Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

[Hervé]

Amzer Zo, the hi-res photos I downloaded of Jeff in the wheelchair do not look like singed hair...

[...]

Dennis



Pre-bombing:


http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jeff-bauman.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7932/jeffbaumannhuvud2.jpg




Bombing:


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8246/rullstolhuvud.jpg





Post bombing:


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1326120.1366819212%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/birthday25n-1-web.jpg
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/marathon-bombing-survivor-birthday-gift-fellow-victim-article-1.1326121

[donk]

The red pentagram is undeniable proof of some sort of satanism going on here.

Seriously, I haven't read any of the last couple dozen pages or so, has anyone asked this

Does there really need to be so much mystery around this? In this day and age with our current technology and the general nosiness of the American populace, is it that difficult to produce a list of everyone that was actually there, whether of not they had any eye witness account of what happened, and thousands more pics that probably exist?

I have been saying this since 911: how can we have so public of a "mystery" in this day and age? Didn't we learn anything from JFK?

...oh yeah, we did: that the general populace will eat up anything the "authorities" say on teevee. That if a crime is big enough and public enough we don't a clean and closed investigation...half ass nonsense will not only do, but will be aggressively defended.

We get so caught up in all these silly details, we forget to ask: shouldn't at least someone be getting fired for not being able to provide anything but confusion on these details? Is it really ok that anything this high profile is "debatable" these days?

[RMorgan]

From inforwars:


Video footage from the scene of the shootout with the alleged Boston bombers appears to contain audio of the suspects screaming out, “We didn’t do it!” as police fire on the two brothers.

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Although by no means clear, the words below appear to be shouted by the suspects as they come under police gunfire.
- 24 seconds: “chill out”
- 26 seconds: “chill out”, “chill out”
- 31 seconds: “chill out”
- 37 seconds: “we didnt do it”
- 41 seconds: “we didnt do it”
- 45 seconds: “we didnt do it”
- 1 minute 9 seconds: “hey officer”

As a side note, listening the the gunshots, it seems that they all belong to the same caliber, or the same gun model. It doesn´t sound like the brothers and the police were shooting each other.

[Slorri]

Is the last line in the video: "State police want to shoot them" ?

[ThePythonicCow]

Must see reveals all!

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/

I merged your new thread in with the thread where this has been and continues to be discussed at some length.

[Slorri]

"It is fun to be fooled"

Marco Tempest: A magical tale (with augmented reality)
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Boston Bombings Augmented Reality & How They Fool Us
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[Maia Gabrial]

I just finished David Wilcock's latest blog and I wanted to laugh. He called this WORSE than 911. So NOT TRUE! What I saw was so staged. People are starting to point out all that's wrong with this supposed "bombing". Geez! And even I noticed that the "runners" didn't respond as if this explosion were real. And no one looked in convincing pain to me either! What I want to know is WHY the medias are portraying this DISASTER DRILL as the real thing...? :tsk:

None of these "actors" have convinced me. Look at the woman who lost part of her left leg. Does that look like someone who JUST lost her leg? NOT in this lifetime! The medias, actors and directors of this DRILL should hang their heads in shame for playing this scam on people...
Just my rant for the day.....

[778 neighbour of some guy]

What I want to know is WHY the medias are portraying this DISASTER DRILL as the real thing...?

Participating in a stress test drill, for the cause of their paymasters.

None of the actors stepping up is even weirder. I am guessing a free lunch is not all they get out of it, not many participated, must have been cheaper than a blockbuster too, go figure.

[InCiDeR]

Oki, if we ponder about the idea that everything was staged. There had to be A LOT of people involved. EMT people, bystanders, people working at the hospital, ambulance, police, FBI, CSTs, politicians, actors, family members to actors, relatives and even neighbours etc etc.

I mean, not a single neighbour to the actors have said...."Hey! This guy were amputee before the bombings! What's going on?".

Many people on the pay list, and many people to make sure they don't talk...

On the other hand... have you seen any of the victims to be sad or angry afterwards?
I would be at least a bit upset and sad if I recently lost two legs, probably it would take me some time to overcome that feeling.
.

Everything regarding this bombings seems to be odd in one way or another. But probably it is staged to be confusing...

[Hervé]

[...]

Any further psychoanalysis of why I still am left with doubts despite what you believe are complete answers will have to be done in absentia. I'm out.

Dennis

I do not work from "belief" nor from gut feelings, Dennis, I work on objective data and their direct implication(s).

For example, this lady who was located at the back of "Guy # 2":


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3914/yellowsuit.jpg

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1plMVNs9TtibJ5ZzhFn6JqigeaGFqOiRX2zXNhKwczCfdCS-GWgkW02yvrpGYSjSqO2IgbLnsvdD3FyuCpin558Ma_lr4mEogY/Bauman-04a.jpg?psid=1

She exhibits a post-bombing strange hairdo on her left side beside her slashed left hand and legs; she is also wearing some kind of winter jacket which left sleeve is badly missing a good portion of its (synthetic?) fabric covering... One wonders what would do that to such a jacket... beside some kind of acid or strong heat... let's see... she was standing next to a bomb blast... so... rather than acid... could it possibly be a heat-shrink melt of that fabric?


http://yjcphotos.ir/photos/Images/large/File_5682_101878.jpg




As for blood tracks, they are easier to spot on smooth surfaces than on "hematophillic," dirt cover, road pavements:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pGAQpTYUPh0LcRjdKhjY2E9aaDWHyTwqp9mp1xLfQbfyA9rzy7UcUT6q_JGTI4IU_GhXHnVc7TtoUrvsIzBd0VVC8HGEaVI1k/Boston%20%231-123.jpg?psid=1




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[Hervé]

[...]
On the other hand... have you seen any of the victims to be sad or angry afterwards?
I would be at least a bit upset and sad if I recently lost two legs, probably it would take me some time to overcome that feeling.

[...]

Most probably because, in North America, "camera" and "cheese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_cheese)" are automatically connected.

[Slorri]

THE BEST TRUTH VIDEO ON THE INTERNET WITH ALL THE LIES
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[InCiDeR]

[...]
On the other hand... have you seen any of the victims to be sad or angry afterwards?
I would be at least a bit upset and sad if I recently lost two legs, probably it would take me some time to overcome that feeling.

[...]

Most probably because, in North America, "camera" and "cheese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_cheese)" are automatically connected.

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well, but was a bit unsure how strong that knee-jerk reaction is in USA.
There are so many things in this puzzle that I'm trying to fit together, at the same time keep my reality check in balance and not let my previous beliefs and imaginations rule over me. ;)

[Hervé]

[...]

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well, but was a bit unsure how strong that knee-jerk reaction is in USA.
There are so many things in this puzzle that I'm trying to fit together, at the same time keep my reality check in balance and not let my previous beliefs and imaginations rule over me. ;)

The other side of "health" care in North America is that these victims are also being stuffed with painkillers and mind-altering drugs/anti-depressants, etc...

[turiya]

I think the bombing took place, who was responsible is debatable, I think the ptb and FBI turned a blind eye were /or coerced the perpetrators, they are guilty by omission or collaboration. Another pathetic sorry mess.

Sibel Edmonds Infowars Interview 29-April 2013:
CIA Fingerprints Are All Over This

VIDEO INTERVIEW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fM2cE_e9G4c#t=59m14s) - (a whole lot of information with this.)





http://www.infowars.com/images/edmonds.jpg

BFP BREAKING NEWS: Boston Terror,
CIA’s Graham Fuller & NATO-CIA Operation Gladio B-Caucasus & Central Asia






http://www.madcowprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/fuller2.jpg
Graham Fuller: Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege, FBI Gladio-B Target, Handler-Sponsor of Turkey’s Imam Gulen

A major break in the Boston Terror CIA Connection took place last night when I came across a post (http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/26/boston-bombers-uncle-married-daughter-of-top-cia-official/) outing CIA Operative Graham Fuller as the father of the woman married to Boston terror suspect’s infamous uncle Ruslan Tsarni. Further confirmation of this bombshell was received via mainstream reporter Laura Rozen here (http://backchannel.al-monitor.com/index.php/2013/04/5090/former-cia-officer-absurd-to-link-uncle-of-boston-suspects-agency-over-daughters-brief-marriage/). Let me first provide a few excerpts from the original reporting site (http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/26/boston-bombers-uncle-married-daughter-of-top-cia-official/) (a real alternative media):





http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/uncruslines.jpg


Boston Bombers’ Uncle Married Daughter of Top CIA Official (http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/26/boston-bombers-uncle-married-daughter-of-top-cia-official/)

The uncle of the two suspected Boston bombers in last week’s attack, Ruslan Tsarni, was married to the daughter of former top CIA official Graham Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Fuller) . Ruslan Tsarni married the daughter of former top CIA official Graham Fuller (http://www.madcowprod.com/?attachment_id=3832) who spent 20 years as operations officer in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Hong Kong. In 1982 Fuller was appointed the National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia at the CIA, and in 1986, under Ronald Reagan, he became the Vice-Chairman of the National Intelligence Council, with overall responsibility for national level strategic forecasting.


Now, take a look at the most explosive aspect of this original report on Graham Fuller’s outing in the CIA Boston Terror Connection [All Emphasis Mine]:


On a more ominous note, Graham Fuller was listed as one of the American Deep State rogues on Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets (http://www.justacitizen.org/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm) Privilege Gallery. Edmonds explained it featured subjects of FBI investigations she became aware of during her time as an FBI translator.

Criminal activities were being protected by claims of State Secrets, she asserted. After Attorney General John Ashcroft went all the way to the Supreme Court to muzzle her under a little-used doctrine of State Secrets, she put up twenty-one photos, with no names. One of them was Graham Fuller (http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-names-names-in-pictures.html).

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READ MORE (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/04/27/bfp-breaking-news-boston-terror-cias-graham-fuller-nato-cia-operation-gladio-b-caucasus-central-asia/)
Boiling Frogs Website (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/)


turiya :cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

I'll wager a pretty penny that some of this was staged and that some was real, but that the more interesting lies are a layer or two deeper, such as who did it, who knowingly facilitated it, who unwittingly facilitated it, who is benefiting, who is participating (knowingly or unwittingly) in the cover-up, and how this will be used in the larger scheme of things.

I'll also wager that there is some jerk with a nasty sense of humor who knew ahead of time how much we in the alternative media would debate whether "was it live or was it Memorex", and who was laughing in anticipation, knowing that the actual event was going to be a mix of both.

A key motive for me in this, as with 9/11, has been to find clear evidence that shows the official story (ahem ... stories) to be bogus. It was just such evidence that finally got my awareness, years after the actual 9/11 event, and perhaps I can contribute to someone else's "getting a clue" in a similar way.

For that purpose, it matters less that these bombs and injuries were fake or real or some combination. What matters is Toto the dog lifting the curtain and showing the pathetic little man behind it ... whatever it takes that might result in yet another person whistling quietly to themselves and muttering "Holy crap ... this is not what they said it was!"

[Hervé]

Sorry, more gory stuff... that's a lot of people carrying prosthetics in their backpacks beside bombs (sarcasm):


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1paR3B5OP_0ByA4C11fwP6sB6FxFtMSM2AYF4Ghz_glFw76-u6VXQ6HBd0zcR_M7Ib1ENo63wNytQ9nlozjuA0S5HOxgefEjF8/Boston%20Sequence-11a.jpg?psid=1
The above picture from hahatango, shows Carlos dismantling the fence as well as the marathon finish line clock time: 4:10:26; the EXIF for that picture gives its time of capture at 02:50:39 which yields 42 + 1 seconds after initial blast flash for the scene pictured below.

4:10:26 is also the time at which the gurney crew, which is gonna take the black lady on it (see post # 745 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=668205&viewfull=1#post668205)), is arriving at the scene (check the position of the finish line as reference): http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston_explosion.jpg?w=620 .
That's less than 2 1/2 minutes to get her going.






https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pHJV7-MBdwhN47qNyKokqu7UFc5IxbliajLgg5gvoPYvxF046OmXHwgUMv9jwbniXKLnQue5kmttok4VreXm-MgmPow5kynV5/Boston%20%231-043a.jpg?psid=1



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What's the point?

The whole point is to substantiate that the "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" article and its offshoots is a PSYOP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209) (<---), whether generated by government agencies or an individual LOLing all the way to the bank, designed to lead one to see and look for something that isn't there (check my signature).



Now, I am done.

[ThePythonicCow]

What's the point?

The whole point is to substantiate that the "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" article and its offshoots is a PSYOP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209) (<---), whether generated by government agencies or an individual LOLing all the way to the bank, designed to lead one to see and look for something that isn't there (check my signature).

To both those (whomever they might be) who would suggest to us that all the immediate effects of the bombing (the wreckage, injuries, blood, ...) are faked psyops, and to those (whomever they might be) who would suggest that all these effects are real damage caused by real explosives ... let us not get overly distracted by a "It's White ... No It's Black" debate, and risk paying too little attention to the "man behind the curtain", who he is (they are), and what he/they are up to.

Indeed, may I go a step further, and suggest (as just another member, not as a moderator) that even if none of us is actually taking such a "It's Black or White" position (rather just rebutting what seems to be such a position from another) that we not make it too easy for our readers to fall into such a Black and White controversy, even if we personally know better.

[turiya]

What's the point?

The whole point is to substantiate that the "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" article and its offshoots is a PSYOP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209) (<---), whether generated by government agencies or an individual LOLing all the way to the bank, designed to lead one to see and look for something that isn't there (check my signature).

To both those (whomever they might be) who would suggest to us that all the immediate effects of the bombing (the wreckage, injuries, blood, ...) are faked psyops, and to those (whomever they might be) who would suggest that all these effects are real damage caused by real explosives ... let us not get overly distracted by a "It's White ... No It's Black" debate, and risk paying too little attention to the "man behind the curtain", who he is (they are), and what he/they are up to.

Indeed, may I go a step further, and suggest (as just another member, not as a moderator) that even if none of us is actually taking such a "It's Black or White" position (rather just rebutting what seems to be such a position from another) that we not make it too easy for our readers to fall into such a Black and White controversy, even if we personally know better.

Agreed.
I am certainly saddened by those that have been killed, maimed & injured as a result of this event.
But it is still very important to take a few steps back and take a broader view. This was a planned event.
The FBI certainly has a track record of staging such events in the past (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=663622&highlight=#post663622), using assets & informants as both provocateurs & as patsies (pointed out here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664442#post664442)), and then claiming to come in to "save-the-day" at the last minute (which is not entirely true when you look deeper into the first World Trade Center bombing (1993(?)), the motivation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=662633&highlight=#post662633) is to simply justify why they are needed & why there is a need for a bigger budget, to continue their so-called "good deed(s)" - of keeping America safe. Some are quite aware of this. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=662099&viewfull=1#post662099) And now, especially with the recent information brought out by Sibel Edmonds (posted above), as with the Brandon Turbeville article (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/chechen-terrorist-networks-trace-back.html) & the Kurt Nimmo article (http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombers-role-of-cia-in-chechen-terror/), it takes us down the rabbit hole even further, with the implication that the CIA may very well be truly the real skunks behind that 'OZ' curtain. Personally, I suspect that rabbit hole goes quite a bit deeper, still...

It certainly smells like an "Operation Gladio" in my book:

OPERATION GLADIO:

“You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force . . . the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.” -- Vincenzo Vinciguerra, (born 1949) an Italian neo-fascist activist, a former member of the Avanguardia Nazionale ("National Vanguard") and Ordine Nuovo ("New Order"). He is currently serving a life-sentence for the murder of three policemen by a car bomb in Peteano in 1972.
SOURCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Vinciguerra)

Related Article:
Swordplay & Operation Gladio (http://rense.com/general63/sword.htm) by Chris Floyd Moscow Times

turiya :cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

It certainly smells like an "Operation Gladio" in my book
Yeah ...

The Youtube playlist Sibel Edmonds on Gladio B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AARtO88G5Ag&list=PLTgEi1gmrRLs_p7VXEE-kM3OdefmRfatR) has a several part series by James Corbett (of The CorbettReport.com (http://www.corbettreport.com/)) discussing Gladio, past and present, with Sibel Edmonds (of BoilingFrogsPost.com (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/)):

[ThePythonicCow]

The Youtube playlist Sibel Edmonds on Gladio B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AARtO88G5Ag&list=PLTgEi1gmrRLs_p7VXEE-kM3OdefmRfatR) has a several part series by James Corbett (of The CorbettReport.com (http://www.corbettreport.com/)) discussing Gladio, past and present, with Sibel Edmonds (of BoilingFrogsPost.com (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/)):
More ways to access this same series:

Sibel Edmonds (The Corbett Report) (http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-626-sibel-edmonds-explains-whos-at-the-top-of-the-pyramid/)
Corbett Video Report Gladio Series (BoilingFrogsPost) (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/03/15/corbett-video-report-gladio-series-whos-at-the-top-of-the-pyramid/)

Or, for those of us who prefer to read rather than listen, Robert Paulsen of the American Judas (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/) blog has written up detailed reports of this entire series between Corbett and Edmonds:

Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part One (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Two (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_13.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Three (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_21.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Four (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_28.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Five (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/04/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Six (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/04/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_12.html)

[turiya]

The Youtube playlist Sibel Edmonds on Gladio B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AARtO88G5Ag&list=PLTgEi1gmrRLs_p7VXEE-kM3OdefmRfatR) has a several part series by James Corbett (of The CorbettReport.com (http://www.corbettreport.com/)) discussing Gladio, past and present, with Sibel Edmonds (of BoilingFrogsPost.com (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/)):
More ways to access this same series:

Sibel Edmonds (The Corbett Report) (http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-626-sibel-edmonds-explains-whos-at-the-top-of-the-pyramid/)
Corbett Video Report Gladio Series (BoilingFrogsPost) (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/03/15/corbett-video-report-gladio-series-whos-at-the-top-of-the-pyramid/)

Or, for those of us who prefer to read rather than listen, Robert Paulsen of the American Judas (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/) blog has written up detailed reports of this entire series between Corbett and Edmonds:

Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part One (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Two (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_13.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Three (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_21.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Four (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_28.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Five (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/04/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Six (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/04/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_12.html)


Yes, an excellent series, this series of videos contains a ton of information. They all need to be watched several times over for all the information to be properly absorbed & digested. Thanks for laying this out in a one-post location.

turiya

[ThePythonicCow]

Sibel Edmonds Infowars Interview 29-April 2013:
CIA Fingerprints Are All Over This
Another one of the sources I trust more than most has weighed in with similar conclusions and related evidence.

In the post MYSTERY OF BOSTON MARATHON BOMBER GROWS (http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/05/mystery-of-boston-marathon-bomber-grows/) on his blog today, Joseph P. Farrell writes in part:

It has emerged that “a foreign nation,” most likely Russia’s FSB, warned the FBI about the alleged suspects.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev (the older and now deceased brother) Was Recruited By Brzezinski’s Jamestown Foundation
We’re left with the disquieting possibility that this whole sad episode is a first step in the bringing of the color revolutions to America

More at the above link ...

It sure looks to me like it could be a CIA sponsored Gladio style operation :).

[ThePythonicCow]

Indeed, may I go a step further, and suggest (as just another member, not as a moderator) that even if none of us is actually taking such a "It's Black or White" position (rather just rebutting what seems to be such a position from another) that we not make it too easy for our readers to fall into such a Black and White controversy, even if we personally know better.
Sibel Edmonds, at the end of the second part of her extended interview with James Corbett (linked above), has similar thoughts regarding 9/11:




Edmonds concludes Part Two by saying the worst, self-destructive element of the 9/11 Truth movement is this divisiveness over LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) vs. MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose). She doesn't know how much is caused by planted elements or just naturally misguided viewpoints. But we must stop the semantics. You've got to get rid of the old conditioning, the black hat/white hat mentality, and do your own research!
The above is found at Robert Paulsen's Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Two (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_13.html)

[ThePythonicCow]

And in another story, that I sense is deeply related, notice how the American (US) homeland is being militarized: Obama’s SS is Here NOW (JohnGaltFLA.com) (http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2013/05/01/obamas-ss-is-here-now/). There is little that is news to me in this article, but it does provide a nice assembly of the extent to which the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) is being armed to the teeth, and we Americans and this DHS are being prepared for jack booted tyranny.

[bennycog]

I'm pretty sure if they knew something was going to happen!
The way of terrorist activity, (of course started home grown, though gained support by people looking in the wrong area for justice done by the western world) natural/manmade disaster and so forth.
Then they would find a way to make it more feasible for them to help out their future agenda.

An example would be knowing some boys were going to go "frack America" and let off a little bomb.
How do they know? It could be a number of things from looking glass to perpetrating it.

They then could asses the area, check for suitable placement of a mix of payed actors/henchmen to the real people getting hurt.

Setup a drill or an add in a paper or anything for the alternative media to get their attention.

Wait for the response to see how many people are awake.

Wait to see if people are going to take action.

If they take action then they already have themselves equipped for marshal law, so they move on in their agenda.

If they do not take action then they move onto the next false flag until we react exactly how they want us to react.

It is blatantly obvious that these false flags are getting more frequent. I think it is because people are awakening and that helps them. If people get to a certain point of awakening and the mind controlled masses are still the bigger percentage then they can use our reactions to such things to bring it all on. No one is going to try stop them if they are still asleep.
Yet they cannot implement anything until we do something.

I am not saying do not fight but we sure have to be smarter than they are.

Rallying can help, but the people of the world need to be able to be right behind someone that is not a puppet or is bought out or sells us out. This person has to be respected and adored but not worshipped. This person must actually listen to the people and leave their ego long behind them. This person or persons also need to be in front of the biggest campaign in human history....

Got any takers :)

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of related items.........


Police arrest three more Boston suspects, Tsarnaev's friends

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Published on 1 May 2013


Three new suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing case have
been taken into custody, the city's police department announced
Wednesday morning. 19-year-old students Azamat Tazhayakov,
Dias Kadyrbayev, both from Kazakhstan, and US Robel Phillipos

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Published on 1 May 2013


Three new suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing case have
been taken into custody, the city's police department announced
Wednesday. Nineteen-year-old University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth
college students Azamat Tazhayakov, Dias Kadyrbayev and Robel Phillipos
have been accused of interfering with a federal probe into the April 15, 2013
terrorist attack at the Boston Marathon. RT's Marina Portnaya has more.

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Big Bro Broken: Lavish surveillance shattered by Boston bombings

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Published on 2 May 2013


Many US government officials are calling for tougher national security measures, in
the wake of the deadly Boston bombings. But more than a decade of multi-billion-
dollar surveillance, at the expense of civil liberties, has failed to prevent terror at
home. Experts say Washington's security strategy has already cost far more than
it's worth.

[ljwheat]

Question, the heart is a pump, blood vesicles the size of a MC Donald’s straw at that pressure, were is the squirting veins in the video’s. and were are the video’s of the second blast down the street?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Sibel Edmonds Infowars Interview 29-April 2013:
CIA Fingerprints Are All Over This
Another one of the sources I trust more than most has weighed in with similar conclusions and related evidence.

In the post MYSTERY OF BOSTON MARATHON BOMBER GROWS (http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/05/mystery-of-boston-marathon-bomber-grows/) on his blog today, Joseph P. Farrell writes in part:

It has emerged that “a foreign nation,” most likely Russia’s FSB, warned the FBI about the alleged suspects.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev (the older and now deceased brother) Was Recruited By Brzezinski’s Jamestown Foundation
We’re left with the disquieting possibility that this whole sad episode is a first step in the bringing of the color revolutions to America

More at the above link ...

It sure looks to me like it could be a CIA sponsored Gladio style operation :).

Paul, you should read her book about 9/11. its amazing.

http://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223

her site:

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/

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Or, for those of us who prefer to read rather than listen, Robert Paulsen of the American Judas (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/) blog has written up detailed reports of this entire series between Corbett and Edmonds:

Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part One (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Two (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_13.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Three (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_21.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Four (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/03/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_28.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Five (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/04/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of.html)
Synopsizing Sibel Edmonds: The Evolution of Operation Gladio Part Six (http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/04/synopsizing-sibel-edmonds-evolution-of_12.html)


I would rather watch. Sibel is so pretty!

[InCiDeR]

Why hasn't FBI showed ANY picture or video they claiming to have of the two brothers placing the bombs?

[Hervé]

Question, the heart is a pump, blood vesicles the size of a MC Donald’s straw at that pressure, were is the squirting veins in the video’s. and were are the video’s of the second blast down the street?

All the data regarding this point have already been posted on this thread:



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but that dude with the legs blown off to me, should not b alive in that wheel chair, and sure as hell shouldn't b coherent and looking like he was.

[...]

Yet some people even come back from the "dead."

It isn't so much that he is alive, since:


i remember one time working the box out in the county , this guy got both legs ran over by a train and funny thing is there was no blood just major crushing so i have seen weird thing’s emt-b career FD…..texas
Posted by james temple | April 21, 2013, 9:34 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47345)
Reply to this comment (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/?replytocom=47345#respond)

When you cut an artery cleanly then it bleeds out. When arteries are torn the muscles around the artery contracts and the muscles put enough pressure on the arteries to stop them from bleeding out. Although in a while the muscles relax and the artery is free to bleed out. Think of it like an Umbilical cord, We cut them so we need to stop the bleeding, animals on the other hand chew them and that stops them from bleeding out. I hope that helps you understand.
Posted by Dave | April 21, 2013, 12:11 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47406)
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WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!!
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

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It does seem seem a bit odd that someone with his legs blown off would not bleed out on the spot much less seem relatively calm.

However, it DOES HAPPEN. I've seen it myself, more than once, in more than one accident.

The following E X T R E M E L Y G R A P H I C!! video is such an example. This Vietnam police officer was literally cut in half by a truck. Did he bleed out?

Hardly.

In fact there isn't as much blood as you'd think there'd be from a body that was sliced in half by a truck.

Nor does the victim seem to be in pain. In fact he's talking to the photographer while playing with his body parts.

I would never ( well, maybe never ) link to such a graphic example but it would seem in this situation it is ( perhaps ) relevant to what's been discussed/argued/debated.

A person can literally be cut in half, not just legs blown off, and not bleed out -- and seem to be relatively nonchalant about it.

Just for the record IMO this Boston incident stinks to high heaven -- perhaps even higher. Whether there are/were actors involved makes no difference to me. The deed is done. There will be many to follow. Some bigger. Some smaller. Some perhaps even legit and not false flags. ( Okay, humor me here )

For those of you that still desire to proceed to the video here's the link...

But first another warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

I lied, that was five more warnings so please don't complain.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=832_1250780068





... with blood circulation in his legs being shut down from the physiological shock, priority was given to the continuous bleeders?

[...]

:bump:

"Muscles have only one trick: When stimulated they contract; that is, they get shorter and thicker. A cut or torn artery or vein has, at its cut end, a whole lot of stimulation of the muscles. They contract, and close off the vessel. Blood pressure in the arteries may be high enough to push past the contraction, so what we do is apply direct pressure to the injury site until clotting can start."

Source: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009929.html


More comments from that same article:


I am a board certified Anesthesiologist who has worked at a Level I trauma center for 24 years. The relative lack of blood is completely compatible with a blast injury. Blast injuries can cause tearing of the vessels which is more likely to cause the vessel to contract and close. Sharp force trauma like penetrating glass shard and knife wounds tend to bleed more. I can’t believe you think being an EMT qualifies you to make such outlandish, ridiculous assertions that are not based in fact. Get a life.
Posted by Imagasser | April 21, 2013, 10:59 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47598)


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Well, as a former EMT and Combat Lifesaver in the US Army, I can say that I don’t appreciate your assertion that “EMTs can do basically nothing”. I can save your life, dude. But that said, I think the author of this article is a LOON. The anesthesiologist is CORRECT: blast trauma can indeed stop bleeding.
Posted by Ray | April 22, 2013, 9:02 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47934)


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I have witnessed such a situation. A motorcyclist crashed in front of me, His leg was severed complete off just below the knee. I actually drove over his leg, with his running shoe intact as it lay on the highway. Not a drop of blood spurted from his leg. It oozed out like lava for a few seconds. I tourniqued up his leg with my t-shirt and belt. There was no spurting blood, no gushers, nothing. He was in shock and NO blood poured out of the completely severed leg. NONE.
Posted by S Hummel | April 24, 2013, 11:34 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48248)


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I’m wondering why all the reds seem brighter (and a strange hue) in the large image which supposedly shows the ‘fake’ blood… I’m a daily user of photoshop, and as such I’d suggest whoever has put this together has tried to prove their point by deliberately making the blood seem off colour (this is very easy to do) – just look at how all the reds including the ones on the other people’s clothing change hue. Also I’d suggest you have a look at other sources of the same photo – they all look a different hue from the one shown here. That is pretty suspect and leads me to question the integrity of whoever put this ‘evidence’ together.
Posted by SonarCorona | April 22, 2013, 4:53 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47874)


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In mass casualties, you often treat the most likely to survive first instead of wasting effort that could be used to save more lives by spending a ton of effort on someone with life-threatening trauma. Also, the heat of the shrapnel could theoretically cauterize as they slice through. Last, I would like to point out that a lot of the first responders were not necessarily trained medical people and could have been in shock due to the extent of his injuries and have been too afraid to help him.
That said, I remain neutral on the entire situation. I do not know the truth. But there is a counter-point to most of the points on here.
Posted by SomeGuyInBoston | April 22, 2013, 5:41 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47886)


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[trauma surgeon answers to his dad's questions]:
no, we have lots of patients post traumatic amputations that survive for much longer periods, blast and explosion traumas do not affect the tissue in the same way a clean cut would. Survival is not just remotely possible but happens regularly.
Venous bleeding post explosions takes some time to appear, the “blood gushing” out of movies is really just in movies. The frame by frame analysis is just dead wrong.
The trauma is real, almost no props can make the tissue “sag” in the post explosion way when he is on the wheelchair. We regularly operate on post explosion legs, the decollement (skin off the subcutaneous tissue) is very real and has a certain visible texture.
sorry dad, but its very plausible that boston was real.
Posted by tommytcgThomasT (http://gravatar.com/tommytcg) | April 22, 2013, 7:25 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47910)


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Arteries are like rubber bands. If they are suddenly severed they often will retract and close within the body with little bleeding. This accounts for the reason so many battle field casualties survive this kind of trauma, and also why so many innocents in places like Cambodia survive land mines, but lose legs.
Posted by Ken | April 23, 2013, 7:53 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48033)


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This is what oxygenated blood looks like, thus the term blood red. As an EMT you should really know this!!
if its GSW or other puncture wound the body will put itself in shock to stop the oxygenated blood leaving the body so it should be darker like a veinal cut. But when your legs turn into mist this is what blast injuries look like. If these are all actors did the hundred or so people stab nails in their bodies at the same time and then go to hospital?
Also if you are an EMT you should notice that if that guys bleeding is under control then the woman with breathing problems takes priority, as she’s clearly been treated around her chest her stretchered away.
With reference to the pictures its obvious they have moved the casualties when dealing with them(or she rolled about), its easier if you look at the first pic to see the 2 distinctive blood patches on the floor, if you are still having difficulty wondering who went where you can see the pavement has two different styles making it easier to see who is where.
Posted by James Peach | April 23, 2013, 7:54 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48034)


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I believe the shots came from Ben Thorndike judging by the angle, he used a burst photo mode – not video.*
Posted by Mike | April 23, 2013, 12:50 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48093)
* Pictures taken in burst mode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burst_mode_%28photography%29) are anywhere between 3 to 24 frames per seconds. At 5fps, the whole scene (20 frames) took 4 seconds... at 20 fps, it took only 1 second. Judging from the other video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes) of the other guy getting up and unable to stand on his feet (from the same pictures (http://www.flickr.com/photos/95222051@N04/8678837882/in/photostream/) as in that article but cropped differently and following the wanderings of the "photographer" wearing a 2-tones green jacket as a reference since he can also be spotted pre-bomb blast on one of those circulated hi-res pictures, bottom left), the whole scene took between 3 and 4 seconds within the bracket of the first 18 seconds following the initial blast flash (checked against hahatango (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/sets/72157633252445135/) EXIFs calibrated on the Marathon Finish Line clocks).

At 18 seconds, the 2-tones-green-jacket "photographer" has already wandered way away from the blast site.

Hence, it's time to turn around the very question heading the article: “Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?” and check it against the very premise of said article: the time constraint against a real blast that blew off double paneled windows, singed bystanders' hair and jackets and "salted" same bystanders' legs, arms, trunks and faces with ball bearings and nails as well as people holding their heads, covering their ears for a good, post blast, minute.

When issues have been confused beyond recognition... and create a divide between "believers" and "thinkers," maybe it's time to let Occam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) do the cutting:


As if you could pay somebody enough to stand within feet of a real bomb going off. If these things really are some sort of false flag, then why get the actors? Why get the fake amputees and the fake blood? Don’t you think it would make a whole lot more sense for the government to just pay one or two guys a ****load of money and just drop the real bombs off and walk away? You wouldn’t f***ing need any of these actors cause the real injuries and death would be good enough. Occam’s Razor people.
Posted by screenwatcher | April 22, 2013, 7:48 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47917)



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Perhaps the purpose was to instill fear instead of killing many. Fear is a potent weapon. Just witness the plethora of freedom robbing laws bestowed upon us by our government to make us feel “safe”. And of course, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men with their DHS provided domestic weaponry and armored cars and automatics couldn’t find one skinny 19yr old nor keep anyone safe. They did a great job of their martial law shut down for ordinary folks though.
Posted by roseandpeony (http://gravatar.com/roseandpeony) | April 22, 2013, 7:51 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47919)




PS: Got the time constraint better pinned down now: The guy who gets up and then falls back down (video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes)) being unable to stand on his feet took 6 seconds to get up and sit back down. He started getting up 5 + 1 seconds (4:09:49 at Marathon finish line clock) after the initial blast flash (4:09:44 at Marathon finish line clock).

[turiya]

Boston Patsy Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s last message on VKontakte (Russian equivalent of Facebook) to his Father :

“This will be the last message before the police get me. I never done it , they set me up. Father please forgive me. I am sorry it has come to this.”

Source (http://powerpointparadise.com/blog/2013/04/boston-patsy-last-message/)




http://powerpointparadise.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/BostonBombersLastmessageonFacebooktohisFatherThiswillbethelastmessagebeforethepolicewillgetme.Inever doneittheysetmeup.Iamsorryithascometothis.jpg



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Tamerlan Tsarnaev Was Radicalized by the CIA
April 24, 2013 by Alexandra Valiente

Tamerlan Tsarnaev Attended CIA-sponsored Workshop
By Kurt Nimmo

Tamerlan Tsarnaev attended a workshop sponsored by the CIA-linked Jamestown Foundation Izvestia (http://izvestia.ru/news/549252) reports today (see English translation here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://izvestia.ru/news/549252&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://izvestia.ru/news/549252%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D892&sa=X&ei=Ggp4UaiIOsPW2AXi3IHYCw&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQ7gEwAA)). The Russian newspaper cites documents produced by the Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia confirming that the NGO “Fund of Caucasus” held workshops in the summer of 2012 and Tsarnaev attended.

In 2012, Tsarnaev spent six months in Dagestan, a region neighboring Chechnya. The FBI interviewed him the previous year but said it found no evidence that he was a threat. On Tuesday, Homeland Security boss Janet Napolitano said her agency was aware of the trip and, on Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry (http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2013/04/24/secretary-state-john-kerry-says-tamerlan-tsarnaev-returned-from-russia-with-willingness-kill-people/T4BzsQN7iRMbEZbfmA5NbP/story.html) stated Tsarnaev returned from Russian trip “with a willingness to kill people.”

The Caucasus Fund was established in November, 2008, following the Georgian-Ossetian conflict. The main purpose of the organization, according to Izvestia, is “to recruit young people and intellectuals of the North Caucasus to enhance instability and extremism in the southern regions of Russia.”

Moscow has explicitly criticized the Jamestown Foundation for engaging in an anti-Russian propaganda campaign. “Organizers again and again resorted to deliberately spreading slander about the situation in Chechnya and other republics of the Russian North Caucasus using the services of supporters of terrorists and pseudo-experts. Speakers were given carte blanche to spread extremist propaganda, [and] incite ethnic and inter-religious discord,” said the Foreign Ministry of Russia (http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/12/07/idUSL07151231) in December, 2007.

The Jamestown Foundation is a known CIA front. It “is only an element in a huge machine, which is controlled by Freedom House and linked to the CIA,” writes the Voltaire Network (http://www.voltairenet.org/article30194.html). “In practice, it has become a specialized news agency in subjects such as the communist and post-communist states and terrorism.” It “publishes specialized bulletins on both the post-communist world and terrorism, which serve as reference for Washington’s think tanks. University scholars and journalists are dedicated to depict a ghost-filled world whose very same hostility justifies the U.S. empire.”

CIA director William Casey and Russian dissident Arkady Shevchenko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_Shevchenko) were instrumental in creating the organization. Jamestown’s board of directors includes Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter. Brzezinski, a high-level globalist operative, initiated the CIA’s recruitment of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html) that ultimately produced al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

The notorious russophobe Brzezinski heads up the foundation’s American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Committee_for_Peace_in_Chechnya), an NGO based at the Freedom House (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Freedom_House), the latter funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA front designed to foment color revolutions and overthrow governments. It also receives funding from Soros Foundations, the CIA’s Ford Foundation (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/FordFandCIA.html), and the U.S. Agency for International Development, the outfit used by the U.S. government to run “humanitarian” NGOs instrumental in running color revolutions in former Russian states.

The revelation about Tsarnaev’s whereabouts in 2012 and his connection to an anti-Russian NGO sponsored by the CIA should be considered the missing link in the story concerning his purported radicalization at the hands of Salafist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafist_jihadism) militants. However, since the establishment is providing the script and narrative for the official story, we expect the corporate media to give it zero credence.

Related:
Boston Terror Update 2: The Syria Objective is Nearly Accomplished? (http://libya360.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/boston-terror-update-2-the-syria-objective-is-nearly-accomplished/)
USA: The Creator & Sustainer of Chechen Terrorism (http://libya360.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/usa-the-creator-sustainer-of-chechen-terrorism/)
The Ties That Bind Washington to Chechen Terrorists (http://jamahiriyanewsagency.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/the-ties-that-bind-washington-to-chechen-terrorists/)

turiya :cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

Those who have suspected that some or most of the injuries at the first Boston marathon explosion were faked, with actors, make up, and photoshop may enjoy the analysis of these injuries: Video Analysis: Boston Marathon Bombing Injuries (Posted May 2, 2013 by Sam Feeterson to Memory Hole Blog) (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/05/02/video-analysis-boston-marathon-bombing-a-mass-casualty-drill/#more-4230).

It just looks at the first explosion (not the second one down the street a half minute later), and mostly just looks at the first minute or two after the explosion. It makes a good case for the use of actors, make up and photoshop.

[Akasha]

The following video attempts to reignite the Jeff Bauman / Nick Vogt controversy by highlighting that Jeff Bauman appears to be missing his left little finger...........just like Nik Vogt.

(the relevant part of the video is from 8.40)

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[InCiDeR]

So, again, this speculation leaves us with following question...

When did this guy:

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9063/jeffbaumanleg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/jeffbaumanleg2.jpg/)
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/200/jeffbaumanleg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/jeffbaumanleg.jpg/)
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7015/jeffbaumanleg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/jeffbaumanleg3.jpg/)

Become this?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/421/jeffbaumannoleg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/jeffbaumannoleg.jpg/)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1377/jeffbaumannoleg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/jeffbaumannoleg2.jpg/)

I know that the pictures when he still has legs aren't the best, but they were the best I could find so far. I am also aware there are very good prosthesis today.

But why haven't ANYONE that knew him before Boston Bombings said ANYTHING like "HEY! This guy was amputee before the bombings! What's going on?!"

Think family members, neighbours, friends, relatives, employee in local store, health care people both now and when he did his amputation in the past, [insert other social context] etc etc.

LOTS of people on the Governments payroll and lots of people for them to make sure they don't speak...

Just saying...

[Hervé]

The following video attempts to reignite the Jeff Bauman / Nick Vogt controversy by highlighting that Jeff Bauman appears to be missing his left little finger...........just like Nik Vogt.

(the relevant part of the video is from 8.40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjS7z7lBsrQ


See post # 701 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=667048&viewfull=1#post667048) <---

[Conchis]

Don't ya just hate coincidences like.... the Aurora shooting... Joker.......
and the Boston bombing...... Djokhar?

[Cidersomerset]

Related.........


Sibel Edmonds discusses with James Corbett the bigger picture
behind the bombing.....good interview.




Sibel Edmonds on the Boston Bombing: The US roots of "Chechen" terrorism

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Published on 23 Apr 2013


SHOW NOTES AND MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7316

FBI whistleblower and BoilingFrogsPost.com editor Sibel Edmonds joins
us to discuss the recent Boston bombing hysteria and the potential
geopolitical implications of the American public's "discovery" of
Chechen terror. We discuss Sibel's work exposing the US/NATO
roots of so-called Chechen terrorism, and what the FSB's involvement
in this twisted tale might mean in terms of future Russian-US relations.

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Chechen Terrorists and the Neocons


April 19, 2013


The revelation that the family of the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings
was from Chechnya prompted new speculation about the attack as Islamic
terrorism. Less discussed was the history of U.S. neocons supporting Chechen
terrorists as a strategy to weaken Russia, as ex-FBI agent Coleen Rowley recalls.



By Coleen Rowley

I almost choked on my coffee listening to neoconservative Rudy Giuliani pompously
claim on national TV that he was surprised about any Chechens being responsible
for the Boston Marathon bombings because he’s never seen any indication that
Chechen extremists harbored animosity toward the U.S.; Guiliani thought they
were only focused on Russia.

Giuliani knows full well how the Chechen “terrorists” proved useful to the U.S. in
keeping pressure on the Russians, much as the Afghan mujahedeen were used in
the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1980 to 1989. In fact, many neocons
signed up as Chechnya’s “friends,” including former CIA Director James Woolsey.


Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

For instance, see this 2004 article in the UK Guardian, entitled, “The Chechens’
American friends: The Washington neocons’ commitment to the war on terror
evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own.”

Author John Laughland wrote: “the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause
is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-
styled ‘distinguished Americans’ who are its members is a roll call of the most
prominent neoconservatives who so enthusiastically support the ‘war on terror.’

“They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-
Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged
on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be ‘a cakewalk’; Midge Decter,
biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation;
Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US
military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now
president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise
Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of
regime change in Iran; and R. James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one
of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush’s plans to re-model the Muslim
world along pro-US lines.”

Read more....

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/04/19/chechen-terrorists-and-the-neocons/


http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/chechnyarussiamap3-400x333.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

The Truthseeker: Boston Bombing - What You Aren't Told


WOW !! This could have come straight from this thread....LOL !!

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Published on 3 May 2013


Triggers pulled on 4th, 2nd & 1st Amendments distracted by flag waving;
clunky FBI propaganda; and unleash the War on Bathtubs. Seek truth from
facts with former Marine Corps officer James Fetzer, editor of Storyleak
Anthony Gucciardi, the Corbett Report's James Corbett, Questioning the
War on Terror author Kevin Barrett, Boston eyewitnesses, and Fmr. Rep. Ron Paul.

[Akasha]

The following video attempts to reignite the Jeff Bauman / Nick Vogt controversy by highlighting that Jeff Bauman appears to be missing his left little finger...........just like Nik Vogt.

(the relevant part of the video is from 8.40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjS7z7lBsrQ



See post # 701 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=667048&viewfull=1#post667048) <---

Sorry Amzer but it's far from clear on that photo who's hand that is. I'm not saying i endorse the "no victims" theory but the photo in post 701 does not definitively put the idea to bed.

[Hervé]

[...]

But why haven't ANYONE that knew him before Boston Bombings said ANYTHING like "HEY! This guy was amputee before the bombings! What's going on?!"

[...]

The ones who knew him with legs before the bombing who dare to say so, get bullied and booted out with a "government paid shills" label by the proponents of the "movie set" faked bombing.

The end result is that when one expresses actual, factual truths as one knows and experiences it, the witch hunt is on onto one and anyone who might threaten this newly emerging status quo of the alt-media, in order to preserve it.

As Steve Richards (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics) keeps repeating: "Everything is alive"... and seeks to remain so... even a story, good or bad.

Which makes me wonder if Boston was a multiple test ground which included applications of mind control à la Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)?

[Hervé]

[...]

Sorry Amzer but it's far from clear on that photo who's hand that is. I'm not saying i endorse the "no victims" theory but the photo in post 701 does not definitively put the idea to bed.

Look at that same scene from all angles, there is no one else there who could put up a left hand in that position.

See post 709 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=667098&viewfull=1#post667098) <---

[InCiDeR]

[...]

But why haven't ANYONE that knew him before Boston Bombings said ANYTHING like "HEY! This guy was amputee before the bombings! What's going on?!"

[...]

The ones who knew him with legs before the bombing who dare to say so, get bullied and booted out with a "government paid shills" label by the proponents of the "movie set" faked bombing.

The end result is that when one expresses actual, factual truths as one knows and experiences it, the witch hunt is on onto one and anyone who might threaten this newly emerging status quo of the alt-media, in order to preserve it.

As Steve Richards (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics) keeps repeating: "Everything is alive"... and seeks to remain so... even a story, good or bad.

Which makes me wonder if Boston was a multiple test ground which included applications of mind control à la Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)?

True Amzer Zo, but I was actually insinuating the other way around. Meaning, if he had been amputee before the bombings I am sure someone of all people he ever met had leaked that information by now, they can't control everyone. Why don't people speak up that knew him "with legs"? Why would they? It is so obvious to them that this guy lost his leg so I believe that thought never even crossed their mind!

I thought of the probabilty of mind control as well, I am not saying this happened here, but absolutely worth considering.

[InCiDeR]

We also have to ask ourselves:

- Why aren't those in the alternative media that have the opportunity doing their job properly?

How hard can it be to prove that Jeff Bauman lost his legs in this bombing?

1. Visit the hospital. Check his legs, do an interview.
2. Visit his parents/friends. Do an interview, ask for photos taken of Jeff the latest week before the bombing.
3. Present the evidence to the public.


Quod erat demonstrandum

[Akasha]

[...]

Sorry Amzer but it's far from clear on that photo who's hand that is. I'm not saying i endorse the "no victims" theory but the photo in post 701 does not definitively put the idea to bed.

Look at that same scene from all angles, there is no one else there who could put up a left hand in that position.

See post 709 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=667098&viewfull=1#post667098) <---

It's clear that the respective photos (post 701 and 709) were not taken simultaneously, so with time as a variable, not to mention the guy with the yellow jacket obscuring the area of interest (in photo from post 701), I remain undecided.

[Hervé]

[...]

It's clear that the respective photos (post 701 and 709) were not taken simultaneously, so with time as a variable, not to mention the guy with the yellow jacket obscuring the area of interest (in photo from post 701), I remain undecided.
Your right and privilege.

My point remains: there isn't anyone around who could put up a left hand in that position.

Taking it in reverse, where would be the body of someone putting up a left hand that way?

[Cidersomerset]

Related.......


Marathon Day: Boston 15.4.13 "Operation Paul Revere InfoWars.com Contest"


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Published on 1 May 2013


http://www.infowars.com "Operation Paul Revere InfoWars.com Contest"

Our present understandings shape our decisions for the future. The truth is the key
to a better world! Question everything! Demand real evidence. Demand Answers!

A 72min documentary film that summarizes the Boston bombing attacks from the
perspective of the official story through the eyes of the mainstream media and the
questions asked by millions about its credibility, both by alternative media sources
and the public! The film is presented in the form of direct evidence, all media
reports are verifiable and presented with direct sources of evidence. These are all
available to the public on the Internet, the only source left 'unregulated!'
Mainstream vs alternative Internet media is the theme! What is the truth? Why
didn't the mainstream report about the 'Bomb Drill' that was taking place on the
day? Why do the witnesses on alternative media contradict the witness reports
presented by mainstream. Why did the mainstream fail to report on the military
undercover operatives at the scene of the first explosion? Why was the FBI
mentoring the Tsarnaev brothers? Who is really behind this? Who gains from
these 'terror attacks' and how have previous attacks reshaped our lives? See the
two perspectives and be the judge! Is there a real conspiracy here? Question
everything! Demand real evidence. Demand Answers!

"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and
present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
—Sonmi-451

Film Credits:
Researched, edited, directed and produced by Amel Tresnjic

[Akasha]

My point remains: there isn't anyone around who could put up a left hand in that position.

I agree ......... in the photo from post 709.


Taking it in reverse, where would be the body of someone putting up a left hand that way?

Potentially behind the guy with the yellow jacket or even between the two folk immediately behind him which would also explain why it seems a little on the small side too. i.e: due to perspective.

What are your thoughts on the missing pinky frame other than the notion that it can't be correct because of the previous photos?

[Hervé]

My point remains: there isn't anyone around who could put up a left hand in that position.

I agree ......... in the photo from post 709.


Taking it in reverse, where would be the body of someone putting up a left hand that way?

Potentially behind the guy with the yellow jacket or even between the two folk immediately behind him which would also explain why it seems a little on the small side too. i.e: due to perspective.

What are your thoughts on the missing pinky frame other than the notion that it can't be correct because of the previous photos?

Similar artifact as for his right hand showing only three fingers on some frames (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes).

It was due to that very unclear and fuzzy frame that I went on the hunt for a clearer picture showing his left hand. Hadn't I found it, everyone would be stuck with the Nick Vogt psyop.

[Akasha]

Similar artifact as for his right hand showing only three fingers on some frames (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes).

It appears to be showing three fingers on all the frames where his hand is open......at least as I see it. I don't have any video software to go through it frame by frame though.

Amzer, I'm just trying to reconcile anomalies as I see them. If you don't see them as anomalies, that is your right and privilege and I respect that, not to mention the effort you have put into this thread so far.

[RunningDeer]

Victims Of Boston Martial Law Speak Out
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG

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[InCiDeR]

Boston Bombing Suspect’s Aunt: Local Mosque Refuses To Bury Tamerlan Tsarnaev


According to NBC News, deceased Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev‘s aunt claimed that a local mosque has refused to hold a funeral or bury her nephew in light of what he and his younger brother have done.

Upon releasing Tsarnaev’s body to his family members living in the United States, a local mosque in the Boston area reportedly refused burial and funeral services when approached by the suspected bombers’ uncle. The aunt, Patimat Suleimanova, indicated to NBC News that it was a mosque the family has attended in the past...
Source (http://www.mediaite.com/online/boston-bombing-suspects-aunt-local-mosque-refuses-to-bury-tamerlan-tsarnaev/)

[RunningDeer]

Easy to see where this is going.http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/yapyapyap-smiley.gif


Obama Admits Fast and Furious As Cause of Mexican Gun Violence

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG

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[RunningDeer]

Exclusive: Victims Of Boston Bombing Police State Lockdown Speak Out
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG

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[Hervé]

[...[
I don't have any video software to go through it frame by frame though.

[...]

I don't know about iPads, etc. but if you are using a regular keyboard, you first pause the video and then use the right/left arrows to go frame by frame. Even if you don/t have any processing software, I think you can still perform "screen captures" (Ctrl + Print Screen) and view those captures at your leisure. VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) is a free software that can also do that.

That should get you to see that his right hand sometime shows all five fingers and other times only three depending on the lighting/shadow or shutter speed.

[Cidersomerset]

Related..............'The Totalitarian Tip Toe' .......Problem Reaction Solution !!



US Hatched Terror Plots

Saturday, 04 May 2013 08:52
Posted by David Icke



http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May20130/images.jpg

'Terrorists "R" us. Washington bears full responsibility. Numerous schemes are
planned. Some are alleged and foiled. Others involve violent plots. Media
scoundrels convict innocent people in the court of public opinion.

Later they're wrongfully accused and prosecuted. Juries are intimidated to convict.
Imprisonment follows. Culprits remain free. One scheme leads to others. Numerous
political prisoners fill America's gulag.'


Even The New York Times was candid. At least party so. Most often it's part of the
guilt by accusation chorus. On April 28, 2012, it headlined "Terrorist Plots, Hatched
by the FBI," saying:

"THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent
years — or so it has seemed."

Dozens were foiled just in time.

Among others, they include:


a fake shoe bomber;
fake underwear bomber;
fake Times Square bomber;
an earlier one there;
fake shampoo bombers;
fake Al Qaeda woman planning fake mass casualty attacks on New York landmarks;
fake Oregon bomber;
fake armed forces recruiting station bomber;
fake synagogue bombers;
fake Chicago Sears Tower bombers;
fake FBI and other building bombers;
fake National Guard, Fort Dix and Quantico marine base attackers;
fake 9/11 bombers;
fake Boston bombers; and
numerous others.


Read more: US Hatched Terror Plots

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83666-us-hatched-terror-plots

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The children may have been told this was a drill while trying to evacuate
but still.....

Sandy Hook 3rd Grader Louis 'Having a DRILL'

Saturday, 04 May 2013 08:38
Posted by David Icke


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Published on 4 Feb 2013


Dr. Oz Interview of Sandy Hook Elementary student. The host discloses that the
kids told him beforehand what they wanted him to ask, in order to avoid traumatic
questioning and - I would surmise - would permit the kids to be thoroughly
prepared and confident of their answer. Sounds as if he tells him they were having
a DRILL. You be the judge.



http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May20130/255793_485523244853926_344500614_n.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83664-sandy-hook-3rd-grader-louis-having-a-drill

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David has been pointing out 'The Totalitarian Tip Toe' for decacades and it
has happened many times around the world over history .....



America Is Embracing The Secret Police Culture Of The Nazis
Saturday, 04 May 2013 09:21

Posted by David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May20130/000-0624102821-obama-change-nazi.gif

'Why do so many Americans want us to become more like Nazi Germany? When I
was growing up, I was taught that Nazi Germany was the antithesis of everything
that America stood for. I truly believed that we were "the land of the free" and that
we were a bright, shining example for the rest of the world. Unfortunately, over the
past couple of decades America has been eagerly embracing the secret police
culture of the Nazis. In a desperate attempt to feel "safe", we have decided to
become much more like our arch-enemies of the past. In fact, in many ways we
have already surpassed them.'

Read more: America Is Embracing The Secret Police Culture Of The Nazis

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/83669-america-is-embracing-the-secret-police-culture-of-the-nazis

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Related.........



Do Americans approve of the surveillance state?

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Published on 3 May 2013


According to a new poll by The New York Times and CBS, 78 percent of Americans
are okay with surveillance cameras. The polls indicated that 9 out of 10 citizens feel
terrorism is a risk everyone must be willing to live with and cameras can help
thwart any potential plots, but how accurate is this sentiment? We hit the streets of
Washington, DC to find out who's willing to sacrifice privacy for security in a post
9/11-society.

Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/

[Cidersomerset]

Peter Stefan revealed Tsarnaev's death certificate, showing gunshots and blunt trauma as the causes of death.

Was he captured beaten and shot ?

Or run over by his brother then shot !!



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4 May 2013 Last updated at 09:44

Burial wrangle for Boston suspect Tamerlan TsarnaevPeter Stefan sits in his funeral
home in Worcester, Massachusetts, 3 May Peter Stefan: "I keep bringing up the
point of Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh or Ted Bundy. Somebody had to do
those, too."


The search is on for a cemetery to bury Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan
Tsarnaev as protesters picket the funeral home holding his body.The director of the
funeral home in Worcester, Massachusetts, likened the task to burying notorious
mass murderers from recent US history.Peter Stefan revealed Tsarnaev's death
certificate, showing gunshots and blunt trauma as the causes of death.

Tsarnaev's surviving brother Dzhokhar is under arrest for the bombing.

The brothers are accused of planting two bombs near the finishing-line of the
Boston Marathon on 15 April. Three people were killed and more than 260 injured
in an attack which shocked America.

They are also suspected of later shooting dead one policeman and injuring another.

Dzhokhar, 19, was shot and injured during the police manhunt and remains in a
prison hospital. He faces a possible death sentence if convicted.Three of his college
friends have been arrested on suspicion of obstructing police inquiries after the bomb attack.

'Bundy, McVeigh'

Relatives of ex-boxer Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, have been making arrangements to
bury his body.Mr Stefan received the body after it was released by the
Massachusetts state medical examiner on Thursday.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev (L), 26, and his brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19 Tamerlan
Tsarnaev (L) died after a police shootout, while Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (R) is in
custody Protesters had picketed a North Attleborough funeral home to which it was
brought initially, after which Mr Stefan's business received it, in the face of a new demonstration.

"Everyone deserves a burial," Mr Stefan told Reuters news agency by telephone.

"It doesn't matter who it is. I can't pick and choose."

Speaking to AP news agency, Mr Stefan said: "My problem here is trying to find a
gravesite. A lot of people don't want to do it. They don't want to be involved with
this." Arguing that everyone deserved a dignified burial, he added: "I keep bringing
up the point of Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh or Ted Bundy. Somebody had
to do those, too."

Wife declines

According to the death certificate, Tamerlan Tsarnaev died at 01:35 on 19 April
from "gunshot wounds of torso and extremities" as well as blunt trauma to the
head and torso.Protesters outside the funeral home in Worcester, Massachusetts, 3
May Dozens of protesters rallied near Mr Stefan's funeral home on Friday
After being hit in a shoot-out with police, he was reportedly run over on the ground
by his younger brother as he escaped from the scene in a car.

No motive has yet been established for the bombing.

The family are ethnic Chechen Muslims from Russia who had been living in the US
for about a decade, and Tamerlan was drawn to radical Islam. His wife, Katherine
Russell, declined to pick up his body from the medical examiner's office, allowing
his relatives to claim the remains instead and arrange for a funeral.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22409920

[Cidersomerset]

Tavistock Ideology Explains False Flags - Neil Sanders

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Published on 3 May 2013


A very good education on an obviously powerful institution in our midst - influencing events all around us.
Apologies for the poor video quality.

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False Flags and The Manufacture of Consent - Neil Sanders

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Published on 10 Feb 2013


Neil takes us through the methodology used in pulling off these False Flags

[InCiDeR]

Exclusive: Victims Of Boston Bombing Police State Lockdown Speak Out
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG

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This video that you posted Paula is really really scary and sad. They should run this at least once a day in every channel in US....

[RunningDeer]

Exclusive: Victims Of Boston Bombing Police State Lockdown Speak Out
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/infowars_zpseb184ad7.JPG

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This video that you posted Paula is really really scary and sad. They should run this at least once a day in every channel in US....

Hi InCiDeR,

What got me was how helmet guys wouldn't let the elder people put on their shoes, even the ones who needed assistance to even walk. How about those bullets all over the place? Seems like target practice would benefit them rather than bully the old ones. Unless it was intended as part of the psych job. Which as you point out, it'll make for good advertising for “We the People". I was surprised the community people spoke freely, and how there's a difference between hometown police and helmet guys.

I had my oil changed earlier this week. The owner, another customer and myself were talking about civil liberties, forced lockdown, militarized police, tanks, door-to-door searches without warrant, etc. Or I should say I? I left disheartened because they had nothing but praises for helmet guys. Their point was the two young men could have dropped bombs all along the way, killing many. I found myself asking them if they were pulling my leg. Twice. Sadly, they weren't.

I live about 75 miles from Boston. It's business as usual around here, so this video is timely for me. Though, I won't hold my breath for the media to run it.

[InCiDeR]

...

Hi InCiDeR,

What got me was how helmet guys wouldn't let the elder people put on their shoes, even the ones who needed assistance to even walk. How about those bullets all over the place? Seems like target practice would benefit them rather than bully the old ones. Unless it was intended as part of the psych job. Which as you point out, it'll make for good advertising for “We the People". I was surprised the community people spoke freely, and how there's a difference between hometown police and helmet guys.

I had my oil changed earlier this week. The owner, another customer and myself were talking about civil liberties, forced lockdown, militarized police, tanks, door-to-door searches without warrant, etc. Or I should say I? I left disheartened because they had nothing but praises for helmet guys. Their point was the two young men could have dropped bombs all along the way, killing many. I found myself asking them if they were pulling my leg. Twice. Sadly, they weren't. So this video is timely for me.

Quoted for truth. Thank you Paula.

It amazes me and saddens me that the majority of the people seems to almost worship the helmet guys. I saw another video the other day how the neighbours stood in the street celebrating, singing and praising the police force that caught the 19 year old kid. What about the collateral damage, civilians could actually have died in their own home when the police shooting wild like that.

Jeeez, what happened, how can they not see? All this for a "kid"? Now some of the churches and mosques considering not even to bury the older brother. I got tears in my eyes when I heard about the elder ones that weren't allowed to put on their shoes...

I don't know what to say, I am speechless. This are sad days for humanity, because I believe this will escalate, not only in the USA but worldwide. What shall we do? People are sleeping so hard so I don't know anymore if they ever will wake up. Today I strive to keep my faith up, even of a part of me wants go give up... but where would that leave me?!

[RunningDeer]

...

Hi InCiDeR,

What got me was how helmet guys wouldn't let the elder people put on their shoes, even the ones who needed assistance to even walk. How about those bullets all over the place? Seems like target practice would benefit them rather than bully the old ones. Unless it was intended as part of the psych job. Which as you point out, it'll make for good advertising for “We the People". I was surprised the community people spoke freely, and how there's a difference between hometown police and helmet guys.

I had my oil changed earlier this week. The owner, another customer and myself were talking about civil liberties, forced lockdown, militarized police, tanks, door-to-door searches without warrant, etc. Or I should say I? I left disheartened because they had nothing but praises for helmet guys. Their point was the two young men could have dropped bombs all along the way, killing many. I found myself asking them if they were pulling my leg. Twice. Sadly, they weren't. So this video is timely for me.

Quoted for truth. Thank you Paula.

It amazes me and saddens me that the majority of the people seems to almost worship the helmet guys. I saw another video the other day how the neighbours stood in the street celebrating, singing and praising the police force that caught the 19 year old kid. What about the collateral damage, civilians could actually have died in their own home when the police shooting wild like that.

Jeeez, what happened, how can they not see? All this for a "kid"? Now some of the churches and mosques considering not even to bury the older brother. I got tears in my eyes when I heard about the elder ones that weren't allowed to put on their shoes...

I don't know what to say, I am speechless. This is a sad day for humanity, because I believe this will escalate, not only in the USA but worldwide. What shall we do? People are sleeping so hard so I don't know anymore if they ever will wake up. Today I strive to keep my faith up, even of a part of me wants go give up... but where would that leave me?!

Hi InCiDeR,


I saw another video the other day how the neighbours stood in the street celebrating, singing and praising the police force that caught the 19 year old kid.

My heart sank when I saw that video and stopped watching them for awhile. I don’t usually talk about the current state of affairs for the obvious reason...sleepwalkers. So when I brought it up with the owner and the other, my hope was to reverse my perceptions of humanity as a whole. It only served to reinforce what I experience with friends and family.


What shall we do?
For me, I have no control over asteroids, Earth changes, or others, only myself. It’s assisted me in tapping the within dimensions which serves to discover the natural beauty within and without. The most recent example is while doing Tai Chi an Eagle was close enough to where I could see her white under feathers, and huge wing span without my far away glasses. Awesome power hidden in grace and agility in the She-Eagle. (as above, so below, we are That)

Lots of synchronicities these days to where even when I toss out a question, it’s answered within hours or minutes. Whereas, it use to be weeks or days. That's one example of what the dark ones do not want us to discover. Mighty Co-creators.

Beyond the preparations like food, water, medicines, financial, etc. my inner knowing is to discover the greater mind, body and spirit that we are already. I’ll know what steps to take next. It’s always happened that way. Each of those decision and actions has only brought out the greater from within. This time is no different.

Light (it's within) AND is for whomever is open to receive. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/dancing-smiley.gif

Hearts,
Paula

[Akasha]

[...[
I don't have any video software to go through it frame by frame though.

[...]

I don't know about iPads, etc. but if you are using a regular keyboard, you first pause the video and then use the right/left arrows to go frame by frame. Even if you don/t have any processing software, I think you can still perform "screen captures" (Ctrl + Print Screen) and view those captures at your leisure. VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) is a free software that can also do that.

That should get you to see that his right hand sometime shows all five fingers and other times only three depending on the lighting/shadow or shutter speed.

With those instructions applied to the youtube video you linked to in post 799, the video skips forward at 5 second intervals with each click of the arrow right button. Holding down alt, control or the command key whilst holding down the arrow key makes no difference (those keys often allow micro-adjustments of certain parameters within various DAWs which I'm familiar with).

VLC performs no action when either of the arrow keys are pressed. It does, however, move the video backwards or forwards if alt and command are held down simultaneously with either of the arrow keys............by 10 second increments. (VLC 2.0.5 / OS X Lion / MB Pro)

Ironically the youtube video you linked to in post 799 has already been slowed down to approx' 2 frames/second by, I guess, the uploader/creator of the video and at no point are five fingers on the left hand visible, at least to my eyes. Are we actually talking about the same video? If so, could you screen capture the appropriate frames? Cheers.

[Hervé]

[...]

With those instructions applied to the youtube video you linked to in post 799, the video skips forward at 5 second intervals with each click of the arrow right button. Holding down alt, control or the command key whilst holding down the arrow key makes no difference (those keys often allow micro-adjustments of certain parameters within various DAWs which I'm familiar with).

VLC performs no action when either of the arrow keys are pressed. It does, however, move the video backwards or forwards if alt and command are held down simultaneously with either of the arrow keys............by 10 second increments. (VLC 2.0.5 / OS X Lion / MB Pro)

Ironically the youtube video you linked to in post 799 has already been slowed down to approx' 2 frames/second by, I guess, the uploader/creator of the video and at no point are five fingers on the left hand visible, at least to my eyes. Are we actually talking about the same video? If so, could you screen capture the appropriate frames? Cheers.

VLC has a feature "Frame by frame" which you can extract from "Tools" -> "Customize interface" and set it on your toolbar. Although it still has bugs, it works most of the time.


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pFsc-M77CyH8GdbvxW2ptDl_X3-Inandp91x5TTWAyTOLO0adJOxan7Yk06R5kUxP-lxkwaIX2qK1vNqgSTPBbJJdMsglEWTaMv4Lty4WMh4L8QQxjTpYx5daO0gzCzCR/Post-blast-43a.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pHMlXnAF91gXSC_crwcq6lI0DrX0xtLyzMur_PBiVfaq-iB5JlPpsjPA8rSnWrv9_GMljdHezP4z14fI6eJKDlGTE2nWV9UABaCHjcvKq5_0aP-HnEoaOKCaGVBPsNiWw/Post-blast-44a.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p8cYpPMEWuO4NDrnA8gAqjkKTxVYKRaaerfVfPQHQpHe9r4lliqgazd-diiPArMoQc_gl79953IC4Qt4a6X7AQvYxSs8_TKKFAGMWu7zNqw74XrdWxGgmJ_sPjK1bpQpy/Post-blast-45a.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2plGq4T7ZTZNprRu4mYhNAkLQZoLclHmIsask4rGebicVHGmFEyxTiyvf53xL-yJV3rss7GG-R2FT93gNUHICj_lhIakydZjHHnY7yiUpbPiUx4A7gzB4FsNXG-_tZnWp7/Post-blast-47a.jpg?psid=1

[Akasha]

[...]

With those instructions applied to the youtube video you linked to in post 799, the video skips forward at 5 second intervals with each click of the arrow right button. Holding down alt, control or the command key whilst holding down the arrow key makes no difference (those keys often allow micro-adjustments of certain parameters within various DAWs which I'm familiar with).

VLC performs no action when either of the arrow keys are pressed. It does, however, move the video backwards or forwards if alt and command are held down simultaneously with either of the arrow keys............by 10 second increments. (VLC 2.0.5 / OS X Lion / MB Pro)

Ironically the youtube video you linked to in post 799 has already been slowed down to approx' 2 frames/second by, I guess, the uploader/creator of the video and at no point are five fingers on the left hand visible, at least to my eyes. Are we actually talking about the same video? If so, could you screen capture the appropriate frames? Cheers.

VLC has a feature "Frame by frame" which you can extract from "Tools" -> "Customize interface" and set it on your toolbar. Although it still has bugs, it works most of the time.


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pFsc-M77CyH8GdbvxW2ptDl_X3-Inandp91x5TTWAyTOLO0adJOxan7Yk06R5kUxP-lxkwaIX2qK1vNqgSTPBbJJdMsglEWTaMv4Lty4WMh4L8QQxjTpYx5daO0gzCzCR/Post-blast-43a.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pHMlXnAF91gXSC_crwcq6lI0DrX0xtLyzMur_PBiVfaq-iB5JlPpsjPA8rSnWrv9_GMljdHezP4z14fI6eJKDlGTE2nWV9UABaCHjcvKq5_0aP-HnEoaOKCaGVBPsNiWw/Post-blast-44a.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p8cYpPMEWuO4NDrnA8gAqjkKTxVYKRaaerfVfPQHQpHe9r4lliqgazd-diiPArMoQc_gl79953IC4Qt4a6X7AQvYxSs8_TKKFAGMWu7zNqw74XrdWxGgmJ_sPjK1bpQpy/Post-blast-45a.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2plGq4T7ZTZNprRu4mYhNAkLQZoLclHmIsask4rGebicVHGmFEyxTiyvf53xL-yJV3rss7GG-R2FT93gNUHICj_lhIakydZjHHnY7yiUpbPiUx4A7gzB4FsNXG-_tZnWp7/Post-blast-47a.jpg?psid=1

Thanks Amzer, it looks as if we've finally got to the bottom of this thanks to your picture posts. Namely the fact that that is his right hand, not his left. Vogt was missing his left pinky.

Re: VLC I guess we must be on different OS's 'cos I don't have "the frame by frame" option. Nor do I have "tools", rather I have "preferences" and within them, under the hotkeys tab, there is a "next frame" hotkey which, in version 2.0.5 running on OS X Lion (10.7) is the letter "E". So I do have that function but under a different guise.

[ThePythonicCow]

Those who have suspected that some or most of the injuries at the first Boston marathon explosion were faked, with actors, make up, and photoshop may enjoy the analysis of these injuries: Video Analysis: Boston Marathon Bombing Injuries (Posted May 2, 2013 by Sam Feeterson to Memory Hole Blog) (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/05/02/video-analysis-boston-marathon-bombing-a-mass-casualty-drill/#more-4230).

It just looks at the first explosion (not the second one down the street a half minute later), and mostly just looks at the first minute or two after the explosion. It makes a good case for the use of actors, make up and photoshop.

Now the same website, memoryholeblog.com, has some interesting observations regarding the second explosion: Anomalies Emerge in Photos of Second Bomb Site (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/05/04/anomalies-emerge-in-photos-of-second-bomb-site/#more-4264).

[RunningDeer]

Anomalies Emerge in Photos of Second Bomb Site (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/05/04/anomalies-emerge-in-photos-of-second-bomb-site/#more-4264)


I don’t know if anyone has picked up on the mailbox. I’ve been following one detail: the slab under the mailbox. In some photos it’s blurred out or blocked. No raised cement slab under the first photo. I'm suspicious because you can never get a clear 'after' photo of that one detail.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/no_slab_zps964ce304.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/slab_zpsbd0975fa.jpg




Those who have suspected that some or most of the injuries at the first Boston marathon explosion were faked, with actors, make up, and photoshop may enjoy the analysis of these injuries: Video Analysis: Boston Marathon Bombing Injuries (Posted May 2, 2013 by Sam Feeterson to Memory Hole Blog) (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/05/02/video-analysis-boston-marathon-bombing-a-mass-casualty-drill/#more-4230).

It just looks at the first explosion (not the second one down the street a half minute later), and mostly just looks at the first minute or two after the explosion. It makes a good case for the use of actors, make up and photoshop.

Now the same website, memoryholeblog.com, has some interesting observations regarding the second explosion: Anomalies Emerge in Photos of Second Bomb Site (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/05/04/anomalies-emerge-in-photos-of-second-bomb-site/#more-4264).

[Hervé]

First, this picture is not of the blast site #2:


http://www.thestar.ie/star/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-Martin-Kelledy-610x250.jpg

It is missing the raised concrete slab as noted by Paula, as well as the restaurants' terraces and the parking limit/Tow Zone sign/pole.


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pab4PUM5CvLedmYs65OMm4avESde8P3gMn1PUszi9Ucp2u6z5gGBmsnl5S-6SNhkxRElB-AWAsOLT0PxONlszWsyUBn_WxUhlIEwRHgOwRuPCTr63S_Y8QiIEDa6JT1yQ/Boston%20%232-001.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p5YkU1fs77hsDFUA0Mnx3GhYD8tEXfJBZgjTR1JxAg8aLrOuzu1uf7_ooRGn3RtOcUJDZZdVUI8qq74hBtosQFWSyBTU9V0xRH MsBRh4REthGcJzjOXVJQyzrOm914qN3/Boston%20%232-004a.jpg?psid=1




The bag shown on this picture is not the one containing the bomb:


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/slab_zpsbd0975fa.jpg



This one is a more likely candidate:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pmnjfPHNzYwzBgoh8-wJiYjZnQmIvtXg8Cb1skgRpIgy275u0VPJToITkB-hj52QIwACyx0k-XMdqqwYGJEEnaYE0By-5bECn13N0Q5hQtr9QEfaPCFm1bj-891MqtSeu/suspect-30.jpg?psid=1
Late Richard Martin circled in blue.


Glass doors and windows also get broken with people getting pushed into them which is also what I suspect happened to the fence that got wrapped around the mail box, the push being caused by the blast pressure wave on the people between the bomb and the fence.

Pressure cooker bombs aren't made to pierce armored vehicles (i.e. mail box) but to inflict maximum injuries and maims (at feet level).

[Slorri]

...
Pressure cooker bombs aren't made to pierce armored vehicles (i.e. mail box)...


Are US mail boxes similar to armored vehicles?
Are they that sturdy?

[we-R-one]

Hey did you guys see this video? It's relatively new...I didn't look on any other threads, but didn't see it here. Check this out, it appears a runner is throwing something to another runner right when the bomb goes off. Could this have been a detonator?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skQIg620YyM&feature=youtu.be

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks We-R -One interesting questions on the vid.


Related to thread..............


Post-Boston: Now You Have to Prove You’re Not a Terrorist

Monday, 06 May 2013 11:56

Posted by David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May20132/stupidkid.jpg



'In a Christian Science Monitor article covering the case of Cameron D’Ambrosio –
the teenager who supposedly made terroristic threats on his Facebook page – a
New York cop is quoted as saying government needs to implement a zero tolerance
approach to online speech after the Boston bombing.

“If you’re not a terrorist, if you’re not a threat, prove it,” he said. “This is the price
you pay to live in free society right now. It’s just the way it is.”'

Read more: Post-Boston: Now You Have to Prove You’re Not a Terrorist

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/8...ot-a-terrorist

[InCiDeR]

Hey did you guys see this video? It's relatively new...I didn't look on any other threads, but didn't see it here. Check this out, it appears a runner is throwing something to another runner right when the bomb goes off. Could this have been a detonator?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skQIg620YyM&feature=youtu.be

I guess that is a bottle of water. Often during races like this the runner drinks a lot of water and then just throws the bottle away.

"The tap on the shoulder", well things still happens even if people watching marathon, we are not talking about the movie "Metropolis" here! People do move and interact with each other, they are not robots... even though the Cabal sometimes would like us to be!

Ask yourself: -How would you detonate a bomb?

1. In front of all the cameras and all the people? In plain sight so you don't have any control who take a picture of you and/or see you!
2. Hidden and discret. In an area whithout anyone else and where no one can see what you are doing!

[turiya]

Lew Rockwell Show: The Boston Bombing, the CIA & the US Empire
Saturday, 4. May 2013

Further on Down the Rabbit Hole - The CIA's Role in Boston Terrorhttp://www.dewereldmorgen.be/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshow_1680x1050/2010/04/12/kaukasus.png

Sibel Edmonds Talks to Lew Rockwell about what’s “Really” Happening in Central Asia & the Caucasus

Yesterday [May 3, 2013] I was back on the Lew Rockwell Show to talk about the geopolitical context and implications of the Boston Bombing. It was a great honor to be back on Mr. Rockwell’s show.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpmRWYLeOTcShow Notes:

US Created - Chechen Radical Islam Terrorists
The Geo-Political Actors Involved:
Graham Fuller (CIA) & Former Father-in-Law to Uncle Ruslan of Tsarnev Brothers
Elliot Abrams (PNAC (http://www.newamericancentury.org/kosovomilosevicsep98.htm) NeoCon)
Morton Abramowitz (http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=morton_i._abramowitz) (PNAC (http://www.newamericancentury.org/kosovomilosevicsep98.htm)NeoCon CFR (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_milit ancy_2122#western_support_for_islamic_militancy_21 22))
Look for the possible consequences from what took place in Boston :

- US/Russia Backdoor Deal on Syria - i.e. Obama meets with Putin
- US Interest in Georgia & Azerbaijan
- Iran
Sibel Edmonds:
"I have been writing, analyzing and talking about the connections between the Boston Terror, CIA, Graham Fuller, Syria, Russia, and Caucasus-Central Asia. You can read my previous analyses at Boiling Frogs Post, and I encourage you to listen to my recent interview, and watch this Related Video (http://youtu.be/2RCN1w5J80E). The operatives and Uber-Neocon architects are now busy preparing the second phase for Syria." SOURCE (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/)





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turiya :cool:

[Slorri]

Question: Does anyone here have video or picture footage from Boston marathon last year, 2012?

How did it look then?

[DOWNTRODDEN]

http://youtu.be/_urZdypbP0I

you can see the white object leave the female runners hand and the male running catches as he is falling.

[Hervé]

Nothing more than a piece of paper or cardboard blown along the ground like a leaf... it is behind her arm when starting to be visible not in her hand -- that is, on the ground behind her -- the veteran runner didn't try to catch anything since it was skidding on the ground behind him and can be seen as an upright dark square at is feet (when rolling over) before falling flat and be seen as a white piece of paper/card board/banner again.

But to see that, one would have to get the original video that piece of creative cr... err composition is concocted from (under the "see more") and go frame by frame through the slow motion segment.

Why would a life-loving marathoner, seeking to get high on second winds, want to commit suicide by detonating a bomb while being right in front of it? Never mind the sweat and finger prints on the alleged device to be fine combed by the CSI folks... not very smart IMO.

[ThePythonicCow]

that piece of creative cr... err composition is concocted from
Nice job of editing on the fly there, Amzer Zo :).

[Hervé]

From: http//www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/06/boston-who-did-what-to-whom/:

... some better logic and rationale, IMO...



The dome on the top of their unmarked van had a hyperspectral camera in it… space technology stuff. What it can do is classified. But there is one thing that it can’t pick up… and that has to do with how a tracking dog can follow a trail. It can’t pick up explosives in a pressure cooker if it has been prepared correctly.

Who told these totally untrained brothers to use the only delivery system that could defeat (and provide cover for the failure) a technology being use for the first time at an event like this? Do any of you think they were smart enough to figure that out on their own, or were just lucky?


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/FBI_Arrives-e1367870908624.jpg

The fourth anomaly, which took several days to percolate up to the top was the sudden entry onto the scene publicly about pressure cooker bombs, like they were a standard. But there was a problem with that. They weren’t.

In Iraq and Afghanistan unexploded mortar and artillery shells were most commonly used where bigger is better. You can’t put one in a pressure cooker.

We asked around and people who should know, most of them had never heard of their being used much. But… it was presented to us in the early reports as a common terror tool, which it wasn’t.

We move on now to the most silly overreaction by the Internet sleuths, two stories in one actually. The photo of the man with his legs blown off being rolled away was up the morning after the bombing, on Info Wars… fast… almost too fast.

The story presented was that this poor man was a double amputee veteran, and ‘actor’ pretending to have had his legs blown off also came out fast. It had cover and deception all over it.
Numerous blogs and website pounded on it for days. It was a bogus story of course. While Paul Bauman was being photographed recovering with his family at this bedside his local history being covered in the local Boston news.

Despite this, the Internet sleuths were running wild with their ‘actors’ story as proof of a false flag, but one that was obviously going to be shot down in flames. This was a perfect example of cover and deception, a text book case.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Boston-bomb-close-smaller-Jeff-Bauman-blocked.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/06/boston-who-did-what-to-whom/boston-bomb-close-smaller-jeff-bauman-blocked/)
This is Jeff Bauman with his legs blown off. It is not the vet double amputee that idiots focused on because they wanted to. And this is not fake blood. You can ask Jeff Bauman because he can tell you who it belonged to. It was his.




Next we have the NeoCon/Zionist Lobby diversion. They wanted to connect AL-Qaeda to the bombing via Tamerlane’s trip home to Daghastan for terror training, and for those who would not buy that, tag the Russians for ‘not telling us more’ about Tamerlane. We have also shot this down in flames as these two were rank amateurs, and we have proof they were totally untrained.

One, they seem to have used fireworks powder, something that is hard to get in the New England states and of low explosive power. Any trained bomber would have bought a bag of fertilizer, a container of diesel fuel to make a slurry, with one other ingredient that I will not name, and for ten dollars could have take off the fronts of the buildings.

And second, we have a dead giveaway photo of the crazy tactical situation where Tamerlane decided to engage the pursuing cops. Rather than pull the van sideways across the street to provide more cover, and block the smaller car from having its tires shot out so they could escape, they just parked them on the right and left sides of the street.

They then took up a firing position in the front of the hijacked Mercedes SUV.
But they did something very stupid which is immortalized in the twitter photo taken from a resident shooting right down on them. The Brothers Tsarnaev left the headlights of the Mercedes on, then went and stood right in front of the car to have a night time shoot out. When I saw this photo (above at top) my first thought was, “Nobody could be this stupid… it’s impossible.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Boston_Shootout_overhead-photo-e1367868454146.jpg

There was a large segment of the Internet crowd that preferred the patsy theory where they had nothing to do with the bombing. The Mercedes carjacking victim, the luckiest person in all of Boston in this whole event, got Tamerlane’s confession. This Chinese guy was smart enough to figure out that the only reason Tamerlane told him was because he was planning to kill him. After all, he said he had just killed a cop.

The Internet sillies can claim all they want that the Chinese guy could be lying, but what would be his motive? He is thrilled to just be alive and wants no publicity, as would I.

And lastly, Tamerlane’s roommates are on record now for trying to hide the bomb-making materials they threw out and the FBI had to dig out of the landfill.

You can add to that Dzhokhar’s claiming his brother was the mastermind and one of the roommate’s admission that Dzhokhar told him a month ago that he knew how to make a bomb. So the case of the brothers taking an innocent stroll over to the Marathon finish line that Sunday has some major problems with it.
What do we think at VT… and our counter Intel sources? We suspect that the kids were being monitored by ‘another group’, and were allowed to walk the bombs in… by somebody knowing that there was no bag checking and Craft Security would do nothing.
This was done/allowed by someone who already had a good bit of experience doing such things. I will let you guess who that is, and you will probably be right.

[ThePythonicCow]

From: http//www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/06/boston-who-did-what-to-whom/:

... some better logic and rationale, IMO...
So, Amzer Zo, you've been doing yeoman work identifying the mistakes in analysis by many of the rest of us (myself included) in the details of this bombing. Thanks!

Could you take a step back and say (or link back to where you already said) what you think the main purpose(s) and primary perpetrators of this bombing were?

I remain convinced that we're witnessing another staged event, whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not. My current take is that Sibel Edmonds, now at BoilingFrogsPost.com (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/), is closest to the mark as to the real nature of this event:

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Lew Rockwell interviewing Sibel Edmonds

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James Corbett interviewing Sibel Edmonds

[Slorri]

I double Paul's statement above, and I add that with the following preposition it is quite tricky to judge things objectively.

"Why would a life-loving marathoner, seeking to get high on second winds, want to commit suicide by detonating a bomb while being right in front of it? Never mind the sweat and finger prints on the alleged device to be fine combed by the CSI folks... not very smart IMO."

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Boston Cheers for Martial Law Police State. Nevada Governor 2014 David Lory VanDerBeek
rslalhcao34

[ThePythonicCow]

Nevada Governor 2014 David Lory VanDerBeek

Just to be clear, David Lory VanDerBeek is the Constitution party's candidate for Nevada governor. He's in a minority party that historically doesn't get more than one or two percent of the vote.

He's being a bit "optimistic" describing himself as Nevada's governor in 2014.

[TargeT]

From: http//www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/06/boston-who-did-what-to-whom/:

... some better logic and rationale, IMO...


[INDENT]The dome on the top of their unmarked van had a hyperspectral camera in it… space technology stuff. What it can do is classified. But there is one thing that it can’t pick up… and that has to do with how a tracking dog can follow a trail. It can’t pick up explosives in a pressure cooker if it has been prepared correctly.

hyperspectral camera?

Hmm... well I work with CST guys & that's nothing but an omnidirectional receive type satellite antenna; all the CST vehicles I've seen look the same, large blue SUV with similar roof mounted equipment (that I'ved worked on, since I'm signal support).
here's one being loaded on a C-130 (military cargo plane).
http://d2.static.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/photos/1301/816356/450x360_q75.jpg

here's another example:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-BXv74YT2Bvo/SEC1IOoOMAI/AAAAAAAAFYA/cluQ7In7w5s/IMG_0169.JPG

no hyperspectral camera's (space tech) here,, just boring old sat. antenna.....

[turiya]

New Hampshire State Representative Calls Boston Bombings an Inside Job!!!
Published on May 7, 2013


Just as you said would happen. Top Down, Bottom UP. The Boston Marathon was a Black Ops "terrorist" attack. One suspect killed, the other one will be too before they even have a chance to speak. Drones and now "terrorist" attacks by our own Government. Sad day, but a "wake up" to all of us. First there was a "suspect" then there wasnt. Infowars broke the story and they knew they had been "found out".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI3XvG3yfBY&feature=share&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg

turiya :cool:

[Hervé]

[...]

Could you take a step back and say (or link back to where you already said) what you think the main purpose(s) and primary perpetrators of this bombing were?

I remain convinced that we're witnessing another staged event, whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not. My current take is that Sibel Edmonds, now at BoilingFrogsPost.com (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/), is closest to the mark as to the real nature of this event:

[...]

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[...]

[...]

Thanks Paul for letting me know how you got that allergy (I guess you are not the only one either).

Personally, what I end up considering as the stagecraft portion of the incident is not in any fakery in the casualties but the fact that it was set right in front of a galore of media outlets,TVs, video crews, photographers, etc...

After all, according to Sue Arrigo, agencies have a large clientele to cater snuff films to... Rockefeller seemed to have been happy with 9-11 to the point of commissioning sculptures of people jumping off the buildings in memory of its gore... but weren't left on display due to mass public outcry.

Lt Col. Potter summarized the gist of the situation with different factions shooting each others' feet and theirs as well.

The FBI got short circuited when the younger brother was read his Miranda rights in the hospital, that is, they got bypassed by some other agency.

My beef is with this kind of statement:


whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not.... since it leaves the psyop fully operating by maintaining a doubt that it was at all real:


[...]

Hence, it's time to turn around the very question heading the article: “Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?” and check it against the very premise of said article: the time constraint against a real blast that blew off double paneled windows, singed bystanders' hair and jackets and "salted" same bystanders' legs, arms, trunks and faces with ball bearings and nails as well as people holding their heads, covering their ears for a good, post blast, minute.

When issues have been confused beyond recognition... and create a divide between "believers" and "thinkers," maybe it's time to let Occam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) do the cutting:


As if you could pay somebody enough to stand within feet of a real bomb going off. If these things really are some sort of false flag, then why get the actors? Why get the fake amputees and the fake blood? Don’t you think it would make a whole lot more sense for the government to just pay one or two guys a ****load of money and just drop the real bombs off and walk away? You wouldn’t f***ing need any of these actors cause the real injuries and death would be good enough. Occam’s Razor people.
Posted by screenwatcher | April 22, 2013, 7:48 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47917)



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Perhaps the purpose was to instill fear instead of killing many. Fear is a potent weapon. Just witness the plethora of freedom robbing laws bestowed upon us by our government to make us feel “safe”. And of course, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men with their DHS provided domestic weaponry and armored cars and automatics couldn’t find one skinny 19yr old nor keep anyone safe. They did a great job of their martial law shut down for ordinary folks though.
Posted by roseandpeony (http://gravatar.com/roseandpeony) | April 22, 2013, 7:51 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47919)



Maybe there weren't any real ball-bearing balls nor BB pellets nor nails either:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pu1TNF40I2YEY_YFEbA2QjYsEJ5N4epwT9d1POgqnZv2oIcrJ4iJQsMOtkO0o1irAoP8-IvmoruW0VH_8b_f9yV1wjAQYUGf428I9NRyYsCKK-XgYGi2_U2Br8p6bsJIv/Boston%20%231-043b.jpg?psid=1


High resolution at: http://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/166665868.jpg



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p4nVZ8xIh2o8z5vNDEbPBn1j_rqrgW7lyTfQ-Zf0APxUPUm082icYUAO4hPn0Rzfs3hnThhdkFpBeu2gFnYBW6MuaOWzCRPQfj1gAkMbeoPx0q0qTzdsVFHkxjpEup1yr/Boston%20%231-183a.jpg?psid=1



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pgzkEcYjq26XVab8UO4ddNiPVOKsEjN3iHjySaoP3VVs8sI1JO-O_qtQQsUIECS1URFt98JxNtb5bMg5ZrE1cCtuEqdqSgbWYpwJkNgWPNG6_YoVpB-vzKzPoUZySgHnz/Boston%20%231-183b.jpg?psid=1

One would have to let the picture sink in to be able to spot dozens of these tiny, + shiny balls



Like any real false flag, Boston was a multiple test-ground with multiple yields, from social engineering psyops to martial law curfew via microwave mind control à la Robert Duncan:

.
In case one gets tempted to think those "Orgone in a can" and "boosting" sessions are just innocuous anecdotes, the letter agencies take it more seriously:

[...]

As for my other subjective impressions: while listening to the CD I had a hard time staying awake and so did the cat. Just like the first time I brought home orgonite, I felt the urge to take an “orgone nap”. The energy felt much smoother and more pleasant to me then the compressed download did.

Apparently the white noise sends out lots of orgone energy. As soon as I played it - my speakers on maximum volume – a dove settled on a fence in my garden and began courting and cooing like crazy. He was one happy bird! It reminded me of the first time I set up a cloudbuster, when immediately after two doves flew in and mated for an hour straight on.

Yesterday I received an email from my web host, saying he was notified by his server provider that the traffic on my website had increased considerably since 24 January. Since this could mean hacking activity, he had looked in to it. It was partly due to the large white noise file I had put up as background music that day. But also due to one single visitor good for 33% of the hits since 24 January: IP number 216.81.80.134..... Well, what do you know... that’s the Homeland Security in Boston. Apparently the orgone white noise has their interest too. Now their unusual activity has the attention of my web-host as a former pyjama person too, isn’t that great progress?!

Today I have changed the “.MP3” recording for a piece of Manfred’s “.wav” track, since I found the wider frequency range more appropriate as white noise for the experiment. It’s two seconds in loop and I have called it “mosquito.wav” – a little joke, because Mosquito is also the name for a dutch speaker device used in public spaces (stations, etc.) to scare away vandals with high pitch tones only young people can hear.
Carolien
[...]

My assumption on this is that an "orgone field" disturbs/interferes with their "energetic grid" and are able to almost instantly locate the disturbance area and dispatch black helicopters and teams to remove a piece of salted epoxy resin muffin out of a field in the middle of nowhere... same happens to people performing their own brand of meditation [should tell one something about the "approved" meditation brands promoted and taught all around]...

In short:


False flag: Definitely!


Fake bombing and injuries: NO!

[Hervé]

I double Paul's statement above, and I add that with the following preposition it is quite tricky to judge things objectively.

"Why would a life-loving marathoner, seeking to get high on second winds, want to commit suicide by detonating a bomb while being right in front of it? Never mind the sweat and finger prints on the alleged device to be fine combed by the CSI folks... not very smart IMO."

[...]

Setting up viewers with a "detonator" is objective?

[ThePythonicCow]

Lt Col. Potter summarized the gist of the situation with different factions shooting each others' feet and theirs as well.

The FBI got short circuited when the younger brother was read his Miranda rights in the hospital, that is, they got bypassed by some other agency.

My beef is with this kind of statement:


whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not.... since it leaves the psyop fully operating by maintaining a doubt that it was at all real:
There may be another risk that we run here. It is a hole that I know well, as I've spent years digging a quite similar hole myself on the topic of 9/11, debating thermite versus directed energy, the free fall acceleration of building parts, and other such technical topics.

By so energetically insisting on getting the details of the injuries correct, to the point of insisting that others recognize that the blood and bombs were real before being willing to consider in depth the underlying motives and dynamics of the situation, one gives the cover of distraction to what I'll wager are the more important aspects of this psyops.

Hmm... that last sentence was too long. In other words, even if the blood and bombs were totally faked, the more important aspects of the psyops persist. One of these more important aspects might include shifting the predominant impression of Czechnians in the minds of Americans from "duh - where's that" to "radical bastards over there."

The way I read your words, Amzer Zo, the specifics of the bombs, blood and injuries and of whether they were real or faked is the essential core of the psyops, and a correct understanding of these specifics must be obtained before considering other secondary aspects of this event.

I disagree with that reading.

I am confident that the essential motives of this psyops, like so many others, lay at more strategic levels. I am confident that the bastards in power could have run this operation either way, with a bucket of paint and some actors, or with real blood and guts, and still advanced their strategic objectives.

I would suggest that it furthers the interests of at least some of these bastards when we say, in essence:



No, no, no -- we can't talk in detail and substance about who was really doing this and what they were really trying to accomplish and how this event fits in the larger schemes and history of human affairs until we first completely agree that the blood, pain, injuries and deaths were real. We must keep coming back to those details in gory detail until we all agree on that, for that is the essence of this psyops.
I do not think that is the essence. Rather it can all too easily distract from the essence.

Such a position risks being just another form of "Do not question what really happened here, for it dishonors those who died or lost limbs here." We best honor the dead by insuring that they did not die in vain.

Do you have more thoughts on the underlying motives and identities of the perpetrators, and how this fits in the larger scheme of things, beyond just a passing and rather dismissive comment on the evidence of some apparent infighting between the FBI and some "other" unspecified agency?

[Muzz]

Joseph Farrell gives his take on this in a recent Red Ice Radio interview -

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/05/RIR-130502.php

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[ Mod-edit: Here's the Red Ice summary of this first hour of their interview with Joseph P. Farrell:




In the first hour we begin on the Boston Marathon bombings and what appears to an internal Gladio Operation with a huge geopolitical agenda, which could be spun in a variety of ways. Then, we’ll discuss Putin’s clash with the world government agenda. Later, Joseph talks about hidden conflicts and the creation of a breakaway civilization by the Nazis. He discusses the advanced technology that they took with them at the end of the war and psychological war that they waged for decades on America and NATO. He’ll talk about how our system is based on stolen gold. Farrell explains why he thinks technology has moved into an entirely new ball game.
-- added by Paul. ]

[ThePythonicCow]

Joseph Farrell gives his take on this in a recent Red Ice Radio interview
My notes on Farrell's comments on the Boston marathon bombing:

The military lock down of a major city over one suspect is unprecedented.
The timing of the bombing at the same time as the attack on the price of gold is suspicious.
The Russians had warned the FBI of these brothers for some time, so there is prior knowledge.
Such drills are commonly used to kick off some Gladio-style operation.
It is positive and interesting that the suspicion of this operation was so wide spread and immediate.
This op may have been in part throwing a bone to Russia (daemonizing Czechens) in return for their letting us (the US and/or Israel) attack Syria.
Putin is a Russian nationalist and member of the Russian Orthodox church.
This Boston marathon bombing could have huge geopolitical reprecussions.
Strange that the Israel involvement, with medical help and bomb sniffing dogs, is strange.
Other rumors of CIA involvement with the suspect bombers families.
That such conflicting and/or obfuscating stories are coming out is a clear sign of an operation.
Escalating US domestic terrorism might be a covert agenda behind the US immigration problems.

[Hervé]

[...]

By so energetically insisting on getting the details of the injuries correct, to the point of insisting that others recognize that the blood and bombs were real before being willing to consider in depth the underlying motives and dynamics of the situation, one gives the cover of distraction to what I'll wager are the more important aspects of this psyops.

Hmm... that last sentence was too long. In other words, even if the blood and bombs were totally faked, the more important aspects of the psyops persist. One of these more important aspects might include shifting the predominant impression of Czechnians in the minds of Americans from "duh - where's that" to "radical bastards over there."

The way I read your words, Amzer Zo, the specifics of the bombs, blood and injuries and of whether they were real or faked is the essential core of the psyops, and a correct understanding of these specifics must be obtained before considering other secondary aspects of this event.

[...]

Such a position risks being just another form of "Do not question what really happened here, for it dishonors those who died or lost limbs here." We best honor the dead by insuring that they did not die in vain.

Do you have more thoughts on the underlying motives and identities of the perpetrators, and how this fits in the larger scheme of things, beyond just a passing and rather dismissive comment on the evidence of some apparent infighting between the FBI and some "other" unspecified parties?

... :



[...]

[...]

I guess I should have specified the comment to be addressed to the individuals who keep seeing the bombing site as a movie set, contrary to the graphic evidence as in "real bodies got really chopped up in there" (that's the "actual, factual reality" I was talking about...), just to maintain distractions and misdirections over something deadly serious... my bad.

Nothing against digging into the bigger picture that's behind this event and its occurrence.

PS:
Beware of psyops artists making you see things that aren't there... (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209)<---) ... as I called it in post # 464 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664758&viewfull=1#post664758).


Paul,

I gather that you have been, along with many others, misreading my intent right from start and reading words I haven't written (i.e. putting words in my mouth).

But, to clarify, in this thread, I mostly am addressing one single point:
The fake bombing/actors/movie set is only ONE of the psyops played in this multiple tests ground (and there are multiple psyops being run in parallel as well as in Russian dolls structures).

It is the one I am addressing in this thread in accordance with the thread's title.

That particular psyop is of utter significance as a template since it is designed to make people see something that isn't there (even if it was the brainchild of a sole creative individual not tied to any agency directly or via brain heterodyning).

Its yield, in terms of social engineering, is to check how many people will run with that ball... quite many.

The only thing I am insisting on is for anyone to take a real good look at the raw, factual, actual data. I quit a long time ago (since the Elenin threads) in trying to convince "believers" as no amount of real data or evidence can ever do that.

There is also a certain responsibility with respect to PA and its "Quality over quantity" as well as the "noise to signal ratio reduction" mottos to present data in countering wild speculations/assumptions; not to convince "believers," but to present actual research dots to PA's readers of which 45,000 have been viewing this thread.

In my opinion, your last paragraph deserves the start of a few new threads where that particular angle can be addressed as I stated way back when:


[...]


This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

Therefore, the actual content and substance and meaning of the hooking idea is irrelevant. A retired propaganda operative once told me, “If I could broadcast a piece of absolute gibberish from one end of the planet to the other, and have it picked up and consented to, I would do it.”

For a psyop specialist, the jackpot is a large group of hooked ideas that, taken together, change the world, and bring a billion or more people’s realities into one overlapping space.

[...][...]

Here comes the first piece of a psyop, witting or unwitting -- that is, promoter or victim of said psyop--, with respect to the thread's title: questions were answered with substantiated evidence:



a real bomb that blasted double-paneled windows either on its blast pressure wave or on its vacuum generated back-flow wave
real people, not actors. Jeff Bauman being the main focus
real injuries, not applied make-up or prosthetic
real dead bodies
all the above captured within [5] seconds [...] from the bomb blast

[...]

The other unanswered questions as well as the usual, customary government's psyops? Well, what about their own threads?

As for myself, I am done with this thread. [ooops... I lied]

All the data necessary to make sense of the apparent inconsistencies have already been posted and the only thing I can now do is encourage anyone to read the content of the thread and understand what's there.

Although I am not always successful at it, I'll keep striving to do my best with sticking to PA's mottos:



Quality over quantity with the aim of increasing the signal to noise ratio

[TargeT]

One of these more important aspects might include shifting the predominant impression of Czechnians in the minds of Americans from "duh - where's that" to "radical bastards over there."

Aren't they also throwing in "muslim" pretty heavily with that... thus leveraging the *YEARS* of built up psyops against Islam and applying it to Czechnians.(which fits very nicely with the WW3 predicions from the masons etc... especially with Israel involved)

[Fred Steeves]

I would suggest that it furthers the interests of at least some of these bastards when we say, in essence:



No, no, no -- we can't talk in detail and substance about who was really doing this and what they were really trying to accomplish and how this event fits in the larger schemes and history of human affairs until we first completely agree that the blood, pain, injuries and deaths were real. We must keep coming back to those details in gory detail until we all agree on that, for that is the essence of this psyops.
I do not think that is the essence. Rather it can all too easily distract from the essence.


That's precisely why I allow myself to get sucked into these events, up to a certain point. Enough to know something stinks to high heaven, but then to begin backing off. Of course the nitty gritty details of how 9/11 was accomplished are a prime example of attention being averted from the purpose behind the overall event, and towards endless rabbit holes. Not seeing the forest through the trees so to speak.

We are all guilty of this to varying degrees, but me just thinks it's a good thing to keep in the back of our minds as we continue to traverse this mine field.

[ThePythonicCow]

I gather that you have been, along with many others, misreading my intent right from start and reading words I haven't written (i.e. putting words in my mouth).
The following words were from "your mouth":





My beef is with this kind of statement:


whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not.... since it leaves the psyop fully operating by maintaining a doubt that it was at all real:
Those words, as best as I can read them, do object to putting aside discussions of whether or not the bombs were real, not on account of your reading of this thread's title, but on account of it supporting (by allowing to persist inadequately challenged) what you consider to be the psyop here.


It is the one I am addressing in this thread in accordance with the thread's title.
I gather that because the word "explosions" is in this thread's title, that therefore you consider it the proper subject of this thread to focus on the explosions (hmmm ... the word "blood" is not in the title; should we avoid discussing the bloody consequences of those explosions?).

I have considered all along this thread to be the main "Boston marathon bombing" thread, the clearing house for all aspects of this event, both in the detail of what happened that day, and its meaning in the larger scheme of things.

I will take this opportunity, in a few minutes, to change the thread title :).


In my opinion, your last paragraph deserves the start of a few new threads where that particular angle can be addressed
We can have that discussion on this thread, and even those who have some different view of the actual bombs, explosions and victim injuries than you do, or who haven't taken a clear position on those aspects yet, are welcome to participate in discussing other aspects of this event and its larger significance, on this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

One of these more important aspects might include shifting the predominant impression of Czechnians in the minds of Americans from "duh - where's that" to "radical bastards over there."

Aren't they also throwing in "muslim" pretty heavily with that... thus leveraging the *YEARS* of built up psyops against Islam and applying it to Czechnians.(which fits very nicely with the WW3 predicions from the masons etc... especially with Israel involved)
Yes, they are.

I should have said "more radical muslim bastards over there."

[Hervé]

[...]
The following words were from "your mouth":




My beef is with this kind of statement:


whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not.... since it leaves the psyop fully operating by maintaining a doubt that it was at all real:Those words, as best as I can read them, do object to putting aside discussions of whether or not the bombs were real, not on account of your reading of this thread's title, but on account of it supporting (by allowing to persist inadequately challenged) what you consider to be the psyop here.

I am not objecting to have a look at the overall context, what I am objecting to is the dismissive statement regarding the issue because it perpetuates the "maybe it's all fake" psyop.

It is not the psyop,

[...]

Paul,

I gather that you have been, along with many others, misreading my intent right from start and reading words I haven't written (i.e. putting words in my mouth).

But, to clarify, in this thread, I mostly am addressing one single point:
The fake bombing/actors/movie set is only ONE of the psyops played in this multiple tests ground (and there are multiple psyops being run in parallel as well as in Russian dolls structures).

[...]

... but the one that I consider important as a template for the next false flag where I could imagine a real event palmed off as a "drill" and all staged on a movie set... similar to many an abductee's recount of being told by their ET "friends" that "it's not real, it's all faked" when viewing bodies being chopped up to pieces.


[...]

I will take this opportunity, in a few minutes, to change the thread title :).

[...]

Your right and privilege to pull the rug from underneath my virtual feet.

[Akasha]

Amzer: would you care to re-comment on the video I shared in post 784 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669753&viewfull=1#post669753) in light of what I shared in post 815 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=670373&viewfull=1#post670373)?.

It seems your initial hasty dismissal of it was at the expense of comprehending the difference between right and left which, frankly and especially in your case, I find rather perplexing.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am not objecting to have a look at the overall context, what I am objecting to is the dismissive statement regarding the issue because it perpetuates the "maybe it's all fake" psyop.

It is not the psyop,
Well, the words "the psyop" were your words :).

Let me make one thing clear here. It is acceptable to me on this thread for other member to explicitly put aside the issue of whether the blood and bombs were fake or real, and to focus instead on other aspects of this event.

Please do not continue to cram two screen fulls of the same bloody images in our face every time someone does that, demanding that your view must not be ignored.

Consider the possibility that when someone says "whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not", they are perhaps not dismissing you, your focus, your contribution here, the importance of what you focus on, or the correctness of your position.

Perhaps they are just choosing to make a comment on some other aspect of this event, a comment which they judge would apply regardless of whether the bombs and blood were real or not.



I will take this opportunity, in a few minutes, to change the thread title :).
Your right and privilege to pull the rug from underneath my virtual feet.

I'm not trying to pull the rug out from under your feet; your analysis of the bombing and its immediate physical effects has probably been the best here.

Let's let others have some room on the rug too.

Thanks.

[Hervé]

I am not objecting to have a look at the overall context, what I am objecting to is the dismissive statement regarding the issue because it perpetuates the "maybe it's all fake" psyop.

It is not the psyop, [...]

Let me make one thing clear here. It is acceptable to me on this thread for other member to explicitly put aside the issue of whether the blood and bombs were fake or real, and to focus instead on other aspects of this event.


[...]

Consider the possibility that when someone says "whether the actual bombs and blood were real or not", they are perhaps not dismissing you, your focus, your contribution here, the importance of what you focus on, or the correctness of your position.

Perhaps they are just choosing to make a comment on some other aspect of this event, a comment which they judge would apply regardless of whether the bombs and blood were real or not.



I have no idea why you keep putting an overlay of me dismissing others' wanting to concentrate on other aspects of the event which turns the whole thing into a strawman argument. It really does boggle my mind since I never wrote such a thing.

I have no qualms about others debating other more important issues surrounding that event and dismissing the bombings themselves.

However, when such are prefixed with a whether the blood and bombs were fake or real; it demonstrates, basically, that the psyop has worked out beautifully since the doubt is carried on, buried at the very basis of anything else investigated about that event.

Being open minded is one thing, dismissing evidence in favor of a fable is another and doesn't bode well for the results coming out of the discernment department activities.

[Hervé]

Amzer: would you care to re-comment on the video I shared in post 784 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669753&viewfull=1#post669753) in light of what I shared in post 815 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=670373&viewfull=1#post670373)?.

It seems your initial hasty dismissal of it was at the expense of comprehending the difference between right and left which, frankly and especially in your case, I find rather perplexing.

... :



[...]
What are your thoughts on the missing pinky frame other than the notion that it can't be correct because of the previous photos?

Similar artifact as for his right hand showing only three fingers on some frames (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes).

It was due to that very unclear and fuzzy frame that I went on the hunt for a clearer picture showing his left hand. Hadn't I found it, everyone would be stuck with the Nick Vogt psyop.

Does that answer your question?

[ThePythonicCow]

I have no idea why you keep putting an overlay of me dismissing others' wanting to concentrate on other aspects of the event which turns the whole thing into a strawman argument. It really does boggle my mind since I never wrote such a thing.
I wasn't saying you were dismissing others. I was saying you were complaining of others dismissing you ... as in this:

However, when such are prefixed with a whether the blood and bombs were fake or real; it demonstrates, basically, that the psyop has worked out beautifully since the doubt is carried on, buried at the very basis of anything else investigated about that event.

Being open minded is one thing, dismissing evidence in favor of a fable is another and doesn't bode well for the results coming out of the discernment department activities.
Whether or not the bombs and blood were real is not "the very basis" (the one and only singular basis) of this event. That is not "the" (one and only) psyop in play here.

There are other aspects of this event that are also important to consider, regardless of the mechanics used that day.

The daemonizing of Chzechans to the American public, the (literal) smoke screen for the parallel hit job run on the paper gold market, the quid pro quo with Russia opening the door for escalating the conflict with Syria, the military lock down of a major US city in the name of "Homeland Security", the importing of Gladio style tactics to the US, ... all of these topics and no doubt more are worthy of our consideration, regardless of the mechanics used that day.

There is a fundamental difference between saying your work is important (it is!), and saying your work is singularly important (the essential basis for any further analysis - it isn't.)

[InCiDeR]

I am not positive if this have anything to do with Boston Bombings or not, but maybe or maybe not. Anyway I post it here, so moderators please feel free to move this post if you believe it doesn't belong here!

Russia, US Agree To International Syria Talks


Russia and the US will hold a new international conference later this month in an attempt to push the Assad regime and Syrian opposition into talks on a political transition.

The two countries agreed on the need to convene talks "as soon as possible" and said they would aim to build on a transition plan set out last year in Geneva.

Speaking after talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin and other officials, US Secretary of State John Kerry said that plan "should not be a piece of paper", but rather "the roadmap" for peace.

Mr Kerry, who arrived in Moscow on Tuesday for crucial talks aimed at shifting Russia's stance on Syria, said the goal is still to bring the Assad regime and opposition representatives together for talks on an interim government.


Mr Kerry and Mr Putin sit across from each other inside the Kremlin
The Geneva plan was an agreement in June last year on the need for a transitional government in Syria, but the opposing sides have disagreed on how to implement it, and critically as to whether Syrian President Bashar al Assad would need to step down first.

In his first visit to Russia since becoming Secretary of State, Mr Kerry emphasised the need for the two countries to work together on the issue and insisted they shared common ground.

He said: "The United States believes that we share some very significant common interests with respect to Syria: Stability in the region, not having extremists creating problems throughout the region and elsewhere."

For his part, Mr Putin reportedly kept Mr Kerry waiting three hours for their meeting at the Kremlin, fiddled with his pen while his guest spoke, and made no mention of Syria in his own public remarks.


Israel has played down reports of air attacks against Syria
Russia has vetoed three UN Security Council resolutions proposing sanctions on the regime and remains emphatically opposed to any suggestion of military intervention in the conflict.

Its Foreign Ministry expressed serious concerns on Monday at what Moscow said were signs that international public opinion was being prepared for the possibility of armed intervention and said it was examining reported Israeli air strikes near Damascus on May 3 and 5.

Russia has warned that further military action in the country could destabilise the region, and pointed to claims that Syrian rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin against civilians in the country.

Mr Kerry's visit coincides with the first anniversary of Mr Putin's return to the Kremlin, in a year that has seen relations between the two countries strained on a number of fronts, not least US criticism of Russia's record on human rights.

But the US Secretary of State said the two countries could co-operate on other issues, and that Mr Obama was looking forward to a planned meeting with the Russian leader at the G8 summit next month.

Mr Kerry said: "He (Mr Obama) is looking forward to seeing you on the side of the G8 in Ireland and would reiterate that there are many issues, economic, economic cooperation, the challenges of North Korea, Iran, Syria and many other issues on which he believes that we could cooperate very significantly."

Mr Putin did not mention Syria in his televised remarks, but talked in general terms about the need to work together.


Unverified video purportedly showing explosions in Damascus
He said: "We recently had a substantial phone conversation with President Obama. And we had an opportunity to discuss many aspects of our relations.

"I think it is very important that our key ministries, our foreign ministries and agencies, work together to resolve the acutest issues of the modern world."

Gone was the optimistic talk of a "re-set" in US-Russian relations that characterised the American approach to the Kremlin during Barack Obama's first term.

In its place seems to have emerged a more pragmatic approach to the areas of common interest between the two countries, not least counter-terrorism in the wake of the Boston bombings.

Sergei Markov, a former United Russia member of parliament, now vice-chancellor of Plekhanov Russian University of Economics, told Sky News the visit was an opportunity to improve relations between the pair.

He said: "At the moment Russian-American relations are very bad, but both presidents do want to improve the situation. This is a new stage.

"The fact that the Secretary of State is meeting the president is not unusual - the secretary is a messenger of the president, so it is really is a dialogue between presidents."

But Mr Markov warned the chances of a breakthrough on Syria were slim.

He said: "There are very small chances to reach a deal on Syria, because there are too many contradictions in their positions.

"Russia has military interests in Syria: it has a military base there and several arms contracts. The US seems to have found the only country with which we have a good relationship in the region - there are countries with a worse democratic record in the region - why doesn’t the US meddle in their internal politics?

"Russia opposes the changing of regimes by force. If the US changes the regime in Syria, they might want to do the same with Iran, and then who is next, Belarus? Russia doesn't want this."

Source (http://news.sky.com/story/1087825/russia-us-agree-to-international-syria-talks)

EDIT:I always find it very interesting and strange when "the big" countries decide to meet and discuss what to do with some "third country", without the "third country" being represented in the meeting. It is like my two neighbours would discuss what to do with me without me knowing about their meeting or invite me to it to have my say. That is pretty arrogant in my opinion.

[Akasha]

Similar artifact as for his right hand showing only three fingers on some frames (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes).

Does that answer your question?

Absolutely. Apologies. I overlooked that sentence. Once again, sorry.

[Slorri]

Some excellent points made in this here video: Show us the two amputees together!
g4-XeSFTcCo

[InCiDeR]

Some excellent points made in this here video: Show us the two amputees together!...

Here is an interview with Jeff Bauman (or at least they say it is Jeff Bauman) which I posted earlier. No video interview though!

#720 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=667218&viewfull=1#post667218)


Lets go down the rabbit hole again, shall we:

Father whose son lost both legs only knew he was hurt when he saw picture on the news... then came call from step-daughter saying ‘Jeffrey got hurt’



Jeff Bauman Sr spent an hour calling son's cell when he heard bomb news
His step-daughter Erika rang to tell him Jeff Jr, 27, had been badly hurt
Horrified father raced to hospital to hear his son had lost both legs at knee
Doctors treating the injured say they're confident no more lives will be lost
Medics are dealing with head injuries, broken bones and amputations
Surgeon said 'sickest thing' he saw was nails sticking out of girl's body


...[Here comes the interesting part]Mr Bauman Sr was told his son had already had both legs amputated at the knee, and had to be resuscitated and given blood several times during surgery because he had lost so much blood...

Source/Read more (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310384/Boston-bombing-2013-Jeff-Bauman-Senior-knew-son-hurt-saw-photo-news.html)

The article in itself have a couple of statements from different doctors talking about what kind of injuries they treated.

Are they all on the payroll from government?
Are they actors?
Or do the journalist lie?
Or could it be that the doctors really treated injured people from the bombings?


Here is the confusing part though:

Many have wondered why Jeff Bauman on the photos from the bombings doesn't seem to have lost any blood.

There have been some explanation regarding this in this thread, mainly that a body can in fact react like this when caused severe trauma.

So when did he lose all this blood? (or did Jeff Bauman Sr misunderstand the information given to him? or maybe the journalist lie?!)

I will not repost the graphic pictures, but could it be the blood shown in this pictures #767 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=668999&viewfull=1#post668999)


If all and everyone lies, they must have a good script, otherwise they will get lost in their own lies...

[ThePythonicCow]

I am not positive if this have anything to do with Boston Bombings or not, but maybe or maybe not. Anyway I post it here, so moderators please feel free to move this post if you believe it doesn't belong here!

Russia, US Agree To International Syria Talks
My guess, based on reading such analysts as Sibel Edmonds, is that this has a lot to do with the Boston marathon bombings. In short, it seems that the US is now willing to support Russia's fighting "terrorism" in Chechnya, and Russia is now willing to support (or at least tolerate) the US and Israel forcing regime change in Syria.

[TargeT]

doublepost *delete*

[TargeT]

Some excellent points made in this here video: Show us the two amputees together!
g4-XeSFTcCo

Pretty good video, especially the footage where there was a slight pause & some activity with the wheel chair before the "famous" photo's were taken.. I hadn't noticed before that his hands are always on his legs, it does seem a bit odd now.




...[Here comes the interesting part]Mr Bauman Sr was told his son had already had both legs amputated at the knee, and had to be resuscitated and given blood several times during surgery because he had lost so much blood...

Source/Read more (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310384/Boston-bombing-2013-Jeff-Bauman-Senior-knew-son-hurt-saw-photo-news.html)

The article in itself have a couple of statements from different doctors talking about what kind of injuries they treated.

Are they all on the payroll from government?
Are they actors?
Or do the journalist lie?
Or could it be that the doctors really treated injured people from the bombings?[/quote]

I'm still of a mindset that there were probably real injuries, but I highly question the ones we see in the news.

as far as the article with "statements" from different doctors, well I can write one of those with out talking to anyone.... so can you, unless there is some source checking done we'll never know if it's all just a fictional story put in an article format to look legit or if it's infact real.



Here is the confusing part though:

Many have wondered why Jeff Bauman on the photos from the bombings doesn't seem to have lost any blood.

There have been some explanation regarding this in this thread, mainly that a body can in fact react like this when caused severe trauma.

So when did he lose all this blood? (or did Jeff Bauman Sr misunderstand the information given to him? or maybe the journalist lie?!)

I will not repost the graphic pictures, but could it be the blood shown in this pictures #767 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=668999&viewfull=1#post668999)


If all and everyone lies, they must have a good script, otherwise they will get lost in their own lies...

It's possible for your body in a shocked state to slow bleeding pretty significantly, but not as postulated in this thread or shown by the photographic evidence, there should be a visibile blood trail, especially with the abnormally bright blood (or camera's that made it look so) we saw that day. The lives lost in bombing events over seas are due to blood loss almost every time. Its so bad that we now have reversed our Combat Life Saver (CLS) courses to state that you tourniquet first, you don't even try to apply pressure to a wound anymore to stop bleeding (unless a tourniquet is not possible, which it almost always is with limb injury).

So, despite the very good arguments to the contrary I still see a high level of doubt present, especially with the retarded (and delayed) wheel chair evacuation of a very possibly not-in-shock "Jeff Bauman".

[Slorri]

...
Here is an interview with Jeff Bauman (or at least they say it is Jeff Bauman) which I posted earlier. No video interview though!

#720 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=667218&viewfull=1#post667218)

...

Yes. But a telephone interview with Jeff is not the same as seeing Both Jeff and the war veteran side by side in a video. The war veteran amputees did visit Boston according to what was said.

That would be a sight. Two identical looking double amputees side by side.
And now that we have said it, it might not be long until we see it.

[Slorri]

Boston Marathon Bombing - Actor late for work
firi2a6FeZA

Notice in this video, obviously in the vicinity of the first pop-place, no windows broken, LensCrafters sign intact, one person sitting by the wall in blue jeans and light grey hood, no-one is injured here. The elderly woman in red walks in to the scene where she is later found sitting down amongst the injured.

Edit:
We can locate where the person stood who took this footage. It's right by the US flag in the line of flags. Just a couple of steps down from where the group of injured were. She just missed the tumbler (the one runner who caught the water bottle and tumbled), but she caught the three wheeled chair.

[Hervé]

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2piUb6Mn13KTsVOGCvkFw5clcSSLbVJKXgyFZlvqCGERrlZRBy_gfE_cUmjKqsZbiaxWFpTgHYzBoC9IRl-RTsRzKCYLS51EzI_989fQ6bZA5uPILZIacZag7n7GaVu4BS/Boston%20%231-163b.jpg?psid=1

[InCiDeR]

Boston Marathon Bombing - Actor late for work
firi2a6FeZA

Notice in this video, obviously in the vicinity of the first pop-place, no windows broken, LensCrafters sign intact, one person sitting by the wall in blue jeans and light grey hood, no-one is injured here. The elderly woman in red walks in to the scene where she is later found sitting down amongst the injured.

Edit:
We can locate where the person stood who took this footage. It's right by the US flag in the line of flags. Just a couple of steps down from where the group of injured were. She just missed the tumbler (the one runner who caught the water bottle and tumbled), but she caught the three wheeled chair.


Here we have same video, a bit longer and without the slow motion and the audio still intact:

271mWThTjd8

Funny, how same video can awake two different feelings/mindset depending how you present it!

EDIT: Maybe they aren't same video...I have to take a closer look I believe

EDIT 2: As far as I can see both videos are from same source. In my opinion, you will be able to get anyone to look calm if you just take a frozen frame from a video...

[Hervé]

Nothing more than a piece of paper or cardboard blown along the ground like a leaf... it is behind her arm when starting to be visible not in her hand -- that is, on the ground behind her -- the veteran runner didn't try to catch anything since it was skidding on the ground behind him and can be seen as an upright dark square at is feet (when rolling over) before falling flat and be seen as a white piece of paper/card board/banner again.

But to see that, one would have to get the original video that piece of creative cr... err composition is concocted from (under the "see more (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teeZD_tnBAw)") and go frame by frame through the slow motion segment.

[...]



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p-RWBEPC27TUSKiUpwImN2UKmD8wA03uCRAxWj8PBeyu3TP8xrSayV8v09aLOwq_pAcRsdfVEZFibw_jSbX2A-GkQUVrp9jHgkHd-ZbH1cbXKfTaGfHVCPx0OYrSEwSuQ/Boston%20%231-004.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pLkZJBL4_792tMUdCOJUJ4NNe60nSRjGpzv7Ev4I1tldHTMyu7UbpblLBEJkbeTv0CbTiW7gZHKnJIk0qPYTpfmgg-B8iH9yY6iZCcPq9OOPz6BtcyS9Nhe47WA2qkq3I/Boston%20%231-003aa.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2ptXfwQYrE16g7VLdnsWAlTAECyJDePE2mibabZHKJktk_-hVfMyBlTzl4Ld-rC4XuwNudIVNzoq3UQnejpawEWwOy1fMc4azIj_bp5wziSxWYFpCRNbmMrDGd3sWdg16n/Boston%20%231-003ba.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pBVhCUzbEMAX2HzmZ1FSMJK_BjSsXKFI04uGN7qpegpqootFYmPBN4sHEo8WFHsCIDO3FeeMD28ZOas3blUMTsGek9HtIufPl4 MXcH5mAtbPw-IBBA8Dwyl2eMV5rFkKL/Boston%20%231-003ca.jpg?psid=1

No bottle of water found either, under any other angle.


Kenavo!

[InCiDeR]

They tried to take him alive yes?

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2997/boat2e.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/boat2e.jpg/)

[InCiDeR]

If you are interested, here are the "Criminal Complaint Against Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/138929622/138928869-Criminal-Complaint-Against-Azamat-Tazhayakov-and-Dias-Kadyrbayev-pdf)

The document also content a summary of the timeline for the bombings and also surveillance evidence against the brothers.

Quite interesting read in my opinion!


EDIT: An evidence photograph showing fireworks recovered in a backpack at a landfill in New Bedford, Mass.
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/989/evidence1y.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/evidence1y.jpg/)

Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/us/Boston-bombing-suspects-planned-july-fourth-attack.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp&)



Federal law enforcement officials are sharpening their focus on the widow of the dead suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing after finding al-Qaeda’s Inspire magazine and other radical Islamist material on her computer, according to law enforcement officials.

The probe of the computer belonging to Katherine Russell, 24, widow of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, is part of the effort by investigators to determine whether Russell knew anything about the April 15 bombing plot or helped her husband and his brother, Dzhokhar, hide from authorities, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation.

Officials have concluded that fingerprints and female DNA found on fragments of the pressure-cooker bombs do not match Russell’s, but they say they are continuing to investigate...

Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/investigators-sharpen-focus-on-boston-bombing-suspects-widow/2013/05/03/a2cd9d28-b413-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story.html?hpid=z1)


On Saturday, Boston Marathon victim, Jeff Bauman, served the role as a fan banner captain for NHL team in TD Garden:
Video (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669287)

Hmmm... amazing recovery I must say...


Who Is Graham Fuller?
ZlFhBrMaMsc

[Akasha]

21367

After explosion but no coat or visible injury to face or left hand

21368

Ditto

21369

Wearing black coat now plus black handbag and appearing injured

(click photos to enlarge them)

[ThePythonicCow]

Who Is Graham Fuller?
ZlFhBrMaMsc
An important piece of this puzzle, in my view, and well presented by James Corbett.

[ThePythonicCow]

Wearing black coat now plus black handbag and appearing injured
I am not sure if this is the same woman or not.

The injured woman in the wheel chair appears to have a small earing on the bottom of her right ear. The uninjured woman definitely has no such earing. However the earing is just a couple of pixels of more golden color, so that is quite unconclusive.

The uninjured woman's nose appears to be shorter, straighter, with uplifted nostrils, whereas the injured woman in the wheel chair appears to have a nose that thinner in the top half and more pronounced in the bottom half.

The uninjured woman's lips appear thin, of minimal color, with the lower lip more receding than the upper lip. The injured woman in the wheel chair appears to have fuller lips with a more pronounced, redder, lower lip.

None of this is conclusive :).

[ThePythonicCow]

On Saturday, Boston Marathon victim, Jeff Bauman, served the role as a fan banner captain for NHL team in TD Garden:
Video (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669287)

Hmmm... amazing recovery I must say...

This Jeff Bauman definitely has all ten fingers, including both pinkie fingers.

[Hervé]

~ 1 minute before blast:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2po2vW4Mohlb_vy_UctxJ-JgXerKNc36nuwS6HyXMBUEYJwmWwcd2y_-X6dVb1wL0Qj6I01euIU3yjjyqNHQpH2AjCNd2PMRhh1Rzh0U9K9Pf2F8HNv_Fu4YRUTww_CdsU/Boston%20%231-002-14-49a.jpg?psid=1



https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pwxi7GGvE9khfNO2StVULH9-DbE-eJjxAnlxbA4-6iZIWkts9RmGD1wehUVtBw7tnzm4FA5jfgEIdNvjvlu0abS2DTLwi2Jnajsds4U1jG78e1AkRQ93MVT8KE_ww1Nkl/Boston%20%231-024.jpg?psid=1



While that other lady is still walking around unscathed:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=21367&d=1368053242&thumb=1

[ThePythonicCow]

At 2 seconds past blash flash this lady is already shot down to the ground and her jacket left sleeve covering got heat-stripped, while that other lady is still walking around unscathed.
Well, if you were late for work to a CIA/Craft/AlCIAda/FBI sponsored event, you'd hurry too :).

[Slorri]

Gosh InCiDeR, so even that footage was available in high resolution!

It sure looks like the same video to me, we see the woman in red (seemingly) walking towards the scene.

[Slorri]

[CENTER]~ 1 minute before blast:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2po2vW4Mohlb_vy_UctxJ-JgXerKNc36nuwS6HyXMBUEYJwmWwcd2y_-X6dVb1wL0Qj6I01euIU3yjjyqNHQpH2AjCNd2PMRhh1Rzh0U9K9Pf2F8HNv_Fu4YRUTww_CdsU/Boston%20%231-002-14-49a.jpg?psid=1

...

Hmm... who could possibly have taken this picture?
Someone inside the LenCrafter's building, being interested in a random crowd, long, log after the first runners had finished the race?

The coverage of these individuals is unreal to the extent of it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

The camera man in the green coloured jacket is one sturdy fellow, he doesn't mind much any bombs going off nearby.

[Slorri]

Could this be the person taking that footage? It's his video.
Nicholas Salem (http://www.nicholassalem.com/)


Nicholas Salem
IT Professional
I am the IT director of WCI – Work, Community, Independence, a private non-profit agency that has provided homes, employment opportunities and community based day activities to people with a range of developmental and intellectual disabilities in the greater Boston Area.

I am a business-savvy professional with a career reflecting strong leadership, qualifications, coupled with vision, and dedicated leadership. My skills include the deployment of key IS/IT technologies including system design and integration, IT Coordination, desktop management, help desk architecture and data center management. I have diverse industry experience in both the private and public sectors that include medical, social supports, communications, hospitals, and non-profits.

[InCiDeR]

Could this be the person taking that footage? It's his video.
Nicholas Salem (http://www.nicholassalem.com/)

It could be, even though the photo seems to be taken from a higher place, like from a window in the surrounding buildings...


...The coverage of these individuals is unreal to the extent of it...
...so even that footage was available in high resolution!...

This is in my opinion the important question! Ever since day one it has amazed me how easy we were fed high resolution pictures and videos from every possible angle regarding this scene. It seemed almost deliberate to me.

I do understand that there are LOTS of cameras, cell phones and surveillance surrounding the finish line in Boston marathon... but why don't they focus on the finish line then?

Of course I don't know, and probably never will, if there are similar amount of photos covering the area across the street.

But this singular strangeness indicates that "they" knew beforehand that something was going to happen in this area.

---

In my personal view, this was real bombs with real injured people, but that doesn't mean I don't believe it was a false flag... because I do! Honestly I even believe the brothers did it, but they are patsies, covering a bigger picture that goes all the way to Russia over to Syria and finally lands in Iran.

Strengthen the "muslim/islam threat" towards western civilizations on its way and while at it also practice some martial law and build a ground for a future restriction when it comes to guns and even the freedom on internet.

As a bonus they were also able to train the effect of PsyOps, what works and what's not, and discredit the alternative media... so this was kind of an "All-in" if using Texas Hold'em terms

There are also some indications that a "power war" is going on between different cabal factions, and that might be good for the upcoming future... or totally devastating!

... well there you have it... my 2 cents! hahahaha

[Cidersomerset]

Related......A story from Davids site strange interview, or very large car park ?


CNN Is Beyond A Joke: Presenter and Reporter Hold Split-Screen Interview in Same
Parking Lot

Thursday, 09 May 2013 12:36
Posted by David Icke



'In a bizarre television and spatial anomaly on CNN this morning, the blanket
coverage of two true-crime stories led two news anchors to conduct an
odd "satellite" interview from the very same parking lot, background traffic and all.


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/static/img/upload/2013/05/07/Bus%20(1).jpg


The two suspects are Ashleigh Banfield of CNN and Nancy Grace of Headline News,
who were updating viewers on the latest from the ongoing and increasingly ugly
Cleveland kidnapping story. (Grace being TV's leading expert on deviant crime.) At
first it seems like a normal TV "remote," as Banfield interviews Grace from another
location. Then the channel's graphics alert viewers: both anchors are in Phoenix.
That's odd. Also: They're both outdoors, sitting in what looks to be a parking lot.
And is that same building behind them?'




Read more: CNN Is Beyond A Joke: Presenter and Reporter Hold Split-Screen
Interview in Same Parking Lot

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/8...me-parking-lot



Then things truly get bizarre. Watch the cars moving in the background of both shots:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/static/img/upload/2013/05/07/Truck2.gif

Did you see it? Watch the Nissan Xterra from Ashley's side enter on Nancy's:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/static/img/upload/2013/05/07/Truck1.gif

Okay, if you're still not seeing it, look for the moment when the same bus is in both shots.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/static/img/upload/2013/05/07/Truck3%20(1).gif

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...ing-lot/64965/


Operator has put up a thread on CNN

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58960-CNN-misleads-viewers--new-proof-again-&p=672100#post672100

===================================================

A very common political /media trick is that when on the road or doing TV
interviews they have a tiny group of party helpers from five to 10 .
This is from a recent by election so there is more supporters than usual.

http://www.independent.co.uk/migration_catalog/article5273409.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/miliband.jpeg

I've seen all the main parties when touring the country , they get
off the bus interview the candidate with plaquards placed strategically
behind them so on the TV it looks like a crowd, when in fact there
are only a handful of party activists. Which may only be minor
deception in some peoples eyes, but it is still false journalistic
perspective imo.

[Hervé]

[...]

Hmm... who could possibly have taken this picture?

[...]

The same dude who took those which ended up plastered all over the net... and commented:



Since yesterday's tragedy, I’ve been trying to separate what happened to me from what happened to a character in Hurt Locker or someone who made it out of the Twin Towers on 9/11. I want to know what actually happened to me and to the people that I love. I’m struggling with that. Today I was told that they found ball bearings throughout the office I was standing in, and that there are holes in the windows. I can't process that experience. I'm trying.


I was perched on a windowsill in the front office on the second floor at 667 Boylston Street, along with my other colleagues at marlo marketing/ communications (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=marlo+marketing+boston&ll=42.349821,-71.078606&spn=0.001467,0.002937&fb=1&gl=us&hq=marlo+marketing&hnear=0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0,Boston,+MA&cid=0,0,16637847677006738545&t=m&z=19&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=42.349721,-71.078749&panoid=mWFUUFdMYhYKhzRf0VPWdA&cbp=12,357.86,,0,1.29). I've marked the window in the photo below:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ktu8in19tqapng/ku-xlarge.png


This was my view of the immediate area of where the bomb went off. I took this photo at 10:53 a.m.:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ku22s096ytrjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg




This photo at 2:38 p.m.:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ku25mlsl1cijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg




And this photo at 2:49 p.m.:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ku3sdquntqfjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg



When I looked back outside, I saw blood everywhere. I saw somebody’s arm on the sidewalk with no body attached. Twelve seconds passed, or so I'm told, and then another (quieter, but still substantial) blast hit. I brought my head back inside and looked back at my coworkers in the room. Everyone seemed to be looking up at me. I had the best view, I guess, and people wanted me to say what to do.

[...]

"RUN!" I shouted. "We have to get out of here!" I think that's what I said. Maybe it was less urgent than that. Maybe it was more like: “I think we should get out of here. I think we should run.” I don’t know. But people started going to the back of the office building. I looked back out the window and saw that there was now a river of blood running from the bodies. There was so much blood. People were moving–squirming, writhing–in the blood. I held down the shutter and took more pictures. I don’t know why. And then I ran.

[Fred Steeves]

On Saturday, Boston Marathon victim, Jeff Bauman, served the role as a fan banner captain for NHL team in TD Garden:
Video (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669287)

Hmmm... amazing recovery I must say...


That's been nagging at me as well. While most of the spotlight has been focused on Jeff Bauman though, my wife and I were watching one of the major evening "news" programs barely 2 or so weeks after the bombing. They spotlighted a bombing victim, a freshly legless young woman in her hospital room, merrily showing off her rapid recovery by hopping from the bed and into a waiting wheelchair herself. Plop.

We both turned to each other like: "WOW"...

Is there something I've missed in our vast war experience of treating devastating battlefield wounds, that someone can now have both legs blown off, and then be rearing to go in just a couple or so weeks? There very well may be a logical explanation, but we would both certainly like to hear it.

[Hervé]

On Saturday, Boston Marathon victim, Jeff Bauman, served the role as a fan banner captain for NHL team in TD Garden:
Video (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669287)

Hmmm... amazing recovery I must say...

That's been nagging at me as well. While most of the spotlight has been focused on Jeff Bauman though, my wife and I were watching one of the major evening "news" programs barely 2 or so weeks after the bombing. They spotlighted a bombing victim, a freshly legless young woman in her hospital room, merrily showing off her rapid recovery by hopping from the bed and into a waiting wheelchair herself. Plop.

We both turned to each other like: "WOW"...

Is there something I've missed in our vast war experience of treating devastating battlefield wounds, that someone can now have both legs blown off, and then be rearing to go in just a couple or so weeks? There very well may be a logical explanation, but we would both certainly like to hear it.

There may not be a logical explanation... if, of course, you take "spirit" into account...

[InCiDeR]

On Saturday, Boston Marathon victim, Jeff Bauman, served the role as a fan banner captain for NHL team in TD Garden:
Video (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669287)

Hmmm... amazing recovery I must say...


That's been nagging at me as well. While most of the spotlight has been focused on Jeff Bauman though, my wife and I were watching one of the major evening "news" programs barely 2 or so weeks after the bombing. They spotlighted a bombing victim, a freshly legless young woman in her hospital room, merrily showing off her rapid recovery by hopping from the bed and into a waiting wheelchair herself. Plop.

We both turned to each other like: "WOW"...

Is there something I've missed in our vast war experience of treating devastating battlefield wounds, that someone can now have both legs blown off, and then be rearing to go in just a couple or so weeks? There very well may be a logical explanation, but we would both certainly like to hear it.

It puzzled me as well, Fred. After hearing victims stories on video, I gave them all the benefit of the doubt. How am I to valuate if "their feelings and recovery seems genuine" when I lack personal experience living in the U.S. and growing up there. So I feel I can not properly valuate their "cultural spirit" when I am biased by my own.

Therefore I will just post some interviews with the victims and doctors here:
(I will just give the links to spare some space)

16 april
http://youtu.be/UTl4GLvybt0
http://youtu.be/bry-cYQMAdo

22 april
http://youtu.be/RJ3z6T-WI7Q

23 april
http://youtu.be/w5zQgynwaI4

24 april
http://youtu.be/7mlj4C0Tcc0

25 april
http://youtu.be/JXNl3JWDMww
http://youtu.be/vQKAkbfaiGs


Doctors explain the injuries
http://youtu.be/fOqAtCFDHeI
http://youtu.be/QtGuDHGbdck

[sheddie]

Looking at those videos, I've seen bomb victims being interviewed in the past, their eyes look different .... hard to explain, I just didn't pick up any emotion in what they were describing. It is very hard to know what is going on here, I just don't get any emotion from these people, there seems to be an inner calm that wouldn't be there if they had just gone through such a terrible tragedy.

They are saying all the right things, I just don't believe them ...... there energy body is unaffected. Just my opinion obviously, thank you for all your updates everyone, very much appreciated.

:)

[Hervé]

Looking at those videos, I've seen bomb victims being interviewed in the past, their eyes look different .... hard to explain, I just didn't pick up any emotion in what they were describing. It is very hard to know what is going on here, I just don't get any emotion from these people, there seems to be an inner calm that wouldn't be there if they had just gone through such a terrible tragedy.

They are saying all the right things, I just don't believe them ...... there energy body is unaffected. Just my opinion obviously, thank you for all your updates everyone, very much appreciated.

:)

Thought about them being stuffed full of antidepressants/psychotropic drugs?

Here is the "advice" given to the dude whom I posted the now famous pictures and testimony above:


HookandLadder (http://hookandladder.kinja.com)Ben Levine

I was in Tower 2 on September 11th and I can tell you that while we were going down the stairs to get out, i was totally Ok. I remember myself thinking clearly. But now, my memories of actually getting out of the building are kind of fuzzy, almost like it was a dream. One thing I definitely do remember was thinking that thank god the buildings were so big because there was no way they would collapse. You are going to need some help sleeping for a while, TRUST me. I would suggest seeing a doctor about some sleeping pills. I had trouble sleeping literally for years after 9-11 4/16/13 5:15pm (http://deadspin.com/i-was-in-tower-2-on-september-11th-and-i-can-tell-you-t-473803544)

[Hervé]

From: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/09/homeland-security-blames-boston-on-public/



Homeland Security Blames Boston on Public


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ap_boston_suspects_02_mi_130419_ss_ssh-e1368145248286.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/09/homeland-security-blames-boston-on-public/ap_boston_suspects_02_mi_130419_ss_ssh/)


First Official Post Bombing Retrospectives Lead with the Outrageous Claim that the Public Should do More to Report Threats

… by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor (http://www.veteranstoday.com/staff-writers/) … with Press TV (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/06/302059/boston-security-failure-of-us-government/)

- First Published Monday, May 6th 2013 -


Homeland Security admits Boston security failure


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/12203081_h22015066_ssh-e1368145359620-320x226.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/09/homeland-security-blames-boston-on-public/12203081_h22015066_ssh/)
Yes, DHS wants us to turn people in before they do something. How much should we pay them for that idea…$1 billion?



That’s right folks. They do admit it, but with a twist. They admit that the public must do more to inform them of potential threats so they can then prevent future attacks.

You just can’t make this stuff up… but they surely can, and with no embarrassment either.

I know this seems hard to believe so I am going to jump into the quotes earlier than I usually do in a commentary.

We have Mr. John Cohen, principal deputy counter-terrorism coordinator at the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS), who by the way was once the Homeland Security adviser to Governor Mitt Romney.
“How do we take the knowledge that we have acquired looking at these events… so that communities are better able to recognize an emerging threat, irrespective of the motivation, and prevent the threat from materializing?”
I want to lay out the cover and deception that I described in previous articles always accompanies false flag attacks and wrap the rope around the necks of these people real tight. I will spring the trap door under them in the second half.

Boston, of course, has been the launching pad for the Boston bombing cover and deception. They are testing it out there first, and depending on the response (never much from a comatose public), they will rule it out nationally.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/MichaelChertoff.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/09/homeland-security-blames-boston-on-public/michaelchertoff-3/)
Michael Chertoff – who has made a lot of money off the War on Terror


There will NOT be a push by Homeland Security to analyze, discover, punish and fix, for example, the penetration of DHS by Israeli espionage which was wired in by Michael Chertoff.

He was put in after ex-New York City Giuliani’s bag man/driver, former police chief of the New York City, got caught taking payoffs which nixed his being put in as a puppet DHS director.

Bernie Kerik was probably the most unqualified DHS person in the country. But he was an experienced political fanny kisser, so he had been initially selected by the Bush gang of hoodlums as the perfect guy.

I remember they sent him to Iraq on a photo op tour where he was supposed to be teaching the Iraqi police how to do their job over there, like he could possibly know. Kerik became a laughing stock while he was there.

Here is the DHS key pitch… where with more training, could local community leaders have done a better job by alerting DHS. Obama is already in the wings, urging more community involvement. That is being set up as the ‘good cop’. The flip side of the coin, the ‘bad cop’, is more loss of our civil liberties through more invasive surveillance than is already upon us.

But that in itself is a cover and deception. They have already taken away our civil liberties and are planning to take more. The timing seems to revolve around getting enough terror attacks staged to fuel demands for more security. We have been here before.
As I have written in previous Press TV articles on Intel analysis you can often learn more by what is not said, than by what is. What is missing here is even a whiff that the Boston Marathon bombing was a huge security failure by letting two kettle bombs be walked right into the finish line area.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/The_Craft_Communications_Van-600-e1366824234898-320x263.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/09/homeland-security-blames-boston-on-public/the_craft_communications_van-600-e1366824234898-320x263/)
No one is officially asking what the Craft guys were doing, or not doing. It looks like they have better equipment than we do.


The DHS people seemed to not want their paychecks to bounce, but to keep on flowing with no one held accountable for the disaster.

We already have a national security fraud perpetrated on us by DHS when they never located any terrorist sleeper networks after 9-11.

The 5,000 or so suspects rounded up were released or deported on immigration or visa violations. They extended his courtesy even to the Israelis caught in New York City on 9-11.

Later the FBI had to justify its counter-terrorism budget with a string of scandalous sting operations where they hired a bunch of ex-cons and criminals to dupe patsies for them. Our judicial system added to the shame of it all by putting its stamp of approval on it all.

Meanwhile, back at the Fusion Center ranch, the word was out that with no foreign terrorists coming in that their jobs might be on the line if they did not find some new threats. So the DHS PR people brought domestic terrorism front and center as the new tool for government parasites to bilk the taxpayers out of more wasted security money.

This even included adding our War on Terror veterans as closet domestic terrorists. Boston did not escape this frenzy to find new threats so all the cops could stay in line to get their camo and special tactics team outfits. Ayanna Pressley, councilor-at-large of the Boston City Council tells us:
“…Last fall, the Massachusetts ACLU obtained, through a suit against the Boston Police Department, intelligence reports that designated peace activists as extremists.”
While Homeland Security was looking for potential dangers, gangs continued to rule areas of America’s cities. Israeli espionage is in its Golden Age now, having infiltrated and compromised not only our Congress and Justice Department but Homeland Security with Israeli contractors and their ‘friends’ knitted into the whole fabric. And yes, they are effectively not prosecutable.

But it gets worse. When those in their own ranks try to bring attention to huge security holes in their operations the DHS’s full resources are put upon them, wasting more taxpayer money chasing bogus ‘domestic’ security threats.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/TOP_PRIORITY_DVD_FRONT-204x300.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/09/homeland-security-blames-boston-on-public/top_priority_dvd_front-204x300/)
Julia Davis reported a Homeland Security failure to the FBI and was designated a domestic terrorist, at one point having 54 investigations going against her.


The Obama administration has done nothing about the story I am about to tell you, and our ‘free press’ has suppressed it. Even the famous investigative journalism show, 60 Minutes, never aired their interview with DHS officer/supervisor for Customs and Border Protection, Julia Davis, back in 2004.

Briefly, Ms. Davis got intelligence that 23 foreign visitors from terrorist watch list countries were going to be passing through one of our southern border crossing points when there was Intel chatter about a Fourth of July attack. The average at the time was only 5 to 10 of these entries a month.

When she passed the word up her chain of command she was told not to worry about it. She later found out that Border Intel authorities responsible for debriefing such people were attending a July 4th barbecue… taking the day off.

So being the good soldier that she was and honoring the oath of office that she took, she informed the FBI so someone would know that these people were all going to be passed through with no special interviews. She did not go outside the chain of command. She did her job.

DHS subsequently came down on her like a ton of bricks. To circumvent all of her constitutional rights they simply classified her as a ‘domestic terrorist’. That’s right folks, that’s exactly what they did, which meant DHS could do just about anything they wanted to her without needing to get warrants.

At the peak of the harassment she endured, DHS had 54 investigations ongoing at God only knows the cost to the taxpayers. Her home was raided with a Black Hawk helicopter and 27-man SWAT team, a larger force than that used on the bin Laden compound in Pakistan. She was arrested twice, imprisoned, and then completely cleared of any wrong doing.
In the lawsuit that followed, when DHS was asked why they had labeled her a domestic terrorist, they answered that she had made derogatory statements about DHS. That was it. I can’t think of a better silver bullet example of a government organization completely out of control and exceeding its authority.
Most of America knows nothing about Julia Davis, and that included me until a few days ago. She has a film coming out soon, so we will be hearing more. But I shared her incredible story with you as a mirror for this post Boston bombing spin we are now getting.

There will be no mention of an investigation of the obvious security failures at Boston, how they were built into the system. We know now what is coming… the community needs to do a better job, doing DHS’s job actually, because it seems it has a lot of top people out chasing Julia Davis type people for doing theirs.

We have some serious problems going on within DHS. That nothing is being done about the systemic ones is a clear indication that they have political protection that has covered them. There is a growing split in the intelligence community where one side is concerned that this situation itself is a major security threat. Yet, no mass media person will ever ask Obama at a press conference why he has done nothing about such an important branch of our government being under such a cloud.

Yes, there have been DHS corruption cases prosecuted with convictions, mainly for your usual bribes and pay-offs, but not a single case of busting up an espionage operation that I am aware of. That is a strong indication that whoever is running successful operations against us has partnered up with what we call, ‘protected entities’, almost always political people who are above prosecution.

[B]We are losing this aspect of the War on Terror. There is type of domestic terrorist which DHS does not seem to have any problems with. I will let you guess who/what that might be.

[JohnEAngel]

when comparing the Bauman photos and his amazing recovery, to the Nick guy, consider this. a lot of focus has been on his left hand pinky finger. yes, see? the recovered Bauman appears to have his left pinky intact. it is entirely possible that this may have been the result of Hollywood special effects. but this is just speculation and we will be speculating the BBM until the next false flag event, then we start over. :confused:

[Tangri]

Boston bombing suspects mother have been insist to have her son's body return her, for proper burial.

Last holding his body was prison hospital where they declared they do not have his body.
FBI respond was "local authorities have it ."
Mother's side(be aware not father's side) could not located the authority which possess the body.
Then suddenly they came up with the solution for mother's grieve.
Body was buried in unknown location.

If law protectors are criminal what is the solution to protect common people?

They are mess up so heavily which it's aftermath cleaning is going to be cause a chaos

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Then suddenly they came up with the solution for mother's grieve.
Body was buried in unknown location.

That is even more apauling but somehow less surprising then expecting a human response from Dick Cheneys plastic heart.

Poor mum:confused:

[Slorri]

...

And this photo at 2:49 p.m.:
[CENTER]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ku3sdquntqfjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
...

In this image, what could they be up to under that cellophane wrap, standing in the middle of the sidewalk?

What are they "cooking" under there?

This is supposedly the same moment, within the same minute, as the first pop.

[Slorri]

Are they "sheltering in place"?

[Cidersomerset]

Related....I have watched many items & parodies of
conspiracy events in the movies especially over the
last few years with 2012 etc....Ion says the Hollywood
writers scour the alternate conspiracy media for ideas
and to hide real events in plain site by putting them
in our collective psychy as fantasy or scy fy....

I just watched Ironman three and the main villain
was the Mandarin. Bearing in mind Crisis actors
etc. The Mandarin is a Bin Ladin parody, but the
fun bit is...'Trevor'...If you have seen the movie
you will know what I mean...LOL...

If not if or when you see it you will remember this
post & why it tickled me..LOl..and its links to
smoke & mirrors....

qBgH1aEtLaY

[Hervé]

From : http://www.globalresearch.ca/state-crimes-against-democracy/17922

Countering Authoritarian Followers’ castigation of ‘conspiracy theories’: The scientific reality of State Crimes Against Democracy (SCADs) (http://www.sott.net/article/261459-Countering-Authoritarian-Followers-castigation-of-conspiracy-theories-The-scientific-reality-of-State-Crimes-Against-Democracy-SCADs)
New research in the journal American Behavioral Scientist (Sage publications, February 2010) addresses the concept of “State Crimes Against Democracy” (SCAD). Professor Lance deHaven-Smith from Florida State University writes that SCADs involve high-level government officials, often in combination with private interests, that engage in covert activities for political advantages and power. Proven SCADs since World War II include McCarthyism (fabrication of evidence of a communist infiltration), Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (President Johnson and Robert McNamara falsely claimed North Vietnam attacked a US ship), burglary of the office of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist in effort to discredit Ellsberg, the Watergate break-in, Iran-Contra, Florida’s 2000 Election (felon disenfranchisement program), and fixed intelligence on WMDs to justify the Iraq War.1

Other suspected SCADs include the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald, the shooting of George Wallace, the October Surprise near the end of the Carter presidency, military grade anthrax mailed to Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, Martin Luther King’s assassination, and the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001. The proven SCADs have a long trail of congressional hearings, public records, and academic research establishing the truth of the activities. The suspected SCADs listed above have substantial evidence of covert actions with countervailing deniability that tend to leave the facts in dispute.2

The term “conspiracy theory” is often used to denigrate and discredit inquiry into the veracity of suspected SCADs. Labeling SCAD research as “conspiracy theory” is an effective method of preventing ongoing investigations from being reported in the corporate media and keep them outside of broader public scrutiny. Psychologist Laurie Manwell, University of Guelph, addresses the psychological advantage that SCAD actors hold in the public sphere. Manwell, writing in American Behavioral Scientist (Sage 2010) states, “research shows that people are far less willing to examine information that disputes, rather than confirms, their beliefs . . . pre-existing beliefs can interfere with SCADs inquiry, especially in regards to September 11, 2001.”3

Professor Steven Hoffman, visiting scholar at the University of Buffalo, recently acknowledged this phenomenon in a study “There Must Be a Reason: Osama, Saddam and Inferred Justification.” Hoffman concluded, “Our data shows substantial support for a cognitive theory known as ‘motivated reasoning,’ which suggests that rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief, people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe. In fact, for the most part people completely ignore contrary information.”4

Full article at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/state-crimes-against-democracy/17922 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/state-crimes-against-democracy/17922:)

[RunningDeer]

Shredded Clothes - Eddie McGee man in Boston Bombing?
FSKlkv6Cnb4

Does it really matter? Or is it quality time for ya mate, kids and grandkids?

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/eddie_zpsf2e2897e.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/image_search_zps436d3fe2.jpg

[RMorgan]

Hey Paula,

No, this Eddie Mcgee thing doesn´t make any sense.

First, he doesn´t even look similar to the guy in shredded clothes. Totally different facial and muscular structure.

Second, the guy in shredded clothes is not an amputee; He´s got both legs with just a few scratches on them.

So, why would they hire an amputee actor to interpret a guy who has both legs?

Raf.

[InCiDeR]

Fake bombs yes?

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5083/fotnta.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/fotnta.jpg/)

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1364/fot2a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/fot2a.jpg/)

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1691/nofot.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/nofot.png/)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8472/nofot2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/nofot2.jpg/)


The photoshop department must be very busy faking ALL photos and videos covering this event...

[RunningDeer]

BREAKING - No Pun intended - Boston Bombing Amputees found in Hollywood Amputee Site

Thanks, RMorgan. Just putting these out there for the curious. I'm beyond needing to know. If it helps others to let it go, then great. This will be my last post for this thread.


Nq-DJU4i-EE

[Hervé]

Interesting that MSM used Photoshop in reverse this time: hiding injuries:

From: http://fstoppers.com/daily-news-photoshops-boston-bombing-photos-on-front-page-nsfw

‘Daily News’ Photoshops Boston Bombing Photos on Front Page (NSFW)

Following the terrible events that happened in Boston yesterday leaving at least 3 dead and more than 170 wounded, the Daily News is under the spotlight of criticism for doctoring photos. While they have appeared to have doctored the photo because of its graphic nature, they still maintained many other graphic images on the cover of the publication. So why?

The photo, showing an injured woman with what appears to have shrapnel damage to her leg, was doctored to be able to use for the front page of their publication. While the original photo, by Boston Globe photographer John Tlumacki, is perhaps too graphic for cover publication, The Daily News still maintained plenty of gore and blood on the cover of their paper.


Full article: http://fstoppers.com/daily-news-photoshops-boston-bombing-photos-on-front-page-nsfw

[Slorri]

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This April, amputee support groups, veterans, prosthetists, rehabilitation centers and those with limb loss are gearing up to participate in a number of activities in their local areas to celebrate living well with limb loss.

[Cidersomerset]

Related as been already emphasised earlier.......

Booming surveillance industry surprise surprise !!!


Under the Microscope: Mass surveillance on rise in US after Boston attack

47Zee2IwtIg

Published on 10 May 2013


The Boston terror bombings reinvigorated debate over the role of public
surveillance in the US New York and other major cities have, in recent years,
expanded the number of cameras, using Homeland Security department grants.
The multi-billion dollar security industry is growing at up to 8 per cent a year. The
question is: who's keeping watch on what Big Brother is up to?

[turiya]

On Saturday, Boston Marathon victim, Jeff Bauman, served the role as a fan banner captain for NHL team in TD Garden:
Video (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669287)

Hmmm... amazing recovery I must say...


That's been nagging at me as well. While most of the spotlight has been focused on Jeff Bauman though, my wife and I were watching one of the major evening "news" programs barely 2 or so weeks after the bombing. They spotlighted a bombing victim, a freshly legless young woman in her hospital room, merrily showing off her rapid recovery by hopping from the bed and into a waiting wheelchair herself. Plop.

We both turned to each other like: "WOW"...

Is there something I've missed in our vast war experience of treating devastating battlefield wounds, that someone can now have both legs blown off, and then be rearing to go in just a couple or so weeks? There very well may be a logical explanation, but we would both certainly like to hear it.

Just to keep a running file on this stuff...


Dr. Stan Monteith, a 35-year orthopedic surgeon on Jeff Bauman’s leg amputations: “I believe that this young man was an actor”
May 10, 2013 by FauxCapitalist

Stan Monteith“Grandpa Liberty”, Dr. Stan Monteith (http://radioliberty.com/), a 50-year veteran researcher of alternative information suppressed by the mass media, a radio broadcaster since 1993, and a 35-year orthopedic surgeon who has performed many leg amputations said (starting at 1:06) concerning the Boston Marathon bombings on the May 8, 2013 episode of Radio Liberty (http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/radioliberty/050813c.mp3) (emphasis mine and pause words removed):
“I wanted to just call to your attention the Boston bombing on April 15. What really happened? And I’ll tell you, I don’t know what happened. But I know that they’re lying to us.

And basically, I know that they’re lying to us because of a picture that I saw on that very first day. It was a devastating picture. It was a fellow that had both legs blown off. A young man sitting in a wheelchair, being wheeled, certainly by a gentleman — a cowboy figure — who had a cowboy hat on and he was actually holding a tourniquet on the left leg, which was a below knee amputation, and there below, certainly, the stump of the below knee amputation, was the tibia — a bloody tibia — sitting and certainly, but the interesting thing is why the tourniquet wasn’t applied.

The tourniquet was just sort of underneath the leg, holding it up, it wasn’t stopping any flow of blood because there wasn’t hardly flow of blood on that side. It looked like there was some blood on the right leg which was taken off above the knee. But why would they take somebody who had just had both legs blown off and put him into a wheelchair? He would’ve been in profound shock. And why weren’t the tourniquets on both legs, certainly clamping off the blood supply? And when I saw that, I knew something was wrong.

And then of course as you know, I was a trauma surgeon for many years, I was an orthopedic surgeon. And basically, I looked at that below knee amputation on the left side, and it was a well-healed below knee amputation stump, and certainly, the kind that I would’ve done. I did many, many times, so people could wear prostheses. And there was no tear in the skin, no blood, no nothing at all — just a bloody tibia sticking out of the end — and it looked like it had been attached to this stump. Why would they do something like that?

And then of course, we’re told, this fellow’s name was Jeff Bauman. Some people said he was actually a lieutenant who had lost both legs in Afghanistan. He had a different name, but that gentleman had two above knee amputations, not below knee amputations, and this was definitely a below knee amputation, and I puzzled over this for some time.

Until, until recently, and you can get this on the internet, you can see these pictures for yourself, until basically, Jeff Bauman, 19 days after losing both legs, why, he was let out of the rehab hospital. How could that happen?

It takes a long time after you’ve lost both legs, you know, to get prostheses fitted, to get strong enough, and get the strength in your arms., but 19 days after the attack there in Boston, why this young man, Jeff Bauman, went to the Boston Bruins hockey game, and you can see pictures of him — go up on the internet.

And you can see pictures of him — he’s waving a flag, and he has two above knee amputations. Above knee amputations. Now wait a minute, the Jeff Bauman we saw initially had a below knee amputation and this is an above knee amputation.

I puzzled over that. How could that be, until I talked to a gentleman named Jim Fetzer who will be a guest in our programs and we said he was wearing a prosthesis, they put a prosthesis on him. There are even pictures where the prosthesis accidentally fell off, so they put the prosthesis on to give you the idea that it was a fresh amputation — it wasn’t, it was all contrived.

Look at the pictures, ladies and gentlemen — ask yourself, how could he have possibly have had a BK amputation in the initial pictures and now he has two AK amputations? We’re being lied to at every turn.”

Then, at 34:44:


“Of course I’ve tried to call the Spaulding Rehab Center on three occasions, and of course, I’ve tried to talk to the fellow there in charge of the press, and he always says if you’re from the media, and you certainly have a deadline, give us a call. We keep calling and leaving a number and we never get a call back. And the only reason I can think that that is because the last thing they want is for the media to know that this whole picture, this picture that was implanted in our minds, and there was articles in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal about Jeff Bauman who lost both legs there, this is all fraudulent. And if that is fraudulent, then what else is fraudulent?

And quite frankly, we don’t know, ladies and gentlemen, if they had this whole thing contrived. And I believe that this young man was an actor."SOURCE (http://fauxcapitalist.com/2013/05/10/dr-stan-monteith-a-35-year-orthopedic-surgeon-on-jeff-baumans-leg-amputations-i-believe-that-this-young-man-was-an-actor/)
May 8 2013 MP3 Podcast (http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/radioliberty/050813c.mp3)


turiya :cool:

[InCiDeR]

Some other things that puzzle my mind:


Have anyone seen Jeff Bauman in pictures showing the bomb scene before it went off?
I have spotted other of the victims there, shouldn't he be there as well?
On the other hand, he is not the only one I haven't discovered on those pictures.
But why mix actor(s) with real victims?
Maybe they needed one who could point out the brothers?


... and the merry-go-round goes round and round and round...

[Hervé]

he was actually holding a tourniquet on the left leg, which was a below knee amputation, and there below, certainly, the stump of the below knee amputation, was the tibia — a bloody tibia — sitting and certainly, but the interesting thing is why the tourniquet wasn’t applied.Right there this guy is letting us know that he hasn't looked at the pictures and therefore is basing his whole spiel on imagined data.

As for this part:


There are even pictures where the prosthesis accidentally fell off, so they put the prosthesis on to give you the idea that it was a fresh amputation —... see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=667318&viewfull=1#post667318) <---

... which also happened to "Guy # 2":


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[ThePythonicCow]

Just to keep a running file on this stuff...


Dr. Stan Monteith, a 35-year orthopedic surgeon on Jeff Bauman’s leg amputations: “I believe that this young man was an actor”
May 10, 2013 by FauxCapitalist

Stan Monteith“Grandpa Liberty”, Dr. Stan Monteith (http://radioliberty.com/), a 50-year veteran researcher of alternative information suppressed by the mass media, a radio broadcaster since 1993, and a 35-year orthopedic surgeon who has performed many leg amputations said (starting at 1:06) concerning the Boston Marathon bombings on the May 8, 2013 episode of Radio Liberty (http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/radioliberty/050813c.mp3) (emphasis mine and pause words removed):[INDENT][I][COLOR="darkslateblue"]“I wanted to just call to your attention the Boston bombing on April 15. What really happened? And I’ll tell you, I don’t know what happened. But I know that they’re lying to us.
Excellent - that's the most credible analysis I've read yet. Thanks (and thanks, Stan, wherever you are.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Right there this guy is letting us know that he hasn't looked at the pictures and therefore is basing his whole spiel on imagined data.
You might well have spotted some specific claim that Stan Monteith made that is disproven by a picture. If so, clearly state what that claim was and just how the picture disproves it.

But, even if you do that, persuasively and correctly, that does not demonstrate that he is "basing his whole spiel on imagined data."

There is a difference between a mistake (if he made one here) and it all being imagined. Hyperbole is less helpful than accuracy.

So far, I cannot distinguish your referring to Stan's analysis as "his whole spiel" from the typical sort of neuro-linguistic programming typically used to discredit someone else's analysis, for no adequately presented reason.

[Hervé]

Right there this guy is letting us know that he hasn't looked at the pictures and therefore is basing his whole spiel on imagined data.
You might well have spotted some specific claim that Stan Monteith made that is disproven by a picture. If so, clearly state what that claim was and just how the picture disproves it.

But, even if you do that, persuasively and correctly, that does not demonstrate that he is "basing his whole spiel on imagined data."

There is a difference between a mistake (if he made one here) and it all being imagined. Hyperbole is less helpful than accuracy.

So far, I cannot distinguish your referring to Stan's analysis as "his whole spiel" from the typical sort of neuro-linguistic programming typically used to discredit someone else's analysis, for no adequately presented reason.

That's two imagined -- or enforced data on him from somebody else's interpretation he hasn't looked at -- that I pointed out to.

One only needs to look at the pictures already posted.

If the guy, supposedly a specialist, cannot distinguish a tourniquet (which is also there) from Carlos pinching an artery; it doesn't bode well for the rest of his "expertise;" NLP (which I never got acquainted with nor studied in any form) or not.

[ThePythonicCow]

That's two imagined -- or enforced data on him from somebody else's interpretation he hasn't looked at -- that I pointed out to.

One only needs to look at the pictures already posted.

If the guy, supposedly a specialist, cannot distinguish a tourniquet (which is also there) from Carlos pinching an artery; it doesn't bode well for the rest of his "expertise;" NLP (which I never got acquainted with nor studied in any form) or not.

Well, I don't know if you studied NLP or not, but you're doing a pretty good job of it :).

Cut the ridicule, cut the images of some other guy #2, and actually state, in a straight forward fashion, what Stan said that you find incorrect regarding Jeff Bauman.

And claiming now it's two, not one (I honestly don't know exactly what you are finding incorrect in Stan's analysis, so I can't verify your count) is still NOT a demonstration that Stan is "basing his whole spiel on imagined data."

When I look at this image, of (the supposed) Jeff Bauman, I find that I agree with Stan that the skin below the knee, above the bare bone, of what remains of his left leg, does -not- look like it was just torn apart by a bomb that ripped off the rest of his leg. But for one flap hanging off near the bare bone, it looks like mildly scratched or dirtied up but basically healed skin to me, as it does to Stan.


http://i.imgur.com/0D40Kso.jpg
Here is what Stan wrote of this left leg:




And basically, I looked at that below knee amputation on the left side, and it was a well-healed below knee amputation stump, and certainly, the kind that I would’ve done. I did many, many times, so people could wear prostheses. And there was no tear in the skin, no blood, no nothing at all — just a bloody tibia sticking out of the end — and it looked like it had been attached to this stump.
Stan's words fit that image, from what I can see and read.

Another possibility, which Stan doesn't write, is that the knee and below the knee stump, as well as the protruding tibia, are all a prosthesis, attached to a prior above the knee amputation, with the point of attachment concealed by the tourniquet.

===

P.S. -- I encourage other reader's, if you have not already, to go back and read what Dr. Stan Monteith wrote, as turiya quoted in Post #896 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=672819&viewfull=1#post672819), above. It makes a lot sense to me.

[Hervé]

When I look at this image, of (the supposed) Jeff Bauman, I find that I agree with Stan that the skin below the knee, above the bare bone, of what remains of his left leg, does -not- look like it was just torn apart by a bomb that ripped off the rest of his leg. But for one flap hanging off near the bare bone, it looks like mildly scratched or dirtied up but basically healed skin to me, as it does to Stan.

Thanks for not addressing the two points I started with:



he was actually holding a tourniquet on the left leg, which was a below knee amputation, and there below, certainly, the stump of the below knee amputation, was the tibia — a bloody tibia — sitting and certainly, but the interesting thing is why the tourniquet wasn’t applied.Right there this guy is letting us know that he hasn't looked at the pictures and therefore is basing his whole spiel on imagined data.

As for this part:


There are even pictures where the prosthesis accidentally fell off, so they put the prosthesis on to give you the idea that it was a fresh amputation —... see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=667318&viewfull=1#post667318) <---



To reiterate, that's two unsubstantiated, imagined data being weight in by an "expert."

Guy # 2 is there to show that Occam's razor conclusion I posted HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=667318&viewfull=1#post667318) as to why imagination went wild on the prostheses tracks. The same thing happened to him at about the same spot.

His description of the wounds may only be another case of the "Are you a believer or do you THINK?" psyop designed to make non-expert people see something that isn't there since he sees a non-applied tourniquet in Carlos' hand and no efficient tourniquet on Jeff's left leg.

Personally, I don't see a "well healed" wound anywhere. All I see is shredded flesh, a stripped tibia bone and apparently no blood issuing.

So, the "expert" starts off setting up the scene by first stating "They are lying to us" (psyop hook) and that he knows "They are lying to us" because of the picture he totally misinterpreted, insinuating there are no tourniquet applied yet there is no blood issuing.

Then he adds the prostheses work taken from somebody else's wild imagination (nothing of what's claimed is actually visible on that video) and seemingly confirms it to end up concluding that the whole thing was staged and Jeff is an actor. That's the whole spiel I am talking about, no matter how many clinical/medical descriptions it is punctuated with.

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks for not addressing the two points I started with

You're not making much sense, Amzer Zo :).

By the way, I trimmed down the quotes in your post just above, in an effort to make it easier to see what you were saying this time.

Here's the image of Jeff's leg again:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Jeff_Leg.jpg
The portion I circled in blue does not appear seriously harmed. If, as may well be the case, Jeff Bauman ended up being an above the knee double amputee, not below the knee, then that portion isn't even Jeff's real flesh inside the blue circle.

The tourniquet I circled in red does not appear seriously tightened.

You continue to slander Stan with complaints that his whole spiel is a fabrication of his wild imagination, or words to some such effect.

However you have completely ignored most of what Stan said, and claim only to be disputing two items, so you lack a credible basis for a broadside attack on Stan's analysis.

As I have circled in blue and red above, your disputes of even those two items appear to me, and Stan, to be contrary to the evidence.

I did address exactly what, as best I could guess, were the two points you were trying to make (though I may have guessed incorrectly what points you were trying to make, as I am still having trouble figuring that out for sure.) I stated earlier what I saw and what Stan saw, in contrast to what apparently you saw. I stated that again, above, in this post, and added the image with the blue and red circle to make this as clear as possible.

You continue to ignore my complaints, ignore most of what Stan observed, complain about a small portion of what Stan observed, and then generalize those complaints to all of what Stan said, in quite negative sounding words, and then you complain that I'm ignoring you when I'm not.

[ThePythonicCow]

To reiterate, that's two unsubstantiated, imagined data being weight in by an "expert."
Stan Monteith is an expert (retired orthopedic surgeon who has handled many amputations), so don't insult him by putting "expert" in quotes.

The data is not imagined, but well imaged, and the data is substantiated, in part by the very images you and I have posted so many times now.

[ThePythonicCow]

Oh - and one more detail - look at Jeff's hands in the image two posts up. Almost spotless. If someone blew off my two lower legs, even if my main leg arteries shut down as some say can happen, I'll wager I'd have pretty bloody hands in a big hurry, trying to figure out what was going on.

[Hervé]

So, you are telling me that you see Carlos holding a tourniquet?


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... "that" looks fairly well tighten to me...

[ThePythonicCow]

... and... what's that?

... "that" looks fairly well tighten to me...

It's a strip of red rubber, not even tight enough to press an indentation into the flesh, much less have any effect on one's arterial blood flow.

===

Here's Jeff at the Boston Bruins Hockey game, about 3 weeks after the bombing:

http://thepythoniccow.us/double_amputee_above_knee.jpg
What happened to the little damaged 9 inches of leg below his left knee?

As Stan Monteith indicates, it seems that Jeff went from a Below the Knee amputee to an Above the Knee amputee. Oops.

[Slorri]

Good folks, have you seen this!

Motive Extremist Islamic beliefs, including reaction to U.S. wars in Muslim countries

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombings

[Slorri]

I did a comparison of the two versions of the video from the sidewalk. They are not at all identical.
The person in jeans and grey hood sitting by the wall is erased in the high resolution version.
He who filmed the high resolution video ends up one block down, behind the building of the LensCrafters, down by the Montessori School. There he is hugging the walls at intervals. And after he has gotten down there he films the woman in red walking, the supposed later victim of the first pop; So it's not easy to tell where she is heading at that moment.

[Hervé]

[...]]
It's a strip of red rubber, not even tight enough to press an indentation into the flesh, much less have any effect on one's arterial blood flow.

[...]


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Looks tight enough to me to squeeze the flesh over the lower edges of that "red rubber"




What happened to the little damaged 9 inches of leg below his left knee?
Not much flesh left to wrap around it and, in any case, could he have any use for it? Or was he asked, for less inconvenience in the foreseeable future, to have equal length leg stumps?

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/false-flag-theatre-boston-bombing-involves-clearly-staged-carnage

False flag theater: Boston bombing involves clearly staged carnage

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bauman-2.jpg?w=660&h=500
Everyone ignores the man who just lost his legs.

“Does a compelling description of a terrorist attack, replete with ‘eyewitness accounts’ of the terrifying scene, and official pronouncements, constitute an actual event?” – Florida Atlantic University professor James Tracy (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/04/22/witnessing-bostons-mass-casualty-event/#more-4048).

By Sheila Casey (Special to Truth and Shadows)

The mainstream media story of the Boston Marathon bombing is of Chechen terrorists who unleashed weapons of mass destruction, killing four and wounding 264 in an unthinkable scene of “bodies flying into the street”, “so many people without legs” and “blood everywhere.”

A massive police response followed, with 9,000 federal, state, FBI and Department of Homeland Security troops (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/boston-bomb-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-awaits-special-interrogation-team-after-being-captured-alive-in-watertown-after-dramatic-end-to-huge-manhunt-8579362.html) conducting door-to-door searches to find and subdue the “armed and extremely dangerous” suspects. Cops unceremoniously ousted residents from their homes to set up impromptu battle stations, and one aimed a gun at a resident who was snapping his picture from a window (http://jimbovard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/watertown-gun-aimed-at-photogrphaer-923495_10200611106256641_1972215990_n.jpg).

For the vast majority of the American population, this is the truth and they feel no need to look further. Yet those who are willing to question the narrative we’ve been sold and take a hard look behind the curtain may be in for a surprise. Based on the video and photo record, it seems clear that the lead actor in this production—the most grievously wounded, as well as the man who fingered Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as the bomber—was faking his injuries, as were most of those allegedly hurt by the first bomb. We were told his name is Jeff Bauman, but since that can’t be verified and his survival is unbelievable to the point of being miraculous, we’ll simply call him Miracle Man.

First let’s see what can be learned from a Boston Globe video on YouTube that starts six seconds prior to the first explosion. (For this article, I’m focusing solely on the first explosion and its now famous victim, although serious anomalies–such as the curious case of a missing mailbox– have also been reported at the site of the second explosion.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l447UT3rtM

The cameraman was standing on the finish line, facing the approaching runners, so had a view of both explosions. For 2 min and 42 seconds, he continues filming, as he walks around the area of the first explosion pointing the camera in seemingly random directions.

There is a boom and white smoke rises from the sidewalk. But nothing flies into the street: no debris, no nails or pellets, and certainly no bodies or body parts. None of the flags are knocked down or pierced by shrapnel. Watching this video, it’s easy to understand why some participants believed the explosions to be part of the finish line festivities. All runners except one keep on going: although not hit by anything, an older man falls and rolls on his back, but within 30 seconds he’s on his feet and walking to the finish line.

The second explosion seems similar in intensity to the first, although we don’t see it as clearly.

At 0:53, we get our first good look at the sidewalk behind the fence, in front of Sugar Heaven: there are about seven people there, all standing, and some litter. No blood, no one on the ground. We saw no crowds of people rushing from that area, and usually the finish line of a major race is jammed with spectators. Where did everyone go? Was the area cleared ahead of time?

At 1:17 we get a view of the sidewalk in front of the store next door, Marathon Place, ground zero for the first bomb. We see about five victims on the ground, and perhaps six assisting them. (They may be more, our view is blocked by a fence.)

At 1:53 we see that Carlos Arredondo—who achieved brief fame for rescuing the double amputee, Miracle Man—is still clutching his American flag, even as he tries to get over the fence to help the victims. This is peculiar: who holds onto something unimportant in the face of a mass disaster?

From 2:17 to 2:23 we see an older balding man dressed all in black, gesturing to people off screen to the right to come to him. I say “people,” plural, because he makes the “come to me” gesture continuously for the six seconds we see him, as if bringing in a crowd. He has a lanyard around his neck of the type used by large corporations for employee identification.

Indeed, by 2:35, as the fence is finally pulled away, the sidewalk is much more crowded than it was a minute ago. We also see that Carlos still has not reached Miracle Man.

Although we hear sirens several times, in this video we never see an ambulance or any bodies—living or dead—being carried away. Perhaps all the ambulances went to the second bombing, where people may have really been hurt. At this point the camera aims down at the street and fades out.

The video gives the impression of a bomb much, much smaller than media reports would lead one to believe. The area is swarming with runners, photographers, police and EMTs, but actual victims seem scarce.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jeff-bauman-long-shot.jpeg?w=660&h=400
Almost seven minutes after the explosion, Bauman is sitting up and not bleeding.

The uncropped photo of the poster boy for this event, who allegedly lost both legs in the first blast, raises several questions. He is in the finisher’s chute, about 40 yards from the finish line.

Where are they taking him? Why aren’t he and his severed limbs being rushed to the hospital? He reportedly ends up at Boston Medical Center, 1.5 miles away. Are they planning to get him there via wheelchair?

Why is there so little blood? We can clearly see the road behind them, and there is no blood trail. The one visible tourniquet on his leg is not tight to his skin, so it cannot be properly tied or winched. A second tourniquet is caught under the wheels.

According to this article in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourniquet), it is possible to bleed to death from a severed femoral artery in as little as three minutes. Although the femoral artery ends above the knee, there is still huge blood flow below the knee, and Miracle Man lost both legs simultaneously just below the knee. The blood should be gushing from his legs, especially because he is sitting up. Standard protocol for a traumatic amputation of the leg is to lay the patient flat and elevate the leg, using gravity to prevent uncontrolled hemorrhage. We know from other photos that a woman near Miracle Man (she is seen literally on top of him) with no visible injuries was put on a stretcher before Miracle Man. Why did she get the stretcher and not him?

How is he still conscious? Based on real time video evidence , this picture was taken more than six and a half minutes after his calves were blown off. He is not bleeding, he is sitting up with eyes open, and he is still a long way from getting medical attention. How did he survive?

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/malarchuk.jpg?w=272&h=324
Malarchuk almost died when his jugular vein was sliced by a skate.

By comparison, consider this video of a hockey accident (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OKbwR_XDBa4) where goalie Clint Marlachuk got a skate across his neck that cut his jugular vein. Just a few seconds after the cut, he’s already created a sizable pool of blood on the ice. It is easy to believe that if his bleeding had continued unchecked for a minute or two, he would be dead or close to it.

A swimmer was attacked (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/26/local/me-shark26) by a great white shark off Solana Beach, CA with a bite across both legs. Although his fellow triathletes brought him immediately to shore, he died within minutes of the bite—possibly before being pulled from the water. Unlike Miracle Man, the swimmer’s legs were not completely detached.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded1.jpg?w=486&h=312
(Frame 1) The bomb has just gone off but there is no blood.

So what are we to make of these images of Miracle Man immediately after the bombing, taken from a surveillance video? In frame 1 below, the smoke is still thick so the bomb has just detonated. But far from being splayed out on the concrete in a pool of blood, clothes tattered and/or singed from the heat, struggling to comprehend what has just happened, and with multiple smaller injuries in addition to those that took off his legs, we see an odd scene.

Miracle Man is on his back in the “crunch” position often seen in gyms by those trying to tighten their abdominals. It’s not an easy or comfortable position to hold, and certainly not the one I’d choose immediately after suffering a devastating injury like double traumatic amputation. We see no blood, injuries or torn clothing on him or anyone else in the photo. Miracle Man’s thighs, hands and elbows are in the air and a hooded man is between his stumps, in the posture of a midwife. And between the two men is an African-American woman, who appears to be leaning or resting on Miracle Man’s abdomen.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded2.jpg?w=640&h=450
(Frame 2) Amidst the “carnage,” the hooded man takes a moment to don his sunglasses.

In frame 2, the hooded man is putting on his sunglasses. If he truly had before him a mortally wounded man who could expire within minutes, stopping to put on his sunglasses would seem strange. For that matter, wearing a hood on a nice day with temperatures in the high 50s/low 60s is also strange—it’s no fashion statement.

But because we know that this is a faked scene, he is most likely donning the glasses to try to hide his identity. Between the hoodie and the sunglasses it works pretty well.

The black woman is still reclining on Miracle Man, who still has his hands, arms and thighs in the air. Only his lower back and buttocks are touching the pavement. We still see no blood or injuries anywhere in the frame.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded4.jpg?w=646&h=395
(Frame 3) His stump is over the woman’s head, but there is no blood.

In frame 3, the clean, dry bone of Miracle Man’s left calf is raised and is on the black woman’s head, but there is no blood. She is wearing a bright white shirt and it is wholly free of blood. The alleged double amputee is still in the crunch position, his hands now in front of his face. What is he doing? Why is no one attempting to tie a tourniquet or get him help? Why is Miracle Man himself not attending to his own life threatening injuries, as the goalie did by trying to stanch the blood gushing from his neck with his hands?

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded5.jpg?w=630&h=469
(Frame 4) At ground zero for the 1st bomb, there is no blood.

In frame 4, the bone of Miracle Man’s left leg is now directly over the black woman’s head, but still there is no blood, on his stump or on the woman. The red that we see is her jacket.

A few minutes later, we see this odd scene (photo below). Miracle Man isn’t visible, although we know he hasn’t left the area yet, because Carlos, his rescuer, is still there, leaning against the fence holding his cowboy hat and flag, as if waiting his cue. The hooded man is now reclining, propped up on one arm, looking very relaxed.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/high-res-of-bomb-site.jpg?w=594&h=305
This blood looks more like red paint. Is that a bottle of fake blood in the lower right?

The shop window has been blown out, leaving a pile of broken glass on the sidewalk. The bomb was supposedly on the sidewalk, so why didn’t the glass blow in to the shop, rather than out onto the sidewalk?

***

(continued in the next post below...)

[Bill Ryan]

(...continued from the post above)

Now, finally we see blood—or what could be blood if it were darker. Below is a photo of the blood from a gruesome motorcycle accident, next to the victim’s arm. It’s much thicker and darker than the substance on the Boston sidewalk.

In the lower right corner of the photo above is a bottle containing a liquid the same color as the “blood” now on the sidewalk. Did the red liquid on the sidewalk come out of this bottle? The black woman now has blood on her, although not on her head and shoulders where you’d expect it after having Miracle Man’s freshly severed leg directly over her.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jeff-in-blood-puddle.jpg?w=648&h=485
Will no one help the poor man who has no legs?

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/real-blood.png?w=158&h=257
Real accident, real blood.

Finally, here is Miracle Man after both the black woman and the hooded man have moved away from him. There is a discarded surgical glove on the ground, although no first responders have yet responded to the most badly injured victim. There is clearly no tourniquet on Miracle Man’s left leg, yet no blood flow is seen. Everyone around him seems quite nonplussed by his gruesome injuries and unmoved to help him. His right stump is much shorter than the left one, ending above the knee, and appears to be entirely encased in his pants. In the photo taken later of Jeff in the wheelchair (shown above), which according to Google Images has been published over 1 million times, his right stump has magically grown a knee.

Compare the story told by these images with the complete fantasy reported in the Concord Monitor (http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/5747100-95/concord-family-aiding-son-jeff-bauman-pictured-in-iconic-boston-marathon-photo).


(Miracle Man) was lying on the ground near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, grasping the hands of his girlfriend’s two roommates. Just seconds before, they’d been waiting with a sign to hold up when she completed the race. He wanted the girls to get help before he did. He didn’t realize how bad his own injuries were. But before he knew it he was in a wheelchair, and a man in a cowboy hat was pinching one of Bauman’s severed arteries. http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/carlos-stomping-on-fence.jpeg?w=660&h=440
Carlos’ story—vaulting the fence to hurry the legless man into a wheelchair—is not borne out by the photos.

More fiction from the Concord Monitor:


When the first explosion happened, (Carlos Arredondo) jumped over a fence and ran toward the victims, he told WEEI radio in Boston. He knelt down next to Bauman, whose legs had been blown off and was (sic) bleeding profusely… Arredondo found a sweater on the ground, ripped it and tied it around Bauman’s leg to try to stop the bleeding. We know from the surveillance video that none of this happened. There were no young women tenderly holding his hands, no man in a cowboy hat heroically vaulting the fence to put him immediately in a wheelchair, no profuse bleeding and no ripped sweater to stop it.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/carlos-interview-with-flag.png?w=660&h=452
A photo op dreamed up by a PR firm: Carlos displays his blood soaked American flag.

It’s instructive to see the kind of story the Monitor (and other media outlets) manufactured. It’s a fairy tale, with heroes and villains. There are no shades of grey; the victim is a saint; despite being mortally wounded, “he wanted the girls to get help before he did,” and the villain is pure evil—so evil neither his wife nor mother want to claim his body.

Military propaganda gets the most bang for the buck out of creating intense emotion and a desire for vengeance in the targeted population, which in this case are the American people. By creating stories of wholesome, saintly Americans who have been brutalized by deranged foreigners, the event is reduced to a simplistic story of good against evil. Who would not support the “good” when threatened by “evil?” Thus the authorities are better able to carry out the agenda the attack was created to facilitate, such as shutting down a city under de facto martial law, or amping up racist beliefs that Muslims are not quite human, and their sufferings—such as those inflicted by the US during endless wars—nothing to be concerned about.

Adding to the unanswered questions is this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy-hWcOWL60) ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy-hWcOWL60

...a double-time static view of the entire scene, evidently taken from the media deck over the finish line. At 3:12 we see that as Miracle Man is being wheeled down the street, two people bringing in an empty gurney walk right past him and his entourage, going the other way. They pass within 10 feet of each other, so they could not have missed seeing each other. The man in the yellow jacket with Miracle Man has “EMT” on his lapel. Why didn’t this Emergency Medical Tech ask for the gurney, pointing out the dire condition of his patient?

It is 3:17 by the time they exit the frame at the lower left. Since this video is playing back at twice the normal speed, that means that six minutes and 34 seconds (3:17 x 2) had elapsed—just while this video was playing— before Miracle Man started on his journey down Boylston Street, where the wheelchair Bauman shot was taken. The video doesn’t show the bombing or any emergency vehicles, so it begins sometime after the bombings, although there’s no way to know how much after.

Carlos Arrendondo was interviewed about the bombing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWHHWB3Jr60

...but almost everything he says about it is provably false.

At 0:11 he says emphatically “you see people without limbs. Ripped off limbs everywhere, everywhere.” This is patently false. The only sign of a possible lost limb in the photos and video is a part of the sole of a foot and toes seen in the lower left of the frame. But there is no way to know if that foot is still attached to a person.

At 0:25 (although partly inaudible) he makes clear that he ripped either his own or Miracle Man’s clothes to make the tourniquets. Problem is, the tourniquets are bright white, and neither he nor Miracle Man were wearing white. This also contradicts the interview where he said he created a tourniquet out of a sweater, as neither he nor Miracle Man were wearing a sweater.

At 0:35 Carlos says of Miracle Man that “he had a big fire going on, on his shirt.” Miracle Man’s shirt was not at all burned.

At 1:22 he says “there was so many people begging me for help, begging me for help, but I can only help one at a time.” Despite the many photos and videos of Carlos that day, there is no sign of him interacting with any victim other than Miracle Man. At one point he is seen standing against the fence, just waiting.

At another point, with Miracle Man still untended to, Carlos is seen trying to take down a fence. Right behind him are the hooded man and the black woman who were with Miracle Man, so Miracle Man had to have been directly behind Carlos only minutes before. Where is he? I’d guess he’s off getting his makeup applied and his fake bloody prosthesis attached. The architects of this event knew they needed a poster boy to get the public riled up, and Miracle Man was the guy for the job. His makeup and fake bloody prosthesis had to be good.

At 1:38 he says of Miracle Man “he was unconscious.” This is false, Miracle Man is conscious even in the final photo, taken nearly seven minutes after the bomb.

At 2:01 he unrolls his bloody American flag and shows it to the interviewers. If the interview was taped prior to the event, this may be why he was so determined to hang on to his flag even while trying to climb the fence to get to the victims. He would need to still have it with him, for consistency’s sake, in any other photos and videos after the event.

At 2:28 they start talking about the flags of nations that lined the street just prior to the finish line, and at 2:37 Carlos says emphatically, with a sweeping motion of his hand, “all the flags was gone. All gone.” This again is false: both videos show that not a single flag was knocked over by the blasts.

Carlos’s lies about the scale of the event could be simply a man trying to make himself out to be more of a hero than he was. But, he had to have known that there were many cameras at the finish line and his story would be proven false. In light of the other discrepancies in the story, it seems more likely that Carlos was paid, and this was the story he was told to relate.

***

I know that the evidence I’ve presented here, and the huge charade that it implies, will incite outrage and indignation among those who still believe that the media delivers the unvarnished truth. If this is your first exposure to solid evidence of false flag terrorism, your mind is probably madly sputtering with justifications and defenses that will allow you to go on believing what you have always believed: that your most loved news personality has only the truth as his/her goal. If you identify as liberal, you no doubt believe that there is propaganda aplenty at Fox News, while Amy Goodman and Rachel Maddow tell it like it is. Conservatives of course believe the opposite.

Unfortunately both sides are wrong, as there is little truth to be found on either the right or the left, whether “mainstream” or “alternative.” The false left-right paradigm keeps people fighting among themselves and ignoring the real enemy, which is exactly as the real enemy likes it.

Those looking for a quick and painless way to dismiss uncomfortable facts need look no further than any of thousands of pundits and news anchors who have already told you what to think about “conspiracy theorists.” You’ve heard that they start with a conclusion and make the evidence fit their preconceived notions, they find real life too boring so they invent elaborate stories to spice things up, or that the idea of random terror is so, well, terrifying that they need to have a “grand theory” to make the world seem safer and more manageable.

These themes originated with the CIA 47 years ago, when they released a plan to stomp out alternative views about the JFK assassination (http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/jfk/cia-inst.htm). The plan includes a recommendation to “employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics”


Our assets should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories. Although lacking any grounding in fact, these criticisms of researchers who question the government’s story have been repeated so often by both mainstream and alternative sources, that they are now believed by many gullible people.

Does the idea of the US government using actors to play the role of victims in fake terror attacks seem impossibly far-fetched?

An article from 2003 (http://dailyuw.com/archive/2003/05/07/imported/seattle-participate-terrorism-preparedness-exercise#.UX04AIJAtAI) describes the Department of Homeland Security running exercises with “make-believe victims seeking medical treatment. Volunteers and professional actors will play the roles of victims…”

Consider this Actor Waiver Form for a Homeland Security Exercise. Although I can’t verify its authenticity, if they are using actors in drills, such forms would be standard operating procedure.
http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/actor-waiver-from-dhs.jpg?w=660&h=588
<--- DHS has a history of using actors for mass casualty drills.

The U.S. government uses amputees for training exercises.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh3xyYYv-S8

With a specially prepared “bloody” prosthesis, an actor who lost his limb years ago can be made to look as if he lost his limb moments ago.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/cnn-amputee-actors-full.png?w=660&h=400
Fake wounds created for “scenario training” can look like the real thing.

The government has staged many terror attacks to achieve political goals, and they no doubt learned that one of their biggest headaches after such an attack was the grieving family members who kept pointing out the inconsistencies in the stories they were given about how their loved ones had died. For the citizen mindlessly ingesting standard news pablum, the official story may seem plausible. Not so for the highly motivated mother, husband or daughter of a victim, who latches on a like a bulldog and won’t let go until they get the answers they seek.

But the perpetrators still need graphic images of human suffering to incite the kind of rage that prompts the citizenry to willingly surrender their rights and let the feds ignore the law and do as they please.

The solution was evidently to stage terror attacks with actors, where no one actually gets hurt. In the case of the Boston Marathon bombing, they were able to achieve all the same goals that a real terror attack would have (such as testing whether it is possible to close down a city over a single teenage “terrorist” on the loose) without the nuisance of grieving, inquisitive family members.

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Sheila Casey is a journalist whose work has been published by the Chicago Sun-Times, Reuters, The Denver Post, Common Dreams, Dissident Voice and the Rock Creek Free Press. Contact her or read her other political articles here (http://www.linkedin.com/in/caseysheila).

[Cidersomerset]

The blood colour bugged me, but it was brought up earlier, and some one did give
an answer to why it was so red, that I cannot remember off hand.


http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/real-blood.png?w=158&h=257

Real blood...


From the US homeland and geopolitical view, everything leads to a false flag imo
though I have left the photo analyst to those with a better eye and computer
skills and there has been some good debate and counter all the way thru the
thread so far...Well done Steve....

I posted this earlier in the thread and worth a recap...........

GcxmAunB4Ck

Published on 3 May 2013


Triggers pulled on 4th, 2nd & 1st Amendments distracted by flag waving; clunky
FBI propaganda; and unleash the War on Bathtubs. Seek truth from facts with
former Marine Corps officer James Fetzer, editor of Storyleak Anthony Gucciardi,
the Corbett Report's James Corbett, Questioning the War on Terror author Kevin
Barrett, Boston eyewitnesses, and Fmr. Rep. Ron Paul.

[Sunny-side-up]

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From http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/false-flag-theatre-boston-bombing-involves-clearly-staged-carnage

False flag theater: Boston bombing involves clearly staged carnage

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bauman-2.jpg?w=660&h=500
Everyone ignores the man who just lost his legs.

“Does a compelling description of a terrorist attack, replete with ‘eyewitness accounts’ of the terrifying scene, and official pronouncements, constitute an actual event?” – Florida Atlantic University professor James Tracy (http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/04/22/witnessing-bostons-mass-casualty-event/#more-4048).

By Sheila Casey (Special to Truth and Shadows)

The mainstream media story of the Boston Marathon bombing is of Chechen terrorists who unleashed weapons of mass destruction, killing four and wounding 264 in an unthinkable scene of “bodies flying into the street”, “so many people without legs” and “blood everywhere.”

A massive police response followed, with 9,000 federal, state, FBI and Department of Homeland Security troops (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/boston-bomb-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-awaits-special-interrogation-team-after-being-captured-alive-in-watertown-after-dramatic-end-to-huge-manhunt-8579362.html) conducting door-to-door searches to find and subdue the “armed and extremely dangerous” suspects. Cops unceremoniously ousted residents from their homes to set up impromptu battle stations, and one aimed a gun at a resident who was snapping his picture from a window (http://jimbovard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/watertown-gun-aimed-at-photogrphaer-923495_10200611106256641_1972215990_n.jpg).

For the vast majority of the American population, this is the truth and they feel no need to look further. Yet those who are willing to question the narrative we’ve been sold and take a hard look behind the curtain may be in for a surprise. Based on the video and photo record, it seems clear that the lead actor in this production—the most grievously wounded, as well as the man who fingered Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as the bomber—was faking his injuries, as were most of those allegedly hurt by the first bomb. We were told his name is Jeff Bauman, but since that can’t be verified and his survival is unbelievable to the point of being miraculous, we’ll simply call him Miracle Man.

First let’s see what can be learned from a Boston Globe video on YouTube that starts six seconds prior to the first explosion. (For this article, I’m focusing solely on the first explosion and its now famous victim, although serious anomalies–such as the curious case of a missing mailbox– have also been reported at the site of the second explosion.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l447UT3rtM

The cameraman was standing on the finish line, facing the approaching runners, so had a view of both explosions. For 2 min and 42 seconds, he continues filming, as he walks around the area of the first explosion pointing the camera in seemingly random directions.

There is a boom and white smoke rises from the sidewalk. But nothing flies into the street: no debris, no nails or pellets, and certainly no bodies or body parts. None of the flags are knocked down or pierced by shrapnel. Watching this video, it’s easy to understand why some participants believed the explosions to be part of the finish line festivities. All runners except one keep on going: although not hit by anything, an older man falls and rolls on his back, but within 30 seconds he’s on his feet and walking to the finish line.

The second explosion seems similar in intensity to the first, although we don’t see it as clearly.

At 0:53, we get our first good look at the sidewalk behind the fence, in front of Sugar Heaven: there are about seven people there, all standing, and some litter. No blood, no one on the ground. We saw no crowds of people rushing from that area, and usually the finish line of a major race is jammed with spectators. Where did everyone go? Was the area cleared ahead of time?

At 1:17 we get a view of the sidewalk in front of the store next door, Marathon Place, ground zero for the first bomb. We see about five victims on the ground, and perhaps six assisting them. (They may be more, our view is blocked by a fence.)

At 1:53 we see that Carlos Arredondo—who achieved brief fame for rescuing the double amputee, Miracle Man—is still clutching his American flag, even as he tries to get over the fence to help the victims. This is peculiar: who holds onto something unimportant in the face of a mass disaster?

From 2:17 to 2:23 we see an older balding man dressed all in black, gesturing to people off screen to the right to come to him. I say “people,” plural, because he makes the “come to me” gesture continuously for the six seconds we see him, as if bringing in a crowd. He has a lanyard around his neck of the type used by large corporations for employee identification.

Indeed, by 2:35, as the fence is finally pulled away, the sidewalk is much more crowded than it was a minute ago. We also see that Carlos still has not reached Miracle Man.

Although we hear sirens several times, in this video we never see an ambulance or any bodies—living or dead—being carried away. Perhaps all the ambulances went to the second bombing, where people may have really been hurt. At this point the camera aims down at the street and fades out.

The video gives the impression of a bomb much, much smaller than media reports would lead one to believe. The area is swarming with runners, photographers, police and EMTs, but actual victims seem scarce.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jeff-bauman-long-shot.jpeg?w=660&h=400
Almost seven minutes after the explosion, Bauman is sitting up and not bleeding.

The uncropped photo of the poster boy for this event, who allegedly lost both legs in the first blast, raises several questions. He is in the finisher’s chute, about 40 yards from the finish line.

Where are they taking him? Why aren’t he and his severed limbs being rushed to the hospital? He reportedly ends up at Boston Medical Center, 1.5 miles away. Are they planning to get him there via wheelchair?

Why is there so little blood? We can clearly see the road behind them, and there is no blood trail. The one visible tourniquet on his leg is not tight to his skin, so it cannot be properly tied or winched. A second tourniquet is caught under the wheels.

According to this article in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourniquet), it is possible to bleed to death from a severed femoral artery in as little as three minutes. Although the femoral artery ends above the knee, there is still huge blood flow below the knee, and Miracle Man lost both legs simultaneously just below the knee. The blood should be gushing from his legs, especially because he is sitting up. Standard protocol for a traumatic amputation of the leg is to lay the patient flat and elevate the leg, using gravity to prevent uncontrolled hemorrhage. We know from other photos that a woman near Miracle Man (she is seen literally on top of him) with no visible injuries was put on a stretcher before Miracle Man. Why did she get the stretcher and not him?

How is he still conscious? Based on real time video evidence , this picture was taken more than six and a half minutes after his calves were blown off. He is not bleeding, he is sitting up with eyes open, and he is still a long way from getting medical attention. How did he survive?

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/malarchuk.jpg?w=272&h=324
Malarchuk almost died when his jugular vein was sliced by a skate.

By comparison, consider this video of a hockey accident (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OKbwR_XDBa4) where goalie Clint Marlachuk got a skate across his neck that cut his jugular vein. Just a few seconds after the cut, he’s already created a sizable pool of blood on the ice. It is easy to believe that if his bleeding had continued unchecked for a minute or two, he would be dead or close to it.

A swimmer was attacked (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/26/local/me-shark26) by a great white shark off Solana Beach, CA with a bite across both legs. Although his fellow triathletes brought him immediately to shore, he died within minutes of the bite—possibly before being pulled from the water. Unlike Miracle Man, the swimmer’s legs were not completely detached.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded1.jpg?w=486&h=312
(Frame 1) The bomb has just gone off but there is no blood.

So what are we to make of these images of Miracle Man immediately after the bombing, taken from a surveillance video? In frame 1 below, the smoke is still thick so the bomb has just detonated. But far from being splayed out on the concrete in a pool of blood, clothes tattered and/or singed from the heat, struggling to comprehend what has just happened, and with multiple smaller injuries in addition to those that took off his legs, we see an odd scene.

Miracle Man is on his back in the “crunch” position often seen in gyms by those trying to tighten their abdominals. It’s not an easy or comfortable position to hold, and certainly not the one I’d choose immediately after suffering a devastating injury like double traumatic amputation. We see no blood, injuries or torn clothing on him or anyone else in the photo. Miracle Man’s thighs, hands and elbows are in the air and a hooded man is between his stumps, in the posture of a midwife. And between the two men is an African-American woman, who appears to be leaning or resting on Miracle Man’s abdomen.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded2.jpg?w=640&h=450
(Frame 2) Amidst the “carnage,” the hooded man takes a moment to don his sunglasses.

In frame 2, the hooded man is putting on his sunglasses. If he truly had before him a mortally wounded man who could expire within minutes, stopping to put on his sunglasses would seem strange. For that matter, wearing a hood on a nice day with temperatures in the high 50s/low 60s is also strange—it’s no fashion statement.

But because we know that this is a faked scene, he is most likely donning the glasses to try to hide his identity. Between the hoodie and the sunglasses it works pretty well.

The black woman is still reclining on Miracle Man, who still has his hands, arms and thighs in the air. Only his lower back and buttocks are touching the pavement. We still see no blood or injuries anywhere in the frame.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded4.jpg?w=646&h=395
(Frame 3) His stump is over the woman’s head, but there is no blood.

In frame 3, the clean, dry bone of Miracle Man’s left calf is raised and is on the black woman’s head, but there is no blood. She is wearing a bright white shirt and it is wholly free of blood. The alleged double amputee is still in the crunch position, his hands now in front of his face. What is he doing? Why is no one attempting to tie a tourniquet or get him help? Why is Miracle Man himself not attending to his own life threatening injuries, as the goalie did by trying to stanch the blood gushing from his neck with his hands?

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hooded5.jpg?w=630&h=469
(Frame 4) At ground zero for the 1st bomb, there is no blood.

In frame 4, the bone of Miracle Man’s left leg is now directly over the black woman’s head, but still there is no blood, on his stump or on the woman. The red that we see is her jacket.

A few minutes later, we see this odd scene (photo below). Miracle Man isn’t visible, although we know he hasn’t left the area yet, because Carlos, his rescuer, is still there, leaning against the fence holding his cowboy hat and flag, as if waiting his cue. The hooded man is now reclining, propped up on one arm, looking very relaxed.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/high-res-of-bomb-site.jpg?w=594&h=305
This blood looks more like red paint. Is that a bottle of fake blood in the lower right?

The shop window has been blown out, leaving a pile of broken glass on the sidewalk. The bomb was supposedly on the sidewalk, so why didn’t the glass blow in to the shop, rather than out onto the sidewalk?

***

(continued in the next post below...)
Hi Bill very worthwhile continuation posts, great points for fake.
In Frame 4 have you noticed the large woman in front of the wood fencing being grabbed by someone in black top. Now look in your next image where is she Doh, in front of the shop window Hmm?

[Hervé]

[...]
Hi Bill very worthwhile continuation posts, great points for fake.
In Frame 4 have you noticed the large woman in front of the wood fencing being grabbed by someone in black top. Now look in your next image where is she Doh, in front of the shop window Hmm?

They went from there (upper right corner) at ~ 3 seconds post blast flash:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pf89QePXUk1fngfAeefD4C5R8Rmmth7ubqQ6VsbeP5MXerNU3sUBwqljLtkqc1_XOduVHvG_IJq-SvxfunJuQ1DRX4TO4cqcemX8eZeSmK40uXEQ5Cj8tJG4Es3oLYn56/Boston%20%231-041a.jpg?psid=1



Still there at ~ 5-6 seconds post blast flash and if one cares to look one may notice that blood is already being spilled:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pJBp7M6eby0ZPeylo88SLhrjX8zbzHkWrK_BP6OZOvTY_CMM_UO6fEGx2OjKD-0fLSu2gkwI5fdBngFLZbW2QVKuVjU-tnlZS-77jl9rQlwxGINCLncdj1Uex1K-3Hje9/Boston%20%231-111.jpg?psid=1



... via here:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pnJP9JfFTaxQEkS7N4TDc7ScQQ85AUwQv1N5sIb8xjsRiDGKZgUbOsJ1EkLvHx7TA05MH-jW7KfDvaaKb-UR822V0E-HZN_FpgZQuVrHfcossB7_vjM2tDFe_SUv59QNJ/Boston%20%231-155.jpg?psid=1

[Hervé]

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From http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/false-flag-theatre-boston-bombing-involves-clearly-staged-carnage

[...] (... serious anomalies–such as the curious case of a missing mailbox– have also been reported at the site of the second explosion.)



^See post # 818 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=670542&viewfull=1#post670542)^

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l447UT3rtM

[...]

.... But nothing flies into the street: no debris, no nails or pellets, and certainly no bodies or body parts. None of the flags are knocked down or pierced by shrapnel.
The author seems to have failed noticing the debris falling off on the street or a large "object" being thrown up in the air in the very video she is referencing:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pNatxxtJfirfIGBFu2eannhLw8wdxCcNfmReQ9x1SK9FlqSa uagFU4S0vUkVqCXzx7Bhv1N_5OaaS1z61QPwD3HdsxcKnDdEAg gJ51SGjVtvam0GlTcjV6p-O41r0LiI8/Blown%20up-01.gif?psid=1


The author also failed to adequately investigate high resolution pictures available all over the net to notice the presence of ball-bearing balls all over the street (see post # 861 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=671767&viewfull=1#post671767)).


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[...]
.... We saw no crowds of people rushing from that area, and usually the finish line of a major race is jammed with spectators. Where did everyone go? Was the area cleared ahead of time?
Again, another failure at taking into account available data:


ze7-cTuMBhA
Notice the "chronometer" (i.e. balloons) as well... (see post # 868 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=671901&viewfull=1#post671901))



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[...]

.... He is not bleeding, he is sitting up with eyes open, and he is still a long way from getting medical attention. How did he survive?

[...]How did a Nick Vogt survived in the first place?

See post # 781 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669479&viewfull=1#post669479)

The first portion of the article, based on the "Are you just a believer or do you THINK?" article, has been addressed numerous times in this thread and I can only encourage readers to take stock of the actual data already presented in this thread.

I am not disputing the analysis of the spun stories put out by the press in the rest of the article.

However, and as far as I am concerned, this article is another piece of creative imagination based on leading questions which pay little to no regard to actual data and designed to hook readers into a psyop (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209) where nothing is real.

Here is reality, at a moment when the fence was just getting started in being knocked down by Carlos:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p3lcwjh7AAMY1nQeKSoqwBtwkyTV1MUrQzIYY0HSEHXhIPIx 4JkXE4oj-2GNcTWpaWUE_1k-jcuyqEcXegHVhatx5Las5gVDdqTYsNrghdfEvTMKlrs6WRZqtD ho5H7Nl/Boston%20%231-177.jpg?psid=1



Can you spot any ball-bearing balls in there?

[Tangri]

On Saturday, Boston Marathon victim, Jeff Bauman, served the role as a fan banner captain for NHL team in TD Garden:
Video (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669287)

Hmmm... amazing recovery I must say...


That's been nagging at me as well. While most of the spotlight has been focused on Jeff Bauman though, my wife and I were watching one of the major evening "news" programs barely 2 or so weeks after the bombing. They spotlighted a bombing victim, a freshly legless young woman in her hospital room, merrily showing off her rapid recovery by hopping from the bed and into a waiting wheelchair herself. Plop.

We both turned to each other like: "WOW"...

Is there something I've missed in our vast war experience of treating devastating battlefield wounds, that someone can now have both legs blown off, and then be rearing to go in just a couple or so weeks? There very well may be a logical explanation, but we would both certainly like to hear it.

Just to keep a running file on this stuff...


Dr. Stan Monteith, a 35-year orthopedic surgeon on Jeff Bauman’s leg amputations: “I believe that this young man was an actor”
May 10, 2013 by FauxCapitalist


turiya :cool:

Previously posted by Tangri here: Have some conspiracy theorists gone too far..... (Post #55) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58773-Have-some-conspiracy-theorists-gone-too-far.....&p=669327&viewfull=1#post669327):





how can you say that 2 airplanes didnt hit the WTC. It was witnesses by hundreds of people. The media didnt insert the plane that hit the south tower an airplane really hit it. As far as the pentagon goes. Im not sure if an airplane really hit the pentagon, even though they say that im still not convinced. So you saying there were faked injuries at the Boston bombing. That is BS why would they even need fake injuries when they have a real bomb going off. That would mean that the medical team was in on it. You dont see any medical personal coming forward saying that some of the injuries were fake.

All im saying is that be careful what you watch on you tube and believe. Its like when in the movie the Matrix when Neo asks if you die in the matrix do you die in real life and Morphius says yes the mind makes it real. Well that is what happens....The mind makes it real.

I am not sure if you are a government contractor or just a naive human.
I strongly recommend you to check victims' background and search for hypovolemic shock after a laceration of limps.
None of the victims lost enough blood comparing with their injuries, and emergency respond from aid workers was not resonate with situation.
Also check smoke/ panic bombs
http://www.superiorsignal.com/smoke-...-smoke-grenade
I was fed up to write and explain for a while because of the gov contractors in Avalon forum but I am not sure on Nativity level/rate and I am doing it again.

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[ Mod-edit: I added a little bit of formatting and a link, to better show where the quotation of the previous Post #55 of Tangri's came from. - Paul. ]

[Hervé]

[...]

Adding to the unanswered questions is this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy-hWcOWL60) ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy-hWcOWL60

[...]

It is 3:17 by the time they exit the frame at the lower left. Since this video is playing back at twice the normal speed, that means that six minutes and 34 seconds (3:17 x 2) had elapsed—just while this video was playing— before Miracle Man started on his journey down Boylston Street, where the wheelchair Bauman shot was taken. The video doesn’t show the bombing or any emergency vehicles, so it begins sometime after the bombings, although there’s no way to know how much after.

[...]

Well, there is a way, but that requires some investigative skills that the author of the article is apparently lacking or not willing to apply:

Calibrating and bracketing the time from the number of frames (extracted) in that video to the marathon finish line clocks:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pE-Zvow_OMVnolKARAggX-Uodi-IZWUal-bqeQ-M57oXzd6gPoQVO_voWIGIkJngsEPcW3QQ4Atc1Ir-SQk4RmyYuJ1Fe3f1fL8so1bUTqMbX_XSetWVGe_0CJvUpRFCz/Boston-032.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pKTlzOnDop9FHbDy92X-nog-MlYVPkBEsI6JbbYVJDfDQAIOJ5Jb5bp_hnwsHEgapAFTlvKxw9 wbOc2ZuBrHShMdhfJ36Fi-rCBtpW9kkzfBlXUOgPUt5P-s-7RcuIpEl/CST-28b.jpg?psid=1


Both pictures above have exact, identifiable equivalent frames on the time lapse video and yield the following timing:



Jeff + wheelchair and crew leave the blast area at 04:16:09. That's 6 minutes and 25 + 1 seconds post blast flash (taken as 04:09:44:00 although the exact flash point occurs a few frames before that 44 seconds mark);



The clearing of the wheels* takes place at 04:16:23 + 1 seconds from blast flash instant. that's 6 minutes and 39 + 1 seconds post blast flash instant.


As for passing by a gurney; in that case: time is the essence.


********************************


*Clearing of the wheels:

Before:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2peyWJ0hioLqu8kFbW9Z__lJxXC2HuILJ1eUsl3JrughGT8KP z5txXGHVrocsyOShld2Dc0VDHBT9kQd08aCc3SYyg9OyFM7dqd gEVBBjhuuIUaY41v8gssKJ8JV6JfVo1/Boston%20Finish%20Line%20Time%20Lapse%205759.jpg?p sid=1






After:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p_DxH2IuUR7ktdg0bAUWgZMhYRpZDIpqiccb6_231zb3pRQg _vLqZhzg8PO7lIcmW854kSK8cT8k7dGvM4sKi-JbhtIY0HkcBlv8gA7BhEeHaE2JbYZg47NBX5EElwSJD/Boston%20Finish%20Line%20Time%20Lapse%205908a.jpg? psid=1

[Slorri]

...

Still there at ~ 5-6 seconds post blast flash and if one cares to look one may notice that blood is already being spilled:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pJBp7M6eby0ZPeylo88SLhrjX8zbzHkWrK_BP6OZOvTY_CMM_UO6fEGx2OjKD-0fLSu2gkwI5fdBngFLZbW2QVKuVjU-tnlZS-77jl9rQlwxGINCLncdj1Uex1K-3Hje9/Boston%20%231-111.jpg?psid=1


...

@Amzer Zo

In your analysis here, what is your thoughts on the two women by the fence not being affected by the blast?

They are seen running around the scene like a couple of gazelles, even though they stood just meters from where others had their legs blown clear off by the pop?

Shouldn't at least one of them alleged ball bearings have hit this relatively large target?


And also, have you or anyone analyzed this red substance for being blood? Or are you just assuming that it is blood?

[InCiDeR]

Let's do this thread all over again, shall we?!

Let's zoom out a bit:


Oki, if we ponder about the idea that everything was staged. There had to be A LOT of people involved. EMT people, bystanders, people working at the hospital, ambulance, police, FBI, CSTs, politicians, actors, family members to actors, relatives and even neighbours etc etc.

I mean, not a single neighbour to the actors have said...."Hey! This guy were amputee before the bombings! What's going on?".

Many people on the pay list, and many people to make sure they don't talk...

On the other hand... have you seen any of the victims to be sad or angry afterwards?
I would be at least a bit upset and sad if I recently lost two legs, probably it would take me some time to overcome that feeling.

Everything regarding this bombings seems to be odd in one way or another. But probably it is staged to be confusing...
#759 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=668634&viewfull=1#post668634)

"They" maybe control MSM but not all of the alternative media.
So WHY have NO ONE that know the actors or seen them before the bombings said anything like:

"HEY what's going on? This person was amputee before the bombing!?"

(think colleague, classmates, friends, local grocery store, neighbours etc. etc.)



- Why aren't those in the alternative media that have the opportunity doing their job properly?

How hard can it be to prove that Jeff Bauman lost his legs in this bombing?

1. Visit the hospital. Check his legs, do an interview.
2. Visit his parents/friends. Do an interview, ask for photos taken of Jeff the latest week before the bombing.
3. Present the evidence to the public.

Quod erat demonstrandum
#794 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669856&viewfull=1#post669856)

This question is still very interesting to me...

[RMorgan]

... and... what's that?

... "that" looks fairly well tighten to me...

It's a strip of red rubber, not even tight enough to press an indentation into the flesh, much less have any effect on one's arterial blood flow.

===

Here's Jeff at the Boston Bruins Hockey game, about 3 weeks after the bombing:

http://thepythoniccow.us/double_amputee_above_knee.jpg
What happened to the little damaged 9 inches of leg below his left knee?

As Stan Monteith indicates, it seems that Jeff went from a Below the Knee amputee to an Above the Knee amputee. Oops.


Paul,

This is really interesting, brother.

Why did they cut his legs so high above the knees, while, judging by the injuries, a bellow knees amputation would be completely viable?

Usually, bellow knee amputations are always desirable in such cases, since it facilitates a lot the process of adjusting prosthetic legs later on.

Prosthetic knees are a pain in the arse to adjust, so surgeons do whatever they can to amputate bellow the knees, except when that´s completely impossible.

This could really prove something.

Raf.

[norman]

If they had to put a lot of fake injured and bloody body parts into place very quickly, it could account for what was in all those backpacks.

[InCiDeR]

How did a Nick Vogt survived in the first place?

See post # 781 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669479&viewfull=1#post669479)

The first portion of the article, based on the "Are you just a believer or do you THINK?" article, has been addressed numerous times in this thread and I can only encourage readers to take stock of the actual data already presented in this thread.

I am not disputing the analysis of the spun stories put out by the press in the rest of the article.

However, and as far as I am concerned, this article is another piece of creative imagination based on leading questions which pay little to no regard to actual data and designed to hook readers into a psyop (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209) where nothing is real.
(...)

Hi there Amzer Zo, I agree that there could be some possible explanation why Jeff Bauman (I assume you meant Jeff Bauman and not Nick Vogt... or just a freudian slip?) survived with not that much loss of blood.

So when did he lose all blood?

According to the doctor at hospital he lost a lot:


(...)Mr Bauman Sr was told his son had already had both legs amputated at the knee, and had to be resuscitated and given blood several times during surgery because he had lost so much blood (...)Source/read more (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310384/Boston-bombing-2013-Jeff-Bauman-Senior-knew-son-hurt-saw-photo-news.html)

There is a lot of inconsistent data surrounding this event. Personally I do believe there is a reason for that, it keeps us focused on the wrong area. Trying to solve something in which there will never be enough proof for neither side.

[Hervé]

-------[...]

In frame 4, the bone of Miracle Man’s left leg is now directly over the black woman’s head, but still there is no blood, on his stump or on the woman. The red that we see is her jacket.

[...]

This picture was taken prior to 04:10:26 (marathon finish line clocks, Carlos leaning against the fence; 04:10:26 is when he is seen knocking the fence down), that's under 42 seconds post blast flash:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p55QUibqT2FLBl1U3WXFF9JRShLzYsIOKOJBFtVxI1El6wWhp4fuwSj05Ud7ZuOzbsPs1iNZCzUyOO1T7DttF784oYTGuZZ4oC icUfeB1QKLMxq3IoyaHaY0MxQKQWZpg/Image-2013-05-06-19h-47mn-13.jpg?psid=1
One can see Jeff's left-leg stump as well as the blood on the black lady's top




A few minutes later, we see this odd scene (photo below). Miracle Man isn’t visible, although we know he hasn’t left the area yet, because Carlos, his rescuer, is still there, leaning against the fence holding his cowboy hat and flag, as if waiting his cue. The hooded man is now reclining, propped up on one arm, looking very relaxed.


http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/high-res-of-bomb-site.jpg?w=594&h=305

This blood looks more like red paint. Is that a bottle of fake blood in the lower right?On the above picture I hope one can notice that the color of the asserted "paint" is quite different than on this one:

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bauman-2.jpg?w=660&h=500

Which demonstrates the variation of the chromatic settings from camera to camera whether the colors are set to "warm" or "cold" and which could also depend on the software being used to "print" those pictures.



As for Jeff missing from the picture, again, this is the result of a rushed interpretation to put out the piece ASAP or a sheer disregard of actual observations and data:


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2piO7OYKVy9h7Oaw8e3r5lAUG2lMNaI2NKW0x0XUC8CAl06VnDmABMazx9-6p6u0YRLbrg2yYLNc5iLGZQepEbOC7YTEDJZuwQvXiVFKB_JxgFiIsq4Tfozeyi8NG9RFX6/Boston%20%231-160c.jpg?psid=1

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pPfZXtvmdwrfnXDBmSMB8vLH-p29N7SaohK41UNkH1BI3j0FwVbN_zQiKVLv6yLpNXkMJDMZ5iCXwhlRRnwbdlw9ZceMrzzXLelKbYEXO8TyXaWaKpb7t2Hg9mF3K MurX/Boston%20%231-160a.jpg?psid=1
The asserted "fake blood" bottle (under the guise of a question) is seen to hold a translucent, "Gatorade" type, content


I hope that by now, at least some readers are able to see that the "Are you just a believer or do you think?" piece, and being reproduced and promoted by the author of the article posted by Bill, is full of unfounded assertions, leading questions and innuendos. Hence my calling it a psyop.

[InCiDeR]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ku3sdquntqfjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

In this image, what could they be up to under that cellophane wrap, standing in the middle of the sidewalk?

What are they "cooking" under there?

This is supposedly the same moment, within the same minute, as the first pop.


I am also curious about this. Anyone able to figure out what it is?

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/25/largezc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/largezc.jpg/)

[Hervé]

How did a Nick Vogt survived in the first place?

See post # 781 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669479&viewfull=1#post669479)

[...]

Hi there Amzer Zo, I agree that there could be some possible explanation why Jeff Bauman (I assume you meant Jeff Bauman and not Nick Vogt... or just a freudian slip?) survived with not that much loss of blood.

[...]

Not a freudian slip, InCiDeR:

One of the psyop scenario is that Jeff Bauman had been switched to an "actor" -- Nick Vogt -- because it would have been "impossible" for Jeff to have survived such injuries. Yet the proposed "actor" Nick Vogt apparently did survive an even worse type of injury in the first place in order to be an "amputee actor"... how come? He, too, should not have been able to survive his injuries, in the first place, either... see?

[InCiDeR]

How did a Nick Vogt survived in the first place?

See post # 781 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669479&viewfull=1#post669479)

[...]

Hi there Amzer Zo, I agree that there could be some possible explanation why Jeff Bauman (I assume you meant Jeff Bauman and not Nick Vogt... or just a freudian slip?) survived with not that much loss of blood.

[...]

Not a freudian slip, InCiDeR:

One of the psyop scenario is that Jeff Bauman had been switched to an "actor" -- Nick Vogt -- because it would have been "impossible" for Jeff to have survived such injuries. Yet the proposed "actor" Nick Vogt apparently did survived an even worse type of injury in the first place in order to be an "amputee actor"... how come? He, too, should not have survive his injuries either in the first place... see?

Ahh, now I get you. That was quite an intricate one, something I could pull off in my primary language. Your comparison when it comes to Nick Vogt is of course something to take into consideration, personally I lack knowledge about the circumstances concerning his accident.

[Kimberley]

Incider and all

They are Heatsheets® made out of polyethylene. Runners are typically wearing just shorts and a light shirt, so when they stop they get cold. The space blanket is an inexpensive way to keep the runner warm until they can retreive their warmup clothes.

[InCiDeR]

Incider and all

They are Heatsheets® made out of polyethylene. Runners are typically wearing just shorts and a light shirt, so when they stop they get cold. The space blanket is an inexpensive way to keep the runner warm until they can retreive their warmup clothes.

Thanks Kimberley!

Are you sure they are not a bigger version of tin foil hat used for bodies?

[Slorri]

FBI took cowboy's shirt for evidence, when they went to his house last week.

mw_iwFfeZ70

[Slorri]

21 minutes past 3 comes cowboy and superman scooting down the street! (At 13 min in the video)
That is 32 minutes after the first pop! Or...?

zolO3Sm2Cz0

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Taking the scenic route with the injured man, are we?

[Cidersomerset]

Related........media games....


Scott Pelley on mainstream media: 'Dead wrong'

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Published on 13 May 2013


From the Newtown Shooting to the Boston Marathon bombing, mainstream media
outlets seem to be in a race to be the first in breaking the news, but what
happened to being right? CBS anchor and managing editor, Scott Pelley, recently
admitted to a group of students that he and his news organization has been "dead
wrong" when it comes to reporting. Journalism professor Christopher Chambers
joins us to see what's going on with the media.
Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/

[Cidersomerset]

21 minutes past 3 comes cowboy and superman scooting down the street! (At 13 min in the video)
That is 32 minutes after the first pop! Or...?

Thanks Slorri Typical Ozzy logic, straight to the point, say it how it
is....'Fair Dinkum' ..LOL


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mainstream More Cameras Just like London and that won't stop
another organised 'Drill'



http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNyKlt3-DX1fsTC346LPU3FaZD7fK6CjQjy92AtAJH2ue1DgBT



CNN Calls for Real-time Police State Surveillance



Tuesday, 14 May 2013 09:46

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'The establishment media is calling for the implementation of Big Brother
technology following the Boston bombing last month.

In order to prevent terrorist attacks, CNN argues, there must be real-time
surveillance cameras planted everywhere. Panopticon technology is required if we
are to expect government to protect us from terrorists and other miscreants, the
corporate media network says.'

Read more: CNN Calls for Real-time Police State Surveillance

http://www.infowars.com/cnn-calls-for-real-time-police-state-surveillance/

[TargeT]

One of the psyop scenario is that Jeff Bauman had been switched to an "actor" -- Nick Vogt -- because it would have been "impossible" for Jeff to have survived such injuries. Yet the proposed "actor" Nick Vogt apparently did survive an even worse type of injury in the first place in order to be an "amputee actor"... how come? He, too, should not have been able to survive his injuries, in the first place, either... see?

In the Army, before we deploy we are trained to deal with injuries like that, and sucking chest wounds, and head wounds; all the major trauma wounds we expect to face. one or (usually) two of these trained individuals is in each gun truck (so there's a lot of them) with a double leg amputation you have a few min. to stop bleeding before the victim dies but it only takes 30 seconds or less to put on our field tourniquets
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Tourniquet_.jpeg/350px-Tourniquet_.jpeg

(that we (Combat Life Savers) all carry). Lt Vogt would have easily been saved in that situation; this "Jeff" character by all right should have been long dead before he ever got set into a wheel chair (which is probably the worst way to evacuate someone with those types of injuries, you're just putting more blood pressure to the wounded areas causing a faster bleed out; wound elevation is done to alleviate that situation, at LEAST a stretcher should have been used)

[Hervé]

[...]

That is 32 minutes after the first pop! Or...?

[...]

I can only conclude you didn't bother much with reading and/or understanding post # 919 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=673314&viewfull=1#post673314) nor post # 925 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=673487&viewfull=1#post673487) above or, else, there is a fundamental struggle in applying basic arithmetic:




Jeff + wheelchair and crew leave the blast area at 04:16:09. That's 6 minutes and 25 + 1 seconds post blast flash (taken as 04:09:44:00 although the exact flash point occurs a few frames before that 44 seconds mark);



The clearing of the wheels* takes place at 04:16:23 + 1 seconds from blast flash instant. that's 6 minutes and 39 + 1 seconds post blast flash instant.




This picture was taken prior to 04:10:26 (marathon finish line clocks, Carlos leaning against the fence; 04:10:26 is when he is seen knocking the fence down), that's under 42 seconds post blast flash:


At 04:10:11, that's 27 seconds post blast flash (04:09:44):


https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2p5gczfZRmMqlHxwLYbBCztn_QHQ9fdgMKeffLQCKjFnBYB7iQNfY_pQoGbfN75LxC3Y3zy2_xJcUNyfd3Tahn9SgO-sMiEqU1j3FfXKq7HVTO1QUrKD5k7dgmC8L4HdVH/Boston-009c.jpg?psid=1



At 04:10:19, that's 35 seconds post blast flash:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pYR_USZIttuMZnt5p_xH_ahRdk2ivHBLWna5av7vC138ow56v8yiTylfu59z4fXwnO-hQ1dy7amYk6mkk2vi4U9IPZn3bo42ZjfRNwVEqIn8-1SO_udxJ8QJYeXbBIHqm/Boston-010b.jpg?psid=1



At 04:10:26, that's 42 seconds post blast flash:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pAgSK20ZYjFuhZr4ck3B0S7QQou6TtGiSI5ScdOqbA_46kY-Ab2ovARqyb_uCLEE8YV5Es7Qznvxf4CcM5pJ4l3hKm4QFbvkqkVH4h2DHSzkf85apzklnkGQMeVfpQJia/Boston-011b.jpg?psid=1

That's only 7 seconds to finish jumping over the fence, lean against it, assess the situation and start knocking down the fence.

I think that, on a scale of importance, Carlos was able to think on his feet and started knocking down the fence to provide access to first responders instead of "handling it all alone."

[Hervé]

[...]

In the Army, before we deploy we are trained to deal with injuries like that, and sucking chest wounds, and head wounds; all the major trauma wounds we expect to face. one or (usually) two of these trained individuals is in each gun truck (so there's a lot of them) with a double leg amputation you have a few min. to stop bleeding before the victim dies but it only takes 30 seconds or less to put on our field tourniquets (that we (Combat Life Savers) all carry). Lt Vogt would have easily been saved in that situation; this "Jeff" character by all right should have been long dead before he ever got set into a wheel chair (which is probably the worst way to evacuate someone with those types of injuries, you're just putting more blood pressure to the wounded areas causing a faster bleed out; wound elevation is done to alleviate that situation, at LEAST a stretcher should have been used)

I understand that, however, Nick Vogt is amputated at the hips.

Where do yo apply a tourniquet in that case?

[TargeT]

I understand that, however, Nick Vogt is amputated at the hips.

Where do yo apply a tourniquet in that case?

Thats when you use your trusty old Quick Clott! (or the various new variations of that same product) whatch how quickly it stops arterial bleeding

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I had this stuff in the powder form and the "sheets" in my small med kit.


WATCH THIS VIDEO... you'll see what femoral arterial bleeding looks like.. it's terrifyingly fast, when I say 3 min to live, I mean it, it's scary.

[Hervé]

I can only refer you back to post # 781 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669479&viewfull=1#post669479) which give examples that such a thing is actually possible:



Question, the heart is a pump, blood vesicles the size of a MC Donald’s straw at that pressure, were is the squirting veins in the video’s. and were are the video’s of the second blast down the street?

All the data regarding this point have already been posted on this thread:



[...]

but that dude with the legs blown off to me, should not b alive in that wheel chair, and sure as hell shouldn't b coherent and looking like he was.

[...]

Yet some people even come back from the "dead."

It isn't so much that he is alive, since:


i remember one time working the box out in the county , this guy got both legs ran over by a train and funny thing is there was no blood just major crushing so i have seen weird thing’s emt-b career FD…..texas
Posted by james temple | April 21, 2013, 9:34 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47345)
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When you cut an artery cleanly then it bleeds out. When arteries are torn the muscles around the artery contracts and the muscles put enough pressure on the arteries to stop them from bleeding out. Although in a while the muscles relax and the artery is free to bleed out. Think of it like an Umbilical cord, We cut them so we need to stop the bleeding, animals on the other hand chew them and that stops them from bleeding out. I hope that helps you understand.
Posted by Dave | April 21, 2013, 12:11 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47406)
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WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!!
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

------------------

It does seem seem a bit odd that someone with his legs blown off would not bleed out on the spot much less seem relatively calm.

However, it DOES HAPPEN. I've seen it myself, more than once, in more than one accident.

The following E X T R E M E L Y G R A P H I C!! video is such an example. This Vietnam police officer was literally cut in half by a truck. Did he bleed out?

Hardly.

In fact there isn't as much blood as you'd think there'd be from a body that was sliced in half by a truck.

Nor does the victim seem to be in pain. In fact he's talking to the photographer while playing with his body parts.

I would never ( well, maybe never ) link to such a graphic example but it would seem in this situation it is ( perhaps ) relevant to what's been discussed/argued/debated.

A person can literally be cut in half, not just legs blown off, and not bleed out -- and seem to be relatively nonchalant about it.

Just for the record IMO this Boston incident stinks to high heaven -- perhaps even higher. Whether there are/were actors involved makes no difference to me. The deed is done. There will be many to follow. Some bigger. Some smaller. Some perhaps even legit and not false flags. ( Okay, humor me here )

For those of you that still desire to proceed to the video here's the link...

But first another warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

I lied, that was five more warnings so please don't complain.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=832_1250780068





... with blood circulation in his legs being shut down from the physiological shock, priority was given to the continuous bleeders?

[...]

:bump:

"Muscles have only one trick: When stimulated they contract; that is, they get shorter and thicker. A cut or torn artery or vein has, at its cut end, a whole lot of stimulation of the muscles. They contract, and close off the vessel. Blood pressure in the arteries may be high enough to push past the contraction, so what we do is apply direct pressure to the injury site until clotting can start."

Source: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009929.html


More comments from that same article:


I am a board certified Anesthesiologist who has worked at a Level I trauma center for 24 years. The relative lack of blood is completely compatible with a blast injury. Blast injuries can cause tearing of the vessels which is more likely to cause the vessel to contract and close. Sharp force trauma like penetrating glass shard and knife wounds tend to bleed more. I can’t believe you think being an EMT qualifies you to make such outlandish, ridiculous assertions that are not based in fact. Get a life.
Posted by Imagasser | April 21, 2013, 10:59 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47598)


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Well, as a former EMT and Combat Lifesaver in the US Army, I can say that I don’t appreciate your assertion that “EMTs can do basically nothing”. I can save your life, dude. But that said, I think the author of this article is a LOON. The anesthesiologist is CORRECT: blast trauma can indeed stop bleeding.
Posted by Ray | April 22, 2013, 9:02 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47934)


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I have witnessed such a situation. A motorcyclist crashed in front of me, His leg was severed complete off just below the knee. I actually drove over his leg, with his running shoe intact as it lay on the highway. Not a drop of blood spurted from his leg. It oozed out like lava for a few seconds. I tourniqued up his leg with my t-shirt and belt. There was no spurting blood, no gushers, nothing. He was in shock and NO blood poured out of the completely severed leg. NONE.
Posted by S Hummel | April 24, 2013, 11:34 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48248)


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I’m wondering why all the reds seem brighter (and a strange hue) in the large image which supposedly shows the ‘fake’ blood… I’m a daily user of photoshop, and as such I’d suggest whoever has put this together has tried to prove their point by deliberately making the blood seem off colour (this is very easy to do) – just look at how all the reds including the ones on the other people’s clothing change hue. Also I’d suggest you have a look at other sources of the same photo – they all look a different hue from the one shown here. That is pretty suspect and leads me to question the integrity of whoever put this ‘evidence’ together.
Posted by SonarCorona | April 22, 2013, 4:53 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47874)


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In mass casualties, you often treat the most likely to survive first instead of wasting effort that could be used to save more lives by spending a ton of effort on someone with life-threatening trauma. Also, the heat of the shrapnel could theoretically cauterize as they slice through. Last, I would like to point out that a lot of the first responders were not necessarily trained medical people and could have been in shock due to the extent of his injuries and have been too afraid to help him.
That said, I remain neutral on the entire situation. I do not know the truth. But there is a counter-point to most of the points on here.
Posted by SomeGuyInBoston | April 22, 2013, 5:41 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47886)


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[trauma surgeon answers to his dad's questions]:
no, we have lots of patients post traumatic amputations that survive for much longer periods, blast and explosion traumas do not affect the tissue in the same way a clean cut would. Survival is not just remotely possible but happens regularly.
Venous bleeding post explosions takes some time to appear, the “blood gushing” out of movies is really just in movies. The frame by frame analysis is just dead wrong.
The trauma is real, almost no props can make the tissue “sag” in the post explosion way when he is on the wheelchair. We regularly operate on post explosion legs, the decollement (skin off the subcutaneous tissue) is very real and has a certain visible texture.
sorry dad, but its very plausible that boston was real.
Posted by tommytcgThomasT (http://gravatar.com/tommytcg) | April 22, 2013, 7:25 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47910)


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Arteries are like rubber bands. If they are suddenly severed they often will retract and close within the body with little bleeding. This accounts for the reason so many battle field casualties survive this kind of trauma, and also why so many innocents in places like Cambodia survive land mines, but lose legs.
Posted by Ken | April 23, 2013, 7:53 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48033)


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This is what oxygenated blood looks like, thus the term blood red. As an EMT you should really know this!!
if its GSW or other puncture wound the body will put itself in shock to stop the oxygenated blood leaving the body so it should be darker like a veinal cut. But when your legs turn into mist this is what blast injuries look like. If these are all actors did the hundred or so people stab nails in their bodies at the same time and then go to hospital?
Also if you are an EMT you should notice that if that guys bleeding is under control then the woman with breathing problems takes priority, as she’s clearly been treated around her chest her stretchered away.
With reference to the pictures its obvious they have moved the casualties when dealing with them(or she rolled about), its easier if you look at the first pic to see the 2 distinctive blood patches on the floor, if you are still having difficulty wondering who went where you can see the pavement has two different styles making it easier to see who is where.
Posted by James Peach | April 23, 2013, 7:54 am (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48034)


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I believe the shots came from Ben Thorndike judging by the angle, he used a burst photo mode – not video.*
Posted by Mike | April 23, 2013, 12:50 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-48093)
* Pictures taken in burst mode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burst_mode_%28photography%29) are anywhere between 3 to 24 frames per seconds. At 5fps, the whole scene (20 frames) took 4 seconds... at 20 fps, it took only 1 second. Judging from the other video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes) of the other guy getting up and unable to stand on his feet (from the same pictures (http://www.flickr.com/photos/95222051@N04/8678837882/in/photostream/) as in that article but cropped differently and following the wanderings of the "photographer" wearing a 2-tones green jacket as a reference since he can also be spotted pre-bomb blast on one of those circulated hi-res pictures, bottom left), the whole scene took between 3 and 4 seconds within the bracket of the first 18 seconds following the initial blast flash (checked against hahatango (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/sets/72157633252445135/) EXIFs calibrated on the Marathon Finish Line clocks).

At 18 seconds, the 2-tones-green-jacket "photographer" has already wandered way away from the blast site.

Hence, it's time to turn around the very question heading the article: “Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?” and check it against the very premise of said article: the time constraint against a real blast that blew off double paneled windows, singed bystanders' hair and jackets and "salted" same bystanders' legs, arms, trunks and faces with ball bearings and nails as well as people holding their heads, covering their ears for a good, post blast, minute.

When issues have been confused beyond recognition... and create a divide between "believers" and "thinkers," maybe it's time to let Occam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) do the cutting:


As if you could pay somebody enough to stand within feet of a real bomb going off. If these things really are some sort of false flag, then why get the actors? Why get the fake amputees and the fake blood? Don’t you think it would make a whole lot more sense for the government to just pay one or two guys a ****load of money and just drop the real bombs off and walk away? You wouldn’t f***ing need any of these actors cause the real injuries and death would be good enough. Occam’s Razor people.
Posted by screenwatcher | April 22, 2013, 7:48 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47917)



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Perhaps the purpose was to instill fear instead of killing many. Fear is a potent weapon. Just witness the plethora of freedom robbing laws bestowed upon us by our government to make us feel “safe”. And of course, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men with their DHS provided domestic weaponry and armored cars and automatics couldn’t find one skinny 19yr old nor keep anyone safe. They did a great job of their martial law shut down for ordinary folks though.
Posted by roseandpeony (http://gravatar.com/roseandpeony) | April 22, 2013, 7:51 pm (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/#comment-47919)

[TargeT]

I can only refer you back to post # 781 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669479&viewfull=1#post669479) which give examples that such a thing is actually possible:

Possible and probable are two different things.

I tend to look beyond the details at the whole, then trace back to the details to evaluate them in the light of the whole & thus, in this case; I am not willing to lend "possibility" out easily.

[Hervé]

All right, let me rephrase my intro to post # 939 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=673985&viewfull=1#post673985) above into:


I can only refer you back to post # 781 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=669479&viewfull=1#post669479) which give examples that such a thing have actually been witnessed:

[Slorri]

[...]

That is 32 minutes after the first pop! Or...?

[...]

I can only conclude you didn't bother much with reading and/or understanding post # 919 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=673314&viewfull=1#post673314) nor post # 925 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=673487&viewfull=1#post673487) above or, else, there is a fundamental struggle in applying basic arithmetic:
...

Sorry about that Amzer Zo. I think you missed the point.
In that video by the ozzi, cowboy and superman is seen scooting along the street in their wheelchair 32 minutes after the first pop.

The first pop happened at 2:49 pm EDT.
The reporter stated the time when he spoke to be 3:21 (pm EDT).

That is 32 minutes after the first pop, they were still out on the street carting around.

If they left the blast-site 6 minutes after the blast, then they would have been out there on the streets 26 minutes and counting....

[Slorri]

JEFF BAUMAN BOSTON HERO

"A tribute to double amputee victim of the Boston Marathon Bombing....a look back.
You can LEAN on all of us Jeff. We salute you!"

uUqaFHedaaI

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Nine days after amputation.

[InCiDeR]

JEFF BAUMAN BOSTON HERO

"A tribute to double amputee victim of the Boston Marathon Bombing....a look back.
You can LEAN on all of us Jeff. We salute you!"

uUqaFHedaaI



¤=[Post Update]=¤

Nine days after amputation.


I am not positive though that the person in the video is Jeff Bauman, here is a snapshot:

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6177/jeffbauman.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46/jeffbauman.jpg/)

[Slorri]

Either way, it's evidently not him during the nine days after the bombing.

[JohnEAngel]

sorry if this has been posted before, this is such a huge thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbbsirVI_k

makes me wonder if some of these people are shapeshifters if you know what i mean.

this shows the lady in red late for work at the 8:50 mark.

[ThePythonicCow]

sorry if this has been posted before, this is such a huge thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbbsirVI_k

makes me wonder if some of these people are shapeshifters if you know what i mean.

this shows the lady in red late for work at the 8:50 mark.

That video was uploaded 10 days ago, so you can pretty well guess it's discussed somewhere on this thread :).

And indeed it is. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=671683&viewfull=1#post671683), this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=671758&viewfull=1#post671758), this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=671790&viewfull=1#post671790), this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=671825&viewfull=1#post671825), and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Boston-marathon-bombings--was-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-&p=671901&viewfull=1#post671901).

[Slorri]

Excellent video there JohnEAngel, it points out more of the details.
And it also covers one of the heavy set sisters first running around and then showing signs of agonizing pain on the stretcher.

Do keep the thought of them being shapeshifters, there are signs of this.

[Cidersomerset]

Related ..........I keep adding these article to show the bigger picture imo .....
If you wonder what I'm up to...LOl....


Pentagon Unilaterally Grants Itself Authority Over ‘Civil Disturbances’

Wednesday, 15 May 2013 10:53

Posted by David Icke



http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May20139/military_1.jpg

'The manhunt for the Boston Marathon bombing suspects offered the nation a
window into the stunning military-style capabilities of our local law enforcement
agencies. For the past 30 years, police departments throughout the United States
have benefitted from the government’s largesse in the form of military weaponry
andtraining, incentives offered in the ongoing “War on Drugs.” For the average
citizen watching events such as the intense pursuit of the Tsarnaev brothers on
television, it would be difficult to discern between fully outfitted police SWAT teams
and the military.'

Read more: Pentagon Unilaterally Grants Itself Authority Over ‘Civil Disturbances’

http://www.longislandpress.com/2013/05/14/u-s-military-power-grab-goes-into-effect/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/84170-pentagon-unilaterally-grants-itself-authority-over-civil-disturbances

[Slorri]

New Images of Boston Bombing Reveals Moulage Kits and Fake Blood

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/05/14/new-images-of-boston-bombing-false-flag-reveal-moulage-kits-and-fake-blood/

http://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/boston-bomb-scene-analysis-of-moulage-kits.jpg

[Slorri]

Makeup wounds.
http://www.compositeeffects.com/site_images/FX/CSB/makeup_stage03.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

Russ Baker, over at WhoWhatWhy, has a good article listing the many discrepancies in the accounts we've been told so far of this Boston Marathon Bombings: WHO in Boston: Bombing Story Mysteries (http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/14/who-in-boston-bombing-story-mysteries/).

[Cidersomerset]

I'm into Games of Thrones and this weeks episode shows the maester bandaging
Jamies recently severed wrist, I thought very good make up.

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[TargeT]

I haven't seen this one up yet...

http://imageshack.us/a/img15/7500/2013bostonmarathonafter.jpg

http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/fakewheelchrlady.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/4041/63152320.jpg

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http://nodisinfo.com/Home/fake-lady-in-the-wheelchair-up-close/

The video is pretty interesting, sure seems like an unrealistic situation to me.

[InCiDeR]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIqAXzfCcAIi5a1.png:large

The above picture makes it pretty obvious that the police/FBI changed their story along the way.

This picture is what MSM showed us:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/sunil-picture.jpg

[Earth Angel]

and dont you always stop for snacks when you're about to do a major bombing? you know those jobs just make you so hungry !!

[Slorri]

Can't they see the writing on the wall?

The discovery of writings intensified tensions between the FBI and local police when FBI agents believed some Boston officers and state police had taken cell phone pictures of the writing.
Agents demanded the phones of all officers at the scene the night of the capture of Dzhokhar be confiscated to avoid the photos becoming public before being used as evidence at trial, according to two law enforcement officials.
A FBI spokesperson said agents cannot confiscate phones without a warrant and officials said none of the police approached would agree to turn over their phones to the FBI.
http://news.yahoo.com/f-america-boston-marathon-bomb-164144253.html

[Slorri]

There is now a picture of superman Jeff 8 minutes before the blast.
http://i.imgur.com/vHrlJ2P.jpg

[InCiDeR]

Can't they see the writing on the wall?
(...)



Dzhokhar Tsarnaev found a pen inside the boat he was using to hide out
Couldn't find paper so he wrote a confession on the interior wall
Said he wouldn't miss his brother Tamerlan because he was a 'martyr' who was in 'paradise' and Dzhokhar expected to join him soon


(...)Because police fired hundreds of bullets at the boat during their attempt to capture Dzhokhar, the note is riddled with bullet holes. (...)

Daily Mail/read article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325524/Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-Boston-bomber-scrawled-F--America-confession-boat.html#ixzz2TUNNGFOo)

Right. That is what you do when hundreds of bullets try to kill you. You start writing your confession with a pen on the wall in a boat.... in the dark...

Interesting how this article focus on the writing on the wall and NOT on the fact that police fired hundreds of bullets in an attempt (?!) to catch an unarmed kid, 19-years old.... I guess I have nothing more to say about that...

[Cidersomerset]

http://www.fortythree.com/Stencils/Public/FeerTV/fear_tv.jpg




FBI surrounds house of Saudi student after sightings of him with pressure cooker pot - only to discover he was cooking RICE

Friday, 17 May 2013 08:21
Posted by David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/May201395/12343.jpg


'A Saudi student living in Michigan was questioned in his home by FBI agents after
neighbours saw him carrying a pressure cooker and called the police.

Talal al Rouki had been cooking a traditional Saudi Arabian rice dish called kabsah
and was carrying it to a friend's house.

According to reports in a Saudi newspaper on Friday, the FBI are increasingly
vigilant about 'pressure cooker' home-made bombs after the Boston bombers used
one to make an explosive.'

Read more: FBI surrounds house of Saudi student after sightings of him with pressure cooker pot - only to discover he was cooking RICE

http://uruknet.info/?p=m97606&hd=&size=1&l=e

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/84198-fbi-surrounds-house-of-saudi-student-after-sightings-of-him-with-pressure-cooker-pot-only-to-discover-he-was-cooking-rice

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Army vet beaten up for being Muslim


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Published on 16 May 2013


Virginia TaxiCab Driver Mohamed Salim was called to a routine pick up from Fairfax
Virginia Country Club on April 26th, 2013. He didn't know he would capture a crime
committed against him- but pulled out his cellphone and hit record, after an uneasy
feeling. His passenger Edward Dahlberg, president of Emerald Aviation, of Clifton
Virginia subjected Salim to a hate filled profanity laced rant, that resulted in Salim
being punched repeatedly in his face. Dalhberg was not charged with a hate crime,
despite the fact that he cites the reason for his rant that Mr. Salim is Muslim. CAIR
attorney represents Mr. Salim, and is pressuring local prosecutors to make this case
a hate crime

[Slorri]

Variations on a theme: Hero
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[Slorri]

Now that we have studied the Boston marathon bombing event for a while, I would like to offer a hypothesis for a bit of the grander scheme.

Note first that they said clearly over the loudspeaker before the start that they were conducting a drill. We'll keep this in mind.

Now have a look at this. Out of respect for this person's integrity I will only post a link and make a short quote of the vital part.
http://www.westfordmommy.com/2013/05/my-boston-marathon-thoughts.html

This is an experienced runner, and she is offering her thoughts on the 2013 Boston marathon. Make a note of this little line: "My heart dropped and I lost all normal thinking." This is after 15 miles when she found out she had lost her salt tablet.

Put these two factors together: The drill, and the drop of heart and loss of normal thinking.

Next, think about the lockdown of Boston. How was that even possible? How could they make everyone comply? Was the drill still going on? Was there still a drop of heart and loss of normal thinking?

What was the drill really about?
Is this drill still going on?



Also, as curiosa, compare the images at the runners blog-site to this of one of the victims, taken the day of the bombing, it is said.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZOzrz7DwI_g/UW_tuA6C4cI/AAAAAAAAGFE/mmHoixIwx3s/s320/541588_10151831800860898_319837320_n.jpg

We see the supporter have staged themselves in a similar fashion. The ones to our left have similar hair and glasses. One team is labelling their character as Wonder Woman, the other one as Superman.



The hypothesis is that the drill might have been that they were testing how well they could pull this thing off, in broad daylight, in front of the world, by in some way affecting people's thinking.

They were already very successful at Sandy Hook.
And we clearly see the drop of heart and the loss of normal thinking with James Holmes, the alleged Aurora shooter.

[Slorri]

Jumbo Screen goes missing.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/599436_604090539609019_1219226881_n.jpg

[Slorri]

How to Fake Death at the Boston Marathon - What They Don't Want You to Know
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[Slorri]

Should report also that I did ask the hahatango, the one who claim he took pictures from a window behind the large video screen, what happened to this screen. He deleted my question with no reply.

In my book that hahatango is just as suspicious as the other person who took pictures from a window down by the finish line.

What is up with this "ha ha tango" stuff? Whan they also have a jokar in the game!

[TargeT]

How to Fake Death at the Boston Marathon - What They Don't Want You to Know
itJScgTtXMw

Damn good video, nice work by the maker.

[Slorri]

In connection to the missing large screen monitor.
Observe this comment under the image:

"Mark Estabrook (5 weeks ago | reply)
Aaron, this looks like a class photo. In some ways, I guess it is. They and you are all linked together now for the rest of your lives. So many of them are looking right at you, as if you were on a megaphone saying "all right now, everyone look at the camera!""
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatango/8652737289/in/set-72157633252445135/

[Slorri]

Official Story Has Odd Wrinkles: A Pack Of Questions About The Boston Bombing Backpacks

http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/official-story-has-odd-wrinkles-a-pack-of-questions-about-the-boston-bombing-backpacks/


First of all, nobody looking at the evidence to date has tried loading up one of these Fagor pots with the amount of weight that would have been created by a big four or five quarts’ worth of black powder, perhaps two quarts of nails, and perhaps a pound or two of BB shot, to see what it would look like in a basic unstructured book bag of the type the two men were wearing.

WhoWhatWhy decided to do that.

[Slorri]

Jumbo Screen goes missing.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/599436_604090539609019_1219226881_n.jpg


I believe we have found the missing large screen.
It's still there. They have lowered it and turned it around.
We are seeing the light grey backside of it, just below the red brick section of the building.

21479

[Slorri]

Had they not lowered the screen then hahatango would not have been able to take all those photos from the window with the white mark on.

Still very peculiar that he was able to take photos of the crowd looking up at the screen, while the screen covered his window.

As I might have mentioned, I asked him about that screen, and he deleted my question. A very suspect creature that hahatango.

[Slorri]

Now what about this:

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[InCiDeR]

They covering their tracks in every possible manner...

Here is another article and also a video in the link:


A man who was shot dead by an FBI agent late Tuesday night in Orlando knew one of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings, a man identified as friend of the victim said Wednesday.

The agent encountered the man while conducting official duties, agent Dave Couvertier said in a statement.

A man at the scene on Peregrine Avenue near Kirkman and Vineland roads who identified himself as a friend of the victim said the man knew Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older brother suspected in the April 15 bombings that killed three and injured more than 260.

Khusen Taramov said he and his friend had no connection with the Boston bombings, but the FBI had been questioning them since then.

"He used to talk on the phone with him [Tsarnaev]," Taramov said of his friend. "They talked last time a month ago. After the bombing, I couldn't believe it," he said.

"The FBI kept asking, 'What's the connection?' But there is no connection... no connection."

Taramov said the victim had planned to return to Chechnya but had canceled his tickets.

"Me and him and my friends, we knew this was going to happen. That's why he wanted to leave the country," Taramov said. "But he canceled the tickets. The FBI's been pushing him, 'Don't leave, don't leave.' So he decided to stay," he said.

Taramov said the FBI had questioned him earlier Tuesday, but he was allowed to leave. When he returned, he said he found out his friend had been shot dead, he said.

"The FBI knows what happened," Taramov said.
Source/ video (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/22382085/fbi-agent-shoots-man-dead-in-orlando)

[Slorri]

Some more of the same:

FBI shoot Chechen dead in Florida, suspect questioned in Boston bombings - report


An FBI special agent has shot dead a Chechen man in Orlando, Florida who had previously been questioned in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings. The suspect had reportedly known Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the slain assailant in last month’s attack.

The shooting transpired just after midnight in an apartment complex after a special agent was reportedly attacked after encountering the suspect. The FBI has not released the name of the suspect, though friends identified the man who was shot and killed as Ibragim Todashev, 27.

Kushen Taramov, a friend of the suspect, said he and Todashev were interviewed by FBI agents for nearly three hours on Tuesday in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings.

“(The FBI) took me and my friend, the suspect that got killed. They were talking to us, both of us, right? And they said they need him for a little more, for a couple more hours, and I left, and they told me they’re going to bring him back. They never brought him back,” WESH Orlando cites Taramov as saying.

Taramov said after he concluded the interview, he came back to the apartments to discover that there had been a shooting.

The FBI has not confirmed any link between Todashev and the Boston bombings, but Taramov told WKMG Local that the suspect had known Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who died from injuries sustained in a shootout with police days after the Boston marathon bombing.

http://rt.com/usa/chechen-shot-orlando-boston-627/

What a strange thing to say.

[Slorri]

Another thing now. If you have watched the video of Boston Marathon Bombing - Guy Makes Dust Over Injured People, and focused on the people in the group, one can see that they are acting really violently, like crocodiles at a feeding frenzy.

Now compare this to what is said about how the men acted in Brutal cleaver assault on man in London street is suspected terror attack.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/world/europe/uk-london-attack/index.html

There are similarities.

[InCiDeR]

A comment from one of the articles regarding the killed Chechen:


he was being interrogated by FBI special agents with the presence of two Massachusetts State Police troopers when they had no choice but to kill him for brandishing a knife!!!! who is coming up with these scenarios?


What ever happened with trials? Does everyone have a "license to kill" in the FBI/CIA/police all of the sudden, when did they decide that?


Ju_by-sC79c

Maybe we should call Ernst Stavro Blofeld to counteract this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Blofeldpleasance67.jpg

[InCiDeR]

Another thing now. If you have watched the video of Boston Marathon Bombing - Guy Makes Dust Over Injured People, and focused on the people in the group, one can see that they are acting really violently, like crocodiles at a feeding frenzy.

Now compare this to what is said about how the men acted in Brutal cleaver assault on man in London street is suspected terror attack.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/world/europe/uk-london-attack/index.html

There are similarities.

Highly interesting!

Playing the "muslim" card again are we?

(...)The man, who is black and appears to have a London accent, carries on: "The only reasons we killed this man this is because Muslims are dying daily. This British soldier is an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth.(...)

They starting to heat up MKULtra in full scale?

(...)The men appeared to want to be filmed, he said, saying that one of the attackers went over to a bus and asked people to take photos of him as if he wanted to be on TV.(...)

[Slorri]

This is an excellent analysis of the situation, Sandy Hook, Boston marathon, London, by Morris.
By coincidence he uses the same word as I did: Frenzy.

Was The Attack In Woolwich A Hoax? - Morris
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[Bongo]

2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s Arrest “FALL” Out of Helicopter and Die

from here: http://www.prisonplanet.com/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokhar-tsarnaevs-arrest-fall-out-of-helicopter-and-die.html

May 23, 2013

Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died Friday while practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope, the FBI announced Monday in a statement.

The statement gave few details regarding the deaths of Special Agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, other than to say the helicopter encountered unspecified difficulties and the agents fell a “significant distance.”

Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. And in February, it rescued a 5-year-old boy held hostage for six days in an underground bunker in Alabama.

“Whenever things go really wrong, the FBI calls in the Hostage Rescue Team. It’s the government’s 911,” Coulson said.

Irvin Wells, a former FBI special agent who retired in 1990 after leading the Norfolk field office for three years, stressed that the Hostage Rescue Team is different from the FBI’s regular SWAT teams. He noted that agents assigned to a field office’s SWAT team also must perform other jobs inside the bureau, while agents assigned to the Hostage Rescue Team have no other duties.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx?n=christopher-lorek&pid=164892521&fhid=4651#fbLoggedOut

[Earth Angel]

this is like Seal Team 6 all over again
2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Arrest "FALL" Out of Helicopter and Die

See its time for these police men and troops to realize even following orders won't help you.....everyone is disposable!

http://12160.info/page/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokar-tsarnaev-s-arrest-fall-out-of-he?xg_source=msg_mes_network

[InCiDeR]

2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Arrest "FALL" Out of Helicopter and Die

Well now, isn't that convenient?

*struggling hard to keep my conspiracy thoughts in reins*

Two less potential leaks to worry about what really happened in that arrest.

As usual, my thoughts goes out to all family members and friends to the people involved.

I so wish all of these waves of madness could just stop...

[TargeT]

this is like Seal Team 6 all over again
2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Arrest "FALL" Out of Helicopter and Die

See its time for these police men and troops to realize even following orders won't help you.....everyone is disposable!

http://12160.info/page/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokar-tsarnaev-s-arrest-fall-out-of-he?xg_source=msg_mes_network

that link wouldn't work for me,

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast

http://www.globalresearch.ca/two-fbi-agents-involved-in-arrest-of-boston-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaevs-fall-out-of-helicopter-and-die/5336131

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx?n=christopher-lorek&pid=164892521&fhid=4651#fbLoggedOut

This is just too much.... seems overly sloppy to me.

[InCiDeR]

'Dead Boston bomber involved in 2011 triple murder'


Washington: Deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev participated in a 2011 gruesome triple murder outside Boston along with a Chechen killed during a confrontation with law enforcement officers, according to media reports.

Ibragim Todashev was fatally shot early Wednesday during an interview with the FBI and Massachusetts State Police in Orlando, Florida, CNN reported citing a federal law enforcement official.

But before he was shot, Todashev not only confessed to his direct role in slashing the throats of three people in Waltham, Massachusetts, but also fingered Tsarnaev in the deaths, the official said.

Todashev was being questioned about the slayings and his acquaintance with Tsarnaev, when he attacked an FBI agent, who shot him dead, CNN said. The unsolved triple murder received renewed interest after it was learned that Tsarnaev had been a good friend of one of the Waltham victims.

According to the channel, Todashev told investigators the men were killed during a drug ripoff because he and Tsarnaev were afraid they would be able to identify them and tell police what happened.

So far, no link has been found between Todashev and the Boston Marathon bombings. However, the FBI is looking into the many connections between Todashev and Tsarnaev, whose radicalisation allegedly led to the Boston bombings.

CNN citing a federal law enforcement official said they were initially led to Todashev because they learned he knew Tsarnaev and his younger brother, Dzhokhar. They also said cell phone records connected Tamerlan and Todashev.

Todashev was being interviewed in the kitchen of his Florida home. He grabbed a knife, which is why fatal force was used, the channel said citing a source.

Investigators are awaiting test results to determine whether Todashev's DNA was found at the Massachusetts triple murder scene and whether the DNA of Tamerlan Tsarnaev also was found there.

Todashev and Tsarnaev were were members of the mixed martial arts forum Sherdog.com, along with Russian-Canadian boxer-turned-jihadist William Plotnikov, CNN reported citing a source
Source (http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/dead-boston-bomber-involved-in-2011-triple-murder_850359.html)


Didn't FBI have the brothers under surveillance before Boston Bombings?

So now FBI strikes two?

1. They missed that the brothers planned Boston bombings
2. Now it seems they also missed that one of the brothers was involved in a triple murder!



Russia: Friend of Boston bomb suspect shot dead in US was innocent, says father

SOT: Abdul-Baki Todashev, Father of Ibragim Todashev (Russian): "He had a ticket for a flight back in May 24. They had his plans changed by killing him. That man lived in Boston, and my boy lived in Florida. He moved a year ago. When he still lived in Boston, they just attended the same gym, as it now turns out. If you didn't provoke him, he would never attacked anyone, he was very quiet.

From what I heard, five or six police officers entered his house. I don't know much, really. How could he have attacked anyone, and a police officer in particular, with a knife, if there were five or six of them, and they were in his house? While in Florida, he underwent surgery to fix an injured knee, so it was impossible for him physically to be present anywhere.

So when those bombings took place in Boston, he was still either in hospital or at home recovering from the surgery. He couldn't take part in the terror act because it wasn't physcially possible. After the surgery he had to learn how to walk anew. Like all Chechens, he practiced Islam, that's it. He never had any radical or extreme views. Before he came to the US, he lived and studied in the city of Saratov.

When he completed his third year of studies, we moved to Grozny. Life had imrpoved in Chechnya so we repaired our house and moved back. So he moved too and began studying here at the local university. When he completed his fourth year, he asked me to let him go to the US to practice the English language which he studied here.

When he spent some time there, he asked me if he could stay in the US because he obviously took a liking to the place. I told him he needed to complete his studies first. He replied he would come back in a few years' time, apply for the university again and complete the only year remaining."


SCRIPT

Russia: Friend of Boston bomb suspect shot dead in US was innocent, says father

The father of Ibragim Todashev, friend of Boston marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, killed during an encounter with FBI agents in Florida on Tuesday says his could not have been involved in the bombing. During a telephone interview from the city of Grozny in the Russian region of Chechnya, Abdul-Baki Todashev said his son first came to the US to improve his English before he 'obviously took a liking to the place.'

"He had a ticket for a flight back in May 24," he said. "They had his plans changed by killing him. That man lived in Boston, and my boy lived in Florida. He moved a year ago. When he still lived in Boston, they just attended the same gym, as it now turns out. If you didn't provoke him, he would never attacked anyone, he was very quiet."

"From what I heard, five or six police officers entered his house. I don't know much, really. How could he have attacked anyone, and a police officer in particular, with a knife, if there were five or six of them, and they were in his house? While in Florida, he underwent surgery to fix an injured knee, so it was impossible for him physically to be present anywhere. So when those bombings took place in Boston, he was still either in hospital or at home recovering from the surgery. He couldn't take part in the terror act because it wasn't physcially possible.

"After the surgery he had to learn how to walk anew. Like all Chechens, he practiced Islam, that's it. He never had any radical or extreme views. Before he came to the US, he lived and studied in the city of Saratov. When he completed his third year of studies, we moved to Grozny. Life had imrpoved in Chechnya so we repaired our house and moved back. So he moved too and began studying here at the local university.

"When he completed his fourth year, he asked me to let him go to the US to practice the English language which he studied here. When he spent some time there, he asked me if he could stay in the US because he obviously took a liking to the place. I told him he needed to complete his studies first. He replied he would come back in a few years' time, apply for the university again and complete the only year remaining."

Igragim Todashev is alleged to have attacked law enforcement on Wednesday morning with a knife as he was being interviewed about his ties to the Boston Marathon bombing suspects. An officer then fatally shot Todashev, police officials said. The shooting occurred ina sprawling condominium complex less than one mile (1.6 kilometres) from the entrance to Universal Studios, a popular amusement park in Orlando, Florida.

Officials were questioning Todashev over whether he was involved in an unsolved Sept. 11, 2011 triple murder in Waltham, Massachusetts, which some have claimed Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and older brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev may have committed. The Tsarnaev's mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, has said that Todashev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev saw each other regularly in Boston.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been with multiple crimes in connection with the April 15 Boston Marathon bombings. The most serious charge the 19-year-old faces is use of a weapon of mass destruction. If convicted, he could face execution. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with law enforcement April 18 in Boston. The Boston Marathon bombings killed three people and injured about 200, while the April 18-19 shootout resulted in the death of a Massachusetts Institute of Technology campus police officer.
Source/video (http://ruptly.tv/vod/view/1392/russia-friend-of-boston-bomb-suspect-shot-dead-in-us-was-innocent-says-father)

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of RT reports basically the same .......


FBI kills man with possible Boston bombing ties

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Published on 22 May 2013


On Tuesday, Ibragim Todashev was shot and killed by an
FBI agent in Orlando, Florida after he allegedly went crazy
during an interview that connected him to the Boston
Marathon bombing. According to reports, Todashev was
about to sign a statement admitting a role in the terror
plot but then pulled a knife. Here is our report.

-----------------------------------------------------------

FBI shoots dead Chechen linked to Boston terror suspects

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Published on 22 May 2013


A Chechen man who was being investigated over possible
links to last month's Boston marathon bombings has been
shot dead by the FBI outside his house in Florida. Ibragim
Todashev allegedly knew the Tsarnaev brothers - the main
suspects in the terror attack probe.
READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/q9r33f

[Slorri]

Boston Marathon Bombing - Boston or Disneyland? You'd Never Guess!!

-WQmQxiaLmc

[Slorri]

Jeff Bauman, Carlos Arredondo Throw Out First Pitch at Fenway Park Before Red Sox-Phillies Game (Video)

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/05/jeff-bauman-carlos-arredondo-throw-out-first-pitch-at-fenway-park-before-red-sox-phillies-game-video/

[TargeT]

Shot in the back of the head... wow... and unarmed.. so that's a pretty clear coverup, eh?

Officials: Man who knew Boston bombing suspect was unarmed when shot
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/officials-man-who-knew-boston-bomber-was-unarmed-when-shot/2013/05/29/21f05b74-c8a8-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story.html?tid=ts_carousel

[dianna]

FBI agents involved in Tsarnaev arrest have an unfortunate helicopter accident


http://12160.info/page/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokar-tsarnaev-s-arrest-fall-out-of-he?xg_source=msg_mes_network

[Cidersomerset]

Tsarnaev acquaintance killed by FBI unarmed

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Published on 30 May 2013


Ibragim Todashev was shot six times last week by FBI agents after being
questioned about his relationship with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the late suspected
Boston Marathon bomber. Todashev was reportedly unarmed at the time of his
death, and his father says federal investigators shot him in the head — and has the
photos to prove it. RT's Martina Portnaya offers updates on the case from New York.

[turiya]

Surprisingly, I found an interesting CNN video interview of members of the Boston swat team that played a part in the Dzhokhar shoot-out & arrest. Anderson Cooper is asking questions to the spokesman of this team. When asked about Dzhokhar's throat wound, the swat team spokesman replies by saying it looked to him like it was a "knife cut", which invokes noticeable reactions by three team members that were positioned next to & behind him in the camera shot. I have not seen this particular video posted here, as of yet. So here it is - have a look-see for yourselves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd1iV3GCIk4

turiya :cool:

[Cidersomerset]

'Why did the FBI execute my boy?' Father of Boston bomber's friend displays
gruesome photos of his son's corpse showing unarmed man was shot seven times
during questioning - including once in the back of the head

Friday, 31 May 2013 09:13
Posted by David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/a1/article-2333101-1a1186f1000005dc-401_634x430.jpg

'The father of Ibragim Todashev, who was shot by an FBI agent a week ago while
being quizzed over his links to the Boston bombers, revealed the extent of his son's
injuries in gruesome photographs of his dead body today.

Outspoken Abdul-Baki Todashev called for an investigation and possible legal action
against the agent involved at a press conference in Moscow where he showed the
images of his son's body lying in a morgue with up to seven gunshot wounds,
including one to the back of the head.

His angry calls for justice came as a report claimed the 27-year-old native Chechen
was unarmed in the clash with a federal agent in Florida on May 22.'

Read more: 'Why did the FBI execute my boy?' Father of Boston bomber's friend
displays gruesome photos of his son's corpse showing unarmed man was shot
seven times during questioning - including once in the back of the head

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/84991-why-did-the-fbi-execute-my-boy-father-of-boston-bombers-friend-displays-gruesome-photos-of-his-sons-corpse-showing-unarmed-man-was-shot-seven-times-during-questioning-including-once-in-the-back-of-the-head

[bennycog]

FBI agents involved in Tsarnaev arrest have an unfortunate helicopter accident


http://12160.info/page/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokar-tsarnaev-s-arrest-fall-out-of-he?xg_source=msg_mes_network

The actual press release is here..
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-mourns-the-loss-of-two-special-agents-killed-in-training-exercise
I could not see in the article how they were involved in the arrest.. There is nothing that tells of how they are involved. Only a headline, and others saying they were not involved.. So why have it spread as them being involved in the first place?


http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05_25/FBI-agents-killed-in-training-not-involved-in-Tsarnaev-arrest/
however in the interest of clarifying the truth, she said that the special agent were not in Watertown on April 19 and, therefore did not participate in the arrest Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
http://inserbia.info/news/2013/05/fbi-agents-killed-in-training-were-not-involved-in-dzokhar-tsarnaev-arrest/

"Elite FBI members arresting innocent people? "

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-walking-says-hes-innocent-says-his-mother/story-fni0xs63-1226654165682

"I could just feel that he was being driven crazy by the unfairness that happened to us, that they killed our innocent Tamerlan," their mother said, standing by the family's insistent belief that their children are innocent.

I will have to call it bunk I think.. just cannot find anything to say they were there involved in any arrest..

[dianna]

FBI agents involved in Tsarnaev arrest have an unfortunate helicopter accident


http://12160.info/page/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokar-tsarnaev-s-arrest-fall-out-of-he?xg_source=msg_mes_network

The actual press release is here..
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-mourns-the-loss-of-two-special-agents-killed-in-training-exercise
I could not see in the article how they were involved in the arrest.. There is nothing that tells of how they are involved. Only a headline, and others saying they were not involved.. So why have it spread as them being involved in the first place?


http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05_25/FBI-agents-killed-in-training-not-involved-in-Tsarnaev-arrest/
however in the interest of clarifying the truth, she said that the special agent were not in Watertown on April 19 and, therefore did not participate in the arrest Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
http://inserbia.info/news/2013/05/fbi-agents-killed-in-training-were-not-involved-in-dzokhar-tsarnaev-arrest/

"Elite FBI members arresting innocent people? "

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-walking-says-hes-innocent-says-his-mother/story-fni0xs63-1226654165682

"I could just feel that he was being driven crazy by the unfairness that happened to us, that they killed our innocent Tamerlan," their mother said, standing by the family's insistent belief that their children are innocent.

I will have to call it bunk I think.. just cannot find anything to say they were there involved in any arrest..

Yea, I posted it too quickly, found it on another forum I participate in posted by one of my friends

[Hervé]

Glad to see that other people have been "thinking" and "looking":


Why there were no 'actors' at the Boston Marathon bombings (http://www.sott.net/article/262361-Why-there-were-no-actors-at-the-Boston-Marathon-bombings#)

Joe Quinn
Sott.net, Sun, 02 Jun 2013 22:40 CDT


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141312/medium/Boston_Marathon_Bombing_US_fla.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141312/full/Boston_Marathon_Bombing_US_fla.jpg)
The Boston Bombings: Made in America

The idea that many 'terrorist' attacks are in fact carried out by government intelligence agencies is not a new concept (we here at Sott.net have spent the last ten years attempting to highlight the evidence for government complicity in 'Islamic terrorism' for one example). What is new is the idea that these government-inspired or perpetrated terrorist attacks are somehow doubly "fake" in the sense that some or all of the details of the attack didn't actually happen in any real sense. The idea is that, not only was the attack fake in the sense that government, not 'Muslim terrorists' or 'homegrown terrorists', were responsible, but that the apparent victims were fake also, their roles, where necessary, being portrayed by 'actors', presumably working for the government. The claim that 'crisis actors' were used in place of real victims has been made about the December 2012 Sandy Hook shootings, the more recent Boston marathon bombings and even the May 22nd knife attack on a British soldier in London.

To clarify, the idea of 'actors' as it is being used in this context is not the same as 'media plants'. Media plants are people placed at the scene of a government false-flag terror attack who pose as 'eyewitnesses' to establish an official narrative for the media and public. 'Actors', on the other hand, are people who are supposedly part of the false-flag attack itself and who pose as victims of the attack but who are not really injured at all.

The Sandy Hook massacre last December seems to have been the the first major event where the 'actors' idea gained traction. Within a month of the massacre, there were literally hundreds of Youtube videos and articles supposedly providing proof that the parents and neighbors of the victims were actually crisis actors and, therefore, the entire event was probably staged and no one was killed. The 'hoax' was, it is claimed, a crass and obvious attempt by the government to impose 'gun control' on America.

Many of the Sandy Hook hoax videos have received tens, and sometimes hundreds of thousands of views. I wrote about the implausibility of that particular 'actors' theory here (http://www.sott.net/article/256232-Sandy-Hook-hoaxes-and-the-terror-of-the-situation) and tried to compile the best evidence for Sandy Hook being a US intel 'black' operation here (http://www.sott.net/article/255766-The-Sandy-Hook-Massacre-Unanswered-Questions) and here (http://joequinn.net/2013/01/08/wellaware1-com-nutjobs-par-excellence/). Despite my efforts, (not that I ever expect them to make much difference) the 'terror attack actors' idea continued to gain pace and made a serious reappearance at the Boston Marathon bombings.

The main 'evidence' for 'actors' at the Boston marathon bombings centered around one of the victims, Jeff Bauman. Bauman is the guy whose picture was sensationally splashed across media newspapers and websites as he was taken from the scene of the bombing in a wheelchair with the bone of one of his severed legs protruding.


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141275/large/bauman.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141275/full/bauman.jpg)
I'm pretty sure half the planet saw that particular image.


Proponents of the 'actors' theory seized on this image as hard evidence that 'fakery' was afoot. After all, where was all the blood that surely should have been spurting from his leg? Even in the immediate aftermath of the bomb, it is claimed, pictures of the scene are devoid of any significant amounts of blood and certainly no spurting from Bauman's leg(s).

Disbelievers also pointed to the color of what blood there was on the ground, citing it as evidence that obviously fake or 'stage' blood because it was just too bright to be real. Some pundits even pointed out that there were different colors of blood from one image to the next!


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141276/large/leg1.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141276/full/leg1.jpg)
And what about those people around Bauman? One guy seems to be putting on his sunglasses just seconds after the bombing!




http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141284/large/sunglasses_big1.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141284/full/sunglasses_big1.jpg)
Surely all of these details constitute 'slam dunk' evidence that the Boston bombings were faked in the sense that 'crisis actors' were used, at least as part of the operation?



The problem with this theory is that it has no legs, so to speak. It seems that not one of the advocates of the 'actors' theory bothered to think about the implications of their claims. If they had, they would have been quickly confronted with some rather implausible conclusions.

For example, if Jeff Bauman was, as is claimed, an 'actor' who was already an amputee and was fitted with the bony prosthetics immediately after the bombing, how do we explain that none of his family or friends have spoken up and pointed out that Jeff couldn't have lost his legs in the bombing because he lost them several months or years ago?

Jeff has been widely feted in the media in the months since the bombing, and made a surprise appearance before the Boston Bruins ice hockey game in early May. A few days ago Jeff threw the first pitch (http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2013/05/28/jeff-bauman-first-pitch-red-sox/) at Red Sox game.


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141279/large/Untitled45.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141279/full/Untitled45.jpg)
Jeff Bauman at a recent Red Sox game


Surely someone who knew him as a prior double amputee would have said something? Then again, maybe his entire family and friends are intelligence operatives too and in on the plot? Maybe Jeff was a 'deep cover' intelligence operative with no public history before the bombings and all of the google images of him (https://www.google.com/search?q=Jeff+Bauman&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=_mmrUfL8NuKu0QWx7YCIDg&biw=1600&bih=718&sei=AWqrUaPhHeir0gXI_YGwDg) (many with legs I would add) that appear to go back several years were planted on google in the run up to his prime time exposure in Boston? Or maybe all of his family and friends were somehow silenced or 'paid off'?

Bauman seems to have been associated with 'Team Stork (http://giving.brighamandwomens.org/teamstork_experience)' which appears to be a marathon running team made up of members of the Brigham and Women's hospital, a teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School that is located in Boston. Here's an image of him with some Team Stork members.


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141222/large/Boston_Marathon_psyop_Bauman_T.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/141222/full/Boston_Marathon_psyop_Bauman_T.jpg)
Jeff Bauman with 'Team Stork' members


From what I can gather, Bauman's girlfriend may have been running in the race as part of 'Team Stork', and she may have been a student nurse at the aforementioned hospital. Alternatively, she and Bauman may simply have been friends with Team Stork runners. In the image below of the scene immediately following the first explosion, the woman in the foreground is wearing a shirt with the blue 'Team Stork' logo on it. She may have been with Bauman as they waiting were for team members to cross the finish line.


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Bloody Actors



The above image shows quite a lot of blood on the ground. As noted, many 'actors' theorists have claimed that this blood is "too red" to be real, despite the fact that there are at least two shades of red blood on the ground. A little research into blood color would quickly have informed such theorists that oxygenated blood is bright red, while deoxygenated blood is a dark (or darker) red color. I would have thought that most people would have at some point in their lives had experience with the color of blood, if only their own, in terms of a small cut. Doesn't everyone know that fresh blood from your finger can be a bright red color and dried coagulated blood is dark red, almost black? In fact, depending on where and when you cut yourself, your blood can be a brighter or a darker shade of red (see the aforementioned oxygenated or deoxygenated blood comment).


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Not enough blood? Wrong color?




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What about this one? Actors? Stage blood?


Continued below...

[Hervé]

Severed Arteries, Spurting and Instant Death

Then there is the image of Bauman himself and his protruding femur. 'Actors' theorists were quick to point to the 'evidence' that there is very little blood on Jeff's leg, either in the images immediately after the bomb went off and also when he was being wheeled away from the scene in a wheelchair. I've spoken to several practicing doctors, all of whom have experience of serious trauma victims. Not one of them were surprised that there was not a large amount of blood squirting from Bauman's wounds. What most of them did say was that they had been surprised at the lack of blood when they first encountered trauma victims early in their careers, but that they were quickly able to understand it based on their prior knowledge of human anatomy, and that since then, they're never surprised at a lack of blood loss in trauma patients.

In Bauman's case, the 'actors' theorists claim was that, since his femoral artery was "severed", there should have been massive blood loss and he should not have survived. The problem here is again one of a lack of cursory research by those promoting the theory.

The femoral artery runs inside the thigh from the pelvis down to above the knee. The now infamous picture of Bauman in the wheelchair shows pretty clearly that both of his knees are intact and that his major injuries are below the knee. Therefore, it is not true to say that his femoral artery was severed.

Even in the case that his femoral artery had been severed, arteries are sphincteral, that is to say, they spasm and contract when severed. This appears to be a natural life-preserving function of the body to prevent blood loss. When arteries are compromised, coagulation factors are also released that facilitate the formation of thrombi which minimize blood loss. Just like the formation of a scab over a wound. It is such an effective system that blood thinner drugs are often given to prevent the formation of these thrombi during surgery on an artery.

There are other arteries in the lower leg (the anterior and posterior tibial arteries) but these are not major arteries and if severed, as in Bauman's case, would very likely have spasmed resulting in a fairly quick reduction in blood loss. In addition, the man in the cowboy hat (Carlos Arredondo) had tied a tourniquet to his mid-thigh area, further restricting blood loss. (By the way, the reason Bauman was evacuated in a wheelchair was because there are usually many wheelchairs at the finish line of races for people who really shouldn't be running marathons to sit down in, before they collapse).


The Implausibility of Crisis Actors at a Real Bombing


The following images were taken by a person in an office on the first floor of a building directly behind where the first bomb went off. Two photos appear to have been taken every second (the person probably just held down the shutter release button). You can see the full sequence here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/95222051@N04/). These photos, along with a video of the bomb exploding (see below), provide fairly conclusive proof that Jeff Bauman was at more or less 'ground zero' of the explosion, and that a bomb really did go off.

The first image below shows the scene immediately after the bomb went off. Bauman and a few other people are in the center surrounded by a cloud of smoke. As the smoke clears in the subsequent images, you can see Bauman lying on the ground with his back to the camera. There is a man with a black and grey hooded top (the hood is grey) right in front of Bauman. This is 'sunglasses man'.

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Photo #1

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Photo#2

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Photo#3

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Photo#4

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Photo#5

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Photo#6

Take note of the man running on the road in the top right of each photograph. He is wearing a black or dark blue running outfit with white short sleeves. He is also wearing pink socks (we'll call him 'pink socks'). He can be seen in the video below reacting to the bomb.


Here's a still of the man I'm talking about.


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My point here is that, the appearance of 'pink socks' in the video above, and his appearance in the images taken from behind where the bomb went off looking towards the finish line and down at the explosion site establishes that:

a) the bomb was real

b) that Bauman and others were at the site of the explosion.

For the actors theory to be believable therefore, we have to assume that Bauman, as 'actor', was undeterred by the violent explosion and carried on with his assigned job of fitting prostheses to his stumps (or having sunglasses man do it for him) ready for his big photo-op. Or to put it another way, that, in the middle of a bomb blast that clearly did happen, and was clearly strong enough to cause serious injury, a few government hired "crisis actors" were either:

a) manipulated into situating themselves at the site of the bomb (of which they had no knowledge) and then, when it did explode, causing them injuries, they proceeded to carry on with their role of "actors"

b) part of the bomb plot and agreed to place themselves at the site of the bomb, and their lives in danger, so that at least one of them could produce a prosthetic leg with protruding bone for later public viewing.

Bizarrely, this scenario is preferred by many over the scenario that the real bombers would have more likely opted for just detonating the bombs and creating real casualties for public exposure. Clearly the real bombers have no consideration for human life, because three people were killed, one of them an eight year old boy at the site of the second bombing that went off 10 seconds after the first and 100 yards away. Unless, of course, we are to believe that those three were also "actors" and did not die at all and were part of the "staged event", their families and friends either in on the plot or 'silenced'.

The Real Evidence Vs COINTELPRO

There seems to be a thread of "fakery" claims that run from 9/11 (the 'blue screen planes' theory) through Sandy Hook (another 'staged event') and Boston which, when looked at from a broad perspective, seems to have been deliberately invented and disseminated in order to discredit the serious evidence for government complicity in these specific 'terror' attacks.

The problem here is that, as concerns the Boston bombings, there is hard evidence that (http://www.sott.net/article/260940-Strategy-of-Tension-Boston-Marathon-bombing):

There was a drill on the day of the marathon
There were spotters on roofs and dog sniffing teams
There were announcements made about the drills
There were two tweets from the Boston Globe on their marathon update page that "authorities have announced that a controlled explosion will take opposite the library in 1 minute" (this was two hours before a bomb went off at that exact location)
The FBI have admitted that they had been in contact with the two brothers for about 5 years
The NY Times ran an article (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) stating that virtually all previous "terror plots" that were "foiled" by the FBI were actually created by the FBI.

The only evidence that the two Tsanarev brothers were involved in the bombing is the alleged testimony of Bauman and, more importantly, the allegation that they killed a policeman a few days later at MIT. All that is really known is that the policeman, officer Sean Collier, was approached by an unknown person(s) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/mit-police-officer-sean-collier-killed) as he sat in his car and shot multiple times. The only evidence linking the Tsarnaev brothers to this killing is the claim made by the unnamed man who was allegedly taken hostage by the brothers after they allegedly killed officer Collier. The story goes that after he was taken hostage in his own car by the brothers, the older brother asked him if he had heard about the Boston bombing. The unnamed hostage replied that he had, and the older Tsarnaev brother then allegedly said;
"I did that, and I just killed a policeman in Cambridge." So basically, the only real evidence linking the brothers to the bombing is the claim by an unnamed alleged hostage that the brothers made their bizarre confession to him that they had killed Collier and were responsible for the bombing.

Coincidentally, the traffic cop who was the first on the scene of Colliers murder (officer Richard Donohue) was a close friend of Collier (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312502/Sean-Collier-Slain-MIT-officer-pictured-wounded-policeman-Richard-Donohue.html). Even more coincidentally, officer Donohue was involved later that evening in the alleged shoot out with the brothers in the Watertown area of Boston, where he was, coincidentally, the only officer to be shot by "friendly fire" (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22180399/2013/05/07/witness-friendly-fire-likely-wounded-mbta-officer-richard-donahue). And to round off the coincidence-fest:
"Officer Donohue of the MBTA Transit Police remembers almost nothing (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/05/19/mbta-transit-police-officer-richard-donohue-wounded-post-marathon-shootout-speaks-about-his-ordeal/1uWfPOSdqeEKOYQjicmTQI/story.html) of the night he was shot during chaotic gunfire on a normally quiet Watertown street, or of the murder of his close friend, MIT police Officer Sean Collier, hours before in Cambridge." What are the odds, eh?

Do you know who J. D. Tippit is? J. D. Tippit was the Dallas policeman who was allegedly shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. The shooting of Tippit was instrumental in framing Oswald, at least in the public mind, for the murder of Kennedy.

Jim Garrison stated (http://scribblguy.50megs.com/tippit.htm) that, "If Oswald was innocent of the Tippit murder, the foundation of the government's case against him collapsed."

And indeed, it appears that the Warren Commission ignored a lot of evidence (http://books.google.fr/books?id=IBLhW_rNZcoC&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) in the form of conflicting eyewitness testimony that strongly suggests Oswald did NOT kill Tippit.

That's just some of the hard evidence that could be used to make a case for the Boston bombings being a govt. operation. But when you add in the idea that the bombings were actually 'staged' by 'actors', and proceed to back it up with very subjective 'evidence', virtually all of which can be exposed as bogus, thereby making those who claim it as 'evidence' look like fools and/or liars, well....you've destroyed any usefulness of the hard evidence by associating it with the bogus evidence. For me, therefore, the 'actors' and 'fakery' meme is more than likely a deliberate attempt to do exactly that.

Of course, there is the other all-important element, without which government/intel attempts to spread disinformation would be useless i.e. the many, many individuals who have bought the story and disseminated the disinfo. I don't for a second believe that owners of respectable websites like Globalresearch.ca or bloggers like Dave McGowan (and many others) are consciously playing a part in the disinfo campaign, but the reality is that they have been aiding and abetting what is most likely a COINTELPRO operation by giving the 'actors' theory legs (so to speak). I won't pretend to know why such previously sober and serious journalists and authors have uncharacteristically been taken in by a con-job (and a rather obvious one at that), except to hypothesize that, as the world continues to spiral down into ever-increasing lies, social hysteria and madness, we may expect to see more and more people begin to 'lose the plot' in more ways than one.

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[ThePythonicCow]

That's just some of the hard evidence that could be used to make a case for the Boston bombings being a govt. operation. But when you add in the idea that the bombings were actually 'staged' by 'actors', and proceed to back it up with very subjective 'evidence', virtually all of which can be exposed as bogus, thereby making those who claim it as 'evidence' look like fools and/or liars, well....you've destroyed any usefulness of the hard evidence by associating it with the bogus evidence. For me, therefore, the 'actors' and 'fakery' meme is more than likely a deliberate attempt to do exactly that.

That part is well said.

We "skeptics" (aka conspiracy theory nut jobs, of which I am proud to be one) have learned to look closely at the video and imagery that leaks out from early in an incident for the tell-tale signs of a con job, a false flag operation, ...

If the bastards running such an operation make the key portion of the operation very real, with real victims getting real limbs blown off and losing real blood, but then seed the early analysis in the alternative media with "observations" of fakery seen in the early video and imagery, that ends up discrediting in general the efforts of skeptics to point out the tell-tale signs of the real con-jobs in other such incidents.

[TargeT]

That's just some of the hard evidence that could be used to make a case for the Boston bombings being a govt. operation. But when you add in the idea that the bombings were actually 'staged' by 'actors', and proceed to back it up with very subjective 'evidence', virtually all of which can be exposed as bogus, thereby making those who claim it as 'evidence' look like fools and/or liars, well....you've destroyed any usefulness of the hard evidence by associating it with the bogus evidence. For me, therefore, the 'actors' and 'fakery' meme is more than likely a deliberate attempt to do exactly that.

That part is well said.

We "skeptics" (aka conspiracy theory nut jobs, of which I am proud to be one) have learned to look closely at the video and imagery that leaks out from early in an incident for the tell-tale signs of a con job, a false flag operation, ...

If the bastards running such an operation make the key portion of the operation very real, with real victims getting real limbs blown off and losing real blood, but then seed the early analysis in the alternative media with "observations" of fakery seen in the early video and imagery, that ends up discrediting in general the efforts of skeptics to point out the tell-tale signs of the real con-jobs in other such incidents.


Another thing I would point out would be:

There's always a motive involved, and in this case, what would the motive be for having actors & fake wounds / fake deaths?

There is no logical motive for that type of action, the people who would do something like this would do it for "real" not some staged stunt, a pressure cooker bomb is pretty nasty & gives the exact effect that was desired (from a government op OR a terrorist attack point of view).

and I'd say that just like 9/11, there is enough WILD doubting theory that they can easily be classified as "conspiracy theory nut jobs" as Paul so aptly put it.

This is really masterfully done, but I wonder how much effort it took to do something like this, or did it take any effort?

[Cidersomerset]

Exclusive: Boston bomb suspect speaks


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Published on 3 Jun 2013



The voice of the teenager suspected of the Boston marathon
bombing - can be heard on this programme for the first time
since he was arrested by police.

[Slorri]

Bosting Marathon Bombing - Am I Really Injured?
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[Slorri]

Exclusive: Boston bomb suspect speaks

...



Published on 3 Jun 2013



The voice of the teenager suspected of the Boston marathon
bombing - can be heard on this programme for the first time
since he was arrested by police.


If this is the voice of Johar then there doesn't seem to be much wrong with it, and we can question the previous interviews and confessions allegedly done by nodding.

[bennycog]

Sorry Slorri, but I find that vid damn insulting to the people of Avalon..
It has no substance to it and well I was kind of appalled about it and the speaker.. I would consider people not to use it as evidence in anything or to try to wake people up with..
No offence to you Slorri :) but I had to get my opinion on it out..