CPS Takes Baby After Parents Seek Second Medical Opinion

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A Sacramento couple is without their 5 month old baby after Child Protective Services sent in the police to forcibly remove the child from their care.

A hearing is scheduled for Monday, April 29, 2013 on the incident which was triggered when Anna Nikolayev and her husband Alex took baby Sammy out of Sutter Memorial Hospital and sought a second opinion at Kaiser Permanente, a rival hospital, for Sammy’s flu-like symptoms.

Anna and Alex were concerned about the quality of care baby Sammy was receiving at Sutter where he was admitted nearly two weeks ago. At one point, Anna questioned the antibiotics Sammy was being given and was alarmed that the nurse administering the treatment didn’t know why the child was receiving them. Anna claims that a doctor later said that Sammy should not have been receiving the medication.

When doctors began discussing the possibility of heart surgery, the parents decided to leave without a proper discharge in order to have the child examined elsewhere.

“If we got the one mistake after another, I don’t want to have my baby have surgery in the hospital where I don’t feel safe,” Anna said.

She added, ”We went from one hospital to another. We just wanted to be safe, that he is in good hands.”

While at Kaiser Permanente, the police showed up at the request of Sutter. The police told the parents that staff at Sutter had told them that the child was in such a bad state that, as Anna put it, “they thought that this baby is dying on our arms.”

After the police saw that baby Sammy was fine and examined medical records that clearly stated that Sammy was clinically safe to go home, they left.

The attending doctor at Kaiser said, “I do not have concern for the safety of the child at home with his parents.”

The next day, police came to Alex and Anna’s home.

Alex met them outside and was slammed against the wall and pushed to the ground.

His keys to the home were forcibly removed from him and the police entered the house to take the baby.

Anna’s home video of the incident shows police entering the home.

“I’m going to grab your baby, and don’t resist, and don’t fight me ok?” a Sacramento police officer is heard saying in the video.

News10 of Sacramento spoke with police on the situation and were told to talk to Child Protective Services. CPS said little about the case, only saying on Thursday, April 27 that the child was taken due to severe neglect. CPS spokesperson Laura McCasland said, ”We conduct a risk assessment of the child’s safety and rely heavily on the direction of health care providers.”

No additional details were provided.

Sammy is currently in “protective custody” at Sutter Memorial Hospital. Hospital officials refused to comment saying the case was with CPS and law enforcement and they would have to deliver a statement.

Alex sums up the situation well.

“It seems like parents have no right whatsoever,” he said.

Indeed.

Parents are increasingly becoming irrelevant when it comes to decisions regarding their children’s medical care. Jodi and Scott Ferris experienced a similar traumatic event when they questioned the Hep B vaccination for their baby at Penn State Hershey Medical Center. Their baby was also taken by CPS.

The moral of this story? Tick off doctors and nurses at a hospital and they could very well sic CPS on you – with police breaking down your door in short order.

Think long and hard before taking your children to the hospital my friends. Once you go through that door, the medical decisions about your child are no longer within your control.




Article here (http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHealthyHomeEconomist+%28The+Healthy+Home+Economist%29), video links embedded in source article.

[gripreaper]

Wow, and they have the right to take the child because the child is not yours. I know this is a tough thing to admit, but you gave the child to the state when you signed the birth certificate.

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Yes, someone mentions that in the comments of the source article. I got it from The Weston A. Price Foundation, but the source article is "Sarah, the Healthy Home Economist". Good to see awareness of what's what even there.

[GCS1103]

That's an outrageous story. Unfortunately, this happens more often than is reported. Here in N.J., we have DYFS (Division of Youth and Family Services) which is similar to CPS. The agency was so ineffective and scandal-ridden that they are currently being supervised and overhauled by the state courts. (including a new name for the agency).They have unlimited power over families and wield that power freely and without restraints. Families have been destroyed by "social workers" who have little training in this field and most parents don't have the funds to retain an attorney to challenge them. The abuse of power continues, all in the guise of "protecting the children."

What better way to undermine the family unit as an institution than to remove the children from the household? Another example of Big Brother run amok.

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I saw it on that tool of Satan known as fb, on the Weston A. Price Foundation page. Should of seen the comments "surely there is more to the story than that" "they wouldn't take a child away for nothing". I couldn't help myself, I laid into those Steiner moms with this:
Actually, WAP is saying nothing at all, but quoting the final paragraph from the source article, which itself draws from two seperate msm news stories. What we have here, as far as I can see, is an institution punishing people for any one of, or any combination of, these reasons: 1) questioning the godlike status of their physicians 2) taking their business elsewhere 3) not being born in the United States. The useless administration of anti-biotics in itself should be an act for the which the parents can charge the hospital. The state of mainstream medicine in the United States is shameful for a civilised country, and the slow winnowing away of the rights of ordinary citizens should concern you greatly. While you sit on the internet and imply there is something wrong with this couple ("there must be more to the story than this"), your freedoms are being quietly ripped from you one by one. You will wake up one day and find yourself in a police state, but that is OK, at least you will feel you may have won some debates on facebook while your liberty was stolen away.

OK, it won't acheive anything, except maybe someone will felt their thumb.

[Sidney]

That's an outrageous story. Unfortunately, this happens more often than is reported. Here in N.J., we have DYFS (Division of Youth and Family Services) which is similar to CPS. The agency was so ineffective and scandal-ridden that they are currently being supervised and overhauled by the state courts. (including a new name for the agency).They have unlimited power over families and wield that power freely and without restraints. Families have been destroyed by "social workers" who have little training in this field and most parents don't have the funds to retain an attorney to challenge them. The abuse of power continues, all in the guise of "protecting the children."

What better way to undermine the family unit as an institution than to remove the children from the household? Another example of Big Brother run amok.

Do you see the irony in the title of that organization? DIVISION of YOUTH and FAMILY. emphasis on DIVISION. A service to split up families from their children.

That story make my stomach churn. Thanks for posting.

[Lifebringer]

Yes and sadly these girls/women don't know what they are getting into when your child's birth is paid for by the Dept of Social Services. Most parents don't know that the same thing that separated Malcolm X from his mother after his father was murdered by tying him to railroad tracks, that they stated she was unable to care for her children and the death insurance was not paid out to "a black/mulato" birthed woman. The state owns your child if you don't pay for the birth until you pay for the birth and claim it in court. If child support is owed by either parent on the birth, they OWN the child until you claim it in court in the south.

Sorta like "Massa" owning the insurance on the slave bodiy, after he whips it to death, only they OWN ALL the labor, education, security for low wage competitiveservice jobs.
Hello...welcome to "the plantation Nation Hillary talked about as a Senator.

[Lifebringer]

A lot of women settle for a mid-wife in rural areas because of this law. I think it's imperative for at least someone in every family to have some sort of medical diagnosis degree as well as holistic medicine. The corporations have taken the friendly bedside manner doctor, and given us the egotistically greed driven incompetent under an HMO plan. The doctors NOBODY wanted or that have a limit on how much they can be sued, and to harass a parent after administering a medication that "was not to be administered" to this 5 month old child. They want to clear the meds out of the child before another physician can see what damage was done.

Cover-ups like this happen. My son's father SGT Jimmie Goodman, died because the medication they were spinal tapping him with, missed and dropped his platelet count, to which never recovered, and they sedated him on the day he said he wanted to go home or to another hospital instead of "tricare" private/public Veteran's insurance. He died that day. He called me and told me everything the day before. He pulled a muscle in his back, and went for a shot, they missed and killed him.

[grannyfranny100]

Guess the government is getting ready to take kids and raise them to be perfect sheeple. Remember the government took kids from that TX town where the community was Mormon with multiple wives. And that was before they proved the case against the religious leader.

[Akasha]

Wow, and they have the right to take the child because the child is not yours. I know this is a tough thing to admit, but you gave the child to the state when you signed the birth certificate.

Grip, do you know what would happen if one were to refuse to sign the birth certificate? Do they just go "OK, here's your baby freeman then" ?

Is there really an alternative or is a new parent putting themselves in jeopardy if they refuse to sign?

[gripreaper]

Wow, and they have the right to take the child because the child is not yours. I know this is a tough thing to admit, but you gave the child to the state when you signed the birth certificate.

Grip, do you know what would happen if one were to refuse to sign the birth certificate? Do they just go "OK, here's your baby freeman then" ?

Is there really an alternative or is a new parent putting themselves in jeopardy if they refuse to sign?

Birth is a natural process. Have your babies at home. Hire a midwife.

[Akasha]

Even if you had your baby at home, they're still gonna come after you and get you to sign the birth certificate, right?

[gripreaper]

Even if you had your baby at home, they're still gonna come after you and get you to sign the birth certificate, right?

This subject is a huge rabbit hole, and not an easy one to answer. This subject comes up periodically on this forum, and I tried to breach the subject in this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54261-Marriage-License-and-Birth-Certificates-for-New-Families

First thing to understand is, the planet is bankrupt and in receivership to the banksters, who have an agenda which goes back thousands of years. The only "asset' which remained after they took all the land, all the natural resources, all the governments, militaries, news media, corporations and currency, was YOU.

Yes, we have been hypothicated to pay off the bankruptcy, and credit is issued based on our signatures. That is how the credit/debit system expands and you become a debt slave. WE own nothing, not even ourselves. Here is a fairly recent synopsis on how it works. Part one of 5 parts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOTtbTmbre8

This has also been discussed periodically on this forum, if you follow discussions headed by we-R-one.

In short, there is no easy answer on how to fully extricate yourself and protect your children from the encroaching global fascist totalitarian dictatorship, until more people wake up and have had enough and are ready to fix it. Until then, there are things you can do.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I am currently dealing with Washington State CPS/DSHS.
They don't seem as horrible as, for example, New York CPS.
This is a police state, for sure, but it seems as if the state seeks a resolution with the family more often than not.

I can't vouch for CPS as I am not done with them,
but for now, I guess I can say that I am grateful it's not worse.

What a terribly sad story for these new parents...
they should sue the city re: the police brutality

P.S. it sounds like the hospital knew it was engaging in malpractice so it sicced CPS on this poor family in order to cover its own behind.
they are victims not only of the state but of the hospital lies! imo

[conk]

Hospitals will KILL you. Doctors will KILL you! The Medical Mafia will KILL you. Never forget that. Trust Mother Nature only.

We just had a horrific experience with our elderly mother. They tried to suck her into the system with unnecessary tests and procedures. They prescribed terribly dangerous drugs. Her neurologist was the only sane one among them (well, he is married to my cousin....;)) and he advised her NOT to take the meds or to submit to another CAT scan. He told her that the meds she had been on were the very reason for her stroke.

With God's love and nature's remedies she is well again. F them! They make it very difficult to hold love in my heart for them, as the teachings say I must.

[grannyfranny100]

Conk, I empathize with the nonsense you went through on behalf of your elderly mother. She is lucky to have you as her patient advocate. And in turn, you are lucky to have a great neurologist who can be a new beginning to find other doctors of his caliper.

Unfortunately most of us do not have the inside track on finding good doctors. Doctors do not compete in the market place (I consider them glorified, high educated medicare workers) who still assume they will be accepted based on the old time "God like" image. Consumers don't have of a way to evaluate them and medicare has no credentials to be telling them what to do, yet they do. The medical industry is a big mess.

Most of doctors are pill pushers updated by big pharma reps or medical journals underwritten by big pharma. For example, my family had to hire a private duty nurse to find out that one doctor was giving dad uppers and another was giving him downers. No wonder he wanted to escape from the hospital. He survived thanks to the private duty nurse.

Last year I spent ten days in the hospital as the patient advocate for the man in my life. The quality of nursing staffs has gotten worse over the years. The overnight shift acted like teenagers at the p.j. sleepover and a year later a neurologist discovered that my mate did not have a mini stroke but a reaction to diabetics. A neurologist was never consulted during the hospital stay!

This year I had surgery and made questionable choices for patient advocates. It was very hard to be my own patient advocate while I was in my pain med fog and my advocates had their own agendas. One is a CA gal who thinks you can just think positive thoughts and all will turn out all right. I was criticized for asking questions of the great medical "gods." The other had a M.A. in Counseling, basically used her education to raise her kids and was busy trying to get me admitted to the psyche ward (the doctors never went along with her "diagnosis" and didn't request a psyche eval.

Now I am having another surgery and went to a presentation by a MSW woman who discussed medical care directives and all the potential problems that can arise. She told a story about a man (an attorney) who had carefully completed his form. He was going to die but really wanted to go to their beach home one more time before dying. This contradicted his wishes as expressed in the medical care directive. Fortunately, the family understood that this was a spiritual need that superceded his earlier thoughts about quality of life and rehab if you are going to die soon anyway. He had to go through some rehab that he had excluded on his form but his family understood and carried out his wishes. He got to say good bye to planet earth at his beloved beach home and passed on gracefully shortly there after.

Somehow the younger generations have bought into eat right, exercise, et al as if they will never die. So when confronted by death of an elderly relative, they are in terrible turmoil over their relative and over the reality that they will have to face death, too. This must have been very hard on you since it has been several generations since death was considered normal.

I hope you and your family will consider filling out medical care directives for each of you and do it with a medical professional and NOT with an attorney. Make sure it is someone who understands your spiritual intentions. Discuss it with each other as a quality of life issue and understand each other's way to express their own vision. It will make things easier when each of you die.

Make sure you do this process with your elderly mother, too. I know many don't want to take an elderly's opinion seriously but you may be surprised by their insight since they are closer to dying. This could be quite a transforming process for the entire family and bring you closer together than ever imagined. It is as much a quality of life issue as food choices and work out places. Really!!

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I am drawn to make a comment here that I hope won't offend people on this thread who are fighting to get custody of their children.

Comment is made on who "owns" a child, is it the state or the parents? and legalities are discussed, but I think we should be very clear on the point that nobody "owns" a child. Parents are blessed to be the caregivers, protectors, and educators of a unique sovereign individual that is their child. It may seem like splitting hairs, or playing semantics, but the things we say and think contribute to shaping our personal and consensual group realities.

Whether we say the "state owns" or the "parents own" the child, we are committing that soul to conceptual slavery. Do we, as children of our own parents think they "own" us?

[gripreaper]

Comment is made on who "owns" a child, is it the state or the parents? and legalities are discussed, but I think we should be very clear on the point that nobody "owns" a child.

Well, for those who have had their children taken away, and have fought the system to try and get them back, when they use the terminology "give me my children back" the state does not hear them.

A recent case highlighted by Karl Lentz on Angela's talkshoe last Thursday, when the parents filed a lawsuit to get their "property" back, they had their kids home in three days.

It does make a difference in legaleze.