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onawah
25th September 2010, 21:01
If you think S510 in the US is nothing to be concerned about, read this (and please take action--links provided on the S510 thread at

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4613-S510-Illegal-To-Grow-Share-Trade-Sell-Homegrown-Food&p=53912#post53912

From Earth Rainbow Network's current issue:
http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/Archives2010/PerfectStorm21.htm

Big Pharma Scores Big Win: Medicinal Herbs Will Disappear in EU by Heidi Stevenson (12 September 2010)
SADLY, ALL OF THE FOLLOWING NIGHTMARE IS TRUE
http://www.gaia-health.com/articles301/000301-big-pharma-scores-big-win-medicinal-herbs-disappear-eu.shtml
It's almost a done deal. We are about to see herbal preparations disappear, and the ability of herbalists to prescribe them will also be lost. -- Big Pharma has almost reached the finish line of its decades-long battle to wipe out all competition. As of 1 April 2011-less than eight months from now-virtually all medicinal herbs will become illegal in the European Union. The approach in the United States is a bit different, but it's having the same devastating effect. The people have become nothing more than sinks for whatever swill Big Pharma and Agribusiness choose to send our way, and we have no option but to pay whatever rates they want. Big Pharma and Agribusiness have almost completed their march to take over every aspect of health, from the food we eat to the way we care for ourselves when we're ill. Have no doubt about it: this takeover will steal what health remains to us. It Begins Next April Fools DayIn the nastiest April Fool's Joke of all time, the European Directive on Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products (THMPD) was enacted back on 31 March 2004. (1) It laid down rules and regulations for the use of herbal products that had previously been freely traded. This directive requires that all herbal preparations must be put through the same kind of procedure as pharmaceuticals. It makes no difference whether a herb has been in common use for thousands of years. The costs for this are far higher than most manufacturers, other than Big Pharma, can bear, with estimates ranging from £80,000 to £120,000 per herb, and with each herb of a compound having to be treated separately. It matters not that a herb has been used safely and effectively for thousands of years. It will be treated as if it were a drug. Of course, herbs are far from that.
(...) Try to imagine facing your children or grandchildren when they ask why you didn't. How will you tell them that you really weren't that interested in their welfare? How will you tell them that it was more important to watch the latest fake reality show on television than to take the time to write a simple letter?It is only by actively protesting that this travesty against our welfare can be stopped. If we sit back in apathy, then it will happen. Our right to protect our health and that of our children is hanging in the balance. If you care for your child's or grandchild's welfare, then you must act. Speak out, for now is the moment of truth. You can sit back and do nothing, or you can speak out. And then, once you have, talk to everyone you know. Tell them that it's time to act. There truly is no time to waste.
(...) Fenna - Is this law regarding combinations and brand name type preparations ? Or, is it for individual raw or bulk dried herbs and tinctures ? Reply: Heidi: All of them are affected, though combinations will face the worst of it. Brand names or raw or bulk or tinctures - all are the same in this. The ones most adversely affected are imported herbs. There are methods for EU-based herbs to be approved, but the process is onerous and costly. Very few have been able to go through the process. No herb can be approved for anything considered a serious medical condition. That seems to mean that a herb used to treat cold symptoms can be approved - if it's EU-based and it isn't part of a combination (though a couple of herbs together may be allowed) and if the company trying to get it approved has the means to go through the process. If it's used for something considered serious - and the EU gets to decide what that means - will be banned, period. All of that, of course, means that the herbs must be treated the same as pharmaceutical drugs, and that can mean destroying what makes them work by processes that involve sterilization. The concept of natural will often have no meaning. Also, nothing can be approved unless it's plant-based. For all practical purposes, nearly all herbs will start to disappear after April. Existing stocks will be allowed, but that's all. Chinese and Ayurvedic herbs will be illegal, period.
(...) Heidi - Unfortunately, that's changing - including in Canada. A herb will have to go through the same sort of thing that a drug does to be sold, and it makes no difference if a claim is made about it. All herbs (and, obviously, many foods, too) will be forbidden unless they meet absurd and stringent rules - and most will be forbidden, period. Reply: Didi: Heidi is right - I have spoken to my local herbal store attendant selling vitamins and herbs. At first, she was reluctant to talk about this however, after talking for a while she confirmed that these changes are indeed coming to Canada as well. As of December 2009 all the companies making vitamins and herbals have had to submit their formulations to the body overseeing this and some have had to adjust the levels of vitamins included or remove items altogether. Eventually, it will come down to exactly what is happening in the EU come next April. It's just a matter of time - problem is that I don't even know who to to contact regarding this. The media is completely owned and you don't hear word one about Codex and the changes surrounding vitamins and herbals... Also look up bill S.510 in the States. Very scary what this world is coming to. FYI - Codex has been completely implemented in Norway and Germany and you can't buy over the counter vitamins there unless prescribed and purchased through a pharmacist.

conk
27th September 2010, 18:37
Mother Nature, behind bars. How can nature be illegal?!?!?!

Ailith
27th September 2010, 20:42
Oh yes, I just heard this morning on the news that Viagra will soon be sold over the counter in the UK. How is that for craziness...???

Ross
27th September 2010, 21:33
This from my Chemistry buddy:

I've been watching this develop for the last decade. Our own Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) Australia, is currently working on introducing similar legislation that will probably impact on more than just herbal products - even health supplements containing amino acids etc. Producers will have to have products approved based on efficacy studies. Amongst it all is also the desire to impact on the legal highs market, as currently most of these products that aren't illegal or controlled substance analogues can slip through the net.

The only real way of the future will be to grow your own medicinal herbs. No small task.

The Ayurvedic and Chinese herbal preps have been a thorn in the side of big pharma and health authorities for a while. Partly because many preparations are effective, but also because of the lack of quality control in india and china, and the many reports of toxic additives and contaminants. Many "traditional remedies" coming out of China have been found to contain steroids and other prescription pharmaceuticals. In some cases, the actives in the plants have been found to be contraindicated with the synthetic additives - which are usually not mentioned in the ingredients.

So, since the widespread popularity of these asian remedies, there is now more ammo than is needed to force some form of legislation to control these products. Will a blanket ban completely stop supply? - unlikely, as the manufacturers will simply label them "not for human consumption" or as "plant food" as is being done with legal high products atm. This bit is why the TGA haven't yet made a move; it's a legal mine field.

Regards

Ross

shadowstalker
27th September 2010, 21:39
Oh yes, I just heard this morning on the news that Viagra will soon be sold over the counter in the UK. How is that for craziness...???

I can just imagine the teenage boys looking for that and the teen girl running from it.

Ross
27th September 2010, 21:50
I can just imagine the teenage boys looking for that and the teen girl running from it.

Surely young virial men dont need such an aid, a poison one at that, tho, I have heard of the youngins crushing and mixing with 'other' recreational substances and up the nose it goes...stupid!

Regards

Ross

Ki's
28th September 2010, 05:36
No intent here to minimize this, but really...
If they haven’t managed to stop the marijuana growers what makes them think they can stop us from growing our own medicinals? Nettles, garlic, cayenne, mints, birch…heck, I’m been spreading my (now illegal) heirloom comfrey plant around for over a decade.

Ki

Ammit
28th September 2010, 08:12
This is shocking beyond words, Maybe it is time to stock up on all the items we use for health before they disappear!
Is Comfry not the plant that contains toxins that destroy the liver?

heyokah
28th September 2010, 08:44
Hi Ammit,
Here's some info on comfrey

http://www.miraclecomfrey.net/
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/herbal-supplements/comfrey.php :)

Yes, it looks like we have to grow our own medicines

Ammit
28th September 2010, 08:59
Thanks heyokah

Will the Comfrey happily grow in this crappy UK weather and if so is there a particular type of comfrey plant that is reccomended?

heyokah
28th September 2010, 09:06
In Holland we have plenty of them growing in the wild on sides of ditches and rivers... same climate...we are getting your crappy weather. lol
The exact info you should be able to get on Internet.
e.g. http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/c/comfre92.html

Butangeld
28th September 2010, 11:15
I could thank these pharmaceutical losers everyday, because if it wasn't for their fear of competition and the laws they want to protect their fragile products I may not have made my own declaration of health freedom. Since latching on to this subject about 9 years ago while trying to find a website that was still responding during the 911 event, when I found Jon Rappoport's nomorefakenews.com site, I have taken my own health into my own hands. I have taken their debilitating fears and used them as my motive for learning about a subject for which I had had no real interest.

I have not had a 'doctor' or GP as they are called here in the UK for nearly 7 years now. I have not suffered an illness in those 7 years either! If you're going to stock-up I recommend 1000mg MSM from an online supplier, while you still can.

This news will hopefully spur people on to learn how to grow and make their own medicines. The only way I'd ever end up in one of those hospital places is if I were scraped off the road someplace unconscious and I'd be dragging myself out of there just as soon as I was awake again.

Ki's
28th September 2010, 11:56
We used to be able to buy comfrey leaf in health food stores here in the US. Someone, despite package instructions to use topically, made it into tea and drank quite a lot of it and got sick...and of course filed a law suit against the company.
You can take a leaf of comfrey, put it in a jar of water and when it sprouts roots, transfer to the garden. Once it starts growing, it pretty much takes an act of God to kill it....it'll grow forever. I live in Michigan's thumb and get some real weather extremes here...it grows fine for us.
It is my 'go to herb' for all extrernal injuries, can be gargled for throat or gum issues, can be breathed in steamed vapors for lung congestion and a strong 'tea' of it sprayed into the nose will knock out a sinus infection within 24 hours. I've also known of people who have used it on MRSA with favorable results.

jack
29th September 2010, 14:55
There was a thread here about that, I cant seem to find it anywhere! Im showing my family because they wont believe me, but just cant seem to find any information on the internet. Anyone know where the thread is?

Beth
29th September 2010, 15:11
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5872-Big-Pharma-Scores-Big-Win-Medicinal-Herbs-Will-Disappear-in-EU

And now I'm going to merge these threads.

jack
29th September 2010, 15:16
Thanks Beth

MorningSong
14th November 2010, 14:48
Here we go!

EU Declares Peppermint a Controllable Herb


The madness knows no bounds! Access to humble peppermint may be at risk in the EU.
by Heidi Stevenson

12 November 2010

In its ongoing efforts to make absolutely certain that every aspect of every person's life is controlled in the minutest detail, the European Union is examining every herb to determine whether there's even the slightest hint of a chance it might be either harmful or useful. To this end, peppermint has been classified as a controllable medicinal herb.(1)

That sounds like the start of a farce, of an article meant to be a joke. It isn't. It has really happened. The EU has listed Mentha x piperita, common peppermint, for regulation as a medicinal herb. The only thing that could make this worse would be for someone to claim that it can be of benefit in a serious disease.

Oops! We may have a problem. Peppermint is known to be beneficial in irritable bowel syndrome and spastic conditions of the bile duct, both of which might be considered serious conditions. Conveniently, the EU has not defined the term "serious condition", so we can't yet be sure.

If either irritable bowel syndrome or spastic condition of the bile duct is seen as a serious condition, then peppermint could be banned. The EU's Traditional Medicinal Herbal Products Directive will not allow herbs to be sold for "serious" conditions.

Once existing stocks have been sold after next April Fool's Day, the EU may not allow its sale as a beneficial herb. At a minimum, EU citizens will not be able to purchase it in a form intended for medicinal use for any serious condition or for any minor condition unless each manufacturer goes through a prohibitively expensive and draconian procedure to prove that their particular version is both safe and efficacious.

The individual who grows peppermint—or any other herb—and sells it in any form will be breaking the law, unless that person is exceedingly wealthy and able to jump through the hoops that the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) require.

If the procedure is too complicated to understand, then you can purchase documentation on how to negotiate the process for a mere £250 or $395.

After April Fool's Day, if you grow herbs in the garden, then process them into oils or teas or simply sell the dried leaves, you will be breaking the law...unless you have the finances and will to submit to the MHRA rules.

Is this the world you want? Are you willing to give up your right to manage your health as you see fit? Are you willing to allow a pharmaceutical-controlled agency to determine whether you may sell or have access to herbs? If that's what you want, then do nothing.

However, if you want to see this draconian direction stopped, then please, sign the Stop the Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive petition. The EU has not made it easy to petition the government for changes in laws or directives or procedures. They require that a petition have at least a million signatures before it can be presented.

Let's give them a wake-up call! Let's get those signatures! Let's assure that the EU comes to realize that this is not something we're willing to accept, that we will stand together and Stop the Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive!

http://www.gaia-health.com/articles301/000327-eu-declares-peppermint-controllable-herb.shtml

MariaDine
14th November 2010, 16:38
(...) «Stop the Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive petition. The EU has not made it easy to petition the government for changes in laws or directives or procedures. They require that a petition have at least a million signatures before it can be presented.»

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They are really despaired...................Here in Portugal the petition is on line. I have already seen it and sign it !!!
Cross your fingers ! We will win this !!! :)

daledo
14th November 2010, 19:44
No intent here to minimize this, but really...
If they haven’t managed to stop the marijuana growers what makes them think they can stop us from growing our own medicinals? Nettles, garlic, cayenne, mints, birch…heck, I’m been spreading my (now illegal) heirloom comfrey plant around for over a decade.

Ki

I have been plagued by eczema my whole life and found a comfrey balm that cleared it up within 2 days. This is the only thing that has ever helped me. The $180.00 creams the dermatologist prescribed did NOTHING FOR ME but eat my pocket book.

God bless MOTHER NATURE and all her gifts. :)

onawah
14th November 2010, 21:48
I recently had a phone consultation with a homeopathic healer who told me that herbs will often show up in our lives because they have a gift for us. I walk on a particular path the woods frequently and recently there have been comfrey and mullein plants sprouting up all along this path. She advised me to dry the leaves and put them in a bowl of boiling water, cover my head and the bowl with a towel and put my face over the bowl and breathe the vapors. Very good for the lungs, she said. I have been having problems with shortness of breath, due principally I believe to the fungi in the chemtrails, since it is much worse when the skies are thick with them.