Syria Nuked by Israel?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

No words if true.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/11/was-syria-nuked/

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[ Mod-edit: I moved a portion of this post, which discussed the Internet outage in Syria on May 7-8, 2013, to the separate thread discussing that: Syria cut off from Internet again (May 7-8, 2013) (Post #12) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59034-Syria-cut-off-from-Internet-again--May-7-8-2013-&p=672849&viewfull=1#post672849).

The rest of this post, all posts below so far, and the thread's title all focus on whether Israel nuked Syria, so that becomes the clear focus of this present thread. - Paul. ]

[Sidney]

This does not look good at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm7ObVSix7w&t=17

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Maybe the lightning was just an arms dump blown into the air and exploding? Not convinced this was a nuke yet.

[InCiDeR]

It seems like Syria are being played on many levels...

Turkey claims Syrian intelligence behind bombing on border

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Turkey claims wounded Syrians show signs of chemical attack

Syrian government forces appear to be continuing their shelling according to this unverified footage from Kafr Batna near Damascus.

It is not known how many died in the bombardment.

Meanwhile in the international world, momentum is growing concerning the issue of chemical weapons. Turkey’s Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu as claimed tests show signs of use on civilians.

“ Recently there were certain allegations, where in some attacks chemical weapons were being used. We took it very seriously, and from that time until now, we have been making tests for those people who are coming from this particular region, and we have some indications regarding chemical weapons being used.”

The use of chemical weapons can only intensify the plight of civilians trying to escape the violence.

A wary Washington has also said there is “strong evidence” that the US president’s ‘red line’ in this conflict had been crossed.
Source/video (http://www.euronews.com/2013/05/11/turkey-claims-wounded-syrians-show-signs-of-chemical-attack/)


EDIT: Yes, it looks like a mushroom cloud. Is the source of this video confirmed?

[Sidney]

Kinda looks like a mushroom cloud to me.:peep::peep:

[Sidney]

If there are nukes going off, I hate to think who else is going to stick their hands in the cookie jar. Is this the starting of WW3?

That video is pretty damming, I believe that is a nuclear bomb. Did you watch it to the end.?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Gorden Duff needs to confirm the source.

[Sidney]

Gorden Duff needs to confirm the source.

you are absolutely right. I have a BAD feeling about this though. I don't mean to sound like an alarmist, but this is giving me a sick feeling in my gut.

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RhTXs0iWg

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Syria NUKED by Israel? (05/05/2013)

Published on May 5, 2013

This happened last night during an Israeli air raid, looks like Israel used a low-grade nuclear bomb aka 'Bunker Buster' to destroy a Syrian military complex in the heart of Damascus. Pretty crazy footage.
- Paul. ]

[Sidney]

Bill, do you know what they were saying?

[Sunny-side-up]

I don't think it's a nuke?
Small one if it is, but a big bomb though.
I don't see any atom trails, and nothing on any main news channels yet>?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

My gut feeling is this was an explosion at some kind of military base hence all the other mushroom cloud explosions.

[Sunny-side-up]

My gut feeling is this was an explosion at some kind of military base hence all the other mushroom cloud explosions.

RGR that EYES WIDE OPEN

Total lack of emotion in the reporters voice ha

[Tesseract]

Enormous blast, but any argument that this was a nuclear weapon doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[Sidney]

My gut feeling is this was an explosion at some kind of military base hence all the other mushroom cloud explosions.

RGR that EYES WIDE OPEN

Total lack of emotion in the reporters voice ha

Here is the comment that is posted with the video.

Published on May 5, 2013
This happened last night during an Israeli air raid, looks like Israel used a low-grade nuclear bomb aka 'Bunker Buster' to destroy a Syrian military complex in the heart of Damascus. Pretty crazy footage.

[Sunny-side-up]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQDXVKitqQQ

Army base and arms depot makes big bag

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Enormous blast, but any argument that this was a nuclear weapon doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Only if you think of Hiroshima size, rather than bunker buster size. Having said that, I have looked at length into Veterans Today, and am still undecided as to whether they operate from any other agenda other than their own personal one. I always attach a caveat when I forward their articles, though their analysis of the capabilities and identity of the bushmaster rifle in the Newtown incident was spot on.

[InCiDeR]

Even if this is not a nuclear blast, I still think this is pretty serious. I mean that was quite a huge explosion probably caused by an Israeli missile/bomb.

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim Stone is also reporting that this was a nuke, in his article at IT IS OFFICIAL -- My analysis of the nuke in Syria is now proven to be 100 percent accurate (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/itsofficial.html), which begins with this image:

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/frame1.gif
Jim also references the report of Gordon Duff, reported earlier in this thread with a Veteran's Today link. Jim Stone links to Duff's article using a link to its posting in Iran's PressTV: Was Syria 'nuked'? (presstv.ir) (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/10/302772/was-syria-nuked/).

[Tesseract]

The problem is that people have conflicting concepts of what constitutes proof. I have not come across any reports of radiation levels indicative of a fission bomb being detonated.

Incidentally, the camera was about 3 km away from the blast when it occurred, based on the lag time between light and sound reaching the camera.

[Tesseract]

For those who are undecided, here are a few of reasons why Israel would not use a nuclear weapon against Syria:

1) It would mean abandoning their nuclear ambiguity
2) The USA would not provide Israel arms any more, since the USA can not legally provide arms to states that have both not signed the NPT and possess nuclear weapons.
3) It would earn the Syrian government sympathy - not something Israel or the West wants.
4) Israel would become an international pariah, above and beyond its current status.
5) Their arguments against Iran would be spectacularly undermined.
6) They would risk spreading fallout over their regional allies.

[ghostrider]

Nuclear warfare was my job in the Army from 1986 ti 1990 .. This was a low yield surface burst nuclear explosion no doubt ... over the next week the people in the surrounding areas must move upwind at least 50 miles or so , or they will get radiation sickness ... anyone in range after H+2 is going to need decontamination quickly ... you can see the debris being pulled in to the fireball, then going up into the air, artillery doesn't do that, it goes boom and blows everything outward ...

[Snoweagle]

IMO that was a nuke, battlefield grade not hiroshima grade
as far as I'm concerned the charged particles at detonation were discharged as the heavier particulates rose skyward into the atmosphere producing the lightning flashes which are not prevalent with chemical bombs
Lightning is a tell tale signature during surface/atmospheric nuclear events
I do not agree that this was a normal chemical armament explosion

[ThePythonicCow]

The problem is that people have conflicting concepts of what constitutes proof. I have not come across any reports of radiation levels indicative of a fission bomb being detonated.

Incidentally, the camera was about 3 km away from the blast when it occurred, based on the lag time between light and sound reaching the camera.

Yeah :).

I can imagine four ways to "know" it was a nuke:

Size - if it was significantly bigger than the largest known conventional bomb, then it must have been a nuke, or at least "unconventional" or "unpublicized".
Radiation - I presume that various forms of fusion, fission and combinations thereof give off characteristic radiation.
Inside information - if a trusted inside source who actually knew first hand what type of ordinance was used ("trusted" - hah).
Velocity - I presume that nuclear bombs emit faster moving explosive propellants than conventional.

I have no reliable access to any of these means in this case, with sufficient accuracy to distinguish nuclear from conventional.

[Sidney]

For those who are undecided, here are a few of reasons why Israel would not use a nuclear weapon against Syria:

1) It would mean abandoning their nuclear ambiguity
2) The USA would not provide Israel arms any more, since the USA can not legally provide arms to states that have both not signed the NPT and possess nuclear weapons.
3) It would earn the Syrian government sympathy - not something Israel or the West wants.
4) Israel would become an international pariah, above and beyond its current status.
5) Their arguments against Iran would be spectacularly undermined.
6) They would risk spreading fallout over their regional allies.

Key word, LEGALLY. Oh the US would NEVER break the law now would they? HE HE:biggrin: I personally think it was a small nuke.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's a video of a conventional MOAB bomb blowing up:
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Here's a big Russian conventional bomb going off:
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I don't see enough difference to know whether this recent bomb explosion in Damascus was conventional or nuclear, but that could easily be because I don't know what to look for.

[Tesseract]

Nuclear warfare was my job in the Army from 1986 ti 1990...

Things have slipped a bit since you left:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/08/17-stripped-of-authority-to-launch-nuclear-missiles/?iref=allsearch

[Tesseract]

A nuclear bomb was simulated with conventional explosives in Australia back in the 60s:

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[Snoweagle]

For those who are undecided, here are a few of reasons why Israel would not use a nuclear weapon against Syria:

1) It would mean abandoning their nuclear ambiguity
2) The USA would not provide Israel arms any more, since the USA can not legally provide arms to states that have both not signed the NPT and possess nuclear weapons.
3) It would earn the Syrian government sympathy - not something Israel or the West wants.
4) Israel would become an international pariah, above and beyond its current status.
5) Their arguments against Iran would be spectacularly undermined.
6) They would risk spreading fallout over their regional allies.

1. The World knows Israel is a nuclear power, nothing ambiguous about it. They've been collecting weapons of mass destruction for decades (4000yrs+).
2. Israel doesn't need to depend on the USA providing nukes or technology officially or legally, ask South Africa or Russia or Japan . . .
3. The World is sympathetic with Syria its just Israel and their masters, the Elite, in Europe aren't
4. Israel is already an international pariah across the spectrum of humanities plights
5. Iran will still be attacked by Israel but Israel appears to be charged to start a conflagration in Syria to escalate to World War status first, to earn support from others - planned op imo
6. Give over, Israel doesn't give a damn about its allies, they are Gentiles and after all that would collateral damage

This appears to be a precursor for major escalation

Recently, we have discussed the worlds missing gold. Israel would like to rebuild Solomons Temple again. The original apparently was festooned in gold especially around the chamber containing the superconductor of the Arc of the Covenant. But the Temple Mount prevents this happening as an Islamic Mosque currently stands there.
Maybe, just maybe, any retaliatory strike might just clear the Mount to serve the ambitions of Israel. I believe the anniversary of the original temple build occurs in 2016 so it really isn't to hard to imagine our futures, the worlds future during this period of escalation.

Anyway, the haggling and bartering will begin in earnest through the corridors of power and just so happens Sen John Kerry, Sec of State is doing the rounds so goodness knows what his mandate was or is.
We will have to await "evidence".

[Sidney]

Here's a video of a conventional MOAB bomb blowing up:
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Here's a big Russian conventional bomb going off:
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I don't see enough difference to know whether this recent bomb explosion in Damascus was conventional or nuclear, but that could easily be because I don't know what to look for.

Well after seeing that, I guess I am on the fence about it being a nuke. Although the lightning may be a give away characteristic.

[ghostrider]

yeah , I got out cause they were building for a war in the middle east, I left on april 3rd and three days later they invaded Iraq ...they are trying to fufill the book of revelation, a nuke explosion ? I wouldn't put it past them, stir up the muslim world and Israel goes to battle and the U.S. hand is forced ...could have been a rogue element posing as Israel's soldiers ... the same maniacs that start all the conflicts working in concert with bankers , oil men, and politicians, and lawyers, and billionaire wackos ... notice none of them have to do any shooting ...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I had premonitions last year of a terrible disaster in Syria.
My website with all those articles about Syria was taken down.
It had things in it that opposed nuclear violence, showed Trinity monument over and over.

I couldn't stop seeing Trinity monument, in my thoughts.
That the time was going to come, and soon, that there would be nuclear violence in the middle east,
and ultimately, the western world!

god be with those suffering people...

please look at this post for proof of nuclear premonition

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55643-Unfinished-Tombs-a-Look-at-Forgotten-History.-Obelisks-and-Gargantuan-Owls-Never-Built&p=633711&highlight=trinity+monument#post633711

i referenced the Khabur triangle region and the prophet ezekiel,
in the context of nuclear war


http://nuclearnuttery.blogspot.com/2012/12/june-14th-obama-signs-djed-pillar-1wtc.html

[Ammit]

I have no idea what sort of explosion this was but, either way it cannot be a good thing. I find it disturbing that with all the problems the planet faces, violence on such a scale can still be seen as the right way to sort things out.

[Sunny-side-up]

First news always conflicts!
Experts say yes was a Nuke!
Experts say No air raids! but was artillery strikes!
Experts say GBU 57 was used! but this bomb Israel carn't use it, they haven't the planes for it ? so planes from where ?
Experts say the GBU 57 to dangours cause it cracks the Earths crust?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/10/302772/was-syria-nuked/

More Proof
Colonel James Hanke, former Defense Attaché and Liaison between the Pentagon and Netanyahu’s government , reviewed the footage.
He indicated that the GBU 57 is considered too high a risk for use because of its danger to the earth’s crust.

The Syrian/African fault line spreads into Israel. Were it to be subjected to this kind of explosive power, the threat of an earthquake doing significant damage in Israel is a reality. The nuclear bunker busters have far less penetrating power and, I am not saying that this was a nuclear device, not until more evidence is in, but the ‘event profile’ shows striking similarities.

The other problem with the GBU 57 is delivery. Only two aircraft are capable of delivering this weapon, the B-52 and B-2 Stealth Bomber. Israel does not have these aircraft.
Israel and Syria sit on a fault line so. So would Israel risk using the GBU 57 if it could possibly cause Earth-quakes for them self's?

Im away from my comp today, when I get back I need to see Test vids of GBU 57's and the bunker buster nukes in action!

Anyways nothing good in any of this action what ever the bomb! :(

[Observer1964]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RhTXs0iWg

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Syria NUKED by Israel? (05/05/2013)

Published on May 5, 2013

This happened last night during an Israeli air raid, looks like Israel used a low-grade nuclear bomb aka 'Bunker Buster' to destroy a Syrian military complex in the heart of Damascus. Pretty crazy footage.
- Paul. ]

Well if this doen't make the syrians feel save than i dont know what does....:rolleyes:

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I believe Gordon is just jumping to conclusions here. It´s not the first time he does that.

As far as I know, the mushroom shape is a common characteristic to all kinds of powerful enough explosions, and the lightening may be present whenever there is a powerful enough magnetic field as well.

Also, we have to question the reason; Why would they use a small nuke while there are conventional explosives that would be much more "adequate" and "acceptable" for such kind of situations?

Looking to a blast and saying that it must have been caused by a nuclear explosion just because it´s mushroom shaped is just too simplistic and misleading.

Even kids playing with propane can make a small scale mushroom shaped explosion:

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Raf.

[Referee]

IMHO it looks to be a small nuclear explosion. I have two questions.

1. Is it possible that there was nuclear material stored inside the Syrian facility? Could that material be ignited by a missile strike?

2. What are the possible explanations for the lightning produced just after the explosion, there seem to be several.

RM is correct many munitions do produce mushroom clouds still have a problem with the lightning.

[Kiforall]

Hey folks,

I believe Gordon is just jumping to conclusions here. It´s not the first time he does that.

As far as I know, the mushroom shape is a common characteristic to all kinds of powerful enough explosions, and the lightening may be present whenever there is a powerful enough magnetic field as well.

Also, we have to question the reason; Why would they use a small nuke while there are conventional explosives that would be much more "adequate" and "acceptable" for such kind of situations?

Looking to a blast and saying that it must have been caused by a nuclear explosion just because it´s mushroom shaped is just too simplistic and misleading.

Even kids playing with propane can make a small scale mushroom shaped explosion:

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Raf.

Just wondering if the reason for using a nuke, if it infact was one, would be if the base was a biological weapons site. If it was blown up with convensional bombs the ' diseases' would be blown all over the area, a nuke would kill everything, would it not?

Or could they use this as an excuse to use a nuke?

[Praxis]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ik5K0q8 Seems relevant.
Furthermore, Tesseract: there is no ambiguity about Isfrael Nuclear program. There is about as much ambiguity there as with JFk and Monroe.
Really it should be easy to prove: post radioactivity levels.

But the details really dont matter. What matters is Israel bombed a country for no reason and is not being held accountable by the international community( as always).
If you say it does matter because of the implications of radiation, well then we should talk about DU in afghan and Iraq and we will see that it doesnt matter. People dont care. Those poor people in Fallujah

[Sunny-side-up]

Even now I still don't believe it was a nuke.

The lightning: The only lightning could have been the low level flashes in my eyes, the higher level balls looked more like air bursts?
This was a military target, arms store i believe, lots of secondary explosions.
There was also a research facility? Research for what? Dose anyone know what was going on there?

I hope it wasn't a nuke, this should not be permitted. I hope no: escalations, retaliations or planed stirring.

We must soak this up and reinforce good energies for the path.

[DeDukshyn]

My opinion is that if it was any type of nuke, it wasn't anything traditional or known. Nukes are bright like the sun - the one over Syria wasn't that bright -- it's own smoke blocked most of its own light -- this just doesn't happen with nukes because of the sheer intensity of the brightness of the blast.

I recall a testing / training survivor tell the story of how they were told to lie face down in the trench and cover their eyes (I think from a 1 mile range from the blast), and the guy said looking straight into the dirt with his hands over his eyes he could see the veins through his skin -- that how bright the blast was.

I'm much more inclined to think something along the lines of that massive MOAB (Massive Ordinance Air Blast bomb -- non nuke) the US tested about 10 years back -- the explosion looks pretty close to the same.

Here's a small nuke detonated in daylight (0:45) --- notice how many times brighter than the sun it is? The camera cannot even adjust for it. Pretty sure the one in Syria wasn't a nuke.

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[Craig]

I am leaning towards a nuke, mostly from the Jim Stone site and the reasons given there, it would be impossible to get any decent quality shot from up close and if this footage was from 4km away then it is a rather large explosion? Either way it is yet another sad day in human history and they are starting to add up now.

[Mitm]

It was a nuke guys, SyrianCommando on Twitter has links to the syrian army, thing is it was a decoy site that Israel hit, thus the low number of dead solders, etc.. according to him it was a tactical nuke... same has been used in Afghanistan & Iraq, especially the airport.. we have known for ages that Israel has these 'nuetron' bombs... Remember also, Israel didn't penetrate Syrian airspace, but flew over Lebanon...

[DeDukshyn]

Naw ... MOAB ;)

And a big one ...


I'm sure anyone with a Geiger counter would already have easily determined if it was a nuke via the vast amounts of radiation that it would throw. Moreso even, if it was neutron bomb.

I'm sure it was one of the first things done to try to attain "proof". Have there any reports of large amounts of radiation from the blast? (sry, not keeping up that well with this story)

[Vitalux]

Naw ... MOAB ;)

And a big one ...


I'm sure anyone with a Geiger counter would already have easily determined if it was a nuke via the vast amounts of radiation that it would throw. Moreso even, if it was neutron bomb.

I'm sure it was one of the first things done to try to attain "proof". Have there any reports of large amounts of radiation from the blast? (sry, not keeping up that well with this story)


Just a question......How many people have access to a Geiger counter ?

[DeDukshyn]

Naw ... MOAB ;)

And a big one ...


I'm sure anyone with a Geiger counter would already have easily determined if it was a nuke via the vast amounts of radiation that it would throw. Moreso even, if it was neutron bomb.

I'm sure it was one of the first things done to try to attain "proof". Have there any reports of large amounts of radiation from the blast? (sry, not keeping up that well with this story)


Just a question......How many people have access to a Geiger counter ?

Not hard to come by ...
http://www.geigercounters.com/Models.htm

Or if you are really tech saavy you could make one:
http://blog.makezine.com/2011/04/14/diy-geiger-counters-take-center-stage/

Bottom line --- very accessible.

[Observer1964]

I like to think it wasn't a nuke. But then, if it wasn't a nuke, how big a bomb was it. I know that to create a scale for atomic bombs they exploded 100 tons of tnt... this was multiple truckloads of tnt that had to be precisly stashed and very closely stacked with no space between the individul crates of tnt, it was quite a lot of work to create this conventional explosion, how did they drop such a load of explosives and make it al explode in a single explosion? what kind of bomb was it and how was it delivered?
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[DeDukshyn]

I like to think it wasn't a nuke. But then, if it wasn't a nuke, how big a bomb was it. I know that to create a scale for atomic bombs they exploded 100 tons of tnt... this was multiple truckloads of tnt that had to be precisly stashed and very closely stacked with no space between the individul crates of tnt, it was quite a lot of work to create this conventional explosion, how did they drop such a load of explosives and make it al explode in a single explosion? what kind of bomb was it and how was it delivered?
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I think this was posted earlier in the thread by someone else .... but probably one of these -- AKA "MOAB" = "Massive Ordinance Air Blast" weapon.

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[Harley]

To destroy a suspected bio-weapons facility located so near a major population center you would not use a conventional warhead, which would send the hazardous material into the atmosphere causing wide-spread fallout. Nor would you use a neutron warhead, which is an enhanced radiation weapon (ERW) designed for maximum killing power.

What would work great for this type of tactical scenario would be a boosted fission thermoneuclear device, which features high temperature and pressure at the center of it's explosion with a relatively negligible energy release (radiation).

One of these, of only .3 to .5 kiloton and mounted on a Bunker Buster with a timed fuse, would vaporize any bio-hazard entirely. And with the explosion taking place below ground level, the bright flash is mostly shielded from view and the majority of the shockwave and debris is directed skyward.

They've been testing and refining these weapons for many years now and we now have bombs for every occasion.

Try this one for size:

B61 Tactical Bomb Version -12 (classified), fitted with Boeing's latest Laser JDAM (Which makes it a Precision Guided Smart Bomb) (classified):

* Variable Yield (.3 to 50 kiloton).
* Delivery Platform: F-15, F-16
* Range: >15 Miles (Classified).
* Accuracy: <1.5 Meters (classified)
* Hardened Penetration: Several meters (classified).

Another view of the blast:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2I_BwdXhQ

And this one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RhTXs0iWg

Does Israel have this equipment?

Let me put it this way:

The US shares all of this equipment directly with five nations and indirectly with up to thirty nations via NATO.

Here's a few links to some publicly-released info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb

http://blogs.fas.org/security/2011/06/b61-12/

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/defense-space/missiles/jdam/index.page?

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/defense-space/missiles/jdam/docs/laser_jdam_overview.pdf

[InCiDeR]

I guess that the best evidence is that MSM say nothing about it...

[Sidney]

I still just don't understand why they cant just all get along. : ( War SUX

[Harley]

I guess that the best evidence is that MSM say nothing about it...

Another great point

Notice how quiet this has become in the news.

People were beginning to ask questions about Syria's use of bio-chem weapon's and Obama's "Red Line".
Did we ever get much more than some hemming and hawing over this from the white house?

Need I say more? Connect the dots.

[Observer1964]

I still just don't understand why they cant just all get along. : ( War SUX

If we humans were left to our selves we would get along, but we are being manipulated badly by an alien force and we are so screwed we cant even talk about aliens without fear of ridicule.

[Sidney]

I still just don't understand why they cant just all get along. : ( War SUX

If we humans were left to our selves we would get along, but we are being manipulated badly by an alien force and we are so screwed we cant even talk about aliens without fear of ridicule.
Sad but true. Although I am trying to get into the habit of thinking that we are not screwed, because if we think we are screwed, then we are screwed. We create what we think. Its not over till the fat lady sings. : )

[TargeT]

For those of you speculating it was a "MOAB" or other large conventional bomb you have to understand this: those types of bombs (ARE HUGE! And) can only be delivered by a select few air craft (due to their size); aircraft that Israel does not have.

so either it was a multinational strike (very possible) or a small tactical nuke (also possible).

[Observer1964]

Thanks Target, thats exactly what i thought.

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I still just don't understand why they cant just all get along. : ( War SUX

If we humans were left to our selves we would get along, but we are being manipulated badly by an alien force and we are so screwed we cant even talk about aliens without fear of ridicule.
Sad but true. Although I am trying to get into the habit of thinking that we are not screwed, because if we think we are screwed, then we are screwed. We create what we think. Its not over till the fat lady sings. : )
Well if enough ppl wake up, we can un-screw ourselves I think.