Possible Boston Marathon Bombing Cover-Up Scenario [Archive]

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 04:58

This was posted in another thread. I just want to air it out here and give it some room to breath in it's own thread.

:)

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UPDATE: Apparently new details have emerged on who the mystery operatives were. They're not from Craft International, but some type of (WMD?) CST's from the National Guard. So, instead of editing all the posts ... Just replace "Craft International" with "CST personnel" and "hired" with "called in". I still wonder what's in their bags. Equipment of some kind. Compiling/sifting/digging good links ....

Alright. I think this is the most plausible explanation. I also think this is why all the media outlets and officials are worried.

The biggest story (other than the tragedy of lost lives and limbs) is that personnel from the Craft were there, and that there were rumors of bomb drills (or bomb squad activities) being conducted around the event. I don't think it's because it was a false flag (just keep reading, it's not outside the realm of possibility). Well, maybe it could have been, but all factions and authorities in a multi-tiered government aren't all on the same page. Especially with an extremely large and compartmentalized government where corruption is intertwined through it's very fabric.

Not all people that work for the government are corrupt though (proportionally speaking). Actually, it's probably only a very powerful few at the top that are truly corrupt with a lower level hierarchy of carefully placed useful idiots and twisted minions trickling down the structure of the system. I've come across many police that are flat out goons, but I've also met some respectable peace officers.

It's looking increasingly likely that this is indeed a coverup. I think Mike Adams and Alex Jones are a tad off base. They're on the right trail, but their focus is shifted and stuck a little too deep in conspiracy to be honest. No disrespect to them, Alex has done great work, but let's just take a breath and a step back to analyze some things.

Here are some of the pictures out there of the Craft personnel. From what I can tell, at least four of them have these backpacks (see end of post).

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg

These guys where definitely there. Observing.

This next one is especially important.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg

What he is holding in his hand is a radiation detector. Used to detect any radiation, like the kind that would emanate from nuclear weapons or a myriad of other types of bombs (unfortunately, not the pressure cooker).

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Radiation_Detector.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Radiation-Alert-Ionizing-Detector-Geiger-Counter-X-Rays-Home-Office-War-Nuclear-/t/Radiation-Alert-Ionizing-Detector-Geiger-Counter-X-Rays-Home-Office-Nuclear-War-/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/$(KGrHqNHJC0E-P7m8qEBBPwGGKN7Sg~~60_1.JPG

These men were hired for security measures. The authorities probably did receive a tip that there could be a bombing, or they at least received intelligence about a bomb threat. So, the city authorities beefed up security under the guise of performing drills (for increased readiness, just in case) and they hired Craft.

A threat may have been made, or the authorities may have received a tip about a possible bombing. Therefore, they beefed up security. Instead of informing the public (which they probably rarely do, if ever), they found it prudent to conduct a drill surrounding the event. In this way, they could be better prepared against countering such a threat -- increased readiness.

Obviously, it didn't work out if that was the case. Yet, it could account for the increased security.

The city may have even hired the personnel from Craft for added security measures. I do think it's strange that they were there though, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities considering the aforementioned scenario.

If they did have prior knowledge of a bombing, you bet they'd try to cover it up. If this thing could have been avoided and people find out, there would undoubtedly be outrage and public officials would share accountability. They tend to keep things like this from the public because it would weaken the public perception of their projected power and system of control.

They like keeping secrets, which leaves us guessing within a wide range of "what if" scenarios.

Freshly after the Sandy Hook incident, many are happy to color the secrecy with false flag conspiracies. This may or may not be the case. What I'm more sure of than anything is that the gov't won't let this crisis go to waste. Whether they're behind it or not.

This is the story I think. Imagine the public outcry if we learned that the authorities knew that an attack was possible because they received or had prior knowledge of a threat. They obviously took the threat seriously enough to enact these dramatic security measures.

Why would the media and public officials deny something as obvious as the presence of Craft operatives in addition to the same day bomb drills? To protect themselves from public scrutiny. The pieces fit. If it comes out that they knew this could've have happened, and thereby been avoided, then they would have to share accountability. This is a big deal.

Even if it was some sort of false flag operation, it was beyond the general awareness of the local authorities and the Craft operatives.

That's why they are scared, because they may face the prospect of sharing responsibility if it comes out that this could have been avoided by calling off the event. They played a risky hand, and tried to hedge their bet with the bomb drills, Craft personnel, and overall increased security. They bet wrong.

This is the cover-up. All the talk of false flags will resume, but I think if that was the case, it came from much higher up. I doubt the Craft men and the regular, lower level officials of the BPD were "in on it".

Again, the gov't doesn't like a crisis to go to waste. They'll exploit anything they can to increase their power and control. They'll sure as hell do anything they can to place the blame as far away from them as they can. In this case though, they may be close to having to share some accountability for this tragic event.

The FBI and DHS may also be trying to cover up the incompetence as well. Hence all the confusion, and the neglect of such apparent facts. Heck, the FBI could've been the one that tipped off authorities of a potential bomb threat (we know that the FBI has fostered terrorist plots in order to flush out potentials, this could've been a botched op, idk).

EDIT/ADD:

Considering the false flag scenario ... The biggest question in my mind is: Why wasn't the event cancelled if the threat was serious enough to require such security measures?

If there was this much added security surrounding the event, it's not outside the range of possibility that some official/authority advised canceling the event.

It didn't get cancelled though. So, whoever it was that pressed for the event to ensue, then that is good reason to think that they were receiving orders from higher up to allow the event to continue in the face of the evidence that it should've been cancelled, or they are just negligent and made an extremely stupid decision. That, or they had knowledge that the bomb would indeed go off and it was to be allowed (this would indeed be sad). Of course, they wouldn't admit to any of these possible cases. All are indeed cover-up worthy.

An irritated police official/authority had to follow pecking orders and allow the event to continue in the face of a credible threat and against their better judgement. So, they heavily increased security, conducted bomb drills surrounding the event, and hired Craft because the threat was so serious and yet they were instructed to allow the event to continue for whatever reason.

That makes the most sense to me considering the information that's available.

Cover-up. This is serious. This is a reason for them to be scared. In this case, you could be damn certain that the "higher ups" in the DHS and FBI wouldn't want these dots connected (especially if the FBI helped foster the plot somehow, which they've been known to do (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)).

I'm sure that there are many threats around major events, but this one ... this one in particular was serious enough for all these measures. Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

Just like the events of 9/11 were "allowed" to take place by ignoring the files supporting the evidence of high-jackers training to fly planes into buildings (setting aside all of the other inconstancies with the official story). Prior knowledge: negligence, incompetence, complicity? I don't know.

Why should the gov't avert a crisis, when it can be used to their advantage somehow, to further an agenda? They tend to exploit a crisis and squeeze out all kinds of legislation fueled by an aftermath of manipulative, emotional rhetoric (yes, we have hearts but we also have rights).

In these kinds of cases, there's a fine line between incompetence and complicity.

Whoever ordered the event to continue is who we need to look at. Them and whoever pressured them to make that call. Then we can better judge if they were complicit or just plain incompetent. The former would indicate a false flag and the latter ... somebody could get either indicted, fired, or both.

I hope they catch the person who planted the bomb (they odds are probably stacked against him, suspects were found pretty quick and the story isn't adding up), but these questions need to be addressed as well.

Yes, this is all speculation. When everything is shrouded in secrecy, confusion, and suspicion ... what do you expect?

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http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/upload/file/products_lg_2ndline.jpg http://www.specialforces.com/image/data/standard/STEBB.jpg

MORE ON THE BACKPACKS: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Maraton-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663781&viewfull=1#post663781

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UPDATE ON THE BACKPACKS:

http://www.domesticpreparedness.com/userfiles//images/client%20images/bruker_prtusbckpck11.jpg

Radiation detection backpacks are units designed for executing covert searches for gamma-emitting (and in some cases neutron-emitting) radioactive materials. The unit’s detector and associated electronics are hidden inside a backpack, allowing the operator to inconspicuously search public areas. Emergency responders can use these backpacks to locate and secure radioactive materials that were placed in a public or private area.

More here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=664907&viewfull=1#post664907

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UPDATE ON THE CST CREW:

Excerpts from the PDF, US Department of Justice: Planning and Managing Security For Major Special Events:

Placement of assessment teams inside the venue has become standard procedure for major special events managed by federal agencies. Joint Hazardous Materials Assessment Teams (JHAT) and Joint Hazardous Explosive Response Teams (JHERT) have been developed for response to reported hazmat and explosive threats or incident in and around the venues. The JHATs and JHERTs consist of experienced personnel from different disciplines and levels of government, co-located in a single discreet response vehicle, ATV, or in a walking unit. The JHATs and JHERTs provide the incident commander a low-profile team that can unobtrusively assess the need for further specialized assets, allowing those valuable assets to remain available for actual incidents. Depending on the need for high level security at the event, a Bomb Management Center (BMC) may be part of the assessment team process. The BMC oversees the response of all explosive-related assets to include the coordinated response of the JHERT.

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The local agency providing primary hazmat response in the community, typically the fire department, fills a position in the JHAT, and the last position in the JHAT may be either state/local law enforcement hazmat, or state national guard civil support team personnel. The JHAT also carries a basic detection and monitoring capability.

Source: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e07071299_web.pdf&chrome=true

So, it's not unusual to have those men there. In light of the above information, the suspicion cast upon the warranting of such a crew at this event is no longer conspiracy worthy. It's standard protocol to have them there. Also, the fact that JHATs operate as a "low-profile team" to make "unobtrusive" assessments with "basic detection and monitoring capability" further supports the evidence that the backpacks were bomb detection equipment.

The only thing left unanswered is about the suspects, suspicion about the FBI fostering terrorist plots, and this Saudi National. Which, to be honest, Glenn Beck's sources may be feeding him disinformation in attempts to smear his credibility.

Somebody "up top" may have known this would've/could've happened, but it won't be proved by the presence of the CST.

The gov't won't let this crisis go to waste and rumors/news of fresh legislation are already emerging in the wake of this event.

InCiDeR

19th April 2013, 05:48

This information makes more sense to me than Navy Seals... so far that is! Thank you vivek for sharing!

I've been somewhat suspicious about this so called "False Flag"-event that alternative media (infowars) is building. I felt that it was to easy to come up with pictures, video and proof of such an event. Think about it... how long did it take before alternative media had all the pictures they needed to claim this is a "False Flag"-event?

How long does it usually take to find "proof" of such an operation... if ever?

Why should they do a "False Flag"-event that are so easy to capture on cell phones, surveillance cameras, videos and seen by so many witness they have no means to control? The power we up against are much smarter than this and more delicate in my opinion.

Maybe one "bonus target" is something different all together... namely the alternative media and especially Alex Jones. What would happen with the credits of alternative media, (and Alex Jones), if this is shown without a doubt to be wrong speculations of a false flag operation? I also read that GLP now seems to have a campaign against Alex Jones... a mere coincidence?

The focus on this matter also makes me wonder what they want us to NOT look at. The explosion at the fertilizer factory? The new internet restrictions?... or something else entirely?

It still might be a false flag, but not the obvious one that infowars presented, it was to easy to catch in my opinion!

EDIT: I also wonder about the source of the pictures that now flooding the alternative media... a setup?

naste.de.lumina

19th April 2013, 11:06

Hello friends.
False flag or not, the fact is:
If not for the media alternative, the photos of the agents of the company's safety Craft never be exposed.
A lie biased with good intention does not cease to be a lie.
When lies are the rule, misinformation and confusion are necessary to protect the lie, thus creating a monster that feeds itself.
Then we come to the conclusion that the truth is less important here.
Does matter, for these individuals, take the tail of the line when it happens them some crap, and win the laurels when it happens.
Vivek, his reasoning makes sense to me.
Peace
Wander brazilian.

Prodigal Son

19th April 2013, 11:58

Does anyone know how long ago the drills were planned and/or conveyed by law enforcement officials to the field officers? That would give us a clue as to who knew what and when and then why they let the event take place.

To me, the conspiracy aspect just comes naturally since every one of these incidents seems to come packaged with a drill that exactly simulates what ends up going down. As 911 demonstrated, it is what caused our defenses to be let down on the lower levels.

golden lady

19th April 2013, 12:30

As always more questions than answers!
If we go with Viveks explanation, which I think is very valid. 1) They are not very good at their job of protecting the public.
2) Who would plant the bombs and why?
In the days of the IRA at least they a, phoned ahead and gave warning and b) owned up.
To plant bombs and then remain anonymous I just don't understand. The agenda would remain unknown.

Could it be there is an 'in house ' power struggle?

Wind

19th April 2013, 12:50

Could it be there is an 'in house ' power struggle?

That is a good and a interesting theory. I don't think that there is just one "Illuminati". I think that there are multiple factions who are trying to control the world and they are constantly competing, they're not friends at all. Perhaps some of the groups are more scientific in nature and others are religious like the catholic church. The only thing they have in common is the their greed for power.

Prodigal Son

19th April 2013, 13:05

That is a good and a interesting theory. I don't think that there is just one "Illuminati". I think that there are multiple factions who are trying to control the world and they are constantly competing, they're not friends at all. Perhaps some of the groups are more scientific in nature and others are religious like the catholic church. The only thing they have in common is the their greed for power.
Excellent observation and right on the money. Perhaps these clowns calling themselves "Illuminati" are playing a deception game to direct heat at their enemies.

Darkness wants NOTHING to do with light. The concepts of Illuminism/Gnosticism are diametrically opposed to the agenda of the Globalist elite and keeping the masses enslaved. It is opposed to oligarchies, monarchies, or any type of two-class "elite" system with subjugates/subordinates/slaves. Everyone is equal and advancement/leadership is based on merit, not inheritance.

naste.de.lumina

19th April 2013, 13:12

Hello Wind.
The text below describes the war going on between the factions of the archons for dominance and enslavement of the human race.
It is a personal matter ponder, criticize, believe or discard.
Just trying to help.
Peace
Wander Brazilian

The Anunnaki Chess Tournament

by

Amitakh Stanford

(Republished from the Nara site)

14th June 2006

The alien wars are now apparent to Those who are familiar with my other postings. Things are now moving rapidly to the alien wars are much more transparent than in the past. Whether directly or Indirectly, these que alien wars are being fought on Earth Affect the lives of all people on the planet. As I have said many times, humans are pawns in the alien wars. The "unseen" forces behind world affairs are not even Suspected by the Majority of the people.

Some of the alien battles are contested in physical events que would seem mundane to even the most astute observers. They can Occur on television programs' in sporting events, entertainment events, political gatherings, social affairs, religious celebrations etc.. The Reptilians and the Vulturites are in the midst of the equivalent of an endgame situation of a chess match.

One of Their most recent clashes Involved que a very serious battle took place at the World Cup soccer match in Kaiserslautern, Germany, between Japan and Australia. Oddly, Both countries are politically under Vulturite influence for the time being - that is, two Vulturite factions were engaged in the competition. On the physical level, it Appeared to be an ordinary, competitive soccer event. On the energy level, it was very different.

The Reptilians chose this particular match to make a stand against the Vulturites. When the Vulturites of realized this was going on, They assisted Japan with a questionable goal que kept the smug Vulturites is Nearly the entire game. In the last six or so minutes of the match, the Reptilians stepped in to make an emphatic show of power. The Vulturites were helpless to the Reptilian-assisted Australian team slammed in goal after goal after goal Within the final six minutes and soared to a stunning, come-from-behind victory. On the physical level, the victory took Both Australia and Japan by surprise. Few of the human participants or spectators had any idea of what was going on or how the tide had shifted so suddenly. This does not mean any more que of the upcoming World Cup games are Significant to the aliens. They can select any forum for Their battlefields.

The Reptilians wanted to show the que Vulturites, without any doubt, They are the power behind world affairs. If They had come in earlier, it would not have been so dramatic and would not have had the same effect. The Vulturites are intimidated by this loss. It is the Reptilians' way of telling the Vulturites que They are about to take over the country of Australia.

It is no co-incidence que simultaneously the opposition party in Australia Began steamrolling over the government on the issue of the recently passed Workplace Relations Amendment (WorkChoices) Act 2005. The Vulturites plan to Impose draconian Measures to quell the civil unrest that is stirring underneath. More and more workers are responding angrily to the new law, Which Has Caused many unjustified sackings of loyal workers. Some people are forced to take pay cuts, lose benefits, and working conditions worsened accept or lose Their jobs. Many who are over forty years of age are being Told They are que Liabilities and are being sacked for que reason alone. The Vulturites are smugly Australian forcing the workers into a corner. This is their plan. The Reptilians have chosen this issue for Their knockout counterpunch.

The Reptilians took the opportunity of the recent Australian soccer victory to put forward a major thrust to have the Act repealed WorkChoices if the Labour Party (the opposition party) wins the next federal election. At The Same Team, the Reptilians are Promoting the liquor never before in Australia. Young people are Encouraged to see consuming alcohol to the "in" thing to do. The Reptilians have subliminally programmed massive alcohol consumption in the Australian population at large.

Throughout history, aliens have influenced human colonists of new worlds to disadvantage native inhabitants by Introducing Them to alcohol. Now, The Same tactic is being used by the aliens to disadvantage the General Populations of the world. Australians, Particularly young Australians, are now being Encouraged to indulge in alcohol and other drugs frequently and excessively. The pubs and nightclubs are Becoming the "in" places for the young people.

The Reptilians are Also pushing for new drugs amongst the younger population. Many types of crimes have Increased que are directly linked with alcohol and drugs. People are Becoming numb to these social problems.

Television is Promoting drinking amongst young people. More and more young people are drinking outside in order to be accepted the cool and successful. Holiday travels more frequently include stopovers winery for wine tasting and alcohol promotion. Drinking is Becoming a more and more socially accepted activity. The aliens want to weaken the entire human race now through indulgence in alcohol. What the colonists did to the native peoples will soon be happening to humans at large - They will be weakened.

While Australians were celebrating Their soccer victory, the Reptilians were subliminally programming Them to drink in excess. Television commentators all around the nation were prompting people to celebrate the victory with many drinks.

Those who drink large Amounts of caffeine are likewise in danger of falling into similar traps to Those Who are consuming alcohol. The higher the caffeine content, the more drastic the effects will be. It can cause serious effects on the body, such as weakening the immune system and the mind. All this will make it easier for humans to be controlled, and, Ultimately, eliminated. The stronger the coffee, the easier it is for the aliens to hide the programming effects in it.

At this time, the highways in Australia are under severe attack from alien programming to draw people. This will Encourage Them to stop at the appointed rest areas, where They Will be sitting ducks for alien manipulation and swap-overs. Incidentally, many people will Increase Their consumption of caffeine in order to stay awake while driving long distances, and They will be even more "sedated" by the alien programming.

The migration of people around the country, Which is part of the alien agenda has already started in Australia. People are now programmed or "forced" to move long or short distances due to work or health-related issues. Many are being re-located into Certain towns or cities for easier control of the population. It is easier for the aliens to control "Civilians" by concentrating Them in population centers. The aliens have already mapped October what type of people in Which They want areas. The first stage has started. The aliens have already numbered and categorized people.

Bear in mind the Reptilians and the que Vulturites Both have Their own individual agendas, so the alien plans have various underpinnings. Humans are the pawns.

The Reptilians have Waited patiently and watched the Vulturites Carried October the dirty work for international Them (alien-united under the plan) in Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia, East Timor and other places. Indonesia is in a strategic position in the plan due to its connections with other neighboring countries, Especially Australia and Malaysia.

Domestically, the Vulturites have done the dirty job of stripping ordinary Australians of guns and other weapons, and restricting Them with mountains of legislation que strip Them of rights and liberty. The Reptilians are now stepping in to take over the nation. With The America Within the sleeping population of Australia there exist pockets of courageous, dedicated Opponents who, with a little bit of external help, Could actually foil the alien plans.

There will be power shifts to and from various countries to suit the aliens. Consciousnesses will be moving around. Many Reptilian consciousnesses currently in Europe, the Middle East (including Israel) and other parts of the world will be re-locating to China before the year is over. America and Israel will decline to the power shifts.

If humans Could awaken and see through the alien manipulations, cease fighting one another and work together to resist the aliens, then it would be a different story for the Earth. But, this can not be because there will always be humans who will betray other humans is self-interest. Besides, people can not tell who are the aliens in human bodies and who are the humans who are really humans. Therefore, humans can resist only on the individual level the best They can.

Ultimately, there is a twist coming.

© 2006 Amitakh Stanford & AHSAF

Xee-A Twelve Home Page

RMorgan

19th April 2013, 13:54

Hey Vivek,

Very probably, there wasn´t any real drill.

Probably, someone called the police talking about a possible bomb and they deployed squads and personnel to verify the authenticity of the threat, disguising the operation as a drill to avoid alarming the public and disrupting the event.

From this perspective, I don´t judge them for not disrupting the event immediately after receiving the intel about a possible bomb attack.

It is the USA, the most hated country in the world; The police probably receives bomb threats on a daily basis, most part of them being fake threats. They can´t just go and shut down every major event because there may or may not be a real bomb there. However, they are obliged to verify every single threat, like they were doing in Boston.

Someone made the wrong call in this case; There really was a bomb. However, there´s a lot of political pressures behind such decisions. Who was responsible for making this ultimate decision, to evacuate or not? The Mayor? Someone inside the police? The FBI?

What would happen to the man in charge of making such decisions if he had chosen to evacuate the whole area and no real bomb threat was detected later on? The politicians and the press would be all over him and his career would be over.

In my opinion, what they are really trying to cover up is the identity of this man, the guy who made the wrong call. He´s probably someone big; If he was a small fish, they would just throw him to the sharks.

Anyway, it´s not easy to make such decisions...We´re humans and we make mistakes. There´s a lot of variables involved.

Raf.

Operator

19th April 2013, 14:44

Well, there are several scenario's possible. It's set up that way. It will keep the truth-seekers fighting with each other.

The ongoing drills are often an excuse in case guys in 'operational' gear show up in 'uncontrolled' footage since there are
now a lot of personally owned camera's out there. They plan it in such a way that there are multiple parties on the scene.
An operation can be carried out in a variety of ways, depending on the development of situations. These operations have
a director just like on a movie set.

One of the parties present is the patsy group. They will make sure there is sufficient footage to put the blame on them
might it become necessary. Another party is the cleanup team. Also dressed as officials so they can easily enter each
area to remove any evidence that could make a case. Last but not least there is even a party present to 'distract' attention
away might that be necessary.

I have seen no 'evidence' yet this was a false flag operation. But if it was really carried out by a lone nut it would really take
weeks to find someone if they would find someone at all. The news that they already killed one of two brothers sounds fishy
to me (dead men tell no tales). Making a good functioning improvised claymore mine takes skills and practice ... done by a
couple of youngsters? Hmm, I don't know.

Hervé

19th April 2013, 14:48

These pictures should settle some of the speculations:

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/before-blast.jpg

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg
Marathon clocks display: 4:11:40

I watched some vids with the time clock in it. First one [explosion] at 4.09.44 and second 4.10.12. at the same place.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Boston_Finish_Line.jpg

For larger resolution pictures see: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craftinternational17apr13.shtml

etheric underground

19th April 2013, 16:03

No matter who is right innocent people are getting killed in the crossfire....nothing is ever what it seems.
Lets utilise our energy on creating positive change and not waste it on what IF scenarios.

golden lady

19th April 2013, 16:11

Over on educate yourself website Scott Creighton reports that former navy seal, Chris Kyle, founder of Craft international was very recently ( feb 2 nd 2013 ) killed in a 'shooting incident' at his own range in Glenrose Texas.
1) military types seen with Craft logo hats on in Boston??
2) Glenrose Texas seems to be not too far from West in Texas ??
All seems rather strange to me!

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 16:12

These pictures should settle some of the speculations:

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg

Alright, so those men still had their backpacks on after the explosion. Cool.

Bomb dismantling equipment could have fit in their backpacks.

The backpacks could've contained a hook & line kit.

http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1054871294/MK4-Hook-and-Line-Kit.jpg

It could've been a bomb technician kit a little smaller than this (heck, I think this size of a kit could be squeezed into one of those backpacks).

http://cdn3.stanleysupplyservices.com/images/p/jtk-73ftcp.01_s500_p1._Vc55de90a_.jpg

Often times, hook & line kits are prepackaged and custom made for backpacks.

http://www.fieldforensics.com/images/products/hollywood-backpack.jpg

http://www.specialforces.com/image/cache/data/standard/SOEODintegration-180x180.jpg

It didn't have to be a hook & line kit either. There are all purpose, general tool kits for backpacks used by bomb technicians.

http://www.idealblasting.com/images/products/detail/hookandlinekit.jpg

http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/upload/file/products_lg_2ndline.jpg

http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/upload/image/gallery/lg/2nd_Line_8969_LG.jpg

There could have been some sort of custom kits in those backpacks. Any kind.

More descriptions here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Maraton-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663781&viewfull=1#post663781

Selene

19th April 2013, 16:24

'Bomb dismantling' can also be 'bomb setting' equipment, Vivek. Have you ever actually seen an urban bomb squad in action? I have. They arrive in reinforced tanks - wear hazmat suits and use robots, not briefcases. :rolleyes: I don't mean to disparage your well-intended research, but, onward:

From here, the presence of these Craft people still presents a real problem for me. Public events like the Boston Marathon are normally secured by the public police services. If private security of any kind was indeed hired as well, that fact should be easily confirmed by the event’s organizers, no? Who paid for this private security: the event or the taxpayer? That should be a matter of record or fair inquiry.

If these ‘uniformly dressed individuals’ at the marathon (and other photos on, I think David Icke’s site establish that Craft employees wear the identical costume right down to the shoes) are – for some bizarre statistical reason – not a “private security group” hired by “someone/the organizers/police”, then who the hell are they and what exactly were they doing there?

I, for one, would like an answer to that.

If we take as a given for purposes of this discussion that the two suspects are patsies, ergo the usual script is being followed so far: then they must both end up dead and speak no tales. At this hour, one down, one to go.

n.b. The notable exception here proves the rule: Holmes, the Aurora patsy, was easily captured but clearly so mind-controlled that he is prepared to plead guilty to all charges without standing trial. In other words, this formerly brilliant graduate student has been transformed into a certified nutcase… Master Sgt. Kelly Meghan has reported that she was threatened with incarceration in a mental hospital if she persisted in whistleblowing about chemtrail chemicals on Air Force bases, so they certainly also use “we’ll claim you are crazy” as a control tactic. If they get this 2nd guy alive, they’ve have him drooling and incoherent within hours, you betcha.

So, thus far, all the elements are still playing out a false flag scenario. It still cannot be excluded, and ‘a bunch of inept dummos in the police who had intel and who should not have allowed the race to continue..’ argument looks a bit thin, especially in the light of the outsized and well-organized paramiltary lockdown response currently in operation in Boston. With respects, Vivek and others, though I thoroughly support your efforts to question all the angles here and I hope you will continue to do so. We should not be leaping to conclusions but carefully following the trail of evidence.

Regards,

Selene

Maia Gabrial

19th April 2013, 16:25

I participated in a Disaster Drill once years ago (when i was younger). You have to understand that they really try to make these drills as realistic as possible. We were asked to dress the part. They even told us to wail and grunt and groan real loudy just to make our "injuries" seem more real. I had to pretend to be an extremely injured and unconscious victim. I had my list of symptoms on a piece of paper on my chest, so that once I got to a real hospital participating in the drill, the emergency people had to figure out what was wrong with me. It was funny how they'd ask me questions and all I could do was hold up a sign that said "Unconscious".....Believe me, it's spooky how these drills go.... I was thankful that I wasn't injured like the victim I played!

So, don't you think that having all these people from all these agencies around for this drill adds to the realism? I mean, they have to know what to do as their part in this kind of disaster, right? What I don't want to accept is that Lamestream is representing this drill as the real thing.... Why would they lie about this? Isn't there enough stuff to report on that they don't have to reduce their credibility this way?

These days there's so much technology and stuff available that can make these drills seem even more realistic; especially to someone whose watching from the sidelines, unaware of what's really going on. An explosion off to the side will make it real to the everyone. With people all decked out in "bloodied" clothing, blood splattered everywhere on the ground, people being carted off in wheelchairs AND even with painful looks on their faces, all add to the realism.... Make no mistakes about it this was not the real thing....

My verdict is that this was just a drill.....

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 16:35

From here, the presence of these Craft people still presents a real problem for me. Public events like the Boston Marathon are normally secured by the public police services. If private security of any kind was indeed hired as well, that fact should be easily confirmed by the event’s organizers, no? Who paid for this private security: the event or the taxpayer? That should be a matter of record or fair inquiry.

That's what I'm saying. They were hired and it was most likely by the city or whoever else had a hand in organizing the event. Somebody was concerned enough to have them there as security.

If these ‘uniformly dressed individuals’ at the marathon (and other photos on, I think David Icke’s site establish that Craft employees wear the identical costume right down to the shoes) are – for some bizarre statistical reason – not a “private security group” hired by “someone/the organizers/police”, then who the hell are they and what exactly were they doing there?

They are basically a private security group. They can be contracted by the gov't for "security (PSD/Facility Security)" as is stated on this page of their website: http://www.thecraft.com/contracting.html

Considering the situation and the backpacks/radiation detector, I think it's very possible that these guys were hired to find/dismantle a bomb. They are most likely bomb technicians.

Selene

19th April 2013, 16:42

Exactly my question, Vivek: If someone hired them as private security, then whom? And who paid their fees?

This ought to be a matter of record somewhere.

golden lady

19th April 2013, 17:12

I see from crafts website you can buy their gear, including hats!!

Hervé

19th April 2013, 17:17

As a matter of empirical datum...

... check that bomb squad individual in full green gears on the left-hand side of this picture:

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg

SilentFeathers

19th April 2013, 17:28

TargeT

19th April 2013, 18:57

Considering the situation and the backpacks/radiation detector, I think it's very possible that these guys were hired to find/dismantle a bomb. They are most likely bomb technicians.

I agree that they are special military type security contractors, likely hired through Homeland Security, IMO. I personally doubt that they were there specifically to locate and dismantle a bomb, I think perhaps they were there to spot/detect suspicious persons and objects, as enhanced security. Once an object was located perhaps they'd inspect but I think these guys would call in another unit to remove the object, I personally don't think these guys were dressed and or "geared to take it further than detection and securing/evacuating a certain area.
But that's just my opinion.

I've worked with a lot of EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) crews, you never see them dressed under cover or out of "the suit" when dealing with suspected devices, in-fact even the hint of a device causes the area to be cordoned off and an inspection of the area... since there is no real way to detect bombs (the radiation reader in that picture is highly suspect.. I doubt that's what the device was though I suppose it's possible).

This is what it looks like when a suspected bomb is investigated:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/14/article-2101155-11BB557B000005DC-364_634x532.jpg

Now that doesn't really prove anything, I think it's very un likely that these are "bomb disposal" or "detection" individuals; but probably augmented security or perhaps drill participants of some sort (they could be evaluating how the locals are dealing with the drill etc).

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 19:29

Considering the situation and the backpacks/radiation detector, I think it's very possible that these guys were hired to find/dismantle a bomb. They are most likely bomb technicians.

I agree that they are special military type security contractors, likely hired through Homeland Security, IMO. I personally doubt that they were there specifically to locate and dismantle a bomb, I think perhaps they were there to spot/detect suspicious persons and objects, as enhanced security. Once an object was located perhaps they'd inspect but I think these guys would call in another unit to remove the object, I personally don't think these guys were dressed and or "geared to take it further than detection and securing/evacuating a certain area.
But that's just my opinion.

Hola compadre,

I thought they may just be there for enhanced security alone too, but consider this.

None of them can be seen with any weapons in any pictures. No guns, no batons, no pepper spray, no handcuffs. Zilch.

Now, maybe some of those things were in the backpack. That seems like an inconvenient place to put such items if you were hired just to be an alert security guard.

Which is why, considering the context clues and all of the other available information, I think it's more likely that the backpacks contain equipment that a bomb technician would use. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Maraton-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663664&viewfull=1#post663664)

Also, if they were hired to be low key and not raise any public concern, then it would make sense that they're not walking around in bomb protective suits.

They are special operatives that work for Craft International. We can definitely say that with extreme confidence. The other information points to them being some kind of bomb technicians (i.e. the backpacks, the radiation detectors, and the fact that they were actively working in an event where bombs actually went off).

Thanks,

Vivek

SilentFeathers

19th April 2013, 19:44

I agree you are "on to" something here Vivek, these guys are way out of place regardless.

They are special operatives that work for Craft International. We can definitely say that with extreme confidence. The other information points to them being some kind of bomb technicians (i.e. the backpacks, the radiation detectors, and the fact that they were actively working in an event where bombs actually went off).

What if they were expecting something else? ...and these "pressure cooker" bombers were a diversion so to speak, or totally unexpected?

I'm speculating big-time, but if these guys are who you say they are, which I think they are, it would almost seem they were hired perhaps due to a nuclear or biological type of threat. These backpacks contain bio suits and bio testing equipment too. It is strange they were quick to test for radiation too.

Somethings pretty fishy about this for sure.

On the other hand, were they involved in the actual bombing? I haven't seen one clue that any of them were hurt in the explosions and they all seemed to be right there where they went off......

ADDED: I also find it a bit suspicious that they basically shut down more than one city, calling everyone to stay inside etc., seems a bit like over-reacting for sure.....all because of one dude with a gun and maybe a crude gernade like bomb??????

TargeT

19th April 2013, 19:55

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 19:58

I've worked with a lot of EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) crews, you never see them dressed under cover or out of "the suit" when dealing with suspected devices, in-fact even the hint of a device causes the area to be cordoned off and an inspection of the area... since there is no real way to detect bombs (the radiation reader in that picture is highly suspect.. I doubt that's what the device was though I suppose it's possible).

This is what it looks like when a suspected bomb is investigated:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/14/article-2101155-11BB557B000005DC-364_634x532.jpg

Now that doesn't really prove anything, I think it's very un likely that these are "bomb disposal" or "detection" individuals; but probably augmented security or perhaps drill participants of some sort (they could be evaluating how the locals are dealing with the drill etc).

Good point. They didn't know where the bomb was though. It could be that they were all given some sort of standardized bomb technicians kit and the radiation detectors.

I've seen six of these guys in pictures so far. Consider if they were hired on the side for added security measures against a bomb threat.

What would be the minimum amount of equipment they would need? A radiation detector and some sort of convenient bomb technicians kit. They may have not known what kind of bomb it was or where it would be, they just knew that there was a bomb threat serious enough to warrant hiring them for added security measures.

I don't think these men would be in full gear (bomb suits) sweeping the area if they were supposed to attract little attention and not raise public concerns.

Let's say one of them discovered a bomb. They may call in back up, with all the heavy duty equipment. Yet, they may have just been carrying around the backpacks just in case the situation warranted immediate action (i.e. they couldn't clear the people fast enough, the situation couldn't wait for the backup, or any number of situations in which they'd be stuck without all the safety equipment necessary yet they needed to act).

These are private contractors, so maybe they are a little more flexible with safety protocols. They may be more willing to bend to the demands of whoever paid them to work the event.

They may have been bomb technicians that were there to lookout for suspicious activity/packages and the backpacks were the least prudent measures they could have while the main Boston PD Bomb Squad was on standby too. Just some thoughts.

Sidney

19th April 2013, 20:08

Lets not forget to factor in the facebook page for the "victims" that was created on the saturday BEFORE this event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4l9yK6vtCU

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 20:12

Lets not forget to factor in the facebook page for the "victims" that was created on the saturday BEFORE this event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4l9yK6vtCU

Hello,

This has already been discussed as unreliable. The title of a Facebook page can be changed days after it's created (under simple conditions).

From Facebook:

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How do I change my Page name?

You can only change the name of a Page with fewer than 200 likes. If your Page qualifies, follow these steps to change its name:

From the top of your Page, click Edit Page
Select Update Info
Change the text in the Name field and save your edits

You can't currently change the name of a Page with 200 or more likes.

Changing your Page's name does not affect its username or Page address. Learn more about changing your Page's username.

Source: http://www.facebook.com/help/271607792873806

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As long as there's less than 200 likes, the name can be changed to whatever anybody wants it to say.

Thanks,

Vivek

sheme

19th April 2013, 20:16

My intuition is not happy about this death of a terrorist stuff, I hope they take the youngster alive.

SilentFeathers

19th April 2013, 20:17

Alex Jones site claims these guys are seals or blackwater...(and craft) also

http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/punisher.jpg

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 20:19

the jackets they have on and all of them seemed to be a bit "bulky" around the waist is a clear indication (to me) of concealed weapons which meshes very well with their "undercover" dress.

also:
http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Two_Guys_Boston_Marathon.jpg

I have this same backpack the bottom left guy has on (if not the same, it's very very similar, the side compression straps, the top grab handle & side grab handle, everything about it looks the same as mine), it could carry maybe one of the smaller hook-line kits, but those are hardly useful in a street setting, it doesn't appear to be holding anything overly heavy & is maybe 13" thick from what it looks like & I wouldn't guess it has any weapons in it (usless there, too hard to get to). You could fit maybe a chem suit and a mask (but the mask would have to be out of its regular carry case and sorta crammed in there) for an NBC attack...

it seems to me like either lightly armed security, or observational "trainer" types... I've had these kind of instructers before deployment before, they would toss out artilery simulators randomly to see how people react then call out 5 or 6 random people and tell them they were dead or injured and we'd have to react further.

I agree that they probably are carrying some kind of pistol (i.e. underneath the jackets).

There are many types of bomb technicians kits from what I've looked at (there is even a standardized hook & line kit for urban settings, cars, etc (http://www.fieldforensics.com/bombsquad-gear.html#shl)). They can vary in size and it would be easy to customize one depending on the perceived requirements of the situation.

The backpack could have contained some variation of the following EOD tool kit offered by Tactical Electronics:

http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/upload/file/products_lg_2ndline.jpg

Here is a description of the kit from the website:

The EOD 2nd Line Tool Kit is designed to augment EOD and bomb technician’s RSP capabilities by providing a variety of essential tools. Its modular design allows the operator to customize the configuration based on the scenario. The kit incorporates removable components as well as provides room for additional equipment as required.

Source: http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/products/21/products/52/eod-tools/54/2nd-line-eod-tool-kit

The Craft personnel could have their own customized versions of such a kit. They could have been carrying them around as the least prudent measure if we consider that they were supposed to keep a low profile.

If this is the case, it points to the fact that the city found a threat serious enough to warrant such measures on top of their own police resources. So, why wasn't the event cancelled?

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 20:27

Alex Jones site claims these guys are seals or blackwater...(and craft) also

http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/punisher.jpg

They probably were or are in the armed forces. They were at the event as Craft personnel though.

Chris Kyle (former NAVY seal, died a while back) started Craft International (source (http://www.thecraft.com/AboutUs.html)).

Notice there is some marking on the forehead of the skull in the photo. Also, notice the writing on the back and the flag on the side. The skull is the Craft logo and it is based off of the seal team logo that Mr. Kyle was a part of (source (http://www.thecraft.com/craft_skull.html)).

http://americanlivewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/product358147.jpg

These men were there under honorable conditions -- trying to quell a bomb threat and squelch the possibility of any bombs detonating.

Unfortunately, the bomb threat manifested and people died/were seriously injured.

If anything, the attention needs to go to who allowed the event to continue if the threat was credible enough to warrant hiring such men on top of BPD enforcement/security.

Sirius White

19th April 2013, 20:28

The question simply comes down to this:

Who hired them?

And Why?

In this world, things are too complex to simply be gooberment conspiracies. The gooberment is merely an instrument, and even then which part, who , which faction? etc.

TargeT

19th April 2013, 20:32

if the case is that they were bomb tech.s then serious prior knowledge exsisted, this could be a case of a known incident allowed to happen, though that seems to lack the control factor that is displayed for things like this.

Maybe they set the bomb up themselfs and were monitoring the area to see if it was found? the prevalence of backpacks seems like a "cover" to me, not actual "tool kits", just from what I've heard with the "drill" and now people were not suppose to be allarmed by the backpacks, but that could have been something to cover these guys as well.. hard to say when your speculating from the internet :P

These men were there under honorable conditions -- trying to quench a bomb threat. Unfortunately, the bomb threat manifested and people died/were seriously injured.

If anything, the attention needs to go to who allowed the event to continue if the threat was credible enough to warrant hiring such men on top of BPD enforcement/security.

I'm not quick to judge a military contractor "honorable" by any means... Why aren't they still in service if their intent was honorable??

Erik Dean Prince (born June 6, 1969) is a former U.S. Navy SEAL notable for founding the world's largest private military company, Blackwater Worldwide, in 1997

Black Water was started in much the same way as "the craft" and we know they are anything but honorable... Let's not let that cloud possiblity.

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 20:45

These men were there under honorable conditions -- trying to quench a bomb threat. Unfortunately, the bomb threat manifested and people died/were seriously injured.

If anything, the attention needs to go to who allowed the event to continue if the threat was credible enough to warrant hiring such men on top of BPD enforcement/security.

I'm not quick to judge a military contractor "honorable" by any means... Why aren't they still in service if their intent was honorable??

Erik Dean Prince (born June 6, 1969) is a former U.S. Navy SEAL notable for founding the world's largest private military company, Blackwater Worldwide, in 1997

Black Water was started in much the same way as "the craft" and we know they are anything but honorable... Let's not let that cloud possiblity.

I'm not saying anything about any other contractors other than these men at this specific event. I think they were there under honorable conditions. That doesn't speak to Blackwater or any other conditions in which contractors such as these were hired in the past.

I'm not judging these men. I'm judging the situation based on the available information and I'm trying my best to discern what the facts are (and likely information that correlates with these facts) to make reasonable estimations of the truth in this matter. I've tossed aside precepts in favor of prospecting for the truth.

I don't know about the men in the photos. However, I do know that Chris Kyle (the founder of Craft International) was honorably discharged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle) from the Navy in 2009.

Operator

19th April 2013, 22:07

I don't think they were there for the bombs. Most likely a support team (eyes and ears) for the director.
You can see them getting instructions after the bombs went of. In another picture you see them running.
Getting into action as directed.

I agree with Target:

I'm not quick to judge a military contractor "honorable" by any means...

I unfortunately have personal experience with 'contractor' work. Most of it not honorable at all.
Made me sick and quit after a year.

I also agree with Target that they are totally not equipped (an thus not intended) to find/secure bombs.

It doesn't feel right to see those guys standing stationary on the same spot where one of the bombs
exploded. I am at least 100% convinced that the authorities had pre-knowledge about a pending threat.
There was clearly no surprise.

Jeffrey

19th April 2013, 23:12

Alright y'all. This needs to be said.

I'm not here to make agreements. I don't want to be told what to think or how to think. I'm not telling you all what to think. I'm not just going to accept how Alex Jones strings together the pieces. I'm not going to accept the most popular theories on GLP. I'm not going to accept the spin the MSM puts out, and I'm not going to accept what anybody here says based on how many thanks they receive.

I'm here to dig. I'm digging. I'm here to think. I'm thinking. Any opinions I make are mine to make. I don't take other's opinions as my own, and I don't expect anybody to accept my opinions.

I'm laying out reasonable explanations here considering the available information. There's more opinions floating around based on the lack of information than opinions measured by the facts.

It takes discernment to sift through the crap. I'm trying to sift here. I'm not here to be popular or follow the corn pone opinions. I'll leave the popularity for the characters that need that fodder.

I've said this doesn't look right. I've said the authorities probably had prior knowledge. It's also likely that the FBI helped foster the plot of the suspect to flush out potential a terrorist (this method is questionable and I don't agree with it, it's more like creating a terrorist). That could be why the threat warranted such precautionary measures, because the tip came from credible FBI sources. They probably set this guy up. He still could have done it, or he could be framed as the perpetrator.

Either way, somebody in some gov't agency knew the bombing was a likely enough possibility or they wouldn't have hired private contractors to monitor the area and allowed the marathon to happen in the face of such a severe possibility (i.e. the bombings). This is the cover-up of some sort. Nobody in a jury would consider anything about the suspicious guys with backpacks being complicit in the event. Why? Somebody would merely need to point out that they were hired to monitor the area because of a bomb threat and that their bags held technical equipment to deal with a bomb in an emergency situation. Do I know this as fact? No. Okay. That's fine, but I've made a case. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Maraton-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663498&viewfull=1#post663498)

These are the right people to look at. The right question is, why? Why were they there? Then people try to answer it based on pure speculation (in most cases). I've answered it with logic and reasonable links. I haven't linked to some speculative conspiracy story full of holes, and I'm not anybody's parrot.

There is a conspiracy. A legitimate one. I'm not going to mix legitimate questions with cognitively reckless ones.

The other arguments I've heard don't make any sense. They don't. They may make sense to you, but they don't make any sense to me. I understand that what I'm saying might not make any sense to some people, but some people have already made up their minds. Made up being the key word there, as in make believe.

I don't have to believe everything I think, but I enjoy thinking about what I believe. There are many reasonable questions that need answers surrounding this event, and there are many unreasonable ones.

Maybe you feel that I'm being judgmental and overly critical. Maybe you think I'm being rude. No, I'm calling it like I see it. If you can be so critical and insensitive to say that the people with their limbs blown off are actors in this recent tragedy, then don't complain when I criticize and pick apart your arguments (if you haven't made this argument, then I'm not talking to you).

You all want the community as a whole to take what we say seriously? Then get serious about it. I understand this is a conspiracy forum and people are allowed to say what they think. Cool. Fine. I won't stop you. I can't stop you. It's not my right, not my role, and I don't want to be in control of anybody. Yet, there is nothing more than gossip and dribble being passed around here in certain instances. Leave it as gossip or an opinion. Quit trying to state it as the truth, it's just adding to the hock of confusion and fueling speculation.

I'm not trying to state the truth, I'm just digging for it. Making calculated estimations of it based on the known variables. If I have to fill in any blanks, I'll do it with logic. I'm not jumping to conclusions.

If you get upset that I've pointed out the holes in your boat, well, build a better boat.

I realize that you can say what you will just as I can. I'm not going to stop you. You can twist my words back on to me. Fine. Do it. I know I can be a hypocrite, I know how my own foot tastes, and I know I can be ignorant. I've looked in the mirror.

You've got two ears, two eyes, and one mouth. I think I'll shut up now.

Hervé

19th April 2013, 23:17

Recap of the available data:

1) first explosion blasted at 4:09:44 PM some 20' away from where the 2 "Craft" guys were stationed:

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/location1.jpg

2) 4:10:12 PM, second blast occurred further down the street from the finishing line and on the same street side

3) 4:11:40 PM (marathon finish line clock above their head), the two "Craft" guys are now standing on the other side of the street and of the finish line.They had about 2 minutes to cover that distance from their "Sweetgreen" store station, after the first blast, flowing with the crowd fleeing the scene.

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg

In other words, they missed spotting the "unusual" of the dropping of the bomb right under their nose... not good for their matricule... since that, according to VT:

What our Special Ops people just can’t believe: these stand out security contractors who look like they are from ‘overseas’ just happen to be stationed 15 to 20 feet left of the first bomb…but seem to have left the position prior to it being dropped…and moved across the street which happened to be a good place. Protocol is to not have them move around, as if they do they don’t know who is new in an area, who they have been talking to, how they are acting.

Now look at them after the bombing, still in their Butch Cassidy and Sundance mode, on the phone, and not the slightest bit involved with what is going on around them other than communicating with someone.

Usually the bosses back at headquarters are watching everything live on video anyway, from a variety of cameras. You don’t really have any security if you are doing that as protocol is to even have the plain clothes guys being watched to make sure they are not chatting up some babe. Yes, they have to do that.

Here is photo one. Protocol is zone defence…people at street level with people above watching their backs so you have three pairs of eyes on one zone, plus a video camera.

I disagree with VT that they moved around prior to the bomb detonating since they had about 2 minutes to cover the distance after the first explosion and 1 minute after the second explosion.

4) 4:12:50 PM, all the "Craft" gang is around their command center SUV:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SUV_Arrives.jpg

5) about 8 "Craft" operatives are around that SUV:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Perps-and-command-vehicle.jpg

... all in "uniform"... the reason being, according to VT:

Once again, they are engaged with no one around them and seem totally relaxed and doing nothing but communicating with someone. These are DHS contractors. They dress the same so the team knows who they are, Feds, versus locals.

This is the only photo of them involved with some one, the FBI bomb squad people. I wonder if they are telling them “they almost got us!!…"My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the "Craft" outfit.

Operator

20th April 2013, 00:07

Jeffrey

20th April 2013, 00:11

Either way, somebody in some gov't agency knew this was going to happen or they wouldn't have hired private contractors to monitor the area.

There is another hidden potential hint.

Why hire 8 guys privately while they have hundreds or probably over a thousand police officers on the street already?

That's exactly what I'm wondering. Somebody obviously thought it was a good idea to hire these guys for extra security measures. Whatever threat the Boston officials were aware of ... it was enough to warrant hiring some extra hands.

My take.

Spix

20th April 2013, 00:34

Yet again, a suspicious man who is on top of a roof. very weird.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/roof17n-1-web-620x380.jpg

Sidney

20th April 2013, 00:55

What makes these events so frustrating is the fact that we are so pre-conditioned already, to be distrustful of what we here in mainstream, that it in fact can warp our discernment processes. I guess we need to go by the facts, and not the chatter. The last thing we need is to be thrown into fear mode. I do feel for those families of the victims, and the victims themselves. can you imagine what must be going through their minds at this point? Crazy times we are in.

Operator

20th April 2013, 01:39

Yet again, a suspicious man who is on top of a roof. very weird.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/roof17n-1-web-620x380.jpg

Maybe not. High positions are often useful to snipers or other guys taking a shot: photo or video.
Guys in those positions are sometimes referred to as 'God' (all seeing eye from above).
Photos and video from above are very useful. Extra sensitive cameras and high resolution images are needed for several purposes.
One of them is to give the director an overview and lead the operation. But also when you need to put the blame on someone else.
You need 'manipulated' proof.

Contractors often do not exactly know what their role is by the way. You often find out when you're in the middle of it. The whole
operation can even turn against you. There can be multiple parties involved. One party samples evidence of the other one etc.
Nobody seems surprised to have so many detailed high resolution photos of the Craft operatives ... to the point where you can
even see what they are carrying in their hands. :p

The reason to involve a party of 8 can serve the purpose as mentioned above. Or when you don't want to brief the whole police
force on a potential bombing. Or other reason ... but that's speculation. Don't get me started.

Hervé

20th April 2013, 14:51

With all the security around and the known, horrible end result... then, my previous conclusions:

Recap of the available data:

[...]

In other words, they missed spotting the "unusual" of the dropping of the bomb right under their nose... not good for their matricule... since that, according to VT:

... Protocol is to not have them move around, as if they do they don’t know who is new in an area, who they have been talking to, how they are acting.

[...]
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Perps-and-command-vehicle.jpg

[...]

I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the "Craft" outfit.

... may also miss the whole point:

... what IF... these guys were there to ensure that the real bombers and their bombs were not interfered with?

That would make more sense than highly trained operatives "missing it" when so close to the scene... on the "right" side of the street and sheltered from the impact.

Jeffrey

20th April 2013, 15:54

... what IF... these guys were there to ensure that the real bombers and their bombs were not interfered with?

Hello,

Considering this "what if" I have some questions:

1. Why would they all (most of them) be wearing the backpacks? What purpose would the backpacks serve?

2. Why the handheld radiation detector?

3. Why would they all still be on the scene afterwards?

Thanks,

Vivek

Hervé

20th April 2013, 17:16

[...]

Considering this "what if" I have some questions:

[...]

Well, let's pick some among the many possibilities:

1) No idea, i.e. did you count the number of backpacks that were left around on the ground or hanging on the fences? Quite a few. What were their purpose?

2) It's assumed it's a radiation detector since it looks like one. However, same as with books... what's actually inside?

3) Job done! However, since they seem to be on a contract job hired by the DHS (according to VT) they may just be waiting for the order to fold or awaiting further instructions since they are just hanging around not doing much as they have been doing all day.

Your answers are as good as mine as this is the domain of speculations :)

From where I stand, either they missed it or they were successful in whatever endeavor they were hired for. So far, the data fit either.

Rollo

20th April 2013, 17:35

More to the story 38h2sR3jm1Y

Jeffrey

20th April 2013, 18:00

Amzer Zo,

I'm not speaking about the number of backpacks that could have been left anywhere. I'm speaking specifically about the backpacks the Craft personnel were wearing.

Considering the context clues, the object in the man's hand is most likely a radiation detector. It's not about all the possibilities. Investigation requires one to narrow down the possibilities and determine what's plausible.

You say "job done" without any evidence. Sure, there are many possibilities. What I'm concerned with are what's plausible based on what we know, and searching for reasonable variables that match what we know. The only thing that is 100% certain is the evidence we have from the photographs of the men with backpacks on the scene.

No, your "answers" don't make the cut. Sorry. Yes, I'm speculating too. The difference is my speculation is backed by reason, logic, and links to supporting evidence. All of the other speculation around here is backed by more speculation; it doesn't matter who it's coming from or what bully pulpit they are speaking from.

What I know isn't based off of second hand opinions from Mike Adams, Alex Jones, or Gordon Duff. If they've got some information that fits the data, fits the logic, fits the evidence -- then I'll take it seriously.

Show me the evidence. Show me the logic. Show me the connections that are reasonable considering the aforementioned criteria. If it doesn't fit, it's nothing more than commentary and I'll take it for what it's worth.

Kimberley

20th April 2013, 18:32

I thought of starting a new thread about this however I guess I will post it here:

Tsarnaev brothers' mother: My sons are innocent, this is a setup

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I also heard an interview yesterday morning from a guy that is an intern at the Boston Globe newspaper that has been friends with 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for years and he said that Dzhokhar is a really nice person and he can not for one moment believe that Dzhokhar could do the things he has been accused of.

I personally am knowing that this is much deeper and darker than we are being led to believe...

:peace: :grouphug:

Hervé

20th April 2013, 18:47

sheme

20th April 2013, 18:47

My intuition tells me they are patsies I really connected with the youngsters sense of utter helplessness and betrayal yesterday, Unless I am mistaken they are martyrs.

blufire

20th April 2013, 18:50

Most of us here on Avalon know and understand this event was a false flag or staged event for a specific purpose.

We will never understand or reveal the specifics or minutia of how the event was planned and carried out.

I would suggest we concentrate more on WHY this was done and WHAT are the foundational results of the bombing and also too the almost simultaneously event of the explosion in Texas.

Think everybody!! Where are we being herded and maneuvered . . . how is this enabling the globalists to accomplish the underlying purpose of this?

We as a more ‘conspiracy’ minded group is reacting in one way and the general public is reacting differently as is the global community is acting yet again differently. But, the bottom line is, it doesn’t matter because the END RESULT is the same. Observe this single event as a ‘tool’ in ‘their’ toolbox and they are using it to build something very specific . . . . what are they building or creating?

Perhaps we should be discussing and analyzing this concept and/or idea instead of agonizing over things we will more than likely never be able to clearly reconstruct or even need to?

Jeffrey

20th April 2013, 19:00

Strawman argument and I am spitting out the bait.

As for giving weight to other's opinion, although I disagree with VT regarding some of their assertions, I am more inclined to consider their experience in that contractual field than anyone else: as with Operator, most of them "have been there, done that."

If I've misrepresented your position I apologize. I'm also inclined to consider people's opinions that have experience in a particular field. Yet, just because somebody held a position in a particular profession doesn't make them impermeable to faulty logic and unreasonable assertions (I think this coordinates with what you've just laid out).

Some people have been propping up nonsensical contentions with the credibility of experience in a particular field. If they leap to a conclusion then I want to see all the steps they skipped over so I can understand how they got to that conclusion.

I'm not trying to discredit their experience, but it doesn't mean they are right.

SilentFeathers

20th April 2013, 19:05

gripreaper

20th April 2013, 19:13

I would suggest we concentrate more on WHY this was done and WHAT are the foundational results of the bombing and also too the almost simultaneously event of the explosion in Texas.

Think everybody!! Where are we being herded and maneuvered . . . how is this enabling the globalists to accomplish the underlying purpose of this?

OK, I'll bite.

In order to steer public sentiment and perspective, rituals have been performed over the centuries. Mid April to May 1st is one of the primary Satanic ritual seasons, because spring represents the sign of Aries, the Spring Equinox, new beginnings, new growth, etc. The Evil one's want us to remain within their slave matrix system, and in order to insure we do not come up with any fresh ideas, they trigger the polarized negative baser instincts of the terrestrial chakras and keep us in survival mode, fear, grief and powerlessness.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58348-April-19th-May-1st-Satanic-Ritual-Season.&p=663975#post663975

The universe supports new growth and ideas, especially in spring. If we keep falling for the same lies, the same trap, the same slavery, the same fear mongering, the same ritual blood sacrifices, the same witch hunts, then we are acquiescing to these energies and they become the "trust" from which the matrix operates. If we do not rebut the presumptions, expel the myths, speak our truths, honor our sovereignty, become self sufficient, self actualized and self responsible, then we are giving our authority over by adhesion and willful consent.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58165-Listen-to-what-the-IllumiNUTTI-s-covenant-says....&p=662550#post662550

It's our dream. We need to write it the way we want it.

SilentFeathers

20th April 2013, 19:18

They're already talking about classifying the younger brother as an enemy combatant, therefore his 4th and other amendment rights could be null and void, also he goes to a secret military trial.

This could also be used to justify drone strikes here in the US too...

Lot's can be twisted from this bombing folks, the game is wide open and escalating at light speed....most guesses now may be a reality tomorrow is the way I see it.

Camilo

20th April 2013, 19:29

My kids were framed, says Boston bombing suspects' father
19/04/2013 Combined Report, RIR

An Interfax correspondent has managed to talk on the phone with a man introducing himself as Anzor, the father of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who are suspected of committing the Boston Marathon bomb attack on Monday.

"I learned about the incident from TV. My opinion is: the special services have framed my children, because they are practicing Muslims. Why did they kill Tamerlan? He was supposed to be caught alive. The younger is on the run now. He was a sophomore at a medical school in the U.S. We expected him to come home for vacation. Now I don't know what's going to happen. Tell you once again: I believe special services have framed my children," the man said.

The brothers’ uncle has confirmed to AP that the brothers lived together near Boston and have lived in the United States since immigrating there about a decade ago.

Apparently also resident in the US, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of Dzhokhar and Tamerlan, turns out to have a criminal record of her own. On June 13, 2012, the 45-year-old was arrested by the police in Natick, Massachusetts, and charged with larceny of women's clothing valued at $1,624, as well as two counts of malicious damage to property.

The Tsarnaev family moved to Dagestan from Kyrgyzstan in 2001, the school spokesman told RT. Dzhokhar studied there for just one year and produced no particular impression, good or bad, on the teachers.

“He arrived at our school in the first form and departed in the second,” Irina Bandurina, the secretary at Makhachkala’s School No.1, told RT. “They arrived from Kyrgyzstan and departed to the US. I’m telling you they lived here for a year. Not the whole year. They arrived at the school in 2001 and departed in March 2002 … There were four of them – two sisters and two brothers… It’s written here that they are from Kyrgyzstan. The Chechens.”

Dzhokhar was born in Kyrgyzstan. The family, which also included two daughters, Bella and Amina, had the status of refugees at the time they moved to Russia.

Vladimir Evseev, Director of the Center for Social and Political Studies, argues that terrorists’ origins don’t tell anything and terrorism is a global threat that need to be addressed.

“Terrorism has no face and those who commit terrorist acts have no nationality,” he said.“For example, some Russian passport holders have joined the Syrian rebels. These are people without a true homeland. They earn money by killing people, and cannot change their occupation. ... [Potential] terrorists may come from elsewhere."

Alexei Filatov, retired KGB officer and Vice-President of Russia’s elite Alpha Group Veterans’ Association assumes that the Tsarnaevs may be brainwashed.

“One of the suspects is 19 years old, a child. The other wanted to join the U.S. Olympic boxing team. It’s clear it would have been easy to brainwash them,” he said. “I don’t see an Islamic trail. Otherwise some organization would have taken credit for it by now. I’m not sure we’ll ever know who ordered the crime.”

“This will serve as a justification for any additional security measures the government takes, including military intervention abroad, directed at fighting radical Islam,” added Filatov.

Yet Evseev argues that the government should be more careful when it hosts foreign citizens with different backgrounds.

"Instead of sending troops to the Middle East to fight hostile regimes, America should focus on problems within its own borders,” he said.

U.S. law enforcement bodies earlier identified the Boston Marathon bombing suspects as Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev coming from Russia's North Caucasus.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed on Thursday night in a shootout with police, while his brother was cornered and captured alive in the manhunt a day later.

Jeffrey

20th April 2013, 19:35

I thought of starting a new thread about this however I guess I will post it here:

Tsarnaev brothers' mother: My sons are innocent, this is a setup

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There's also a video here with testimony from another friend: http://news.yahoo.com/russias-caucasus-breeding-ground-terror-113721792.html

sheme

20th April 2013, 19:45

BBC the Mother of the boys says FBI have been in contact with eldest son for years because of his interest in extremist factions !!!

Selene

20th April 2013, 20:03

BBC the Mother of the boys says FBI have been in contact with eldest son for years because of his interest in extremist factions !!!

Now here's a smoking gun if ever there was one - the FBI was his "friend", huh? I'll bet they asked him to "help them" "keep tabs on" these extremist groups... (They might even have been steering/sponsoring those groups in the first place - but that's another tale from the crypt...)

They set him up; asked him to carry a pack to the finish line, part of a drill, sting, etc. Same thing the CIA did to Lee Oswald (who worked for them), Clayton Ruby (ditto) and - most famously - "Tim Osman" AKA Osama Bin Laden...

So far, the Perfect Patsy Ploy is right on track....

Cheers,

Selene

Hervé

20th April 2013, 20:38

Update on post # 11 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663638&viewfull=1#post663638) and post # 38 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=663861&viewfull=1#post663861):

Calibrating the timing of the bombs' detonations from the Boston Globe video to the marathon finish line clocks; the first explosion did occur at 4:09:44 PM, local time, but the second explosion (blast sound) occurred at 4:09:58 PM.

1) first explosion blasted at 4:09:44 PM some 20' away from where the 2 "Craft" guys were stationed:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1poU5pan100ppSeCJ4awZ0pjld2plmJpm4e50bmQzB-IWdUnkiSRdP2zMiIagGi_Oo9Fl8jLE2iiDWDurEZRgjPhlmqgPkr4GV/Craft-two-station.jpg?psid=1

2) 4:09:58 PM, second blast occurred further down the street from the finish line and on the same street side

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p4fiiPjZB-bD94Rw3yMpQN3imvWql0e5HUA5Rv_mTW6a303VgIJsLf8tFfWtrFr1fFNA95OtG9ag8y13h6OLLmnfYGUUdDZi3/Craft%20crew-01.jpg?psid=1

3) 4:11:40 PM (marathon finish line clock above their head), the two "Craft" guys are now standing on the other side of the street beyond the finish line.They had about 2 minutes to cover that distance from their "Sweetgreen" store station, after the first blast, flowing with the crowd fleeing the scene.

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-24.jpg

In other words, they missed spotting the "unusual" of the dropping of the bomb right under their nose... not good for their matricule... since that, according to VT:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png
What our Special Ops people just can’t believe: these stand out security contractors who look like they are from ‘overseas’ just happen to be stationed 15 to 20 feet left of the first bomb…but seem to have left the position prior to it being dropped…and moved across the street which happened to be a good place. Protocol is to not have them move around, as if they do they don’t know who is new in an area, who they have been talking to, how they are acting.

Now look at them after the bombing, still in their Butch Cassidy and Sundance mode, on the phone, and not the slightest bit involved with what is going on around them other than communicating with someone.

Usually the bosses back at headquarters are watching everything live on video anyway, from a variety of cameras. You don’t really have any security if you are doing that as protocol is to even have the plain clothes guys being watched to make sure they are not chatting up some babe. Yes, they have to do that.

Here is photo one. Protocol is zone defence…people at street level with people above watching their backs so you have three pairs of eyes on one zone, plus a video camera.

I disagree with VT that they moved around prior to the bomb detonating since they had about 2 minutes to cover the distance after the first explosion and 1-1/2 minute after the second explosion.

4) 4:12:50 PM, all the "Craft" gang is around their command center SUV:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SUV_Arrives.jpg

5) about 8 "Craft" operatives are around that SUV:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Perps-and-command-vehicle.jpg

... all in "uniform"... the reason being, according to VT:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Once again, they are engaged with no one around them and seem totally relaxed and doing nothing but communicating with someone. These are DHS contractors. They dress the same so the team knows who they are, Feds, versus locals.

This is the only photo of them involved with some one, the FBI bomb squad people. I wonder if they are telling them “they almost got us!!…"

My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the "Craft" outfit.

For larger resolution pictures see: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craftinternational17apr13.shtml

and: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/19/breaking-bombing-news-the-brothers-tsarnaev/

About 1 to 2 hours later (not sure which time zone this particular Fox News is operating on), command center SUV and crew truck still on the scene now mostly deserted:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pTa5nEl13rFIeUyHpLv0KXLAbnxLw4Zu1jw0N1K_TzzIr-B1K2toNW7397vDnrypUkN1higLQl9FIHTTXwzmXp7J5BdPXijTh/SUV-01.jpg?psid=1
Crew truck leaving after SUV

On the premise of this assumption:

On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...

"The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.

... and considering the above options and those of post # 44 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=664126&viewfull=1#post664126), what boggles the mind is that these operatives "missed it" in spite of, presumably, having beforehand data on the situation for them to be hired on the job in the first place. These are "pros" and they "missed it"?

A shaped charged (designed to propel the shrapnel in a specific direction) is also the work of "pros."

Hence, are we witnessing a battle between "pros" as suspected by Lt Col. Potter or are all of them conniving for the fueling of the terror grip on the US and world population?

Update:

Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the "Craft" crew:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2w/UXD4kmlDbFI/AAAAAAAAHKE/faW233sYkz8/s1600/FBI_Arrives.jpg
Larger resolution at: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2w/UXD4kmlDbFI/AAAAAAAAHKE/faW233sYkz8/s1600/FBI_Arrives.jpg

ThePythonicCow

20th April 2013, 21:04

Dennis Leahy

20th April 2013, 21:23

Jeffrey

20th April 2013, 22:11

1. Why would they all (most of them) be wearing the backpacks? What purpose would the backpacks serve?

2. Why the handheld radiation detector?

3. Why would they all still be on the scene afterwards?
Perhaps by wearing the backpacks, they were desensitizing the local cops to black backpacks?

As for the radiation detector, why do it out in plain sight in the middle of the street, instead of where the bombs went off and a bit more discretely. The Radmeter Dude sure looks like he wants to be seen. Perhaps he's planting an idea in our minds for future operations.

As for being there afterwards, I imagine that the one's directing this operation would want some trusted operatives present, in the "uniform" that the other local police would respect, just to make sure things are proceeding without an unwelcome hitch.

The local police would have known they were there. If I was a cop and I noticed a bunch of men dressed in the same apparel with the same backpacks, I would be more suspicious. The local police knew they were there because they were working the event.

As for your second assertion, I'm sure the whole "low key" protocol would've been tossed aside once a bomb went off like that.

People around here are stretching way too far to try and explain something that they want to believe.

It's far less of a stretch to consider that they were cooperating with the authorities to find a bomb and/or monitor suspicious activity due to a viable tip of a serious threat surrounding the event.

Jeffrey

20th April 2013, 22:17

Dennis Leahy

21st April 2013, 05:01

Someone posted a tiny picture on Fazebook, and I'd like to see a larger version, in context, and try to ascertain when in the chain of events the picture was shot.

Does anyone know where the raw photos are posted that InfoWars and others are accessing? Specifically, can someone provide a link to the following (raw) photo (the lower one that has been captioned, "Hey bro, Where'd your backpack go?")

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Dennis

p.s. I suspect at least three layers of deception and, (as many have said), alternate patsies that were all clueless that they had put themselves in the position of possibly being picked as the patsy. Due to the extremely high visibility of the "Craft" guys, I am convinced they are a deliberate distraction, not perps. However, IMO, whoever ordered them to wear the black backpacks is a co-conspirator.

Distraction for what, from who? Dennis, there were hundreds of people there. That's distracting enough.

I have already stated my suspicion that:

a black backpack contained a bomb (confirmed by photographic evidence, unless that is fake evidence)
security guys are wearing backpacks - this is strange, atypical, and you even agreed with me on that point
the security guys backpacks are black

Therefore: "Distraction for what, from who?" Distraction FOR the bomber - a bomber in a conspiracy. Two or more people involved means it IS a conspiracy, the "official" word is TWO brothers, so officially this is a conspiracy. I agree that it IS a conspiracy. I suspect that MORE than 2 co-conspirators are involved (and that may or may not have included the Tsarnaev brothers.) I suspect that whoever ordered the security guys to wear THOSE BLACK BACKPACKS (at least very similar to the blown-up one) deliberately included multiple BLACK backpacks at the scene to obfuscate the crime.

Oddly, the backpacks that the Tsarnaev brothers are seen wearing are not black.

The backpacks aren't that strange considering they most likely contained some sort of bomb technicians equipment.
Yes, the backpacks are strange. You already agreed that they were strange for security personnel. Now you are jumping to the conclusion that these are not dime-a-dozen security guys, they are also trained bomb technicians that could dismantle a bomb (even though that is an extremely rare sub-specialty - probably 1 bomb tech that could dismantle a bomb for every 10,000 security guys.) The odds that these guys that look like security are also bomb techs is infinitesimally low. Then, we have the problem that even if they were bobm techs, they could not possibly have the equipment crammed into those BLACK backpacks (like the one that blew up) to even approach a live bomb.

If you say those backpacks PROBABLY contained bomb technician equipment, I am going to repeat again: NO they probably DIDN'T. That is illogical, and poorly thought-out speculation on your part. I already went through the scenario about the reality that bomb squad guys don't EVER dismantle ANY bombs unless there is no other choice (for example, someone stuck in an area with a bomb, where they cannot evacuate the person.) This is OUTDOORS. Bomb squad guys are not a "dime a dozen" like security guys are. I have never heard of, and have never seen a whole squadron of bomb squad guys - there are EIGHT of these security guys walking around with these backpacks. Only later, quite a bit later, do we see ACTUAL bomb squad guys come in an ACTUAL bomb squad truck. I cannot say for sure, but there may have only been ONE bomb squad guy at the Marathon, once the real bomb squad truck arrived, at the scene. He may have arrived with one partner - that would not surprise me. But he would NOT go near a bomb without a full bomb-proof suit and special bomb-proof helmet on. Your conclusion that the 8 security guys are carrying "bomb technicians equipment" really truly is a near impossible conclusion, much much more UNLIKELY than likely.

The backpacks are decoys? For what? There's plenty of other people, regular people, wearing backpacks. The backpacks had a purpose and it's unlikely that they were just for aesthetics or diversions.
Yes, as I stated before (and it is conjecture, but still appears logical to me), based on the oddity of 8 uniformed security guys also wearing black backpacks (just like the black backpack that contained a bomb), the fact that they were near the blast area but seem to have gotten a call to move away from the blast area before becoming raw meat, and the fact that they never opened the packs to reveal anything that could actually help out in a crisis says to me that the purpose of the backpacks was a decoy or diversion.

The odds that

the very unusual concept of backpacks were ordered to be worn by security guys,
that they were large black backpacks, and
that the backpack containing the bomb was black, and
that the security guys never needed to open their backpacks during surveillance work nor after a bomb went off

is just a coincidence is outrageously low.

I agree with you: the backpacks had a purpose. The person or persons that ordered this crew of 8 security guys to wear a backpack like the bomber used knows exactly what the purpose was.

Look through the thread! It's not a big stretch to make a sound judgement of what's most likely in the backpacks considering the situation.

Yes, it IS a stretch, a huge stretch. Guessing that the black backpacks (that look like the exploded one) contain bomb squad gear is not a sound judgment.

These are obviously security guys, not bomb squad guys. They could NOT fit a bomb squad bomb-proof suit in those backpacks. They could not even have fit the special helmet. The post that Amer Zo made (post # 383 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58170-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon&p=664319&viewfull=1#post664319)) is a bit deceiving for a bomb squad guy. Yes, the point was made that a real bomb squad kit that the real bomb squad guy showed up with is double the size of the backpacks that the security guys were wearing, but what you did not see in that photo was that on the bomb squad truck, there was ALSO (in addition to the bulky pack), an enormous, very bulky, bomb-proof suit and bomb-proof helmet that most certainly would NOT fit in a backpack and that those security guys would HAVE to wear if they were even going to APPROACH a bomb.

http://www.tampagov.net/dept_Police/about_us/Investigations_and_Support/Special_Support_Division/Specialty_Teams/Bomb_Team/images/Bomb_Helmet_Logo_web.jpg
(this was not in those black backpacks the security guys were wearing)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KkprCJsQ7eE/TBv0yKY4k-I/AAAAAAAABas/nCRhxJhtxLw/s1600/Bomb%2BSquad%2B002.jpg
(this was not in those black backpacks the security guys were wearing)

Now, do you want to revisit your logic that these security guys were carrying " the necessary equipment to dismantle a bomb in case one of them found one" ?

You're ignoring logic here.
No, I'm not.

Dennis

Poly Hedra

21st April 2013, 11:24

Last night on the news they were saying that the mother of the SUSPECTS was told the last time she was in the US that her son was being monitored by the FBI! So they knew him to be a threat.
It makes me sick that these guys have been proven guilty already. Even the lamestream media is saying that at this point they don't have any proof beyond a doubt that these guys planted the bomb. Also it's all just too damn convenient, this manhunt.
If the younger brother was not involved but only by the fact that his brother had become more radicalised just makes me feel so saddened by the what he's going through right now.

The family said that they had noticed that the older son had become more radical in his views, that this didn't happen in Chechnya but in the states.

I think this bomb attack was known about before it happened.
I think this bomb drill was a cover up for an actual threat, this is why these uniformed craft people were there.

In the aftermath, especially when all the officials and the lamestream are focusing on how strong Americans are, how this won't scare them, that they will carry on in defiance, this to me is sending a message loud and clear.
This message is saying to the public: you are not allowed to deal with this, you are not allowed to process this event, you must not think about what happened and only focus on hunting down these suspects.
This to me seems like an exercise in mass trauma while telling the public how they must feel and what they must think.
Nothing new here. I wish I could explain this better.
I'm thinking of Ickes theory of problem reaction solution. With the added effect of controlling the publics emotions by telling them how they should feel and traumatising them to be open to all suggestions.
Do you not think that by shutting down the city of Boston and hunting down these young men that because of the fact that the people of Boston were so scared that if the police caught a little old lady and she was the suspect that they would all be cheering out of relief.
So sad so sad.

sheddie

21st April 2013, 11:40

This is what they did in London with the bombings, got everyone so scared and suspicious ............ my daughter worked just behind Stockwell tube station and just down the road from the synagogue so I remember it well.

The fear, the hysteria and the mess that was made of many aspects of it.

They have a lot of actual case studies to learn from.

I feel so sorry for that young lad and his family - it is tragic, as it is for all the innocent people harmed in any way by this incident.

As always there is much more to this than we will ever know .... sending love, fearlessly

Selene

21st April 2013, 16:30

The fact that the older brother was aware of his FBI contact and spoke openly of it to his mother indicates one thing for certain: This was an FBI "handler". If he had been merely "under surveillance" it is unlikely he would have been aware of being monitored. This implies the possibility of a deliberate frameup, as cited above.

Even at minimum, had he been "monitored", it is unfathomable that the FBI, with any knowledge whatsoever of nefarious plans, would not have intervened to prevent the bombing. The idea that "we get bomb threats all the time..." and ignore them! is ludicrous. I've never known a police force to ignore a bomb threat. Except in the case of 9-11, where suspicious FBI agents were ordered to stand down beforehand.

Either way, the government is somehow implicated here.

Cheers,

Selene

Jeffrey

21st April 2013, 18:18

Yes, the backpacks are strange. You already agreed that they were strange for security personnel. Now you are jumping to the conclusion that these are not dime-a-dozen security guys, they are also trained bomb technicians that could dismantle a bomb (even though that is an extremely rare sub-specialty - probably 1 bomb tech that could dismantle a bomb for every 10,000 security guys.) The odds that these guys that look like security are also bomb techs is infinitesimally low. Then, we have the problem that even if they were bobm techs, they could not possibly have the equipment crammed into those BLACK backpacks (like the one that blew up) to even approach a live bomb.

[...]

These are obviously security guys, not bomb squad guys. They could NOT fit a bomb squad bomb-proof suit in those backpacks. They could not even have fit the special helmet.

[...]

Your conclusion that the 8 security guys are carrying "bomb technicians equipment" really truly is a near impossible conclusion, much much more UNLIKELY than likely.

Dennis, you are misrepresenting what I've said. I never said a large, full-sized bomb suit was crammed into the backpacks. Never. I'm reading your posts carefully and I'm fact checking what you say. What you think you know for certain, I fact check it. What I think I know, I fact check it.

You still haven't acknowledged these pictures.

https://www.simmonsle.com/uploads/full_ed131b2f8f3c1b9.jpg

https://www.simmonsle.com/uploads/full_e767a203cf54f9e.jpg

The backpack could have contained some customized variation of the above EOD tool kit offered by Tactical Electronics.

Here is a description of the kit from the website:

The EOD 2nd Line Tool Kit is designed to augment EOD and bomb technician’s RSP capabilities by providing a variety of essential tools. Its modular design allows the operator to customize the configuration based on the scenario. The kit incorporates removable components as well as provides room for additional equipment as required.

Source: http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/products/21/products/52/eod-tools/54/2nd-line-eod-tool-kit

The Craft personnel could have their own customized versions of such a kit. The straps and the type of backpack the Craft operative was wearing (http://static.prisonplanet.com/slideshow/180413craft.jpg) is similar in style. Does that mean it's some sort of EOD tool kit? Not by itself it doesn't. Yet, considering the context of the situation it does make sense.

Craft International even sells compartmentalized backpacks on their website (not EOD kits).

http://static.511tactical.com/images511/category/BagsBackpacks_Packs.gif

Source: http://www.511craft.com/All-Products/Bags-Backpacks/Backpacks.html

They could have been carrying some variation of an EOD tool kit around as the least prudent measure if we consider that they were supposed to keep a low profile. It's not a stretch. EOD tool kits such as these (in backpacks) are not movie props and they aren't the most convenient thing to carry for a man in a heavy, bulky bomb suit.

If you say those backpacks PROBABLY contained bomb technician equipment, I am going to repeat again: NO they probably DIDN'T. That is illogical, and poorly thought-out speculation on your part.

When you say things like this it makes me think that you haven't bothered to look at the links I've provided. Again, I go out and research what you say just like I'd research what I post before I post it. Reconsider the pictures above and then tell me it's illogical and poorly thought out.

I already went through the scenario about the reality that bomb squad guys don't EVER dismantle ANY bombs unless there is no other choice (for example, someone stuck in an area with a bomb, where they cannot evacuate the person.) This is OUTDOORS.

I've already addressed this in another thread with you, and you've decided to ignore it. I provided a link, I provided the information which directly counters your argument here. I understand what bomb squad equipment looks like. I understand that it's standard safety procedure to wear the big suits. Those suits are also very heavy, very hot to be in, and very inconvenient if you want to keep a low profile (i.e. not alarm the public).

Many techniques exist for the safing of a bomb or munition. Selection of a technique depends on several variables. The greatest variable is the proximity of the munition or device to people or critical facilities. Explosives in remote localities are handled very differently from those in densely-populated areas. Contrary to the image portrayed in modern day movies, the role of the modern Bomb Disposal Operator is to accomplish their task as remotely as possible. Actually laying hands on a bomb is only done in an extremely life-threatening situation, where the hazards to people and critical structures cannot be reduced.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_disposal

I'm not saying your wrong. This isn't about pride and I'm not trying to compete with you. I'm looking at what the information says. The information says that actually laying hands on a bomb for safing procedures is only done when hazards to people and critical structures cannot be reduced. If there was any chance that these hazards couldn't be reduced, then something like an EOD tool kit could be a prudent option to be utilized for a last resort. This was a major event with crowds of people. That seems pretty hazardous to me, and a backpack with some sort of EOD tool kit seems prudent.

So, if these guys noticed something suspicious or found a bomb then they'd call for backup and attempt to clear the area. Yet, if the hazards couldn't be reduced it would be a good thing for them to have something like an EOD tool kit. It's not that hard to imagine, it's not a random guess, and it's not a stretch.

If these men where hired for security measures pertaining to a potential bomb threat, then what's in their backpacks Dennis? If they were solely there for security, then what's in their backpacks? You assert that they were just decoys and diversions. Yet, your argument doesn't make sense and there are more reasonable alternatives.

You have provided nothing but speculation based on some scenario you want to believe in. You're selectively choosing which data you want to acknowledge to fit what ever you've decided is the case. My premise is built by the data, and I'll change it when the evidence says otherwise. So far, you've provided none and refused to acknowledge the evidence that goes against what you've said.

The odds that

the very unusual concept of backpacks were ordered to be worn by security guys,
that they were large black backpacks, and
that the backpack containing the bomb was black, and
that the security guys never needed to open their backpacks during surveillance work nor after a bomb went off

is just a coincidence is outrageously low.

Reconsider this pertaining to the information provided in this post (and elsewhere). Why would they open there bags after a bomb went off? The concept that security guys were wearing backpacks is not unusual considering the context of the situation. Look at the EOD tool kits. How can you confidently state the assertion that they were probably bomb technicians is without thought or merit?

Yes, it IS a stretch, a huge stretch. Guessing that the black backpacks (that look like the exploded one) contain bomb squad gear is not a sound judgment.

I'm not guessing Dennis. I'm thinking critically, researching, fact checking, analyzing, and reasoning based on the data. I'm not going to rely on what you say, nor am I going to just guess without anything to back it up. My assumptions are based on the available data, your assumptions are based on a lack of data. There's a critical difference there, it's the same type of difference that separates science from religion.

Now, do you want to revisit your logic that these security guys were carrying " the necessary equipment to dismantle a bomb in case one of them found one" ?

You're ignoring logic here.

No, I'm not.

Dennis

Yes, I've read your post and went back over what I've said. I did rethink it, and what you've provided as counter arguments don't add up. What's in the backpacks? Your answers that they were decoys or diversions don't make sense. I'm sorry, but they don't.

I've thoroughly read through and considered your posts. I think you should do the same before you reply. This will be the last time I engage you on this subject. I'll be happy to respond to your posts, but I'm not going over this information again. It's here.

Jeffrey

21st April 2013, 18:42

The idea that "we get bomb threats all the time..." and ignore them! is ludicrous. I've never known a police force to ignore a bomb threat. Except in the case of 9-11, where suspicious FBI agents were ordered to stand down beforehand.

Either way, the government is somehow implicated here.

Cheers,

Selene

Selene, if your implying that I said this, I didn't.

The fact that these hired Craft personnel were there (with those mysterious backpacks), the rumors of the bomb drills, the enhanced security -- those all point to the likelihood that they were aware of a serious threat and were trying to quell/mitigate/prevent it. Not ignore it.

Hip Hipnotist

21st April 2013, 18:48

Perhaps this will 'cool some of your heels'...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-men-witnessed-at-boston-bombing-identified-as-national-guard-cst-teams.html

then again, maybe not. ;-)

Operator

21st April 2013, 18:54

I think we should be careful calling them 'Craft' personnel. All we see are operatives dressed in 'Craft' outfit (which they sell).

Amzer already attempted to connect them to the FBI in his update at the bottom of his post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=664229&viewfull=1#post664229) on top this page. Multiple layers of deception was also mentioned before by someone else.

Keep in mind that the operatives

1. are highly visible
2. on high resolution photographs
3. taken over long distances
4. or from strange angles (above)
5. the original sources of the photos remain unknown
6. one suspect (not even convicted) is already dead
7. the second one is in critical condition and cannot speak/be interrogated

If the 19 year old dies this case will be attempted to be closed in a wink of an eye. If he survives he will be held away from
public view. Easy, they will label him a terrorist and with all laws prepared for this they will even lock him up without trial.

Keep digging people ... it's the only way to expose those stinky practices of those who make the laws but know how not
to apply them to themselves.

Kimberley

21st April 2013, 19:16

full article here:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0421/Bombing-suspect-throat-injury-prevents-questioning-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-for-now?nav=87-frontpage-entryLeadStory

Bombing suspect throat injury prevents questioning Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for now

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is in a hospital, sedated and unable to be interrogated because of a throat injury. Authorities want to know if anyone else was involved.

By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / April 21, 2013

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev remained sedated and in serious but stable condition at a Boston hospital Sunday, under heavy police guard as investigators prepared to interrogate him about his involvement in the Boston Marathon bombing that shocked the nation.

While officials are eager to question Tsarnaev, a throat injury prevents them from doing so for now.

“We don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual,” Boston Mayor Tom Menino said on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday.

Authorities have not publicly detailed the injuries he sustained, but they are reported to include gunshot wounds to his neck and leg. An official who had been briefed said Tsarnaev has been "intubated and sedated,” CNN reported.

"I, and I think all of the law enforcement professionals, are hoping for a host of reasons that the suspect survives, because we have a million questions, and those questions need to be answered,” Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick told reporters Saturday. “There are parts of the investigation, in terms of information and evidence, that still needs to be run to ground.”

Tsarnaev had been captured Friday night after 24 hours on the run, a period that saw violent confrontations with police – one of which resulted in the death of Tsarnaev’s older brother, Tamarlan Tsarnaev – while the Boston area remained locked down.

Operator

21st April 2013, 19:24

http://situationreports.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/img_9074.jpg?w=580&h=386

An SUV with U.S. Government plates and a roof-mounted satellite arrived at the scene. It was waved through toward the marathon finish line.

From: http://situationreports.files.wordpress.com

Then there is this extensive article on Prison Planet:
Military Men Witnessed At Boston Bombing Identified As National Guard CST Teams (http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-men-witnessed-at-boston-bombing-identified-as-national-guard-cst-teams.html)

So, no private contractors it seems.

Poly Hedra

21st April 2013, 19:26

Apparently the mother was told by the FBI that they were watching her son. If there is any more info on this, that would be interesting.

Dennis Leahy

21st April 2013, 19:51

...
If these men where hired for security measures pertaining to a potential bomb threat, then what's in their backpacks Dennis? If they were solely there for security, then what's in their backpacks? You assert that they were just decoys and diversions. Yet, your argument doesn't make sense and there are more reasonable alternatives.

You have provided nothing but speculation based on some scenario you want to believe in. You're selectively choosing which data you want to acknowledge to fit what ever you've decided is the case. My premise is built by the data, and I'll change it when the evidence says otherwise. So far, you've provided none and refused to acknowledge the evidence that goes against what you've said.
...

I'm not guessing Dennis. ...
...

Yes, I've read your post and went back over what I've said. I did rethink it, and what you've provided as counter arguments don't add up. What's in the backpacks? Your answers that they were decoys or diversions don't make sense. I'm sorry, but they don't.

I've thoroughly read through and considered your posts. I think you should do the same before you reply. This will be the last time I engage you on this subject. ...
Yes, you are guessing. Unless you know. Do you know? I don't know you or your background, but if you know what was in the backpacks, then you are not guessing. If you don't know, you are guessing. Nothing you have said "counters" my argument; you are merely repeating yours.

I have read over your words, and you don't get to be elevated to "correct" simply because you repeat them the most times.

Does the stage magician get to disappear behind the curtain for a few days, and then come back out and "show" us that there is nothing in his hat? Of course not. So, even if someone opens up a black backpack - now - and says "this is what we were carrying", it does not make it true, right? You and I don't know what was in those black backpacks, we will never know, you have no data just a guess, and quite frankly, you are diverting attention away from what I am saying. I don't care what was in the backpacks. Let's say it was bomb disassembly kits. OK? Let's go with that. It makes no difference. Someone ordered those guys to wear those black backpacks (that I have NEVER seen security guys wearing) and then we are shown a photo of an exploded black backpack (and two accused brothers - 1 dead, 1 probably dying - that did NOT have black backpacks. And that raises no red flags for you?

I did not misrepresent what you said. You NEVER said there were bomb suits in the backpacks, and I never said you did. What I said was that you are ignoring the fact that those security guys would NEVER go towards a bomb with whatever was in their backpacks, because if it was a bomb, they would die. If you want to do some more research, find out if the people who sell bomb "EOD" kits intend for a guy to take one single step toward a bomb with whatever is in the kit and no bomb suit. Did you even read the description?

"The EOD 2nd Line Tool Kit is designed to augment EOD and bomb technician’s RSP capabilities by providing a variety of essential tools."EOD=explosive ordinance device, RSP=render safe procedures

"Augment." Does this make sense now? A guy in a bomb suit with a bomb helmet might use that kit, not a guy in khakis and a baseball cap. So no, it makes no sense whatsoever that those security guys would be carrying the tools that a bomb technician might use while in a bomb suit. Your argument has been refuted using logic.

Some sort of explosive device went off. Was it simply the "smoke" in a smoke and mirrors portion of this operation? I am told by my government that a bomb (or two) went off and sprayed nails and ball bearings, but when I look at images of "victims" I see no holes in their skin and no bleeding wounds, just torn clothing and static "blood." I am shown images of two boys, that did not have black backpacks, and exploded black backpack, and 8 security guys wearing black backpacks.

If that doesn't raise a red flag for you, simply pay no attention to me.

(For what it's worth, I think the security guys were contingency-patsies, not co-conspirators. If they are good guys, Craft private security guys or DHS guys or National Guard and they were simply ordered to wear those backpacks, then I suspect their lives are in danger because by now they know they were set-up as contingency patsies in this operation.)

Hervé

21st April 2013, 20:55

Well, at least one mystery solved along with a vindication of Vivek's theory:

After days of speculation and calls for officials to provide an explanation, it has emerged that the unidentified military style group pictured at the scene of the Boston bombing (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Ffbi-ignores-men-with-backpacks-at-scene-of-boston-bombings%2F&ei=k_dzUYDTLc7FPP7AgcgI&usg=AFQjCNFNZ0PKx3ekBCtxitoyG8u19liFJw)both before and after the explosions could be National Guard Civil Support Teams (CSTs) that were pre-scheduled to be at the event.

CSTs are The National Guard’s full-time response force for emergencies or terrorist events involving weapons of mass destruction, toxic chemicals, or natural disasters. CSTs are routinely pre-staged at large public events to help mitigate risks and assist civilian authorities.

A report published on silive (http://www.silive.com/opinion/editorials/index.ssf/2013/04/citys_wmd_team_saved_defense_s.html) on Saturday, notes that Defense Secretary Hagel has decided to rescind a decision to defund 24th National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Team (WMD-CST). The team is described as “The only U.S. military team assigned to New York City to support first responders in case of a disaster.”

Within the report it is stated that “Members of the New York unit were less than a block away from the deadly the April 15 explosions at the Boston Marathon. They were part of a survey squad deployed at the request of their counterpart unit in Massachusetts.”

The report notes that “Each U.S. state and territory has at least one of the specially trained National Guard response teams,” and that “WMD-CSTs are trained to provide rapid military support to civil authorities in the event of a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear threat.”

This would explain why one of the military men was pictured holding a radiation monitoring device in the immediate aftermath of the bombing.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/images/210413CST1.jpg

Full article at: http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-men-witnessed-at-boston-bombing-identified-as-national-guard-cst-teams.html

What remains is that these "pros" missed it and let it happen right under their nose...

[...]

My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the ["CST"] outfit.

[...]

... and considering the above options and those of this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58304-Possible-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Cover-Up-Scenario&p=664126&viewfull=1#post664126), what boggles the mind is that these operatives "missed it" in spite of, presumably, having beforehand data on the situation for them to be [called] on the job in the first place. These are "pros" and they "missed it"?

A shaped charged (designed to propel the shrapnel in a specific direction) is also the work of "pros."

Hence, are we witnessing a battle between "pros" as suspected by Lt Col. Potter or are all of them conniving for the fueling of the terror grip on the US and world population?

Update:

Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the ["CST"] crew:

http://static.prisonplanet.com/images/210413CST6.jpg
Updated picture (Larger resolution at: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2w/UXD4kmlDbFI/AAAAAAAAHKE/faW233sYkz8/s1600/FBI_Arrives.jpg)

Jeffrey

21st April 2013, 21:01

Update:

Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the ["CST"] crew:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2w/UXD4kmlDbFI/AAAAAAAAHKE/faW233sYkz8/s1600/FBI_Arrives.jpg
Larger resolution at: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2w/UXD4kmlDbFI/AAAAAAAAHKE/faW233sYkz8/s1600/FBI_Arrives.jpg

Amzer Zo,

With relation to the connections, you may find some information in this PDF helpful. I've been paging through it today.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e07071299_web.pdf

Referee

21st April 2013, 21:59

Here you go lets change the pace a bit......

midU77wpAtg

ThePythonicCow

22nd April 2013, 05:01

I split off some 25 posts from this thread and one other thread into a new and separate thread: Explosions at Boston marathon - split thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58414-Explosions-at-Boston-marathon-split-thread), as explained in the Mod-edit note that I just added before the first post of that new split thread.

ThePythonicCow

22nd April 2013, 11:24

If the 19 year old dies this case will be attempted to be closed in a wink of an eye.
They might try to pull a "Bin Laden" on him, and keep him "virtually" alive for a few more years past his actual death, as a convenient source of news stories.

Jeffrey

22nd April 2013, 18:53

Since the new information about the CST crew has come to light, I have done some more research. Using logic and reason, this new evidence sheds light on what was most likely in the backpacks.

This assumption or premise is based on the available information as opposed to assumptions based on lack of information. I no longer suspect that it was bomb technicians equipment, but bomb detection equipment. This is a more reasonable alternative as you will see below.

These men with the backpacks were part of a WMD CST crew on stand-by for the event.

You can read about these kinds of crews here:

http://www.rrt2.nrt.org/production/nrt/rrt2.nsf/Resources/Presentations_Mar2012_1/$File/CST_Capabilities_Brief.pdf

The backpacks were most likely (based on this new evidence) radiation detection equipment. This type of equipment is custom made for backpacks. Specifically, to be convenient, portable, and clandestine.

https://www.rkb.us/images/SAVER/html/Highlights/Backpack.jpg

http://www.southernscientific.co.uk/store/public/application/file/image/Nucsafe_Backpack_368x0.JPG

http://www.domesticpreparedness.com/userfiles//images/client%20images/bruker_prtusbckpck11.jpg

Thermo Scientific offers their own version of such a pack. Here's a description from their site:

Thermo Scientific PackEye radiation detection backpack locates and detects gamma-emitting radioactive sources in large areas very rapidly, but unobtrusively.
Provides survey teams with a tool for effectively addressing the problems of orphaned sources, radiological contamination, and maliciously introduced sources.

[Some bullet points from the details section]

Unchallenged light weight of 6kg

Can be tied into the ViewPoint Enterprise platform, allowing for a customizable remote monitoring solution which will provide real-time command and control data

Acoustic or LED bar indicator alarm; can provide a stealth mode using standard ear-phone

Earphone socket

Optional single earphone

NBR detector

RadEye Personal Radiation Detector (PRD)

Standard earphone can be used

Source: http://www.thermoscientific.com/ecomm/servlet/productsdetail_11152___11961668_-1#tab-specifications

Here is another description of these types of backpacks.

Radiation detection backpacks are units designed for executing covert searches for gamma-emitting (and in some cases neutron-emitting) radioactive materials. The unit’s detector and associated electronics are hidden inside a backpack, allowing the operator to inconspicuously search public areas. Emergency responders can use these backpacks to locate and secure radioactive materials that were placed in a public or private area.

Source: https://www.rkb.us/SAVER/SaverDocs.cfm?action=content&content_id=2098

Now all the pictures of the vehicles with all the equipment makes sense. Now the backpacks make sense. Now the handheld radiation detectors/display units make sense. Now, it makes sense that the men missed the bomb.

Many people had backpacks, but these CST personnel were relying on their equipment to sniff out any radiation emanating from a bomb. The type of bomb used couldn't have been detected by their equipment.

Now go back and read the opening post.

I'm not trying to be right. I'm not trying to win an argument. I'm defending reason. Not my reason. Reason. I've said it before, you all have been too quick to jump to a conclusion or accept evidence without digging into it.

I have other evidence debunking a lot of other crap being pushed around here. You can find it too, but you don't want to. I'm not going to waste my time thinking for you, having to lay it out. Your being lazy. Period.