Adam Kokesh violently dragged from public protest by police, arrested for 'resisting arrest'

[Cidersomerset]

I don't know Adam Kokesh or his views , but the manner of his arrest is disturbing
at a peaceful demonstration, whatever the protest is for.....



Adam Kokesh violently dragged from public protest by police, arrested for 'resisting arrest'

Monday, 20 May 2013 08:06
Posted by David Icke

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'Freedom activist Adam Kokesh of Adam vs. the Man was violently dragged from
a "Smoke Down Prohibition" protest in Philadelphia just a few hours ago. According to
his Facebook page, Adam is being charged with "resisting arrest" but is refusing to be
booked for the charge which is obviously false.

The YouTube video of the arrest shows Adam Kokesh clearly NOT resisting, holding his
hands up in a surrender posture and trying to maintain his balance while a gang of
police drag him away from the event.

According to Adam Kokesh supporter "Brother Lucas," Kokesh never even smoked pot
during the protest, so his arrest is sending shockwaves across the liberty movement
because it appears to be illegal and unjustified.'

Read more: Adam Kokesh violently dragged from public protest by police, arrested
for 'resisting arrest'


http://www.naturalnews.com/040399_Adam_Kokesh_resisting_arrest_Philadelphia_protest.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/84347-adam-kokesh-violently-dragged-from-public-protest-by-police-arrested-for-resisting-arrest

The security guards who carted him off reminded me of Hitlers Brwnshirts....

http://www.fclo.classicbroadway.org/pictures/Nazis.1.jpg

[Mulder]

Yes, Adam was arrested for assaulting Police as the's Polices' knuckles got bruised when Adam's face hit their fists...I heard this from Alex Jones' show on Sunday 19 May (after 1.30 secs):

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As we have given up our rights for security, now more of this will happen.

[Orion197]

I don't know Adam Kokesh or his views , but the manner of his arrest is disturbing
at a peaceful demonstration, whatever the protest is for.....


Very disturbing indeed especially since Adam was a Marine Corporal and an Irag War Veteran. This is how the country he served, not that I agree with war or military service, is treating him for sacrificing his life.
He was planning an armed protest march on July 4 so no doubt this had something to do with it.

[fmkmrf]

Why are do you think any less is going to happen. This is only going to get a lot worse. People are doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
We as a people have to learn the truth and come together in a manner that will provide a remedy. Protest will only end in the power of the government being used against you.
Money drives everything. Remove their money and they are done! After all think about it, what police officer is going to work when he is not being paid? However until people really wake up and learn that the system as been hijacked and as a people you need join forces over all and take it back

[TargeT]

MOre discussion here as well:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59264-Ex-Marine-radio-host-and-political-activist-Adam-Kokesh-arrested.


Based on the laws as they currently stand there is nothing that can be done in a situation like this (legally) as you could be charged with interfering with a police investigation (at the least).

I'm not sure what could be done in this situation, I think adam handled it the best way possible & arrests like this do bring some attention to causes that need the attention brought to them; so unfortunately this is our "offense" get wrongly arrested so you can show the system is a dismal failure..... sad. ..

[frozen alchemy]

When are the police going to realize that they're either with US or with the corporations that now run the U.S.? Or do all the thugs want their children to eat Monsanto foods, drink fluoridated water and watch nothing but state-sanctioned propaganda on their teevees?

[eric charles]

Its time to resist this crap . Stop laying down and taking it up the wazoo ! I hate violence but I will protect myself and my kids against intruders , Government or the common criminal !

John F Kennedy once said . Those who make peaceful protest impossible , will make violent REVOLUTION inevitable .


This is the breaking point ladies and gentleman , Peaceful protest has been made IMPOSSIBLE ,Either WE resist this B.S TOGETHER or we are gone down in flames TOGETHER !!

[turiya]

Infowars most recent interview...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlYBazTlcRU&feature=share&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg

turiya :cool:

[Cidersomerset]

Infowars most recent interview...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlYBazTlcRU


Thanks turiya Adams interview with Alex gives me an insight to his views cheers Steve....

[soleil]

i guess i missed any updates, did adam get released?

[risveglio]

Infowars most recent interview...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlYBazTlcRU


Thanks turiya Adams interview with Alex gives me an insight to his views cheers Steve....

Any opinion on this, especially the new July 4th march plan? I don't know what to make of Kokesh though I have been listening to him for a while but I am proof that even the insane can have a good idea once in a while.

[Cidersomerset]

i guess i missed any updates, did adam get released?


Hi teradactyl I just looked on his web page and it looks like
he is waiting for his day in court.

Broke on: June 6th 2013
by: bmdub904
Filed under: Blog


On the Eighteenth of May 2013 Adam Kokesh was giving a speech at “Smoke Down
Prohibition V”, which was an event where marijuana users gather across from
Independence Hall in Philadelphia, PA to consume marijuana in an act of civil
disobedience. This is the fifth such event and at all of the four prior smoke downs
individuals gathered peacefully, consumed large quantities of marijuana, and were
not disturbed by the police. This event would be much different, as the police chose
to escalate the situation by

violently assaulting multiple individuals and even resulting to kidnapping two of the
event’s speakers. Adam Kokesh was giving the final speech to the crowd and before
you could properly finish a Parks Police and Fish and Wildlife officer grabbed Adam
(who had yet to engage in cannabis reflection that day) and took him while with the
microphone still in his hand. Adam was taken away to a local Philadelphia jail and
then was moved to Federal Detention Center Philadelphia where he would spend
right under a week locked in a cage for not committing a crime. Adam was charged
with Resisting, Obstructing, or Assaulting a Police Officer (Felony) and Resisting
Arrest(Misdemeanor). Our video clearly shows that the officer approached Adam
from the rear and it is very clear that Adam did not assault the officer in any way,
shape, or form. Adam has turned his legal defense fund into a legal attack fund and
will be seeking just compensation from the state for illegally kidnapping him
without just cause. Watch the video posted below and as always stay tuned to
AVTM.




http://adamvstheman.com/adam-kokesh-arrested-for-illegal-use-of-a-microphone/

[Cidersomerset]

Any opinion on this, especially the new July 4th march plan? I don't know what to make of Kokesh though I have been listening to him for a while but I am proof that even the insane can have a good idea once in a while.

Not sure risveglio he does not say much on the calendar link below from his site. There is a facebook link there....

https://adamvstheman.com/calendar/

[sigma6]

Why are do you think any less is going to happen. This is only going to get a lot worse. People are doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
We as a people have to learn the truth and come together in a manner that will provide a remedy. Protest will only end in the power of the government being used against you.
Money drives everything. Remove their money and they are done! After all think about it, what police officer is going to work when he is not being paid? However until people really wake up and learn that the system as been hijacked and as a people you need join forces over all and take it back

Exactly. When the people wake up and realize it it THEIR MONEY that runs the Government and not the other way around. The Government is set up to be bankrupt, and since at least 1933, ALL CRIMES ARE COMMERCIAL, if you don't believe it go back and rewatch the OJ Simpson Trial. Once we understand this, we are developing a MORE ACCURATE PERCEPTION of what is going on in Government and the courts (Courts are fronts for Government Banking)


ALL CRIME IS COMMERCIAL - SO PAY THEM

I couldn't resist, so I will drop this little gem here. I am not focused on Admiralty Law right now. Not that I disagree with it. It's just not the level where I want to focus (I am still leaning toward Trust Interpretation) But! ... that said it was people like Winston and the introduction of Admiralty Law (Commercial Contract Law) That opened the door (and the eyes) of many people. And it is a good starting point since it can be used and does "plug into" the existing court systems (they are ALL PROBATE by default (or presumption?) well... just understand it is one 'level'

I came across this video of a guy named Bill Foust. He is golden. And he even opened my eyes. And verily confirmed something (at around 53 minutes) Something that anyone following any of my "legal/trust/etc" interpretation posts knows that I believe EVERYTHING REVOLVES around our understanding and interpretation of what the Birth Certificate is...

Again I know how hard this is to conceptualize for people who haven't experienced the "anomalies" in court themselves (and it CAN be dangerous...) There is a huge 'fog' of misinformation... the smoke and mirrors is becoming more intense (still reminds me of that "Planet of the Apes" scene where the apes are confronted with the illusionary wall of flame...)

I won't go too heavy into it right now... But... in a nutshell (over and apart from the link I am sharing here about Bill and what he does at 53 min...) My best understanding currently is that we have to go into court and invoke Equity by stating in plain English that we DO NOT CLAIM OWNERSHIP to the NAME ESTATE JOHN HENRY DOE... as our opening volley and starting point. The absolute central issue, and major premise is WHOEVER HOLDS THE LEGAL TITLE?, is the LEGAL OWNER with FULL LIABILITY. And all that implies in EQUITY.

(Yes they are switching it absolutely 180 degrees around us... because they understand trust and we don't! So you have no choice if you want to be free, you must learn trust at some point in your life... face it!)

That said, for now... I still like this video with Bill Foust. But understand he is operating according to Admiralty Jurisdiction. The advantage here, is that he has studied it from that perspective (follows Winston Shrout) and operates there well. (more then one way to skin a cat, as they say...) and in Admiralty... Commercial Contract, Bonds, Insurance, etc...


ALL CRIME IS COMMERCIAL - SO PAY THEM
(with your indemnification, Money of Account)

And what he "let's out of the bag" at around 53 min is what I am always looking for, to confirm my interpretation re: the Birth Certificate. Remember what I put in another post, i.e. what the Brits have on their Birth Certificates. Know in your hearts and minds that that EXACT SAME MECHANISM OF SECURITIZATION APPLIES WHERE EVER THERE ARE BCs AND Corporate Governments holding the records.

"This extract is evidence of an event recorded in a register of births.
It is NOT evidence of the identity of the person presenting it."

It should be screaming the question at you! "Then WHAT IS IT????"


William Bill Foust - Man on the land Executor Advocate Revocate Republic for Arizona
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Like I said, I think he let's the cat out of the bag around 53 min... LOOOOOVVVVVVEE IT!

update: Sept 27/2013:
IRC-7701 – General Discussion - 1992
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici92.pdf
definition of person: (pg. 2)
IRC 7701(a)(1) does not refer to "person" in the usual sense of a living human being. Rather, Reg. 301.7701-1(a) instructs that the term "person" includes an individual, corporation, partnership, trust or estate, joint-stock company, association, syndicate, group, pool, joint venture or other unincorporated organization or group, guardian, committee, trustee, executor, administrator, trustee in bankruptcy, receiver, assignee for the benefit of creditors, conservator, or any person acting in a fiduciary capacity.

D: Trust (pg. 7)
A working definition of "trust" is provided in Reg. 301.7701-4. The term "trust" as used in the Code refers to an arrangement created either by a will or by an inter vivos declaration whereby trustees take title to property for the purpose of protecting or conserving it for the beneficiaries under the ordinary rules applied in chancery or probate courts.

http://www.irs.gov/irm/part21/irm_21-007-013r.html
“IRS manual 21.7.13.3.2.2 – An infant is the decedent of an estate or grantor, owner or trustor of a trust, guardianship, receivership or custodianship that has yet to receive an SSN.”

end update:


In case I lost some who are missing the tie in. The BC is a form of indemnification. The court system is a banking system. The courts are private corporations listed on Dun & Brad Street. All Crimes are commercial (deal with it) The Government acts like a trustee collecting payments for the creditors (which is really us too!) ie. They are a corporation operating in a Ch.11 bankruptcy which essentially means they are managing their own bankruptcy, by putting the Trustee level responsibility to collect and pay for the debt on themselves. (aka "Debtor in Possession") So they have a "Trustee" obligation to go after the only source of money (energy) which is the PEOPLE. Government, Banks don't create money themselves, they are trustees of OPM!!!

However when you show up in court, YOU mess it up by stating YOU are the NAME. This is like saying you want to be the LEGAL OWNER of the NAME. You have stepped into the trap. You had another option (that they are NOT obligated to educate you about (this will be the "World Change" we are looking for btw...)) Anyhow by saying YOU are the NAME, and thus acting like the owner, at that point you have become the surety and lost the game. PERIOD. You are now acting as what is known as a Trustee de sont tort.

Definition:
Person who is not a party to a trust agreement (and has no authority as a trustee) but meddles with the trust property or takes upon himself or herself to carry out acts characteristic of the office of trustee. Instead of prosecuting this person, the courts may hold him or her to be a constructive trustee and, thereby, impose the liabilities of an actual trustee in accounting for his or her acts. 'De son tort' is Latin for, by his (her) own wrongdoing.

When if you just had enough presence of mind... you could step back and say hey wait a minute. I know this thing in my hand (BC) is NOT me. But! .... WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP??? I am going for Settlor, Bill Foust is going for similar, appointing himself as Executor and settling the debt... I can't argue what he is doing... and he does it well. And thus I am sharing this with you. But REMEMBER the whole time he is doing it, he has the EVIDENCE of his RIGHT to do it in his back pocket. And you will see why that is important at 53 min... I have been slammed for not doing this simple thing... (thank you Bill... for clearing up this discrepancy and my own stupidity and lack of faith at the time...) Even Dean Clifford doesn't have it this square... So simple, but so profound...


So how else does a bankrupt parasite survive? It has to feed on the living. (thus why their over the top SELF JUSTIFICATION, it is just how they deal with their denial and vulnerability, they are only weak and anxious humans, like the rest of us, they just got a better gig...) Anyhow. We can work with them or maybe not... In one scenario,

Look at it this way. WE PAY EITHER WAY. WE HAVE TO. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF MONEY/ENERGY/CREDIT/etc... We can pay two ways. We can pay out of our pockets, directly from our own energy, known as MONEY OF EXCHANGE. Or we can pay by going through the Security that is held by the State. The evidence of which you are holding in your hand in the form of a Birth Certificate. It is a certificate which evidences the State is holding a record which can clearly be interpreted as a form or property and/or a Title in Trust. And it has also been securitized and created into an account. Everything you register or open in that NAME. The title (which comes into existence as an "operation of law") is thus by "Chain of Title" logical follow through, HELD by the STATE.

What is the bottom line? (there are many) but one is that THEY ARE HOLDING LEGAL TITLE TO EVERYTHING.
But wait it is not as bad as it sounds!!! (lol)
Because the Certificate they gave us when they set this up was to let us know that we HAVE the SUPERIOR INTEREST.

That is where I am at right now... Understanding the NATURE of SUPERIOR INTEREST .... AS OPPOSED TO ... OWNERSHIP. If you study the legal interpretation of the word OWN, OWNER or OWNERSHIP. You will soon come to realize you REALLY DON'T understand the word AT ALL! Get away from it!! YOU CAN'T PROVE YOU ARE THE LEGAL OWNER of ANYTHING (unless you built it from scratch with your own hands.)

SO STOP USING WORDS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! Especially in the public! As the true source of all energy. As the potential true SETTLOR in the Trust (potential because it yet to be realized, as you haven't established it yet!!!) You have the power to do many things. This is what they are hiding from us... I believe this is why they are trying to eliminate the Bible from secular society (because it is Based on the FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE of TRUST and NATURAL LAW) , and instead force a commercial contract law world on us. It is a simple strategy where they have the most power. But even there, as people like Winston and now Bill are clearly showing, If we DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND HOMEWORK. We still can take a powerful position.

But to get right to the jugular, for me, is going straight to Equity (in Trust) laying on the table WE ARE NOT THE OWNER, but the party with SUPERIOR interest and have a clear interpretation of what we WANT as the true Settlor.

Definition of Settlor: from Blacks Law (Settlor is the Grantor is the Donor is the Trustor, check out the circular definitions below...
Black’s Law 4th Edition:

Settlor:
The grantor or donor in a deed of settlement.
Also, one who creates trust.
One who furnishes the consideration for the creation
of a trust, though in form the trust is created by another.

Grantor:
The person by whom a grant is made.

Donor:
The party conferring a power.
One who makes a gift. One who creates a trust.
He who gives lands or tenements to another in tail.
In Old English law. He by whom lands were given to
another; the party making a donatio.

Trustor:
One who creates a trust. Also called a settlor.


But that is another story.... (hahaa! still working on it...) And the only reason many don't is because the courts use presumptions to STOP you... (read on... haha...)

For now, enjoy what Bill has to say. He really does an admirable job (excuse the pun) He is a working class guy, who studied and got a good understanding, and is shared his own experience in pretty clear and concise manner... all the power to him... enjoy...



links for my own reference:

previous:
Re: I (Bill) am being impersonated on Facebook.
Bill and Commercial Redemption Interpretation? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57125-The-Potentiality-Of-Love-A-letter-from-Bill-Posted-19th-March-2012-by-Eva-Moore.&p=651078&viewfull=1#post651078)

following:
Private Prisons -- Off our Rader
Expressing The Trust - Holy Grail of Control (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63780-Private-Prisons-Off-our-radar&p=735866&viewfull=1#post735866)

[gripreaper]

Excellent Sigma. I hope more people read your post above, over and over and over until it sinks in. It's refreshing to me to see someone besides myself and we-R-one who is trying to expose and explain how it all works.

The law of the land (Common Law) or the law of the sea (Admiralty) are the only two choices. If you try to stand in Common Law, you stand outside of the Admiralty jurisdiction, but...

Can you really if all things are commercial? They are. In equity, the trustee administers the trust which we are adhered to, or they attempt to adhere us, via the security known as the birth certificate. It is an actual bond, which is the only thing supporting the entire system. We don't own it, and we are not "IT". The birth certificate is the corpus of the trust, the substance which makes commerce work. If we appoint the judge as trustee, order him to discharge the alleged obligation via the trust, as is his job as an administrator of the bankruptcy, there is no nexus between you and the trust.

Billy Faust got it right, which is why they killed him. Those who go into court claiming to be the name create adhesion. Those who go into court via Special Appearance, reserve all their rights, appoint the judge trustee, order him to discharge the court bond created via the criminal charge, against the birth certificate bond, while remaining outside the trust, forces their hand.

They don't want you to know this.

[sigma6]

You have to be careful how you describe the BC... it is just a certificate. It is evidence. Powerful evidence in the court. That they will vigorously sometimes try to keep you from formally entering it into the record. I have seen lawyers go so far as saying... and I quote... "... your honor, I haven't looked at the document in my hand..." When I had a 2nd party present it it to him by surprise... imagine that! Why so desperate, when caught off guard to say something like that, (he did know, after the fact, what it was...)

The BC itself is just a certificate, you must carefully follow the chain of logic. Because they will jump down your throat otherwise. It has been also called (by them I believe) "a valuable token" By itself it is not all that valuable, like a set of keys held by a toddler, without knowing they fit into a car, they are just that a 'plaything' in their hand.

The certificate is simply evidence of fact that the government took the record of the event of a birth and registered it.
It is what that means that becomes very relevant.
That record is evidence that your parents gave you a NAME.
That NAME has become a "thing" in law. A "res" in trust in fact. This is a big deal. It can clearly be proven to be a form of property (Title, as in right to something)
That thing has an ACCOUNT attached to it, like a container for everything you register in that NAME. According to the Vital Statistics Act we are authorized to use the NAME. (but how, we must be careful ... )

In Equity, everything is determined by INTENT (hmmm, isn't that the fundamental issue in criminal cases...???)
And the fact is that that record is ALSO EVIDENCE of your parent's INTENTION to give (or GIFT) you a NAME.
So the government interceding and creating the record without giving any consideration in exchange, has created all the necessary elements of creating a trust... Those elements being PURPOSE, INTENTION, PARTIES, and a thing (RES).

This also means the State can ONLY be HOLDING it.
What they are holding was INTENDED for YOU.
That is WHY you have SUPERIOR INTEREST.

But they are the TITLE HOLDER, which makes them the LEGAL OWNER.
The implications of this is MIND BOGGLING when you understand what is being said here...

OWN NOTHING, CONTROL EVERYTHING.
The State/Province therefore, by DEFINITION, has all the POTENTIAL to be MY TRUSTEE!!!

There is no reason this can't look after and settle ALL debts in the public, especially those created by the State, since they are all a form of bankruptcy accrual accounting (accounting records to be realized in the future) as per Winston, et al...

And therefore there should be no reason they can't be settled by the unlimited credit (money of account) of the SoLB record which they have securitized. The Courts are trying to get us to pay money of exchange. Call it fraud, loan sharking, double dipping, dirty dealing, whatever...

That's what happens when you enter into the world of contract law with no understanding, ... you get shaken upside down, until they have taken "your last farthing"...

Beware Romans bearing gifts (benefits or privileges)
Their history is laid out for us, and it isn't quite as romantic as they make out in all the propaganda movies that seem to be flooding the media these days. It is a military dictatorship.

Being aware of that we should consider the question do we have a choice of whether we wish to join their army (corporate matrix) or not?...


If given the choice, what would you choose? I have just watched the recent Star Trek Movie (2013) (their propaganda is EVERYWHERE) That to me is a romanticized version of the ultimate expression of THEIR system. Cute, but I'd like to keep my feet planted solid on the earth. And let those who choose to live by the sword, live (and die) by same said sword... not my path...


LOVE and WAR... or WAR and PEACE...

[sigma6]

Billy Faust got it right, which is why the killed him...

Like I always say those who have been murdered or attempted to be murdered, I like to keep my eye on, he may very well have been murdered for EXACTLY what he revealed at 53 minutes...

Which is why I am focusing on EQUITY. It operates in the private, away from the public (the ignorant masses, sorry to say... and I still consider myself one of them, one foot in, one foot out...) That is the way they want it... ie. They have to make it available, but they WILL DO EVERYTHING in their power to hide that gate.

... "Narrow is the gate... and few who will pass through it..." It's all there, hidden in THEIR BIBLE, (yep they wrote and control that book too...) The irony is when one goes back to RE-read the Bible from a trust interpretation, it will blow your mind. The symbology, the metaphor, the trust interpretation. The philosophy. The Romans did create it. They do use it as a tool. There is a trust covenant in it. And now they actually want to hide it from the majority of the population today. And those that endear themselves to it. Are taking it way, way too literally (another big milestone for me... philosophically speaking...)


My time spent (in their system) was a wake up call, it made it unequivocally clear to me I was dealing with a CRIME SYNDICATE. Slicker and bigger then any movie. This is pure White Anglo Saxon Freemason Government tax funded Crime Syndication. And like all elite criminals, don't ever think of not holding up your end of any contract with them...

[sigma6]

And if we want out, we have to relinquish ALL OWNERSHIP. LOLOL... Think of that against the backdrop of the American mentality... LOL.. Just the concept is completely foreign to most everyone raised in the Western World's way of thinking...

Yet that is the escape, Romans understood FEAR and GREED. Just like they teach all investors. The two things all men succumb to. Conquer that and you will become a wealthy man. Ironies within ironies. Plans within Plans (to quote Dune)

This recently from a friend... I hope she doesn't mind me sharing this... (her name is removed)

Jane Doe's court Experience

a friend went to court with her mom, and was identified on a charge from 4 years prior! So while they were trying to harangue her mother, a police officer was sent out after the trial and called out her NAME (to which she allowed herself to be identified AS the NAME.... Oops!!! They established their jurisdiction right there)

Then they literally whisked her back into a court and tried to harangue her! But she is very smart. And had memorized everything her group was trying to teach her mom, which (for whatever reasons) her mom didn't apply.

Now I don't agree or claim to understand everything that she was told to do, and there is not enough "interaction" to verify EXACTLY which part was having the greatest effect... But I do understand the NOTICE of NOT CLAIMING OWNERSHIP and what the implications of that would mean in court...




"May I enter the bar in order to speak with you?"
[I don't agree with this, I have stayed out of the gate...]

"You may" he replied, just as pleasantly. Quickly asking me, "I understand that you are JANE ANNE DOE"

Then I shocked him. Loudly and clearly I replied,

“I do not claim ownership of the legal fiction JANE ANNE DOE, but I AM the Executor and President/CEO for the JANE ANNE DOE Estate.” I paused.

“YOU may call me ‘Jane’”.

I don't see very well at a distance so I couldn't read the judge's facial expression but his crumpled body language and turned face told me he was duly SHOCKED...=) =) ... I waited and he said nothing, so I continued boldly:

“As Chief Executive Officer of that Estate, I am here to discharge this matter,”

Another tiny pause, then, “As holder of my own title...
[not sure about this either, but trying to follow up whether there is even
the possibility of such an interpretation, and fundamentally not necessary
or misunderstood, as them holding something that belongs to us is THE TRUST
RELATIONSHIP, so I consider this a misinterpretation..."]

...and that any transaction has to be under Public Policy Prime Directive to discharge the public debt, dollar for dollar, I will require my dollar for dollar settlement as the living party to this constructive trust,
[do we want to operate in their constructive trust?
we want to "express" our own trust, and thus rebut their construed trust...
(origin of the word construct in their legal interpretation)]

...the trust which, as I comprehend, is currently under negotiation. I will require immediately upon conclusion of this particular accounting a certified check. And I will be using my prepaid exemption with regard to any taxes due on said transaction - however, the other parties will have to pay any outstanding tax due on said , whereas should we conclude the transaction so that I may take my leave? pause

Or, do you wish to reconsider the transaction?
...

The judge seemed to recover his composure, and asked the prosecutor if he saw any reason this case should not be dismissed, since he'd looked at my record and had not seen that I had had any criminal behavior since the (Criminal Trespass) warrant was issued...

"John" had told me to wait a few seconds, 5 or 10, and then turn and leave the courtroom, but I thought the idea of dismissal warranted giving them a few more minutes of my time.


There were many factors involved here, but again, the very least is the fact that ALL IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS on the SURFACE in these House of Mirrors...


previous:
Re: I (Bill) am being impersonated on Facebook.
Bill and Commercial Redemption Interpretation? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57125-The-Potentiality-Of-Love-A-letter-from-Bill-Posted-19th-March-2012-by-Eva-Moore.&p=651078&viewfull=1#post651078)

following:
Private Prisons -- Off our Rader
Expressing The Trust - Holy Grail of Control (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63780-Private-Prisons-Off-our-radar&p=735866&viewfull=1#post735866)

[gripreaper]

And if we want out, we have to relinquish ALL OWNERSHIP.

a friend went to court with her mom, and was identified on a charge from 4 years prior! So while they were trying to harangue her mother, a police officer was sent out after the trial and called out her NAME (to which she allowed herself to be identified AS the NAME.... Oops!!! They established their jurisdiction right there)

Then they literally whisked her back into a court to tried to harangue her! But she is very smart. And had memorized everything her group was trying to teach her mom, which (for whatever reasons) her mom didn't apply.

Now I don't agree or claim to understand everything that she was told to do, and there is not enough "interaction" to verify EXACTLY which part was having the greatest effect... But I do understand the NOTICE of NOT CLAIMING OWNERSHIP and what the implications of that would mean in court...

"May I enter the bar in order to speak with you?"
[don't necessarily agree with this]

I don't disagree with it, although I might add "I am here by Special Appearance and reserve all my rights"


"You may" he replied, just as pleasantly. Quickly asking me, "I understand that you are JANE ANNE DOE"

Then I shocked him. Loudly and clearly I replied,

“I do not claim ownership of the legal fiction JANE ANNE DOE, but I AM the Executor and President/CEO for the estate.” I paused.

“YOU may call me ‘Jane’”.

I don't see very well at a distance so I couldn't read the judge's facial expression but his crumpled body language and turned face told me he was duly SHOCKED...=) =) ... I waited and he said nothing, so I continued boldly:

“As Chief Executive Officer of that Estate, I am here to discharge this matter,”

This is where I would tell the judge: I am the grantor, executor of the estate trust, and I appoint you as trustee to discharge this matter.


Another tiny pause, then, “As holder of my own title...
[not sure about this either, but looking into it as a possibility..."]

...and that any transaction has to be under Public Policy Prime Directive to discharge the public debt, dollar for dollar, I will require my dollar for dollar settlement as the living party to this constructive trust,
[do we want to operate in their constructive trust, I was taught we want to "express" our own trust, and thus rebut their construed trust..."]

...the trust which, as I comprehend, is currently under negotiation. I will require immediately upon conclusion of this particular accounting a certified check. And I will be using my prepaid exemption with regard to any taxes due on said transaction - however, the other parties will have to pay any outstanding tax due on said , whereas should we conclude the transaction so that I may take my leave? pause

Or, do you wish to reconsider the transaction?
...

The judge seemed to recover his composure, and asked the prosecutor if he saw any reason this case should not be dismissed, since he'd looked at my record and had not seen that I had had any criminal behavior since the (Criminal Trespass) warrant was issued...

"John" had told me to wait a few seconds, 5 or 10, and then turn and leave the courtroom, but I thought the idea of dismissal warranted giving them a few more minutes of my time.


There were many factors involved here, but again, the very least is the fact that ALL IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS on the SURFACE in these House of MIrrors...

I like it. She did not create joinder. She told the judge to discharge the matter via the bond, but I would make it perfectly clear, under the bankruptcy of 1933, I'm appointing the judge (or prosecutor if there is one)as trustee. It's important to know "who is who" in the debt collectors tribunals of commerce.(courts)

[TargeT]

So all judges are aware of this & will respond correctly?

[gripreaper]

So all judges are aware of this & will respond correctly?

Not necessarily. You could get a "contempt of court" thrown at you, the judge ordering the bailiff to remove you from the court immediately for psychological evaluation, taken out back and beaten and drugged, with additional charges levied against you.

No one is saying that the courts are honorable. On the contrary, they are very corrupt. Dean Clifford (for example) was recently held for 29 days in solitary for standing up, but he did get out and the charges were dropped, although his pick up truck is still in impound. Depends on how well you know the truth, who you are, how to defend yourself, and how willing you are to stay out of their jurisdiction and not be intimidated.

It's not an easy path. It's not for everyone.

[sigma6]

So all judges are aware of this & will respond correctly?

Your question is vague, ie. are you referring to the Admiralty part or the Equity part?

IF you can invoke EQUITY (and that is the current focus for me right now...)
They have no choice,(because they automatically become fiduciary trustee)

but the devil is in the details...
You are stepping into their den, most people fall into their jurisdiction, BEFORE they even show up. If study what the whole system is doing is it is REPEATEDLY getting you to, by your actions, signatures, words, etc, to CONSENT to their jurisdiction.

for example, (don't take this lightly, getting around these issues takes some subtle creativti and real thought and practice... but I have done it... )

acknowledging anything they present, ie. charges, etc. or anything they say of do without qualifying it with the word "ALLEGED"
is "recognizing" recognizing is a form of contracting.
including recognizing them in their role as "judge" prosecutor, etc.
stepping into the gate... (although there may be an exception if operating in Equity...)
"agreeing to come to court!"
following any "instructions" given by the judge
arguing - will get you into contempt of dishonour
silence is agreement
allowing them to address you OR refer to you as the defendant, Mr, Gentleman, Person, etc.
without immediately and repeatedly rebutting it...

and several things more... so it is not so simple in application,
depending on how nasty and technical they want to get...
but for simple things...

And finally I may or may not have done a good job of talking about what Bill is operating in Admiralty, Admiralty is still in their jurisdiction,
Equity - they are the Trustee, once that is established THEY HAVE FIDUCIARY obligation as the trustee holding property that is yours (but since you don't have legal title your not the owner) This is the definition of a trust. A third party managing some property according to instructions of the Grantor or Settlor. Problem is have you established your awareness and desire to be Settlor, have you provided any instruction.

A Trust shall not fail for lack of a Trustee (or any other party) i.e. if someone doesn't show up, someone else MUST, in order to "maintain" the trust... it's a deliciously elaborate scheme how they have set this up.... (a bunch of dirty ******** imo) It shouldn't be hard to understand how they develop all these superiority complexes and think themselves above the rest of us...

Keep it simple... treat it like it IS... What would you do if you got someone elses BILL or SUMMONS or ANYTHING in the mail, etc.???
I would make sure it got delivered to the right party, and if there was any issue of ownership I would have the applicable paperwork (again depending on how "technical" and dirty they want to get, I have been in some appearances, where they REFUSED to allow me to present any evidence ... (HOW DIRTY IS THAT!?) you may want to file documents in advance, or have witnesses, Your playing with a bunch of hypocritical sore losers at the traffic ticket level...

That said there is compartmentalization. Everyone has a different interpretation, Cops understand some things, Much of the office staff has some awareness, they all seem to be aware of the PERSON concept, but in different limited ways. But the JUDGES definitely understand, and if they don't they can be made aware very quickly... Else they wouldn't so afraid of having the BC entered into evidence ON THE RECORD...


So yes the judges understand this. How else would they be able to create the bid bonds, performance bonds and payment bonds against the securitized NAME accounts which their courts have access to. Winston said that the courts have Treasury Account Access, which makes sense if they are doing all their charging to these securitized instruments all the time.

Although the traffic magistrates don't appear to be judges, I don't know what their game is, from my experience, it works BETTER in criminal court. But try and make it into criminal court without a "legal respresentative" (they play such a convoluted psychological game... ) It is very psychologically difficult, and intimidating. They take so many creeping steps before you get there... so they can try and read your "hand"... and undermine you every step of the way... (keep things close to your chest!)

You really have to assume your dealing with a**holes, who want to suck every nickle and dime out of you, because they have been trained to think they are serving higher purpose... pssshhaaawww!

i.e. like any "argument" against worthy opponents, you must have a clear focus, what you are trying to establish, and how you are going to get there, "larking in the dark" doesn't cut it any more (it used to catch them off guard...) You must line up your shot, stand on it, and if you are wrong, be open and ready to learn from it...

[sigma6]

Not necessarily. You could get a "contempt of court" thrown at you, the judge ordering the bailiff to remove you from the court immediately for psychological evaluation, taken out back and beaten and drugged, with additional charges levied against you.

If I know I have not argued anything, because I am asking only questions, and phrasing all statements as questions, etc, I will immediately ask them exactly what is it they are claiming is the contemp relating to. This looks good on the record and clearly establishes you truly don't know. Which is by definition proof of no contempt (it must be intentional) You'd be surprised at how hard up they are at articulating their definition. They don't want to telegraph either.

Whenever they bring up the psyche eval... Know that it is completely based on YOUR CONSENT and AGREEMENT. A simple statement that you are of sound mind and body and suffer no ill effects and absolutely waive any such offer (I NEVER REFUSE anything) ends that. If they push it and try and have a specialist or Dr try and talk to you. You must ignore them, and state you are not consenting to any psyche eval, and are being forced against your will, without your consent, under protest, threat and duress. And end the conversation there, or repeat exactly the same thing, each time, until they get the picture...

Mind you these are all worst case scenarios, when there have been many interactions (largely because we have screwed things up, by making huge mistakes, that they are then trying to take advantage of... )

So again keep it simple, it's not your issue to argue. Your only duty is to point that out... and the proof is in your back pocket (or should be)
I am not the LEGAL OWNER of these charges. HOW CAN THEY REFUTE THAT CLAIM (only you can do that for them by your actions or words...)

[TargeT]

Thank you for your explanations, I'm asking (thankfully) due to curiosity. As where I live it is highly unlikely I will need any of this, but it is interesting & makes sense that you can play their game against them if done correctly & especially if you have found as big of "loop holes" (ok, technically it is not a loop hole, it is exposing their usage of a complex system against those that are ignorant of it) that it seems you have ("you" being a vague usage directed at those who have looked into this).

Luckily I'm in a backwater section of the "US"; we don't even have an open container law here & I've been told by several officers that as long as you are not in motion (aka driving (which of course is a commercial behavior, I won't expand on that as it has little to do with my antic dote)) you can drink while in your vehicle.

and I often see people doing it (and there's no mass deaths or collisions or any other fear-porn laden consequences....)

[sigma6]

Dean Clifford (for example) was recently held for 29 days in solitary for standing up, but he did get out and the charges were dropped, although his pick up truck is still in impound. Depends on how well you know the truth, who you are, how to defend yourself, and how willing you are to stay out of their jurisdiction and not be intimidated.

As much as I admire Dean, and am willing to learn about Commercial Contract law, this is more for context. I am staying out of Admiralty. I don't want to become a contract lawyer. I don't want to have to be an expert in their system. Why should I? A trust, or at least all the components of one have been put in place. Everyone is trying to create statutory private trusts (oxymoron?) Because they don't see the one that is already there. This is guilding the lily.

I have heard of people contacting the REGISTRAR GENERAL and demanding they contact the pound where their car was being kept. They had to stay on the phone for hours apparently but FINALLY got someone on the phone who contacted the pound and got their car released. Now think about the implications of this. This is truly profound! But consistent with TRUST interpretation and the power of establishing who has superior interest!

Ever wonder why the cops are always trying to place tickets, that claim abandoned vehicle, etc? (I got one on my own front lawn for parking half on the driveway and half on the lawn!) That creates their JUSTIFICATION for taking the vehicle! What is the anti-thesis? Use their system against them. The vehicle is registered under the NAME JOHN DOE (which is in fact the STATE) and REGISTERED in your SYSTEM and I am the holder of the certificate as the party with SUPERIOR INTEREST (meaning the legal title holder (THE STATE) is my trustee) They are holding something that is rightfully mine. Does anyone have any proof or evidence of higher claim then that?

Who has the title? The cops? Nope, the Court? Nope, The State does, and in a Trustee capacity at that. And who has the superior interest? (i.e. who was the original or intended legal title holder before the State decided to hold it) The certificate holder, who was issued said certificate by the REGISTRAR on behalf of the State holding said property in TRUST.

I am getting away from trying to beat them on their own turf, Dean is smart enough to and still struggles. I can't beat his 15+ years at this... I would rather always focus on ONE thing. Invoking the trust. As I will then ALWAYS be the party with superior interest. The hardest part is now finding the proper representative of the Trustee and establishing knowledge with them...

[sigma6]

Luckily I'm in a backwater section of the "US"; we don't even have an open container law here & I've been told by several officers that as long as you are not in motion (aka driving (which of course is a commercial behavior, I won't expand on that as it has little to do with my antic dote)) you can drink while in your vehicle.

and I often see people doing it (and there's no mass deaths or collisions or any other fear-porn laden consequences....)

LOL that sounds like heaven to me... I miss living in more rural areas...

nonetheless now that I am on this path, I have no choice but to find where it leads... I never want to be at the mercy of these parasitic bottom feeders again, even if it takes me a lifetime... almost there.... almost theerrree...

[sigma6]

Here's another...

If they had all the power, because of holding the legal title, why would they have to call you into court at all?
What is the first thing they always do when you arrive.
They ask WHO YOU ARE or WHAT IS YOUR NAME...

Definition of Give, or Gift: re: Black's Law 4th
A voluntary transfer of personal property without consideration.

Now I hope I don't have to break down "transfer" (which can be a trust term)
and "consideration" especially in terms of contract law...

Can you now see what these slimy parasites are doing to us!?

In essence they are asking you to GIVE THEM your NAME... release your interest
to them without any conditions, so they can make money off of it!
Talk about smoke and mirrors!

Next time try this the "The NAME is JOHN DOE, and that is All Rights Reserved Without Prejudice, for non commercial use..."
I heard the prosecutor actually say "I can't do business under these circumstances, before he caught himself and then claimed I didn't know what I was talking about..."

I might now be looking at adding, I will only give it under certain conditions and special consideration for the purpose of settling any public liabilities, once I am satisfied any charges are acceptable and no fraud is involved ..." or similar...

[TargeT]

Write a "dummies guide to common court interactions" I'm sure you could make at least a few sales & profit a bit by your work :)

very interesting concept, it makes sense though I would be leery of actually doing it (though I suppose, what's the risk in trying? (other than contempt of court.... haha))

[sigma6]

I am just a follower of other much more comprehensive thinkers. Many have tried that approach and become "gross rationalizers" thinking they will figure it out as they go along...while taking other people's money (huge mistake) The information is just too nebulous... what I am sharing here is still quite basic, but very relevant in terms of focusing on what I think is key. I am hoping to plant a few seeds here for future reference. It's a long term endeavour. It's been a long road. This is the first time I think I see a real possibility of seeing a breakthrough (without studying to become a lawyer) since my initial success in court over 3 years ago, I saw and experienced things, that convinced me beyond any doubt this "secret side" of the legal system absolutely DOES EXIST. There was no going back after that.

But I couldn't make myself study law, like some do. I had the intuition that there had to be a more contrarian approach, a different angle to this whole thing. The people who were studying all the laws were really just becoming lawyers themselves. I heard stories, about people presenting their BCs in court, that sounded just too fantastic. But I knew them personally and couldn't get those stories out of my head. Back then I asked a lot of stupid questions, and was ignored quite often. I sorted out who was serious and in the know and who wasn't very quickly. I grew up playing with puzzles and quizzes and hidden pictures, and stories based on parables etc. Could it be that something like this exists in the "REAL" world? After all, why all the secrecy? What is it they are hiding? Why do so many people write stories like that anyway? It really was like waking up to realize you are living in a matrix! (lol)

Today for the first time, I KNOW what I am looking for (what I call non-statutory trust interpretation). I absolutely believe the answer to the whole puzzle lies there. The scary part is it is one of the biggest, most subtle subjects to dive into. Thank God, that someone has already travelled this road. So although I started out collecting and chasing down every document, video, audio, and seminar, I have now narrowed the focus. I am both grateful and also looking to get another year of study behind me... God willing...

I would rather be daunted by a long term pursuit knowing what I am up against compared to what I went through to get here. And what I can see in countless others. The great majority of people involved in this movement are completely lost and in denial. They are not being honest enough with themselves, not looking at this long term enough, and full of doubt and cynicism, I noticed another many had developed phobias from their experiences in court (they aim to be as psychologically devastating as they can... it is not an accident) many are just hanging on, hoping to catch some falling fruit. My 'success' motivated me to contact some 'gurus' I was studying and started asking questions. In the process I realized over time, I was having an influence on their thinking! my questions, were evolving their thinking and research! Master and student so it goes...

After all this time I can truly say, if I could do it over again I would change everything! ha! anyhow... I can see myself pursuing this for many more years. But I really feel there is a breakthrough happening as we speak. And I want to be on the cusp when it happens. Then again, it may be something that has been going on for years, as I notice a lot of people just 'disappear' from the scene. Sometimes because they are so engrossed but I have heard stories... For now I study Christian Walter's material on Trust. It is the toughest and best way to get a foundation. That is what I am doing. The hard part now is learning more detail on a tighter focus of information. It's like going to university without the chicks, partying, government grants, or course curriculum, but I am grateful to be on this path, a balance between secret knowledge and philosophy, a knowledge I wish to master some day. The end goal? Knowledge AND freedom from the oppression from the "secret societies" that are behind it. Today I call them evil and parasitical tyrants. I imagine in the future I will realize they are just making sure that those who enter into this 'understanding' are worthy on some level... even if it only because they studied long and hard enough... just like university... no guarantees... just endless study... in order to squeeze out one more "aha" experience