How to deal with Osteoporosis

[william6565william]

I have a friend of mine who is only 33 and told me he had his bone density checked when he complained that his knees are hurting whenever he sits or bends. He said his result of the bone density reading was a -3.0 - a sign he has osteoporosis.

Obviously, I told him to work out more since he could use some pounds to shed, and the common things to do like drink milk and avoid too much fats and stuff. But he doesn't want to take any medication to restore his bone health (neither do I). So I was wondering if anyone here has anything to add to help restore his bone density, particularly through diet and/or alternative treatments he can do. Thanks in advance.

[donk]

well, I was told I had osteoporosis as a kid, when I broke about 10 boned throughout the time I was 13-14...I didn't get enough calcium as I hated milk.

I took calcium supplements, that seemed to help. And I developed a taste for milk, which supposedly has plenty enough calcium if you get some in every once in awhile.

I do my best to try to help :rolleyes: signed, Cpt. Obvious (wish I had better suggestions, just my experience...good luck)

[DeDukshyn]

Two Main things:

Exercise is key, Vit D is key, and Vitamin K is also important.


As for natural supplements:

Strontium and MBP (Milk Basic Protien) are supplements he should be looking into. I can proudly say the supplement company I work for was the first in the world to provide strontium supplement and we have done a large amount of research into it. My Mom improved a whole point in less than 1 year's use of Strontium.

General info from Dr Paul Hrkal ND on Osteoporosis:
http://www.aor.ca/educational-videos/?videoId=gHOhXwCgcSo



Strontium:

http://www.aor.ca/products-page/strontium-support-ii/#research_tab
http://www.aor.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Binder-Strontium-Support-2.pdf


MBP:

http://www.aor.ca/educational-videos/?videoId=y-JDPGD6YKc#products_tab

And look further than just the resources I provide, but that s a good start.

[The Truth Is In There]

high intensity exercise - this is the most important. the body will use up bones and muscles if only a bare minimum is needed. use it or lose it. no pussy exercise and no low intensity long duration exercise like jogging, that's counterproductive.

vitamin d (and k2) and a healthy diet according to his genotype. definitely not vegan and unless he's type A i wouldn't consider vegetarian ideal either. if he's type O lots of organ meat, fat, fish, bone broth and the like. dairy products only if he's type B and does well on them.

[sheme]

Spacemen loose bone density because their bones do not have to take their weight he must take exercise, build up gradually if he has low bone density.

Eat dairy products cheese milk yogurt etc, calcium is naturally found in the soil and it gets into green vegetables.

Limestone areas have plenty of calcium also a good mineral water will help. is he drinking distilled water? as this will remove all calcium as well as impurities, if so take a calcium and mineral supplement.

Mother nature says if you don't use it you loose it. Use your bones and they will become denser if you provide the minerals.

[Spiral]

Magnesium is vital to calcium uptake, the best way (& cheapest) to take it is to buy "Magnesium Chloride Flakes", you can put them in the bath, or what I do is dissolve some in a jug of boiling water, then when its cooled I soak a cloth in it & wrap it around my arm for a couple of hours.

The magnesium is absorbed thru the skin, which is more effective than tablets (which can also interfere with your digestive system) & your body only uses what it needs, you can't OD with it.

This is also good for fatigue & muscle spasms

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/190-2390351-1423458?url=search-alias%3Dhpc&field-keywords=Magnesium%20Chloride%20Flakes

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Actually, contrary to what most people think, drinking milk is terrible for the bones.

Milk acidifies the blood and, to normalize the blood´s Ph, the organism ends up borrowing calcium and phosphate from the most available immediate internal source, which are the bones themselves.

Countless studies prove that excessive milk and other dairy products consumption is actually the biggest cause of osteoporosis. Search the internet for more details. In the meantime, check these articles:

http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

http://www.naturalnews.com/031255_milk_health.html

This "milk is good for the bones" thing is just propaganda from the dairy industry. It´s a lie.

I would recommend taking D, B12 and K vitamin supplements, eating lots of greens (specially the dark green leafs, like cabbage), a little bit of jogging in the morning and avoiding any kind of acid foods

Raf.

[greybeard]

Apple cider vinegar is excellent for balancing the body Ph.
Acidic Ph is not good for many thing--- slightly alkali Ph is an excellent balance.

Chris

[mahalall]

"Magnesium !", (spiral) on to a winner

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[DeDukshyn]

Hey mate,

Actually, contrary to what most people think, drinking milk is terrible for the bones.

Milk acidifies the blood and, to normalize the blood´s Ph, the organism ends up borrowing calcium and phosphate from the most available immediate internal source, which are the bones themselves.

Countless studies prove that excessive milk and other dairy products consumption is actually the biggest cause of osteoporosis. Search the internet for more details. In the meantime, check these articles:

http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

http://www.naturalnews.com/031255_milk_health.html

This "milk is good for the bones" thing is just propaganda from the dairy industry. It´s a lie.

I would recommend taking D, B12 and K vitamin supplements, eating lots of greens (specially the dark green leafs, like cabbage), a little bit of jogging in the morning and avoiding any kind of acid foods

Raf.

Raf is right, and I work in the supplement industry so I know my stuff. In fact - most supplemental forms of calcium are also crap. What you need to ingest is bone. The human body has a unique ability to take an entire "bone molecule" and utilize it as it is, rather than breaking it into it's components and rebuilding it - as is done with most things you ingest. That said, not a lot of people eat bones, but if you have chicken, you can chew some of the softer pieces up, better yet, you can buy "Bone Health Supplements" with a compound called MCHC or micro-crystalline hydroxyapatite. This is a fancy word for a "bone molecule" and is by far the best form to take - as it already contains all the minerals and proteins in the correct ratios, whereas if one supplements with calcium citrate for example, and your body is insufficient in say zinc, copper, or magnesium, etc, which are required for bone production, you are wasting your time and money. Bones aren't made from calcium, that is just one component - a deficiency in any other means you won't be building any bones no matter how much calcium you take.

Other's advice on keeping the body alkaline is also very essential to keep you body from pulling minerals out of the bones.

ADDITION: I guess I wasn't thinking about vegetarians/vegans in my recommendation -- for them I would recommend full spectrum mineral supplement, sufficient calcium - probably in the form of citrate (vegan friendly), plus the supplemental D and K, and PH maintenance. Vegans are at quite a disadvantage in this area (no D3, no K2, no MCHC - all the best forms, but animal based) so I recommend to stay as on the preventative end as possible if you are one.

My 2 cents, but I do know what I am on about. ;)

[grannyfranny100]

Probably lots of helpful ideas but I had one back surgery and am scheduled for two knees replacements- all in one year. My advice, do the Boston Marathon and other jarring, hard surface things so your cartilage is used up faster than mine is. Right.

I am 69 years old and recommend mild walking and communing with nature. Otherwise you will be doing the dice and slice routine sooner than I am. And for God sake, see a top rated arthritis doctor so you can learn their ideas and stats. There is no reason why you can not combine a variety of approaches.

[conk]

Dear God, don't take calcium supplements or drink milk. These are both the worst thing you can do! Calcification of joints and organs is a major cause of illness and death. Just think about all the advertising in the media about taking calcium. If 'they' want you to take it, do you really think you should? They will never, ever advertise the items you really need for good health.

Check this out from my retired helicopter pilot buddy.
http://thenearwest.blogspot.com/2012/04/calcium-woes-by-alan-graham.html

Also from the same source. Hopefully not a repeat of the link above:
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Here are some things to do :
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1).. Take 5,000iu of Vitamin D-3 for a month then go get tested to see if you need more. BUT DON'T take more w/o being tested. Take this test, 25(OH)D ---- DO NOT take this test 1,25(OH)(2)D. Walmart has cheap 5,000iu Oil-Filled D-3 by "Spring-Valley". Take one daily with a fat containing meal.
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2).. Take several 200 to 400mg doses of Magnesium-Citrate. I can't tell you a total to take because that would mean NOTHING...it depends on your "Bowel-Tolerance" and how much you absorb & then utilize. I put about 1000 to 1500mg of Mag-Citrate powder in a gallon of ice Tulsi tea that I drink all day...this relatively constant "Trickle-charge" of Mag all day means I can usually avoid the big D. If you have leg cramping or (my favorite), diaphragm cramping - then you are not getting enough magnesium in your blood. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-pure-magnesium-citrate-powder-8-oz-227-grams-pwdr <blockedhttp://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-pure-magnesium-citrate-powder-8-oz-227-grams-pwdr>
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3).. Take Vitamin K-2. Here is a good one. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-high-potency-natural-vitamin-k-2-menaquinone-7-from-natto-100-mcg-30-sgels <blockedhttp://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-high-potency-natural-vitamin-k-2-menaquinone-7-from-natto-100-mcg-30-sgels>
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4).. Take this dirt-cheap Bamboo Extract. This is for Silica. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-superior-herbs-bamboo-extract-300-mg-60-veg-caps <blockedhttp://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-superior-herbs-bamboo-extract-300-mg-60-veg-caps>
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5).. Take 75+ Plant-Derived Colloidal Trace Minerals. This TRC brand comes in liquid or caps http://www.vitacost.com/all-one-nutritech-trc-minerals-120-vegetarian-capsules <blockedhttp://www.vitacost.com/all-one-nutritech-trc-minerals-120-vegetarian-capsules> please use "Plant-Derived" Trace min's...not the sea-water kind. You use numerous trace minerals as co-factors for EVERYTHING, no matter how small. Many of the most critical trace minerals, like the cancer-stopping Selenium have been leached from our soil in many places...sometimes even whole countries.
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6).. Take MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) - A natural form of Sulfur. This being a powerful "Methyl-Donor" might make it the #1 Healing nutrient. The best way is the pure powder form but it doesn't taste very good so I use the capsules...as long as it is one w/o Magnesium-Stearates or Di-Calcium Phosphate.
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/carlson-msm-sulfur-1000-mg-180-caps <blockedhttp://www.swansonvitamins.com/carlson-msm-sulfur-1000-mg-180-caps>
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7).. Eat raw Egg-Yolks & Whey Protein everyday...the two most digestible, non-denatured forms of a complete Protein.
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I predict if you women start doing those things above and just stop taking calcium supplements you will see an improvement in your bone strength. Read the mercola article to see how tests, numbers, bone strength & the truth are manipulated to get you on the most evil, biggest lie, piece o' crap drugs out there...Boniva, Fosamax, etc. Thank you Sally Fields. Do a web search for "Possey-Jaw" pictures to see what these drugs are capable of.
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Read my paper... Osteoporosis or, "Sally Field! ...Say It Ain't So!"
http://www.alienview.net/ALLT1.html#Sally <blockedhttp://www.alienview.net/ALLT1.html#Sally> from end of Sally paper below. I sent this paper to every publicist, studio or anybody associated with Sally fields...you can't just email or write her

[Corncrake]

I was diagnosed as osteopenic about 9 years ago and my latest bone density scan - a year ago - showed that things are not getting better. I was taking calcium supplements and have now stopped. I agree with much that has been posted here - particularly about not drinking milk and taking calcium supplements which have been associated with heart attacks (I did read this in the tabloid press so don't know how seriously to take it). FWIW I have over the past year started Vit D3 and Vit K and mineral supplements and walk usually somewhere in the region of 3 - 4 hours a day. I am not a meat eater and eat lots of green vegetables. I believe this is quite a rare condition to find in young men and is usually associated with post menopausal women and the loss of oestrogen at a certain age. I did once read (possibly Dr Mercola) that crushed egg shells are a good bone supplement which may be worth looking into. Anyway, a lot of material has been posted here to be going on with! Good luck.

[william6565william]

I was diagnosed as osteopenic about 9 years ago and my latest bone density scan - a year ago - showed that things are not getting better. I was taking calcium supplements and have now stopped. I agree with much that has been posted here - particularly about not drinking milk and taking calcium supplements which have been associated with heart attacks (I did read this in the tabloid press so don't know how seriously to take it). FWIW I have over the past year started Vit D3 and Vit K and mineral supplements and walk usually somewhere in the region of 3 - 4 hours a day. I am not a meat eater and eat lots of green vegetables. I believe this is quite a rare condition to find in young men and is usually associated with post menopausal women and the loss of oestrogen at a certain age. I did once read (possibly Dr Mercola) that crushed egg shells are a good bone supplement which may be worth looking into. Anyway, a lot of material has been posted here to be going on with! Good luck.

Crushed Egg Shells? I find it unusual that those are actually consumable. How does one eat those shells? I do remember that chicken bones can be eaten if cooked the right way (what I can only remember is that KFC cooks their chicken in a pressure cooker, which contributes to the softening of the bones). I also remember sardine cans and the like have bones that can be digested and such.

I also see mentions of a balanced Ph, which means my friend may have to take Alkaline Water, which I believe asked about it in a post somewhere. Considering how costly it is to produce Alkaline water on your own, would taking water with raw lemon help? I think I hear that's the closest alternative to drinking alkaline water, if not taking one with a specific brand of Sodium BiCarbonate.