, he said.All right...

... Jeff...

... here:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1paDJQ3UlbBoDS5JUQhmhNLRppThmWoTllHJYEja_BzEnWW71I5RCLraeLB74Xk9uRq8yvTheFNmQerAySanQdyfd7975Lz8ng/LiveLeak-dot-com-.jpg?psid=1


[...]

... blast...

... well ... way over there:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg


... is there something wrong with the painted picture in the quote above?

Makes me wonder what was told and shown to him while he was in anesthetic dream land? You know... MKultra type of conditioning of a credible witness...




Just skimming this thread again from the start and I have a question about this Jeff Bauman guy. I noticed in this post by Amzer Zo the first photo shows Jeff behind the woman in the red and black top not very far from her.
Behind her is a woman being attended to by someone in a yellow top, in front of her is also a very big orange bag.

In the second image the bag is gone there is no sign of Jeff, instead there is a woman in dark pants a bloodied white top. The woman in the red and black top has virtually not moved. There is probably more. :noidea:

Thanks Amzer Zo for the earlier reply, it helped fill in a couple of things I hope, there is so much to try and take in.

gigha

My point was that Jeff Bauman was located way away from the blast spot to have had someone drop a bag full of explosives at his feet.

I am not sure what you are trying to convey but if you have an idea, why not fluff it up with some evidence?

Personally, I can put up a sequence that satisfies all the so-called discrepancies but I have no evidence that it's also a valid time sequence.

What's confusing are the different pictures from various angles of the scene; so, what I suggest is to take the pavement pattern as a frame of reference and from there one can unravel the puzzle.

[Hip Hipnotist]

having watched a hundred or more episodes of Cops and other similar shows it seems that i have heard them (police) speaking of certain individuals who had alledgedly committed an offense, as actors, but i could be wrong.

If I may correct you:

The term used by most, if not all, law enforcement officers for a person involved in criminal activity is -- dirtbag.

Actor is way too dignified. Although there are some actors I'd call dirtbags. Like the ones who may have been involved in the topic at hand -- not to mention those that may have hired them.

[Vitalux]

Big Slip by Boston PD... Calls The brothers Actors
That's an ambiguous slip, in my estimation. The word "actors" also has some more innocuous meanings, such as "persons doing some action". Given that this is a successful bureaucrat speaking, such convoluted use of terms might be his normal way of talking in such situations.

I have never seen this before with police referring to suspects, or perps, as actors :confused:

My father was a cop, and I never heard this term....for assailant :confused:

Perhaps with the thousands of hours of "Cops) or other Hollywood police shows, live news shows, etc, someone could find more examples in youtube blurts.

[gigha]

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. ... He lost both legs below the knee. "He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me'," Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview. ...

While still in intensive care, Jeff Bauman gave the FBI a description of the man he saw, his brother said. Bauman’s information helped investigators narrow down whom to look for in hours of video of the attack, he said.All right...

... Jeff...

... here:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1paDJQ3UlbBoDS5JUQhmhNLRppThmWoTllHJYEja_BzEnWW71I5RCLraeLB74Xk9uRq8yvTheFNmQerAySanQdyfd7975Lz8ng/LiveLeak-dot-com-.jpg?psid=1


[...]

... blast...

... well ... way over there:


http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg


... is there something wrong with the painted picture in the quote above?

Makes me wonder what was told and shown to him while he was in anesthetic dream land? You know... MKultra type of conditioning of a credible witness...




Just skimming this thread again from the start and I have a question about this Jeff Bauman guy. I noticed in this post by Amzer Zo the first photo shows Jeff behind the woman in the red and black top not very far from her.
Behind her is a woman being attended to by someone in a yellow top, in front of her is also a very big orange bag.

In the second image the bag is gone there is no sign of Jeff, instead there is a woman in dark pants a bloodied white top. The woman in the red and black top has virtually not moved. There is probably more. :noidea:

Thanks Amzer Zo for the earlier reply, it helped fill in a couple of things I hope, there is so much to try and take in.

gigha

My point was that Jeff Bauman was located way away from the blast spot to have had someone drop a bag full of explosives at his feet.

I am not sure what you are trying to convey but if you have an idea, why not fluff it up with some evidence?

Personally, I can put up a sequence that satisfies all the so-called discrepancies but I have no evidence that it's also a valid time sequence.

What's confusing are the different pictures from various angles of the scene; so, what I suggest is to take the pavement pattern as a frame of reference and from there one can unravel the puzzle.

Hi Amzer Zo i guess i did miss your point.

I was only commenting on the discrepancies i noticed in the photos. What any of it means to me is still a mystery.

I had noticed the pavement and hope to do as you suggest.

gigha

[ThePythonicCow]

I have never seen this before with police referring to suspects, or perps, as actors :confused:
I suspect that cops that rise to heads of large organizations, when talking to the media over a major news item of the day, talk differently than most cops, most of the time.

I'm not saying this wasn't a telling slip of the tongue; I'm just saying I've no clue and I can imagine it either way.

[InCiDeR]

I am curious what kind of bomb rips your clothes apart, but not leave a scratch anywhere on your body:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pCkohScfLysd-gepiR6m41kHLl8X0RL0guzbbjZum24fF21p_9QYyprdIIUw5oZS1-jnZGlw5DM8cGl4uJyFnlziZbPfcCkhY/boston-victim-011.jpg?psid=1

If that is the case, maybe that explains why the mail box didn't have a scratch either. On the other hand, the bomb was strong enough to cut through bones as it apparently did with one of the victims who lost his legs!?

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbepu3y6FFR70pAtTie3iSHTjSy0wWHfWZZ-lGNXaCsPd9unvRFYokYVJJTsiEge7oxLdXbrvYVZXKivvlrDehKVBRxfr-Z6q/article-2310200-1954E0F5000005DC-185_964x617.jpg?psid=1

Something is not adding up in this equation, or am I missing something?!

[ThePythonicCow]

Something is not adding up in this equation, or am I missing something?!
The injuries that I've seen were from the other bomb, closer to the finish line, that was set next to a building and the watching crowd.

This bomb next to the mailbox doesn't seem to have done as much damage. It apparently was on the other side of the fence from the people, and perhaps was weaker.

[SilentFeathers]

Check this out> it does make one wonder.

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[InCiDeR]

Something is not adding up in this equation, or am I missing something?!
The injuries that I've seen were from the other bomb, closer to the finish line, that was set next to a building and the watching crowd.

This bomb next to the mailbox doesn't seem to have done as much damage. It apparently was on the other side of the fence from the people, and perhaps was weaker.

Thank you Paul. Yes, I figured that might be the case. But then next question arise. From where did all injured people come from then? There weren't 180 injured people from the first bomb blast alone, meaning that the second blast must have caused some damage as well. According to some information, it actually caused more injuries than the first one. So, I still feel that the equation doesn't add up!

EDIT: I also wonder: if they put up so much effort to make two bombs... why make one of them much weaker than the other? If I was building two bombs I would do them exactly the same!

[Vitalux]

I am curious what kind of bomb rips your clothes apart, but not leave a scratch anywhere on your body:






I hope you don't mind,, but I liked your photo and words and put them together.
I would like to post this on facebook.

thanks

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af356/stuarburstphotography/boston-victim-011-s_zpsdc004870.jpg (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/stuarburstphotography/media/boston-victim-011-s_zpsdc004870.jpg.html)

[InCiDeR]

...
I hope you don't mind,, but I liked your photo and words and put them together.
I would like to post this on facebook...

Not at all Vitalux, be my guest!

[RMorgan]

I was thinking about something here...

Now I know why Hollywood movies are so badly written...They make stupid movies so the public gets used to bad scripts like the one which was used to orchestrate this "terrorist" attack.

This script is so full of holes that it may even fit for a movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as a heroic FBI agent.

[jackovesk]

This is WHY, I (DON'T TRUST) Glen Beck..!

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/themes/TheBlaze/images/theblaze_logo_2x.png

From (The Blaze)

Gov. Patrick: ‘Chilling’ Video Shows Bombing Suspect Drop His Bag & Take Cover

Apr. 21, 2013

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Screen-Shot-2013-04-21-at-6.42.05-PM-620x400.png

WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick on Sunday revealed more information about the crucial moments before the bombs exploded at the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and injuring at least 180.

Speaking on “Meet the Press,” the governor said surveillance video from the attack shows one suspect dropping his backpack and calmly walking away before the bomb inside exploded. It clearly puts 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at the scene of the attack, he added.

“It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion,” Patrick remarked. “It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly.”

Patrick said he hasn’t actually viewed the videotape, but has been briefed by law enforcement officials about it.

Watch his entire interview (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/21/gov-patrick-chilling-video-shows-bombing-suspect-dropping-his-bag-taking-cover/), courtesy of NBC News, below:

Investigators have determined the bombs were fashioned from pressure cookers packed with explosives, nails and ball bearings and hidden in black backpacks.

Tsarnaev was captured Friday after being pulled bloody and wounded from a tarp-covered boat in a suburban Boston backyard. He is being guarded by armed officers while he recovers at a Boston hospital. He is in serious condition and hasn’t been able to communicate with investigators.

His 26-year-old brother and alleged accomplice, Tamerlan, died earlier Friday after a battle with police — and being run over by his little brother with an SUV.

The brothers are also suspected of killing an MIT police officer Thursday and severely injuring a transit officer.

“There are lots of questions about how and why,” the governor concluded, and investigators will work to provide answers in the coming days and weeks.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/21/gov-patrick-chilling-video-shows-bombing-suspect-dropping-his-bag-taking-cover/

PS - Could you see him (Dropping the Bag)..??? I couldn't...:nono:




Speaking on “Meet the Press,” the governor said surveillance video from the attack shows one suspect dropping his backpack and calmly walking away before the bomb inside exploded. It clearly puts 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at the scene of the attack, he added.

“It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion,” Patrick remarked. “It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuKNIUqobQs

After viewing the NBC Video I was...


suspect took the backpack off

Looking :shocked: Looking :shocked: Looking :shocked:..?????????

As most know, the is a video on You Tube depicting the (Ghosting Theory) of the exact footage in question...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJsUB7SaBXA

Black Backpacks...(???)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVON5eq7nQ

PS - I am Ok with the 21-2-3b (Saudi National) stuff though...

[InCiDeR]

Patrick said he hasn’t actually viewed the videotape, but has been briefed by law enforcement officials about it.

Investigators have determined the bombs were fashioned from pressure cookers packed with explosives, nails and ball bearings and hidden in black backpacks.



He hasn't viewed the videotape... and neither have we!!! When will they release this proof to the public?
Black backpack? The brothers didn't have black backpacks... so from where did they get those?

This is getting worse for every single day :(

[ThePythonicCow]

This is WHY, I (DON'T TRUST) Glen Beck..!

From (The Blaze)




Gov. Patrick: ‘Chilling’ Video Shows Bombing Suspect Drop His Bag & Take Cover

Apr. 21, 2013


WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick on Sunday revealed more information about the crucial moments before the bombs exploded at the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and injuring at least 180.

Speaking on “Meet the Press,” the governor said surveillance video from the attack shows one suspect dropping his backpack and calmly walking away before the bomb inside exploded. It clearly puts 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at the scene of the attack, he added.

“It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion,” Patrick remarked. “It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly.”

Patrick said he hasn’t actually viewed the videotape, but has been briefed by law enforcement officials about it.

Either Governor Patrick is talking about some other video tape than what Meet The Press played while the Governor was talking, or else the Governor is clueless what's on the tape he's talking about.

Either way, I cannot draw any useful conclusions about how trustworthy anyone else is in this confusion :).

[SilentFeathers]

Accused Bombers’ Firefight With Police Revives Gun Debate
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/accused-bombers-firefight-with-police-revives-gun-debate.html

But, this video below is even a larger threat we are facing....

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[Hervé]

I am curious what kind of bomb rips your clothes apart, but not leave a scratch anywhere on your body:






I hope you don't mind,, but I liked your photo and words and put them together.
I would like to post this on facebook.

thanks


http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af356/stuarburstphotography/boston-victim-011-s_zpsdc004870.jpg (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/stuarburstphotography/media/boston-victim-011-s_zpsdc004870.jpg.html)



No scratches on his legs?

:jaw:

[jackovesk]

Just (WHO) is telling the TRUTH..?

The (Alternative Media)..?

URGENT: Boston Bombing Suspects’ Aunt ID’s Naked/Alive Detainee as Slain Nephew – FBI Lies

April 22nd, 2013

Independent investigative journalist Dan Dicks of Press For Truth produced a videodetailing his interview with the Boston bombing suspects’ aunt where she identifies a naked, cuffed, clearly alive and well detainee seen in video aired by CNN, as her nephew and Boston bombing suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Tamerlan Tsarnaev would later be announced “dead,” with injuries covering his body from “head to toe.” The aunt is reportedly in fear for her life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-C6Z0YEGM&feature=player_embedded

As an increasing number of inconsistencies and outright lies accumulate regarding the FBI’s handling of the case, protection must be provided to the suspects’ family. Members of the alternative media with the resources and the ability to provide protective watch over family members, seems a prudent measure to both protect innocent lives and to further pursue the truth.

The FBI Has Now Lied Big, TWICE

The FBI originally feigned ignorance over the identity of the two Boston bombing suspects, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, as they appealed to an unwitting public to help them “identify” and “find” the suspects.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZRzB_nYkFQ&feature=player_embedded

The Tsarnaev brothers’ family, immediately after their identities were confirmed by Boston police and the FBI, claimed that the FBI had contacted the suspects years ago and had monitored their activity for years since. The mother of the suspects claimed to Russia Today that her sons were set up by the FBI. Russia Today, in an article titled, “‘They were set up, FBI followed them for years’- Tsarnaevs’ mother to RT,” stated of the suspects’ mother:

But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.

She would say of the FBI to Russia Today:

“They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”

Additionally, the suspects’ uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, told NBC news in an article titled, “Uncle: Mentors ‘radicalized’ older Boston bombing suspect,” that:

“I strongly believe they were just puppets and executors of something of bigger scale.”

“There certainly were mentors. I was shocked when I heard his words, his phrases, when every other word he starts sticking in words of God. I question what he’s doing for work, (and) he claimed he would just put everything in the will of God. It was a big concern to me. He called me ‘confused’ when I started explaining to him, make yourself useful to yourself and to your family and maybe you’ll have extra to share with everybody else.

“It wasn’t devotion, it was something, as it’s called, being radicalized. Not understanding what he is talking (about). He is just using words for the sake of the words and not understanding the meaning of it.’’

CBS would report that the FBI would initially deny having any prior contact with the suspects. In their report, “CBS News: FBI Interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev 2 Years Ago,” CBS claimed:

CBS News reports although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers’ mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.

The FBI would then be forced to concede that indeed it had interviewed the suspects, in 2011, two years before the Boston bombings. Finally disclosed on April 19, 2013 in an official statement that can be found on FBI.govthe FBI would state:

The two individuals believed to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday have been positively identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, now deceased, and Dzhokar Tsarnaev, now in custody. These individuals are brothers and residents of Massachusetts. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a legal permanent resident and Dzhokar Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Charges have not yet been filed against Dzhokar Tsarnaev and he is presumed innocent.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, age 26, was previously designated as Suspect 1, wearing a black hat. Dzhokar A. Tsarnaev, age 19, was designated as Suspect 2, wearing a white hat. Both were born in Kyrgyzstan.

Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.

In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government.

However, the case was not “closed,” as the FBI claims. It is now revealed that the “foreign government” that asked the FBI for information on Tamerlan Tsarnaev was Russia, and that Russia again contacted the FBI 6 months ago after the suspect traveled to Russia’s Caucasus region and was apparently in contact with terrorists, long-revealed to be supported, funded, and coddled by the US.

The British Daily Mail in their article titled, “Russia asked FBI to investigate bomber just 6 MONTHS ago after being spotted with ‘a militant’ on trip to Dagestan: Was it this known terrorist who Boston killer liked on YouTube?,” would state:

Speculation is growing that one of the Boston bombers met a known Jihadist terrorist in 2011 – as it emerged the FBI failed to follow up on a Russian tip that he was seen with an Islamic militant six times.

The Daily Mail would also report that:

The FBI has confirmed that Russia alerted the agency in 2011 that Tsarnaev had ties to ‘radical Islam’ groups in his homeland. Homeland Security sources have also revealed the agency received tips in 2012 about his ties to extremists connected to a Boston mosque.

The FBI is confirmed to be serial liars engaged in a coverup, revealing information about its long-standing relationship with the Boston bombing suspects only when cornered by a mounting body of evidence. Inconceivable then, that the US government and the American public have entrusted the investigation of the Boston bombings to the FBI who is clearly obstructing justice.

Now more than ever, crowd-sourced investigation must be conducting into photographs and video that may reveal the true events that transpired before and after the Boston Marathon bombings. Journalists across the alternative media must interview and draw public attention to the suspects’ family in order to protect them and bring to light any information that may reveal the true nature of the increasingly suspicious relationship the FBI had with the suspects for years prior to the bombings.

Saving the Ship – Establishment Using “Double Agents,” “Islamophobia” to “Seal Off” Compromised Operation

Already the establishment, like a ship striking an iceberg and taking on water, is racing around to compartmentalize and seal off each agency and political faction involved to keep the rest of the establishment afloat. The FBI’s attempt to feign ignorance has failed, and it appears that at least Israeli sources are trying to prepare ahead of time for revelations that may indeed reveal the suspects were working directly for the FBI.

Israel’s Debka proposes in their report, “The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap,” that:

The conclusion reached by debkafile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.

A more likely explanation, however, is that the FBI led the suspects along in yet another manufactured terror attack that was allowed to go “live.” The FBI has an extensive history (see: NYT: FBI Hatches Terror Plots) of not only providing targets with weapons, explosives, vehicles and plans engineered from start to finish by undercover FBI agents, but has also allowed these operations to go “live,” as was seen in New York City in 1993 during the World Trade Center bombing.

FBI agents, according to the New York Times, were indeed overseeing the bombers that detonated a device killing six and wounding many more at the World Trade Center. In their article, “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast,” NYT reported:

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars.

Debka is attempting to preempt what would essentially be the revealing of the US-Saudi-Israeli international false-flag/terror racket, used to perpetuate a global hegemonic war that has produced for all those involved trillions of dollars in profits and unprecedented geopolitical preeminence. Operations where this true axis of terror is currently running, such as the ongoing sectarian bloodbath in Syria, would be endangered, if not entirely foiled, should the Boston bombings be traced directly back to an FBI false-flag operation.

Failing to spin the FBI’s involvement as either an intelligence failure or explained away by “double agents,” the faux-right is preparing to pry off the the entire faux-left, using its Islamophobia-racket to play out the “Obama the Muslim” narrative (see: “”Obama the Muslim:” Ploy to Cover-up Years of US-Al Qaeda Support“). By doing so, at least half of the establishment’s “ship” will remain afloat in the wake of revelations the US killed and horribly maimed its own citizens in a false flag operation.

While America’s political establishment appears to be divided neatly into “left” and “right” camps, in reality, a singular corporate-financier oligarchy runs a singular agenda, compartmentalized for just these sort of situations. Lies regarding “weapons of mass destruction” and a horrific 10 year war that left millions dead, maimed, displaced or otherwise effected, can be jettisoned with the Bush Administration. And while the arming and funding of Al Qaeda occurred throughout the Bush Administration, it appears that the establishment is preparing to jettison US support for Al Qaeda with the Obama Administration.

It is essential to understand and identify the corporate-financier interests that rise above partisan politics and have profited from the continued “War on Terror” under both the Bush and Obama Administrations. It is then essential to understand the key to undermining and ultimately throwing off this insidious co-opt of America, its people, and its destiny, is to boycott and replace permanently with local alternatives, the corporate-financier interests behind it.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/urgent-boston-bombing-suspects-aunt-ids-nakedalive-detainee-as-slain-nephew-fbi-lies.html

...or the (MSM) response..?

Who was Boston's naked man?

From: news.com.au
April 23, 2013 2:54PM


Boston suspect finally speaks
'Free Jahar': Suspect's cult fans
Flap over Naked Man conspiracy theories


http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/04/23/1226627/013396-naked-man-boston.jpg
Police have not identified the 'Naked Man' - fuelling conspiracy theories. Source: news.com.au

IT'S one of the enduring mysteries of the chaos in Boston last week. Just who was the naked man law enforcement authorities paraded in front of the cameras?

After the shooting of a police officer at MIT and the high-speed chase through Watertown that followed, the Boston Police arrested and questioned a man and ordered him to strip. CNN broadcast footage of the nude man being escorted by police to a waiting wagon.

It was a riveting moment in the foggy TV coverage of the issue, where it (wrongly) seemed like there was resolution to the case.

But days later the naked man has yet to come forward, and the Watertown police department has not clarified the man’s identity – fuelling conspiracy theories about the man’s identity.

Several online conspiracy theorists claim the world is being hoodwinked by Boston law enforcement and that the naked man was one of the terrorists who caused the chaos, Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

The claims, fuelled by an interview that aired on US television where Tsarnaev’s aunt identified the naked man as “100 per cent” Tamerlan, were today rubbished by the Watertown police department.

Official accounts of the incident said Tamerlan died after a lengthy shootout with law enforcement agents. Doctors said Tsarnaev’s body was riddled with massive penetrating injuries. He immediately went into cardiac arrest upon arrival at hospital and was later pronounced dead.

A man who was caught up in the case when the Tsarnaev brothers hijacked his SUV has yet to publicly speak about the case.

Law enforcement officials told The New York Times that this man was released, uninjured, at a gas station and he then called the police.

The Naked Man mystery continues. But he has become an object of a different kind of fascination, too. Author Michael Patrick said on Twitter he was “an inspiration to all of us to get back to the gym”, adding that a similar situation could happen to you.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-america/who-was-bostons-naked-man/story-fnh81jut-1226627017169

PS - The (MSM-SPIN)


The claims, fuelled by an interview that aired on US television where Tsarnaev’s aunt identified the naked man as “100 per cent” Tamerlan, were today rubbished by the Watertown police department.


The Naked Man mystery continues. But he has become an object of a different kind of fascination, too. Author Michael Patrick said on Twitter he was “an inspiration to all of us to get back to the gym”, adding that a similar situation could happen to you.

PSS - I for one don't know if the naked man in custody is Tamerlan Tsarnaev..?

But - What (I DO KNOW) is the next Headline from the MSM will be along these lines...

The (Conspiracy Theorists) 'Naked Man' Identified

Text:

Suffice to say the Conspiracy Theorists got it wrong again...(We 'TOLD' you so)..!

PSSS - In closing...

(EVERY SINGLE TIME) you see the MSM knocking the general public, describing us as Wacko Conspiracy Theorists, not only lowers the standard of journalism (Us vs Them). It just tells me (WE) the (Citizen Journalists) are not only having a major impact on reporting the TRUTH...

But moreso, (WE) are (Winning) the INFOWAR...:yes4:

So (Keep it up) - Keep telling the (TRUTH)...:thumb:

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Did the FBI phone Boston suspect before fatal shootout?

http://www.channel4.com/news/boston-bombings-questions-raised-by-telephone-call-claim


The father of the Boston bombing suspects claims to Channel 4 News that the FBI telephoned his elder son after the attack, and prior to a fatal shootout that claimed the life of a police officer.


The father of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Anzor, told Channel 4 News that the elder brother had telephoned their mother a few days after the bombings.

Mr Tsarnaev was speaking by telephone to Channel 4 News filmmaker Nick Sturdee (pictured below), who is in Makhachkala, Dagestan. The father said Tamerlan contacted his mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, two or three days after the bombing.

Tamerlan told her the FBI had just rung him and accused him of being behind the attacks, and that he had responded by saying "that's your problem", Mr Tsarnaev claims.

The telephone call claim raises a number of questions.

On the one hand the claim could be false. It follows suggestions by both parents that the FBI had been monitoring Tamerlan for years and could be part of efforts to defend the brothers. Another possiblity is that the telephone call was Tamerlan preparing his mother for bad news.

If the claim is true, then it raises questions over the FBI handling of the investigation into the Boston bombings.

People will be asking about how the alleged telephone call may have fitted into the chain of events - from the attack itself up to the firefight that took place three days later, in which a police officer, as well as Tamerlan, was killed.

The FBI in Boston told Channel 4 News they currently won't confirm or deny any claims about their involvement.

They are waiting to question Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who is under armed guard in hospital, and reported to be in a serious condition. He was caught in the early hours of Saturday morning.

Boston Mayor Tom Menino said on Sunday that authorities may never be able to question 19-year-old Dzhokhar, who is said to be seriously injured and unable to speak.

[Muzz]

My 2c for what its worth. I some experience of dealing with injuries.

In regard to casualties nothing I seen so far in the pictures jumps out at me as obviously fake. Blood can look like that. All the wounds and the behaviour of the casualties I have seen before. In one of the pictures you can make out what may be the severed part of the wheel chair guys foot. It is possible for someone to survive an injury like that.

As far as the clothes being ripped off with no apparent injury, again from experience, this is possible. Thin clothing could easliy fail under the shock wave while skin (which is way tougher than most think) would appear unscathed or only show some bruising later on.

Airbags in cars have to have a special lubricant added (the white powder you see when set off) to prevent the material ripping itself apart under the shock. And that's toughened purpose built material. Picture one tiny bit of debri passing through the clothing but missing the wearer. Once that rip is created its very easy to spread with the force of the blast. In this scenario there would be no obvious injury to the body. The blast looked more like a deflagration than a detonation but if you were close enough to the source this effect would still be possible.

Is there a possibility we are focusing too much on this area of investigation? The fact remains that people are dead and injured. If they did use some skullduggery to make it look worse can I suggest that it may not be the most important part of this to spend our energy on. The range of weird things the human body is capable of will make it very difficult to really know looking at pictures. We could go round in circles here for a while.

Everyone is doing a sterling effort to get to the bottom of this. Can I suggest there are other things such as investigating those craft contractors, who the alleged bombers were, connections to FBI etc. that would be a better use of our time.

[dianna]

Freudian Slip??

FYXmhBNz5D0

[Cidersomerset]

Freudian slip !! This and the amputee actor vids I posted earlier in the thread tells
me and many of you this does not feel right apart from all the other anlysis
everyone is looking at. The best way to hide something is in plane sight,
a mix of real and make believe / mind control straight from the movies !



FYXmhBNz5D0


Re: Explosions at Boston marathon # 418



Well they definitely exist Dennis....I never really thought about it.
I knew they do reconstructions but as shown on 9/11 anything
is possible to deceive the public. Good 'Spidey' sences ..LOL...



The commentator at the start of the piece says " on this simulated
battlefield its hard to determined whats real and whats not".
" A movie set turned training ground"

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Published on 5 Dec 2012


Brooke Baldwin talks to CNN's Poppy Harlow about amputees training soldiers for
combat situations.




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Actually I did post a link on one of the other threads that David Icke posted
this morning ....

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013...ston-fake.html


So let there be 'NO' doubt they have all the toys in the toy box to make this happen!!

Whether they did ? Well my gut feeling says something is deffinately not right with
all this....Looking at the bigger picture these events usually happen to hide
something, push thru legislation.Or maybe the boys in the psyops dept were
just bored and thought it time to scare the public. CISPA has just sliped thru.
An interesting twist on how to make fomer 'Freedom' fighters go back to
terrorist status. This would help the Russians in their fight.

Deliberately snuffing Russian intelligence ? or incompetence ? Or an opportunity ?


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'US backed Chechen 'freedom fighters', faces fallout of 'enemy's enemy' policy'


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Published on 23 Apr 2013


Despite being of Chechen descent, the alleged bombers spent most of their lives in
the US after their parents applied for asylum. Both were rare visitors to Russia, but
this didn't stop Moscow from raising the alarm over possible terrorist intentions of
the older brother. RT's Gayane Chichakyan reports on why the concerns failed to
prevent the Boston tragedy.

Also, James Petras, Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, believes the
US is walking on very thin ice, when it backs questionable armed factions elsewhere
in the world.


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The big problem with the RT piece above which sounds genuine. Why would
the Chechens attack their allies in the US ? That's pure stupidity !

That for me brings it back to a "OPERTUNITY" for a 'False Flag ' ??

[Cidersomerset]

Boston bomb suspects' mother Zubeidat Tsarnaeva tells Channel 4 News: 'FBI......

http://i1.ytimg.com/i/TrQ7HXWRRxr7OsOtodr2_w/1.jpg?v=a2bac9

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Published on 23 Apr 2013


Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, mother of the Boston bombing suspects,
tells Channel 4 News the FBI called her years ago to ask if her
eldest son Tamerlan could be radicalised and that her children
have been set-up.

[InCiDeR]

I was thinking of another peculiar thing today - where are the injured?

Have anyone seen any interview with a person that actually got injured?

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that the media giving them some space after the horrifying event... but honestly, that is very uncommon for the media to give them that space.

Not one interview with the people that actually have some information first hand, not even with the people taking care of the injured, except Carlos (or what his name was) that took care of the guy that lost his legs.

---

What about that MIT Policeman that supposedly got killed by the two brothers. What happened to him? No information anymore regarding this tragic event either?!

I found some information regarding the policeman:

http://nation.time.com/2013/04/19/mit-campus-police-officer-injured-in-shooting/

...A Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer was shot and killed at the campus outside Boston, authorities said early Friday. No arrests had been made, and a manhunt was on for the shooter....

...The officer was responding to report of a disturbance Thursday night when he was shot multiple times, according to a statement from the Middlesex district attorney’s office and Cambridge police. It said there were no other victims....

(Further down in same article)... The officer was critically injured in an early morning shootout Friday with the two suspects in the marathon bombings. One of the suspects was killed.
First they say no arrest have been made and they looking for the shooter... later they say that it was a shootout and the shooter got killed!


http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/obit-officer-sean-collier-0419.html

...Collier was shot Thursday evening following an altercation at the corner of Vassar Street and Main Street in Cambridge, roughly between Building 32 (Stata Center) and Building 76 (David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research) on the MIT campus. He was transported to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

The MIT Police, Cambridge Police Department and Massachusetts State Police are continuing their investigation of the circumstances surrounding Collier’s death.
If he died during a shootout with the brothers, why the need of an investigation of the circumstances surrounding his dead? It is pretty obvious what caused his dead in that case, isn't it?


Jeez, I wonder if they who planned this false flag operation (if it is a false flag, that is) even know what they doing?

---

EDIT: Found this interesting article regarding the shootout with a video of a suspect on the ground:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/mit-police-officer-killed

...In Watertown, one of two suspects were captured and taken to Beth Israel hospital. Local TV cameras filmed a man dressed in black tracksuit bottoms lying in the middle of the street, his arms splayed, surrounded by armed police...

Hmmmm... just raised more questions!!!!
Who is this guy lying in the street?

[witchy1]

Hi Amer Zo, its not telephoto, Ive enlarged it... did you look at the link http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431 (http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431)

The lady in red moved to this new position. and the guy with hoodie who assisted with putting on the fake amputated legs rolled into this position, here causually chatting - the amputee guy is completly missing.... weird as the fence is still up and the white hat guy is also casually watching and there are no medics or helpers in place.
Its all probably photoshopped!
21236


Some are asking - Did they steal this poor young man's identity?
http://goshennews.com/obituaries/x831624106/Jeffrey-M-Bauman

[crosby]

here is an interesting piece of trivia, (i hope it wasn't posted already, if so, please disregard).......... the Craft logo of the skull comes from the marvel comic "The Punisher" found at this site here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher

pics of it can be seen here: https://www.google.com/search?q=the+punisher+skull&client=firefox-a&hs=BPK&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=CpJ2UdzGOtbF4AOhv4CoDQ&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1360&bih=629

compare to the craft here: http://www.thecraft.com/

i'm sorry that i do not have the pics posted, i just haven't mastered that technique yet. i did find it interesting that the skulls are so closely similar and that perhaps the 'craft' actually refer to themselves as the punishers.......

anyhoo, just a bit of trivia for everyone to take a look at if they want to.
regards, corson

[Cidersomerset]

Many Questions Still Left Unanswered About Boston Bombing

PhslVyYRhNQ

Published on 22 Apr 2013


WeAreChange spent Thursday 4/18 and Friday 4/19 around the Boston area talking
to residents about the recent marathon bombing. We witnessed and spoke to
people who had their houses searched by police for the suspect and we also
interviewed people in the community who knew the Tsarnaev brothers and some
who had attended the marathon. The people that we met seemed wary about the
information they were receiving from the authorities about the marathon and
suspects. Those who knew Dzhokhar Tsarnaev felt that he did not seem like he
could have been the one who committed the bombings and felt that there was a lot
they were not being told about the situation.

[Forevernyt]

Witchy1, the amputee guy is in the image. He's directly behind the woman who was blocking the view. You can see his "stumps" near here shoulders.

[Octavusprime]

Apparently the brother who is alive sustained a gunshot wound to the throat. He is unable to talk. How convenient: mastermind dead and surviving brother unable to speak. It is unclear whether he was injured in a gun battle or whether it was self sustained.

Now the CIA or whoever is behind false flags can write their own narrative, claim he wrote it and then set up a fake suicide... Keeping him alive is their biggest risk. Of course I'm speculating but it just seems way to convenient.

[jackovesk]

I was thinking of another peculiar thing today - where are the injured?

Have anyone seen any interview with a person that actually got injured?

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that the media giving them some space after the horrifying event... but honestly, that is very uncommon for the media to give them that space.

Not one interview with the people that actually have some information first hand, not even with the people taking care of the injured, except Carlos (or what his name was) that took care of the guy that lost his legs.

What about that MIT Policeman that supposedly got killed by the two brothers. What happened to him? No information anymore regarding this tragic event either?!

I found some information regarding the policeman:

http://nation.time.com/2013/04/19/mit-campus-police-officer-injured-in-shooting/

...A Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer was shot and killed at the campus outside Boston, authorities said early Friday. No arrests had been made, and a manhunt was on for the shooter....

...The officer was responding to report of a disturbance Thursday night when he was shot multiple times, according to a statement from the Middlesex district attorney’s office and Cambridge police. It said there were no other victims....

(Further down in same article)... The officer was critically injured in an early morning shootout Friday with the two suspects in the marathon bombings. One of the suspects was killed.
First they say no arrest have been made and they looking for the shooter... later they say that it was a shootout and the shooter got killed!

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/obit-officer-sean-collier-0419.html

...Collier was shot Thursday evening following an altercation at the corner of Vassar Street and Main Street in Cambridge, roughly between Building 32 (Stata Center) and Building 76 (David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research) on the MIT campus. He was transported to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

The MIT Police, Cambridge Police Department and Massachusetts State Police are continuing their investigation of the circumstances surrounding Collier’s death.
If he died during a shootout with the brothers, why the need of an investigation of the circumstances surrounding his dead? It is pretty obvious what caused his dead in that case, isn't it?


Jeez, I wonder if they who planned this false flag operation (if it is a false flag, that is) even know what they doing?

---

EDIT: Found this interesting article regarding the shootout with a video of a suspect on the ground:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/mit-police-officer-killed

...In Watertown, one of two suspects were captured and taken to Beth Israel hospital. Local TV cameras filmed a man dressed in black tracksuit bottoms lying in the middle of the street, his arms splayed, surrounded by armed police...

Hmmmm... just raised more questions!!!!
Who is this guy lying in the street?

Here's the (1st story) I've seen on the injured...

Boston victim Heather Abbott faced with agonizing choice over foot amputation

April 23, 2013

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/04/24/1226628/238423-boston-marathon-victim-heather-abbot-tough-with-michelle-obama.jpg
Heather Abbot and her father Dale meet first lady Michelle Obama at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston in the days after the blast. Picture: AP Photo/Courtesy of Alfred Colonese

AS Boston observed a moment of silence, Heather Abbott was following through on a difficult decision - allowing doctors to amputate her left foot.

The 38-year-old Rhode Island woman's foot was badly damaged in the bombings that shattered the Boston Marathon.

From her bed at Brigham and Women's Hospital on Monday, Ms Abbott reflected on the terror of April 15 - and on the waves of agony and grace that followed in the week since.

"I'm trying to be positive about things," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview before her surgery. "And hope that my life doesn't have to change much."

The day of the bombings, Abbott and a half-dozen friends took in the traditional Patriots' Day Red Sox game at Fenway Park. They left early and headed to Forum, where a friend tends bar and where former New England Patriots were gathered to raise money for offensive guard Joe Andruzzi's cancer foundation.

The restaurant is at 755 Boylston Street, not far from the marathon's finish line.

Ms Abbott was at the back of the long line, waiting as bouncers checked ID's, when the first blast went off. Unlike many, she knew exactly what it was.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/04/23/1226628/239331-boston-marathon-victim-forum-bar-on-boylston-street.jpg

The wrecked front of the Forum bar on Boylston Street where Heather Abbott had gathered with friends at the time of the bomb. Picture: AP Photo/Elise Amendola
"I felt like I was watching the footage on 9/11," said Abbott, who works in human resources for Raytheon Company in Portsmouth, R.I.

Ms Abbott was scrambling to get off the sidewalk when the force of a second blast blew her through the restaurant doorway.

After she'd regained her senses, she tried to stand, but her left foot felt "as if it were on fire." Unable to find her friends in the smoke and confusion, she called out to the panicked crowd.

"Somebody, please help me," she shouted as people scrambled for the rear exits, not knowing whether there were more explosions to come. She'd begun to give up hope when a woman walked up and began dragging her toward the door, quietly reciting a Catholic prayer as she tugged.

"Hail Mary, full of grace...," the woman intoned.

The woman had pulled Ms Abbott a few feet when a burly man stepped in, picked her up and carried her out the back door into an alley. She would later learn it was former Patriots linebacker Matt Chatham.

Jason Geremia spotted them and shouted, "Please give her to me. She's my friend."

The linebacker lay Ms Abbott on the ground and rushed off to help others. Friend Alfred Colonese of Newport, R.I., took off his belt and used it as a tourniquet to stop the bleeding.

Someone found a piece of wood in the alley. The friends were preparing to carry her out on it when a medic appeared and told them not to move her. Soon, rescuers appeared with a gurney and wheeled Ms Abbott back through the Forum and out the front door, Colonese said.

Ms Abbott didn't have the heart to look at her foot, but as she was being carried away, she glanced back and saw a trail of her blood.

She was loaded into a packed ambulance: Beside her was a man on a gurney, an oxygen mask covering his mouth and nose. As a worker inserted an IV into her arm, Ms Abbott could hear the driver shouting to the crowd outside, "Make a hole! Make a hole!"

Rescuers asked her repeatedly for her first and last names. A woman asked if there was someone she wanted them to call. In a world of cell phones and speed dial, the only number she knows by heart was her parents' back in Lincoln, R.I.

Ms Abbott could tell that her mother, Rosemary, was frantically asking questions. The man simply told her that her daughter had been injured, and that she and her husband, Dale, should come to Brigham.

During the ambulance ride, Ms Abbott struggled to keep her eyes open.

"I felt like if I closed them," she said, "maybe I wouldn't be able to open them again."

When the ambulance arrived, workers rushed Ms Abbott to surgery, where doctors stabilized her and cleaned her wound. She had a second surgery on Thursday to clean the wound and allow specialists to better assess the situation. The blast had broken her ankle and shattered several small bones in her foot.

That same day, first lady Michelle Obama visited Ms Abbott's room. She told Ms Abbott how brave she was, and gave her a presidential "challenge coin" - a token traditionally presented to wounded service members and their families. One side bears the presidential seal, the other an engraving of the White House.

Ms Abbott's courage was about to be tested.

Specialists explained that if she kept the foot, it might never fully heal. She would be in chronic pain, and her left leg might be shorter than the other. But the decision was ultimately hers.

The hospital brought in people who had suffered similar injuries, and had chosen amputation and prosthetics. One was a runner; another played football; a third still goes snowboarding.

Ms Abbott, who earned an accounting degree at Stonehill College and studied nights at Providence College for her master's in business administration, didn't really do sports in school. But she runs and does aerobics, and enjoys paddle-boarding off Newport in the summertime.

Encouraged by her visitors that she could lead a normal life, she agreed to the amputation. "It sounded to me like the best case scenario," she said.

Ms Abbott never could muster the courage to look at her injured foot. She hates the sight of blood, and that was a memory she didn't want to have to live with.

In a three-hour operation Monday afternoon - midway through which Ms Abbott's family and the entire hospital joined in the citywide moment of silence - doctors removed her leg several inches below the knee. Her father said everything went well.

"She's my hero," Dale Abbott said, his voice cracking with emotion. "She's stronger than I am. I'm constantly having meltdowns, and she knows what has to be done, and she's right there with it."

Doctors told his daughter it would be about four weeks before she could be fitted with a temporary prosthetic.

Floating on a cloud of pain medication and family/friend support in the days before the surgery, Ms Abbott hadn't watched any television until Monday morning. To brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the alleged bombers, she has given hardly a thought.

"People have let me know that the second one (Dzhokhar) was caught," she said. "And I don't think I've really begun to process how that makes me feel yet."

Tamerlan, the older brother, was killed in a gunfight with police. Asked whether Dzhokhar should face the death penalty for the three killed and nearly 200 wounded in the blasts, she demurred.

"I just haven't really even gone to that place yet in my head," she said. "I don't feel the anger that I'm sure I will at some point."

Instead, she is focusing on healing - and on the people who risked their lives to help her.

"They were sort of free and clear and could have left," she said. "That thought is just overwhelming to me."

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/boston-victim-heather-abbott-faced-with-agonizing-choice-over-foot-amputation/story-fndir2ev-1226628237209

PS - This all I have to say about (Michelle Obama)...

COMPLACENCY is not a VIRTURE (Your Day will Come)...:yes4:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wft5MM5SDCM/TLkTGARB1TI/AAAAAAAAEnE/ZqT7DbXoZXA/s1600/mich.jpg#OBAMA%20IN%20A%20TRASH%20CAN

PSS - And so it (Will) for your husband...:yes4: (see below)

[jackovesk]

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Monday, April 22, 2013

Net Assessment of USG Capacity to Handle Domestic Terrorism –BOSTON MARATHON ATTACK: Major Disaster for POTUS; WH National Sec Staff; FBI; Mueller; Eric Holder; CIA; Boston Police Force; Governor Deval Patrick.

The horrendous handling of the Boston Marathon bombing proved once again that an ACT OF TERRORISM is 96% successful in creating its initial intention—FEAR. But in this particular case---a so-called act of ‘terrorism’ created the ABSOLUTE DREAM of ANY WORLD WIDE TERRORIST---COMPLETE PARALYSIS and LOCKDOWN OF BOSTON AND it’s ENVIRONS!!

The Boston Bombing paralysed a metro area of 4 million through fear alone and the subsequent inept handling of the siege.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bo47ipbU3yo/UXYPldXorSI/AAAAAAAACFU/pDreVUdWFvo/s200/images-4.jpeg

In crisis management, there are three basic principles which the founding fathers of Counter Terrorism and Hostage Negotiation initiated and taught over thirty years of experience:

[1] Control –Media, Violence, and Complexity of Situation.

[2] Minimize the Theater of Fear and Terrorism—this is the most inviolate principle which differentiates the amateur from the professional crisis manager. The press is borne and embedded as part and parcel of the theater of terrorism.

The more media coverage, the greater the impact of the fear.

The reporters become the RESONATORS and AMPLIFIERS of the fear factor. The job of the professional is to eliminate that factor by not reporting events or ‘managing’ the media coverage.

In my experience, I literally cut off the access of the networks to the perpetrators. Even in the age of the internet it is even easier to control the ‘official’ media coverage through silence and ‘no responses’. But once the media is asked to help in the apprehension of the perpetrator, the crisis is now controlled by the terrorists.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n56y-kt57RY/UXYP0zQP9oI/AAAAAAAACFc/LupLBHXIdpc/s200/images-36.jpeg

The FBI’s decision to release the pictures of the perpetrators and requesting the public to help in the apprehension of the two brothers may have been good police work but it was terrible counter-terrorist crisis management.

I have run crises with 500 Hostages in three buildings in Washington DC with several already dead, my one and only job was to free the hostages, minimize the impact the fear of the terrorism in Washington DC and protect the office of the presidency.

[3] NEVER ESCALATE the CRISIS to the level where the POTUS is involved in either decision making or the appearance of decision making.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KKsY4gEGj3I/UXYP_zbqcHI/AAAAAAAACFk/AjVZlj74vWc/s200/images-10.jpeg

The reason is simple.

If the POTUS gets involved as OBAMA invariably did and Jimmy Carter had wanted to do , it places the OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY and THEREFORE the SYMBOL of the USG as a HOSTAGE to the ACT OF TERRORISM.

This is a no-no!

It was the professional obligation of the FBI crisis manager and especially his boss, MUELLER, not to involve POTUS or the WH in any of the decision making process.

But as usual, the FBI failed.

The FBI should have insisted on a gag order on any and all participants to minimize the fear factor but once again, they did the opposite….

So who won in this CRISIS of “TERRORISM”?

The terrorists made Boston look like the catastrophes that our own military has created in Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Yemen and Somalia.

This terrorist action brought home the atrocities that we americans don’t see when we illegally invaded and destroyed muslim countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.

So what are the lessons that we American citizens have to learn from this tragedy?

[1] We should demand from our legislators an independent investigation of the FBI handling of the crisis. What went wrong??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SthTT4xSJDo/UXYQbrifbMI/AAAAAAAACF0/Fp8_MO45PcY/s200/images-38.jpeg

[2] Mueller, the Director of the FBI, should be investigated for incompetence, starting with a history antedating the FALSE FLAG 9/11 Attack. Seems our legislators are afraid of him, as they were of J Edgar Hoover, so it will depend on the American public to insist on exposing Mueller’s actions during the 9/11 cover up and now his mishandling of Boston.

[3] The Boston Police Dept should also be investigated for the way they handled the entire situation. It’s standard procedure. Where did they make mistakes and where did they succeed.

[4] The WH National Security Staff –filled with novitiates—should be seriously cross examined for their incompetency and lack of demonstrated experience in Crisis Management.

In particular, Lisa Monaco, rumored to be the next head of the FBI. Who is she? What are her qualifications for counter terrorism other than political cronyism?

Denis McDonough –has proven to be one of the WORST CHIEFS of STAFF in the past thirty years. As far as I know, he was basically a speech writer who wandered into areas in which he was completely incompetent to run, like foreign policy or domestic crises.

It is the prerogative of Obama to choose any one he wants, but clearly his inexperience in both domestic and foreign policy has become so blatant. Crises after mis-handled crises….real or not, it ain’t leadership, folks! Osama bin Laden “faked” killing, the real death of our ambassador in Benghazi, the false flag of Sandy Hook, Arab winter, sanctioned torture and now this mess in Boston- this is what Obama hath wrought. With leadership like this, who needs it??

But where is our favorite group in all this mess in Boston? Constantly Incompetent Agency worked with these two brothers and the Chechen terrorists.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2usmMdbZRNs/UXYQJDwjCOI/AAAAAAAACFs/wejUaV-lkKU/s200/520px-001ChechenThugs_01.jpg

The Russian FSB asked our FBI about one of the brothers and his activities in Chechnya with the so-called islamist terrorists. The FSB knew what many of us in the Intelligence world knew, that the CIA has been creating strategic tensions around the countries called the CIS- all those in central Asia which separated from the Soviet Union in the 1990s.

Let’s ask our CIA for a briefing on how the Chechen family received political asylum in the early 2000s ?? then why the parents returned back to Russia leaving their wealthy sons to live in Cambridge Mass? I don’t see a conspiracy, I see a FUBAR by our USG both domestically and in Foreign Policy!

One of my readers maintains that we just need 3% to start seriously questioning and demanding answers:

Why are we at war?

Why do we commit and sanction torture?

Why are we spending money on police/military equipment when our schools and roads are deteriorating?

Why are we shipping 10 billion dollars worth of military equipment to Israel and the UAE?

What is this Homeland Security monster that is sucking all of our taxpayer money?

Keep at it, they are messing up like crazy.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hm2e576hQ6w/UXYQtPJSOwI/AAAAAAAACF8/c8lDEwm9vkk/s1600/images-37.jpeg

Posted by Steve Pieczenik at 9:33 PM

https://stevepieczenik.com/talks/blog.html

PS - For those who may not of known what (POTUS) meant...


POTUS is "President of the United States"

[Cidersomerset]

This would have been unbelievable 20 years ago and again would be humorous
if not so serious.......This is part of the bigger picture imo !!



China-US Squabble: Beijing slams 'woeful' US human rights record


SEyN85IHTzs


Published on 23 Apr 2013


The US turns a blind eye to human rights issues, seriously threatening the lives of
its citizens, a Chinese report claims. The damning analysis of US human rights
abuses is Beijing's retaliation to a Washington report decrying the Chinese
government. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/oqnk6u

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Franchi's Two Cents - The Boston Massacre of the 4th Amendment
.

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Referree posted Franchi's Two Cents on another thread, ties in well
to illustrate RT article....

[InCiDeR]

Time for some positive news as well in this terrible disaster...

http://news.msn.com/us/officials-boston-suspects-motivated-by-religion

...Amid a swirl of emotions in Boston, there was cause for some celebration: Doctors announced that everyone injured in the blasts who made it to a hospital alive now seems likely to survive.

That includes several people who arrived with legs attached by just a little skin, a 3-year-old boy with a head wound and bleeding on the brain, and a little girl riddled with nails.

"All I feel is joy," said Dr. George Velmahos, chief of trauma surgery at Massachusetts General Hospital, referring to his hospital's 31 blast patients. "Whoever came in alive stayed alive."

As of Monday, 51 people remained hospitalized, three of them in critical condition. At least 14 people lost all or part of a limb; three of them lost more than one.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had gunshot wounds to the head, neck, legs and hands when he was captured hiding out in a boat in a backyard in the Boston suburb of Watertown, authorities said...

Interesting to notice is all the wounds that Tsarnaev apparently have... and still he managed to leave the boat by himself according to some pictures...


EDIT: I just remembered one oddity:

There are a lots of students in Massachusetts Institute of Technology... and it is the institute of technology for crying out loud.... and students normally have at least one cell phone and love them... and NO ONE have any pictures or cell phone video of the shootout that took place?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Gigha asked me what I thought about all this, so I'll post something. (Waves hello to Gigha)

I have not had time to properly assess all the information, so I am withholding any opinions or analysis until I have had time to properly review what happened there. My only thought so far is that I do see people jumping to unsupported conclusions in some cases. I am of the opinion that we really have to go with only what we can be absolutely certain is true. Engaging in too much speculation leaves us open to manipulation.

If things are getting more crazy this year, I'd like to share something my teacher told me. She told me not to get caught up in events energetically. If there is an alien invasion, notice it with the same amount of charge that you notice that you are almost out of milk. Do not feed the energy.

Regardless of who is behind this, they want us to get excited, frightened, outraged, etc.

Don't give them what they want.

Best to You,

Whiskey

[RMorgan]

I have nothing more the say...

Senator Uses Boston Bombings to Introduce Bill Restricting Gunpowder

"The Senator from New Jersey made the announcement on his Senate page, detailing how his bill would initiate full background checks on anyone seeking to purchase gunpowder (also known as black powder). A move that would ultimately affect law-abiding citizens who are purchasing gunpowder for their own use, just as ‘gun free zones’ have been shown to allow for criminals to run amok due to the disarmament of the average citizen. Full-fledged terrorists simply will not submit to background checks to purchase gunpowder, especially when there are so many easier options..."

Read the rest of the article here: http://www.storyleak.com/senator-uses-boston-bombings-push-bill-restricting-gunpowder/#ixzz2RIbQV0hX

[Cidersomerset]

While the media was occupied with the Boston bombings, Senator Frank Lautenberg decided to use the event to push his new legislation that would regulate the purchase of gunpowder in order to ‘reduce terrorism’.

Read more: http://www.storyleak.com/senator-uses-boston-bombings-push-bill-restricting-gunpowder/#ixzz2RIh5qOgL

Exactly Raf that's what these events are usually set up for ............


I posted this on the other thread, some of this is surreal like a Python sketch
when you look beyond the mainstream and just dig a little, like we do
on forums like this,its obvious there is a bigger agenda going on,that's why its
frustrating at times..............

Substitute the 'Judea' with Chechen/Alqaeda and the Romans with the US/west
and not much has changed ...LOL...

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[thunder24]

http://gma.yahoo.com/simple-boston-bomb-plot-hatched-without-foreign-help-082418368--abc-news-topstories.html

no foreign help, got ideas from the internet and Al-qaeda sermons.... O.K.

[Cidersomerset]

Agreed Thunder24 'QUO BONO' ...Who benefits!!



http://gma.yahoo.com/simple-boston-b...opstories.html

no foreign help, got ideas from the internet and Al-qaeda sermons.... O.K.


the college student reportedly told investigators the whole attack was devised from the Internet

Another possible target CISPA bill and Internet security !!

[thunder24]

so we got the question raised about useing drones to take out "enemy combatants" on U.S. soil, you got the gunpowder bill from the senator from new jersey, and now cispa has another reason to b, because they planned this from the internet

while i know one can learn how to build bombs, and be radicalized by "sermons" off the net... left shaking my head

what else is on the table related to the events recently?

[soleil]

im sorry because i did not see this shared/posted (pls delete or remove this post if this is a repost).

Boston Commissioner Tells The Truth - By Mistake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYXmhBNz5D0

basically he accidentally says "actors" before saying "individuals".

[Cidersomerset]

while i know one can learn how to build bombs, and be radicalized by "sermons" off the net... left shaking my head

what else is on the table related to the events recently?


I've posted many posts about GITMO mainly from RT reports and a very few other
sources. The US seems to be reluctant to close it while 'The War On Terror' is still
officially going on in Washington . Mainly as far as I can see it gives them options
where to keep people out of the way if they have to invade/raid say Syria, Pakistan,
Yemen or somewhere and grab some prisoners. Its as if the prison is linked to
the 'War on Terror' to give it legitimacy in their eyes. So each event validates
it not being closed down imo.



Human right watch sat force feeding is Torture !!

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/obama%20gitmo.jpg


http://www.standupamericaus.org/sua/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/gitmo1.jpg


Half of Gitmo detainees on hunger strike

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Published on 23 Apr 2013


A US Navy spokesperson has confirmed that half of the detainees in the
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba detention facility are actively participating in a hunger
strike protesting the confiscation of the their holy book, the Koran. The
demonstration which has been going on for approximately two months has received
worldwide attention after reports have emerged that officials are forcibly feeding 16
individuals which is considered by the United Nations Human Rights Commission as
torture. Meghan Lopez brings us the latest.

[Jeffrey]

Follow up on this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664910&viewfull=1#post664910

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Excerpts from the PDF, US Department of Justice: Planning and Managing Security For Major Special Events:




Placement of assessment teams inside the venue has become standard procedure for major special events managed by federal agencies. Joint Hazardous Materials Assessment Teams (JHAT) and Joint Hazardous Explosive Response Teams (JHERT) have been developed for response to reported hazmat and explosive threats or incident in and around the venues. The JHATs and JHERTs consist of experienced personnel from different disciplines and levels of government, co-located in a single discreet response vehicle, ATV, or in a walking unit. The JHATs and JHERTs provide the incident commander a low-profile team that can unobtrusively assess the need for further specialized assets, allowing those valuable assets to remain available for actual incidents. Depending on the need for high level security at the event, a Bomb Management Center (BMC) may be part of the assessment team process. The BMC oversees the response of all explosive-related assets to include the coordinated response of the JHERT.

[…]

The local agency providing primary hazmat response in the community, typically the fire department, fills a position in the JHAT, and the last position in the JHAT may be either state/local law enforcement hazmat, or state national guard civil support team personnel. The JHAT also carries a basic detection and monitoring capability.

Source: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e07071299_web.pdf&chrome=true

So, it's not unusual to have those men there. In light of the above information, the suspicion cast upon the warranting of such a crew at this event is no longer conspiracy worthy. It's standard protocol to have them there. Also, the fact that JHATs operate as a "low-profile team" to make "unobtrusive" assessments with "basic detection and monitoring capability" further supports the evidence that the backpacks were bomb detection equipment.

The only thing left unanswered is about the suspects, suspicion about the FBI fostering terrorist plots, and this Saudi National. Which, to be honest, Glenn Beck's sources may be feeding him disinformation in attempts to smear his credibility.

Somebody "up top" may have known this would've/could've happened, but it won't be proved by the presence of the CST.

The gov't won't let this crisis go to waste and rumors/news of fresh legislation are already emerging in the wake of this event.

[Cidersomerset]

Somebody "up top" may have known this would've/could've happened, but it won't be proved by the presence of the CST.

The gov't won't let this crisis go to waste and rumors/news of fresh legislation are already emerging in the wake of this event.

http://archive.rushimg.com/home/daily/site_011111/content/01125112.Par.89380.ImageFile.jpg

[Hervé]

Hi Amer Zo, its not telephoto, Ive enlarged it... did you look at the link http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431 (http://boston.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2013/04/17/new-view-of-boston-marathon-bombings/#photo-403431)

The lady in red moved to this new position. and the guy with hoodie who assisted with putting on the fake amputated legs rolled into this position, here causually chatting - the amputee guy is completly missing.... weird as the fence is still up and the white hat guy is also casually watching and there are no medics or helpers in place.
Its all probably photoshopped!

Some are asking - Did they steal this poor young man's identity?
http://goshennews.com/obituaries/x831624106/Jeffrey-M-Bauman

I do agree that the blonde lady (#1) with the red & black jacket crawled away from her initial position but not the black lady nor the second blonde lady (#2) with a red jacket.

As for this:


putting on the fake amputated legsRepeating it doesn't make it so and only perpetuates the initial psyop attempt.

As for the graphics I agree with forevernyt:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p8Fj-aeBgAtG6eQWldsna4sALxtixqBbOEMieyBgqb0KMZNGU4q3xZtvo6U_Oc1tjhK-JFnfp9odDqtBIQTsklfkmat869czd/article-2309545-1950CDAB000005DC-672_964x494.jpg?psid=1



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Black lady is the first to be carted out on a gurney (4:12:54 at clock, 4 minutes after blast flash)


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pH_S6nC5PDRQP8GbEAVI5m9gKY3JV80wtEZ603i4QOat1US8QGoBRkGBZtVQXvviBDo88tbfRLQuhAyPPXLik6dmdDKWOr1ng/Bauman-10.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p9o6DKt4evJpiMpAkYzCAWBi-pO9adpTi80DnojmkRfPCvkEqH5kx7ZeZlKZri1RO2FxbjSqX1qqPAV0r-lpEYDhBD75zshfW/Bauman-09a.jpg?psid=1
Black lady on gurney, Blonde lady #2, medic orange bag in front of her


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pg7kCPcgiW74vXjcOk1xJu-i2QAaoClk4DBkx4Kw89weO2ZFS28z8oFi9vGTB2_YFL0mmmt0ye3Z9ADlpja364sageM4-cqup/Bauman-09.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pcRn5jrVqqFZ8Y75c5FG4L2q1paBGfbZsFLUpqksFxRA8BZa77V3EnYhyLUJgOLLTXFhvoSxiq3KiinWI5UBv9RYuLUVz_frm/Boston-25a.jpg?psid=1
Jeff carted out on wheel chair at around 4:16 ("balcony" girder not yet ripped apart by CST crew)


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pi0YcwWBKbViLLfxDJPOB0ivjhY6wtKSfqkKCxosquYN8_imO7r-Bt4oMJqfwX4p9haNf2KodmOyiqlmSk7gc4M8qMG1QqBYq/Bauman-11.jpg?psid=1

[Snookie]

First of all thank you all who have been posting in this thread a lot of good information is compiled here.

As far as "fake" blood and such...Someone said in this thread why would they have actors when TPTW do not care about loss of life. I agree. And there were thousands of people as witnesses.

One piece of the puzzle that is missing is that there is no testimony from the man in the black Mercedes SUV that was carjacked. I can not find anything except that he has not been identified.

This is from yesterday:
How a Stupid Mistake Led Police Straight to the Boston Terrorists
http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/21/give-thanks-for-dumb-terrorists/


Then they carjacked a man–who has not been identified but is described as a Caucasian in his 20s–and rode with him in his black Mercedes SUV

This is from friday:
Cambridge Gas Station Owner Tarek Ahmed Recounts Carjacking By Dzhokhar And Tamerlan Tsarnaev
http://www.ibtimes.com/cambridge-gas-station-owner-tarek-ahmed-recounts-carjacking-dzhokhar-tamerlan-tsarnaev-1205053#

Why is this not being talked about?

Also why is MSN reporting that the older brother got killed by being run over by the younger brother, when we are seeing video's on the internet of the older brother being taken out of a vehicle and moved into another vehicle?

And if the brother did run over his brother...

How did the older brother get out of the SUV in Watertown during the shooting? Did the other brother get out too? If he did, how did he get back in and drive it?

If the police had the older brother on the ground, away from the SUV, and moved away when the SUV came toward them, did they leave him on the ground as the car approached? Why didn’t they take the older brother with them?

What really happened to the MIT security guard who was shot and killed? We are not hearing anything about that either? Why were the Brothers at MIT?

And as far as the younger brother is concerned every one who has talked about him that knows him can not fathom how he could have been a part of this?

There is another friend of younger brother talking in the news clip video in this link (news clip from today):

http://boston.cbslocal.com/video/8797975-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-communicating-with-investigators/

The marshall law lock down blew my mind on Friday...yikes.

I like what Ben Fulford had to say today about the Boston bombings...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58443-Benjamin-Fulford-April-22nd-2013&p=664875&viewfull=1#post664875

The important thing to remember is to question everything.

Much love! Much peace!

I think "they" are deliberately putting these obviously conflicting stories out. I think they are hoping for an armed insurrection so they then have a so called valid excuse to pull out the heavy artillery, drones etc. and perhaps even declare National martial law.

Don't give them what they want. Try to mention a few of these conflicting stories to friends & relatives in a non threatening way. Make comments like "I wonder if the government is trying to bring in laws to to restrict our freedoms, if so we will soon be hearing about it". Hopefully doing that will get them thinking.

[InCiDeR]

I do hope with all of my heart that this is not a scam:

http://www.gofundme.com/BucksforBauman


*We have created this fundraiser to raise money to help support our dear friend, Jeff and his family. As most of you know, Jeff was severely affected by the tragedy that had taken place at the Patriots Day Boston Marathon this year. Throughout this difficult time we want to help in every which way we possibly can to get Bauman back on track as soon as possible.
*Medical bills are going to start rolling in, let's get a head start on helping out Bauman and his family! Every dollar counts!!

"We all knew you were the nicest kid, now we know your the strongest!!"
We're all praying for a quick and safe recovery!

[Slorri]

CST Global

Morning Brew with Gwen Caldwell
April 23 Boston False Flag ~ Idaho Picker

http://morningbrew.webs.com/

http://www.oriontalkradio.com/archives.htm
Morning Brew
Host: Gwen Caldwell
Date Time
23-Apr-13 Tue 12:05 PM

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CST Global
http://cstglobal.com/

[turiya]

CST Global
Morning Brew with Gwen Caldwell
April 23 Boston False Flag ~ Idaho Picker

http://morningbrew.webs.com/

http://www.oriontalkradio.com/archives.htm
Morning Brew
Host: Gwen Caldwell
Date Time
23-Apr-13 Tue 12:05 PM
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CST Global
http://cstglobal.com/

First, thanks slorri for posting this.





http://static.prisonplanet.com/images/210413CST1.jpg





CST Global - an Israeli Mossad security firm. Edit Note: After further research, I find that this is different from the State National Guard's CSTs (i.e. Civil Security Teams).

However, one should still consider the following:
Who owns the banking system? Who owns the media?
Certainly, if you haven't noticed, AIPAC - 'America's pro-Israel lobby' - owns the U.S. Congress.
Glenn Beck will never criticize the Israel/Mossad/Zionists. Even Alex Jones will not go down that Israeli Mossad/Zionist/CIA/AIPAC rabbit hole & the connection that they have to these terror events, as he simply stops with the labels - "The Globalists" - "the Global Elite".

Just recently, Alex made reference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfj8dzMzaAI#t=4m04s) to an Israeli Mossad associated news source, DEBKAfile (http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap) saying that he found it gave pretty accurate information. The headlines read & described the Tsarnaev brothers as being "double agents" that "decoyed" the US into a terror trap. -- WTF?

Think about it... Israeli Police immediately came in to be involved with the Boston Bombing investigation (http://rt.com/usa/police-israel-investigation-boston-009/). And, anybody notice that Israeli doctors (http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-doctors-treating-boston-bombing-suspect-details-condition-131043127.html) are now in charge of the medical care for suspect #2, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

When False Flags Don't Fly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgv39GtcJ0


Uploaded on Apr 19, 2010

TRANSCRIPT AND REFERENCES:
http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20100419_false_flags.htm

Those who have studied history know that nothing invigorates and empowers an authoritarian regime more than a spectacular act of violence, some sudden and senseless loss of life that allows the autocrat to stand on the smoking rubble and identify himself as the hero. It is at moments like this that the public—still in shock from the horror of the tragedy that has just unfolded before them—can be led into the most ruthless despotism: despotism that now bears the mantle of "security."

Acts of terror and violence never benefit the average man or woman. They only ever benefit those in positions of power.

Apologies if this has been posted here before
turiya :cool:

[jackovesk]

http://content.artinstitutes.edu/assets/PR/News/CitizenJournalism2_large.jpg

Boston Bombing: Citizen video-analysts create (Major Problems) for controlled media

by Jon Rappoport

April 23, 2013

www.nomorefakenews.com

You’re a reporter for a TV news outlet.

You’ve become aware of a disturbing trend. Thousands of private citizens are now analyzing video and photographs of crime scenes and posting their findings.

They’re hounds, and they can’t be stopped. They’re looking at news footage, casual video, photos, and what they’re coming up with challenges the official story lines your network pushes.

Some of their analysis is ridiculous, but some of it isn’t.

For example, video footage of the first bomb in Boston doesn’t appear to show any shrapnel damage to the fencing near the explosion, or to the blue canopy just above the street. You, the reporter, wonder about that.

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The now-famous 78-year-old runner who fell down in the street, just after the first explosion? Security personnel wearing yellow jackets were standing closer to the bomb, but they didn’t wobble or duck or waver. You, the reporter, wonder about that, too.

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You, the reporter, see a photo of a storefront which was presumably right next to the first bomb. The windows are blown out. But all the glass is lying in the street, which would indicate the force of the explosion was coming from inside the store. How is that possible, you ask yourself.

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Then there are the quickly circulating photos of the man in the wheelchair. He’s missing large parts of both legs. People are pushing the chair. His legs are bleeding. But other posted photos? Do they show he already was wearing prosthetics? Is it true he should already be dead from the massive blood loss? You, the reporter, are disturbed by this.

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You also look at several photos of the pressure-cooker bomb. In the twisted metal remains, you see discoloration, but no signs the nails or ball bearings in the bomb penetrated the pressure cooker or pitted it or ended up embedded in it.

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You look at photos of men standing near the Marathon finish line, the men in identical uniforms, who have variously been described as Navy Seals, Coast Guard, and Craft International security personnel.

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What were they doing there? Running a drill? Watching suspects or patsies or bomb-planters? What was going on?

You look at a photo of the younger Tsarnaev brother leaving the scene after the bombs went off. He’s still…wearing his backpack? And another photo, the one of the ripped-apart backpack on the ground. Is that a white square on it? Because one of the Seal-Craft-Coast Guard guys had a white square on his intact backpack…and is that him, leaving the scene of the bombing without that backpack? Hmmm…

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You, the reporter, now face several quandaries.

First, if you decide to look into all this, you’ll have to do actual work. Investigation. That isn’t part of your job description. You basically talk to official sources, obtain their statements, repeat them, and sound like you know what you’re talking about. Investigation? What’s that?

Second, if you undertake a serious inquiry, you’re going to have to verify that all these photos and all this video footage are pristine and haven’t been altered or cropped in order to mislead.

You’ll have to find experts to help you. More work. You’re already feeling exhausted, just thinking about it.

On the other hand, your network has shown faked and cropped photos and edited footage in the past, to slant stories. So maybe you can get by with less work.

However, there is a rule in your business. Reporters aren’t allowed to follow their noses. They aren’t allowed to do investigations on their own. They most definitely aren’t permitted to do technical analysis of evidence, like crime-scene photos or video. No, all technical interpretation has to come from government agencies.

If you go off the reservation, you’ll take heavy hits from your bosses.

But all this is meaningless. It’s just mental masturbation, because, finally, you know there is no possible way your producer will allow you to present evidence that the official Boston scenario has gaping holes in it.

Your own network has the explicit job of promoting that scenario.

You’d be torpedoing your own people. Professional suicide. Just walking into your producer’s office and pointing to issues raised by private-citizen analysis of video? It would put you on a watch list.

Your producer would think, “This guy’s gone soft in the head. He wants to pursue a story on his own. He must be some kind of grandstanding goof. He doesn’t have a firm grip on things. He doesn’t know what his job really is. And he wants to raise doubts about the Boston bombing? Wow…”

To the degree that you have any shred of conscience left, you’re in a bind. Maybe it’s the moment to offload that last bit of idealism and go completely corporate. It’s not as if you’ve been challenging your bosses; you’ve just been asking yourself questions privately. So what’s the problem? Just stop asking the questions.

Maybe you’re depressed. Maybe you should go in and see a shrink and get a script for Zoloft. Something to take the edge off. Of course, then you’d have to cut back on your drinking. Screw that. Just up the booze. Have a few more every night after work. Make the coffee stronger in the morning.

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Wait. An idea is forming.

It’s coming.

Sit there. Let it formulate.

Mmmm….

Yes. Yes! Here it is. Some of these video hounds are saying no one at all was hurt or killed in Boston; the whole bombing thing was a hoax. Well, tell that to the doctors at the hospitals who were doing amputations.

Okay. Okay. Now you’re on to something. You can feel it. There’s an obvious way to destroy all this wildcat video evidence in one fell swoop and, at the same time, endear yourself to your bosses.

They’ll be grateful. You can rack up some brownie points. They’ll think of you as a company man. A tough defender of the realm, their realm.

Anyway, you’ve got a deadline to meet. You have to put something together. It may as well be this:

Take the most radical opinions these video hounds are promoting, package them all into one article, and imply that every hound is a complete freak. All their video analysis must be wrong, because they’re all crazy. It’s the old rejection by generality. And by ad hominem. By straw man. Didn’t you learn something about those logical fallacies in college? Time to put them to use.

Do the conspiracy-theorist thing. Say these weirdos have far too much time on their hands. And what else? They’re dangerous. Sure. Refer back to that FBI dude who’s in charge of the Boston investigation, DesLauriers, who said people should focus on helping the investigation by looking at certain photos and no others.

How did he put it? He said there were irrelevant photos out there, and if people tipped the FBI to them, they’d overload agents and delay the search for the bombers.

That’s it. These private video hounds are dangerous. They’re giving people too much information.

So they have crazy ideas, one. They’re saying nobody was hurt, there were no bombs, two. They’re claiming all the bleeding people at the Marathon were actors brought in from some outfit in Colorado, three. They’re saying these massacre ops are designed to shut down freedom in America, four. They’re dangerous, five.

Roll all that up into a ball and you’re good to go. Whatever they’ve actually got in terms of troubling and disturbing and truthful video and photo evidence will disappear in a sea of ridicule.

Perfect.

Imply there are two basic classes of people: the normals and the crazies. The crazies are threatening the rest of us. They’re multiplying like fruit flies. They’re swarming the Internet. They’re disrespecting the wounded and dead—don’t forget that one. How dare they come out with all this insanity as the families are grieving and in turmoil.

Yeah. There is only one true stream of information, and the public has to know it. It comes from the major networks. There has to be a central story line, because if there isn’t, the whole country will fall into chaos. Don’t actually say that, but realize you’re on the side of the angels here. You’re standing tall against the barbarians at the gates.

Right. You’re giving the audience a CHOICE. Do they want to be nuts, or do they want to be normal. Normal is the wave of the future. Soon, that’s all there will be. The others will be wiped out. They have no cache. They have no right to challenge the order of things.

Isn’t that what Arthur Jensen said in the movie Network? There is one planetary, galactic order of things, and everybody has live under it.

Expand the piece. Take it all the way back to 9/11, and the loonies who claimed the towers couldn’t have been taken down by the planes. Yeah. They said there were bombs inside the buildings. They said Building 7 didn’t go down from a fire. Idiots.

Why not do history? Makes you sound smarter. JFK. “Oswald didn’t act alone.” That’s where it all started, that’s how the conspiracy germ spread. It was a disease.

That’s a great metaphor. The plague of conspiracy theories. It had a ground zero, in Dallas, on November 22nd, 1963. From there, the virus moved through time. It’s all one epidemic.

Call a few shrinks. Get comments from them. A psychological pandemic. These guys always want face time. Give it to them. Let them speculate on why the plague is accelerating.

Geez. Maybe this could become a three-part series. “We investigate the trend of conspiracy thinking. Why is it happening? Who are these people? Where do they come from? What do they really want?”

Then…oh yeah. We find some guy who was a conspiracy nut but he woke up and realized he was about to go off the cliff, so he stepped back. He was addicted. It was an addiction. He had alienated his whole family and all his friends.

Then he had a revelation. He saw what had happened to him. Get a few juicy quotes. “I needed a way to rebel against society, so I chose this. It was a fad. I joined up. It was a kind of cult. I made new friends. But then I saw that these people weren’t like me. I was ruining my life. I was walking around paranoid all the time…I finally came to my senses…”

Nail down the place and time when he woke up. Maybe take a camera crew there. “This was the spot. I was walking along this stretch of beach one night, all alone, and it hit me. I was isolated. I had no ties left to my community…”

Yeah. Plays very well. Do you want to be in the cold, on the outside, or do you want to be near the hearth, where the tribe is safe?

With a series, a three-part “investigation,” you could establish yourself as the go-to guy whenever a new conspiracy theory pops up. They’d come to you. You, the expert. This could be a very good career move.

And why pretend? That’s what you’re in this for, isn’t it? A career? So stop fooling around with all the freakazoid photo and video evidence. Just go for it.

IT'S a WAR. The independent journalists and bloggers and video loons are trying to steal food out of your kids’ mouths. You can lie down in the road or you can fight back. If you’re going to fight, take off the gloves. Screw that half-way stuff.

Who knows more about conspiracies than anyone else? The CIA, the FBI, the intelligence community. Hell, after a few years of attacking the weirdos and nutballs out there, you might graduate up into a more distinguished and rarefied atmosphere, where real conspiracies are planned and carried out for the sake of national security. The real stuff, the right stuff.

You could become a “our national intelligence correspondent.” Wouldn’t that be something. You’d have access to the big boys and some of their secrets. You’d prove you could be trusted.

You’d never have to look at another foot of video put together by losers who’ll never get within a thousand miles of real news.

You’ll never have to wonder whether you’re doing the right thing. You’ll live in a place that’s far from the madding crowd. You’ll drink single malt instead of rotgut. You’ll sit down with senators and lobbyists and bankers and diplomats.

You’ll turn into a controlled drunk who knows when to start and when to stop. You’ll find inner peace and all that crap, knowing you’re serving the best interests of your country and the people who own it and run it.

You’ll write a movie script about the Agency stopping a terrorist plot in New York. You’ll meet people from Hollywood.

One night, high above the city of angels, a beautiful actress will take you in her arms…

And some day, through your CIA connections, you’ll learn about a brain-bending scandal that’s brewing under the surface of Washington, and they’ll give you the green light to go out there and dig up the information you already have in your back pocket.

You’ll be Bob Woodward and the doors will open for you wherever you go.

You’ll be unstoppable.

You’ll be the man who finds out all the secrets.

Except the real ones.

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/boston-bombing-citizen-video-analysts-creating-major-problems-for-controlled-media/

PS - Citizen Journalists (ARE) Changing the (WORLD) as we know it...

[ThePythonicCow]

The now-famous 78-year-old runner who fell down in the street, just after the first explosion? Security personnel wearing yellow jackets were standing closer to the bomb, but they didn’t wobble or duck or waver. You, the reporter, wonder about that, too.
Wait until you're 78 and have just about to finish a marathon run ... then see if you're easier to knock over with a loud sound and a blast of air than a strapping young security officer.

[Vitalux]

The now-famous 78-year-old runner who fell down in the street, just after the first explosion? Security personnel wearing yellow jackets were standing closer to the bomb, but they didn’t wobble or duck or waver. You, the reporter, wonder about that, too.
Wait until you're 78 and have just about to finish a marathon run ... then see if you're easier to knock over with a loud sound and a blast of air than a strapping young security officer.

Gosh Paul, you would think that old man would be so hard of hearing that he wouldn't of heard the blast.
As for the rush of air, perhaps when you are that age, and you feel a blast of air coming from behind, you make a final dash to the toilet :bolt:

[Hip Hipnotist]

The now-famous 78-year-old runner who fell down in the street, just after the first explosion? Security personnel wearing yellow jackets were standing closer to the bomb, but they didn’t wobble or duck or waver. You, the reporter, wonder about that, too.
Wait until you're 78 and have just about to finish a marathon run ... then see if you're easier to knock over with a loud sound and a blast of air than a strapping young security officer.

Gosh Paul, you would think that old man would be so hard of hearing that he wouldn't of heard the blast.
As for the rush of air, perhaps when you are that age, and you feel a blast of air coming from behind, you make a final dash to the toilet :bolt:

Jeez, I'm not ( quite ) 78 but when I feel that blast of air coming from behind I definitely make a 'mad dash' to the toilet.

Yeah, I know, this thread isn't supposed to be funny. But after 30+ pages of blood, guts and severed limbs someone had to let loose.

Let loose -- get it? ;-))))

[jackovesk]

The Shocking Truth About the Boston Marathon Bombing Hoax

Susanne Posel
Occupy Corporatism
April 20, 2013

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The Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) has identified (http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/18/authorities-have-clear-video-images-two-suspects/eDuBdL4QhkcMVwhlrVBrcJ/story.html) Tamerlan (26 years old) and Dzhokhar (19 years old) Tsarnaev as the perpetrators of the Boston Marathon Bombing (BMB). The picture being painted about these boys is that they were confused about their cultural identity which would lend to the idea that they would become violent.

The Tsarnaev brothers have been painted by public opinion and the federal authorities as Russian extremists with Muslim ideology that would facilitate a violent outburst; like having committed the BMB.

The Tsarnaev brother’s family are from Chechnya, a republic of Russia acquired during Tolstoy’s time. This area is purported to be supportive of Islamic extremism with “warrior traditions”.

However, one neighbor describes the boys as “sociable, compassionate and friendly.” Others who knew them personally recall their shock that either of the Tsarnaev brothers were involved in the BMB.

Tamerlan, Russian native and a Muslim, has been said by the FBI to be the man in the “black hat” from pictures released to the public by authorities. Mainstream media has produced an unconformable quote by Tamerlan that states: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”

Conveniently, there is also a YouTube account that provides an askew image of Tamerlan for the public to judge this alleged terrorist.

Anzor Tsarnaev, father of the supects, has been quoted by MSM as saying: “My son is a true angel. They were set up, they were set up! I saw it on television; they killed my older son Tamerlan.”

Tsarnaev said: “If they killed him, then all hell would break loose. If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police are to blame. Someone, some organization is out to get them.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh10h8A_w8Q
Jeff Bauman, who was under substantial amounts of drugs for having lost both of his legs in the BMB, scribbled on a sheet of paper to his brother “bag, saw the guy, looked right at me.”

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While under heavy sedation, Bauman still managed to identify to the FBI that the Tsarnaev brothers were the bombers who wore “a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt.”

Taking the words of a victim under the influence of major pharmaceuticals, the FBI is completely disregarding photos of men who have been linked to Craft International (CI) as the alleged “actual” men with backpacks.

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Alternative media outlets have identified two men wearing black caps with the Punisher skull icon adopted by CI; as well as tell-tale khaki pants and boots.

CI is the creation of former Navy Seal Chris Kyle who was killed earlier this year at the North Texas firing range by former Marine Corporal Eddie Ray Routh, according to authorities.

Kyle was the author of “American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in US Military History”. This book “recorded the most career sniper kills in United States military history. The Pentagon has officially confirmed more than 150 of Kyles kills (the previous American record was 109), but it has declined to verify the astonishing total number” claimed in the book.

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Kyle specialized in being able to shoot his target with deadly accuracy from rooftops and steal positions which earned him the respect of his peers in the Marines, US Army and Navy SEALs.

CI offers training in tactical operations and surveillance for:

• Military
• Law enforcement
• Tacflow combatives
• School/university security
• Civilian/corporate security

They also offer readily to the public shirts, baseball caps and accessories with the iconic Punisher skull to anyone willing to pay for the merchandise online. In fact, for $22.95 ANYONE can have their very-own black baseball cap with the white Punisher skull on it – the VERY SAME cap worn by the men identified by Alternative media as being CI operatives who carried out the BMB.

Claiming that men who were hired to perform a covert operation in a public place where camera and video surveillance is expected would wear descriptive hats and clothing is preposterous. Those who have performed covert operations know that you do not wear your “uniform” to the event.

In Watertown, Massachusetts, a manhunt is in progress to find Dzhokhar. Tamerlan was killed by the police during a shootout where over 200 rounds were “exchanged”, according to Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick.

Police stated that Tamerlan “threw explosives” at the officers who were shooting at him.

Both Tamerlan brothers were met with SWAT teams in armored vehicles that were deployed to arrest the “terrorists”. Those same para-militarized police officers are surveiling the streets of Boston searching for Dzhokhar.

Authorities also claim that Dzhokhar killed a security officer from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and stole a Mercedes SUV to evade arrest. They believe he has guns and explosives with him.

Authorities advised residents earlier in the day to remain in their homes and “do not answer [the] door unless instructed by a police officer.”

Airspace over Watertown was considered a no-fly zone and subway and public transit has been halted. In a conference Patrick stated: “We are asking you to stay home, stay indoors. We are asking businesses not to open. We are asking people not to congregate outside. We’re asking people not to go to mass transit.”

Patrick announced later in the day that: “[The airport is] open and operating and flights are operating. Airlines are waiving fees for passengers who don’t want to or can’t fly today. … Taxis are coming and going. Call your airline for your flight status before you leave for the airport, which is what we say anyway, but allow yourself a little extra time.”

Police officers are conducting door-to-door searches. Davis explained: “We believe this is a terrorist, we believe this is a man that’s come here to kill people.”

The order to remain indoors has been lifted while authorities continue to search for Dzhokar. Police say that Dzhokar is “a very violent and dangerous person.”

Colonel Timothy Alben, superintendent of the Massachusetts State Police said: “We do not have an apprehension of our suspect this afternoon, but we will have one . . . we don’t think he’d get much further; his ties seem to be here . . . still in Massachusetts.”

By 8:45pm EST, MSM reported that Dzhokhar was found hiding in a boat in Watertown. Dzhokar was taken into custody and sent in an ambulance to a hospital. He is listed as in critical condition.

It was reported that bystandards cheered as police confirmed that their suspect was aprehended.

MSM are painting a violent picture of Dzhoklar an obsessed jihadist from Russia who put his beliefs in Islam ahead of career and money.

Adding to the heightened emotions, New Yrk Governor Andrew Cuomo cancelled his weekly address citing that: “It’s a terrible situation in Boston. And, unfortunately . . . one gets the sense that this is more reflective of the ‘new normal,’ if you will. So much of society is changing so rapidly. We talk about a ‘new normal’ when it comes to climate change and adjusting to a change in the weather patterns. ‘New normal’ when it comes to public security in a post-9/11 world. Where these random acts of violence, which at one time were implausible, now seem all-too-frequent.”

Cuomo supports Patrick. “I’m a big fan of Deval’s. We were together in the Clinton administration so I know him personally and he’s doing a very good job.”

http://www.occupycorporatism.com/the-shocking-truth-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-hoax/

[jackovesk]

(WHO) is the real Jeff Bauman...:confused:

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This guy...?

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...or This guy..?

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http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/537833_402912576465073_1049975434_n.jpg

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PS - Do the :ear:'s have it..?

What about the 'Hair & Hairline'..?

Nose..?

Facial features..?

PSS - I'll let (You) be the judge...

[Carmody]

Israeli Doctors Are Treating Boston Bombing Suspect: New Details on His Condition

Police stand guard outside Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center Friday, April 19, 2013 after an ambulance carrying Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a19-year-old Massachusetts college student wanted in the Boston Marathon bombings, arrived (AP)

As 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev "clings to life," Israeli media revealed that two of the senior doctors treating Tsarnaev have abundant past experience treating victims of terror. That's because they're from Israel.

http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-doctors-treating-boston-bombing-suspect-details-condition-131043127.html

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Israeli scientists find way to erase memories of drug addiction

protein prevents memories which may trigger a desire for the drug.

The research is to be included in Hebrew University's presentation at next week's Facing Tomorrow 2011 conference in Jerusalem.

The protein used has been found by other researchers over the past five years to inhibit learning processes by affecting memory. To date, however, all the memories erased have been short-term ones. This research provides evidence that the peptide can also erase memories acquired through a long-term learning process.

Based on this research, Yaka said, it may be possible to erase memories in the course of treating other problems, such as post-traumatic stress disorder.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-scientists-find-way-to-erase-memories-of-drug-addiction-1.368131

[Referee]

WOW Nick show us your left hand/ arm no I mean Jeff Bowman show us your left hand/ arm



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[jackovesk]

Just (WHO) is telling the TRUTH..?

The (Alternative Media)..?

URGENT: Boston Bombing Suspects’ Aunt ID’s Naked/Alive Detainee as Slain Nephew – FBI Lies

April 22nd, 2013

Independent investigative journalist Dan Dicks of Press For Truth produced a videodetailing his interview with the Boston bombing suspects’ aunt where she identifies a naked, cuffed, clearly alive and well detainee seen in video aired by CNN, as her nephew and Boston bombing suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Tamerlan Tsarnaev would later be announced “dead,” with injuries covering his body from “head to toe.” The aunt is reportedly in fear for her life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-C6Z0YEGM&feature=player_embedded

As an increasing number of inconsistencies and outright lies accumulate regarding the FBI’s handling of the case, protection must be provided to the suspects’ family. Members of the alternative media with the resources and the ability to provide protective watch over family members, seems a prudent measure to both protect innocent lives and to further pursue the truth.

The FBI Has Now Lied Big, TWICE

The FBI originally feigned ignorance over the identity of the two Boston bombing suspects, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, as they appealed to an unwitting public to help them “identify” and “find” the suspects.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZRzB_nYkFQ&feature=player_embedded

The Tsarnaev brothers’ family, immediately after their identities were confirmed by Boston police and the FBI, claimed that the FBI had contacted the suspects years ago and had monitored their activity for years since. The mother of the suspects claimed to Russia Today that her sons were set up by the FBI. Russia Today, in an article titled, “‘They were set up, FBI followed them for years’- Tsarnaevs’ mother to RT,” stated of the suspects’ mother:

But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.

She would say of the FBI to Russia Today:

“They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”

Additionally, the suspects’ uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, told NBC news in an article titled, “Uncle: Mentors ‘radicalized’ older Boston bombing suspect,” that:

“I strongly believe they were just puppets and executors of something of bigger scale.”

“There certainly were mentors. I was shocked when I heard his words, his phrases, when every other word he starts sticking in words of God. I question what he’s doing for work, (and) he claimed he would just put everything in the will of God. It was a big concern to me. He called me ‘confused’ when I started explaining to him, make yourself useful to yourself and to your family and maybe you’ll have extra to share with everybody else.

“It wasn’t devotion, it was something, as it’s called, being radicalized. Not understanding what he is talking (about). He is just using words for the sake of the words and not understanding the meaning of it.’’

CBS would report that the FBI would initially deny having any prior contact with the suspects. In their report, “CBS News: FBI Interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev 2 Years Ago,” CBS claimed:

CBS News reports although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers’ mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.

The FBI would then be forced to concede that indeed it had interviewed the suspects, in 2011, two years before the Boston bombings. Finally disclosed on April 19, 2013 in an official statement that can be found on FBI.govthe FBI would state:

The two individuals believed to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday have been positively identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, now deceased, and Dzhokar Tsarnaev, now in custody. These individuals are brothers and residents of Massachusetts. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a legal permanent resident and Dzhokar Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Charges have not yet been filed against Dzhokar Tsarnaev and he is presumed innocent.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, age 26, was previously designated as Suspect 1, wearing a black hat. Dzhokar A. Tsarnaev, age 19, was designated as Suspect 2, wearing a white hat. Both were born in Kyrgyzstan.

Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.

In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government.

However, the case was not “closed,” as the FBI claims. It is now revealed that the “foreign government” that asked the FBI for information on Tamerlan Tsarnaev was Russia, and that Russia again contacted the FBI 6 months ago after the suspect traveled to Russia’s Caucasus region and was apparently in contact with terrorists, long-revealed to be supported, funded, and coddled by the US.

The British Daily Mail in their article titled, “Russia asked FBI to investigate bomber just 6 MONTHS ago after being spotted with ‘a militant’ on trip to Dagestan: Was it this known terrorist who Boston killer liked on YouTube?,” would state:

Speculation is growing that one of the Boston bombers met a known Jihadist terrorist in 2011 – as it emerged the FBI failed to follow up on a Russian tip that he was seen with an Islamic militant six times.

The Daily Mail would also report that:

The FBI has confirmed that Russia alerted the agency in 2011 that Tsarnaev had ties to ‘radical Islam’ groups in his homeland. Homeland Security sources have also revealed the agency received tips in 2012 about his ties to extremists connected to a Boston mosque.

The FBI is confirmed to be serial liars engaged in a coverup, revealing information about its long-standing relationship with the Boston bombing suspects only when cornered by a mounting body of evidence. Inconceivable then, that the US government and the American public have entrusted the investigation of the Boston bombings to the FBI who is clearly obstructing justice.

Now more than ever, crowd-sourced investigation must be conducting into photographs and video that may reveal the true events that transpired before and after the Boston Marathon bombings. Journalists across the alternative media must interview and draw public attention to the suspects’ family in order to protect them and bring to light any information that may reveal the true nature of the increasingly suspicious relationship the FBI had with the suspects for years prior to the bombings.

Saving the Ship – Establishment Using “Double Agents,” “Islamophobia” to “Seal Off” Compromised Operation

Already the establishment, like a ship striking an iceberg and taking on water, is racing around to compartmentalize and seal off each agency and political faction involved to keep the rest of the establishment afloat. The FBI’s attempt to feign ignorance has failed, and it appears that at least Israeli sources are trying to prepare ahead of time for revelations that may indeed reveal the suspects were working directly for the FBI.

Israel’s Debka proposes in their report, “The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap,” that:

The conclusion reached by debkafile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.

A more likely explanation, however, is that the FBI led the suspects along in yet another manufactured terror attack that was allowed to go “live.” The FBI has an extensive history (see: NYT: FBI Hatches Terror Plots) of not only providing targets with weapons, explosives, vehicles and plans engineered from start to finish by undercover FBI agents, but has also allowed these operations to go “live,” as was seen in New York City in 1993 during the World Trade Center bombing.

FBI agents, according to the New York Times, were indeed overseeing the bombers that detonated a device killing six and wounding many more at the World Trade Center. In their article, “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast,” NYT reported:

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars.

Debka is attempting to preempt what would essentially be the revealing of the US-Saudi-Israeli international false-flag/terror racket, used to perpetuate a global hegemonic war that has produced for all those involved trillions of dollars in profits and unprecedented geopolitical preeminence. Operations where this true axis of terror is currently running, such as the ongoing sectarian bloodbath in Syria, would be endangered, if not entirely foiled, should the Boston bombings be traced directly back to an FBI false-flag operation.

Failing to spin the FBI’s involvement as either an intelligence failure or explained away by “double agents,” the faux-right is preparing to pry off the the entire faux-left, using its Islamophobia-racket to play out the “Obama the Muslim” narrative (see: “”Obama the Muslim:” Ploy to Cover-up Years of US-Al Qaeda Support“). By doing so, at least half of the establishment’s “ship” will remain afloat in the wake of revelations the US killed and horribly maimed its own citizens in a false flag operation.

While America’s political establishment appears to be divided neatly into “left” and “right” camps, in reality, a singular corporate-financier oligarchy runs a singular agenda, compartmentalized for just these sort of situations. Lies regarding “weapons of mass destruction” and a horrific 10 year war that left millions dead, maimed, displaced or otherwise effected, can be jettisoned with the Bush Administration. And while the arming and funding of Al Qaeda occurred throughout the Bush Administration, it appears that the establishment is preparing to jettison US support for Al Qaeda with the Obama Administration.

It is essential to understand and identify the corporate-financier interests that rise above partisan politics and have profited from the continued “War on Terror” under both the Bush and Obama Administrations. It is then essential to understand the key to undermining and ultimately throwing off this insidious co-opt of America, its people, and its destiny, is to boycott and replace permanently with local alternatives, the corporate-financier interests behind it.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/urgent-boston-bombing-suspects-aunt-ids-nakedalive-detainee-as-slain-nephew-fbi-lies.html

...or the (MSM) response..?

Who was Boston's naked man?

From: news.com.au
April 23, 2013 2:54PM


Boston suspect finally speaks
'Free Jahar': Suspect's cult fans
Flap over Naked Man conspiracy theories


http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/04/23/1226627/013396-naked-man-boston.jpg
Police have not identified the 'Naked Man' - fuelling conspiracy theories. Source: news.com.au

IT'S one of the enduring mysteries of the chaos in Boston last week. Just who was the naked man law enforcement authorities paraded in front of the cameras?

After the shooting of a police officer at MIT and the high-speed chase through Watertown that followed, the Boston Police arrested and questioned a man and ordered him to strip. CNN broadcast footage of the nude man being escorted by police to a waiting wagon.

It was a riveting moment in the foggy TV coverage of the issue, where it (wrongly) seemed like there was resolution to the case.

But days later the naked man has yet to come forward, and the Watertown police department has not clarified the man’s identity – fuelling conspiracy theories about the man’s identity.

Several online conspiracy theorists claim the world is being hoodwinked by Boston law enforcement and that the naked man was one of the terrorists who caused the chaos, Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

The claims, fuelled by an interview that aired on US television where Tsarnaev’s aunt identified the naked man as “100 per cent” Tamerlan, were today rubbished by the Watertown police department.

Official accounts of the incident said Tamerlan died after a lengthy shootout with law enforcement agents. Doctors said Tsarnaev’s body was riddled with massive penetrating injuries. He immediately went into cardiac arrest upon arrival at hospital and was later pronounced dead.

A man who was caught up in the case when the Tsarnaev brothers hijacked his SUV has yet to publicly speak about the case.

Law enforcement officials told The New York Times that this man was released, uninjured, at a gas station and he then called the police.

The Naked Man mystery continues. But he has become an object of a different kind of fascination, too. Author Michael Patrick said on Twitter he was “an inspiration to all of us to get back to the gym”, adding that a similar situation could happen to you.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-america/who-was-bostons-naked-man/story-fnh81jut-1226627017169

PS - The (MSM-SPIN)


The claims, fuelled by an interview that aired on US television where Tsarnaev’s aunt identified the naked man as “100 per cent” Tamerlan, were today rubbished by the Watertown police department.


The Naked Man mystery continues. But he has become an object of a different kind of fascination, too. Author Michael Patrick said on Twitter he was “an inspiration to all of us to get back to the gym”, adding that a similar situation could happen to you.

PSS - I for one don't know if the naked man in custody is Tamerlan Tsarnaev..?

But - What (I DO KNOW) is the next Headline from the MSM will be along these lines...

The (Conspiracy Theorists) 'Naked Man' Identified

Text:

Suffice to say the Conspiracy Theorists got it wrong again...(We 'TOLD' you so)..!

PSSS - In closing...

(EVERY SINGLE TIME) you see the MSM knocking the general public, describing us as Wacko Conspiracy Theorists, not only lowers the standard of journalism (Us vs Them). It just tells me (WE) the (Citizen Journalists) are not only having a major impact on reporting the TRUTH...

But moreso, (WE) are (Winning) the INFOWAR..!

So (Keep it up) - Keep telling the (TRUTH)..!

...and (SURE ENOUGH) right on que, the (Pack of MSM GALLAH'S) just couldn't help themselves could they...

How (BLOODY-PREDICTABLE)...:pound:

Alleged Boston (bomber) was Alex Jones 'Conspiracy' fan

News.com.au

April 24, 2013 1:22PM

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/24/1226628/659849-alex-jones.jpg
Reports today bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a fan of prominent conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

PROFESSIONAL conspiracy debunkers are having a field day as ridiculous conspiracy theories about the Boston terrorist chaos burble up from the depths of the internet.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/16/1226621/454437-man-on-roof-boston.jpg
A man spotted on the roof during the Boston bombings has become the subject of conspiracy theories.

There's the man who was pictured standing on the roof at Boston. There are ridiculous, MS Paint-style infographics of Michelle Obama visiting Saudi nationals in hospital. There's a viral image of a 'suspect' caught on CCTV who has absolutely nothing to do with the Boston bombings. And what happened to that naked man?

Many of these theories are rooted in ideas posted on social media hubs such as Facebook and Reddit, in the comments sections of blogs and from the zany brainwaves of some of America's most prolific conspiracy theorists, like Alex Jones, who runs Infowars.com from his home office.

But there's a twist. There are reports today that the terrorist bombers themselves may have been inspired by web conspiracy theories such as Mr Jones'.

One of the two brothers who perpetrated the bombings, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, had fallen under the influence of a new friend, a Muslim convert.

"Somehow, (the convert) just took his brain," Mr Tsarnaev's uncle, Ruslan Tsarni said.

The Associated Press reports Tsarnaev, who was killed in a firefight with Boston police, then began to turn to literature and websites claiming the CIA was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks and that Jews controlled the world.

Sources told AP he took an interest in Infowars as well as al-Qaeda's English language magazine Inspire.

Mr Jones angrily denounced the report on his website, saying his organisation was "anti-terror".

"You knew that it was coming," he said to the camera. "Infowars.com is now being connected to the bombing patsy suspects."

"They're saying Tamerlan was influenced by shadowy evil. Then they basically imply it's infowars.com in there," he fumed.

"It's classically done to demonise us."

Mr Jones is a ‘New World Order' conspiracy theorist who believes the FBI has been behind every terrorist attack on US soil in recent years.

The Anti-Defamation League described him as the "most prominent conspiracy theorist in the United States".

His writing is often interspersed with a heavy use of exclamation marks and his website promises: "THERE IS A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND".

The New York Times described his radio broadcasts as "fiery, almost preacherly, addresses in which he sweats, balls his fists and often swerves from quoting Roman history to using foul language in a single breath."

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-america/allged-boston-bomber-was-alex-jones-conspiracy-fan/story-fnh81jut-1226628655633

PS - You bloody beauty Alex...:thumb:

As I have stated on a number of occasions before...

When the (MSM) roles out the (Conspiracy Nut) cointelpro propaganda it tells me just (1) thing...

They are :scared: $hitless and we've got them on the run, covering their tracks...

So much so...

The tide has (turned) and us so called (Conspiracy Nuts) are...


WINNING the INFOWAR..!

...and just (HOW) did we do that..?

By (QUESTIONING - EVERYTHING) & not paying attention to the (MSM/Govt. Propaganda & Spin)...

PSS - How (Apt) of the MSM to finish their (Hit-Piece) off with a LIE..!


The New York Times described his radio broadcasts as "fiery, almost preacherly, addresses in which he sweats, balls his fists and often swerves from quoting Roman history to using (foul language) in a single breath."

:director: More (MSM) - LIES

Anyone who is a regular listener to the Alex Jones knows only to well...


He does not allow Swearing, Foul Language &/or Cursing and regardless of who you are, if you do your (Cut-Off) immediately..

[ThePythonicCow]

WOW Nick show us your left hand/ arm no I mean Jeff Bowman show us your left hand/ arm
It looks like the Youtube user removed that video. Could you tell us more about what you remember seeing in it?

[Flash]

Israeli Doctors Are Treating Boston Bombing Suspect: New Details on His Condition

Police stand guard outside Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center Friday, April 19, 2013 after an ambulance carrying Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a19-year-old Massachusetts college student wanted in the Boston Marathon bombings, arrived (AP)

As 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev "clings to life," Israeli media revealed that two of the senior doctors treating Tsarnaev have abundant past experience treating victims of terror. That's because they're from Israel.

http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-doctors-treating-boston-bombing-suspect-details-condition-131043127.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Israeli scientists find way to erase memories of drug addiction

protein prevents memories which may trigger a desire for the drug.

The research is to be included in Hebrew University's presentation at next week's Facing Tomorrow 2011 conference in Jerusalem.

The protein used has been found by other researchers over the past five years to inhibit learning processes by affecting memory. To date, however, all the memories erased have been short-term ones. This research provides evidence that the peptide can also erase memories acquired through a long-term learning process.

Based on this research, Yaka said, it may be possible to erase memories in the course of treating other problems, such as post-traumatic stress disorder.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-scientists-find-way-to-erase-memories-of-drug-addiction-1.368131

this is, in my idea, the most important post of the whole thread. It confirms the rest and Alex Jones' findings. I am soo sad for our society.

[Slorri]

WOW Nick show us your left hand/ arm no I mean Jeff Bowman show us your left hand/ arm
It looks like the Youtube user removed that video. Could you tell us more about what you remember seeing in it?

Perhaps this: sdfeFCFHS24

[Gemeos]

Sorry if this was posted already...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoXo6X7Xuog

[dianna]

Sorry if this was posted already...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoXo6X7Xuog

What radio station, on what program is this from?

[ThePythonicCow]

That's not even the main, glaring inconsistency with the video though. See the right side of the photo? It's the same guy with the backpack and you can see the whitish square piece on the top of the backpack (it's either tape or it's some kind of fabric stitched on the handle). The image on the right was taken after the bomb went off.


Whether the alleged kid running away after the bombing still has his backpack on or not, I can't tell from your image. Perhaps his elbow is hiding the backpack. Though I can see where you have good reason to figure it's just his elbow.


I found a clearer version of that photo here (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/boston-marathon-suspect-photos-florida-man-david-green-snaps-photo-of-suspect-with-white-hat#):

http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/04/19/boston_20130419050704_640_480.JPG
I sure don't see any backpack there :).

It might be hiding behind his elbow, but I doubt it.


Aha - another "update" on this. Consider the following Youtube analysis uploaded 3 days ago:


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Perhaps the young kid did have his backpack on, and someone Photoshopped it out of the image.

[Hervé]

[...]

You, the reporter, see a photo of a storefront which was presumably right next to the first bomb. The windows are blown out. But all the glass is lying in the street, which would indicate the force of the explosion was coming from inside the store. How is that possible, you ask yourself.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00405/126038262_scene_405011b.jpg

[...]

Thanks for providing the clear evidence of what I wrote earlier (twice now, see post #489 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664950&viewfull=1#post664950)):


[...]

It doesn't appear that you are following this thread very closely or else you missed reading this or, if you read it, did not fully comprehend what the written words mean:


[...]

What you do see on that video is broken glass from the street level front store window from which one can deduce the blast as being mostly horizontally directed.

Since the broken glass is on the ground in front of the store, one can also infer that the window didn't break from the first pressure wave but from the vacuum generated back-flow.

Accordingly, it could also be inferred that the pressure + back-flow waves didn't reach people's head's height and were restricted close to ground which is corroborated by people being mostly injured in their legs.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/16/article-2309545-1950CDAB000005DC-672_964x494.jpg

[...]
The front window of the "All in for Boston" isn't broken most probably because the door was open[B]* nor are any windows above street level broken.

The only evidence for a vertical component to the blast was the pressure-cooker lid found on a nearby hotel rooftop.

I am not trying to prove or disprove anything and so am -- maybe -- more able to analyze the data at their face value.

* From my underground mining experience, all one needs to do to avoid one's eardrum from being shot by a mining blast (that's in a very confined environment) is to keep one's mouth open.

Since the above post and with more "looking" at various pictures, it does appear that the "Lens Crafters" 1rst floor window is also broken as well as the side panel from the "Marathon Place" front display with broken glass in front of the entrance (left side when looking at the store).

Also, the "Lens Crafters" front store windows appear to be double-paneled and the window on the left side has its front panel broken but not the one on the inside side since it's reflecting a street view.

This implies that the vacuum generated back-flow of the blast broke them all after the first high pressure wave may have cracked them.

[...]

Taking an even closer look [to the Boston Globe video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=046MuD1pYJg)] and you may be able to see that the banners skirting the fence are being lifted by the blast shock wave (a few frames after the initial blast flash). That's indicative of the horizontally oriented vector of the blast. That's when that senior runner starts to fall down.

Accordingly, the blast pressure + back-flow waves have already occurred long before the smoke cloud developed.

It also appear that the tainted glass windows from the second floor above the "Lens Crafters" store were initially cracked but had not yet fallen or pushed down on the street when first recorded in the "Boston Globe video": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=046MuD1pYJg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=046MuD1pYJg):):

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pjnuIMBtMA54Ys3diUp8MZQjm1l1N5SbPj4HYp1ktZOnHKfmcFSWWhzLCWzm2rRV9CG7q3Nw0LoxLuFXi_OjhMAyZBMwwT9Sp/A-man-in-a-bomb-disposal--010.jpg?psid=1


This leaves open the question of were exactly is the bomb blast spot located: is it the dark patch on the pavement in the above picture or is it located closer to the street?

The above as well as the overall purpose (reporters' probity, not accuracy of facts) of John Rappoport's article are the main reasons I refrained from reposting it... to avoid the fueling of unsubstantiated assumptions.

[InCiDeR]

Ok, I will try to close the speculation that Nick Vogt was the guy in the the wheelchair:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8246/rullstolhuvud.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/rullstolhuvud.jpg/)
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6859/nickvogthuvud2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/nickvogthuvud2.jpg/)
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7932/jeffbaumannhuvud2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/jeffbaumannhuvud2.jpg/)

As you can see, the left ear do not match Nick Vogts ear at all!

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8977/rullstolhuvud2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/rullstolhuvud2.jpg/)
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2028/nickvogthuvud.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/nickvogthuvud.jpg/)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2300/jeffbaumannhuvud.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/jeffbaumannhuvud.jpg/)

I could not find a good picture of Jeff Baumans right ear, but I think the pictures speak for themselves...

In my opinion it is pretty clear that Nick Vogt is not the guy in the wheelchair, that seems to be Jeff Bauman (even though that is not a perfect match either!). But whether he is an actor or not, well you decide:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1661/legsxg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/legsxg.jpg/)

[SilentFeathers]

This is ridiculous!


Boston Bombing Changes Lawmakers' Views on Drone Killings of Americans on U.S. Soil
After Boston, lawmakers see case for use of drones to kill Americans

Even liberal senators, such as Al Franken, have considered the possibility that drones could have been useful in taking down Tsarnaev, who was eventually captured, though he suggested using a drone strike would not be ideal and is "odd for [him] to even consider."

"We had a situation in Boston, a guy holed up in a boat who for all accounts had explosives on him. They did send a robot in to take off tarp," Franken said. "Isn't it possible we could see a situation in which we might want to take that person out in a different way [with drones]?"

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/23/boston-bombing-changes-lawmakers-views-on-drone-killings-of-americans-on-us-soil

Instant execution of "suspects" will soon become a reality on American soil folk's, dead men tell no tales....even innocent dead men.

"Probable Cause" and "Suspicion" will be the new "Guilty" and "Sentenced to Death" strategy soon....

[InCiDeR]

Another take on this situation:

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[Hervé]

Who are the "real" other ones (see post # 474 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664863&viewfull=1#post664863))?


Like the "guy # 2"? (see post # 555 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665398&viewfull=1#post665398))... or the dead ones?...


WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC!



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1paPNt7wP8M13lOit-9sfltUreUZe4D4ju74Xr0w4gVDC3KQw8d_EO4XOdKk4LV-YrxkZZUzcltCpNBQP1CKB6AcFv7ifOwnej/ss%20(2013-04-16%20at%2006.13.26)a.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pl7yw049mEasgresLwIF0-2oeVyUD7fn_pWv5ZAXpZHtT-OePpbiYqt4M61P1MdPcLTSYoi2kIOZ1H_wZXQ9UJOnohwGT3qAV/GoreGrish.GG1366075368760.jpg?psid=1
Guy # 2...


Me think that it's time for some people to quit looking at the pictures of reality they conjured up in their mind and start confronting the actual, factual reality... real bodies got really chopped up in there.

[Referee]

WOW Nick show us your left hand/ arm no I mean Jeff Bowman show us your left hand/ arm
It looks like the Youtube user removed that video. Could you tell us more about what you remember seeing in it?

Stawawake youtuber pointed out something interesting Nick Voit besides being a double amputee had his left pinky blown off and a lot of scaring on his left arm. see hospital photo with fake skeleton legs. In the three known pictures in every cade his left hand pinky is covered along with his left arm. I would really like to see Jeff Bowmans left arm and hand.


Edit new video

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[InCiDeR]

I would really like to see Jeff Bowmans left arm and hand.


http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jeff-bauman.jpg
http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/B3/53E4349DDBB94D13D2382FA7D894BC_h316_w628_m5_cHUjlWDvA.jpg

[Hervé]

[...]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00405/126038262_scene_405011b.jpg

[...]

Thanks for providing the clear evidence of what I wrote earlier (twice now, see post #489 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664950&viewfull=1#post664950)):


[...]
[...]

Since the broken glass is on the ground in front of the store, one can also infer that the window didn't break from the first pressure wave but from the vacuum generated back-flow.

[...]

[...]
Also, the "Lens Crafters" front store windows appear to be double-paneled and the window on the left side has its front panel broken but not the one on the inside side since it's reflecting a street view.

This implies that the vacuum generated back-flow of the blast broke them all after the first high pressure wave may have cracked them.
[...]

Following up on that, it implies that the blast was significant enough to generate enough vacuum to "suck in" towards itself healthy or cracked windows.


In other words, that was a real bomb too!

[Hervé]

Remember this guy and the whole theory built around his behaviour?:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pHjQLHn1xCUMVbhfNhVFkrDkYEWiwIM90F_nd9xejuBfdocJmstaFeglHO2mZ0LhHDnMlCQ4FKg0SzpGrzAxixOCMl0AH8wmh/Runaway-01.gif?psid=1


... well... he came back! I guess he needed to process his adrenaline rush since he has functioning legs:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pX0WCh3AvsrFWOuHqU2A_LwHpwfGyvDPLUsnh6s9VtHqtw_mD83c9wgZ43Wtg30OyLc9aIIkwAtL5IImu7ZBMqqWYr3n_Pf-w/Runaway-02.jpg?psid=1

[Dennis Jonathan]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I think I've found a motive.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/23/boston-bombing-changes-lawmakers-views-on-drone-killings-of-americans-on-us-soil

[jackovesk]

http://jeffrense.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/RenseRadio-logo.jpg

Jeff Rense Radio Show - 2013.04.23




Listen Download (http://k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/z1ys34p377/rense.20130423.1of3.mp3) Hour 1 - Gordon Duff - Dumbest False Flag Yet? Part 1

Listen Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/x843oc51mx/rense.20130423.2of3.mp3) Hour 2 - Gordon Duff - Dumbest False Flag Yet? Part 2

[Cidersomerset]

Whether people believe this is a 'False Flag' or not a lot is happening at the moment !



While We're All Distracted with Boston Theatre, Congress Passes CISPA
Wednesday, 24 April 2013 11:56
Posted by David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/April201397/522039_545610132156497_513697720_n.jpg

'He fought and defeated SOPA, a law similar to CISPA which Congress just passed
while we were all paying attention to the goings on in Boston.

Swartz was also a Harvard-recognized expert on institutional corruption. The Feds
took over a minor case he was involved with and turned it into potential multi-
decade prison sentence for him.

The claim is that he committed suicide in despair over the case. The reality is he
was in a positive state of mind when he died and he was a fighter. So how did he
really die?'

Read more: While We're All Distracted with Boston Theatre, Congress Passes CISPA





http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2013/0...th-boston.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/8...s-passes-cispa

[Cidersomerset]

This just does not feel right, but we have to consider it.........


US wars in Iraq, Afghanistan spurred Tsarnaev brothers to attack Boston - interrogators

xb-zX0-gvFA

Published on 23 Apr 2013


The surviving Boston Marathon bombings suspect
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev told interrogators that US-led
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan spurred him and his
brother to carry out last week's deadly assault,
US officials told media - READ MORE

[Cidersomerset]

Boston bombings: 'my children were set up'

This is different than the other vid posted earlier.

Were they being set up !!

EUmwgqVXw6o


Published on 23 Apr 2013


The mother of the men accused of the carrying
out the Boston Marathon bombings has said her
children had nothing to do with it. Zubeidat Tsarnaeva
told Channel 4 News that both were set up.

[sheme]

RT interview thinks FBI are not sure they have the bombers, this may be a US government excuse to pass cyber spy laws, and curb immigration.

[Cidersomerset]

The Terrorists Have Been Identified

This may have already been posted on it Corbett
asks why certain events are promoted more serious
than other bigger tragedies happening at the same
time. Pointing out the psyops of it all

bYIPvWeQAtE


Published on 19 Apr 2013


SHOW NOTES AND MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7301

The specter of terror is once again being raised to haunt the collective
consciousness of the American psyche. But as the terror meme rears its ugly head,
we see an understanding of false flag terrorism creeping into the mainstream
discourse. Join us this week on The Corbett Report as we explore the real terror
paradigm

[sheme]

If they said we will kill your family if you don't say what we tell you to , What would you say?

[Snookie]

(WHO) is the real Jeff Bauman...:confused:

http://cdn3.standard.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/max_800/2013/04/17/story-17-jeff-bauman-web-192040.jpg

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/thehour.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/7a/07aeaeca-a6be-11e2-ab9f-0019bb30f31a/516d8f3bb81eb.image.jpg

This guy...?

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/526470_142917819223908_1223687786_n.jpg http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Jeff-Bauman-Jr-facebook-support-page.jpg

...or This guy..?

http://d3r6fppmnpquqq.cloudfront.net/51/7e/i68779601._szw565h2600_.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/537833_402912576465073_1049975434_n.jpg

http://images.quickblogcast.com/1/6/8/7/8/296338-287861/vogt2.jpg?a=63

PS - Do the :ear:'s have it..?

What about the 'Hair & Hairline'..?

Nose..?

Facial features..?

PSS - I'll let (You) be the judge...

Not even close. Absolutely not. Eyebrows different, ridge on one guys forehead & not the other, ears different, lips different, noses way different.

[InCiDeR]

I apoligize beforehand for the long and slight off topic rant...


Some thoughts I had when I woke up today:

It would actually be easy to stop some speculations pretty early on.

For example if someone at infowars actually interviewed Jeff Bauman. Maybe they tried, maybe they will or maybe they consider it not important because what really matters are what consequences will come out of it all.

But what if they don't want to? Think about it.

Infowars are prosperous because of the speculation of a possible misinformation, deception or false flag.
TPTB are prosperous because of the speculation of a possible enemy, war or threat.

Any similarities?

If everyone spoke the truth there would be no need for infowars. If every false flag were solved instantly, there would be no need for infowars either. So instead of interviewing Jeff Bauman, and once and for all conclude this is not Nick Vogt and his wounds are actually real, it would be better to speculate one week or two... or forever... would it not? You keep the audience and the traffic to your website, and probably some money will come with it as well.

Are they really interested in the truth? Yes, I believe so, if there are some new speculations around the corner that will keep the wheels rolling. Because what will happen if they proved all theories and speculations in just one week? (Not likely to happen, but anyhow)

Then what? They will start a revolution that throws every person in power away? Not likely, huh? Who and what would take their place?

Honestly, why are we here in this thread? Because the speculation of a possibilty of misinformation, deception or a false flag? And that is the danger. It is easy to take new pieces of information and fit them into already existing theory of a false flag, instead of objective look at the new information.

I try to watch myself closely not to do that, because sometimes I find myself doing it. In those situations it seems like some part of me want this to be a false flag.

I ask myself why? Because that will prove to all that know me that I am not a nutcase? Because it will prove that the world is exactly as crazy as I thought it to be? ... or just for the thrill of it? Maybe I need my daily fix of possible misinformation to solve?

Maybe both the power that are and the alternative media is dependent of misinformation, deception and false flag... and that is actually a scary thought!


NOTE: I do like and respect Alex Jones and infowars, I think they doing a great job and have done much to awake many people. But I have no illusions, they have to make their living like anyone else.

[ThePythonicCow]

Me think that it's time for some people to quit looking at the pictures of reality they conjured up in their mind and start confronting the actual, factual reality... real bodies got really chopped up in there.I don't see many, if any, of us denying that.

If I should get blown to h*ll someday in some horrific fashion ... I hope no one will use the horrific nature of my departure to discourage questioning the larger circumstances, if they warrant questioning, surrounding my demise. At least let it be said that I did not die in vain.

[Hervé]

Me think that it's time for some people to quit looking at the pictures of reality they conjured up in their mind and start confronting the actual, factual reality... real bodies got really chopped up in there.I don't see many, if any, of us denying that.

If I should get blown to h*ll someday in some horrific fashion ... I hope no one will use the horrific nature of my departure to discourage questioning the larger circumstances, if they warrant questioning, surrounding the circumstances of my demise. At least let it be said that I did not die in vain.

I guess I should have specified the comment to be addressed to the individuals who keep seeing the bombing site as a movie set, contrary to the graphic evidence as in "real bodies got really chopped up in there" (that's the "actual, factual reality" I was talking about...), just to maintain distractions and misdirections over something deadly serious... my bad.

Nothing against digging into the bigger picture that's behind this event and its occurrence.

PS:
Beware of psyops artists making you see things that aren't there... (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209)<---) ... as I called it in post # 464 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664758&viewfull=1#post664758).

[ThePythonicCow]

If they said we will kill your family if you don't say what we tell you to , What would you say?

I'd have to ask myself -- could I make a big enough difference to justify the death of my family?

[ThePythonicCow]

I guess I should have specified the comment to be addressed to the individuals who keep seeing the bombing site as a movie set, contrary to the graphic evidence as in "real bodies got really chopped up in there" (that's the "actual, factual reality" I was talking about...), just to maintain distractions and misdirections over something deadly serious... my bad.
My take is that there are elements of real bombs and injuries, mixed with elements of stagecraft.

In other words, my asking whether some particular element was stagecraft doesn't mean that I think it was all stagecraft. Indeed, I don't think such. I think there were two real bombs and some real resulting injuries and deaths.

But the real reason for my previous response to you, about my own hypothetical (I hope!) gory death, was that your earlier post reminded me of the responses I have gotten to questioning previous events, such as 9/11. I've heard in response that I was dishonoring the dead by questioning the story we were being told of what happened, as if I were pissing on their grave.

That's not what you actually said ... you just posted the antecedent observation that real people died and were maimed. I agree with that.

But I had developed a bit of an allergic reaction to that correct observation that you made, as it sometimes has led to "politically correct indignation" being (ab)used to justify censoring critical analysis.

[Hervé]

[...]
My take is that there are elements of real bombs and injuries, mixed with elements of stagecraft.

In other words, my asking whether some particular element was stagecraft doesn't mean that I think it was all stagecraft. Indeed, I don't think such. I think there were two real bombs and some real resulting injuries and deaths.

But the real reason for my previous response to you, about my own hypothetical (I hope!) gory death, was that your earlier post reminded me of the responses I have gotten to questioning previous events, such as 9/11. I've heard in response that I was dishonoring the dead by questioning the story we were being told of what happened, as if I were pissing on their grave.

That's not what you actually said ... you just posted the antecedent observation that real people died and were maimed. I agree with that.

But I had developed a bit of an allergic reaction to that correct observation that you made, as it sometimes has led to "politically correct indignation" being (ab)used to justify censoring critical analysis.

Thanks Paul for letting me know how you got that allergy (I guess you are not the only one either).

Personally, what I end up considering as the stagecraft portion of the incident is not in any fakery in the casualties but the fact that it was set right in front of a galore of media outlets,TVs, video crews, photographers, etc...

After all, according to Sue Arrigo, agencies have a large clientele to cater snuff films to... Rockefeller seemed to have been happy with 9-11 to the point of commissioning sculptures of people jumping off the buildings in memory of its gore... but weren't left on display due to mass public outcry.

[Hervé]

All right...

... now, for an attempt at lifting that curtain to see what's behind...

From http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/22/was-boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-with-the-cia/:

Was Boston Bombers ‘Uncle Ruslan’ with the CIA?
Posted on April 22, 2013 (http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/22/was-boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-with-the-cia/) by Daniel Hopsicker (http://www.madcowprod.com/author/dhopsicker/)

The uncle of the two men who set off bombs at the Boston Marathon, who struck the only grace note in an otherwise horrific week, worked as a “consultant” for the Agency for International Development (USAID) a U.S. Government Agency often used for cover by agents of the CIA, in the former Soviet Republic of Kazakhstan during the “Wild West” days of the early 1990’s, when anything that wasn’t nailed down in that country was up for grabs.

http://www.madcowprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ruslan.gif (http://www.madcowprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ruslan.gif)

“Uncle Ruslan” Tsarni of Montgomery Village Md., whose name was the top trending topic worldwide on Twitter last Friday for his plain-spoken condemnation of his two nephews, has had a checkered business career, that began well before he graduated (as Ruslan Z Tsarnaev) from Duke Law School in 1998.

Tsarni, a well-connected oil executive, is currently involved in an international criminal investigation into a Kazakh billionaire banker-turned-fugitive alleged to have absconded with $6 billion from Kazakhstan’s BTA Bank.

The story begins with The London Sunday Times on May 8, 2011, (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article621056.ece) which reported the sale of the personal home of England’s Prince Andrew to billionaire Kazakh Oligarch Timur Kulibayev, who “controls that country’s oil industry and happens to be married to the daughter of its autocratic President Nursultan Nazarbayev.”

What does that have to do with "Uncle Ruslan?" Let's take a look.

"Can't tell your Oligarchs without a scorecard"

[...]

A "connected" family?
Before the Tsarnaev family moved to the United States a decade ago, they lived in the northern Kyrgyz town of Tokmok, near the border with Kazakhstan, which is home of the country's largest ethnic Chechen community.

The day after the massive manhunt in the Boston area that led to the death of Tamerlan and the capture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Radio Free Europe and Kyrgyz Service (http://www.rferl.org/content/tsarnaev-childhood-family-kyrgyzstan-chechnya-daghestan/24963691.html)correspondent Timur Toktonaliev traveled to Tokmok.

From there, he reported that the extended Tsarnaev family is well-known there, even beyond their local community.

“It is not known if there was anything more than a personal connection,” the story reported, “but organized crime boss Aziz Batukaev, who is also an ethnic Chechen, lived next door to the Tsarnaevs. Batukaev grew up and lived in Tokmok, but is now in Chechnya.

Halliburton executives, suspected CIA assets, Chechnyan crime bosses, oligarchs stealing billions from banks and laundering money with seeming impunity, fire-eaters, peacock-feathered stilt-walkers, and a girl swinging on a trapeze pouring vodka into ice sculptures shaped like naked male and female torsos…

If there hadn't been two of them, the investigation would already be pointing to a single misfit, a lone nut bomber.


Full article: http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/22/was-boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-with-the-cia/

[Dennis Leahy]

Aha - another "update" on this. Consider the following Youtube analysis uploaded 3 days ago:


7-fDFZF9h8Y

Perhaps the young kid did have his backpack on, and someone Photoshopped it out of the image.
The photo was taken by David Green, and was uploaded to his Fazebook page. I downloaded the image, blew it up 1000x and saved a copy (as a PNG file, to have the most accurate representation with no more compression loss.)

HOWEVER, this 'analysis' needs to be done on the original file that came from the camera. If it was in RAW format in the camera, there is more detail in the dark areas that can easily be pulled from the image. If it was JPG, then it has already gotten some compression loss. If Fbook then compresses it again, it has undergone two steps of compression loss. So, with those caveats, here is the image:

21246

(this should be a large picture, 895x789 pixels. If it gets smashed by the forum software, I'll upload it to a site and link it instead.)

Dennis

[Hervé]

[...]

21246

(this should be a large picture, 895x789 pixels. If it gets smashed by the forum software, I'll upload it to a site and link it instead.)

DennisThanks,

But the attachment link is not working for me...

[Dennis Leahy]

[...]

21246

(this should be a large picture, 895x789 pixels. If it gets smashed by the forum software, I'll upload it to a site and link it instead.)

DennisThanks,

But the attachment link is not working for me...
OK, I'll upload and link...

Dennis

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Here is the image (for what its worth)

http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/LittleBrotherDeparting.png

Dennis

[Earth Angel]

there is a facebook page now dedicated to Dzhokhar Tsamaev getting a fair trial https://www.facebook.com/groups/DzhokharTsarnaevisInnocent/

on the page this post blew my mind........from a blog posted in 2011 about three 18 year old boys wrongly accused of murder back in 1993.....there is a comment posted August 31. 2011 by Dzhokhar Tsamaev and it is chilling how he seems to be talking about his own situation at present

...here is an image of the post and his response

you can find the actual page here and his post is about 24 posts down in the comments http://umdfyebookblink.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/thin-slicing-turns-tragic/

[ThePythonicCow]

The photo was taken by David Green, and was uploaded to his Fazebook page. I downloaded the image, blew it up 1000x and saved a copy (as a PNG file, to have the most accurate representation with no more compression loss.)

HOWEVER, this 'analysis' needs to be done on the original file that came from the camera. If it was in RAW format in the camera, there is more detail in the dark areas that can easily be pulled from the image. If it was JPG, then it has already gotten some compression loss. If Fbook then compresses it again, it has undergone two steps of compression loss. So, with those caveats, here is the image:

21246

(this should be a large picture, 895x789 pixels. If it gets smashed by the forum software, I'll upload it to a site and link it instead.)

Dennis

The image you attached seems to be 895x789 pixels, as you hoped, but it is quite heavily pixelated. His nose is 4 pixels, and his hand 30 pixels. One cannot count fingers on his hand.

Whatever image was used in the Youtube video I linked, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-fDFZF9h8Y, appears to have better resolution. Fingers are easy to discern and the face looks human.

Here's a couple of screen shots I just took, the first one from the Youtube video I linked and the second one from your attached image, of just his face, so you can see the difference:

http://thepythoniccow.us/face_fine.png http://thepythoniccow.us/face_coarse.png
Your attachment is the coarse one on the right.

Were you seeing finer resolution when you did your analysis? If so, we should make the effort to get some better images from your work.

[turiya]

Investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, formerly with the NSA, has noteworthy former 'insider' opinion on such things CIA/FBI.
Seems that there was an FBI informant by the name of Misha that had formed a rapport with Tamerlan Tzarnaev. The Tzarnaev family expressed concern over the influence that this particular individual had over their son. No doubt the FBI would know precisely who this individual is, and any recordings of conversations that had taken place (doubtful - to say the least).

Boston Bombing Suspects Were Gov't Assets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4TChwWn93U

And here is a Democracy Now piece. Its actually two interviews - the first focuses on the CIA's involvement with the NYPD in its efforts to surveil Muslim individuals & communities in the New York City area. The more relevant second part (starts at 22:20) goes into the FBI's use of informants to target & solicit Muslims in terror plots for purposes of later entrapment.


Federal Bureau of Investigation or Instigation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7KyqwrQTc

Uploaded on Feb 26, 2012

What the hell is gang stalking?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/72110691

The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic terrorist attack. But are they busting plots—or leading them? That's the question addressed by a year-long investigation in Mother Jones magazine. It suggests FBI informants are not only busting terrorist plots, they are actually leading them so the FBI can later claim victories in the so-called "war on terror." In collaboration with the Investigative Reporting Program at the University of California, Berkeley, reporter Trevor Aaronson examined more than 500 terrorism-related cases and found that nearly half the prosecutions involved the use of informants, many of them incentivized by cash rewards up to $100,000 per assignment. We speak with Aaronson and are also joined by James Wedick, a retired FBI agent who worked for the Bureau for 35 years, and Gadeir Abbas, staff attorney for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

Mother Jones Article Excerpt:

The Informants
The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?



The bureau now maintains a roster of 15,000 spies, some paid as much as $100,000 per case, many of them tasked with infiltrating Muslim communities in the United States.



Ever since 9/11, counterterrorism has been the FBI's No. 1 priority, consuming the lion's share of its budget—$3.3 billion, compared to $2.6 billion for organized crime—and much of the attention of field agents and a massive, nationwide network of informants. After years of emphasizing informant recruiting as a key task for its agents, the bureau now maintains a roster of 15,000 spies—many of them tasked with infiltrating Muslim communities in the United States. In addition, for every informant officially listed in the bureau's records, there are as many as three unofficial ones, according to one former high-level FBI official, known in bureau parlance as "hip pockets."

The informants could be doctors, clerks, imams. Some might not even consider themselves informants. But the FBI regularly taps all of them as part of a domestic intelligence apparatus whose only historical peer might be COINTELPRO, the program the bureau ran from the '50s to the '70s to discredit and marginalize organizations ranging from the Ku Klux Klan to civil-rights and protest groups.

The bureau's strategy has changed significantly from the days when officials feared another coordinated, internationally financed attack from an Al Qaeda sleeper cell. Today, counterterrorism experts believe groups like Al Qaeda, battered by the war in Afghanistan and the efforts of the global intelligence community, have shifted to a franchise model, using the internet to encourage sympathizers to carry out attacks in their name. The main domestic threat, as the FBI sees it, is a lone wolf.

The bureau's answer has been a strategy known variously as "preemption," "prevention," and "disruption"—identifying and neutralizing potential lone wolves before they move toward action. To that end, FBI agents and informants target not just active jihadists, but tens of thousands of law-abiding people, seeking to identify those disgruntled few who might participate in a plot given the means and the opportunity. And then, in case after case, the government provides the plot, the means, and the opportunity.

"The problem with the cases we're talking about is that defendants would not have done anything if not kicked in the ass by government agents," says Martin Stolar, a lawyer who represented a man caught in a 2004 sting involving New York's Herald Square subway station. "They're creating crimes to solve crimes so they can claim a victory in the war on terror."

Read the entire article... Source (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/fbi-terrorist-informants)

turiya :cool:

[Hervé]

The FBI is well experienced and practiced in so-called sting operations, the most famous one goes back to the 70s: Abscam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam) or how to get rid of Congress...

[Earth Angel]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/

love the professional journalism
The nutty Florida Atlantic University professor who suggested the Sandy Hook school massacre was staged is at it again, blogging that the Boston Marathon bombing was some sort of government dri

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RQywonZz

[Abhaya]

Look alike kid who was confused with and falsly identified with dzhokhar at the early stages of bombings found dead??

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/16830/20130424/sunil-tripathi-dead-dies-photo-body-man-falsely-accused-boston-bomber-found-river-reddit-issues-apology-video.htm

[jackovesk]

http://i3.ytimg.com/i/vsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg/1.jpg?v=5126829f Published on Apr 22, 2013


Maret Tsarnaeva was contacted for an interview by Dan Dicks Infowars Correspondent and editor of PressForTruth.ca. He had scheduled an interview with her but when he arrived she was hesitant about conducting an interview.

He sent us the number and David Knight contacted her for a pre-interview and to schedule an interview with Alex Jones. That pre-interview was recorded on video. Alex then talked to Maret twice on the phone as she was now unwilling to conduct an interview. She felt people were listening to her phone and she made a point to say she was not being threatened. Alex wrote notes from the meeting and prepared this report.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRkky5nWdWA&feature=player_profilepage

[FBI IGNORES MEN WITH BACKPACKS AT SCENE OF BOSTON BOMBINGS]
"Other photos will not be deemed credible"
http://www.infowars.com/fbi-ignores-m...


FBI briefing on Boston bombings postponed. The FBI said it "needs more time to prepare"
http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombin...


Ben Swann analyzes the biggest national media event under a different light
http://www.infowars.com/ben-swann-rea... SEE HERE... http://youtu.be/rjW03McCgfw

[thunder24]

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2013/04/satanic-illuminati-boston-marathon.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ufo_blogger+%28UFO-Blogger.Com%29

can't help myself or did i miss this early on... found this on redicecreations... the finish line was at 666 boylston street... you don't have to believe, but someone does.... geez

[jackovesk]

http://i3.ytimg.com/i/vsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg/1.jpg?v=5126829f Published on Apr 24, 2013


Alex thwarts predictable corporate media smear attempts suggesting Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who the FBI has admitted "knowing" since at least 2011, was a fan of Infowars. Alex also continues analysis of the holes in the bombing narrative, and gives further insight into the FBI's role in creating and foiling its own terror plots.

Obama sends his own :spy: (Secret Service Agents) to Boston Bombing Press Conference


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laex8yZKQe4

[Prodigal Son]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/

love the professional journalism
The nutty Florida Atlantic University professor who suggested the Sandy Hook school massacre was staged is at it again, blogging that the Boston Marathon bombing was some sort of government dri

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RQywonZz


http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/head/logo-foxnews-update.png

This ^^^ logo is a joke, isn't it?

They make me sick. No one has sold their soul to the devil more than Sean Hannity & Co., and now they have stooped to a new low.

[InCiDeR]

Regarding the "photoshopped" missing backpack. Could it be so simple that he still have it just over his right shoulder, as in the picture below?! In that case it would be hard to spot the backpack from the viewing angle in the "photoshopped" picture!

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7017/blackbackpack.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/blackbackpack.png/)
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/8599/articlesuspect0418.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/articlesuspect0418.jpg/)

EDIT: The way his right shoulder is a bit lower than the left could actually indicate that he is still wearing the backpack over the right shoulder.


By the way.... black backpacks my @ss....

[jackovesk]

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2013/04/satanic-illuminati-boston-marathon.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ufo_blogger+%28UFO-Blogger.Com%29

can't help myself or did i miss this early on... found this on redicecreations... the finish line was at 666 boylston street... you don't have to believe, but someone does.... geez

FYI:

Apr 22, 2013


The story behind the Craft Skull logo combines several meaningful pieces of Chris Kyle's life and service.
As part of SEAL Team 3, Chris and his fellow teammates painted similar skulls on their gear in order to strike fear in the enemy.
http://www.thecraft.com/
http://www.thecraft.com/craft_skull.html


Boston 666 Boylston Str, Craft International, Chris Kyle, Illuminati Card, Skull & Bones


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVARxALYYV4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0AfB5Pp8wA&feature=player_detailpage
Christopher Scott "Chris" Kyle (April 8, 1974 -- February 2, 2013) was a United States Navy SEAL and known as the most lethal sniper in American military history, with 160 confirmed kills (out of 255 claimed kills), although these statistics have not been released by the Pentagon. Kyle was shot and killed at a shooting range by a fellow veteran on February 2, 2013, near Chalk Mountain, Texas.

Iraqis called Chris Kyle "El Shaitan" or "Devil of Ramadi"

Constantine looked up to the sun before the battle and saw a cross of light above it, and with it the Greek words "Ἐν Τούτῳ Νίκα" ("by this, win!", often rendered in the Latin "in hoc signo vinces.

Satanic Connection? Boston Marathon Finish Line was at 666 Boylston Street:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=666+Bo...

It's a remarkable paradox that Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, the 11th anniversary of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.
http://immigration.about.com/b/2013/0...

This Family Guy "Turban Cowboy" episode 16 season 11, was broadcast 17 march 2013 on the fox network.
The Boston Marathon scene was at 3:30 in that episode, the scene with the 2 bombs was at 15:00 in that same episode.

Nick Vogt
Why serve? Because it was his dream, his calling: "When he was six years old he wanted his first flat top hair cut," said Olivia, "He had already decided he wanted to be in the army. From that point on he never second-guessed that."
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/cw/...

Boston Marathon Conspiracy ... suspects being called actors by Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis, on fox news april 21, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8FbLC...

Former FBI Chief ADMITS Government is Involved in Most 'Terrorist' Attacks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nqhzs...

"'Abdullah Ibn 'Omar said, The Prophet stood up to address the people. He praised Allah as He deserved to be praised, then he spoke about the Dajjal: 'I warn you against him; there is no Prophet who has not warned his people against him, even Noah warned his people against him. But I will tell you something which no other Prophet has told his people. You must know that the Dajjal is ONE-EYED, and Allah is not one-eyed.'"

Psycho Operations, Craft International, Boston Bombings, 666 Boylston Str. Illuminati Card Game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0AfB5...

[JohnEAngel]

it's possible that the Bauman guy was given a disguise (ears, eyebrows, etc.) along with his fake blown off legs. just saying.

[Referee]

Obama's Secret Service vs Infowar's Dan Bidondi.... IMO very important!

XqXAmONnKeo

[Dennis Leahy]

The photo was taken by David Green, and was uploaded to his Fazebook page. I downloaded the image, blew it up 1000x and saved a copy (as a PNG file, to have the most accurate representation with no more compression loss.)

HOWEVER, this 'analysis' needs to be done on the original file that came from the camera. If it was in RAW format in the camera, there is more detail in the dark areas that can easily be pulled from the image. If it was JPG, then it has already gotten some compression loss. If Fbook then compresses it again, it has undergone two steps of compression loss. So, with those caveats, here is the image:

21246

(this should be a large picture, 895x789 pixels. If it gets smashed by the forum software, I'll upload it to a site and link it instead.)

Dennis

The image you attached seems to be 895x789 pixels, as you hoped, but it is quite heavily pixelated. His nose is 4 pixels, and his hand 30 pixels. One cannot count fingers on his hand.

Whatever image was used in the Youtube video I linked, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-fDFZF9h8Y, appears to have better resolution. Fingers are easy to discern and the face looks human.

Here's a couple of screen shots I just took, the first one from the Youtube video I linked and the second one from your attached image, of just his face, so you can see the difference:
http://thepythoniccow.us/face_fine.png http://thepythoniccow.us/face_coarse.pngYour attachment is the coarse one on the right.

Were you seeing finer resolution when you did your analysis? If so, we should make the effort to get some better images from your work.
The point of what I did was NOT to add or alter any pixels. Normally when an image is to be enlarged, there are a variety of algorithms in the graphics program that "create" new pixels. They do an average of the surrounding pixels values, and take their best guess and that is the color assigned to the new pixel.

If I do that, I can get a smooth enlargement - but it is not original. I wanted to show exactly what is in the image, without changing it at all.

My 1000x enlargement is as if you took a low-powered microscope to newsprint and saw the individual dots. The pixels you see ARE the dots that are really there, not enhanced in quality nor augmented in quantity - just enlarged in size.

That is actually what the image looks like when enlarged 1000 times.

This is how I would (hopefully) be able to tell if the image was "Photoshopped." When you work at high magnification on an altered image you can more easily find anomalies in some attributes of the pixels in the altered area. If I had to say based on what I see here, I'd say the guy in the video was wrong about the arm being moved. The color gradient, size of pixels, and the hardest thing to fake - the edges - of the elbow in front of the brick background don't look altered. The anomaly I do see is that the entire side of the chest and shoulder appears much more blocky/rectangular than almost anything else in the image. However, there is a man (tan coat with wide black trim on bottom) about 40 feet to the right of Dzhokhar, that is near the same focal depth from the camera, and the black band at the bottom of his coat has the same blockiness.

Update:
I have now stared at the image at various enlargements from 1:1 to 3000:1, and I don't believe it was photoshopped.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's a couple of screen shots I just took, the first one from the Youtube video I linked and the second one from your attached image, of just his face, so you can see the difference:
http://thepythoniccow.us/face_fine.png http://thepythoniccow.us/face_coarse.pngYour attachment is the coarse one on the right.

The point of what I did was NOT to add or alter any pixels. Normally when an image is to be enlarged, there are a variety of algorithms in the graphics program that "create" new pixels. They do an average of the surrounding pixels values, and take their best guess and that is the color assigned to the new pixel.
Whoa -- are you telling me that you think that the image on the left above was derived algorithmically from the image on the right by adding pixels and averaging?

I do not believe that :).

There is too much detail in the left image that is simply not there in the right image.

It's starting to look to me like whatever image you started with for your work had less useful detail than whatever image the guy producing that youtube video (from which I screen captured the face image on the left) was working from.

[Dennis Leahy]

Here's a couple of screen shots I just took, the first one from the Youtube video I linked and the second one from your attached image, of just his face, so you can see the difference:
http://thepythoniccow.us/face_fine.png http://thepythoniccow.us/face_coarse.pngYour attachment is the coarse one on the right.

The point of what I did was NOT to add or alter any pixels. Normally when an image is to be enlarged, there are a variety of algorithms in the graphics program that "create" new pixels. They do an average of the surrounding pixels values, and take their best guess and that is the color assigned to the new pixel.
Whoa -- are you telling me that you think that the image on the left above was derived algorithmically from the image on the right by adding pixels and averaging?

I do not believe that :).

There is too much detail in the left image that is simply not there in the right image.

It's starting to look to me like whatever image you started with for your work had less useful detail than whatever image the guy producing that youtube video (from which I screen captured the face image on the left) was working from.

Here is the image, the full image (as I said, as uploaded to Facebook.)
http://www.LeahyGuitars.com/Imagez/Two/DavidGreenImageBoston.jpg
960x720 (which is probably not the highest resolution image unless it was a 'point and shoot' pocket camera.)

I'm not sure what the forum software will do with that picture, so here is just that lower-mid left corner with Dzhokhar:
http://www.LeahyGuitars.com/Imagez/Two/Dzhokhar1.png
(102x75 pixels)
Yes, there are very few actual pixels out of the 960x720 full image. Dzhokhar's head is all within a 16pixel x 16 pixel square.

It is possible that the original image is much bigger (like 3600 pixels wide), and that would provide higher resolution. But, if you want to prove it to yourself, download the full street scene that I posted, put it into a graphics program and ZOOM (do not enlarge, just zoom) it 1000 times.

And yes, the enlargement algorithms (which are creating pixels that were not in the original) are very sophisticated. Ever see a photo on the side of a bus?

Once you use the enlargement algorithm, it is much much more difficult to see if a photo has been altered (because the enlargement algorithm IS altering the image considerably), and trying to determine if the image had been digitally altered was the point of my post. :~)

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is the image, the full image (as I said, as uploaded to Facebook.)
Yes, I agree, that image is pixelated as you describe, and as seen in the "coarse" (right side) image below:

http://thepythoniccow.us/face_fine.png http://thepythoniccow.us/face_coarse.png
I understand that is the image you were working with, and that you carefully avoid any more detail obscuring transformations on that image.

Good.

Now ... where did the author of the Youtube video, from which I screen shot the more detailed face on the left, get his image?

I remain confident that his image has more legitimate detail, that the chain of transformations done on his image between the original and when the face from it ended up posted by myself above was never pixelated as much as the chain of transformations done on the image you are working with.

[InCiDeR]

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4481/backpackzoomed.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/backpackzoomed.png/)

[Dennis Leahy]

...It's starting to look to me like whatever image you started with for your work had less useful detail than whatever image the guy producing that youtube video (from which I screen captured the face image on the left) was working from.I tried to see if I could get a reasonable facsimile of the enlarged image, using my software. I couldn't.

I started from a very small crop, and enlarged it a step at a time (115%), three times, then used a a very light "unsharp mask." I repeated this several times to get about as large as your YouTube Screen grab - and the face had a porcine nose.

There are newer and much better fractal enlargement algorithms that what I have (something I just don't use, don't need, and so haven't purchased), but I do think that I don't have a copy of the full resolution image (too few dots-per-inch. So, I agree.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4481/backpackzoomed.png

Good image ... thanks!

Can you tell us the "chain of custody" of that image, so far as you know it? Where did you get it, and what did you do to it?

Thanks.

[Dennis Leahy]

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4481/backpackzoomed.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/backpackzoomed.png/)

I think I'm going off a bit on a tangent if I keep talking about this photo, but I'm curious

1.) what image did you start with, and
2.) what technique and software did you use to do that enlargement.

The original I used was 960x720x120ppi. I know the zoom image that I screen captured was an accurate representation of the original pixels I was working with, but I have no software that could take a 120ppi image and get anywhere near the enlargement algorithm or technique you used. I'm guessing that you found a much higher resolution image to start from - or you are a digital imaging wizard.

Thanks,

Dennis

[InCiDeR]

I searched for the highest resolution for that scene on internet. I found a .jpg that was 635x400x96dpi 24bit, Sadly I can't remember where I found it:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8599/articlesuspect0418.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/articlesuspect0418.jpg/)

I simply used Paint in Windows 7 to crop it, then I resized it with Paint as well. No magic tools here, just the ordinary stuff ;)

I saved the picture as .png and uploaded it to imagehack (then they probably did some unknown things with the image as well)

Still it is hard to tell if this is photoshopped or not. Sometimes I believe I see a square in the area that guy was talking about, but then again I believe it is just my imagination.

[ThePythonicCow]

I searched for the highest resolution for that scene on internet. I found a .jpg that was 635x400x96dpi 24bit, Sadly I can't remember where I found it:
Ok - thanks.

I went searching now, and the best I could find (using Google image search for "Dzhokhar runner florida") was with the article Boston Marathon Runner: I Photographed Dzhokhar Tsarnaev After the Bombings (people.com) (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20693337,00.html).

This article reads in part as follows:




Days before a Watertown citizen helped lead police to the second suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, another ordinary civilian provided a photo that helped identify the most wanted man in America.

In the chaos immediately after the Boston Marathon blasts, David Green took a picture with his smartphone before helping those who had been injured in the second blast.

It wasn't until three days later, when officials released video of the two suspects, that Green realized that he had a clear photo of suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev walking away from the scene.

Green, the CEO of a sportswear company who ran the marathon, immediately understood the importance of taking the picture. "I was in New York during 9/11," he tells PEOPLE. "You just have to document something, [so] I pulled my phone out and took one picture."

"Then I ran into the crowd to help whoever was there. I got back to the hotel, called the FBI and said I had the photo, then I posted it on Facebook."

Three days later, he saw the first videos of the suspects, and realized what he had done. "A buddy of mine said, 'You need to check your photo.' And sure enough I had a high res photo that showed [the suspect]. You could see the bag that carried the bomb was gone." The photo, he adds, "caught a pretty interesting moment in history – this guy walking away."

Google image search provides the following cropped portion of that image at the best resolution I can find:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-running--from-bombing--closeup.jpg
I have copied the image from Google to my server, without any processing. This is a 768 × 1024 pixels jpg image.

Apparently whatever David Green uploaded to his Facebook site ended up being just a reduced resolution version of the entire image, not a higher resolution or cropped version of the portion of interest.

Comparing your image with mine up close (further cropped and view magnified, using Gimp on my computer) it seems that our two images have similar resolution, but that mine is "blotchier".

[ThePythonicCow]

Huffington Post has more details on David Green and this image in the article David Green, Boston Marathon Runner, Allegedly Snaps Photo Of Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Fleeing (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/david-green-boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-photo_n_3118601.html), including this image of David Green holding up the iPhone he used to capture the image:




http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1096197/thumbs/r-DAVID-GREEN-BOSTON-large570.jpg?6




David Green holds up his iPhone with a photo on it he took after the Boston Marathon bombing Friday, April 19, 2013, at his home in Jacksonville, Fla. Seconds after the Boston Marathon bombs exploded, Green pulled out his smartphone and took the photo of the chaos developing a couple hundred yards in front of him -- the smoke, the people running in panic. The Jacksonville businessman then put his phone back in this pocket and went to help the injured. It wasn’t until Thursday that Green realize
Here is a Google street view link to the location where David Green must have been when he took this picture: http://goo.gl/maps/mQf2q

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is at the corner of Boylston Street and Fairfield Street, in front of the Anthropologie store in the 700 block of Boylston.

Dzhokhar would have been about 300 yards down Boylston from the location of the first bomb explosion, and given here (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-boylston-st-reopens-time-bombing-article-1.1325965) that the two bombs were about 100 yards apart, he would have been 200 yards from the location of the second bomb, both locations behind him.

[ThePythonicCow]

Dzhokhar would have been about 300 yards down Boylston from the location of the first bomb explosion, and given here (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-boylston-st-reopens-time-bombing-article-1.1325965) that the two bombs were about 100 yards apart, he would have been 200 yards from the location of the second bomb, both locations behind him.
Ah - here's more accurate information on the location of the two explosions: Site of the Explosions at the Boston Marathon (NY Times) (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/04/15/us/site-of-the-boston-marathon-explosion.html?_r=0).

The explosions were about 180 yards (550 feet) apart, not 100 yards. Still, both locations are behind Dzhokhar, by 300 yards and 120 yards, respectively. The full image that David Green took is looking up Boylston Street, toward the Finish Line for the Boston marathon, and towards both explosions.

===

Aha - finally - I found a full, high resolution version, which I have uploaded to http://thepythoniccow.us/david_green_boston_marathon_bombings_high_res.JPG . It is a 3264 × 2448 pixels jpg image. I found it searching for "david green boston marathon". Also the Boston Herald has a moderately cropped high res image at http://bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/ap/023769aee37f45259f324aed14e21d18.jpg

===

In any case, I see no clear evidence that these images are photoshopped, and I see no evidence of a visible backpack. However I am sure a sufficiently competent photoshopper could make a backpack disappear from such images without my being able to detect the changes.

[araucaria]

I searched for the highest resolution for that scene on internet. I found a .jpg that was 635x400x96dpi 24bit, Sadly I can't remember where I found it:
Ok - thanks.

...

http://thepythoniccow.us/Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-running--from-bombing--closeup.jpg


Sorry if I have not been paying attention, but isn't this the photo that was described as showing this guy with a black backpack after the explosion? If so, what looked like a backpack is just his arm bent backwards.

[ThePythonicCow]

Sorry if I have not been paying attention, but isn't this the photo that was described as showing this guy with a black backpack after the explosion? If so, what looked like a backpack is just his arm bent backwards.

The backpack story has had many variants. I don't recall a variant that said there was an image of him having a black backpack after the explosion. Perhaps there was such a variant and I've forgotten.

The most recent variant that I recall, to which the last few pages of posts on this thread are responding, was the variant that I posted in Post #574 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665768&viewfull=1#post665768) above, claiming that these pictures showing him not having a backpack were photoshopped to hide a backpack.

That claim of photoshopping led us (especially Dennis and myself) on a wild goose chase to find the best version of this image we could find, to see if it looked photoshopped.

Well ... one can never prove the absence of photoshopping. But so far we're not finding any evidence to support the claim it was photoshopped, so most likely either his backpack is on his right side, hidden by his body and arm, or else he left the backpack behind. If we knew which, that would be a huge piece of evidence toward his guilt or innocence. However ... we don't know.

[heysoulsister]

Can I just say
"Can ANYONE show us the video footage of the "Suspects" dropping or placing down them backpacks :confused:
- REALLY..... THAT is where all the proof is at. Or should be at and NEEDS to be Released!!!
And yet they released images of these young men, NEVER EVER showed ANY images of them putting down the backpacks.
Come on - really - is it too much to ask too see the images of the drop off of the bags, WE ALL NEED to see them.

Personally I think that Craft were involved, and there were craft operatives in "plain clothes" whom actually placed the bomb, whilst their team mates made sure the job was carried out, civilian clothes.
Those kids were controlled Patsy's.
We should all be showing an equal amout of attention to Waco TX and yet we are not :/ That worries me greatly... common gang, lift the game

[Slorri]

"Monday, April 22, 2013

Can you please do a reading on the Boston Marathon bombings from the bombing to the manhunt and lock down? Who is behind it? And why? We would like to know what your take on that...thank you."
can-you-please-do-reading-on-boston (http://psychicfocus.blogspot.se/2013/04/can-you-please-do-reading-on-boston.html)

[ThePythonicCow]

Can I just say
"Show US the video footage of the "Suspects" dropping or placing down them backpacks - REALLY..... THAT is where all the proof is at.

...
We should all be showing an equal amout of attention to Waco TX and yet we are not :/
You can say it ... they will never listen :).

By "Waco" do you mean the Fertilizer Factory Explosion (West, Texas, USA - 17 April 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58269-Fertilizer-Factory-Explosion--West-Texas-USA-17-April-2013-)?

[jackovesk]

Obama's Secret Service vs Infowar's Dan Bidondi.... IMO very important!

XqXAmONnKeo
:bump:



.... IMO very important!


Agreed Ref...:yes4:

Isn't it funny how the (Main Message) both Alex & Dan were portraying near the end, more often than not falls onto 'Deaf Ears'...:ear: Sorry nobody home...:faint:

[heysoulsister]

I can do reading
- but for who???
Sorry but pass, mate.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



By "Waco" do you mean the Fertilizer Factory Explosion (West, Texas, USA - 17 April 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58269-Fertilizer-Factory-Explosion--West-Texas-USA-17-April-2013-)?

Hi Paul - yes I meant the Fertiliser plant - it needs just as much air time IMHO - but that is JUST my opinion .

[humanalien]

If you look at araucari posted picture of Dzhokhar
or if you download pauls, hi res picture and look
at it with picture preview and resize it, Dzhokhars
left hand has a whole bunch of blotchy spots like
smoke or something, surrounding it.

No one else in pauls pictures has that problem, except
for pixelation.

Is that a sign of photoshopping? I'm no expert, so
that's why i ask.

A video posted here said that Dzhokhar was wearing
his backpack on his right side and someone photoshopped
his left arm, to bend it back further, to hide the backpack
from view.

[turiya]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/

love the professional journalism
The nutty Florida Atlantic University professor who suggested the Sandy Hook school massacre was staged is at it again, blogging that the Boston Marathon bombing was some sort of government dri

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RQywonZz




"James Tracy, a tenured associate professor of media history and analysis studies, posted his latest conspiracy on his personal blog, claiming that the bombing attack that killed three and injured nearly 200 was a “mass casualty drill” planned by the government.

“In short, the event closely resembles a mass-casualty drill, which for training purposes are designed to be as lifelike as possible,” Tracy wrote in an April 22 post on memoryholeblog.com titled, “Witnessing Boston’s Mass Casualty Event." “Since it is mediated, however, and primarily experienced from afar through the careful assemblage of words, images and the official pronouncements and commentary of celebrity journalists, it has the semblance of being, for all practical purposes, ‘real.’”

Tracy supports his claims with what he says is photographic proof that, “suggests the possibility of play actors getting into position after the detonation of what may in fact have been a smoke bomb or similarly benign explosive.”"
Source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RTXjAnfq)


Here's some back-up for the "nutty professor", James Tracy...

Mass Casualty Exercise at Community College of Aurora in Colorado

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHGLdtR2WU


Published on May 10, 2011

This video, produced by CCA's renowned Colorado Film School, shows a simulated disaster and response scenario. These scenarios are used to train emergency responders. CCA EMS and police academy students participated, in partnership with CCA's Disaster Management Institute, as well as actors from CCA's Theatre Department.

turiya :cool:

[InCiDeR]

Great find of that high resolution picture Paul! I put it into some programs I have on my computer, but I wasn't able to catch anything out of normal in the photo. But as you said, an expert would probably do this good enough for any amateur to catch it!


...Three days later, he saw the first videos of the suspects, and realized what he had done. "A buddy of mine said, 'You need to check your photo.' And sure enough I had a high res photo that showed [the suspect]. You could see the bag that carried the bomb was gone." The photo, he adds, "caught a pretty interesting moment in history – this guy walking away."...

Interesting how they manipulate our mind all the time, with sneaky little comments like this, without the majority noticing it. How could he be so sure that it was a bomb in the backpack that was missing? Maybe because he read about it in the media, nicht wahr!? Has he seen any evidence? NO, most definately not. But now will his remark/comment be valuated as confirmation/evidence. Interesting how they plant evidence in readers/peoples mind by circular reasoning.

All together now: "His backpack was not black as the backpack apparently were that contained the bombs and shown as evidence by mainstream media and police!" [/end rant]

Far from it. So from where did he get that backpack? Handed by the CST personell? And what happened with his own backpack (if he is not still carrying it over his right shoulder in the "after explosion" picture)? OHHH, I would love to see a picture from an opposite angle...

[Hervé]

[...]



... after the detonation of what may in fact have been a smoke bomb or similarly benign explosive.”"
Source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RTXjAnfq)
[...]

That argument doesn't hold; see post # 582 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665826&viewfull=1#post665826)

[SilentFeathers]

Sure has been a bunch of "explosions" lately, seems it's becoming the norm and or a conditioning; I wonder if the next one will be in Louisiana at the sink hole....

[gripreaper]

Sure has been a bunch of "explosions" lately, seems it's becoming the norm and or a conditioning;

Quit waking up then if you want to stop explosions. As long as you continue to expose the lies and deceit, then the elite have no choice but to up their fear mongering. All you internet sleuths keep uncovering the botched false flags.

[SilentFeathers]

Check this out, hypocrisy has no bounds...


Patrick administration refuses to release Tsarnaev brothers' records

The Patrick administration clamped down the lid yesterday on Herald requests for details of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s government benefits, citing the dead terror mastermind’s right to privacy.

Across the board, state agencies flatly refused to provide information about the taxpayer-funded lifestyle for the 26-year-old man and his brother and accused accomplice Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19.

On EBT card status or spending, state welfare spokesman Alec Loftus would only say Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his wife and 3-year-old daughter received benefits that ended in 2012. He declined further comment.

On unemployment compensation, labor department spokesman Kevin Franck refused to say whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev ever collected, saying it was “confidential and not a matter of public record.”

On Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s college aid, University of Massachusetts Dartmouth spokesman Robert Connolly said, “It is our position — and I believe the accepted position in higher education — that student records including academic records and financial records (including financial aid) cannot under federal law be released without a student’s consent.”

On cellphones, the Federal Communications Commission would not say whether either brother had a government-paid cellphone, also citing privacy laws.

On housing, Cambridge officials and the family’s landlord ducked questions on whether the brothers were ever on Section 8 assistance.

The Herald reported yesterday that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his wife and 3-year-old daughter collected welfare until 2012 and that both Tamerlan and Dzhokhar received benefits through their parents “for a limited portion” of the time after they came to the U.S., which was around 2002.

However, the Department of Transitional Assistance wouldn’t release information about how long or how much they received.

It remains unclear how the accused bomber brothers financed their heartless attacks on the marathon.

The administration was slammed by a Democratic congressman who insisted the public has a right to know how taxpayers were underwriting the accused jihadist Tsarnaevs.

“It’s certainly relevant information that should be made public,” U.S. Rep. Stephen F. Lynch told the Herald. “There’s a national security interest No. 1. Secondly, there’s also a public interest in finding out whether these individuals were able to exploit the system and get benefits they weren’t entitled to.”

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev lies hospitalized and facing capital charges that include using a weapon of mass destruction that killed three people and injured 260 near the Boston Marathon finish line.

Taxpayers — already on the hook for Tsarnaev’s court-appointed attorneys in the terror plot — continue to pay his mounting medical bills at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.

The public also paid for Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s attorney when the Russian national successfully fought criminal charges in 2009 that he battered a former girlfriend.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/patrick_administration_refuses_to_release_tsarnaev_brothers

[spiritguide]

Breaking news at VT......

Breaking: Third Bomb Explodes in Boston

Article lead in...

America’s Government Betrays its People once Again

Dear Readers: This story will be updated during the day as we sift through what we are finding and begin to piece it together more.

… by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor

They say he is the spitting image of his father
Oh, no…don’t say I tricked you with the title. This is a news bomb if there ever was one. The Saudi national that Glenn Beck has been making a big fuss over is…Osama bin Laden’s son, Al-Harbi.

But this is just for openers. His nick name is the Crown Prince of Terror, and has been reported to have vowed revenge on the US for killing his father.

While we don’t have confirmation of his nickname and threat, we do know he has 3-B status…terrorist.

Yeah…it kind of upset my morning, too. Dear folks, this is what we get when we have a system of government where 90% of what they classify is for no other reason than to hide from us what they know we would have them hanging from light poles if we knew they were doing.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, they want to be able to hit a few keystrokes and know everything about us, past and present, even if you are the shoe shin man. I wrote in an artile on the King Abdullah II, of Jordan’s police state, that you cannot even set up a shoe shine stand there without a security clearance.

When I want to bed last night after working on some other emerging bombs on the Boston bombing, coming soon…I was taking some more time to review again what the local media took a pass on with their extensive reporting.

Article link......

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/25/breaking-third-bomb-explodes-in-boston/

The conspiracy widens and goes deep within the cover of national security secrets witheld from us for keeping us confused and off balance. IMHO

Updated the article this afternoon ....

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks Lou. For I am living in FEAR but im abbreviating it quite the opposite. If you will.

F reedom
E nlightenment
A scension (Defined as Expansion of Awareness)
R ethinking from Innerself or Rinse and Repeat

They TPTW dislike my way of thinking im sure. So im going to continue on thinking my way....

[RMorgan]

Some news...

From NBCnews tweeter account "CONFIRMED: Brown University student falsely identified as Boston bombing suspect found dead in Providence River"

Link: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/327429935226552320

...And another possible suspect, a woman:

http://i.imgur.com/uGSnNXI.jpg

Raf.

[Hervé]

[...]

Well ... one can never prove the absence of photoshopping. But so far we're not finding any evidence to support the claim it was photoshopped, so most likely either his backpack is on his right side, hidden by his body and arm, or else he left the backpack behind. If we knew which, that would be a huge piece of evidence toward his guilt or innocence. However ... we don't know.


http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/73369/width/640/height/1000/flags/LL


Picture from: http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/73369/width/640/height/1000/flags/LL


... now... if that's the backpack which contained the 2sd bomb, then Dzhokhar Tsarnaev couldn't have left it there since he was walking behind the line of spectators...

The kid in the blue circle is the late Nick Martin.

[ThePythonicCow]

Remember this guy and the whole theory built around his behaviour?:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pHjQLHn1xCUMVbhfNhVFkrDkYEWiwIM90F_nd9xejuBfdocJmstaFeglHO2mZ0LhHDnMlCQ4FKg0SzpGrzAxixOCMl0AH8wmh/Runaway-01.gif?psid=1


... well... he came back! I guess he needed to process his adrenaline rush since he has functioning legs:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is the above running, then returning, man the same as the one in the following Breaking: Third Bomb Explodes in Boston (Veterans Today) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/25/breaking-third-bomb-explodes-in-boston/) article?






http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/abc-gma-ross-pictures-130417-wg-jpg_162419-e1366894204369.jpg
America’s Government Betrays its People once Again

Dear Readers: This story will be updated during the day as we sift through what we are finding and begin to piece it together more.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

See spiritguide's Post 643 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=666377#post666377) above for more details on this Saudi man.

[ThePythonicCow]

Breaking news at VT......

Breaking: Third Bomb Explodes in Boston

Article lead in...

America’s Government Betrays its People once Again

Dear Readers: This story will be updated during the day as we sift through what we are finding and begin to piece it together more.

… by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor

They say he is the spitting image of his father
Oh, no…don’t say I tricked you with the title. This is a news bomb if there ever was one. The Saudi national that Glenn Beck has been making a big fuss over is…Osama bin Laden’s son, Al-Harbi.

I merged this new thread on the VT article about Osama bin Laden’s son, Al-Harbi, in with the main Boston marathon bombing thread.

The way VT edits their site, it made sense to be a separate article there. But we've been going with fewer, bigger threads here (neither way is perfect ... doing the best we can.)

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of related stories from RT ..........

Boston bombing facts & fantasies: Tsarnaevs felonious or framed?

kJIePGOM610

Published on 25 Apr 2013


The investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings continues,
with journalists hunting for every new detail. RT's Anastasia
Churkina looks into the background of the two suspects and
the way they're being portrayed by the global media.


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Putin on Boston blasts: We suffered from terrorists, called 'insurgents' by West

RxB4SOsh1G8


Published on 25 Apr 2013


The deadly bombing of Boston Marathon confirms Russia's position that
terrorists are a common threat to all nations and must never be supported
for political gains, says Russian President Vladimir Putin. Putin was
commenting in Moscow during his annual Q&A session on the flood
of comments in the US, many of them from common people, which
blamed Russia, where the suspects in the bombing were born, over
the crime.

[Hervé]

Another piece of the puzzle falling into place:


[...]

This leaves open the question of were exactly is the bomb blast spot located: is it the dark patch on the pavement in the above picture or is it located closer to the street?

[...]




Blast spot location:


http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=boston%20bombing&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=7V7Q7L2z7EptSM&tbnid=8BjSjZ1EHA-i3M:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csmonitor.com%2FUSA%2FDC-Decoder%2F2013%2F0423%2FWas-Boston-Marathon-bombing-a-US-intelligence-failure&ei=b095UY2vGtHLtAbsgoDIDw&psig=AFQjCNEcWV2kaMYFJq8XPskRrlr5c_-ZEA&ust=1366991034246684http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2013/0423-boston-marathon-bombing-us-intel-failure/15610497-1-eng-US/0423-Boston-Marathon-bombing-US-intel-failure_full_600.jpg

http://www.pakalertpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-bombing-FBI-backlash-risks-turning-US-into-surveillance-state.jpg


This validates Jeff Bauman's assertion that he looked in the eyes of the guy who dropped a bag at his feet... and explains the broken windows on the 1st and 2sd floors above the "Lens Crafters" store.

[Hervé]

Remember this guy and the whole theory built around his behaviour?:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pHjQLHn1xCUMVbhfNhVFkrDkYEWiwIM90F_nd9xejuBfdocJmstaFeglHO2mZ0LhHDnMlCQ4FKg0SzpGrzAxixOCMl0AH8wmh/Runaway-01.gif?psid=1


... well... he came back! I guess he needed to process his adrenaline rush since he has functioning legs:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is the above running, then returning, man the same as the one in the following Breaking: Third Bomb Explodes in Boston (Veterans Today) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/25/breaking-third-bomb-explodes-in-boston/) article?
[...]

Indeed!

Seems like VT is resorting to MSM tricks to catch attention... however the guy running with shredded pants is not Al-Harbi

[ThePythonicCow]

This validates Jeff Bauman's assertion that he looked in the eyes of the guy who dropped a bag at his feet... and explains the broken windows on the 1st and 2sd floors above the "Lens Crafters" store.
I thought Jeff Bauman was at the first bomb location, but you're showing street images for the second bomb location.

er eh ... where did I go wrong?

[Hervé]

This validates Jeff Bauman's assertion that he looked in the eyes of the guy who dropped a bag at his feet... and explains the broken windows on the 1st and 2sd floors above the "Lens Crafters" store.
I thought Jeff Bauman was at the first bomb location, but you're showing street images for the second bomb location.

er eh ... where did I go wrong?

First bomb (time wise) location near the marathon finish line:


http://image.mcot.net/media/images/1366080428/13660804282316.jpg
Background: "Lens Crafters" store front with broken windows, "Marathon Place" store front with the black fence.



Second explosion (time wise) site:


http://photo.parismatch.com/media/photos2/actu/monde/enqueteurs-a-boston/5463900-1-fre-FR/Enqueteurs-a-Boston.jpg


"Forum" bar, mail box next to tree, where the late Nick Martin stood...


If you end up being confused and/or disorientated with all the stuff locations, it makes me wonder about most readers... never mind the MSM followers; it all must be a fuzzy blur. I guess that's another intended result of the floods of dis-related, so-called, informations.

[ThePythonicCow]

This validates Jeff Bauman's assertion that he looked in the eyes of the guy who dropped a bag at his feet... and explains the broken windows on the 1st and 2sd floors above the "Lens Crafters" store.
I thought Jeff Bauman was at the first bomb location, but you're showing street images for the second bomb location.

er eh ... where did I go wrong?

First bomb (time wise) location near the marathon finish line:

Background: "Lens Crafters" store front with broken windows, "Marathon Place" store front with the black fence.


Second explosion (time wise) site:


"Forum" bar, mail box next to tree, where the late Nick Martin stood...


If you end up being confused and/or disorientated with all the stuff locations, it makes me wonder about most readers... never mind the MSM followers; it all must be a fuzzy blur. I guess that's another intended result of the floods of dis-related, so-called, informations.



[/CENTER]

Aha - I got faked out by similar looking buildings in the background. Look at this Google sky view: http://goo.gl/maps/SKgOE. You will have to widen your window to see both points A and B that I labeled in this view (I am on a 2560 pixel wide display.)

Here are closeups of the two bomb locations (labeled A and B) from that view:

http://thepythoniccow.us/boston_bomb_A.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/boston_bomb_B.png

Looking at just the second story and up, in both cases, there are (roughly speaking) larger and darker buildings to the left, a narrower building just three or four windows wide, and another larger whiter building or two to the right. (The larger darker building to the left in case B is mostly cut off with my cropping, as it was behind another building in this Google view.)

It was this (rough) similarity of the upper parts of the buildings at the two locations that faked me out.

Thanks!

[turiya]

[...]



... after the detonation of what may in fact have been a smoke bomb or similarly benign explosive.”"
Source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RTXjAnfq)
[...]

That argument doesn't hold; see post # 582 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665826&viewfull=1#post665826)

There was no argument attempt that was made -- go fish!

turiya :cool:

[Hervé]

[...]


... after the detonation of what may in fact have been a smoke bomb or similarly benign explosive.”"
Source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RTXjAnfq)
[...]

That argument doesn't hold; see post # 582 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665826&viewfull=1#post665826)

There was no argument attempt that was made -- go fish!

turiya :cool:




Who are the "real" other ones (see post # 474 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664863&viewfull=1#post664863))?


Like the "guy # 2"? (see post # 555 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665398&viewfull=1#post665398))... or the dead ones?...


WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC!



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1paPNt7wP8M13lOit-9sfltUreUZe4D4ju74Xr0w4gVDC3KQw8d_EO4XOdKk4LV-YrxkZZUzcltCpNBQP1CKB6AcFv7ifOwnej/ss%20(2013-04-16%20at%2006.13.26)a.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pl7yw049mEasgresLwIF0-2oeVyUD7fn_pWv5ZAXpZHtT-OePpbiYqt4M61P1MdPcLTSYoi2kIOZ1H_wZXQ9UJOnohwGT3qAV/GoreGrish.GG1366075368760.jpg?psid=1
Guy # 2...


Me think that it's time for some people to quit looking at the pictures of reality they conjured up in their mind and start confronting the actual, factual reality... real bodies got really chopped up in there.




... or supporting it in the name of "just bringing it in for you to judge."


:bigfish:

[onawah]

Boston Globe Tweet: 'Bomb Squad Activities' Near Finish Line Before Explosions


On April 15, at 12:53PM the Boston Globe
tweeted that in "one minute," there would
be a controlled explosion across the street
from the library on Boylston St. in Boston,
as part of "bomb squad activities".

At 2:49PM one bomb DID go off at the
address indicated by the Globe - which
was *exactly* where the controversial
"pressure cooker" bomb allegedly went off,
as this video so aptly demonstrates.

The Boston Public Library is EXACTLY across
the street from where one of the explosions
went off, in front of the Finish Line. Have you
heard this in any of the countless TV and
newspaper reports on this huge story in the
news, this week? I hadn't!

I DID hear about a potential 3rd bomb at the
JFK Library. That facility is 3.5 miles away
from the other 2 explosions and that event
turned out to be an unrelated mechanical fire.

Yes, the bomb exploded two hours later than
the Globe tweeted that it would, but this is still
quite worthy of further investigation and it's still
a fascinating omission from the official narrative
of this terror attack.

With the information that I have at this point
in time, I'd have to agree with their parents:
These boys were framed, regardless of the degree
of their possible (questionable?) involvement.

(interesting that this youtube vid would not embed, though I tried several times)

http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DuaqUJyUBozI

Boston Globe Tweet: 'Bomb Squad Activities' Near
Finish Line Before Explosions

- Alexandra, ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/civil-war/boston-globe-tweet-bomb-squad-activities-near-finish-line-before-explosions.html

[Abhaya]

Interesting video here. Most be nice to be on CIA special welfare (suspects supposedly on regular welfare) if you can afford $900 shoes. You have to have a lot of money to make a whimsical purchase like that. Looks like the patsies are treated well before they get canned. Also this video was apparently only aired once.

YoAyDAwUMZ0

[Slorri]

Another piece of the puzzle falling into place:


[...]

This leaves open the question of were exactly is the bomb blast spot located: is it the dark patch on the pavement in the above picture or is it located closer to the street?

[...]



Blast spot location:


http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=boston%20bombing&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=7V7Q7L2z7EptSM&tbnid=8BjSjZ1EHA-i3M:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csmonitor.com%2FUSA%2FDC-Decoder%2F2013%2F0423%2FWas-Boston-Marathon-bombing-a-US-intelligence-failure&ei=b095UY2vGtHLtAbsgoDIDw&psig=AFQjCNEcWV2kaMYFJq8XPskRrlr5c_-ZEA&ust=1366991034246684http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2013/0423-boston-marathon-bombing-us-intel-failure/15610497-1-eng-US/0423-Boston-Marathon-bombing-US-intel-failure_full_600.jpg

http://www.pakalertpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-bombing-FBI-backlash-risks-turning-US-into-surveillance-state.jpg


This validates Jeff Bauman's assertion that he looked in the eyes of the guy who dropped a bag at his feet... and explains the broken windows on the 1st and 2sd floors above the "Lens Crafters" store.



This is not the place where the first yellow smoke and bang bomb went off. This square is right in between where the victims lay down.


The yellow bomb went off up by the building wall. It might have come from one of those larger manhole covers. Either the one to the left of the broken LensCrafters window, or the one further left, where a man sat on top of it.

21252

21251

We can also see the smoke puffer down by the fence, that blew down the blue plastic. That might have come from the smaller manhole cover down there, just in front of the woman in red, (she is not there now, but she went there and lay down).

[Hervé]

[...]

The yellow bomb went off up by the building wall.

[...]

That's what I thought at first, misled by the dark patch seen with the bomb squad guys pictures. But, then, I couldn't find that same dark patch on any of the pictures posted by hahatango...

So, my suggestion is: have another look and try to find that dark patch on any other pics than the bomb squad one.

In corroboration to that square drawn on the sidewalk pavement being the blast spot is that all the seriously injured individuals and the deceased ones were around that spot.

[turiya]

[...]


... after the detonation of what may in fact have been a smoke bomb or similarly benign explosive.”"
Source (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RTXjAnfq)
[...]

That argument doesn't hold; see post # 582 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665826&viewfull=1#post665826)

There was no argument attempt that was made -- go fish!

turiya :cool:



Who are the "real" other ones (see post # 474 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664863&viewfull=1#post664863))?

Like the "guy # 2"? (see post # 555 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665398&viewfull=1#post665398))... or the dead ones?...


Me think that it's time for some people to quit looking at the pictures of reality they conjured up in their mind and start confronting the actual, factual reality... real bodies got really chopped up in there.



... or supporting it in the name of "just bringing it in for you to judge."


Okay, Amzer Zo, certainly, it appears as there were people injured, maimed, killed at this Boston Marathon bombing event.
And sure, I have made a few posts pertaining to the possibility that actors might have been used. To say the least, I found myself entertained by the possibility.
But I prefer to take a few steps back away from that & posit the larger, wider perspective...

It is easy to get caught up with trying to figure out whether there were people actually injured, maimed, & killed in this event, or were there actors involved?

To me, the more essential question is: WHO are the real terrorists here?

For many, looking at mangled bodies, dismembered limbs, dead human beings, is a very difficult thing to do. The same could be said that many find it quite unpleasant to look at the possibility that the real terrorists that are at play, here, are but our very own government(s) - more specifically pertaining to America - those psychopaths that occupy the offices of FBI, DHS, CIA & all the other alphabet soup agencies. Obviously, the perpetrators of this event were not interested whether individuals were maimed, injured or killed, when it comes to having the end justifying the means. Its what whatever works to achieve the ultimate end game.

Unless this question is looked at more deeply, the people of this nation, the people in this world, will remain subjected to wavering & quivering like leaves that hang from tree branches, for whenever the wind blows & makes its presence known. Wavering & quivering is what leaves do. The branches of the tree move much less. And the trunk of the tree moves very little, and perhaps, not at all. Even when the wind is the leading edge of a fairly large storm front.

And this large storm is not only coming, but is here & beginning to rage big time. Knowing where your roots are, well, this is very important. So, one can plant one's feet on the ground & be like the trunk of a tree when the winds of fear begin to blow intensely.

WHO are the real terrorists?
In a previous post, I pasted an excerpt to an article that I will now post in full... as it has some thoughts worth noting.


http://www.bumpzee.com/users/bz/damienarlabosse-10440-full.jpg
FBI's History of Handing "Terror Suspects" Live Explosives

April 16, 2013 (LD)
In late September 2011, AFP reported that a man was charged with "planning to fly explosive-packed, remote controlled airplanes into the Pentagon and the Capitol in Washington." (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/man-charged-with-pentagon-bomb-plot/story-e6frg6so-1226150993933) In its report, "US man charged with Pentagon bomb plot," AFP stated (emphasis added):

During the alleged plot, undercover FBI agents posed as accomplices who supplied Ferdaus with one remote-controlled plane, C4 explosives, and small arms that he allegedly envisioned using in a simultaneous ground assault in Washington.

However, ''the public was never in danger from the explosive devices, which were controlled by undercover FBI employees,'' the FBI said. Ferdaus was arrested in Framingham, near Boston, immediately after putting the newly delivered weapons into a storage container, the FBI said.

Authorities described Ferdaus as a physics graduate from Northeastern University who followed al-Qaeda and was committed to ''violent jihad'' since early last year.
In November 2010, a similar "plot" was engineered, then "disrupted," also by the FBI - this time in Portland, Oregon. The so-called "Christmas Tree Bomber" attempted to remote detonate a van he believed was filled with explosives, provided by the FBI, before being arrested during a Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Pioneer Courthouse Square. The FBI's official statement regarding the incident revealed that FBI agents had handled, even detonated live explosives with the entrapped suspect at Lincoln County Park in the lead up to the final failed bombing.

The FBI's official statement titled, "Oregon Resident Arrested in Plot to Bomb Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony in Portland," (http://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases/2010/pd112610.htm) released by the U.S. Attorney’s Office on November 26, 2010 stated (emphasis added):

According to the affidavit, on November 4, 2010, Mohamud and the undercover FBI operatives traveled to a remote location in Lincoln County, Ore., where they detonated a bomb concealed in a backpack as a trial run for the upcoming attack. Afterwards, on the drive back to Corvallis, undercover FBI operatives questioned Mohamud as to whether he was capable of looking at the bodies of those who would be killed in the upcoming attack in Portland. According to the affidavit, Mohamud responded, “I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured.”

Upon returning to Corvallis that same day, the affidavit alleges that Mohamud recorded a video of himself with the undercover FBI operatives in which he read a written statement that offered a rationale for his bomb attack. On Nov. 18, 2010, undercover FBI operatives picked up Mohamud to travel to Portland in order to finalize the details of the attack.

Earlier this evening, Mohamud was arrested after he attempted to remotely detonate what he believed to be explosives in a van that was parked near the Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, the affidavit alleges.
Yet another similar operation was carried out by the FBI in February 2012, where yet another otherwise incapable patsy was provided with live explosives in the lead up to what was ultimately a failed suicide bombing at the US Capitol. USA Today reported in their article, "FBI foils alleged suicide bomb attack on U.S. Capitol," (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/nbc-fbi-nabs-suspect-in-alleged-bomb-plot-on-us-capitol/1#.UXmfP4J5FYK) that (emphasis added):

According to a counterterrorism official, El Khalifi "expressed interest in killing at least 30 people and considered targeting a building in Alexandria and a restaurant, synagogue and a place where military personnel gather in Washington before he settled on the Capitol after canvassing that area a couple of times," the Associated Press writes. During the year-long investigation, El Khalifi detonated explosives at a quarry in the capital region with undercover operatives. He is not believed to be affiliated with al-Qaeda, officials said.
The frightening trend of the FBI cultivating otherwise incapable "terror" suspects, providing them with and detonating real explosives, before giving them inert or controlled devices to carry out attacks on public targets where mass casualties are averted only at the last possible moment, sets the stage for at the very least, incredible potential for catastrophic blunders, and at worst, false flag attacks.

Has the FBI ever presided over "sting operations" that were actually carried out? The answer is yes. The FBI in fact was presiding over the terrorists who carried out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The role of the FBI leading up to the deadly attack would most likely have gone unreported had an FBI informant not taped his conversations with FBI agents after growing suspicious during the uncover operation. The New York Times in their article, "Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast," (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html) reported:

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City's tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars.
What takes shape is an FBI at the center of perpetuating America's terror menace, not at the forefront of fighting it. With every attack foiled or carried out involving FBI uncover operatives revealed only after successful "stings" or in the case of the World Trade Center bombings, an inconvenient witness stepping forward and revealing the FBI's role, the first and foremost suspect considered after any bombing on US soil should be the FBI itself.

Recent explosions at the Boston Marathon have left two dead and many more injured. While the public waits to find out who will be blamed, and the role, if any the FBI played in the lead up to the explosions, it would be best to keep in mind the insidious and/or incompetent role the FBI has played during similar events, some of which have occurred recently and in close proximity to the latest explosions.

Already some across the Western media are attempting to draw parallels (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/columnists/tod-robberson/20130415-boston-explosions-choice-of-cities-recalls-911-events-says-tod-robberson.ece) to the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington - despite the fact that the US is now deliberately funding and arming Al Qaeda in Syria (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/03/confirmed-us-shipping-weapons-to-syria.html?utm_source=BP_recent), as well as openly supporting previously listed terrorist organization, Mujahedeen e-Khalq (MEK) (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/09/us-to-delist-arm-american-killing.html), in Iran. Vigilance must be kept against Western governments eager to both exploit and perpetuate terrorism and tragedy as well as manufacture it when necessary.
SOURCE (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/04/fbis-history-of-handing-terror-suspects.html?utm_source=BP_recent)

I know my own efforts are limited, and I know that in trying to convince others of anything is, pretty much - wasted energy - because people are going to think what they want to, regardless...

But on a deeper level - understanding, by looking with one's own eyes, listening with one's own ears, and discerning for oneself - in simply doing this, unbeknownst to others, on a deeper level, it is adding to the present thought process of the human collective that is recorded within the Akashic. It could be said that - It is more intrinsically significant to simply add to the hundredth monkey effect. This is enough to do for some, and/or any of us... it is a non-aggressive, receptive approach... without anybody ever realizing it.

Find out your roots, get your feet planted securely, move away from the periphery, identify and become the Trunk of the Tree - the tree of Freedom, the tree of Liberty.


turiya :cool:

[Slorri]

These are my estimations.

Red: line of sight from camera up towards manhole cover by the wall.
Green: puff down by the fence
Blue: victim area

21253

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Another piece of the puzzle falling into place:


[...]

This leaves open the question of were exactly is the bomb blast spot located: is it the dark patch on the pavement in the above picture or is it located closer to the street?

[...]




Blast spot location:


http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=boston%20bombing&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=7V7Q7L2z7EptSM&tbnid=8BjSjZ1EHA-i3M:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csmonitor.com%2FUSA%2FDC-Decoder%2F2013%2F0423%2FWas-Boston-Marathon-bombing-a-US-intelligence-failure&ei=b095UY2vGtHLtAbsgoDIDw&psig=AFQjCNEcWV2kaMYFJq8XPskRrlr5c_-ZEA&ust=1366991034246684http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2013/0423-boston-marathon-bombing-us-intel-failure/15610497-1-eng-US/0423-Boston-Marathon-bombing-US-intel-failure_full_600.jpg

http://www.pakalertpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-bombing-FBI-backlash-risks-turning-US-into-surveillance-state.jpg


This validates Jeff Bauman's assertion that he looked in the eyes of the guy who dropped a bag at his feet... and explains the broken windows on the 1st and 2sd floors above the "Lens Crafters" store.



Absolutely amazing, not a crack or chip in/off the concrete, centre of blast is just about 30 cm if even that ( you can deduce that for yourself i guess, one thirth of a just about a square meter) this whole situation is the worst pull my finger joke ever, it creates an atmosphere of the feeling that the next person who passes gas will cause an extiction level event. yechh.

[Hervé]

Here is the blast sequence:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pFbkoBeBBzTpnbO5YvZBgNBkIOuira09zBblVLvgqugVTubJavxbGH1ih1HVIAkuA5i_3tmKSXWtZlt0KfvBeCIDVVuiGb4hT/Image-2013-04-22-20h-55mn-31.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pPzSqs2wdQ7WmY8DyoP4GJhjyYW8Jg5ZrN3cMD2j9hodC-CovWNkGxfsBs3eYayyoVFobQHBLkOhGM73uUatGOQxQDXyIPEzL/Image-2013-04-22-20h-56mn-3.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pltbCBl7YdxgZV8DTvQ9GJr7bPSlpudx4Aw9LPyyHr8NkS_CMVPgp69Leyd5CxvOpwfAWspxQv7mR3pbKE8T7IwmNfAWHoru9/Image-2013-04-22-20h-56mn-23.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1py-E_XUiYbpmNCa2qkPZmETYfCOJ4mWbmoqH5RBYuZrX8Uta16AN0yASktnLA2XyTSLeJbh5B0C3e2cyaT2JPR8AUgMPbZza0/Image-2013-04-22-20h-56mn-50.jpg?psid=1



Viewed from a slightly different angle:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pbIIteCIe2Qz4t6McQGl2X844I1lt8F0Bjr8U1m87NsomFgrlJoe7SIf2WtFHl6aDNwzpAKIVb2oE-j3kul39DkGZsumxkjvV/Image-2013-04-22-9h-4mn-59.jpg?psid=1



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p951UGxvYnKztWw2hF3wYQfAXqs16ymvBPe7KVVVICMvQwne9KARAD6AGuMO21I0gmAak-HhCEpeX4KU6dj_FQwHWxiTZv9aA/Image-2013-04-22-9h-5mn-43.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1paWfn4yWVxHY3fvz1EJnN7AFr5QZuczi6_dYszQsUHHdqu2RrKaWFrEehqlljMc-GuGabd2A2JMiasaPsCGXa5MNIWQ-_pcG7/Image-2013-04-22-9h-6mn-10.jpg?psid=1




https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1ps9YvGqxx-XZehBUFKSv4ierzW5AuFpKHWwn7h7XKOVPSGVFSu94oNozbg7xOx16wWnF9DvlMCPfbskNK-pAgbGi5pFfQm2y-/Image-2013-04-22-9h-9mn-47.jpg?psid=1



Look where the initial flash originates and where the column of smoke originates... one could almost triangulate the exact position on the pavement:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pS75BrDfbSrsJeKygRWBmm7eHyqQgJpaJnrFRs6wmri59m8JqrQ_bCW-XZiEhvuN1IKjLt6vExY-Ja43EIl2RyzHC7MBzG5eg/Blast%20spot-01.jpg?psid=1

[Hervé]

[...]

Absolutely amazing, not a crack or chip in/off the concrete, centre of blast is just about 30 cm if even that ( you can deduce that for yourself i guess, one thirth of a just about a square meter) this whole situation is the worst pull my finger joke ever, it creates an atmosphere of the feeling that the next person who passes gas will cause an extiction level event. yechh.

I guess it's time for you to harness yourself with some thinking gear:

The bomb was made with a pressure cooker... guess where the blast will be directed if sitting flat on the ground?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

[...]

Absolutely amazing, not a crack or chip in/off the concrete, centre of blast is just about 30 cm if even that ( you can deduce that for yourself i guess, one thirth of a just about a square meter) this whole situation is the worst pull my finger joke ever, it creates an atmosphere of the feeling that the next person who passes gas will cause an extiction level event. yechh.

I guess it's time for you to harness yourself with some thinking gear:

The bomb was made with a pressure cooker... guess where the blast will be directed if sitting flat on the ground?

totaly understand what you are saying, i however still think that blast is a bit of a "ödd"one, i have seen some, dont really apriciate the thinking gear remark though, i am not here to win or participate in a quasi intellectual ego driven pissing contest driven by extremely loudmouth dubious alternative news sources who have a ( to me)unclear stake in the outcome they obviously steer towards to ( i have my views and opinions and we most certainly do not have to agree), this whole thread, and many others on many other fori, are jampacked with speculation spiked with some perhaps posssible "correct conclusions" and i dare to state with some confidence that, if we are not in the know we are all just guessing our respective asses off, i am not here for thank you's or popular views, and we all know what opinions are like, right? Your opinion and mine are just two of them, and again, if you are not the one who planted the cooker or actually knows why because you were involved in the planning, you are just like me, and everyone else, guessing and speculating and seriously hoping we will see the end of this sort of sh!t rather sooner then later.

hugs and a friendly complety harmless platonic manslap on your ass, lets have a stale beer and count liver stones together and fantasize how we can pave a tenniscourt with them, much healthier and way more fun.

luv to the world.

Make tea, not bombs

[jackovesk]

http://i4.ytimg.com/i/7TvL4GlQyMBLlUsTrN_C4Q/1.jpg?v=d13bf2 Published on Apr 23, 2013


FBI whistleblower and BoilingFrogsPost.com editor Sibel Edmonds joins us to discuss the recent Boston bombing hysteria and the potential geopolitical implications of the American public's "discovery" of Chechen terror. We discuss Sibel's work exposing the US/NATO roots of so-called Chechen terrorism, and what the FSB's involvement in this twisted tale might mean in terms of future Russian-US relations.



Sibel Edmonds on the Boston Bombing: The US roots of "Chechen" terrorism


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RCN1w5J80E
SHOW NOTES AND MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7316

[onawah]

I just got the following in an email from forbiddenknowledetv.com, in regard to the message from them that I posted earlier:


I'm writing you now to retract and correct
statements made in the newsletter I sent
this morning because I am angry that I got
hoaxed and that's the last thing that I want
to do to you!

The video which was broadcast by FKTV
earlier today is an example of the confusion
which arises when a local time stamp is on
a Twitter-feed is confused with the timezone
of a different area - resulting in inadvertent
hoaxes such as this.

On April 15, at 3:53PM Eastern, the Boston
Globe tweeted that in "one minute," there
would be a controlled explosion across the
street from the library on Boylston St. in Boston,
as part of "bomb squad activities".

This was one hour *after* the Marathon bombs
were reported to have detonated. This is the
timeline of the Globe's Twitter feed:

Boston Globe Twitter Timeline, April 15, 2013

So, the timeline of the video distributed earlier
is incorrect, for the argument made because the
time stamp was not that of Eastern Standard Time.

The phenomenon of these Do-it-Yourself news
pieces that are being produced by an exasperated
public is worthy of an investigation, in itself:

This video is a product of a *growing sector
of the public, which does not believe anything
the Mainstream Media tells them - or any of the
words from any mouthpiece of officialdom, in
general.* - But they'll believe their Twitter feed,
while not taking into account the time difference
between their location and that of another
account's posts!

-- So, why don't people believe their leadership
anymore - and then create fraudulent videos like
this (more than likely, unwittingly) - and then
have suckers, like me, fall for them?

To be as brief as possible, I think this is why:

1) Because the 9/11 story does add up and
Americans are just about the last people on the
planet who are finally waking up to this.

2) The excuse used for the US going to war with
Iraq was a lie, making every American death in
that decade-long conflagration worthy of a US
Criminal Prosecution, as outlined by the famous
LA County Prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi in his book,
The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, in
his attempts to get justice for those who died in
the Iraq war on a lie.

Bugliosi, who lost only one out of over 100 cases
during his 30+ year career and had over 10 NY
Times' Bestselling books to his credit was
completely stonewalled by the mainstream media
in his promotion of that book, and his efforts were
successfully quashed.

3) The numerous well-documented cases of the
FBI recruiting would-be terrorists, training them
and then stopping these staged terrorist acts
from occurring - or, as in the case of the 1993
WTC bombings - NOT stopping them, but instead
ALLOWING them to occur, as detailed impeccably
along with many other cases in the book, The
Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War
on Terrorism, by Trevor Aronson, available here.

Boston authorities continue to ignore or refuse
to answer any questions about the alleged "bomb
squad drill" - so we will not know for sure if these
"controlled explosions" at 3:54Pm Eastern were
ONLY of suspicious packages found AFTER the the
Marathon attacks or if drills had been underway
prior and during the Marathon.

One thing we do know now, after the Boston
Bombings and after viewing the chilling scenes of a
Gestapo-like, 'Military Gone Wild' in Watertown, MA:
This is what the National Defense Authorization
Act (NDAA) looks like.


Alexandra Bruce
Publisher, ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com

Boston Globe Tweet: 'Bomb Squad Activities' Near Finish Line Before Explosions


On April 15, at 12:53PM the Boston Globe
tweeted that in "one minute," there would
be a controlled explosion across the street
from the library on Boylston St. in Boston,
as part of "bomb squad activities".

At 2:49PM one bomb DID go off at the
address indicated by the Globe - which
was *exactly* where the controversial
"pressure cooker" bomb allegedly went off,
as this video so aptly demonstrates.

The Boston Public Library is EXACTLY across
the street from where one of the explosions
went off, in front of the Finish Line. Have you
heard this in any of the countless TV and
newspaper reports on this huge story in the
news, this week? I hadn't!

I DID hear about a potential 3rd bomb at the
JFK Library. That facility is 3.5 miles away
from the other 2 explosions and that event
turned out to be an unrelated mechanical fire.

Yes, the bomb exploded two hours later than
the Globe tweeted that it would, but this is still
quite worthy of further investigation and it's still
a fascinating omission from the official narrative
of this terror attack.

With the information that I have at this point
in time, I'd have to agree with their parents:
These boys were framed, regardless of the degree
of their possible (questionable?) involvement.

(interesting that this youtube vid would not embed, though I tried several times)

http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DuaqUJyUBozI

Boston Globe Tweet: 'Bomb Squad Activities' Near
Finish Line Before Explosions

- Alexandra, ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/civil-war/boston-globe-tweet-bomb-squad-activities-near-finish-line-before-explosions.html

[jackovesk]

CNN (Caught Red Handed) Interviewing Crisis Actor : Boston False Flag

Apr 22, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbqVqI1cWXc
Another Crisis Actress

Apr 25, 2013

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/images121-600x600.jpg

[onawah]

CISPA was defeated
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/25/aclu-cispa-is-dead-for-now


ACLU: CISPA Is Dead (For Now)
The Senate will not take up the controversial cybersecurity bill, is drafting separate legislation

By Jason Koebler
April 25, 2013 RSS Feed Print

Sen. Jay Rockefeller says CISPA's passage was "important," but its "privacy protections are insufficient."


CISPA is all but dead, again.

The controversial cybersecurity bill known as the Cyber Information Sharing and Protection Act, which passed the House of Representatives last week, will almost certainly be shelved by the Senate, according to a representative of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation.

The bill would have allowed the federal government to share classified "cyber threat" information with companies, but it also provided provisions that would have allowed companies to share information about specific users with the government. Privacy advocates also worried that the National Security Administration would have gotten involved.

[READ: U.S. Military Writes Rules on Cybersecurity While Chinese Hacks Skyrocket]

"We're not taking [CISPA] up," the committee representative says. "Staff and senators are divvying up the issues and the key provisions everyone agrees would need to be handled if we're going to strengthen cybersecurity. They'll be drafting separate bills."

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., chairman of the committee, said the passage of CISPA was "important," but said the bill's "privacy protections are insufficient."

That, coupled with the fact that President Barack Obama has threatened to veto the bill, has even CISPA's staunchest opponents, such as the American Civil Liberties Union, ready to bury CISPA and focus on future legislation.

"I think it's dead for now," says Michelle Richardson, legislative council with the ACLU. "CISPA is too controversial, it's too expansive, it's just not the same sort of program contemplated by the Senate last year. We're pleased to hear the Senate will probably pick up where it left off last year."

That's not to say Congress won't pass any cybersecurity legislation this year. Both Rockefeller and President Obama want to give American companies additional tools to fight back against cyberattacks from domestic and foreign hackers.

[READ: Lawmakers Who Pushed CISPA Were 'Doxed']

But cybersecurity legislation in the Senate, such as the Cybersecurity and American Cyber Competitiveness Act of 2013, has greater privacy protections than CISPA does. Richardson says that bill makes it clear that companies would have to "pull out sensitive data [about citizens]" before companies send it to the government and also puts the program under "unequivocal civilian control," something CISPA author Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., was unwilling to do.

Even if the Senate gets something done, Rogers and other CISPA supporters will likely have to compromise more than they've been willing to over the past year as Obama has made it clear he will veto legislation that doesn't have more privacy protections.

"The way [Rogers] talks, [the House] has gone as far as they possibly can on privacy," Richardson says. "I don't know if that's true and I'm not sure how they'll respond when the Senate puts something back to them. But if they don't figure out a compromise, they might not get any legislation at all."

The commerce representative says that the Senate committee is "working toward separate bills" to improve cybersecurity, which are currently being drafted. But don't expect these bills soon, as the Senate considers immigration, an Internet sales tax, the aftermath of the Boston bombing and the Federal Aviation Administration's air traffic control crisis in the wake of sequestration.

Richardson says she thinks it'll be at least three months before the Senate takes a vote on any cybersecurity legislation.

"We need to be vigilant as the year moves on to make sure that whatever the next product is, it's not CISPA-lite," she says. "I think this is probably going to take the rest of the year."

[onawah]

Can you give the source for that so we can share it elsewhere, please? Thanks.




Apr 25, 2013

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/images121-600x600.jpg

[jackovesk]

Can you give the source for that so we can share it elsewhere, please? Thanks.




Apr 25, 2013

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/images121-600x600.jpg

Here ya go Onawah, along with some other (GRAPHIC Images) that I haven't seen before...

Scroll - 1/2 way down the page...

http://www.cyberwarzone.com/why-was-supposedly-dead-sandy-hook-principal-boston-bombing-event-0

[ThePythonicCow]

Another Crisis Actress

Apr 25, 2013

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/images121-600x600.jpg
I believe that the previous posts have explained this one:

Died twice eh?? Sandy hook and Bombing (Post #80 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58253-Died-twice-eh-Sandy-hook-and-Bombing&p=662801&viewfull=1#post662801)
Explosions at Boston marathon (Post #190) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=662805&viewfull=1#post662805)
Interesting FB post re Boston.sandy hook actors (Post #57) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58201-Boston-Marathon-Bombings-Other-comments-views-...-merged-thread.&p=662894&viewfull=1#post662894)

This was not a paid actress showing up at two false flag events. It was just some confused reporting of rather ordinary details.

[turiya]

A couple more things for consideration:

Here's the Joel Skousen Rense interview from 24-April 2013. Joel discusses several issues regarding the Boston Marathon bombing event, including the MA National Guard CST security team, the Chechen suspects, the possible execution that was done to the older brother, and more...

Joel Skousen MP3 Audio Interview w/ Rense (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/a860e82h98/rense.20130424.3of3.mp3)

Secondly, (sorry, this may be getting close to "beating a dead horse", but...) there is, yet, another video released yesterday 24-April 2013 regarding the man (amputee actor?) in the wheelchair that questions whether he actually had his leg blown off, or not. Anyways, since it appears that nobody else has posted this as of yet, I will do the dirty deed...

Boston Marathon Bombing Drill Conspiracy Cowboy Hat Guy Legs Blown off "Must Watch" (http://youtu.be/-7l73BxWr0Q)

On second thought - instead of embedding it here, just click on the above title and it should come up.

Best regards
turiya :cool:

[xxxcjbcxxx]

Hello everyone, I found another video with some links which contains information explaining how FEMA goes about conducting their drills with crisis actors.

I do not consider it a "smoking gun" as the title suggests, however the information is still interesting, and the commentators perspective on the matter is equally entertaining.

zHym0NyR05s

Here provided is a link that serves as an adjunct for the video:

https://hseep.dhs.gov/hseep_Vols/default1.aspx?url=rightTreeDisplay.aspx?

If you look to the left of the page you will find a host of text, audio, video, and imagery about how FEMA conducts their drills.

[Hervé]

My turn to speculate...

Look at the blast spot and look for something? Someone? Jeff? being blown up in the air:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pr8W4yrdIjTbc95MWf4csaXa7n9QIVrFztD5bdcHNJQnZWVFEuxafjFKImvwEMmO3FFudsvw8WhEQDp3nxAC-abzjmbITIR0p/Blown%20up-01.gif?psid=1


The blast didn't crack the side walk pavement but it sure was strong enough to blow something/someone up in the air...

[InCiDeR]

CNN (Caught Red Handed) Interviewing Crisis Actor : Boston False Flag

Apr 22, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbqVqI1cWXc
Another Crisis Actress


Seriously!? I know they are not as smart as they believe they are, but seriously... are they really this dumb? Using same actress in two totally different scenarios? If that really is the case, there must be another group that active works for this staged event to fail, otherwise it is not the same person in the two interviews! I can not simply believe they are so dumb.

---

This has probably been posted elsewhere, but worth to repost in my opinion (great forteller skills):

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1425/foretelling.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/foretelling.jpg/)

I found it in the link that jackovesk provided earlier:
http://www.cyberwarzone.com/why-was-supposedly-dead-sandy-hook-principal-boston-bombing-event-0


To recap here are the predictions in the post which came true.

• Culprits identified as male in late teens to early 20s.
• Feds found firearms, presence of NRA manual still unconfirmed.
• Reloading powder / gun powder named as the payload used to make the explosives.
• Legislation since introduced to tax and restrict gunpowder sales under the justification it was used to make the bombs.
• Identification, raids, and arrests occurred starting Friday night.

EDIT: It would in fact be very interesting if infowars could find this anonymous employee of security commission and do an interview!!!

[Slorri]

My turn to speculate...

Look at the blast spot and look for something? Someone? Jeff? being blown up in the air:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pr8W4yrdIjTbc95MWf4csaXa7n9QIVrFztD5bdcHNJQnZWVFEuxafjFKImvwEMmO3FFudsvw8WhEQDp3nxAC-abzjmbITIR0p/Blown%20up-01.gif?psid=1


The blast didn't crack the side walk pavement but it sure was strong enough to blow something/someone up in the air...

Can you point to what you are seeing?
I see some yellow balloons move about and one piece of paper being blown up.

[Hervé]

My turn to speculate...

Look at the blast spot and look for something? Someone? Jeff? being blown up in the air:

The blast didn't crack the side walk pavement but it sure was strong enough to blow something/someone up in the air...

Can you point to what you are seeing?
I see some yellow balloons move about and one piece of paper being blown up.

That's the "big" piece of "paper" as you see it... that's the "X" that marks the spot.

If the existence of yellow balloons can be inferred from other pictures, the actual color cannot be detected on the sequence I posted; however, I have yet to find a picture showing a piece of paper that big in the area.

From the other angle (a single yellow balloon can be seen in one frame but the "something" blown up in the air is not as obvious as it is in the first .gif file I posted):

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pHFe-oXHwKul5km_SRbwvIcQbQjCNHOzEKE0jksQXYeTDLzNekQoKSnQqIIgzKiELygItQh10HM_19rJRGnzNoVFv8S7YJVL-/Blown%20up-03.gif?psid=1

[Kimberley]

Finally..the stories of the owner/hostage of the black Mercedes SUV are coming out...

Carjack victim recounts his harrowing night
E-mail | Print | Comments () 04/25/2013 9:36 PM

Full article here:

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/25/carjack-victim-recounts-his-harrowing-night/BhQWGzarWee8MZ6KtMHJNN/story.html



The 26-year-old Chinese entrepreneur had just pulled his new Mercedes to the curb on Brighton Avenue to answer a text when an old sedan swerved behind him, slamming on the brakes. A man in dark clothes got out and approached the passenger window. It was nearly 11 p.m. last Thursday.

The man rapped on the glass, speaking quickly. Danny, unable to hear him, lowered the window -- and the man reached an arm through, unlocked the door, and climbed in, brandishing a silver handgun.

“Don’t be stupid,” he told Danny. He asked if he had followed the news about Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings. Danny had, down to the release of the grainy suspect photos less than six hours earlier.


Danny asked that he be identified only by his American nickname.

[Hervé]

What do you know...

From http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/authorities-clarify-key-details-in-chaotic-shootout-and-capture-of-boston-bombing-suspect/#:

No Gun in the Boat? Key Details Change in Chaotic Shootout and Subsequent Capture of Boston Bombing Suspect
Apr. 25, 2013 7:47am Billy Hallowell (http://www.theblaze.com/author/billyhallowell/)

As officials release more information about the Boston bombings — and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s capture, in particular – key details previously advanced by authorities are changing. Among them, some police sources are now claiming that the 19-year-old suspect was not armed while hiding in a boat last Friday. But that’s only a sliver of the new information that seems to contradict previous reports about the chaotic manhunt.

The New York Times published an article (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/officers-killing-spurred-pursuit-in-boston-attack.html?smid=tw-share&pagewanted=all&_r=0) on Thursday morning, highlighting some of these issues and corrections. To begin, not only did Dzhokar reportedly not have a gun in the boat, but it appears that police may have only found one other weapon that is traceable back to his brother, Tamerlan. This means that the brothers didn’t necessarily have an arsenal, as was previously assumed.


Plus, there’s the issue of how the brothers first came to the attention of officers — one that also deserves a second look. It was the murder of Officer Sean A. Collier that apparently set the chaotic evening’s event’s in motion last Thursday.

According to authorities, the Tsarnaev brothers were purportedly trying to get Collier’s gun when they allegedly killed him. Evidence at the scene apparently corroborates this theory, as the two were, according to sources, unable to get the weapon out of its holster.

The Times continues (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/officers-killing-spurred-pursuit-in-boston-attack.html?smid=tw-share&pagewanted=all&_r=0):
Police officials initially announced that officers had “exchanged gunfire” Friday evening with the surviving suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, as he hid in a boat in the backyard of a house in Watertown, Mass. Now several law enforcement officials say no gun was found in the boat, and officials say they are exploring what prompted officers to fire at Mr. Tsarnaev, who some feared was armed with explosives.

Law enforcement officials now say they have recovered only one gun elsewhere, which they believe was used by Mr. Tsarnaev’s older brother, Tamerlan — not the three previously reported. And initial reports that the brothers first came to the attention of the police after robbing a 7-Eleven were wrong. The police were called to a gas station convenience store early Friday after a man who said he had been carjacked by the marathon bombers escaped and sought help.
The gun issue is particularly intriguing, as the Daily Mail notes (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314448/Now-officials-claim-Boston-bombing-suspect-NOT-armed-boat-showdown--despite-police-account-firefight-shooting-himself.html#ixzz2RSEWWNcY), because media coverage to date has essentially advanced the notion that Dzhokhar was engaged in a firefight with police from inside of the boat before he was apprehended. Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis had also apparently said that a firefight unfolded — and a previous Times piece noted that an M4 rifle was found on the board, Daily Mail reports (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314448/Now-officials-claim-Boston-bombing-suspect-NOT-armed-boat-showdown--despite-police-account-firefight-shooting-himself.html#ixzz2RSEWWNcY).

Most notably, if no gun was on the boat, then it’s impossible for Dzhokhar to have shot himself; his injuries, in this case, were potentially sustained before he went into hiding (possibly during the gunfight that killed his brother).


If the latest information from authorities is true, the previous gun claims have now been debunked. Again, this paints a very different picture from accounts that previously circulated. Take, for instance, NBC News’ coverage (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17823265-we-got-him-boston-bombing-suspect-captured-alive?lite) from a few days ago about the purportedly showdown that unfolded between Dzhokar and authorities:
Over the course of two hours, several bursts of gunfire could be heard. The police exchanged fire with Tsarnaev, threw flash-bang grenades designed to disorient him and brought a negotiator to the scene as night fell, officials said.

Just before 9 p.m., the wounded Tsarnaev was taken into custody. “He sustained significant blood loss,” a law enforcement official at the scene said.
And, as the AP and TheBlaze previously reported, U.S. officials also said Wednesday that physical evidence, including a 9 mm handgun and pieces of a remote-control device commonly used in toys, was recovered from the bombing scene. This showcases that the bombs were potentially controlled by the two suspects from a reasonable distance. The Atlantic adds more details (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/finally-clearer-picture-chaotic-shootout-watertown-emerges/64564/):
Aside from the new details about the shootout, it was also revealed on Wednesday night that the Tsarnaev brothers used a remote control to detonate the bombs on Marathon Monday. According to Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, a Maryland Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, it was the same kind of remote control used for remote control cars. And according to CBS News, it was bought with drug money. We already knew that Dzhokhar was a pothead and potential dealer, but the latest reports suggest that Tamerlan got in on the action, too. This leads to the natural conclusion that the bombing, somehow, was funded by their drug money. But honestly, it’s very tough to tell how they got the money they spent on the bombs.
The Times went to great lengths (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/officers-killing-spurred-pursuit-in-boston-attack.html?smid=tw-share&pagewanted=all&_r=0) to document some of the finer details of the events that unfolded on Thursday and Friday. Read the entire post, which extensively highlights the most important moments, here (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/officers-killing-spurred-pursuit-in-boston-attack.html?smid=tw-share&pagewanted=all&_r=0).

[Hervé]

More of the circus which lends credence to Lt. Col. Potter's view of different factions fighting each others, from http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/megyn-kelly-surprise-revelation-fbi-was-shocked-to-see-judge-waltz-in-and-give-suspect-miranda-rights/#ooid=dzOXE2YjqIZKnOK8GYIehqrLE-BSLJTL:


Megyn Kelly’s Surprise Revelation: FBI Was ‘Shocked’ to See Judge ‘Waltz’ in and Give Suspect Miranda Rights
Apr. 25, 2013 10:04am Jonathon M. Seidl (http://www.theblaze.com/author/jseidl/)

Regular viewers of Fox News are used to seeing popular host Megyn Kelly on their televisions every afternoon, but on Thursday morning Kelly made a special appearance during the morning to break some surprising information: according to her sources, the FBI was “shocked” to see a magistrate “waltz into” the hospital room of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and read him his Miranda rights.

So why were they shocked? According to Kelly, the FBI was under the understanding that they would get much more time with Tsarnaev under the “public safety exemption” before he was read his rights. Adding to the shock: the sources told Kelly agents were getting crucial information after only 16 hours of questioning and were making valuable progress.

No matter.

“It’s really unbelievable,” Kelly said.

“The FBI had no idea they were sending over the judge, the prosecutor, the federal public defender; and the FBI said they were only 16 hours into what they understood would be a 48 hour period of questioning … . They said they were in the process of getting valuable information … and as soon as that magistrate judge went in there and gave him his rights with his lawyer present, he stopped talking. They said they would never have stopped interrogating him prior to the 48 hours unless they were forced to.”

“These officials with knowledge of the proceedings say they believe our national security may have been compromised by the decision to send that judge in there so soon after the filing of the criminal complaint.”

Watch her reveal the information below starting at about 2:30 :

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/megyn-kelly-surprise-revelation-fbi-was-shocked-to-see-judge-waltz-in-and-give-suspect-miranda-rights/#ooid=dzOXE2YjqIZKnOK8GYIehqrLE-BSLJTL


A Foxnews.com story alludes to information (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/tamerlan-tsarnaev-vowed-to-die-for-islam-judge-prematurely-stopped-brother/#ixzz2RTzyp7Bm) Kelly clearly laid out:
Two officials with knowledge of the FBI briefing on Capitol Hill said the FBI was against stopping the investigators’ questioning and was stunned that the judge, Justice Department prosecutors and public defenders showed up, feeling valuable intelligence may have been sacrificed as a result.

The FBI had been questioning Tsarnaev for 16 hours before the judge called a start to the court proceeding, officials familiar with the Capitol Hill briefing told Fox News.

The exact timeline is unclear. A transcript of the court proceeding shows Bowler asking a doctor if Tsarnaev was “alert.”

“You can rouse him,” she says in the transcript.

“How are you feeling? Are you able to answer some questions?” the doctor asks Tsarnaev, who nods.

Although Bowler advised Tsarnaev, an ethnic Chechen and U.S. citizen, of his Miranda rights, it remains to be seen whether anything he told investigators before Bowler arrived can be admitted as evidence against him — or whether such interrogations would even be needed to convict him, given the amount of other evidence referenced in the criminal complaint signed by FBI Special Agent Daniel Genck.
If true, the information could have resounding implications.

[jackovesk]

Like some here at Avalon, I must say I had an eery feeling in the 1st part of this year leading up to this event...

& what's even worse...

I've still got it...:faint:

[jackovesk]

CARJACK VICTIM RECOUNTS HIS HARROWING NIGHT

By Eric Moskowitz, Globe Staff

04/25/2013 9:36 PM

http://c.o0bc.com/rf/image_609w/Boston/2011-2020/2013/04/26/Boston.com/Metro/Images/shell1.jpg
A Shell gas station located at River Street and Memorial Drive in Cambriged was roped off at 12:45 a.m. on April 19


The 26-year-old Chinese entrepreneur had just pulled his new Mercedes to the curb on Brighton Avenue to answer a text when an old sedan swerved behind him, slamming on the brakes. A man in dark clothes got out and approached the passenger window. It was nearly 11 p.m. last Thursday.

The man rapped on the glass, speaking quickly. Danny, unable to hear him, lowered the window -- and the man reached an arm through, unlocked the door, and climbed in, brandishing a silver handgun.

“Don’t be stupid,” he told Danny. He asked if he had followed the news about Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings. Danny had, down to the release of the grainy suspect photos less than six hours earlier.

“I did that,” said the man, who would later be identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev. “And I just killed a policeman in Cambridge.”

He ordered Danny to drive -- right on Fordham Road, right again on Commonwealth Avenue -- the beginning of an achingly slow odyssey last Thursday night and Friday morning in which Danny felt the possibility of death pressing on him like a vise.

In an exclusive interview with the Globe on Thursday, Danny -- the victim of the Tsarnaev brothers’ much-discussed but previously little-understood carjacking -- filled in some of the last missing pieces in the timeline between the murder of MIT police officer Sean Collier, just before 10:30 p.m. on April 18, and the Watertown shootout that ended just before 1 a.m. Danny asked that he be identified only by his American nickname.

The story of that night unfolds like a Tarantino movie, bursts of harrowing action laced with dark humor and dialogue absurd for its ordinariness, reminders of just how young the men in the car were. Girls, credit limits for students, the marvels of the Mercedes ML 350 and the iPhone 5, whether anyone still listens to CDs -- all were discussed by the two 26-year-olds and the 19-year-old driving around on a Thursday night.

Danny described 90 harrowing minutes, first with the younger brother following in a second car, then with both brothers in the Mercedes, where they openly discussed driving to New York, though Danny could not make out if they were planning another attack. Throughout the ordeal, he did as they asked while silently analyzing every threatened command, every overheard snatch of dialogue for clues about where and when they might kill him.

“Death is so close to me,” Danny recalled thinking. His life had until that moment seemed ascendant, from a province in central China to graduate school at Northeastern University to a Kendall Square start-up.

“I don’t want to die,” he thought. “I have a lot of dreams that haven’t come true yet.”

After a zigzagging trek through Brighton, Watertown, and back to Cambridge, Danny would seize his chance for escape at the Shell Station on Memorial Drive, his break turning on two words -- “cash only” -- that had rarely seemed so welcome.

When the younger brother, Dzhokhar, was forced to go inside the Shell Food Mart to pay, older brother Tamerlan put his gun in the door pocket to fiddle with a navigation device -- letting his guard down briefly after a night on the run. Danny then did what he had been rehearsing in his head. In a flash, he unbuckled his seat belt, opened the door, stepped through, slammed it behind, and sprinted off at an angle that would be a hard shot for any marksman.

“F---!” he heard Tamerlan say, feeling the rush of a near-miss grab at his back, but the man did not follow. Danny reached the haven of a Mobil station across the street, seeking cover in the supply room, shouting for the clerk to call 911.

His quick-thinking escape, authorities say, allowed police to swiftly track down the Mercedes, abating a possible attack by the brothers on New York City and precipitating a wild shootout in Watertown that would seriously wound one officer, kill Tamerlan, and leave a severely injured Dzhokhar hiding in the neighborhood. He was caught the following night, ending a harrowing week across Greater Boston.

Danny spoke softly but steadily in a 2 1/2 hour interview at his Cambridge apartment with a Globe reporter and a Northeastern criminology professor, James Alan Fox , who had counseled Danny after the former graduate student approached his engineering adviser at Northeastern.

Danny, who offered his account only on the condition that the Globe not reveal his Chinese name, said he does not want attention. But he suspects his full name may come out if and when he testifies against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

“I don’t want to be a famous person talking on the TV,” Danny said, kneading his hands, uncomfortable with the praise he has received from the few friends he has shared the story with, some of whom encouraged him to go public. “I don’t feel like a hero. ... I was trying to save myself.”

Danny, trained as an engineer, made scrupulous mental notes of street signs and passing details, even as he abided the older Tsarnaev’s command not to study his face.

“Don’t look at me!” Tamerlan shouted at one point. “Do you remember my face?”

“No, no, I don’t remember anything,” he said.

Tamerlan laughed. “It’s like white guys, they look at black guys and think all black guys look the same,” he said. “And maybe you think all white guys look the same.”

“Exactly,” Danny said, though he thought nothing of the sort. It was one of many moments in their mental chess match, Danny playing up his outsider status in America and playing down his wealth -- he claimed the car was older than it was, and he understated his lease payments -- in a desperate hope of extending his life.

Danny had come to the US in 2009 for a master’s degree, graduated in January 2012, and returned to China to await a work visa. He came back two months ago, leasing a Mercedes and moving into a high-rise with two Chinese friends while diving into a startup. But he told Tamerlan he was still a student, and that he had been here barely a year. It seemed to help that Tamerlan had trouble understanding even Danny’s pronunciation of the word “China.”

“Oh, that’s why your English is not very good,” the brother replied, finally figuring it out. “OK, you’re Chinese ... I’m a Muslim.”

“Chinese are very friendly to Muslims!” Danny said. “We are so friendly to Muslims.”

When the ordeal had started, Danny prayed it would be a quick robbery. Tamerlan demanded money, but Danny had just $45 in cash -- kept in the armrest -- and a wallet full of plastic. Evidently disappointed to get so little out of holding up a $50,000 car, he told Danny to drive. The old sedan followed.

“Relax,” Tamerlan said, when Danny’s nerves made it hard for him to stay in the lane. Danny, recalling the moment, said “my heart is pounding so fast.”

They lapped Brighton and crossed the Charles River into Watertown, following Arsenal Street. Looking through Danny’s wallet, Tamerlan asked for his ATM code -- a friend’s birthdate.

Directed to a quiet neighborhood in East Watertown, Danny pulled up as told on an unfamiliar side street. The sedan stopped behind him. A man approached -- the skinnier, floppy-haired “Suspect No. 2” in the photos and videos released by investigators earlier that evening -- and Tamerlan got out, ordering Danny into the passenger seat, making it clear if he tried anything he would shoot him. For several minutes, the brothers transferred heavy objects from the smaller car into Danny’s SUV. “Luggage,” Danny thought.

With Tamerlan driving now, Danny in the passenger seat, and Dzhokhar behind Danny, they stopped in Watertown Center so Dzhokhar could withdraw money from the Bank of America ATM using Danny’s card. Danny, shivering from fear but claiming to be cold, asked for his jacket. Guarded by just one brother, Danny wondered if this was his chance, but he saw around him only locked storefronts. A police car drove by, lights off.

Tamerlan agreed to retrieve Danny’s jacket from the back seat. Danny unbuckled, put on the jacket, then tried to buckle the seatbelt behind him to make an escape easier.

“Don’t do that,” Tamerlan said, studying him. “Don’t be stupid.”

Danny thought about his burgeoning startup and about a girl he secretly liked in New York. “I think, ‘Oh my god, I have no chance to meet you again,’ ” he recalled.

Dzhokhar was back now. “We both have guns,” Tamerlan said, though Danny had not seen a second weapon.

He overheard them speak in a foreign language -- “Manhattan” the only intelligible word to him -- and then ask in English if Danny’s car could be driven out of state. “What do you mean?” Danny said, confused. “Like New York,” one of the brothers said.

They continued west on Route 20, in the direction of Waltham and Interstate 95, passing a police station. Danny tried to send telepathic messages to the officers inside, imagined dropping and rolling from the moving car.

Tamerlan asked him to turn on and demonstrate the radio. The older brother then quickly flipped through stations, seemingly avoiding the news. He asked if Danny had any CDs. No, he replied, he listens to music on his phone. The tank nearly empty, they stopped at a gas station, but the pumps were closed.

Doubling back, they returned to the Watertown neighborhood -- “Fairfield Street,” Danny saw on the sign this time -- and grabbed a few more things from the parked car, but nothing from the trunk. They put on an instrumental CD that sounded to Danny like a call to prayer.

Suddenly, Danny’s iPhone buzzed. A text from his roommate, wondering in Chinese where he was. Barking at Danny for instructions, Tamerlan used an English-to-Chinese app to text a clunky reply. “I am sick. I am sleeping in a friend’s place tonight.” In a moment, another text, then a call. No one answered. Seconds later, the phone rang again.

“If you say a single word in Chinese, I will kill you right now,” Tamerlan said. Danny understood. His roommate’s boyfriend was on the other end, speaking Mandarin. “I’m sleeping in my friend’s home tonight,” Danny replied in English. “I have to go.”

“Good boy,” Tamerlan said. “Good job.”

The SUV headed for the lights of Soldiers Field Road, banking across River Street to the two open gas stations. Dzhokhar went to fill up using Danny’s credit card, but quickly knocked on the window. “Cash only,” he said, at least at that hour. Tamerlan peeled off $50.

Danny watched Dzhokhar head to the store, struggling to decide if this was his moment -- until he stopped thinking about it, and let reflexes kick in.

“I was thinking I must do two things: unfasten my seatbelt and open the door and jump out as quick as I can. If I didn’t make it, he would kill me right out, he would kill me right away,” Danny said. “I just did it. I did it very fast, using my left hand and right hand simultaneously to open the door, unfasten my seatbelt, jump out...and go.”

The car faced west, upriver. Danny sprinted between the passenger side of the Mercedes and the pumps and darted into the street, not looking back, drawn to the lights of the Mobil.

“I didn’t know if it was open or not,” he said. “In that moment, I prayed.”

The brothers took off. The clerk, after brief confusion, dialed 911 on a portable phone, bringing it to Danny in the storeroom. The dispatcher told him to take a deep breath. The officers, arriving in minutes, took his story -- with Danny noting that the car could be tracked by his iPhone and by a two-way Mercedes satellite system known as mbrace. The clerk gave him a bottled water.

After an hour or more talking to authorities -- as the shootout and manhunt erupted in Watertown -- police brought Danny out to East Watertown for a “drive-by lineup,” studying faces of detained suspects in the street from the safety of a cruiser. He recognized none of them. He spent the night talking to local and state police and the FBI, appreciating the kindness of a state trooper who gave him a bagel and coffee. At 3 the next afternoon, they dropped Danny back in Cambridge.

“I think, Tamerlan is dead, I feel good, obviously safer. But the younger brother -- I don’t know,” Danny recalled thinking, wondering if Dzhokhar had discovered his address and would come looking for him. But the police knew the wallet and registration were still in the bullet-riddled Mercedes, and that a wounded Dzhokhar had likely not gotten very far. That night, they found him in a boat.

When news of the capture broke last Friday, Danny’s roommate called out to him from in front of the living room television. Danny was on the phone at the time, talking to the girl in New York.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/25/carjack-victim-recounts-his-harrowing-night/BhQWGzarWee8MZ6KtMHJNN/story.html

PS - Could'nt really think of what to say..?

Instead, I'll use this (flying-pig) smiley...

:flypig:

[Cidersomerset]

Stella Tremblay, New Hampshire Legislator, Says U.S. Government Planned Boston Bombing
Friday, 26 April 2013 11:16
Posted by David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/April201398/amin20130425125237213.jpg

'A Republican state legislator in New Hampshire is claiming that the United States
government is responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing.

State Rep. Stella Tremblay (R-Auburn) posted on conservative talk show host Glenn
Beck's Facebook page Friday that the attack and the subsequent search for
suspects was playing out how Beck had suggested.She said the bombings were a
plot by the federal government, and included a link to a video from another
conservative talk show host Alex Jones, in which Jones also claims the federal
government planned the bombing. Tremblay's message to Beck was posted Friday
morning, before suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was arrested.'

Read more ...Huffington Post doing some Alex Jones Bashing and calls Tella Tremblay a nut...

http://s.huffpost.com/images/v/logos/bpage/politics.gif?31
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/stella-tremblay-boston-bombing_n_3140461.html------------------------------------------------------------

N.H. state rep. thinks Boston Marathon bombing was done by the government

'New Hampshire State Rep. Stella Tremblay is calling for answers about whether
the American government was involved in detonating explosives at the Boston
Marathon last week, killing three people and wounding more than 170 others.

In an interview with Foster's Daily Democrat Tuesday, Tremblay said she can't rule
out the possibility the government was involved in carrying out the bombings.'

Read more ...
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130423/GJNEWS_01/130429720/-1/FOSNEWS

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83311-washington-planned-boston-bombings-us-house-representative

[Slorri]

My turn to speculate...

Look at the blast spot and look for something? Someone? Jeff? being blown up in the air:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pr8W4yrdIjTbc95MWf4csaXa7n9QIVrFztD5bdcHNJQnZWVFEuxafjFKImvwEMmO3FFudsvw8WhEQDp3nxAC-abzjmbITIR0p/Blown%20up-01.gif?psid=1


The blast didn't crack the side walk pavement but it sure was strong enough to blow something/someone up in the air...

Can you point to what you are seeing?
I see some yellow balloons move about and one piece of paper being blown up.

Hey people!
Take a look at the animated gif Amzer Zo posted here.

Just by the black lamp pole there is a yellow balloon drifting behind it; And to the right of that is a person in yellow clothes holding something above his head, pouring out grey smoke, and he is then putting it down in front of him, just about on the spot where the victims lay.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[InCiDeR]

Welll, this is one of the best videos so far that indicates that actors are involved in Boston bombings:

cwZv_fsXEes

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665122&viewfull=1#post665122)), but not two... the second person is shown in this video. The probabilty for that is ridiculous.

Where is all the blood? All blood that is shown in later pictures? Shouldn't there be lots of blood directly after the blast?

Some comments from youtube regarding this video:


Starting @ 0:23 , you'll notice Mr Bauman in the upper center of the screen.A black woman in a red jacket is between his "blown off legs",also on the other side of them is a man in a dark jacket,grey hoodie and shades(although he really isn't clear here,he is there)and we can see clearly,a hand sliding on Jeff's prosthetic stump!!!Holy ****in ****!!!People need to share this now before it is taken down!!



Wait, I watched the young man in the middle whose plants were shredded to ribbons, (no blood, no lacerations, no broken bones, no cuts, no swelling...IMPOSSIBLE for the tight jeans to rip in asymmetrical fashion with NO flesh wounds. Watch him first stand up- no blood, no redness. HE SQUEEZES A BOTTLE OF SOMETHING ON HIS RIGHT LEG, and falls to the pavement. It is just a couple frames, but look for it. Watch his right hand and right leg after he spins, at 0:28 and 0:29 you can see the tube


Have you noticed his back pocket has fake blood packet


it appears he is puncturing fake blood packets under his torn pants


Notice the man dead center, from seating he stands, appears to grab something from his backside and then turns and sits, I believe he is placing his blood. If you go to the HD images on flickr and the other shots online, you can piece together the movements of all the actors. The heavy woman in the brown sweatshirt is seen clearly handing blood packets off to two different people. The woman that the man with the red jacket is helping also places blood with both her hands.


notice how two actors, the older man who starts off next to the woman who is helped by the man in the red jacket, but then he crawls over to the railing, some ten feet. Also the elderly woman in the shredded blue coat, moves quite a bit from her position.
The blond woman seen sitting with her legs out front of her and her hands on the ground, she starts the seen as a cover for the hooded sunglasses man, who is applying the amputee's fakery. Everyone with torn clothes has not visible wounds!!!!


Are any the 3 fatalities seen in the videos?

---

... and the rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper...

[InCiDeR]

Boston Marathon Bombing - Guy Makes Dust Over Injured People

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EDIT: Slowmotion
u28PxGdI_UI


This is getting silly....

If there are actors involved in this event begs the question: What kind of people would do such things?

EDIT: Some believe it is a towel that he throws. It could be of course.... but why?

[Cidersomerset]

Boston Marathon Bombing - Guy Makes Dust Over Injured People


If they were actors , this scene would have been rehearsed until
it looks normal. I've been on stage many times when I did carnival
concerts and we were all amateurs and we learn't our routines
and positioning so that if we were out of sink the audience
would not know, unless it was bleeding obvious.

It looks like he's using a dust prop to add to the illusion.
If he is not doing that, I don't know why he would pour
powder/dust over real casualties ?


u28PxGdI_UI

As in most of these vids we could just do with a
few more frames !!

[Hervé]

[...]

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread)...

[...]

Which one are you exactly referring to?

As for this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes), if you look at his feet instead of his hands, you may be able to see why I conclude this guy to be unable to stand on his feet.

Then if you look at the bared-leg foot of the girl in front of him before he falls down, you may be able to notice the angle said foot makes with the rest of her leg?

Also, take a good look at the legs of the "runaway guy" and -- maybe -- count the scratches?

So, have another look at that video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes) and watch it frame by frame... hopefully, you'll be able to trust your own eyes?

[Slorri]

[...]

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread)...

[...]

Which one are you exactly referring to?

As for this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes), if you look at his feet instead of his hands, you may be able to see why I conclude this guy to be unable to stand on his feet.

Then if you look at the bared-leg foot of the girl in front of him before he falls down, you may be able to notice the angle said foot makes with the rest of her leg?

Also, take a good look at the legs of the "runaway guy" and -- maybe -- count the scratches?

So, have another look at that video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes) and watch it frame by frame... hopefully, you'll be able to trust your own eyes?

The guy in the middle, in green and black, and torn pants. He doesn't fall down. He stands up, with clean legs, and then spray something on to his legs so they become dark, grey and black, and then sit down again.

[Hervé]

[...]

The guy in the middle, in green and black, and torn pants. He doesn't fall down. He stands up, with clean legs, and then spray something on to his legs so they become dark, grey and black, and then sit down again.

Have another look at his FEET!

[InCiDeR]

[...]

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread)...

[...]

Which one are you exactly referring to?

As for this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes), if you look at his feet instead of his hands, you may be able to see why I conclude this guy to be unable to stand on his feet.

Then if you look at the bared-leg foot of the girl in front of him before he falls down, you may be able to notice the angle said foot makes with the rest of her leg?

Also, take a good look at the legs of the "runaway guy" and -- maybe -- count the scratches?

So, have another look at that video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes) and watch it frame by frame... hopefully, you'll be able to trust your own eyes?


Yes, you are right Amer Zo. I missed the blood on his feet because when I use full screen and toggle frame by frame, I have a border that cover that area of the video. So I used another program and immediately saw what you were refering to, good catch! But that is also the only blood I discovered so far in the video. There are other people whose naked skin does not have any scratches or blood as far as I can see, and that is very strange. Regarding that guy that runs away, I froze a frame, and on his legs I couldn't discover any scratches either... but of course, it is hard to tell, maybe he have some that the video doesn't show.

By the way, I updated my previous post with a link to the first guy with clothes ripped apart that I was refering to.

Nice, I like it when we helping eachother investigating this event!


EDIT: Regarding those "dust" videos a few posts above. Some comments on youtube believe it is a towel. What you all think about that?

[Slorri]

[...]

The guy in the middle, in green and black, and torn pants. He doesn't fall down. He stands up, with clean legs, and then spray something on to his legs so they become dark, grey and black, and then sit down again.

Have another look at his FEET!

Yes, and also look at the large yellow suit that he is climbing out of.
He has sat down on the ground and takes off the yellow suit. Underneath he has his torn pants. The guy with the camera takes the yellow suit, we can clearly see that. Then the other guy stand up, sprays his legs, and sit down again.

This is the guy who was in the yellow suit just befor and held the smoke generator above his head, and placed it on the ground, just as the flash bomb went off.

[Slorri]

Watch the cameraman in green take the yellow suit and walk away, backwards as it seems.
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[InCiDeR]

Yes, and also look at the large yellow suit that he is climbing out of.
He has sat down on the ground and takes off the yellow suit. Underneath he has his torn pants. The guy with the camera takes the yellow suit, we can clearly see that. Then the other guy stand up, sprays his legs, and sit down again.

This is the guy who was in the yellow suit just befor and held the smoke generator above his head, and placed it on the ground, just as the flash bomb went off.

Sorry, but for me that yellow suit appears to be an older guy in front of the person with torn pants, he crawls away towards the guy with the camera... or are my eyes playing tricks on me?!

I used this video to catch that:
cwZv_fsXEes

Here is a frozen frame:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3914/yellowsuit.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/yellowsuit.jpg/)

[Hervé]

[...]

By the way, I updated my previous post with a link to the first guy with clothes ripped apart that I was refering to.

Nice, I like it when we helping eachother investigating this event!

So, this guy:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pCkohScfLysd-gepiR6m41kHLl8X0RL0guzbbjZum24fF21p_9QYyprdIIUw5oZS1-jnZGlw5DM8cGl4uJyFnlziZbPfcCkhY/boston-victim-011.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pX-32Puw5gTaYMHZWQFvHudupXHmV-VW03zmAXc1sS_fjaE7ottQBCCIBIXjT5pXbsvEJGfSl6nYDeeDMtnur1W-wKINCTvkA/8653411636_f45a26c358_ob.jpg?psid=1


My previous post regarding this guy was complete sarcasm from the fact that the pic's legend says no scratch in spite of his legs displaying plenty of 'em scratches. But of course one does need to look...




But that is also the only blood I discovered so far in the video. From my estimation, the whole clip was taken within the first 15 -20 seconds after the initial flash, that's before the smoke comes back down.

It seems, also, that no one finds it odd that he is no longer wearing shoes... just bloody socks...

Look at the spot he was sitting over... fresh blood there.

Look at his left calf when he turns around and start falling down (no blood but charred + white stuff sticking on his calf).

Look at the knees of the lady in red sweater and black jacket sitting in front of him at the beginning of the clip.

Look at the lady's twisted foot.

Look at the right hand of the guy in the the grey hoodie, sitting behind the black lady in front of Jeff, when he moves it.

Have another look at the runaway guy's legs and compare to the pictures I posted above.

The best way I found to look at the video was to download it and view it full screen and take screen captures of each frame and review those. But, in any case, one does need to LOOK!

[Hervé]

The "yellow suit" is an older, bald guy on all four crawling out of the spot he fell down to and who then came to sit down behind the guy in red jacket with the bleeding lady in black jacket and red sweater in front of him (that would be best seen when flipping individual frames from screen captures at regular speed):


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3914/yellowsuit.jpg



I guess it is worth repeating: LOOK!

[turiya]

I've posted this one before with a link, but will embed it here, as it goes with the other Jeff Bauman vid...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l73BxWr0Q&feature=youtu.be

And, I hope nobody has posted this before, but here's, yet, another one...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkXvxs_kzLU

http://www.brighamandwomens.org/publicaffairs/Images/Bulletin2012/Team_Stork.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn84/gempix/Boston-Marathon-psyop-JEFF-BAUMAN-.jpg
Jeff Bauman

~~~~~~~~~~~edit~~~~~~~~~~~~

Certainly, there is a big difference in the way they handled the two different so-called "bomb sites". But, then again, lots of people wear these "Team Stork" shirts... and the so-called missing finger is a bit hard to be certain that it is actually missing, imo. The image of his left hand needs further analysis - somebody with a high def imaging program or HD screen, could perhaps bring out the detail better.

http://giving.brighamandwomens.org/view.image?Id=3196

turiya :cool:

[PurpleLama]

For anyone interested, a recent interview of Joseph P. Farrell discussing this topic and more....


http://www.thebyteshow.com/Audio/JosephPFarrell/JosephPFarrell_CulturalTransitions6_20Apr2013_TBS.mp3

[Hervé]

[...]

... and the so-called missing finger is a bit hard to be certain that it is actually missing, imo. The image of his left hand needs further analysis - somebody with a high def imaging program, perhaps could bring out the detail better.

[...]

Jeff Bauman is indeed Jeff Bauman, ain't no Nick Vogt there:



WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC!


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p8-WMF3gEoJHJc6Qc5NvGILcyUzJMC4DwdIfiSACKT2rxnn6JX6n0bMdqtpOds_fR41dZpSOkcD_cMsB-8mwwkGwXSzyRnex9/pict139b.jpg?psid=1

[witchy1]

In another twist......Its the Greenberg again!!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/s480x480/486740_576242612405958_576001405_n.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=576242612405958&set=a.115198135177077.12001.115186371844920&type=1&ref=nf)

This is from a Sandy Hook piece re the Greenbergs and Wohls and others- worth a read IMHO

http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Greenbergmichaelpic1.jpg (http://nodisinfo.com/Home/sandy-hook-and-the-greenberg-wohl-crime-syndicate/greenbergmichaelpic1/)
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/sandy-hook-and-the-greenberg-wohl-crime-syndicate/

[turiya]

[...]

... and the so-called missing finger is a bit hard to be certain that it is actually missing, imo. The image of his left hand needs further analysis - somebody with a high def imaging program, perhaps could bring out the detail better.

[...]

Jeff Bauman is indeed Jeff Bauman, ain't no Nick Vogt there:


I agree that they are two different people.
I added another vid in my last post, that suggests that the man in the wheel chair (Jeff Bauman) could still be an actor. The donation fund is well over a million dollars at present... (as it was told in that first vid I posted)...

care to address this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l73BxWr0Q&feature=youtu.be

turiya :cool:

[witchy1]

Just as a FYI - From Truma surgeons

The femoral artery blood flow is around 600ml/minute,
An average person has 5000ml of blood.
Jeff allegedly has TWO severed femoral arteries,
He should be stone-dead in FOUR minutes if his femoral arteries were not clamped within ONE minute,
He would need a large volume of saline to replace the lost blood to keep his blood pressure up to prevent cardiac arrest within TWO minutes

It looks like a de-gloving injury to the lower leg but where is the fibula?

What about the flopping or loose flaps of ‘skin.’ Those flaps make no sense and have never before been seen in human anatomy

It can be seen that it is all fake, teflon and putty. No skin in the universe is that thick.

http://nodisinfo.com/Home/who-is-jeff-bauman-actor-or-victim/

[Hervé]

Just as a FYI - From Truma surgeons

The femoral artery blood flow is around 600ml/minute,
An average person has 5000ml of blood.
Jeff allegedly has TWO severed femoral arteries,
He should be stone-dead in FOUR minutes if his femoral arteries were not clamped within ONE minute,
He would need a large volume of saline to replace the lost blood to keep his blood pressure up to prevent cardiac arrest within TWO minutes

It looks like a de-gloving injury to the lower leg but where is the fibula?

What about the flopping or loose flaps of ‘skin.’ Those flaps make no sense and have never before been seen in human anatomy

It can be seen that it is all fake, teflon and putty. No skin in the universe is that thick.

http://nodisinfo.com/Home/who-is-jeff-bauman-actor-or-victim/

Sorry witchy1 but you would have to go back in this thread and find the posts by myself and Vivek that point out that, anatomically, femoral arteries stop above knees. The lady in blue had a leg cut out at the hip and didn't make it.

Then there is a physiological response to injuries which contracts muscles and shuts down blood circulation to a minimum, at least for a while.

[ThePythonicCow]

For anyone interested, a recent interview of Joseph P. Farrell discussing this topic and more....


http://www.thebyteshow.com/Audio/JosephPFarrell/JosephPFarrell_CulturalTransitions6_20Apr2013_TBS.mp3

Aha - GeorgeAnn Hughes and TheByteShow (http://www.thebyteshow.com/) interviewing Joseph P. Farrell once again - cool - thanks :).

[InCiDeR]

..So, this guy:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pX-32Puw5gTaYMHZWQFvHudupXHmV-VW03zmAXc1sS_fjaE7ottQBCCIBIXjT5pXbsvEJGfSl6nYDeeDMtnur1W-wKINCTvkA/8653411636_f45a26c358_ob.jpg?psid=1

My previous post regarding this guy was complete sarcasm from the fact that the pic's legend says no scratch in spite of his legs displaying plenty of 'em scratches. But of course one does need to look...

I am sorry Amzer Zo, but I am not driven by sarcasm, especially not in a case like this... but if that is important for you, please continue. I see now that I should have rephrased my statement regarding this picture, more like "He has lesser marks on his skin than expected, considering his ripped apart clothes!". That would have been closer to how I interpret the picture.





But that is also the only blood I discovered so far in the video.
From my estimation, the whole clip was taken within the first 15 -20 seconds after the initial flash, that's before the smoke comes back down.


It seems, also, that no one finds it odd that he is no longer wearing shoes... just bloody socks...
That is very strange indeed, wonder what happened to his shoes.


Look at the spot he was sitting over... fresh blood there.
I had some hard time spotting this first, I must get myself a bigger screen than my laptop and more sophisticated software. But after downloading the video, as you suggested, I managed to get the right frames.


Look at his left calf when he turns around and start falling down (no blood but charred + white stuff sticking on his calf).
Yeah, I noticed that as well.


Look at the knees of the lady in red sweater and black jacket sitting in front of him at the beginning of the clip.
Nice catch, that one I completely missed first time!


Look at the lady's twisted foot.
I noticed that as well. She managed to move the foot a bit twice, still with that scary angle though, so hopefully they will be able to save it.


Look at the right hand of the guy in the the grey hoodie, sitting behind the black lady in front of Jeff, when he moves it.
Yeah, I saw that as well.


Have another look at the runaway guy's legs and compare to the pictures I posted above.
Same goes with this guy. Less marks than expected considering what the clothes tells me.

---

Overall, I still find it strange that there are not more blood in that scene we are discussing. In my point of view, I expected more, even though I am not an expert when it comes to explosives. However there are much more blood further away from the spot the video is showing, as this picture shows:

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/04/16/1226621/405839-boston-marathon-explosions.jpg

This scene seems to be further away from the bomb, if I understand it correctly... so I am puzzled.

It is a sad fact though, that we have reached a point in which we have to analyze horrifying pictures because we don't trust the power that be...

[witchy1]

This wouldnt be a wheelchair would it?????

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[Hervé]

[...]

It is a sad fact though, that we have reached a point in which we have to analyze horrifying pictures because we don't trust the power that be...

... or because gootubers are cashing in on outrageous theories that are trendy.

The guy's right leg has been "salted" with a ball bearing/BB gunshot blast. The clothes shredding is mostly due to the initial blast compression shock wave which first compresses the air around and then suddenly expands which is then followed by the vacuum flow-back of the air towards the source spot of the detonation.

A pressure cooker full of explosives and no shrapnel would have blown clothes to shreds without almost any injuries. Imagine a sudden gale on a flabby spinnaker.

This is where the sarcasm stemed from:


http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af356/stuarburstphotography/boston-victim-011-s_zpsdc004870.jpg (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/stuarburstphotography/media/boston-victim-011-s_zpsdc004870.jpg.html)

No scratches on his legs?

:jaw:





Regarding the shoes, most of them were blown off feet, like with the "Guy #2": no shoe on his injured foot while his right shoe remained intact on his right foot.


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pGqXusBCOte5owbjPMkuN57BGzg-iohzmk1hgczbDqIKgnoNbyX8UsFgnBdbCJkXXIbocCtX1xqZPZokzp9lFNhFccpSImIvg/Image-2013-04-23-17h-34mn-6.jpg?psid=1




As for this:


Overall, I still find it strange that there are not more blood in that scene we are discussing. In my point of view, I expected more, even though I am not an expert when it comes to explosives. However there are much more blood further away from this spot, as this picture shows:


http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/04/16/1226621/405839-boston-marathon-explosions.jpg


This scene seems to be further away from the bomb, if I understand it correctly... so I am puzzled.I guess you missed this post of mine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665813&viewfull=1#post665813):


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1paPNt7wP8M13lOit-9sfltUreUZe4D4ju74Xr0w4gVDC3KQw8d_EO4XOdKk4LV-YrxkZZUzcltCpNBQP1CKB6AcFv7ifOwnej/ss%20(2013-04-16%20at%2006.13.26)a.jpg?psid=1






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This wouldnt be a wheelchair would it?????

21263

How about a shoe?

[witchy1]

21268Sorry Amzer Zo - look at the other leg

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/iliac_arteries_and_veins.jpg

Looks like he has had a double AKA in this photo
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/who-is-jeff-bauman-actor-or-victim/

[witchy1]

Boston maraton as a dry run disaster (article from 2008)

According to BEMS chief Richard Serino, his department considers events like the marathon and the Fourth of July celebration as planned disasters - "safe, controlled environments that present "an opportunity to test some things you would never want to test in a real disaster."

Although the principal goal during such events remains the safety of everyone involved, organizers have realized that these annual gatherings of hundreds of thousands of people present the perfect opportunity to evaluate new technologies, exercise disaster plans, and build vital relationships between public safety agencies and the private sector.

For example, a tracking system that utilizes barcodes and hand scanners to log a patient's condition and location has been tested during past races. During a real disaster, this technology could provide authorities quick access to the location and condition of casualties, information that currently takes hours, if not days, for friends and families of the injured to ascertain.

This year, as always, even more important than testing new technologies is the development of relationships between various public safety and medical communities, as well as with the private sector. Homeland security specialists often talk about the importance of not waiting to "exchange business cards at the scene of a disaster." This means that counterparts from different agencies meet each other before a disaster thrusts them together for the first time.....

To successfully manage the marathon, BEMS and other public safety agencies must have relationships not just with the Boston Athletic Association, which organizes the race, but also with a diverse set of private organizations. These include, but are not limited to, private ambulance services that back up BEMS, and hotels and other businesses along the route that help make the behind-the-scenes operation of the marathon run smoothly.

In Washington, D.C., the city's evacuation plan is tested during the mass exodus of people after the fireworks finale at the Fourth of July festivities. California has developed medical surge plans to be used after catastrophes such as an earthquake in San Francisco or a nuclear terrorist attack in Los Angeles. The New York Police Department has created robust intelligence and counter-terrorism divisions to protect its residents.
Massachusetts is better prepared for a real disaster because every Patriot's Day and Fourth of July is treated as a "disaster." Instead of constant warnings about the inevitability of another terrorist attack or natural catastrophe, the public would be better served if this type of local homeland security innovation were promoted and adopted elsewhere.

Rest here: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/04/21/marathon_as_dry_run_disaster/

[witchy1]

Marathons – A Tale of Two Cities and the Running of a Planned Mass Casualty Event
Richard Serino,

Chief of Department,

Boston EMS
Asst. Director, Boston Public Health


Presentation Overview

•Planned Disaster Concept


•Groundwork

•Collaboration
•Planning
•Execution


•Evaluation and Analysis



Here is the PDF (sorry its too big to upload)
http://www.integratedtrainingsummit.org/presentations/2008/main_training_summit/course_18_-_tale_of_two_cities_and_the_running_of_a_planned_mass_casualty_event_-_serino_richard.pdf


Here is a 2nd download link in case first one gets removed https://mega.co.nz/#!EcRABZQa!GD2CC33Rn0jtb4mY4wL59n1D1AdYAIAj7utctfE9DJA (https://mega.co.nz/#!EcRABZQa!GD2CC33Rn0jtb4mY4wL59n1D1AdYAIAj7utctfE9DJA)

[witchy1]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNtuRoIj.jpg

According to the EXIF data of this photo it was taken on:
2012:01:25 03:41:57

ICC -header
Profile CMM Type: lcms
Profile Version: 2.1.0
Profile Class: Display Device Profile
Color Space Data: RGB
Profile Connection Space: XYZ
Profile Date Time: 2012:01:25 03:41:57
Profile File Signature: acsp
Primary Platform: Apple Computer Inc.
CMM Flags: Not Embedded, Independent
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Device Attributes: Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
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Connection Space Illuminant: 0.9642 1 0.82491
Profile Creator: lcms
Profile ID: N/A

The "File Modify Date" is the date the photo was taken.
The "Profile Date Time" is located in the ICC Profile.
ICC means "International Color Consortium" and the
ICC Profile contains color-correction data.
The "Profile Date Time" is the date/time of the profile when it was embedded into the camera during manufacture

I know its from GLP - just checking if anyone can verify these setting etc..
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2217507/pg2

[ThePythonicCow]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNtuRoIj.jpg

According to the EXIF data of this photo it was taken on:
2012:01:25 03:41:57

So ... why would I care if a picture of Jeff Bauman (I guess that's who this is) was taken on 25 Jan 2012 ?

Ah - PS - Jeff is the Boston amputee, not the other military amputee. So I guess the camera date wasn't set?

P.P.S. -- here's the Huffington Post article that goes with that picture: Jeff Bauman, who lost both legs in Boston Marathon bombing, gives birthday present to fellow victim Sydney Corcoran (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/marathon-bombing-survivor-birthday-gift-fellow-victim-article-1.1326121). It is Sydney's birthday, not Jeff's

[witchy1]

Was there more than one Jeff Bauman at the race.... These guys were tracking their local 15 genesse runners:

Mark Bauman, 63, Flushing. Father and son Mark and Jeff Bauman (http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/04/geena_gall_mark_and_jeff_bauma.html#incart_river_default) of Bauman's Running Store in Flint Township were confirmed safe and uninjured, according to a family member. Jeff was there to run in a non-marathon race.
and

Two other area runners in Boston were father and son duo Mark and Jeff Bauman of Bauman's Running Store in Flint Township. They also were running in another race and already had finished by the time the explosion happened in the marathon.

Mark Bauman's wife Joan -- Jeff's mother -- confirmed that both are safe and were not injured in the explosions. Neither could be immediately reached on their cell phones.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/04/geena_gall_mark_and_jeff_bauma.html#incart_river_default
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/04/boston_marathon.html#incart_river_default

[jackovesk]

MSM (FearMongering) TERRORISTS: 9/11 plane's 'Landing Gear' part found in New York..???

April 27, 2013

http://content4.video.news.com.au/NDM_-_news.com.au/224/630/promo191302021_648x365_2381960542-hero.jpg


Open to (See) the attached Video (http://www.news.com.au/world-news/planes-landing-gear-part-found-in-new-york/story-fndir2ev-1226630471921)


A 1.5 METRE-tall piece of landing gear believed to be from one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center in the September 11 terror attacks has been discovered wedged between a mosque site and another building near ground zero.

The part includes a clearly visible Boeing identification number, New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said today.

The twisted, rusted metal part has cables and levers on it and is about 0.9 metres wide and 0.5 metres tall.

An NYPD photo shows the gear was found in a narrow gap between the two buildings.

The gap appears to be barely wide enough for a person to walk through.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/04/27/1226630/594159-landing-gear-from-9-11-plane.jpg
Part of the landing gear believed to be from one of the jets which crashed into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Picture: NYPD
.
''The way it was wedged, it had to go in just the right way for it to go undetected for over a decade,'' Browne said.

The site is being treated as a crime scene, police said

The medical examiner's office will complete a health and safety evaluation to determine whether to sift the soil around the buildings for possible human remains, police said.

The aircraft part will not be removed until evaluations are done and then it will be kept by the NYPD, Browne said.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/04/27/1226630/595252-landing-gear-from-9-11-plane.jpg
The tiny gap between two buildinmgs in New York where part of the landing gear believed to be from one of the jets which crashed into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, was found. Picture: NYPD
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The piece of equipment was discovered on Wednesday by surveyors inspecting the lower Manhattan site of a planned Islamic community centre, at 51 Park Place, on behalf of the building's owner, police said.

The inspectors called police who secured the scene, documenting it with photos.

The spot where the landing gear was found is about three blocks from ground zero.

When plans for the mosque and community centre were first announced several years ago, opponents protested that putting a Muslim facility near ground zero showed disrespect.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/27/1226630/580549-sept-11-landing-gear.jpg
A police officer guards the entrance of 51 Park Place in New York. Picture: AP
Supporters cited freedom of religion and said it wasn't too close to where Islamic extremists attacked on September 11, 2001.

Two hijacked planes slammed into the nearby World Trade Center towers in 2001, killing thousands of people.

Where the landing gear was found:

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/04/27/1226630/476040-9-11.jpg
This photo montage shows a hijacked commercial plane (left) moments before crashing into one of the twin towers of the World Trade Centre in New York as smoke billows from the other tower (right) which was attacked earlier.

View (Larger Map) (https://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode=&q=51+park+place+new+york+city&aq=&sll=40.713568,-74.010019&sspn=0.001974,0.004128&t=h&gl=au&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=51+Park+Pl,+New+York,+10007,+United+States&ll=40.713696,-74.01&spn=0.031228,0.054932&z=14&iwloc=A)

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/planes-landing-gear-part-found-in-new-york/story-fndir2ev-1226630471921

PS - You (Now Know) just (WHO) you are up Against...!!!

You (Now Know) (WHY) the (MSM) want to (CRUSH) your (MIND) with (FEAR)...:mad2:

(CONVENIENTLY) this story comes out in the (WAKE) of the (BOSTON BOMBING)...

All the (LIES) held together by a piece of (ROPE)...:faint:

Just (LOOK) how they (SPIN) the (FEAR)..!!!


Open to (See) the attached Video (http://www.news.com.au/world-news/planes-landing-gear-part-found-in-new-york/story-fndir2ev-1226630471921)

1. 911 rears its Ugly-Head again just in time
2. Don't forget to include a (Grieving Spouse) who lost a loved one on that day
3. Story (Links) to the (Muslim Mosque)
4. Story (Links) to the recent (Boston Bombing)
5. Of (Course) they can't (PROVE) how it got there after (12 YEARS)

It is (YOU) the (MSM) who are the (REAL - TERRORISTS)...:yes4:

:focus:

[witchy1]

There are some come photos I havnt seen before here: http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bombs-02/boston-bombs-02.htm

And what is the hollow pipe things on Jeffs bum (look at top of thigh tucked under the brown cover)


21269

[Slorri]

Yes, and also look at the large yellow suit that he is climbing out of.
He has sat down on the ground and takes off the yellow suit. Underneath he has his torn pants. The guy with the camera takes the yellow suit, we can clearly see that. Then the other guy stand up, sprays his legs, and sit down again.

This is the guy who was in the yellow suit just befor and held the smoke generator above his head, and placed it on the ground, just as the flash bomb went off.

Sorry, but for me that yellow suit appears to be an older guy in front of the person with torn pants, he crawls away towards the guy with the camera... or are my eyes playing tricks on me?!

I used this video to catch that:
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Here is a frozen frame:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3914/yellowsuit.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/yellowsuit.jpg/)

Ah yes, you are right. It's another man in the yellow suit.
Everything changes with every new piece of video and photo.

Very strange with all them high resolution images.

[InCiDeR]

[...]

It is a sad fact though, that we have reached a point in which we have to analyze horrifying pictures because we don't trust the power that be...

... or because gootubers are cashing in on outrageous theories that are trendy.

Probably a combination of both!


The guy's right leg has been "salted" with a ball bearing/BB gunshot blast. The clothes shredding is mostly due to the initial blast compression shock wave which first compresses the air around and then suddenly expands which is then followed by the vacuum flow-back of the air towards the source spot of the detonation.

A pressure cooker full of explosives and no shrapnel would have blown clothes to shreds without almost any injuries. Imagine a sudden gale on a flabby spinnaker.

Yes, this is a most likely explanation. What puzzles me though, why isn't the above true for all people in that area, just for some selected individuals. Other people seems to have intact clothes for most part.

This makes me wonder where did the bomb actually blast. First I thought close to the wall, at the dark spot, but now I start to believe it blow beside Jeff and the people with ripped clothes. They acted as a wall, shielding the others. [/end speculation]




I guess you missed this post of mine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665813&viewfull=1#post665813):
No, I did read your post. But that scene of your post is further away from the spot the discussed video is showing. It also showing the scenario from the opposite direction/angle. As I stated, that scene that you show in your post have lots of blood in it, whereas the scene the video is showing do not have nearly that much.

How come? Maybe depending on what spot the bomb went off? As I speculated earlier, maybe some unfortunate people acted as a wall shielding other people.

The epicentre of the blast is still a bit of a mystery to me.


Ah yes, you are right. It's another man in the yellow suit.
Everything changes with every new piece of video and photo.

Very strange with all them high resolution images.

Yes, especially all of the high resolution images that witchy1 linked to! (http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bombs-02/boston-bombs-02.htm)

But maybe the photographer just likes to take lots of photos, and as he stated, could give some clues to what really happened… many of them though, contain a lots of information regarding this confusing puzzle!

[InCiDeR]

Interview with Jeff Bauman:

BOSTON BOMBING HERO JEFF BAUMAN: "HE'S DEAD AND I'M STILL HERE" (http://audio.weei.com/a/74019257/boston-bombing-hero-jeff-bauman-he-s-dead-and-i-m-still-here.htm)

---

James Tracy: The Unlikely Antics of Boston’s Cowboy Hero (http://nodisinfo.com/Home/james-tracy-the-unlikely-antics-of-bostons-cowboy-hero/)


Nodisnofo.com and Dr. James Tracy & colleagues simultaneously publish articles proving the Boston attack to be a fraud, focusing on the lies and deception perpetrated by Carlos “the Cowboy” Arrendondo. An excellent review by Tracey: commendations.

Fraudster Carlos Arrendondo Strikes Again (http://nodisinfo.com/Home/carlos-also/)


Note: it will be proven, here, that Carlos Arrendondo is telling great lies in the media. These great lies have been spread all over the world, while helping to maintain the hoax of the official story. That means that this individual is a collaborator in this false flag attack.

[Hervé]

[...]

care to address this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l73BxWr0Q&feature=youtu.be

turiya :cool:

When I first saw the picture below, I thought:

"These knuckleheads are gonna let his hanging flesh get caught in the wheels..."


http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/CowboyHatGuyDoubleAmputeeGuy.jpg



... problem solved after passing the finish line:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pvirlo60rQ-9oFc67aTLbSofcAPq4lTyads7cGqAt0KsF_8jJ38XWePCIzoq8 qzb2PmrHLs7RgWTbQx6RnJ0w4XM3If6y4UrS/Boston%20%231-078.jpg?psid=1




... and now the EMT guy is keeping his hand and eyes on it since he is not holding onto any part of the wheelchair to pull it like Carlos is doing:



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pi0YcwWBKbViLLfxDJPOB0ivjhY6wtKSfqkKCxosquYN8_im O7r-Bt4oMJqfwX4p9haNf2KodmOyiqlmSk7gc4M8qMG1QqBYq/Bauman-11.jpg?psid=1

[christian]

Hey, have hardly read anything in this thread, sorry if this has already been posted:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/603979_452214191524644_1788057314_n.jpg

[Hervé]

Hey, have hardly read anything in this thread, sorry if this has already been posted:



Many times done, redone, over done and with similar "introductions" as yours:

See these posts: # 576 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665782&viewfull=1#post665782), # 581 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665825&viewfull=1#post665825) about Nick Vogt also missing his left pinky finger and, finally, this post # 701 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=667048&viewfull=1#post667048) which display Jeff Bauman exhibiting all fingers on his left hand right on site; no switcheroo of "actors" there.

[sheme]

Different people I think!

[enfoldedblue]

Hey, have hardly read anything in this thread, sorry if this has already been posted:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/603979_452214191524644_1788057314_n.jpg

Hi,
While there is undoubtedly a lot of dodginess around this incident, in my opinion the guy in the first pick is not the same guy as the other three pics. As an artist who has done years of life-drawing my eyes are trained to see details such as size, proportion, positioning etc. Unless the soldier had a nose job (to lengthen and narrow), his chin made narrower, and had his forehead and brow altered, then these are actually two different people.
For me however, it is unclear if the bottom left pic is supposed to be the soldier or the Boston bomb victim. To me the person in that pic is the soldier.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey, have hardly read anything in this thread, sorry if this has already been posted:
I would encourage members to look over a thread before posting :).

We risk spending more time revisiting the same discredited conjectures than we do making new progress.

[Dennis Leahy]

This is just a post about emotions, not logic or painstaking research...

I don't feel I have added much to this thread other than conjecture and gut feeling. Will my first "spidey sense tingling" turn out to be correct, or will this be yet one more event with more questions than answers. I realize that I came into this so highly biased, so highly charged with conviction and emotion (because I don't trust 0.000001% of anything the US government says or that their propaganda wing - the "news" - "reports") that I am looking for lies rather than looking for truth.

The other thing that really hit me was that this crime scene (whether faked or real or a blend), these frame-by-frame videos of horrific dismemberment and gore and death are not my genre. I don't really have the stomach for it. I'm not desensitized to it. I am affected by it. I have never played violent games, I don't hunt, I have never been in a war or in a warzone, I am not an OR tech or nurse or doc... in short, this is caustic and toxic to my emotional well-being. I would sacrifice that if I felt that my contribution was worth it, but I don't feel I have contributed anything of significance.

So, I'm bowing out of this discussion (but might occasionally peek through the keyhole to see if anyone comes up with anything definitive.)

I would offer a parting observation: the chatter about 9/11 has just been turned up several notches, with numerous shills on Farcebook using the "gullible truthers" meme, blending Boston with 9/11. This was repeated and amplified by a dumbfoundingly jaw dropping presentation on mainstream television (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4w8f1HrYqI) watched by millions of people that believe they are "progressives", hawking the 9/11 commission report and a comic book version (no, I'm not making this up!) - and this is verbally conflated with Boston Marathon conspiracy theorists. In short, discrediting all the "lunatic 9/11 truthers" with a wide brushstroke, due to Boston.

Opportunist or false flag specialists - either way, that is part of the bounty that TMTB (the monsters that be) are reaping. Those of you who have studied 9/11 know it was most certainly a major false flag operation. As the number of people who were slowly awakening over the years has been rising, "they" (the perpetrators and cover-up team of 9/11) have a lot at risk if a threshold percentage recognizes 9/11 as a false flag.. the war on terror is thus phony... the security-state, intelligence-state, police-state is premeditated and fraudulent, the loss of rights is fraudulent, etc...

"They" don't want people waking to this, or it could spoil their plans. Be very careful not to fuel the fire of this new meme (blending Boston Marathon conspiracy speculation with 9/11, and painting all with the same "crazy truthers" and "conspiracy nuts" brush), while you proceed diligently with research. I fear there are some deliberately planted "false false flags" that are bait to discredit researchers. Submit data points one-at-a-time, as you observe them, but be careful about making huge declarations and conclusions (until and unless you are truly ready.)

With that, I bid you adieu.

Dennis

[Referee]

IMO one of Most informative talks about the bombings.

RHpNHiTlG88

[Cidersomerset]

I don't feel I have added much to this thread other than conjecture and gut feeling. Will my first "spidey sense tingling" turn out to be correct, or will this be yet one more event with more questions than answers. I realize that I came into this so highly biased, so highly charged with conviction and emotion (because I don't trust 0.000001% of anything the US government says or that their propaganda wing - the "news" - "reports") that I am looking for lies rather than looking for truth.

The other thing that really hit me was that this crime scene (whether faked or real or a blend), these frame-by-frame videos of horrific dismemberment and gore and death are not my genre. I don't really have the stomach for it. I'm not desensitized to it. I am affected by it. I have never played violent games, I don't hunt, I have never been in a war or in a warzone, I am not an OR tech or nurse or doc... in short, this is caustic and toxic to my emotional well-being. I would sacrifice that if I felt that my contribution was worth it, but I don't feel I have contributed anything of significance.

I feel similar ,this just does not feel right from top to bottom, and the fact crisis actors even exist and private security, film craft & stage craft
means deception is very possible and probable. The Greeks did it with the Trojan horse and there are hundreds of false flags and deceptions thru history.
In world war 11 all sides created lies and diversions and that continued all thru the cold war and must be going on Today. Gen Rommel made dummy
tanks in the desert by converting motor vehicles , Gen Montgomery had rubber Tanks, and Gen Patton was in command of a whole dummy army before D Day.

There has been some great analyst on this thread of all these photos and scenarios, which I must confess I'm a bit lost with at the moment
with all pictures and counter views , but it has been vibrant and everyone is trying to stay focused, well done....Steve


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Militarily this maybe valid, but things are far
more sophisticated now as the Iraqi's found
out in 'Shock & Awe'

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MO one of Most informative talks about the bombings.

I agree Kevin that was a very good piece, from a real explosive expert Cheers

[Cidersomerset]

Related news items............


'Boston bomb a $700 billion security failure'

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Published on 27 Apr 2013


Since 9/11 the United States spent over $700 billion on national security
but as the Boston tragedy showed the money went to nothing, American
lawyer Jesselyn Radack told RT - READ FULL SCRIPT http://on.rt.com/5wxi19

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Did FBI ignore Russia's warnings on Boston bombing suspects?

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Published on 27 Apr 2013


As the Boston Marathon bombing investigation moves forward, reports have
indicated that Russia contacted both the FBI and CIA about Tamerlan Tsarnaev's
activities in Russia. According to US officials, their examination of 26-year-old
Tamerlan went nowhere, and when the agencies contacted Russia about the
individual a response was never returned. Stephen Cohen, author and professor of
Russian Studies at NYU, discusses a possible alliance between the two superpowers
to fight global terrorism and what went wrong in the case of the Tsarnaev brothers.

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Russia has had the same problem for years. This is why the 'War On Terror' is
just a NWO ploy for financial, military and their control agenda. Terrorists have
always existed and probably always will and cause death and destruction, but
the actual motive for the 'War on Terror' is political not ethical imo.


140 detained in Moscow extremist-Islam raid, 30 reported to be foreigners



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Published on 26 Apr 2013

Russia's Federal Security Service announced that 140 people have been detained
in the Russian capital for suspected membership in extremist Islamist
organizations - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/wicxi5

[Cidersomerset]

Russian Inflatable Weapons .....Even fools Radar....

Apart from deception , it is very cost effective and
could cause enemies to waste expensive missiles
blowing them up.....Ah 'The Art of Deception'!!

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Published on 26 Dec 2012

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[araucaria]

@post #731: this is nothing new. In World War II, in the buildup to and the early days after D-Day, Patton was held back with a whole fictive army with the intention of making Normandy look like just a diversionary attack. They had large numbers of wooden tanks etc. in addition to a huge number of bogus radio transmissions, and obviously it worked.

Edit: #732: oops didn't see that:o
so, I'm just providing independent corroboration. This is what we need :)

[Cidersomerset]

@post #731: this is nothing new. In World War II, in the buildup to D-Day, Patton was held back with a whole fictive army with the intention of making Normandy look like just a diversionary attack. They had large numbers of wooden tanks etc. in addition to a huge number of bogus radio transmissions, and obviously it worked.



I know read # 729...LOl...It was set up to keep the Germans guessing
particularly that the Allies were going to invade in the Calais area,
instead of Normandy so that Rommel would keep strong forces there.

Operation Fortitude

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[RunningDeer]

If this video doesn't belong here, you are welcome to delete. Thanks to Gio for the posting.

Published on Apr 24, 2013 - in 4 days there are 47,847 views



"The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as being potentially offensive or inappropriate. Viewer discretion is advised."


SMOKING GUN FACT BOSTON BOMBINGS WAS STAGED FEMA DOCUMENT TO PROVE IT !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHym0NyR05s

[778 neighbour of some guy]

[...]

care to address this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l73BxWr0Q&feature=youtu.be

turiya :cool:

When I first saw the picture below, I thought:

"These knuckleheads are gonna let his hanging flesh get caught in the wheels..."


http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/CowboyHatGuyDoubleAmputeeGuy.jpg



... problem solved after passing the finish line:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pvirlo60rQ-9oFc67aTLbSofcAPq4lTyads7cGqAt0KsF_8jJ38XWePCIzoq8 qzb2PmrHLs7RgWTbQx6RnJ0w4XM3If6y4UrS/Boston%20%231-078.jpg?psid=1




... and now the EMT guy is keeping his hand and eyes on it since he is not holding onto any part of the wheelchair to pull it like Carlos is doing:



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pi0YcwWBKbViLLfxDJPOB0ivjhY6wtKSfqkKCxosquYN8_im O7r-Bt4oMJqfwX4p9haNf2KodmOyiqlmSk7gc4M8qMG1QqBYq/Bauman-11.jpg?psid=1


That guy should be pumping out blood like Old Faithfull pumps up water and yet not a single drop on the street, they must have put a tourniquet around his aorta, o wait.......... thats impossible, he would be DEAD then.

Two weeks ago i bandaged up an old drunk fart ( put his fist through a window in a stupid drunk retard burglary attempt) it took him 30 seconds to bleed through the whole damn office and he turned white as a sheet real fast from bloodloss and we spend an hour mopping up after the cops came to pick him up.

When you get shredded like in the above pictures, you are a geiser.

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of items on Davids site...........


Eyewitness: ‘Tamerlan was run over by Boston police and then shot multiple times’

Sunday, 28 April 2013 11:58
Posted by David Icke

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Published on 27 Apr 2013


NEW EVIDENCE: Now an additional piece of eyewitness evidence has surfaced from
a radio broadcast which aired on Friday April 19, 2013 on WEEI 93.7 FM in Boston,
where a caller named Linda explains how the shootout transpired on Dexter Street
in Watertown during the early morning hours. She is saying that she saw the first
suspect, Tamerlan, mortally wounded and then run over by police, after which time
the police began their incredible manhunt for the second suspect Dzhokhar. Why
would police change their story about Tamerlan? Listen. and you decide...



Read more ...
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83382-eyewitness-tamerlan-was-run-
over-by-boston-police-and-then-shot-multiple-times
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Tsarnaev Uncle Married Top CIA Man's Daughter

Read more ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83382-eyewitness-tamerlan-was-run-
over-by-boston-police-and-then-shot-multiple-times

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/sitelogos/logo_mol.gif

Boston terror suspects uncle was married to CIA officer's daughter and even shared
a home with the agent


By Katie Davies

PUBLISHED: 00:34, 28 April 2013 | UPDATED: 06:55, 28 April 2013
An uncle of the Boston bombers was previously married to a CIA officer's daughter
for three years, it emerged today. Ruslan Tsarni, who publicly denounced his two
terrorist nephews' actions and called them 'Losers', even lived with his father-in-law
agent Graham Fuller in his Maryland home for a year. Mr Fuller was forced to
explain the relationship today as news of the family link emerged online


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/28/article-0-19646910000005DC-396_306x423.jpg

Son-in-law: Former CIA agent Graham Fuller, left, explained his relationship to the
two Boston terror suspects' uncle today. Ruslan Tsarni, right, was married for three
years to his daughter, Samantha

He told Al-Monitor that his daughter, Samantha, was married to Ruslan, whose
surname was then Tsarnaev, for three to four years in the 1990s.
The couple divorced in 1999 more than ten years after he left the agency in 1987.
'Samantha was married to Ruslan Tsarnaev (Tsarni) for 3-4 years, and they lived in
Bishkek for one year where Samantha was working for Price Waterhouse on
privatization projects,' Mr Fuller said.
'They also lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so and they were divorced
in 1999, I believe.






Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315929/Boston-terror-suspects-uncle-married-CIA-officers-daughter-shared-home-agent.html#ixzz2RmfqqThs
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

[sheme]

[...]

care to address this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l73BxWr0Q&feature=youtu.be

turiya :cool:

When I first saw the picture below, I thought:

"These knuckleheads are gonna let his hanging flesh get caught in the wheels..."


http://www.leahyguitars.com/Imagez/Two/CowboyHatGuyDoubleAmputeeGuy.jpg



... problem solved after passing the finish line:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pvirlo60rQ-9oFc67aTLbSofcAPq4lTyads7cGqAt0KsF_8jJ38XWePCIzoq8 qzb2PmrHLs7RgWTbQx6RnJ0w4XM3If6y4UrS/Boston%20%231-078.jpg?psid=1




... and now the EMT guy is keeping his hand and eyes on it since he is not holding onto any part of the wheelchair to pull it like Carlos is doing:



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pi0YcwWBKbViLLfxDJPOB0ivjhY6wtKSfqkKCxosquYN8_im O7r-Bt4oMJqfwX4p9haNf2KodmOyiqlmSk7gc4M8qMG1QqBYq/Bauman-11.jpg?psid=1


That guy should be pumping out blood like Old Faithfull pumps up water and yet not a single drop on the street, they must have put a tourniquet around his aorta, o wait.......... thats impossible, he would be DEAD then.

Two weeks ago i bandaged up an old drunk fart ( put his fist through a window in a stupid drunk retard burglary attempt) it took him 30 seconds to bleed through the whole damn office and he turned white as a sheet real fast from bloodloss and we spend an hour mopping up after the cops came to pick him up.

When you get shredded like in the above pictures, you are a geiser.

The chap on the right of him has a main artery in his thumb and finger the victim is applying pressure on his femoral artery- Like cabbage tear wounds bleed less than cut wounds. My prayers are with him.

[Hervé]

This is just a post about emotions, not logic or painstaking research...

I don't feel I have added much to this thread other than conjecture and gut feeling.
Thank you Dennis and congratulations for your inner work in reaching an increased level of honesty.

I apologize in advance for taking your post as a generic case of too many instances of similars by looking at it from the point of view of "psyops" and not as a personal criticism since I, too, fall for these short cuts.

First what are "psyops (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209)" and what are they designed to do:


A great deal of history of the human race, littered as it is with suffering and pain and war and hunger, was produced by competing psyops.

Each side was utterly convinced that its ideals were superior. What neither side realized was that everybody, on all sides, was accepting a psyop substitute of their own personal reality. That was the big switch.

Each person on each side had bought into a hooking idea that looked so good and so right and so wonderful.

And each person was operating on a false basis. Each person had, without noticing it, misplaced his own personal reality.

You could accurately write, on many gravestones: “I died for a psyop.”That's the larger scale kind via religions, philosophies and ideologies as their tools. However, that same pattern remains valid whatever scale one considers; from individuals, families, communities, etc...


How a psyop is designed to work:


In the Matrix, there is pressure to have people connect their realities to each other. Why? Because groups can thus be created. Groups are easier to compromise than individuals.

We get the concept of hooked ideas. A hooked idea is one which will entice people to merge their realities into One. The hooked idea can be expressed as a slogan, a so-called meme, a principle. It is introduced by people who work psyops.

A psyop is a campaign to herd people into a place where their individual realities overlap.

For the propagandist, there is the eternal search for the good, better, and best hooking idea, the one that will collect the greatest possible number of people under one roof.

This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

Therefore, the actual content and substance and meaning of the hooking idea is irrelevant. A retired propaganda operative once told me, “If I could broadcast a piece of absolute gibberish from one end of the planet to the other, and have it picked up and consented to, I would do it.”

For a psyop specialist, the jackpot is a large group of hooked ideas that, taken together, change the world, and bring a billion or more people’s realities into one overlapping space.

Here is a current ongoing group of such hooked ideas. Before you read them, remember that the aim of such ideas is collecting people under AN IMITATION OF THE REAL THING.

Whatever meaning these hooked ideas have, they are not searching out people to move them into actual individual choices. No, the objective is to rope them under a fake banner that looks real.

“Help others. Help the needy. Raise up the needy. We’re all in this together. Greatest good. Greatest good for the greatest number. Humanity as one. Peace. Let’s all cooperate. The human family…”

This is only a partial list of the group of hooked ideas.

These ideas are transmitted to the global population through every means possible: ads, public service announcements, political speeches, movies, articles, books, the news, television shows of every type, the education system. It’s a blitz, and it doesn’t stop. All the angles are played.

The psyop calculation runs this way: the majority of people who buy in and connect their realities to other people’s realities and achieve overlap—will go passive and accept “the new humane society.” All these people are complete pawns.

The sector of people who buy in and thus share realities, collectively, and then DO something about it…these people will follow a prescribed path. They’ll join the approved groups and campaign for the chosen causes. They’re dupes.

The very small fraction of people who buy into the group of hooked ideas and think of them as genuine and real, and also DO something genuine and real and good about it, will create a manageable amount of disruption to the scheme and the objective—which by the way is a completely collectivist planet. The operative word here is “manageable.”

This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED (http://marketplace.mybigcommerce.com/the-matrix-revealed-vol-1-cd-by-jon-rappoport-mega-info/)), explained this “psyop calculation”: “The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…”From the above, let's take the "authentic faith" as the "Truth" of the actual, factual reality of data and the "fake god" as the end result of making someone see -- or believe in the existence of -- something that isn't there, i.e. individual or mass hypnosis/mind control. Consider the "psyop"/propaganda/advertisement campaign battles for a share of the market for competing products like Pepsi and Coca Cola as an example of this.


Now, for the picking apart in terms of psyop:


Will my first "spidey sense tingling" turn out to be correct, or will this be yet one more event with more questions than answers. Here comes the first piece of a psyop, witting or unwitting -- that is, promoter or victim of said psyop--, with respect to the thread's title: questions were answered with substantiated evidence:


a real bomb that blasted double-paneled windows either on its blast pressure wave or on its vacuum generated back-flow wave
real people, not actors. Jeff Bauman being the main focus
real injuries, not applied make-up or prosthetic
real dead bodies
all the above captured within 15 seconds to a few minutes from the bomb blast




I realize that I came into this so highly biased, so highly charged with conviction and emotion (because I don't trust 0.000001% of anything the US government says or that their propaganda wing - the "news" - "reports") that I am looking for lies rather than looking for truth. All to your credit


The other thing that really hit me was that this crime scene (whether faked or real or a blend), From the psyop angle, why take the trouble to insert that addition? Inserting it maintains and/or re-enforce the idea that the "crime scene" "might" still be "faked" or, better, a "blend of real and fake" -- keeping doubts alive -- in spite of, and -- moreover -- dismissing, the answers to questions as provided above.

Furthermore, the "blend" ensures that, no matter how many factual data are uncovered, the endless retort is "Yeah, but this one is faked." There is no known medicine for that one.


these frame-by-frame videos of horrific dismemberment and gore and death are not my genre. If one is unable to take a look at these pictures due to sensitivities, then why comment taking the side of "it's all/partly fake and a movie-set?" Or is it the sensitivity self-preservation kicking in?

From a psyop point of view, that comment also implies the subliminal corollary: what is the "genre" of the people who would pore over these gory pictures to find evidence? Typical MSM psyop innuendo.

The terrible implication of "not looking," for whatever reason, leaves one at the mercy of the psyop steering: the "it's all faked" psyop in this case.



I don't really have the stomach for it. I'm not desensitized to it. I am affected by it. I have never played violent games, I don't hunt, I have never been in a war or in a warzone, I am not an OR tech or nurse or doc... in short, this is caustic and toxic to my emotional well-being.
All to your credit for being sensitive.

However, when one cares to look at the above statement in psyop terms of "divide," the subliminal end result is similar to that which fuels debates such as "vegetarians vs. omnivores" in leaving hanging the corollary question of "how poisoned the individuals able to look at these pictures must be?"... rather than "one must have some guts to look at the truth for evidence." You know... "You can't handle the truth" famous quote.


I would sacrifice that if I felt that my contribution was worth it, but I don't feel I have contributed anything of significance.... unless, from the psyop point of view and however unwittingly stated, it's a last attempt and contribution at fueling the "it might still be partly faked" psyop.



So, I'm bowing out of this discussion (but might occasionally peek through the keyhole to see if anyone comes up with anything definitive.) The psyop viewpoint sees this as dismissive of the definitive answers already provided (in accordance with the thread's title).


I would offer a parting observation: the chatter about 9/11 has just been turned up several notches, ... in psyop terms: Right! Now that doubts about anything real in and around the bomb scene have been refueled, let's derail this thread some more... and re-channel the energies by hooking them to something else. In view of most of the posts that followed, that was successful!


with numerous shills on Farcebook using the "gullible truthers" meme, blending Boston with 9/11. This was repeated and amplified by a dumbfoundingly jaw dropping presentation on mainstream television (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4w8f1HrYqI) watched by millions of people... Again, in terms of psyop and beside the MSM linking of the alleged suspects with 9-11 Truthers websites, wasn't that the whole purpose and intent of the "It's all faked and a movie-set staged event" psyop which took off and went viral?

Quite successful too, to the point that individuals like Ken Adachi of educateyourself, Henry Makow and Stan Deyo are promoting it! I was quite astonished to find that these guys got their customary discernment and critical thinking totally bypassed on that portion of the event.

No need for shills or spooks to be PA members: anyone, at some time or another (I am not excluded), setting aside any application of their discernment and critical thinking skills -- or even taking stocks of comments under videos or articles -- for speed-posting's sake; will bring in these shills'/spooks' psyop masterpieces in for discussion and most often with a "Hey guys! I just found this:... I let you be the judge..."

This pattern and scenario keeps being repeated again and again, over and over, endlessly whether it be with Nibiru, Elenin or whatever is the flavor of the day; where actual, factual, verifiable data and their direct implications are dismissed in favor of whatever theory has the loudest voice. That's directly indicative that a psyop is afoot.



Be very careful not to fuel the fire of this new meme (blending Boston Marathon conspiracy speculation with 9/11, and painting all with the same "crazy truthers" and "conspiracy nuts" brush), while you proceed diligently with research. I fear there are some deliberately planted "false false flags" that are bait to discredit researchers. Submit data points one-at-a-time, as you observe them, but be careful about making huge declarations and conclusions (until and unless you are truly ready.)For some reasons, I wish you'd apply that admonition to that other "it's all fake" meme to the first portion of your post. But, of course, that implies letting the actual data sink in and hitting one like a sledge hammer as with the cars' engines burning from jet fuel but leaving sheets of paper unsinged...

The sledge hammer in Boston? Real bombs exploding with their accompanying gory casualties.

Here is another reason for an inability to take actual data into account:


The "Demoralization" Step
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Exposure to true information does not matter anymore: A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information.

The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with informations [which are] authentic, true, with documents, with pictures [...] he will refuse to believe it.

That's the tragedy of the demoralization [step].



The other unanswered questions as well as the usual, customary government's psyops? Well, what about their own threads?

As for myself, I am done with this thread.

All the data necessary to make sense of the apparent inconsistencies have already been posted and the only thing I can now do is encourage anyone to read the content of the thread and understand what's there.

Although I am not always successful at it, I'll keep striving to do my best with sticking to PA's mottos:



Quality over quantity with the aim of increasing the signal to noise ratio

[778 neighbour of some guy]

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That guy should be pumping out blood like Old Faithfull pumps up water and yet not a single drop on the street, they must have put a tourniquet around his aorta, o wait.......... thats impossible, he would be DEAD then.

Two weeks ago i bandaged up an old drunk fart ( put his fist through a window in a stupid drunk retard burglary attempt) it took him 30 seconds to bleed through the whole damn office and he turned white as a sheet real fast from bloodloss and we spend an hour mopping up after the cops came to pick him up.

When you get shredded like in the above pictures, you are a geiser.

The chap on the right of him has a main artery in his thumb and finger the victim is applying pressure on his femoral artery- Like cabbage tear wounds bleed less than cut wounds. My prayers are with him.

Sorry, it would still be a huge bleeding mess, these things are just not that easy, 100 meters run and not a drop spilled, not buying it, renting it, leasing it or believing it, there is another image of this guy and some other people somewhere down the thread, all laying on the ground, relaxed faces like waiting for the picnic basket, smiling lady in the background, all going as planned, good job guys. Look it up.
I am out of here btw, no good can come of this thread, IMO we are looking at the wrong hand while Cornholio the Great pulls of another crappy trick.

Bye now

[InCiDeR]

Excellent post (#738 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=667817&viewfull=1#post667817)) Amzer Zo! Thank you!

Also a good post from a psyop viewpoint... ;)


...All the data necessary to make sense of the apparent inconsistencies have already been posted...

Couldn't agree more.

[sheme]

I think the bombing took place, who was responsible is debatable, I think the ptb and FBI turned a blind eye were /or coerced the perpetrators, they are guilty by omission or collaboration. Another pathetic sorry mess.

[Dennis Leahy]

This is just a post about emotions, not logic or painstaking research...

I don't feel I have added much to this thread other than conjecture and gut feeling.
Thank you Dennis and congratulations for your inner work in reaching an increased level of honesty.

I apologize in advance for taking your post as a generic case of too many instances of similars by looking at it from the point of view of "psyops" and not as a personal criticism since I, too, fall for these short cuts.

First what are "psyops (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209)" and what are they designed to do:

...

Hi Amzer Zo,

I think you may be giving me credit where credit is not due and misinterpreting some of my words (or I failed to properly state my thoughts and feelings.)

It appears that you think I have said something like, "well, I can't prove it is not fake so it must be real." Or, that I accept the explanations/rationalizations made by several people (notably yourself) simply because I did not challenge them as conclusive.

I don't want to go over your very long post point-by-point, but a few things I'll mention:

here, you have already launched into me being an unwitting accomplice to a psyop - but your version of the psyop is a completely real bomb scene that truthers got sucked-into picking apart as if it was fake.


"questions were answered with substantiated evidence:


a real bomb that blasted double-paneled windows either on its blast pressure wave or on its vacuum generated back-flow wave
real people, not actors. Jeff Bauman being the main focus
real injuries, not applied make-up or prosthetic
real dead bodies
all the above captured within 15 seconds to a few minutes from the bomb blast

"The window WAS exploded. You say the shards were vacuumed outwards from a pressure wave secondary to (and opposite) the blast trajectory. I'm no explosives expert (other than playing with big firecrackers as a kid) and I'm not aware if there is or is not a vacuum caused after an explosion like this. In fact, even if that is true, shards would have flown into the window first, taking shards in.
Bauman is not Voght, (just to state that), but his lack of gushing blood, his overall skin tone, and his countenance was my leading suspicion that made me investigate further. To my eyes, in every photo, and in every frame of video, we see blood but not bleeding. I do not see active bleeding. It defies explanation - even though I'm told that blood vessels naturally get sealed off by muscle contraction... that has not ever happened to me or anyone I have seen in person bleeding.

There is a mighty explosion. A fireball appears to be right in the center of the crowd. People die and legs get blown off but not one person gets their hair burned off. Hair burns amazingly easily, and I can simply not imagine how a fireball ripped through the crowd and we did not see a dozen people with their hair on fire or badly singed from the fireball. I mentioned this quite a while ago, and no one posited a believable explanation.


"If one is unable to take a look at these pictures due to sensitivities, then why comment taking the side of "it's all/partly fake and a movie-set?" Or is it the sensitivity self-preservation kicking in?

From a psyop point of view, that comment also implies the subliminal corollary: what is the "genre" of the people who would pore over these gory pictures to find evidence? Typical MSM psyop innuendo.""Genre" was a poorly chosen word on my part - probably should have said "milieu." Some people faint when they get their blood drawn. Others, somehow, can put their head into an entirely objective mode while looking at gruesome subjective crime scene material. I fall somewhere between the extremes, but found that the more I stared the more it made me feel queasy. And yes, I could say the same watching some gory movie (which I avoid) where I would hit a threshold of gore that was just too much - no matter that I knew it was stage makeup.

I don't think anyone has come up with definitive answers. Having looked at what other researchers "see" in video clips, I do not see the same things they do. I do not see definitive proof of prosthetic horror-show blown-up limbs being attached, for example. So, I am not comfortable concluding that this has been solved.

However:
There is a scene full of blood but no bleeders - a scene that looks like an explosion of slightly gelatinous blood packets, a window exploded outwards though the bomb's shock wave and especially shrapnel should have taken the window inward, I see an immense orange-hot fireball that miraculously misses everyone's hair, I see cops encircling the blast area, keeping people out, and only one cop within the zone of wounded, trying to give trauma aid. I am made aware of crisis training actors with missing limbs who could possibly have staged a scene like this. I see what I believe is an obvious misdirection psyop of the exploded black backpack, all the security guys with black backpacks, and the suspects with a white and a gray backpack. Later, I find out that these brothers were Islamic jihadists, with an interesting Russian twist. Throw-in that fact that the FBI (notorious for aiding or creating would-be bombers over the past decade) denies then admits they have been in contact with one of the suspects.

Nope. I do not believe the official conspiracy theory. I simply could not prove the crime scene is false (and hold onto my reasoning as hope that it did not happen as the MSM portrays - loss of life and limb.) Nor have I seen anyone else prove the crime scene is false.

Not being able to prove it is a faked scene does not guarantee that it was a real scene. I tried. I spent some time trying to figure out if my gut sense on this (starting from the no-drip wheelchair ride) was correct, and it ended up inconclusive - and the explanations for the oddities in the scene do not pass muster for me. I hope I'm right, because if not, this was horrific and deadly. I know that the US government either planned and executed it, or at the very least will not let a good crisis go to waste. As each (very real) drone bomb in the phony 'war on terror' killing villagers attests, we are dealing with psychopaths capable of literally anything. Swallowing the US government's narrative of what happened in Boston involves a leap of faith I don't have.

If your gut is right on this, and it is a completely real scene of death and destruction, and the US government orchestrated injecting the Voght meme and then leaked the amputee crisis actors meme, and so on, then they really need to take a bow. If they run psyops at this level, few among us are immune. It would also mean they just got incredibly lucky with Bauman being one of the toughest people on the planet.

Dennis

[Slorri]

...

Sorry, it would still be a huge bleeding mess, these things are just not that easy, 100 meters run and not a drop spilled, not buying it, renting it, leasing it or believing it, there is another image of this guy and some other people somewhere down the thread, all laying on the ground, relaxed faces like waiting for the picnic basket, smiling lady in the background, all going as planned, good job guys. Look it up.
I am out of here btw, no good can come of this thread, IMO we are looking at the wrong hand while Cornholio the Great pulls of another crappy trick.

Bye now

I agree. This is so.

This event, and those picture are meant to confuse us. And they are confusing. It's a really grand job this. Was the test the successful lock-down of Boston?

Now we should wonder: What is Cornholio up to next?

[witchy1]

The chap on the right of him has a main artery in his thumb and finger the victim is applying pressure on his femoral artery Really sheme - what artery would that be?

I would still like someone / anyone to provide a reasonable explanation as to what the tube is on Jeffs butt

21275

For me its time to bow out gracefully from this thread. I tried
W

[Hervé]

[...]

It isn't so much that he is alive, since:


i remember one time working the box out in the county , this guy got both legs ran over by a train and funny thing is there was no blood just major crushing so i have seen weird thing’s emt-b career FD…..texas
Posted by james temple | April 21, 2013, 9:34 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47345)
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When you cut an artery cleanly then it bleeds out. When arteries are torn the muscles around the artery contracts and the muscles put enough pressure on the arteries to stop them from bleeding out. Although in a while the muscles relax and the artery is free to bleed out. Think of it like an Umbilical cord, We cut them so we need to stop the bleeding, animals on the other hand chew them and that stops them from bleeding out. I hope that helps you understand.
Posted by Dave | April 21, 2013, 12:11 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47406)
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... but that he wasn't carted out as a priority. Unless, with blood circulation in his legs being shut down from the physiological shock, priority was given to the continuous bleeders?

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Can anyone spot the blood drips around this shoe? They are there...




Recap posts # 474 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664863&viewfull=1#post664863) and # 555 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=665398&viewfull=1#post665398)

Hair cuts...


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"Guy # 2"

[sheme]

Probably this one https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=anatomy+of+the+leg+and+foot&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hcN-Ue3AJKXb0QXPr4GoDA&ved=0CEcQsAQ&biw=1004&bih=501#tbm=isch&sa=1&q=arteries+of+the+leg+diagram&oq=arteries+of+the+leg+&gs_l=img.1.0.0l2j0i5j0i24.107630.135334.0.141463.55.51.4.0.0.3.167.3894.49j2.51.0...0.0...1c.1.11.im g.HMmdulXN6fM&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.d2k&fp=b4a63cdda67d25c4&biw=1004&bih=501&imgrc=O5gjKk6aWCwPBM%3A%3BeQPcl50-C-AySM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.yoursurgery.com%252FProcedures%252Flower_bypass%252Fimages%252FLegArte ries.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.yoursurgery.com%252FProcedureDetails.cfm%253FBR%253D5%2526Proc%253 D33%3B250%3B378

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The chap on the right of him has a main artery in his thumb and finger the victim is applying pressure on his femoral artery Really sheme - what artery would that be?

I would still like someone / anyone to provide a reasonable explanation as to what the tube is on Jeffs butt

21275



For me its time to bow out gracefully from this thread. I tried
W

Probably this one

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=anatomy+of+the+leg+and+foot&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hcN-Ue3AJKXb0QXPr4GoDA&ved=0CEcQsAQ&biw=1004&bih=501#tbm=isch&sa=1&q=arteries+of+the+leg+diagram&oq=arteries+of+the+leg+&gs_l=img.1.0.0l2j0i5j0i24.107630.135334.0.141463.55.51.4.0.0.3.167.3894.49j2.51.0...0.0...1c.1.11.im g.HMmdulXN6fM&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.d2k&fp=b4a63cdda67d25c4&biw=1004&bih=501&imgrc=O5gjKk6aWCwPBM%3A%3BeQPcl50-C-AySM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.yoursurgery.com%252FProcedures%252Flower_bypass%252Fimages%252FLegArte ries.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.yoursurgery.com%252FProcedureDetails.cfm%253FBR%253D5%2526Proc%253 D33%3B250%3B378

[InCiDeR]

Woman's DNA found on Boston bomb


Female DNA has been found on at least one of the Boston Marathon bombs, but investigators have not determined whose it is or whether it indicates a woman helped the two brothers blamed for the deadly April 15 blasts, USA TODAY has confirmed.

An official, who asked not to be identified, said there could be multiple explanations, including a store clerk who handled materials that Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his younger brother, Dzhokhar, used to make the bombs, or perhaps genetic material that unwittingly ended up on the explosive devices, perhaps from a marathon bystander.

Earlier Monday, FBI agents went to a Rhode Island home to collect a DNA sample from Katherine Russell Tsarnaeva, the widow of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who died in a shootout with police April 19. She has been staying with her parents since the bombings.

The sample will be compared with the genetic material recovered...

Source (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/29/boston-marathon-bombings-female-dna/2121979/)

[Dennis Leahy]

Amzer Zo, the hi-res photos I downloaded of Jeff in the wheelchair do not look like singed hair, but the close-up one you posted with the guy in the blue sweatshirt (with facial blood) in the wheelchair does look exactly like fire-singed hair.

Any further psychoanalysis of why I still am left with doubts despite what you believe are complete answers will have to be done in absentia. I'm out.

Dennis

[Slorri]

AUGUMENTED REALITY

Boston Bombings Hoodie Sunglass Guy - JOHN KERRY Connection

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[william6565william]

Must see reveals all!

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/