Tarot Discussion and Experiences - Past Life/Karma/Divination

[soleil]

Good Day All,

this is our new (hopefully) interactive thread for those who would like to learn and discuss the tarot, meanings, share spreads and recommended books.

I have been studying the tarot for the past little while, and have started doing personal readings on myself for spiritual growth/guidance. i do not have anything (yet) to add today, as this thread is just getting started.

this thread was the idea and recommendation of awakeinadream;
:clap2:hi buddy! :bounce:

i hope that people aren't afraid to share any advise or insights (ya right, this is PA):tape2:
...and that all are open to read what we share as part of our learning's and experiences and breakthroughs.


this thread is a bit of a spin-off from:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52121-OBEs-What-are-they-how-to-make-them-happen-and-where-does-the-Higher-Self-fit-in

:llama::canada::peep::hug:

[soleil]

This is the third spread in Edain McCoy's book "Past Life & Karmic Tarot" and is not the Celtic Cross but a variation on the cross known as St. Bridget's Cross (taken from the popular and powerful Irish goddess Brighid, pronounced "breed").

These crosses of woven straw resemble the ever-turning wheel of life cycles, change, and the wheel of the year. The key points to remember about this 10-card spread are:

1. Read all cards in the upright position no matter how they fell when you turned them up. the only exception is Card 1, which should be read as it falls.

2. Read Card 2, the cross-card, as an upright card.

3. Remember that the future life arm of the cross is only applicable to you if you stay on your current life's course, learning nothing from your past. The future is what you make it.

After you have had time to contemplate and implement positive change do this reading again to look for changes in the future.

Layout s best as I can do here:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 10 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 9 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1 XXXXXXXXXXX 7 XXXXX 8
5 XXXXX 6 XXXXXXXX 2 (crossing 1) XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 3 XXXXXXXXXXXXXxxXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx 4 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Card 1: indicates major past-life issue that is affecting your present life, and issue you must overcoem to have the rest of your current life, and your future lives, be transformed into what you want them to be. (this is the only card in the spread that shoudl be read in a reversed position if the card falls naturally into a reversed position.)

Card 2: the infamous cross-card representing an energy, issue, or person who either counters or encourages the karmic traits of the first card. (Cross cards are always read as if they were upright.)

Card 3: the first card that indicates what sort of karma must be dealt with in your current life to ensure a happy life in both your current incarnation and in future ones.

Card 4: shows what you did or did not do correctly in the past that caused your current internal imbalances.

Card 5: shows an issue or a time in your past current life that either began or set you up to begin the karmic repercussions shown in all previous cards. they do not have to be negative in nature, but could be sowing you the positive karma you created that is returning to you.

Card 6: continues the story of Card 5; the same issue or event that is now passing or has recently passed from your current life leaving you on the verge of working out the karmic issues shown in Cards 1 through 4.

Card 7: shows the near future of your current life. You may already be feeling the impact of the karma right now as this energy moveds to the forefront of your life.

Card 8: extends a little further in the future, predicting how you will respond to the foreknowledge given to you in Card 7. Again, this does not have to be a negative issue, but one that shows positive karma coming back to you in the form of a reward. It can also be indicative of a blind spot in your thinking. Take it as a warning to open your mind and expand it to embrace all possible creative solutions.

If you are not happy with the energies depicted in Cards 7, 8, you must remember you are in control of your future. You have the devinegift of free will and you can make any changes you really want to make.

Card 9: represents the early years of a future lifetime in which the karmic issue shown in Card 1 will manifest if the debt is not resolved in your current lifetime.

Card 10: represents the latter part of your future life and shows how the karma begun in a past life will continue to pursue you if you stay on your current path. If Cards 9 and 10 are positive, and you see nothing negative in Cards 7 and 8, you may have already set a course to correct that original karmic blunder. If not, you have now been warned that you must overcome the bad trait, habit, personality aspect, or attitude that will steer yoru future life cards in your desired direction.

{this is an awesome spread; ENJOY!}

[Padmé]

WOW! Excellent thread, just what I've been looking for... thank you :)

I've been reading my own cards for some time now too (and occasionally friends). I will try this one out tonight :)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

From what I've seen of Tarot, it's an incredible and astounding tool.
A couple of people have given hauntingly accurate readings, and I would be the last person to tell you that Tarot doesn't work.

Isn't it an offshoot of ancient Jewish mysticism? I think it's really cool!

[AwakeInADream]

From what I've seen of Tarot, it's an incredible and astounding tool.
A couple of people have given hauntingly accurate readings, and I would be the last person to tell you that Tarot doesn't work.

Isn't it an offshoot of ancient Jewish mysticism? I think it's really cool!

I think it's association with the Quabbala (The western equivalent of Jewish mysticism) is more of a modern invention, but the Tarot does seem to have been embraced by many other different spiritual disciplines along the way. No one knows for sure where it really came from but it's likely that it predates Judaism and goes way back to ancient Egypt.

This chapter on the Tarot from Manly P Hall's book 'The Secret Teachings of All Ages' might be of interest:http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta31.htm

A quote from the book:

Through the Gypsies the Tarot cards may be traced back to the religious symbolism of the ancient Egyptians. In his remarkable work, The Gypsies, Samuel Roberts presents ample proof of their Egyptian origin. In one place he writes: "When Gypsies originally arrived in England is very uncertain. They are first noticed in our laws, by several statutes against them in the reign of Henry VIII.; in which they are described as 'an outlandish people, calling themselves Egyptians,--who do not profess any craft or trade, but go about in great numbers, * * *.'" A curious legend relates that after the destruction of the Serapeum in Alexandria, the large body of attendant priests banded themselves together to preserve the secrets of the rites of Serapis. Their descendants (Gypsies) carrying with them the most precious of the volumes saved from the burning library--the Book of Enoch, or Thoth (the Tarot)--became wanderers upon the face of the earth, remaining a people apart with an ancient language and a birthright of magic and mystery.

From the same book, here is a fantasic quote/claim from Eliphas Levi:

"An imprisoned person, with no other book than the Tarot, if he knew how to use it, could in a few years acquire universal knowledge, and would be able to speak on all subjects with unequalled learning and inexhaustible eloquence. "

I'm beginning to see how the Tarot could be an excellent tool for gaining wisdom and communicating with higher parts of our beings/divine natures, so long as the Higher Self does the interpretation and not the ego. Also, since that the designs are so old and widespread across cultures, it makes sense to me also that some of the more archetypal images/references may help to trigger the recall of past life memories too.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

It's actually quite good for predicting emotional events and divining difficulty in family matters, in my experience (limited).
I had a reading done at one time, and was blown away by the predicted events actually coming to pass.
It wasn't a 100% positive prediction either, meaning the stuff that happened wasn't all good.

[soleil]

It's actually quite good for predicting emotional events and divining difficulty in family matters, in my experience (limited).
I had a reading done at one time, and was blown away by the predicted events actually coming to pass.
It wasn't a 100% positive prediction either, meaning the stuff that happened wasn't all good.
from what ive read and can tell....the tarot can and will show you what you want to know answers to.
it will show/tell you what you are asking questions about.

if you started doing a personal reading once a day, you'd get a plethora of information and perhaps even further guidance to improve current situations. :) :nod::pray:

book recommendation: http://www.amazon.com/Around-Tarot-78-Days-Personal/dp/0738730440

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this is for awakeinadream:
here is some info i read for the magician card.

the magician is a direct teaching card by experience and by setting an example for others. there is a lesson to be learned.
really detailed link for you on this here including soul lessons and the divinatory meaning.
http://teachmetarot.wordpress.com/part-iii-major-arcana/lesson-2/the-magician-i-upright/

[TraineeHuman]

I see the Tarot as a good device for contemplation. Just looking at all the picture cards, and noticing what emotional reactions they bring up in you for no apparent reason. Looking at the picture cards this way can bring about a good “mirror” of what’s in your subconscious – both positive (strengths) and negative (ego).

Doing Tarot readings on yourself can also bring useful information provided you’ve developed your consciousness to the point where you can use it with some control, i.e. as a clairvoyant, even if an amateur one. But your initial readings may not necessarily be very accurate, as it takes practice to learn accuracy at almost any skill, and I believe Tarot reading is no different.

I guess if you know the full meaning of each card it helps, because there's much wisdom put in. For instance, the Death card means a new beginning, and rarely means physical death. But even physical death is really experienced as new beginning, rather than as a tragedy, It's a tragedy only to the ego. In fact, I understand indigenous cultures all traditionally used to consider a funeral as a time for rejoicing, and many still do so today.

[enfoldedblue]

I love Tarot. I bought my first pack (the classic Tarot de Marseille) in Paris when I was 14. Now I have many decks, and have always dreamed of one day creating my own deck....the writing and the images. The funny thing is even though I feel deeply connected to the Tarot, have a great understanding, and have done a course in Tarot reading, I am hopeless as a reader for others. For myself though I feel that when I am going through heavy times or big shifts in my life they help me get a bigger picture perspective. I always end up feeling better after a reading.

Thanks for starting this thread :)

[donk]

Thanks for the info, I'm new to this, though my gf gets a reading every now again--seemed pretty helpful...& fun

So can it be done from a distance? Without names (mines Phil ;)) or face-to-face? Or without specific questions? If so, then I volunteer!

Maybe an experiment? More than one reader, then compare & contrast? Lay it on me...I'm not shy, get as personal as you can--posted for everyone, could be educational

[skippy]

From what I've seen of Tarot, it's an incredible and astounding tool.

Yes, the Tarot is absolutely amazing. The Major Arcana, the first 22 cards, are windows on the infinite. Just put them in a circle and listen (TARO – ROTA -TORA). Every card is trying to learn you something about the universe, about you. To start the journey, a fool spirit is required. Beingness without prejudice. The fool, is the card with the number 0 or infinite nothingness, empty space. Then you follow the cards from 1 to 21 and meditate on each card. What is each specific card trying to tell you? Enjoy the journey.


"An imprisoned person, with no other book than the Tarot, if he knew how to use it, could in a few years acquire universal knowledge, and would be able to speak on all subjects with unequalled learning and inexhaustible eloquence. "

Could very well be so.

[soleil]

Thanks for the info, I'm new to this, though my gf gets a reading every now again--seemed pretty helpful...& fun

So can it be done from a distance? Without names (mines Phil ;)) or face-to-face? Or without specific questions? If so, then I volunteer!

Maybe an experiment? More than one reader, then compare & contrast? Lay it on me...I'm not shy, get as personal as you can--posted for everyone, could be educational

hey donk, im very new to the tarot myself. this thread is for others to join in and do readings if they want and share their personal experiences. i would by hopeless to do a reading on you at this time and space. but i could recommend this site for online 3 card reading or one card. http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/free-readings/

i would fully recommend purchasing a deck. they are very cheap on amazon. cheap being $20 or less. :)
i have the thoth tarot deck, but the WST deck is (it seems) most popular. then refer to post #2 to do a wicked reading on yourself. you might be so surprised you could start charging your gf. ;)

[soleil]

I see the Tarot as a good device for contemplation. Just looking at all the picture cards, and noticing what emotional reactions they bring up in you for no apparent reason. Looking at the picture cards this way can bring about a good “mirror” of what’s in your subconscious – both positive (strengths) and negative (ego).

Doing Tarot readings on yourself can also bring useful information provided you’ve developed your consciousness to the point where you can use it with some control, i.e. as a clairvoyant, even if an amateur one. But your initial readings may not necessarily be very accurate, as it takes practice to learn accuracy at almost any skill, and I believe Tarot reading is no different.

I guess if you know the full meaning of each card it helps, because there's much wisdom put in. For instance, the Death card means a new beginning, and rarely means physical death. But even physical death is really experienced as new beginning, rather than as a tragedy, It's a tragedy only to the ego. In fact, I understand indigenous cultures all traditionally used to consider a funeral as a time for rejoicing, and many still do so today.

i've gotten the fool, death, devil (this was funny as it fractal-led over to understanding for awakeinadream as well), and hanged man in my personal readings recently. the context in which i received them i wrote down and have at home.

{the devil card experience}
(last week) i was thinking about an old friend. she is someone who i was very good friends with/supposedly best friends.

and after i had my daughter, she got pregnant and we then drifted apart. so i pulled one card on her; asking what that was about? why we stopped being friends?

the card was the devil - XV(trump). then i opened a book (around the world in 78 days tarot) and in summary the book said "better the devil you know then the devil you dont".

and connection to this person to me is....this "good" friend and my mom have the exact same birthday. and my mom and i do NOT get a long at all. funny huh?

[donk]

Thanks for the info, I'm new to this, though my gf gets a reading every now again--seemed pretty helpful...& fun

So can it be done from a distance? Without names (mines Phil ;)) or face-to-face? Or without specific questions? If so, then I volunteer!

Maybe an experiment? More than one reader, then compare & contrast? Lay it on me...I'm not shy, get as personal as you can--posted for everyone, could be educational

hey donk, im very new to the tarot myself. this thread is for others to join in and do readings if they want and share their personal experiences. i would by hopeless to do a reading on you at this time and space. but i could recommend this site for online 3 card reading or one card. http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/free-readings/

i would fully recommend purchasing a deck. they are very cheap on amazon. cheap being $20 or less. :)
i have the thoth tarot deck, but the WST deck is (it seems) most popular. then refer to post #2 to do a wicked reading on yourself. you might be so surprised you could start charging your gf. ;)

I dunno...I got tremendous respect (to the borderline of fear) of messing around with occult stuff.

You see, I am not sensitive at all to any energies or frequencies or anything outside the "normal" 3D 5-sense reality, combined with "knowing" that it is real and there--so I'd rather leave the "unseen" to those who have those abilities.

Me and my best friend growing up played with a ouija board in his house, and he's had an angry ass dude in his house messing with his family ever since...V is always trying to bust out a ouija board and getting hijacked and we've been told there's some sort of portal in our yard...so I'm staying away from anything that attracts any kind of spirits--just cuz she's (and I guess apparently I am) a magnet for ALL types, good and nasty.

Plus I'm lazy, and I got 10 other things on my always procrastinated list of stuff to study...it would be lying to myself to put this on it.

Indigostar did a reading for me when she was starting out (where are you? I miss you!), and it was incredible. You can pm me one if you wanna practise, though if you put it out here I bet you would get an incredible amount of support and helpful criticism/feedback...either way I don't wanna pressure you or put you on the spot at all, I totally understand if it's too soon or you don't want to do wither...just trying to be helpful/encouraging (while soliciting a reading :o)

[Fred Steeves]

Funny the timing of this thread popping up. Just a few days ago I had an old Barnes and Noble gift card that needed using up, and after not finding any particularly interesting books in the Spiritual/Occult section, I opted for a deck of Tarot cards.
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/rider-waite/

Not that I'm THAT into it now, but it is a gaping hole in my occult knowledge.

I did do an on the fly reading of myself after briefly going over the instructions, but of course an extremely uneducated one. My wife wouldn't let me do one for her, it creeped her out. Like: "Oh god, what has Fred dragged home now". (LOL)

[skippy]

Funny the timing of this thread popping up. Just a few days ago I had an old Barnes and Noble gift card that needed using up, and after not finding any particularly interesting books in the Spiritual/Occult section, I opted for a deck of Tarot cards.
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/rider-waite/

Not that I'm THAT into it now, but it is a gaping hole in my occult knowledge.

I did do an on the fly reading of myself after briefly going over the instructions, but of course an extremely uneducated one. My wife wouldn't let me do one for her, it creeped her out. Like: "Oh god, what has Fred dragged home now". (LOL)

The cards that creeps us out the most, are the most worthwhile to mediate upon. They are trying to learn us something about ourselves more than others. Indeed, these cards are like mirrors. At one moment, in our mediation, we have integrated the lesson, archetype if you will. The card will have a new unique meaning. Fascinating stuff. Enjoy the ride!

http://www.letarot.com/jean-dodal/images/scan-web-new/fol-web.jpg
I1wg1DNHbNU

[AwakeInADream]

I did my first ever reading on myself a few days back and I noticed something interesting happen. I'm looking for a job at the moment and so I asked for advice about this and did a very simple spread (past,future,problems,solution). I didn't turn all of the cards over at once because I wanted it to be a surprise and I payed close attention to my initial reactions(intuitions). What I found was that, even though I didn't know the interpretations of each card, my initial instincts about the cards gave me a very clear message about what I'd done in the past and what I should do in the future. What is of even more interest to me is that, after consulting my books for the traditional interpretations, I noticed that as my intellect/ego started to get involved, the message became more and more unclear until it was lost in confusion.

So that was a very useful excercise that showed me just how much the ego can muddy the waters, and that I should always trust the still small voice of my intuition. I'm sure this will begin to work better and better as I start to get a feel for the meanings of each card. Perhaps it was even the act of reading from a book that caused the message to get muddled. Still I was able to keep hold of the first insights that the Tarot cards gave me.:)

Since then I've been picking out one picture card each night for advice on how I should approach the following day, and that is proving very insightful too.:)




this is for awakeinadream:
here is some info i read for the magician card.

the magician is a direct teaching card by experience and by setting an example for others. there is a lesson to be learned.
really detailed link for you on this here including soul lessons and the divinatory meaning.
http://teachmetarot.wordpress.com/part-iii-major-arcana/lesson-2/the-magician-i-upright/


http://teachmetarot.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/the-magician.jpg?w=175&h=300

Thanks Teradactyl!:)

A lesson we can all learn from the magican card, as you can see from the wand in his right hand pointing up to the heavens and his left hand pointing down to the earth, is that we should always try to manifest here on Earth all of the wonders we find in the realms above. So I guess it's also about merging with the Higher Self.:)

[AwakeInADream]

Yes, the Tarot is absolutely amazing. The Major Arcana, the first 22 cards, are windows on the infinite. Just put them in a circle and listen (TARO – ROTA -TORA). Every card is trying to learn you something about the universe, about you. To start the journey, a fool spirit is required. Beingness without prejudice. The fool, is the card with the number 0 or infinite nothingness, empty space. Then you follow the cards from 1 to 21 and meditate on each card. What is each specific card trying to tell you? Enjoy the journey.


Hi Skippy!:)

This is precisely why I bought my Tarot cards in the first place, in order to meditate on them(although I haven't gotten around to trying it yet). I've always wanted to try out 'Pathworking' where you use the cards to make inner imaginative journeys along all of the paths between the Sephiroth on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. In the Lurianic Kabbalah you make the complete journey from the physical world all the way back up to God/Source by The Ladder of Light(Jacobs Ladder) using the same method you mentioned, only in reverse order, starting with XXI The World and ending on card 0 The Fool.

I haven't tried this method yet though because it requires a lot of preparation, memorization of symbols and visualizing of things like the Archangels and such, but I think I might be about ready to attempt just the first stage (Malkuth to Yesod, through XXI The World) some time soon and see what happens.

Is this the sort of thing you do? Or do you keep it simple?

[skippy]

Yes, the Tarot is absolutely amazing. The Major Arcana, the first 22 cards, are windows on the infinite. Just put them in a circle and listen (TARO – ROTA -TORA). Every card is trying to learn you something about the universe, about you. To start the journey, a fool spirit is required. Beingness without prejudice. The fool, is the card with the number 0 or infinite nothingness, empty space. Then you follow the cards from 1 to 21 and meditate on each card. What is each specific card trying to tell you? Enjoy the journey.


Hi Skippy!:)

This is precisely why I bought my Tarot cards in the first place, in order to meditate on them(although I haven't gotten around to trying it yet). I've always wanted to try out 'Pathworking' where you use the cards to make inner imaginative journeys along all of the paths between the Sephiroth on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. In the Lurianic Kabbalah you make the complete journey from the physical world all the way back up to God/Source by The Ladder of Light(Jacobs Ladder) using the same method you mentioned, only in reverse order, starting with XXI The World and ending on card 0 The Fool.

I haven't tried this method yet though because it requires a lot of preparation, memorization of symbols and visualizing of things like the Archangels and such, but I think I might be about ready to attempt just the first stage (Malkuth to Yesod, through XXI The World) some time soon and see what happens.

Is this the sort of thing you do? Or do you keep it simple?

The link with Kaballah is absolutely interesting, but I rather keep it simple, without any preconceived concept or idea. Empty space is required, to listen and hear what the cards have to say. At one moment in time, the cards and the Major Arcana will deliver its secrets to those with ears.

[Earth Angel]

could you possibly post a picture of what this would look like for those of us who are not good a visualizing your instructions? I don't understand all the xxxxxx part of your diagram.....thanks teradactyl




This is the third spread in Edain McCoy's book "Past Life & Karmic Tarot" and is not the Celtic Cross but a variation on the cross known as St. Bridget's Cross (taken from the popular and powerful Irish goddess Brighid, pronounced "breed").

These crosses of woven straw resemble the ever-turning wheel of life cycles, change, and the wheel of the year. The key points to remember about this 10-card spread are:

1. Read all cards in the upright position no matter how they fell when you turned them up. the only exception is Card 1, which should be read as it falls.

2. Read Card 2, the cross-card, as an upright card.

3. Remember that the future life arm of the cross is only applicable to you if you stay on your current life's course, learning nothing from your past. The future is what you make it.

After you have had time to contemplate and implement positive change do this reading again to look for changes in the future.

Layout s best as I can do here:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 10 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 9 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1 XXXXXXXXXXX 7 XXXXX 8
5 XXXXX 6 XXXXXXXX 2 (crossing 1) XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 3 XXXXXXXXXXXXXxxXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx 4 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Card 1: indicates major past-life issue that is affecting your present life, and issue you must overcoem to have the rest of your current life, and your future lives, be transformed into what you want them to be. (this is the only card in the spread that shoudl be read in a reversed position if the card falls naturally into a reversed position.)

Card 2: the infamous cross-card representing an energy, issue, or person who either counters or encourages the karmic traits of the first card. (Cross cards are always read as if they were upright.)

Card 3: the first card that indicates what sort of karma must be dealt with in your current life to ensure a happy life in both your current incarnation and in future ones.

Card 4: shows what you did or did not do correctly in the past that caused your current internal imbalances.

Card 5: shows an issue or a time in your past current life that either began or set you up to begin the karmic repercussions shown in all previous cards. they do not have to be negative in nature, but could be sowing you the positive karma you created that is returning to you.

Card 6: continues the story of Card 5; the same issue or event that is now passing or has recently passed from your current life leaving you on the verge of working out the karmic issues shown in Cards 1 through 4.

Card 7: shows the near future of your current life. You may already be feeling the impact of the karma right now as this energy moveds to the forefront of your life.

Card 8: extends a little further in the future, predicting how you will respond to the foreknowledge given to you in Card 7. Again, this does not have to be a negative issue, but one that shows positive karma coming back to you in the form of a reward. It can also be indicative of a blind spot in your thinking. Take it as a warning to open your mind and expand it to embrace all possible creative solutions.

If you are not happy with the energies depicted in Cards 7, 8, you must remember you are in control of your future. You have the devinegift of free will and you can make any changes you really want to make.

Card 9: represents the early years of a future lifetime in which the karmic issue shown in Card 1 will manifest if the debt is not resolved in your current lifetime.

Card 10: represents the latter part of your future life and shows how the karma begun in a past life will continue to pursue you if you stay on your current path. If Cards 9 and 10 are positive, and you see nothing negative in Cards 7 and 8, you may have already set a course to correct that original karmic blunder. If not, you have now been warned that you must overcome the bad trait, habit, personality aspect, or attitude that will steer yoru future life cards in your desired direction.

{this is an awesome spread; ENJOY!}

[soleil]

I've always wanted to try out 'Pathworking' where you use the cards to make inner imaginative journeys along all of the paths between the Sephiroth on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. In the Lurianic Kabbalah you make the complete journey from the physical world all the way back up to God/Source by The Ladder of Light(Jacobs Ladder) using the same method you mentioned, only in reverse order, starting with XXI The World and ending on card 0 The Fool.

I haven't tried this method yet though because it requires a lot of preparation, memorization of symbols and visualizing of things like the Archangels and such, but I think I might be about ready to attempt just the first stage (Malkuth to Yesod, through XXI The World) some time soon and see what happens.

Is this the sort of thing you do? Or do you keep it simple?

i would be interested in learning more on this. i have barely been able to scratch the surface on kabbalah


could you possibly post a picture of what this would look like for those of us who are not good a visualizing your instructions? I don't understand all the xxxxxx part of your diagram.....thanks teradactyl
of course, i was able to find it here. which helps me understand it more myself.
21574

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i found this link, which had the pictures of spreads. and also listed some new spreads to try.
http://tarotjourney.net/spreads/

Three Cards Spreads
Three cards spreads are amazingly powerful and very effective at answering direct questions.

Background, Problem & Advice Spreads: These spreads give an overview of the situation, talk about a specific challenge and discuss how to address the problem.

Yes/No Spreads:These spreads are designed to help answer yes/no questions

Choice Spreads:These spreads are designed to help with decision making

Interaction Spreads: These spreads are designed to explore the interaction
between to things or two people. The middle card joins the right and left together.

Daily Spreads: These spreads are to be used for daily readings

Progression Spreads: These spreads start with a concept and either expand or contract. From general to specific or from specific to general.

Temporal Spreads: Time and Timing are the major consideration in these spreads.

Levels of Being: These spreads cover multiple levels of being

5 Cards
Relationship Cross: This spread gives and in-depth look at a relationship.

Elemental Spread: This spread explores a topic from 5 aspects according to their elemental attributions.

Situation : Challenge & Solution: This is a temporal spread that also looks at challenges and the unknown.

Situation: Known & Unknown: This spread uses five cards to look at the known & unknown aspects of a situation while giving background, advice and a potential outcome.

Situation & Undercurrent: This spread is a background-problem-advice spread that also looks at the undercurrent and hidden aspects.

X Spread: This spread explores multiple outcomes for a situation.

[Earth Angel]

thank you Teradactyl.......i have had a set of tarot cards for about 30 years and never used them.....a few months back one of the kids was talking about tarot readings and I said I have a set and a book and they said WHERE??? everyone was shocked when I stood up went to a drawer and pulled them out....even I was shocked! I always meant to learn but felt it was too much put down a card read it and try to figure it out......but I will give it another try now!

As for past life, my husband and i went to someone trained in the methods of Michael Newton.....so we had the past life regression one day and the life between lives the following day.....this is the one we really wanted as it takes you to the time between incarnations where you can see your soul group and learn why you came etc. >>> I have to admit I felt like I was making it all up......she would ask me questions and I would come up with an answer.....at the end she said I did great but that she could see I am very hard on myself (hence the constant " I don't think I am doing this right" statements)......I never felt like i wasn't aware of where I was and perhaps this is why I felt like I couldn't trust the information.... but his method calls for a lighter level of hypnosis than is used by many hypnotists.
I have never been able to bring myself to go back and listen to the tapes, perhaps I was not as aware as i think I was ??? perhaps there is info there that I don't remember.

My husband found in the life between life session that he saw a family member who has been nothing but trouble in our lives......we don't speak to him at all now.....he was walking towards my husband with a big smile on his face and my husband thought 'what the hell is HE doing here???"..........this person walked up to him and right through him and he said he felt this enormous wave of love as that happened......he realized that this person is here for a reason, to teach us something, we have all agreed he will play the part of the black sheep for some reason......this helped us both to forgive all he has done to us in the past but he (in this life) is not so loving and kind and does not speak to us ......this hasn't stopped us from reaching out to him but so far nothing has changed, he doesn't see or talk to anyone.

[AwakeInADream]

I've just had a thought that, even if the Tarot cards weren't there at all, just using the format of one of those spreads would be a valuable thinking/decision making tool in itself. Just to clear up your thought processes.

In fact I did try something like this the other night, I drew out a spread design on a piece of paper, asked a question and emptied my mind, and in the manner of TraineeHuman's 30 second meditation exercise (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52121-OBEs-What-are-they-how-to-make-them-happen-and-where-does-the-Higher-Self-fit-in&p=586384&viewfull=1#post586384) I waited for an image to appear in my mind to place in the position each card would be in. I interpreted it in the same way I might interpret a dream with reasonable success.

For those more familiar with Tarot it might also be quite a good idea to do a Tarot reading purely mentally, by waiting for each card to appear on the blank screen in your mind. No physical cards needed. That way you can be more certain that the card was dealt by the Higher Self.

[TraineeHuman]

When I was sixteen I was living in a different city from my father when he died. The night when he died, I had a waking dream involving something to do with a big curtain closing and opaque veils. Not long after I went to bed and as soon as I shut my eyes there was more of the veil symbology and a white light moving slowly from the left side of the screen of my mind to the right side. Somehow I believed I knew for certain at that moment that the right side represented the near future and the left side the near past.

More recently I have learnt that the advertising industry tries to put whatever they consider the most important message about a product in the top half of a poster. This is because psychological studies have found that that's where people subconsciously look for the information that will "steer" how they respond to the poster as a whole.

[skippy]

The Major Arcana of the Tarot. (http://www.neuralnetworkingtrends.org/blog)

[AwakeInADream]

I've always wanted to try out 'Pathworking' where you use the cards to make inner imaginative journeys along all of the paths between the Sephiroth on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. In the Lurianic Kabbalah you make the complete journey from the physical world all the way back up to God/Source by The Ladder of Light(Jacobs Ladder) using the same method you mentioned, only in reverse order, starting with XXI The World and ending on card 0 The Fool.

I haven't tried this method yet though because it requires a lot of preparation, memorization of symbols and visualizing of things like the Archangels and such, but I think I might be about ready to attempt just the first stage (Malkuth to Yesod, through XXI The World) some time soon and see what happens.

Is this the sort of thing you do? Or do you keep it simple?

i would be interested in learning more on this. i have barely been able to scratch the surface on kabbalah


Hi Teradactyl!:) Here's a brief Tarot related overview of The Kabbalah for you.

The Kabbalah can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be, but at it's most basic it is simply a diagram (The Tree of Life) representing how everything in the physical world came to be in manifestation (see image below). The process follows the lightening flash starting at the top with number one(Kether-The Crown) which is God/Source and goes through every number in order until it gets to the physical world, number ten (Malkuth-The Kingdom).

Each circle (or Sephiroth) on the diagram can be seen as a dimension or plain of existence, so number 10 (Malkuth-The Kingdom) would be the 3D world, and number 9 (Yesod-The Foundation) would be The Astral Plain, so the path between 10 and 9 shown below is the same path that we all walk each night as we go to sleep and start to dream. Yesod-The Foundation, number 9 is also called 'The Storehouse of Images' which makes sense since this is where we dream, but it also implies that everything manifest in the physical was first imagined in Yesod(9), and what was imagined in Yesod(9) was first a thought in Hod(8), and so on all the way back up to the Godhead Kether(1).*It should be remembered that each stage in this journey is equally as holy since they are all manifestations of the one God/Source---Everything is Source*

So how the Tarot fits in with the Kabbalah is that there are 22 paths between each of the circles(Sephiroth), and each one can be represented by a Tarot card (or a letter from the Hebrew Alephbet). So the path between 10 and 9, the transition between being awake and asleep is represented by the Tarot card - XXI The World. This adds another element then to any interpretation of the cards when you can also think of each card as a transition between two plains of existence, and in more human terms as modes of consciousness.

Now everyone with a heartbeat will have experienced the parts of the tree labeled 7,8,9 + 10. Those being respectively the worlds of passion,thought,feeling and physical matter. Each level above those are increasingly progressive spiritual experiences starting with awakening at 6 and ending ultimately with the experience of merging with Source in Kether at number 1. So The Tree of Life and The Kabbalah is really just an experiential map of all that is, and how it came to be. A road map home even.:)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=21595&d=1370146132


The Sephiroth
(described as best I can in a few words)

1.Kether-The Crown: This is where you merge with Source, it is 'no-thing' and everything, the mind of God.
2.Chockmah-Wisdom: This contains the experience of seeing God face to Face, also the first stage of creation like the Big Bang where 'no-thing' becomes 'something'.
3.Binah-Understanding: Where pure force begins to take on form.
4.Chesed-Love/Mercy: This is the lowest stage where it is possible to experience God directly. This is where the 'Inner Plane Adepts' live, who no longer need to incarnate.:plane:(in-a-plane get it?:lol:)
5.Geburah-Justice/Severity: This is like the level of consciousness you get with an NDE or after death where your whole life flashes before your eyes, and all of your deeds are judged.
6.Tiphareth-Beauty/Compassion/Balance: The Higher Self lives here.:wave:
7.Netzach-Victory: Passion, desire and creativity.
8.Hod-Splendor/Majesty: The realm of thought.
9.Yesod-The Foundation: The astral plain or feelings, dreams and imagination.
10.Malkuth-The Kingdom: The physical world or the body.


How the Tarot cards fit in with The Tree of Life and the Kabbalah:


http://meta-religion.com/Mathematics/Images/TarotTree.gif

More about Tarot and kabbalah here:http://meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Kabbalah/tarot_and_the_kabbalah.htm#.UalYbECyA24

Asides from each path on the tree being linked to a Tarot card, you can also use the form of the tree itself as a Tarot spread. Here's a link to the spread with an example reading: http://www.netplaces.com/tarot/sixteen-spreads/the-tree-of-life-spread.htm

Also I found a little something about the pathworking meditation I mentioned earlier: http://www.qabalah.dk/pathwork.html
I'd probably prefer to do it in a more natural Shamanic way than the occult ritualistic method shown in that link, but it gives you a good idea of whats involved. Also, because of the way the tree is laid out, you aren't restricted only to traveling up and down a particular order. You can follow any route where there is a path connected, and thus explore the transition between any plane of experience you wish.:)

[soleil]

im going to need to get a book on kabbalah and tree of life with or without tarot involved.
and on that note, i'm going to do this spread tonight.
ive been keeping my readings a minimum of one per day. if i do one on any particular day. ive read that it can be energy depleting.
also i've read many masters started only by doing spreads with the major arcana for the first couple of yrs, until they have been understood.

another thing i read, doing NLP (ive yet to really read in depth on this YET), can help you memorize and learn the cards. an example i read is to go into a post card picture/landscape of your choice, find another picture postcard, step in to that, etc etc, then finally step into the card picture and get a feeling/understanding of what it 'says'...the feeling/intuition will last and make it easier for doing readings/understanding cards.

love beyond love :)

[leavesoftrees]

im going to need to get a book on kabbalah and tree of life with or without tarot involved.
and on that note, i'm going to do this spread tonight.


Best place to study qabalah and Tarot is Builders of the Adytum which offers an extensive correspondence
course on Tarot. These lessons were written by Paul foster Case,

http://www.bota.org

Here is a sample of Paul Foster Case's writing on Introduction to the Tarot to see if it is for you

http://kcbventures.com/pfc/documents/Intro_to_Tarot.pdf

[skippy]

These are the best 2 books, I've found on the subject. It's worth the read.

The Tarot of the Magicians. Oswald Wirth (http://ebookbrowse.com/the-tarot-of-the-magicians-wirth-pdf-d135897760)

Meditations on the Tarot. Anonymous (http://fr.scribd.com/doc/12393125/Anonymous-Classic-Meditations-on-the-Tarot-A-Journey-Into-Christian-Hermetic-Ism)

ps. A friend of mine dedicated his live to restore ancient Tarot decks, particulary the Tarot of Marseille. We had some interesting discussions about the origin and meaning of the Tarot cards, when I visited his house in Britanny, France. Here his website (http://www.tarot-history.com/index.html). The Journey of the Soul representation of the Major Arcana is his idea, see post #25. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59490-Tarot-Discussion-and-Experiences-Past-Life-Karma-Divination&p=682195&viewfull=1#post682195). From his website:

"This text condenses my years of reflection and writings on what we can learn from these images. The complete version is available at editions letarot.com

The 22 Major Arcana of the Tarot are a coded description of the journey through life, from incarnation to liberation, of an individual soul. It is a geographical map which describes the inner itinerary of a being.

Each arcanum represents a stage along the way, a level of achievement. By examining them in order, one after the other, each of us can feel the particular energy which emanates from these images . One may "play at remembering", and find oneself saying, "I, too, have experienced this...." In the end, perhaps he will realize that the Tarot is telling the story of his own life

This is the teaching which the Ancients, master builders of the Medieval cathedrals, chose to entrust to a game of cards. Because of its modest form, because the game was a way to make money, because it spoke through images and not in words, and for doubtless other reasons as well, the message has come down to us."

[soleil]

Thanks for the info, I'm new to this, though my gf gets a reading every now again--seemed pretty helpful...& fun

So can it be done from a distance? Without names (mines Phil ;)) or face-to-face? Or without specific questions? If so, then I volunteer!

Maybe an experiment? More than one reader, then compare & contrast? Lay it on me...I'm not shy, get as personal as you can--posted for everyone, could be educational
i was going to pull one card on you last night donk. and i forgot. i'd like to see what comes out and if it means anything to you :)


Here 2 other great books on the Tarot. These are the best I've found and read on the topic.

http://ebookbrowse.com/the-tarot-of-the-magicians-wirth-pdf-d135897760

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/12393125/Anonymous-Classic-Meditations-on-the-Tarot-A-Journey-Into-Christian-Hermetic-Ism

thank you skippy, i'm definitely going to buy this book.

[skippy]

Here 2 other great books on the Tarot. These are the best I've found and read on the topic.

http://ebookbrowse.com/the-tarot-of-the-magicians-wirth-pdf-d135897760

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/12393125/Anonymous-Classic-Meditations-on-the-Tarot-A-Journey-Into-Christian-Hermetic-Ism

thank you skippy, i'm definitely going to buy this book.

No need to buy. The links are free e-books. It could not be otherwise.

[Team Zen]

Hey there, late to this thread... Has anybody heard of "cartomacie?" I learned it from my mother who learned it from her mother (they're both French). It's using a regular deck of cards, but you only use the cards 7 through Ace, 32 in all. It's pretty spot on as well, I've been doing it for years for myself and others and it's amazing what the cards "see." I'm not too familiar with Tarot, but for me the 32 cards are simpler, but perhaps not as in depth, or they address different things? Although as you deal with the cards you focus on your intention and the answers/guidance you are looking for, and the cards will address it...

[soleil]

Here 2 other great books on the Tarot. These are the best I've found and read on the topic.

http://ebookbrowse.com/the-tarot-of-the-magicians-wirth-pdf-d135897760

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/12393125/Anonymous-Classic-Meditations-on-the-Tarot-A-Journey-Into-Christian-Hermetic-Ism

thank you skippy, i'm definitely going to buy this book.

No need to buy. The links are free e-books. It could not be otherwise.
i know, i've just been the kind of person to want to pick up the book and read all card summaries / teachings. :)
the ebooks, do not satisfy. painted cakes, and all. ;)


Hey there, late to this thread... Has anybody heard of "cartomacie?" I learned it from my mother who learned it from her mother (they're both French). It's using a regular deck of cards, but you only use the cards 7 through Ace, 32 in all. It's pretty spot on as well, I've been doing it for years for myself and others and it's amazing what the cards "see." I'm not too familiar with Tarot, but for me the 32 cards are simpler, but perhaps not as in depth, or they address different things? Although as you deal with the cards you focus on your intention and the answers/guidance you are looking for, and the cards will address it...

thanks team zen, i was going to give that a go, but i'm already on my way to decipher the 78 cards. the only thing i would suppose is missing is the major arcana in a regular deck.

[onawah]

I've used the Tarot for a long time, and other decks as well--also the I Ching, though not as much as I once did.
Oracles for me are among the precious gifts that humanity has been given which show us how connected to spirit we really are, and how magical we are.
It amazes me how oracles work--truly a gift from Great Mystery!
I had a wonderful reading once from a white witch named Anita Shekinah, who trained with a very famous European white witch named Z. Budapest. See: https://www.zbudapest.com/
She told me about the Tarot life card reading, a method of finding the card which governs one's whole life time.
When I discovered that my life card is the Fool, :jester: it explained so much!! :lol:
I learned to view my penchant for taking risks in a different way.
It gave my much less adventurous inner Critic a lot to think about. :haha:
If you haven't had a life card reading yet, here's a distilled version from the explanation taken from the Motherpeace Tarot Playbook by Vicki Noble and Jonathan Tenney

Write down your birthday numbers in a column and add them.
For example, April 13, 1947 or 4/13/1947 would equal 1964.
Then you would add those horizontally and get 20.
The 20th card in the Major Arcana is Judgement, and that card would represent the personality in this reading.
Then adding 2+0=2, you get the number for the soul or life card, which would be the High Priestess.

If the sum is greater than 22, since there are only 22 cards in the Major Arcana, only the final number is used.
For example, if your first total equals 24, you would reduce it to 6, and that would be the card for both your personality and soul card.
This signifies that your soul work is well integrated into your life.

In my case, there is an "oddity". My birthday is 7/29/1948, which adds up to 22, then adds up to 4.
The 4th card in the Major Arcana is the Emperor which is my personality card.
But there is no 22nd Major Arcana card, though there are 22 Major Arcana cards.
The first one is the Fool, but the number for the Fool is zero.
(The last card in the Major Arcana is the 21st card, The World.)
So 22 goes around again to 0, making the Fool my soul or life card.

Those with 2 cards are said to have a specific task we brought with us into this life in addition to our soul work.

[AwakeInADream]

ps. A friend of mine dedicated his live to restore ancient Tarot decks, particulary the Tarot of Marseille. We had some interesting discussions about the origin and meaning of the Tarot cards, when I visited his house in Britanny, France. Here his website (http://www.tarot-history.com/index.html). The Journey of the Soul representation of the Major Arcana is his idea, see post #25. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59490-Tarot-Discussion-and-Experiences-Past-Life-Karma-Divination&p=682195&viewfull=1#post682195).

Hi Skippy!:)

OMG! I think I looked into the future!! 3 days ago I posted a dream in the OBE thread (most of which isn't relevant here), and right at the end of the dream I saw some Tarot cards. I'll just quote this part of it here:



It seems lately that my dreams are starting to immediately respond to whatever it is I'm thinking about at the time. I even had a brief flash of some Tarot cards just before I woke up. They were on a chart, Tarot cards to the left, and to the right of each card was a drawing for each card made up of interlocking rectangles. At the top of the right hand column was the heading 'Vibrational Meter Card' (Meter as in the poetic meter used in hymn's). So this is causing me now to think of the cards in terms of numerology and vibration as it relates to the Hebrew Alephbet. Also 'Meter' makes me think of hymn's and thus The Bible, and there is a section in Psalms now I'm keen to look at where there are 22 verses, each one headed by a Hebrew letter/number, that I may find is related to the Tarot in some way.


Well this image below is from the website of your friend you posted:

http://www.tarot-history.com/Jean-Noblet/images/Noblet-vrac/Noblet-trace-regulateur-transp-3.gif

This really reminds me of that dream with the interlocking rectangles, so maybe the dream was telling me to look at the composition of the images of the Marseille deck. Maybe I even saw your post in the future. How very strange.....



I had a wonderful reading once from a white witch named Anita Shekinah, who trained with a very famous European white witch whose name slips my mind now.
She told me about the Tarot life card reading, a method of finding the card which governs one's whole life time.


Thanks Onawah!:) Fascinating concept! I've just worked out my Life/Soul card to be XI Strength, and by some happy synchronicity this is the same card that I'd pulled out for myself just hours earlier when I asked the cards how I should approach the next day.:)

[onawah]

Synchronicity happens! :lol:

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I had a wonderful reading once from a white witch named Anita Shekinah, who trained with a very famous European white witch whose name slips my mind now.
She told me about the Tarot life card reading, a method of finding the card which governs one's whole life time.


Thanks Onawah!:) Fascinating concept! I've just worked out my Life/Soul card to be XI Strength, and by some happy synchronicity this is the same card that I'd pulled out for myself just hours earlier when I asked the cards how I should approach the next day.:)

[MariaDine]

Hello friends :)

Great tool , the tarot.
Nowadays, I have to confess, I use it only for very short time span readings. I explain.
I no longer trust the meddium, long time predictions. Due to the concurrence of several timelines, since more or less 1989, many of the «projections« don't come true in this time line...so, what is «seen» in the cards may come to pass, yes..., but in a diferrent time line.

Namasté

[soleil]

Thanks for the info, I'm new to this, though my gf gets a reading every now again--seemed pretty helpful...& fun

So can it be done from a distance? Without names (mines Phil ;)) or face-to-face? Or without specific questions? If so, then I volunteer!

Maybe an experiment? More than one reader, then compare & contrast? Lay it on me...I'm not shy, get as personal as you can--posted for everyone, could be educational

donk, this morning i decided to pull a card for you/on you. now i dont know you at all, and couldnt picture you, so i pictured your name, "donk" ;) LOL
what i got was, the 5 of disks. worry.

Five of Disks - Worry

Tree of Life: Geburah through Earth
Astrology: Mercury in the 1. decan of Taurus

The Five of Disks finds itself in the changing movements of Geburah, but this is not the wellbalanced change of the Two of Disks, but an imbalanced, disruptive change, the effect of the 5 breaking up the stability of the 4, destroying its structure and balance.

So the Five of Disks represents a material crisis, which can also be a crisis in home and profession, an illness or injury, anything that disturbs or destroys the material, peaceful security of the Four.

There is not much to find when looking for the bright sight of the card, nevertheless it is a fact that every burning of a forest results in many little sprouts that appear afterwards, having the most fertile ground in the ashes. But of course, the old forest doesn't need to burn down completely - the card can also talk of the worry that it might do so just because it burns somewhere in the near.


Drive: Material crisis, worry about material things or health

Light: Reconsidering of values, managing to get along in hard times

Shadow: Fear, loss, failure, destruction, hindering, unpredictable changes to the bad, worsening circumstances

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ANOTHER SITE INTERPRETATION OF 5 OF PENTACLES

Tarot Card Interpretation & Meaning - 5 Of Pentacles

Introduction: The 5 of Pentacles can point to a time when life is feeling less than secure. The important thing to remember is that there is always help available when we need it, from forces both seen and unseen. You may feel alone, but you have the capacity to change that. Reach out.
General: In general, the 5 of Pentacles points to a feeling of being left out in the cold, as though everyone else in the world has everything and you are the only one that is suffering. Realize that this is not the case. Do the best you can, with what you have, but remember that the wise thing to do, if one needs help, is to go out and ask for it. The help you need will come.

Work: Work can be either burdensome or non-existent when this card appears, and you may be feeling stuck. Know that you do not have to stay in a situation that is not healthy or workable for you, have faith in yourself and the universe that changes are possible. You don't have to do everything all on your own. If you need a new position, ask everyone you know for possibilities. Things will get better. Have faith!

Love: The 5 of Pentacles is not a particularly happy indicator when it comes to love questions, unfortunately. You may have your eye on someone who you feel is not treating you the way they should. It may be that you need to stop fantasizing about this person entirely. This card can be very much a card of feeling left out in the cold. It's important to remember that there is never only one person that we can be with and have a soul-level, happy, meaningful relationship. When love is right, you don't have to do back flips to make it work. Broaden your horizons and try hard to think positively. You are not an unlovable troll.

Finances: You may feel as though all is lost with regard to money. Take a deep breath and re-think. You are not all alone with no help, even if you don't know anyone at all in your immediate surroundings. Reconsider things, skills, and situations, that you may have dismissed. If you need financial help, don' t be too proud to ask for it. There is always something that can be done to put food on the table. This period is temporary. Be sure you are getting good, workable advice.

Health: Due to other stressors you may be blowing small health issues out of all proportion. Be sure to get things evaluated (even if you have no money and no health insurance, there is always a way to get treatment if you are persistent) and then do the best you can to take care of them. Meditation and relaxation is key to improving your health. Meditate even if all you can manage is 30 seconds at a time.

Spirituality: Remind yourself of the reality that nothing lasts forever, particularly if you are having a difficult time, as this card often indicates. Also stay mindful of the reality that we are all connected and that allowing someone to help you is a blessing to THEM as well as a blessing to you. Do not try to do everything all on your own. Have faith that things will get better - because they will.



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Five of Pentacles
Another famous card. Two poor folk sit outside a church with five pentacles on its stained glass window. This is a card that predicts loss, financial loss, bad luck, a set-back in health. It is a difficult time, as all fives are. The poor folk feel embarrassed by their poverty, but they are too proud to ask for help, preferring to rely on each other rather than begging alms from the rich church.
This card relates as well to the Hierophant's emphasis on community and social norms. In some views of the card those out in the storm have chosen to be out there. The "church" disapproves of them or their relationships and rather than conform to traditional standards, they stay outside. Similar to the other fives, there is, once again, the issue of pride and humility.

The problem, "How can I survive this impoverished time without surrendering my pride?"

The answer: "You have to reconsider your values."

While those in this card may have lost material things, even the respect of society, they still have each other. Such times teach us who our real friends are, who is honestly generous, and what really matters to us.

When times are good again, we will remember what we learned in these hard times and not be fooled by sham friendships or capricious social regard. We will know who and what we can really trust.

how'd i do? , does this mean anything to you? phil?


Hello friends :)

Great tool , the tarot.
Nowadays, I have to confess, I use it only for very short time span readings. I explain.
I no longer trust the meddium, long time predictions. Due to the concurrence of several timelines, since more or less 1989, many of the «projections« don't come true in this time line...so, what is «seen» in the cards may come to pass, yes..., but in a diferrent time line.

Namasté

thanks mariadine, i appreciate that. i try not to pull any cards to be divinatory for the future. i usually am looking for is "what is", "what is my guided direction", "what is the explanation for 'x' situation/'y' person in my life(past/present)....etc.

[donk]

Ok...my initial thoughts, I'd have fallen on the floor if you pulled this yesterday and possibly freaked out if it was the day before. It totally resonates, though seems to capture the very recent past. I feel that right now, the last few events and moments of my life within the last 24-48 hours built from this.

So not having read this whole thread or having any idea of the mechanics of the tarot, I am wondering what it means you pulled just one card? I'd be excited to see what the next pull reveals, and wonder how much of this is also for you.

I'm not intuitive but my first guess was that it was as much for you as it is for me, it would take days and come out a novel how much it does specifically relate to me...though it is so vague and broad I wonder if you share my first association with worry and the first couple thoughts on it: that more than anything else, I worry my good intentions and especially decisions are going make current situations worse? I wonder if you have same worry that I do: which is any confidence in my own (unfamiliar) power or knowledge is unfounded and ultimately harmful?

If not (or maybe especially...if so)...perhaps pull another card? Or even do a full reading? See where the cards fall? What you feel when you're doing it? I think you're on the right track, and putting it out there allows those that actually would know better to provide feedback either way...

There's a pic of me (& a shopped pic, the Mohawk is not what I'm normally rocking) in my profile thingy if that helps at all. Thee house in my avatar is my next door neighbor's but looks exactly like mine (& the heart was heading that way :) ). Thanks so much for what you've done, even if it is what you feel is enough. Trust your heart (it seems good to me)

[soleil]

before i continue reading, the 5 of disks meant nothing to me personally. it was purely for you. :) for example, this morning BEFORE doing one card for you, i did one card for me (7 wands - holla! as i asked if i should begin my own business,i already have a product in mind, made and everything) and my fiance did a reading, but he pulled princess of wands 3 times!!! in a row!!! (im pretty sure it was even after shuffling, that was hilarious)

so in my mind, this was ALL you dude.


one card is just for a simple reading. i suppose, donk the skies are the limit for what i probably could read.

do you have a specific question i can ask on your behalf?

also, the success of the card(s) that i pull (for you, or for anyone else besides myself) will surely only mean something to you as long as i have your permission/your higher self's permission.

AND i'm going on a limb to say, this card (from THIS morning) was to represent how tarot is/can be real/correct/and mean something, to you. :) im sure thats all it was, perhaps your HS (soul) wants to say, hey, im here, this is us, this is what we're feeling...etc.

[donk]

What's it mean to pull one card then?

[soleil]

its just one message out of many.

found this:

The single card tarot is used to provide a concise reading, keeping the focus succinct and to the point.

This type of reading can be helpful when requiring a more defined answer, it’s like looking at a reading under a magnifying glass!

[donk]

Oh and about my name...the only other two readings I ever had (both remotely), the reader dropped a card (donk!!)

[donk]

before i continue reading, the 5 of disks meant nothing to me personally. it was purely for you. :) for example, this morning BEFORE doing one card for you, i did one card for me (7 wands - holla! as i asked if i should begin my own business,i already have a product in mind, made and everything) and my fiance did a reading, but he pulled princess of wands 3 times!!! in a row!!! (im pretty sure it was even after shuffling, that was hilarious)

so in my mind, this was ALL you dude.


one card is just for a simple reading. i suppose, donk the skies are the limit for what i probably could read.

do you have a specific question i can ask on your behalf?

also, the success of the card(s) that i pull (for you, or for anyone else besides myself) will surely only mean something to you as long as i have your permission/your higher self's permission.

AND i'm going on a limb to say, this card (from THIS morning) was to represent how tarot is/can be real/correct/and mean something, to you. :) im sure thats all it was, perhaps your HS (soul) wants to say, hey, im here, this is us, this is what we're feeling...etc.

Well, like I said, I could write a novel on how relates--so my question is: am I going in the right direction?

My biggest worry a week ago was reaching out and even more worrying FINDING guidance...it came to me at least four huge ways...besides you (#5). Now that I got it, is the direction I'm going the one I will be happiest with, as I walk the path?

[soleil]

hey donk, so this morning i kept it simple, so you're going to have to tell me if it means anything to you.

one card call, to answer your question. i asked, is donk making the right decisions in his life?
7Disks

then i did 3 more cards. i thought, lets do past present future of donk.
past 10 wands
present VI lovers (reverse) - im sure you can still read this as if straight up.
future 6 swords (reverse) - same as above.

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meanings
7disks: Seven of Pentacles
Tarot Card Interpretation & Meaning - 7 Of Pentacles

Introduction: The 7 of Pentacles is very often a card about returns on investments. This can be literal such as a bank account returning money to you, or figuratively, such as the investments of time, effort, and energy that you have put into a relationship. You will be reaping what you have sown. This is generally positive.
General: In general, you should be feeling more secure than you have in a while. Things will be moving along well, and you'll be feeling hopeful about the future - with good cause. You may have to decide whether to put your energy into the things, people, and situations that you already are involved with, or whether to spend your energy trying to bring more into your life. Choose wisely.

Work: Your work is likely to be going smoothly and you will be reaping the rewards of past efforts - what is happening now or in the immediate future will be a direct result of what you have done in the past. Your finances are likely to be flowing well - you may not be "rolling" in money but you will certainly have enough to get by, and then some.

Love: With regard to love, the 7 of Pentacles points to things going well for the person that you have your heart set on. If you are not in a committed relationship, you need to be open to other possibilities, however. None of us have just one person that is the ONLY person that we can be with and have a deep, soulful, happy relationship. Don't give in to feelings of suspicion or fear. All is well.

Finances: This card is an excellent omen for finances. You are likely to have invested wisely, either in terms of traditional investments or in terms of your time and energy. This is not a time to gamble, however. Being conservative and thoughtful about where you put your resources (especially new-found resources) is key.

Health: You are reaping the results of your past behavior. It's never too late to improve this, however. Today sows the seeds of your tomorrow, very often. Examine your belief system. Do you see yourself as someone who is sick, or someone who is filled with health? Even if you are stressed to the utmost regarding your time and energy, you can take two seconds out of your day to think positively.

Spirituality: You will be focused on the reality that life is cyclical, and that what goes around always, without fail, will come around. Remember that when you make a point to be generous - whether with time, energy, or money - that too is an investment in your own future. Share what you have. Accept gratefully what you are given.

past, 10 wands
Tarot Card Interpretation & Meaning - 10 Of Wands

Introduction: When the 10 of Wands appears, you may feel as though you are carrying a very heavy burden. You may want to look hard at this and see if there are any ways that you might"lighten your load either literally or figuratively. If you look carefully you may find that part of the burden you are carrying emotionally actually belongs to someone else. It will be important for you to pace yourself now. Don't try to do too much.
General: Sometimes the 10 of Wands indicates that you have been too successful and would be well-served by scaling back. You are probably tired, you've been working very hard, personally and professionally, and could use a break. Give yourself one.

Work: Your workload may be unrealistically heavy now. Don't hesitate to ask for help or ask questions, and if your supervisors or a colleague comes to you with a request for something new on top of your already incredibly overflowing plate, ask them which thing you should not do to make room to do the new thing? If you are looking for a position without much success, do not lose heart. Keep trying, and you cannot fail.

Love: The appearance of the 10 usually signifies a hard place in a relationship. It can be that your beloved is undergoing a rough time that has nothing to do with your relationship but needs your support. Most often, however, it indicates that there is something in the relationship which needs to be examined, looked at, and considered. You will not gain by pretending that there are no problems. If you're in the market for love, do not despair. Your time will eventually come, but perhaps now is a good time to halt your search and just take some time for rest and reflection.

Finances: You are probably feeling over-burdened and stressed about money when this card appears in the context of a financial question. You will be best served by looking at your situation calmly and dispassionately, and making a plan. A wise man said "expect the best, but plan for the worst." You can do both things now. Avoiding the problems will not make them disappear. Be creative in your problem-solving and don't hesitate to ask for help if you need it.

Health: Stress may have taken a serious toll on your body, but there are things that you can do to re-build. First of all, calm down. Secondly, be sure that you are getting adequate rest and sleep. Then consider supplementation if you need it; stress is particularly bad about depleting the vitamins in your body. Massage and vacation can work wonders now. If fatigue and sleeplessness and physical problems have persisted, get treatment - even if you have no money and no health insurance, there is help available to you. Find it.

Spirituality: Don't be afraid to reach out for assistance if you need it. But you also have to learn when enough is enough, and when it is time to get out from under your burdens. The major theme here is to take good care of yourself, in every way, as to do so is especially critical now.

present, VI Lovers

Tarot Card Interpretation & Meaning - (6) The Lovers

Introduction: The Lovers is associated with the astrological sign of Gemini, "The Twins." It almost always points to partnerships with just one other person; generally, and not surprisingly, this indicates a romantic partnership, but of course this is not always the case. Less frequently, it points to the duality that all of us have inwardly - between male/female, yin/yang, approach/avoidance, and the like.
General: It's possible when this card appears that you are feeling ambivalent about a relationship or situation in your life. It could be that your heart is telling you one thing, and your head, another. In general, the thing to do is (within the bounds of your morality) to follow your heart. Some people say there are only two modes that any of us are operating under at any time; and that's "fear" or "love." When you can: choose love.

Work: You may be facing a choice or decision in relation to work. Analyze all available information, then make your best choice. It's possible that what you initially interpret as a bad thing will turn out to work in your favor. Be cautious about mixing business with romance; if you chose to go there, make sure you know exactly what the stakes are.

Love: When this card appears, it usually means this time is likely to bring LOVE in capital letters to the center stage of your life. This is either a new relationship, or a powerful re-bonding of an old one. Either way you will be quite happy about how romance is going and others will likely remark that you are "glowing." This is serious stuff. It could mean, even in a new relationship, where you are meeting each other's families and talking about "forever." Again, share your joy with those around you who need it. Life will feel blissful to you now, which is wonderful.

Finances: Things are likely to be going so blissfully for you romantically that it would be easy for you to lose track of where you are with your personal/financial life. Most things can wait, of course, but some things absolutely can not so just be sure that you don't lose sight of the things you really must do.

Health: If you are facing health challenges, know that the right partner to help you get back to wholeness will come to you. Whether that's a traditional doctor, nurse, or healer depends a great deal on your preferences and choice in life. Again, if you are facing challenges, think deeply about your current understanding about health and wellness, and undertaking any healing affirmations/forgiveness work that you may need to do.

Spirituality: Again, working with a special person, like a mentor or leader that you have faith in can help you along your spiritual journey. However, don't blindly follow; question everything, listen to your heart and your gut reactions; take what is offered that is helpful to you, and disregard the rest. A mentor may be getting ready to come into your life. Remember the old saying: "When the student is ready, the teacher appears."

future, 6 swords
Tarot Card Interpretation & Meaning - 6 Of Swords

Introduction: When the 6 of Swords appears, this is a great time for travel of any sort. It also can indicate metaphorical movement, a change in where you are inwardly. Usually this is a change for the better, whether the context is internal or external. Think about where you want to be.
General: Generally the 6 shows at least a slight reduction in stress and strain. Things may not be perfect, but they are going to be better than they may have been in the recent past. Take this time to get your head above water and decide where you're going from here. Even a short break or change of scenery will be helpful. This doesn't have to cost money.

Work: You may make the decision or be in the process of leaving a job that no longer works for you. Trust that the universe is taking you to where you want to be, and that all this is happening for a reason. Don't hesitate to ask for help or to seek new information as you are getting your bearings in your new environment. The 6 can also point to a literal change in the place where you do business. This is a good thing.

Love: In the context of love, the 6 of Swords can depict the need for a change of scenery. If you are already in a relationship, take your beloved on a trip, even if it's just down the street for a picnic or something of the sort. If you're looking for love, this card points to a need to get out of your routines and your usual haunts if you want to meet someone new. Explore.

Finances: The appearance of the 6 of Swords can literally mean that your financial tide is turning; for the better if you've been struggling, or for the worse, if you've been "riding high" for some time. If it's the former, you might treat yourself to something small but don't get carried away, use your influx of money wisely. If it's the latter, batten down the hatches. Now is not the time to gamble, in either situation.

Health: If you are dealing with a health problem, your usual health care practitioner may not be the best one to help you. If you can do so, look into clinics and treatment outside your local area. Barring a serious health problem, this card can show that what you truly need most of all is a vacation or a change of scenery. Find a way to give this to yourself, even if the only way you can do it is just by talking to people you've never talked to before.

Spirituality: Some spiritual answers that have eluded you for some time may come in to your awareness suddenly. This is sometimes tied to a change in routine; travel, or experimenting with different spiritual traditions. Pay attention to your dreams. They often show you things you miss during your waking hours.

(from here: http://www.psychic-revelation.com/reference/q_t/tarot/tarot_cards/

[soleil]

if i didnt know any better, that SHOULD mean something to you bud!:wizard: :llama:

i should probably add, that i actually pulled princess of cups first before 7disks. i actually discounted it because i kept getting it for myself recently, but it actually might mean something to you about your decision making ability.

answer #1 princess/page of cups
Tarot Card Interpretation & Meaning - Page Of Cups

Introduction: When the Page of Cups appears, it's a signal to allow the childlike side of yourself to come forward. Like most of the Cups suit, the Page is an uplifting and encouraging sign to receive in a tarot reading. It also can indicate that someone - likely someone who is younger than you, is coming your way before long with a message for you.
General: In general, this card shows a need to play, to dream, to have a little fun. When this card appears, it sometimes means that you've been taking yourself far too seriously. Margot Fonteyn said "The one important thing I have learned over the years is the difference between taking one's work seriously and taking one's self seriously. The first is imperative and the second is disastrous." Know the difference.

Work: Even if things have been lousy in your job for the last ten years, the appearance of this card shows that there is cause for hope and positive anticipation. No matter who you are, you have professional options. Life can change on a dime, and sometimes those changes are positive. If you're unhappy in your current work, know that you hold the key to changing it.

Love: A younger person (even younger by a few days) may be part of your love scenario. Remember that love doesn't know of age, don't discount people who are younger purely on that basis! This card in the context of love can mean that someone is about to sweep you off your feet. Give them a chance.

Finances: If your finances are in a holding pattern because of decisions that must be made by someone else, the appearance of this card says that the time is growing nigh. Your financial situation is likely to take a turn for the better. If you're in the market for a/some big ticket items, don't scrimp on your homework.

Health: Listen to your body with great care and great compassion. What might it be telling you? For example, if you're having back pain, are you carrying (literally or figuratively) too much?

Spirituality: You may need to revisit your spiritual rituals if your traditions have begun to feel stale. It might be helpful to give yourself the time and space to consider if or where you can pursue new spiritual information that might be interesting to you. Explore. Read spiritual things from other traditions/belief systems than your own.

[donk]

Uncanny. Makes me think you stacked the deck ;) joking!!...Definitely something to it...you're definitely dialed in

Totally resonates, the past and present especially. I've only read through it once so when I get to chance to go over it again I'll try to provide more feedback. Thanks so much!

[donk]

Big fan of princess card, thanks I needed that. Definitely too serious lately!