Veteran Of The Psychic Wars

[Fred Steeves]

Hi everybody. The title of this thread is taken from one of my all time favorite songs: "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" by Blue Oyster Cult. There's one line towards the end that still haunts me every time I play it, after all these years:


You see me now a veteran of a thousand psychic wars
My energy is spent at last, and my armor is destroyed
I have used up all my weapons, and I'm helpless and bereaved
Wounds are all I'm made of
Did I hear you say that this is victory?

I truly do sense/(remember?) that there has been, at least according to our limited sense of "time", an endless war going on, a spiritual war, and one that we see continue to see manifest in our 3D realm to this day.

Here's why I think it has been "endless". Because we are compelled to keep fighting it... The "good" guys MUST defeat the "bad" guys, and the "bad" guys MUST defeat the "good" guys. And round and round we go.

Recall one of Orwell's famous examples of "double think": War=Peace.

The only way IMO that we are going to leave our common conundrum behind, is to stop fighting it. War does not equal peace, peace equals peace. And who is this epic struggle being waged against? Ourselves of course. The more we desire to escape being in this realm, the more we are only trying to escape from ourselves. The harder we fight the war, the harder we are fighting ourselves. A winless war, with no victors. Only more struggle and heartache.

What's the only true way to end a war? Well many will say by winning it, but that takes me right back to the final line of the song I quoted: "Did I hear you say that this is victory"?

When we have had us us a good long and introspective reckoning, and found a way to make peace within ourselves, there will be peace. Not for everyone, but for those who have at long last had it with the great struggle (usually at the point of being "helpless and bereaved"), and are ready to lay down their arms once and for all. Each in their own good time...

There's more than plenty of war to be had "out there", from the galactic and beyond, to right here on Earth, to right here within ourselves, for all who still crave the good fight. And there always will be... As is usual, the choice is ours.

Cheers,
Fred

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[PurpleLama]

Indeed, the end of war is....

to stop fighting.

[northstar]

I LOVE that song Fred! That song really gets the energy moving! haha!

With regards to the endless spiritual war that we are compelled to fight... I have a different perspective.

I think that there are too many souls on earth today who have no fight,
Who will willingly step into vans that come in the middle of the night,
Who will look up in the sky at the toxic chemicals raining down and
take a deep breath,
Who will fill their glasses with a tall glass of poisonous floridated water and
drink deep.
Who will keep silent when a mother abuses a child in the checkout line,
because it's none of our business,
Who will plead ignorance while agribusiness corporations wipe bees off the face of the earth,
because we're powerless, right?

The evils we face at this time are a clarion call Fred,
These perilous dark times call the warriors to step up and not concede to evil
but fight it to our last ragged dying breath.

(Fred, I say this because it is something I am passionate about. I am not trying to argue with you. I know you are a gentle, thoughtful soul and you are very genuine and sincere about what you say. Peace, friend)

[Fred Steeves]

(Fred, I say this because it is something I am passionate about. I am not trying to argue with you. I know you are a gentle, thoughtful soul and you are very genuine and sincere about what you say. Peace, friend)

Hi northstar. Like an Avalon member I hold in very high regards mentioned to me just recently: "Disagreement is not always bad in my opinion. I see it as a way of growing and learning, if I would look for agreement all the time I better get myself a tape recorder". :)

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[Mark]

Hi, Fred. My friend. I honor you and respect your viewpoints because I have felt your heart and soul and know you come from the best places.

Like you, I also see the value of peace. Of non-engagement and laying down our swords, turning them into plow-shares and studying war no more.

The trouble is, despite my experiences beyond the mundane, I find that I still have a warrior's soul. Despite the experiences of Samadhi and Turiya, Atman and Nirvana, there remains something in me that seeks to stand in front of those who cannot protect themselves and fight for them if necessary. That something keeps me involved in the world, keeps me watching the news to keep up with what the ptb are doing, keeps me paying attention to the fear-porn and the deeper not-so-hidden-anymore conspiratorial truths, so that I can tell others. The knowledge does not affect my peace nor does the threat of death sway my resolve because I know for certain what comes after death and where I will go. And even though I do not battle on the Astral like I used to in years past since my last Kensho experience last March, I have this deep certainty that this is only because those battles against invading alien hordes in the form of reptilians, insectoids and cunning, multidimensional entities and demons have been won, but that this time, now, is the calm before another, even greater storm that will finally bring some material resolve to the human question.

My Dharma is military-oriented in this lifetime, coincidence of coincidences, eh, my grandfather served in the Navy, my father served in the Air Force, retired from it and I served a 5-year stint in the Army.

I've been following troubling threads lately and seen the discussions, participated just a bit, and must admit that my attention is drawn because of my resonation to the awareness that I am and have been a trapped being, much larger energetically in potential and actuality than this body can support. And that there is a war brewing on an interdimensional scale that I have a part in, and that, when the time comes, I will be awakened fully to play my role, whatever that may be.


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This is an acknowledgement that many will not make because it will draw the derision and warrant the rolling eyes of those who have no idea what these feelings or abilities are and don't even really believe they are possible.

If all of these life experiences in the mundane and supernal worlds to expand my awareness and abilities have occurred in order to confront the Enemy on the scale necessary to defend Gaia and her children so that they can simply exist unmolested upon a planet that is dedicated to their peace, prosperity and uninterrupted spiritual evolution, and it comes to that moment when I am faced with the choice to sit back or stand up, I might, like Arjuna in the Baghavad Gita, make the choice all my experience tells me is mine to make in service of Terran Humanity and whoever and whatever some of us or even all of us represent at a higher scale of Being.

There is no death. We will all go on and on, in the direction of our choosing. And so if it comes to fighting, and it is for the right cause, which I perceive to be the case in this, greater quest for specied spiritual sovereignty and a return to what must have been a higher state of Being and the freedom to evolve naturally, I must play the role it seems I have lived to play.

And in another lifetime, we'll drink a beer together on a beach underneath 5 moons, Fred, and laugh about the good old days on Terra.

Blessings.

[DeDukshyn]

Reminds me a bit of what a "psychic" once said about my past lives. But she also did say that in all my "warring" for a better earth, I lost sight of the fact that the journey of this warring for me is complete, I just need that realization to come to appreciation of it -- it is a personal journey for each.

[naste.de.lumina]

Hello Fred.
I have a tendency to force me to thinking that a fight does not make sense, because it'd be going into their game.
Changing the way you play with peace would be perfectly ideal.
In a fight you will invariably create karma.
But a voice in the back of my consciences is saying a word ..
Omission.
Will also create karma.
My big dilemma.

[InCiDeR]

--
My original thought comes to life.

It filters through my mind and its intentions manifests as projections and creates reality. The manifestations reflects back distorted by my mind interpretations and thought forms created by others. What I will keep as memory is therefore not the original thought.

Next time I will project the distorted version of the original thought, its manifestation will be slightly different and the following reflection even more. Over time the original though will get lost in its transformation.

I start not to like what I see, because it feels like something is wrong with the world around me. I don't realise it is a child of my own creation. If I see war I will project war, if I see love I will emit love.

It is hard to see love when war comes around the corner. If I meet an attacker with violence I will just strengthen the "war distorsion" in the attackers mind... and in my mind as well when our co-created projections reflects back. It is highly likely that we will manifest war again next time we meet.

If I meet my attacker with love it will strengthen the "love distorsion" in both of us. When our projections reflects back it will have less "war distorsion" and therefore be closer to the original thought.

I do not believe the original thought was created to destroy itself, therefore I do not believe its intended manifistation in its pure form is to create war. The path back is therefore love.

My original thought comes to life... again
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[Nothingness]

Thanks for this Fred. I am going through a similar process, and maybe learning from you as I watch your experiences. I am thinking: Who am I disagreeing with when I look into the mirror of life? Maybe it is time to surrender deeper, and to forgive, and to love more because only then can I find more happiness and joy.

It seems our greatest strength is in our vulnerability after we surrender to a deeper knowing. Maybe we can only speak the truth we know, but always yield to the peace that loves eternally. Many blessings to you Fred, as I'm sure you already experience. You are one that seems to seek the high road when the pressure is on, and thank you for that.

[Fred Steeves]

Reminds me a bit of what a "psychic" once said about my past lives. But she also did say that in all my "warring" for a better earth, I lost sight of the fact that the journey of this warring for me is complete, I just need that realization to come to appreciation of it -- it is a personal journey for each.

That's a very succinct way to put it DeDukshyn, and it truly is a "personal journey for each". Thank you for that. Everyone's journey is perfect in it's own unique way. We all started from the same place, we will all return to the same place, and those returning home will arrive from every conceivable direction. So, perhaps I should be more careful in generalizing my own personal journey.

You see, I have the warrior's heart also, and very much so. When I first began to awaken 4 years ago, I was so thoroughly enraged at what I was discovering that I was fully prepared (even eager) to take up arms, and go out in a hail of gunfire if it came down to that. That rage against the machine very nearly destroyed me, and it led directly to a dark night of the soul period. During that period a very clear choice was presented: Continue on down the path of personal destruction, or chill the **** out and find another way. :nod:

Looking back now, it's becoming very clear that much of this life has been a tightly compressed re-run of a great deal of my soul's existence. Running, fighting, and playing both the good guy and the bad guy. Even today this is crystalizing more and more clearly, it's time to stop running, and it's time to stop fighting. This doesn't mean rolling over and playing dead by any stretch of the imagination, it simply means that there's another way, and it's so close I can taste it.

Like DeDukshyn's psychic said: "In all my 'warring' for a better earth, I lost sight of the fact that the journey of this warring for me is complete". That's pretty much it in a nut shell. Now does this mean that I will never again go to war? Well quite honestly I just do not know, as I have yet to be challenged with that final test. Ideally, passing that test would be similar to Morpheus answering Neo:

Neo: What are you trying to tell me, that I can dodge bullets?
Morpheus: No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.

Sorry for talking about myself so much, as I'm very loathe to do that, but this is such a riding the razor's edge of a topic that I thought it necessary to try and explain more fully just where it is I'm coming from.

Will the day come when I'm left with no other choice but grab a gun to defend my family and home to the bitter end? Maybe...

Will the day come when I don't have to? Maybe...

Cheers,
Fred

[Christine]

Hello Fred.
I have a tendency to force me to thinking that a fight does not make sense, because it'd be going into their game.
Changing the way you play with peace would be perfectly ideal.
In a fight you will invariably create karma.
But a voice in the back of my consciences is saying a word ..
Omission.
Will also create karma.
My big dilemma.

Ah yes, the crimes of omission. A tricky one indeed.

It depends on how one defines, fight, warrior and war. I am going to put a little of my understanding here. When one "goes to war" with the dark psychic vampires or whatever force from the dark side what are we actually doing?

First clearing our own self of the emotions of hate, vindication, revenge, or whatever may drive us that is considered negative.

Secondly on approaching any enemy one must know who they approach and compassionately understand their plight. Once contact is made the "war" is the effort it takes to hold the light as it were so that the "dark side" can perceive this consciousness and thereby change their point of view. Most dark entities I have run into are "stuck" in a limited point of view that appears to be the only or right one. If by "force" we mean holding the space open for them to metaphorically move around then they start releasing their "captured" energy. If attention is held long enough they can then exercise their free will and chose to return to their source or moment of creation or continue on their path of consciousness.

We are in the game, karma whether we like it or not. All paths are true and all paths will necessarily lead us to KNOWLEDGE. For me confront is necessary or I do take the path of omission and will eventually have to meet myself again. :)

[william r sanford72]

i was in second grade when i fought my first bully.they were picking on a girl at recess.my size seemed to encourage them and made a me a target to.i beat em both.it was awful.on the ground with the leader who was much bigger had me down i couldnt get his weight off me..but something happend in that moment.i flashed on him..in an instant i seen and felt what he did.i new his dad beat him and his mom and that pain and confusion was overwhelming.i manage to get him off and win the fight.but i didnot come up the same little boy.i cried forever..got sent home and in trouble.i bit part of the leaders earlobe off.i couldnt get the feelings from the little boy outta me and the fight made me feel awfful.BUT..i new then that i was gonna fight.soon the feelings from the boy faded.images a bit longer.i use to say that i was here to make sure the meek got what they deserved.im still fighting bullys.aint gonna stop until the last one is standing and i have fought my fair share and never ever felt any light in there defeat only deep sadness for there ignoranceand pain im a warrior . a small one but a warrior none the less and i learned there was many ways to fight and not every victory is a good thing.cool thread fred.

[lakewatcher]

When they descended from the mountain at the center of the world, they did fight a battle of defense, but they didn't fight it with violence, they fought it with light and love.

Try this thought experiment: Imagine an environment that is completely filled with light from all directions. Okay now, are there any shadows in such an environment? No. Now fill that environment with pure love. What do we have now? -- Fred, I know you already know all of this, and better than I. After all, you started The Sacred Circle.

So, what's my point? The divine does not violate. But does it defend? Yes, in my opinion, but in a non harmful way. To give up war and embrace peace, I don't think we have to give up self defense. War is violent. You can't win a war. If you defeat the attacker, you defeat yourself. It seems to me, that in the divine approach to defense you defend yourself and the attacker.

Defense of the attacker doesn't mean that we support the aims of the attacker, it means that we keep the attacker from injuring us or themselves.

Yes, I know, this takes very advanced spiritual being to accomplish. That's why we need to go to the top of the mountain (i.e. reach enlightenment, which restores our ability to act from the causal plane - which gives us back control of the environment), and we have to sincerely, from our own hearts, commit to acting only in accord with the will of the Father/Mother, the Source. That choice, I believe, is probably the difference between being an agent of the Christ Consciousness and not being one. IMO

[music]

When I was young, eight I guess, an older kid came up to me on the way home from school and said "you will not buy lunch tomorrow, you will give the money to me, or I will kick your teeth down your throat." When my dad got home, I told him, expecting him to go down the road and sort it out. Instead, he walked to the kitchen and got the biggest knife we had and gave it to me. "Tomorrow, when he comes, don't give him time to think, just pull the knife, and put it to his throat. Push it in, not enough to break the skin, just so he feels it, and when he feels it, say 'if you ever come near me again, I'll f@cken kill you'." So that is what I did. I had already started having visions by this stage, and I was a confused kid to say the least. The memories of my earlier horrific abuse were not quite all repressed now, but it was underway, and I was quiet, dreamy and withdrawn. This kid never expected what I did, but well, my dad said it was the best thing to do, and I was scared, so I did it. He actually p1ssed himself - literally - started crying like a baby, and when I took the knife away he ran. Now you would think this would make me feel pretty good, pretty powerful, wouldn't you? On the contrary, it was the saddest day of my life up to that point. I was miserable, and I remember thinking "so this is what fear can make you do?"

Did I hear you say that this is victory?

If we want peace, there is only one way it can be achieved - free ourselves from the fear that controls us.

[Fred Steeves]

so I did it. He actually p1ssed himself - literally - started crying like a baby, and when I took the knife away he ran. Now you would think this would make me feel pretty good, pretty powerful, wouldn't you? On the contrary, it was the saddest day of my life up to that point. I was miserable, and I remember thinking "so this is what fear can make you do?"

Did I hear you say that this is victory?

If we want peace, there is only one way it can be achieved - free ourselves from the fear that controls us.

Thank you for the story music, I'm sure that was quite the life/perception changing event. Reminds me of the old Chinese proverb: "Careful what you wish for (victory), you just might get it"...

[music]

Yesterday, I saved a butterfly from the rain. That was also a life changing event.

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[northstar]

Did I hear you say that this is victory?

If we want peace, there is only one way it can be achieved - free ourselves from the fear that controls us.

You communicated to the bully in the only language which he was able to understand.
You got the message across effectively.
You retained all your teeth (because the bully had no desire to kick your teeth in after you defended yourself).
You quite possibly gave the bully a profoundly life changing lesson.
You quite possibly not only saved yourself from a brutal beating but also many other children whom that bully would have attacked.

Yes, it made you feel bad because you are able to feel empathy.
Psychopaths cannot feel empathy and sometimes they need to be dealt with in terms they can comprehend.

Would it have been better to stand there, refusing to feel fear, as the bully kicked your teeth in? I am not trying to be sarcastic, its a sincere question.

[william r sanford72]

there are many ways to fight.if thats what you decide TO DO.im glad that stage of my teaching is done it sucked.fighting on play grounds and the streets that is.i almost didnt survive.with my soul and mind intact.im fighting an altogether didnt type now a days and they could really care less if im afraid or not.about the only differance now is you cant see my black eye.