Massive Tornado Hits Moore, Oklahoma

[EsmaEverheart]

This tornado had a 2 and quarter mile debris field. It hit 2 Elementary Schools and leveled neighaborhoods. I am safe and the tornado didn't come close to me. But this is heartbreaking. Here is the link to the live stream of our local tv station.

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

[Ellisa]

I am so glad to hear of someone being safe, waiting to see where the storm path goes must be frightening. How can you plan against an event as horrible as this, especially in the schools? It looks truly terrifying on the newscasts and it is hard to understand how anyone could withstand a tornado that big.

[EsmaEverheart]

Being from Oklahoma, I have learned to always have a plan of what to do in case of a tornado. Having a storm shelter helps a lot, but I don't have one right now. Every school that has been built since the May 3, 1999 tornado outbreak has been required to have Safe Rooms for the students. Those Safe Rooms can withstand winds of 300 mph. But the schools that were hit today were old schools and didn't have the safe rooms. I understand that the teachers and students had taken refuge in the hall.

[naste.de.lumina]

Mother Earth has the need to re-balance, and unfortunately sometimes some of her children are on the way.
What I can do is pray for those who suffer from these consequences.
Force

[ThePythonicCow]

ZeroHedge has a video posted of this tornado (in a format I don't know how to post here): Stunning Time-Lapse Video Of 2-Mile Wide Oklahoma Tornado (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-20/stunning-time-lapse-video-2-mile-wide-oklahoma-tornado)

[ThePythonicCow]

There may be as many as 24 children in the elementary school that was demolished. What began as a "Search and Rescue" has become a "Search and Recovery", as the workers (firemen, etc) work layer by layer through the rubble.

[ThePythonicCow]

We received a "Tornado Watch" alert (the least urgent kind of tornado warning issued) where I live in North Texas. Moore, Oklahoma is about 150 miles north of where I live.

[Lifebringer]

All of the infrastructure should have been replaced with basements or storm shelters below ground, they are in tornado alley after all. Time for the people to make up their minds about global warming, regardless of how we got here, we are here. Time to prepare properly so they don't kill everybody in denial. I always wondered how come the walls and structures are not thicker now to tolerate the winds like in the `1800's and 1900's? they used the whole tree as a beam, where as the cheap building these days with "cellotech" fiber walls on every inch of a home, but the corners. Stapled, not nailed, and still using 2x4's when they should be using 4x4's against the winds. Basement structures are a must. Why aren't the mayor, Governor and representatives doing the right thing in the building codes of a tornado expected area. Either stop building in the area(which people won't) or reinforce them to withstand winds. I recommend Domed homes of super tough plastic wood and cement structures that are based 6ft in the ground with a basement and steel rebarb and slightly buried concrete floor of the home with cut out door for the basement. The concrete floor/ceiling should be under the dirt/foundation also because when the wind pulls, it will release when the house moves and the tornado will move off, and the people below can be safe.

[naste.de.lumina]

We received a "Tornado Watch" alert (the least urgent kind of tornado warning issued) where I live in North Texas. Moore, Oklahoma is about 150 miles north of where I live.

Take care brother.

[EsmaEverheart]

Moore is a subburb south of Oklahoma City. I live in a subburb north of Oklahoma City. I was in the tornado outbreak on May 3,1999. Actually it was 2 tornados that came about 30 minutes apart. One good thing about Oklahoma is that the Weathermen are very good at tracking where they will go and broadcast live coverage on the tv stations. I usually watch the live coverage. I also have a Weather Radio that sends me alarms of impending storms.

The thing with the elementary schools is just heartbreaking. I may see if the Red Cross needs some volunteers tomorrow. I did that after the May 3 tornados. I didn't have power for a week so I didn't have anything else to do.

[Wind]

http://www.transients.info/2013/05/at-least-26-tornadoes-touched-down-in.html

You're in my thoughts.

[Lifebringer]

I saw the live footage before they recognized it was a tornado. The rains were so dense, they didn't realize how big it actually was. The tv news station weather guy said "okay, let's go guys, hey, hey, let's go, down to the basement, let's go, go, go, now, now, now!

I called my hubby and told him to look at the size of it, and we just went silent for a few moments praying for safety of all.

[ghostrider]

I live about 90 miles northeast of moore, everone here is spooked.. watches and flood watches continue until 10 tonight with more possible tommorrow... my animals are acting scared and clingy ... I'm sending energy to route this storm away from tulsa ... pray for those in shawnee and moore , it's worse than the media photos and video, cars were thrown off the overpass and crushed onto other cars , lots of people still missing , the national guard has been mobilized ...

[EsmaEverheart]

Lifebringer, I think the footage you are referring is from a Kansas tv station during the tornado outbreak yesterday. They would never evacuate during a live tornado ourbreak on Oklahoma City tv stations. I have been watching them do tornado broadcasts for over 50 years here and even when the tv stations got sturck they kept broadcasting with back up generators. The Weathermen here take it personally if there is a fatality during an outbreak.

Also Oklahoma schools are required to have several Tornado drills every school year just like they have Fire drills. From my days as a Substitute Teacher it was part of the Tornado Drill to place students in interior hallways and bathrooms. So in the case of the schools that were hit today, the teachers were doing what they were trained to do in placing students in hallways.

[EsmaEverheart]

Ghostrider, it has been my experience that when my dogs are acting spooked that I need to pay attention. Our animals know when something is about to happen. I will certainly keep you in my thoughts and prays this evening.

[EsmaEverheart]

I was trying to embed a video taken a few minutes after the tornado struck. I just can't seem to do it...so here is the link:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591384340880465

[naste.de.lumina]

I was trying to embed a video taken a few minutes after the tornado struck. I just can't seem to do it...so here is the link:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591384340880465

All this destruction is very sad to see, so I can only imagine how terrible moments of the people who are living this situation.
I honestly have no words, and with a sinking heart I'll stop here.
I'll stay tuned for aid groups because it is the way I can help, and also to pray, of course.
I'm really sorry and extend my condolences to all Americans.

[Ellisa]

Now there are 91 reported deaths,--- and so many of them children.

What can we say? i agree with naste.. I am really sorry and send my thoughts and wishes as this horror plays itself out.

I hope there is an opportunity to donate to aid for these poor people. I know when we in Australia had those awful bush fires and people from all over offered help, it was comforting to know people cared.

[BIG CAT]

I want you guys to know that you are in my prayers and anyone who has been affected by this tornado stay strong, we are thinking of you all.
God bless you all.

[CD7]

WTH!!!! IM BESIDE MYSELF.....80% of the homes had NO BASEMENTS IN TORNADO ALLEY!!! OHHHhhhhh so disheartened by witnessing something tht could have been avoided. I havent read all posts but is there a LOGICAL explanation why there were no basements? Or is my feeling tht i am living in IDIOCRACY for real? However im gonna kick it down a notch and b humble...i live in florida with NO BOAT!!! :p

[CD7]

PS i have a pic of a news cast tht shows them drive past a street sign tht says --you guessed it--SANTA FE Ave..thought wow wht the odds the street sign they pass by is another version of Sandy..

Not saying it has to mean something..just an interesting cowinkeydink

Pic to come.......

[Another1]

I live 70 miles south of where this hit but am with you since moving to this state, 'Where are your basements?" ... it's weird to me that more people don't have them. As a child raised up north it seems the basement was more common/essential than a garage.

No boat eh? I hope you know how to swim :)

[EsmaEverheart]

This is a blog post that I saw posted on Facebook today and it about sums up what it takes to be an Oklahoman.

http://nicolemhill.com/2013/05/21/donate-cry-pray-then-read/

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Donate, cry, pray, then read

Posted on May 21, 2013 by mccullahill


Do you know what it takes to be an Oklahoman? You probably don’t because to be an Oklahoman is to be nuts, balls-to-the-wall crazy, off-the-charts insane. You have to be.

In Oklahoma, when you pop out of your mama, the doctors give you the once over. They check your eyes, because they know you’re going to have to stare down EF4 tornadoes and not flinch. They check the gravel in your guts, because true grit’s making a living from hard, dry land — molding a life from red clay. And they check your heart, because to be an Oklahoman is to be the smack-dab center of the Heartland.

Then you grow up in Oklahoma with your “Yes, ma’ams” and “No, sirs” and “Ranch, pleases,” and you learn how to drive in a place where you reserve one hand for waving to the neighbors you know and the neighbors you don’t know just quite yet. Your sentences are peppered with words like “hook echo,” “vortex,” “Pushmataha,” “biscuitsngravy” and “might could.”

You go to school and you learn the history of your state, from the Trail of Tears to the land run to the Dust Bowl to the Tulsa Race Riot to April 19, 1995 to May 3, 1999. You understand that you come from misfits and mistakes and pain. A lot of pain. You realize you come from underdog stock. You listen to a lot of Woody Guthrie, and you really get what it means.

At some point, life punches you in the gut for the first time. You watch the hand of God come down, and an entire town disappears off the map.

You fall to your knees and you cry and you spit and you cuss the day and night. And then you get up.

You don’t waste your time asking the heavens why. There’s work to be done.

You see someone else shaking their fists at the sky, so you reach your hand down. And then they get up.

That’s what being an Oklahoman is. Being so goddamned resilient and perseverant that ain’t nothing or nobody can keep you down. I’ve been a lot of places, lived in a few of them, and met many great people. Without minimizing anyone else, Oklahomans are a different breed. When you’re a little guy used to getting kicked, you not only learn to pop back up but you become the first one to reach out to others.

Oklahoma isn’t a place. It’s something in your blood. It’s something that you do. It’s the shirt off your back and a tear in your eye and the giddyup in your soul.

As we watched the wreckage from this latest prizefight with nature, several people asked me if I had people there — in Moore, in Shawnee. The answer is unequivocally yes. Every ever-loving, bless-your-heart mumbler in that grand land is My People. And God help us, My People don’t give up and don’t give in.

I love you, Oklahoma, and I thank my lucky stars that I’m one of yours. And if you don’t start installing storm shelters in every public building, I’m fixin’ to raise some hell.

[CD7]

Heres the sign...

[Sidney]

Heres the sign...

Did you also notice that the picture shows the sign in the formation of an X a known illuminatti symbol. Just another cowynkidink!!:eek:


BTW, and average basement costs between 30 and 50 thousand dollars. Thats why ppl don't put them in.

[ThePythonicCow]

BTW, and average basement costs between 30 and 50 thousand dollars. Thats why ppl don't put them in.
Yup.

I don't have such a basement ... I live on the southern edge of this tornado alley.

I couldn't just put in such a basement where I am, as I rent a lot in a trailer park. So the best I could do would be to buy a plot of land, move my trailer to it, figure out how to get decent Internet there (an essential for me), and put in a storm shelter there. All told, that would cost me that kind of money, at least. I wouldn't be living in a trailer park if I had that kind of money :).

According to The 25 Most Likely Ways You Will Die (http://list25.com/the-25-most-likely-ways-you-will-die/), your chances of dying in a tornado are one in 60,000, putting it number 18 on the list, though that is highly dependent on where you live. Of the 576 people world wide who died in a tornado in 2011, 552 of them were in the USA, with I presume most of those 552 in tornado alley:
http://personal.psu.edu/jea4/earth/tornado/image004.gif

Fire, car accidents, and health problems are bigger risks, amongst others.

[Ammit]

My heart goes out to all those affected by this tornado, be safe Paul and all others too.

[ThePythonicCow]

Over on iTulip, a forum that I was active on before here, one of the members has posted a large post with lots of images of the damage done by the Moore, Oklahoma tornado: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/25319-My-GOD-!

[Hervé]

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/13_Pics_of_Day/13_Pics_of_Day_pics/130521.OK.tornado.aerial.225.jpg


http://standeyo.com/NEWS/13_Pics_of_Day/13_Pics_of_Day_pics/130521.OK.tornado.225.jpg


More of the pictures here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328000/Oklahoma-tornado-2013-7-children-drowned-Plaza-Towers-Elementary-school-Moore.html

[CD7]

BTW, and average basement costs between 30 and 50 thousand dollars. Thats why ppl don't put them in.

But u would think it would b code for all buildings in Tornado alley to have safety bunkers...in fl the homes are built by a certain code to withstand hurricane winds

[ThePythonicCow]

But u would think it would b code for all buildings in Tornado alley to have safety bunkers...in fl the homes are built by a certain code to withstand hurricane winds
Tornado alley is too big, safety bunkers too expensive, and tornado's too narrow in their impact. Moreover, even in this tornado, one of the nastiest tornado's I can recall, there were only a few dozen deaths. Bunkers don't help save buildings taking a direct hit from a strong tornado - that would require some serious overdesign. There are limits to how "safe" we should make things.

[CD7]

But u would think it would b code for all buildings in Tornado alley to have safety bunkers...in fl the homes are built by a certain code to withstand hurricane winds
Tornado alley is too big, safety bunkers too expensive, and tornado's too narrow in their impact. Moreover, even in this tornado, one of the nastiest tornado's I can recall, there were only a few dozen deaths. Bunkers don't help save buildings taking a direct hit from a strong tornado - that would require some serious overdesign. There are limits to how "safe" we should make things.

Well thanks for tht...can always get a perspective from somone who lives in those areas tht others who dont live there arent aware of....But moopaul, i cant help but think tht there are basements gaalour in NY... (they have more money for an extra concrete box?).And arent they mainly just used for ENTERTAINING?! How bout building some basements down tht alley for saving lives LOl....

It reminded me of haiti where all those poor people were devastated much much more then if they had solid structures built for hurricanes...We Have the capability to avoid much and withstand much ..WE HAVE the Technology!! Its obvious where the care and concern goes.................not to the people

[Laurel]

But u would think it would b code for all buildings in Tornado alley to have safety bunkers...in fl the homes are built by a certain code to withstand hurricane winds
Tornado alley is too big, safety bunkers too expensive, and tornado's too narrow in their impact. Moreover, even in this tornado, one of the nastiest tornado's I can recall, there were only a few dozen deaths. Bunkers don't help save buildings taking a direct hit from a strong tornado - that would require some serious overdesign. There are limits to how "safe" we should make things.

Well thanks for tht...can always get a perspective from somone who lives in those areas tht others who dont live there arent aware of....But moopaul, i cant help but think tht there are basements gaalour in NY... (they have more money for an extra concrete box?).And arent they mainly just used for ENTERTAINING?! How bout building some basements down tht alley for saving lives LOl....

It reminded me of haiti where all those poor people were devastated much much more then if they had solid structures built for hurricanes...We Have the capability to avoid much and withstand much ..WE HAVE the Technology!! Its obvious where the care and concern goes.................not to the people

I don't understand it either. I grew up and still live in the midwest (2 different states) where we get our fair share of tornadoes. Everyone in both states has a basement (or a root cellar in the rural areas). We were taught at a very early age: crack the windows, then get down in the basement and hide under the stairs or under the utility sink.

With as anal as city & state code-makers, building inspectors and insurance companies can be, it is shocking that basements in these areas are not required.

Please understand, I don't mean to sound callous. My heart goes out everyone in the OK area and they are in my prayers.

[EsmaEverheart]

Paul has done a good job explaining the basement thing thus far. As an Oklahoman I can tell you that basements are know for being flooded here. Usually Oklahoma is known for being a dry state (Dustbowl). But when we do get rain, we can get up to 6 inches in one hour. Basements usually get flooded with that. And 7 of the kids who were fatalities were in a basement area of the Plaze Towers school drowned because that area flooded and they were trapped in there.

You need to understand that this was not a normal tornado. This was a monster tornado. There is no way anyone who did not get below ground or into a safe room could survive this. Our tv weathermen stresssed this on Monday. But there was only one hour between the time that the first cloud formed and the tornado hit Moore. As good as our Weathermen are at tracking these things it took them about 30 minutes to know were it would track.

You want to criticize the people of Moore for not having storm shelters. Well when a tornado like that happens and you are in a shelter, you are usually trapped because debris are on the door of the shelter. Can you understand that rescue workers had to get 101 trapped people out of shelters yesterday? A day after the tornado. There could be more that are trapped. The first reponders are having to sift through debris of whole neighborhoods to try to find these shelters and get people out. Oklahoma City requires that people register their storm shelters to help responders find them if something like this happens. As far as I know Moore didn't do this, but they probably will now. Also after the May 3, 1999 tornaod outbreak many people in Moore built shelters.

Oklahoma, problably more than anywhere else knows how to deal with stuff like this. The emergency management agency was assembled in the State Capital on Sunday afternoon, because they knew we would have several days of threat. And when they tell us there is a threat. WE LISTEN. Maybe you can't understand this, but I think it is pretty amazing that we had so few fatalities and injured. And that is because we listened. Also for the record, we had tornados on Sunday also. One came within a half of a mile of where my husband was working and destroyed a lot of homes too. My dog and I spent all afternoon Sunday in my closet. The frame of my house is built with steel beams instead of wood and it could probably withstand more of a hit than a house with a wooden frame. But if a monster was headed torward me, I would evacuate my house. When we know there is a threat, we gather up what we need and have it all ready to go.

I have heard others asking why the children were in school if we knew there was a threat. Can you realize that if we let school out because there could be a threat that our children would be out of school every single day in the spring and summer. As a matter fact in Oklahoma we could have a tornado any day of the year. So now we shouldn't send our kids to school ever because there could be a tornado that day?

A monster tornado came my way a couple years ago and there is a public school across the street from me that had safe rooms. The school opened for the public to come and take refuge. I took my dog and went. But since then most public buildings has stopped letting people take refuge there becuase of liability issues. But we in Oklahoma learn from this sort of disaster. It is already being discussed about making sure that all schools have storm shelters and that there are storm shelters for the public to go to.

And the last thing, I am proud of Oklahoma because we are people who help each other. Did you know that every single donation spot for the victims in the state has had to tell people to stop bringing donations because they don't have any more room to take it. THAT IS MY OKLAHOMA.

So please excuse me if hearing people criticise us rankles. You have absolutely no clue of what is like here so if you want to flame Oklahoma because you are ignorant, maybe you should tape your mouth shut and learn something before you open your mouth. And Paul, I am sorry if this post doesn't have the right tone, but as a moderater you know that I have never done anything like this before and probably won't do it again. So I won't be mad if you edit this.



Update: One more thing after all. You may ask why I live here. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else if a disaster happens. You see, in Oklahoma we don't sit around and cry that FEMA trucks aren't here to help us after something like this happens. We help each other. Did you hear about the Doctor who recuse 18 people from cars right after the tornado hit? That is why we live here.

[CD7]

Paul has done a good job explaining the basement thing thus far. As an Oklahoman I can tell you that basements are know for being flooded here. Usually Oklahoma is known for being a dry state (Dustbowl). But when we do get rain, we can get up to 6 inches in one hour. Basements usually get flooded with that. And 7 of the kids who were fatalities were in a basement area of the Plaze Towers school drowned because that area flooded and they were trapped in there.

You need to understand that this was not a normal tornado. This was a monster tornado. There is no way anyone who did not get below ground or into a safe room could survive this. Our tv weathermen stresssed this on Monday. But there was only one hour between the time that the first cloud formed and the tornado hit Moore. As good as our Weathermen are at tracking these things it took them about 30 minutes to know were it would track.

You want to criticize the people of Moore for not having storm shelters. Well when a tornado like that happens and you are in a shelter, you are usually trapped because debris are on the door of the shelter. Can you understand that rescue workers had to get 101 trapped people out of shelters yesterday? A day after the tornado. There could be more that are trapped. The first reponders are having to sift through debris of whole neighborhoods to try to find these shelters and get people out. Oklahoma City requires that people register their storm shelters to help responders find them if something like this happens. As far as I know Moore didn't do this, but they probably will now. Also after the May 3, 1999 tornaod outbreak many people in Moore built shelters.

Oklahoma, problably more than anywhere else knows how to deal with stuff like this. The emergency management agency was assembled in the State Capital on Sunday afternoon, because they knew we would have several days of threat. And when they tell us there is a threat. WE LISTEN. Maybe you can't understand this, but I think it is pretty amazing that we had so few fatalities and injured. And that is because we listened. Also for the record, we had tornados on Sunday also. One came within a half of a mile of where my husband was working and destroyed a lot of homes too. My dog and I spent all afternoon Sunday in my closet. The frame of my house is built with steel beams instead of wood and it could probably withstand more of a hit than a house with a wooden frame. But if a monster was headed torward me, I would evacuate my house. When we know there is a threat, we gather up what we need and have it all ready to go.

I have heard others asking why the children were in school if we knew there was a threat. Can you realize that if we let school out because there could be a threat that our children would be out of school every single day in the spring and summer. As a matter fact in Oklahoma we could have a tornado any day of the year. So now we shouldn't send our kids to school ever because there could be a tornado that day?

A monster tornado came my way a couple years ago and there is a public school across the street from me that had safe rooms. The school opened for the public to come and take refuge. I took my dog and went. But since then most public buildings has stopped letting people take refuge there becuase of liability issues. But we in Oklahoma learn from this sort of disaster. It is already being discussed about making sure that all schools have storm shelters and that there are storm shelters for the public to go to.

And the last thing, I am proud of Oklahoma because we are people who help each other. Did you know that every single donation spot for the victims in the state has had to tell people to stop bringing donations because they don't have any more room to take it. THAT IS MY OKLAHOMA.

So please excuse me if hearing people criticise us rankles. You have absolutely no clue of what is like here so if you want to flame Oklahoma because you are ignorant, maybe you should tape your mouth shut and learn something before you open your mouth. And Paul, I am sorry if this post doesn't have the right tone, but as a moderater you know that I have never done anything like this before and probably won't do it again. So I won't be mad if you edit this.

Esmaeverheart....not sure who u are directing this towards but ill assume im apart of it as ive been commenting on the structures built in oklahoma...

First i would like to say tht this is not an "oklahoma" "Haiti" or "florida" thing....To me it is a humanitarian issue--ANY humans involved--not critizing people within certain "drawn" lines. It seems you have taken offense to the posts--taking it personal.

It was not meant to critisize the people who live there....it is more of a critique at those who are in charge of building infrastructure...i dont believe their from Oklahoma? Really doesnt matter where there from----it can effect MANY

Im sorry you have experienced this so close to home...my posts come from a place where I KNOW things can b different based on intelligent design---Everywhere

If i tape my mouth shut...how will i learn anything?

[EsmaEverheart]

CD7, I wasn't really directing that rant at you. It just that I have heard people from all over the country flaming Oklahoma on tv in the last couple of days. And seriously, they don't know what they are talking about. As far as infrastructure goes, as far as I know it comes from Oklahoma. And as I said in my rant, we know how to handle this sort of thing. Remember, I was in 2 tornados about 30 minutes apart in the May 3, 1999 outbreak. We all have learned how to handle disasters since the Oklahoma City Bombing. I really don't know if anyone, anywhere else could have dealt with this sort of thing better than we have. I am not very close to Moore, but I do have family there and they were in their shelters on Monday. But unless you understand what it is like here, then you really don't understand that perhaps where you are couldn't have really done it better. Anyway, I meant no offense against you personally.

[EsmaEverheart]

Also, the Federal Government under Presidents Clinton and Bush has helped people in Oklahoma install shelters in their homes since the May 3, 1999 tornados. But President Obama stopped the funding. So, if you want to place more blame, perhaps its Obama's fault. (I am just kidding, but that is an example of how silly most of this finger pointing blame game stuff is.) And this small rant isn't directed at anyone personally.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Eyewitness tells of "War Zone" in O.K. "Feds Everywhere", "Doing Nothing"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP2qvgQWKqU&feature=player_embedded

[sheme]

For those that have gone ahead -all our babes , wise, loved and lost- Gayatri Mantra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N10A8wKlGAs Blessings and peace . Strength and love for those left to mourn.

[EsmaEverheart]

Eyewitness tells of "War Zone" in O.K. "Feds Everywhere", "Doing Nothing"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP2qvgQWKqU&feature=player_embedded


That video is not very accurate and here are just a few points of what they got wrong.

It’s a good thing that we don't wait for the Government to help us. Did you know that the Home Depot of Moore locked its cash registers and gave away shovels, flashlights, plywood, etc. after the tornado hit to help the people there.

Also it is standard procedure to lock down a school when something like this happens. Does anyone seriously think putting kids on a school bus and letting them get hit by a monster tornado is better than keeping them in school? The school released any students whose parents came to check them out during this lockdown, by the way. At some point the parent has to decide where it is safer to let their child stay put because of time factors or it they have enough time to go get them. As I mentioned before, it was only one hour between the time the first cloud formed and the tornado hit Moore.

And yes, the National Guard was deployed. That is because they are trying to keep out looters and lookey-loos who will clog up the roads so first responders can’t get to the injured. Not to mention that it is dangerous trying to go through all that rubble. So there is absolutely nothing that is sinister about that.

And the man saying people had no place to go is totally wrong...AGAIN. Every church in Moore that wasn't destroyed has opened its doors for people to come to. The University of Oklahoma also opened its dorm rooms for the displaced because their students are gone. From my experience these churches just opened their buildings and the Red Cross usually sets up to help people. So usually the church people aren’t in there preaching to people.

The guy in the Video also said that he doesn’t trust the Red Cross. Really? I have worked with the Red Cross after May 3, 1999. I would trust the Red Cross and Salvation Army any day, week, month or year before I would trust FEMA.

Now for the things in the video that I think they got right. I did hear that the FBI was there and that sounds suspicious to me. Also it does look like a war zone. Three hundred plus mph winds inside a vortex that is 2 miles wide and stays on the ground for 20 miles would do that sort of damage.

Anyway GlassSteagallfan, please, please don’t take this as an attack on you because I don’t mean for it to be. I really do appreciate your contribution, I just don’t agree with what they said in the video.

[lakewatcher]

All of the infrastructure should have been replaced with basements or storm shelters below ground, they are in tornado alley after all. Time for the people to make up their minds about global warming, regardless of how we got here, we are here. Time to prepare properly so they don't kill everybody in denial. I always wondered how come the walls and structures are not thicker now to tolerate the winds like in the `1800's and 1900's? they used the whole tree as a beam, where as the cheap building these days with "cellotech" fiber walls on every inch of a home, but the corners. Stapled, not nailed, and still using 2x4's when they should be using 4x4's against the winds. Basement structures are a must. Why aren't the mayor, Governor and representatives doing the right thing in the building codes of a tornado expected area. Either stop building in the area(which people won't) or reinforce them to withstand winds. I recommend Domed homes of super tough plastic wood and cement structures that are based 6ft in the ground with a basement and steel rebarb and slightly buried concrete floor of the home with cut out door for the basement. The concrete floor/ceiling should be under the dirt/foundation also because when the wind pulls, it will release when the house moves and the tornado will move off, and the people below can be safe.

I've also noticed, where I live, a lot of new construction being made with the superstructure of wood and wood products, even multistory apartment buildings. Whatever happened to concrete and steal? Your building recommendations make sense to me. I wonder why the contracting industry seems to be going in the opposite direction? Hum?? :confused:

[Sabrina]

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[EsmaEverheart]

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[EsmaEverheart]

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The average pay scale for Moore, Oklahoma is $57,500, so if Family Guy thinks that is poor people then I would like to know what they think is Middle Class income.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Location=Moore-OK/Salary

It really gets tiresome how other americans or even people across the Earth all think that Oklahomans are poor white trash. Geeze!

[Sabrina]

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The average pay scale for Moore, Oklahoma is $57,500, so if Family Guy thinks that is poor people then I would like to know what they think is Middle Class income.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Location=Moore-OK/Salary

It really gets tiresome how other americans or even people across the Earth all think that Oklahomans are poor white trash. Geeze!


More to the point - if this is an illustration of what is going to happen in plain sight - shouldn't Americans (and others) be outraged??? Couldn't this wake up a few of the unawake????

[EsmaEverheart]

Sabrina, it probably is true the tornados were created by man. Dutchsince even predicted it before it happened. But no matter what the source of this event is, there are still human beings that suffering because of it. That is what I have been focused on. Thank you for you contribution.

I just wish the rest of the world viewed Oklahoma like it really is instead of thinking they are better than us.

[Flash]

The average pay scale for Moore, Oklahoma is $57,500, so if Family Guy thinks that is poor people then I would like to know what they think is Middle Class income.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Location=Moore-OK/Salary

It really gets tiresome how other americans or even people across the Earth all think that Oklahomans are poor white trash. Geeze!

Your stats are wrong. 9% of the population make 57,0000 while 39% make around 32,000. This is lower middle class town. It reads like this:

Years of Experience

Less than 1 year
9%
1-4 years
43%
5-9 years
26%
10-19 years
20%
20 years or more
2%

ears Experience: Less than 1 year
Median Salary by Job
Job

National Salary Data (?)
$0 $26K $52K $78K
Mechanical Engineer $55,022

Software Engineer $62,132
Registered Nurse (RN) $48,134
Staff Accountant $40,329
Physician Assistant (PA) $75,738
Attorney / Lawyer $52,106
Electrical Engineer $58,870
PayScale
Country: United States | Currency: USD | Updated: 24 May 2013 | Individuals Reporting:


City: Moore, Oklahoma
Median Salary by Years Experience
Years Experience

Salary Data (?)
$0 $20K $40K $60K
Less than 1 year $57,500

1-4 years $32,000
5-9 years $39,000
10-19 years $43,790
20 years or more $50,750
PayScale
Country: United States | Currency: USD | Updated: 19 May 2013 | Individuals Reporting: 27

And even there something is wrong with those stats because usually more years of experience yield more salary........????

The point however is, it does not matter. They are working people (the unemployed stats were about nil) and therefore bringing to society. Not white trash. And even if they were, they are human being who have lost everything.

[Sidney]

FWIW, IMO a life is a life is a life. Poor,rich, middle,. Doesn't matter. I happen to think OK is BEAUTIFUL. I drove through once, and all the beautiful farms, pastures. Where I am from, people don't have much pride. Trash everywhere. They 4 wheel through the grounds of the state parks and tear it up. Take their muffler off their car/truck so they can sound "cool", and disrupt others peace and quiet. That is EGO. LOOK AT ME. I do find it more than coincidence that that family guy episode ran the day before. SICK The only thing to do is start occupying, rally the white house over the haarp issue. Rally the facility in alaska. rally something.

[EsmaEverheart]

Thank you, Flash and Wantsthetruth74, what you posted is what I was trying to say in my frustration over people saying things about Oklahoma like they were thinking we all live in houses with no building codes and that shoddy materials were used. Or that Oklahomans are just poor, ignorant people.

And just to clear up about the persception that it was inferior houses that were hit by the tornado; I heard a Meteorologist say this week that the force of the power of that tornado was the same as the force of the power of the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. How could anyone build houses that would with stand that kind of force? I also heard Mike Morgan, one of our local Meteorologist, say that this tornado was the worst one in the history of the world since we started keeping records. These kinda of tornados are rare and not the norm. I know the area that was sturck and these were nice brick houses not shacks.

I also know what the people of Moore are like. They are good hard working people.

Anyway, I am tired of trying to defend us Okies. I think I will just go and enjoy the rest of my Sunday.