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we-R-one

2nd May 2013, 01:04

Been cool days lately, made good progress on the book project I'm working on, got positive feedback from different friends whom I pointed towards taking a look at Thrive, and I have had some real epiphanies that I wanna share.

Christian I don't want to ruin your beautiful post, but please be careful in suggesting/following the Thrive movement. Have you taken the time to investigate some of the individuals behind Thrive? One that immediately caught my attention was Van Jones. When I saw his name I knew there was something seriously wrong with the whole "Thrive" momentum. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Van Jones a self admitted Communist? Is he not Obama's former "Green Czar"? And if you know anything about the whole "green" movement another farce that's constantly being shoved down our throats, think none other than Agenda 21. And I assure you, in order for that guy to be the "Green Czar" he was definitely a supporter/promoter of the Agenda 21 blueprints.....which says more than likely the same mindset is going to be pushed in Thrive. Could this be the former Czar's new "mission" since getting the boot from his Czar position? They love to insert these people into potential and promising movements with the intention of corrupting.

These guys are excellent at fooling the people. They make it sound good with their fancy words and ideas to draw you in and then they flip everything upside down and imo "Thrive" is no different. Yes there are some good people involved, BUT I think there was a lot of misleading going on behind the scenes, which can be noted by several who once endorsed "Thrive" and have now since left, one being Edgar Mitchell. I find it hard to believe that Alex Jones and David Icke, both on the Thrive website(at least the last time I checked) would align themselves with the likes of Jones. I wonder if they even knew half the people that were going to be on that site and involved in the program once it was all said and done.

My initial instinct screams at me to stay away....something feels wrong, something feels very wrong about the whole movement...... and I suspect if one digs deeper, instead of just listening to my warning they will begin to find the physical proof they seek behind the driving force of my intuition.

christian

2nd May 2013, 06:34

we-R-one

2nd May 2013, 07:08

Check this out....looks like I'm not too far off on my assumptions...this took less than 5 min. to find......and to think I haven't even really began to dig- what else is out there? Almost more interesting than the article itself are the comments that follow:

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/1/post/2012/10/uncontrolled-opposition.html

...just be careful

christian

2nd May 2013, 07:49

Check this out....

Thanks! They didn't mention Agenda 21 in the film, just like many other things. But in the interview with Alex they did, and they very clearly rejected it.

greybeard

2nd May 2013, 08:11

I promoted Thrive when it came out and still do with small reservations.
As a production, too Hollywood ---that was, for me, a distraction.
Some of those in the film withdrew support but for all that what they did say was relevant for a world becoming more aware.
On the whole I felt it was genuine attempt to portray what is and what could be.
It may help people to really question the integrity of the seen and unseen decision makers.
Follow the money is a good suggestion.

Chris

we-R-one

2nd May 2013, 18:15

Have you taken the time to investigate some of the individuals behind Thrive?

Yeah, and thanks for the feedback! :)

There are quite a few things and people in this movie, where I would definitely have done it differently, but overall, it's the best one to give people a starting point, when they know very little about what's actually going on on the planet, I figure. I think the involvement of Van Jones for instance might just as well be due to their naivete, or because they wanted to include mainline people, not necessarily because they have a sinister agenda.

But I think in general, the message in the movie is sound. They outline much of the basics, advise people to stop being a victim of the NWO, and promote (self-)responsibility. I don't see a particular aspect of the movie that would make me say, "they're dangerously misleading people."

Alex Jones' crew first told him something like, "this is Zeitgeist 2.0, it's creepy," which I kind of expected. Then Alex saw it and was quite enthralled, which I also expected. He then had Foster and Kimberley Gamble on for an interview more than a year ago, in which I also got the impression that they're pretty OK.

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Maybe they flip the script at some point, I don't quite see that happening though, and if it would happen, it would be all over with their popularity pretty soon. Anyways, using the movie to give some people a starting point while also telling these people to never follow any leader or movement blindly is a quite effective way to get people thinking, in my experience. I definitely appreciate this movie having been done.

Interesting that if it's so great, why hasn’t Alex been promoting it any further?....very interesting. And I've listened to him quite a bit. Let me emphasize that I 'listen' not necessarily do I follow him....anyways, I haven't heard a peep about Thrive in his daily shows. I'm not saying there aren't truths in this film...that's exactly what they do...they make it sound realistic and then take it over and flip it from the original intention that had been sold to the general public. It's quite possible that Alex was duped like so many others who originally promoted and have now left the Thrive movement.

Jones....Van Jones...what has he been up to lately....oh looky here what I just found:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/29/former-green-jobs-czar-van-jones-got-arrested-today/

oooh sounds noble right??? WRONG! This guy is playing both sides of the coin! He’s an infilterer (ya I know it’s not word but you get what I mean ) For some states, 51% of their power comes from coal and this a$$wipe is promoting the closing of coal plants. They are wiping out the industry on purpose by taxing these coal plants to the hilt, so they are forced to close their doors…no wonder they can’t take care of their employees!!!!! Alex Jones talks about this all the time.

http://www.infowars.com/obama-agenda-to-bankrupt-power-plants-triggers-blackouts/
http://www.infowars.com/obama-advances-plan-to-bankrupt-coal-industry-with-new-co2-limits/

http://www.infowars.com/arizona-sues-u-s-epa-over-coal-power-plant-emissions/
“Arizona challenged in federal court U.S. environmental regulators efforts to force Arizona power companies to spend up to $1 billion to install pollution control equipment at three coal plants to reduce haze in the region’s national parks.
Arizona’s Attorney General Tom Horne said in a statement last week the emission control measures proposed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would not affect health or be reduce emissions visible to the human eye.
“This is an absurd action that would significantly raise utility rates for most Arizonans without providing any benefit to anyone,” Horne said in a statement.”

Ivy League educated Gamble, naive? Perfect, another educated idiot… Bull$hit! I don't buy it for one nano second. Van Jones is still on the the Thrive website so I'm assuming he's currently considered to be an advocate and you can't tell me they don't know what he's up to as if you look at this mini bio, he’s promoting organizations that he wants to make a part of his legacy; so you bet they know what he’s all about. These guys aren’t stupid.

So let's take a closer look, I pulled Van Jones up on the Thrive page. Which led me to an organization that he promotes, "Green For All". Oh boy, yep here it comes....look at this site, anybody see any problems in here? If you know nothing of Agenda 21 or the EPA's involvement, etc....you will see no red flags.

Nope....nothing going on over here..look the other way...uh, huh..

Those who know, will immediately begin to recognize the problems I’m seeing on his site. Look here:
http://greenforall.org/focus/clean-air/
“Learn about all the EPA has done to keep our communities safe”

I just love how he promotes the EPA as the protector of the American people? Are you effing kidding me?!!! Nice facade. Man I could go on and on.

Christian, I like you a lot, so don't take my bashing as a personal attack. I'm so passionate about revealing the crap that keeps trying to infilter our every day lives that I can't help myself. It's as if I have an automatic GPS system within that can immediately identify false realities the moment they're presented, something that's been with me since I was a young child, much to my parents horror, but it's by design and it's for a reason. I wasn’t called a “ Black Sheep” for nothing.

What I see often is that people don't know how to vett organizations properly to be able to identify a problem in the making. oooh I feel a thread coming on......All I can say is, don't get too sucked in by the emotion of how some of these groups make you feel. They are counting on you to be too lazy to investigate! Following the money is good advice, but additionally having a basic understanding of what Agenda 21 is all about, is becoming more and more a necessity as it's the fundamental basis behind most of the movements out there and it's not just in America its worldwide. We have to get in the habit of identifying the people behind the scenes before we invest our time into distractions that are further meant to enslave the entire the population. And it’s the very reason I created “The Solutions” thread that I keep hammering as there is no group to join, no money to pay and there is no flippin moron to follow unless you consider yourself a moron, lol. My suggestion is to look at the problem on an energetic level, not a 3D perspective of systems that everyone keeps turning to. Until we fix the core of the problem, no system or movement is going to work. And the problem still remains that the moral compass of the majority of humanity is broken.

I understand the purpose of trying to wake people up, BUT... Ask yourself this; are you leading the sheep to the den of the wolves by promoting Thrive? Are you not creating the very sheeple affect you loathe by suggesting people "follow" a movement. Again most don't understand how to properly investigate before joining, so they participate because there is minimal effort required on their part and that is what they're use to- they haven't learned to think for themselves, and so the hamster wheel to no where continues into the abyss of further false realities within the all encompassing matrix of domination and control.

Ya...it's a "Gamble" all right, lmao.

Now, do not let my harsh talk sting your egos, there is much passion, love and the intent of protection behind my every word. I wish I was wrong, make me wrong, that would be the best gift I could ask for...but right now, I'm not seeing it, touching it, feeling it, or tasting it.

TargeT

2nd May 2013, 19:40

Right eye covered, yup that was enough for me RIGHT THERE.... I'm not blind to that symbolism.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419sP9xx%2B3L.jpg

Yep, seen that before...
http://cdn.bajanreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Rocawear-6.jpg

http://img.naij.com/n/0a/10/illuminati-jayz-300x230.jpg

it also had too much "finish" or "polish" ... it just felt wrong in slight ways.

Fred Steeves

2nd May 2013, 19:51

christian

2nd May 2013, 19:52

No offense taken, I love figuring things out with you actually, I really appreciate your passion. :)

Now before I start with my take on all this, I just wanna note that I think we're both speculating of course about what's the motivation behind the movie.

We're drifting away a bit from the content of the movie and the website itself. That's entirely fine though, you've always got to put things in perspective and look at the bigger picture.

Just wanna ascertain all that.

Interesting that if it's so great, why hasn’t Alex been promoting it any further?....very interesting. And I listen to him a lot. I haven't heard a peep.

Alex is mostly focusing on daily news and mostly inviting guests who speak on that, I figure. The Gambles on the other hand don't even seem to do a lot of interviews at all.

Thrive is still being sold in the Infowars shop. (http://www.infowarsshop.com/Thrive-What-On-Earth-Will-It-Take_p_601.html) Note that a related item is for example Behind The Green Mask: U.N. Agenda 21.

I understand that Alex doesn't plug Thrive time and again, after all it's only one movie. Alex himself made dozens.

Jones....Van Jones...what has he been up to lately....

Van Jones is all kinds of things, but not genuinely a truther, definitely not. I don't trust that guy.

But there's more, I also don't trust Barbara Marx Hubbard, who seems to symphathize with eugenics. She's also in the movie.

Most of the people in the movie as well as the message are sound, though. So I think they may have included these people either because they appreciated their take on particular issues, or because they wanted to reach certain people, i.e. mainline liberals through Van Jones.

Ivy League educated Gamble, naive? Perfect, another educated idiot…

I think especially a lot of the people who have been born into wealthy mainstream families are prone to grow up in a fake reality. I feel the Gambles are genuine, but that they may have a hard time really relating to the life of the average person, although they surely try harder than many others with similar backgrounds.

And maybe he's not just naive, but really playing tactics. I don't see his tactics as particularly sinister, though. My opinion on that would only change when he'd openly endorse Agenda 21, for instance, or any other form of collectivist tyranny. Or the CO2 scam, the official story of 9-11, or something like that.

So let's take a closer look, I pulled Van Jones up on the Thrive page. Which led me to an organization that he promotes, "Green For All". Oh boy, yep here it comes....look at this site, anybody see any problems in here? If you know nothing of Agenda 21 or the EPA's involvement, etc....you will see no red flags.

Agenda 21 is definitely bad news, and they talked about this with Alex, rejecting it just like you and I do. They don't particularly focus on this, but I don't really wanna judge them for what they don't do. Alex leaves out a lot of topics in his show, too, although he knows about them, he alludes to that all the time. It's his tactic to focus on particular issues to have the greatest effect. I'm thankful that he's out there, just as I'm thankful for Thrive. Different strokes for different folks.

All in all, both Alex and the Gambles promote individualism and communities based on individual freedom. That's as genuine as it gets, in my opinion.

I understand the purpose of trying to wake people up, BUT... Ask yourself this; are you leading the sheep to the den of the wolves by promoting Thrive? Are you not creating the very sheeple affect you loathe by suggesting people "follow" a movement.

Until we fix the core of the problem, no system or movement is going to work. And the problem still remains that the moral compass of the majority of humanity is broken.

The way I see it, Thrive is not rallying people behind a particular flag or leader. I see its merit in educating people about what's generally going on and encouraging people to do something about it. The idea of self-responsibility and liberty is always keynoted, and this idea runs contrary to any form of tyrannical system "for the good of the Earth and the people" like Agenda 21. So implicitly they reject it, also in the interview with Alex.

I think you're right about the core problem. It's the fundamental challenge, and it's just as hard to accomplish as it is important. So in tackling this issue you gotta attack from many sides, I figure, from all sides actually. Thrive is but one approach, but a good one. If I had to strike a balance, I guess many people have been inspired and woken up by this film and as of now I don't see how it would seriously mislead people.

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@TargeT: I don't see a conspiracy behind everybody who does an Illuminati symbol, whether consciously or unwittingly. I actually like the symbol of the all-seeing eye, for instance. Reminds me of the pineal gland. I'm aware of symbolism, but I wouldn't make a picture with questionable symbolism the basis for rejecting something out of hand.

greybeard

2nd May 2013, 19:53

The Alex Jones interview is fair and balanced and certainly he recommended getting the Thrive Video.
Individual autonomous groups seemingly have been set up in the format suggested according to the Fosters.
These groups while autonomous work in harmony with the others.
Chris

donk

2nd May 2013, 20:11

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2803452928/h7DAE666D/

...definitely in the case of Thrive...but even applied to Agenda 21 (which I do NOT endorse, just sayin'):

It proposes collective living, consensus governance, no borders, rethinking progress--it proposes UN Agenda 21 as the solution to the problem.

That's from your article...those don't sound so horrible to me

...discerment, deiscernment, deiscernment...

****oh, and in case you don't understand the kitty joke, I definitely mean we should NOT throw out baby with the bathwater.

we-R-one

2nd May 2013, 20:13

IMO Hollywood movies reveal many truths, much like Glenn Beck. But as with Beck, there's always just enough omissions or disinfo (the hook) to lead down a dead end ultimately. While I would not recommend movies or Beck to up and coming truth seekers looking to sink there teeth into something real, they shouldn't be ignored either. When a rat like Van Jones has their fingerprints on something, there will be some truth being told, but also an opportunity to refine our understanding of the latest propaganda strategies. The more "they" think we know, the more they will reveal just to succor us in for the sting.

And THAT, might be what I would attempt to get across to those up and coming truth seekers. Start honing those discernment skills right now, because by God you're going to be needing them.

Glenn Beck(snort)...don't get me started on him....I stopped "following" him a long time ago. I think it's funny how AJ calls him his "son". Beck was the premise behind one of the patriot groups I founded, but he's also one of the reasons I left, because I could no longer lead a group who's original promoter(Beck), was giving them, his audience half truths. Many could not see this and yet today, they still follow, unbelievable. Discernment is right Fred as they are getting more and more clever with rolling out their deception mechanism and IMO Thrive is the perfect example of how clever they're becoming.

Seriously, here's the thinking....let's incorporate some well know people that make sense so it looks o.k. to the public eye, but when it's all said and done they will flip it, you watch. I wish I had more time, I swear I'd pick this thing a part person by person. I don't like doing this, and I'm not here to crush anyone's dreams. But they do this over and over again and we fall for it every time.

we-R-one

2nd May 2013, 20:21

Christian,
I'll answer you later. I'm putting together a thread on how to vett organizations which is much needed. I wish I had more time, and if anyone on here does, please pick apart these groups. I even thought about starting another thread just for that purpose. I realize people don't have a lot of time to do this, myself included, but the need is there, and even if we don't pick it apart properly, the purpose is to get people thinking and make them aware of the possibilities that fraudulent promises are likely behind many of these organizations. Again they're going to put things in there to make you "feel" like it's a good thing, this is by design.

EDIT TO ADD: Just to be fair I will watch the movie Thrive again as a refresher.

christian

2nd May 2013, 20:34

I swear I'd pick this thing a part person by person. I don't like doing this, and I'm not here to crush anyone's dreams. But they do this over and over again and we fall for it every time.

If you can help, please do of course. Better living in a harsh reality than in a seemingly comfortable dream. Like I alluded to, you can critizise many people in the movie. But the message in the movie itself is OK, in my eyes.

We really gotta get out of this "follow the leader" thing, and actually I think this movie is helping with that.

I'm putting together a thread on how to vett organizations which is much needed.

By the way, enfoldedblue started a similar thread a while ago called Discernment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57947-Discernment).

It proposes collective living, consensus governance, no borders, rethinking progress--it proposes UN Agenda 21 as the solution to the problem.

That's from your article...those don't sound so horrible to me

Agenda 21 is horrible. But the movie doesn't present that as the solution, that's just the commentator who claims that.

we-R-one

2nd May 2013, 20:41

I did see that thread, but I'm going to take a different angle...hers seems to address the spiritual aspect which is good, and can be used as a comparable addition.

Fred Steeves

2nd May 2013, 20:44

I don't like doing this, and I'm not here to crush anyone's dreams. But they do this over and over again and we fall for it every time.

Well, I don't see it as crushing anyone's dreams, that comes across as just a wee bit presumptuous IMO. It's more a matter of putting out there our opinions and findings, and letting the chips fall where they may.

we-R-one

2nd May 2013, 21:11

It proposes collective living, consensus governance, no borders, rethinking progress--it proposes UN Agenda 21 as the solution to the problem.

That's from your article...those don't sound so horrible to me

Agenda 21 is horrible. But the movie doesn't present that as the solution, that's just the commentator who claims that.
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When Boston was under siege, they didn't call it Martial Law, but they sure as hell proceeded forward as if it was. You see they understand that enough of us are awake and very familiar with the common buzz words. It's no different with Agenda 21. That's why it's so important to know exactly what it is, so you can identify when the mechanism behind it's existence is being put into place through various organizations presented in a favorable manner to the public. Of course they don't mention Agenda 21 in the movie, that would be too easy. But it will be very telling to see the type of solutions they present as I'm guessing they will be Agenda 21 based minus the phrase.

I don't like doing this, and I'm not here to crush anyone's dreams. But they do this over and over again and we fall for it every time.

Well, I don't see it as crushing anyone's dreams, that comes across as just a wee bit presumptuous IMO. It's more a matter of putting out there our opinions and findings, and letting the chips fall where they may.

Fred, I'm sorry that you think I'm being presumptuous. I'm trying hard not to step on toes, and that was the basis behind my comment. The intention of my remarks was not to be arrogant, quite the contrary, so you're misinterpreting. I don't like crushing people's hope and to some Thrive is hope to them and I fully recognize this. And I don't want to come across as being mean and that's why I said what I said. This is why I don't even like doing this or participating at great lengths on these forums, because it doesn't matter how nice once tries to say something, it will be misconstrued thanks to not having face to face interaction. I'm doing the best I can to express myself.

Also I will add humor to my posts, but I realize that can sometimes be misinterpreted too.

christian

2nd May 2013, 21:29

So you're saying they push Agenda 21 between the lines, covertly. I don't see that happening, but maybe I'm overlooking something.

I think Fred is maybe just a wee bit presumptuous on his part, implying that you couldn't deliver what you promise or that nobody's dreams could be crushed by proving that the Thrive Movement is a sinister thing. What you say, Fred? :wink:

donk

2nd May 2013, 21:51

Agenda 21 is horrible. But the movie doesn't present that as the solution, that's just the commentator who claims that.

Understood...all I am saying is nothing "gets legs", so to speak, without at least a nugget of truth (or truthiness) inserted within.

Even disinfo has value. And material that pushes a nefarious agenda may still contain some good ideas.

Did I mention......discernment?

Fred Steeves

2nd May 2013, 21:52

I think Fred is maybe just a wee bit presumptuous on his part, implying that you couldn't deliver what you promise or that nobody's dreams could be crushed by proving that the Thrive Movement is a sinister thing. What you say, Fred? :wink:

Nah, actually we-R-one and I are right on the same page here, and I agree totally with her synopsis. It's just my personal style any more to not presume anything I say is going to affect anyone in any given way. Besides, I don't think anyone can crush anyone else's dreams, only the dreamer can do that. Happens to me all the time! (LOL) :fie:

we-R-one

3rd May 2013, 07:03

Now before I start with my take on all this, I just wanna note that I think we're both speculating of course about what's the motivation behind the movie.

We're drifting away a bit from the content of the movie and the website itself. That's entirely fine though, you've always got to put things in perspective and look at the bigger picture.

Just wanna ascertain all that.

Maybe the movie, but not the website...I pulled the information about Van Jones off that site which is why I say, you can't tell me they don't know what he's about.

Interesting that if it's so great, why hasn’t Alex been promoting it any further?....very interesting. And I listen to him a lot. I haven't heard a peep.

Alex is mostly focusing on daily news and mostly inviting guests who speak on that, I figure. The Gambles on the other hand don't even seem to do a lot of interviews at all.

Thrive is still being sold in the Infowars shop. (http://www.infowarsshop.com/Thrive-What-On-Earth-Will-It-Take_p_601.html) Note that a related item is for example Behind The Green Mask: U.N. Agenda 21.

I understand that Alex doesn't plug Thrive time and again, after all it's only one movie. Alex himself made dozens.

I did happen to take a look at Alex's store to see if Thrive was still in there, before I posted, fyi, as I was curious to know if it had mysteriously disappeared..but glad you brought this up and glad that you checked on your own.

Jones....Van Jones...what has he been up to lately....

Van Jones is all kinds of things, but not genuinely a truther, definitely not. I don't trust that guy.

But there's more, I also don't trust Barbara Marx Hubbard, who seems to symphathize with eugenics. She's also in the movie.

Don't you think that's your B.S. meter telling you there's something wrong with the people behind THRIVE? She's not the only one to not trust. Just by chance I picked another guy on their web page...what's his name, gotta look it up, ah yes, here he is....Aqeela Sherrills. So I clicked on one of his organizations. I knew as soon as I saw the name it would be a problem...."Transformative Change...oooh here we go. I just about spit out my soda when I was greeted with the following picture on the front page:
http://transform.transformativechange.org/
"Hail to the chief" Omg...seriously....and I'm suppose to "follow" what these guys promote? Wow I can hardly wait to look up the rest of the crew, this is actually becoming entertaining.

Most of the people in the movie as well as the message are sound, though. So I think they may have included these people either because they appreciated their take on particular issues, or because they wanted to reach certain people, i.e. mainline liberals through Van Jones.

I do understand what you're saying, but I just can't completely agree. These people are promoting Agenda 21 based topics and is that really the future you want to promote to the masses on your site? They are a reflection of the THRIVE movement, period. IMO this is indoctrination all the way. How many others on there don't pass the sniff test? What's that saying?...if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck it must be a duck....that's what I'm thinking.

Ivy League educated Gamble, naive? Perfect, another educated idiot…

I think especially a lot of the people who have been born into wealthy mainstream families are prone to grow up in a fake reality. I feel the Gambles are genuine, but that they may have a hard time really relating to the life of the average person, although they surely try harder than many others with similar backgrounds.

And maybe he's not just naive, but really playing tactics. I don't see his tactics as particularly sinister, though. My opinion on that would only change when he'd openly endorse Agenda 21, for instance, or any other form of collectivist tyranny. Or the CO2 scam, the official story of 9-11, or something like that.

I don't think he'll ever openly endorse the phrase Agenda 21, but he is imo, endorsing the movement of Agenda 21 by promoting several members within his THRIVE organization that clearly are behind it's concepts.

Agenda 21 is definitely bad news, and they talked about this with Alex, rejecting it just like you and I do. They don't particularly focus on this, but I don't really wanna judge them for what they don't do. Alex leaves out a lot of topics in his show, too, although he knows about them, he alludes to that all the time. It's his tactic to focus on particular issues to have the greatest effect. I'm thankful that he's out there, just as I'm thankful for Thrive. Different strokes for different folks.

All in all, both Alex and the Gambles promote individualism and communities based on individual freedom. That's as genuine as it gets, in my opinion.

This is where you have to be careful. The potential still remains to mix truths with half truths. So Gamble is promoting what you want to hear, but right now, that's not what some of his people are promoting!

The way I see it, Thrive is not rallying people behind a particular flag or leader. I see its merit in educating people about what's generally going on and encouraging people to do something about it. The idea of self-responsibility and liberty is always keynoted, and this idea runs contrary to any form of tyrannical system "for the good of the Earth and the people" like Agenda 21. So implicitly they reject it, also in the interview with Alex.

I think you're right about the core problem. It's the fundamental challenge, and it's just as hard to accomplish as it is important. So in tackling this issue you gotta attack from many sides, I figure, from all sides actually. Thrive is but one approach, but a good one. If I had to strike a balance, I guess many people have been inspired and woken up by this film and as of now I don't see how it would seriously mislead people.

Currently it appears like they're not being misled, but in the future it will be quite telling based on a more definitive direction they choose to take. I do think it's good to attack from many sides, but I don't trust these people Christian. We've been duped soo many times and this just reaks of disception, I'm sorry, it's the classic truths mixed with untruths for the purpose of deceiving those who have yet to see or understand the strategy behind their true intentions.

@TargeT: I don't see a conspiracy behind everybody who does an Illuminati symbol, whether consciously or unwittingly. I actually like the symbol of the all-seeing eye, for instance. Reminds me of the pineal gland. I'm aware of symbolism, but I wouldn't make a picture with questionable symbolism the basis for rejecting something out of hand.

Well tack this on with the other discrepancies I'm pointing out and it's the very reason why this isn't passing the smell test. How many more exceptions before this isn't ok?

I'll go back and watch the video, but we should continue digging. There's some other things I want to post in regards to THRIVE, but not tonight. I appreciate the dialogue.

araucaria

3rd May 2013, 07:57

we-R-one

3rd May 2013, 19:10

@weareone. Not to criticize your overall position, but I’d just like to offer a couple of thoughts on details of your posts.

First, on the original thread I read you dismiss Van Jones outright on the sole basis that he was a communist. Are we talking about communism as debased by Soviet and other regimes, or are we talking about the community values at the core of what was debased, or the social harmony that is the still unrealized ideal of socialism? Are we opposing communism to unsharing capitalism, which has been demonstrated to work, but only for a time, and is now collapsing, like a game of Monopoly when everyone has been priced out of the market?

I don’t know this Van Jones character and so have no opinion as to the rightness of his position, but I do know that to dismiss him outright with this one-word label is oversimplistic, just as it would be to condemn someone as being a capitalist. The political system that will underpin any just society has yet to be invented. It will inevitably involve a fine balance of communism (one dictionary definition among the others is “a system in which goods are held in common and are available to all as needed”) and individualism or rather personalism, whereby to meet these individual needs, not all goods would be held in common, especially intellectual property. It would be more communist than Communism ever was, and at the same time provide more individual freedoms than capitalism ever dreamed of. There is no more personalism in capitalist materialism than in the dialectical variety as practiced by Communism.

My second comment refers to your remark “we’ve been duped so many times”. That is not something I would ever say. It suggests that we are bound to be duped again and to avoid that we are afraid of everything. There is a French saying, “chat échaudé craint l’eau froide” meaning “a cat once scalded is scared of even cold water”. This does not sit well with the mantra that the major problem is fear. I would prefer to say, “our understanding has been shown to be inadequate so often” that we need to bring greater understanding.

Part of that understanding is not about trusting other people or not, it is about trusting ourselves to know what we are doing and do it without a sideways glance. :)

Hi Araucaria,
Thanks for your input. Not sure if read the remainder of this thread or not, but Van Jones, imo is not someone you want to be following and if you take the time to research the guy, which by your own admission you haven't, you will see many issues pop up that are alarming. But don't just listen to me startpage his name for yourself and see what comes up. Now that I've said that, it's possible that you might be missing some knowledge to understand why he's dangerous and therefore might not be able to identify the issues I'm referring to. I don't know what you know and don't take that the wrong way, cause seriously who can keep up with all this? Van Jones supports Agenda 21 based concepts and actually that's more concerning to me than his "self admitted" communist confessions. I'm not just dismissing him based on his political leanings and if you would have read further on you would see that, but I also mentioned it in the first post on this thread about his affiliation to the "Green" movement. I am familiar with who he is and what he stands for and I assure you it's not in the best interest of humanity...notice I didn't say just "Americans".

Please if you can take the time to investigate Agenda 21, it effects all of us and people like him are pushing these concepts on to the public without their knowledge, which will eventually enslave us all. Take a look at my thread that I posted last night about "Vetting" organizations and you will find our more about Agenda 21 and where to go for information.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58832-Before-You-Join-A-Movement-or-Group-The-Importance-of-Vetting-Organizations

In regards to your second remark, I'm not sure how to respond. Maybe there's a language barrier here....the word "duped" means fooled or deceived and that's how I intended the post to be read. I'm not sure where the word "fear" fits in as that's not what I was implying. Now that you mentioned it, I do feel we are destined to be "duped" again. Why? Because Earth is a playground for soul growth and sometimes soul growth is achieved by individuals being deceived or "duped". I keep re-reading your post....it seems that you are thinking much deeper and on an individual level point of view which is fine, but the direction you're taking is not a viewpoint that I necessarily share. You're interpreting my comment as fear based if I understand you, and I just don't see the same implication. Could be a cultural difference too, but I appreciate your comments. Seems like we just have a difference on interpretation.

we-R-one

3rd May 2013, 20:19

Man o' man there are some interesting nuggets in this article, where do I begin...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/09/06/van_jones_resigns.html

Quotes that stand out are bolded in black:

"A White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a personnel matter, said Jones's past was not studied as intensively as other advisers because of his relatively low rank."

Sorry, don't believe this for a nano second. So they're trying to say they didn't know what this guy was about?

"Jones's position did not require Senate confirmation, so he avoided the kind of vetting Cabinet officials were subjected to. In addition, as an adviser to the Council on Environmental Quality, rather than to Obama directly, his past was not reviewed to the same degree as the more senior "assistants to the president" and other top advisers inside the West Wing.

He was not as thoroughly vetted as other administration officials," the official said. "It's fair to say there were unknowns."

Let me say why I think this is utter crap....How could they not know his background...it's Obama who appoints the Czars isn't it? Gee I don't have anything to compare it to, because THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA, has never had this many Czars in our history until the current regime! Not to mention it's not the fact that his position didn't require Senate confirmation, Senate confirmation wasn't allowed!!

"I don't think he's the issue," Alexander said. "I think the czars are the issue."
LMAO, ya, you think? That being said..personally, I still think he's an issue.

This is interesting off of his own website:

http://vanjones.net/the-truth-about-van-jones/

LIE: Van is 9/11 Truther.
TRUTH: Van Jones believes that the 9/11 terrorist attacks on our nation’s soil were carried out solely by Osama bin Laden and members of Al Qaeda.

Interesting......did Obama forget to tell him that Al Qaeda is Al CIA? Must have missed that memo...oh but wait that's right....even though he was an appointed Green Czar, he was of "relatively low rank".

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/20/the-cias-founding-of-al-qaeda-documented/

AriG

3rd May 2013, 21:53

Yup, I wold agree with the consensus. Agenda 21 or shall I say the Project for the New American Century and of course, Procter and Gamble who stands to gain from greenwashing while they pump out neuro toxins in several major cities through their production process. As long as we green up personally, they don't have to. Ultimately, if we sacrifice, they won't have to buy carbon credits. Oh, and We-R-One - Boston was martial law. A litmus test of the American temperament for surrender. IMO.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

The Truth Is In There

4th May 2013, 10:44

@weareone. Not to criticize your overall position, but I’d just like to offer a couple of thoughts on details of your posts.

First, on the original thread I read you dismiss Van Jones outright on the sole basis that he was a communist. Are we talking about communism as debased by Soviet and other regimes, or are we talking about the community values at the core of what was debased, or the social harmony that is the still unrealized ideal of socialism? Are we opposing communism to unsharing capitalism, which has been demonstrated to work, but only for a time, and is now collapsing, like a game of Monopoly when everyone has been priced out of the market?

I don’t know this Van Jones character and so have no opinion as to the rightness of his position, but I do know that to dismiss him outright with this one-word label is oversimplistic, just as it would be to condemn someone as being a capitalist. The political system that will underpin any just society has yet to be invented. It will inevitably involve a fine balance of communism (one dictionary definition among the others is “a system in which goods are held in common and are available to all as needed”) and individualism or rather personalism, whereby to meet these individual needs, not all goods would be held in common, especially intellectual property. It would be more communist than Communism ever was, and at the same time provide more individual freedoms than capitalism ever dreamed of. There is no more personalism in capitalist materialism than in the dialectical variety as practiced by Communism.

My second comment refers to your remark “we’ve been duped so many times”. That is not something I would ever say. It suggests that we are bound to be duped again and to avoid that we are afraid of everything. There is a French saying, “chat échaudé craint l’eau froide” meaning “a cat once scalded is scared of even cold water”. This does not sit well with the mantra that the major problem is fear. I would prefer to say, “our understanding has been shown to be inadequate so often” that we need to bring greater understanding.

Part of that understanding is not about trusting other people or not, it is about trusting ourselves to know what we are doing and do it without a sideways glance. :)

communism and capitalism are both zionist creations, based on the concept of taking power away from the people. in communism the state gets all the money/property/power and the individual owns and means nothing, in capitalism banks and large corporations get all the money/power and use it to control the state, while individuals work against each other rather than with each other.

both constructs are destructive (of course, being zionist creations, what else would they be) in the long run, just like their so-called "democracies".

socialism on the other hand, or national socialism to be precise, works through "common use before personal use" ("gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz") while still recognizing the individual person as an important member of the community. that's the big difference and why it is constructive and not destructive - the individual people are valued members of society (unlike in communism) but they work for the collective ("service to others") instead of their own personal gain ("service to self" - a prominent zionist concept).

likewise, a "democracy" will never work because those who make the decisions don't carry real responsibility. it's always a bunch of people who make decisions, allegedly for the "people" but in reality they work into their own pockets first and foremost, too. however, they can't be removed from office because it can't be pinpointed who exactly made a mistake if something didn't work. removing one will make no difference and removing all of them is de facto impossible.

on the other hand a working model with one ruler ("führerprinzip") who has total power downwards (to those who take decisions from him) and full responsibility upwards (to those higher up in the hierarchy. in the case of the top ruler those above him would be the people, the community) works perfectly because there's always only one person with full responsibility and if mistakes are made this one person will be replaced. with the right ruler this concept will create abundance and prosperity in a nation, just as it happened in germany in a few short years.

take a look at videos from germany in the 1930s and compare the people, their happiness and contentment to the sorry individuals under communist rule or the degenerated ones of our current capitalist societies and you'll notice why germany and the working model of national socialism had to be destroyed by the world's ruling elite. it is the only model that's capable of creating a positive future, all others will create degeneration and destruction (but then again, that's the goal of the zionists and their god)

christian

7th May 2013, 17:41

I appreciate the dialogue.

Me too, took me quite some time to respond now, but anyways, I wanna present my boil-down of it all.

I think Thrive is a great tool to wake people up, to make them familiar with many things beyond the mainstream. I don't see the movement behind it as particularly substantial anyways, because their main idea is self-responsibility, "become active on your own." Some people within the movie are bad news, but the messages in the movie itself are pretty OK overall, even what comes from Van Jones and Barbara Marx-Hubbard, I think. What they stand for beyond what you see in the movie can be discerned when you do the research. After all, this movie inspires to check things out independently.

So my fight would not be against this movie or this vague movement behind it, but against complacency, lack of discernment, and indefference within people. Showing this movie to people, who know very little about what is going on in general, is on average more helpful than harmful, I think. After all, it was Zeitgeist that really helped me to turn a corner in my understanding about many things that are going on in the world, and the movement behind this movie is clearly bad news, the seemingly ecological but fascist Venus Project.

@AriG: I dont think Foster Gamble = Proctor & Gamble, even though he benefited in some ways from having been born into that family. But that criticizm is too undifferentiated.

@The Truth Is In There: Capitalism is essentially only free market + private ownership, but today we have corporatism/fascism, i.e. the merger of state and corporate power.

I think the focus should be on empowering everybody, so that everybody can unfold his potential. Everybody has got all it takes, we just gotta use our potential. It's not about ruling others, but about learning to rule ourselves and teaching others to rule themselves, in my opinion. In the end, this is our destiny, our purpose, to become aware, empowered, and self-responsible. Creating a "perfect system" where you don't consider this cannot work out.

TargeT

7th May 2013, 17:47

I think the focus should be on empowering everybody, so that everybody can unfold his potential. Everybody has got all it takes, we just gotta use our potential. It's not about ruling others, but about learning to rule ourselves and teaching others to rule themselves, in my opinion. In the end, this is our destiny, our purpose, to become aware, empowered, and self-responsible. Creating a "perfect system" where you don't consider this cannot work out.

very good points there & I agree that while efforts like "zeitgeist" and others had ulterior motives they moved me along the path to where I am now (hopefully a "good" thing) and I can't begrudge them much due to that.

we-R-one

11th June 2013, 06:34

Well I know it's been a while and I had meant to get on here sooner...in fact I had all my notes and links laid out when my computer decided to "reconfigure" even though I told it "later" by clicking on the appropriate button, I guess later was when it decided, not me..:mad2: So it deleted what I had. I did watch the movie again, and though insightful in some ways, there's also much lacking as far as explanations. All one has to do is google the movie and you will find those who point out the lack of some specifics within the movie.

After vetting several of the participants involved with Thrive I will say the one that disturbed me the most was Barbara Mark Hubbard. Like you pointed out Christian, she is soft on the Eugenics concept. For me, there are too many people being highlighted within the Thrive movement that are of the progressive mindset. Yes progressives are people too, but I assure you when you learn what a true progressive is all about, trust me, it's not in the best interest of humanity.

Back to Barbara...so I took the time to research her a little bit, when suddenly something occurred to me....since Barbara can be considered a progressive, based on her apparent belief system, if you look at the organization she co-founded and runs, it's very telling. It says to me that "they" are very aware of the fact that higher consciousness is taking place. As I looked closer I thought, omg...they're attempting to u-surp this movement! The name of the organization is called, Foundation for Conscious Evolution. You can find them here:
http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/node/9

"The initiatives of the Foundation for Conscious Evolution offer a context and container for connecting and empowering the vast global movement arising for positive change, making the efforts of this movement visible to engender greater coherence and synergy. We work on the premise that small islands of coherence in a sea of social chaos can jump the system as a whole to a higher degree of harmony and order.

By connecting and communicating what’s working, positive and innovative, the Foundation for Conscious Evolution is helping to build a new path—a “golden bridge”—to the next stage of human evolution. On that path, we look beyond the current confusion and crises to see the new capacities that are arising. We hold our unprecedented power as the means for restoring the earth, freeing ourselves from illness, hunger and war, and fulfilling the deepest aspirations of the human heart. We envision humanity arising to cocreate a future equal to our vast potential.

Our Vision

The ultimate goal of the Foundation for Conscious Evolution is the awakening of the spiritual, social, and scientific potential of humanity, in harmony with nature for the highest good of all life.

Our Mission

• To educate people in the worldview of Conscious Evolution and how to apply it in their lives, personally and socially.

• To network, connect and align individuals and groups, making visible the vast movement for positive change that is arising everywhere, and to further cooperate toward our common goal of a compassionate, sustainable future."

You know how the 'progressives' operate...they initially make it sound as it should be and then twist it to work against you. Remember Barbara is a former vice presidential candidate putting her into the category as one of the "elites". From her bio on the same website it says:
"She is a Fellow of The Club of Budapest, and has received an honorary PhD in Conscious Evolution from the Giordano Bruno GlobalShift University. In addition she was awarded the first Doctorate in Conscious Evolution by Emerson Institute. She has established a Chair in Conscious Evolution at Wisdom University Graduate School and is a member of many progressive organizations, including the Evolutionary Leaders Group and the Transformational Leadership Council. She also co-founded the Association for Global New Thought (AGNT), and The World Future Society."

Ok, I'm too lazy to go back and look but I thought I remembered these groups listed above, are involved with progressive concepts and they're all intertwined with one another. They know Christ-consciousness is taking place and they're trying to control it!

http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com/site/node/10
"Conscious evolution is the evolution of evolution, from unconscious to conscious choice. While consciousness has been evolving for billions of years, conscious evolution is new. It is part of the trajectory of human evolution, the canvas of choice before us now as we recognize that we have come to possess the powers that we used to attribute to the gods.

We are poised in this critical moment, facing decisions that must be made consciously if we are to avoid destroying the world as we know it, if we are instead to cocreate a future of immeasurable possibilities. Our conscious evolution is an invitation to ourselves, to open to that positive future, to see ourselves as one planet, and to learn to use our powers wisely and ethically for the enhancement of all life on Earth.

Conscious evolution can also be seen as an awakening of a ‘memory’ that resides in the synthesis of human knowing, from spiritual to social to scientific. Indeed, all of our efforts to discover the inherent design of life itself can be seen as the process of one intelligence, striving to know itself through our many eyes, and to set the stage for a future of immense cocreativity."

OMG, read this!......lol...ok, it's not funny, but seriously...this is extremely revealing in more ways than one, especially the first two paragraphs! I can't wait to read the rest and the links.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/marxhubbard.htm

I cannot consciously sign-off on Thrive and I cannot consciously use Thrive as an awakening tool other than to demonstrate how clever the 'progressives' really are. The problem with trying to awaken individuals with this material is they don't know how to properly vett dangerous movements. So like I've mentioned before, you're kinda sending the sheep to the slaughter house if they don't have the skill set to identify a wolf in sheep's clothing. There are plenty of other methods to utilize besides Thrive that will illustrate something is very wrong, in addition to ideas that are promoting change.

A QUOTE FROM BARBARA:
http://www.infowars.com/eugenics-quotes-from-lofty-ideals-to-highly-centralized-population-control-run-by-psychopathic-maniacs/

"Out of the full spectrum of human personality, one-fourth is electing to transcend…One-fourth is ready to so choose, given the example of one other…One-fourth is resistant to election. They are unattracted by life ever-evolving. One-fourth is destructive. They are born angry with God…They are defective seeds…There have always been defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a ‘natural death’…We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation, to take action to cut out this corrupted and corrupting element in the body of humanity. It is like watching a cancer grow…Now, as we approach the quantum shift from creature-human to co-creative human—the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers—the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body. We have no choice, dearly beloveds. Fortunately you, dearly beloveds, are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death. We come to bring death to those who are unable to know God…The riders of the pale horse are about to pass among you. Grim reapers, they will separate the wheat from the chaff. This is the most painful period in the history of humanity…"
Futurist Barbara Marx Hubbard (who wanted to create a Dept. of Peace)
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Curt

11th June 2013, 07:09

This is how I see the Thrive movement. Although, to be fair, this is how I see most movements ;)

Q5im0Ssyyus

we-R-one

11th June 2013, 17:29

This is how I see the Thrive movement. Although, to be fair, this is how I see most movements ;)

Q5im0Ssyyus

ok, I just about wet myself watching this, very funny! :pound: I swear sometimes I feel like "Charlie" when trying to tell people the truth..they can't process what I'm saying though I speak clear English. At times it's almost comical, because I don't know what's more twilight zone...what's actually taking place through acquiescence of the masses or the lack of response I get when revealing truths to people that are more educated than myself - at least on paper.

In all seriousness though, Thrive is very concerning to me as it has been cleverly packaged and sold to the public, in fact...I can't think of any other movement I've come across that's been as well disguised as this one. I realize I'm probably in the minority here with my viewpoint, we shall see in time where this goes if it goes anywhere at all. From everything I've seen 'progressives' don't participate in movements unless it supports their agenda and there are a ton and I mean a ton of 'progressive' organizations out there.

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2013, 20:20

gripreaper

16th June 2013, 20:28

Does this look like a "Dog and Pony Show" to anybody beside me?

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/969470_4948096909439_480129699_n.jpg

Curt

18th June 2013, 18:11

Does this look like a "Dog and Pony Show" to anybody beside me?

Just a bit ;)

vilcabamba

10th May 2014, 03:56

I personally don't feel that Foster Gamble is part of the Illuminati agenda. As someone that knows a whistleblower putting out info I can tell you that the dark cabal always sends people to infiltrate truth organizations. And because they have the money it is usually done with financing. The person who is bringing out truth usually is just happy to have others involved that they don't want to believe that he person that is kissing up to them is part of the dark side. I don't think Foster's energy indicates that his intentions are dark. If the dark cabal sent infiltrators then .I have to say, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. The movie is good for people who don't know what is going on. And I'm the first to usually scream that the PTB are behind something..but I do not get that impression with this movie. I'm sorry but I don't agree with the original poster on this one. I just don't see where the evil is in this movie that wakes people up to showing how the financial system and free energy is being manipulated and controlled. I just don't see it.