Man dead in suspected Woolwich (London) terror attack

[norman]

Just in time to creat a big distraction from the Bilderberg gathering in England, and a good excuse to get heavy handed with the security.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303


A BBC radio report mentioned that it's believed the killing was 'filmed'.

That could mean there's going to be a video going around the internet very soon that will be so sensational it'll draw in a lot of attention.

EDIT:

Early reports said the dead man was a soldier who was beheaded with a hatchet and then the 2 men who did it posed to be filmed and then they were shot by police and taken to hospital.

[Forevernyt]

You beat me to it.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4938197/shooting-in-woolwich-london.html

[Gardener]

Wait - An eye witness reports that another person, pulled up in a siver car, gets out shouts 'call the police' produces a handgun, gets back in the car and drives away.
Just wanted to get that down in case the report goes into memory hole.

Might that be a 'handler' electronic or otherwise.
The witness report is here.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22631995

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Footage of the attacker holding machette with blood on his hands. WARNING DISTURBING.

Took police 20 mins to get there!!!

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-22/exclusive-video-man-with-bloodied-hands-speaks-at-woolwich-scene/

[Star Tsar]

Took police 20 mins to get there!!!

Yep that's the Metropolitan police for you corporations first taxpayers/citizens last!

:frusty::mmph::frusty::mmph:

PS those look like standard kitchen knifes to me...

[kesom]

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[GrnEggsNHam]

As the clip ends "on the day Baghdad style violence came to South London."

Just pointing out the subtle programming here. You are to associate violent acts with the middle east and Baghdad, the capital of Iraq in particular.

You are also programmed by contrast to associate South London with peace and or the reverse of this situation.

[Wind]

The new energies are making some people go crazy. Then there are the weapons of mass distraction...

[Star Tsar]

If the victim has been decapitated why is there no blood near his body or anywhere in this clip?

[kesom]

some more footage and photo's...............

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0f_1369235265

[mcat911]

If this is real then my sympathies are with the murdered guy. No one deserves that.

[Sérénité]

There's a huge flood of anger regarding this already on the newsfeeds of social media.
Whether this was staged, genuine or something in between I have no idea but I don't think it will lead to anything positive or peaceful occurring from the masses here in the UK.

Thoughts to the man and his family, wrong place wrong time sometimes has horrendous consequences.

[Sérénité]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10073910/Soldier-beheaded-in-Islamist-terror-attack-oustide-barracks.html

[InCiDeR]

I posted this in another thread just recently, might as well go here:


Another thing now. If you have watched the video of Boston Marathon Bombing - Guy Makes Dust Over Injured People, and focused on the people in the group, one can see that they are acting really violently, like crocodiles at a feeding frenzy.

Now compare this to what is said about how the men acted in Brutal cleaver assault on man in London street is suspected terror attack.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/world/europe/uk-london-attack/index.html

There are similarities.

Highly interesting!

Playing the "muslim" card again are we?

(...)The man, who is black and appears to have a London accent, carries on: "The only reasons we killed this man this is because Muslims are dying daily. This British soldier is an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth.(...)

They starting to heat up MKULtra in full scale?

(...)The men appeared to want to be filmed, he said, saying that one of the attackers went over to a bus and asked people to take photos of him as if he wanted to be on TV.(...)

[Forevernyt]

If the victim has been decapitated why is there no blood near his body or anywhere in this clip?

Apparently, he was chopped up, stabbed and slashed by where the car struck him, then dragged into the middle of the street.

[Sidney]

Anybody else think the blood on that guys hands looks fake. Blood is darker than that, IMO.

[avid]

no blood on street.....??????

[mcat911]

Not if it's arterial blood, it's bright due to the oxygen content. Venous blood on the other hand is dark due to the diminished oxygen content.

[MorningFox]

no blood on street.....??????

Oh please read the thread before you post. It was already stated that they killed him next to the car, where there is a huge pool of blood clearly visible, then dragged him into the middle of the road.

[Bongo]

There is blood on the street, its on the path by the car.

There is a pool of blood on the left & drag marks towards the road.

These are pictures from kesom's link above.

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/20/media20/2013/May/22/LiveLeak-dot-com-a3ff82b57651-1369237339340.png.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bad19f4f42d9d4768e&ec_rate=200

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/20/media20/2013/May/22/LiveLeak-dot-com-9f9e695b5f59-1369237279685.png.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bad19f4f42d9d4768e&ec_rate=200

[MorningFox]

Wait - An eye witness reports that another person, pulled up in a siver car, gets out shouts 'call the police' produces a handgun, gets back in the car and drives away.
Just wanted to get that down in case the report goes into memory hole.

Might that be a 'handler' electronic or otherwise.
The witness report is here.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22631995

I'm fairly certain that it was just the guy wording it badly. I saw a different video interview with the same guy and he didn't imply that the man in the car had a gun, just the attacker. I think he meant that a guy in a silver car pulled up and shouted to call the police, then one of the attackers pulled out the handgun, then the silver car drove off.

[InCiDeR]

Woolwich terror attack - eyewitness account
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Woolwich attack: 'We will never buckle in the face of terror' says PM
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[norman]

Bloody typical bit of 'insertion'.


The footage shown on the ITV website shows a man, speaking to the camera, saying: "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
He added: "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."

[miqeel]

"major terrorist incident" Jesus, If only these tossers could just report the 2 boys for what they were, dumb religious fanatics high on coke and speed and simply not mention them again? That would be so much better, because now that they got publicity, **** like that may happen more often.

Terrible.

[Padmé]

Yes, I agree... major terrorist incident? Talk about blowing things out of proportion! (Of course, its a tragedy when ever somebody loses a life... not dismissing that at all!)

Hmm... increased security for Bilderberg? Campaign to gain popularity for Cameron? And great, now the EDL want to come and use it to boost their popularity! Fanbloodytastic!

[Joseph McAree]

I am saddened to see such attacks, this could start further violence against the Muslim communities in the UK in retribution for this evil act, please pray for peace and my heart goes out to the family of this young man , killed randomly in a moment of madness, his young life taken in such a brutal and horrible way, I pray for all of them.

I am also concerned that the media are fuelling the fire for conflict with the level of coverage this is being on TV. The freedom of the press is one thing but to play into the perpetrators hands by playing the video that was taken by the tourist, what do you think it would be like for the parents of this young man that has just been killed and mutilated, so what would you be thinking if it was your son ? Think about it . That young mans parents sitting watching the news tonight how are they going to cope, how would you cope ?

Peace be with you
Joe

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

So rather than giving this way too much time and energy, though I mean no disrespect to the victim or anyone else affected by this, lets keep our eyes wide and sharp. This is a major distraction. Possible more for the local front to turn heads away from Bilderberg. There is more afoot than this. Its a bad attempt at diversion.

Keep your eyes on the trees where you cant see and not the road which is lit up :)

PVM

[Taurean]

I'm somewhat concerned that all the interviewee's and the PM seem to have well prepared and thought out responses, also the culprits were inviting people to video the event.

It's just been on Jeremy Paxman's show and I get the distinct impression that " Internet censorship " is the main target.

[M0JFK]

Questions that need to be answered.
1, why did they wait for the police to come shoot them without first trying to kill as many innocent people as possible?
2, why did that old women with her shopping trolley walk past one of the terrorist’s murderers like nothing was happening?
3, Why was the two young women squatting down and trying to talk to a headless body with no sign of blood anywhere near the body or on any of the the young women after one was lying down by his side and why did they then stand up and start to have a nice little chat and not run off screaming?
4, Why take them to two separate hospitals surely this makes guarding them twice as difficult?
5, Why was this event staged?

[norman]

5, Why was this event staged?



....you can not be serious :tape2:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

[Tesseract]

Those who have been following the situation in Syria will have seen the images of beheadings and other mutilations carried out by anti-government forces. You will have seen the perpetrators calmly, smiling, holding a severed head up for the camera. These are the people who are encouraged, paid for and trained by countries including the UK.

Now you have the leaders of that same country expressing outrage that an extremist has, in similar fashion, killed and mutilated someone in London. You have the same media expressing outrage and horror, at this act – when the same media did their very best to play down and justify the mutilation and cannibalism committed by the so called FSA.
Is this satire?

[norman]

Those who have been following the situation in Syria will have seen the images of beheadings and other mutilations carried out by anti-government forces. You will have seen the perpetrators calmly, smiling, holding a severed head up for the camera. These are the people who are encouraged, paid for and trained by countries including the UK.

Now you have the leaders of that same country expressing outrage that an extremist has, in similar fashion, killed and mutilated someone in London. You have the same media expressing outrage and horror, at this act – when the same media did their very best to play down and justify the mutilation and cannibalism committed by the so called FSA.
Is this satire?

Your observation angle may be right.

A basic tit for tat geopolitical retaliation episode.

I Know that's a possibility, but the timing suggests to me that there 'has' to be a Manchurian Candidate aspect to this.

[Tesseract]

Police deployed to flash protests in London.

Video:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-23/rioters-clash-with-london-police/4708010

[DeDukshyn]

Some guy gets murdered and it's international news because they need more "terrorist" propaganda.

Any one know how many were murdered in my city in the last few weeks by "non-terrorists?" A few and I live in Canada. One was a small child and her mother.

I wonder how many thousands of African children died today because the greedy rich can't share? I wonder how many innocent Syrian civilians were killed in the last few days to keep us safe from proclaimed "terrorists"? I wonder how many banksters made illegal millions on our hard earned money?

I've already way overstayed my response ... waste of time distractions to keep us from fixing the real problems on earth ...

[Padmé]

Police deployed to flash protests in London.

Video:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-23/rioters-clash-with-london-police/4708010

Arghhh!!! EDL scumbags!!!!!! This is all too close for my comfort... I live in a very multi cultural borough only 30 minutes drive away! We managed to stop them marching through our streets last Summer but they managed to march through not long after!!! :( This is terrible news!!!! :(

[norman]

Police deployed to flash protests in London.

Video:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-23/rioters-clash-with-london-police/4708010

http://news.sky.com/story/1094514/woolwich-riot-police-contain-edl-supporters

Oh Sheet... this is giving off a nasty smell.



English Defence League supporters have thrown missiles at police in Woolwich after a machete attack that left one man dead.
A group of between 75 and 100 men gathered at The Queen's Arms pub on Burrage Grove, where they sang nationalistic songs.
Sky News correspondent Alistair Bunkall, who is at the scene, said: "As soon as the EDL got into the town centre ... it became not only a lot harder for the police to try and contain anything, but also the aggression (increased) quite considerably.
"A few missiles have been thrown, glass bottles and the like. The police are trying to surround them and they've been charging them as well with batons."
It came after two men were arrested following separate attacks on mosques hours after the suspected terrorist incident in Woolwich.
A 43-year-old man is in custody on suspicion of attempted arson after reportedly walking into a mosque with a knife in Braintree, Essex.
Local MP Brooks Newmark said on this Twitter account: "Local mosque in Braintree attacked by man with knives and incendiary device. Man arrested. No one injured.
"Just met with leaders of local mosque in Braintree which was attacked this evening. Thanked local police for their swift response."
Essex Police confirmed a 43-year-old from Braintree had been arrested on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon and attempted arson after the incident in Silks Way at 7.15pm.
Meanwhile police in Kent were called to reports of criminal damage at a mosque in Canterbury Street, Gillingham, at 8.40pm.
A spokesman said a man was in custody on suspicion of racially-aggravated criminal damage.

[Dorjezigzag]

Interesting to also consider what has been happening in Sweden for the last few days in relation to the incidents in London


Rioters have lit fires and stoned emergency services in the suburbs of Stockholm for the third night in a row after a man was shot dead by police. An investigation is under way into the shooting of a man, 69, last Monday after police were called out to a home in Husby where the man was allegedly brandishing a machete.

Police say they tried unsuccessfully to negotiate with the man after learning a woman was inside the flat along with him. They then stormed the flat.

Incidents were reported in at least nine suburbs of the Swedish capital and police made eight arrests.

On Sunday night, more than 100 cars were set alight, Swedish media report.


Earlier on Tuesday, Prime Minister Reinfeldt said: "We've had two nights with great unrest, damage, and an intimidating atmosphere in Husby and there is a risk it will continue.

"We have groups of young men who think that that they can and should change society with violence. Let's be clear: this is not okay. We cannot be ruled by violence."

More than 80% of Husby's 12,000 or so inhabitants are from an immigrant background, and most are from Turkey, the Middle East and Somalia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22622909

[norman]

errrr... OK....

I get it now. !

The street level "individual" ( the video soundbite aspect ) was supposed to trigger a street levels 'bloody rage'.

It's nearly the end of May and we are just coming into the summer "riot" season !



I know the EDL skin heads are not reading this, BUT !.................

BACK OFF !

You are being taken for a ride on the ghost train to hell.

[Sidney]

Next think you know they will go door to door confiscating kitchen knives. :rolleyes:

[InCiDeR]

Interesting to also consider what has been happening in Sweden for the last few days in relation to the incidents in London


Rioters have lit fires and stoned emergency services in the suburbs of Stockholm for the third night in a row after a man was shot dead by police. An investigation is under way into the shooting of a man, 69, last Monday after police were called out to a home in Husby where the man was allegedly brandishing a machete.

Police say they tried unsuccessfully to negotiate with the man after learning a woman was inside the flat along with him. They then stormed the flat.

Incidents were reported in at least nine suburbs of the Swedish capital and police made eight arrests.

On Sunday night, more than 100 cars were set alight, Swedish media report.


Earlier on Tuesday, Prime Minister Reinfeldt said: "We've had two nights with great unrest, damage, and an intimidating atmosphere in Husby and there is a risk it will continue.

"We have groups of young men who think that that they can and should change society with violence. Let's be clear: this is not okay. We cannot be ruled by violence."

More than 80% of Husby's 12,000 or so inhabitants are from an immigrant background, and most are from Turkey, the Middle East and Somalia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22622909

Thank you! ... you beat me to it! ;)


Boston, Woolwich, Sweden... and I guess there will be some place more soon.

I believe the bigger picture will soon show its real face.

Anyone remember that Israel were accused nuking Syria now?

Or that they try to restrict and control the internet with new laws and regulations.

.... and with martial law around the corner, which people will beg for...

I will no longer call it the "New World Order",

It is already here

And it has been for quite some time

Our eyes can not always see the air

[Padmé]

I'm somewhat concerned that all the interviewee's and the PM seem to have well prepared and thought out responses, also the culprits were inviting people to video the event.

It's just been on Jeremy Paxman's show and I get the distinct impression that " Internet censorship " is the main target.

I think you may be right... check this out...
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Apology's if this has already been shared...

[Nothingness]

This reminds me of the homeless man that was attacked and had his face half-eaten off by the attacker with super strength in US not too long ago. Very odd happenings without a doubt.

Although, sometimes these things seem to go over people's heads. They don't register. Thirty years ago I remember a newscaster telling of the muirder of a thirteen year old girl that was also cannibalized. It was said so matter of fact, and nothing more was made of it. I think people are more awake than they were thirty years ago, too. Unconsciousness definitely contributed to a lot of what we see now.

[ghostrider]

that bloodthirsty Allah, demanding murder ... organized religion, the virus of earth ... killing won't solve a thing, it will only bring more killing ... peace is the answer ... doesn't the Koran teach all life is sacred ? you can't even kill a tree ??? this is pitiful , if you don't like the government in London , leave and go to a musilm country ...this smells of lets create riots and chaos in the streets, so we can bring in martial law ... I noticed in the video a lady walking right by the man with knives and blood on his hands , and she just ho hum excuse me I'm going to the maket kinda blah , like no big deal , crazy man with knives in my path ...

[bennycog]

C'mon, you have kids and all you can think about is confronting someone with bloody hands and a knife which he allegedly killed a man with..
I consider myself to be heroic but would never do that especially being a parent..
She was not brave but either disgustingly foolish or being paid..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/05/23/10/51/mum-of-two-confronted-blood-soaked-london-killer

A courageous mother-of-two has described how she confronted one of the men accused of hacking a young British soldier to death in a London terror attack, telling him he was "going to lose".
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett held her nerve as she stood face-to-face with an Islamic extremist still clutching a bloodied kitchen knife, moments after he allegedly butchered and beheaded a man in a south-east London street, the UK's Telegraph reports.
The 48-year-old cub-scout leader, whose tense stand-off with the alleged killer was caught on camera by onlookers, said he told her, "We want to start a war in London tonight".
"It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?" she replied.
Ms Loyau-Kennett arrived on the scene at Woolwich shortly after the gruesome daylight killing, jumping off the number 53 bus to check the victim's pulse, she told the newspaper

"meanwhile"

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/05/23/00/52/fbi-shoots-dead-man-linked-to-boston-bombs

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said the man initiated a "violent confrontation" during questioning in Orlando, Florida, on Wednesday and was killed.
An FBI agent suffered "non-life threatening injuries".
The man, identified by the Orlando Sentinel newspaper as Ibragim Todashev, 27, was being questioned by the FBI agent, two Massachusetts state troopers and other law enforcement personnel.
Todashev attacked the FBI agent with a knife just as he was about to sign a confession that he had played a role in the triple murder, local media cited investigators as saying.
The triple murder took place on September 11, 2011 - the 10-year anniversary of the deadly attacks on the United States - in the Boston suburb of Waltham, according to reports.

[InCiDeR]

(...)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett held her nerve as she stood face-to-face with an Islamic extremist still clutching a bloodied kitchen knife,(...)

They could have used any other term, like suspect, attacker, killer, murderer, perpetrator etc etc... but they used Islamic extremist. They not trying to hammer in a special image in our mind, oh no!



The Federal Bureau of Investigation said the man initiated a "violent confrontation" during questioning in Orlando, Florida, on Wednesday and was killed.
An FBI agent suffered "non-life threatening injuries".(...)

He was being interrogated by FBI special agents with the presence of two Massachusetts State Police troopers when they had no choice but to kill him for brandishing a knife!!!! who is coming up with these scenarios?
(a comment from one article covering the story)

[norman]

""meanwhile" http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...o-boston-bombs (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/05/23/00/52/fbi-shoots-dead-man-linked-to-boston-bombs)"

Yea right....

Who do they take us for?

I'm still anticipating another thread to all this. Some sort of cyber attack/scare.

[Nothingness]

Yeah, I know what you are saying about the "Islamic extremist" reference InCider. Certainly lends itself to backing war with Iran or Syria or whatever, so this government can terrorize another country and decimate it for its resources--innocent woman and children and men and families, and people that have no idea in our military, and who didn't sign up for death and mutilation, and PTSD and never being sane again.

Well bennycog, I'm with you on using some common sense. The man was definitely dead, and there was no bringing him back to life. It's not like they could reattach the head. I'm old, so I can't run, my only defense would be to tell the perpetrator: Look it; I'm old and that cleaver isn't sharp enough to deal with my rubbery old neck, and by the time you make a dent, the police will be here and a crowd, too, and besides I've grown fond of my neck being attached to my head, and I'm a deaf old woman, so where is the dignity in that?

I've been a hero and stood up to people and other things in my life, but this seemed to be a lost cause, but I'm not saying what he did was OK.

[BIG CAT]

This was a violent and cowardly attack, they ran him over first then attacked him with butchers knives and then dragged his body in to the road, they then stopped people and told them to take photos of them.
God bless this poor young man, his family, and the brave women who shielded his body so the murderers were unable to pose for photos next to him while it's said police waited at the top of the street waiting for an armed response team.
No doubt info will emerge that will give a clearer picture on what really happened.

[lookbeyond]

C'mon, you have kids and all you can think about is confronting someone with bloody hands and a knife which he allegedly killed a man with..
I consider myself to be heroic but would never do that especially being a parent..
She was not brave but either disgustingly foolish or being paid..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/05/23/10/51/mum-of-two-confronted-blood-soaked-london-killer

A courageous mother-of-two has described how she confronted one of the men accused of hacking a young British soldier to death in a London terror attack, telling him he was "going to lose".
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett held her nerve as she stood face-to-face with an Islamic extremist still clutching a bloodied kitchen knife, moments after he allegedly butchered and beheaded a man in a south-east London street, the UK's Telegraph reports.
The 48-year-old cub-scout leader, whose tense stand-off with the alleged killer was caught on camera by onlookers, said he told her, "We want to start a war in London tonight".
"It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?" she replied.
Ms Loyau-Kennett arrived on the scene at Woolwich shortly after the gruesome daylight killing, jumping off the number 53 bus to check the victim's pulse, she told the newspaper

"meanwhile"

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/05/23/00/52/fbi-shoots-dead-man-linked-to-boston-bombs

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said the man initiated a "violent confrontation" during questioning in Orlando, Florida, on Wednesday and was killed.
An FBI agent suffered "non-life threatening injuries".
The man, identified by the Orlando Sentinel newspaper as Ibragim Todashev, 27, was being questioned by the FBI agent, two Massachusetts state troopers and other law enforcement personnel.
Todashev attacked the FBI agent with a knife just as he was about to sign a confession that he had played a role in the triple murder, local media cited investigators as saying.
The triple murder took place on September 11, 2011 - the 10-year anniversary of the deadly attacks on the United States - in the Boston suburb of Waltham, according to reports.

Totally agree lb

[M0JFK]

Not saying your wrong MorningFox but all the pictures I have of the other guy near the car show no blood in them at all and they are close up pictures...do you or can you find me one please that show blood near the car because I cant find any so far. Not saying your wrong like just that I cant find any pictures that say you are correct sir with what you have stated.

no blood on street.....??????

Oh please read the thread before you post. It was already stated that they killed him next to the car, where there is a huge pool of blood clearly visible, then dragged him into the middle of the road.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

A spokesman said a man was in custody on suspicion of racially-aggravated criminal damage.

So, lets put the racism aspect of this whole issue aside for just a sec, what you are left with is it is politically incorrect to get pissed off at public beheadings with butcherknives and you will end up in custody.

lets add the racism theme again and the rest of that just wonderfull sentence, racially- aggravated criminal damage, very weird sentence in any context if you take it apart, sooooo when an individual is the perp, not matter what race, religion and no matter in what context you are a dangerous uneducated stupid prickish individual, and when governments on a larger scale are responsible for the same dastardly deeds they bring the message of democracy eh?

Not saying racism is ok, beheadings of people are even worse, so we cant behead and not be pissed off when they happen because of ( cultural differences) and we certainly cant call a duck a duck eh?

The perp said, youre woman have to see this just like the woman in our country have to see this and your government does not care about you, statement 1 is not a particular tastefull statement but it is exactly the reason why people seek refuge in the west only to find out we are just a ****ed over here but in a different way as they are there and that makes statement 2 true.

This is not about racism, religion or sexism, this is about the creation of huge purposely divided masses by the bastards that are and we have just seen their tools in action, that kitchen knive and that meat cleaver killed one, the style of reporting however can set a world ablaze, have we really seen anything new here, I totally detest violence, but did those random kitchen utensils compare to the weapons of material and spiritual mass destruction that are used against us by the worlds governments? ( you know the same wmd that prolly f@cked up the perp before he moved to the UK and grabbed those kitchen utensils)

This case stinks like hell, they are screwing with us once again.

I will probably bull**** my self into a corner I cant get out of if I continue writing in this post and am not really up for that to be honest, whole questions and only half answers just keep popping up in my brain.

Pretty disgusting event in any case.

You tell me what we are left with.

Army bases in the UK are going on high alert, well whooptidoodah, just what the world needs, nervous neurotic youngsters in body armour with guns.

[M0JFK]

Not saying this is a fake but a close up of the knife says ACME productions on the handle. I have a sneaky feeling this is a put up job. We will soon see by what laws they bring in. I think this a put up job to take away even more of our freedoms.

[M0JFK]

Why did we not see armed officers shooting them? Why did we not see many armed officers at site of the bodies? I only counted 3 and none of them was wearing the usual garb that armed officers have. The whole area should of been swarming with armed response officers all pointing their heckle and cotch rifles down at the bodies until they was cuffed but I only counted 3 officers and one of them was a WPC with a nice white shirt on and stab vest. I don't think this is genuine...I could be wrong but there is just to many questions and strange behaviour done by people.

[InCiDeR]

Hasn't the world become a quite interesting place to live in when the first thing that pops up in our mind is a "setup" when we see similar deeds....

It is a sad sad state for mother Gaia and the humankind.

My thought goes out to the victims on both sides and all of them.

[BIG CAT]

MOJFK, i think you will find they edited out the killers being shot by police (and rightly so) as i dont think anyone wants to see that (or do you?) the pictures you see are showing the aftermath of the first armed team turning up, soon after no doubt more armed police arrived and what is wrong with one of the officers being a women? also the police were wearing exactly what they wear in an armed response, i think your confusing the uniform with riot police.

[Bongo]

Suppose I'll be the first to point it out, the guy in the video is high as a kite, look at the way he is he is trying to get moisture back in his mouth at about 4 - 5 sec in between his words. Seen it a million times by other people high on cocaine.

hRIFpkUFtl4

America has just said the war on terror will go on for another 10 years. This was not a terrorist attack, it was thugs that were high killing to get attention and this being blown out of proportion is exactly what Britain will be looking for to to justify the war on terror going on for another decade.

[Padmé]

Suppose I'll be the first to point it out, the guy in the video is high as a kite, look at the way he is he is trying to get moisture back in his mouth at about 4 - 5 sec in between his words. Seen it a million times by other people high on cocaine.


Yes, that was one of the first things I noticed too... but wondered if high doses of adrenalin would have a similar 'dry mouth' effect?

[Bongo]

Just found this, in the news clip his hands are bright red. The other is recorded by someone standing next to the news camera and he is saying the same speech but his hands aren't the same colour.

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EDIT

just noticed the double yellow lines changing colour in the videos trying to find the street on google earth to see if the lines are actually red or yellow.

UPDATE

The double lines in woolwich around the barracks are red.
The colour in the second video has been tampered with to make him look as if there isn't blood on his hands.

[MorningFox]

I think this is a good example of the difference between a false flag operation (London 7/7 bombings) and an actual circumstance where people (muslims) are angry about the war.

With the London bombings, whoever orchestrated this 1. didn't care about innocent people and 2. clearly wanted to get the general public on side with the war

This case in Woolwich, these two blokes only intended to hurt soldiers and police and made no effort whatsoever to hurt any innocent bystanders, they even spoke with them and apologised for people having to see it.

I'm not condoning what they did for a second, it is of course utterly wrong (two wrongs don't make a right), but it's a good example of true extremists as opposed to orchestrated false flags.

...but of course the media have/will jump all over it to help fuel the support for the war and anti-muslim hatred.

[mahalall]

With such lunacy,spin and manipulation one needs a clear head and a good heart
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[Padmé]

I've got myself in some crazy situations before and tend to jump in to defend and protect instinctively... not sure I could have done what she did though! What a woman!!! :) <3

[seko]

Looks like the oldest trick being played here... divide and conquer.
This is not about religion, muslims or Allah, it is called a false flag to continue their plan to blame it on the muslims so that they can continue in the middle east killing innocent people and taking over their lands.

In this video you can see that the man with the knife, doesn't have blood on his hands, but when the media is reporting it, the man has now blood on his hands.

Zfa3gXTqOH8


that bloodthirsty Allah, demanding murder ... organized religion, the virus of earth ... killing won't solve a thing, it will only bring more killing ... peace is the answer ... doesn't the Koran teach all life is sacred ? you can't even kill a tree ??? this is pitiful , if you don't like the government in London , leave and go to a musilm country ...this smells of lets create riots and chaos in the streets, so we can bring in martial law ... I noticed in the video a lady walking right by the man with knives and blood on his hands , and she just ho hum excuse me I'm going to the maket kinda blah , like no big deal , crazy man with knives in my path ...

[Padmé]

Hmm... it is a bit strange that the witnesses mum sat beside the body to try and comfort him... how could you casually sit beside a headless body and still think he's alive and might need comfort? Or is it just me? I don't think I could even look at a decapitated body :(

[apollo41]

the police were caught hiding around the corner while this was going on? what does that tell you? it seems they were waiting for the evil deed to be completed?eye witnesses have come forward and said they saw a crowd of police watching and waiting?it seems like a false flag to me?mind control, i wonder?

[Earth Angel]

I know people will say we are crazy that not everything is a false flag but come on ......the guy gives an interview to a woman on the street, who seems qualified to give an opinion on his mental state.......they tell people to call the police and then wait around for 7-10 minutes (depending on who is talking) for the police to arrive......in one scene the guy is talking to the camera and a little old woman is walking along with her bundle buggy towards him, did someone not think to say hey Mrs , yer man there has just butchered this bloodless body over here, you might wanna hold up a second!!
I feel like they are trying to tell us the truth and can't believe we are so stupid that we accept everything , even botched up jobs because some Lame Stream news show told us it happened.

Just watch the woman walking towards him like nothing is going on in the first few seconds of this video
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[Team Zen]

Hasn't the world become a quite interesting place to live in when the first thing that pops up in our mind is a "setup" when we see similar deeds....

It is a sad sad state for mother Gaia and the humankind.

My thought goes out to the victims on both sides and all of them.

I was just thinking the same thing right as I read your post...nowadays most news events create suspicion, not what they seem, hidden agenda, false flag, conspiracy!

Maybe yes, maybe no, even so, they do what they set out to accomplish...to divide and conquer. (EDIT: Seko just saw that you wrote divide and conquer too- after I wrote my post- so I totally agree with you too!)

insert big, tired sigh here.:noidea:

[donk]

No doubt info will emerge that will give a clearer picture on what really happened.

I have lots of doubts we will be provided information that clarifies anything, if recent history is any indicator...

[kersley]

I don't understand. I was taught that taking another life is wrong. False flag or not, this whole thing just makes me feel sick and I don't feel like i belong here. HELP....

[bennycog]

An update. they are linking the bombings in Boston with this now.. So they can band together the ones that will help them with war..


http://rt.com/news/cameron-london-woolwich-attack-678/


The Boston connection
OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier likened the attack in London to the Boston Marathon bombings that killed three people in April. He told RT that the attacks in London and Boston are a “new trend and a new threat that the international community is facing, and in fact in the OSCE we are now re-discussing security.”


“This calls for new kind of cooperation, new kind of strategy for the international community,” he added.
The Tsarnaev brothers, the suspected perpetrators of the Boston bombings, have not yet been linked to any larger terrorist organization and are believed to have acted independently. Both brothers had lived in the US for a number of years before carrying out the attack, which has come to be known as an act of home-grown terrorism.

While both attacks represent instances of isolated acts of domestic terror, the specific method used to carry out the south London attack has caused it to resonate on a level not generated by the Boston bombings, William Jacobson, a clinical professor of law at Cornell Law School, told RT.

“Obviously Boston caused a lot of injuries that were every bit as gruesome, but Boston was a more ‘traditional sort of attack’ with bombs, etc. The Boston bombers certainly had enough hatred in them [to carry out the attack]. They resorted to the more traditional, standoffish sort of terror," Jacobson said.


I think of [the journalist] Daniel Pearl being beheaded on video, I think of some of the other scenes we’ve seen in Syria. This really takes it to an entirely different level.”

On Thursday, US President Barack Obama offered his support to the UK, saying: "The United States stands resolute with the United Kingdom, our ally and friend, against violent extremism and terror."

"There can be absolutely no justification for such acts, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the victim, the police and security services responding to this horrific act and the communities they serve, and the British people."

[Nothingness]

Just in time to creat a big distraction from the Bilderberg gathering in England, and a good excuse to get heavy handed with the security.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303

In answer to your prediction, they are using it as a reason now for "allowing police and intelligence agencies to effectively monitor the communications of everyone in the country."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/british-ministers-call-for-mass-government-snooping-in-wake-of-woolich-attack.html

[Wind]

I don't understand. I was taught that taking another life is wrong. False flag or not, this whole thing just makes me feel sick and I don't feel like i belong here. HELP....

I understand your feelings, killing is insane. For far too long humanity has been on the road of violence and turmoil. It wasn't meant to be like this...

[Anchor]

So lets see...

A real person gets killed in a cowardly manner, in a graphic way that will ensure 100% worldwide press coverage
by two people who used a car to strike the disabling blow, then kitchen/butchery equipment to finish the job in a bloody way
two men who, by the way look to me in the photos to be high
and who get "given" 20 minutes of well documented and filmed air time to speak their message of fear to the world
and then when the (armed) police arrive, the killers make a suicide charge at the police and both get shot (non-fatally).

... and people don't think that this is in anyway some kind of planned/coordinated event?

Seriously?

IMO This was, like so many acts of violence of this ilk, just another PTB gambit that was allowed to happen.

So, like some politicians want to know and have asked in the earlier media reports, why did it take 20 minutes for the police to get there?

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

So i just watched a video of this again... is it me or does there look like no blood on his clothes?

[InCiDeR]

I think this video have pretty clear picture:

http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html#pbid=NDcyOWI0M2YyMDdkN2YwODU5Mzc5MDUz&ec=NsYnl0YjpAihnTQKlOXYP0AuMGHftw00&docUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rys2sense.com%2Fanti-neocons%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D114%26t%3D32067

For me the whole horrible event just seems very odd and strange.

It feels like a movie. MKUltra at play?

Is this the "new" type of events and media coverage that we will see in the future?

I mean, will the mainstream media be invited before the event next time?

Doing an interview with the perpetrator before he/she kill or bomb something?

The whole thing makes me feel sick...

[bennycog]

Being awake makes you feel very sick to the world INCIDER.
Just going to have to try keep positive for humanity mate because unfortunately it looks like us that needs to change it with our own thoughts and actions..

Do not have to walk around saying love, love, love. We need to say can you see? can you think by yourself without consulting the news or government or the superstars Hollywood..

[Billy]

Hmm... it is a bit strange that the witnesses mum sat beside the body to try and comfort him... how could you casually sit beside a headless body and still think he's alive and might need comfort? Or is it just me? I don't think I could even look at a decapitated body :(

The woman beside the dead soldier was praying for him.



the police were caught hiding around the corner while this was going on? what does that tell you? it seems they were waiting for the evil deed to be completed?eye witnesses have come forward and said they saw a crowd of police watching and waiting?it seems like a false flag to me?mind control, i wonder?

The police who arrived first were unarmed and ordered to hold back until armed police arrived.

Two murdering psychopaths brutally murdered a soldier in cold blood. Sometimes it is just that and not a conspiracy.

I pray for the soldiers soul, that it has clarity of what happened. And is able to journey on.

peace

[steveofengland]

A lot of the time shock and confusion plays a big part. Imagine the scene, it looked like a car accident, that's what most people thought who turned up after the event.
In one interview one woman went up to one of the murderers asking him what had happened and just didn't comprehend the knives in his bloody hands.
And the fact the the two culprits were calm and not running around like you would imagine a mad knife wielding murderer.
People were in shock.

[Taurean]

Looks like I wasn't too far off the mark ;-


British Ministers Call For Mass Government Snooping In Wake Of Woolwich Attack


Politicians never let a good crisis go to waste

http://www.prisonplanet.com/british-ministers-call-for-mass-government-snooping-in-wake-of-woolich-attack.html

[Water33/6]

No blood on his hands or knives until miraculously they glow red after 45 sec in video. Faked redenned hands, no blod on clothes. They're making it so obvious... But why ?

[BIG CAT]

I know what your saying donk, but more seems to be emerging by the day.
I guess we will have to wait and see.

[mahalall]

apologies for making light,
but sometimes one has to smile at the situation
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[BIG CAT]

they are already monitoring all our communications, GCHQ does it 24/7

[humanalien]

Did anyone actually see the bullet holes in the supposed murderers?

Did anyone actually see the hacked up body?

Why would a woman, who does not even know the victim, sit
down beside a headless corpse and begin praying for him?

[avid]

no screaming public - or have I missed lots of info - sorry...
Where is the normal hysteria? I still have issues with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfa3gXTqOH8&feature=player_embedded

[InCiDeR]

(...)
http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html#pbid=NDcyOWI0M2YyMDdkN2YwODU5Mzc5MDUz&ec=NsYnl0YjpAihnTQKlOXYP0AuMGHftw00&docUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rys2sense.com%2Fanti-neocons%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D114%26t%3D32067
(...)

I took some screenshot from the video I posted previously:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4165/londoncar.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/londoncar.jpg/)

Is it blood or oil beside the car?

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/9602/londonstreet.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/londonstreet.jpg/)

No blood here what I can see!

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5615/londonstreet2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/londonstreet2.jpg/)

Blood in front of the sign?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7018/londonman.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/londonman.jpg/)

The area of his belly has some soaked in blood? Lots of bystanders taking it pretty cool it seems...

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/460/londonman2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/londonman2.jpg/)

... but his legs seems to have dodged all blood...

[Padmé]

Would blood show up that colour on a dark grey wool jumper? Could he have just wiped his hands there? Great pics Incider :)

It seems they have changed their minds on the decapitated part of the story... I haven't seen a report where they've mentioned it since. Has anyone else?

[Bongo]

here is the video of the 2 of them getting shot

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

[Dorjezigzag]

The plot thickens?


Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect'

MI5 asked Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo if he wanted to work for them, a childhood friend has said.

Abu Nusaybah told BBC Two's Newsnight his friend had revealed to him six months ago that the security service had been "knocking on his door".

He said Mr Adebolajo told him he had turned down an offer to work for them. The BBC could not obtain any confirmation from Whitehall sources

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

[Ontarioguy]

Not sure what to think of this whole mess! So many unanswered questions it seems.

Thought I would add this link ....some well acted out drama.


Conjured up daily dose of "drama" ...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Y8WAgn1UQ

[norman]

The plot thickens?


Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect'

MI5 asked Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo if he wanted to work for them, a childhood friend has said.

Abu Nusaybah told BBC Two's Newsnight his friend had revealed to him six months ago that the security service had been "knocking on his door".

He said Mr Adebolajo told him he had turned down an offer to work for them. The BBC could not obtain any confirmation from Whitehall sourceshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468


If true, it's evidence of tampering.

In the interview, his friend also said he's been in custody in Kenya and had been through very rough time there where stuff was done to him that he couldn't even talk about to his good friend.

EDIT:

His friend was arrested by police at the BBC building soon after the interview.

[norman]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-suspect-michael-adebolajo-1909837


Why, oh why, do the papers convert an invitation to work for MI5 into being asked to 'spy' for them ?

How about an attempt to 'patsy' him, which may well be what they have done successfully.


EDIT:

A former school pal revealed Adebolajo liked James Bond video games.
He said: “Michael was as British as they come, but he’s obviously got mixed up in the wrong crowd.




Yea, damn right he has..... I wonder what crowd that could be?

[Sabrina]

http://www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/woolwich-false-flag-inside-job-fake.html

24 May

WOOLWICH: FALSE FLAG: INSIDE JOB: FAKE

story at link

[mrchunkytown]

personally i think this whole thing stinks of MKultra. same with the colorado shooting, perfectly normal guys all of a sudden become homicidal lunatics attacking a random soldier in the street? and the no blood thing is still fishy as well, i cant see any blood on the man anywhere but his hands, and if ur hacking somebody to death with a meat cleaver you're gona be covered in blood. the facts speak for themselves...

[norman]

I just googled the original headline I almost used exactly ( I added 'London' ) for this thread title. It comes up on the 3rd page of listings ( for me ).

If you all google the thread title ( without the "(London)" bit and go to the listing for this thread - and click on it, it might work it's way up to the top of the search listing before the headline gets too out of date.

An alternative could be for one of you to start a new thread using an exact headline from the mainstream media and then for us to keep that thread solid with proper alternative news and links. The first few pages of this thread are likely to 'lose' most casual news surfers. It's just starting to get interesting !

[InCiDeR]

...ok... wait for it...

Woolwich attack: Fanatic Michael Adebolajo listened to chilling tape to prepare for death
Adebolajo listened to Journey of the Soul after Death, possibly expecting to be killed after Lee’s grisly murder
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1909531.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Inside-Michael-Adebolajos-Peugeot-106-parked-outside-his-house-in-Romford-1909531.jpg


One of the fanatics accused of butchering Drummer Lee Rigby played a chilling tape in his car to prepare himself for death.

Michael Adebolajo listened to Journey of the Soul after Death, possibly expecting to be killed after Lee’s grisly murder.

The tape was inside a battered orange Peugeot 106 Adebolajo had desperately been trying to sell for as little as £125 in the days leading up to the attack.

He was shot by officers after the atrocity in Woolwich but survived.

He and fellow suspect Michael Adebowale were in a stable condition under armed guard in hospital last night. A 29-year-old man was also being quizzed over conspiracy to commit murder.

Journey of the Soul after Death is available on Islamic websites for £4.

It is said to be a “detailed account of the different stages of the journey of the soul in light of the Quran”.

“Particular reference is made to one’s worldly actions and the eternal destination of the hereafter,” the tape’s online description adds.(...)
Source/read more (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-fanatic-michael-adebolajo-1910069)

So, when will they come after us?

Because this kind of literature will most definitely transform us into perpetrators.

I am glad they pointed that out in the article, so I am prepered next time I go into a book store and will not be surprised when police arrives to arrest me.

By the way, they choose wisely when they picked the photo of an old girlfriend to show in the article. They didn't have any other to choose?

[norman]

Yup, the way they push ahead here in the UK is a different track to the way they push ahead in the US.

In the US, for the time being, it's about grabbing the personal weapons.

This UK trickery is looking more like they are surging ahead with the general global sheep roundup.

[InCiDeR]

Radical preacher claims to know Woolwich attacker


LONDON: A radical Islamist preacher has now been identified who is believed to have brainwashed Britain's most hated man this moment—Michael Adebolajo.

Photographs and videos have been found showing Adebolajo taking part in Islamic rallies by Anjem Choudary, former head of the banned Islamist organisation Al Muhajiroun.

Adebolajo beheaded British soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich on Wednesday in broad daylight.

After committing the crime, Adebolajo made chilling rants. He said, "Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers. Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace".

On Friday, Choudary actually came out to praise Adebolajo's views. Choudary said he was shocked with the incident but "I think not many Muslims can disagree with".

Choudary added "I last met Adebolajo two years ago. What he said explains what he did. Not many Muslims will disagree with what he said about British foreign policy. One man killed on the street does not equate to millions killed by British and American forces in Muslin countries everyday."

A neighbour in the Greenwich apartment said: "All of us neighbours are very shocked. His mother is a lovely woman and we feel so sorry for her. The other guy was often around here too. He was very quiet and when I said 'Hello' he hardly acknowledged me."

"His mother is such a hard worker—this is terrible."

Adebolajo was devoutly Christian but moved to Lincolnshire because his family feared he was taking too much interest in Islam and may become radicalised since the age of 16.

Meanwhile, another radical cleric banned in UK spoke out in support of Adebolajo.

Omar Bakri Mohammed spoke from Beirut and shockingly said "Under Islam this can be justified, he was not targeting civilians, he was taking on a military man in an operation. To people around here (in the Middle East) he is a hero."

According to the cleric, who now lives in exile in Lebanon, he owned a stall in London which Adebolajo would visit.

The pair would talk about the 'meaning of life' and Adebolajo began attending open talks and meetings.

In an interview with British media, Bakri said "God destined for him to carry out the attack and God destined for the British soldier to die for the cause he believed in. Muslims in Lebanon are proud of it."
Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Radical-preacher-claims-to-know-Woolwich-attacker/articleshow/20255679.cms)

...yeps, the muslim card again. You are brainwashed when you convert to islam, wonder what they had said if it was the other way around...

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

The calmness of the public is because it's (LONDON) yes the type of place that if there is a body in a street and a bit of a fuss you don't stop and stare. You just move on. If your the type to intervene then you'll do so at a calm state because there's danger involved. You have to be an opposite energy to try and suss out whats going on..

For one, the man is raving about something... it could of been anything. If I was passing and heard him raving I'd stop with hands in pockets and listen to what he has to say whilst observing the whole scenario. The guy on the floor could of had a gun and well the list is never ending.. of course once I'd heard him talking about Islam and so fourth I would of pretty much sussed him out.

If a guy is talking to a camera and waving a knife but mainly trying to get his word out and a woman was coming on the same path.. the worst thing you could do is intervene as there is more chance of her just passing because she's not involved and his head is focused on his words.. if someone had yelled at her he would of spun around and she would of freaked and then something could of happened.

Anyway the reasons behind the whole scenario is sickening to say the least. What a waste on both sides of this story.

[gigha]

Great perspective SKI..

Kind of reminds me of my high school.

Yes sickening and disgusting.


The calmness of the public is because it's (LONDON) yes the type of place that if there is a body in a street and a bit of a fuss you don't stop and stare. You just move on. If your the type to intervene then you'll do so at a calm state because there's danger involved. You have to be an opposite energy to try and suss out whats going on..

For one, the man is raving about something... it could of been anything. If I was passing and heard him raving I'd stop with hands in pockets and listen to what he has to say whilst observing the whole scenario. The guy on the floor could of had a gun and well the list is never ending.. of course once I'd heard him talking about Islam and so fourth I would of pretty much sussed him out.

If a guy is talking to a camera and waving a knife but mainly trying to get his word out and a woman was coming on the same path.. the worst thing you could do is intervene as there is more chance of her just passing because she's not involved and his head is focused on his words.. if someone had yelled at her he would of spun around and she would of freaked and then something could of happened.

Anyway the reasons behind the whole scenario is sickening to say the least. What a waste on both sides of this story.

[Water33/6]

personally i think this whole thing stinks of MKultra. same with the colorado shooting, perfectly normal guys all of a sudden become homicidal lunatics attacking a random soldier in the street? and the no blood thing is still fishy as well, i cant see any blood on the man anywhere but his hands, and if ur hacking somebody to death with a meat cleaver you're gona be covered in blood. the facts speak for themselves...

If you look carefully, there's NO BLOOD on his hands. That red tint was put on his hands by computer after the video was made. You can see there is no blood at the beginning of the video on his hands.

[bennycog]

All these latest moves are showing the signs of the manipulation from government entities. such as the CIA and MI5
Why do these government entities keep popping up behind any and all news.. Even Castro who was charged with kidnapping and keeping those 3 women..
Too suss to me.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/05/25/03/50/uk-spies-face-pressure-over-soldier-murder

Abu Nusaybah told BBC television on Friday that Adebolajo was asked by the MI5 domestic intelligence agency if he wanted to work for them.
He said Adebolajo had snubbed their approach.
The BBC said Abu Nusaybah was promptly arrested on their premises after giving the interview.


http://deadlinelive.info/2013/05/12/ohio-kidnappings-ariel-castros-childhood-friend-he-said-he-was-in-the-cia/

“And – you’re going to laugh – he said he was in the CIA. And I don’t know if he was joking or not, but it’s the way he said it, how serious he said it. I didn’t know what he was capable of. That just put me on defense, and I just started stepping away.” – Joe Popow

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/05/02/bombshell-fbi-whistleblower-reveals-cia-ran-the-boston-bombers-2/

In the last few days details ties between Boston Bombers Uncle Ruslan and former top CIA official Graham Fuller have been revealed by the alternative media.

In an attempt to do damage control the corporate media acknowledged the ties and downplayed the links.

But now FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds who is familiar with Graham Fuller’s involvement in backing terrorist operations overseas has stepped forward with new details about Fuller.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/boston-bombers-cia-connection-and.html

The uncle of Boston's two Tsarnaev brothers worked for the CIA-front organisation called USAID.

[gigha]

Yea bennycog it all starts to smell.

I hope we can find the answer before it is too late.
peace

[Sabrina]

The plot thickens?


Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect'

MI5 asked Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo if he wanted to work for them, a childhood friend has said.

Abu Nusaybah told BBC Two's Newsnight his friend had revealed to him six months ago that the security service had been "knocking on his door".

He said Mr Adebolajo told him he had turned down an offer to work for them. The BBC could not obtain any confirmation from Whitehall sources

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/25/woolwich-suspect-kenya-torture

25 May

Woolwich suspect's friend arrested after appearing on Newsnight

Man detained after claiming on television that Michael Adebolajo was tortured in Kenya and harassed by MI5 agents

A friend of one of the suspected killers of a soldier butchered in a London street was arrested by counter-terrorism officers yesterday after going on television to allege that Michael Adebolajo was tortured in Kenya and harassed by MI5 – who asked him to spy for them.

The allegations came from Abu Nusaybah, who was arrested under terrorism legislation minutes after finishing recording his interview for BBC Newsnight.

The Guardian understands that Nusaybah is connected to extremists formerly in the banned group al-Muhajiroun. Counter-terrorism officers turned up at reception at the BBC's central London headquarters as his interview was being recorded an hour before it was broadcast. The officers waited, then arrested Nusaybah as he left the BBC's headquarters.

In the interview, Abu Nusaybah in part attributed Adebolajo's radicalisation to his alleged ill-treatment in Kenya.

Nusaybah alleged that Adebolajo was arrested while studying in a village in Kenya last year. After refusing to answer questions, Adebolajo was told that he was "not in the UK" and was then, he claimed, sexually assaulted. On his return, "he became more reclined [sic], less talkative. He wasn't his bubbly self," said Nusaybah, who said that the experience further radicalised Adebolajo.

The Guardian has learned that, last year, Adebolajo went to a lawyer to complain of harassment by MI5, who are drawing criticism today for knowing about the 28-year-old but not assessing him to be a bigger terrorist threat.

He was arrested at the scene of the soldier's murder in Woolwich on Wednesday in the first terror-related death on mainland Britain since the 7 July 2005 bombings.

The Guardian also understands from Whitehall sources that they were aware that Adebolajo was detained in Kenya before being deported.

Nusaybah said he had known Adebolajo since they grew up together in Romford, Essex.

Since the attack on the soldier, Lee Rigby, on Wednesday, a total of six people have been arrested. Nusaybah's was the first under counter-terrorism laws; the rest have been detained under regular criminal laws. Nusaybah was arrested on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism under the Terrorism Act 2000.

Asked about the unusual sequence of events leading to the arrest, the Metropolitan police said: "He was not arrested because of his comments on Newsnight."

The police would not say what led to his arrest, which BBC insiders said had left them shocked. Police also said he was not arrested in connection to the murder of Lee Rigby. Nusaybah's home is understood to be one of two addresses in east London being searched by officers after his arrest.

In the interview, Abu Nusaybah described how the two men became friends after meeting in Romford in 2002, before both had converted to Islam. "I used to go there to chill out with friends," he said. "One day we bumped into each other. You didn't see a lot of black guys down there, so we talked and swapped numbers." The two men converted to Islam independently in 2004. "I came into Islam in 2004 and he came in four months later," Nusaybah said.

He also confirmed that Adebolajo frequented meetings of the now-banned al-Muhajiroun group, where he listened to the preachings of extremist clerics. "He attended some of their activities, but he was an independent guy. He would float about," Nusaybah said.

Adebolajo did not want to see sharia law imposed in Britain, but thought it more sensible for someone like him to go and live in a Muslim country, according to the interviewee. "He wanted to be qualified to teach and to do fitness training. He could use that to go abroad and live in a Muslim country."

Abu Nusaybah said that he believed that Adebolajo became radicalised about six months ago. He said he saw profound changes in Adebolajo's character at that time, which he attributed to his experiences in Kenya and to events on his return to Britain. "I believe that certain events that happened to him recently had an impact in shaping the changes. He became more reclined [sic], less talkative. He wasn't his bubbly self," he said.

Adebolajo had told Nusaybah how he had gone to study in a village in Kenya when he and others were rounded up by the Kenyan army. When he was interrogated, he refused to speak. "They told him, 'You are not in the UK now.' They took his private parts and said, 'We will F you.' He told me he was physically assaulted and sexually threatened. If you looked at his face, he was holding back tears," Nusaybah said.

When Adebolajo returned to England, he was interviewed by MI5 officers and, according to Nusaybah, was planning to leave again to live in a Muslim country. "His whole concept was he wanted to live in a Muslim land because at the time he was being harassed by MI5.

"They were knocking and knocking on his door. He pretended not to be there, but then he spoke to the agent. They said, 'We just want to speak to you.' They wanted to ask him if he knew certain people," he said.

"But after him saying that he didn't know these individuals, he said they asked him if he would be interested in working for them. He was explicit in that he refused to work for them but he did confirm he didn't know the individuals."

"His word was, 'They are bugging me,'" said Nusaybah.

In a statement about the arrest, Scotland Yard said: "At around 2130 hours on Friday 24 May, a 31-year-old man was arrested in London by officers from the MPS Counter-Terrorism Command on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism under the Terrorism Act 2000. The man has been taken to a south London police station, where he remains in custody. Search warrants are being executed at two residential addresses in east London."

and

BBC TV News interview this morning with police commander heavily directed to the dangers of internet and social media on promoting dissident messages. Coalition leader Nick Clegg talking about internet curbs again... what's that old 'problem/action/solution saying ? :)

[Sabrina]

http://www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/woolwich-terrorists-brainwashed-by-mi5.html

25 May

'WOOLWICH TERRORISTS BRAINWASHED BY MI5'

The alleged 'Woolwich terrorist', Michael Adebolajo, was under the influence of MI5.

It would appear that MI5 used torture to try to force Michael to become one of their agents.

Speaking on the BBC Newsnight programme, a friend of Michael Adebolajo "said that Michael was tortured and harassed by MI5 - who asked him to spy for them."

Woolwich suspect's friend arrested after appearing on Newsnight / Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect'

(OSAMA BIN LADEN, while living in Wembley, was reportedly a guest of MI6 in 1996.)

Michael's friend, Abu Nusaybah, was arrested under terrorism legislation minutes after acting as a 'whistleblower' on the BBC.

Abu Nusaybah says that Michael, while studying in a village in Kenya in 2012, was arrested and then sexually assaulted.

According to The Guardian, in 2012 Michael went to a lawyer to complain of harassment by MI5.

Michael Adebowale, the second Woolwich 'terrorist', is suspected of having been brainwashed by MI5 while in Feltham young offender institution.

Other people mind-controlled by MI5 in the Feltham young offender institution are thought to include Richard Reid and Jermaine Grant.

Richard Reid pretended to try to blow up a plane with a 'shoe bomb' and Jermaine Grant is currently being held in Kenya charged with terrorist offences.

Adebowale's mother Juliet worked as a probation officer.

Adebowale had briefly appeared on TV as part of Jamie Oliver’s School Dinners series.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/MI5's mind control prison

Do MI5 and MI6 torture children?

MI5 and MI6 are said to have been involved in organising child abuse at the Kincora and Bryn Estyn children's homes in the UK.

Reportedly, the former head of Britain's MI6, Sir Maurice Oldfield, was observed by his Special Branch guards making use of boys from the Kincora children's home. (The troubles: Google Books Result)

Allegedly, Oldfield shared boys with Sir Anthony Blunt, several bishops, and an archbishop. (Cached)

full story and pix at the link

[Poly Hedra]

This is shocking but these two stories in the last two posts are totally different.
1. He was physically assuaulted and threatened with sexual violence
2 he was sexually assaulted
1 tortured and harassed by Kenyan army
2 tortured and harassed by MI5

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Just says it all really... Approached by MI5, radicalised and boom. A poor guy is hacked to death.
God I can't wait to get out of here. (once I've done my thing)


Update
Do you think his friend was arrested to shut him up? It's obvious I suppose.
It also sheds some light on the background of every other attack commited and the conclusion that they were also possibly controlled. For people here it's a foregone conclusion, myself included.
I hope this plants a seed in the minds of the public when they think about the possibility of the government being a lot more nefarious than they ever thought.

[Sabrina]

This is shocking but these two stories in the last two posts are totally different.
1. He was physically assuaulted and threatened with sexual violence
2 he was sexually assaulted
1 tortured and harassed by Kenyan army
2 tortured and harassed by MI5

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Just says it all really... Approached by MI5, radicalised and boom. A poor guy is hacked to death.
God I can't wait to get out of here. (once I've done my thing)


Update
Do you think his friend was arrested to shut him up? It's obvious I suppose.
It also sheds some light on the background of every other attack commited and the conclusion that they were also possibly controlled. For people here it's a foregone conclusion, myself included.
I hope this plants a seed in the minds of the public when they think about the possibility of the government being a lot more nefarious than they ever thought.


It's strange isn't it Conec. The BBC seems heavily controlled, but Newsnight put this story out after saying they had received some intelligence. It does cause all sorts of questions about how the alleged killers have been influenced. Yes might make more of the people sit up and wonder about it all.

Are there wheels within wheels and some white hats trying to get some of the truth out?? This was suggest re: the Sandy Hook and Boston events.

Have just found a clip of 'Family Guy' just before the Oklahoma tornado with all sorts of heavy hits.

Wonder if there are any print/film/TV hints of this London event?

Hope you are doing OK in these 'interesting' times! Sab :)

[kesom]

Claims emerge one of the Woolwich terror suspects had been asked to work for MI5, from a man who is later arrested at the BBC.............

source: SKY NEWS (http://news.sky.com/story/1095401/woolwich-terror-suspect-friend-arrested)

Nusaybah said in his television interview that he thought Adebolajo had undergone a "change" following his detention by security forces on a 2012 trip to Kenya.

He said Adebolajo suggested he had been physically and sexually abused while he was interrogated in the African country, and after this he became withdrawn and "less talkative - he wasn't his usual bubbly self"

Nusaybah said Adebolajo told him that when he returned to the UK he was "followed by MI5" who were "knocking on his door" - a claim that is unverified by Whitehall.

Nusaybah said: "His wording was, 'They are bugging me - they won't leave me alone.'

"He mentioned initially they wanted to ask him if he knew certain individuals.

"But after him saying that he didn't know these individuals, what he said was they asked him if he would be interested in working for them.............................

MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE ???????????????????????????????????????????

[mahalall]

On review of the trauma scene, we are lead to believe that the victim was hacked to death. Such injuries would have resulted in considerable blood loss through arterial trauma. The images of the scene do not support the severity of the stated injuries.

Anyone with the basic understanding of trauma scenes would recognise this. (apologies for the lack of professionalism of the trainees)
5Ai3kupUHGc

[apollo41]

THIS WAS A BIG TIME FALSE FLAG OPERATION? CHECK OUT THIS LINK..

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/woolwich-false-flag-inside-job-fake.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/woolrich-london-killing-terrorism-or-false-flag/5336203
CMON WAKEY WAKEY..

[Sabrina]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59357-Man-dead-in-suspected-Woolwich--London--terror-attack/page6

Thread on it here as well. :)...

[Ouroboros]

I wouldn't be entirely suprised if it turned out he was working for MI5. Although he may not have been aware of it.

There seems to be a lot of racial agitation going on in the UK at the moment and the media are having a field day with it

[Wind]

Not surprising at all.

[Taurean]

Here we go, lets start stoking the fires for the Bilderberg Conference !


Woolwich murder sparks anti-Muslim backlash


There has been a large increase in anti-Muslim incidents since the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich, an inter-faith charity has said.

Faith Matters, which runs a helpline, said they had received 162 calls since Wednesday's attack, up from a daily average of six.

A number of people have been charged after allegedly offensive comments were made on social media websites

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664835

Must be some pretty good tech they've got to be able to pinpoint where a comment eminates from.

[ThePythonicCow]

Claims emerge one of the Woolwich terror suspects had been asked to work for MI5, from a man who is later arrested at the BBC.............


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59357-Man-dead-in-suspected-Woolwich--London--terror-attack/page6

Thread on it here as well. :)...

Thanks - threads merged :).

[Anchor]

On review of the trauma scene, we are lead to believe that the victim was hacked to death. Such injuries would have resulted in considerable blood loss through arterial trauma. The images of the scene do not support the severity of the stated injuries.

@mahalall:

Perhaps you are overlooking that the victim was dragged out into the road after he was attacked with the cleaver. Once he was in the road, I have assumed he was dead (heart stopped and blood not under pressure). All the spray would have been at the car where he was originally attacked and where they tried to cut his head off.

[Sabrina]

http://www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/woolwich-suspect-protected-by-mi5.html

26 May

WOOLWICH SUSPECT 'PROTECTED BY MI5'


Michael Adebolajo, one of the alleged 'Woolwich terrorists', is reported to have become a father just days before the Woolwich attack.

www.mirror.co.uk
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-murder-suspects-michael-1912365#ixzz2UNWdzkz8

In 2010, Michael Adebolajo may have been sent by the UK security services to work for al Qaeda in Somalia.

(Al Qaeda is now being used to try to topple President Assad of Syria)

Reportedly, Michael Adebolajo was among a group arrested in Kenya en route to Somalia in 2010.

Michael Adebolajo was arrested in Kenya under suspicion of being at the centre of a CIA-al-Qaeda-inspired plot in 2010.

MI5 'tried to recruit' Woolwich attack suspect Michael Adebolajo

He was one of seven people, which included two secondary-school boys, arrested by Kenyan police in November 2010.

7/7 London Bombs mastermind Aswat (right) reportedly worked for MI6. London Bombs - unanswered questions
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2006/05/london-bombs-unanswered-questions.html

The Kenyan press reported that Michael Adebolajo was "suspected of masterminding the racket".

Michael Adebolajo appears to have had the backing of the UK government because he was deported back to Britain without charge.

After returning from Kenya, members of his family said he was constantly in contact with MI5 agents.

Adel Abdul Majid was implicated in the 1981 assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat (above). In 1991, he fled to Britain and immediately was granted political asylum. Terrorists working for MI6
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2006/02/terrorists-working-for-mi6.html

BBC Newsnight may have been used to create disinformation on the MI5 connection.

'A friend of Michael Adebolajo' told the BBC that MI5 had attempted to recruit Michael Adebolajo six months ago.

It is more likely that Michael Adebolajo had been an asset of MI5 for many years.

When Michael Adebolajo was arrested in kenya, his family had been told by the Kenyan authorities that he would be hanged or beheaded.

But he was freed to return to Britain.

"The decision has raised questions over official involvement in Mr Adebolajo's release – and the true extent of his connections with the intelligence services since he returned home to the UK."

Aimee West is reported to be Lee Rigby's mistress.

A friend of Aimee West, a Royal Military Policewoman, told the Sunday Mirror:

"They met about two years ago and he proposed to her recently. I don’t think she will ever take that ring off.

The father of the alleged 'Woolwich terrorist' Michael Adebowale is a diplomat.

He works for the Nigerian High Commission and lives in a flat just yards from Holloway prison.

The mother Juliet Obasuyi was a probation officer.

"He was a young loving boy, quiet," says Damilola Taylor's father who mentored Adebowale
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j-fN9UZAOzFv7fqZjq_tGNq-cQYA?docId=CNG.26cca045d911d64d66269c72328f270e.7a1

Anders Breivik was the son of a diplomat and was a loving boy.

The security services often choose people like Adebowale and Breivik to become their mind-controlled patsies.

Steve Adebiyi said of his friend Michael Adebowale: 'They brainwashed him.'

http://www.dailymail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330795/Michael-Adebowale-Mother-Woolwich-murder-suspect-battled-turn-extremism.html#ixzz2UNVJFlX2

[Star Tsar]

Hey Dolls & Guys

Here is the latest truth frequency radio with Christopher Everard's take on events.
I am only 10 minutes into listening to this

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/shakespeare-in-woolwich-with-christopher-everard/

[norman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-22685866


Ex-soldiers in court over Grimsby mosque attack

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67830000/jpg/_67830538_mosque.jpg The mosque was targeted twice in a week
Two former soldiers have appeared in court after a mosque was attacked in Grimsby.
The Islamic Cultural Centre was targeted on Sunday while a meeting was taking place inside. Nobody was injured during the incident.
Stuart Harness, 33, and Gavin Humphries, 37, both of Dixon Avenue, Grimsby, were charged with arson with intent to endanger life.
They were both remanded in custody at the town's magistrates' court.
Both men are due to appear at Grimsby Crown Court on 7 June.
It was the second time the centre on Weelsby Road had been targeted in a week.
Eleven teenagers, aged 16 and 17, were arrested after the mosque and some parked cars were attacked on Thursday.
Humberside Police said five of those had been released without charge while the others had been released on bail while inquiries continue.

[steveofengland]

Grimsby is where I live. I heard about this attack. I fear things will escalate here in the uk regarding attacks on Muslims.
In my job I have to travel around the UK. And there are certain cities where Muslim communities are the majority. I'm almost fearful to be in places like that.

[Gardener]

After the 7/7 tube incidents the main stream media were saying "oh this could start race riots, reprisals etc add nausium, for about a week; nothing happened, communities became more aware of each other and the media induced 'reprisals' were neutralised.

They are trying it again..................unfortunatly 'some' weak minded suggestible individuals will fall in with the suggestion.

[Soulboy]

oh this could start race riots, reprisals etc add nausium, for about a week; nothing happened, communities became more aware of each other and the media induced 'reprisals' were neutralised.

OR this could happen: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/27/york-mosque-protest-tea-biscuits

Love it when incitement to racial or religious hatred backfires and the old 'divide and conquer' becomes too transparent for people to still follow this route anymore

On another note: Has anybody heard of this?

http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/behind-every-man-is-a-women-unbelievable-evil-satanic-manipulation-of-world-politicians/