2 Living ETs Working With U.S. Government

[Skywizard]

I found another very interesting discussion from the Citizen Hearing Disclosure.
If it's posted somewhere else please merge...thanks

Paul Hellyer, former Minister of Defense of Canada reveals:
- Some ETs Species who have visited and still visit Earth: Zeta Reticuli , Pleiadians, Orions ETs,
- Tall Whites living on US Airforce Property
- CABAL: Military Industrial Complex, Builderbergs, Cartels
- Shadow Governments, Ruling Elite, Rockerfellers, Bush etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2RbMsasfmo

peace...
skywizard

[Lifebringer]

I ordered it on the 3rd and have a months access. Cant wait for a non busy hour or two in the garden to listen as I grow.

[Kimberley]

I ordered it on the 3rd and have a months access. Cant wait for a non busy hour or two in the garden to listen as I grow.

Lifebringer...ordered what?

[sigma6]

Great video, just love this stuff... groundbreaking... this really feels like it could go somewhere... I suppose the MSM is totally trying to create a media vacuum around it as we speak (no doubt, and we thought they would do anything to make a headline) It really feels like a huge stride for the disclosure movement... btw I don't think it is bad to have more than one thread, each one evolves into own character, and it gives the whole topic more breadth... so a couple wouldn't hurt anyone... just put links between them every dozen posts or so...

[Kimberley]

Good find ... especially since it led me to discover that there a lot of clips and also the audio of day 2,3,& 4 of the hearing posted on the Sirius Documentary youtube channel...

http://www.youtube.com/user/SiriusDocumentary/videos

I wonder why day 1 & 5 are not posted?

[tnkayaker]

pretty inspiring words, its about time someone in the loop is talking in present terms, kudos to Mr. Hellyer.

[Freed Fox]

"...lead the way in the transformation to the new reality; that we need to live in harmony with our celestial neighbors as well as seeking peace on Earth. In a word, we have to become spiritual beings, and practice the one tenet that the world's major religions have in common and that is; The Golden Rule."

May it be just so. :high5:

[waves]

I find it very curious that's he's willing to take such a lucid, firm stand on the issue of ET presence, but is still too afraid to stop lying about 911..... or is playing a role.

NO former insider of his qualifications does not know that 911 was an inside job and Bin Laden had nothing to do with it.

When this happens I read it as there's more than meets the eye. Partial disclosure, partial using the appearance of being truthful about something controversial to further embed some spin on it for future quoting.

[sigma6]

I find it very curious that's he's willing to take such a lucid, firm stand on the issue of ET presence, but is still too afraid to stop lying about 911..... or is playing a role.


It's not denial, it's diplomacy, I don't think he is denying, but avoiding predictable counter attacks and side tracking issues in response if he did mention these obvious things directly. At this stage with groups like this on the cutting edge, I think these things are a given...

step by step... so gently we go...

[Raven]

can anyone tell me where to go to get the clips of the sessions immediately following Paul Hellyer's riveting talk? this was day 5 right? thanks

[Kimberley]

Ok the archives are now available and I have to thank Lifebringer for bringing it to my attention...

http://citizenshearing.org/webcast_archive.html


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:grouphug: :peace:

[Dennis Leahy]

I find it very curious that's he's willing to take such a lucid, firm stand on the issue of ET presence, but is still too afraid to stop lying about 911..... or is playing a role.

NO former insider of his qualifications does not know that 911 was an inside job and Bin Laden had nothing to do with it.

When this happens I read it as there's more than meets the eye. Partial disclosure, partial using the appearance of being truthful about something controversial to further embed some spin on it for future quoting.
I'm with you, Waves!

Open Letter to Paul Hellyer:

If you wish to be taken seriously, that you have an overview that is important to consider in the realm of ETs and disclosure, you will take a half hour (15 minutes plus 15 minutes) to review the following 2 videos, that - unless you are mentally incapable of understanding their significance - should forever keep you from the preposterous notion that the same secret government, the same cabal you mention did not plan and execute 9/11. They did.

Major General Stubblebine on 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1ql4TfCZw

Controlled demolitions were preplanned, pre-wired in secure buildings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

Anyone who watches those two videos and ever dribbles out cabal-created disinformation nonsense about bin Ladin and his merry men is not fit to be included in a disclosure project of any sort. Not even the tooth fairy.

Sincerely,

Dennis Leahy

(and hope someone copies and forwards my words to him)

[Spellbound]

I'd be very curious to know the 1 or 2 things he mentions that he knows but that should not be in the public domain at the present time. He comes across as very credible to me. Thankyou very much for posting this video.

Dave - Toronto

[Kiforall]

I find it very curious that's he's willing to take such a lucid, firm stand on the issue of ET presence, but is still too afraid to stop lying about 911..... or is playing a role.

NO former insider of his qualifications does not know that 911 was an inside job and Bin Laden had nothing to do with it.

When this happens I read it as there's more than meets the eye. Partial disclosure, partial using the appearance of being truthful about something controversial to further embed some spin on it for future quoting.

I agree, I get the understanding that this partial disclosure is setting the way for alien intervention,offering rescue from NWO, pollution and climate issues. Providing us with free, clean energy and peaceful rule by our saviours :rolleyes:

[Kiforall]

The last comment creased me, these 'saviours' will be the intermediaries between us and the divine source.
Hang on, is that not what we apparently needed priests, vicars and churches for?

Same old story, re-packaged.

[Raven]

Hi Dennis and Waves - I think that Paul Hellyer purposely didn't talk more about 911 simply as he was focused on making use of his very limited time to speak specifically re the Citizens Hearing on Disclosure - I don't want to be too quick to judge him as like others have said, I find him very credible. I haven't read his book 'Light At The End of the Tunnel' yet but perhaps he speaks of this there? Or he will speak of it further at another more appropriate forum?

I find it very curious that's he's willing to take such a lucid, firm stand on the issue of ET presence, but is still too afraid to stop lying about 911..... or is playing a role.

NO former insider of his qualifications does not know that 911 was an inside job and Bin Laden had nothing to do with it.

When this happens I read it as there's more than meets the eye. Partial disclosure, partial using the appearance of being truthful about something controversial to further embed some spin on it for future quoting.
I'm with you, Waves!

Open Letter to Paul Hellyer:

If you wish to be taken seriously, that you have an overview that is important to consider in the realm of ETs and disclosure, you will take a half hour (15 minutes plus 15 minutes) to review the following 2 videos, that - unless you are mentally incapable of understanding their significance - should forever keep you from the preposterous notion that the same secret government, the same cabal you mention did not plan and execute 9/11. They did.

Major General Stubblebine on 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1ql4TfCZw

Controlled demolitions were preplanned, pre-wired in secure buildings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

Anyone who watches those two videos and ever dribbles out cabal-created disinformation nonsense about bin Ladin and his merry men is not fit to be included in a disclosure project of any sort. Not even the tooth fairy.

Sincerely,

Dennis Leahy

(and hope someone copies and forwards my words to him)

[thunder24]

I heard or read it somewhere that the vatican was supposed to come out with something about aleen life and something about an E.T. savior. That is the gist of it, not a quote..but i find it applicable to the timeing of "disclosure"... I will see if i can find it, pretty sure here on Avalon
The last comment creased me, these 'saviours' will be the intermediaries between us and the divine source.
Hang on, is that not what we apparently needed priests, vicars and churches for?

Same old story, re-packaged.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57640-Pope-Francis-to-announce-extraterrestrial-savior-according-to-new-book&p=656614&highlight=vatican+savior#post656614

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I find it very curious that's he's willing to take such a lucid, firm stand on the issue of ET presence, but is still too afraid to stop lying about 911..... or is playing a role.

NO former insider of his qualifications does not know that 911 was an inside job and Bin Laden had nothing to do with it.

When this happens I read it as there's more than meets the eye. Partial disclosure, partial using the appearance of being truthful about something controversial to further embed some spin on it for future quoting.

oh come on , give the guy a break . He is trying to promote peace and you come here telling us hes a conspiracy.. He said quite clearly defending the man that was assainated for 911 or did you not hear that bit ?

use common sense , would he have been able to finish his address if he went full on attacking us congress about 911 ? lok at what happened as soon as he started adressing it , they tried to cut him off.

He rubbishes the banking cartels , builderburger , tri lateral and many more stating they need to be changed for the better, they they only serve them selves , the rothchilds stated the order is only for the interests of the elite ! does that bit not sink in ?


Regardless of what you may be suspicious of the information is ground breaking and nessesary so to put a suspicion on it my friend i think makes you suspicious to my eye.

And to read the other comments on this from people who want peace and change are throwing dirt on this mans ground breaking speach ? How on earth do you guys think this info is ever going to make any change for us ? Its by getting behind it ! not to bury it in suspicion.

If you are suspicious of such a good speech then you would be suspicious of eveything.

The truth is what underlies the reasons for giving the speach is in consequential. The way to capitolise on this information is to use it as leverage !

Its out there , its been reported by a very credible person ! USE THE INFO NOW IN A POSITIVE WAY !!

Dont bury it in suspicion. My god i almost cannot believe the rubbish our alternative peace loving community has come up with.

It is truly a shame.

N
N

[Kiforall]

:yield: lol

[ghostrider]

The last comment creased me, these 'saviours' will be the intermediaries between us and the divine source.
Hang on, is that not what we apparently needed priests, vicars and churches for?

Same old story, re-packaged.

to see the source all we need is a mirror ... no priest, no king , no ruler, no guide, no helper, no watcher ... just look inside your heart ...

[Kimberley]

The last comment creased me, these 'saviours' will be the intermediaries between us and the divine source.
Hang on, is that not what we apparently needed priests, vicars and churches for?

Same old story, re-packaged.

to see the source all we need is a mirror ... no priest, no king , no ruler, no guide, no helper, no watcher ... just look inside your heart ...

I agree 1000% :hug:

[ghostrider]

the talk of ET's here now, and in the past to me trumps anything else... we know 911 was allowed to happen but , they will never admit that no matter who comes to the party ...

[sigma6]

To try and tackle 911 head on would be media suicide, unless you have 8 hours to create present your own collage of the thousands of really excellent videos floating on the internet... 911 is almost a joke. I mean really who doesn't REALLY know the basic TRUTH, I don't think that is the issue any longer... almost passe. It's like saying OJ Simpson was guilty... after the media mind control job that went down, everyone who had made up their mind had already made up their mind, and it was all based on politics, ie, whether you were Black (innocent) or non Black (guilty) or a cop (guilty) or a civvy (guilty) etc etc... 911 has become a circus... Why others think it is controversial, I will never know... (it was plain as day to me...) Anyhow we should all be grateful WE know the truth of 911, and I have no doubt that Hellyer does too, as well as millions of Americans who just don't have the balls to call it out... (Every other country on the planet knows it was a scam) but there is no way you can just start rattling off 911 truth on MSM (and this at least has the "feel" and "posture" of MSM... if not the exposure... time will tell)

and besides, Dennis, what is one or two videos? when there must be over 1000 hours of 911 exposure material... My favourite is still September Clues... because of how it exposes the media so well, (guilty!) And it's one of the very few that show the round metal coloured object that looked like a floating mine flying through the air toward the building, a round metal ball, not a plane, not a missile, a round metal ball... accidently presented on television to millions of people... forever recorded... hitting the building that was actually shown on live News... but here we go... already off topic and what have we really covered .... nothing... that's why he didn't get into it, it clearly would have been strategically inappropriate and self undermining, not to mention a big enough distraction to drive a truck through...

I am grateful that they are making progress, I thought it was really cool to see Sheehan from Disclosure Project, Richard Dolan, and Basset all sitting together... supporting the elder statesman, that is what I call progress... it was beautiful...

[InCiDeR]

...(Every other country on the planet knows it was a scam)...

I wish this was true, but sadly it isn't here in Sweden. If I would ask my family, relatives, friends and 100 other people randomly found in the street... I would be really surprised if even one of them suggested that 9/11 was a scam. A very very interesting and sad fact.

[bruno dante]

Bloody historic. I was pinching myself the entire time, wondering if what I was hearing was real.

Dennis, loved those 2 videos you posted...but I think you're being a little too hard on the old.timer ha! Awakening occurs at its own distinct pace for us all; in putting the puzzle pieces together, sometimes the obvious eludes us. Did for me, I'm embarrassed to say. Perhaps the old timer hadn't passed sep 11 101 yet, or.even taken the class. This is such old hat for the rest of us, that its hard to comprehend that other discerning minds may have missed it...but it is possible. Give him time, he'll.get.there.

[waves]

Everyone who reacted with condemnation and frustration as if I said he should have included telling the truth about 911 missed my point. I wasn't saying that.

I meant that along with the riveting and pointed summary of the alien presence, big picture and ramifications.... he INCLUDED comments still perpetuating the 911 myth. He didn't have to bring up 911, but along with all his other very crafted and carefully chosen words, he therefore very deliberately did - and lied.

For that, I decline getting on his bandwagon and put him in my wait and keep and eye on file.

[Maunagarjana]

Everyone who reacted with condemnation and frustration as if I said he should have included telling the truth about 911 missed my point. I wasn't saying that.

I meant that along with the riveting and pointed summary of the alien presence, big picture and ramifications.... he INCLUDED comments still perpetuating the 911 myth. He didn't have to bring up 911, but along with all his other very crafted and carefully chosen words, he therefore very deliberately did - and lied.

For that, I decline getting on his bandwagon and put him in my wait and keep and eye on file.

You have a point. He didn't need to bring it up at all. But him paying lip service to that myth doesn't really bother me, since it was offtopic. It's called choosing one's battles carefully.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAbFrQpfGM0


lets see if we can pick out something bad with this speech shall we ?

He seems to be following in the footsteps of Olafur Ragnar Grimsson as in growing a pair and putting his heart where his mouth is and doing something about it.

We have an in here ! what are we going to do with it ?

Write to this man , see how you can assist in change, be a part of the movement we whave been wishing for ! its not going to happen n its own.

But if you are gonna wait for something more than this your opportunity may pass you by.

N
N

[Valle]

...(Every other country on the planet knows it was a scam)...

I wish this was true, but sadly it isn't here in Sweden. If I would ask my family, relatives, friends and 100 other people randomly found in the street... I would be really surprised if even one of them suggested that 9/11 was a scam. A very very interesting and sad fact.

- I agree.., People DONT want to disuss things beside sport/entertainment/food/vacations.

[Finefeather]

...(Every other country on the planet knows it was a scam)...

I wish this was true, but sadly it isn't here in Sweden. If I would ask my family, relatives, friends and 100 other people randomly found in the street... I would be really surprised if even one of them suggested that 9/11 was a scam. A very very interesting and sad fact.

- I agree.., People DONT want to disuss things beside sport/entertainment/food/vacations.
sport/entertainment/food/vacations

And does that not tell a story?
Games...enjoyment...good nutrition...lots of time to experience the beauty of life.
Maybe the ones who are called uninformed have it all in the right place in their minds.

[Dennis Leahy]

Member "Waves" hit it in post #26 of this thread, but some may have missed it. Paul Hellyer was doing just great... then made a decision to include false commentary about 9/11. He did choose his battle - he chose to include 10 minutes of BS! He had 20 minutes to speak at the Citizen Hearing Disclosure in front of the US Congress, and of all the side issues he could have possibly thrown-in, he threw in 9/11. This was insane, regardless if he brought it up to blame the same cabal he had exposed for suppressing free energy, or whether to get into lockstep with the official USG and mass media narrative on 9/11.

He made this statement at about the 9:30 to 10:00 mark in the video:
...finance the transition from oil to {a clean economy} clean energy, because we have an infinitely silly banking and financial system in the Western world. ... and finally, they need the technology for clean energy. And it exists! And is kept secret by the same vested interests that control our destiny. Who are these vested interests, and what are they up to? Well, Senator, you were talking about a military junta*. In my opinion, that is true but I have broadened and deepened the definition to cabal.He then went on to name names of organizations that comprise the cabal, cited some references from documents and witness testimony that show the intent of this cabal as hell-bent on controlling "the Western world, the western hemisphere, and the Far East"... then after building that magnificent pyramid-shaped cake, topped it with a huge stinky turd.
(quoting the PNAC document) "...further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary changes, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor. It wasn't too long before they got their catastrophic and catalyzing event: [B]terrorists struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington on September eleventh, two thousand eleven [sic] "
...
"... almost the whole world mourned. Canada mourned. The overwhelming majority of Muslims condemned the treacherous attacks. "
...
...(regarding Bush's supposed "ignorance") "...if he wanted to hear the truth, he should have listened to Osama bin Ladin, who was well-informed concerning the origin of the fanatical hatred of the United States, which has led to such treachery. This is his version of "Every Muslim must rise to defend his religion. The wind of faith is blowing and the wind of change is blowing to remove evil from the peninsula of Mohammad...As to America, I say to you and it's people a few words: I swear to God that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine and before all the army of infidels depart the land of Mohammad..."Literally a third of Hellyer's time was dedicated to defending the bullsh!t official version of 9/11, to propping up the meme of fanatical Muslims! Why? Why in the hell did he do that? He seems sincere, so I'd like to guess ignorance, but I have a very hard time believing (eleven years later) that such a high-level official believes this nonsense. Look at the words I have highlighted in Hellyer's quoted material. If Hellyer lives in a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan and has no Internet access, then maybe he could be this ignorant.

So, at best he diluted (adulterated) his overall message by not being able to stick to the ET/Free Energy disclosure subject and adding his high-ranking testimony perpetrating the myth of Muslim extremists planning and executing 9/11.

You can love Hellyer for the beginning of his testimony. Don't allow the giddiness of that to overshadow the damage he did to 9/11 truth disclosure: the cabal planning and executing and covering up 9/11 to complete it's PNAC imperialist goals to hegemony and to bolster the (fossil fuel-based) scarcity meme.

I'm not sure if he did more damage or good. He sure got down to very specific (wrong!) details about 9/11 but what did he say about Free Energy (he didn't even call it that), he said "it exists" with nothing to back it up, even anecdotally.

Meh!

Dennis

{edit} I won't edit my words above, but should not have said "in front of the US Congress", because of course, that is wrong. This is a public, "mock" disclosure mimicking real US Congressional testimony.

[Cidersomerset]

Paul Hellyer, former Minister of Defense of Canada reveals:
- Some ETs Species who have visited and still visit Earth: Zeta Reticuli , Pleiadians, Orions ETs,
- Tall Whites living on US Airforce Property
- CABAL: Military Industrial Complex, Builderbergs, Cartels
- Shadow Governments, Ruling Elite, Rockerfellers, Bush etc.



I have heard several of his interviews and he has spoke up for UFO & ET visitations.
Though as Dennis says its odd he cannot see that 'CIADA' is all part of smoke screen.

Still its upto him what he believes, or it was not the place, and was a mistake
to even mention 9/11 on this ET disclosure platform.

I did a thread about the Tall Whites back along.

: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oY1OqVDUc8


http://www.exopoliticsohio.us/images/Tall%20Whites.jpg


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50137-XCon-2005-Charles-Hall-The-Tall-Whites-ET-Experiences-in-the-Nevada-Desert

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If this is true it is 40/50 years out of date and things have obviously advanced
since then and who knows what the black projects have now....

[Skywizard]

...(Every other country on the planet knows it was a scam)...

I wish this was true, but sadly it isn't here in Sweden. If I would ask my family, relatives, friends and 100 other people randomly found in the street... I would be really surprised if even one of them suggested that 9/11 was a scam. A very very interesting and sad fact.

I know we may be getting off the subject here but I just had to post this short video. It shows why we as Americans can't or will not believe the 9/11 conspiracy theory.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxnKunpFM_0[/url]


skywizard

[Spellbound]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAbFrQpfGM0


lets see if we can pick out something bad with this speech shall we ?

He seems to be following in the footsteps of Olafur Ragnar Grimsson as in growing a pair and putting his heart where his mouth is and doing something about it.

We have an in here ! what are we going to do with it ?

Write to this man , see how you can assist in change, be a part of the movement we whave been wishing for ! its not going to happen n its own.

But if you are gonna wait for something more than this your opportunity may pass you by.

N
N

Thx so much for this additional video. So, there was a Canadian Roswell incident in Northern Manitoba (first I've heard of this).

Dave - Toronto

[waves]

Member "Waves" hit it in post #26 of this thread, but some may have missed it. Paul Hellyer was doing just great... then made a decision to include false commentary about 9/11. He did choose his battle - he chose to include 10 minutes of BS! .........

....So, at best he diluted (adulterated) his overall message by not being able to stick to the ET/Free Energy disclosure subject and adding his high-ranking testimony perpetrating the myth of Muslim extremists planning and executing 9/11.

You can love Hellyer for the beginning of his testimony. Don't allow the giddiness of that to overshadow the damage he did to 9/11 truth disclosure: ........

Thanks Dennis, some brilliant summaries, and you went the extra mile to lay out the specifics that clarify the point I was trying to make.

I'd add that I think this is the point of being here - to really vett people and information and share our perspectives of both the truth and the red flags we see them purveying.

It's from experience that I'm done with the gullible practice of getting all excited about a feel-good message I'm happy to hear and then make excuses for/or turn a blind eye to very deliberate disinfo coming from the same person. Not to throw out the entire message because of some red flag either.

It's frequently messy, and I think our job is to dissect and spotlight the pieces of the puzzle until a clear picture emerges.

[psydney]

hi k - here's day 1, in case you haven't already found it by now ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Jm2S4MhuA

[Maunagarjana]

Why do people assume Paul Hellyer *knows* the truth about 9/11? Just because he's hip to some UFO stuff doesn't make him knowledgeable across the board. Part of the reason why the alternative community often fails to make much progress is because people habitually shoot down anyone that doesn't match their views precisely on every subject and then impute negative motivations to that person, as if each individual isn't going through their own learning process, and as if good people can't disagree on various things. Just because he doesn't hit a bullseye on everything you would have on your truther checklist doesn't mean he isn't providing a valuable service.

[Dennis Leahy]

Why do people assume Paul Hellyer *knows* the truth about 9/11? Just because he's hip to some UFO stuff doesn't make him knowledgeable across the board. Part of the reason why the alternative community often fails to make much progress is because people habitually shoot down anyone that doesn't match their views precisely on every subject and then impute negative motivations to that person, as if each individual isn't going through their own learning process, and as if good people can't disagree on various things. Just because he doesn't hit a bullseye on everything you would have on your truther checklist doesn't mean he isn't providing a valuable service.Honestly, Maunagarjana, I agree with you in principle, but what made this stick out to me was that he spent so much of his allotted time using the USG/MSM (provably false) conspiracy theory on 9/11, and secondly because it literally takes less than 7 seconds to disprove the USG/MSM conspiracy theory that he should know this information if he wants to be believed about UFO/ET disclosure. It is terribly incongruous that he would not know, and that raises a flag for me. What kind of a flag? Well, I don't think he's a deliberate disinfo agent, but he has no credibility with me at all. My checklist does not require the former Minister of Defense of Canada to believe in Atlantis, moon and mars bases, jump rooms, time travel... and a thousand other things. As minister of Defense, he has to know that the US Air Force sent a whole bunch of fighter jets to Canada on the morning of 9/11, and has to know about the "exercises" mimicking the 9/11 scenario of hijacked jets, and has to know about all the nonsensical issues with NORAD on 9/11 and has to know that a jumbo jet did not hit the Pentagon.

You don't have to be a 10-year 9/11 researcher to smell the stinky smell of the mainstream media / US government official story. Are you saying that his blathering on about Muslims and 9/11 doesn't shake his credibility at all with you? Don't you think it should? And, that if we simply "give him a pass" on information he should know, that we are acting in a sort of a "reverse prejudice" (where we want to believe him so badly about UFOs and ETs that we abandon our logic when vetting him as a witness?) It's not that he isn't hitting a bullseye on 9/11, he is shooting his entire quiver of arrows in the wrong direction.

I honestly have to say that it is not fair to gloss over the fact that the former Minister of Defense of Canada is clueless about 9/11, and used the official US government fantasy story - nearly 10 minutes of his 20-something minute testimony about UFOs - to make a point.

To illustrate the point I'm making let's pretend that he said exactly the same things about 9/11, but was called as a witness to DISPUTE the existence of UFOs and ETs - and said that he knew for sure UFOs and ETs are not real. Wouldn't we be snickering that he was either clueless or a disinfo agent?

Dennis

[kemo]

Paul Hellyer is 90 this year I believe. He was Minister of Defence in the early 60s. There is no reason to think he knows any more about 9/11 than the man in the street. Why he made a point out it - who knows. My main beef that most of his speech was reading extracts from his book. I'd have thought that was one of the first rules of speechifying - don't read from texts - or sparingly. But still glad he was able to make it and to have him on-side on some of the stuff that matters. Not just ETs, the financial/banking system he is also trying to expose. I don't think this is an argument worth having really.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Member "Waves" hit it in post #26 of this thread, but some may have missed it. Paul Hellyer was doing just great... then made a decision to include false commentary about 9/11. He did choose his battle - he chose to include 10 minutes of BS! .........

....So, at best he diluted (adulterated) his overall message by not being able to stick to the ET/Free Energy disclosure subject and adding his high-ranking testimony perpetrating the myth of Muslim extremists planning and executing 9/11.

You can love Hellyer for the beginning of his testimony. Don't allow the giddiness of that to overshadow the damage he did to 9/11 truth disclosure: ........

Thanks Dennis, some brilliant summaries, and you went the extra mile to lay out the specifics that clarify the point I was trying to make.

I'd add that I think this is the point of being here - to really vett people and information and share our perspectives of both the truth and the red flags we see them purveying.

It's from experience that I'm done with the gullible practice of getting all excited about a feel-good message I'm happy to hear and then make excuses for/or turn a blind eye to very deliberate disinfo coming from the same person. Not to throw out the entire message because of some red flag either.

It's frequently messy, and I think our job is to dissect and spotlight the pieces of the puzzle until a clear picture emerges.

I think we are missing the point.

wether this man is doing some sort of clandestine double talk or not it does not matter. Ill tell you why. 1907 JP morgan made an announcement that was completely falce. It created the great depression because everybody believed it. There was actually no problem other than the great stock people put in the information.

Now you may think this is similar but it is and isnt. This time what they are saying is real and the parts we can take advantage of are the leverages it can afford us if we get the info to the right people and enough of them,

Our short fall is we are un organised , we have no management , no team , not forward agreed agendas of change ... all the info out there now is so valuable to capitalise on .. It dosent matter if its been said on purpose to push an agenda. Trends sway with populariy and popularity is created with media coverage and spin.

SO lets create a fiction. Lets say we had an organised group of people who can get a campaign together using this information. To push OUR agendas , DeRegulate the banks for one, Dissaemble the American Assasination Party ( uS govt ) And get a movement happening.

but it wont happen will it ? cos we dont have the nouse to see a golden egg.. right in front of us.

its the debt that needs to go first.. de regulation will wake people up .. if only Tyler Durden were here , he would know what to do ...

Hmmm

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I dont think Hellier, even if he did know would say anything. uncovering 911 is so huge .. its almost impossible to uncover .. so many have tried.. its a mental block to believe your own govt would do that .. He is being smart and pusing the agendas that are important.. the future.. not the past. trying to get people indicted for genocide will end you up in a box. then how are you going to help ?

get over 911 , while you have your noses buried in red tape they are way down the road making their plans for the next one.. where will you be when it happens ?

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