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ThePythonicCow
17th May 2013, 06:39
Almost unmentioned (except for here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19920-Discussion-about-high-quality-water-and-why-it-s-good-for-muscles) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-&p=661999&viewfull=1#post661999)) previously on this forum, I just came across the work of Gerald H. Pollack, who has been researching, studying and teaching about the structure of water and its roles in living molecules for decades now.

He has some more results out, which he presented in a talk at the Electric Universe 2013 conference, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Jan 3-6, 2013:

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With this he also has another book out, available from the publisher at The Fourth Phase of Water Beyond Solid, Liquid, and Vapor (http://www.ebnerandsons.com/products/the_fourth_phase_of_water), or from Amazon here (http://amzn.com/096268953X).

If you go to the above publishers link, you can find some sample chapters available to read for free in this pdf: The Fourth Phase of Water: Sample Chapters (http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0161/7154/files/FOURTH_PHASE_SAMPLE.pdf?1585).

Pollack demonstrates the properties of the fourth phase of water with a variety of easily understood and replicated science experiments. He has a knack for explaining things in a way that is a pleasure to listen to or read, and that makes good sense.

Here is an image from the Sample Chapters pdf linked above, showing the structure of this fourth phase of water. "EZ" stands for "Exclusion Zone", the fourth phase of water, so named because most water soluble compounds are excluded from water in this phase.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Fourth_Phase_of_Water_Gerald_Pollack.jpg

It turns out that water has a much more interesting role in life than traditional chemistry recognizes.

Take a look - this is good stuff!

araucaria
17th May 2013, 07:28
Thanks Paul, looks interesting. I need to check it out if only to see why that honeycomb sheet seems to have as many oxygen as hydrogen atoms?! :)

ThePythonicCow
17th May 2013, 08:05
Thanks Paul, looks interesting. I need to check it out if only to see why that honeycomb sheet seems to have as many oxygen as hydrogen atoms?! :)

Yes - EZ water has "too few hydrogen atoms" :)

Whereas bulk water and ice both have two hydrogen per oxygen (hence the molecule H2O), EZ water has only one hydrogen per oxygen. EZ water forms in a thin layer adjacent to a hydrophilic (water loving) surface. The extra hydrogen atoms are driven away from the EZ layer, into the surrounding bulk water, forming a surplus of hydronium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium) atoms within the bulk water. The EZ water ends up with a net negative charge, and the surrounding bulk water a net positive charge, due to this migration of (positively charged) hydrogen nuclei (aka protons) from the EZ layer into the surrounding water.

ThePythonicCow
17th May 2013, 08:30
Thanks Paul, looks interesting. I need to check it out if only to see why that honeycomb sheet seems to have as many oxygen as hydrogen atoms?! :)



Whereas bulk water and ice both have two hydrogen per oxygen (hence the molecule H2O), EZ water has only one hydrogen per oxygen.
Correction - not the same number of hydrogen as oxygen atoms.

Notice that the oxygen atoms are "shared", at the corners of the hexagon shapes, with adjacent hexagons, but the hydrogen atoms are dedicated, one for each side of the hexagon.

The end result is 3 oxygen for every 2 hydrogen.

araucaria
17th May 2013, 09:12
Thanks Paul, looks interesting. I need to check it out if only to see why that honeycomb sheet seems to have as many oxygen as hydrogen atoms?! :)



Whereas bulk water and ice both have two hydrogen per oxygen (hence the molecule H2O), EZ water has only one hydrogen per oxygen.
Correction - not the same number of hydrogen as oxygen atoms.

Notice that the oxygen atoms are "shared", at the corners of the hexagon shapes, with adjacent hexagons, but the hydrogen atoms are dedicated, one for each side of the hexagon.

The end result is 3 oxygen for every 2 hydrogen.

Isn't it the other way round? I think he said it was H3O2 :confused:

Fascinating stuff anyway, particularly with regard to water as an energy source. Breatharians seem to have got it wrong if they think they are living on fresh air - it's more like fresh sunlight.

ThePythonicCow
17th May 2013, 09:21
Isn't it the other way round? I think he said it was H3O2 :confused:
Aha - right you are - here's the first of the two videos, queued up to the point where he says H3O2, as you heard: http://youtu.be/JnGCMQ8TJ_g?t=19m31s
(http://youtu.be/JnGCMQ8TJ_g?t=19m31s)

araucaria
17th May 2013, 10:01
Isn't it the other way round? I think he said it was H3O2 :confused:
Aha - right you are - here's the first of the two videos, queued up to the point where he says H3O2, as you heard: http://youtu.be/JnGCMQ8TJ_g?t=19m31s
(http://youtu.be/JnGCMQ8TJ_g?t=19m31s)

Thanks again Paul, I'll be ordering this book for sure. Water is a great down-to-earth way to popularize all sorts of esoteric stuff, I reckon.

As as non-chemist, I would have a couple of questions re 'isotopes' of water (wrong word I know). If EZ water H3O2 is a bridge between bulk water and ice, would heavy water, H2O2 be some sort of a bridge too, and if so, between what and what? And mightn't it be worth investigating the possible manufacture and properties of other varieties such as H3O3 or above?

PS: had this in another window just now: http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/gustave-courbet/the-source-bather-at-the-source-1868

Ontarioguy
17th May 2013, 23:07
Please forgive me for posting this in here..but I cannot seem to post a new thread, so I added this here as my third link deals with the OLDEST KNOWN FOUND WATER IN THE WORLD .....right here in my backyard !!! ???

onto a new topic and on todays date of May17/2013,I noticed this in today's online local media page....go figure!

http://video.theloop.ca/home/watch/c.../2385171419001


As well as....

http://www.theloop.ca/news/ctvnews/a...western-Quebec

and last but not least this interesting tidbit....one again go figure!!


http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05...-ontario-mine/


Wonder if they ( scientists ) will figure out that there could be "reptoids" livin down there hehehe ????

ThePythonicCow
18th May 2013, 03:16
Please forgive me for posting this in here..but I cannot seem to post a new thread,

You should be able to post new threads. Perhaps you are trying to post in one of the few sub-forums that doesn't allow new threads?

Try going to this link General Discussion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?3-General-Discussion) and clicking on the [ +Post New Thread ] button (left side, near top) next time you want to post a new thread. It should work!

onawah
18th August 2013, 19:08
" EZ water—EZ standing for “exclusion zone”—which has a negative charge. This water can hold energy, much like a battery, and can deliver energy too."

The Fourth Phase of Water - What You Don’t Know About Water, and Really Should August 18, 2013
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/18/exclusion-zone-water.aspx?e_cid=20130818Z1_SNL_Art_1&utm_source=snl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130818Z1

By Dr. Mercola

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Water is clearly one of the most important factors for your health—especially when you consider that your body actually consists of over 99 percent water molecules! I sincerely believe water is a really underappreciated part of the equation of optimal health.

I’ve previously interviewed Dr. Gerald Pollack, who is one of the leading premier research scientists in the world when it comes to understanding the physics of water, and what it means to your health.

Besides being a professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington, he’s also the founder and editor-in-chief of a scientific journal called Water, and has published many peer-reviewed scientific papers on this topic. He’s even received prestigious awards from the National Institutes of Health.

His book, The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Solid, Liquid, and Vapor, is a phenomenal read that is easy to understand even for the non-professional.

It clearly explains the theory of the fourth phase of water, which is nothing short of ground-breaking. The fourth phase of water is, in a nutshell, living water. It’s referred to as EZ water—EZ standing for “exclusion zone”—which has a negative charge. This water can hold energy, much like a battery, and can deliver energy too.

For years, Dr. Pollack had researched muscles and how they contract, and it struck him as odd that the most common ideas about muscle contraction do not involve water, despite the fact that muscle tissue consists of 99 percent water molecules.

How could it be that 99 percent of the molecules were ignored? How could it be that muscle contracts without involving the water in some way? These questions help catalyze his passionate investigation into water.

So You Think You Understand Water?

Gilbert Ling, who was a pioneer in this field, discovered that water in human cells is not ordinary water (H2O), but something far more structured and organized.

“I began to think about water in the context of biology: if water inside the cell was ordered and structured and not bulk water or ordinary water as most biochemists and cell biologists think, then it is really important,” Dr. Pollack says.

Dr. Pollack’s book also touches on some of the most basic features of water, many of which are really not understood. For example, how does evaporation take place? Why does a tea kettle whistle? Also, despite the fact that conventional science tells us freezing is supposed to occur at zero degrees Celsius, experiments show that it can freeze in many different temperatures down to minus 50 degrees Celsius. There’s actually no one single freezing point for water! Other experiments show that the boiling point of 100 degrees Celsius (or 212 degrees Fahrenheit) does not always hold true either.

“There’s a famous website1 put together by a British scientist, Martin Chaplin. Martin lists numerous anomalies associated with water,” Dr. Pollack says. “In other words, things that shouldn’t be according to what we know about water... The more anomalies we have, the more we begin to think that maybe there’s something fundamental about water that we really don’t know. That’s the core of what I’m trying to do. In our laboratory at the University of Washington, we’ve done many experiments over the last decade. These experiments have clearly shown the existence of this additional phase of water.”

The reason this fourth phase of water is called the exclusion zone or EZ is because the first thing Dr. Pollack’s team discovered is that it profoundly excludes things. Even small molecules are excluded from EZ water. Surprisingly, EZ water appears in great abundance, including inside most of your cells. Even your extracellular tissues are filled with this kind of water.

The Water in Your Cells Give Them Their Negative Charge

Other inherent differences between regular water and EZ water include its structure. Typical tap water is H2O but this fourth phase is not H2O; it’s actually H3O2. It’s also more viscous, more ordered, and more alkaline than regular water, and its optical properties are different. The refractive index of EZ water is about 10 percent higher than ordinary water. Its density is also about 10 percent higher, and it has a negative charge (negative electrical potential). This may provide the answer as to why human cells are negatively charged. Dr. Pollack explains:

“Everybody knows that the cell is negatively charged. If you insert an electrode into any of your cells, you’ll measure a negative electrical potential. The textbook says that the reason for this negative electrical potential has something to do with the membrane and the ion channels in the membrane.

Oddly, if you look at a gel that has no membrane, you record much the same potential – 100 millivolts or 150 millivolts negative. The interior of the cell is much like a gel. It’s kind of surprising that something without a membrane yields the same electrical potential as the cell with a membrane.

That raises the question: where does this negativity come from? Well, I think the negativity comes from the water, because the EZ water inside the cell has a negative charge. The same is true of the gel—the EZ water in the gel confers negativity. I think the cells are negatively charged because the water inside the cell is mainly EZ water and not neutral H2O.”

What Creates or Builds EZ Water?

One of the greatest surprises is that the key ingredient to create EZ water is light, i.e. electromagnetic energy, whether in the form of visible light, ultraviolet (UV) wavelengths and infrared wavelengths, which we’re surrounded by all the time. Infrared is the most powerful, particularly at wavelengths of approximately three micrometers, which is all around you. The EZ water can build on any hydrophilic or water-loving surface when infrared energy is available.

It builds by adding layer upon layer of EZ water, and can build millions of molecular layers. This is how it occurs in nature. For example, ice doesn’t form directly from ordinary H2O. It goes from regular water to EZ water to ice. And when you melt it, it goes from ice to EZ water to regular water. So EZ water is an intermediate state.

“Glacial melt is a perfect way to get EZ water. And a lot of people have known that this water is really good for your health,” Dr. Pollack says.

Testing water samples using a UV-visible spectrometer, which measures light absorption at different wavelengths, Dr. Pollack has discovered that in the UV region of 270 nanometers, just shy of the visible range, the EZ actually absorbs light. The more of the 270 nanometer light the water absorbs, the more EZ water the sample contains. EZ water appears to be quite stable. This means it can hold the structure, even if you leave it sitting around for some time. Water samples from the river Ganges and from the Lourdes in France have been measured, showing spikes in the 270 nanometer region, suggesting these “holy waters” contain high amounts of EZ water. According to Dr. Pollack, there’s compelling evidence that EZ water is indeed lifesaving...

EZ Cellular Water Helps Explain Health Benefits of Light and Heat Therapies

Heating equates to applying infrared energy, and Dr. Pollack has found that if you apply infrared, the EZ water builds and doesn’t diminish. The implications of this are profound when you consider the health benefits of sitting in an infrared sauna, for example. Essentially, one of the reasons why infrared saunas make you feel so good is because your body’s cells are deeply penetrated by infrared energy, which builds and stores EZ water. The same goes for light therapy, spending time in the sun, and laser therapy.

“There are various kinds of light therapy using different wavelengths. We found that all wavelengths – some in particular – of light, even weak light, build EZ. If EZ is critical for the health of your cells, which I think is clear, these therapies have a distinct physical chemical basis,” Dr. Pollack explains.

EZ water also provides a mechanism that explains other biological mysteries. For example, Dr. Pollack describes another fascinating finding that further bolsters our understanding of the mechanism of action behind the health benefits of something as simple as exposing your body to the light and heat of the sun:

“We found that if we put a simple tube, like a straw, made of hydrophilic material, in water... there’s water flow through the tube at high speed. This happens spontaneously. But it shouldn’t happen spontaneously. The common idea is that if you want to drive fluid through a pipe or tube, you need to apply pressure. But we have no pressure here. There’s no pressure difference between the input and output. But flow builds up spontaneously, and it keeps going.

Recently, we found that if we add light, the flow goes faster. It means that light has a particular effect; especially ultraviolet light, but other wavelengths as well. It speeds up the flow. We think that somehow the exclusion zones (EZs) are involved because inside those tubes, there’s a little annular ring of exclusion zone, and inside that is an area full of protons... It seems that the exclusion zone and the pressure of these protons are driving the flow.”

Now, let’s apply these mechanisms to your body. Your capillaries receive radiant energy from outside all the time. Energy is also received from the inside of your body, as metabolic reactions continuously generate heat or infrared. So the question is, is it possible that the flow of blood occurring through your capillaries is automatically enhanced by exposure to light? It appears the answer may be yes...

“This is an important issue because the capillaries are puzzling,” Dr. Pollack says. “They’re so small. Some of the capillaries are smaller in diameter than the red blood cells that pass through them. Any competent engineer would never build a pipe that’s smaller than the junk that’s supposed to go through. But nature, apparently, has done that...

Now, that means there’s a lot of resistance. You need something to push those red blood cells through... One possibility is that the flow in your capillaries is aided by this kind of radiant energy... We’re starting to test this... It’s possible that your cardiovascular system is assisted by radiant energy in the same way that the flow in the tubes is assisted by radiant energy.”

One of the more interesting healing modalities I’ve been exploring lately is the use of a high-powered laser. The K-Laser also has frequencies in the infrared range, which can deeply penetrate tissue. This kind of laser therapy has shown to provide profound healing for many painful injuries in a very short amount of time—sometimes just minutes of treatment. While the benefits of laser therapy are thought to be due to its action on mitochondrial activity, it may very well be that the benefits are also related to “recharging” your damaged cells’ EZ water, as well as promoting increased capillary blood flow.

EZ water in your body also plays a role is in hyperbaric medicine, which is also good for injuries. In that case, your tissues are exposed to high oxygen under pressure.

“The results are in. We think we understand the mechanism as to why hyperbaric oxygen is so effective for wound healing... EZ water has a higher density than bulk water. If you take H2O and you put it under pressure, it should give you H3O2 because the EZ structure is denser than the H2O. We did the experiments and we found, indeed, that’s the case. If you put H2O under pressure, you get more EZ water.”

The same goes for oxygen. EZ also has more oxygen than H2O, and when you increase oxygen content, you get more EZ water. So, hyperbaric treatment builds EZ water in your body, particularly in injured areas where EZ water is needed.

Alkalinity and Your Body’s Negative Charge May Be Critical for Health

I personally drink vortexed water nearly exclusively as I became a big fan of Viktor Schauberger who did much pioneering work on vortexing about a century ago. Dr. Pollack found that by creating a vortex in a glass of water, you’re putting more energy into it, thereby increasing EZ. According to Dr. Pollack, virtually ANY energy put into the water seems to create or build EZ water.

“We have looked at acoustic energy that seems to effect some change in the water. We’re still not sure exactly what. Vortexed water puts enormous energy into the water. There are several groups in Europe studying this phenomenon right now. “

As mentioned earlier, EZ water is alkaline and carries a negative charge. Maintaining this state of alkalinity and negative charge appears to be important for optimal health. Drinking water can be optimized in a variety of different ways, by injecting light energy or physical energy into the water by vortexing, for example. This is fairly easy using magnets. Reversing the vortex every few seconds may even create more energy.

Clearly, more research needs to be done in this area, but some is already underway. My own R&D team is working on a careful study in which we use vortexed water to grow sprouts, to evaluate the vitality and effectiveness of the water.

As for a natural source of EZ water for drinking, an ideal source is glacial melt. Unfortunately, this is extremely inaccessible for most people. Another good source is water from deep sources, such as deep spring water. The deeper the better, as EZ water is created under pressure. Natural spring water is another excellent way to obtain this type of water and you can use FindaSpring.com2 to help you find one close to you.

Besides optimizing the water you drink, you can help generate an electron surplus, or support this negative charge within your body, simply by connecting to the Earth, which also has a negative charge. This is the basis of the earthing or grounding technique, which has been shown to have significant health benefits by allowing the transfer of negatively charged electrons from the ground into the soles of your feet. In a sense, it’s as though your cells are built like batteries that are naturally recharged by spending time outdoors—whether sunny or overcast, and walking barefoot, connecting to the negative charge of the earth!

“If you have an organ that’s not functioning well—for example, it’s lacking that negative charge—then the negative charge from the earth and... [drinking] EZ water can help restore that negativity. I’ve become convinced... that this negative charge is critical for healthy function,” Dr. Pollack says.

aranuk
18th August 2013, 19:47
Very interesting. The doctor was saying that the heart is not pumping blood through the capillaries. Including the Israeli scientist on mice said the blood was circulating in mice hours after the heart was stopped.Incidentally Rudolf Steiner used to say the heart is not a pump.

Stan

araucaria
19th August 2013, 08:59
I got this guy's book after Paul posted about him. The properties of this EZ have truly immense potential in all sorts of areas. It produces a battery with energy derived from sunlight and infrared light, which is everywhere). It is pure water and therefore a self-powered mechanism ought to be feasible for such purposes as desalination.
Desalination is a key element in possible terraforming of the planet, which has increasing expanses of desert areas and 70% salt water coverage. Rising sea levels could be contained by watering these deserts.

ThePythonicCow
19th August 2013, 09:09
" EZ water—EZ standing for “exclusion zone”—which has a negative charge. This water can hold energy, much like a battery, and can deliver energy too."

The Fourth Phase of Water - What You Don’t Know About Water, and Really Should August 18, 2013



I got this guy's book after Paul posted about him. The properties of this EZ have truly immense potential in all sorts of areas.
Aha - I had forgotten that I posted about Gerald H. Pollack and EZ water.

I just merged onawah's new thread in with my earlier thread on the same topic.

blufire
19th August 2013, 10:23
This very important knowledge about such a simple natural resource is worth tucking away in ones mind.

At the very least it puts a whole new spin (a deep one) on the Christian's concentration on water baptism (being reborn) and many biblical references to 'living water '

conk
19th August 2013, 19:39
When discussing water Viktor Schauberger must be mentioned. Living Energies, by Callum Coats, is a good introduction.

Thanks for the info above. Can't wait to dig in tomorrow

Ultima Thule
20th August 2013, 06:07
:bump: Certainly worth it, after watching the videos for the first time, it connected many dots for me. The implications of this are huge.
After 3 or 4 rounds I will possibly get it... ;)

The meaning of capillary flow is for example huge, we are talking over 70% of the net "acreage" of human vasculature. The whole point with ez water for me has very much to do with the acreage. The more acreage the more of potent energy. Interestingly in human body and perhaps in nature in general absurdly the tinier it gets(in many cases) the more acreage it holds - thus more potential energy.

Also this leads to some of the water energizing devices I´ve encountered where a vortex is created with many separate conduits, increasing the surface area and thus the amount of ez water.

Dive back in...
UT

Shezbeth
26th October 2013, 19:29
This subject brings to mind the work of Masaru Emoto and water crystals. It stands to reason that the water crystals at the moment of formation would not be conventional H20, but the H3O2 formation previously mentioned.

Additionally, this could begin to explain the phenomenon of 'saying grace' and/or blessing/thanking the food that is eaten, and how such food seems more nourishing/sustaining.

In particular I am reminded of how when boiling water (for tea/coffee in my general usage), the water has a different reflectivity to light and observably different appearance in it's fluidity as compared to normal water.

ThePythonicCow
5th February 2014, 08:30
Mel Fabregas has an excellent new interview of Gerald Pollack, on Sanitas Radio (http://www.sanitasradio.com), which can be found at Gerald H. Pollack, Ph.D. -- The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Solid, Liquid, and Vapor (February 4, 2014) (http://www.sanitasradio.com/guests/2014/02feb/SR-140204-gpollack.php).

From that site:

S y n o p s i s





Professor Pollack takes us on a fantastic voyage through water, showing us a hidden universe teeming with physical activity that provides answers so simple that any curious person can understand. In conversational prose, Pollack relentlessly documents just where some scientists may have gone wrong with their Byzantine theories, and instead lays a simple foundation for understanding how changes of water structure underlie most energetic transitions of form and motion on Earth. Pollack invites us to open our eyes and re-experience our natural world, to take nothing for granted, and to reawaken our childhood dream of having things make sense.

Nasu
8th February 2014, 23:47
Bump, bump, bump, bump... N

Delight
24th March 2014, 16:40
I found this TedX and then found this thread and did not see the talk posted.
Water is absolutely amazing. Recently I have been studying the ancient evidence of "civil engineers of hydrology" and I think that one keynote of a world wide civilization of recent past was the knowledge of how to move water from areas it arose to areas needed.

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Gardener
24th March 2014, 20:47
Thankyou for bumping this thread I had missed it first time round, it is so good.
:)

Baby Steps
13th November 2014, 13:18
This is crucial info! Most illnesses will respond to EZ water. Ionised water is so good that they provide it to patients in Japanese Hospitals!.
Something new has emerged that is very cheap- ioniser sticks:

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ThePythonicCow
13th November 2014, 18:33
This is crucial info! Most illnesses will respond to EZ water. Ionised water is so good that they provide it to patients in Japanese Hospitals!.
Something new has emerged that is very cheap- ioniser sticks:
Ionized water is not the same as EZ water, so far as I know :).

araucaria
13th November 2014, 18:45
This is crucial info! Most illnesses will respond to EZ water. Ionised water is so good that they provide it to patients in Japanese Hospitals!.
Something new has emerged that is very cheap- ioniser sticks:
Ionized water is not the same as EZ water, so far as I know :).
Not everyone would agree that ionized water is any good - http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/water_health/health2/health-benefits-from-drinking-ionized-water-page2.htm

EZ water - H3O2 - is a totally different formula from ordinary water, ionized or not. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59203-The-Fourth-Phase-of-Water-the-Exclusion-Zone--EZ--Gerald-H.-Pollack&p=675153&viewfull=1#post675153

eaglespirit
21st February 2015, 16:59
EZ water - H3O2...

WE are thus, BEcoming!!!

Conscious of Self, Sunlight, Nature...in an upbeat fashion in the now!

LindyLou22
21st February 2015, 23:33
Nice to see this getting talked about. I'll leave the molecular science to others, but anyone can experience the feel of the 4th state of water in a person's tissues just by doing myofascial release techniques. In tissues there is something called the ground substance, believed by many of us to be water in a gel-like state. This can harden over time. Myofascial fibers that form a microscopic connective net throughout the body can become pulled tight and cause pain, stiffness, and structural imbalance.

If you have a stiff muscle, rest the palm of your hand gently on your skin above it. Maybe try your thigh just above the knee, where the quads are. Sink the your whole hand very gently into your skin just until you find some resistance. Leave it there for a few minutes, and you will feel the muscle soften, even with very slight pressure. I think that's the ground substance, the water gel, softening.