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jiminii
29th May 2013, 15:07
how to play this game.
and even I made a mistake by evaluating other people's post
1 you write up your best shot on the most ideal scene you would like to see happen to this planet
2. this must be your own creation
3. do not say anything negative thoughts or evaluations about anyone else's best shot ...
4. if you agree to someone else's post just click the "thank you" button.
sorry if anyone misunderstood this post ...
you see I am trying to write this thing and still keep it a game ..and keep it light . but I see anyone who reads will try to find what ever bad they can hint at and destroy the thread
so I am cleaning what I said before and make very clear "you are playing with the future of your existence for the next trillion trillion years .so you better look before you decide to throw in your negative statements and it would not be me that is doing this to you ... it would be you doing it to yourself ... you just have no idea how powerful thoughts are"
to my understanding ... I am in communication with base 2 ... and I am always getting auditing
this write up comes from free zone ... but it is also approved from base 2 because it is very familiar to me ...
whether the person who originally wrote this is from base 2 or free zone here I don't know ... but I do know this is all coming from base 2 ... in this way
we are managing those who chose to come back to this time to salvage this sector .. in this point in time .. the truth is there are spirit beings trapped all up and down this time track for the last trillions and trillions of years and we are trying to salvage them too .
Cathy is on this planet but she has a body on base 2
she is just observing what I am doing on this website and it is the first time I tried to do this
if anyone wants to know what base 2 is like she can tell you .. depends if she wants to come on line and get kicked in the head over and over again trying to tell her truth ... just like I see what they do to any of the rest of us like Inelia or anyone else ...
I am trying to get you a workable way that we know works that will bring you back home ... you can try it if you like .. totally up to you
someone from free zone contacted me from this site and wanted me to get into this game ... it looks ok to me .. anyone of course can come in and try to destroy the thread ...
I haven't been in communication with scientology or free zone for years I am here holding asia and I know there are others holding the americas and europe and africa
we have in the future dedicated ourselves to undoing this entire time track of pain so we can get into a much better game in newer universe that doesn't work on pain ...
this is absolute truth just as someone has said before ... we are 100 percent responsible for ALL OF IT
if you like pain you are welcome to stay here ...
but if we have to run this period of time again and again ... we would like to get 100 percent if we can but there are those who won't come back until they are the last man standing .. alone and that is probably what we'll have to do ... .. when they have no one they can hurt anymore and no place left to go they might get tired of being here and decide to come home
we are making this run again .. this period of time has already happened ,.. and it takes a lot of time to rerun these periods of time ... so maybe we can catch you on the next run and I don't know when that will be ... could be millions of years since we are handling all those all up and down the time track who are willing to come now
I have kept this planet safe .. none of the previous pole shift predictions worked and they are even using HAARP to heat up the places where volcanoes are to try to erupt them and try to make earthquakes and I am doing my best to keep the planet cool .. if you want to fight this thread ... it is up to you.
you make your own future .. this I know for sure
jim
The purpose is to inform all beings there is a new civilization game for planet earth that will be contributed to from the most power on base 2 and to all the most powerful on this planet ... you KNOW who you are .. and to anyone else who wants to join in and play this game.
To all earth people who wish to play this game.
1. Take the planet into your session space. (this means get the idea of the space of the planet )
2. Inform all beings about the first purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To actively put our Home Planet Earth in order, maintaining its Natural Balance for the survival of the New Civilization and preventing, restraining and/or ceasing to co-operate with those who would destroy our Home."
3. Localize all beings, who want to destroy our Home. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
4. Inform all beings about the second purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To viably develop the technology and equipment for free enterprise and private and public travel to other planets and systems for the expansion of the New Civilization and to protest loudly and refuse to co-operate with those who would keep and use these developments for purely military , destructive or other suppressive intentions."
5. Localize all beings, who would keep and use these developments for purely military, destructive or other suppressive actions. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
6. Inform all beings about the third purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To make available technology, products, goods and services for all the peoples of Earth and develop the capability to export surpluses to other planets and systems, decrying (denouncing) and refusing to co-operate with those who would keep people unemployed, ignorant, poor, underfed and unhealthy for suppressive reasons of their own."
7. Localize all beings, who would keep people unemployed, ignorant, poor, underfed and unhealthy for suppressive reasons of their own. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
8. Inform all beings about the fourth purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To develop, standardize and get in use a stable mediums of exchange so that the New Civilization can confidently flourish and prosper without inflations, deflations and depressions. And to educate people in basic economics so that they NEVER fall prey to or support those persons and groups who use economics to suppress."
9. Localize all beings, who use economics to suppress. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
10. Inform all beings about the fifth purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To recognize, validate and support all types of creative endeavors and pro-survival and pro-expansion activities, cherishing one's own freedom as the key to achievement of ALL the New Civilization's purposes." And actively resisting and defeating any attempt to limit or regulate ones freedom or rights in the New Civilization Game."
11. Localize all beings, who tries to limit or regulate ones freedom or rights in the New Civilization Game. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
14. Invite all beings to play with us the New Civilization Game.
15. Give all beings the following information:
THE NEW CIVILIZATION IS THE ALTERNATIVE
The New Civilization knows:
You have the power.
You have the freedom.
You have the purposes.
You have the knowledge of how to play the game.
You have the right to your own sanity and will not agree to insane uses of power.
You have the right to leave any game you don't like, take your power, knowledge, and purposes with you and join another, start another, or just not play.
You WILL enjoy the New Civilization Game, if decide to play.
That if you do decide to play, you - and ALL of an this planet - will win.
This means ALL including anyone from the Stars ... who want to do trade with this planet.
jim
WhiteFeather
29th May 2013, 15:25
I rolled the dice, moved my game piece and landed on The Free Energy space ;) (Hence free parking) on the game board. My intentions are to unlock with my power of intentions all supressed Free Energy Devices from within my space and the space i landed on. Great game Jim. Whos next.
northstar
29th May 2013, 15:45
Oh! I like games!!
I will choose an old fashioned broom for my game piece, because it
1. lets me sweep all the evil, destructive riff-raff out the door and
2. it is a witchy, magical flying machine.
What fun! :yes4:
http://www.nma.gov.au/collections-search/atsiaa/media.php?irn=61471&image=yes&size=lrg
With my witchy broom I move ahead 3 spaces and brush evil GMO scientists out the door with a nice big clean righteous hurricane graciously assisted by earth mother Gaia. Heehee - the evil mad scientists are twirling through the sky but Earth Mother Gaia sets them down gently on a big pile of :cow: manure. They get up and having learned their lessons, run for the hills. I laugh at their antics. In this fun game the GMO food terrorists do not seem very powerful at all!
I use my power, freedom and purpose to empty my home of every single food that contains any GMO ingredients. I feel happy and uplifted just thinking about this. The cells in my body are saying "yes!". I accept that I will no longer be able to eat at fast food restaurants or buy processed food, until agribusiness companies are willing to label their foods.
I have a vision of babies being born right now who will not suffer organ damage and cancer due to the fact that we "played" toxic GMO foods out of existence. This is a fun game, I like it!
My loving intention is for all children to know love and
and grow in a healthy, peaceful and safe enviornment.
I localize all the child molestors, manipulators and
politicians who abuse and suppress any child
and their natural rights and freedoms to learn
and love.
Billy
29th May 2013, 16:56
The purpose is to inform all beings there is a new civilization game for planet earth that will be contributed to from the most power on base 2 and to all the most powerful on this planet ... you KNOW who you are .. and to anyone else who wants to join in and play this game.
To all earth people who wish to play this game.
4. Inform all beings about the second purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To viably develop the technology and equipment for free enterprise and private and public travel to other planets and systems for the expansion of the New Civilization and to protest loudly and refuse to co-operate with those who would keep and use these developments for purely military , destructive or other suppressive intentions."
This means ALL including anyone from the Stars ... who want to do trade with this planet.
We have the power and they KNOW IT ...
lets take back our planet ...
from all on base 2 and cathy and me
wish you a beautiful new life
jim
Erica (our base 2 co-ordinator )
I love playing the co-creating game. I agree with everything you suggest apart from the highlighted text above,
I do not believe we have the universal right to expand humanity on other planets. That was done to us and look at the pickle it got us in. We hopefully learn the lessons from our own experiences.
Now if you were to say that humanity were to journey to other planets and star systems and assist our universal families on how to achieve peace and create light through free will and choices. Then i could agree 100%
Game on
Peace
"To develop, standardize and get in use a stable mediums of exchange so that the New Civilization can confidently flourish and prosper without inflations, deflations and depressions. And to educate people in basic economics so that they NEVER fall prey to or support those persons and groups who use economics to suppress."
How about we imagine a game where we do things because they need to be done, cuz it's the right thing to do, and not expect anything in EXCHANGE???
A game WITHOUT economics, which to me seems to conflict with the idea of FREEDOM...why can't we start there? Or am I the only one that thinks this is nearly 100% of the problem?
After all, all it takes is a few bad apples, right? As long as the opportunity is there, SOMEONE OR SOMETHING WILL TAKE IT...it is foolish to assume otherwise.
Economics implies OWNERSHIP, the antithesis of freedom, and possibly the only tool beside physical force (and is almost always necessarily backed by physical force) that allows this suppression you decry.
I feel like I'm absolutely insane...no one else can imagine life without OWNERSHIP?
Ba-ba-Ra
29th May 2013, 18:01
My game piece will be a gun - hold on, before you react - this is a special gun that has the ability to mutate all other guns to be like it - and when the trigger is pulled, music comes out.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_NjBIQ-E_Do/TnN5k51G6DI/AAAAAAAABM0/k_9TLQwJ-bk/s1600/Animals-fail-with-guns-pictures-1.jpg
(Ooops, couldn't figure out how to print this picture, if someone can do it for me, would appreciate.)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_NjBIQ-E_Do/TnN5k51G6DI/AAAAAAAABM0/k_9TLQwJ-bk/s1600/Animals-fail-with-guns-pictures-1.jpg
My game piece will be a gun - hold on, before you react - this is a special gun that has the ability to mutate all other guns to be like it - and when the trigger is pulled, music comes out.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_NjBIQ-E_Do/TnN5k51G6DI/AAAAAAAABM0/k_9TLQwJ-bk/s1600/Animals-fail-with-guns-pictures-1.jpg
(Ooops, couldn't figure out how to print this picture, if someone can do it for me, would appreciate.)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_NjBIQ-E_Do/TnN5k51G6DI/AAAAAAAABM0/k_9TLQwJ-bk/s1600/Animals-fail-with-guns-pictures-1.jpg
Ba-ba-Ra
29th May 2013, 19:59
Thanks Ulli!!
DevilPigeon
29th May 2013, 20:11
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I started playing but landed on a snake square... A bit unlucky really considering I was already on the bottom row! Typical.
RunningDeer
29th May 2013, 23:21
Jiminii, some of your game rules and information matches these links from Bill Robertson.
The New Civilization Game, (http://www.newciv.org/ncn/newcivgame.html) by Bill Robertson.
Captain Bill Robertson - New Civilization Purposes - Scientology.avi
a7prWf8cNo4
Published on May 8, 2012
The New Civilization Game
DEFINITION:
A CIVILIZATION is an economic engine that runs on ideas and whose products are:
Survival of its dynamic components and Expansion of its knowledge, responsibility and control; its affinity, reality and Communication; its matter, energy, space and time; its ethics, technology and administration.
When ideas or its economics are suppressed it goes negative, contracts, and wastes or destroys its dynamic components, i.e. people, families, groups, businesses, organizations, governments, races, species, animal and plant life, physical environment, energy sources, spaces and time, ideas, spiritual values, beings and religions, aesthetics and art, and its codes of behavior and ethics.
The rescue of a dying civilization is accomplished by: locating and identifying the suppressive influence, supplying a positive alternative, disseminating it as a vector of comparable magnitude, stably financing it, keeping its positive production and exchange free and unregulated, reviewing and correcting as needed to increase its power, distributing its values and aethetics broadly, and responsibly evaluating, planning and coordinating the survival and expansion of its components.
The senior managerial organization on a planet should insure that its civilization (as per above definition) continues to flourish and prosper while guaranteeing maximum freedom for the individual, as the individual is the basic component of a civilization. Understanding this concept broadly will enhance the survival and increase the rate of expansion of the civilization. Suppressive influences can not exist viably under these operating conditions, and soon disappear or are quickly handled.
Definition:
A GAME consists of freedoms, barriers, and purpose. (LRH 1952)
How about we imagine a game where we do things because they need to be done, cuz it's the right thing to do, and not expect anything in EXCHANGE???
A game WITHOUT economics, which to me seems to conflict with the idea of FREEDOM...why can't we start there? Or am I the only one that thinks this is nearly 100% of the problem?
Economics implies OWNERSHIP, the antithesis of freedom, and possibly the only tool beside physical force (and is almost always necessarily backed by physical force) that allows this suppression you decry.
I feel like I'm absolutely insane...no one else can imagine life without OWNERSHIP?Not just you donk. In my "dream" world, there is no money. Zilch. Nada. Then people say "That's cool. We can use the barter system". And I say, nope. No money, no barter. Like you say, donk, everyone helps out doing what needs to be done. And as each person helps the other, so too will they also be helped. Nobody "owns" anything.
jiminii
30th May 2013, 04:21
The purpose is to inform all beings there is a new civilization game for planet earth that will be contributed to from the most power on base 2 and to all the most powerful on this planet ... you KNOW who you are .. and to anyone else who wants to join in and play this game.
To all earth people who wish to play this game.
4. Inform all beings about the second purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To viably develop the technology and equipment for free enterprise and private and public travel to other planets and systems for the expansion of the New Civilization and to protest loudly and refuse to co-operate with those who would keep and use these developments for purely military , destructive or other suppressive intentions."
This means ALL including anyone from the Stars ... who want to do trade with this planet.
We have the power and they KNOW IT ...
lets take back our planet ...
from all on base 2 and cathy and me
wish you a beautiful new life
jim
Erica (our base 2 co-ordinator )
I love playing the co-creating game. I agree with everything you suggest apart from the highlighted text above,
I do not believe we have the universal right to expand humanity on other planets. That was done to us and look at the pickle it got us in. We hopefully learn the lessons from our own experiences.
Now if you were to say that humanity were to journey to other planets and star systems and assist our universal families on how to achieve peace and create light through free will and choices. Then i could agree 100%
Game on
Peace
this would probably come under free choice ... if some people here want to be representatives of earth or trade with other worlds like for example ... where do we dump all the garbage on this planet ... they have planets up there that their only purpose is receiving garbage ... so we would probably put a portal to that place to dump the garbage from here and we would have other portals to receive products from other planets ... similar to olive oil ... the best countries for olive oil come from spain and italy around there ... and they would trade the best products for what they produce ... and other systems might want olive oil and who knows ... just an example ... there are technical people would like a technical world and others maybe want a free exchange barter system .. the best I have seen on this planet is in laos .. how a small village all work together and help each other almost like with no money at all and this is a really beautiful commune .. but it would be someone's choice if he wants that kind of living ... and of course those communes will be protected by our system ...
allowing for free choice ??? that has to be worked ...
jim
jiminii
30th May 2013, 04:31
"To develop, standardize and get in use a stable mediums of exchange so that the New Civilization can confidently flourish and prosper without inflations, deflations and depressions. And to educate people in basic economics so that they NEVER fall prey to or support those persons and groups who use economics to suppress."
How about we imagine a game where we do things because they need to be done, cuz it's the right thing to do, and not expect anything in EXCHANGE???
A game WITHOUT economics, which to me seems to conflict with the idea of FREEDOM...why can't we start there? Or am I the only one that thinks this is nearly 100% of the problem?
After all, all it takes is a few bad apples, right? As long as the opportunity is there, SOMEONE OR SOMETHING WILL TAKE IT...it is foolish to assume otherwise.
Economics implies OWNERSHIP, the antithesis of freedom, and possibly the only tool beside physical force (and is almost always necessarily backed by physical force) that allows this suppression you decry.
I feel like I'm absolutely insane...no one else can imagine life without OWNERSHIP?
the whole reason this entire universe got the way it was ... is basically "OUT EXCHANGE"
exchange can be work or anything that has some form of I give you this and you give me something back ... without it you will end up with freeloaders you don't want to do anything and get everything free
so economics is how you want to make this work .. exchange work for food from the commune ... and this depends on the societies here .. you can separate countries and work out within the countries what the people there would like as a system of exchange ... and see what works best ... then each country can experiment .. those who prefer another system can move to other countries whose system more suits them ... the main thing is DON'T GET STUCK ... if it is not working be able to change the system ... have that as part of the agreements you make up forming the governing body .. how ever you want to have to do the exchanging between countries
this has to be worked too
jim
jiminii
30th May 2013, 04:37
Jiminii, some of your game rules and information matches these links from Bill Robertson.
The New Civilization Game, (http://www.newciv.org/ncn/newcivgame.html) by Bill Robertson.
Captain Bill Robertson - New Civilization Purposes - Scientology.avi
a7prWf8cNo4
Published on May 8, 2012
The New Civilization Game
DEFINITION:
A CIVILIZATION is an economic engine that runs on ideas and whose products are:
Survival of its dynamic components and Expansion of its knowledge, responsibility and control; its affinity, reality and Communication; its matter, energy, space and time; its ethics, technology and administration.
When ideas or its economics are suppressed it goes negative, contracts, and wastes or destroys its dynamic components, i.e. people, families, groups, businesses, organizations, governments, races, species, animal and plant life, physical environment, energy sources, spaces and time, ideas, spiritual values, beings and religions, aesthetics and art, and its codes of behavior and ethics.
The rescue of a dying civilization is accomplished by: locating and identifying the suppressive influence, supplying a positive alternative, disseminating it as a vector of comparable magnitude, stably financing it, keeping its positive production and exchange free and unregulated, reviewing and correcting as needed to increase its power, distributing its values and aethetics broadly, and responsibly evaluating, planning and coordinating the survival and expansion of its components.
The senior managerial organization on a planet should insure that its civilization (as per above definition) continues to flourish and prosper while guaranteeing maximum freedom for the individual, as the individual is the basic component of a civilization. Understanding this concept broadly will enhance the survival and increase the rate of expansion of the civilization. Suppressive influences can not exist viably under these operating conditions, and soon disappear or are quickly handled.
Definition:
A GAME consists of freedoms, barriers, and purpose. (LRH 1952)
yes bill was in communication with LRH by telepathy and all the upper levels too were being worked from base 2 in the future
jim
jiminii
30th May 2013, 04:44
How about we imagine a game where we do things because they need to be done, cuz it's the right thing to do, and not expect anything in EXCHANGE???
A game WITHOUT economics, which to me seems to conflict with the idea of FREEDOM...why can't we start there? Or am I the only one that thinks this is nearly 100% of the problem?
Economics implies OWNERSHIP, the antithesis of freedom, and possibly the only tool beside physical force (and is almost always necessarily backed by physical force) that allows this suppression you decry.
I feel like I'm absolutely insane...no one else can imagine life without OWNERSHIP?Not just you donk. In my "dream" world, there is no money. Zilch. Nada. Then people say "That's cool. We can use the barter system". And I say, nope. No money, no barter. Like you say, donk, everyone helps out doing what needs to be done. And as each person helps the other, so too will they also be helped. Nobody "owns" anything.
ever try to run a car that is not yours ... or an office ???? if you can't take some kind of ownership there will not be any effective control .. you will be too afraid to move a trash can .. change a picture on the wall ... because someone else might complain ... how about you have one computer for 100 people .. you can run yours on the 3rd wednesday of every month
if people can't own something they can't have full authority to do what they want with it ... we all would have to share clothes ... no one can own their shoes ...
jim
How about owning in singular with pairs, for example: in the beginning one for everything , one computer (not two) , one pair of jeans (not hundreds) and so on ... and after you got your "one" thing let`s say one dish, you have to help the others get their own ones too so when we have two people with two dishes (a pair is formed), then as pair , they could go and get their next one thing and at the same time need to help another person that still without their one dish until another pair is formed and so on ... That with the replacement of the money system can be a good choice going forward ... (just thinking loud here)
The Truth Is In There
30th May 2013, 12:27
i don't think it's going to work because we create things based on beliefs that are rooted in our subconscious. mere conscious wishful thinking will hardly do any good imho but nevertheless i wish you all good luck.
wobbegong
30th May 2013, 12:50
...and develop the capability to export surpluses to other planets and systems...
...This means ALL including anyone from the Stars ... who want to do trade with this planet.
...
Let's take back our planet, I agree with that, and I agree with most of the post, except for the phrases I quoted.
Export, trade, ALL star beings included...sounds like something Greer would agree with but I don't think it's a safe policy at the moment.
About surplus: presently one of our biggest problems is distributing what we do have, do you think we would have a surplus if we had solved all of our distribution (and social inequality) problems? And even if we did solve these problems, do you think we should export surplus to other planets instead of slowing down the production of such surplus? We do have only one planet to tap our resources from, shouldn't we leave some for future generations instead of producing surplus and exporting surplus to other planets?
"To develop, standardize and get in use a stable mediums of exchange so that the New Civilization can confidently flourish and prosper without inflations, deflations and depressions. And to educate people in basic economics so that they NEVER fall prey to or support those persons and groups who use economics to suppress."
How about we imagine a game where we do things because they need to be done, cuz it's the right thing to do, and not expect anything in EXCHANGE???
A game WITHOUT economics, which to me seems to conflict with the idea of FREEDOM...why can't we start there? Or am I the only one that thinks this is nearly 100% of the problem?
After all, all it takes is a few bad apples, right? As long as the opportunity is there, SOMEONE OR SOMETHING WILL TAKE IT...it is foolish to assume otherwise.
Economics implies OWNERSHIP, the antithesis of freedom, and possibly the only tool beside physical force (and is almost always necessarily backed by physical force) that allows this suppression you decry.
I feel like I'm absolutely insane...no one else can imagine life without OWNERSHIP?
the whole reason this entire universe got the way it was ... is basically "OUT EXCHANGE"
exchange can be work or anything that has some form of I give you this and you give me something back ... without it you will end up with freeloaders you don't want to do anything and get everything free
so economics is how you want to make this work .. exchange work for food from the commune ... and this depends on the societies here .. you can separate countries and work out within the countries what the people there would like as a system of exchange ... and see what works best ... then each country can experiment .. those who prefer another system can move to other countries whose system more suits them ... the main thing is DON'T GET STUCK ... if it is not working be able to change the system ... have that as part of the agreements you make up forming the governing body .. how ever you want to have to do the exchanging between countries
this has to be worked too
jim
Where are my Christian friends at? I think this is the fallacy that Jesus was on about…or do we not value Jesus’ message of giving (forGIVEness) and unconditional love anymore?
I ain’t worried about freeloaders…besides, this is the craziest thing I ever heard: you don't want to do anything and get everything free…nonsense! I want everything and everyone to be free.
I’ll give “free-loaders” everything I can, even if it is giving them “ignoring them”—forcing them to take responsibility for themselves. It doesn’t mean I will allow anyone to TAKE anything from me that I am not willing to give, but unless we can get into a mindset (as a society) where to give is better than taking, and the only thing that it’s OK to take is responsibility, we're going to end up in the same old mess.
No one needs to own anything, except for responsibility, their sovereignty…themselves. Creating a system without this as the base is an exercise we are currently playing out, and doesn’t seem to be going the way it “should” (as evidenced by this thread), in the minds of most people. It is naïve to believe someday 100% of people will be the way most of us think they should be. The only way to do that is teach truth, love.
What does this mean: the whole reason this entire universe got the way it was ... is basically "OUT EXCHANGE"
I personally believe the universe is the way it is because most beings are tricked into exchanges and contracts and all this bull****, without enough truth (love, light) to make good decisions.
If people were making decisions because that is what is their heart tells them, they know who they are, what they are doing, and why (their purpose), rather than for some “expected return”, the universe would be a lot different, and your game might be plausible. I feel that without that, it is the same exact game. It's a nice thought though, and I got nothing but love for you all
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How about we imagine a game where we do things because they need to be done, cuz it's the right thing to do, and not expect anything in EXCHANGE???
A game WITHOUT economics, which to me seems to conflict with the idea of FREEDOM...why can't we start there? Or am I the only one that thinks this is nearly 100% of the problem?
Economics implies OWNERSHIP, the antithesis of freedom, and possibly the only tool beside physical force (and is almost always necessarily backed by physical force) that allows this suppression you decry.
I feel like I'm absolutely insane...no one else can imagine life without OWNERSHIP?Not just you donk. In my "dream" world, there is no money. Zilch. Nada. Then people say "That's cool. We can use the barter system". And I say, nope. No money, no barter. Like you say, donk, everyone helps out doing what needs to be done. And as each person helps the other, so too will they also be helped. Nobody "owns" anything.
ever try to run a car that is not yours ... or an office ???? if you can't take some kind of ownership there will not be any effective control .. you will be too afraid to move a trash can .. change a picture on the wall ... because someone else might complain ... how about you have one computer for 100 people .. you can run yours on the 3rd wednesday of every month
if people can't own something they can't have full authority to do what they want with it ... we all would have to share clothes ... no one can own their shoes ...
jim
I think this is fear. And silly and unimaginative.
Try imaging a completely different paradigm, not some Randian meritocracy or socialism or whatever twisting (for good intent, but twisting non the less) of the current one.
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Imagine NO POSSESSIONS....I wonder if you can?
jiminii
30th May 2013, 14:33
"To develop, standardize and get in use a stable mediums of exchange so that the New Civilization can confidently flourish and prosper without inflations, deflations and depressions. And to educate people in basic economics so that they NEVER fall prey to or support those persons and groups who use economics to suppress."
How about we imagine a game where we do things because they need to be done, cuz it's the right thing to do, and not expect anything in EXCHANGE???
A game WITHOUT economics, which to me seems to conflict with the idea of FREEDOM...why can't we start there? Or am I the only one that thinks this is nearly 100% of the problem?
After all, all it takes is a few bad apples, right? As long as the opportunity is there, SOMEONE OR SOMETHING WILL TAKE IT...it is foolish to assume otherwise.
Economics implies OWNERSHIP, the antithesis of freedom, and possibly the only tool beside physical force (and is almost always necessarily backed by physical force) that allows this suppression you decry.
I feel like I'm absolutely insane...no one else can imagine life without OWNERSHIP?
the whole reason this entire universe got the way it was ... is basically "OUT EXCHANGE"
exchange can be work or anything that has some form of I give you this and you give me something back ... without it you will end up with freeloaders you don't want to do anything and get everything free
so economics is how you want to make this work .. exchange work for food from the commune ... and this depends on the societies here .. you can separate countries and work out within the countries what the people there would like as a system of exchange ... and see what works best ... then each country can experiment .. those who prefer another system can move to other countries whose system more suits them ... the main thing is DON'T GET STUCK ... if it is not working be able to change the system ... have that as part of the agreements you make up forming the governing body .. how ever you want to have to do the exchanging between countries
this has to be worked too
jim
Where are my Christian friends at? I think this is the fallacy that Jesus was on about…or do we not value Jesus’ message of giving (forGIVEness) and unconditional love anymore?
I ain’t worried about freeloaders…besides, this is the craziest thing I ever heard: you don't want to do anything and get everything free…nonsense! I want everything and everyone to be free.
I’ll give “free-loaders” everything I can, even if it is giving them “ignoring them”—forcing them to take responsibility for themselves. It doesn’t mean I will allow anyone to TAKE anything from me that I am not willing to give, but unless we can get into a mindset (as a society) where to give is better than taking, and the only thing that it’s OK to take is responsibility, we're going to end up in the same old mess.
No one needs to own anything, except for responsibility, their sovereignty…themselves. Creating a system without this as the base is an exercise we are currently playing out, and doesn’t seem to be going the way it “should” (as evidenced by this thread), in the minds of most people. It is naïve to believe someday 100% of people will be the way most of us think they should be. The only way to do that is teach truth, love.
What does this mean: the whole reason this entire universe got the way it was ... is basically "OUT EXCHANGE"
I personally believe the universe is the way it is because most beings are tricked into exchanges and contracts and all this bull****, without enough truth (love, light) to make good decisions.
If people were making decisions because that is what is their heart tells them, they know who they are, what they are doing, and why (their purpose), rather than for some “expected return”, the universe would be a lot different, and your game might be plausible. I feel that without that, it is the same exact game, and this is just mental masturbation. It's a nice thought though, and I got nothing but love for you all
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this kind of think is how we got here ... welfare state ... it invalidates the being and they will end up fighting demanding your give them more for free .. the only true way to free someone is to give him a job so he can get some of his self respect back ... welfare states never worked and is a mechanism for the rich and powerful to enslave people and make them feel worthless ... so they can own them and control them
jim
Not only is this a kick in the face to “true” Christians (that believe in giving and unconditional love), it is an insult to at least the native Americans, if not all the “Leaver” peoples (as Daniel Quinn dubs them in Ishmael), indigenous tribes.
As Americans, my parent’s generation were proud to teach us that we got Manhattan Island from the ignorant injuns for some beads, what a great deal, what an American, civilized thing to do.
I like the other story that I heard, that not even the animals here understood the dysfunctional ownership mentality our freaky white asses imported from Europe. The concept of land ownership was so far out of their realm of imagination—HOW CAN YOU OWN THE LAND?
Yet somehow we are doing something good by playing a game that VALUES it.
The animals would come right up to people. The buffalo had no fear. Because the humans here respected life, lived in love, with no thoughts of ownership. No coveting. No need. Not until “civilized” people claimed their manifest destiny and started owning ****. Plant a flag, start a colony, evict all non-owners, human, plant, animal, and even mineral. Great game that was…
Instead of a cautionary tale—a chance to teach our young what life can really be like, that became a story of opportunity. We teach them how ignorant the peoples and animals (savage, wild) are to be taken advantage of.
Are we sure we continue including this paradigm in your “game”??
Apparently from the your last post, the answer is yes. We need to fight and struggle in your Darwinian reality, expecting “fairness” and eye for an eye and power and hierarchy and ownership. Enjoy the game, I’m out…
Delight
30th May 2013, 14:52
Jiminii, some of your game rules and information matches these links from Bill Robertson.
The New Civilization Game, (http://www.newciv.org/ncn/newcivgame.html) by Bill Robertson.
Captain Bill Robertson - New Civilization Purposes - Scientology.avi
a7prWf8cNo4
Published on May 8, 2012
The New Civilization Game
DEFINITION:
A CIVILIZATION is an economic engine that runs on ideas and whose products are:
Survival of its dynamic components and Expansion of its knowledge, responsibility and control; its affinity, reality and Communication; its matter, energy, space and time; its ethics, technology and administration.
When ideas or its economics are suppressed it goes negative, contracts, and wastes or destroys its dynamic components, i.e. people, families, groups, businesses, organizations, governments, races, species, animal and plant life, physical environment, energy sources, spaces and time, ideas, spiritual values, beings and religions, aesthetics and art, and its codes of behavior and ethics.
The rescue of a dying civilization is accomplished by: locating and identifying the suppressive influence, supplying a positive alternative, disseminating it as a vector of comparable magnitude, stably financing it, keeping its positive production and exchange free and unregulated, reviewing and correcting as needed to increase its power, distributing its values and aethetics broadly, and responsibly evaluating, planning and coordinating the survival and expansion of its components.
The senior managerial organization on a planet should insure that its civilization (as per above definition) continues to flourish and prosper while guaranteeing maximum freedom for the individual, as the individual is the basic component of a civilization. Understanding this concept broadly will enhance the survival and increase the rate of expansion of the civilization. Suppressive influences can not exist viably under these operating conditions, and soon disappear or are quickly handled.
Definition:
A GAME consists of freedoms, barriers, and purpose. (LRH 1952)
Yes, it looks like the game Jiminii presented is a variation of the game here.....http://gathering-minds.net/fza/cbr/doc1395
I also have been inventing a game. It is a great way to participate in learning and my game is called "SNAKES" (NOT SNAKES AND LADDERS). I noticed here that Devil pigeon referenced landing on the "snake square". The snake slide or the snake wriggle and the snake dance are all about slithering slippery and hiding attributes that catch us and send us off our game trajectory....
I love snakes as they startle me into awake and alert.
The reason I reference "my" game... there is both no reason to re-invent something already invented. There is no reason to take credit for inventing something one found. There is no good reason to have competition be the central theme underlying a "game".... There is no ownership of the mind, just staking out territory.
There is a past due on old "memes" that I am excited about....Like....Ownership and competition with "two or more" adversaries playing against one another. BORING!!
An authority vesting "Rights" to intellectual property allows trade marking and the reaction to this basic "civilized" absurdity is considered stealing. At the same time, if i just "take" whole sections of other's digested thought forms and claim them, they start dying and dry up.
In a world of telepathy sure there is no plagiarizing but our undigested thought forms become mimicry and the snakes dance faster when we pass on undigested memes.
This means...know where I received my game rules information and do not pass it on "as MY game" unless i have wrestled with it enough to make it "mine"
jiminii
30th May 2013, 15:00
Not only is this a kick in the face to “true” Christians (that believe in giving and unconditional love), it is an insult to at least the native Americans, if not all the “Leaver” peoples (as Daniel Quinn dubs them in Ishmael), indigenous tribes.
As Americans, my parent’s generation were proud to teach us that we got Manhattan Island from the ignorant injuns for some beads, what a great deal, what an American, civilized thing to do.
I like the other story that I heard, that not even the animals here understood the dysfunctional ownership mentality our freaky white asses imported from Europe. The concept of land ownership was so far out of their realm of imagination—HOW CAN YOU OWN THE LAND?
Yet somehow we are doing something good by playing a game that VALUES it.
The animals would come right up to people. The buffalo had no fear. Because the humans here respected life, lived in love, with no thoughts of ownership. No coveting. No need. Not until “civilized” people claimed their manifest destiny and started owning ****. Plant a flag, start a colony, evict all non-owners, human, plant, animal, and even mineral. Great game that was…
Instead of a cautionary tale—a chance to teach our young what life can really be like, that became a story of opportunity. We teach them how ignorant the peoples and animals (savage, wild) are to be taken advantage of.
Are we sure we continue including this paradigm in your “game”??
Apparently from the your last post, the answer is yes. We need to fight and struggle in your Darwinian reality, expecting “fairness” and eye for an eye and power and hierarchy and ownership. Enjoy the game, I’m out…
the point is this .. you only way you are going to walk out of this is choose ... you have to decide to be cause and choose ... no one can do that for you
and we chose to come back here from the future to salvage this sector of the universe... we didn't get enough to wake up the last time we did this so we are running it again .
I say No to people who will allow themselves to be made slaves of.. in fact ... if I keep this body dragging along for the nest 300 years I will do it ... and the most amazing thing about it ... is I KNOW IT IS MY CHOICE to whatever happens to this place .. I have been given that right ... so I just went through all the last 3 years of predictions and none of what they say happens ... why? because I KNOW WHAT AND WHO I AM .... and I DO HAVE THE POWER
so the point is if I don't agree ... it will not happen ..none of their predictions to get us to agree to destroy the planet with pole shifts or anything else they want to trick us with. and I have seen so many website putting out all this think of what they think will happen to this world and the pole shifts and the nibiru and elenin and I just don't agree ... they can not hurt this place as long as i am here ... and believe me .. there are more of me .. knock out one and there will be another we came back to this time because we didn't get enough beings free last time so we are doing it again we have beings stuck all up and down the entire time track for trillions of years ... and we are there too bringing them home ... I don't care if anyone believes this .... you can wallow in your self pity and dramatizations ... but it won't work ... you are all coming home ... and that is a promise I made ... all of you are coming home ... and it takes as long as it takes ... but it will happen
jim
jiminii
30th May 2013, 15:09
Jiminii, some of your game rules and information matches these links from Bill Robertson.
The New Civilization Game, (http://www.newciv.org/ncn/newcivgame.html) by Bill Robertson.
Captain Bill Robertson - New Civilization Purposes - Scientology.avi
a7prWf8cNo4
Published on May 8, 2012
The New Civilization Game
DEFINITION:
A CIVILIZATION is an economic engine that runs on ideas and whose products are:
Survival of its dynamic components and Expansion of its knowledge, responsibility and control; its affinity, reality and Communication; its matter, energy, space and time; its ethics, technology and administration.
When ideas or its economics are suppressed it goes negative, contracts, and wastes or destroys its dynamic components, i.e. people, families, groups, businesses, organizations, governments, races, species, animal and plant life, physical environment, energy sources, spaces and time, ideas, spiritual values, beings and religions, aesthetics and art, and its codes of behavior and ethics.
The rescue of a dying civilization is accomplished by: locating and identifying the suppressive influence, supplying a positive alternative, disseminating it as a vector of comparable magnitude, stably financing it, keeping its positive production and exchange free and unregulated, reviewing and correcting as needed to increase its power, distributing its values and aethetics broadly, and responsibly evaluating, planning and coordinating the survival and expansion of its components.
The senior managerial organization on a planet should insure that its civilization (as per above definition) continues to flourish and prosper while guaranteeing maximum freedom for the individual, as the individual is the basic component of a civilization. Understanding this concept broadly will enhance the survival and increase the rate of expansion of the civilization. Suppressive influences can not exist viably under these operating conditions, and soon disappear or are quickly handled.
Definition:
A GAME consists of freedoms, barriers, and purpose. (LRH 1952)
Yes, it looks like the game Jiminii presented is a variation of the game here.....http://gathering-minds.net/fza/cbr/doc1395
I also have been inventing a game. It is a great way to participate in learning and my game is called "SNAKES" (NOT SNAKES AND LADDERS). I noticed here that Devil pigeon referenced landing on the "snake square". The snake slide or the snake wriggle and the snake dance are all about slithering slippery and hiding attributes that catch us and send us off our game trajectory....
I love snakes as they startle me into awake and alert.
The reason I reference "my" game... there is both no reason to re-invent something already invented. There is no reason to take credit for inventing something one found. There is no good reason to have competition be the central theme underlying a "game".... There is no ownership of the mind, just staking out territory.
There is a past due on old "memes" that I am excited about....Like....Ownership and competition with "two or more" adversaries playing against one another. BORING!!
An authority vesting "Rights" to intellectual property allows trade marking and the reaction to this basic "civilized" absurdity is considered stealing. At the same time, if i just "take" whole sections of other's digested thought forms and claim them, they start dying and dry up.
In a world of telepathy sure there is no plagiarizing but our undigested thought forms become mimicry and the snakes dance faster when we pass on undigested memes.
This means...know where I received my game rules information and do not pass it on "as MY game" unless i have wrestled with it enough to make it "mine"
yes this game comes from bill robertson ... but he was in communication with LRH to work out the rest of the OT levels .. you can check freezone and he said he developed telepathy to get in communciation with LRH .. don't know the exact wording ... I only know if you want to get in communication with LRH after he died ... you have to go to base 2 in the future
jim
Fred Steeves
30th May 2013, 15:18
Donk, "The New Civilization Game" reminds me of the saying: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". What does one do when they're REALLY tired of playing games after trillions of years? Well, for starters they stop playing games. (LOL) As Alex Collier likes to say: "No more bulls**t". Trading being in little boxes for being in bigger boxes is not my idea of being free, being *truly* free is my idea of being free.
Just what is "truly free"? I can as of yet only scarcely begin to imagine, but that's a good start. The stretch of our own imagination, not someone else's, is our only limitation.
Cheers Brother, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif
Fred
Thank you Fred and Delight (brilliant post btw), I didn't need validation, but it sure is nice to not feel like a complete lunatic.
I gave this a chance and was hopeful, after all, I love co-creation as well. That's not what this to me, it's lipstick on a pig. Glad I'm not the only one...
jiminii
30th May 2013, 16:11
sorry if anyone misunderstood this post ...
you see I am trying to write this thing and still keep it a game ..and keep it light . but I see anyone who reads will try to find what ever bad they can hint at and destroy the thread
so I am cleaning what I said before and make very clear "you are playing with the future of your existence for the next trillion trillion years .so you better look before you decide to throw in your negative statements and it would not be me that is doing this to you ... it would be you doing it to yourself ... you just have no idea how powerful thoughts are"
to my understanding ... I am in communication with base 2 ... and I am always getting auditing
this write up comes from free zone ... but it is also approved from base 2 because it is very familiar to me ...
whether the person who originally wrote this is from base 2 or free zone here I don't know ... but I do know this is all coming from base 2 ... in this way
we are managing those who chose to come back to this time to salvage this sector .. in this point in time .. the truth is there are spirit beings trapped all up and down this time track for the last trillions and trillions of years and we are trying to salvage them too .
Cathy is on this planet but she has a body on base 2
she is just observing what I am doing on this website and it is the first time I tried to do this
if anyone wants to know what base 2 is like she can tell you .. depends if she wants to come on line and get kicked in the head over and over again trying to tell her truth ... just like I see what they do to any of the rest of us like Inelia or anyone else ...
I am trying to get you a workable way that we know works that will bring you back home ... you can try it if you like .. totally up to you
someone from free zone contacted me from this site and wanted me to get into this game ... it looks ok to me .. anyone of course can come in and try to destroy the thread ...
I haven't been in communication with scientology or free zone for years I am here holding asia and I know there are others holding the americas and europe and africa
we have in the future dedicated ourselves to undoing this entire time track of pain so we can get into a much better game in newer universe that doesn't work on pain ...
this is absolute truth just as someone has said before ... we are 100 percent responsible for ALL OF IT
if you like pain you are welcome to stay here ...
but if we have to run this period of time again and again ... we would like to get 100 percent if we can but there are those who won't come back until they are the last man standing .. alone and that is probably what we'll have to do ... .. when they have no one they can hurt anymore and no place left to go they might get tired of being here and decide to come home
we are making this run again .. this period of time has already happened ,.. and it takes a lot of time to rerun these periods of time ... so maybe we can catch you on the next run and I don't know when that will be ... could be millions of years since we are handling all those all up and down the time track who are willing to come now
I have kept this planet safe .. none of the previous pole shift predictions worked and they are even using HAARP to heat up the places where volcanoes are to try to erupt them and try to make earthquakes and I am doing my best to keep the planet cool .. if you want to fight this thread ... it is up to you.
you make your own future .. this I know for sure
jim
The purpose is to inform all beings there is a new civilization game for planet earth that will be contributed to from the most power on base 2 and to all the most powerful on this planet ... you KNOW who you are .. and to anyone else who wants to join in and play this game.
To all earth people who wish to play this game.
1. Take the planet into your session space. (this means get the idea of the space of the planet )
2. Inform all beings about the first purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To actively put our Home Planet Earth in order, maintaining its Natural Balance for the survival of the New Civilization and preventing, restraining and/or ceasing to co-operate with those who would destroy our Home."
3. Localize all beings, who want to destroy our Home. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
4. Inform all beings about the second purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To viably develop the technology and equipment for free enterprise and private and public travel to other planets and systems for the expansion of the New Civilization and to protest loudly and refuse to co-operate with those who would keep and use these developments for purely military , destructive or other suppressive intentions."
5. Localize all beings, who would keep and use these developments for purely military, destructive or other suppressive actions. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
6. Inform all beings about the third purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To make available technology, products, goods and services for all the peoples of Earth and develop the capability to export surpluses to other planets and systems, decrying (denouncing) and refusing to co-operate with those who would keep people unemployed, ignorant, poor, underfed and unhealthy for suppressive reasons of their own."
7. Localize all beings, who would keep people unemployed, ignorant, poor, underfed and unhealthy for suppressive reasons of their own. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
8. Inform all beings about the fourth purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To develop, standardize and get in use a stable mediums of exchange so that the New Civilization can confidently flourish and prosper without inflations, deflations and depressions. And to educate people in basic economics so that they NEVER fall prey to or support those persons and groups who use economics to suppress."
9. Localize all beings, who use economics to suppress. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
10. Inform all beings about the fifth purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To recognize, validate and support all types of creative endeavors and pro-survival and pro-expansion activities, cherishing one's own freedom as the key to achievement of ALL the New Civilization's purposes." And actively resisting and defeating any attempt to limit or regulate ones freedom or rights in the New Civilization Game."
11. Localize all beings, who tries to limit or regulate ones freedom or rights in the New Civilization Game. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
14. Invite all beings to play with us the New Civilization Game.
15. Give all beings the following information:
THE NEW CIVILIZATION IS THE ALTERNATIVE
The New Civilization knows:
You have the power.
You have the freedom.
You have the purposes.
You have the knowledge of how to play the game.
You have the right to your own sanity and will not agree to insane uses of power.
You have the right to leave any game you don't like, take your power, knowledge, and purposes with you and join another, start another, or just not play.
You WILL enjoy the New Civilization Game, if decide to play.
That if you do decide to play, you - and ALL of an this planet - will win.
This means ALL including anyone from the Stars ... who want to do trade with this planet.
jim
I redid this post to make it more clear
jim
Delight
30th May 2013, 16:15
Thank you Fred and Delight (brilliant post btw), I didn't need validation, but it sure is nice to not feel like a complete lunatic.
I gave this a chance and was hopeful, after all, I love co-creation as well. That's not what this to me, it's lipstick on a pig. Glad I'm not the only one...
Hi Donk,
You definitely are "tetched in the haid" (that is Appalachian mountain slang meaning outside the social normalcy range. And PLEASE, do not ever feel alone and forlorn. The game is not the problem.
My opinion is like David Icke's...the matrix is our friend but the hack of OUR matrix made us paranoid that intruders rule us.
"Brain Damage"
The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'till I'm sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
"I can't think of anything to say except...
I think it's marvellous! HaHaHa!"
Pink Floyd
TY5winxPMvA
Paranoia makes us contract but we want more than anything to be the untethered lunatic in our own inner asylum breaking the furniture climbing the walls and having no nurse Ratchett medicate. HEHEHE... the nurse in our head, the prison of authorities heard and allowed. We want our feeling of being outrageous because this is life in us spilling up and looking for a way to express itself. Don't get angry, get MAD"...CRAZY as a tornado and break up the static sameness trusting that OUR art form of co-creation is refusal of the offered potentials as much as building the space of impossible possibility.
I feel passionately that ownership and authority of the rules we have adopted is the institutional wall that only great lunacy can scale.
There is so much need for our feeling of passion that comes when we digest ideas so they fire us up. We feel so enthused (from entheogen from God within) that we act from the idea and the "who knows what" may appear to be real?
Thanks for that Delight.
Jim: if you think my posts are "negative" and ruining your thread, I won't be offended if a mod splits them off to sanitize your "new civilization"...my ideas are about a new REALITY, where we've learned the lessons of "civilization"
I don't like pain, but then I also don't need you to "take me home". I am home, and using my "powerful thoughts" to get people that share it with me to see where I think it is that the problem lies. Obviously you have a bigger picture I'm unable to see, whatever it is--I'm glad it's keeping me and the planet safe, thanks for that.
I didn't intend to destroy the thread, I don't find my thoughts to be negative. Please, by all means, I consent to having my thoughts banished if you feel it will make it better...
jiminii
30th May 2013, 16:59
Thanks for that Delight.
Jim: if you think my posts are "negative" and ruining your thread, I won't be offended if a mod splits them off to sanitize your "new civilization"...my ideas are about a new REALITY, where we've learned the lessons of "civilization"
I don't like pain, but then I also don't need you to "take me home". I am home, and using my "powerful thoughts" to get people that share it with me to see where I think it is that the problem lies. Obviously you have a bigger picture I'm unable to see, whatever it is--I'm glad it's keeping me and the planet safe, thanks for that.
I didn't intend to destroy the thread, I don't find my thoughts to be negative. Please, by all means, I consent to having my thoughts banished if you feel it will make it better...
someone is saying I am copying bill ,,, it was unintentional .. i am trying to answer everyone's post ... but it is cutting into my own work time ... so if I somehow did it too quickly then I have to see why someone would say that ... I am just wondering why? ... why are people not trying to see the positive not the negative .... I said postulates are exact .. you will not believe how exact they can be ... and word it wrong you can end up with a hurricane that misses clearwater and wipes out the entire east coast of USA
this is a game ... if you read the post right after the first post you will see how the first reaction was to create something they wanted to handle on the planet ... then it goes weird ... everyone is taking the post too literal ... games can be changed ... the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs ... the main point is we are all agreeing in some way to a sane and safe planet ... so this is the way is should be ... I should have said you can put your post here as long as it is your own viewpoint and your own creation and you do not say anything against anyone else's creation that is what this is suppose to do
get it?
jim
the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs
My "create" is not "complaining" about your "best shot"...it is my creation to point out that the best shot taken by those that would control us is woven into the fabric of your "create".
It is my purpose to share with you, with what I feel is convincing information, that the "pro survival create" in your reality is the root of all that is ant-survival (down right suicidal) in mine.
I can't think of a disagreement more important to the "forward flow of a sane planet" than this one. Yet you continue to misdirect, implying my intent is to derail your creation out of "negativity". I find your creation rooted in what I consider the source of almost all negativity. I feel pointing that out is a creative act, in my reality.
jiminii
30th May 2013, 17:14
The New Civilization Game by Jiminii and Cathy from Base 2
how to play this game.
and even I made a mistake by evaluating other people's post
1 you write up your best shot on the most ideal scene you would like to see happen to this planet
2. this must be your own creation
3. do not say anything negative thoughts or evaluations about anyone else's best shot ...
4. if you agree to someone else's post just click the "thank you" button.
sorry if anyone misunderstood this post ...
you see I am trying to write this thing and still keep it a game ..and keep it light . but I see anyone who reads will try to find what ever bad they can hint at and destroy the thread
so I am cleaning what I said before and make very clear "you are playing with the future of your existence for the next trillion trillion years .so you better look before you decide to throw in your negative statements and it would not be me that is doing this to you ... it would be you doing it to yourself ... you just have no idea how powerful thoughts are"
to my understanding ... I am in communication with base 2 ... and I am always getting auditing
this write up comes from free zone ... but it is also approved from base 2 because it is very familiar to me ...
whether the person who originally wrote this is from base 2 or free zone here I don't know ... but I do know this is all coming from base 2 ... in this way
we are managing those who chose to come back to this time to salvage this sector .. in this point in time .. the truth is there are spirit beings trapped all up and down this time track for the last trillions and trillions of years and we are trying to salvage them too .
Cathy is on this planet but she has a body on base 2
she is just observing what I am doing on this website and it is the first time I tried to do this
if anyone wants to know what base 2 is like she can tell you .. depends if she wants to come on line and get kicked in the head over and over again trying to tell her truth ... just like I see what they do to any of the rest of us like Inelia or anyone else ...
I am trying to get you a workable way that we know works that will bring you back home ... you can try it if you like .. totally up to you
someone from free zone contacted me from this site and wanted me to get into this game ... it looks ok to me .. anyone of course can come in and try to destroy the thread ...
I haven't been in communication with scientology or free zone for years I am here holding asia and I know there are others holding the americas and europe and africa
we have in the future dedicated ourselves to undoing this entire time track of pain so we can get into a much better game in newer universe that doesn't work on pain ...
this is absolute truth just as someone has said before ... we are 100 percent responsible for ALL OF IT
if you like pain you are welcome to stay here ...
but if we have to run this period of time again and again ... we would like to get 100 percent if we can but there are those who won't come back until they are the last man standing .. alone and that is probably what we'll have to do ... .. when they have no one they can hurt anymore and no place left to go they might get tired of being here and decide to come home
we are making this run again .. this period of time has already happened ,.. and it takes a lot of time to rerun these periods of time ... so maybe we can catch you on the next run and I don't know when that will be ... could be millions of years since we are handling all those all up and down the time track who are willing to come now
I have kept this planet safe .. none of the previous pole shift predictions worked and they are even using HAARP to heat up the places where volcanoes are to try to erupt them and try to make earthquakes and I am doing my best to keep the planet cool .. if you want to fight this thread ... it is up to you.
you make your own future .. this I know for sure
jim
The purpose is to inform all beings there is a new civilization game for planet earth that will be contributed to from the most power on base 2 and to all the most powerful on this planet ... you KNOW who you are .. and to anyone else who wants to join in and play this game.
To all earth people who wish to play this game.
1. Take the planet into your session space. (this means get the idea of the space of the planet )
2. Inform all beings about the first purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To actively put our Home Planet Earth in order, maintaining its Natural Balance for the survival of the New Civilization and preventing, restraining and/or ceasing to co-operate with those who would destroy our Home."
3. Localize all beings, who want to destroy our Home. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
4. Inform all beings about the second purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To viably develop the technology and equipment for free enterprise and private and public travel to other planets and systems for the expansion of the New Civilization and to protest loudly and refuse to co-operate with those who would keep and use these developments for purely military , destructive or other suppressive intentions."
5. Localize all beings, who would keep and use these developments for purely military, destructive or other suppressive actions. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
6. Inform all beings about the third purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To make available technology, products, goods and services for all the peoples of Earth and develop the capability to export surpluses to other planets and systems, decrying (denouncing) and refusing to co-operate with those who would keep people unemployed, ignorant, poor, underfed and unhealthy for suppressive reasons of their own."
7. Localize all beings, who would keep people unemployed, ignorant, poor, underfed and unhealthy for suppressive reasons of their own. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
8. Inform all beings about the fourth purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To develop, standardize and get in use a stable mediums of exchange so that the New Civilization can confidently flourish and prosper without inflations, deflations and depressions. And to educate people in basic economics so that they NEVER fall prey to or support those persons and groups who use economics to suppress."
9. Localize all beings, who use economics to suppress. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
10. Inform all beings about the fifth purpose of the New Civilization Game:
"To recognize, validate and support all types of creative endeavors and pro-survival and pro-expansion activities, cherishing one's own freedom as the key to achievement of ALL the New Civilization's purposes." And actively resisting and defeating any attempt to limit or regulate ones freedom or rights in the New Civilization Game."
11. Localize all beings, who tries to limit or regulate ones freedom or rights in the New Civilization Game. Announce you do not agree with them, you will not support them and their action are suppressive.
14. Invite all beings to play with us the New Civilization Game.
15. Give all beings the following information:
THE NEW CIVILIZATION IS THE ALTERNATIVE
The New Civilization knows:
You have the power.
You have the freedom.
You have the purposes.
You have the knowledge of how to play the game.
You have the right to your own sanity and will not agree to insane uses of power.
You have the right to leave any game you don't like, take your power, knowledge, and purposes with you and join another, start another, or just not play.
You WILL enjoy the New Civilization Game, if decide to play.
That if you do decide to play, you - and ALL of an this planet - will win.
This means ALL including anyone from the Stars ... who want to do trade with this planet.
jim
jiminii
30th May 2013, 17:17
the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs
My "create" is not "complaining" about your "best shot"...it is my creation to point out that the best shot taken by those that would control us is woven into the fabric of your "create".
It is my purpose to share with you, with what I feel is convincing information, that the "pro survival create" in your reality is the root of all that is ant-survival (down right suicidal) in mine.
I can't think of a disagreement more important to the "forward flow of a sane planet" than this one. Yet you continue to misdirect, implying my intent is to derail your creation out of "negativity". I find your creation rooted in what I consider the source of almost all negativity. I feel pointing that out is a creative act, in my reality.
i wasn't refering to you
I just pushed the reply to quote .. because they told me I should do that.
sorry.
jim
Padmé
30th May 2013, 17:23
the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs
My "create" is not "complaining" about your "best shot"...it is my creation to point out that the best shot taken by those that would control us is woven into the fabric of your "create".
It is my purpose to share with you, with what I feel is convincing information, that the "pro survival create" in your reality is the root of all that is ant-survival (down right suicidal) in mine.
I can't think of a disagreement more important to the "forward flow of a sane planet" than this one. Yet you continue to misdirect, implying my intent is to derail your creation out of "negativity". I find your creation rooted in what I consider the source of almost all negativity. I feel pointing that out is a creative act, in my reality.
i wasn't refering to you
I just pushed the reply to quote .. because they told me I should do that.
sorry.
jim
Dear Jim, maybe you should make sure you respond to the person you mean to respond to then... last time you said this about my post, and said my posts were not the negative ones you were referring to, they deleted them and told me I was nasty and malicious... just a thought...
jiminii
30th May 2013, 17:27
the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs
My "create" is not "complaining" about your "best shot"...it is my creation to point out that the best shot taken by those that would control us is woven into the fabric of your "create".
It is my purpose to share with you, with what I feel is convincing information, that the "pro survival create" in your reality is the root of all that is ant-survival (down right suicidal) in mine.
I can't think of a disagreement more important to the "forward flow of a sane planet" than this one. Yet you continue to misdirect, implying my intent is to derail your creation out of "negativity". I find your creation rooted in what I consider the source of almost all negativity. I feel pointing that out is a creative act, in my reality.
i wasn't refering to you
I just pushed the reply to quote .. because they told me I should do that.
sorry.
jim
Dear Jim, maybe you should make sure you respond to the person you mean to respond to then... last time you said this about my post, and said my posts were not the negative ones you were referring to, they deleted them and told me I was nasty and malicious... just a thought...
I understand ... I don't even know how to highlight the pieces I want to refer too .. or pull something from another post on another thread to one of the threads it should fit in ..so I am still learning it
jim
Delight
30th May 2013, 17:45
Thanks for that Delight.
Jim: if you think my posts are "negative" and ruining your thread, I won't be offended if a mod splits them off to sanitize your "new civilization"...my ideas are about a new REALITY, where we've learned the lessons of "civilization"
I don't like pain, but then I also don't need you to "take me home". I am home, and using my "powerful thoughts" to get people that share it with me to see where I think it is that the problem lies. Obviously you have a bigger picture I'm unable to see, whatever it is--I'm glad it's keeping me and the planet safe, thanks for that.
I didn't intend to destroy the thread, I don't find my thoughts to be negative. Please, by all means, I consent to having my thoughts banished if you feel it will make it better...
someone is saying I am copying bill ,,, it was unintentional .. i am trying to answer everyone's post ... but it is cutting into my own work time ... so if I somehow did it too quickly then I have to see why someone would say that ... I am just wondering why? ... why are people not trying to see the positive not the negative .... I said postulates are exact .. you will not believe how exact they can be ... and word it wrong you can end up with a hurricane that misses clearwater and wipes out the entire east coast of USA
this is a game ... if you read the post right after the first post you will see how the first reaction was to create something they wanted to handle on the planet ... then it goes weird ... everyone is taking the post too literal ... games can be changed ... the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs ... the main point is we are all agreeing in some way to a sane and safe planet ... so this is the way is should be ... I should have said you can put your post here as long as it is your own viewpoint and your own creation and you do not say anything against anyone else's creation that is what this is suppose to do
get it?
jim
Where does a game start...with the creator. We are each ALREADY creator but we create copies of copies of copies like trusty scribes. That is really part of it...that each new moment is a wholely separate creation in the matrix of US who are each UNIQUE aspects of the matrix.
A creator can either in the extremes totally copy or totally change the script. Actually twesking a script is what we seem to do most easily. But that leads to linear processes and if we think that we are in a "real" and permanent "world", we take the process route as a given necessity. But to really change, we actually have to "lose" our mind about the constructs. David icke alludes to the way we in the matrix do create the scenes by our support. But the themes have to be considered under the guise on the screen. If we go deeper, we do have larger options.
In 3D we asked to learn performance, materialization, expression, working in the elemental sphere to produce a story. The story either feels one way or another and that is my experience of that story. If the story is satisfying like in nourishing and delicious, that is a great novelian masterpiece.
Basically lots of story lines are about anger, grief, guilt, revenge and are very heavy bummers. On top of that the "civilization" stories twist around (like snakes) in conceptual knots. That is also like the intricacy of the game of creating a "new and sane" civilization. Why be so preoccupied there? Where is the fun discovered in making up need.
Games imply "play" and when its taken too seriously all the fun dissolves. Deadly sane people are part of the snake dance of twisted sentencing as well the Lunatics who seek to disturb. Be on either side and there we are but that is perfect.
If we understand that the screen of the matrix is just that and we are taking sides because the contrast of polarity is the way we this body pictures, we are on a different playing field.We UNIQUE aspects of creation's continuing performance are walking a path through thought forms and learn NOW to choose the ones for us stylize, to act out the matrix.
This is a given of a crossing that is the meaning of my game. cross the line and leave the present field.
The next and most enjoyable past time is learning the spontaneous change of focus of quality...toward freedom, faith, love, beauty, satisfaction let us allow the means to arrive in "rule-less" manifestation. One idea that we "love" deeply may easily morph to ideas yet unseen but of the frequency of lovingness.
There is no way ever to legislate the heart qualities. That is our special "ace in the hole". All new co-creation based on our feeling of joy and exhuberance leads to games that seem to have no rules at all. But stuff happens that is wonderful to behold.
The ones who believe this is all good all now and all Ways are no longer in the old rules. We are not afraid to let go of the structure because we are standing in observation on a "safe" platform of Faith in ourselves as we REALLY exist.
This leads to further relaxation and our interesting unusual and unforeseen expansion into UNKNOWN realms of story.
In this matrix, we are entertainment of the mind of GREAT CREATION. It likes any plot we experience. In this very shallow matrix game, we are the ones who stage the scenery, act and characterize and only direct by proxy. We do get to choose directors.
So back to "my" game.
the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs
My "create" is not "complaining" about your "best shot"...it is my creation to point out that the best shot taken by those that would control us is woven into the fabric of your "create".
It is my purpose to share with you, with what I feel is convincing information, that the "pro survival create" in your reality is the root of all that is ant-survival (down right suicidal) in mine.
I can't think of a disagreement more important to the "forward flow of a sane planet" than this one. Yet you continue to misdirect, implying my intent is to derail your creation out of "negativity". I find your creation rooted in what I consider the source of almost all negativity. I feel pointing that out is a creative act, in my reality.
i wasn't refering to you
I just pushed the reply to quote .. because they told me I should do that.
sorry.
jim
To be fair, calling the whole thread “mental masturbation” is pretty strong negativity, and unnecessary….I removed that. Thanks for your clarification.
In the spirit of your thread, I would like to create: the ANTI-ownership society.
Where everyone literally gives the shirts off their back, for those in need (so yes, sharing clothes. Offices. Computer).
Where people don’t WANT to have more than anyone else. If they create or discover or obtain something, their instinct is not “YES!! MINE, ALL MINE!!!”, it’s “ohmigosh look what I found everyone!”
Where people don’t WANT to be better than anyone else. They are happy with who are they are, and who everyone else is, encouraging everyone to be the best, constructively criticizing when they are harming themselves or others, and enjoying each other’s company, contributions, and differences.
Where there is no WANT at all, just to BE. Truth. Light. Love. With that, with no deception, the baseline of human thought/instinct/emotion being selflessness, than we wouldn’t allow the “few bad apples to spoil the bunch”, as there’d be no hierarchy for them to be atop.
There’d be no need of exchanges based on false/arbitrary/artificial values—any energy exchange would be based on honesty. A shared reality, where we cooperate, rather than compete.
This is what my being tells me is what it means to be human. Every (powerful) thought I have strengthens the one that says: ownership is the problem. It creates competition, which encourages dishonesty. We have been deceived into making these concepts (powerful thoughts) “values”.
I am human. Ownership, competition, and deception are not my values. They are viral implants, anti-human, anti-life.
In the reality I create, everyone accepts my anti-virus: LOVE.
InCiDeR
30th May 2013, 18:00
I wish
that we wish
to be clear
of those
who wish
to be clear
that the thought
of one man
would change the world
when the thought
of one world
would change the man
it is called
hu-sanity
if anyone wants to know what base 2 is like she can tell you ..
I would like to know what base 2 is like.
It would b no game tht everyone on the planet truly lived free..free home..free food....man finally is taught how to fish! Verses given a fish for one day! When these needs are met...it opens the door wide open for creation/cultivation
jiminii
31st May 2013, 02:09
i don't think it's going to work because we create things based on beliefs that are rooted in our subconscious. mere conscious wishful thinking will hardly do any good imho but nevertheless i wish you all good luck.
postulates work from thoughts even if it is pretending ...
very hard to get a girl with all this reverse vector and effort counter effort .... sit in a bus ... a girl is looking at you .. the moment you look back her head whips away quickly . or you are looking at the girl and as soon as she looks at you your head whips away ... this is almost automatic response to the energy flows happening around you
so why not pretend .???? it is easier to get a girl interested in you if you pretend "let's pretend you are my girlfriend ... you can always change it later if you want?" this gets her in the game ... and in fact pretending creates the thoughts that will bring them together ... but to say "I want you to be my girlfriend" ..."want" is a pulling flow causes her to push you away .... pretend comes from the mind ... is basically static ... not in motion makes an easier game ... trying to get a girlfriend ??? even "i would like you to be my girlfriend" is a static .. no motion .. but creates too much reality too fast ... and might get resistance ..
why???? ... because it pulls in every picture of every boyfriend she ever had from the beginning of time and all the bad things that happened too ,..
so pretending is a static ... and implies it is a game that you can play win or lose .... and is not binding ... so more easily to get agreement ...
so even if we are pretending to create a new civilization .. it is still thought creation ... and can get agreement and can manifest itself into the physical universe (MEST) .... the more agreement .. the more powerful the postulate becomes ... the more it is able to appear in this MEST universe.
jim
jiminii
31st May 2013, 02:36
Donk, "The New Civilization Game" reminds me of the saying: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". What does one do when they're REALLY tired of playing games after trillions of years? Well, for starters they stop playing games. (LOL) As Alex Collier likes to say: "No more bulls**t". Trading being in little boxes for being in bigger boxes is not my idea of being free, being *truly* free is my idea of being free.
Just what is "truly free"? I can as of yet only scarcely begin to imagine, but that's a good start. The stretch of our own imagination, not someone else's, is our only limitation.
Cheers Brother, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif
Fred
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ???? you still are in agreement or you wouldn't be using the computer to look ... or going to your job to get money or anything else you have to do to survive ... want to be free ... go to tibet and live by yourself completely free of no responsibility with the HOPE ... of being free ... isn't going to get you free ... you have to vanish the agreement to gravity if you want to levitate .. and that is just one agreement... you have to vanish the agreement to be locked up in your body ... and killing yourself will only bring you back here ... well you can go to hiroshima .... just look at all those spirits there that are floating around .. and THEY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK .. THEY ARE STILL STUCK IN THE DRAMA OF THAT ATOMIC EXPLOSION ..and you can speak so lightly. ... of freedom??? who will be your next boss if we don't clear this place ... in the future ... with mind control from reptilians inside your head ... and THEY WILL REALLY BE YOUR BOSS and nothing you can do to stop it ... because you didn't want to look in this time ... where it all started
on a tape called free being LRH said "if we hadn't have waited so long ... if we hadn't have waited so long ... we wouldn't be in so much trouble."
oh yes the future is won now from the first run and more from the second run ... can you tell me where you are going to be ???? do you absolutely KNOW where you are going to be in 300 years ... being controlled by some reptilian society that took all of this universe and put them into a matrix of mind control of complete terror ...
tell me .. DO YOU KNOW?
jim
Freed Fox
31st May 2013, 02:59
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ???? you still are in agreement or you wouldn't be using the computer to look ... or going to your job to get money or anything else you have to do to survive ... want to be free ... go to tibet and live by yourself completely free of no responsibility with the HOPE ... of being free ... isn't going to get you free ... you have to vanish the agreement to gravity if you want to levitate .. and that is just one agreement... you have to vanish the agreement to be locked up in your body ... and killing yourself will only bring you back here ... well you can go to hiroshima .... just look at all those spirits there that are floating around .. and THEY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK .. THEY ARE STILL STUCK IN THE DRAMA OF THAT ATOMIC EXPLOSION ..and you can speak so lightly. ... of freedom??? who will be your next boss if we don't clear this place ... in the future ... with mind control from reptilians inside your head ... and THEY WILL REALLY BE YOUR BOSS and nothing you can do to stop it ... because you didn't want to look in this time ... where it all started
by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...
jim
Is this not contradictory? Sorry Jim, I know you feel attacked, but this isn't an attack. It's a simple request for clarification. Which of these statements is true? In what sense can it possibly be both?
jiminii
31st May 2013, 03:21
the idea is to contribute your best shot ...not complain about someone else's best shot ... all of it contributes to the forward flow of a sane planet even if you have disagreements .. doesn't need to be posted ... this is a create create create .. and it is each person's own create ... I put up a pro survival create ... the next person puts up theirs
My "create" is not "complaining" about your "best shot"...it is my creation to point out that the best shot taken by those that would control us is woven into the fabric of your "create".
It is my purpose to share with you, with what I feel is convincing information, that the "pro survival create" in your reality is the root of all that is ant-survival (down right suicidal) in mine.
I can't think of a disagreement more important to the "forward flow of a sane planet" than this one. Yet you continue to misdirect, implying my intent is to derail your creation out of "negativity". I find your creation rooted in what I consider the source of almost all negativity. I feel pointing that out is a creative act, in my reality.
i wasn't refering to you
I just pushed the reply to quote .. because they told me I should do that.
sorry.
jim
To be fair, calling the whole thread “mental masturbation” is pretty strong negativity, and unnecessary….I removed that. Thanks for your clarification.
In the spirit of your thread, I would like to create: the ANTI-ownership society.
Where everyone literally gives the shirts off their back, for those in need (so yes, sharing clothes. Offices. Computer).
Where people don’t WANT to have more than anyone else. If they create or discover or obtain something, their instinct is not “YES!! MINE, ALL MINE!!!”, it’s “ohmigosh look what I found everyone!”
Where people don’t WANT to be better than anyone else. They are happy with who are they are, and who everyone else is, encouraging everyone to be the best, constructively criticizing when they are harming themselves or others, and enjoying each other’s company, contributions, and differences.
Where there is no WANT at all, just to BE. Truth. Light. Love. With that, with no deception, the baseline of human thought/instinct/emotion being selflessness, than we wouldn’t allow the “few bad apples to spoil the bunch”, as there’d be no hierarchy for them to be atop.
There’d be no need of exchanges based on false/arbitrary/artificial values—any energy exchange would be based on honesty. A shared reality, where we cooperate, rather than compete.
This is what my being tells me is what it means to be human. Every (powerful) thought I have strengthens the one that says: ownership is the problem. It creates competition, which encourages dishonesty. We have been deceived into making these concepts (powerful thoughts) “values”.
I am human. Ownership, competition, and deception are not my values. They are viral implants, anti-human, anti-life.
In the reality I create, everyone accepts my anti-virus: LOVE.
in the southern parts of china are the native tribes of the land a lot like the American Indians ... in there colorful clothes ... they are along the borders of Burma, Lao, Vietnam and Northern Thailand ... they don't need electricity ... there are not even given citizen rights in Thailand even though they are born there .... they live off the land and do not need electricity or any other modern means for their survival ... they are very Theta people ... singing and dancing all the time ... with pleasant beautiful smiles ... and yet they have no country of there own ... a lot of tribes ... I can live here in southern china and communixm never reaches here ... the Chinese government allow these people to live the way they want because the vegetation is soooooooooooooooooo ... thick they would never win trying to fight them .... so there is almost no influence from the outside world and you can be free ... to think your own thoughts and live with people who can JUST GRANT BEINGINESS TO OTHERS ... and if there is a disaster ... these people can move anywhere and survive ... not the same if suddenly the water comes up and puts bangkok underwater ... where will all the politicians and people living there go??? would they be able to live blindly on the land ...
so this is another possibility ... I am free .. but I am free anyway because I learned long ago if I want to travel this world (21 countries so far) .. I have to let go of my baggage ... take only what I need to get to the next place... find friends and setup camp... if I build my music studio with professional sound software on a laptop ... I can do anything I want anywhere.... it is freedom ... if you are willing to live on the fly ... from one moment to the next.
how many in this world can let all their possessions go .. and do that???? ... and be able to fit into any society without impinging your own on to theirs ...
GRANTING BEINGNESS is the same as GRANTING LIFE ... allowing a person to be and think for himself ... is rarely applied ... but if you can GRANT BEINGNESS to your girlfriend or wife or anyone else .. you will be more pro survival for them then anyone they are connected to now ... they will want to follow you ... but the truth is each has his own path ... and they have their own way to get through all these barriers to total spiritual freedom ..
I am what they would call in the free zone A Games Master Player .... it is the highest level of OT you can obtain from the freezone .and I have no idea what level I am on at base 2 with my other body managing me.. but ... if a person were able to let go of this mind he carries from lifetime to lifetime ... because he believes he needs this memory full of lies and booby traps ... he could be free ... it would mean you would have to depend on KNOWING and not use any of the recordings of pictures by the Thetan or the Genetic Entity ... it is like looking into NOTHING .. totally dependent of letting the being inside of you communicate with you intuitively .... following your gut feelings and letting go of the picture recordings of self and others ... you could probably destimulate enough of it to free yourself from this excess baggage and be able to go and do anything with no money anywhere KNOWING that wherever you go ... there will be those who let you into their life ... than this would be freedom ... wouldn't it ???? Jesus could do this ... but the message the Christians are giving people is not from Jesus .. the message is changed by Constantine and all the priest at the time so they could put in a Persian idea of heaven and hell and control the people ... The book of Job that is called The Old Testiment comes from India ... it is one of the Vedas ... but the Indians have many Vedas ... where is all the reincarnation??? who altered the book? can you depend on this "one life to live and you go to a made up heaven and hell ... so there is no technology there ... no freedom ... believe in Christ is part of the implants ... puts everyone in GLEE ... and that is why I don't follow Christianity because they are promising something they can not deliver ... a false HOPE .. so if I could expand to a point where I got rid of the necessity to EAT ... and let the being in me keep this body alive .... on nothing .... then I would have the ultimate freedom .... wouldn't I??? ... there are some Buddhist in Tibet that put themselves in a small cave and have it sealed up for several years to meditate and obtain their enlightenment ... if you want to go that way you can ... all up to you
but what ever path you decide .. you must walk it ... there is no free trip ... you came into this physical universe and agreed to all the laws and got more and more stuck until you arrived here .... and you have to undo all that and walk back out ...
Do you really think you can do that by yourself ... up to you ...
... but there is a fast way and a slow way ...
pick what ever way suits you
jim
jiminii
31st May 2013, 04:14
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ???? you still are in agreement or you wouldn't be using the computer to look ... or going to your job to get money or anything else you have to do to survive ... want to be free ... go to tibet and live by yourself completely free of no responsibility with the HOPE ... of being free ... isn't going to get you free ... you have to vanish the agreement to gravity if you want to levitate .. and that is just one agreement... you have to vanish the agreement to be locked up in your body ... and killing yourself will only bring you back here ... well you can go to hiroshima .... just look at all those spirits there that are floating around .. and THEY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK .. THEY ARE STILL STUCK IN THE DRAMA OF THAT ATOMIC EXPLOSION ..and you can speak so lightly. ... of freedom??? who will be your next boss if we don't clear this place ... in the future ... with mind control from reptilians inside your head ... and THEY WILL REALLY BE YOUR BOSS and nothing you can do to stop it ... because you didn't want to look in this time ... where it all started
by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...
jim
Is this not contradictory? Sorry Jim, I know you feel attacked, but this isn't an attack. It's a simple request for clarification. Which of these statements is true? In what sense can it possibly be both?
the force fields are removed ... yes ... but you are still in the physical universe ... you can go to your home planet true .. do you know if there is any technology there to free you .??? because from my understanding the galaxy and home you came from is an exact copy of USA only magnified to the size of this galaxy
killing yourself will bring you back in this reality this galaxy this same period of time doesn't free you from a future entrapment ... but I believe most of the people who have chosen to be on the side of those who want a pro survival loving universe will make it through ..I can only say by intuition ... those who remain on the dark side will go where ever they will do with that group ... maybe they would have to start the whole thing again on a 3d planet ... I only have intuition ... no pictures to give you
Undoing ... is running list on a meter of everything that reads ... these are all your disagreements ... you disagree to doing something bad .. you disagree to having something bad happen to you ... you disagree to not doing something that would have been a good thing like getting a baby out of the street so it doesn't get hit by a car .. you disagree to others doing bad things to others ... you disagree to others in agreement to do bad things to each other (wars) ...
there are overts of commission (overt is an overt act that is anti survival to the dynamics of existence)
there are overts of omission (not doing the greatest good of the greatest number of the dynamics of existence)
all of this will hit you and change your path
by going back to erase all of your disagreements to this physical universe existence you become free of it and can move on out of this game
does this make sense?
jim
jiminii
31st May 2013, 04:17
if anyone wants to know what base 2 is like she can tell you ..
I would like to know what base 2 is like.
I can ask cathy if she wants to give you this data ... I am sure she will
jim
My piece will be in the shape of a lion and a lamb. We do not live on this planet without the benefits of other living things. Without respect and reverence for all that is living, all the other stuff is a moot point... We as humans are not the sole benefactors of the mess our kind has created..In my world plant and animal life will be treated with the reverence and compassion it deserves....
Fred Steeves
31st May 2013, 14:43
Donk, "The New Civilization Game" reminds me of the saying: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". What does one do when they're REALLY tired of playing games after trillions of years? Well, for starters they stop playing games. (LOL) As Alex Collier likes to say: "No more bulls**t". Trading being in little boxes for being in bigger boxes is not my idea of being free, being *truly* free is my idea of being free.
Just what is "truly free"? I can as of yet only scarcely begin to imagine, but that's a good start. The stretch of our own imagination, not someone else's, is our only limitation.
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
just look at all those spirits there that are floating around .. and THEY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK .. THEY ARE STILL STUCK IN THE DRAMA OF THAT ATOMIC EXPLOSION ..and you can speak so lightly. ... of freedom???
"Speaking lightly of freedom" is your opinion Jim, and you are most entitled to it. We are ALL stuck in drama to varying degrees (including you), or we wouldn't be here. It is my opinion that you are insisting we all begin playing out a whole new drama (or else!), but on a galactic scale like Star Wars. Thus my observation: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
If you feel it is your solemn duty to save/clear Avalon, this planet, this universe etc., then fine. If people are inclined to follow your lead in that endeavor, and Bill chooses to promote it, then fine. Just please don't be arrogantly dismayed that many of us choose not to march along behind you like good little soldiers is all. It doesn't necessarily mean that we are lost or stupid... Deal?
oh yes the future is won now from the first run and more from the second run ... can you tell me where you are going to be ???? do you absolutely KNOW where you are going to be in 300 years ... being controlled by some reptilian society that took all of this universe and put them into a matrix of mind control of complete terror ...
tell me .. DO YOU KNOW?
I will be exactly where my actions, prompted by my perceptions, lead me to. As will you and everyone else.
jiminii
31st May 2013, 16:57
Donk, "The New Civilization Game" reminds me of the saying: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". What does one do when they're REALLY tired of playing games after trillions of years? Well, for starters they stop playing games. (LOL) As Alex Collier likes to say: "No more bulls**t". Trading being in little boxes for being in bigger boxes is not my idea of being free, being *truly* free is my idea of being free.
Just what is "truly free"? I can as of yet only scarcely begin to imagine, but that's a good start. The stretch of our own imagination, not someone else's, is our only limitation.
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
just look at all those spirits there that are floating around .. and THEY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK .. THEY ARE STILL STUCK IN THE DRAMA OF THAT ATOMIC EXPLOSION ..and you can speak so lightly. ... of freedom???
"Speaking lightly of freedom" is your opinion Jim, and you are most entitled to it. We are ALL stuck in drama to varying degrees (including you), or we wouldn't be here. It is my opinion that you are insisting we all begin playing out a whole new drama (or else!), but on a galactic scale like Star Wars. Thus my observation: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
If you feel it is your solemn duty to save/clear Avalon, this planet, this universe etc., then fine. If people are inclined to follow your lead in that endeavor, and Bill chooses to promote it, then fine. Just please don't be arrogantly dismayed that many of us choose not to march along behind you like good little soldiers is all. It doesn't necessarily mean that we are lost or stupid... Deal?
oh yes the future is won now from the first run and more from the second run ... can you tell me where you are going to be ???? do you absolutely KNOW where you are going to be in 300 years ... being controlled by some reptilian society that took all of this universe and put them into a matrix of mind control of complete terror ...
tell me .. DO YOU KNOW?
I will be exactly where my actions, prompted by my perceptions, lead me to. As will you and everyone else.
you read into everything what you want to read and interpret it in your think saying it is my think
I said "he who has the greatest intention on any of his postulates will win over anyone else's intention ... doesn't matter what OT level someone has or anything else
it depends solely on a persons ability to put out an intention and make it appear in the physical universe ... and you can be some farmer on some farm who doesn't believe in anything ... but he can intend something and make it happen
so does this make me boss???? it makes anyone who can intend the boss over whatever he can make appear in the physical universe ... and these reptilians and with all their fear and all there tech can't make it happen because the combined intention of the planet is senior to everything they hit us with ... "he who have the faith of a mustard seed can move a mountain" and this is literal ... I proven to myself again and again and I never used a god to help me ... so the christians with all the disinformation put into them to make them a weak powerless being somehow seems to work to dig themselves further in the trap and stop looking for the truth... but me ... and all those sent back here don't agree ... we try to get as many as we can intending a sane environment so our intentions can salvage the bulk of the planet ... while the christians with their disinformation agree to be effect ... and depend on someone else to do all the work for them ... if you want to know the truth .. look for it but you will not find it in that altered king james version
sorry to say this but if something isn't true there is NO WAY and WORDING YOU CAN USE to make a LIE TRUE ... but ... if you want to wait until you die ... I can guarantee you .. you will see the truth ...
if you could get out of your body and go around to some of these cemeteries and look at the pathetic christians .. you can ask one of them ... "how long you been hanging around here?" ...
he might say, "oh about 200 years"
you ask him ,, "why are you hanging around here?"
he might say, "well I heard there is this judgement day .. been sitting here waiting for it"
and you might say to him. "well while you are waiting why don't you go down there and find a new baby and get productive again"
you might see the graveyard .. emptying out ...
and this is fact ..
but some people insist on being right ...no matter how wrong they are .. and they can be dead wrong ... and they could have found a way to free themselves when they were here but instead they are hanging around graveyards ... for someone else to give them directions
it is all up to you ... believing is just that ... nothing more .. fact is what is ... you only need to have the courage to look
and they have used fear ... to convince you that only someone else can get you there ... the same technique the reptilians play and the same implants they use to trap us and they are the ones that wrote and altered the books
jim
Sebastion
31st May 2013, 17:29
After reading the bulk, if not all of your posts Jiminii, I am obliged to say thanks for whatever services you think you have performed for planet earth. As for the rest of it, thanks but no thank you!
jiminii
31st May 2013, 17:37
After reading the bulk, if not all of your posts Jiminii, I am obliged to say thanks for whatever services you think you have performed for planet earth. As for the rest of it, thanks but no thank you!
i am telling my truth just like everyone else here is ...
if you can't have that it is totally ok with me
jim
My loving intention is for all children to know love and
and grow in a healthy, peaceful and safe enviornment.
I localize all the child molestors, manipulators and
politicians who abuse and suppress any child
and their natural rights and freedoms to learn
and love.
Can we believe that if ALL children learn and embrace the spiritual concept of love, then there would be no need to localize or address in any fashion the negative aspects of our world? Do not all dark things fall away in the light and love of God?
Likely many others are playing a game similar to this one. Their resonance and ours, and others will grow and expand. Morphic fields (Sheldrake) or positive attractors (Dr. David Hawkins) grow in strength and then, BAM, others who did not even have integrity on their radar screen begin to act differently, more loving. So, in my game I see a spread of affection and integrous behavior across the globe, because it's the very nature of God and the Universe. All will understand the expansion of the Universe as it's natural condition and our cells and energies will swell and expand in like fashion. No amount of darkness will be able to constrict our field. We will no longer live in 'fight or flight' and in fear. Fear has no place and cannot exist in the light of love.
Oh, it's my move? Ok, I'm playing the laughing baby card at this time. ;)
jiminii
31st May 2013, 18:49
My loving intention is for all children to know love and
and grow in a healthy, peaceful and safe enviornment.
I localize all the child molestors, manipulators and
politicians who abuse and suppress any child
and their natural rights and freedoms to learn
and love.
Can we believe that if ALL children learn and embrace the spiritual concept of love, then there would be no need to localize or address in any fashion the negative aspects of our world? Do not all dark things fall away in the light and love of God?
Likely many others are playing a game similar to this one. Their resonance and ours, and others will grow and expand. Morphic fields (Sheldrake) or positive attractors (Dr. David Hawkins) grow in strength and then, BAM, others who did not even have integrity on their radar screen begin to act differently, more loving. So, in my game I see a spread of affection and integrous behavior across the globe, because it's the very nature of God and the Universe. All will understand the expansion of the Universe as it's natural condition and our cells and energies will swell and expand in like fashion. No amount of darkness will be able to constrict our field. We will no longer live in 'fight or flight' and in fear. Fear has no place and cannot exist in the light of love.
Oh, it's my move? Ok, I'm playing the laughing baby card at this time. ;)
yes ... anything that contributes to the positiveness one wants to creates theta and theta aligns entheta .. so it can be turned into theta ... theta is a static it is source where all things came from .. entheta would be enturbulated thought ...
but admiration is a quality that with it alone could as-is things ... as-is is like make things vanish ...like vanish the creation of a broken bone ....
if we can admire our enemies ... (it is a concept I have a problem with ... trying to find what I could admire about drinking blood taken from a sacrificed baby at one of these illuminati rituals) ...
??? if we could admire this it would tend toward vanishing it's creation ... and if we can find some way to admire our enemies ... it would vanish their negativity ...
maybe you don't need to look at the negativity ... just admire the being .. keep flowing admiration to the being ... would be like giving light ... and if we could give enough we could as-is his negative condition ...
anyone got any ideas about this?
jim
Jim, I don't think you have to admire the content of the field, the murder, the blood sacrifice, etc., you simply have to understand why such content exists. Not condone it, but simply accept the expression and why it is manifest. We are not the content anyway, but the observer or the experiencer of the experience. The world is not subjective, it is perceptive, therefore such acts labeled as egregious or horrific is yet another perception..........and not real anyway.
As we ride the wave, on the leading edge, staying spot on the now of it and accepting it as God's unfolding without judgement, then it dissolves. That, living in truth, is the essence of love and the negatives can't exist.
Now, who thinks that is easy? Only a handfull have found that level of consciousness over the millenia.
Fred Steeves
31st May 2013, 19:19
Jim, I don't think you have to admire the content of the field, the murder, the blood sacrifice, etc., you simply have to understand why such content exists. Not condone it, but simply accept the expression and why it is manifest.
Absolutely conk. Understanding, not admiration.
As we ride the wave, on the leading edge, staying spot on the now of it and accepting it as God's unfolding without judgement, then it dissolves. That, living in truth, is the essence of love and the negatives can't exist.
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Now, who thinks that is easy? Only a handfull have found that level of consciousness over the millenia.
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Camilo
31st May 2013, 19:54
I borrowed these lines from my friend John, as I share his vision...
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
music
31st May 2013, 22:29
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
This is the heart of it Fred. Modified Christianity is a corruption of course, the real thoughts and messages of the energy we call Jesus just don't work on this exclusive, ego-based level. In one of my Christ-consciousness based visions as a child, I saw that this means something more along the lines of "you will never come into your power unless you realise, as I do, that we are all aspects God."
When we realise that, the desire to play games tends to fade a little bit :D
Bill Ryan
31st May 2013, 22:40
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
Delight
31st May 2013, 23:02
Light a candle.
Make a wish.
Blow out the candle.
Now...............................
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World Lyrics - Five For Fighting
Got a package full of Wishes
A Time machine, a Magic Wand
A Globe made out of Gold
No Instructions or Commandments
Laws of Gravity or
Indecisions to uphold
Printed on the box I see
A.C.M.E.'s Build-a-World-to-be
Take a chance - Grab a piece
Help me to believe it
What kind of world do you want?
Think Anything
Let's start at the start
Build a masterpiece
Be careful what you wish for
History starts now...
Should there be people or peoples
Money, Funny pedestals for Fools who never pay
Raise your Army - Choose your Steeple
Don't be shy, the satellites can look the other way
Lose the Earthquakes - Keep the Faults
Fill the oceans without the salt
Let every Man own his own Hand
Can you dig it baby
What kind of world do you want
Think Anything
Let's start at the start
Build a masterpiece
Be careful what you wish for
History starts now...
Sunlight's on the Bridge
Sunlight's on the Way
Tomorrow's Calling
There's more to this than Love
What Kind of world do you want
What Kind of world do you want
What Kind of world do you want
Think Anything
Let's start at the start
Build a masterpiece
History Starts Now Starts Now
Be careful what you wish for
Start Now NOW
Billy
31st May 2013, 23:22
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
I have often pondered over this last few years, " Is it time for some like minded souls to gather together and create a new declaration " An agreement, an oath,
a contract, a covenant. Whatever you wish to call it.
A declaration of who we are and where we wish to go. I know some have tried recently. I think Jim is on that journey. But i remember that it because of Oaths ect that humanity arrived in the pickle they find themselves.
I posted this last year on Simon Parks threads.
I think we have to be very careful in what we say when creating agreements.
Darn my battery is running out on my laptop again. I have to post this before i lose it. I did not finish. I have another battery
Here is my drawing showing my soul agreement with "Mum".
Hi Simon, You are a brave man and you have my deepest respects. Thank you.
I have watched the first 3 video's in the OP. And what has been going through my mind this last couple of years is the Universal importance and Earthly importance of agreements, Oaths, Contracts or declarations.
From what i have gathered through my research over the years,
1. Is that Oaths were created between different Universal civilizations.
2.That the Fall of the watchers was bound by an Oath or a curse mentioned in the book of Enoch.
3. That humanity has soul contracts.
4. You mentioned an agreement/contract between the Mantis and Reptilians.
5. Then we have earthly declaration that have shaped the destiny of humanity.
For example: The Magna Carta. 1215. the declaration of Abroath In Scotland. 1320. The American Declaration of Independence, 1776.
In the 3rd video with Winston Keech, Winston said that the Reptilian Father was attempting to create an agreement/contract with you.
Giving permission seems to involve an agreement/contract.
So my question is what is you're experience and opinion on Oaths, agreements, contracts. what conclusions after all you're years of experiences do you have.
Peace
bennycog
1st June 2013, 01:32
I would like to think I am not here to play games.. but to grow and expand.
music
1st June 2013, 02:47
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
Funny how everyone who doesn't agree with you or Jim is "misunderstanding", and yet we are talking about things which no person can empirically prove to another.
Or am I misunderstanding something again? :)
Fred Steeves
1st June 2013, 10:40
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
Bill. My reading comprehension skills are keeping up just fine, and I've understood where Jim is coming from since just about day one. In other words I don't need a translator,http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif and neither should Jim.
"Curiouser and curiouser" cried Alice...
jiminii
1st June 2013, 11:23
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
Bill. My reading comprehension skills are keeping up just fine, and I've understood where Jim is coming from since just about day one. In other words I don't need a translator,http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif and neither should Jim.
"Curiouser and curiouser" cried Alice...
why don't you go read my last post in "bill why dianetics is not for me..."
it doesn't say there anything about the need to do this game my way ... and I will tell you how to handle a christian ...
you see there isn't anything in the book of job that comes from India called the Old Testament ..that has anything to do with Jesus Christ.
the new testament are parts of the hymn of the dawn child and the Egyptian book of the dead ... nothing to do with Christ ..
and if I told you Christ was a Tibetan Buddhist ...that obtained the highest state that a Buddhist wanted to obtain then you will argue with that too..
I went back and saw it ... now you don't have to believe me .. you can believe anything you want ... and it is STILL BELIEVING .. doesn't make it true
a Christian is set up to handle any kind of argument ... which is exactly what you are doing ...
and if I answer the christian "yes that is true ... "
and "your right " to everything he says ... all the memory circuits in his brain will start blowing up ... and leaving him in total confusion ...
because they do not have a circuit for agreement ...
you go your way and believe what you want .. I agree with everything you say ... you are absolutely right ...
god be with you and safe you
it is totally ok ... if everything you are basing your truth on is coming from books you read and not fact ... then please SHOW ME SOME OF YOUR FACTS. and these have to be facts the can be experienced .. and seen ... then I might be willing to see your point of view
go with your god
jim
Finefeather
1st June 2013, 11:49
In the spirit of your thread, I would like to create: the ANTI-ownership society.
Where everyone literally gives the shirts off their back, for those in need (so yes, sharing clothes. Offices. Computer).
Where people don’t WANT to have more than anyone else. If they create or discover or obtain something, their instinct is not “YES!! MINE, ALL MINE!!!”, it’s “ohmigosh look what I found everyone!”
Where people don’t WANT to be better than anyone else. They are happy with who are they are, and who everyone else is, encouraging everyone to be the best, constructively criticizing when they are harming themselves or others, and enjoying each other’s company, contributions, and differences.
Where there is no WANT at all, just to BE. Truth. Light. Love. With that, with no deception, the baseline of human thought/instinct/emotion being selflessness, than we wouldn’t allow the “few bad apples to spoil the bunch”, as there’d be no hierarchy for them to be atop.
There’d be no need of exchanges based on false/arbitrary/artificial values—any energy exchange would be based on honesty. A shared reality, where we cooperate, rather than compete.
This is what my being tells me is what it means to be human. Every (powerful) thought I have strengthens the one that says: ownership is the problem. It creates competition, which encourages dishonesty. We have been deceived into making these concepts (powerful thoughts) “values”.
I am human. Ownership, competition, and deception are not my values. They are viral implants, anti-human, anti-life.
In the reality I create, everyone accepts my anti-virus: LOVE.
Excellent and well said...thank you.
I'm in brother...love you
Ray
jiminii
1st June 2013, 12:19
Re: Bill, Why Dianetics is Not For Me
when I read music and others post .. it is almost like trying to learn a new language in itself ,.. and I will try to use farmers language..
ok I saw something in his writings ... but went past so quick didn't really know what that is ...
and also I have been using another route too ... I read all the books to be able to define what I was doing with all these powers turning on
but I follow more the way of KNOWING ...
that is a rough thing ... because KNOWING is THAT .... you know ... and putting it into words is changing it from the basic KNOW which is the entire concept of KNOWINGNESS ... like I have been in those times .. of knowingness where I see the wind coming in and I suddenly turn and swing my hand and decide to make the wind go the opposite direction and it shifts instantaneous .. the other direction and creates a water spout in the bay
this is operating off the spirits native knowingness ... making the head vanish and running it to the waist ... is knowingness ... I know exactly what it is ,.. try to put it in words and you can't do it again ... but at that moment YOU KNOW ...
I moved my hands near my friends cathy waist who is screaming in pain on the floor kicking and I move my hand there and the pain blows instantly and then something I pick up knows I have to move my hand from her side to the middle and then do it and something moves in her....
you see a hurricane is going to clearwater florida and I am in Los angeles 2500 miles away and I suddenly KNOW something and flip on the TV and there is a hurricane just outside clearwater heading straight in and something in me reaches out and says "stop" ... and it stops .. but this body doesn't see it ..
I get to florida and my friends tell me that ALL THE OT 7'S ARE ON THE TOP OF THE FORT HARRISON TRYING TO AUDIT OUT THE STORM
why ????
why can't they know and move it instantly like me .... .. and reading all the books of LRH doesn't get anyone to be able to do something from his own KNOWINGNESS
so the end result we are trying to achieve gets lost ... it gets into all this thinking ... it is not like doing a spontaneous driving a car ... so it doesn't create the result of making a spirit's viewpoint able to manage the universe naturally like he would a car ... if he has to get his meter out every time he wants to find out how to do something or the I ching or any other kind of hope we can get a prediction .. type stuff than that is a poor result
I don't want a crutch to use to make my thoughts happen or change the course of hurricane coming straight at me because by the time you get the meter out to start the session the hurricane has already hit the place and going somewhere else
so knowing books is fine but it doesn't give the person a natural spontaneous ability to manage this universe
so I am trying to find a natural way to do this ... like getting 3 feet behind your head and the spirit will KNOW how to fix the body ...like I KNEW how to fix cathy's intestines ...
so I am thinking it is possible to move this viewpoint I AM ... somewhere inside the spirit's I AM ... there must be an I AM there that is creating the bodies ... do you see .. and this I AM is creating the universe with everyone else ... and creating bodies ... and it KNOWS HOW TO DO IT ... NATURALLY ...
so I think there is a middle point between this western science and eastern way of something that seems more natural ... in fact I had a dream of LRH 2 years before I knew he existed
I dove in the water in a dream ... and I ended up in this huge swimming pool and LRH was standing on this ceramic pool with ceramic walls and a metal hose is coming out of one of his breast and offering milk and there was NO ONE IN THE POOL .. the pool was empty....I thought "agh " ... and I dove back into the water again and I ended up in a blackness space and a beautiful natural nude body of a girl is there ... but the head and hands and feet fade into the darkness ... this is like the eastern religions .. no head ..no arms .. no feet ... and I thought "aghhh" again .. and I dove back into the water and it was the most happy in my life ... I was playing with the children and the dolphins ...in the sea
that is what I am looking for ... finding ways we can open up the natural abilities of a spirit and having them be able to work spontaneous and natural in this physical universe ... then I could say we have achieved something .... then I can say we can live without shoes and jobs and food and anyway we want ... and create what we want spontaneously ... . then we would have an ideal world ... where I think everyone would be happy
jim
Mitzvah
1st June 2013, 12:24
Fred.
You are already in the game. Because Bill has so adroitly tied this into Holographic Kinetics I will in turn highlight a principal of HK that is a universal principal. Once you make the agreement to go in the game, you must abide by the arena rules of those who put the game into play. We play the global controllers game by agreement to play the game.
You have to understand the rules and abide by them according to who created them. You do have the choice not to play the game.
As Jiminii just stated, an example of the terms of the game.
it doesn't say there anything about the need to do this game my way ... and I will tell you how to handle a christian ...
You do not have to play the game his way (actually you do because he created the game) but yet he will (appropriately) then tell you what to do.
This is called Doublespeak. It is a rule of this game. If you don't like the terms of the game, get out or go create your own game. I personally do not think Christians need to be handled because they already have a handler. So that is the game that Jiminnii got pulled into.
You have expectations of how you want the game played, but you didn't create the game. So you can't. You aren't going to win the game unless you know the rules of the game,......and you know them well enough to know how to cheat. Not to mention you have eliminated your own defense. You are going to lose the game. The only games we have a chance of winning are the ones we create.
After 20k plus years of game we should know this. The reason you are in the game is because you agreed to it. You have to.
Is it fair? No. No game is. The Creator of the game doesn't create a game that make it easy the opposition to win. You ever been to a Casino?
It's a game. Not reality. If you want reality, go find it.
If you want to break the game down and show it to be a game... one of the rules of the game is that the players can ignore people flipping the board over. If you reveal it to be a game the game will end. That is not what game players want.
It's still a game. All a game. What you are finding out here, you may not be very good at playing it. Look at the playbook, look at the rules.
Or don't play the game
Your choice.
I would suggest since you got rid of your defense, you are staring down down the Dallas Cowboys while you are the lone qb on the field. The qb can't make a run without a defense and you don't have one Fred.
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
Bill. My reading comprehension skills are keeping up just fine, and I've understood where Jim is coming from since just about day one. In other words I don't need a translator,http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif and neither should Jim.
"Curiouser and curiouser" cried Alice...
jiminii
1st June 2013, 14:29
Fred.
You are already in the game. Because Bill has so adroitly tied this into Holographic Kinetics I will in turn highlight a principal of HK that is a universal principal. Once you make the agreement to go in the game, you must abide by the arena rules of those who put the game into play. We play the global controllers game by agreement to play the game.
You have to understand the rules and abide by them according to who created them. You do have the choice not to play the game.
As Jiminii just stated, an example of the terms of the game.
it doesn't say there anything about the need to do this game my way ... and I will tell you how to handle a christian ...
You do not have to play the game his way (actually you do because he created the game) but yet he will (appropriately) then tell you what to do.
This is called Doublespeak. It is a rule of this game. If you don't like the terms of the game, get out or go create your own game. I personally do not think Christians need to be handled because they already have a handler. So that is the game that Jiminnii got pulled into.
You have expectations of how you want the game played, but you didn't create the game. So you can't. You aren't going to win the game unless you know the rules of the game,......and you know them well enough to know how to cheat. Not to mention you have eliminated your own defense. You are going to lose the game. The only games we have a chance of winning are the ones we create.
After 20k plus years of game we should know this. The reason you are in the game is because you agreed to it. You have to.
Is it fair? No. No game is. The Creator of the game doesn't create a game that make it easy the opposition to win. You ever been to a Casino?
It's a game. Not reality. If you want reality, go find it.
If you want to break the game down and show it to be a game... one of the rules of the game is that the players can ignore people flipping the board over. If you reveal it to be a game the game will end. That is not what game players want.
It's still a game. All a game. What you are finding out here, you may not be very good at playing it. Look at the playbook, look at the rules.
Or don't play the game
Your choice.
I would suggest since you got rid of your defense, you are staring down down the Dallas Cowboys while you are the lone qb on the field. The qb can't make a run without a defense and you don't have one Fred.
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
Bill. My reading comprehension skills are keeping up just fine, and I've understood where Jim is coming from since just about day one. In other words I don't need a translator,http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif and neither should Jim.
"Curiouser and curiouser" cried Alice...
well I finally got the part of the christians already have a handler ... hahaaha
good cognition ... I will try to avoid that trap in the future ... hahaha
jim
Wookie
1st June 2013, 15:00
transparent intention accountability
Peaceful Journeys Wookie
TheVoyager
1st June 2013, 15:06
well I finally got the part of the christians already have a handler ... hahaaha
good cognition ... I will try to avoid that trap in the future ... hahaha
jim
S. Richards says in his interview from June 3rd, 2012 on Off Planet Radio Interview with Steve Richards (http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/dreamtime-healing-ancient-aboriginal-modalities-with-steve-r.html):
"The biggest killer in our world is religion run by Draconians. It’s in the ritual."
Jim, you might be interested to listen to this video where S. Richards explains the inter-dimensional interference and the game.
A-Texwhn91A
Mitzvah
2nd June 2013, 15:06
Jim, I am curious about your thoughts on what was previously remarked upon about Ron's Org
It was mentioned they work 18 hours a day 6 days a week. My suspicious mind would steer me to think that sounds more like an agenda than a career in humanitarian work.
My creative mind, my god mind as it were, however shrugs off that notion as unimportant but still finds 'working' in any capacity that long sort of inimical to the creative expression which is a facet of our spiritual expression, our spirit. Sort of like just another 'slave-mentality'. If you know what I mean.
Your thoughts?
Peace,
Mitz
jiminii
2nd June 2013, 15:29
Jim, I am curious about your thoughts on what was previously remarked upon about Ron's Org
It was mentioned they work 18 hours a day 6 days a week. My suspicious mind would steer me to think that sounds more like an agenda than a career in humanitarian work.
My creative mind, my god mind as it were, however shrugs off that notion as unimportant but still finds 'working' in any capacity that long sort of inimical to the creative expression which is a facet of our spiritual expression, our spirit. Sort of like just another 'slave-mentality'. If you know what I mean.
Your thoughts?
Peace,
Mitz
well I have never been to Ron's Org .. only to Trey's house the auditor in california .. but in the sea org of Church of Scientology we worked 7 days a week ... as many hours as we can until we go to sleep ... to try to get the highest statistics ... it is a game ... suppose to get 2 and a half hours study time or processing time ... it is similar to getting on the web and doing what we are doing ... we feel we are making things better in the world ... so we get into games ... at Flag Service Org we could go to sleep about 9pm ... but they would have projects that anyone could volunteer to help expansion so they had one that they needed someone to put in microphones to the registrars to correct them ... they are not suppose to sell scientology they are suppose to registrar them which is guiding them to their next step ...so I would run all day picking up people to take them to their auditors and doing the phone systems all night to correct the reg's ... and I could keep the body up 3 days .. but the 3rd day I would need to sleep .. about 4 hours and then do another 3 days .. until the international justice chief ordered me to go to sleep ... hahahah
so it is all run in this way .. games ..you can choose your game .. if you like it ... then you just want to do more ... it becomes fun .. if you are winning
kind of like that ...
jim
Mitzvah
2nd June 2013, 15:34
Thanks for the information. I'm not understanding the essential difference, but you said you didn't have the Ron's org experience so it doesn't do to press.
Thanks for not getting angry though. And your honesty.
Peace,
Mitz
jiminii
2nd June 2013, 16:36
well I only got bothered when someone says inuendos .. like "we know where you're coming from " .. and he doesn't clear that ...like he is trying to get others to agree to some unknown >>> so I just have to tell the guy "if you know anything prove it ... if you don't know then you can't say you know anything about me" .. he uses WE ... so who is WE .. and he did this more than once ... saying " what makes you think project avalon bla bla bla... like he is speaking for all of PA people ... so he is deliberately attacking me personally so I thank you for what you said about he lost the game ... that was great
thanks
jim
Delight
3rd June 2013, 16:45
In the spirit of your thread, I would like to create: the ANTI-ownership society.
Where everyone literally gives the shirts off their back, for those in need (so yes, sharing clothes. Offices. Computer).
Where people don’t WANT to have more than anyone else. If they create or discover or obtain something, their instinct is not “YES!! MINE, ALL MINE!!!”, it’s “ohmigosh look what I found everyone!”
Where people don’t WANT to be better than anyone else. They are happy with who are they are, and who everyone else is, encouraging everyone to be the best, constructively criticizing when they are harming themselves or others, and enjoying each other’s company, contributions, and differences.
Where there is no WANT at all, just to BE. Truth. Light. Love. With that, with no deception, the baseline of human thought/instinct/emotion being selflessness, than we wouldn’t allow the “few bad apples to spoil the bunch”, as there’d be no hierarchy for them to be atop.
There’d be no need of exchanges based on false/arbitrary/artificial values—any energy exchange would be based on honesty. A shared reality, where we cooperate, rather than compete.
This is what my being tells me is what it means to be human. Every (powerful) thought I have strengthens the one that says: ownership is the problem. It creates competition, which encourages dishonesty. We have been deceived into making these concepts (powerful thoughts) “values”.
I am human. Ownership, competition, and deception are not my values. They are viral implants, anti-human, anti-life.
In the reality I create, everyone accepts my anti-virus: LOVE.
Excellent and well said...thank you.
I'm in brother...love you
Ray
This is a very interesting as it discusses evolution of cooperation as a
natural selection process. But it is cyclic and oscillating. This really reminds me that the social or organizational landscape is always changing in the cycles we have heard so much about. In these grand cycles, we each have our own opportunities.
I tried to embed the video but it didn't work.
http://mit.tv/ylJhu4
According to the reigning competition-driven model of evolution, selfish behaviors that maximize an organism’s reproductive potential offer a fitness advantage over self-sacrificing behaviors—rendering unselfish behavior for the sake of others a mystery that requires extra explanation. Evolution, Games, and God addresses this conundrum by exploring how cooperation, working alongside mutation and natural selection, plays a critical role in populations from microbes to human societies. Inheriting a tendency to cooperate, argue the contributors to this book, may be as beneficial as the self-preserving instincts usually thought to be decisive in evolutionary dynamics.
Assembling experts in mathematical biology, history of science, psychology, philosophy, and theology, Martin Nowak and Sarah Coakley take an interdisciplinary approach to the terms “cooperation” and “altruism.” Using game theory, the authors elucidate mechanisms by which cooperation—a form of working together in which one individual benefits at the cost of another—arises through natural selection. They then examine altruism—cooperation which includes the sometimes conscious choice to act sacrificially for the collective good—as a key concept in scientific attempts to explain the origins of morality. Discoveries in cooperation go beyond the spread of genes in a population to include the spread of cultural transformations such as languages, ethics, and religious systems of meaning.
The authors resist the presumption that theology and evolutionary theory are inevitably at odds. Rather, in rationally presenting a number of theological interpretations of the phenomena of cooperation and altruism, they find evolutionary explanation and theology to be strongly compatible. http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674047976
http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Games-God-Principle-Cooperation/dp/0674047974
This is a very interesting as it discusses evolution of cooperation as a
natural selection process. But it is cyclic and oscillating.
That's what they tell us, and a pyramidal heirarchy needs cycles to keep the same folks on top.
I look at Maslow's "heirarchy of needs", and feel that of course we need the survival layer is covered--which I believe is necessarily, just by existing, right? If you didn't have the survival needs, you would not survive. We like to tell ourselves we got there by Darwinian evolution, survival of the fittest is our excuse for any past indescretions. I added my observation of these cycles below, gleaned from personal experience, "evidence" I've come across, most (or all) of which is stories that I'm told**
I believe the data is there to support the fact that as a species, we can sustain the 7 billion or so of us at an even slightly higher "bottom of Maslow's pyramid", and the all work together as a species to achieve as much self actualization (the top of the pyramid--another word for "clear"?) as possible.
But we fall into the lies of the current paradigm.
I need much stronger data and evidence to be convinced that it is ever beneficial to consciously harm (take energy from) another living being for selfish purposes. Perhaps this ultimately leads to an existence where we've evolved to effortlessly naturally take our energy directly from a star (an entity freely emitting energy for the taking)...
**donk's "theory of cyclical civilization":
To me, the cycle appears to be a bad apple appears in a group and wants more than they need. They use deception to manipulate others. Build a power structure, because my definition of a bad apple is someone who can't get ENOUGH, a tumor. It is dependant on infinite growth, an unsustainable impossibility in a power structure built on false (LIES) scarcity of resources and unequal distribution. People get fed, there's a revolution. Guillotines for the puppets the bad apple(s) manufactured for the (ignorant) masses consumption. Illusion of enlightment, while the power structure allows the new idealist altruistic leaders to sort out the mess and make the masses feel empowered, while the bad apple power structures has learned newer more sophistic methods of mass control...rinse, repeat.
Necessarily, the belief that THINGS JUST HAPPEN IN CYCLES, is part of the sophisticated control mechanism, a tried and true program that transcends the history of societal control
jiminii
4th June 2013, 04:09
In the spirit of your thread, I would like to create: the ANTI-ownership society.
Where everyone literally gives the shirts off their back, for those in need (so yes, sharing clothes. Offices. Computer).
Where people don’t WANT to have more than anyone else. If they create or discover or obtain something, their instinct is not “YES!! MINE, ALL MINE!!!”, it’s “ohmigosh look what I found everyone!”
Where people don’t WANT to be better than anyone else. They are happy with who are they are, and who everyone else is, encouraging everyone to be the best, constructively criticizing when they are harming themselves or others, and enjoying each other’s company, contributions, and differences.
Where there is no WANT at all, just to BE. Truth. Light. Love. With that, with no deception, the baseline of human thought/instinct/emotion being selflessness, than we wouldn’t allow the “few bad apples to spoil the bunch”, as there’d be no hierarchy for them to be atop.
There’d be no need of exchanges based on false/arbitrary/artificial values—any energy exchange would be based on honesty. A shared reality, where we cooperate, rather than compete.
This is what my being tells me is what it means to be human. Every (powerful) thought I have strengthens the one that says: ownership is the problem. It creates competition, which encourages dishonesty. We have been deceived into making these concepts (powerful thoughts) “values”.
I am human. Ownership, competition, and deception are not my values. They are viral implants, anti-human, anti-life.
In the reality I create, everyone accepts my anti-virus: LOVE.
Excellent and well said...thank you.
I'm in brother...love you
Ray
This is a very interesting as it discusses evolution of cooperation as a
natural selection process. But it is cyclic and oscillating. This really reminds me that the social or organizational landscape is always changing in the cycles we have heard so much about. In these grand cycles, we each have our own opportunities.
I tried to embed the video but it didn't work.
http://mit.tv/ylJhu4
According to the reigning competition-driven model of evolution, selfish behaviors that maximize an organism’s reproductive potential offer a fitness advantage over self-sacrificing behaviors—rendering unselfish behavior for the sake of others a mystery that requires extra explanation. Evolution, Games, and God addresses this conundrum by exploring how cooperation, working alongside mutation and natural selection, plays a critical role in populations from microbes to human societies. Inheriting a tendency to cooperate, argue the contributors to this book, may be as beneficial as the self-preserving instincts usually thought to be decisive in evolutionary dynamics.
Assembling experts in mathematical biology, history of science, psychology, philosophy, and theology, Martin Nowak and Sarah Coakley take an interdisciplinary approach to the terms “cooperation” and “altruism.” Using game theory, the authors elucidate mechanisms by which cooperation—a form of working together in which one individual benefits at the cost of another—arises through natural selection. They then examine altruism—cooperation which includes the sometimes conscious choice to act sacrificially for the collective good—as a key concept in scientific attempts to explain the origins of morality. Discoveries in cooperation go beyond the spread of genes in a population to include the spread of cultural transformations such as languages, ethics, and religious systems of meaning.
The authors resist the presumption that theology and evolutionary theory are inevitably at odds. Rather, in rationally presenting a number of theological interpretations of the phenomena of cooperation and altruism, they find evolutionary explanation and theology to be strongly compatible. http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674047976
http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Games-God-Principle-Cooperation/dp/0674047974
the basic problem of one wanting more than another could be the control mechanism of the reactive mind ... he gets hit in the head and someone says something like "run run run you're safe"
next time he gets hit in the head someone says "stop you're out"
then when he gets around baseballs he gets ...a migraine headache because he doesn't know whether to run or stop ,,,,
now add this to thousands of other unconscious memories ... like in a hospital and he is unconscious from some drug and the doctors are talking "bla bla bla"
all goes into this stimulus response mechanism ... of the reactive mind .... and you put them all together ,.. like winning valences ... (assumed personality of another person) where he has some valance of his father or alexander the great .. and this makes up his entire personality ... and he is driven like someone hypnotized him to do it with a do or you'll die .... type hypnotic command
and you can see what makes people want to take everyone else's possessions .. they actually have something there in the mind that thinks it can't survive if it doesn't own everything
jim
chocolate
19th June 2013, 21:45
I would like to think I am not here to play games.. but to grow and expand.
Everything is a game, and if you remember Joker from Batman, he asked: "Why so serious?" in a creepy kind of way...
I want to know what Base 2 is like, too. And Cathy. I am just this curious type of a being.
I cannot say I understand with my rational mind everything said before me, but i did get the intention part. For some reason I think I get more jim's intention than his literal words, but I do read the words also. I'll do my part of the game tomorrow when I have a bit more time and some more fresh brainpower. Today someone seems to have been logged in me or around me, but I will make a wish first that he leaves me in peace, and than will continue. (I know I sound totally crazy...)
But I also have a question. If what we imagine/the new game we create, is too perfect, and keeping in mind the idea that we have gathered here to know thyselves based on the polarity of good/bad, light/dark and so on (this might be a lie I think to be true, but am not sure), than what would happen with the game?
I appreciate the argument in this thread. It served to make me more informed, or at least to be able to create a more clear understanding of the different opinions.
off topic to jim-> I have been seriously tempted to live with the minimum amount of baggage , on the go, and feel totally free, but I guess some force is still holding me down and mostly in one place. Probably because I like hot shower, clean crisp sheets and the like... all this attachment thing still not ready to let go...
YEAH such a GAME....a game playing us. We are to bring the inside out AND PLAY LIKE WEVE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE..lol Someone else's game is being shoved down our throats...if something is going to be played, it may as well be Us doing it!
johnf
19th June 2013, 22:04
YEAH such a GAME....a game playing us. We are to bring the inside out AND PLAY LIKE WEVE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE..lol Someone else's game is being shoved down our throats...if something is going to be played, it may as well be Us doing it!
How big can we make our own personal spirit of play in the face of all this nonsense going on in the world.
The Sun? The Core of the Galaxy?
Whatever it is that can look down on the lil tiny dot that is this universe, and laughingly say no problem?
jf
Billy
19th June 2013, 22:29
YEAH such a GAME....a game playing us. We are to bring the inside out AND PLAY LIKE WEVE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE..lol Someone else's game is being shoved down our throats...if something is going to be played, it may as well be Us doing it!
I agree, I think it is time to change the song. The record got stuck sometime ago. I cannot post video's just now but here you go.
Oh the games people play now
Every night and every day now
Never meaning what they say now
Never saying what they mean
And they wile away the hours
In their ivory towers
Till they're covered up with flowers
In the back of a black limousine
[Chorus:]
La-da da da da da da da
La-da da da da da de
Talking 'bout you and me
And the games people play
Oh we make one another cry
Break a heart then we say goodbye
Cross our hearts and we hope to die
That the other was to blame
Neither one will give in
So we gaze at our eight by ten
Thinking 'bout the things that might have been
It's a dirty rotten shame
[Chorus]
People walking up to you
Singing glory hallelulia
And they're tryin to sock it to you
In the name of the Lord
They're gonna teach you how to meditate
Read your horoscope, cheat your faith
And further more to hell with hate
Come on and get on board
[Chorus]
Look around tell me what you see
What's happening to you and me
God grant me the serenity
To remember who I am
Cause you've given up your sanity
For your pride and your vanity
Turns you sad on humanity
And you don't give a da da da da da
~~~~~~~~~~~~
It is lovely to be amongst folks that do give a damn.
peace
Nanoo Nanoo
19th June 2013, 22:34
we over take the bad guys
we all move to the country and eat ice cream
i get given my space ship back and i fly off home to my family. . .
Naniu
How big can we make our own personal spirit of play in the face of all this nonsense going on in the world
This nonsense wouldn't be happening if our spirit was at play/creation
chocolate
20th June 2013, 21:13
I promised to post my new civilization plan:
1. All of the people, the ones that have been born and the ones that are comming, have realized their innocence and the scope of their "moral" capacity. Everything they do is coming only from their true understanding of what is to be a "human" on Earth and why it is happening. Everyone is free to choose and chooses responsibly.
[I don't like rules and rates of being right or wrong, so I choose the freedom of informed, conscious and free choice. In a way it is close to what we are experiencing, and not at the same time. Don't know how to say it better.]
2. We stay as innocent as children are, and we never get into all the shaping of what is "appropriate" by anyone else's standard. We live to play the innocent game.
At least that is how I get to play with the power of me creating.
3. We get to understand animals and nature in a new way which in turn just makes us much more responsible toward everything.
4. We are cured from all types of laziness and the spark of curiosity is always glowing.
I don't necessarily care about free whatever, possession and the like.
Freedom and service to all is what I want.
[ socialism, communism, etc. situations came to my mind while reading some of the posts before me. I come from that experiment, so no, thank you, does not really work with the current state of humanity. May be it will work for the new one, but for some reason I see the term "free" a bit obscured ]
If I had to Remote View the future I get all those light bright colors, and the air is crisp and fresh, the bees are buzzing during the day, the crickets- during the nights, everyone goes to sleep with a smile on their faces and with the feeling of being loved and necessary.
All in all, when I reread what I wrote, I think I see the perfect buddhist society where everyone is aware of "the path".
donk
20th June 2013, 22:01
Love your post, except hate when my ideas of demonizing the concept of ownership gets associated with socialism or communism or any "ISM"....I'm talking a change in mindset, not the "rules"
chocolate
21st June 2013, 07:07
donk, I did not mean to demonize ownership, but for me existing in this 3d reality is strongly connected somehow with "ownership" of sorts, with the exchange of material things which for that reason need to be connected with those who exchange them. The -isms came to my mind while reading, but in general, not because of your post. I am also a strong advocated of society where we don't exist to buy the latest apple product/car/house/company/island etc. For me we need a change of the mindset and a change in the point of view in general.
I cannot quote exactly right now, but there was the idea form the Dalai Lama I think, that if all children were to "meditate", for a short time there will be no more war in the world. I come also with that philosophy.
donk
21st June 2013, 16:23
I demonize "ownership", to clarify: I just took exception that doing so often leads those that I present the idea to down the same track you went (well if you get rid of ownership we'll all be commie socialists & we see how that worked out)
Socialism in practice worked out as well as "democracy" is currently working out to "bring freedom"...take that for what it's worth
I think we're pretty much on same page
jiminii
21st June 2013, 16:31
I demonize "ownership", to clarify: I just took exception that doing so often leads those that I present the idea to down the same track you went (well if you get rid of ownership we'll all be commie socialists & we see how that worked out)
Socialism in practice worked out as well as "democracy" is currently working out to "bring freedom"...take that for what it's worth
I think we're pretty much on same page
let's take us back up to the top .... let's say we have all beings in this universe rehabilitated ... so they can create their own planets if they like ...now ... if you create your own planet by yourself ... then ... who do you think should be the owner of the planet ... ???? if anyone else can create their own planet ... .. who then should be the owner ...
???? then I could invite anyone to my planet .... but if I live in a community where all is owned by everyone ... then I can't even have my own living quarters ... because anyone can decide ... Hey ... the population is getting bigger you have to put 50 people in your 10 by 10 room ....
when all you need to do it create more planets ... and more space .. and more of anything and teach others how to do it too
jim
donk
21st June 2013, 16:56
I demonize "ownership", to clarify: I just took exception that doing so often leads those that I present the idea to down the same track you went (well if you get rid of ownership we'll all be commie socialists & we see how that worked out)
Socialism in practice worked out as well as "democracy" is currently working out to "bring freedom"...take that for what it's worth
I think we're pretty much on same page
let's take us back up to the top .... let's say we have all beings in this universe rehabilitated ... so they can create their own planets if they like ...now ... if you create your own planet by yourself ... then ... who do you think should be the owner of the planet ... ???? if anyone else can create their own planet ... .. who then should be the owner ...
???? then I could invite anyone to my planet .... but if I live in a community where all is owned by everyone ... then I can't even have my own living quarters ... because anyone can decide ... Hey ... the population is getting bigger you have to put 50 people in your 10 by 10 room ....
when all you need to do it create more planets ... and more space .. and more of anything and teach others how to do it too
jim
This is exactly what I am talking about.
If I created my own planet, I would do so not to own it. I would do it for creation sake. And do my best not to be possessive of it all.
Maybe that makes it vulnerable to being dominated, taken over, owned. So be it. Just cuz someone else wants it, doesn't mean I need to get all bent if it is taken over. Learn from experience, and get back to creation...from square one (and possessions: zero)
I have lost everything (and more) twice. I have learned to not get attached to anything. To experience it for what it is, and not need it to be "mine".
I will give you the shirt off my back. Literally. If you think you need it. And it will not harm me to do so.
Think about it like doing this, except not recording, or caring if anyone else ever sees it. Sharing it with anyone who happens to intersect your "here & now", but not necessarily going out of your way to:
WWepVUYn54s
jiminii
21st June 2013, 17:01
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
I have often pondered over this last few years, " Is it time for some like minded souls to gather together and create a new declaration " An agreement, an oath,
a contract, a covenant. Whatever you wish to call it.
A declaration of who we are and where we wish to go. I know some have tried recently. I think Jim is on that journey. But i remember that it because of Oaths ect that humanity arrived in the pickle they find themselves.
I posted this last year on Simon Parks threads.
I think we have to be very careful in what we say when creating agreements.
Darn my battery is running out on my laptop again. I have to post this before i lose it. I did not finish. I have another battery
Here is my drawing showing my soul agreement with "Mum".
Hi Simon, You are a brave man and you have my deepest respects. Thank you.
I have watched the first 3 video's in the OP. And what has been going through my mind this last couple of years is the Universal importance and Earthly importance of agreements, Oaths, Contracts or declarations.
From what i have gathered through my research over the years,
1. Is that Oaths were created between different Universal civilizations.
2.That the Fall of the watchers was bound by an Oath or a curse mentioned in the book of Enoch.
3. That humanity has soul contracts.
4. You mentioned an agreement/contract between the Mantis and Reptilians.
5. Then we have earthly declaration that have shaped the destiny of humanity.
For example: The Magna Carta. 1215. the declaration of Abroath In Scotland. 1320. The American Declaration of Independence, 1776.
In the 3rd video with Winston Keech, Winston said that the Reptilian Father was attempting to create an agreement/contract with you.
Giving permission seems to involve an agreement/contract.
So my question is what is you're experience and opinion on Oaths, agreements, contracts. what conclusions after all you're years of experiences do you have.
Peace
we are creating it as we speak ... from one end of the internet to the next ... all these thoughts to change the world combining together .. aligning ... everywhere .... that the cabal ... so small ... no matter how much they own their only solution is to get rid of the populations ... they allow to be created .. with their irresponsibility ... they created poverty everywhere .... because they are racists ... and everywhere there is poverty they have over population ... they created it so they can destroy it even Hitler wanted to destroy everyone and only create a super breed ...
so these elite will fail ... while the rest of this world will surpass them ... we will grow together and make the new world with a freedom for all ....
we are doing it now ... all over the internet .... with our creations for a more positive life
jim
jiminii
21st June 2013, 17:32
I demonize "ownership", to clarify: I just took exception that doing so often leads those that I present the idea to down the same track you went (well if you get rid of ownership we'll all be commie socialists & we see how that worked out)
Socialism in practice worked out as well as "democracy" is currently working out to "bring freedom"...take that for what it's worth
I think we're pretty much on same page
let's take us back up to the top .... let's say we have all beings in this universe rehabilitated ... so they can create their own planets if they like ...now ... if you create your own planet by yourself ... then ... who do you think should be the owner of the planet ... ???? if anyone else can create their own planet ... .. who then should be the owner ...
???? then I could invite anyone to my planet .... but if I live in a community where all is owned by everyone ... then I can't even have my own living quarters ... because anyone can decide ... Hey ... the population is getting bigger you have to put 50 people in your 10 by 10 room ....
when all you need to do it create more planets ... and more space .. and more of anything and teach others how to do it too
jim
This is exactly what I am talking about.
If I created my own planet, I would do so not to own it. I would do it for creation sake. And do my best not to be possessive of it all.
Maybe that makes it vulnerable to being dominated, taken over, owned. So be it. Just cuz someone else wants it, doesn't mean I need to get all bent if it is taken over. Learn from experience, and get back to creation...from square one (and possessions: zero)
I have lost everything (and more) twice. I have learned to not get attached to anything. To experience it for what it is, and not need it to be "mine".
I will give you the shirt off my back. Literally. If you think you need it. And it will not harm me to do so.
Think about it like doing this, except not recording, or caring if anyone else ever sees it. Sharing it with anyone who happens to intersect your "here & now", but not necessarily going out of your way to:
WWepVUYn54s
but it will balance itself out .... if we all work to regain our native abilities ... see .... if I created a planet ... it would be awfully lonely ... if I don't share it ... and if I am able to create planets ... I can make more ... so there is no problem ... the thing is this ... this universe got so greedy ... only the most powerful could hold it together ... but as they kept creating wars and repeating their civilizations again and again ... from a "MIND" ... that was designed poorly ... we had put in this mind ... this one survival factor ... "we are always right" ... that alone would make it fail ... so everyone on the planet makes mistakes ... but the mind keeps saying "it didn't make any mistakes ...it must and is always right" ... then this "MIND" .. also took no responsibility for the data when the body became unconscious .... so it can be filled with lies and hypnotic commands and booby traps ....
do you know that without this "MIND" ..(we didn't need ... we can just KNOW) ... they can not create theta traps all over the universe designed to knock out a spirit and scramble his memory and fill it full of lies ... because he would NOT HAVE a mind that can be filled with any data ... the spirit can just KNOW ...
it would be IMPOSSIBLE to trap one and at the same time we wouldn't make a lot of mistakes with a "MIND" that doesn't take responsibility for the data when it is KNOCK OUT by some super force .... so we wouldn't be making all these mistakes that brought down the BIG being saying he is too dangerous and too unpredictable ... ... he would be more like the bruce lee without the "MIND" ... that would be able to perfect itself more and more ... and of course we can make mistakes .. and hurt people but we will also have the technology to remove the charge ... too ... how can I survive a 16 pound sledgehammer going right through my head with so much thick paste blood on the back of my head you would think all my brains ended up there too ... and then something from the future comes ... and in an instant ... my head is back and I must have washed a good size bowl of jelly I pulled out of my hair and I look in the mirror ... NO BUMP ... NO CUT ... NO HEADACHE ... NOTHING .... but i must have REALLY shook up the oil drilling crew ... the driller couldn't believe there was nothing wrong and ordered me to go to the hospital ... and after that the entire rig was afraid to work around me ... so I have no idea what they saw .... so these are things that can happen if we are aligned again ... and we can take care of those disasters ..too .... but if we don't free the spirit ... it will be worse .. eventually everyone will be trapped
jim
jiminii
22nd June 2013, 05:00
I promised to post my new civilization plan:
1. All of the people, the ones that have been born and the ones that are comming, have realized their innocence and the scope of their "moral" capacity. Everything they do is coming only from their true understanding of what is to be a "human" on Earth and why it is happening. Everyone is free to choose and chooses responsibly.
[I don't like rules and rates of being right or wrong, so I choose the freedom of informed, conscious and free choice. In a way it is close to what we are experiencing, and not at the same time. Don't know how to say it better.]
2. We stay as innocent as children are, and we never get into all the shaping of what is "appropriate" by anyone else's standard. We live to play the innocent game.
At least that is how I get to play with the power of me creating.
3. We get to understand animals and nature in a new way which in turn just makes us much more responsible toward everything.
4. We are cured from all types of laziness and the spark of curiosity is always glowing.
I don't necessarily care about free whatever, possession and the like.
Freedom and service to all is what I want.
[ socialism, communism, etc. situations came to my mind while reading some of the posts before me. I come from that experiment, so no, thank you, does not really work with the current state of humanity. May be it will work for the new one, but for some reason I see the term "free" a bit obscured ]
If I had to Remote View the future I get all those light bright colors, and the air is crisp and fresh, the bees are buzzing during the day, the crickets- during the nights, everyone goes to sleep with a smile on their faces and with the feeling of being loved and necessary.
All in all, when I reread what I wrote, I think I see the perfect buddhist society where everyone is aware of "the path".
I like this .... it is real and she is looking from her own viewpoint .... is very creative and loving
Posted by donk (here)
This is exactly what I am talking about.
If I created my own planet, I would do so not to own it. I would do it for creation sake. And do my best not to be possessive of it all.
Maybe that makes it vulnerable to being dominated, taken over, owned. So be it. Just cuz someone else wants it, doesn't mean I need to get all bent if it is taken over. Learn from experience, and get back to creation...from square one (and possessions: zero)
I have lost everything (and more) twice. I have learned to not get attached to anything. To experience it for what it is, and not need it to be "mine".
I will give you the shirt off my back. Literally. If you think you need it. And it will not harm me to do so.
Think about it like doing this, except not recording, or caring if anyone else ever sees it. Sharing it with anyone who happens to intersect your "here & now", but not necessarily going out of your way to:
both freedom and creative .... just a different viewpoint .... there are systems that are pure magic .... should take you to Loas sometimes you can see a fantastic beautiful INNOCENT .. commune .... and beautiful sharing ... and money can be made by the commune in sharing and also individual to each's desire and all works beautifully
jim
donk
23rd June 2013, 14:02
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
I have often pondered over this last few years, " Is it time for some like minded souls to gather together and create a new declaration " An agreement, an oath,
a contract, a covenant. Whatever you wish to call it.
A declaration of who we are and where we wish to go. I know some have tried recently. I think Jim is on that journey. But i remember that it because of Oaths ect that humanity arrived in the pickle they find themselves.
I posted this last year on Simon Parks threads.
I think we have to be very careful in what we say when creating agreements.
Darn my battery is running out on my laptop again. I have to post this before i lose it. I did not finish. I have another battery
Here is my drawing showing my soul agreement with "Mum".
Hi Simon, You are a brave man and you have my deepest respects. Thank you.
I have watched the first 3 video's in the OP. And what has been going through my mind this last couple of years is the Universal importance and Earthly importance of agreements, Oaths, Contracts or declarations.
From what i have gathered through my research over the years,
1. Is that Oaths were created between different Universal civilizations.
2.That the Fall of the watchers was bound by an Oath or a curse mentioned in the book of Enoch.
3. That humanity has soul contracts.
4. You mentioned an agreement/contract between the Mantis and Reptilians.
5. Then we have earthly declaration that have shaped the destiny of humanity.
For example: The Magna Carta. 1215. the declaration of Abroath In Scotland. 1320. The American Declaration of Independence, 1776.
In the 3rd video with Winston Keech, Winston said that the Reptilian Father was attempting to create an agreement/contract with you.
Giving permission seems to involve an agreement/contract.
So my question is what is you're experience and opinion on Oaths, agreements, contracts. what conclusions after all you're years of experiences do you have.
Peace
we are creating it as we speak ... from one end of the internet to the next ... all these thoughts to change the world combining together .. aligning ... everywhere .... that the cabal ... so small ... no matter how much they own their only solution is to get rid of the populations ... they allow to be created .. with their irresponsibility ... they created poverty everywhere .... because they are racists ... and everywhere there is poverty they have over population ... they created it so they can destroy it even Hitler wanted to destroy everyone and only create a super breed ...
so these elite will fail ... while the rest of this world will surpass them ... we will grow together and make the new world with a freedom for all ....
we are doing it now ... all over the internet .... with our creations for a more positive life
jim
I don't believe people do anything just "because they are racists" or build/create just to destroy. I believe this is the immature mindset that we are mostly locked into, that they programmed us with. I believe "evil actions just because or for evil's sake" is not sophisticated or deep enough thinking.
I believe a lot of "their" motivation is the own enough material, but they (they manipulators of our shared reality) do not have that within their the being: the concept of ENOUGH. So what motivates the "parasite that has it all"? I suggest this: ownership, possession, of the hearts and minds of everyone (for those that are control driven) and ownership of our soul (for those that beings that can truly extract the energy our "being" emits...true vampires)
In my reality, these creatures would not be able hide themselves as well as they have
¤=[Post Update]=¤
I'd love to see that Jim (communal Laos), it sounds like what I want to create
jiminii
23rd June 2013, 14:54
undoing everything you agreed to to get in this trap is the only way you can get free .... if you want to be free zip like that ????
Well Jim, right there is a problem area. While in a certain respect you are indeed correct, what you are saying is that all agreements must be nullified, except to agree with you/LRH. This also is surprisingly similar to Constantine's New Testament, in which there is only one way to heaven.
Fred, you're misunderstanding. Let me try to translate!
Reality is 'solid' and 'shared' only because we agree it is. My words are real to you here only because we agree they are. Your name is Fred only because we agree it is.
That's what Jim is meaning here. It's a metaphysical reference to resetting all one's assumptions and 'working agreements' about what is so. That grants a very great deal of freedom to choose, or to choose anew. It's nothing to do with compliance! :)
I have often pondered over this last few years, " Is it time for some like minded souls to gather together and create a new declaration " An agreement, an oath,
a contract, a covenant. Whatever you wish to call it.
A declaration of who we are and where we wish to go. I know some have tried recently. I think Jim is on that journey. But i remember that it because of Oaths ect that humanity arrived in the pickle they find themselves.
I posted this last year on Simon Parks threads.
I think we have to be very careful in what we say when creating agreements.
Darn my battery is running out on my laptop again. I have to post this before i lose it. I did not finish. I have another battery
Here is my drawing showing my soul agreement with "Mum".
Hi Simon, You are a brave man and you have my deepest respects. Thank you.
I have watched the first 3 video's in the OP. And what has been going through my mind this last couple of years is the Universal importance and Earthly importance of agreements, Oaths, Contracts or declarations.
From what i have gathered through my research over the years,
1. Is that Oaths were created between different Universal civilizations.
2.That the Fall of the watchers was bound by an Oath or a curse mentioned in the book of Enoch.
3. That humanity has soul contracts.
4. You mentioned an agreement/contract between the Mantis and Reptilians.
5. Then we have earthly declaration that have shaped the destiny of humanity.
For example: The Magna Carta. 1215. the declaration of Abroath In Scotland. 1320. The American Declaration of Independence, 1776.
In the 3rd video with Winston Keech, Winston said that the Reptilian Father was attempting to create an agreement/contract with you.
Giving permission seems to involve an agreement/contract.
So my question is what is you're experience and opinion on Oaths, agreements, contracts. what conclusions after all you're years of experiences do you have.
Peace
we are creating it as we speak ... from one end of the internet to the next ... all these thoughts to change the world combining together .. aligning ... everywhere .... that the cabal ... so small ... no matter how much they own their only solution is to get rid of the populations ... they allow to be created .. with their irresponsibility ... they created poverty everywhere .... because they are racists ... and everywhere there is poverty they have over population ... they created it so they can destroy it even Hitler wanted to destroy everyone and only create a super breed ...
so these elite will fail ... while the rest of this world will surpass them ... we will grow together and make the new world with a freedom for all ....
we are doing it now ... all over the internet .... with our creations for a more positive life
jim
I don't believe people do anything just "because they are racists" or build/create just to destroy. I believe this is the immature mindset that we are mostly locked into, that they programmed us with. I believe "evil actions just because or for evil's sake" is not sophisticated or deep enough thinking.
I believe a lot of "their" motivation is the own enough material, but they (they manipulators of our shared reality) do not have that within their the being: the concept of ENOUGH. So what motivates the "parasite that has it all"? I suggest this: ownership, possession, of the hearts and minds of everyone (for those that are control driven) and ownership of our soul (for those that beings that can truly extract the energy our "being" emits...true vampires)
In my reality, these creatures would not be able hide themselves as well as they have
¤=[Post Update]=¤
I'd love to see that Jim (communal Laos), it sounds like what I want to create
well my friend is studying to be a doctor and she took me to that village ... and she got in trouble because she took me there .. the village agreed but those in the staff of the school didn't like it ... and actually I can see their point ...
the place is so innocent .. a westerner can easily go in there and corrupt these innocent villagers ... there are so many laws to protect laos for example .. you can not be in a hotel room alone with a laos girl ... she could be fined and you can be put in jail ... doesn't matter if you didn't do anything ... they put a warning in the American Embassy about this ...
yes it would be a great thing and I wished I could go volunteer and live there teaching English ... so natural and fun ... ..
but I can see this world would not be ready for something so simple and clean and natural as this .. all along the top boarders of thailand and south China between burma and laos are also many tribes that wear very colorful clothing ... and have this same natural way ... and can live on the land and don't need electricity ... .. but there is always those that will exploit them .. for prostitution or anything else .. some of these tribal people are born in Thailand and are not even allowed citizenship .. they live in their own villages ...
but ... some day ... soon I hope ... (I often felt if we did have a pole shift ... it would be the only way to go back to simplicity) ... but I threw that idea away ... we have to face this and bring in the change ourselves ...
and though it is not easy and coming back from the future to do this ... well ... I don't regret it ... I let it go for awhile didn't read the newspapers ... didn't have any English newspapers until I found I can go internet with a cell phone here ... but slow ... then got a PC ... and ... back into the game ... well ... I was so peaceful these last few years ...
but these things started coming together ... with alex collier ... and suddenly I saw it all ... I don't have everything perfect .. and I can't prove it either ... but I can feel it is really happening ... and I had to find a way back ...
I had to tell this story because ... I might be the only one that had this lucky accident that turn on all those powers ... and lead me to all these countries ...
but this story couldn't be told ... I even talked to Bill ... he has a story to tell too ... but he is not ready ... he is waiting his time too ... it was after I was dated when I came in this body on the same day an hour later i am laying in my bed ... I am so overwhelmed with constant light coming in ... and I said, "who am I ... ???" and he word Metteyya ... came ...
well that is so unreal for me ... I got up and in about 15 minutes I found project avalon and inelia to verify what was opening up inside me ... (spirit knows .. and took me there) ...
but this body ... NO NO NO ... I don't want to be HIM ... i have enough problems trying to tell my stories about the miracles ... and now ... THIS METTEYYA ... and I have to go back and be audited again to find my other bodies ... and I sit there ... wondering ... "god ... this auditor isn't going to believe me" ... and it comes out on the meter ... and I could see in the auditors face ... no matter how hard he tried to hide it ... (they can invalidate you or evaluate for you) .... he just was in such a doubt too .... but he continued the sessions and we located the other bodies .... and then the million that was created came up too ... I told him .. "I don't think we can locate all these bodies ... there must be a million or so ... we would never have time to find them all ) so we ended the session ... and still this was only part of the picture ...
coming back to asia ... and this thing alex collier said in sept 2012 ... NOW THAT IS ANOTHER MIRACLE ... of all the data you can swim through on the internet ... and I find this one ... and the DOOR OPENS ....
Wow ... what the hell am I going to do with this ... write a book .. no .. needs to be out now .... well .. god ... no one anywhere is going to believe it ...
so I decided to come to this site ... and it was a bit weird to do ... I am getting hit by all this other think ... and yet some people are allowing me to be here ... and then this guy shows up from Ron's Org and the rest of the pieces are verified by them ...
so ... this is the first time .. I was able to clean up some of the data ... .. I was told from Ron's Org .. "yes we are doing a rerun of this period of time" .. I would just like to be able to verify all the rest too ...
but I look at the website .... too ... somewhere in all this data ... we seem to be running blind ...
but at the same time ... we seem to be getting where we want to go too ...
jim
davyj0nes
30th August 2013, 19:14
did anyone ever end up playing this game? I am unsure, just write down what you think a new civilization on Earth would look like?
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