How to handle the police.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

This guy is fantastic! So he went for a stroll around the Grove hotel before the bilderberg meeting next month and got harassed by police.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNjJe7D090E


I took a stroll through the grounds of The Grove hotel where the Bilderberg meeting 2013 is being held. As I headed through the golf course it seemed that it was actually the security operation that was in full swing.

[etheric underground]

Top job on not relinquishing his identification... not too sure about other countries but I know here in Australia, once you
give them your ID you have entered a contract and they can then find a reason to give you a ticket or arrest you...
Great watch!!

[Fred Steeves]

Entertaining and informative little tour he took us on, very nicely done. Also very nicely done was the firm but polite manner in which he refused to "show his papers".

I'd enjoy sharing a pint or two any day with this fellow. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

[TargeT]

the guy who invited him for coffee cracked me up, haha great to see support from a random home owner there.


the camera man did an excelent job at circling back to the fact that he does not have to give any identification as he is not a suspect of any crime.

the officer didn't quite seem to get it.


Fast forward to 21:49 to see the final long confrontation with the police, a great 15 min battle of calmness and reason.

[blufire]

I didn’t watch the video but I’m assuming this guy decided he’d try to get a juicy video on the Bilderberg meeting and I’m sure was well prepared to handle the police when he was confronted (as he knew he would be).

So What? The police are the ‘bad guys’ here for doing their job? What were the police supposed to do, just let the guy waltz right in and trespass or worse?

Like it or not the Bilderberg’s have rights too and we should support their right to privacy and protection in as much as we should be afforded ours. The guy was in the wrong or pushed the line extremely hard (I’m assuming) and knew just how far he could push it.

So from where I am standing instead of saying “How to Handle the Police” perhaps we should think the police were doing their job and respected this man when he voiced his rights and they in turn respected him from that place. It was a win win scenario. They did their job.

[TargeT]

So What? The police are the ‘bad guys’ here for doing their job? What were the police supposed to do, just let the guy waltz right in and trespass or worse?
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Here's where you should have watched the video, he was walking on public land, an undercover police officer lied to him & told him it was private (later confirmed by a neighbor hood man who's house he was stopped outside of again by a patrol car and two unifomred police) He was then basically harassed for 15 solid min by police officers who admited they had no right in stopping him or asking him for his identification (on a public road as he walked) & they said they did not suspect him of any illegal activity; yet they would not let him go, he tryed to walk away, they parked and walked up to him again and kept asking him questions.

they acted like he was being unreasonable by not doing something he clearly stated he didn't want to do (and was not legaly obligated to do) & would not let him go, clear case of harassment IMO.

[Mad Hatter]

What an outstanding example of how to do this. Lessons here for all.

PS:


So What? The police are the ‘bad guys’ here for doing their job?

hmm... so the SS rounding up jews was ok in your book... after all it was legal for them to do so...

Perhaps the more subtle points of the implicit morality or lack thereof may have been a little more obvious if you had taken the time to look at the video.

just sayin...

[blufire]

So What? The police are the ‘bad guys’ here for doing their job? What were the police supposed to do, just let the guy waltz right in and trespass or worse?
.

Here's where you should have watched the video, he was walking on public land, an undercover police officer lied to him & told him it was private (later confirmed by a neighbor hood man who's house he was stopped outside of again by a patrol car and two unifomred police) He was then basically harassed for 15 solid min by police officers who admited they had no right in stopping him or asking him for his identification (on a public road as he walked) & they said they did not suspect him of any illegal activity; yet they would not let him go, he tryed to walk away, they parked and walked up to him again and kept asking him questions.

they acted like he was being unreasonable by not doing something he clearly stated he didn't want to do (and was not legaly obligated to do) & would not let him go, clear case of harassment IMO.

Okay . . . but then my mind automatically goes to . . . . the guy lied flat out and was coy on why he was walking on this particular part of land

They both lied. (I guess)

The police were there to protect the privacy of an extremely powerful family or meeting and we are supposed to be surprised or shocked the police were on high alert for very activity this man was exhibiting. They (police) were not stupid they knew he was there specifically to get ‘stuff’ on the bilderberg’s

Guy was in the wrong and lied and pushed the situation. All because of the loathing (justified) of this powerful family. He put the police in the position and pushed it.

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[TargeT]

Okay . . . but then my mind automatically goes to . . . . the guy lied flat out and was coy on why he was walking on this particular part of land

They both lied. (I guess)

Well he is under absolutely no obligation to tell anyone why he was there, he said he was there to video the garden (which he was) and left it at that (sort of hinting at the meeting in a months time, being a little coy yes, but again no legal reason you cannot be coy) he was approached twice while doing nothing to warrant being approached.

If we continue to let these type of actions be "ok" (not that he did) then we might as well just scrap our rights, let them drive up and arrest us because they don't like the way we dress or look or we are in an area that will be important in a months time.

I work with Intelligence, I know how covert observation is used, this was overt bullying show of force & use of intimidation, harassment at the least.



The police were there to protect the privacy of an extremely powerful family or meeting and we are supposed to be surprised or shocked the police were on high alert for very activity this man was exhibiting. They (police) were not stupid they knew he was there specifically to get ‘stuff’ on the bilderberg’s

Guy was in the wrong and lied and pushed the situation. All because of the loathing (justified) of this powerful family. He put the police in the position and pushed it.

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there was no family or meeting there at the time & just because the police are in a position of authority does not mean they get to violate the rights of the individual; EVER.

I fully support this video and all the actions of the videographer; we CANNOT back down from situations like this. The term I see applying here is "Tip-Toe-Totalitarianism" & you just saw (or didn't if you didn’t watch it) a video of how it happens.



Now, I do agree that the police are just trying to do what they think is right & that's why I liked the Videographer's way of handling things, no anger, very calmly explaining how they were in the wrong by repeatedly asking him for identification.


Harassment (/həˈræsmənt/ or /ˈhærəsmənt/) covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behavior intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behavior which is found threatening or disturbing

he mentioned several times that he was disturbed AND upset (I'm sure relying heavily on the definition of harassment) and the officers ignored him basically, while they " repetitively" asked him for his identification & would not let him go on his way.

If you did that to a police officer you would be arrested.

[blufire]

Okay, I watched parts of the video.

The guy is an a**hole and lied all through the video to the police why he was there. Especially when he said he turned the camera off (visually yes) but still had the sound on. Then he pushed further by going to the 'back gate'. He was there to get his 15 minutes. Show me his ‘historical video’ if that is why he was truly there.

Their suspicions were right and were (as they said) heightened by the fact he had a camera. They were polite and proper and very patient.

AND I will tell you all this. If some guy with a camera or not came waltzing right up to my back gate looking suspicious and out of place . . . .whether he is on my property or barely on the county road he would have a loaded shotgun aimed right at his suspicious ass and I would suggest strongly he move that suspicious ass on down the road at a very rapid pace or I would give him extreme motivation.

Come on people. Respect the truth from all sides not only from where you are biased.

[TargeT]

Come on people. Respect the truth from all sides not only from where you are biased.

Well we can just agree to disagree, I watched the video and since the person was there absolutely by his rights and (guess what!) since it's not illegal to lie nor is it illegal to video tape I think you are over reacting.

I see your side, I could see it more if this person was there just to harass or be an ass, but he wasn't & he didn't.

You are supporting the wrong team here legally & in my opinion, your closing statement has some interesting inference that I'll just ignore (luckily I've been to www.triviumeducation.com and learned to critically think!) I do not feel I am being bias at all here, thank you very much; however, one must be constantly vigilant to ensure that they do not slip into that very human condition, so thank you again for the reminder.

[blufire]

Come on people. Respect the truth from all sides not only from where you are biased.

Well we can just agree to disagree, I watched the video and since the person was there absolutely by his rights and (guess what!) since it's not illegal to lie nor is it illegal to video tape I think you are over reacting.

I see your side, I could see it more if this person was there just to harass or be an ass, but he wasn't & he didn't.

You are supporting the wrong team here legally & in my opinion, your closing statement has some interesting inference that I'll just ignore (luckily I've been to www.triviumeducation.com and learned to critically think!) I do not feel I am being bias at all here, thank you very much; however, one must be constantly vigilant to ensure that they do not slip into that very human condition, so thank you again for the reminder.


okey dokey . . . I look from all sides . . . in this case the guy's side, police side and bildeberger side and lastly my own. Find the balance . . . for everyone.

[Maia Gabrial]

Such polite police? I was waiting for the brutality to start.... I loved the way he handled them.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Okay, I watched parts of the video.

The guy is an a**hole and lied all through the video to the police why he was there. Especially when he said he turned the camera off (visually yes) but still had the sound on. Then he pushed further by going to the 'back gate'. He was there to get his 15 minutes. Show me his ‘historical video’ if that is why he was truly there.

Their suspicions were right and were (as they said) heightened by the fact he had a camera. They were polite and proper and very patient.

AND I will tell you all this. If some guy with a camera or not came waltzing right up to my back gate looking suspicious and out of place . . . .whether he is on my property or barely on the county road he would have a loaded shotgun aimed right at his suspicious ass and I would suggest strongly he move that suspicious ass on down the road at a very rapid pace or I would give him extreme motivation.



Oh dear. Talk about missing the point. You seem to be quite an apologist for the Police. Each to their own.
If someone I don't know came past my property, the first thing I would do would NOT be stick a gun in his face! That's very extreme.

[blufire]

Okay, I watched parts of the video.

The guy is an a**hole and lied all through the video to the police why he was there. Especially when he said he turned the camera off (visually yes) but still had the sound on. Then he pushed further by going to the 'back gate'. He was there to get his 15 minutes. Show me his ‘historical video’ if that is why he was truly there.

Their suspicions were right and were (as they said) heightened by the fact he had a camera. They were polite and proper and very patient.

AND I will tell you all this. If some guy with a camera or not came waltzing right up to my back gate looking suspicious and out of place . . . .whether he is on my property or barely on the county road he would have a loaded shotgun aimed right at his suspicious ass and I would suggest strongly he move that suspicious ass on down the road at a very rapid pace or I would give him extreme motivation.



Oh dear. Talk about missing the point. You seem to be quite an apologist for the Police. Each to their own.
If someone I don't know came past my property, the first thing I would do would NOT be stick a gun in his face! That's very extreme.


No I got the point you were trying to make . . . . something along the lines of.

Educate yourself on certain laws that you can use to harangue the police into overreacting in a stressful confrontation so you can make a great little youtube video.

He pushed it just as hard as he could and the police kept their cool and did not fall for it. He even at one point filmed himself slowly pushing the gate open hoping the officer would overreact.

The video was highly edited. Again, if he was making a ‘historical video’ where is it?

He knew security would be high at the Grove because of the bilderberg meeting and he exploited it.

There has been an explosion of radical activists that actually are more harmful than helpful because of their extreme unreasonable actions.

Exactly how did this guy’s video help anything? It only served in making the gap wider between forming a working relationship between civilians and the police.

How would you react or feel if a police officer came to your yard, stayed barely on the sidewalk and filmed you as you went about your daily personal business? How about if they then took little things you said and did and exploited and twisted them to make you look bad or that you were some sort of criminal?

It is the same.

I am not an apologist for police officers who legitimately harass or abuse and I most certainly am not going to support stupidity and outrageous behavior like this guy.

I am a single woman living in a very secluded area. If this guy came to my land and did what he did in this video you bet your sweet britches he would have a loaded shotgun aimed in his general direction or the very least I would sic my dogs on him.

I have little patience for arrogant a**holes and I am really running out of patience for these current extreme activists that make it difficult for those of us who are actually trying to work with different corporations and government bureaucracy.

I am highly involved with the coal and gas industry and specifically the increased fracking that is going on in my area. I have stickers on my pick-up truck that shows I am an organic farmer, herbalist, eco/sustainable supporter and believe in aliens. I considered taking them off my truck because of the reaction I get when I pull into drill sites where corporations like Halliburton are operating. But I left them on because for once I want them to see that not all of us are unreasonable overacting extremists. I am making large headway because I treat these guys like humans and with great respect and understanding.

[etheric underground]

BLUFIRE..... have you not gone to a public place and taken a photo?? ( the golf course where this journalist walked was public property)
Have you not walked down a main road minding your own business ( it is not against any law to video in a public place)
Did you not know that because of the Bilderberg group... most of humanity is non educated, starving, poor and without a home.
That their major priority is to minimise ( murder,poison erradicate) the population to around 200 million slaves.
that the point being raised is that these 1% of the population scum are limiting our ability to think, take action and have a say...
This wonderful gentleman held his ground because we have the right to do so...and to do so against the system( including sheep police)

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

No I got the point you were trying to make . . . . something along the lines of.

Educate yourself on certain laws that you can use to harangue the police into overreacting in a stressful confrontation so you can make a great little youtube video.


Clearly, by what you typed above, you obviously DID NOT get the point I was trying to make.
Also it was clear your mind was made up before you watched the video as you already said you disagreed with the video without actually watching it







If this guy came to my land and did what he did in this video you bet your sweet britches he would have a loaded shotgun aimed in his general direction or the very least I would sic my dogs on him.


Wow. Don't really know what to say to that.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Exactly how did this guy’s video help anything?

See title of thread and you have your answer. To spell it out, it shows how to handle the police and how nobody is obliged to answer their questions. Is that not obvious?

Whatever. I don't think we are going to agree. I will be at Bilderberg so if you are coming then we can talk about it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤





Come on people. Respect the truth from all sides not only from where you are biased.

Well we can just agree to disagree, I watched the video and since the person was there absolutely by his rights and (guess what!) since it's not illegal to lie nor is it illegal to video tape I think you are over reacting.

I see your side, I could see it more if this person was there just to harass or be an ass, but he wasn't & he didn't.

You are supporting the wrong team here legally

Well said.

[blufire]

You guys are so tunnel visioned on this that it makes me very sad and actually gives me little hope that we truly can make a difference. We have to stop polarizing situations and groups of people.

Instead of attacking attacking attacking all the time and pushing things to the absurd activist extreme. . . . find the middle balanced ground, Find the ‘common ground place’ you can work with the group you are trying to influence or change and build from there.

Stay out of ‘their’ arena and game . . . you will never win or be successful.

If I took this approach this man took with my work with the ‘fracking and gas drilling industry’ I would be absolutely NOWHERE. But at this point the riggers and field crews know me by name and welcome me on the sites . . . it has cost me several hundred dollars in a ‘specialized beverage’ we have here in the Appalachians and several whopper hangovers, but they now are actually helping me monitor water runoff and other environmentals. They listen when I voice the concerns of the ‘fracking industry’. We have a friendly sharing, working relationship and are learning from each other. I have inroads now to the higher echelons in Chesapeake Gas and Alpha Natural Resources because of the ground work I have been laying the past 2 years.

So you tell me guys . . . . which is more successful and beneficial??

[blufire]

I had another thought . . .

I have a sneaking suspicion that just like this guy made a video with the title “How to Handle the Police”

The police probably have this encounter and encounters like it on video with the title “How to Handle the Extreme Activist”.

I’m serious guys . . .we have to be better than this to move things forward from a positive place, for everyone involved.

[TargeT]

You guys are so tunnel visioned on this that it makes me very sad and actually gives me little hope that we truly can make a difference. We have to stop polarizing situations and groups of people.

Instead of attacking attacking attacking all the time and pushing things to the absurd activist extreme. . . . find the middle balanced ground, Find the ‘common ground place’ you can work with the group you are trying to influence or change and build from there.

Funny, I see the comments you have made as myopic in scope & not reflective of reality

For example, I'd like to see where the "attack" was, I saw a video of a young man that was interested in a meeting, that researched the facility that the meeting was taking place in and went to visit the site himself while videoing himself with a bit of commentary mixed in (so no attacking attacking attacking that I can see)



Stay out of ‘their’ arena and game . . . you will never win or be successful.

Hmm, since the young man was in a public area, how will one ever know when he has wondered into "their" arena? Admittedly he knowingly went were an event of some level of importance was due to happen, he knew what he was going into and that was clear from the start; but he did not do it to purposefully provoke nor was he doing anything provoking or even abnormal at the time he was harassed. Again I think you are "barking up the wrong tree". You would have a point here if he ran in, dropped trou and took a steamer on the golf course then acted violated when they tried to toss him out, the truth of the incident couldn't be further from that however.



If I took this approach this man took with my work with the ‘fracking and gas drilling industry’ I would be absolutely NOWHERE. But at this point the riggers and field crews know me by name and welcome me on the sites . . . it has cost me several hundred dollars in a ‘specialized beverage’ we have here in the Appalachians and several whopper hangovers, but they now are actually helping me monitor water runoff and other environmentals. They listen when I voice the concerns of the ‘fracking industry’. We have a friendly sharing, working relationship and are learning from each other. I have inroads now to the higher echelons in Chesapeake Gas and Alpha Natural Resources because of the ground work I have been laying the past 2 years.

So you tell me guys . . . . which is more successful and beneficial??

how many of those "fracking and gas drilling" industry individuals are carrying weapons with deadly training and paid only to stop people (you) from doing things they don't like or feel don't "fit" with their view of society (regardless of its correctness or incorrectness).

Apples and oranges here my friend, I understand the way you have pre-judged this fellow from the video but I truly think it is incorrect & your angst could be better directed elsewhere.





I had another thought . . .

I have a sneaking suspicion that just like this guy made a video with the title “How to Handle the Police”

The police probably have this encounter and encounters like it on video with the title “How to Handle the Extreme Activist”.

I’m serious guys . . .we have to be better than this to move things forward from a positive place, for everyone involved.

this coming from a person that stalks "fracking and gas drilling" sites after bribing the employees with alcohol..... haha


again, show me where the "extreme" or even "activist" exists here??

I took have a sneaking suspicion.......

You see, your recent postings have really helped highlight the angle you are taking, Humans mostly dispise in others what they fear in themselves... are you assigning this role of "extreme activist" to someone blindly because you are boarding on it yourself?

I ABHORE violence in others because I see the real potential of it in myself, I understand this strange human quality we poses but it took me a while to come to this understanding and acceptance.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The police probably have this encounter and encounters like it on video with the title “How to Handle the Extreme Activist”.



If you think an "Extreme Activist" is someone standing up for their rights then I pity you. You seem to have bought into the idea that we have no rights and should give them up without a battle. If that guy was an
"Extreme Activist" as you say, then what is your term for a violent activist I wonder?

[etheric underground]

Let me reiterate BLUFIRE my last statement...it is not polarisation it is fact.
The Bilderberg group Objectives

The Group’s grand design is for “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace, policed by one world army, and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” Their “wish list” includes:

– “one international identify (observing) one set of universal values;”

– centralized control of world populations by “mind control;” in other words, controlling world public opinion;

– a New World Order with no middle class, only “rulers and servants (serfs),” and, of course, no democracy;

– “a zero-growth society” without prosperity or progress, only greater wealth and power for the rulers;

– manufactured crises and perpetual wars;

– absolute control of education to program the public mind and train those chosen for various roles;

– “centralized control of all foreign and domestic policies;” one size fits all globally;

– using the UN as a de facto world government imposing a UN tax on “world citizens;”

– expanding NAFTA and WTO globally;

– making NATO a world military;

– imposing a universal legal system; and

– a global “welfare state where obedient slaves will be rewarded and non-conformists targeted for extermination.”

Obviously you are happy with these objectives to not understand the rest of us supporting the little guy?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808

[etheric underground]

To TARGET,INCIDER and EYES WIDE OPEN.......much respect.

[Mike Gorman]

The young man was interested in the location of the Bilderberg meeting; he committed no offence walking through
a public thoroughfare through the grounds of a Hotel, and historical location that anyone can visit-he was carrying a camera (Video)
and was speaking, with headphones on-he has the perfect right to do these things, he is not hurting anyone, or posing a nuisance-
and yet the hired militia on hairpin trigger mode accost him. Look, we have to be sensible about this, we don't have to show our papers
to the Gestapo yet, we are 'free citizens' ostensibly, and we should not budge one inch away from these freedoms-otherwise we are indeed lost, and the next thing we turn a blind eye to
round ups of 'undesirables' being bundled off in wagons-and people start being 'disappeared'-small triumphs are triumphs of significance.

[blufire]

Okay I just wasted 30 minutes of my time watching ‘Sams’ video again and everything I stated in all my previous posts stand.

He went there as an antagonist and activist and to show his prowess in ‘handling the police’. He states right off the bat that he is not rich like Alex Jones and has to walk to get the Grove to make his little youtube video.

I will apologize to you Eyes Open Wide because I have a sneaking suspicion that because of this comment . . . .



Whatever. I don't think we are going to agree. I will be at Bilderberg so if you are coming then we can talk about it.

. . . . that you are ‘Sam”

Again I ask what did “sam’ accomplish? Yes he showed how to be informed enough and how to push the line just far enough before he would be arrested.

I will tell you what he has really done is to make people like me who are working their asses off to actually get positive effective change accomplished job extremely difficult if not damn near impossible.

It took me a year with hundreds of hours of surveillance and research and collecting samples to have enough data and information before I then began forming a relationship with the riggers in the field.

If I had barged in on these remote drill rig sites with a camera and asshole attitude like ‘sam’ I would not be around to be able to accomlish the work I am doing now.

TargeT I laughed so hard when you said . . . .


how many of those "fracking and gas drilling" industry individuals are carrying weapons with deadly training and paid only to stop people (you) from doing things they don't like or feel don't "fit" with their view of society (regardless of its correctness or incorrectness).

This little comment shows how very ignorant you really are in doing actual boots on the ground work with the massive corporations. Yeah the fracking and drilling guys are heavily armed and I have been met many times with a guy with a high powered rifle by his side. So don’t patronize me. These guys are not only heavily armed but have absolutely NO qualms in using them and burying the evidence in these rugged mountains.

Eyes Open Wide I just noticed your thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58108-Bilderberg-2013-in-London--June-6-9th/page3

I do hope your meet up with like minded people and Avalonians goes well. I also would appreciate feedback in the future of what this event that is being planned actually and truly accomplishes in an positive light and other than to fuel other activists to exhibit the same arrogant behavior as ‘sam’ did and to further polarize groups of people against one another. I noticed you have a video of ‘sam’ on this thread as well and the word ‘provocateur’ in the title . . . so you admit the very thing I have been saying all along . . . he is an activist and antagonist.

How can you expect respect when you show no respect?

And yes the Grove is hiring actual police officers as security for this event. I have done this very thing myself when planning large events that I know would need trained security. Who else would I hire? Joe Blow or how about 'Sam' off the street?

And yes . . . I’m pissed and frustrated.

[blufire]

The young man was interested in the location of the Bilderberg meeting; he committed no offence walking through
a public thoroughfare through the grounds of a Hotel, and historical location that anyone can visit-he was carrying a camera (Video)
and was speaking, with headphones on-he has the perfect right to do these things, he is not hurting anyone, or posing a nuisance-
and yet the hired militia on hairpin trigger mode accost him. Look, we have to be sensible about this, we don't have to show our papers
to the Gestapo yet, we are 'free citizens' ostensibly, and we should not budge one inch away from these freedoms-otherwise we are indeed lost, and the next thing we turn a blind eye to
round ups of 'undesirables' being bundled off in wagons-and people start being 'disappeared'-small triumphs are triumphs of significance.


:bs:

Be logical and have a little common sense on what actually happened in this video

[Sunny-side-up]

Respect to SAM. He is a cool, calm guy. He had it in mind to go see what negative reaction he would receive by going to a public heritage area where a Builderberg meeting was to happen in a month or so's time. Not at the time of the meeting , not even near!
Now i watched this Vid back when it was first posted, to my memory I don't remember seeing any "Private" or " Keep Out" signs ? and the plain clothed police officer did not reference as it being so!
Sam had every right to be there. He wasn't asked to be searched to which he refused. If he was so threatening why not ask to search him?

In my eye's badly handled by the police, quite a shambles. The total other can be said of SAM the man :)

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Okay I just wasted 30 minutes of my time watching ‘Sams’ video again and everything I stated in all my previous posts stand.


I am glad to see you are in the minority in this thread and your views have gained no traction.



He went there as an antagonist and activist and to show his prowess in ‘handling the police’. He states right off the bat that he is not rich like Alex Jones and has to walk to get the Grove to make his little youtube video.



What has being an activist got to do with not being rich? I see no link between the two. I don't understand your point.



I will apologize to you Eyes Open Wide because I have a sneaking suspicion that because of this comment . . . .



Whatever. I don't think we are going to agree. I will be at Bilderberg so if you are coming then we can talk about it.

. . . . that you are ‘Sam”


Hi. Thanks for the offered apology but you really don't need to apologise for your own views.
Also, I am not sam. :)
I have been posting Bilderberg stuff in the other thread for a few weeks as I am involved in helping with the press desk. (see my most recent post in that thread for details)




I will tell you what he has really done is to make people like me who are working their asses off to actually get positive effective change accomplished job extremely difficult if not damn near impossible.

It took me a year with hundreds of hours of surveillance and research and collecting samples to have enough data and information before I then began forming a relationship with the riggers in the field.

If I had barged in on these remote drill rig sites with a camera and asshole attitude like ‘sam’ I would not be around to be able to accomlish the work I am doing now.


Apples and oranges.



Eyes Open Wide I just noticed your thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58108-Bilderberg-2013-in-London--June-6-9th/page3

I do hope your meet up with like minded people and Avalonians goes well. I also would appreciate feedback in the future of what this event that is being planned actually and truly accomplishes in an positive light and other than to fuel other activists to exhibit the same arrogant behavior as ‘sam’ did and to further polarize groups of people against one another.


Had you read the last post I made in the thread above, you will see very easily what we are trying to accomplish.



I noticed you have a video of ‘sam’ on this thread as well and the word ‘provocateur’ in the title . . . so you admit the very thing I have been saying all along . . . he is an activist and antagonist.

How can you expect respect when you show no respect?


What on Earth are you talking about? You have stopped making sense. How does the word ‘provocateur’ suddenly mean that I suddenly agree with you? How did you work that one out? Its nonsensical.

I give up. Sigh. Lets agree to disagree shall we?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The young man was interested in the location of the Bilderberg meeting; he committed no offence walking through
a public thoroughfare through the grounds of a Hotel, and historical location that anyone can visit-he was carrying a camera (Video)
and was speaking, with headphones on-he has the perfect right to do these things, he is not hurting anyone, or posing a nuisance-
and yet the hired militia on hairpin trigger mode accost him.
Look, we have to be sensible about this, we don't have to show our papers
to the Gestapo yet, we are 'free citizens' ostensibly, and we should not budge one inch away from these freedoms-otherwise we are indeed lost, and the next thing we turn a blind eye to
round ups of 'undesirables' being bundled off in wagons-and people start being 'disappeared'-small triumphs are triumphs of significance.


:bs:



What good reason is there for calling the above bull****? I can think of none at all.
But that really is it for me on this thread. I am going to put my time into positive things.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I know iI said I would not post in this thread again, but the guy in the original video I posted in this thread has responded to claims that he is some kind of undercover agent as some in this thread have suggested. Those people should watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ob19MT1rx4

[TargeT]

I wonder if there is a leylines convergence on the "grove" grounds; that was an interesting last 20 seconds or so of the video, of course completely unsubstantiated but tied in with everything else it has some small significance worth further checking.

anyway, if you have a map of leylines (which seems like it would be hard to have, I would assume they are somewhat mobile if they are just magnetic in nature as I suspect) it would be interesting to check that site against one of those maps. (I don't have a leyline map nor know where the "grove" is myself & clearly aren't motivated enough to find either... haha)


Sam's random musings on video are educational and entertaining, I've watched a few more of his & hope he does well, I especially like that he didn't fawn over the invitation to Alex Jones.

[Bongo]

TargeT you are right it is located very close to a leyline about 15 miles from this map here, the leyline is called St Michaels Ley

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/English%20pics/stmichaelsmap.gif

The St. Michael's Leyline follows the path of the Sun on the 8th May (The spring festival of St. Michael).

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/leylines.htm




The fact it took so long for us to realise that astronomy was in any way involved with megalithic culture is almost as surprising as the fact that it was ever forgotten. Although there has been a traditional resistance to this theory from the scientific establishment, we live in a time when it is finally accepted that many of the larger megalithic constructions were designed so as to be able to accurately identify celestial objects or measure their cycles.

The clear link between megaliths and astronomy can also be said for megaliths and ley-lines, as they are often found to be prime ley-markers, and intersections of several ley-lines (i.e., Arbor-Low, Avebury, Stonehenge etc).

One of the largest Leys in England, the so-called St. Michaels Ley, is aligned along the path of the sun on the 8th of May (The spring festival of St. Michael) and can therefore be considered astronomical. This line passes through several megalithic sites before it reaches Glastonbury, (artificially shaped to follow the direction of the ley), and then on to the Avebury/Silbury complex, both significant English landscape features.

The St. Michael's ley has been shown to be inter-related with several other prominent British megaliths through geometry, astronomy and an apparent knowledge of longitude/latitude, not least of all to Stonehenge. Stonehenge, whilst not being a part of the St. Michael ley, is connected with both Glastonbury and Avebury/Silbury through geometry, and also forms the crossing point of several prominent ley-lines - both astronomical and non-astronomical. The first astronomically significant ley-line to pass through Stonehenge was first identified by Sir Norman Lockyer, and later extended to 22 miles in length by K. Koop. This ley follows the path of the mid-summer sunrise on a bearing of 49° 15'. (2) Another significant ley-line to pass through Stonehenge was also identified by Lockyer, and can be shown to extend accurately for 18.5 miles. It skirts only the edge of the henge at the junction of the avenue, missing the centre (and the sarsen stones) altogether. This line runs on a bearing of 170° 45', and appears to have no astronomical significance.

The alignments at Stonehenge therefore appear to offer a fusion of funerary, astronomical and geometric practices, simultaneously connecting three of the most significant locations in southern England. Glastonbury, Stonehenge and Avebury/Silbury, which all align to create a perfect right-angled triangle, accurate to within 1/1000th part. It is from this historic starting point that we can begin unravelling the complexity of prehistoric geometry of the British landscape.

[mahalall]

amicable respect on both sides,
Credit to both parties

no need to vocalise this card
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/complaints.aspx

[AriG]

I had special forces at my door in April. It was a very weird day. I was sitting in my kitchen, on my computer about 4 pm. I was having a glass (or three) of wine and was probably a little bit tipsy. I had just received a phone call from my doctor that I had been diagnosed with an auto-immune disorder that had been making me very sick ( Hashimoto's). I was so sick in fact, that I hadn't showered and I couldn't remember whether I had even brushed my teeth. Iam certain that I looked like the uni-bomber. Suddenly, my indoor dogs start barking. I hear men's voices. I round the corner to the front door to see black flap jackets and machine guns. I am thinking, "ok, this is it..." and I go out onto the front deck to be questioned about the whereabouts of my husband. As it turned out, someone placed some threatening phone calls to a government official within 200 yards of my property and the cell phone pinged to my address. I am ashamed to admit that I did not handle it very well. My property and civil rights were violated and it took a terrible toll on my declining health that day. It would behoove everyone to think in advance how one might handle such situations, as they are going to become far more frequent, unfortunately. I would be happy to share more details of my experience if anyone is interested, but the moral here, I think, is to be vigilant and never ever let them walk all over you, even at your weakest moment.

[mahalall]

This is being distributed amongst the community in the north west of England.

knH51LX1e8Y

[eric charles]

Its funny howw those pigs know nothign about the law , and just regurgitate the bile over and over again ," Im just trying to do my job " , Back peddling , Im sure if that guy would not have his camera with him , they would have tackled him and thrown him in jail . Good job !

In America and Canada, they just tackle you no matter lol

[eric charles]

This is being distributed amongst the community in the north west of England.

knH51LX1e8Y


This was epic , I laughed hahahaha , " go away with your Bacon breath " bwuahahaha . This man treats the Po'po's the same as me , and guess what it WORKS . If they have nothing on you , no warranst or stuff , theres nothing they cAN DO !

[cosmickitten]

This is without doubt the best time I've had all week, I am still giggling, thank you for posting this. Here in American we would have been body slammed, handcuffed, hauled off to jail for who know what and held for a day or too just because. Ya'all are so darn nice to each other in your banter that it almost looks like a comedy commercial for the bobbies or police. Some of the police departments around America might learn a thing or two here. Thanks again that was fun.

[Siegfried The 7]

In the U.S., that gentleman would've had the tar beat out of him as well as been arrested and if he happened to be black, he'd probably be dead with some bs threatening action being the cause of his death. Like holding a puppy, walking away, or having a hooded sweatshirt. *sarcasm intended*:rolleyes:

[cosmickitten]

Well like I say here in America I would have been arrested for crazy and hauled off, think I'll give it a try if my camera isn't confiscated and wiped. But loved the video, point made and taken. Good job.