Removing Earthquake notification is not appropriate

[syrwong]

People tend to forget the direst threat to mankind, according to all the warnings, old and modern, is natural catastrophy. That should be put before world war III. Whether it is man made or purely cosmological, I think we should pay attention to it, even though we cannot do much.

This week is rather critical in that two researchers of some substance predict big events to happen. After this, there won't be any prophecies, apart from those trolls yelling a date or another. Therefore I think restoring the eartquake data form USGS is appropriate.

Today there have been a series of some 30 5.0 quakes in Russia that seem very unusual. Rather deep and scary too.

[bennycog]

I know what you mean Syrwong. The reason they had been removed from here was because there just became so many of them. I understand the frustration of them being removed because some of us here keep a close eye on the earths movements and we see it as essential to view for people.
As a research point of view it was great to have them here to check out and study and if any were taken down from the posting site they would still be here as proof.
If they did not come up in the new post section I think it would have been all good to leave them there.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I too was thrown a bit by the decision.
It seemed like a popular aspect of the site.

Frank Herbert - "The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future."

[Wind]

I agree, I think that the next two weeks will be crucial.

[ThePythonicCow]

Removing Earthquake notification is not appropriate
We did not remove earthquake notification.

We did change from the USGS feed of quakes over 5.0, to the EMCS feed of quakes over 6.0.

Here's the most recent quake from that feed: mb 6.0 OFF EAST COAST OF KAMCHATKA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59275-mb-6.0-OFF-EAST-COAST-OF-KAMCHATKA).

There have been a few dozen quakes off the Kamchatka Peninsula of Russia in the last two days, however most of them were between 4.0 and 4.9 magnitude, so would not have shown on our previous USGS feed either. About one dozen of them were between magnitude 5.0 and 5.2, and would have (just barely) shown on our previous USGS feed. One of them was magnitude 5.9 to 6.1 by various reports. ECMS had it at 5.9, so it was not reported by our current feed. The Global Incident Quakes Map (http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/quakes-map/search) has it at 6.1.

In general (as someone who lived in California for 20 years) quakes in the 5.x range are not major quakes. What made these Russian quakes more interesting was that there were a few dozen of them all within a couple of days. But we have no practical way to select earthquake feeds by frequency. We can only select on magnitude.

It is always a trade-off.

Those who want more sensitive feeds should examine the various resources at Global Incident Quakes Map (http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/quakes-map/search), USGS (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/) and EMCS (http://www.emsc-csem.org/), amongst no doubt other possibilities.

[ThePythonicCow]

The reason they had been removed from here was because there just became so many of them.
Not removed - but fewer posted - see my comment above.

[syrwong]

Removing Earthquake notification is not appropriate
We did not remove earthquake notification.

We did change from the USGS feed of quakes over 5.0, to the EMCS feed of quakes over 6.0.

Here's the most recent quake from that feed: mb 6.0 OFF EAST COAST OF KAMCHATKA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59275-mb-6.0-OFF-EAST-COAST-OF-KAMCHATKA).

There have been a few dozen quakes off the Kamchatka Peninsula of Russia in the last two days, however most of them were between 4.0 and 4.9 magnitude, so would not have shown on our previous USGS feed either. About one dozen of them were between magnitude 5.0 and 5.2, and would have (just barely) shown on our previous USGS feed. One of them was magnitude 5.9 to 6.1 by various reports. ECMS had it at 5.9, so it was not reported by our current feed. The Global Incident Quakes Map (http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/quakes-map/search) has it at 6.1.

In general (as someone who lived in California for 20 years) quakes in the 5.x range are not major quakes. What made these Russian quakes more interesting was that there were a few dozen of them all within a couple of days. But we have no practical way to select earthquake feeds by frequency. We can only select on magnitude.

It is always a trade-off.

Those who want more sensitive feeds should examine the various resources at Global Incident Quakes Map (http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/quakes-map/search), USGS (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/) and EMCS (http://www.emsc-csem.org/), amongst no doubt other possibilities.

Paul, can the feeds be made more sensitive. Say >=5.0. Average number of 5.0 over a week is around 20, i,e around 3 a day. This should not cause too much disturbances. With this, the Russian quakes of today would still be a phenomenon.

It is rumoured that they downscaled the eathquakes by 10 times, may be we should not upscale our alarm?

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, can the feeds be made more sensitive. Say >=5.0.
That would be easy - yes - we could just go back to the 5.0 USGS feed instead of the 6.0 EMCS feed.

If we had been using the USGS 5.0 feed these last two days, then about 12 new threads would have been created. We average about 20 new threads per day outside of these earthquake threads.

We made a choice to change from a 5.0 to a 6.0 feed, in order to reduce the volume of new earthquake threads that were sometimes dominating the new thread lists.

For now, I remain content to stick with the 6.0 EMCS feed.

[bennycog]

Sorry Paul, yes I chose my word wrong.. USGS was removed and replaced and the sensitivity of the richter was raised :)

[AlaBil]

Paul, can the feeds be made more sensitive. Say >=5.0.
That would be easy - yes - we could just go back to the 5.0 USGS feed instead of the 6.0 EMCS feed.

If we had been using the USGS 5.0 feed these last two days, then about 12 new threads would have been created. We average about 20 new threads per day outside of these earthquake threads.

We made a choice to change from a 5.0 to a 6.0 feed, in order to reduce the volume of new earthquake threads that were sometimes dominating the new thread lists.

For now, I remain content to stick with the 6.0 EMCS feed.

I support leaving it as it is, 6.0 EMCS. I don't think we need 12 new threads about earthquakes below the 6.0 level. When and if the 6.0 and up earthquake threads start taking over the board I will know something is up.

[mgray]

I certainly thought it was a value add to have them listed 5.0 and higher. It gave me a visual representation of how the Earth was doing on daily basis.

[Sunny-side-up]

5.0 and or higher, I agree 5.0 not hi but what I like is it shows one to the next where. You can see the small chain reactions one to the next around the globe.

[Marianne]

I understand wanting to see the chain of earthquakes, even small ones. I like seeing that too. But the front page of Avalon is not just about earthquakes, and we have to find a balance.

As a helpful resource, members who are interested in seeing more earthquake data can go to the USGS site directly. There's a list called 'Significant Earthquakes' -- I'm not sure what they count as significant, but there are some below 5.0, so it should give you a good indication.

Here's the site: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/

I'm assuming other countries can also access it ... can someone outside the U.S. please check and report back? Thanks.

[Wind]

It has been proved before that USGS is downgrading the quake readings.

[syrwong]

Paul, can the feeds be made more sensitive. Say >=5.0.

If we had been using the USGS 5.0 feed these last two days, then about 12 new threads would have been created. We average about 20 new threads per day outside of these earthquake threads.



I have done the averaging, there are only 3 quakes per day worldwide of magnitude>5. The 12 new threads that would have been created are worth creating, because they are significant in my view, though may not be for Californians, or really?
There are average 135 quakes of >6 in a year. If sensitivity >6 is used, there are only 0.37 earthquake per day on the average.

[Wind]

I don't usually like to say this in public, but I think that the poles are about to shift. The weakening magnetic field is about to fail... Human consciousness is connected to the magnetic field and I believe that this shift is not just physical. A lot of things will be transformed, but will it take weeks, months or years? Who knows.

[tnkayaker]

People tend to forget the direst threat to mankind, according to all the warnings, old and modern, is natural catastrophy. That should be put before world war III. Whether it is man made or purely cosmological, I think we should pay attention to it, even though we cannot do much.

This week is rather critical in that two researchers of some substance predict big events to happen. After this, there won't be any prophecies, apart from those trolls yelling a date or another. Therefore I think restoring the eartquake data form USGS is appropriate.

Today there have been a series of some 30 5.0 quakes in Russia that seem very unusual. Rather deep and scary too.

if anyone that wants to track quakes themselves , just google RSOE and u can find a world wide disaster map that tracks all of this, this maybe why some were removed because this info is there and in better format for those who want to track it, just a thought, peace,dennis

[Lifebringer]

Thank you the Global incident map is live active and reports them as they come in. You can see the "ring of fire" areas activated. I had just observed and said, Russia and China don't have any and within seconds, literally, one popped up. Pay attention to this geological shifting as, I feel, the Canary Islands will be effected, triggering a Tsunami on the Eastern seaboard of US. Pretty funky in the Gulf(dead zone, no oxygen) all that water polluted, my God, we need help if just to get that together off the coast of Texas, there is a smell of gaseous fumes that occasionally break out the skin on sun bathers on the beach. The only way for that to happen is if we admit it needs help and work to solve it. How do you put oxygen back in non-oxygenated oceans?

This my dears is the trillion dollar question. Materialistic wealth of the few who destroy our air, land and waters, or a life of abundance and balance and peace?

These too, are our choices.

[Lifebringer]

I pray for protection of those people in the areas, and I find it vital in focusing on the area, as I'm not that familiar with every hill and dale of the planet, nor small rural areas where aboriginal and the poor live. I like to be able to help and not having a visual on the area, doesn't help me to help them in prayer. I loved dutchsince's earthquake warnings, but they've been after him and I just pray he's still doing his mission, so we as one can do ours.

[Christine]

Here are two very good options to leave open in your browser. They are real time from various feeds. The first even has a voice that reports new quakes as they happen so if you aren't looking at the page you will be advised (two quakes reported as I am writing this!) I have used these sites for over a year and never look at Avalon for earthquake info.

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/quakes-map/search

http://gimquakesmap1.com/

Thanks to Paul who posted them earlier... just adding my two cents of advice to leave pages open.

[Sidney]

I just wanted to remind everyone that the 'up at the ranch" thread, someone usually posts Suspicious Observers daily news there on a daily basis. S O I believe has earthquake watch on there daily. I also have S O bookmarked on my bar, so I can go there daily and see what he has to say about it. Here is a link.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers

[Sith73]

Earth Changes are inevitable as mother earth is having labor pains as she transforms into a middle 4th dimensional world. More Earth changes are coming so it never hurts to be prepared. Here are a few ideas : have extra gas for your vehicle, bottled water, a portable water filter, canned food, dried foods and meals, extra clothing, important documents, a portable charger for your small electronics, small tent in-case you need shelter away from your home. I could think of other things but I'm sure you understand.

[tnkayaker]

Here are two very good options to leave open in your browser. They are real time from various feeds. The first even has a voice that reports new quakes as they happen so if you aren't looking at the page you will be advised (two quakes reported as I am writing this!) I have used these sites for over a year and never look at Avalon for earthquake info.

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/quakes-map/search

http://gimquakesmap1.com/

Thanks to Paul who posted them earlier... just adding my two cents of advice to leave pages open.

what i like about the RSOE global map is it is also in real time and it tracks everything from possible pandemics to all kinds of storms and things related to them, i just wish it had the voice but anyways, peace,dennis