Dolores Cannon:

[jack]

After much soul searching and investigation and more specifically after taking Dolores Cannons thousand dollar course and then doing intensive investigation into satanism and luciferianism I can only say that Dolores Cannons work is demonically inspired, for the following reasons;

* She completely denies the existence of the demonic. I've just finished researching thousands of demonic haunting's as well as having personally experienced first hand demonic forces on numerous occasions. Saying they don't exist is ridiculous, a total lie and frankly of the devil as they say.

* During her regressive hypnosis training course she teaches us to visualize a pyramid of white light around our subject. After much investigation into satanism it became obvious what the quintessential symbol for the demonic is; pyramids. "They" who she contacts, using her regressive hypnosis techniques, told her to do this.

* Dolores says "There is no good there is no evil just energy and how you use it". I'll again bring up the thousands of demonic hauntings ive researched and also my investigation into satanism to confirm that yes indeed true evil exists. Just google "Satanic ritualistic abuse survivor" and you will see that true evil really does exist and its far worse than our worst nightmare.

The only thing that once and for all freed my life from demonic oppression was the mighty name of Jesus. Even though I was not a true believer he lifted the dark cloud from my life and transformed it anew. Reading all Dolores fascinating books only made my life worse and worse and she never thought me to talk with God and ask God for help in my life.

I believe Dolores had good intentions but was deceived by the masters of deception.

Jesus is the way the truth and the life and I can say that with complete confidence in this demonically controlled world. It was only after I asked Jesus into my heart and my life was miraculously transformed that I picked up a bible and read it. Its all true.

God bless us all.

[rhythm]

Realy jack who knows what to belive enymore :confused:
just belive in me now ( and i dont mean in a self serving way either ...
love n kindness ... be the best you know how to be ;)

[jack]

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[Wood]

In case you have not checked this thread I think you might want to: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5756-Confusion

I agree that reptilians play a big role in our reality, references are everywhere, and I believe that they are planning an 'ascension' for us that suits their enslavement agenda. I think everything is NOT going to be ok by default, unless we do it ourselves, and I am wary of people marketing 100% positive messages.
What I know about Dolores Cannon comes from a few videos posted in the forum but think about it: she puts people in deep trance and then she finds other beings there, working... Keep in mind the kind of people willing to be put in trance are people feeling something wrong and looking for healing...
"Truth never damages a cause that is just". If they keep it secret, it is not good for us. Period.

[truthseekerdan]

Hey Jack,

Dolores Cannon knows about the 'negative force' (reptilians, etc.) if you heard most of her interviews -- however, she 'chooses' for her material to be with a positive outlook.
As you might know, if you focus on 'negativity' there are chances you'll become more negative. You can't 'fight' negativity with more negativity (fear, etc.), surely you'll fail if you do that...

As long as you stay, and be positive (love, compassion, etc.) you'll move away from negativity and in the process raise your vibration to the point that negativity will not affect you anymore.
After all everything is an illusion, with the intent for 'our souls' to learn and grow spiritually. Negativity plays a role only in this density (3D) where everything has a 'dualistic nature'...
Please stay positive, that way you'll be helping yourself and the collective consciousness to graduate from this 'low level (fallen consciousness)' of this reality we're experiencing now.

Love is the answer, ~ Dan ~ :love:

riQdyr1hkuI

[pilotsimone]

My question would be why you feel the need to believe/disbelieve anyone? If it doesn't ring true to you, then leave it. To try and 'debunk' her seems silly.



Are we to believe her that "everything is going to be alright" and as we eventually move into the next dimension (via death or otherwise) be unsuspecting victoms to some kind of "harvest" of our ignorant souls?

I have no doubt that you will create exactly what you put your attention on.

[jack]

Dolores Cannon denies the existence of the demonic, says there is no good or evil only energy and what we do with it, she teaches to put a *pyramid* of white light around our subject when putting them in trance (who likes pyramids?) therefore I can only conclude that she has been deceived by the now incredibly apparent demonic forces in this world.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. If ever you are being attacked by a demon, order it away in Jesus name and you will finally know the truth.

God bless us all.

[Wood]

My question would be why you feel the need to believe/disbelieve anyone? If it doesn't ring true to you, then leave it. To try and 'debunk' her seems silly.

Why do people have the need to help other people?
Misquoting "1984", war is not peace, freedom is not slavery, ignorance is not strength.

[NeoEmc2]

Love is the answer, ~ Dan ~ :love:

If you're a fan of him, Todd Rundgren said it best :)


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[truthseekerdan]

(For the record, Dolores does not believe in reptilians...

I believe that you are 'thinking' too much Jack...:ohwell:
Why not contact Dolores and ask if she believes or not, if you want the 'truth'?
Perhaps the following video will be more helpful for you to understand. :)

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[jack]

Dolores Cannon denies the existence of the demonic, says there is no good or evil only energy and what we do with it, she teaches to put a *pyramid* of white light around our subject when putting them in trance (who likes pyramids?) therefore I can only conclude that she has been deceived by the now incredibly apparent demonic forces in this world.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. If ever you are being attacked by a demon, order it away in Jesus name and you will finally know the truth.

God bless us all.

[truthseekerdan]

If you're a fan of him, Todd Rundgren said it best :)


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Nice one Neo! :thumb:

However, I was thinking about this one. :lol:

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[Wood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H73qxeXWUs
Truth, not fear or secrecy.

[Operator]

Is Dolores Cannon Being Manipulated?

Easy question ... easy answer: yes of course

Every public figure will be played upon as soon as they have built up credibility ...

[cloud9]

Thanks for that Dan, Your telling me what Ive told so many others (the irony)

But your right in what your saying. My main concern here, is the truth. I guess you could say im looking at everything now without casting judgement, without marking anything as being either positive or negative. Which led me to reptilians, which then led me to start thinking about Dolores, and then thinking about Alex Collier (and his stouch view that in this universe reptilians wage many wars etc) and why such a major role was not mentioned in her work. I totally agree that we get more of what we focus on, we really do have the ability to create our realities, and we are coming to a point where it is either ascend onto the next level or.. Its not her philosophy that bothers me, its the fact that whoever was talking through her clients left out a huge portion of our reality as if it didnt exist, and I guess you could say it might be for two reasons ; 1. They want us to just focus on the positive in order to bring about a positive change (but why would they leave that air of suspicion that is going to be hanging around when people realise they leave out such important information which could be mentioned, but emphasised that focusing on such things was not important) 2. Whatever is communicating through her clients is only giving the nice stuff and leaving out the rest in order to manipulate people into a false sense of reality.. for what reason, i dont know.. but id sure as hell like to.

(For the record, Dolores does not believe in reptilians, and she is completely oblivious to whats really happening in the world, and just puts it down to "mild corruption" and the rest of the stories being mere conspiratorial fantasy, which is clearly not the case) Ive followed most of her work, and her view on reality is that people are being paranoid as to the true nature, which means she is being mislead. If whomever is speaking through her clients told the whole story and then said "just be sure to focus on the positive" , that would be the right thing to do in my mind. Why leave room for such suspician? It just doesnt make any sense and its got my head in a spin.

Dear jack,
I got a question for you: Have you ever talked to her? Personally?

I have. I do understand your concerns as we all have them, but there's something I'd like to make clear: She does believe in reptilians, as a matter of fact she have encounter them in her work and even in one of her books she relates how one of her clients (female) was able to relate another "life" her soul was living at the same time (this time) as a reptilian in other planet, also she learned about some special "things" this lady had in her present body due to her mission at this time.

Also, she is not oblivious to what's going on by any means but she is very aware of the implications of focusing or giving energy to the negative nor she believes in "mere conspiratorial fantasy".

I totally disagree with your view of "just be sure to focus on the positive". If you know human nature you know it's virtually impossible to do so, as an example: if you lost your job for how long would you be able to focus on the positive side of things without going back to worry about not having an income?

Would you say that you can stay at least 90% of the time being "positive" you'll find a job very soon? I'm out of work at this moment and even though I know everything is going to be all right, I'm struggling to stay positive 100% of the time, the same applies to people I'm related to who are in the same situation, they just can't.

Why do you think telling somebody they have cancer immediately arise the chances of them dying very soon? Because they can not stop thinking about it, even under "reliable" treatments, just a very few have the strength to stay really positive.

She really knows that giving any energy of though to those issues makes them bigger.

So in order for her to be more credible, she has to talk and spread a message such as: we are doomed, the reptilians are here and they have total control over us and our souls but please, think positively that everything is going to be all right! How good is that? How effective?

Our biggest responsability right now is: BE AWARE, VERY AWARE ABOUT WHAT REALITY WE ARE CREATING FOR OURSELVES.

How are we going to create a good outcome while thinking about all the bad stuff?

With everything you know about reality, do you think it makes good sense?

So far, nobody knows the truth and all subjects we discuss here are "theories" until proven other wise.

I used to worry a lot until a year ago, then I decided that it was really a waste of my time an energy to focus on the bad stuff and I'm making my motto just to focus on what I want.

It's easier to get caught up in the "scary" stuff than just let it be and be an observer.

[shadowstalker]

I would love to speak to Dolores Cannon;)

[lightblue]

cloud9:

Our biggest responsability right now is: BE AWARE, VERY AWARE ABOUT WHAT REALITY WE ARE CREATING FOR OURSELVES.

How are we going to create a good outcome while thinking about all the bad stuff?

it would be interesting to know what have people of iraq, afganistans etc focused on before death and distruction engufled them....

i don't feel i need to apologize for this irony ..cannon's teaching and practice have many many flaws...in fact. i would like to know who she may be working for..she claims there are no bad ets out there, no factions and that all is but one supreme inhtelligence...yes, i would like to be given an oportunity to guiz her on that..amongst other issues... i experience her as a dangerous lady to be kept well clear of... :secret: l


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[Carmody]

I was going to mention that in at least one interview that I viewed, that the subject started to drift into the inevitable reptilian direction and Dolores deliberately moved the conversation away from it. In Bill Ryan's interview with freedom central (IIRC) in that 2.5 hour interview, the conversation drifted into the reptilian situation. Bill deliberately steered the conversation away from it. There are sound reasons for this.

Fear locks you into your body and maintains the sense of scientific separation creating objectivity (US vs them--a ego mind trick!!!) that keeps you in your body and keeps you trapped in the situation of the spirit being trapped by the body overriding it's communications with the astral realms and other dimensions and stops it from allowing the communications from the higher self...to enter the everyday thoughts and actions of the given physically incarnated individual. The body fools the self through the mechanism of ego.

Fear is part of the need to identify in perfect terms of black and white - truth vs false. Fear is a component of the mechanics of the physical body. it is deeply tied to the reptilian mind core or cortex function.

Part and parcel of why organized religion kills, ostracizes, disallows, and curses those who be left handed, as those people can be, generally speaking, more connected to the higher self. (or the ambidextrous as well). Organized religion, of course, being a controlled system of oppression - A red herring and dead end circular argument for those who attempt to search for truths.

Love is part of the artistic or right brain function where all blends into one. The trick is to balance on the Teflon like tip of that mountain of polarities....without sliding too far down one side or the other....then drive that ship to safe harbour.

I stole one of Fred's posts from another thread, to illustrate a part of the issue at hand. As above, so below. Our internal individual behavior can and does emerge on and in the global scale. Here is his post:


Re: Extremist websites skyrocketing, says Interpol

Plain fact is the root of this kind of thinking is two-fold.

Power cannot be expanded or used unless there is a viable object to fear.
And this always wears the cloak of protection.
To speak against fear, or denying the need for, or give lie to protection makes you "dangerous".

In the end, power will not prioritize based upon actual danger, only danger to itself.

Bringing that under control, there lies the true path to freedom.
Fred



Very much in kind as an expression on a group scale of the internal issue of internal individual ego function and how it attempts to rule the body, as it is the vocal thought formation point of the body -that the intellect must form words in the mind----through.

So the body colors and shapes each sub-vocalized and thus internally voiced and vocalized thought. The body wants to remain in control of not just autonomous function but that of the function of the intellect, so it creates and shapes false 'red herrings' to the point that all you do and think and consider is shaped by this creator of the internal voice. It 'feels' it needs a perfect black and white reality as this is exactly how it operates and keeps itself 'safe'. Thus it uses fear to shape the thoughts and expressions, and the need for absolutes. Point is, through the internal formulation and creation of the shaping and expression of the internal voice, the body can maintain control over the body and thus feel safe, by sublimating the higher self which is expressed through intellect, meditation, love, oneness, connectivity...etc... but not necessarily that of objectivity and black and white.

These thoughts of universal oneness, openness, universal love, dimensional immortality, etc....bring an intense fear to the body, or the internal voice and thought formation. The body's voice can and does eventually die, but this is not the occupant. it is merely the vehicle through which the occupant works.

So give your body a hug -the poor thing is afraid. Very afraid. And this pattern of fear is brought to the forefront and can and does, at times, overcome sensible rumination and thinking on the universe in all it's glory.....as the body does figure out that you will be leaving it some time.

[Wood]

Fear is part of the need to identify in perfect terms of black and white - truth vs false. Fear is a component of the mechanics of the physical body. it is deeply tied to the reptilian mind core or cortex function.

Love is part of the artistic or right brain function where all blends into one. The trick is to balance on the Teflon like tip of that mountain of polarities....without sliding too far down one side or the other....then drive that ship to safe harbour.

I think fear must be confronted at some point or another, and information is a good tool for that. The worse fear is the fear of the unknown because it implies we can't prepare in advance.
I guess ship captains could rely on blind love to avoid the rocks in their path to harbour, but they'd rather have a good nautical chart and a GPS.

[pilotsimone]

Deleted my response...I've decided to un-involve myself here.

My sincerest best to you all.

[pilotsimone]

Why do people have the need to help other people?
Misquoting "1984", war is not peace, freedom is not slavery, ignorance is not strength.

I'm sorry, Wood. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The reference to 1984 is going over my head. Haven't read it.

[Carmody]

I think fear must be confronted at some point or another, and information is a good tool for that. The worse fear is the fear of the unknown because it implies we can't prepare in advance.
I guess ship captains could rely on blind love to avoid the rocks in their path to harbour, but they'd rather have a good nautical chart and a GPS.

recall, or know, for the first time..that a perfectly lived life of a Tibetan Buddhist monk is entirely about preparing the higher self for the time of leaving the physical body.

To add, the fear mechanism, with regard to stopping the higher self from exploring through the vehicle of the body, or the body listening in on and getting involved in the higher self's explorations that involve the body....the fear of the body is as strong and is actually notably stronger than as if you held your arm in a pot of boiling water.

[Wood]

I'm sorry, Wood. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The reference to 1984 is going over my head. Haven't read it.
My point is that sometimes is not about our own beliefs or our own discernment but it is about helping others to wisely choose their path by raising issues like this.
I think at least we agree fear should be left out of the way.

[cloud9]

cloud9:

it would be interesting to know what have people of iraq, afganistans etc focused on before death and distruction engufled them....

i don't feel i need to apologize for this irony ..cannon's teaching and practice have many many flaws...in fact. i would like to know who she may be working for..she claims there are no bad ets out there, no factions and that all is but one supreme inhtelligence...yes, i would like to be given an oportunity to guiz her on that..amongst other issues... i experience her as a dangerous lady to be kept well clear of... :secret: l


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Dear lightblue:

I understand your position trust me. All of us here and in fact just everybody else, we are learning, remembering, awakening...
your choice is to believe what you believe, as many others you already made your mind and it's being set so it seems you wouldn't change your views no matter what!

I'll tell you a short story:

My husband is 15 years older than me, he doesn't believe or even think of any of the subjects I do, every single time I mention ETs or whatever he just looks up with unpatience, he just believes everything The New York Times or CNN say and for him the economy is so bad we are really doomed, China is going to beat us pretty bad in the next year and so on.

One of my friends is doing business buying foreclosured and vandalized houses, he fixes them and sell them and he's making a lot of money in doing so despite all what people say about the economy, business is so good he buys 2 or 3 houses at the same time and make a very nice profit.

I've been telling my husband we could invest on one of those houses and see how it goes but he says he's going to lose his money so he won't touch it.

How come one person can be getting rich in this "bad economy" and the other one doesn't even dare to try it? FEAR.

My husband is letting the opportunity go away just because he's convinced he's going to lose, the other guy knows that he'll make the money because he knows life goes on, people are buying cheaper houses, people need to eat and buy stuff as always, perhaps a little less than before but as so many are afraid he has the advantage of no fear.

My husband is so stubborn and fixed in his beliefs that even seen the other guy doing so well he doesn't believe it and won't try it, for him he'll loose anyway.

While the other guy is creating a wealthy life my husband is thinking there's no way to do it.

So, which one do you want to be?

If reptilians and bad ETs have been here for thousands of years manipulating everything, life went on and goes on despite them, this reality is the only one we have known so far and we are still here.

About people in Iraq, Afganistan and so many other places in the world, you forget that even though this is "reality" for us, we do make choices before coming to life, we chose our environment and experiences based on what we needed to know or learn.

Every time I see a comment like that I realize that people think we (our minds and bodies) in the present time are the only part we are, they forget that most of what we are, doesn't exist in this dimension, they forget that many decisions are made at soul level, they forget there is a soul or spirit who knows better than we do.

Even "awake" people make this mistake as if our bodies are all there is.

I really don't know if Dolores is dangerous or not but I'd rather be in the nice side of things instead of being tormented by the opposite side. What good do you attract when you see life that way?


Why so much fear now?

[cloud9]

I just wanted to say once again:
Dolores has never said there are not bad ETs, she definitely knows about them but she haven't found them in her work. Talk about creating reality and attracting what we want!

[truthseekerdan]

Why do people have the need to help other people?
Misquoting "1984", war is not peace, freedom is not slavery, ignorance is not strength.

Let me ask you this Q. Wood: Did Jesus have to come among us to 'help or save us'?
My answer is most likely not. Why did he chose to help/save us? One way to say it is that he was not at 'our level' of consciousness.
Like other sages before him, Jesus chose out of Love which is our spiritual essence, to be embodied here to show us 'The Way (http://www.thenazareneway.com/The%20Way%20The%20Truth%20The%20Life.htm)'.
The same thing happens today, we did not destroy ourselves just yet, but we're on that road, and need 'others' help to teach 'us'
the real meaning of Unconditional Love and how to live in harmony with Nature and each-other. I guess that's a tough lesson to learn...

Namaste, ~ Dan

[RedeZra]

truth is a virtue worthy to be sought for it's own sake like love


we are deep in deception here

by so many players on so many levels for such a long time that we might end up running to n fro the deceivers


when you get that those that speak the truth end up dead then you're on to something

[cloud9]

So we should believe just in those who are dead?

[Wood]

Let me ask you this Q. Wood: Did Jesus have to come among us to 'help or save us'?
Definitely not to 'save us' since that can't be done for others, but [perhaps] to help us.


My answer is most likely not. Why did he chose to help/save us? One way to say it is that he was not at 'our level' of consciousness.
Like other sages before him, Jesus chose out of Love which is our spiritual essence, to be embodied here to show us 'The Way (http://www.thenazareneway.com/The%20Way%20The%20Truth%20The%20Life.htm)'.
The same thing happens today, we did not destroy ourselves just yet, but we're on that road, and need 'others' help to teach 'us'
the real meaning of Unconditional Love and how to live in harmony with Nature and each-other. I guess that's a tough lesson to learn...

"To show the way" is, IMHO, to help (or to deceive). I am trying to show that we'd rather be wary of the wayshowers, particularly since we agree there are evil ETs around.
We are still alive though, so we must be rather tough for them. My opinion is that they keep us enslaved by showing us the way and that we'd rather start reaching for the truth ourselves.

[RedeZra]

So we should believe just in those who are dead?

yes the truth will set you free

no what I'm saying is compare what whistleblowers are saying n ask yourselves why some of them ended up dead so soon while others just keep on blowing

[cloud9]

What about some of them are being protected?
I'm pretty sure this comment can be taken both ways, protected by the light or the dark but it's something to consider. Also some whistleblowers like to make waves and others go quietly and nicely.
Dolores is not acussing the government nor she defies TPTB, she's just telling what she has found through her work.

[onawah]

I would love to speak to Dolores Cannon;)

Dolores lives in Huntsville, Arkansas, though she travels a lot. When she is home, she gives one on one sessions and is teaching others how to use the techniques she has developed. She is frequently a speaker at various UFO conferences, including the annual one in Eureka Springs AR, near where she lives. She's quite approachable, in my experience.

Dr. Steven Greer is another who says he has had no contact with negative ETs. For whatever reason....

There is a whole different perspective on this issue in the thread:
Revelations of an Elite Family Insider
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?766-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider

which is kind of scary in a different way, but it helped me to get outside the box I was thinking in, and I found that to be very useful. I don't necessarily believe everything Insider said, or Astral Walker either
( http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5648-Recent-work-from-Astral-Walker-regarding-2012 )
whose information I also studied, but it was useful for me to exercise my discernment by examining both possibilities.

Learning discernment is a good thing, and it takes practice. It may take you into the core of your fears, where it becomes so uncomfortable it makes you think a lot about how to get out again, and re-examine the BS (belief system) that made you afraid in the first place.
One belief system can be traded for another pretty easily, if you are motivated enough. You can always find corroboration for any BS you adopt.
It doesn't mean that you give up on finding the truth. It may just mean that you try on different perspectives for size for awhile and see how well they fit.
If your BS will not allow you to do that, you might want to question the value of that BS and whether it is really serving you...(You do have a choice!)
By so doing, you begin to see how you create your own reality. Or how you tune into different frequencies, if you prefer... There is no denying that what we think and believe causes us to tune into the whole "reality sandwich" in various ways accordingly, and how and what we tune into definitely shapes the reality we create for ourselves.

The truth will become evident eventually. In the meantime, it helps a lot to give yourself some space, and hone your ability to perceive truth. Truth could be right in front of you, but if you are too caught up in BS, you won't be able to detect it.

Personally, I think there have been reptilians and other negative ETs here, but they are mostly gone now. They have left us with a negative legacy, but the Light that is incoming to Earth is too powerful, and their agendas will not stand up to it for much longer.
I think we are ready for a change, and the first thing we have to do is allow it to happen. Whatever blocks us from allowing and assisting with that, is something best left behind...

[lightblue]

cloud9


About people in Iraq, Afganistan and so many other places in the world, you forget that even though this is "reality" for us, we do make choices before coming to life, we chose our environment and experiences based on what we needed to know or learn.

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Even "awake" people make this mistake as if our bodies are all there is.




according to that - there's no unjustifiable violence, no torture and/or suffering is too many..there are no universal laws that (should) unify us all - in other words:everything goes.."do not take other one's life etc" does not apply..there are just far too many dumb souls being recycled for far too long..


cloud9:
I really don't know if Dolores is dangerous or not but I'd rather be in the nice side of things instead of being tormented by the opposite side. What good do you attract when you see life that way?


not tormented, only spotted a nasty trap... my life is good enough to not need the likes such as cannon to help with anything...thank you very much...

the point of us for being here i think is to help with the process of thinking for our own selves; eliminating lies from good info based on as many experiences as available...like you probably know (previous thread to do with cannon) i was all welcoming of her work based on what i could find until that moment in time....but then, shortly after it, she was visiting town giving a lecture and a series of workshops... i was all in favour, set on actualy enroling...i thank god for my curiosity and for my coming along to the bookshop where she was introducing readership to her new book..anyway, i went along and by a lucky chance got to sit by her and her daughter and ask what i was dying to know about...there were not too many people (this was prior to her lecture i decided to drop there and then) and in a way, this was an ideal situation which i deliberately took advantage of...what i got from her made me reverse my mind completely..in an instant i lost every further interest ..

in my opinion, she is offering an elaborate fairy tale - and that's if i want to be kind to her...my sense is that she is probably working, consciously or unwittingly, for some unsavoury forces...of course it is a case of "take it or leave it"..i leave it...i also think it is fair to assume that people here may want to hear of as many different opinions and experiences.. bw l


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[lunaflare]

CLOUD9 WROTE:
"I have. I do understand your concerns as we all have them, but there's something I'd like to make clear: She does believe in reptilians, as a matter of fact she have encounter them in her work and even in one of her books she relates how one of her clients (female) was able to relate another "life" her soul was living at the same time (this time) as a reptilian in other planet, also she learned about some special "things" this lady had in her present body due to her mission at this time'.

Right on Cloud9, this case is chronicled in detail in BOOK TWO of the Convoluted Universe Series-pg 281 to be exact...and the session was actually done as a demonstration in front of many other students- all crowded into one room.
Dolores actually addresses duality. the "negative" and "positive" energy that reptilian race carry. much like humans. and we humans have the r-brain after-all.
How do we control this part of ourselves. this is key. I like how David Icke addresses this aspect. We are in control as we choose our reactions. We can choose not to be in Fear at this time.
And this is, as far as I can understand, where our power lies.

I would venture to say that a large percentage of us humanoids are reptilian. we are simply housed in a human body. and not all are "bad".
in earth plane reality we perceive through the lens of duality. good/bad/ light/dark. we are and have been and will be many expressions of the whole.

the question is rather simple as many posters have alluded to...what is our focus now?

[Dale]

Hello all,

I'm a little short on time, and am unable to read the entire thread, but based on the title "Is Dolores Cannon Being Manipulated?," I do have this to offer:

Probably no more, and no less, than the rest of us.

Yes, she does believe that there are "malevolent" ET's; but she chooses not to discuss this topic publicly. I recently had a regression done by one of Dolores' students, and we had a similar conversation.

Dolores may take to new ideas a little too fast, but overall, I do enjoy her perspective on matters.

[jack]

Dolores Cannon denies the existence of the demonic, says there is no good or evil only energy and what we do with it, she teaches to put a *pyramid* of white light around our subject when putting them in trance (who likes pyramids?) therefore I can only conclude that she has been deceived by the now incredibly apparent demonic forces in this world.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. If ever you are being attacked by a demon, order it away in Jesus name and you will finally know the truth.

God bless us all.

[shiva777]

yes,she is clearly being deceived to feed the new-agey escapist crowd...she doesn't see the bigger picture or understand the true nature of the agendas playing out now...she has some good info but it is often superficial and manipulated...we need to be just as aware of the dark agendas as we do the light agendas...ignoring one or just brushing over one side is the trademark of the manipulated "teachers" and speakers/channelers

[truthseekerdan]

Definitely not to 'save us' since that can't be done for others, but [perhaps] to help us.



"To show the way" is, IMHO, to help (or to deceive). I am trying to show that we'd rather be wary of the wayshowers, particularly since we agree there are evil ETs around.
We are still alive though, so we must be rather tough for them. My opinion is that they keep us enslaved by showing us the way and that we'd rather start reaching for the truth ourselves.

I believe that you are 'partially right' in your statement. We've been so 'blinded by science' in such a way that it's hard to see the 'simple truths' (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2013&version=NIV) anymore.
Like a wise man (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?294-A-Spiritual-Diary&p=1163&viewfull=1#post1163) once said: "We must be the change, we wish to see in the world". We only 'know in part' at this time in this 3D reality, but at least what we know each of us should practice in order to come together in a positive way in regards to the future of humanity.
JMHO :love: ~ Dan

P.S. Good to hear that you're feeling better Jack. Blessings to you and yours. :)

[lightblue]

jack:
Its very important that we focus on the positive right now if we want to be somewhere positive in the future, especially with the quickening of manifestation that is happening.


right on -
do not need cannon's fairy tales to feel fairy... l


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[jack]

Dolores Cannon denies the existence of the demonic, says there is no good or evil only energy and what we do with it, she teaches to put a *pyramid* of white light around our subject when putting them in trance (who likes pyramids?) therefore I can only conclude that she has been deceived by the now incredibly apparent demonic forces in this world.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. If ever you are being attacked by a demon, order it away in Jesus name and you will finally know the truth.

God bless us all.

[cloud9]

Oh lunaflare,
I definitely agree with you 100%, we have the choice! I don't believe in anything 100%, definitely leave it in the back burner for a while because I don't need to make a decision about believing or not right away!
I truly believe we are the cause of our reality but this belief goes beyond law of attraction because is not just attracting positive, is creating positive!

[cloud9]

jack,
I'm with you. Dolores definitely knows more than she is willing to tell but knowing how important it is at this time to keep our minds clear and with no fear, focusing in positive things she has chosen to speak just the positive which is very important for all new people coming to this movement.

[cloud9]

cloud9



according to that - there's no unjustifiable violence, no torture and/or suffering is too many..there are no universal laws that (should) unify us all - in other words:everything goes.."do not take other one's life etc" does not apply..there are just far too many dumb souls being recycled for far too long..


cloud9:


not tormented, only spotted a nasty trap... my life is good enough to not need the likes such as cannon to help with anything...thank you very much...

the point of us for being here i think is to help with the process of thinking for our own selves; eliminating lies from good info based on as many experiences as available...like you probably know (previous thread to do with cannon) i was all welcoming of her work based on what i could find until that moment in time....but then, shortly after it, she was visiting town giving a lecture and a series of workshops... i was all in favour, set on actualy enroling...i thank god for my curiosity and for my coming along to the bookshop where she was introducing readership to her new book..anyway, i went along and by a lucky chance got to sit by her and her daughter and ask what i was dying to know about...there were not too many people (this was prior to her lecture i decided to drop there and then) and in a way, this was an ideal situation which i deliberately took advantage of...what i got from her made me reverse my mind completely..in an instant i lost every further interest ..

in my opinion, she is offering an elaborate fairy tale - and that's if i want to be kind to her...my sense is that she is probably working, consciously or unwittingly, for some unsavoury forces...of course it is a case of "take it or leave it"..i leave it...i also think it is fair to assume that people here may want to hear of as many different opinions and experiences.. bw l


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Dear lightblue and shiva777,
I respect your opinion and if that's your truth, that's o.k., I don't have a problem with that, I'm not imposing my views onto anybody.
So far nobody can claim the total truth, if believing what you believe makes you sleep well, go ahead... it's your choice. In the bigger picture any choice is valid!

[Sarahmay]

jack,
I'm with you. Dolores definitely knows more than she is willing to tell but knowing how important it is at this time to keep our minds clear and with no fear, focusing in positive things she has chosen to speak just the positive which is very important for all new people coming to this movement.

Cloud9, I know Dolores personally too, and she knows much more than she speaks of publicly. Because she does not want to spread fear AND she does feel that ultimately a positive outcome will prevail. Also, she has information that she does not have permission to release yet. I tried over dinner, but she wouldn't spill...

[cloud9]

Sarahmay,
I can't help but smile.... I tried to make her talk too just as everybody else to no avail, even in very relaxed situations. She knows how important it is to keep her mouth shot because once the tale leaves her mouth it's going to spread pretty fast, what that tells me is: This is somebody very aware of the consequences of such actions, if she were lead by ego, she would tell to make herself important and all knowing but she knows better...

[Wood]

Cloud9, I know Dolores personally too, and she knows much more than she speaks of publicly. Because she does not want to spread fear AND she does feel that ultimately a positive outcome will prevail. Also, she has information that she does not have permission to release yet. I tried over dinner, but she wouldn't spill...

Always the same story: they talk about self-empowerment, taking responsibility, etc, but then, when the interesting questions are asked the answer is silence, or, at best, "you can't handle the truth". Good answer for kids.

Common sense, however, tells me that when truth is kept hidden there is a control agenda. "Truth never damages a cause that is just".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOYGbM3nK9k#t=2m40s

[RedeZra]

Dolores is not acussing the government nor she defies TPTB, she's just telling what she has found through her work.


ya I could pick her apart but I don't have the time

what if Dolores 'loose' Cannon is just an old Jewish lady out to dumb divert divide n destroy


Dolores Cannon in 'Conversations with Nostradamus' (1989) says that 'the current pope [John Paul II] will be assassinated when he goes on a trip away from the Vatican.'

before Dolores wrote this book John Paul II was almost assassinated on 13 May 1981 but she alludes to a 2nd successful assasination of the former Pope

almost

cause in January 1995 Operation Bojinka was set in motion as an Al-Qaeda-funded attempt to blow up about twelve airliners n kill the Pope on his visit in Manila

this was thwarted n John Paul II lived to see another decade til he finally passed on peacefully in his private apartment at the age of 85


besides Dolores mentions the Cabal n connects them with the Banksters but writes that the Cabal is at war with the Antichrist ? gimme a break

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my people fell so in love with the lines n lies they were fed that they began to defend the Hidden hand n bark at the master

[cloud9]

Yeap... many many other prophecies have failed too, to which we should be grateful for.

[ollie6986]

Jack...I have read two of her books and think you are right on the money by saying she has an extremely calming effect on her readers, she comes across as very paternal. I actually attended a talk she gave in London last month which was really informative and uplifting. I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if anyone has said this already, but I know that her philosophy is simply not to focus on the negative. Acknowledging the negative is a reality is sufficient, further focus and attention is not. As someone who has read her books, you are well aware that she often will pose a scenario that might appear frightening or invoke fear at first mention, but after further explanation and discussion any associated fear tends to fade away through enlightened understanding (at least in my experience). Another very important point is that she states that she is only 'allowed' to present information she has been given the 'go ahead' to present. Make of that what you will, but one of these two reasons (or a combination) is most likely why she has never touched on this area.

Also, there are many, many other investigators who do focus on this area which is fine and dandy, but how many of them have a positive message/advice to go with it. I recently saw David Icke speak at a marathon 9 hour lecture. If you are learning about Reptilians, you are familiar with David Icke. He is very blunt and aggressive on this topic, which is one of the reasons why he is such an effective speaker. This area is important yes, but it is not more important than personal development to raise one's vibration. While learning truths about the past/present/future does aid people in further understanding their world and themselves, some information really does act as a poison. It takes hard work, deep personal inflection and real spiritual growth before one is able to move past the fear associated with Reptilians and incorporate information regarding them in a positive way into one's belief system. Various people have stated that David Icke unintentionally acts as a tool of the machine he wants to bring down because he spreads so much fear. I think Delores Cannon is consciously guarding against creating this reality for herself, as well as following instructions.

In my opinion, I do not think she is being manipulated. I think she is a very careful researcher and author who chooses to focus on information that will only aid in personal development and uplift her readers. By not focusing on negativity, she does not spread it. Whereas many other researchers do.

Great thread!

[TraineeHuman]

I consider I know for a fact that what Dolores says about Volunteers isn’t a fairy tale. This is because I discovered (OK, you can call me deluded or crazy, I don’t care) that I came here as a Volunteer. I discovered it some years before ever reading or hearing about Volunteers or Wanderers or whatever. The fact is, I got the information directly from some sixth-dimensional beings, and this was precisely confirmed by two of the most accurate psychics that I have ever met (and yes, accurate psychics are very rare). And it explained far more about why I am the way I am, in so many ways, than anything in my life before. Far more. There are no words to describe how huge and liberating that was for me.

Because of this, I have to consider everything Dolores says seriously. Ultimately, though, I rely on common sense combined with critical analysis, my own direct experiences of all sorts of supposedly "weird" phenomena, and on the results of dowsing, both by myself and by others more expert at it. Because nobody’s “perfect”, or 100% right, not all the time. And “perfection” is in most senses a fairy tale. Even if happiness (well, OK, freedom from unhappiness) isn’t.

The tentative verdict I’m currently left with regarding Dolores is that yes, apparently she is at some level chanelling some misinformation. But that the proportion of false info is less than with just about anybody else who is knowingly or unknowingly including false info. My current hypothesis is that what she says about “ascension” of the human race is the one part of her work that’s fairy tale or misinfo. (Well, apart from her material on Nostradamus.) But there’s also some kind of major truth there in what she says about "ascension", only less spectacular than what she says. My dowsing and common sense also suggest that Astralwalker’s new material is apparently full of false and wild info.

[onawah]

This will probably seem off topic to many, but it hit just the right note for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PVfCwJA14&feature=player_embedded#!
We struggle so much with wanting to know, but as this spiritual teacher points out, the child, who is one big "I don't know" is so much happier and at peace.
Apologies-- I don't know how to embed videos yet.

[onawah]

Traineehuman wrote :"My dowsing and common sense also suggest that Astralwalker’s new material is apparently full of false and wild info."

I found some of Astral Walker's info pretty wild too, but he is at least addressing one subject which is of much interest to many of here: what the Mayan Calendars and crop circles are telling us, and that provides an opportunity to examine the subject more carefully.
I thought his interpretations of the crop circle information were quite cogent, and it tallies to a great extent with what Mayan Elder Don Alejandro has said.

[Snowbird]

However in gods name could whomever it is she is speaking to not mention the reptilians (unless they are allied with the reptilians?) this all knowing inteligent force as she likes to refer to it, seems to know nothing about the biggest and most important aspect of our society.

First of all, let's give DC a break and make assumption that she doesn't talk or write about them openly because she has very good reasons.

There is no possible way that after the tens of thousands of hours of regressive hypnosis that she has conducted, that she has never run into a reptilian being and/or that those in her care have never made mention of them. There are several possibilities that pop into my mind that could have kept her quiet about them all this time.

One, it is possible that these beings have threatened her and/or those in her care.
Two, I really don't blame her for not going deeply into this subject because it is negative and requires an energy that she may not be able to spare.
And three, if you have seen the interview that Kerry Cassidy taped of DC, not long ago, there was one item that DC stated that our government has severely warned her not to talk about. Could that be reptilians? I think so.


After only a few weeks of study into reptilians it is painfully obvious that they are here, and they are manipulating every aspect of our society and have been doing so for thousands of years.

Yes, they are here and have been manipulating. And, so have many other species of beings...in one way or another, to one degree or another. The reptilians seem to be more involved than others. Something is manipulating the human puppets here on earth and has been for a very long time. Do we know for sure, however, that this something is comprised of reptilians only?


Anyone else feeling this vibe.. Theres just something terribly fishy about the whole thing. Astralwalkers material rings very true to me, and its not all positive. But her material, I feel an eerie sense of discomfort reading it even in the face of such overwhelming apparent positivity. Are we to believe her that "everything is going to be alright" and as we eventually move into the next dimension (via death or otherwise) be unsuspecting victoms to some kind of "harvest" of our ignorant souls?

Dolores Cannon's material is but one piece of a very large and complicated puzzle that we are collectively assembling on PA and PC. AstralWalker has yet another piece of this puzzle. These puzzle pieces are scattered all over, but of one thing I am sure, and that is that if each of us is focusing more on the positive side of the spiritual aspect and maintaining a real true desire to ascend with Mother Earth, nothing is going to stop that from happening. As we raise our vibrational frequencies, and come to a point where we have compassion for those who are incapable of compassion, (many reptilians) they will then not give us a second thought because their main concern are those who don't even know that people like Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy and Dolores Cannon exist ...nor do they care. It is the sheeple that these beings are going after. The sheeple will follow and obey.


I know one thing for sure, and one thing that is worth a shot whatever may happen, soon as my soul leaves this body its heading straight for galactic center!

I thought that that was very good advice. :thumb:

[Carmody]

Those who have no belief structure or information on this subject and tend to believe it is bull, I have but one comment for you:

Go and have your own personal hypnotic regression session or two.

That will straighten you out.

[Snowbird]

This will probably seem off topic to many, but it hit just the right note for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PVfCwJA14&feature=player_embedded#!
We struggle so much with wanting to know, but as this spiritual teacher points out, the child, who is one big "I don't know" is so much happier and at peace.
Apologies-- I don't know how to embed videos yet.

Onawah, I will explain the easiest way to post a video.

First, copy the url of the video that you want to post. When you open a Reply frame which I am typing in right now, you'll see a line of icons and characters along the top. Look for the # sign. To the left, you will see a vertical line, a white comment bubble, another vertical line and what is suppose to be two frames of a movie film. Its hard to see it. Click on it and paste your video url into that little box and then press OK. You're done. Give it a second or two and the video will show.

[Beth]

Aren't we all being manipulated? Come on guys!

[lightblue]

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beth:
Aren't we all being manipulated? Come on guys!

please explain - what did you mean by that? thanks l



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[jack]

Dolores Cannon denies the existence of the demonic, says there is no good or evil only energy and what we do with it, she teaches to put a *pyramid* of white light around our subject when putting them in trance (who likes pyramids?) therefore I can only conclude that she has been deceived by the now incredibly apparent demonic forces in this world.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. If ever you are being attacked by a demon, order it away in Jesus name and you will finally know the truth.

God bless us all.

[ZAINA]

Well said Jack ,,

[RedeZra]

see resonance is just a mood

has nothing to do with truth ;)

[lightblue]

redezra:
RedeZra is on a distinguished road



see resonance is just a mood

has nothing to do with truth




thank you ...

truth personalised is one's own sense of it, not the truth which applies to all and is one and indivisible.... :yu: l


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[onawah]

Thanks to Snowbird for the instructions. Here's that video, embedded!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PVfCwJA14&feature=player_embedded#

Jack makes a good point.
As our collective reality expands from 3D, we have many more opportunities to shape our own individual reality within the larger paradigm to one that resonates with our personal essence.
As I understand it, this is one of the advantages to living in a universe that has, as part of its design, free will (which we evidently also have to fight for, however!).
It also makes for more complexity and diversity. This can be challenging, but also very rewarding if we are open to it. Nothing can remain in stagnation in such a reality for long.
Our perceptions of this process are in the birthing process; we are just getting a glimpse of what awaits.

[cloud9]

I wasn't interested in posting in this thread but I found a new interview with Dolores and I listened to it (twice).

I sincerely can't find any of what some people say about Dolores, I gave this interview all my attention to see if I could detect something different from what I've heard from her in the past but I can't find it.

For those who still have doubts, in this video she explains the difference between communicating with the Higher Self or Universal Mind and ETs.

I believe the people who find this woman as a deceiving or manipulated person don't listen very well or they are so set in their ways and beliefs that nothing would make them change their minds.

All I hear from her sounds good and positive to me and I don't find how what she says can be interpreted as others here in the forum are trying to say. Of course, they can say she is so good at deceiving that is impossible to detect the deception but it's hard for me to believe this.

Also please understand that when an interviewee repeat the story is because the questions they get are always the same, I guess if somebody would dare to ask different questions they would get different answers.


R8WRfVxkjxU

[Carmody]

The reason I posted the bit about seeing a regression hypnotherapist or regression hypnotist is for the given individual to reach a given pass/fail real/false answer that will stick with them for the rest of their lives and completely change the way they see, know, cognate, and understand the world and dimensionality.

To actually and truly have the truth in hand -and mind-, a fee of about $400 is pretty darned small and insignificant.

And the way I see it is that if one does not believe in any of this stuff..and they want hard truth, this is the doorway they need to pass through. Come firewalk with the rest of us.

It is a case of having a real and honest answer ----and that point they need to walk the walk and stop talking the talk.

Step up to the plate, or give it up. Ask oneself an honest question and dare to take the brass ring on the real answer. Show your self your strength and stop it with the weakness. Do you want to go big...or do you want to stay home?

Take the Red Pill.

:)


http://plasticfreeveg.com/images/take_the_red_pill.jpg

[RedeZra]

To actually and truly have the truth in hand -and mind-, a fee of about $400 is pretty darned small and insignificant.


hehe you think you can buy n sell truth which is a gift of God

so did Simon Magus

he wanted to buy a portion of the Holy spirit hehe

[onawah]

The only question I have about what DC says is the two earths theory, that earth will split into two, with one earth experiencing all kinds of negative scenarios, and the other Ascending. That is just too woo woo for me!

[kriya]

The only question I have about what DC says is the two earths theory, that earth will split into two, with one earth experiencing all kinds of negative scenarios, and the other Ascending. That is just too woo woo for me!

Yes I agree with this. I believe this to be metaphorical and not literal as she claims. I don 't believe she really understands this herself. I'm not sure whether I read this in connection with Dolores Cannon or not, but some point to the passage in the New Testament where it talks about two people sleeping and one will be taken and the other left behind etc....This is not literal but refers to the spiritual experience of humans. One who seeks God directly and strives for his/her own liberation will achieve it, whereas the other, emeshed in the world and without a thought for God will be left behind to go on reincarnating until they too turn to God.

Love,

Kriya

[Carmody]

Please meander over to my last post in the 'soul harvester' thread. (last post in the thread) It hits many of the points that I'd need to hit here in order to support some of Dolores works.

We are more talking on issues of personal psychological function than anything else...as they can and do interfere in one's personal capacity for discernment. The point is the design and hierarchy of the physical network we call mind..and how it is used by both the higher self and the 3-d self as a pathway for communication and how it's original construction and design parameters are part and parcel of the issues at hand, here in this thread. like a wise man said, (I paraphrase) 'you tug at one point in nature..and everything moves'.

I'm also going to pull a post from a thread which has gone by the wayside in the off topic area, as it needs to be pulled forward and viewed by more people. it is not my main thrust here, it is merely more connective tissue. It adds to this whole thing, with regard to forming a thought set for the purposes of attempting some sort of discernment of possibilities and potentialities.

Please understand that I'm not saying or uttering specifics but generalizations and groups of thoughts that need be connected together by the reader. Engage your mind, and attempt discernment, that is far healthier than reading missives.

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When you search and dig at the origins of circumcision, you find the same reptilian agenda at the core. It traumatizes the individual away from specific aspects of sexuality at the deepest possible unconscious core mind formation point in the animal cortex, where it is incredibly difficult to reach or understand.

Yet the influence in the conscious thought formation is incredibly strong. It is one of the most single mind debasing and sublimating moments in the given individual male's mind formation as one can possibly imagine.

It is a purposely inserted shift in the mind's entire design and direction. Done through the doorway of organized and controlled religion.

In order to mediate and come to terms with and understand the doorway of the higher self, one must connect to the moment of birth and beyond, to before birth. A balanced mind, both left and right hemispheres firing fully....meditating, viewing through the vehicle we call a body, through the cortex, the spine, the chakras. etc...

It is a purposely erected fear and pain block in the cortex function of this aspect of allowing the higher self through. A blocking knot of pain/fear and fear basing of the developing mind, like pruning a tree to distort it's coming shape... to suit desires.

How much would you alter society, if you took every child born and managed to give them the pain, at birth..... of one of their arms being boiled off?

How would that skew their development and how would that skew the development and existence, orientation, etc of that entire society?

it is designed to block the doorway of human advancement in metaphysics and multi-dimensionality.

it was recently shown that the aspect of universal love comes primarily from the male version of love, not the female. The true female genetic base version of love is one of selfishness. Maternal love is basically selfish, designed that way. Must protect the offspring at all costs. The end. Nothing new there.

However, this does not denote where one gets the mechanistic and formative aspects of their love from, it merely notes the physical genetic aspects. For example, one may have a very universally loving mother and she got her love from her father's genes..and he may be a nasty selfish man as he got the aspects of love from his mother's genes. Etc.

It is a deliberate and purposeful blocking of the potentials of the expression of universal love and sharing, and higher dimensional expression (males by necessity share, that is their input into the animal based human system) within any emergent males in that system, no matter their orientation.


Do you understand now?
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(second follow up post)
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I'll explain further.

The physical mind is one of an elastic or plasticity. The mind can and does break neural paths and it makes new neural paths.

Now, in the moments of massive stress, the greatest fears and the greatest fear and pain, every neuron in the mind begins firing, to attempt to find a way out of the danger, every possible system that can act, and more -does.

At the moment of death, apparently, every neuron in the mind fires, as it does when under the influence of DMT*, which is secreted by the pineal when dying, etc. A snapshot of the mind is created at death. When one is born the same is done in the mind/body of the mother and the child, and it is thought that this occurs to cement the bond of the two together.

This is also part of the point of meditation, the energy, the chakras, Kundalini, etc. Same-Same.

So I hope you can see the incredible trauma of the circumcision does create blockages in the mind at critical and crucial points in life development that should not in any way be disturbed, or pruned and misdirected-blocked.

I'd say, that with this revelation and addition to the thread, the thread might now be best suited to be front and center in the general forum. IMO.

*Dr. Rick Strassman, 'DMT: The Spirit Molecule"

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(now go read the current last post in the 'Soul harvester' thread, post #104)

(the 'views on manifestation' thread also has relevant information that could be considered critical for the purposes of attempting discernment)

My point is one about the mind deciding to protect itself with and though the limitation of the immense potentialities and/or immense 'problem/answer/potentials set' created via the powerful tool of imagination, the very power of creation. Thus we limit our answer set through ego and fear. Happens every day, to, and within each of us. To get what I mean by that, it is important to read that post. It explains further. I won't lift it and drag it here. The point of mentioning it as being connective has to do with the statement about connectivity in everything. That posting has use here. however, no statement or thought is universally applicable to all people (individuals with individual minds) or all situations, individuation requires individual discernment and rumination. However, information is required to make the individual discernment. The point is to realize the ego's influence in those matters.

The mentioned posts describe to some extent the design parameters of the ego function in the mechanistic sense and how that connects to the issue of manifesting connection to the higher self in a balanced and balance point in this 3-d manifestation. This is critical info to consider if one believes we need to move mankind upward and onward.

These are not the only shaped or uttered potential answer sets, as individuation requires a different shape of answer for each of us, to some degree. It is merely another viewpoint. Within the scope of the idea of engaging (taking in and playing with) another viewpoint, you can maybe begin to lay out a series of dots of data...and begin (or add to your current set) to build the outline of an answer for your given self. Thus that line "take what works for you, leave the rest." But.... attempt to be wise enough to realize the ego's origins and influence in these matters.

Actually, this also covers the point fairly decently:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5726-The-specific-base-reason-why-this-war-is-hidden

( I somehow ended up with a an 'angry' icon for the thread-post, which was not my intent. for some reason, I cannot change that. bloody software....)

It's almost a case of "'I'm screaming cuz yer beating me!"..and then... "well, I'm beating you cuz yer screaming!" Man-o-man, how to get out of that loop?

I used to wander through bookstores and sometimes come across someone looking in the 'controversial knowledge' section of this given bookstore. I would direct the person to the book 'The Field' by Lynne McTaggart. I'd say to them, "It is possible to say that every book in this store, every book ever made ...all are trying to do one thing....and all of those pass through this book'. For they are all, in some fashion or another, attempting to understand.

So, is Dolores being manipulated? Yes and no...............:p

No more and no less.....than you or I.

[onawah]

Yes I agree with this. I believe this to be metaphorical and not literal as she claims. I don 't believe she really understands this herself. I'm not sure whether I read this in connection with Dolores Cannon or not, but some point to the passage in the New Testament where it talks about two people sleeping and one will be taken and the other left behind etc....This is not literal but refers to the spiritual experience of humans. One who seeks God directly and strives for his/her own liberation will achieve it, whereas the other, emeshed in the world and without a thought for God will be left behind to go on reincarnating until they too turn to God.

Love,

Kriya

I can agree with the metaphorical idea of two earths splitting off from each other, and the idea of each individual's subjective perceptions determining for them which world they will go with, but the two worlds theory goes much further and says that cataclysms and the worst of the NWO agenda will be part of the negative reality, meaning that that Earth will actually experience physically the worst possible scenario, possibly including complete annihilation. So people who choose the positive reality could not be co-existing on that Earth, because their physical environment would be destroyed, and no matter how positive your outlook might be, physical destruction is physical destruction!
I have never seen any science that really supports the two Earth theory, but if anyone knows of any, I would be interested in seeing it.
Namaste

[Carmody]

I have never seen any science that really supports the two Earth theory, but if anyone knows of any, I would be interested in seeing it.

If I wrack my brain and spend the time, I can probably do that. I'm talking about reams of old, and some critical and very new findings. This will take time.

I just read a few articles from places as prestigious as MIT and such on the idea, in reality... expressed in scientific circles, of existence being that of manifestation of the individual and group, for one. And much more in those sorts of areas. They've always been there, these studies and science/physics works....you just have to search them out.

[Carmody]

hehe you think you can buy n sell truth which is a gift of God

so did Simon Magus

he wanted to buy a portion of the Holy spirit hehe

The point was to put the influence of the given participant and general reader's ego function..front and center and in the hot seat, under the lights, being questioned hard. to see the mask of the manipulation of the ego on the thought formation level and to know and feel the influence of it directly. It is fleeting and difficult to grasp for most.

To put it on the table so it is seen and felt as a final 'fight or flight' scenario that targets the slippery ego, and all it's myriad ways of influencing thought patterns.

So, in essence the point I raised ...pins your ego, dear reader...it pins your ego to the table and it cannot run away and hide in the deep recesses of your mind. Pinned to the table under the hot lights.. it will still insist, from behind your thoughts and behind your eyes that this is not real and should not be looked at -or into. It will command you to go and do the dishes (by forming thought pattens that lead to sub-vocalizations and body motions that lead to that), whatever it takes, silently, sneakily, stealthily... and forget this entire post as permanently as you can.

Watch for it. Pay attention now.

So..you take the words: "Pay Attention Now."..and put that on a sticky note or similar. Put it on the inside of your wallet, in your purse, on the dash of your car.

And then, one day, you will see it and try and remember why it was there. And you will finally remember. And in the moment.....catch the ego in action. (why you rotten little barsteward! :p )

[Wood]

It is weird how, to get through all our miseries, defects or sins, we always need a priest, a healer, a shaman, a doctor, a scientist, a psychiatrist or a hypnotherapist. Some may argue we also need a publicist, a hairdresser, a lawyer, a policeman, a politician or a tailor...

I'd rather think we just need to sit quietly and watch within. How I dare.

[Carmody]

It is weird how, to get through all our miseries, defects or sins, we always need a priest, a healer, a shaman, a doctor, a scientist, a psychiatrist or a hypnoterapist. Some may argue we also need a publicist, hairdresser or a tailor...

I'd rather think we just need to sit quietly and watch within.

My point exactly. As above, so below. As outside, so within.

And everything be everything.

To paraphrase and run risk of putting words in her mouth...One of Dolores main points is that what we think of as consciousness (daily life) is really a somnambulistic/hypnotic dream state.

[Wood]

To paraphrase and run risk of putting words in her mouth...One of Dolores main points is that what we think of as consciousness (daily life) is really a somnambulistic/hypnotic dream state.

And she happens to have the quick red pill to freedom? $400 bucks is quite a bargain for that.
However, by relying on third parties and quick paths instead of doing the hard work ourselves we risk to deepen our somnambulistic state.
Of course we are being told that this thought is just fear and that we should discard it and go for our favourite saviour. Quick.

[cloud9]

Carmody,
I just want to say thank you.... as English is not my first language and I started learning it at 40 years old, It's very hard for me to have that flow and elegance with it, so many times I feel very limited trying to get my ideas across using this language that still feels very foreign to me and mi mind. Also this is one of the reasons I don't post as much as I'd like.

I don't believe everything I read or see 100% including Dolores material but after doing many regressions myself I've come to understand a little better all the weirdness of reality, perhaps better said, I've come to understand a lot less what we call reality.

Nobody knows what's going to happen in the next few years or if something is going to happen but gathering information and learning new stuff is definitely good for us.

[cloud9]

It is weird how, to get through all our miseries, defects or sins, we always need a priest, a healer, a shaman, a doctor, a scientist, a psychiatrist or a hypnotherapist. Some may argue we also need a publicist, a hairdresser, a lawyer, a policeman, a politician or a tailor...

I'd rather think we just need to sit quietly and watch within. How I dare.

What a strange comment...
We haven't yet gotten to the point were we can do everything by ourselves so yes, we still need doctors, nurses, teachers, hairdressers and plumbers...
also we still need books, videos, computers, internet and so on, don't we?

[Beren]

" you received for free- give for free"

Wonder how many did listened to this particular sentence...
The truth ,the highest and the Love came from Creator for free... and people still won't believe that... rather they turn to ones the physically see and happily pay them for portion of truth often mixed and spiced with lies...

Now, why this world is in such chaos these days, may I ask???

:ranger:

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What a strange comment...
We haven't yet gotten to the point were we can do everything by ourselves so yes, we still need doctors, nurses, teachers, hairdressers and plumbers...
also we still need books, videos, computers, internet and so on, don't we?

Now ,we do need all of this and yet we don`t.
It`s complicated to grasp now since we live chaotically ...

[cloud9]

And she happens to have the quick red pill to freedom? $400 bucks is quite a bargain for that.
However, by relying on third parties and quick paths instead of doing the hard work ourselves we risk to deepen our somnambulistic state.
Of course we are being told that this thought is just fear and that we should discard it and go for our favourite saviour. Quick.

$400 bucks is by no means the standard price for a regression, it can be the price somebody has set for his/her work but there's no such a thing as "one" price. Every therapist decides what to charge, I've seen prices from $75 to $300 which is in the same range as doctors charge.
Now, you can say that doctors have the right to charge like this for their work but how many times doctors really "cure" their patients? In one visit?
Have you seen something remarkable happen in a doctors office?
I haven't seen anybody here complaining about doctors fees so what's the problem? Why people tend to believe some professionals deserve more than others?

[Beren]

$400 bucks is by no means the standard price for a regression, it can be the price somebody has set for his/her work but there's no such a thing as "one" price. Every therapist decides what to charge, I've seen prices from $75 to $300 which is in the same range as doctors charge.
Now, you can say that doctors have the right to charge like this for their work but how many times doctors really "cure" their patients? In one visit?
Have you seen something remarkable happen in a doctors office?
I haven't seen anybody here complaining about doctors fees so what's the problem? Why people tend to believe some professionals deserve more than others?


It`s possible that you will misunderstand me now but please honestly answer this:
you are in one Jewish town 2000 years ago and it happens that accidentally Jesus passes through and you stood with crowd to see and ask questions... Now you lay down your health problem before Jesus and he cures you up...
And then he say: " one golden talant ,please, that`s the price nowadays..."

What you would feel then ?

Or you can`t imagine Jesus asking money for his healing, right?

Or when real healing happens does it include money in equation at all?

[Wood]

I haven't seen anybody here complaining about doctors fees so what's the problem? Why people tend to believe some professionals deserve more than others?

This system is over. We keep in the trap by not taking our freedom back. This means we should detach from most of the current system and expend the time working in the connection to our spirit. I have the feeling the time is running out quickly and most people are still busy in the trap. Next trap for them will be, I am afraid, far more bleak: New Age/New Dawn/NWO/A brave new world/1984.

Just my view.

[cloud9]

It`s possible that you will misunderstand me now but please honestly answer this:
you are in one Jewish town 2000 years ago and it happens that accidentally Jesus passes through and you stood with crowd to see and ask questions... Now you lay down your health problem before Jesus and he cures you up...
And then he say: " one golden talant ,please, that`s the price nowadays..."

What you would feel then ?

Or you can`t imagine Jesus asking money for his healing, right?

Or when real healing happens does it include money in equation at all?

Beren,
I really respect your posts and I know how you love Jesus, me too.

Even though I understand your point please tell me:

Did Jesus paid rent?
Did Jesus paid a mortgage?
Did Jesus paid for water or went to the supermarket to buy groceries?
Did Jesus paid for gas?

Do you work for free? Do Pastors, priests, teachers, nurses work for free?

Again and with all due respect, how come some people think we should work for free when they don't?

[cloud9]

This system is over. We keep in the trap by not taking our freedom back. This means we should detach from most of the current system and expend the time working in the connection to our spirit. I have the feeling the time is running out quickly and most people are still busy in the trap. Next trap for them will be, I am afraid, far more bleak: New Age/New Dawn/NWO/A brave new world/1984.

Just my view.

Sorry Wood,
the system is not over. How do you make a living? Or perhaps you are a lucky person who doesn't need money at all... if you have been able to detach from the system and leave the trap would you be so nice and tell us how to do it? For free...

[Beren]

Beren,
I really respect your posts and I know how you love Jesus, me too.

Even though I understand your point please tell me:

Did Jesus paid rent?
Did Jesus paid a mortgage?
Did Jesus paid for water or went to the supermarket to buy groceries?
Did Jesus paid for gas?

Do you work for free? Do Pastors, priests, teachers, nurses work for free?

Again and with all due respect, how come some people think we should work for free when they don't?

Yes , I understand your points and agree with you.
The thing I wanted to say is whenever someone appears which unlock deep soul secrets and show people way "out" he/she always wish to cash in.
Now even that is not bad per se...

But I understand this whole situation in this highest way; if I give somebody the most precious thing, I give it out of love and wish nothing material in return.
But again nothing is bad of itself ,it`s we whom give good or bad thought or intention to the subject.
In this moment related to Dolores, I have no desire to go to her because I would always rather go to source- Living Christ. But also I will not condemn others who will ask help from her,for she is also child of God and God can use her to help others too.

[cloud9]

From my own experience and regarding Dolores Cannon technique, she always advices her students to start doing this job for free and gain experience before they start to charge for their services and so far everybody takes her advice seriously. I did many regressions for free for 1 1/2 years before I started charging and I still do for people who can't pay, every session takes between 3 and 5 hours and trust me, it's hard work.

[onawah]

I have never seen any science that really supports the two Earth theory, but if anyone knows of any, I would be interested in seeing it.

If I wrack my brain and spend the time, I can probably do that. I'm talking about reams of old, and some critical and very new findings. This will take time.

I just read a few articles from places as prestigious as MIT and such on the idea, in reality... expressed in scientific circles, of existence being that of manifestation of the individual and group, for one. And much more in those sorts of areas. They've always been there, these studies and science/physics works....you just have to search them out.

Are you volunteering, Carmody? I would be interested in whatever you come up with. Thanks!
Though I'm still not sure I will be convinced!!
Physics is so exciting now, if it can be explained to those of us who are not physicists.

[morguana]

here you go avalonians......a free world wide group for self reaslisation and spiritual growth
http://www.sahajayoga.org/
also going to church, mosque, synagogue are all free as well as many buddist meditation groups.......
and anyone can learn self hypnosis......therefore can regress.....for free, all you need to learn is technique and we all know that we can get books, cd's for free from our liberarys
just throwing this in the mix
m

edit to add, anyone who is charging the earth for spiritual growth programms imho should not be touched with a barge pole, a small fee or donation is fine, we all have to live somehow

back to the op, jack anyone claiming the absolute truth is not to be trusted again this is just my humble opinion

[cloud9]

here you go avalonians......a free world wide group for self reaslisation and spiritual growth
http://www.sahajayoga.org/
also going to church, mosque, synagogue are all free as well as many buddist meditation groups.......
and anyone can learn self hypnosis......therefore can regress.....for free, all you need to learn is technique and we all know that we can get books, cd's for free from our liberarys
just throwing this in the mix
m

Thank you Morguana for your tips and the yoga link.
I just want to say that for applying Dolores' technique is not possible to do it yourself, you can regress yourself but for the part of the session that is the contact with the subconcious or Higher Self you need to be in such a deep level of hypnosis your conscious mind has to be put aside and with self hypnosis is not possible because the level of trance achieved is really shallow and the conscious mind is still present.

[morguana]

actually cloud9 it is, i am a hypotherapist and know all about deep trances
(before chidrearing, bc, that is :) )

[Wood]

the system is not over. How do you make a living? Or perhaps you are a lucky person who doesn't need money at all... if you have been able to detach from the system and leave the trap would you be so nice and tell us how to do it? For free...

With 'the system is over' I meant it is dieing. There is no need to worry about 10 years from now, I think.

I can tell you this for free: your path is yours to discover. Be sure you do not live the path the PTBs have laid out for you. Eat as little as possible (look in this forum about information regarding living without food). Spend as little money as possible: you do not need most of the stuff you already have. Waste as little time as possible working, entertaining yourself, etc. You may miss some things but time is a luxury right now. Use your time to do meditation and learn to hear your intuition: it will lead you to get the information you need to free yourself. Focus on that. If you follow your path you'll be supported.
I doubt it will include visiting the hypnotherapist, but hey, who knows.

If you have kids to feed, you are out of luck. The system has a whole new set of traps for you and it will be quite difficult to get out of that. Still, I think it can be done.

And of course this advice may be wrong but that's the point: find your own path and be sure it is your own.

[cloud9]

Morguana, have you ever done it yourself?
Can you please tell me (us) more about it?
The problem I find is that for directing myself into trance I have to give myself directions which means my conscious mind is doing it, if I'm successful at it and I am under, I can't direct myself anymore. How can I do it?
By the way, what's chidrearing?

[cloud9]

Nice Wood but even if true, how do you support your family for the next 10 years?
Do you apply the "eat as little as possible"? Because I do and I fast when I can too. The other things as spending little, etc., I apply them too, the only thing I haven't been able to do is meditation, it seems to me that time goes so fast I never find enough of it to do it or I'm always with somebody else.
Anyway, going to the hypnotherapist is not a bad thing, you would be amazed how much help and knowledge you get doing so.

[morguana]

childrearing is bringing up children :), everyone is different re deep trance state, so you will need to have a play around and read up with regards to technique,
yes i have done it myself many many times and will not publically say too much, as my spiritual life is as far as im concerned a private matter and to be honest
would not be helpfull to others as we all have our own way of doing things.
however it is possable, but you will need to remember the monkey mind needs a banana to keep it busy whilst you drop down into a trance,
once you can do this then you should have no problems.
m

[MariaDine]

:) Thanks Morgana for the meditation site .


http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-do-Zazen---Seated-Meditation-79727433

[cloud9]

childrearing is bringing up children :), everyone is different re deep trance state, so you will need to have a play around and read up with regards to technique,
yes i have done it myself many many times and will not publically say too much, as my spiritual life is as far as im concerned a private matter and to be honest
would not be helpfull to others as we all have our own way of doing things.
however it is possable, but you will need to remember the monkey mind needs a banana to keep it busy whilst you drop down into a trance,
once you can do this then you should have no problems.
m

Thanks Morgana, but...
I didn't ask anything about your spiritual life and honestly I don't understand how sharing a little knowledge would not be helpful but thank you anyway.

[morguana]

sorry cloud9 but its bed time here in uk, so will say good night avalonians

re regression, i have gone back about 40,000 years, all pretty mundaine and daily live/death stuff, dont know if its genetic memory, ancetral or other lives.....in my gut, i feel other lives, have had physical manifestations on my body from some regressions
anyway i dont think it will help anyone knowing this, but if it does cool!

nighty night all
m
edit to add glimpes only, can't be bothered to go into past lives in too much detail

[noxon medem]

pt (per time)
..
Of course she is, in her own way ..
- " we all are being manipulated by
a multitude of powers, that has claimed
power in our lives, or we gave it away .."
What manipulates you, and your mind,
that create your reality ?
I perceive her like strong, allthough she
like all, or most of us, have to make
compromises.
..
2372 -'- 2373
..
B' lessoned
Blessed ones
..

[Agape]

Beren,
I really respect your posts and I know how you love Jesus, me too.

Even though I understand your point please tell me:

Did Jesus paid rent?
Did Jesus paid a mortgage?
Did Jesus paid for water or went to the supermarket to buy groceries?
Did Jesus paid for gas?

Do you work for free? Do Pastors, priests, teachers, nurses work for free?

Again and with all due respect, how come some people think we should work for free when they don't?


The problem with all above, in this world, our times, even if we do work for free, it's always someone else that has to pay rent for us.

It's puzzled me always as well and till now..if you observe the work and way of some of the 'greatest' teachers of humanity, contemporary ones,

they might be monks, they preach ultimate freedom from all the taxes, yet there's always someone behind, needing to back them up.

So far, no one could move just by power of will, eat the sunshine and sleep on clouds at night.


And I suspect, it was always that way...rationals of each times included.


A similar question I once brought up as when Milarepa became enlightened , means all'knowing, would he understand computers ? :lol:

All is relative and inter-related , Divinity is the Infinite we're getting close to, various ways, all and together.

I believe there are many people in our times capable to realize, genuine way , the way of Jesus, of Buddha , of other Divinities and Star Beings embodied, yet,

what is the meaning of being one among many when this world needs practical and timely solutions to its difficulties.

Truth is time-less phenomenon. Yet, is the same Truth Not Infinite and is it not expressible Indefinite number of ways through each of us and is it not what we were meant to realize ?


Just repeating what's written in our books, becoming copies of copies is silly way forwards and anyone who's done genuinely enough of that , came to an end and realize that this his own journey , enlightenment and times are still waiting for his own courage..


I believe..

:angel:

[truthseekerdan]

pt (per time)
..
Of course she is, in her own way ..
- " we all are being manipulated by
a multitude of powers, that has claimed
power in our lives, or we gave it away .."
What manipulates you, and your mind,
that create your reality ?
I perceive her like strong, allthough she
like all, or most of us, have to make
compromises.
B' lessoned
Blessed ones
..

Maybe because she knows/has some info that was told to withheld until the right time?

JMHO

[RedeZra]

A similar question I once brought up as when Milarepa became enlightened , means all'knowing, would he understand computers ? :lol:


why use a cumbersome computer when one has access to the Book of Life ;)

(nuage read Akashic Records )

[Carmody]

And she happens to have the quick red pill to freedom? $400 bucks is quite a bargain for that.
However, by relying on third parties and quick paths instead of doing the hard work ourselves we risk to deepen our somnambulistic state.
Of course we are being told that this thought is just fear and that we should discard it and go for our favorite saviour. Quick.

The point is that it is not really about the money or the amount of money, at all.

It's about understanding that the potentials of question and answer really are 100% in front of you.....and whether you personally have the will or desire to know the actual and real truth of reality .....or if your ego and other similar and connected considerations are currently standing in the way of that.

to understand that you actually ARE in the moment and the decision to actually know ~or not~.... IS actually in front of you. Right now. So the point is to put your ego under the lights and see how it squirms.

Ie... I see your bet ...and I'm calling you on it. I raise you a 100% actual and real reality check.

Do you really want to know?

Or are you still in the phase of fooling yourself?

To make tomorrow happen today you have to move inaction to today's action.

Like trying to get someone I know to to exercise..I told them, "well, while you are thinking about it...go over to the exercise bike...and sit on it...and then while thinking about it...turn the pedals with your feet....and just ruminate like that for a while..."

it has to do with inaction and ego taking over and freezing us from acting ahead..when we know better. We just can't get over ourselves and our fears at times, in this complex world where emotions can make workable situations difficult to pass through, as our rationality and thinking are suspended due to ego derived emotional considerations...(emotions underlying and part of ego function-which is why rational thought goes away during emotional situations as the higher self and the intellect form the internal voice, for communications.... via ego function-ego function being based in the core function and is then ruled by core emotions and autonomous 'fight or flight' function)

What I mean is that over time, the human system has developed a defense and discernment capacity for the spoken word, as humans learned to lie and distort in our communications with one another. So we had to develop a method of discernment for speech..and now discernment with the written word..which we are still learning.


Now we come to visuals.

For the longest time, humans could believe what they saw. Down to the genetic core level, at the animal level of brain function.

At this time, we have little to no capacity (depending on the given human committing to the act of visual observation) to discern what we see, on the base internal level of truth, or not. We are still in the process of learning to discern the truth in visuals. It is why we find teleplays or films so exciting and involving. Due to us only beginning to build an internal function for discernment of truth in visuals..we can be and are fooled. Sometimes we like it, thus our joy and 'suspension of disbelief' when watching dramatic works in film, stage plays, what have you.

Thus, what we see may not intellectually fool us but it definitely does at the base cranial animal level. for example.., in the male, it is visuals causing sexual arousal. Almost impossible to prevent, as we do not yet have the capacity to discern truth vs reality in the visual sense.

For.... until about 150 years ago, it was wholly against nature and what the body has understood through it's entire development. Until then, it was not necessary to have this capacity. so, in the hands of some, this lack of development on the fundamental level can be used for the manipulation of man, on a base level that goes unnoticed in most people..as they never really think about it.


To go full circle on this:
In essence, anyone who thinks they truly want to know if there are 'worlds beyond' or not, 'dimensions beyond', or not... in the fake/real black/white sense but does not actually commit to action on that point, right now, today, and then henceforth forgets about it for months at a time really IS fooling themselves and really ARE being dragged about by their ego function, which is freezing them out of actually committing to action.

I have my best and most honest conversations with people who are dealing with the death of parts of their lives, loved ones, or are in the moment of dying themselves. All pretense and all unreality created by the ego begins to break away at this point and people can finally be reached. However, the opposite that you don't want is also true---the essentials of brainwashing are also in those points. The PTB, use fear and visuals, written word, etc to 'grease' people's minds and bodies into accepting the lies put in front of them. David Icke's 'problem, reaction, solution' Statement.

It's about knowledge and perspective, to some extent. Watch this. I was looking for the scene from 'lethal weapon' where Mel Gibson switches things round on the 'suicide jumper' so the attempt becomes the reality. I could not find it, but I found something actually, considerably more interesting. It's about the animal within and the need to gain perspective to help sublimate the emotions and ego function from getting in the way of one's individual advancement. Listen closely to what Mel says. when it comes to 'going clear' within the self, the occupant of the body, the spirit and manifestations of intellect do not have the fear function of the ego. Watch the autonomous aspects of the ego function get in Mel's way and how it (his situation) evolved. When one is attempting to understand if any thing that Dolores says is real or not or if any of this is real or not - your ego interferes in the exact same way. It freezes you out of action, it creates inaction and blocks the formation of clear and directed thought.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycErnvwt24U&p=DD47EF8CC1ECF118&playnext=1&index=91

[sjkted]

This is a great thread. I've been offline for a while, but this topic has been occupying my mind for a week even though I haven't been following it online.

I wanted to throw some new information into the mix. Dr. Michael Newton does much the same method as Delores Cannon, but his emphasis is what happens to us in between lives.

Wes Penre did a write up on his books. The first two articles are background and most people here can probably skip them:

http://wespenre.com/life-between-lives.htm
http://wespenre.com/the-game.htm

This is the important one as it deals with the deception:

http://wespenre.com/afterlife-programming.htm

Please read this last one as it is very important.

One thing I like about Dr. Newton's books is he stays very detached from the matter personally. He doesn't have any invested interest in trying to bring about any of the material -- he's just looking to see what's there and using as much of a scientific method as possible.

The basic idea is that we are in a prison here and in-between lives. It's a debtor's prison if you will. We are all in deep karmic debt and we need to work it out in incarnations. The problem is the system is rigged -- it's like the IMF. We are never meant to get out of karmic debt, just as someone who has a loan with 50% annual interest is never meant to pay it off.

I would be very interested in a candid discussion of this topic with anyone.

This does very much correlate with the WingMaker material, Alex Collier's testimony, the Groundcrew books, and Ashayana Deane's material and puts a very strong case that anyone who does not introduce the evil agenda and denounce it is part of it or being manipulated by it.

Now, I know it's not a good thing to focus on the negative. But, I'm beginning to see what Alex Collier means by it being our birthright to know about our history and what is really happening.

The negative side plays both sides of the game. When it poses as the positive, it is just trying to deceive us into faulty thinking and accepting occult paradigms that will make us less powerful or disorient us into what's really going on.

I think there's a fine line between focusing on the negative (thinking Alex Jones) and just giving a brief disclaimer of a minute or two saying this is the real deal and this is what is happening, etc. before going on with the main message.

If this information is factual, then it means we are completely cut off from finding the truth. It means we can disprove what is untrue but we cannot know what is true. This isn't just a philosophical pondering -- it's important because each one of us basis our lives on doing something that we think is important and valuable, and if we don't know the truth, we're all just wasting our energy, time, and focus on endeavors that have no value to ourselves or anyone else. In other words, we're being completely subverted.

--sjkted

[Carmody]

Hhmmm. I recall no mention of Dr. Newton making any notions that any of what he found is of a nature where we are trapped in a prison. I do read very carefully,as I'm down to the point where I read an entire book to find ONE sentence that might illuminate me or show me something I do not already know.

My recollection is that of the two books, there is exactly one sentence of that nature and it only hints, and it makes no evil connotations or connections. of, course, I did have the thoughts you express here and the thoughts in the article linked go through my mind, in the general 'similar in type' sense. meaning, I did consider that subject of the article as a possibility. There is no reason not to. However, I tend to give it less weight than it needs, in my mind and understandings..that it needs to fall into my personal idea of being the truth. However, I did find that one person who said they scanned me to check on who I was, they said I was Sirian*....and another that scanned me seemed more than a bit impressed, and found it a bit daunting that according to their findings, I could pass through the 'shield' that blocks us, that ties us to the earth area. For whatever that is worth. meh. A person born on the exact same day as I was...did call his band a name after 'the dog star', and I have been around dogs since birth.



*Surely you cannot be Sirius! :p (Yes I am and stop calling me Shirley)

[sjkted]

Right you are, Carmody. The trick here is reading between the lines and asking the bigger questions. Did you read the third article from Wes Penre?

--sjkted

[Snowbird]

I wanted to throw some new information into the mix. Dr. Michael Newton does much the same method as Delores Cannon, but his emphasis is what happens to us in between lives.


This is the important one as it deals with the deception:

http://wespenre.com/afterlife-programming.htm

Please read this last one as it is very important.

O.M.G.!! The information in this afterlife-programming article, just figuratively hit me between the eyes!! This is SO true!! This info has been sitting in the back of my thinking process for all this time and has now just come up to the fore. Yes! This is TOTAL deception. I will definitely get David Icke's new book and read Wes Penre.

The reason that I am soooo excited about this is two-fold.

One, I know that I know that once I leave this earth, that I will not reincarnate here. I think that this is my first and last sojourn here. Once I leave planet Earth, its hasta la bye bye.

Two, not terribly long ago I was in light meditation and was chatting with what I thought was my guide. I was concerned at the time with a family situation and was told by this guide that I shouldn't worry about it because I can always reincarnate back to earth to work through this situation again and make a go of it.

There has always been something terribly wrong with that advice. What I was told by the guide, has stayed with me for years and has bothered me proportionately.

I now understand the sleazy creepyness of what is REALLY going on in this earth plane. Answers from the past are flooding into my brain and heart right now.

The Illuminati cabal and their antics are nothing more or less than an attention-getting sideshow to keep the real true control from being found out.

Thank you sjkted for posting this information. This was definitely meant for me and I am hoping with all my heart that there are others who are awakened to this also. :thumb:

[Carmody]

Right you are, Carmody. The trick here is reading between the lines and asking the bigger questions. Did you read the third article from Wes Penre?

--sjkted

Yes I did, and it was that scan and answer from the participant of the Thoth forum (capacity to pass through the earth block/shield)...... that got me kicked off of it. I spent my time there helping people get past the idea and onto the realities of manifesting psychokinesis and dimensional congruence. Simply by evidencing it's existence within us all.

By relating stories like this:

http://www.rense.com/general13/drchupa.htm

You see, I remember doing that...traveling that exact power line, that exact location. I tended to, at the time, travel down power lines as there is a energy field (a zone) around power lines that makes it easy to travel down. Very much like mini-vortex or energy grid lines like that of the Becker-Hagens grid. At that time, I was sleeping about 1.5 hours a night , max, which is one of the signs of enlightenment and manifestation or connecting the dimensions together. One is completely wakeful, even when sleeping. Ie, the consciousness is dimensionally connected and the mind is then multi-dimensionally connected and needs no sleep. since I was new at it (in the incarnated form), my capacity to control it or manifest as a shaped being was, er... a bit off, and traveling down power lines is, well, a bit tricky at best. :p

This all ties back to the astrological thing and why we have a thing called the 'ascendant' (astrological ascendant) which is the point where the spirit is considered to enter the body at birth..which is the point at which the sun crests the horizon at the point at which the body is born. (the spread of energy and patterns - frequency spread-exactly as that of a thin shaft of light through a prism-think dark side of the moon cover art) This is known in astrology as the 'rose colored glasses' (EGO!) or mask we wear that all we interpret ..in or out... is colored by. Incidentally, Lucifer is.....'the angel of the dawn'. OUCH! Due to the spread of energies at the light horizon or 'energy lensing horizon', we can find the right resonance to easily travel down (least resistance) and enter the human body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

See Dan Winters site for more connective tissue...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/esp_sumer_annunaki09.htm

As well, the planet Venus.... oddly enough, as viewed through the position the earth..describes a PERFECT pentagram..in 5 cycles of motion or retrograde periods. Check out the astrological cycling on that one. And, oddly enough, in hebrew base religion, the morning star is all critical. The central aspect. Even the Rosslyn chapel follows this point to perfection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Chapel

Dan's site also mentions that the original Hebrew tongue is one that is the exact and real acoustical vibrations that equal or equate to the actual energetic or light vibrations of multi-dimensional power. Ie, the power of the word, is all and all encompassing, but specific as a point of energetic translation of mind (higher dimension) to 3-d reality. Recall that the original Hebrew works were not to be written down but spoken only. Shades of pyramid power and similar where people speak of being in earlier incarnations in Egypt where they ran the pyramid system with the power of voice alone. Rig Veda> Nada Brahma> "Sound is God" ( Original Hebrew tounge:"Modern research confirms, the most ancient form [of] Hebrew to be a natural language, the alphabetic forms emerging from the phosphene flare patterns of the brain."). (Then look into the enlil-enki thing about 'the chosen tribe', etc)

(side story alert on!)
One of my past life memories deals with activating the pyramid, I being the last person to do (attempt) it....and I made a royal mess of it. This was in the early Roman occupation of Egypt, I was investigating antiquities through being sponsored by a friend who was on the ruling council for the occupied Egyptian province/domain. I was in the mess (which wasn't a mess at the time) at the bottom of the shaft at the center, under the base of the pyramid, when I used voice, a low resonant note to activate it..but the upper shafts where blocked, (whoops!)....the energies backfired and collapsed the horn/resonant structure that was built into the base shaft. And the damn thing collapsed on my head. Crap! Dead again! That was an interesting story in itself. If regressed, I could probably tell you of the entire underground structures of the plateau. And what quite a bit of it means. i managed to get the priests to talk with me and I was there for about 10 years, and managed to decipher the language and sounds/voice, which is how I tried to turn that puppy on. I think the backfire caused a massive earthquake in Asia. :blink:
(/side story alert off!)

Then this gets back to the whole idea of the massive number of moon anomalies and how it's energies affect the earth and size matches and how it interferes in the energies that affect the earth..that come from the sun. The resonance of energies is perfect. As well, back to Nickolai Kozyrev and the point of aluminum being the only thing that interferes in scalar or aetheric energies..and those being found by Kozyrev to be emissions directly from SUNS and STARS... and those energies being wholly outside of time or time invariant. And that the the constitution of the moon being very heavy in aluminum. Meaning, on the aetheric or multi-dimensional level..the moon could be seen as giant resonant lensing device of aetheric energies. (above top secret> Jim Marrs>Moon anomalies> NASA stories, some from astronauts>moon rings like a bell when hit) And that the only thing that passes through all dimensions as a form of energetic exchange IS the frequency or vibrational information.

So I'm with you on the possibilities, and I may have just firmed up your hypothesis just a bit.

Ie, the earth-sun-solar system IS a karmic energy wheel..and the astrology via vibrational patterning (from the constant change/motion of the planets in the solar system) is/becomes the basic shape of the physical vessel we occupy, spiritually.

Or, that through the vibrational changes due to solar system planetary motion and differentials (each planet does have a different electrical and gravitational frequency signature, this is in the books, known science it is) .. of the individual vehicle that manifests as a human body -this is the act of vessel individuation--- and the moon may be an interfering insertion in the natural order..this may be taking place...in order to take over the earth's actual original purpose, which is a place of incarnation.

For the moon does indeed shape, and alter, and create cyclic emotional patterns that are quite firmly locked in. And the ego function is created by the physical body and the body/ego is thus..is cyclically modulated and ruled by moon vibration, motion, and patterning. Locked in, in fact.. And it does deeply interfere in manifestation and connectivity to higher dimensions. And sublimating or dealing with the emotions is critical to reaching full potential. To silence the ego is to learn and see the true shape or to see with the mind..the true shape of multi-dimensional realities. When this is done, the potentials of actual manifestation on all levels begins to appear in the given individual. The fear based living is given a chance at dissipating, even though the onset is quite fearful for most, due to the ego, and thus the lower astral realms and their influence in the immediate sense of connectivity - for the incarnating soul.

An example of a found interesting point is that the 'plan in de-population' of the earth...is to kill any vessel or human that reaches past the age of 44. This is interesting ..for in astrology..that is the point at which the vibrational learning influences in the patterning of physical life (in time-with the solar system being the karmic wheel of individuation) which the very oddly placed planet Uranus (the planet is unique in the solar system, it is spinning on it's SIDE) ...finishes it's cycle of 'opposition' which is the realization of the 'mirror of humanity'. So the individual learns of their place in and 'as humanity' at the age of 44, that mirror of realization becomes complete. (one's individual 'Uranus opposition' begins at age 42, and ends at about age 44)

So sure, all that went through my mind, yes. Potentials in reality.

Now if that is all true or not, that is a question, isn't it?

[sjkted]

O.M.G.!! The information in this afterlife-programming article, just figuratively hit me between the eyes!! This is SO true!! This info has been sitting in the back of my thinking process for all this time and has now just come up to the fore. Yes! This is TOTAL deception. I will definitely get David Icke's new book and read Wes Penre.

The reason that I am soooo excited about this is two-fold.

One, I know that I know that once I leave this earth, that I will not reincarnate here. I think that this is my first and last sojourn here. Once I leave planet Earth, its hasta la bye bye.

Two, not terribly long ago I was in light meditation and was chatting with what I thought was my guide. I was concerned at the time with a family situation and was told by this guide that I shouldn't worry about it because I can always reincarnate back to earth to work through this situation again and make a go of it.

There has always been something terribly wrong with that advice. What I was told by the guide, has stayed with me for years and has bothered me proportionately.

I now understand the sleazy creepyness of what is REALLY going on in this earth plane. Answers from the past are flooding into my brain and heart right now.

The Illuminati cabal and their antics are nothing more or less than an attention-getting sideshow to keep the real true control from being found out.

Thank you sjkted for posting this information. This was definitely meant for me and I am hoping with all my heart that there are others who are awakened to this also. :thumb:

I have also had this type of experience when speaking with spirit guides. The point I want to make is that they are real, they do follow us around and bring information to us, etc. BUT they are part of a system. I see them as kind of like a school counselor. Their job is to match us up with what we can do in "school". The problem is that they are of the system and not aware of what it is. I don't think they are evil or negative entities, but that they are limited in their perception beyond the 3D.

Another example would be that they are like a public defender. It's nice to know there is public help for people, but if I ever found myself in court, I would not want one of them plea bargaining for me.

Another example is doctors. They are not bad people, per se (I work with many of them), but they have a God complex. Most of them truly think they are doing God's work or what God can't do or has bestowed to them. They don't really "help" people, they just prescribe drugs or remove body parts or insert synthetic devices, which just provides a quick "fix" so that the patient can keep living. They do what they can within the bounds of the system, many are trying to help, and some even have their hearts in the right place. But, in most cases, they are not helping people.

The deception is that this is the nature of 3D. There is no good that can come from this because we are completely cut off from our higher senses and bound to be manipulated. The system is the basis of manipulation and just like our political systems, cannot be reformed. It is doing exactly what it was meant to do, just like the IMF is meant to destroy the sovereignty of nations through debt -- not to lend a helping hand in times of need.

--sjkted

[cloud9]

I have read and heard before about the system operating in the after life which I see as something really scary because would it mean that we are absolutely trapped not just here but there where supposedly we would find comfort and we would merge with The Source.
I'm starting to read this material but in the meantime I got a question: Who is Wes Penre? What is the source of the material?
Thank you

[truthseekerdan]

One, I know that I know that once I leave this earth, that I will not reincarnate here. I think that this is my first and last sojourn here. Once I leave planet Earth, its hasta la bye bye.


Not necessarily when seen from a higher perspective (level). :tape2: ;)

[sjkted]

I have read and heard before about the system operating in the after life which I see as something really scary because would it mean that we are absolutely trapped not just here but there where supposedly we would find comfort and we would merge with The Source.
I'm starting to read this material but in the meantime I got a question: Who is Wes Penre? What is the source of the material?
Thank you

Wes Penre is a long-time writer of Illuminati/NWO/occult information since the late '90s. He had a website illuminati-news.com which has some good info, but has been without updates for a long time. Honestly, I don't know too much about him, although he has provided me with some good sources from time to time. In this case, he's just doing a book report/analysis on Dr. Newton's work.

--sjkted

[Mluck]

Jack I am much like you constantly reasearching and investigating and have been doing so for 10 plus years now on different subjects. I think all you can do is trust your gut and your heart that is what I have always done and it has never steered me wrong. I have a hard time believeing anyone who says they have messages from other beings, because who is to say what these beings true intentions are. Like someone already said with so many different opinions and peoples different storys I think you have to take what resonates with you and leave the rest like I said trust your gut and your heart and ask the questions know one else will!

[Carmody]

I have read and heard before about the system operating in the after life which I see as something really scary because would it mean that we are absolutely trapped not just here but there where supposedly we would find comfort and we would merge with The Source.
I'm starting to read this material but in the meantime I got a question: Who is Wes Penre? What is the source of the material?
Thank you

If you feel you are strong enough..ask to see it. (the system operating in the afterlife) And you will be allowed to. To some degree. Note that the emotions will color and shape what you see. Above all (during the attempt)...remind yourself to...relax. :)

Synchronicity! post numero uno-uno-uno! hehheheh...

[Carmody]

An example of a found interesting point is that the 'plan in de-population' of the earth...is to kill any vessel or human that reaches past the age of 44. This is interesting ..for in astrology..that is the point at which the vibrational learning influences in the patterning of physical life (in time-with the solar system being the karmic wheel of individuation) which the very oddly placed planet Uranus (the planet is unique in the solar system, it is spinning on it's SIDE) ...finishes it's cycle of 'opposition' which is the realization of the 'mirror of humanity'. So the individual learns of their place in and 'as humanity' at the age of 44, that mirror of realization becomes complete. (one's individual 'Uranus opposition' begins at age 42, and ends at about age 44)

So sure, all that went through my mind, yes. Potentials in reality.

Now if that is all true or not, that is a question, isn't it?

There is much more to these things. for example, Dan winters in the supplied link on the expression of ancient Hebrew vocalizations..states that these vocalizations being that of the exact patterning of the expression of vortex energy....this energy occurs in the brain like a fractal 3-d blooming of a vortex, like smoke or trails off the end of a wing of a plane or smoke curling about. so the voice and energies in the head expressing as repeated 3-d unfolding energy patterns and the closest to the true state of energetic dimensional expression...is when the original Hebrew vocalizations occur in the human mind. this branches off into the whole Sumarian Enki thing of adding in annunaki genetics to the hominids of the time and creating a 'chosen' group of kiddies he liked and cared for..., which Enlil tried to wipe out.


Now, the universe could be considered, in all it's multi-dimensional glory..as being vortexes of energy, both in and out, in near perfect balance and oscillation.

Ie, a 2-d oscillating field of energy meeting another 2-d field of oscillating energy..and thus at their juncture or meeting point, forming a vortex of energy, both in and out (in near perfect balance) and those vortexes describing our individual 3-d particles, in time ,as time occurs as a function of our our observation point being 'across' the individual particles. Ie, 3-d reality being like slipping around on a bunch of spinning micro-balls. Our point of observation being our 'take' on 3-d reality.

Thus.... purposely adding vibration into the vortexes...trips the energies into specific shapes and patterns of energy accumulation, or release. ie dimensional shifting of energies, in this dimension to other vortexes in this dimension (particles in atomic structure) or from this dimension to another or out of other dimensions into this one. thus, the chanting, singing, etc.

You have Victor Shauberger, Johnathan Whorl Keeley, and Edward at the choral castle, John Hutchison's experiments..and Egyptian's making the pyramid(s). All suspected of being vibrational energy releasing of spinning vortex energies. (anti-gravity, etc) Same for Tesla, and all known or suspected 'over unity' devices.

Then the 'ohm' chant of the Buddhists. and the Buddhists signing/chanting in groups, directed energies to move rocks (levitate) and make their monasteries (look that one up!). And much more.

Now, the planet Uranus is considered to be the planet of 'humanity' as a group, in some given thinking surrounding the astrological influences.

Now, when you spin a bar magnet on it's end, you create a vortex of energy around the axis of flow/motion. Something not well known is that in early dynamo or DC motor design they used to have 'dynamo pits' where dynamos were tested. In those tests, sometimes the dynamo would start spinning to such extreme speeds that they'd levitate (100krpm)and explode. thus the need for dynamo pits.In the act of fixing that aspect, they threw away their best over unity designs. As well, when you spin a magnet motor of that type up to speed, and then slam it to a stop and start it again immediately, it takes 10% less power to get to the max speed again than if you had waited 2 seconds (approximately) before starting it again. (this is not a thermal thing) As well, a horizontal gas motor is 10% more efficient than a vertical gas motor. This is all due to the unseen aetheric vortex energies.

Pay attention to anomalies in science, those are the dark corners where all is explained, through the doorway of the anomaly itself. Physics is absolutely loaded with them, to the tune of hundred of examples if you search them out. This gas motor thing is due to gravity being a 'polarized, spin oriented- gradient field' (changes in value in height from surface). And so on.

John Searl, for example, used spinning magnet systems to gate dimensional or gravitational and thus temporal energies. Magnet motors are common in the over-unity field of research. It's all about the manipulation of the fluid vortex fields of electromagnetic/electrostatic/electrogravitic space.

In the case of the expression of the planet Uranus with respect to the energies in the solar system, it creates a schism or shearing of vortex energies..that is the electrical and vibrational expression of the solar system as a group. It is in motion against the prevailing fields that are expressed as holding and connecting the solar system together. This spinning vortex thing is what the Nazi scientists used in the 'Nazi bell' experiments to 'charge up' their complex molecular structures (red mercury) (look into alchemy-powders consumed for mental and physical human dimensional shifting) so they could then be popped like a balloon and snap to a lower energy state and thus create humongous explosions and energetic release, that has no radiation signature. This leads down the dulles, cia, FED, Nazi faction story, and 9/11 , mini nukes, nano explosives etc, whatever..and also leads to their understanding for dimensional doorways, underground bases, moon/mars bases, and Nazi UFO's in space, traveling though time. Ouch. Nasty thought there.

Thus, in over unity and or dimensional gating terms , it is possible to see it, the planet Uranus.... as a 'dimensional gating system'. Or doorway.

What does this have to do with Dolores? Well, we are talking about 'crunch time' in human awareness..as all these things are coming to a head, to some degree or another. And her story and her information does definitely fit into this whole thing. In the exact ways possible, well, that is for people to individually decide. The more information we have to work with, the better off we are. Hopefully. Her story and her works would come along down the planetary karmic wheel Uranus, whatever- end of things, if there is any plausibility to what I say here, at all.

If one is waiting for lightening to strike, first all the forces have to gather together and then align... to complete the action. In some ways, as above, so below, so the pattern of lighting can be seen to emerge in some fashion into these events which seem to be aligning with one another. Sooner or later, the energies commit to action, the lightening strike begins to occur, we begin to see the strike... and begin hear the boom. And this is happening in the human world of time and 3-d fairly slowly..as it always does, as our impression of such things go. But it does seem to be taking shape.

Anything that encompasses all -requires some aspect of all encompassing recognition in the individual, in order to have the individual see the shape of it. The pattern is big, the pattern is complex, and it is slow moving, to us.

There is more, much more...of course, but that is all I have time to tippity-tap on the keyboard, for now.

[Snowbird]

Not necessarily when seen from a higher perspective (level). :tape2: ;)

Dan, the key word here is reincarnate. :angel:

[MariaDine]

New interview of Dolores Cannon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8WRfVxkjxU&feature=player_embedded#!

[peterspm]

from: Aren't we all being manipulated? Come on guys!

that was my first question when i saw the title of this thread.