For those who are able to open their mind further

[Chester]

Hi, I post this here and only this once. It is meant to raise awareness for some who may be caught up in the "happy dream" while most folks suffer. It is an excerpt from my post made on the another thread but I am compelled to bring it to the attention of others just in case it assists one in avoiding falling into a deeper trap that may effect all their lives attached to their soul.



And then of course we have the physically present "authorities" who, unfortunately (and as happened with me for almost 40 years and almost resulted in my own physical demise) - the proclaimed "spiritual teachers" that, when asked directly..."If this is all such a wonderful "divine plan" from some "GOD OF LOVE" who supposedly is our creator, then answer this question..."

"God, if I am your creation that you love, how could it be this is such a "divine plan" that so many of us suffer and remain clueless as to what might really be going on? And why does this eventual enlightenment (some "sell" to you as "soul evolution") occur for only a handful of folks during the same 60 or 70 or 80 year time spans?"

EDIT (ADDED 2013-05-22) - Seems far more likely the handful of a generation's current "enlightened, spiritual teachers" that promote this type of "ascended master" and "beyond the lower astral is all love and light" are simply fools (like I have been) that fell for the specialness aspect of being an "evolved soul from way beyond its time." It is these folks who are the most horrific prison guards. Sadly we have several "teachers" right here in Avalon and sadly, many folks (as I had been for almost 40 years) get sucked in by this garbage.

There is no justification for some "divinity" that manipulates mankind such that most of us suffer and suffer ridiculously. Buying into that crap and then falling for the specialness of it and then becoming a "spiritual teacher" (admitted or not... but seen by some of us by your actions) is inexcusable IMO. I hope this post is read by those it is meant for.

Read the full post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=675199&viewfull=1#post675199)

[ljwheat]

Hi, I post this here and only this once. It is meant to raise awareness for some who may be caught up in the "happy dream" while most folks suffer. It is an excerpt from my post made on the another thread but I am compelled to bring it to the attention of others just in case it assists one in avoiding falling into a deeper trap that may effect all their lives attached to their soul.



And then of course we have the physically present "authorities" who, unfortunately (and as happened with me for almost 40 years and almost resulted in my own physical demise) - the proclaimed "spiritual teachers" that, when asked directly..."If this is all such a wonderful "divine plan" from some "GOD OF LOVE" who supposedly is our creator, then answer this question..."

"God, if I am your creation that you love, how could it be this is such a "divine plan" that so many of us suffer and remain clueless as to what might really be going on? And why does this eventual enlightenment (some "sell" to you as "soul evolution") occur for only a handful of folks during the same 60 or 70 or 80 year time spans?"

EDIT (ADDED 2013-05-22) - Seems far more likely the handful of a generation's current "enlightened, spiritual teachers that promote this type of "ascended master" and "beyond the lower astral is all love and light" are simply fools (like I have been) that fell for the specialness aspect of being an "evolved soul from way beyond its time." It is THESE folks who are the most horrific prison guards. Sadly we have several "teachers" right here in Avalon and sadly, many folks (as I had been for almost 40 years) get sucked in by this garbage.

There is no justification for some "divinity" that manipulates mankind such that most of us suffer and suffer ridiculously. Buying into that carp and then falling for the specialness of it and then becoming a "spiritual teacher" (admitted or not... but seen by some of us by your actions) is inexcusable IMO. I hope this post is read by those it is meant for.

Read the full post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=675199&viewfull=1#post675199)

Care to take this another notch up Jacubs ladder? this will help your side. really deep stuff.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7_GoLn6K7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQNw0M5AtrI

[East Sun]

Thank you ljwheat,
That video is exceptionally interesting. Where can I get more of this guy to listen to?
Thanks in advance.

[ljwheat]

Thank you ljwheat,
That video is exceptionally interesting. Where can I get more of this guy to listen to?
Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQNw0M5AtrI on the right of this page is endless interviews with Santos, or Google Santos Bon

( This is definitely all about hidden, burned, rewritten history, with an agenda. This is better than wacky leaks trying to give us lies to throw the alterative crowd a curve ball. with reverse propiganda, leaks -- right. )

Listen close -------- You may loose your religion knowing the truth.

[etheric underground]

Only enlightened soul here to help you evolve.............IS YOU.

[conk]

God creates flawed individual. God condemns individual for being flawed.

Hey, give us human a break. After all, we're made of dirt and sin.

[Star Tsar]

Thanks justoneman sound advice taken on board this sports model! :p ;) :heh:

[Another1]

You are more generous than me when it comes to these folks. To be honest, I wish I had met more who were part of the problem by 'accident', or in innocense ... I built a lot of web pages for several who, on the bottom line, consider folks like many of us here as simple fools ripe for picking and deserving of our 'lessons' - we're fun to watch is what they usually told me

[Observer1964]

God creates flawed individual. God condemns individual for being flawed.

Hey, give us human a break. After all, we're made of dirt and sin.

Just a little question to God...
Did you really create us?
If so; why are we only able to use only 10% of our brain capacity?
It does not make sense if I go from - You creating us...

If created... why create something very powerfull and then reduce its working to 10%
In evolution it is said that only things that add up are kept.

It does make sense if other 'gods' manipulated us to be less optimal but more controllable however, but if that is true... what about my free wil?
I can understand if lesser 'gods' did that to have slaves just intelligent enough to obey spoken commands. But I don't like it.

It's embarrising to see how a chimp can remember things, compared to what an average human can remember...

zJAH4ZJBiN8

So forgive me if I have certain doubts about some of the things i can see in your creation...
Or things I am told to believe about you and your motivations...

gPOfurmrjxo

[Another1]

think of the 10% as your grub stake from days of old ... the rest is all yours for free ifin ya can get a hold of it :)

[Gardener]

Mr Astrotheology..........
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology/videos?view=0&flow=grid


Thank you ljwheat,
That video is exceptionally interesting. Where can I get more of this guy to listen to?
Thanks in advance.

[DeDukshyn]

God creates flawed individual. God condemns individual for being flawed.

Hey, give us human a break. After all, we're made of dirt and sin.

Just a little question to God...
Did you really create us?
If so; why are we only able to use only 10% of our brain capacity?
It does not make sense if I go from - You creating us...

If created... why create something very powerfull and then reduce its working to 10%
In evolution it is said that only things that add up are kept.

It does make sense if other 'gods' manipulated us to be less optimal but more controllable however, but if that is true... what about my free wil?
I can understand if lesser 'gods' did that to have slaves just intelligent enough to obey spoken commands. But I don't like it.

It's embarrising to see how a chimp can remember things, compared to what an average human can remember...

zJAH4ZJBiN8

So forgive me if I have certain doubts about some of the things i can see in your creation...
Or things I am told to believe about you and your motivations...

gPOfurmrjxo

The other 90% will become active when we awaken the consciousness that completes our creation. "God" in the sense of metaphor, has left the ball in our court, he needs to wait for our move, and that move is part of our evolution. When you put your hand in the fire - one gets burned, and feels the pain. We are still (as a whole species) feeling that pain and have not learned how to use our our collective "body" well enough to know how to remove the hand from the fire. But it is sure burning. Eventually, like any individual, the hand will be swiftly removed, and an awareness of how to prevent that pain will remain in place of that pain. This is the process of conscious evolution -- it works very similarly on an individual and a collective level.

The pain is needed to learn to avoid the things that cause the pain, or else ignorance will rule our actions (as is obviously the case currently).

I have kids. I can seal my son in his room and tell him how to be. I can lock him up and control his actions to "save him" like a "God" saving his people from perceived "harm". I can tell him all sorts of "dangers" and "how to be" forever and restrict all his freedon to ensure he is "saved".

But he will never a learn any lesson about himself, life or others, unless he gets that experience himself. He will get hurt, he will get burned, others will hurt him and he will hurt others, but eventually, he will learn what methods create him friends and networks and what methods earn him enemies and strife. If he is a fast learner, by the time he is in his late twenties he will have learned a bit about about social responsibilities, cooperation, working together, and advancement skills. As he does this he will become a high performance human. But without the pain and burning for those lessons, nothing can be learned, and behaviors cannot change.

The arrogance and ignorance of humanity is still quite strong -- humanity as a whole is a slow learner :)

BTW I love that George Carlin clip .. RIP

[seeker/reader]

Santos also has another Youtube channel for his radio shows.

The Santos Bonacci Show on American Freedom Radio and other radio shows he is a weekly participant on like, Syncretism with Santos Bonacci.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSantosBonacciShow



Mr Astrotheology..........
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology/videos?view=0&flow=grid


Thank you ljwheat,
That video is exceptionally interesting. Where can I get more of this guy to listen to?
Thanks in advance.

[InCiDeR]

That "using 10% of your brain" myth is a real persistent one! ;)


Top 10 Myths About the Brain


We've often been told that we only use about 10 percent of our brains. Famous people such as Albert Einstein and Margaret Mead have been quoted as stating a variation of it. This myth is probably one of the most well-known myths about the brain, in part because it's been publicized in the media for what seems like forever.

Where did it come from? Many sources point to an American psychologist of the early 1900s named William James, who said that "the average person rarely achieves but a small portion of his or her potential" [source: AARP]. Somehow, that was converted into only using 10 percent of our brain.

This seems really puzzling at first glance. Why would we have the biggest brain in proportion to our bodies of any animal (as discussed in the sixth myth in our list) if we didn't actually use all of it? Many people have jumped on the idea, writing books and selling products that claim to harness the power of the other 90 percent.

Believers in psychic abilities such as ESP point to it as proof, saying that people with these abilities have tapped into the rest of their brains.

Here's the thing, though; it's not really true. In addition to those 100 billion neurons, the brain is also full of other types of cells that are continually in use. We can become disabled from damage to just small areas of the brain depending on where it's located, so there's no way that we could function with only 10 percent of our brain in use.

Brain scans have shown that no matter what we're doing, our brains are always active. Some areas are more active at any one time than others, but unless we have brain damage, there is no one part of the brain that is absolutely not functioning.

Here's an example. If you're sitting at a table and eating a sandwich, you're not actively using your feet. You're concentrating on bringing the sandwich to your mouth, chewing and swallowing it. But that doesn't mean that your feet aren't working -- there's still activity in them, such as blood flow, even when you're not actually moving them.

So there's no hidden, extra potential you can tap into, in terms of actual brain space. But there's still so much to learn about the brain.

Source (http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/10-brain-myths10.htm)

[AlaBil]

For the best location for the Santos videos check out here..http://www.prometheanreach.com/santosbonacci

Scroll down to the Street Performances and you will find each of the videos in HD. You can download them and watch at your convenience.

[DeDukshyn]

That "using 10% of your brain" myth is a real persistent one! ;)


Top 10 Myths About the Brain


We've often been told that we only use about 10 percent of our brains. Famous people such as Albert Einstein and Margaret Mead have been quoted as stating a variation of it. This myth is probably one of the most well-known myths about the brain, in part because it's been publicized in the media for what seems like forever.

Where did it come from? Many sources point to an American psychologist of the early 1900s named William James, who said that "the average person rarely achieves but a small portion of his or her potential" [source: AARP]. Somehow, that was converted into only using 10 percent of our brain.

This seems really puzzling at first glance. Why would we have the biggest brain in proportion to our bodies of any animal (as discussed in the sixth myth in our list) if we didn't actually use all of it? Many people have jumped on the idea, writing books and selling products that claim to harness the power of the other 90 percent.

Believers in psychic abilities such as ESP point to it as proof, saying that people with these abilities have tapped into the rest of their brains.

Here's the thing, though; it's not really true. In addition to those 100 billion neurons, the brain is also full of other types of cells that are continually in use. We can become disabled from damage to just small areas of the brain depending on where it's located, so there's no way that we could function with only 10 percent of our brain in use.

Brain scans have shown that no matter what we're doing, our brains are always active. Some areas are more active at any one time than others, but unless we have brain damage, there is no one part of the brain that is absolutely not functioning.

Here's an example. If you're sitting at a table and eating a sandwich, you're not actively using your feet. You're concentrating on bringing the sandwich to your mouth, chewing and swallowing it. But that doesn't mean that your feet aren't working -- there's still activity in them, such as blood flow, even when you're not actually moving them.

So there's no hidden, extra potential you can tap into, in terms of actual brain space. But there's still so much to learn about the brain.

Source (http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/10-brain-myths10.htm)

I can't find a whole source for my info but I found this: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=238777

Anyway, this 13 yr old kid (or how ever old he was) had half his head blown off by his manager, who thought he was a burglar, or something after hours. Anyway the kid lived with hallf a head and his brain fully rewired to be a full brain. He was able to eventually graduate from college or something.

I saw two shows on this guy -- one one the initial accident and his amazing recovery and another a few years later on how they where trying to fit him with a "head" prosthetic, so he didn't look like walking dead anymore. Crazy stuff, but consider his half a brain rewired to be good enough for anything humans do ... 10%? no proof, but something, I'd say. ;)

If anyone (like Paul ;)) has good searching abilities to help me support this, it would be appreciated. My searches didn't find much other than the above. :(

[InCiDeR]

Half a brain is still 50% yes?

Anyhow, many times the brain has impressive rerouting skills when it comes to brain damage. But I've also seen several that lost many of its body functions due to minor head injuries.

Maybe many functions have nothing to do with the brain at all. Where is our conscioussness located?

[ThePythonicCow]

If anyone (like Paul ;)) has good searching abilities to help me support this, it would be appreciated. My searches didn't find much other than the above. :(
Search for "Ahad Israfil" :)

[Prodigal Son]

Thank you ljwheat,
That video is exceptionally interesting. Where can I get more of this guy to listen to?
Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQNw0M5AtrI on the right of this page is endless interviews with Santos, or Google Santos Bon

( This is definitely all about hidden, burned, rewritten history, with an agenda. This is better than wacky leaks trying to give us lies to throw the alterative crowd a curve ball. with reverse propiganda, leaks -- right. )

Listen close -------- You may loose your religion knowing the truth.
Thank you for this. Santos Bonacci is amazing. I had seen him one other video about the zodiac in the new testament but I didn't know he had a radio show. I was able to get halfway through this one tonight before bed ... at minutes 34-36 Santos blows my mind and says that in the mid-90's he was a devout Jehovah's Witness.... and

At 42 minutes Max Igan hits the nail on the head with the reason for Sandy Hook and Boston being so blatantly staged: To vilify the alternate news community.

[Observer1964]

think of the 10% as your grub stake from days of old ... the rest is all yours for free ifin ya can get a hold of it :)

Well I think of it like when compared to a PC the BIOS, and in that comparison, our DNA as the wiring.
So we have a CPU that is 64 bit, but it is wired only 8 bit.
Al that disconnected DNA is now looked upon asif it is junk.

DNA is much like a program, but our DNA has a lot of switched-off functions, like a trial version of any software it is reduced in its working, you cant acces much of the important functions like longevity, clearvoyanse, telepatic communication etc...
So who did this and why?
and when you start thinking about that, one of the obvious conclusions is that someone who can and only needed it for what he wanted from us...
This then could very well be those anunnaki who needed workers.
At least this makes more sense to me than any divine being who loves us so much that he reduces us for protecting us from ourselves.
Why didn't he do it to chimpanzees?

[Another1]

I began to suspect that alleged 'loving' being when I read the parts of its book where some committee seems scared to whits of them pesky humans learning anything and/or working together ... that creature and its friends are protecting themselves from humans, it's clear in their own words.

As long as this door is open I will go further and assert that they saw an awakening was due and worked dillegently to direct it - can't have 6-7 billion people wake up p**** off now can we? so, philosophical flouride is heaped into the system in massive amounts to pull our teeth and nails ... channeled books, well-known angels with messages and special ET friends who only communicate well with a couple special people .... with all their 'loving advice' get us to give up connection to system and shun its most powerful tools .... so we can be all awakened and love the flowers n birds but for the most part, can't get our hands on the tools needed to work within said system as well as the controllers do because our minds are taught to reject 'this folly of the 3D verse'

Is this a fun trick or what? Their opponent nears the point where real competition could possibly occur, so they simply change the programming and convince the lil chicks they do not want success. Lather-Rinse-Repeat.

[DeDukshyn]

I began to suspect that alleged 'loving' being when I read the parts of its book where some committee seems scared to whits of them pesky humans learning anything and/or working together ... that creature and its friends are protecting themselves from humans, it's clear in their own words.

As long as this door is open I will go further and assert that they saw an awakening was due and worked dillegently to direct it - can't have 6-7 billion people wake up p**** off now can we? so, philosophical flouride is heaped into the system in massive amounts to pull our teeth and nails ... channeled books, well-known angels with messages and special ET friends who only communicate well with a couple special people .... with all their 'loving advice' get us to give up connection to system and shun its most powerful tools .... so we can be all awakened and love the flowers n birds but for the most part, can't get our hands on the tools needed to work within said system as well as the controllers do because our minds are taught to reject 'this folly of the 3D verse'

Is this a fun trick or what? Their opponent nears the point where real competition could possibly occur, so they simply change the programming and convince the lil chicks they do not want success. Lather-Rinse-Repeat.

The tools needed are more simple than people think -- they already exist and are readily available to almost anyone willing to put in an honest effort. People like to shout at the "evil" from their victim's chair far more than they like to pick up the tools of change.

[Another1]

wondered how long it would take for that to come up ... yea!

[DeDukshyn]

Half a brain is still 50% yes?

Anyhow, many times the brain has impressive rerouting skills when it comes to brain damage. But I've also seen several that lost many of its body functions due to minor head injuries.

Maybe many functions have nothing to do with the brain at all. Where is our conscioussness located?

I believe the brain is a mere junction point between physical perception and spiritual one. A filter / receiver / transmitter. At the same time if 50% of a brain can rewire to become almost as good as a whole brain, what can a whole brain do? I think along these lines is where the 10% myth comes in. The brain does seem grossly underused in some ways. I see the brain as slow and cumbersome anyway compared to to the lightning fast actions / responses that come from being centered in the moment without any thought, which (I believe) allows our "higher self" or "spirit" or whatever you want to call it, to interact directly with our nervous system, succeeding the brains capabilities.

[Chester]

I see the brain as slow and cumbersome anyway compared to to the lightning fast actions / responses that come from being centered in the moment without any thought, which (I believe) allows our "higher self" or "spirit" or whatever you want to call it, to interact directly with our nervous system, exceeding the brains capabilities.


Note I altered a word in the quote as I sense this was what was meant...

It appears to me to bypass the "happy dream" BS, one must indeed have that strong connection to what I see as their soul (if they have one).

It seems to me those who are content with "the happy dream" have forgotten about much of the rest of us, but that is certainly their right so to do. I have found it impossible to turn my back on others by pretending they are simply having to experience an evolution which can only be exceeded by discovering, facing, accepting all the lies, indeed a world which is based on levels and levels of lies which is "our loving creator's divine plan" for us. Ludicrous... believe in that? Rationalization by nothing but cowards IMO.

And then to sell that to the innocent and less informed, all but unforgivable.


The tools needed are more simple than people think -- they already exist and are readily available to almost anyone willing to put in an honest effort. People like to shout at the "evil" from their victim's chair far more than they like to pick up the tools of change.

Its simple perhaps, but its also very clear that many who know chose to hide these tools from the masses. They then assist in creating and bombard our children with every sort of fairy tale imaginable to keep the masses in a state of confusion.

Simple, perhaps true (easy for you and me to say that now that we are on the other side), but very, very difficult for a child to have access to these simple truths and tools in almost all cases on earth today.

Seriously and totally dickriculous.

[lookbeyond]

I see the brain as slow and cumbersome anyway compared to to the lightning fast actions / responses that come from being centered in the moment without any thought, which (I believe) allows our "higher self" or "spirit" or whatever you want to call it, to interact directly with our nervous system, exceeding the brains capabilities.


Note I altered a word in the quote as I sense this was what was meant...

It appears to me to bypass the "happy dream" BS, one must indeed have that strong connection to what I see as their soul (if they have one).

It seems to me those who are content with "the happy dream" have forgotten about much of the rest of us, but that is certainly their right so to do. I have found it impossible to turn my back on others by pretending they are simply having to experience an evolution which can only be exceeded by discovering, facing, accepting all the lies, indeed a world which is based on levels and levels of lies which is "our loving creator's divine plan" for us. Ludicrous... believe in that? Rationalization by nothing but cowards IMO.

And then to sell that to the innocent and less informed, all but unforgivable.


The tools needed are more simple than people think -- they already exist and are readily available to almost anyone willing to put in an honest effort. People like to shout at the "evil" from their victim's chair far more than they like to pick up the tools of change.

Its simple perhaps, but its also very clear that many who know chose to hide these tools from the masses. They then assist in creating and bombard our children with every sort of fairy tale imaginable to keep the masses in a state of confusion.

Simple, perhaps true (easy for you and me to say that now that we are on the other side), but very, very difficult for a child to have access to these simple truths and tools in almost all cases on earth today.

Seriously and totally dickriculous.

Ok then justonefixer, how do we begin? From my perspective, slowly and with those in our inner circles. Eg our children, providing safe spaces for questions and answering honestly to the best of our ability and hoping that even if our more enlightened views fall at this time on barren ground, its still a seed planted for the future.
My biggest concern for the children is what to tell them about death, if "as above so below is true" then how do we proceed.

lb

[DeDukshyn]

I see the brain as slow and cumbersome anyway compared to to the lightning fast actions / responses that come from being centered in the moment without any thought, which (I believe) allows our "higher self" or "spirit" or whatever you want to call it, to interact directly with our nervous system, exceeding the brains capabilities.


Note I altered a word in the quote as I sense this was what was meant...

It appears to me to bypass the "happy dream" BS, one must indeed have that strong connection to what I see as their soul (if they have one).

It seems to me those who are content with "the happy dream" have forgotten about much of the rest of us, but that is certainly their right so to do. I have found it impossible to turn my back on others by pretending they are simply having to experience an evolution which can only be exceeded by discovering, facing, accepting all the lies, indeed a world which is based on levels and levels of lies which is "our loving creator's divine plan" for us. Ludicrous... believe in that? Rationalization by nothing but cowards IMO.

And then to sell that to the innocent and less informed, all but unforgivable.


The tools needed are more simple than people think -- they already exist and are readily available to almost anyone willing to put in an honest effort. People like to shout at the "evil" from their victim's chair far more than they like to pick up the tools of change.

Its simple perhaps, but its also very clear that many who know chose to hide these tools from the masses. They then assist in creating and bombard our children with every sort of fairy tale imaginable to keep the masses in a state of confusion.

Simple, perhaps true (easy for you and me to say that now that we are on the other side), but very, very difficult for a child to have access to these simple truths and tools in almost all cases on earth today.

Seriously and totally dickriculous.

Yes indeed, I cannot fault your observations.

But it's not about those with "happy dreams" any more than it is those with out dreams of "terrorism". The lesson is the same in all regards -- all instances. We all observe the external and say this means this and this means that - New age fluff, terrorist(political) propaganda, whats the difference?

The same lessons need to be learned. The tools for one helps with the other, etc.

There's more I want to say but I'm good with that for now.

[Chester]

Yes indeed, I cannot fault your observations.

But it's not about those with "happy dreams" any more than it is those with out dreams of "terrorism". The lesson is the same in all regards -- all instances. We all observe the external and say this means this and this means that - New age fluff, terrorist(political) propaganda, whats the difference?

The same lessons need to be learned. The tools for one helps with the other, etc.

There's more I want to say but I'm good with that for now.

Thanks, DeDukshyn, for the clarification. I agree fully.

[Chester]

I think I need to make sure I am clear about what I hoped to convey by starting this thread.

I believe those who perceive themselves "enlightened" (and though they may deny publicly being a spiritual teacher they still emulate the role and harbor that "special role" secretly within their own mind known only to those who can read it (haha) and then, because of their abilities to experience (and do so subjectively - which is the only way they can) the astral realms, other dimensions, etc... and then they come back from those experiences and proclaim that those realms as they experienced them are the one and only real realms of experience, the one and only true reality and then they further conclude and then therefore proclaim that there is a "divine plan" created by what can only be some external being they call, "God," and that this so called "divine plan" includes massive suffering for the very "children of God" (would you put your child through this??) over dozens if not hundreds of lifetimes for you to "learn"... that they so vehemently put forth this is the one and only truth is about the most horrific disservice a person that proclaims they "love" everyone could possibly fall for... always saying things with the word "love" in it and then... to add even more, attack folks who have had experiences that does not fit within their paradigm (ohhh no!!! what if what I think is an incomplete picture!!) no way that person is capable of then saying, "You know? There might be more to this than just a bunch of love and light and a loving "god" thingie with "its" "divine plan" which each one of us must discover our own individual "purpose" assigned by this lovely "god.""

I mean seriously. I am no rocket scientist but I can clearly see through this BS.

All I have ever meant to convey is that anyone who proclaims to be able to tell any other what is "the truth", "the reality" is full of it. And that includes me as well.

So my wish from all this, is that all these explorers that become "knowers" descend from their perches and become the explorers again they started out as such that perhaps, together, we might actually discover the nature of the insanity that clearly reigns on earth at this time. Anyone here argue with this last assertion? That the experience on earth in 2013 is not characterized primarily by insanity?

[Youniverse]

Hi, I post this here and only this once. It is meant to raise awareness for some who may be caught up in the "happy dream" while most folks suffer. It is an excerpt from my post made on the another thread but I am compelled to bring it to the attention of others just in case it assists one in avoiding falling into a deeper trap that may effect all their lives attached to their soul.



And then of course we have the physically present "authorities" who, unfortunately (and as happened with me for almost 40 years and almost resulted in my own physical demise) - the proclaimed "spiritual teachers" that, when asked directly..."If this is all such a wonderful "divine plan" from some "GOD OF LOVE" who supposedly is our creator, then answer this question..."

"God, if I am your creation that you love, how could it be this is such a "divine plan" that so many of us suffer and remain clueless as to what might really be going on? And why does this eventual enlightenment (some "sell" to you as "soul evolution") occur for only a handful of folks during the same 60 or 70 or 80 year time spans?"

EDIT (ADDED 2013-05-22) - Seems far more likely the handful of a generation's current "enlightened, spiritual teachers" that promote this type of "ascended master" and "beyond the lower astral is all love and light" are simply fools (like I have been) that fell for the specialness aspect of being an "evolved soul from way beyond its time." It is these folks who are the most horrific prison guards. Sadly we have several "teachers" right here in Avalon and sadly, many folks (as I had been for almost 40 years) get sucked in by this garbage.

There is no justification for some "divinity" that manipulates mankind such that most of us suffer and suffer ridiculously. Buying into that crap and then falling for the specialness of it and then becoming a "spiritual teacher" (admitted or not... but seen by some of us by your actions) is inexcusable IMO. I hope this post is read by those it is meant for.

Read the full post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=675199&viewfull=1#post675199)

How about just accepting that you are fully responsible for yourself and your reality? Not a victim. And that you and all others are fully divine beings with physical bodies that come and go. All the material world is unstable and thus shifts in to something else everntually. Chalk it all up to a passing dream and move on. We take this way more seriously than we should. The divine plan is right here with you, me, and everybody. It starts right here. The problem is many haven't accepted their own power yet and continue to believe God is something outside themselves.

[DeDukshyn]

I think I need to make sure I am clear about what I hoped to convey by starting this thread.

I believe those who perceive themselves "enlightened" (and though they may deny publicly being a spiritual teacher they still emulate the role and harbor that "special role" secretly within their own mind known only to those who can read it haha) and then, because of their abilities to experience (and do so subjectively - which is the only way they can) the astral realms, other dimensions, etc... and then they come back from those experiences and proclaim that those realms as they experienced them are the one and only real realms of experience, the one and only true reality and then they further conclude and then therefore proclaim that there is a "divine plan" created by what can only be some external being they call, "God," and that this so called "divine plan" includes massive suffering for the very "children of God" (would you put your child through this??) over dozens if not hundreds of lifetimes for you to "learn"... that they so vehemently put forth this is the one and only truth is about the most horrific disservice a person that proclaims they "love" everyone could possibly fall for... always saying things with the word "love" in it and then... to add even more, attack folks who have had experiences that does not fit within their paradigm (ohhh no!!! what if what I think is an incomplete picture!!) no way that person is capable of then saying, "You know? There might be more to this than just a bunch of love and light and a loving "god" thingie with "its" "divine plan" which each one of us must discover our own individual "purpose" assigned by this lovely "god.""

I mean seriously. I am no rocket scientist but I can clearly see through this BS.

All I have ever meant to convey is that anyone who proclaims to be able to tell any other what is "the truth", "the reality" is full of it. And that includes me as well.

So my wish from all this, is that all these explorers that become "knowers" descend from their perches and become the explorers again they started out as such that perhaps, together, we might actually discover the nature of the insanity that clearly reigns on earth at this time. Anyone here argue with this last assertion? That the experience on earth in 2013 is not characterized primarily by insanity?


Use science instead.

Vibrational physics. All is a vibration. "Strings" - the real "building blocks" of sub atomic particles are nothing. Nothing but a mere vibration of electromagnetic energy. There is no "physical". Physical is the "image" or representation of the mingling of the various vibrational frequencies of all the unique "Strings" that make up any particle, and then atom - etc. The electromagnetic vibration is what is real, the particles and atoms are the "physical" result, but it is just an image. Without the vibrational qualities of tose strings matter cannot exist at all.

To use a good metaphor: Consider art and patterns made from vibrations - a similar but far more coarse and crude example - but the concept is the same.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/cym_fig2.gif

In the image, you can see how the complex vibrations were able to make beautiful in the sand. Now draw that with you fingers in the sand. Go ahead, replicate these images with sand. Use some tools even - perhaps an artists brush. This image is the physical result of the vibration. Notice that when you try to change things from the physical with the physical -- all you get is ugly. Notice that when the subtler and higher forms of energy are used, you get nothing but fascinating beauty. The reason is that the physical is the result. You don't try to change the result by interfering with the results -- in science that is tampering. But on planet earth it has become the only way we know how to live for the most part. By tampering with the result instead of the inputs.

Everything we can perceive is vibrational energy, and also, all that we can't perceive. Everything has a base vibration, that gives it it's level of persistence in the physical realms, or keeps it from the physical realms. Light is one energy that can exist in both places, although apparently not at the same time (light particle vs light wave, double slit experiment, look it up if needed). Love is something that very few people understand. It is not an emotion or a feeling, it is an energy, like light, but has no physical aspect on its own. But it might be said that it is the source of all vibration, imagine a transformer (guess what that refers to?), that steps down a pulse from 100000000 hz to 1000 hz. That allows vibrations to get into a range where "physicality" can occur.

Some people have a sense of this, others have some basic understanding, others have been told by others, etc. I think this is the "dickrikulousness" you refer to. Especially when people just follow others without understanding any of this -- that is how religions work. ;) (it was once a crime that sought the punishment of beheading for a layman to read and translate the bible himself)

So I think that there is framework around some of this "fluff" which valid, the issue is the "religiousizing" of that perspective due to the fact that few can actually comprehend the whole picture.

Our physical "reality" is merely results. Even in the simplest forms, consider that all actions of man are not the result of his physical work, but of his thoughts - the thought, the idea, the concept can live forever, the physical result will crumble and fade in an instant - in galactic terms.


Of course my rant is philosophical and requires a little imagination and brain bending to fully encompass my intentions, but I have little care for my thoughts that may arise of those who choose to live their lives in ways that I may not personally agree with.

At the heart of this perceived issue lies the sick fascination in caring what others do, think or believe, that seems to be programmed into our culture, I think this what you were trying to hit on. And it is valid.

And in closing, all the suffering of man is the result of his own tampering with the physical, in other words we don't know how to be a human - whether this was by choice, force, or due to lost/stolen knowledge, or the fact that we haven't yet discovered this en mass is less relevant.

My 2 cents, take it if it has worth ;)

[Team Zen]

At 42 minutes Max Igan hits the nail on the head with the reason for Sandy Hook and Boston being so blatantly staged: To vilify the alternate news community.

Here's an example: http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-man-flips-out-alex-jones-false-flag-2013-4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2xhg_vPP6s&feature=player_embedded
(Caution: The aggressor is quite a potty mouth)...

[STR]

What is enlightened? To all of us the definition would be as individual as each of us. What is good for you should not necessarily have to be good for me or anyone else. With that said tho after digesting some of this let me add my thoughts as new member here from the browsing I've done so far.

This forum is out of balance. I see now why I was guided here. You all are not as harmonized as you think you are. What I see is a forum leaning so far toward love and light end that you basically shove away anything else brought up, even ban it. Now I can not cite examples as I would not suggest it is a conscious thing but seriously Bill, too much of one and not the other is still out of balance and unhealthy. You, me all of us here are all guilty of containing light and dark, yin and yang, positive and negative and you cannot take the negative pole off a magnet just because you don't want it anymore so in some ways I agree here based on precursor exam of the forum as a whole for what I can see of it. Granted I have not seen enough to really say with confirmation as I'm sure some aspects of this forum contain controversy. So far I have not seen it tho. What I have seen is when controversy comes up it seems to be shut down rather than learned from.

I have been out of my body. Both from natural events mostly at night during 'dream' states and I know and have known I've had contact with something, some "other' of the others out there in the mind of the one as other aspects of the single organism that is us. I believe all we behold is us. Not separate but us. We are the all. We as in God does this to himself/herself/itself as a method of learning and growing. Having been out I was shown a great deal that I recently (2011) published under a pen name but leaving that out I'm going to share something that perhaps was why I was led here. Honestly I've been questioning why my guides brought me here. I have no questions, no problems or issues and walk in balance in life. What could I possibly learn. Stupid of me of course as I have learned a lot since joining but with that said let me for a change teach for this post.

We are more than our bodies. Much more. Experience here in the organic is an honor. You should be so damn lucky to play here, experience here and in doing so aid yourself, god, the one to learn and grow. The old symbols of the dragon, snake or lizard consuming it's own tail tell it all. It is god, the one feeding on self. Doing all this, both positive and negative to himself to grow, expand and just as the universe is seen to expand real time by our scopes in the sky so too is this God the one growing right before our eyes by this expansion of consciousness which by the way, is the substance of the universe. It is not matter that is the substance of the universe. That is a dead end science as so called learned among us are fast awakening to.

Listen I've never shared this as myself! Its a bid deal for me to reveal this link because I've kept it hidden unpublished in my blogger as drafts for years. Only recent did I put it out there and low and behold I've been turned on now to others independently putting out the same stuff. I make pocket clips. I invented the one I make for folding knives. While the clip already existed in the industry I took it and changed it making it my own to suit me by making it a 180 degree fold over to bury the knife in the pocket. When I started making them in the industry no one ever heard of a low rider clip or fold over clip. Now you see them all over the industry copied and used because customers want them, ask for them and I'm living proof of how one man in his back yard shop can affect an entire industry by himself with his own tools. I did that. I live it daily and when I was awakened to this it caught me off guard because I am considered by many to be a guru. A knife guru yeah but the title fits. I know folders, particularly locking folders and I know and am considered to be the best in the world for my clips. Ask anyone. You can't go to a show for knives anywhere in the world that people are not all around you with my clips on their folders. I am not bragging here its just simply the fact. It snuck up even on me and a customer had to point it out to me because I was too busy to see it.

Now I know and upon learning of how I affected the world I work in for my 'game face' I published this "Magnificent Framework" and while less than 200,000 have read it at this point even though I was trying to keep it to myself I've come to the conclusion that a lot of it is right on the money.

I have never pushed it. Would not do that and we all learn and grow so its unending this growth. I add this for you now that I've spit that out confessing my secret self here for the first time and I do so because I think it is relevant to your discussion. There is no sinister. Not really when you can see things from the perspective of spirit, of God and when you see it for what it is its actually quite beautiful. All through life no matter where you look, even my own back yard garden area which is a paradise to us here in Oklahoma, is a recovered healed over garden from lost blown away gardens in the past and from that destruction, regrowth came and just like Yosemite, just like Yellowstone, just like any construction site where man is building from that destruction comes growth, expansion, beauty and wonder!

Think long and hard about this. If life was easy no progress is made really. People sit on the fence. Little motivates them into action. A natural disaster, a disrupted society forces people to dig deep into their inner resources. It makes us discover what we are really capable of, just how far our endurance can be pushed and in the end this stimulus is what moves mankind and all life forward to progress by learning and growing. All that you see going on here, both positive and negative happenings are nothing less than necessary for allowing, aiding/helping god to grow. Even the forgetting we go through to come back is part of the new experience and the growth from that and also part of that is that the human brain just cannot see or process the world the way you can as your true self so it is hard to convey once coming back to the 3D world. Old sayings like the sweet taste of success, or I can smell your fear all stem from this knowledge I share with you about emotions and bio electric energy. The ancients taught this and much more like that God created individuals born at differing points in time along the Zodiac and with different personality traits opposing each other to create conflicts and animosity. The ancient Japanese and many modern Japanese today believe this firmly about blood types being very keen on what mixes of blood types are allowed or recommened to even be in the same room together or work together or even marry. It is not an uncommon question in Japan for one to ask blood type in job interviews just for this reason. Few Japanese would not know their own blood type. Most would have knowledge of what blood types they would get on well with and what types would conflict and cause friction with their blood types also. According to these belief's which are just two of many more examples found in the world, God did this on purpose as part of the natural ways we are stimulated automatically just by experiencing here. This of course to move forward by growing because of it just as the rain stimulates the plant leaves to make them grow even though when heavy it can actually damage the plants making them have to recover from the pain, the shock and the beating from the downpour.

My full name is more than Troy Taylor, but TT is on my birth certificate. My initials are STR and my knife work is always signed with my Runic punch using the initials STR. Most of my close friends call me Ester because that is how it rolls off the tongue so it became my pen name. For the first time I'll reveal it now but only because of the company I'm in. Thanks http://lueanswers.blogspot.com/2011/09/the-magnificent-framework.html

S

[mahalall]

On a lighter note
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[Rich]

justoneman, not sure what you are saying.
Are you angry when you hear that this suffering on earth is the will of god?

[Team Zen]

The World is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round, and it has thrills and chills and is very brightly colored, and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.

Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they've begun to question, 'Is this real, or is this just a ride?', and other people have remembered, and they've come back to us and they say 'Hey, don't worry. Don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride.' and we KILL THOSE PEOPLE.

"Shut him up! We have alot invested in this ride! SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account, and my family. This just has to be real."

It's just a ride.

But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that. You ever noticed that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because ... It's just a ride.

And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear wants you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead see all of us as one.

Here's what we can do to change the world right now, to a better ride:

Take all that money we spent on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing, and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and WE CAN EXPLORE SPACE, TOGETHER, BOTH INNER AND OUTER, forever ... in peace.

It's just a ride...It's just a ride.

-- Bill Hicks (1961 - 1994)

Oh, How I love you, Bill Hicks...

[Chester]

Can't be stated better -

0J8_P33VIhI

[enfoldedblue]

Hi Chester,

I just stumbled on this thread. I personally agree with you about the idea that some external parent type god, who loves his children and then puts them in a situation of incredible suffering (oh and demands to be worshipped), is absurd and really...downright creepy. However, in my personal experience I have found that below the surface all really is love. I am not putting this as some irrefutable truth (just sharing my personal experience). I explained what I saw in this thread : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59097-Caught-in-Our-Own-Feedback-Loops

I also stated :

There is a lot of controversy here on the site at the moment about people sharing their truth with the belief that it is “The” truth and is something everyone needs in order to advance spiritually. I just want to make it clear that what I have shared here is my own personal realizations, but that I also understand that my realizations are just my human brain’s attempt to understand something that I actually think is practically impossible to truly grasp with the human mind. I share my interpretation not to sway anyone towards my way thinking or viewing the universe, but rather just as one of many perspectives that may or may not be useful to another’s personal, unique journey.

And it is in this spirit that I share today and really everyday.

What I have found on my journey is that for me love really is the answer. But for me love does not equate with light...love is light and dark. While my journey has definitely led me to love and a lot of lightness...my path certainly wasn’t all skipping through flowers. In my first major dark night of the soul I found myself completely cut off from everything I knew...I found myself so deep within my psyche that nothing was real...what I found in this state (that ultimately saw me taken to the mental ward and strapped down and drugged) was that the only thing I knew was real...was me and love. I am convinced that this realization allowed me to pass through the void, relatively unharmed (I was released within days and able to quickly move onto healing).

Then 15 years later I found myself in another very frightening dark night of the soul. This was at the stage when I first became aware of the reality and influence of the dark forces in my reality. This realization proved so frightening I was not sure that I wanted to continue existing. It was as though my world was transformed into a dark underworld and I no longer knew who or what I could trust. From this perspective friends and loved ones who had influenced me, seemed likely to have been operating under the power of very dark beings. There was nothing and no one safe...I was at the mercy of the dark forces. Then it occurred to me that even if this was true it didn’t matter because I knew who I was and, even if all this influence was true, I had not become evil. I believed in love. Love became like a golden thread that guided me out of this hellish state...amongst all the smoke and mirrors and darkness..it was the only thing that I knew was REAL. By focusing on this strand I was able to emerge and begin healing.

This is what I wrote shortly after:


An analogy that that helped me find my own balance is the following: I saw myself as a cell in a body. One day I became aware that there was a huge horrific tumour in the body that was sucking up the body's resources and making the body VERY sick. I began to focus on the tumor...it was horrific and yet fascinating. I became so engaged with wanting to fight this tumour that it began to take up a lot of room in my personal reality and eventually I found myself brought down by the sheer scale of the evil of this growth (and ultimately I was feeding it with my energy...it doesn’t care if we are for it or against it...as long as our energy is directed to it in some way). When I pulled back I realized that as a cell in a body the best thing I could do for myself and the whole was to focus on making my little world healthy and love filled.
We can only work within our personal spheres of influence...that is where our power lies...when we become too focused on that which is beyond our sphere of influence we become overwhelmed with despair and feel like there is nothing we can do...which is exactly what they want. This DOES NOT mean pretending the tumour does not exist, or focusing on selfish pursuits. For me it means living my life in integrity and love...it means everything from being conscious of how I spend money (buying local, supporting businesses with ethical principals etc), to getting out and actively engaging and working to develop community spirit: it means treating those around me with love, and nurturing all that I want to see flourish.

The more I have shifted my focus from fear to love the richer and the more expansive love has become in my reality. I may not be rich in money...but I am so rich now in love...and this is not due to luck, I believe it is due to being open to love, and to being willing to look at myself honestly and do the hard work.

[Youniverse]

What is enlightened? To all of us the definition would be as individual as each of us. What is good for you should not necessarily have to be good for me or anyone else. With that said tho after digesting some of this let me add my thoughts as new member here from the browsing I've done so far.

This forum is out of balance. I see now why I was guided here. You all are not as harmonized as you think you are. What I see is a forum leaning so far toward love and light end that you basically shove away anything else brought up, even ban it. Now I can not cite examples as I would not suggest it is a conscious thing but seriously Bill, too much of one and not the other is still out of balance and unhealthy. You, me all of us here are all guilty of containing light and dark, yin and yang, positive and negative and you cannot take the negative pole off a magnet just because you don't want it anymore so in some ways I agree here based on precursor exam of the forum as a whole for what I can see of it. Granted I have not seen enough to really say with confirmation as I'm sure some aspects of this forum contain controversy. So far I have not seen it tho. What I have seen is when controversy comes up it seems to be shut down rather than learned from.

I have been out of my body. Both from natural events mostly at night during 'dream' states and I know and have known I've had contact with something, some "other' of the others out there in the mind of the one as other aspects of the single organism that is us. I believe all we behold is us. Not separate but us. We are the all. We as in God does this to himself/herself/itself as a method of learning and growing. Having been out I was shown a great deal that I recently (2011) published under a pen name but leaving that out I'm going to share something that perhaps was why I was led here. Honestly I've been questioning why my guides brought me here. I have no questions, no problems or issues and walk in balance in life. What could I possibly learn. Stupid of me of course as I have learned a lot since joining but with that said let me for a change teach for this post.

We are more than our bodies. Much more. Experience here in the organic is an honor. You should be so damn lucky to play here, experience here and in doing so aid yourself, god, the one to learn and grow. The old symbols of the dragon, snake or lizard consuming it's own tail tell it all. It is god, the one feeding on self. Doing all this, both positive and negative to himself to grow, expand and just as the universe is seen to expand real time by our scopes in the sky so too is this God the one growing right before our eyes by this expansion of consciousness which by the way, is the substance of the universe. It is not matter that is the substance of the universe. That is a dead end science as so called learned among us are fast awakening to.

Listen I've never shared this as myself! Its a bid deal for me to reveal this link because I've kept it hidden unpublished in my blogger as drafts for years. Only recent did I put it out there and low and behold I've been turned on now to others independently putting out the same stuff. I make pocket clips. I invented the one I make for folding knives. While the clip already existed in the industry I took it and changed it making it my own to suit me by making it a 180 degree fold over to bury the knife in the pocket. When I started making them in the industry no one ever heard of a low rider clip or fold over clip. Now you see them all over the industry copied and used because customers want them, ask for them and I'm living proof of how one man in his back yard shop can affect an entire industry by himself with his own tools. I did that. I live it daily and when I was awakened to this it caught me off guard because I am considered by many to be a guru. A knife guru yeah but the title fits. I know folders, particularly locking folders and I know and am considered to be the best in the world for my clips. Ask anyone. You can't go to a show for knives anywhere in the world that people are not all around you with my clips on their folders. I am not bragging here its just simply the fact. It snuck up even on me and a customer had to point it out to me because I was too busy to see it.

Now I know and upon learning of how I affected the world I work in for my 'game face' I published this "Magnificent Framework" and while less than 200,000 have read it at this point even though I was trying to keep it to myself I've come to the conclusion that a lot of it is right on the money.

I have never pushed it. Would not do that and we all learn and grow so its unending this growth. I add this for you now that I've spit that out confessing my secret self here for the first time and I do so because I think it is relevant to your discussion. There is no sinister. Not really when you can see things from the perspective of spirit, of God and when you see it for what it is its actually quite beautiful. All through life no matter where you look, even my own back yard garden area which is a paradise to us here in Oklahoma, is a recovered healed over garden from lost blown away gardens in the past and from that destruction, regrowth came and just like Yosemite, just like Yellowstone, just like any construction site where man is building from that destruction comes growth, expansion, beauty and wonder!

Think long and hard about this. If life was easy no progress is made really. People sit on the fence. Little motivates them into action. A natural disaster, a disrupted society forces people to dig deep into their inner resources. It makes us discover what we are really capable of, just how far our endurance can be pushed and in the end this stimulus is what moves mankind and all life forward to progress by learning and growing. All that you see going on here, both positive and negative happenings are nothing less than necessary for allowing, aiding/helping god to grow. Even the forgetting we go through to come back is part of the new experience and the growth from that and also part of that is that the human brain just cannot see or process the world the way you can as your true self so it is hard to convey once coming back to the 3D world. Old sayings like the sweet taste of success, or I can smell your fear all stem from this knowledge I share with you about emotions and bio electric energy. The ancients taught this and much more like that God created individuals born at differing points in time along the Zodiac and with different personality traits opposing each other to create conflicts and animosity. The ancient Japanese and many modern Japanese today believe this firmly about blood types being very keen on what mixes of blood types are allowed or recommened to even be in the same room together or work together or even marry. It is not an uncommon question in Japan for one to ask blood type in job interviews just for this reason. Few Japanese would not know their own blood type. Most would have knowledge of what blood types they would get on well with and what types would conflict and cause friction with their blood types also. According to these belief's which are just two of many more examples found in the world, God did this on purpose as part of the natural ways we are stimulated automatically just by experiencing here. This of course to move forward by growing because of it just as the rain stimulates the plant leaves to make them grow even though when heavy it can actually damage the plants making them have to recover from the pain, the shock and the beating from the downpour.

My full name is more than Troy Taylor, but TT is on my birth certificate. My initials are STR and my knife work is always signed with my Runic punch using the initials STR. Most of my close friends call me Ester because that is how it rolls off the tongue so it became my pen name. For the first time I'll reveal it now but only because of the company I'm in. Thanks http://lueanswers.blogspot.com/2011/09/the-magnificent-framework.html

S

Tell me my friend, where does spiritual evolution take you? To more hate, violence, darkness? What's so wrong with 'love and light' as you put it? Should we be on here cursing each other out and calling each other names like they do on other forums?

[Timreh]

Can't be stated better -

0J8_P33VIhI

Interesting post Justone and I must say thanks because you have prompted me to revisit one of my favourite books "Power vs Force" by David Hawkins..
Highly recommended reading for anyone interested in exploring Human Behaviour and Consciousness :thumb:

[STR]

[QUOTE=STR;681204]

Tell me my friend, where does spiritual evolution take you? To more hate, violence, darkness? What's so wrong with 'love and light' as you put it? Should we be on here cursing each other out and calling each other names like they do on other forums?


You think being lopsided is healthy? Harmony, balance, peace, these are not achieved by being lopsided. Suppressing emotion, feelings, thoughts and not voicing it due to the atmosphere is not healthy. One should be able to voice not be suppressed or shut down as universe places negative and positive before us, we have to learn from it when it shows don't we? Yes. Can't learn much if you suppress and reject the lessons that stand out to us. It is a personal thing. We each share. You gather what you can use, what resonates with you you leave the rest but what stands out? What is it that makes you uneasy, and these are the areas we work on individually just as I do. When I look out here I see lopsided to a large degree. In some ways the other forums are healthier just because they offer healthy balance of both so some name calling is bound to happen in life. We don't run from it in the street why here or anywhere? You face it, learn and grow from it and move on. If one joins a place and feels to post this or to post that, and then thoughts go through your head with that little voice saying oh, that won't fly here. You can say that here but this place, no they'd reject it. That is akin to walking on egg shells. I'm afraid if egg shells are the floor material I'm going to be a crusher here.

[Chester]

Hi Chester,

I just stumbled on this thread. I personally agree with you about the idea that some external parent type god, who loves his children and then puts them in a situation of incredible suffering (oh and demands to be worshipped), is absurd and really...downright creepy. However, in my personal experience I have found that below the surface all really is love. I am not putting this as some irrefutable truth (just sharing my personal experience). I explained what I saw in this thread : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59097-Caught-in-Our-Own-Feedback-Loops

I also stated :

There is a lot of controversy here on the site at the moment about people sharing their truth with the belief that it is “The” truth and is something everyone needs in order to advance spiritually. I just want to make it clear that what I have shared here is my own personal realizations, but that I also understand that my realizations are just my human brain’s attempt to understand something that I actually think is practically impossible to truly grasp with the human mind. I share my interpretation not to sway anyone towards my way thinking or viewing the universe, but rather just as one of many perspectives that may or may not be useful to another’s personal, unique journey.

And it is in this spirit that I share today and really everyday.

What I have found on my journey is that for me love really is the answer. But for me love does not equate with light...love is light and dark. While my journey has definitely led me to love and a lot of lightness...my path certainly wasn’t all skipping through flowers. In my first major dark night of the soul I found myself completely cut off from everything I knew...I found myself so deep within my psyche that nothing was real...what I found in this state (that ultimately saw me taken to the mental ward and strapped down and drugged) was that the only thing I knew was real...was me and love. I am convinced that this realization allowed me to pass through the void, relatively unharmed (I was released within days and able to quickly move onto healing).

Then 15 years later I found myself in another very frightening dark night of the soul. This was at the stage when I first became aware of the reality and influence of the dark forces in my reality. This realization proved so frightening I was not sure that I wanted to continue existing. It was as though my world was transformed into a dark underworld and I no longer knew who or what I could trust. From this perspective friends and loved ones who had influenced me, seemed likely to have been operating under the power of very dark beings. There was nothing and no one safe...I was at the mercy of the dark forces. Then it occurred to me that even if this was true it didn’t matter because I knew who I was and, even if all this influence was true, I had not become evil. I believed in love. Love became like a golden thread that guided me out of this hellish state...amongst all the smoke and mirrors and darkness..it was the only thing that I knew was REAL. By focusing on this strand I was able to emerge and begin healing.

This is what I wrote shortly after:


An analogy that that helped me find my own balance is the following: I saw myself as a cell in a body. One day I became aware that there was a huge horrific tumour in the body that was sucking up the body's resources and making the body VERY sick. I began to focus on the tumor...it was horrific and yet fascinating. I became so engaged with wanting to fight this tumour that it began to take up a lot of room in my personal reality and eventually I found myself brought down by the sheer scale of the evil of this growth (and ultimately I was feeding it with my energy...it doesn’t care if we are for it or against it...as long as our energy is directed to it in some way). When I pulled back I realized that as a cell in a body the best thing I could do for myself and the whole was to focus on making my little world healthy and love filled.
We can only work within our personal spheres of influence...that is where our power lies...when we become too focused on that which is beyond our sphere of influence we become overwhelmed with despair and feel like there is nothing we can do...which is exactly what they want. This DOES NOT mean pretending the tumour does not exist, or focusing on selfish pursuits. For me it means living my life in integrity and love...it means everything from being conscious of how I spend money (buying local, supporting businesses with ethical principals etc), to getting out and actively engaging and working to develop community spirit: it means treating those around me with love, and nurturing all that I want to see flourish.

The more I have shifted my focus from fear to love the richer and the more expansive love has become in my reality. I may not be rich in money...but I am so rich now in love...and this is not due to luck, I believe it is due to being open to love, and to being willing to look at myself honestly and do the hard work.

I understand this - completely... and it is good for an individual. The question then becomes, what of our family? ...our loved ones? ...others that cross our paths and are clearly under the control of these same dark forces you and I have freed ourselves from? The "happy dreamers" seem to turn their backs on others once they feel safe and free, selfishly protecting their new found "safe place." That doesn't work for me because I have a step daughter and three sons, my marriage partner, others quite close.

With the exception of Cristina, my bride, and her daughter, all the others in my life are consumed by drugs and alcohol and of course, self deception. They are under the charge of the dark forces. Being in this new place (Love and Light and everything is beautiful - which is the truth for those like us who are now free but does nothing for our loved ones, our community and the planet we live on, Earth.



Tell me my friend, where does spiritual evolution take you? To more hate, violence, darkness? What's so wrong with 'love and light' as you put it? Should we be on here cursing each other out and calling each other names like they do on other forums?

This is the point I am hoping to make. Sure... go to the dimensions above the lower astral and then kid yourself you are doing "rescue work" (as I have been told some here think they do). Meanwhile the screws get tightened, tighter and tighter.

And we pretend we love our children.

dickriculous.

[Chester]

Interesting post Justone and I must say thanks because you have prompted me to revisit one of my favourite books "Power vs Force" by David Hawkins..
Highly recommended reading for anyone interested in exploring Human Behaviour and Consciousness :thumb:

Thanks goes to Chris (aka greybeard) as he turned me on to Dr. Hawkins.

[greybeard]

Interesting post Justone and I must say thanks because you have prompted me to revisit one of my favourite books "Power vs Force" by David Hawkins..
Highly recommended reading for anyone interested in exploring Human Behaviour and Consciousness :thumb:

Thanks goes to greybeard as he turned me on to Dr. Hawkins.

Hi Chester
Strangely when I see the avatar name I smile.
Im happier with Chris--- however I accept that avatar name use is the norm.


All the best Chris

Ps Dr Hawkins answered for me quite a few unanswered questions I had.
Some very in-depth books written by him

[Rich]

Being in this new place (Love and Light and everything is beautiful - which is the truth for those like us who are now free but does nothing for our loved ones, our community and the planet we live on, Earth.

justoneoneman are you worried that those who are 'aware' will not try to help those who are still in the dark?

In my thinking those who have seen Love are (usually?) more aware of the suffering and try to help where they can.
Lester Levenson asked his students: ''You wanna know what hell is like? You're in it!''
He knew - the students may not have.

Very interesting post 'enfoldedblue' and some of my own experiences.
Sometimes nothing I tried seemed to help except Love.



Im happier with Chris---

Why did you call yourself greybeard then?

[greybeard]

Being in this new place (Love and Light and everything is beautiful - which is the truth for those like us who are now free but does nothing for our loved ones, our community and the planet we live on, Earth.

justoneoneman are you worried that those who are 'aware' will not try to help those who are still in the dark?

In my thinking those who have seen Love are (usually?) more aware of the suffering and try to help where they can.
Lester Levenson asked his students: ''You wanna know what hell is like? You're in it!''
He knew - the students may not have.

Very interesting post 'enfoldedblue' and some of my own experiences.
Sometimes nothing I tried seemed to help except Love.



Im happier with Chris---

Why did you call yourself greybeard then?

I joined Original Avalon about four years ago--everyone had a non de-plume- no one submitted their real name---that was the way the entry form was set up online--I just filled in the form
Any way its down to the choice of those that address me as Chris or Greybeard.
Either is really just fine.

Chris

[enfoldedblue]

I understand this - completely... and it is good for an individual. The question then becomes, what of our family? ...our loved ones? ...others that cross our paths and are clearly under the control of these same dark forces you and I have freed ourselves from? The "happy dreamers" seem to turn their backs on others once they feel safe and free, selfishly protecting their new found "safe place." That doesn't work for me because I have a step daughter and three sons, my marriage partner, others quite close.

With the exception of Cristina, my bride, and her daughter, all the others in my life are consumed by drugs and alcohol and of course, self deception. They are under the charge of the dark forces. Being in this new place (Love and Light and everything is beautiful - which is the truth for those like us who are now free but does nothing for our loved ones, our community and the planet we live on, Earth.


Hi Chester,

I have a lot of past life memories. There was one around the turn of the last century where I was hopeless heroin addict blues musician who lived in Harlem. It was a very hard life in many ways, but man I also had a lot of fun and had really great people around me (mostly addicts) who I truly loved. This is just one of many many challenging lives that I lived that included a lot of suffering. But these lives were based on my choices. In this life I believe I was able to avoid falling into the heavy drugs trap (that had permeated my world in the early 90’s) because at a soul level I knew the reality beyond the initial seduction.
I think we risk giving the dark forces much more power than they actually have. I believe at the end of the day they are part of Us (the whole) and are playing their roles. Our friends family members, and anyone else in the world ARE NOT VICTIMS...just like at the end of the day we weren’t either. We were learning and growing and the dark forces were the (**** fertilizer) that helped spur our growth. Part of the balance I described in the cell analogy is realizing that we can’t fix everybody and everything and that is ok (actually probably really a good thing).

If I had just been thrown into a happy easy life without experiencing any hardship I don’t think it would feel as deeply good and satisfying as it does now. Now I cherish the simple love filled life that I have with my family. I am there to support my friends who are still choosing to play in the dark energies...but I can’t force them to find the love thread and follow it. Just like no one could have forced me...I did it in my time when I was ready (if they had, they would have likely been met with a big F$$& Off). Also if I did try to make them see the world from my perspective I would probably only succeed in bringing myself down...and as a cell in the body this would ultimately not be good for the whole.

But I also notice that by living my life in love and integrity, I am in a way spreading love and acting as an example to others...if they are interested in looking. I don't feel at all that I am selfishly protecting my happy life.I have a lot to offer those around me...but I am not going to shove it down their throats...I will simply do my thing and offer what I can when I it is appropriate. Yes this can be very difficult when it is those that we love because... we just want them to be healthy and happy, but I think it is important to understand that they have their journeys and it is not up to us to try and control their paths...even if we think we know better. For me it really is all about balance...yes I have healthy boundaries in order to be a strong member of society who is able to work towards change that will ultimately benefit all.

Love to you

[Fred Steeves]

I think we risk giving the dark forces much more power than they actually have. I believe at the end of the day they are part of Us (the whole) and are playing their roles. Our friends family members, and anyone else in the world ARE NOT VICTIMS...just like at the end of the day we weren’t either. We were learning and growing and the dark forces were the (**** fertilizer) that helped spur our growth. Part of the balance I described in the cell analogy is realizing that we can’t fix everybody and everything and that is ok (actually probably really a good thing).


I couldn't find his exact quote enfoldedblue, but DarMar likened the balance you speak of with that of a tree in a thread a ways back. I thought it was a really cool analogy. Basically, it was that a tree gets it's nourishment from both roots that dive deep and dark into the ground, and leaves that reach high towards the light of the sun. Each will die without the other, taking the whole tree with it.

Made me start looking at trees in a different "light". :)

[enfoldedblue]

Hi Chester, I hope you are ok. I never really interacted with you before , but since you appeared on the forum I always felt that I know you in some strange (not romantic lol) way. I hope you don't feel I derailed your thread...I wanted to share my experience.

love christy



Dear Christy - I loved your post - I love it when folks speak from the heart and it was clear you did. The thing I have a tough time with, with forums... with written communication, is that it is so hard for the actual feelings behind the words to come across.

So I hope this PM reply assures you I appreciated your post and in fact, I have come across many of your posts that left me feeling that you are just a darn sweet person and that I felt that great, comfortable feeling about you.

Having said this - I can be a real goofball - so never hesitate to speak your mind and never worry about me that way.

Note - when I would read a post of yours and then look at your picture... I would feel that feeling even stronger - who knows... maybe we knew each other in another life and time.

Kind Regards and Your Friend,
Chester


Hi Chester,

The way you abandoned the thread after my second post made me think you didn't like the direction it had taken. I feared that you had been caught in the sway of the negative focused threads on this forum. I personally find that there are several threads that focus on the dark energies in a way that ultimately feeds their agenda.
Here's the way I see it: (taken from my website)
But in the last few years we have begun to witness everything reaching a head. The planet has been thoroughly explored and exploited, so much so our survival is at risk; in what we call the economy the divide between the rich and poor has become so extreme a tiny part of humanity is dominating the huge majority; and we have explored science so deeply we are on the verge of uncovering the ‘God’ particle. Right now if we went much further down the dense path we would likely end up as miserable numbered slaves, surviving on pills and sugar water.

But if we remember that below the surface all is love, and this dynamic of a small group dominating the masses etc, is just part of the natural unfolding of dense energies, then we can stop feeling fearful, powerless, angry, and relax and trust that what we are witnessing is simply the play out of the energies of separation. By choosing this viewpoint, we can focus our energy on grounding and spreading love in our world, and we stop feeding the fear paradigm.

And can begin to feed and nurture that which we want to see thrive.

when we focus on the tightening of the screws it can be quite frightening (this is exactly what they want...yes keep looking....get angry...become bitter when you see the way we have abused you....yes keep trying to think of a way out....just don't turn away....)...and those that are saying 'oooh focus on love...all is well" look like idiots...or even gatekeepers as you called them! (don't worry though I do think that light without awareness of the dark is not productive and possibly dangerous). But really I think this is the key...don't play their game...I choose to pull my energy/focus out of their plying field and instead focus on spreading love (oooh they hate that ).

Anyway love to you,


Christy

Hi Christy - I would love if you would post our PM exchange in that thread - if you did, you would be very surprised at my response. You may use my name, but I understand completely if you use your avatar. I hope you post this!!
Kind Regards, Chester

Let's see....:P

[DeDukshyn]

Tell me my friend, where does spiritual evolution take you? To more hate, violence, darkness? What's so wrong with 'love and light' as you put it? Should we be on here cursing each other out and calling each other names like they do on other forums?




You think being lopsided is healthy? Harmony, balance, peace, these are not achieved by being lopsided. Suppressing emotion, feelings, thoughts and not voicing it due to the atmosphere is not healthy. One should be able to voice not be suppressed or shut down as universe places negative and positive before us, we have to learn from it when it shows don't we? Yes. Can't learn much if you suppress and reject the lessons that stand out to us. It is a personal thing. We each share. You gather what you can use, what resonates with you you leave the rest but what stands out? What is it that makes you uneasy, and these are the areas we work on individually just as I do. When I look out here I see lopsided to a large degree. In some ways the other forums are healthier just because they offer healthy balance of both so some name calling is bound to happen in life. We don't run from it in the street why here or anywhere? You face it, learn and grow from it and move on. If one joins a place and feels to post this or to post that, and then thoughts go through your head with that little voice saying oh, that won't fly here. You can say that here but this place, no they'd reject it. That is akin to walking on egg shells. I'm afraid if egg shells are the floor material I'm going to be a crusher here.

We are currently VERY lopsided in the wrong direction. Who on earth would argue that there is too much peace in the world and that we need more hate wars and controllers? Now, who would say the opposite?

Without attaining our current bearings, any direction is as good as any other. When the current bearings are attained the required direction becomes more obvious.

[Sidney]

Hi Chester, I have asked this question to myself, many times, pondered, and pondered some more. There are many different, answers, depending on ones definition of God, or A God. After hours of deliberation, I have come to the very simple conclusion that.......... ... ............................God Made a Mistake

It is up to us, as individuals, to HELP God, correct the mistake. Since we all are Gods ourselves, we are blood related to God. And, if one of our family members made a mistake, and had a hard time correcting it, wouldn't we want to reach out and help?
I Believe, even God, is not perfect. Because we all are flawed. And If we are Gods, and are flawed, then God must be flawed, and has made a mistake. And that is ok. God is God. We are God. We are all connected. We are part of the mistake, there-fore its our job to help God find the answers.
Time is what makes it difficult. If we live many many hundreds or thousands of lifetimes, then our little skit we play here on earth is only a tiny little dot, on the map of time. If we spend this time suffering, it may be a small price to pay if we have better more prosperous lives, on other planes.
Apparently, we volunteered to come here, because earth was in trouble. We volunteered, because we genuinely wanted to help. I believe we did this without understanding, about the suffering part. The ppl in the first wave,(late 40s and 50's ages) are the way-showers (I am quoting Delores Cannon). That is why its so difficult. We don't want to be here. Because it is painful. Life on this planet is not normal for us. But we did it willingly, because we wanted to help correct the mistake.
I truly believe that God (whatever he/she/itit may be), did not choose to create suffering. No God would deliberately do that. So, maybe we should forgive God for the mistake, and move on to try to fix it.

Next Question???????????? What was the mistake ??:p

If you have not listened (or watched) Delores Cannons convoluted universe, it connects many dots.(has nothing do do with God and the mistake : )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH0L_bffAA

[DeDukshyn]

I think a distinction may be useful. There's love, peace, happiness and joy. There's hate, anger, judgements, grudges. These are "feelings" for lack of a better word, perhaps "states of mind" is better, in fact it is a lot better ;)

When any individual has these states of mind, if they have no action, is the only one having that state of mind. No one else is affected. So what one sows as a state of their mind will be automatically what they reap as a state of mind. No one else can feel your states of mind for you, nor can one pass them on to others.

Now, in action things become a little different. Your actions will tend to quite accurately reflect your state of mind, but now your actions have the potential of affecting others, and possibly have some influence over their state of mind, cause a bit of a ripple effect.

A lot of people talk a lot of "light and love" and fail to put it into action. A lot of people talk light and love but really have a miserable state of mind. Some people try earnestly.

A lot of people put love, kindness and care for others into action, and create a ripple effect of a more healthy state of mind.
A lot of people complain about all these groups of people above.

The only thing that matters is what is your state of mind? What are you reaping? What are you turning into action? And after answering that ask oneself, why do I care what others think? Why do I care if they have or are trying or faking a peaceful state of mind? Where is my gain? where is the worlds gain. Then understand the weird and in my opinion sick fascination in "caring" so much what other people think or do. You are responsible for your own happiness and whatever state of mind you want to keep and no one else.

And for those who tend to try to push their state of mind on others, there is a difference between pushing and sharing. For those that want to push their feelings about this on others, well, just consider your state of mind, and which elements of that are actually worth putting into action.

My 2 cents ;)

EDIT: Some people will claim that humans have no control over their sate of mind ... those are the ones who have not fully woken from the hypnotic spell that causes humans to act out as victims. Part of "awakening" is breaking from this spell and recovering your mind at least to some extent. It can definitely be done, and is actually a goal.

[Chester]

Hi Chester, I have asked this question to myself, many times, pondered, and pondered some more. There are many different, answers, depending on ones definition of God, or A God. After hours of deliberation, I have come to the very simple conclusion that.......... ... ............................God Made a Mistake

It is up to us, as individuals, to HELP God, correct the mistake. Since we all are Gods ourselves, we are blood related to God. And, if one of our family members made a mistake, and had a hard time correcting it, wouldn't we want to reach out and help?


I really appreciate this post because I feel quite the same... at least I feel somewhere along the way, things got twisted... something went wrong.

[Chester]

Hi Chester, I hope you are ok. I never really interacted with you before , but since you appeared on the forum I always felt that I know you in some strange (not romantic lol) way. I hope you don't feel I derailed your thread...I wanted to share my experience.

love christy



Dear Christy - I loved your post - I love it when folks speak from the heart and it was clear you did. The thing I have a tough time with, with forums... with written communication, is that it is so hard for the actual feelings behind the words to come across.

So I hope this PM reply assures you I appreciated your post and in fact, I have come across many of your posts that left me feeling that you are just a darn sweet person and that I felt that great, comfortable feeling about you.

Having said this - I can be a real goofball - so never hesitate to speak your mind and never worry about me that way.

Note - when I would read a post of yours and then look at your picture... I would feel that feeling even stronger - who knows... maybe we knew each other in another life and time.

Kind Regards and Your Friend,
Chester


Hi Chester,

The way you abandoned the thread after my second post made me think you didn't like the direction it had taken. I feared that you had been caught in the sway of the negative focused threads on this forum. I personally find that there are several threads that focus on the dark energies in a way that ultimately feeds their agenda.
Here's the way I see it: (taken from my website)
But in the last few years we have begun to witness everything reaching a head. The planet has been thoroughly explored and exploited, so much so our survival is at risk; in what we call the economy the divide between the rich and poor has become so extreme a tiny part of humanity is dominating the huge majority; and we have explored science so deeply we are on the verge of uncovering the ‘God’ particle. Right now if we went much further down the dense path we would likely end up as miserable numbered slaves, surviving on pills and sugar water.

But if we remember that below the surface all is love, and this dynamic of a small group dominating the masses etc, is just part of the natural unfolding of dense energies, then we can stop feeling fearful, powerless, angry, and relax and trust that what we are witnessing is simply the play out of the energies of separation. By choosing this viewpoint, we can focus our energy on grounding and spreading love in our world, and we stop feeding the fear paradigm.

And can begin to feed and nurture that which we want to see thrive.

when we focus on the tightening of the screws it can be quite frightening (this is exactly what they want...yes keep looking....get angry...become bitter when you see the way we have abused you....yes keep trying to think of a way out....just don't turn away....)...and those that are saying 'oooh focus on love...all is well" look like idiots...or even gatekeepers as you called them! (don't worry though I do think that light without awareness of the dark is not productive and possibly dangerous). But really I think this is the key...don't play their game...I choose to pull my energy/focus out of their plying field and instead focus on spreading love (oooh they hate that ).

Anyway love to you,


Christy

Hi Christy - I would love if you would post our PM exchange in that thread - if you did, you would be very surprised at my response. You may use my name, but I understand completely if you use your avatar. I hope you post this!!
Kind Regards, Chester

Let's see....:P

Hi Christy! You did it!

OK, here's the rest...


I will respond to you in this PM...


The way you abandoned the thread after my second post made me think you didn't like the direction it had taken.

On Monday, June 3, my son, Reid, who has been sitting in the county jail for over 10 months, was released!! So I have been slammed busy helping him get his life back on track as he has a 10 year probation which is a serious matter - he can't screw up. So I have not been able to get on the Avalon Forum but to read a little. I do respond to PMs first as anyone who spends the time to write me directly deserves an honest, quick response IMO.


I feared that you had been caught in the sway of the negative focused threads on this forum. I personally find that there are several threads that focus on the dark energies in a way that ultimately feeds their agenda.

I am a "contactee" which is a word that implies a difference from an "abductee." To me, the difference is that I am not feeling like a "victim" (though I did go through times in the past that I felt that way) and I sense that deep within me is a "shared responsibility" as to why, in this lifetime, I have had the experiences I have had.

Most folks that have experienced actual direct attention from archonic forces as I have would not view their experiences this way. This experience led me to years of drug/alcohol addiction, other quite horrific behaviors, to be terribly dishonorable to my word given to others, and on and on.

Only because of this forum and the information I found here - specifically that very thread "Horus-Ra..." I was able to a.) understand finally what I had been experiencing since my earliest memories as a child b.) that I was not alone, others had also had these types of experiences c.) that there are solutuions for the individuals but d.) that archonic attention runs in families and the circles of friends one has.

d.) is the trickiest part because one like me who has managed to rise above the experiences all too often has to see these same archonic forces have their way with their loved ones. And this has occurred on a much larger scale than your general human being. Yes, all families have their problems, stories, closets where the truths are placed then closed and locked so the public may never know... but few folks have endured the magnitude of personal tragedies I have and many of which I also created.

Because I have been able to regain charge of my own soul, I feel compelled to assist others in freeing their own soul only if they so wish. This is now my main, personal focus... strengthening further my actual being and being available as best I can for others who seek the same redemption. I do my best to avoid playing "savior" so I make strict agreements relative to the limits of my help, as I have just done with my 19 year old son. I also do my best not to attach to others such that their success or failure effects me. Why? Not so much because of me, but because these attachments hinder others. These attachments make it harder for others to make the actual changes they need to regain sovereignty of their soul.

The point of my thread was aimed at some of the forum members who disregard these experiences folks like I have had - especially many women who are raped against their will by inter dimensional minions of the dark forces, offspring of the archons and this happens, I know it from personal experience and I trust the vast amount of testimony shared by many, many folks who have endured these types of experiences.

There are members of the Avalon Forum who take the position that these experiences are fictions of one's mind... implying they are a manifestation of mental illness while at the same time claim their own astral and other dimensional experiences (all love and light once past the "lower astral") are real, true, the only real truth and of God and this God is a God of nothing but love, etc. and oh, by the way publicly 9or at least privately) claim to be advanced ("evolved") souls that essentially incarnated here to help us poor current day humans.

My contention is that these folks have simply fallen for and thus become human centurions for the archonic forces and high ranking minions of the archons - essentially "prison guards" and thus though they appear to be human yet clearly have turned their soul and will over to the darkest of the dark.

Anyone who claims this reality of "everything is beautiful and love and light" does the greatest disservice to those who are suffering in the flesh on Earth today and who are deprived of the information (the truth) about what is actually going on.

To me, that is unacceptable - especially when that person always says things like "with Love" or "Love to you (as I had once adopted while still under the spell)" and crap like that all the time.

If I have your permission to post a few of your quotes from your PM, I will be happy to post the above written response to you.

Very Kind Regards
Chester

and then your response to me -


Wow very powerful response. Thank you for sharing. I can completely understand your anger and frustration at having your experiences invalidated. I have not followed that thread so had no idea. I know that experiences that occur on levels beyond physical reality, are just as real (though usually they can feel even more real) as what occurs in physical reality. It makes me sad to hear that love was used in a way to trivialise some of the traumatic experiences you and others have endured. When I read your thread I took it as a more general attack on love which is why I responded. For me love really has been the way out. I see love as reaching out, listening, caring, honouring, nurturing, assisting, respecting, sharing, touching, .... To me these are the precious aspects of humanity that make life worth living. The type of person who you described (I have no idea who they are and this is based solely on the information you have provided) give love a bad name... And now with this further explanation I understand the prison guard comment.


In the OP I heard your anger but, not knowing the full context of the specifics you were hinting at I feared that you were allowing yourself to pulled into the negativity that can arise when one focuses on the power structure we exist in. I think awareness is crucial to healing, but I know for myself there is a fine line between healthy focus and unhealthy focus.

I am really happy that you have found your sovereignty, and have come to what sounds like a healthy space within yourself.

And great news about your son.

Please don't let this person's use of the word love turn you away from its true depth, beauty and ability to transform.

I just put the whole PM out there on the thread already when you asked...I hope this is what you intended.

Love to you (really )

and my last response back to Christy -


Great - so until you state otherwise, we can continue this discussion publicly.

My intention is to speak for myself yet also having those in mind who cannot. That is all. I am able to do this more easily now whereas many still caught within the darkest corners of the very real matrix are less able.

In the end, those who live in the happy dream may prove to have known the greater truth all along (which is my hope). The error (in my opinion) is when they take on the mantle of authority and through that, invalidate the experiences of others. To me, there can be nothing worse, especially when they then state, "Love to you."

100% contradictory to their actions (delivered through their words) an there's no excuse for that - zero.

Take Care and thanks for this exchange, Chester

To All who have explored this thread... thanks to Christy's permission that we share our private exchange, I think all might become more clear as to the points I was hoping to make.

I hope this discussion will continue and that the "happy dreamers" (who I completely respect) are able to also respect that some of us here have very real, extremely difficult experiences, all within this same grand illusion (or if you like, re-ality).

But never (and this is just my opinion) can one pretend they are compassionate while simultaneously invalidating the experience of others while at the same time proclaiming their non physical realm experiences are real. Contradictory. Ludicrous.

[DeDukshyn]

But never (and this is just my opinion) can one pretend their are compassionate while simultaneously invalidating the experience of others while at the same time proclaiming their non physical realm experiences are real. Ludicrous.

This statement appears to be invalidating the experience of others. ;)
Give it some thought. Its the same in both directions. ;)

You are only responsible for your own state of mind. If you choose to accept others projections into your own personal state of mind and react to it, the error to be corrected lies not with the perceived others.

My 2 cents again, take it or leave it. But please don't "invalidate" it ;) lol, I'm joking of course Chester.

[Chester]

But never (and this is just my opinion) can one pretend their are compassionate while simultaneously invalidating the experience of others while at the same time proclaiming their non physical realm experiences are real. Ludicrous.

This statement appears to be invalidating the experience of others. ;)
Give it some thought. Its the same in both directions. ;)

You are only responsible for your own state of mind. If you choose to accept others projections into your own personal state of mind and react to it, the error to be corrected lies not with the perceived others.

My 2 cents again, take it or leave it. But please don't "invalidate" it ;) lol, I'm joking of course Chester.

It appears still the point is not understood. Let me take myself as an example. I do not invalidate the experience others have in the "above lower astral" and "higher dimensional realms. I object to those same folks proclaiming they

a.) are compassionate,

b.) state that their own experiences are real (and are of the only true, non-physical reality)

c.) and then state that those who have had abduction experiences are delusional.

One is anything but compassionate when they tell the victim of an abduction experience that their abduction experience is a delusion of their mind.

One perhaps is delusional if they expect someone who has been the target of one or more alien abduction experiences to buy into their views that this victim's experiences are fictions of their own mind.

I hope that has clarified this better. There's not much more I can do to make this any more clear at this point.

There is zero about my statement that invalidates the experiences claimed by these others. I point out the quite evident hypocrisy of their opinions about it relative to their opinions of the experiences of those who have been abducted.

[DeDukshyn]

But never (and this is just my opinion) can one pretend their are compassionate while simultaneously invalidating the experience of others while at the same time proclaiming their non physical realm experiences are real. Ludicrous.

This statement appears to be invalidating the experience of others. ;)
Give it some thought. Its the same in both directions. ;)

You are only responsible for your own state of mind. If you choose to accept others projections into your own personal state of mind and react to it, the error to be corrected lies not with the perceived others.

My 2 cents again, take it or leave it. But please don't "invalidate" it ;) lol, I'm joking of course Chester.

It appears still the point is not understood. let me take myself as an example. I do not invalidate the experience others have in the "above lower astral" and "higher dimensional realms. I object to those same folks proclaiming they

a.) are compassionate,

b.) state that their own experiences are real (and are of the only true, non-physical reality)

c.) and then state that those who have had abduction experiences are delusional.

One is anything but compassionate when they tell the victim of an abduction experience that their abduction experience is a delusion of their mind.

One perhaps is delusional if they expect someone who has been the target of one or more alien abduction experiences to buy into their views that this victim's experiences are fictions of their own mind.

I hope that has clarified this better. There's not much more I can do to make this any more clear at this point.

There is zero about my statement that invalidates the experiences claimed by these others. I point out the quite evident hypocrisy of their opinions about it relative to their opinions of the experiences of those who have been abducted.

Ok so we get to the heart of o' the matter. I was avoiding the "heart" on purpose. For in my words lies not comfort or agreement. That is what your ego is seeking, and I avoid catering at all costs. But I sought to throw some things in your direction that may be encompassing.

Your issue is real. But it lies not with "them".

Objections to:
A) "are compassionate." -- maybe they are, maybe they aren't maybe they are just with you, maybe just not with you. What's it to you?
B) "state their own experiences are real" -- Maybe they are maybe they aren't. Should we send the "reality police" after them?
C) "state that those with abduction experiences are delusional" -- This might be what they truly believe -- shall you "invalidate" this? ;)

At the end of the day, you are responsible for which of these you allow into your state of mind in such a way that will affect it. No one else has this responsibility.
Are you frustrated? Probably ... this is what I hear in this thread and this is a valid expression. Are you "right"? "Right vs Wrong" tends to be just a game peoples use to manipulate others' minds -- if we accept it.

Hehe, sorry if I seem a bit harsh to your issue, I preach a lot of love and peace at times, but I'm definitely not all "light and love". I have no interest in patronizing anyone. ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Chester,

Is there not more to your story? I am going to figure that you're not just frustrated with "some people who didn't believe my story", and that there is a bit more. Am I wrong?

[Chester]

But never (and this is just my opinion) can one pretend their are compassionate while simultaneously invalidating the experience of others while at the same time proclaiming their non physical realm experiences are real. Ludicrous.

This statement appears to be invalidating the experience of others. ;)
Give it some thought. Its the same in both directions. ;)

You are only responsible for your own state of mind. If you choose to accept others projections into your own personal state of mind and react to it, the error to be corrected lies not with the perceived others.

My 2 cents again, take it or leave it. But please don't "invalidate" it ;) lol, I'm joking of course Chester.

It appears still the point is not understood. let me take myself as an example. I do not invalidate the experience others have in the "above lower astral" and "higher dimensional realms. I object to those same folks proclaiming they

a.) are compassionate,

b.) state that their own experiences are real (and are of the only true, non-physical reality)

c.) and then state that those who have had abduction experiences are delusional.

One is anything but compassionate when they tell the victim of an abduction experience that their abduction experience is a delusion of their mind.

One perhaps is delusional if they expect someone who has been the target of one or more alien abduction experiences to buy into their views that this victim's experiences are fictions of their own mind.

I hope that has clarified this better. There's not much more I can do to make this any more clear at this point.

There is zero about my statement that invalidates the experiences claimed by these others. I point out the quite evident hypocrisy of their opinions about it relative to their opinions of the experiences of those who have been abducted.

Ok so we get to the heart of o' the matter. I was avoiding the "heart" on purpose. For in my words lies not comfort or agreement. That is what your ego is seeking, and I avoid catering at all costs. But I sought to throw some things in your direction that may be encompassing.

Your issue is real. But it lies not with "them".

Objections to:
A) "are compassionate." -- maybe they are, maybe they aren't maybe they are just with you, maybe just not with you. What's it to you?
B) "state their own experiences are real" -- Maybe they are maybe they aren't. Should we send the "reality police" after them?
C) "state that those with abduction experiences are delusional" -- This might be what they truly believe -- shall you "invalidate" this? ;)

At the end of the day, you are responsible for which of these you allow into your state of mind in such a way that will affect it. No one else has this responsibility.
Are you frustrated? Probably ... this is what I hear in this thread and this is a valid expression. Are you "right"? "Right vs Wrong" tends to be just a game peoples use to manipulate others' minds -- if we accept it.

Hehe, sorry if I seem a bit harsh to your issue, I preach a lot of love and peace at times, but I'm definitely not all "light and love". I have no interest in patronizing anyone. ;)

Do you have a family by chance? If so, and one of your children has an issue - do you let them flop in the wind? It isn't your issue, correct? What if one of your children happens to be exhibiting what is clearly harmful behavior? Behavior that may be harmful to others... do you just let that go? It is not your issue, right?

So you can sit on your hilltop and philosophize as you do and if I were there on that hilltop alone with you and there was no one else involved anywhere else in our universes, I would agree with you.

But we know this is Earth in 2013 with not only 7 billion or so people but billions of other forms of consciousness. We also know that at the deepest levels we are all connected.

Anyone who has connection with their soul understands the innate responsibility we all have, to some extent, for each other. I expressed my sense of responsibility by addressing an issue to those I perceived capable of understanding it. You don't have to agree, but until you understand it, its impossible to object to it.

[Chester]

Chester,

Is there not more to your story? I am going to figure that you're not just frustrated with "some people who didn't believe my story", and that there is a bit more. Am I wrong?

Yes, there have been some posters on Avalon who have told others here on Avalon (not me) that their abduction experiences are fictions of their mind.

These same folks then state they do astral travel and other dimensional travel and that all those realms are all filled with love and light and that a few nasty critters are found in the "lower astral" perhaps but that they are nothing to worry about, da di da.

They also proclaim that much of the discussed satanic ritual abuse elements are essentially "Hollywood productions."

Now, it is clear to me that the person who has had abduction experiences does not have any possibility (based on the degree of trauma they have been subjected to) in receiving any assistance relative to these experiences (which in most cases have been ongoing) with an attitude such as that.

I believed the caring folks on this forum could do better than that. This thread was aimed at those folks.

That's all.

Do note, I, as well have had since I was 6 yeras old, some quite interesting "contactee" experiences. I call it "contactee" because I have taken responsibility for these experiences. But others have not done so. They perceive themselves as abductees. I care for them as if they were anyone else... another human being. But I recognize the difficulty one has in raising up from that "abductee" status to a status that does not involve being a victim.

To invalidate someone's experience and proclaim yourself (as the ones I aimed my thread at) as "spiritual teachers" is heartless. I was hoping to shake free a bit the grip "something" might have on their heart.

[Chester]

Here is a post in another thread by a respected member sms that addresses this in a very good way -

Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53854-Metaphysics-Where-Science-and-Spirituality-Meet&p=682008&viewfull=1#post682008)


If he had not pulled out, today we would probably have a topic on this forum: “An Update On Our Evolution by Ted Rice”. I say, a rare case, as most of the others proceed under an impression that they were guided by a divine hand to work for the good of humanity, while in fact, acting as alien spiritual disinfo vehicles.

[DeDukshyn]

But never (and this is just my opinion) can one pretend their are compassionate while simultaneously invalidating the experience of others while at the same time proclaiming their non physical realm experiences are real. Ludicrous.

This statement appears to be invalidating the experience of others. ;)
Give it some thought. Its the same in both directions. ;)

You are only responsible for your own state of mind. If you choose to accept others projections into your own personal state of mind and react to it, the error to be corrected lies not with the perceived others.

My 2 cents again, take it or leave it. But please don't "invalidate" it ;) lol, I'm joking of course Chester.

It appears still the point is not understood. let me take myself as an example. I do not invalidate the experience others have in the "above lower astral" and "higher dimensional realms. I object to those same folks proclaiming they

a.) are compassionate,

b.) state that their own experiences are real (and are of the only true, non-physical reality)

c.) and then state that those who have had abduction experiences are delusional.

One is anything but compassionate when they tell the victim of an abduction experience that their abduction experience is a delusion of their mind.

One perhaps is delusional if they expect someone who has been the target of one or more alien abduction experiences to buy into their views that this victim's experiences are fictions of their own mind.

I hope that has clarified this better. There's not much more I can do to make this any more clear at this point.

There is zero about my statement that invalidates the experiences claimed by these others. I point out the quite evident hypocrisy of their opinions about it relative to their opinions of the experiences of those who have been abducted.

Ok so we get to the heart of o' the matter. I was avoiding the "heart" on purpose. For in my words lies not comfort or agreement. That is what your ego is seeking, and I avoid catering at all costs. But I sought to throw some things in your direction that may be encompassing.

Your issue is real. But it lies not with "them".

Objections to:
A) "are compassionate." -- maybe they are, maybe they aren't maybe they are just with you, maybe just not with you. What's it to you?
B) "state their own experiences are real" -- Maybe they are maybe they aren't. Should we send the "reality police" after them?
C) "state that those with abduction experiences are delusional" -- This might be what they truly believe -- shall you "invalidate" this? ;)

At the end of the day, you are responsible for which of these you allow into your state of mind in such a way that will affect it. No one else has this responsibility.
Are you frustrated? Probably ... this is what I hear in this thread and this is a valid expression. Are you "right"? "Right vs Wrong" tends to be just a game peoples use to manipulate others' minds -- if we accept it.

Hehe, sorry if I seem a bit harsh to your issue, I preach a lot of love and peace at times, but I'm definitely not all "light and love". I have no interest in patronizing anyone. ;)

Do you have a family by chance? If so, and one of your children has an issue - do you let them flop in the wind? It isn't your issue, correct? What if one of your children happens to be exhibiting what is clearly harmful behavior? Behavior that may be harmful to others... do you just let that go? It is not your issue, right?

So you can sit on your hilltop and philosophize as you do and if I were there on that hilltop alone with you and there was no one else involved anywhere else in our universes, I would agree with you.

But we know this is Earth in 2013 with not only 7 billion or so people but billions of other forms of consciousness. We also know that at the deepest levels we are all connected.

Anyone who has connection with their soul understands the innate responsibility we all have, to some extent, for each other. I expressed my sense of responsibility by addressing an issue to those I perceived capable of understanding it. You don't have to agree, but until you understand it, its impossible to object to it.

I have kids, one is a teenager. I tell my son what I think, what I expect of him, what I expect of myself, and what to expect of me. I do not have the greatest relationship in the world with him, but I can't really complain much either in the big picture. You can't change people. You just can't no matter how much you love them, in fact the more you love them, the more you have to give them their respect of their self.

You can share with them how you feel, how think, and leave it at that, you can tell them you love them, better yet you can show them love ... consistently. And they may learn. Children have a tendency to what their parents do and ignore what they say. In respect to this there is nothing to do but give them love and understanding even during mistakes, although, never patronize, be always honest and sincere. I have allowed my son the choice of a few pretty big mistakes -- he chose them and I allowed it. There is nothing else to do, and usually nothing is more effective. But I retained his respect, and in the end he still did learn, just a harder route. I can imagine that this is not easy in certain circumstance, and that I may have got off easy.

The alternative is forceful control, judgements and attempted control via anger and other ego methods of forceful control. I do let me son know when I am disappointed in him but still attempt to do that in a simple and loving manner, he reacts often and I have to say, "That's just how I felt about x" and leave it alone. I try not to get caught up but am not perfect either.

At some point in our attempt to "expect of" and "control" others is no different than what we view as some of our leaders view the masses, there has to be a distinction here because this is what is different, what sits outside out current paradigm.

My 2 cents. I have a feeling this has more to do with your son than your previous post indicates. I hope I am not stepping on toes.

Regards.

[DeDukshyn]

Here is a post in another thread by a respected member sms that addresses this in a very good way -

Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53854-Metaphysics-Where-Science-and-Spirituality-Meet&p=682008&viewfull=1#post682008)


If he had not pulled out, today we would probably have a topic on this forum: “An Update On Our Evolution by Ted Rice”. I say, a rare case, as most of the others proceed under an impression that they were guided by a divine hand to work for the good of humanity, while in fact, acting as alien spiritual disinfo vehicles.

I don't mean to "demean" or "dismiss" these details. But things are not this complex. The answer lies in the simplicity of reality. "The Devil is in the details" My 2 cents. I've been there.

And .. perhaps more on topic ... **** happens.

[Chester]

If no one stood up for the weaker when injustice occurs, all life would be forever consumed by the forces of darkness.

Read this (http://galaksija.com/literatura/Karla_Turner_Masquerade_of_Angels.pdf) - then get back with me

[enfoldedblue]

My intention is to speak for myself yet also having those in mind who cannot. That is all. I am able to do this more easily now whereas many still caught within the darkest corners of the very real matrix are less able.

In the end, those who live in the happy dream may prove to have known the greater truth all along (which is my hope). The error (in my opinion) is when they take on the mantle of authority and through that, invalidate the experiences of others. To me, there can be nothing worse, especially when they then state, "Love to you."

100% contradictory to their actions (delivered through their words) an there's no excuse for that - zero.

Take Care and thanks for this exchange, Chester

Hi Chester,

I believe that part of the problem is the definition of love. I mean when a word is used to describe romantic love, and used as a synonym of light and fluffy stuff, and the deeper more profound love, and conditional and unconditional love and well.... everything (all is love), then there is going to be more than just a little room for conflicting perspectives and misinterpretation.

When I first started interacting on the net... I began to encounter ‘lightworkers’. What I saw disturbed me. I saw people who from my perspective were using love as a shield or bubble...talking about love and light and sharing pictures of rainbows and dolphins (ha ha just writing this I can feel there is still a bit of unresolved tension for me here) and labeling anyone who discussed anything ‘dark’ as negative. In my experience love, when it is only equated with light, is shallow and exclusionary...which to me goes against what I perceive love to be. I made it my mission to share what I saw as a deeper form of love, one that knows no boundaries and is something that connects and heals rather than something that shields and excludes.

Now I no longer feel I have any mission at all. I just do what I love (though it is almost the same thing...just much less attachment).

The people who you speak for...(the ones wounded on the fringes of the matrix), are confronting to people who use love as a bubble of protection because without roots that reach down comfortably into the darkness..too much exposure to the pain of people (who likely are the aspects of us (humanity) who most need love and support) threaten to bring the love bubble people down as they do not have a solid foundation.

For me the key is to remember that everyone is doing the best they can. Those who use love to hide from the ugliness of reality likely are not ready to go deeper yet. I try not to judge, though I understand that when they act as though they are holding a ‘higher’ truth than those who are well connected to pain and suffering, it can be frustrating.

I will stop here for now...but have more say when I have more time.

[Chester]

EDIT: Some people will claim that humans have no control over their state of mind ... those are the ones who have not fully woken from the hypnotic spell that causes humans to act out as victims. Part of "awakening" is breaking from this spell and recovering your mind at least to some extent. It can definitely be done, and is actually a goal.

I agree 100% with this statement.

Unfortunately I have to add something (Chester style). One can, as I have made great strides in doing, raise themselves out of that vicious dynamic of oppressor/oppressed relative to ones mental state. I have played both roles well. I have been fortunate that I have an extremely strong (some say too strong) spirit (from which my reactive emotions arise). But I also exist at this time anchored in a human body. So "what" is anchored? For me, the answer is my spirit being which is composed of three components, not two (spirit / mind). The third is known as the soul. This soul (based on my research and my intuition) is the end game target for others in their various forms of being. These others could be humans in appearance, they could be emboddied ETs/EDs, they could be incorporeal ETs/EDs as well.

And now my point. On Earth today are fellow human beings who have (wittingly and unwittingly) aligned with what some refer to as the forces of darkness. They act in concert with non human physical beings as well as incorporeal beings. When some amongst the forces of darkness target a single individual, that targeting is not simply a matter of the mind. It is a targeting of the soul which can only be attacked through the other components of spirit and mind as well as the physical body. Depending on which level of being is the member of the dark forces as to their capabilities for manipulating a human being determines which component(s) are attacked at any given incident of attack.

Most folks do not receive this sort of attention. Some receive the "benevolent, evolved, other dimensional attention which, if they fall for it, turns them into a "spiritual teacher" (regardless of whether or not they state this or accept the moniker if someone applies it to them) - their actions say it all (including the actions of their words!

For a person who, by their words, implies they are an authority on the astral realms and the other dimensional realms to simultaneously invalidate the experiences of an individual who has been targeted by the forces of darkness and then use the word "love" in such statements as "love to you" is actually emulating one of the staunchest prison guard positions in the hierarchy of the dark forces. To do that is unconscionable, unacceptable and clearly and only self serving.

To those who have fallen into this lovely fly trap, I created this thread.

For those of less strength of spirit who find themselves caught in this fly trap, I hope these prison guards take a long hard look in the mirror.

[Chester]

My intention is to speak for myself yet also having those in mind who cannot. That is all. I am able to do this more easily now whereas many still caught within the darkest corners of the very real matrix are less able.

In the end, those who live in the happy dream may prove to have known the greater truth all along (which is my hope). The error (in my opinion) is when they take on the mantle of authority and through that, invalidate the experiences of others. To me, there can be nothing worse, especially when they then state, "Love to you."

100% contradictory to their actions (delivered through their words) an there's no excuse for that - zero.

Take Care and thanks for this exchange, Chester

Hi Chester,

I believe that part of the problem is the definition of love. I mean when a word is used to describe romantic love, and used as a synonym of light and fluffy stuff, and the deeper more profound love, and conditional and unconditional love and well.... everything (all is love), then there is going to be more than just a little room for conflicting perspectives and misinterpretation.

When I first started interacting on the net... I began to encounter ‘lightworkers’. What I saw disturbed me. I saw people who from my perspective were using love as a shield or bubble...talking about love and light and sharing pictures of rainbows and dolphins (ha ha just writing this I can feel there is still a bit of unresolved tension for me here) and labeling anyone who discussed anything ‘dark’ as negative. In my experience love, when it is only equated with light, is shallow and exclusionary...which to me goes against what I perceive love to be. I made it my mission to share what I saw as a deeper form of love, one that knows no boundaries and is something that connects and heals rather than something that shields and excludes.

Now I no longer feel I have any mission at all. I just do what I love (though it is almost the same thing...just much less attachment).

The people who you speak for...(the ones wounded on the fringes of the matrix), are confronting to people who use love as a bubble of protection because without roots that reach down comfortably into the darkness..too much exposure to the pain of people (who likely are the aspects of us (humanity) who most need love and support) threaten to bring the love bubble people down as they do not have a solid foundation.

For me the key is to remember that everyone is doing the best they can. Those who use love to hide from the ugliness of reality likely are not ready to go deeper yet. I try not to judge, though I understand that when they act as though they are holding a ‘higher’ truth than those who are well connected to pain and suffering, it can be frustrating.

I will stop here for now...but have more say when I have more time.

Do you have children? If you do, you might know that sometimes you have to take actual, real, physical realm measures to stop a child from harming themselves. Where do we draw the line? When the child reaches a physical age? When its not "your child?"

Have you ever been in a situation where a complete stranger was in some sort of distress and that you felt compelled to offer them your help... whatever help that might be? Where is that magic line between, "its not my issue" and "perhaps I should at least offer some assistance?"

Mission? Why does being an STO human have to be called a mission? Can there be a difference between a human being who has found being STO to be quite satisfying without having to be on some "mission?"

Could one simply be "good" and that their actions reasonably, consistently support that label?

That's what I strive to be and want to know my inspirations for this? My three sons who are influenced by my example (and who have already experienced far worse than most). My step-daughter whose biological father abandoned her before she was born. My wife who is, for me, the most amazing woman on earth. My sister who has been traumatized by the "dark Chester" for so many years not to mention the trauma we both endured (and still endue to this day) from our mother. My father who saw at such an early age what I see now but was "before his time" and succumbed via suicide to "the voices," "the code" applied by human beings he worked with on the other (dark) side of his double life. And that's just my most immediate family.

And so when we consider the "matrix" and the fact that only the soul exists in all time at the single moment, we understand how just a few within a single generation get this sort of attention. Those who don't likely cannot understand what it is like to be a "chosen one." So to then sit in the place of safety and believe that the views of one who is free at this time and has no recall of ever being a captive... (and which might be you, "blue" as well as the majority of "soul containers" on Earth at this time) ... to be free from the attention of the dark forces and then conclude your experience applies to all others, approaches either innocence, ignorance or arrogance.

In your case, I see it as almost pure innocence... the innocence of a child.

[Fred Steeves]

For those of less strength of spirit who find themselves caught in this fly trap, I hope these prison guards take a long hard look in the mirror.

Those are two things to be extremely cautious of Chester. "Strength of spirit" is relative/subjective, as we are ALL both responsible for the world we live in, and caught in that "fly trap" to varying degrees.

As for that "long hard look in the mirror", the only proper use of this powerful tool is when aimed at ourselves. Pointing that bad boy outwards only creates more division. :nod: Most especially when done in a public setting...

[Chester]

For those of less strength of spirit who find themselves caught in this fly trap, I hope these prison guards take a long hard look in the mirror.

Those are two things to be extremely cautious of Chester. "Strength of spirit" is relative/subjective, as we are ALL both responsible for the world we live in, and caught in that "fly trap" to varying degrees.

As for that "long hard look in the mirror", the only proper use of this powerful tool is when aimed at ourselves. Pointing that bad boy outwards only creates more division. :nod: Most especially when done in a public setting...

At the same time, was done at the ones who have forced the issue.

I don't back down for anyone at any time for any reason. I was raised by folks to understand the phrase, "Do the right thing." I have adopted this phrase. Do not take this to imply I assume I know what any one right thing might be... I can only find that out for myself in reflection after the actions. Others can judge my actions as well but again, only through reflection. But if I do not act, I am nothing more than the living dead. This thread was an expression of my action. Yes, there are folks here I aimed this thread at and yes, it is my opinion they should read it and look in the mirror. No apologies.

"Do the right thing."

The key word here is "do" and I did and I always will. If this means I am asked to leave the forum for example, so be it - no issue here. I would rather be expelled than sit back and "accept" abuse towards those less able to come to their own defense.

There is a struggle on Earth at this time - some call it a "spiritual war." I see it as an all out struggle on all levels of being, not just the spiritual level.

I don't walk away from the call. My only regret is... "what took me so long?"

[Fred Steeves]

There is a struggle on Earth at this time - some call it a "spiritual war." I see it as an all out struggle on all levels of being, not just the spiritual level.

I don't walk away from the call. My only regret is... "what took me so long?"

Well o.k. then, to each their own, just remember that war does not = peace. Like John Lennon said: "Fighting for peace is like f****** for virginity.

[Chester]

There is a struggle on Earth at this time - some call it a "spiritual war." I see it as an all out struggle on all levels of being, not just the spiritual level.

I don't walk away from the call. My only regret is... "what took me so long?"

Well o.k. then, to each their own, just remember that war does not = peace. Like John Lennon said: "Fighting for peace is like f****** for virginity.

Agree and this that is why I see it as a struggle...

ALERT: TO ALL who have posted and viewed this thread. I will not be posting in it anymore and will ask that it be closed in 24 - 48 hours after everyone has had a chance to have the last words. I have accomplished what I set out to accomplish by creating this thread and any further posts (by me) won't serve any further good.

[DeDukshyn]

Here's some more distinctions:

Helping someone in a situation and "changing" someone are not the same thing at all. In order to "help" most people permanently, a change of their self is required. If they resist that change that is needed for whatever reason or excuse they make (usually excuses to not leave a "comfort zone"), then control or force is pretty much the only thing to change them permanently. This is the current relationship between mass and "elite" - This is not in a good way ..

If someone finds them selves in need of "help" more often then not, then this may be a catalyst to drive their permanent change, we can offer these people tools and encourage them.

If someone finds themselves in an immediate physical or mental distress, who says we shouldn't help them? We should always treat others as we would want to be treated if we found ourselves somehow in their shoes, this is compassion. But change and help are not the same.


When you break the "issue" into smaller chunks it makes it easier to discuss, EnfoldedBlue makes a great point about how peoples definitions vary, and their views vary but may still be rigid to each. There is much misunderstanding in this thread about the intentions of others messages. Myself included.

My last words here, over and out! ;)

[enfoldedblue]

Yes, based on your responses...I don't feel satisfied that you are 'hearing' me, or have a real interest in trying, and think you probably feel the same....so in terms of our discussion at the moment this is probably best.

Kind regards, c

[music]

That "love and light" of the "life is fluffy" variety is promoted is not a surprise, since this is a route to ensuring continued disempowerment. Many genuine, decent, spiritual people have been taken in by it.

That "fear and darkness" of the "life is struggle" variety is promoted is not a surprise, since this is a route to ensuring continued disempowerment. Many genuine, decent, spiritual people have been taken in by it.

Before we make a call on what the nature of reality is, we might be best served getting our own houses in order first. My own house still has elements of disorder, but the clearer it gets, the clearer I get. We are all works in progress.

Every time I express something that attacks another person, or their beliefs, I know it is time to get the old broom out again, because most of the time, I find my attack stems from fear, insecurity, or blinkered perception within myself.

[jiminii]

For those of less strength of spirit who find themselves caught in this fly trap, I hope these prison guards take a long hard look in the mirror.

Those are two things to be extremely cautious of Chester. "Strength of spirit" is relative/subjective, as we are ALL both responsible for the world we live in, and caught in that "fly trap" to varying degrees.

As for that "long hard look in the mirror", the only proper use of this powerful tool is when aimed at ourselves. Pointing that bad boy outwards only creates more division. :nod: Most especially when done in a public setting...

At the same time, was done at the ones who have forced the issue.

I don't back down for anyone at any time for any reason. I was raised by folks to understand the phrase, "Do the right thing." I have adopted this phrase. Do not take this to imply I assume I know what any one right thing might be... I can only find that out for myself in reflection after the actions. Others can judge my actions as well but again, only through reflection. But if I do not act, I am nothing more than the living dead. This thread was an expression of my action. Yes, there are folks here I aimed this thread at and yes, it is my opinion they should read it and look in the mirror. No apologies.

"Do the right thing."

The key word here is "do" and I did and I always will. If this means I am asked to leave the forum for example, so be it - no issue here. I would rather be expelled than sit back and "accept" abuse towards those less able to come to their own defense.

There is a struggle on Earth at this time - some call it a "spiritual war." I see it as an all out struggle on all levels of being, not just the spiritual level.

I don't walk away from the call. My only regret is... "what took me so long?"

it's all in the timing ... it's all in the timing ... and the timing is perfect

jim

[ThePythonicCow]

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