Does every soul have the same goal?!

[InCiDeR]

I've been pondered about this question as of late.

For millenium we have been arguing about which tools to use to reach the top of the mountain. Some find comfort in the buddist way, others in christianity, and yet others in islam or any other spiritual way.

Here at Avalon there have been discussions whether our soul are controlled by others or not, how to break free and reach our potential. Should we go into the light after dead or not. Is "next levels" controlled by benevolent or malevolent beings etc etc.

What if "the source" just is?

Neither loving or not loving, and what we feel it emits depends on our souls vibration and purpose. Like a tune, in some it will awake love feelings, in others it will awake feelings of fear or discomfort. Still "the source" is the same.

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However, we all often agree upon what our souls "end goal" is, namely oneness! Our soul arrives back to the original source.

Is it our "end goal"?

Within infinite universes and dimensions with endless possibilities, would it not be a possibility that every soul has its own unique goal?

Meaning, not just here in our 3D world, but also in every layer/density/vibration beyond that.... and therefore also have a unique "end goal" different from everyone else?!


Thoughts?!

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In eternity with peace

InCiDeR

[naste.de.lumina]

InCiDeR friend.
You raise an interesting question.
I will briefly describe what I feel about your question.
'Does every soul have The Same goal?'

Yes, but having a unique way of experiments.
I believe that we are part of a higher consciousness that created several
different models (dimensions), different situations within each of these dimensions (galaxies, solar systems of various ways and levels), various endeavors insides of each of these paradigms, so that my evolution, although at the end and find their of all possible a unique wealth of experience.
So this consciousness can experience higher trillion trillion trillion quadrillion unique situations conciênciais evolutionary possibility.
Imagine for a moment the grandeur, beauty, clarity, love this consciousness, which in the end also we are.
I do not know if I was clear.
Good talking to you my brother.

[Sunny-side-up]

Good question InCiDeR, it will be V-Interesting to see members answers/ideas/views !

Myself is to just ascend and see the truth of my journey, your journey, our journey, the journey!

When my time comes do I go to the light? What if i'm offered an instant return ticket I.E not to go into the light? well that would be sorted at that time (Time? Hmm!) If I have the option not to it will be my higher self saying no, I still believe in my higher self.

By accident I've nearly gone over at least twice now or very near and by special breathing exercises (nearly gone at least 3 more times lol) I've put myself at the entrance to the tunnel of light and looked deeply down it seeing it for what it is from a static view point (not blasting along it seeing it as just the light), but I didn't go again! I came back and have damages for my troubles. These damages and pains I've lived with and I think have saved me and put me on a better path/consciousness, opened my mind. Damages/injury's changed my path from the one I was on, so I suppose I jumped reality's ha (3 times by design, I didn't chose to jump along the tunnel and be reincarnated in a better life, I just came back! Good choice or not Hmm?). good I think because the experiences have added to this consciousness, I'm still aware of it all. to have jumped I think I would have lost the justified path, the me in this possibility.

All I know is our so called reality is not reality as it should be, it is a trap we have self fortified, until that is we start seeing the truth and open our door.
I do think we where put in the trap and it is our finale ability to escape no matter what is why we are so desired by the trappers.
Each one of us as individuals are one of the endless possibilities, that is until we all start to join the same possibility/path which has the door at it's end.

Late night ramblings Doh. hope I made some personal sense.

Very well said naste.de.lumina :wizard:

[InCiDeR]

InCiDeR friend.
You raise an interesting question.
I will briefly describe what I feel about your question.
'Does every soul have The Same goal?'

Yes, but having a unique way of experiments.
I believe that we are part of a higher consciousness that created several
different models (dimensions), different situations within each of these dimensions (galaxies, solar systems of various ways and levels), various endeavors insides of each of these paradigms, so that my evolution, although at the end and find their of all possible a unique wealth of experience.
So this consciousness can experience higher trillion trillion trillion quadrillion unique situations conciênciais evolutionary possibility.
Imagine for a moment the grandeur, beauty, clarity, love this consciousness, which in the end also we are.
I do not know if I was clear.
Good talking to you my brother.

Thank you for your reply my friend, I appreciate that you share your thoughts.

I also think that we all have different paths and that we once belonged to same source that split up for the reason to experience itself. But that doesn't mean that it is necessarily so that our souls have the same "end goal".

May I ask how you came to the conclusion that all souls have same goal? If you don't mind, that is.

Is it a feeling inside you that "just know" or is it a conclusion you draw by your experience here on spaceship earth.... or maybe a conclusion you draw with help of others, like literature, spiritual guides etc.

Is it possible to trust our own feelings, considering how easy they are to manipulate?

I am a very curious spirit, I know... ;)

[Freed Fox]

Thank you Incider, for truly thinking outside the box. Most people admit or postulate that there are individual pathways in spiritual development, but I don't believe I've heard anyone suggest that there are individual 'final' destinations.

I have experienced what I believe to be Source, or at least traces of it. That profound oneness... an incredible, boundless love. I can see how this might be the pinnacle of spiritual evolution, but I do not seek to reside in that place (at least, not yet). That may mean that I am not ready to reach such a state of existence... I'm not sure. What I do know is that there are a number of other physical incarnations which I can imagine that I would like to experience first.

Based on the immense size of our universe (and the potentiality of multiple universes/dimensions), I think that those physical realities must exist somewhere out there, in some space and time.

I do not pretend to know the very nature of this reality, however, nor the reason for or purpose of my current incarnation. Two popular models of thinking are that of the 'school', and that of the 'prison'. Depending on what I choose to focus upon, I can fit my life now into either paradigm. For a long while this seemed to me to be much more like a prison... there is suffering which I've faced that made it feel that way. I've reached a point now wherein I can overcome, and it makes me wonder if that was part of the lesson plan all along.

The 'prison' paradigm seems like the negative one, but I think (especially in the U.S.) we have a skewed conception of what prison is. The true purpose of a prison is not really punishment, or retribution. It is for rehabilitation. If this was about punishment, everyone's lives would be entirely comprised of suffering. If this was a truly unjust situation, there would be no pleasures to be found. It becomes somewhat arrogant, or narcissistic to assume that the jailors are evil and we are all the victims here. We have a limited perspective, no matter how much we expand our consciousness. Thus, for all we know, the conditions we find ourselves in could all be necessary and purposeful to our rehabilitation/redemption/evolution/progression.

The physics and dynamics of this world are so vastly complex (read: particle physics, quantum physics...any field of science which, really, are not guaranteed to be 100% accurate), it seems that for one of us to declare the absolute truth of reality or ascertain the purpose of all life is an impossible task. We are greatly limited in what we can perceive, let alone what we can deduce. There are certain models of reality and theories of life which I am drawn toward, but I still take absolutely everything with a grain of salt and allow change and revision to every view I hold.

At the end of the day, it is the heart which is the most trustworthy compass. It seems to be, in a sense, something like 'the brain of the soul'. If one disagrees with this premise - that being heart-centered is ultimately for the best - they most likely have not yet practiced this in their own lives in earnest enough to find it to be true. And, importantly, being heart-centered is not at a total dismissal of the intellect. There is a certain balance which is ideal. It is not 50/50, but more like 70/30 (though, I'm not entirely sure what ratio is truly ideal, exactly). If you go too much with the heart, you will end up trusting that everyone else around you is living up to the same ideal as you are exemplifying. This is itself ideal, but not yet realistic unfortunately. There are (again, unfortunately) psychopaths and sociopaths out there, and that's where the 30%-or-so intellect comes into play.

Many challenges here, regardless of your individual circumstances or walk in life. Too much of a learning environment, in my mind, to warrant descriptions of some hellish limbo within which we are hopelessly trapped.

[InCiDeR]

Good question InCiDeR, it will be V-Interesting to see members answers/ideas/views !

Myself is to just ascend and see the truth of my journey, your journey, our journey, the journey!

When my time comes do I go to the light? What if i'm offered an instant return ticket I.E not to go into the light? well that would be sorted at that time (Time? Hmm!) If I have the option not to it will be my higher self saying no, I still believe in my higher self.

By accident I've nearly gone over at least twice now or very near and by special breathing exercises (nearly gone at least 3 more times lol) I've put myself at the entrance to the tunnel of light and looked deeply down it seeing it for what it is from a static view point (not blasting along it seeing it as just the light), but I didn't go again! I came back and have damages for my troubles. These damages and pains I've lived with and I think have saved me and put me on a better path/consciousness, opened my mind. Damages/injury's changed my path from the one I was on, so I suppose I jumped reality's ha (3 times by design, I didn't chose to jump along the tunnel and be reincarnated in a better life, I just came back! Good choice or not Hmm?). good I think because the experiences have added to this consciousness, I'm still aware of it all. to have jumped I think I would have lost the justified path, the me in this possibility.

All I know is our so called reality is not reality as it should be, it is a trap we have self fortified, until that is we start seeing the truth and open our door.
I do think we where put in the trap and it is our finale ability to escape no matter what is why we are so desired by the trappers.
Each one of us as individuals are one of the endless possibilities, that is until we all start to join the same possibility/path which has the door at it's end.

Late night ramblings Doh. hope I made some personal sense.

Very well said naste.de.lumina :wizard:

Thank you Sunny-side-up for sharing your experiencies and thoughts. I am glad that you chose (!) to be here at this time.

You talk about reality. What is that? I suppose there has to be something called reality otherwise I wouldn't be here writing this message. Maybe the reality is different for every layer as well? This 3D world is just one of them?

Any thoughts about this that you would like to share?

[naste.de.lumina]

InCiDeR friend.
You raise an interesting question.
I will briefly describe what I feel about your question.
'Does every soul have The Same goal?'

Yes, but having a unique way of experiments.
I believe that we are part of a higher consciousness that created several
different models (dimensions), different situations within each of these dimensions (galaxies, solar systems of various ways and levels), various endeavors insides of each of these paradigms, so that my evolution, although at the end and find their of all possible a unique wealth of experience.
So this consciousness can experience higher trillion trillion trillion quadrillion unique situations conciênciais evolutionary possibility.
Imagine for a moment the grandeur, beauty, clarity, love this consciousness, which in the end also we are.
I do not know if I was clear.
Good talking to you my brother.

Thank you for your reply my friend, I appreciate that you share your thoughts.

I also think that we all have different paths and that we once belonged to same source that split up for the reason to experience itself. But that doesn't mean that it is necessarily so that our souls have the same "end goal".

May I ask how you came to the conclusion that all souls have same goal? If you don't mind, that is.

Is it a feeling inside you that "just know" or is it a conclusion you draw by your experience here on spaceship earth.... or maybe a conclusion you draw with help of others, like literature, spiritual guides etc.

Is it possible to trust our own feelings, considering how easy they are to manipulate?

I am a very curious spirit, I know... ;)

My dear friend.
It is a pleasure for me to share ideas, thoughts, feelings and insights with people like you and Avalon forum members in general.
When I say the ultimate goal is to share back with the source again.
That does not mean she has to wait my turn to receive my contribution experiences.
So 'ultimate goal = return to source'. And I believe that this goal is for all bits of consciousness caused by the source.
But from the moment we started the process to exist individually, situations and paths are also defined by circumstances due, soul group, and millions of situations that make it impossible that two spirits have exactly the same experiences.
Do not discount the possibility of a group have a more specific goal for situaçõe determined than others. That's ok for me.
But all return source. .
I came to this concept of faith based on a bit of everything you mentioned, a mix.
And I've already changed sometimes small parts of the whole picture and I'm not closed to new changes.
But I have to feel very strongly and that intuition comes from the heart to change.
If you do not understand something ask again.
Hug.

[naste.de.lumina]

And here is another point sincere.
Reading all these wonderful and heartfelt interpretations and feelings of individual spiritual truths, people like you(ALL), which is more easily influence me a change of viewpoint.
Why do I feel true here.
They are incredible souls of all of you (all).
Knowledge, education, sincerity, intelligence, are part of the daily menu.
So I love the people of this forum.
One of the unique things nowadays that can leave me stressed, is to be no connection to the net and consequently with the forum.

[naste.de.lumina]

Good question InCiDeR, it will be V-Interesting to see members answers/ideas/views !

Myself is to just ascend and see the truth of my journey, your journey, our journey, the journey!

When my time comes do I go to the light? What if i'm offered an instant return ticket I.E not to go into the light? well that would be sorted at that time (Time? Hmm!) If I have the option not to it will be my higher self saying no, I still believe in my higher self.

By accident I've nearly gone over at least twice now or very near and by special breathing exercises (nearly gone at least 3 more times lol) I've put myself at the entrance to the tunnel of light and looked deeply down it seeing it for what it is from a static view point (not blasting along it seeing it as just the light), but I didn't go again! I came back and have damages for my troubles. These damages and pains I've lived with and I think have saved me and put me on a better path/consciousness, opened my mind. Damages/injury's changed my path from the one I was on, so I suppose I jumped reality's ha (3 times by design, I didn't chose to jump along the tunnel and be reincarnated in a better life, I just came back! Good choice or not Hmm?). good I think because the experiences have added to this consciousness, I'm still aware of it all. to have jumped I think I would have lost the justified path, the me in this possibility.

All I know is our so called reality is not reality as it should be, it is a trap we have self fortified, until that is we start seeing the truth and open our door.
I do think we where put in the trap and it is our finale ability to escape no matter what is why we are so desired by the trappers.
Each one of us as individuals are one of the endless possibilities, that is until we all start to join the same possibility/path which has the door at it's end.

Late night ramblings Doh. hope I made some personal sense.

Very well said naste.de.lumina :wizard:

Glad you enjoyed my friend.
Thank you.

[InCiDeR]

Thank you Incider, for truly thinking outside the box. Most people admit or postulate that there are individual pathways in spiritual development, but I don't believe I've heard anyone suggest that there are individual 'final' destinations.

I have experienced what I believe to be Source, or at least traces of it. That profound oneness... an incredible, boundless love. I can see how this might be the pinnacle of spiritual evolution, but I do not seek to reside in that place (at least, not yet). That may mean that I am not ready to reach such a state of existence... I'm not sure. What I do know is that there are a number of other physical incarnations which I can imagine that I would like to experience first.

Based on the immense size of our universe (and the potentiality of multiple universes/dimensions), I think that those physical realities must exist somewhere out there, in some space and time.

I do not pretend to know the very nature of this reality, however, nor the reason for or purpose of my current incarnation. Two popular models of thinking are that of the 'school', and that of the 'prison'. Depending on what I choose to focus upon, I can fit my life now into either paradigm. For a long while this seemed to me to be much more like a prison... there is suffering which I've faced that made it feel that way. I've reached a point now wherein I can overcome, and it makes me wonder if that was part of the lesson plan all along.

The 'prison' paradigm seems like the negative one, but I think (especially in the U.S.) we have a skewed conception of what prison is. The true purpose of a prison is not really punishment, or retribution. It is for rehabilitation. If this was about punishment, everyone's lives would be entirely comprised of suffering. If this was a truly unjust situation, there would be no pleasures to be found. It becomes somewhat arrogant, or narcissistic to assume that the jailors are evil and we are all the victims here. We have a limited perspective, no matter how much we expand our consciousness. Thus, for all we know, the conditions we find ourselves in could all be necessary and purposeful to our rehabilitation/redemption/evolution/progression.

The physics and dynamics of this world are so vastly complex (read: particle physics, quantum physics...any field of science which, really, are not guaranteed to be 100% accurate), it seems that for one of us to declare the absolute truth of reality or ascertain the purpose of all life is an impossible task. We are greatly limited in what we can perceive, let alone what we can deduce. There are certain models of reality and theories of life which I am drawn toward, but I still take absolutely everything with a grain of salt and allow change and revision to every view I hold.

At the end of the day, it is the heart which is the most trustworthy compass. It seems to be, in a sense, something like 'the brain of the soul'. If one disagrees with this premise - that being heart-centered is ultimately for the best - they most likely have not yet practiced this in their own lives in earnest enough to find it to be true. And, importantly, being heart-centered is not at a total dismissal of the intellect. There is a certain balance which is ideal. It is not 50/50, but more like 70/30 (though, I'm not entirely sure what ratio is truly ideal, exactly). If you go too much with the heart, you will end up trusting that everyone else around you is living up to the same ideal as you are exemplifying. This is itself ideal, but not yet realistic unfortunately. There are (again, unfortunately) psychopaths and sociopaths out there, and that's where the 30%-or-so intellect comes into play.

Many challenges here, regardless of your individual circumstances or walk in life. Too much of a learning environment, in my mind, to warrant descriptions of some hellish limbo within which we are hopelessly trapped.

Thank you Fred Fox for sharing your thorough thoughts.

"School" or "prison"! Yes, I noticed they are popular models, at least during this time we are sharing right now. I personally believe there are many colors (deliberate choice of word) of grey though.

Maybe there is no purpose, besides what we create ourselves? No purpose could be a pretty scary thought in one way, because often we need a purpose otherwise we feel there is no reason doing anything. So, in order to create a reason we also create a purpose? And that purpose might be different for everyone!

On the other hand, to have "no purpose" is also a purpose... LOL :chess:

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What wonderful response to this thread! I am delighted. Thank you all. I will join sandman for a while now. I catch you all later.

Wish you all a pleasent day in align with your soul!

[Hawkwind]

I think the answer depends upon the perspective you consider the question from. From the perspective of an individuated consciousness, yes- different souls have different paths and different "goals". The image that came to mind was a water molecule within a raindrop that is falling toward the ocean. From the perspective of the single molecule, it's traveling toward the ocean along with a lot of other molecules within the raindrop and in the same general direction as a lot of other raindrops. So, for that moment it may appears that all the water molecules have pretty much the same "goal". The journey doesn't end there though. Some of the molecules remain as water, some evaporate and are reincarnated as clouds, some get incorporated into the bodies of plants and animals- perhaps combining with other chemicals and ceasing to be water molecules at all. From that perspective it hardly appears that they have the same "goals". In fact, after a few billion cycles of being everything from the consciousness of a quark to the consciousness of all that exists and everything in between, perhaps the goal is just to enjoy the ride.

[Beren]

Every soul has one goal
to be one with all
all that is, was and will ever be.

Though goal is one
roads taken are many...
If hearts are aligned with Love,
the light will shine and guide us all.

[Vitalux]

our "end goal"?



Is to feel

[Wind]

our "end goal"?



Is to feel

... And to experience.

[Beren]

our "end goal"?



Is to feel

... And to experience.

Thus to BE...

[Vitalux]

our "end goal"?



Is to feel

... And to experience.


To feel .....to experience......are they not one in the same?

[Wind]

To feel .....to experience......are they not one in the same?

I suppose so. :)

[ghostrider]

...in the end we all must learn , evolve , and become part of the universe/creation ...everything else is just details ...yes we have the same goal...

[Fred Steeves]

Hi InCIDer, cool thread man. I'll use a metaphor invoking "as above so below, as below so above", to express how my current state of awareness sees this anyway:

A baby has no goals at all, has no concept of a goal. It eats, sleeps, and watches. At a certain point a goal arises within it's consciousness, it wants to move itself from point A to point B. First through crawling, then unsteady walking, not only is point B accomplished, but now there are now many places this young being has it's eyes set on to attain. Most babies' goals are roughly the same through this point.

By the time it's in nursery school and kindergarten, the individual goals are already beginning to diversify, even though they are all still doing just about exactly same thing. They are now discovering there are others just like them, but a little bit different. Sometimes they play well together, and sometimes not so much. (LOL) Sound familiar???

At this same exact time there are others just like them who are graduating high school, and even though they are the same, they live in two completely different worlds. After all, the baby has no comprehension of things like dating, and the high schooler has set aside their childish ways. (Or have they?)

Even most beings graduating high school are still dependent on their parents to varying degrees, and the way they see the world, and many of their goals seem rather childish to a person of say age 50-60 who has experienced the harshness and love in the world, and recently said the big goodbye to their remaining parent. By this point later in life world view and individual goals, through reacting to experience, are as varied as the shapes of clouds, even though at 50 or 60 they are all still the same.

Then at the same time as the baby is in kindergarten, there is someone just like them who is laying in bed dying of old age. The baby and the old dying person could not be living in more completely different worlds, with different goals, yet still they are the same. Every being in the little kid's class are going to wind up that old dying person, the only difference being the way they arrive there.

And what IS the world view of that dying old person, and what ARE their goals? Well, they've either grown young at heart, cold at heart, or somewhere in the vast in between. Same with their goals. But, they are all still the same. One thing's for sure though, their goals are vastly different than those of that kid in kindergarten.

Or are they???

[sirdipswitch]

This thread is proof, for how many ways there are to say the same thing.

You may go to Source, and spend a thousand years with it, enjoying the beauty of that experience, but in the end, IT, will tell you that you must return to your life here, because it is not complete. IT won't tell you, that which you must do, but only that you are not complete. IT, tells everyone the same thing. IT, does not care, what you come back here and do, but only that you must do... something. Just to experience, something. It does not matter what we do, we are all, just experience for Source. By we... I mean everything... every single little thing of this vast Universe, and all Universes, and realities, and dimensions, and densities, and everything... are just experience... for Source. AND... while nothing matters that we do... everything that we do matters greatly.

So... it does not matter what any of you say... you are all... correct.

And I, will Love you all, (for stating that which you believe)... Unconditionally!

:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[BrianEn]

I've been pondered about this question as of late.

For millenium we have been arguing about which tools to use to reach the top of the mountain. Some find comfort in the buddist way, others in christianity, and yet others in islam or any other spiritual way.

Here at Avalon there have been discussions whether our soul are controlled by others or not, how to break free and reach our potential. Should we go into the light after dead or not. Is "next levels" controlled by benevolent or malevolent beings etc etc.

What if "the source" just is?

Neither loving or not loving, and what we feel it emits depends on our souls vibration and purpose. Like a tune, in some it will awake love feelings, in others it will awake feelings of fear or discomfort. Still "the source" is the same.

---

However, we all often agree upon what our souls "end goal" is, namely oneness! Our soul arrives back to the original source.

Is it our "end goal"?

Within infinite universes and dimensions with endless possibilities, would it not be a possibility that every soul has its own unique goal?

Meaning, not just here in our 3D world, but also in every layer/density/vibration beyond that.... and therefore also have a unique "end goal" different from everyone else?!


Thoughts?!

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In eternity with peace

InCiDeR


I think yes we ndo have the same end game goal but walks different paths to get there. We all have different obstacles, personalities, what we can live withs. I do feel that there are those that reject everythinh thing but maybe their soul is at a different place which would make their goals seem different but over different lifetimes they may find their ways.

[ljwheat]

I've been pondered about this question as of late.

For millenium we have been arguing about which tools to use to reach the top of the mountain. Some find comfort in the buddist way, others in christianity, and yet others in islam or any other spiritual way.

Here at Avalon there have been discussions whether our soul are controlled by others or not, how to break free and reach our potential. Should we go into the light after dead or not. Is "next levels" controlled by benevolent or malevolent beings etc etc.

What if "the source" just is?

Neither loving or not loving, and what we feel it emits depends on our souls vibration and purpose. Like a tune, in some it will awake love feelings, in others it will awake feelings of fear or discomfort. Still "the source" is the same.

---

However, we all often agree upon what our souls "end goal" is, namely oneness! Our soul arrives back to the original source.

Is it our "end goal"?

Within infinite universes and dimensions with endless possibilities, would it not be a possibility that every soul has its own unique goal?

Meaning, not just here in our 3D world, but also in every layer/density/vibration beyond that.... and therefore also have a unique "end goal" different from everyone else?!


Thoughts?!

---

In eternity with peace

InCiDeR


Incider, Great thread and the one question that has been asked for all time. And will never be answered as long as we are earth bound swimming in the matrix.

Dose a fish know he’s in water like we are in air, perceptions of the matrix are a trick on the avatar.

Back engineering the avatar as a car or a submarine - one on land, one in water. Both are avatar’s as too your body -- just a vehicle. The question is what is in the vehicle when we step out of it. Just a vehicle right. It dose nothing till we crawl back into the driver’s seat.

What is sitting in the driver’s seat is not of this world only driving around in it. Why dose the driver want to be come or attempt to become the vehicle. Spirit can not be come human or can a human become a car.

Everything in the matrix is manufactured to sustain the vehicle driving around in it. So ask your self or look in a spiritual mirror --- what did I look like before I stepped into this vehicle for the first time, or when you step out of this vehicle look for a spiritual mirror not made by the matrix we are in. that’s a tall order as the matrix and everything in it is of this world.

You and I are not of this world, nor can we ever be defined by it. Trying to use it in any way by the rules and properties of this world fail at every attempt to do so.

Its pretty much like Data on star trek trying to become a human. Or us trying to become spirit, or spirit trying to become human. You are spirit in the world of avatar’s not the avatar it self and never will be. Intellect and doing is of this world. Spirit is complete and flesh can not become spirit. We Are What’s In The Pot. Not the pot. Already complete and in need of anything of this Matrix world.

Chasing the matrix is what the avatar has been taught to do since birth. Why chase a car or vehicle when your already in one. Quit looking at the roads and towns of this world and chasing that identity -- rather get to know the drive that’s not of this world for a change and teach the avatar to respect the driver, why do we seek to become the vehicle should be your next question. And why do they want us to try? Teacher’s, Guru’s, Religious leader, Governments, corporations, or your better half that’s chasing the matrix of this world that we all are in but not of.??????????

P.S.. There is no end game, just stop playing with the matrix. :car: And walk in the spirit that you already are.

VGCL0L0JfEE

let go of the bannana (matrix) you can never become the matrix when you are spirit.

[greybeard]

If you enquire of an enlightened one the answer will be "There is only one soul"
"I am That"

The teacher and the taught are the same--only one conscious masquerading as the many.
Discovering That is not easy.

Chris

[Billy]

My own perception is that the ultimate goal is the same for all souls. To journey outward into the darkness and density from the source of our creation and manifest the light of the creator within the density so that the darkness dissipates and the density becomes lighter.

But as little sparks (creators incarnate) from the same fire (creator source) some sparks fall to the ground and die out. some reach the ground and kindle a new fire. some reach the highest heavens. we all have different missions and destiny's depending on our individual journey and intentions. Each souls mission is a reflection of experiences in this life, past lives here on earth and other planets.

There are many choices in how we play the game to reach the goal. The mission for us at this time simply because we are all here at this time. is creating light in the darkness. not by running away from the darkness but by embracing it without judgement, allowing it to transcend through our being, feeling it and allowing it to go with love.

This is how you change darkness into light.

My thoughts but hey i am only one spark in 7 billion. :p

[Sunny-side-up]

our "end goal"?



Is to feel

... And to experience.


To feel .....to experience......are they not one in the same?

Isn't to 'feel' the energy/emotion and experience is the knowledge as stored of that feeling in the mind!

[bruno dante]

If we consider the enormity of the soul and it's various manifestations along different locations, timelines and dimensions..we quickly realize that it is in many places at once, including "source" or "God" or whatever we choose to name it. So in this sense I don't believe we have anywhere to go really, as in some ways we are already there. Our goal, I believe, is to simply remember this...to clear ourselves of this spiritual amnesia. This was written in the "Conversations With God" books I like so much and resonated strongly with me. Bill said something similar in an interview somewhere, that there isn't anything to learn per se, and that the goal of the individual is to recognize ( re-cognize) what is already there. I believe this to be true.

I also believe part of the goal, a sizeable part, involves simply having fun here in the physical realms!

[Vitalux]

Isn't to 'feel' the energy/emotion and experience is the knowledge as stored of that feeling in the mind!

From my understanding from the messages that were passed to me by a spirit guide during an ayahuasca experience.

I shall relate my exchange

Me : "What is the purpose of living this existence" ?

Answer : "To feel"


During this exchange of telepathic communication ...to feel....was the single word that expressed the root core of my question.

[InCiDeR]

And here is another point sincere.
Reading all these wonderful and heartfelt interpretations and feelings of individual spiritual truths, people like you(ALL), which is more easily influence me a change of viewpoint.
Why do I feel true here.
They are incredible souls of all of you (all).
Knowledge, education, sincerity, intelligence, are part of the daily menu.
So I love the people of this forum.
One of the unique things nowadays that can leave me stressed, is to be no connection to the net and consequently with the forum.

Couldn't have said it better myself, sincerity and truth in every syllable! Thank you naste.de.lumina :kiss:



I think the answer depends upon the perspective you consider the question from. From the perspective of an individuated consciousness, yes- different souls have different paths and different "goals". The image that came to mind was a water molecule within a raindrop that is falling toward the ocean. From the perspective of the single molecule, it's traveling toward the ocean along with a lot of other molecules within the raindrop and in the same general direction as a lot of other raindrops. So, for that moment it may appears that all the water molecules have pretty much the same "goal". The journey doesn't end there though. Some of the molecules remain as water, some evaporate and are reincarnated as clouds, some get incorporated into the bodies of plants and animals- perhaps combining with other chemicals and ceasing to be water molecules at all. From that perspective it hardly appears that they have the same "goals". In fact, after a few billion cycles of being everything from the consciousness of a quark to the consciousness of all that exists and everything in between, perhaps the goal is just to enjoy the ride.

WOW Hawkwind! Thank you! That was a very graceful and forceful image you painted before my inner eye. I agree, the "end goal" might be to enjoy the ride. So, if I understand you correctly, the finish line is not oneness but endless recycling into new experiencies?



Every soul has one goal
to be one with all
all that is, was and will ever be.

Though goal is one
roads taken are many...
If hearts are aligned with Love,
the light will shine and guide us all.

Thank you for your reply Beren, beautiful said. You write poems? You should :)
One question though... what about "all that is not"? ;)

[InCiDeR]

our "end goal"?Is to feel... And to experience.To feel .....to experience......are they not one in the same?Isn't to 'feel' the energy/emotion and experience is the knowledge as stored of that feeling in the mind!
From my understanding from the messages that were passed to me by a spirit guide during an ayahuasca experience.
I shall relate my exchange
Me : "What is the purpose of living this existence" ?
Answer : "To feel"
During this exchange of telepathic communication ...to feel....was the single word that expressed the root core of my question.


Thank you Vitalux, Wind and Sunny-side-up for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

Is feel and experience same thing or not? They might be two sides of same coin, but I am not sure about that. Is an emotional body that feels necessary to experience something? Would it be possible to experience something without a feeling attached to it?

If we expand our view to all souls, not just earthlings. Are we sure that other entities "feels" something? If they don't, they might not share the "end goal" - to feel. It just takes one soul with a different goal to conclude that we don't share same goal, but it would take every soul to conclude that we do!

Any more thoughts about this?

[InCiDeR]

our "end goal"?Is to feel... And to experience.Thus to BE...

Thank you again Beren for another great input. Would you say that the meaning, the interpretation and the intention of "to BE" is shared by every soul everywhere?


...in the end we all must learn , evolve , and become part of the universe/creation ...everything else is just details ...yes we have the same goal...

Thank you ghostrider for your reply. Is it necessary to learn and evolve to reach the goal, or is the goal inevitable no matter what?

[Beren]

Thank you again Beren for another great input. Would you say that the meaning, the interpretation and the intention of "to BE" is shared by every soul everywhere?


I say yes. Though core is the same of our seeking or feeling or being , outer experience varies greatly.
The ones who dwell strictly in spirit state have different variabilities and experiences than us here but our core desire is same, uniting with Source.

This is a great thread my friend! :)

[Beren]

Posted by Beren (here)
Every soul has one goal
to be one with all
all that is, was and will ever be.

Though goal is one
roads taken are many...
If hearts are aligned with Love,
the light will shine and guide us all.
Thank you for your reply Beren, beautiful said. You write poems? You should
One question though... what about "all that is not"?

I do write them, go check my thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45479-My-big-news-From-forgotten-world-into-eternity

All that is not doesn`t exist. :) Though we may entertain that thought...

[InCiDeR]

Hi InCIDer, cool thread man. I'll use a metaphor invoking "as above so below, as below so above", to express how my current state of awareness sees this anyway:

A baby has no goals at all, has no concept of a goal. It eats, sleeps, and watches. At a certain point a goal arises within it's consciousness, it wants to move itself from point A to point B. First through crawling, then unsteady walking, not only is point B accomplished, but now there are now many places this young being has it's eyes set on to attain. Most babies' goals are roughly the same through this point.

By the time it's in nursery school and kindergarten, the individual goals are already beginning to diversify, even though they are all still doing just about exactly same thing. They are now discovering there are others just like them, but a little bit different. Sometimes they play well together, and sometimes not so much. (LOL) Sound familiar???

At this same exact time there are others just like them who are graduating high school, and even though they are the same, they live in two completely different worlds. After all, the baby has no comprehension of things like dating, and the high schooler has set aside their childish ways. (Or have they?)

Even most beings graduating high school are still dependent on their parents to varying degrees, and the way they see the world, and many of their goals seem rather childish to a person of say age 50-60 who has experienced the harshness and love in the world, and recently said the big goodbye to their remaining parent. By this point later in life world view and individual goals, through reacting to experience, are as varied as the shapes of clouds, even though at 50 or 60 they are all still the same.

Then at the same time as the baby is in kindergarten, there is someone just like them who is laying in bed dying of old age. The baby and the old dying person could not be living in more completely different worlds, with different goals, yet still they are the same. Every being in the little kid's class are going to wind up that old dying person, the only difference being the way they arrive there.

And what IS the world view of that dying old person, and what ARE their goals? Well, they've either grown young at heart, cold at heart, or somewhere in the vast in between. Same with their goals. But, they are all still the same. One thing's for sure though, their goals are vastly different than those of that kid in kindergarten.

Or are they???

Hahaha! Wonderful my friend, just wonderful! I love how you always have the skill to boil down one of the "big mystery" questions to every day life and easy understanding... but still with depth! :kiss:

"Or are they???"... that is the riddle!

The core within the icecream is the same, but with some extra toppings during the years. So, our goal hasn't changed, just our experiencies of that goal. When we arrived to this 3D body we had a goal and that is still intact when we once leave it again? Does that mean that we all share same goal?

[greybeard]

If you enquire of an enlightened one the answer will be "There is only one soul"
"I am That"

The teacher and the taught are the same--only one conscious masquerading as the many.
Discovering That is not easy.

Chris

To qualify my previous post----this is not my opinion but a statement of Truth made by Nasargadatta---Ramana, Adyshanti and every enlightened being that I have studied deeply --- and very quietly by Eckhart Tolle who said "There was never anyone there to do anything to you" Eckhart hints at the illusion of it all---Maya---Samsara..
If you come down a few levels, then we all have the same goal or rather circular route taking us back home, in actuality we were never separate, we never left One.
However "we" are meant to forget what we are in order for the experience the feeling to be real otherwise it would be pointless.

Hope that helps

Chris

So the explanation is that, God knowing everything but being formless and only form can experience, became all of us in His dream.
You are the dreamer of it all --the entirety.

[Fred Steeves]

And what IS the world view of that dying old person, and what ARE their goals? Well, they've either grown young at heart, cold at heart, or somewhere in the vast in between. Same with their goals. But, they are all still the same. One thing's for sure though, their goals are vastly different than those of that kid in kindergarten.

Or are they???

"Or are they"... that is the riddle!

The core within the icecream are the same, but with some extra toppings during the years. So, our goal hasn't changed, just our experiencies of that goal. When we arrived to this 3D body we had a goal and that is still intact when we once leave it again? Does that mean that we all share same goal?
Hell if I know bro, I'm just a long haired country boy that likes telling stories. :hippie:

[InCiDeR]

This thread is proof, for how many ways there are to say the same thing.

You may go to Source, and spend a thousand years with it, enjoying the beauty of that experience, but in the end, IT, will tell you that you must return to your life here, because it is not complete. IT won't tell you, that which you must do, but only that you are not complete. IT, tells everyone the same thing. IT, does not care, what you come back here and do, but only that you must do... something. Just to experience, something. It does not matter what we do, we are all, just experience for Source. By we... I mean everything... every single little thing of this vast Universe, and all Universes, and realities, and dimensions, and densities, and everything... are just experience... for Source. AND... while nothing matters that we do... everything that we do matters greatly.

So... it does not matter what any of you say... you are all... correct.

And I, will Love you all, (for stating that which you believe)... Unconditionally!

:wizard::wizard::wizard:

Lovely post sirdipswitch, thank you! ... and you are correct and loved as well :)

One thing though: "This thread is proof, for how many ways there are to say the same thing."

I am not totally sure that we actually saying the same thing in this thread... are you? I might be wrong though, and misinterpreted a couple of posts due to all filters the information have to pass through from one mind to another. Why can't we all re-learn telepathy?

[Vitalux]

Any more thoughts about this?

Myself I can only express my perspective which is totally from only the aspect of my own single universe.
While I was recently in an altered state of consciousness I had this epiphany of insight.

The body, because we breathe and are attached to the five senses, holds us prisoner, for the most part, in this illusion.
Who or what ever was responsible for putting us here in this human form, went to a great deal of forethought to bewilder our intelligence, tricking us into believing, where we are :sleep:, is the only state of "what is".

In conclusion, I don't think our soul evolves at all from the Human Experience. I tend to favor the hypothesis of Nanci Danison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8szDkpcsM) that we come here for the most part to amuse ourselves like a carnival ride.
Therefore, Heaven and Hell are all parts of the carnival ride to help make the carnival experience more amusing. Fear is the glue that holds the illusion all together.

[InCiDeR]

I think yes we ndo have the same end game goal but walks different paths to get there. We all have different obstacles, personalities, what we can live withs. I do feel that there are those that reject everythinh thing but maybe their soul is at a different place which would make their goals seem different but over different lifetimes they may find their ways.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts BrianEn. So if I interpret your message correctly, all souls have same goal but it takes longer for some souls to understand that goal?




Incider, Great thread and the one question that has been asked for all time. And will never be answered as long as we are earth bound swimming in the matrix.

Dose a fish know he’s in water like we are in air, perceptions of the matrix are a trick on the avatar.

Back engineering the avatar as a car or a submarine - one on land, one in water. Both are avatar’s as too your body -- just a vehicle. The question is what is in the vehicle when we step out of it. Just a vehicle right. It dose nothing till we crawl back into the driver’s seat.

What is sitting in the driver’s seat is not of this world only driving around in it. Why dose the driver want to be come or attempt to become the vehicle. Spirit can not be come human or can a human become a car.

Everything in the matrix is manufactured to sustain the vehicle driving around in it. So ask your self or look in a spiritual mirror --- what did I look like before I stepped into this vehicle for the first time, or when you step out of this vehicle look for a spiritual mirror not made by the matrix we are in. that’s a tall order as the matrix and everything in it is of this world.

You and I are not of this world, nor can we ever be defined by it. Trying to use it in any way by the rules and properties of this world fail at every attempt to do so.

Its pretty much like Data on star trek trying to become a human. Or us trying to become spirit, or spirit trying to become human. You are spirit in the world of avatar’s not the avatar it self and never will be. Intellect and doing is of this world. Spirit is complete and flesh can not become spirit. We Are What’s In The Pot. Not the pot. Already complete and in need of anything of this Matrix world.

Chasing the matrix is what the avatar has been taught to do since birth. Why chase a car or vehicle when your already in one. Quit looking at the roads and towns of this world and chasing that identity -- rather get to know the drive that’s not of this world for a change and teach the avatar to respect the driver, why do we seek to become the vehicle should be your next question. And why do they want us to try? Teacher’s, Guru’s, Religious leader, Governments, corporations, or your better half that’s chasing the matrix of this world that we all are in but not of.??????????

P.S.. There is no end game, just stop playing with the matrix. :car: And walk in the spirit that you already are.

VGCL0L0JfEE

let go of the bannana (matrix) you can never become the matrix when you are spirit.

ljwheat! I love your great metaphor, thank you! So, would you say we already have reached our goal, as we are already a complete spirit?... or that there was no goal in the first place?

By the way, I enjoy listening to Mooji very much, and I do love bananas! ;)



If you enquire of an enlightened one the answer will be "There is only one soul"
"I am That"

The teacher and the taught are the same--only one conscious masquerading as the many.
Discovering That is not easy.

Chris

Brilliant Chris. In simplicity lies the truth and truth is simplicity! Thank you!

[naste.de.lumina]

InCiDeR
Why can't we all re-learn telepathy?

Have a good teacher to tell me?
I work years to pay if necessary.

UPDATE

This topic took a super vitamin suddenly.
Is it already we are not learning some kind of telepathic strength?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I suspect that there is no final goal, that we are never done.
This experience is a segment of the never ending journey.
It is always about the journey, our choices and our actions, not the destination.
We all are Prime Creator on a journey of self discovery.

[InCiDeR]

My own perception is that the ultimate goal is the same for all souls. To journey outward into the darkness and density from the source of our creation and manifest the light of the creator within the density so that the darkness dissipates and the density becomes lighter.

But as little sparks (creators incarnate) from the same fire (creator source) some sparks fall to the ground and die out. some reach the ground and kindle a new fire. some reach the highest heavens. we all have different missions and destiny's depending on our individual journey and intentions. Each souls mission is a reflection of experiences in this life, past lives here on earth and other planets.

There are many choices in how we play the game to reach the goal. The mission for us at this time simply because we are all here at this time. is creating light in the darkness. not by running away from the darkness but by embracing it without judgement, allowing it to transcend through our being, feeling it and allowing it to go with love.

This is how you change darkness into light.

My thoughts but hey i am only one spark in 7 billion. :p
Thank you billyji, for your interesting thoughts. So, would you say that light finally will become one with no darkness within , without or beyond?



If we consider the enormity of the soul and it's various manifestations along different locations, timelines and dimensions..we quickly realize that it is in many places at once, including "source" or "God" or whatever we choose to name it. So in this sense I don't believe we have anywhere to go really, as in some ways we are already there. Our goal, I believe, is to simply remember this...to clear ourselves of this spiritual amnesia. This was written in the "Conversations With God" books I like so much and resonated strongly with me. Bill said something similar in an interview somewhere, that there isn't anything to learn per se, and that the goal of the individual is to recognize ( re-cognize) what is already there. I believe this to be true.

I also believe part of the goal, a sizeable part, involves simply having fun here in the physical realms!
Nicely put bruno dante, thank you. I have been considering this possibility as well. In this perspective there are no real “end goal” except the ones we create for ourselves, because we are already “there” no matter what we do or how we do it! However that milestone of re-member (re-cognize) could be considered an “end goal” in itself!

[greybeard]

I posted something relevant here
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52121-OBEs-What-are-they-how-to-make-them-happen-and-where-does-the-Higher-Self-fit-in&p=679079&viewfull=1#post679079

In a way its simple--- which is more important the story or the Truth?
The ego love drama---the story of me---it wants to be an enlightened me/ego.
Then it talks about oneness.
When enlightenment happens it is not a personal event--there is no me left--in fact the me is the illusion --there never was a me.
If you listen to Adyashanti for example he is very clear.
Please dont take my word for this--its very important --investigate deeply.
If I want to know how to play Golf I go to a professional.
If I want to remove the obstacles to enlightenment then I listen to some ONE who is clear on it--
The rest it is just talk, hearsay, and removed from the truth.
Tim who has posted on Avalon is the real deal---reading his thread is enlightening.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPG4MMkkb9U

[InCiDeR]

To qualify my previous post----this is not my opinion but a statement of Truth made by Nasargadatta---Ramana, Adyshanti and every enlightened being that I have studied deeply --- and very quietly by Eckhart Tolle who said "There was never anyone there to do anything to you" Eckhart hints at the illusion of it all---Maya---Samsara..
If you come down a few levels, then we all have the same goal or rather circular route taking us back home, in actuality we were never separate, we never left One.
However "we" are meant to forget what we are in order for the experience the feeling to be real otherwise it would be pointless.

Hope that helps

Chris

So the explanation is that, God knowing everything but being formless and only form can experience, became all of us in His dream.
You are the dreamer of it all --the entirety.

Touché Chris! In that context we all share the same goal, but also the “no goal” ... both in the same time!





Any more thoughts about this?

Myself I can only express my perspective which is totally from only the aspect of my own single universe.
While I was recently in an altered state of consciousness I had this epiphany of insight.

The body, because we breathe and are attached to the five senses, holds us prisoner, for the most part, in this illusion.
Who or what ever was responsible for putting us here in this human form, went to a great deal of forethought to bewilder our intelligence, tricking us into believing, where we are :sleep:, is the only state of "what is".

In conclusion, I don't think our soul evolves at all from the Human Experience. I tend to favor the hypothesis of Nanci Danison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8szDkpcsM) that we come here for the most part to amuse ourselves like a carnival ride.
Therefore, Heaven and Hell are all parts of the carnival ride to help make the carnival experience more amusing. Fear is the glue that holds the illusion all together.

Is it possible to experience without evolving? Or is the Human body evolving while the soul is unchanged? Interesting perspective Vitalux. So this is an everlasting amusement park, I like that idea :)

However I am not sure this would be true for every soul.



I suspect that there is no final goal, that we are never done.
This experience is a segment of the never ending journey.
It is always about the journey, our choices and our actions, not the destination.
We all are Prime Creator on a journey of self discovery.
I enjoy your perspective rmauersr, thank you. Even though I believe there will be some that find this view horrifying. They might believe that the suffering they are experiencing now will go on… forever!

---


Once again, thank you all for your inputs. I am very pleased and grateful to be in company of such great soul as yours.

At first glance it seems like we not share the same view on what the “end goal” would be. Is this thread therefore “proof” that souls don’t have same goal or that there was no goal to begin with.

Or... is this thread saying that we are all on different levels of understanding what the goal is, but at the end of the day it is same for all of us no matter what?

I will transform myself into a cow for a while and ruminate what have been written.

[Beren]

Think of it as multi point of view scheme.
Even ones who do evil are putting of a value of one soul at the end, because through fire one becomes firmer or better or purer.
When one does evil to others, even perpetrator is burning along with its victims. So once the outer layer who create evil burns out, a divine original spark remains in that soul.
Energy is never lost.

Though it`s not an easy experience suffering evil in any way or form in all existence.

[lookbeyond]

Hi InCiDer,i can only speak for myself.I feel that my end goal would be to "go home" so life for me is an evolving toward this goal.Maybe because we are all at different levels of "development" we behave according to what is "right" for us at that moment in time, which would account for no good/bad- right/wrong and give rise to "dont judge others"as weve probably all walked a similar path sometime previous.

[InCiDeR]

Please bear with me in this thought pattern that follows. Language is simply not enough to express and comprehend what I am trying to reach and explain. ;)

---

All is present consciousness, even the memories and the shadows following them. They are interconnected and interdependent. Yin and Yang, darkness nourish light and light nourish darkness. They transform each other and give birth to everything.

When we create light we also create its counterpart, dark. Lit a flash light and see the shadows that follows. That is necessarily so.

It is true with everything that our current awareness will be able to comprehend. In that sense we creating both the “good” and the “evil” and everything surrounding it. I am not able to think about anything without also indirect “thinking” about its counterpart, what is and what is not, they define each other.

If I say: “Imagine a room without an elephant!”

What do you see?

I am not able to imagine what something would be or look like without a counterpart, therefore duality has to be in current state of awareness. Maybe that is why we cannot see what not yet has a defined counterpart, what it is not. Would that explain why some ufos and spirits etc. are invisible to the naked eye? We have no reference point to its counterpart except nothingness…

When we understand nothingness, we will “see” everything.

---

When we love we also create hate. If oneness is pure love there must also be pure hate, in other terms, total fragmentation (hell?). What is that and what does that look like? You more fragmented you more “evil”?

Therefore I do not think oneness is love in that way it is understood and comprehended by humans.

Oneness is and total fragmentation is not.

Does that mean that everything can cease to exist for good? Total fragmentation? Further more, does total fragmentation mean that we never existed in the first place? Because there would be no time or space, nothing before, present or after in that state.

So, would a conscious “evil” entity move towards this goal where it will cease to exist as well?

Hmmmm…

---

But here I am writing this, so is that proof that oneness exists? And also therefore proof that oneness already “won”? Otherwise I would not exist? Oneness would be the holder of all time and space.

Maybe I found my own answer… oneness is inevitable …otherwise I wouldn’t be here.

Therefore all souls share same goal and “no goal”, otherwise they wouldn’t be here.


… but that would also mean that oneness itself is breaking the rule of free will… ;)

[lookbeyond]

I will need to reread and ponder...

[Beren]

InCiDeR ,

very valuable conversation we here lead, Oneness is all that exist everywhere.
even the term everywhere was created by oneness. We also name it God.

Free will is always a rule unbreakable.
Despite what we may think. There is always a choice but results of choice varies greatly.

One that is evil isn`t evil from their own point of view. But from ours it is. Because its choices were of a kind that disrupts other souls`s experiences or at least tries to steer them according to the first choice that one made.

Others having their own choices in the matter decides to follow them and thus we created duality and battle of light and dark.

Oneness or God is always honoring the free will of every being that exist but we don`t understand this on our level.
And we do have different goals as souls but eventually those goals blend into supreme goal , returning back to God. Even after an eon of time (which btw doesn`t exist where God is) the goals will blend into one. For God (despite how long this took to manifest) since existing out of time and space, it took a nano second from big bang to divine unity again.

Mind-blowing right???

[Energy Alchemist]

May I offer a personal perspective to this question.

I would say yes, we all have the same goal although there are as many paths to this goal as there people to travel them. We start from Source and return to Source and then we do it again. The fact of it is we’re all “serial incarnators.” The infinite possibilities / probabilities are in the “how” we make the journey. This is where Free Will comes in. We’re free to make a mess out of our lives as much as we want for as long as we want until we learn better. Between incarnations we get a pep talk and prepare to try it again. I do a lot of work with clearing those old energies which have held people back for as much as centuries and this doesn’t even talk about what was “done to them.” The Earth isn’t where Mr. Rogers hangs out, but then this is the learning opportunity we have. Not all the kids on the playground play nice.

Experience and Karma go hand and hand in presenting a unique set of conditions for each of us to grow in, not even God knows what we will do until we do it. There are probabilities of what we could do about everything, some are very high but still not certain until the point of decision.

The journey to the goal, Ascension if you wish, is one I use the metaphor of a Scavenger Hunt for. We all have the same list of things to find, it’s only in the “where” we find them and the “order” we find them in which is different. This is a game with no time limit, we can take a million years if we want to.

This is the “local, short term view of what we do.” The bigger picture is far grander than this. The bigger picture is we do this on planet after planet. We’re incarnation specialist and raise the vibration rate of the entire Universe as we keep working.
P.S. What we do here is watched by the whole Universe with great anticipation as we are cheered on.

[Billy]

My own perception is that the ultimate goal is the same for all souls. To journey outward into the darkness and density from the source of our creation and manifest the light of the creator within the density so that the darkness dissipates and the density becomes lighter.

But as little sparks (creators incarnate) from the same fire (creator source) some sparks fall to the ground and die out. some reach the ground and kindle a new fire. some reach the highest heavens. we all have different missions and destiny's depending on our individual journey and intentions. Each souls mission is a reflection of experiences in this life, past lives here on earth and other planets.

There are many choices in how we play the game to reach the goal. The mission for us at this time simply because we are all here at this time. is creating light in the darkness. not by running away from the darkness but by embracing it without judgement, allowing it to transcend through our being, feeling it and allowing it to go with love.

This is how you change darkness into light.

My thoughts but hey i am only one spark in 7 billion. :p
Thank you billyji, for your interesting thoughts. So, would you say that light finally will become one with no darkness within , without or beyond?

Hi inCider, I think my opening sentence explains what I mean by darkness. Density and Darkness are both one and the same. The heavier the density the heavier the darkness, Humanity has allowed a heavy weight to manifest upon mother earth and within themselves, I used the word dissipates but not destroy. Meaning for souls to assist in lighting the load of the density, And there will always be more density for souls to explore. At least as long as creation continues to expand.

What is important is the balance between the density and the light. The negative and the positive. This is the key. Darkness within itself is not evil, We just allowed the darkness to become so dense through greed, power, control, lies, selfishness, wars, suffering. The list goes on. Therefore I believe the mission in hand is to lighten the density through acts of love and kindness.

For many years I believed as many others do, That the goal of the soul was to return home to source, But this last decade or so I no longer have that belief within my belief system. I am already home. Source creator never left me, It only appeared that way within the illusion of life on earth.

The desire to return home is a bit like saving up for years for that dream holiday and when the day arrives for you to reach your destination, and when there you get homesick and want to return home. What a waste of years of planning and energy. Instead of enjoying the journey having fun with the new adventure.

I believe In truth, perfection can never be achieved on this physical plane because of the density. But you can achieve perfection within the soul and mind of the individual. The soul, mind and spirit when blended together in balance creates pure energy, Which is pure soul energy. Which is good for us all and Mother earth.

Peace

[InCiDeR]

Think of it as multi point of view scheme.
Even ones who do evil are putting of a value of one soul at the end, because through fire one becomes firmer or better or purer.
When one does evil to others, even perpetrator is burning along with its victims. So once the outer layer who create evil burns out, a divine original spark remains in that soul.
Energy is never lost.

Though it`s not an easy experience suffering evil in any way or form in all existence.

I like this picture. It is so easy to put a label on something as evil, then you never remove it, not even when the purity of the soul shines through.


Hi InCiDer,i can only speak for myself.I feel that my end goal would be to "go home" so life for me is an evolving toward this goal.Maybe because we are all at different levels of "development" we behave according to what is "right" for us at that moment in time, which would account for no good/bad- right/wrong and give rise to "dont judge others"as weve probably all walked a similar path sometime previous.

Thank you lookbeyond for your input. It is very true indeed that we shall not judge others, in so we are judging ourselves.


InCiDeR ,

very valuable conversation we here lead, Oneness is all that exist everywhere.
even the term everywhere was created by oneness. We also name it God.

Free will is always a rule unbreakable.
Despite what we may think. There is always a choice but results of choice varies greatly.

One that is evil isn`t evil from their own point of view. But from ours it is. Because its choices were of a kind that disrupts other souls`s experiences or at least tries to steer them according to the first choice that one made.

Others having their own choices in the matter decides to follow them and thus we created duality and battle of light and dark.

Oneness or God is always honoring the free will of every being that exist but we don`t understand this on our level.
And we do have different goals as souls but eventually those goals blend into supreme goal , returning back to God. Even after an eon of time (which btw doesn`t exist where God is) the goals will blend into one. For God (despite how long this took to manifest) since existing out of time and space, it took a nano second from big bang to divine unity again.

Mind-blowing right???

Hahaha, yes Beren! It is surely mind blowing, but I love every bit of this thread!

What I still have a hard time to wrap my head around though is… if oneness is inevitable, wouldn’t that in itself be against free will? I mean my soul have no choice but to chose oneness. On the other hand, there is just one soul here…. LOL :chess:


My I offer a personal perspective to this question.

I would say yes, we all have the same goal although there are as many paths to this goal as there people to travel them. We start from Source and return to Source and then we do it again. The fact of it is we’re all “serial incarnators.” The infinite possibilities / probabilities are in the “how” we make the journey. This is where Free Will comes in. We’re free to make a mess out of our lives as much as we want for as long as we want until we learn better. Between incarnations we get a pep talk and prepare to try it again. I do a lot of work with clearing those old energies which have held people back for as much as centuries and this doesn’t even talk about what was “done to them.” The Earth isn’t where Mr. Rogers hangs out, but then this is the learning opportunity we have. Not all the kids on the playground play nice.

Experience and Karma go hand and hand in presenting a unique set of conditions for each of us to grow in, not even God knows what we will do until we do it. There are probabilities of what we could do about everything, some are very high but still not certain until the point of decision.

The journey to the goal, Ascension if you wish, is one I use the metaphor of a Scavenger Hunt for. We all have the same list of things to find, it’s only in the “where” we find them and the “order” we find them in which is different. This is a game with no time limit, we can take a million years if we want to.

This is the “local, short term view of what we do.” The bigger picture is far grander than this. The bigger picture is we do this on planet after planet. We’re incarnation specialist and raise the vibration rate of the entire Universe as we keep working.
P.S. What we do here is watched by the whole Universe with great anticipation as we are cheered on.

Energy Alchemist, thank you for putting your "energy" in this thread.
“serial incarnators.”! Brilliant! May I borrow that expression from you? If you don’t mind of course. Interesting point of view that we raise the vibration rate while we cruising the universe(s).




My own perception is that the ultimate goal is the same for all souls. To journey outward into the darkness and density from the source of our creation and manifest the light of the creator within the density so that the darkness dissipates and the density becomes lighter.

But as little sparks (creators incarnate) from the same fire (creator source) some sparks fall to the ground and die out. some reach the ground and kindle a new fire. some reach the highest heavens. we all have different missions and destiny's depending on our individual journey and intentions. Each souls mission is a reflection of experiences in this life, past lives here on earth and other planets.

There are many choices in how we play the game to reach the goal. The mission for us at this time simply because we are all here at this time. is creating light in the darkness. not by running away from the darkness but by embracing it without judgement, allowing it to transcend through our being, feeling it and allowing it to go with love.

This is how you change darkness into light.

My thoughts but hey i am only one spark in 7 billion. :p
Thank you billyji, for your interesting thoughts. So, would you say that light finally will become one with no darkness within , without or beyond?
Billyji, thank you for clarifying. Now I see the image clearly! Hmmmm… yes…darkness within darkness, they key to everything!

Hi inCider, I think my opening sentence explains what I mean by darkness. Density and Darkness are both one and the same. The heavier the density the heavier the darkness, Humanity has allowed a heavy weight to manifest upon mother earth and within themselves, I used the word dissipates but not destroy. Meaning for souls to assist in lighting the load of the density, And there will always be more density for souls to explore. At least as long as creation continues to expand.

What is important is the balance between the density and the light. The negative and the positive. This is the key. Darkness within itself is not evil, We just allowed the darkness to become so dense through greed, power, control, lies, selfishness, wars, suffering. The list goes on. Therefore I believe the mission in hand is to lighten the density through acts of love and kindness.

For many years I believed as many others do, That the goal of the soul was to return home to source, But this last decade or so I no longer have that belief within my belief system. I am already home. Source creator never left me, It only appeared that way within the illusion of life on earth.

The desire to return home is a bit like saving up for years for that dream holiday and when the day arrives for you to reach your destination, and when there you get homesick and want to return home. What a waste of years of planning and energy. Instead of enjoying the journey having fun with the new adventure.

I believe In truth, perfection can never be achieved on this physical plane because of the density. But you can achieve perfection within the soul and mind of the individual. The soul, mind and spirit when blended together in balance creates pure energy, Which is pure soul energy. Which is good for us all and Mother earth.

Peace

Billyji, thank you for clarifying. Now I see the image clearly! Hmmmm… yes…darkness within darkness, they key to everything! :secret:

[Energy Alchemist]

We all draw from the same well of knowledge, we just may hold our glass up to the Light in a different direction. If it tickles your fancy to use "serial incarnators" then be my guest.
Namaste

[gardunk]

Not to reflect, but to be
The journeying Light
Simultaneously still
And yet, mirrored in matter.
The center, indeed, does not hold!
All things formed together, fall apart
But only so that they can reform.
Yet, what of the Magnetic stillness
That centers the torus, the Star
It is the eddy of two way Time
Hidden in vortexial quiet
For, as fulcrum
It is not the levered extensions…
And In-form-ation
Is the compression, desirous of return
Dissected as it unfolds
Yet, like frequency
This form is not Energy…
The rods and pistons of Sea
Are not the waves that crash
No more than the silence
And stillness ‘twixt breaths
Are the breathing.
Our hearts are the reference point
The seed octave of our 3d body
And symmetry is more than bilateral
‘Tis the first and last note
Of this song we call Life.