From the Human ET

[Agape]

I don't believe in any Disclosure anymore. If I was meant to be the litmus paper ..the great lab of humanity has failed . It's no news, we all are just samples in someones else's personal labs, after all.

You have every right to disbelieve and doubt I exist the way I am . It's simple as making another posting on one old internet place where I joined because my best friends believed that 'Disclosure' is the right thing.

At least so I thought, being friends matters. No one can survive this world on their own . ETs neither . I'm not trying to make a point about being someone different than you are, we all are unique , each of their own . We have differing levels of sensitivity, tolerance to what others consider 'too much' , and different experiences with what consists of 'being in norm' .
So far so good, at least so it seems .. it seems I say that we are so similar that understanding , accepting and supporting each other should always fit in, in world of 7 billions .

I always was in my life after the greater truth , and good. Perhaps I took it too far, and too fast ..
arriving at that pinnacle of knowledge and insight not of own decision..but along the way of direct encounter with reality.

By every means I felt obliged to speak the truth , to share with this 'mankind' to whom that knowledge righteously belong. I had no intention to hide anything or manipulate facts .

Since then and mostly , I've been dealing with personalities involved in this internet 'Disclosure' since 2006 at least .

Due to my somewhat introverted personality traits, too many people mistook me for something. Anything I'm not, for their wild imaginations ..because they were afraid to ask simple questions and trust even the simplest of answers .

They waited for ETs landing on White House lawn and big announcement from the President of America or anyone with big name and big credits. Cunningly enough, none of those people were there and none willing to sell their credits for joe public to rejoice.

Thousands of sci-fi writers, literally, trying to fill the gap everyday, creating stories ..and preparing the grounds at least so they say ..
to be part of the hype, you have to create it first of all. Stress how your name and life has been important on the tabs of humanity.

All without exception, go after who they are, as if it meant something.

And there comes my disagreement and chief mistake I made with trusting any of this. It being the same game played in every other business,
but of course.. more sinister, more dangerous and more vile than any other games.

Thousands of people were sacrificed for someones else's egotical convictions, each of those 'top secret' specialists being so important to government, family and themselves that you can't really drink tea with them without being suspicious to themselves.

That's about where their game culminates . They lost it profoundly, from my point of view because they degraded from their human status and turned to animals who are controlled by their own fear, the worst enemy, the most sinister enemy one can have .
The fear taking shape of everyones else's face .


Apart from that.. these animals being driven by their hard core instincts, telling them the 'hard core truth' according to how hard they get down there I suppose and that's again, highly sensitive and individual experience.

I'd have to insert here that due to my very extra-terrestrial nature or whatever it may be, I made an experience with how human families do not function early in my life,
and observing the general trend of the society, I vowed to myself not to follow the same path.
Beside that I had to assume responsibility , as 6 or 7 year old , for my mum of sorts, since the big animal called Father ran away, simply because she was ill, had diabetes and to his perfectionist character,
she was not the 'perfect woman' anymore. He's left family with great woman who is here till this day, suffered a lot and one curious gifted kid ( that time ) who loved him

for another one who was simple, had great 'boobs' and could dance around the hall drunk and her two half retarded children ( that time ). Hope they all doing well since..
because I stopped talking to him in years after which he never understood. Animals seldom understand a lot, they can shout though and distribute 'correct lessons' .

I vowed never to trust myself to this sort of behaviour and grew up virtually, without the need for sex instincts and without being keen to form any relationships. It backlashed of course, way around .. I experienced levels of awakening as teenager that none was ready to deal with where I grew up ..
till I left to India as 19 year old, my life felt as misunderstanding .

Finding my own way through, spiritual path, old teachings and teachers and society again who saw life as I did from deep inside saved my life and understanding and lifted all up big way, not only for me .

So it would be till now I suppose, I have avoided the trouble with personal relationships and sufferings, as spiritual teacher and student , long enough .. never felt too alone those days.

If it was not for Bodhgaya 2002, I 'd be dwelling on my life instincts and self knowledge for the best of others, that's what I did. Being vulnerable to certain , I say rude human instincts , to the point I can't tolerate them really,
why would I care , to be part of it.

All changed after those events, that were too big to handle alone .. too exciting to keep for oneself, I had to make that step towards others because humanity was at stake on my tabs and after several years when I pay more attention to world events,
I think I did not miss the target .

But I felt equally alone since then, and longed for close soul , for family. Never had one as such .

It was not that hard ..at start, I was in my early 30s and had world on the palm of hand as they say , huge amount of optimism, wish to know about others, will to learn.

To cut the story short, I found that my optimism was uncalled for .. that speaking truth about the accident in Bodhgaya was a problem ,
and my appearance was reason to doubt what I say, to some I looked too good, to others too bad. That's life . But I was not in situation to be made fun of , all the time.

Two researchers I approched in 2006/7 consequently, tried to make me their girlfriend instead showing true interest in researching anything at all, then I was converted to their best friend and advisor after their wives found out about their interest .

I felt humbled and hurt. I could count moments on finger tips , from all these recent years when I had meaningful conversation with someone about the whole event and data and what needs to be done . Most other conversations inevitably turned to some other subject .
Because the experts are missing.

That's why, I do not trust any goverment or any other Disclosure taking place, do you know why . Of all these people, to whom their family and names are the most important in the world and who are someone else than they appear on internet blogs,
whom you can not just visit to say hello because 'deep inside' it's all about something else,
will let me die if they were to cross that line and make a revelation, unless it's burning their own chair.

I guess, their great icons they follow, the guys from FBI and CIA, Mulder & Scully and other bosses are still much cooler than that so they don't care.
They can't be bothered . They can't be bothered with what truth is or about human lives.


You sort of think ( I did ) that they're interested in ET life . That they're able to follow and inquire . Not unless it literally lands on their own lawn, breaks roofs and pinches presidential tyre . Till then, lives and truth are insubstantial .

I just don't believe any of this because I've got considerably large piece of knowledge directly from the source and it so far, escaped most of them.

I believe there are witnesses as I am ..but not in any 'disclosure' on big scheme taking place at all.

And if it's happening it has to be another vile thing, patriarchal invention to do with names and ranks and who is the 'chief' .

I'm not uneducated simplistic emotion driven being who enjoys pouring stories and tears over internet forums. There were times I outright hated myself being here, exposed and vulnerable while 'my best friends' enjoyed their 'Disclosures' and spent hours on empty arguments . I cried alone on bed most of those evenings.

It really, can not be true, or I am totally mad . And even if I'm not , or whatever matters, it still can not be sane idea if all involved in this are able to mistake things so profoundly .


Of course ..you're free to say, we don't care if you go..there will come others.

It's sort of human attitude, 'we don't care' . We trust the well groomed people in parliament and on board of directors with logos on their websites shouting something bigger than they are.
We like the hype and pomp. I guess.

Someone telling things as plane as they happen, feeling naked and disarmed, is first to be blamed for self pity. Then doubted and denied . Speaking in general of course but here, it's joe public again.

The researchers ? Have their own family, ya know. Their human prefs. Their tabus and bosses who told them to do things such and such a way because there are no real ETs,
it's all the government propaganda, so their brains better remain unused. It's cheaper and easier than to try .

An aborigine society , so called primitive society can still rely on trust and tries to save their worthy members.

This so called 'advanced society' though, is one that feels free to distrust and sacrifice anyone without justice.

What an irony of fate that the same people judge the system, their chief oppressor so harsh . Perhaps because it killed the best of human feelings in them ..


I say sad . And I say no. And I have no way to go from this other than I can jump out of the human curriculum because within this very human paradigm where I'm supposed to belong, the solutions are missing.

Love is missing, truth alike. You can't really expect a lot from alone ET . Perhaps it's the trick..perhaps it's all set up so that no one can believe me.

I don't mind what you think but I don't want this post to be forgotten because they may be others in my shoes , and they'll inevitably experience the same.

An ET in your world . An example of lonliness , on target from stupids and perhaps just someone to make last few steps on street before they fall down under lamp.
If they have good luck you'll pick them up, if not you won't . Because that's how it works here ..

[Agape]

I'm not with you or you, on jokes and parallels, not at this time . Equally , I don't need lots of attention, pity or someones sarcasms .

I think, if the times are not ready.. lots of us should pack it up, ETs inclusive and go home.
The 'Disclosure Games' like Hunger Games, are stupid games with truth and lives. And till you/them/us, whatever case you prefer do not learn the basics of responsibility and real response to life events,

there's no real data you/them/us deserve. As I've said, if I am the litmus paper, I am still waiting for proof that humanity exists, in mankind. Discrete sensitive and highly intelligent humanity rather than brute, troubled and overcome by doubts .

What if it doesn't. I have no proofs.


:smow:

[Billy]

Agape you are not alone. I assure you. The veil is lifting slowly. It is beings such as yourself that is assisting lifting the veil. It is not an easy journey but a very worthwhile journey. Thank you for hearing your calling and sharing your knowledge.

Are you in India at this time, I cannot wait to return, next year hopefully.


peace.

[Agape]

Hello Billy , thanks for sharing the moment with me .. I'm back now . After 9 months, and I tried to run for my life to be back and people keep telling me things like 'welcome back to civilisation'
which means being closed alone in apartment as the only and best option ..since I can't run much further :p

Civilisation for most here means having their papers done, trails covered, and having food in fridge and so on. Internet connection..

It's really not about being able to get my life sorted on my own and all have their plans well worked for 20 years forwards at least . It does not include me as entity, it can merely include the human name and number they hoped for and that failed their hopes in simplicity .

It's hardly possible I'd step down from my own convictions so to say without destroying my body, speech and mind so to say, it's tough from deep inside .


It's just not what anyone expected or expects, they're not ready and I'm not any sort of superman and I'm sick of it all . Sick of all the lies that are considered 'the norm' in this society and any other I know of.


:angel:

[InCiDeR]

Agape you know where to look, when the cycle completes and the needs are inevitable. I am You.

[mojo]

Is there more? Easy to see your stories can go deeper and hope that you will continue to share in this thread. Perhaps you can help others seeking a deeper connection? Eager to learn what you can pass on as it relates to the ET experience, thank you.

[Agape]

I'm just saying from my out of the box and out of the earth point of view that this whole movement is in hands of half sane friends who can not accommodate ETs anywhere in their lives ,

who know nothing of how it feels to be me , whose lives are run down by pain and anger to the point where feeling for anyone else is not an option anymore . And in that process .. where automatically all weaknesses are object of anger or stupid ridicule , where 'me too' is answer to every question, where I'm 'watched' but the person responsible won't ever step out , openly or in private but will be simply satisfied with the pain they cause,
then take my words and twist them around to prove me wrong, because 'they are the MEN' ,

in this all pain where friend turns to the worst enemy in snap of fingers and tells any truth or lie to defend their innocence,

I swear this all has had no meaning.


I'm being made fun of , on very deep level from someone I trusted totally and the only person I thought understands the situation on more than one level. No matter what I say, I say that against myself now because it will be used against me , to get me out of the game . The fake game will continue, I can assure you.

And likes of me and they're more of us around for sure , are too subtle , too peaceful and too sensitive to be recognised and listened to .

I doubt my healthy reasoning with putting all the records straight forwards ..because I trusted all my life, personal details and situation very hard to solve it seems,
to someone who are not afraid to misuse it if necessary. Of course only if necessary , because I can't, repeat can not solve or influence all their family troubles, health issues they deny any responsibility for, win lottery for them ..
which is what would be 'the proof' that I'm good for something, after all those hurts.


:wizard:

[Agape]

Is there more? Easy to see your stories can go deeper and hope that you will continue to share in this thread. Perhaps you can help others seeking a deeper connection? Eager to learn what you can pass on as it relates to the ET experience, thank you.

Mojo, thanks . No 'stories' though. And no, I do not have any plan. I did not mean to come here today to post this, it just happened and it's the only thing that has happened after all, or opening my mouth.
Please don't take me wrong . I don't want to hurt anyone on my behalf.

I repeat, please do not take me wrong now . The ''Bodhgaya Event Report'' was disclosed on this forum 3 years ago already if memory serves me well and remains hidden under the Witness/ET Origins of Mankind.

:grouphug:

[Azt]

How to stop a drop of water to dry out ? Answer: Putting into the Ocean ... I saw that in a movie called Sansara (not the documentary one but the movie one), so Agape I am sharing that with you to tell you that your Ocean can be around (e.g: this forum) so you are not alone.

[mojo]

what would be 'the proof' that I'm good for something, after all those hurts.


Offering a prayer that healing will come and your light will shine out.

[Agape]

It's called ''Bodhgaya Event Report'' and then we have done one or two interviews about it and all is somewhere in those threads .

Or simply put it to google search and you get couple of results including few youtube videos. Sorry for being such a barbarian but I have an allergy to seeing this associated with any name , my own in first place .
Why because in truth, the ET entity who experienced this and who is experiencing this human life does not have any such name and it sorts of extrapolates and distorts all the picture,
no matter who has ever interviewed me they all start with 'be simple, introduce yourself, tell us about your backgrounds' and from there, they spend hours on rambling about what they want to hear, and what fits in to their understanding.

It creates schism in the report itself, in me and in anyone who have to watch it .


I don't want to repeat myself saying that there's no human institution I know about able to receive or handle this in spirit of truth . If there is let them come in and talk to me please .

[Agape]

I just can not handle this much personally and simply not willing to ,
it's as horrid as it can be, seeing to peoples minds ..
( I know many others who share the same experience )
and the dirt, illusions and fears they carry within that can't be just waved away with a feather ,
and with this on bottom of their minds , they ask about truth because it's conventional to ask or because we offered them 'a story' ,
and all the way to the 'encounter' they'll keep pondering who the hell I am to think I know better than they do?

Because in your/their/our eyes I am to be ..like them or others they've known ?

How on Earth ANY of these people can meet anyone else than themselves , their own doubts,
perhaps people of the same ethnicity ? Skin color ? Accent , that's been the most important factor to some ,
and another one, I could be a SPY, like they are, hacking to other peoples lives, working for one thousand 'friends' and purposes at the same time, turning like wind mills according where the wind blows,
doing their jobs and walking away.

I never wanted to make any such public statements in first place but as I've said, sense of decency, sensitivity, humane response , it seems to be missing profoundly and society we live in, depends on good luck.


It's a business ladies n gentlemen, disclosure business , it's for money and to secure power posts, power points and keep political scene stable and it's mostly fake.
Not because there'd be credible witnesses missing but because they are deliberately handled way that is discrediting those who are honest and promoting those willing to pay higher fees.


:grouphug:

[Agape]

It's like the recent event in Washington, sorry I had very meagre internet access till about 10 days ago since September, I was in India so I have not seen any of it and I know it's really important for the average joe to hear their heroes mentioning they've seen an UFO, no matter what they call it of recent,

so you get all these really 'important people' dusting off their uniforms and coming out to tell us they've seen an UFO and trembling at the panel as if they really know some sort of secret.

And then you have 'researchers' who know about 100 times more 'stories' and all the conspiracy about DUMBS and what each government really do and have ( at least they think so but can never say anything straight because they have no proofs either, any of them ) sitting at the same table and pretending to be really excited and empathetic about each other accounts because they got the tickets to ride .

Forgot about the little mummy found in Attacama , dead ET is the best ET, and anything can be made of it because who will ever believe the laboratory and scientist proceeding this .

And no, you can't hunt them down, with any of your jets, and you can keep believing all the nonsense on how we have space fleet on Mars and other planets because someone thinks they support their political hierarchy that way
and because their Papa was in military and they recall they were sent to Mars as 5 year olds and it's all true because they say so.

Or call them on instant , like Dr Steven Greer , sure someone comes from another Galaxy just to hover above here and come down when called , on auspicious days .


And if you have one, two or even ten people wishing and willing to explain them what's the logic of events or even possible logic of events without embelishing facts, without misusing corrupted photos from Hubble ,
that's not allowed . Because how could anyone know, there are already people at these tops of their own worlds who think they know it all ,
so why would they ask.

I was teaching meditation, and sciences for many years before this all happened and I was not ashamed or afraid to learn from my students , I rather thought it's very practical , to make people think, on their own and share their abilities with others.

:behindsofa:


So they call all these poor dears to Washington, bring few senators in retirement who have not much to say to anything anymore and not much to lose ,
and make a pompous conference about Disclosure. What on Earth can they really disclose ?

Easily, they could bring in few genuine witnesses and panel of independent scientists, from all fields of knowledge and start comparing the information given and I can assure you it would be very juicy and interesting debate .

[Agape]

Instead, their 'scientists' mostly consist of Richard C Hoogland who has his own faith and till he kept to his hypothesis about Saturn Rings it was all fine but now these 'scientists' they call upon are conspiracy theorists who have also seen at least two U.F.O.s and out of despair believe anything is possible ?

Most of the conspiracy researchers are politicians in disguise , that's what their research is aimed at, their own governments and agencies and hunt for secret files and spies,

that's NOT about ET life . You can get few gifted propulsion mechanics, for sure, because the technical guys have been trying things since times immemorial,
and their secret ?

Yes of course, some could have been ETs living among us , many have received information and the GIFT to proceed such information from outer space but all they can do is to proceed the information by human means,

notice anyone would give instruction manual on how to build flying saucers to Bob Lazar for example ?

Why because no such manual existed, and these folks were called to make it so they did and it's not out of human possibilities and these technical miracles are flooding the public scene now and no one is too surprised .

I had a classmate at school who could draw perfect technical sketch of submarine when we were about 8 year olds. He could not read well in that year but he could draw whole submarine way that was beyond my imagination.

[ghostrider]

the real history of earth is hidden, to disclose ET information and our real past would put alot of egg on some folks that have PHD'S, and scientist , historians with titles and such ... the ptb wont be made small easily ... the main thing to disclose is we are not told the truth about the past... most everything taught is incorrect... I personally think it would collapse our society to come clean about ET's and their involvement in seeding earth ...

[naste.de.lumina]

I wish you peace in your soul and tranquility in your mind.

[sandy]

Hi Agape,

Just finished reading this thread and couldn't help but feel that your humaness of emotions about the plight of Earth's civilization has really gotten to you in the most disheartening of ways once again. I too feel this often, but also know that I'm here at this time to help with the changes that are taking place. Much to slow for my liking but changes are happening just the same.

Hang in Dear One as you are not alone, isolated yes but not alone. I hold you in my space and heart :hug:

[Agape]

From my point of view, truth as a matter of fact ..won't bring down society, family or mankind but lies will and have done so for good amount of time . You have millions of people living in and with their comfortable lies , getting so rid of their conscience, popping up sleeping pills to escape the stress , another pills to stop their paranoia and lots of vitamins if it helps and they're the regular orderly citizens of this unnamed country .

No amount of truth will ever do such a damage as keeping the ignorance concealed.

It's like suffering from so called ;incurable disease' , so because you did not take enough classes in biology or medicine and heard of incurable diseases, for example, you'd better not be told what your situation is because it would bring you down .



Here n there, you have people repeating the same phrases ad nauseam such as 'truth is hidden' and 'no one has the full picture' , that makes no change,
these are sort of philosophical , psychological and other axioms that were valid and used thousands of years ago . They became more popular now because the state of human consciousness and society is changing dramatically and every kid knows this,
i dare to say it remains a problem of the older generation some of whom considered 'knowing this much' their sovereign right and wisdom.

So what an offence to society if your children know it without being told , till they're brainwashed to some sort of convenient business .


I say it's all about stupid politics, and not ET life, this 'Disclosure', it's about the cadres at the top sorting their own minds, shaking hands they've not been able to do till now ..so for sure, form of progress . It changes very little per se and it's fake to call this truth movement and disclosure .

The same people keep denying there's genuine information out there that can save the course of human evolution,
they focus hard on claiming it's in some ( or all ) secret governments possession.

My point is that you and them , are missing good and precise view to what the truth is and unless you get people together who are capable of such views that carry certain amount of precision, and can agree on terms,

you have witness A who claims to have seen 1000 fleet spaceships and witness B who glimpsed the alien with big eyes called Zeee and witness C who calls the same alien Gerda and seen but one ship . And they all speculate on how it got here and naturaly, get down to the wormhole theory. So dig out few old and new physics textbooks and start catching up on what they missed and they're experts in ufology after 2 months of genuine research, right or not.

Quite a nonsense I wrote in the above paragraph but you can keep repeating that no one knows , and that's not true , it has to be still bigger nonsense .

People constantly repeating how no one knows and that the truth is in hands of military just don't know what they speak about at all.

The famed military, sorry to take its name to my mouth, have just about that much knowledge they could scramble and no ETs , no sources are out there supplying them with free information, unless necessary for human survival because no advanced civilisation travels across the Universe to engage here in bloody wars .
No such agreement exist or ever existed on providing any military or gov on Earth with weapons, with technologies intentionally used as tool of destruction,

while any technical invention you have can be misused by mankind for that henious purpose, there was long term embargo I'm aware of on sharing technical advances with humans. It's not true anymore as you can see, perhaps ..or not but no information was given specifically with such intent .
What did you/them/we ( as in mankind ) do with it is completely but utterly different question.


The most ashamed they have to be for knowing too little in current state of matters to say openly what they have and what they don't know about it,
it's a very very old strategy to employ to convince the enemy ( whoever is considered enemy in the current era and political game on earth ) that 'we' have all records covered, because no anomalies exist we can not handle and 'we know all about you' , 'we know about this and that'.
If the officials have too little to hold to, too little to research because, these ETs simply DO NOT come everyday and when you call them,
you can employ few disinfo agents to keep boasting and talking nonsense to confuse everybody .

And make your excited joy public believe you/they know a lot, much more than you and I , and almost everything.

It's simply not true the way it is presented by this ambitious so called researchers and co-intel-pro agents or how you call them .

Real ET encounters are rare and true and consistent information, shared , not stolen or copy catted from trying to replicate someones else's technology likewise is rare.
It's actually quite rare hence also the problem with believing it . It does not happen in everyday lives for most people, you may well see it in full view once in your life time and that's what you get with and it's all highly disturbing .
Still, it is the one of the most important piece of information we may have in our hands and no matter the time lapse you need to protect it from everybody,
till it gives you better meaning .

So also, there was and I believe still is, some meaning in keeping things under cover , on the other hand, it's only human wars and disorder of human society preventing the knowledge being joined together and being meaningful.


Those people at these conferences who keep discussing all from secret gobs and assasins and super soldiers to cattle mutilations in one day , which in quality can not compare to any scientific conference with research papers that would stand open scrutiny,
in absence of any such research being carried out to secure valid information , biological evidence etc etc ,
it's not a surprise that the only thing circling around media is 'weird folk stories' .

How possibly, can we-the-people or you-the-people or what else, hope for support from Washington if Barack Obama is called 'antichrist' by some of these disclosure experts, some speculate about his involvement in the Mars program together with A Bassiago and others believe he is working for whom, now I have to make it up..

It's like as if we make a little group here, better open one and start talking of Bill Ryan as member of illuminati, name his 'true history' someone has just 'foreseen ' , bring up few fake documents to prove the case and then send him a disclosure petition, all under his nose ?

These conferences all claim in backgrounds to the legal bodies that they have all the knowledge and evidence, I don't mean any bad but they actually don't. They should speed up and address the topic openly, away from politics, miles away from any such conundrums and dispatch number of top notch scientists to conduct research at places and persons who unfortunately for us, had the privilege of confronting the greater unknown . Stop closing their eyes and stop pretending it does not exist because in reality it concerns very few initiated individuals and events

while joe public is now fearing 'alien invasion' and creating big hype out of nothing.

To those who had been there , this is even more controversial, more painful than if nothing was said because we might have chance to approach someone for assistance and be trusted, and I am not afraid to pass any test that has a base,

instead I am 'tested' emotionally, for not being someones ;good girl' for good 7 years, and serving so called safe and innocent private purposes. Without hope for any justice and help from those whom I've entrusted the materials because they're getting too 'old' and compromised to deal with me ?

So this is far from being fair. I have regular medical insurance here in Prague yet,
I was warned repeatedly by about everybody not to mention any of what has happened at doctors or who i am etc because they won't understand and it's true , they would not.

For what, to keep the data under table, to let me pass away quietly without fuss because no one can deal with it ?




Sorry I'm here too long today , and can't correct all the typos. Thanks for your kind words ..

[Agape]

What way should I deal with myself at all. Keep sitting at internet and writing on forums and websites ? Did not I do that for good few years being told there's facility for ETs , from respectful researchers ?

Because it fitted to their Disclosure initiative and in reality, not one of them have valid contact to any such place or institution ? Start checking them one by one when you fall to trouble and see how much validity is in all these claims.

I'll be lying here in agony for days and that's when it's boiled down to the point they got really bored and disgusted with me and realized they can't do anything in reality because all they hoped for, as trained psy-ops specialists is that it's all in my mind and they can cure it .
And when it keeps failing I am told not to worry too much and it will all sort out . I suppose by itself, by some miracle , without anyone being involved ,
right ?

And if some have an idea what to do it's mostly, idea designed for you humans , and have to be the average human known to them , healthy average human they want, not me.
They keep giving me advices that fit the human they imagine, not me. And feel as offended as my own mum because I can't eat the same food anymore and because working on this all is actually rather complicated and requires lots of commitment .


And if I keep complaining more, you know what happens ? They're very cool about it and ready to cut the rope I hang on anytime , or just let me hang on it for long enough to fall . It's cool on the other side. I suppose but I miss the experience . Anyway ..




:sleep:

[Hervé]

Did you get in touch with AMMACH and/or Simon Parkes:Simon Parkes about Mantis Aliens, Reptiles and other aliens. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.)

[CdnSirian]

"rambling about what they want to hear, and what fits in to their understanding." Agape this is what many of us bump into.

Your litany is full of wisdom. It sounds like you've been betrayed - so obviously (if this is correct) you had different expectations. Just go for what you expect from yourself and forget about the failings of others. You know you're not alone because here you are.

As I recall, there is a pretty deep cultural shock if you've been in India for a while. You've given yourself an extreme challenge and an extreme gift. Please keep talking. I hope you begin to feel some well being soon.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I understand your dilemna as well as I am able, being here without past lives and accumulated karma. It is hard to live in a world everyone declares has long ago been whittled down to nothing but black and white issues. The fact of the matter is there is nothing but a giant gray area and no black and white.

Even those who claim to be open-minded and want to encourage others to open their eyes are in possession of blind spots. There is not a thread on this forum that deals with truth unfettered by lies and/or obsfucation. Few, even here on this prestigious site can truly be called truth seekers. In fact most here just wish to jump on the next bandwagon that comes along, eager for the chance to befriend a true alien, pyschic, channeler, healer, insider, etc. Until the excitement dies down, that is, and the whole fiasco is forgotten except for the occasional whistful recall of its novelty and usually under the wishful hope another novelty would hurry up and take them on another fun ride to nowhere. Here the like-minded band together and chase each other around the threads, often taking over with lengthy copying of previous posts and short answers or worse, verbose posts that say nothing.

I feel for you. I feel for all of us.

The one thing I have learned is that the truth is simple. So that is my guidepost. If an idea is too convoluted and complicated it is a lie. Seems to work for me. Just wish others could see it like that. Complication is always of the ego. Simplicity is the way of truth.

I'm not sure what you expect from us, though. Our understandings have all been undermined and we are certain of nothing. In such an atmosphere, the best and brightest, the most scholarly and informed, the innocent and the naive, the proud and boastful, the stupid and ignorant - everyone has an opinion. Makes no difference how a person arrives at a descision regarding any topic, whether they flipped a coin or did some research or went to the source, it is only a best guess. In such a world as this no one can decide even where to look, let alone determine where the truth is or uphold a tenet as beyond question.

Until we get back to basics and decide exactly what can be known with certainty, we have no base to formulate a comprehensive overview of this marvelous universe and all its incredible inhabitants and phenomena.

[Agape]

"rambling about what they want to hear, and what fits in to their understanding." Agape this is what many of us bump into.

Your litany is full of wisdom. It sounds like you've been betrayed - so obviously (if this is correct) you had different expectations. Just go for what you expect from yourself and forget about the failings of others. You know you're not alone because here you are.

As I recall, there is a pretty deep cultural shock if you've been in India for a while. You've given yourself an extreme challenge and an extreme gift. Please keep talking. I hope you begin to feel some well being soon.


Thank you , that's about when it starts ringing true bells to me .. but I am aware I simply keep 'bridging' the space of reflection between different confonting parties and the way i reflect them is not entirely my fault ,

oh i think i am getting to that all again, but yes thanks it helps.

I gave myself forcibly quite a long rest of everything, including this what you call that ? Civilisation . Civilisation ;)

Of course, I do have culture shock. I wanted to stay in Dubai , for a while, that would make me feel better . They have lots of swimming pools and culture but i don't think my culture allowed me to jump ..


You need to keep being serious about these topics , you know we are talking the origins of mankind , our very ancestors from the Stars,

when we talk well you understand and feel the meaning in full terms,

and feel the fireflies repairing your precious understanding of everything ..



Agape :hug:

[Agape]

I'm not sure what you expect from us, though. Our understandings have all been undermined and we are certain of nothing. In such an atmosphere, the best and brightest, the most scholarly and informed, the innocent and the naive, the proud and boastful, the stupid and ignorant - everyone has an opinion. Makes no difference how a person arrives at a descision regarding any topic, whether they flipped a coin or did some research or went to the source, it is only a best guess. In such a world as this no one can decide even where to look, let alone determine where the truth is or uphold a tenet as beyond question.


There's no 'us' , there's just you alone in the game at the end of it and have to keep walking for long time before you reach the Promised Land.

That's a metaphor of course and pity of those

who mistakes metaphors for reality

photographs for forgery

and tears for wisdom.

You have to be ready and capable of everything. In the face of this Life, who does not ask us always things forwards . You have to think before you jump..
think twice or thrice but at the end you have to jump and it usually does not pain a lot .

Thank you for sharing your loving kindness and wisdom

I am slowing down of sorts.. after 12 hours on here ..


:angel:

[jiminii]

I'm not sure what you expect from us, though. Our understandings have all been undermined and we are certain of nothing. In such an atmosphere, the best and brightest, the most scholarly and informed, the innocent and the naive, the proud and boastful, the stupid and ignorant - everyone has an opinion. Makes no difference how a person arrives at a descision regarding any topic, whether they flipped a coin or did some research or went to the source, it is only a best guess. In such a world as this no one can decide even where to look, let alone determine where the truth is or uphold a tenet as beyond question.


There's no 'us' , there's just you alone in the game at the end of it and have to keep walking for long time before you reach the Promised Land.

That's a metaphor of course and pity of those

who mistakes metaphors for reality

photographs for forgery

and tears for wisdom.

You have to be ready and capable of everything. In the face of this Life, who does not ask us always things forwards . You have to think before you jump..
think twice or thrice but at the end you have to jump and it usually does not pain a lot .

Thank you for sharing your loving kindness and wisdom

I am slowing down of sorts.. after 12 hours on here ..


:angel:

don't think .... look is higher ... just look and you will get a more correct answer

[Billy]

"rambling about what they want to hear, and what fits in to their understanding." Agape this is what many of us bump into.

Your litany is full of wisdom. It sounds like you've been betrayed - so obviously (if this is correct) you had different expectations. Just go for what you expect from yourself and forget about the failings of others. You know you're not alone because here you are.

As I recall, there is a pretty deep cultural shock if you've been in India for a while. You've given yourself an extreme challenge and an extreme gift. Please keep talking. I hope you begin to feel some well being soon.


Thank you , that's about when it starts ringing true bells to me .. but I am aware I simply keep 'bridging' the space of reflection between different confonting parties and the way i reflect them is not entirely my fault ,

oh i think i am getting to that all again, but yes thanks it helps.

I gave myself forcibly quite a long rest of everything, including this what you call that ? Civilisation . Civilisation ;)

Of course, I do have culture shock. I wanted to stay in Dubai , for a while, that would make me feel better . They have lots of swimming pools and culture but i don't think my culture allowed me to jump ..


You need to keep being serious about these topics , you know we are talking the origins of mankind , our very ancestors from the Stars,

when we talk well you understand and feel the meaning in full terms,

and feel the fireflies repairing your precious understanding of everything ..



Agape :hug:

My friends used to ask me whenever i returned from India, How did you handle the culture shock when you arrived in India. My answer was always the same. There was no culture shock, I felt completely at home. The culture shock kicked in only when i returned back.

I think when we have expectations with someone who has gained our trust only to let us down, The feelings of being hurt and disappointed can deflate any confidence we may have gained with all of humanity.

The lesson here can only be to put all trust in yourself. Do not give your power away,

Expectations towards others usually bring disappointments.
If someone else hurts you then that is their issues it belongs to them, Their issues do not belong to you, We can allow them to effect us only if we allow it, Try not to become attached to others issues.

It appears you expressed much within this thread Agape. I hope there was some release for you. Better out than in as they say.

Have a blessed day.

Billyji

[Agape]

Expectations. On level yes. I hoped that speaking truth and nothing else will suffice, for starters .

It goes way back when I returned to Prague in March 2005 , and then automatically, after 6 years..in Tibetan Buddhism , when I was mostly silent or with other Tibetan lamas and then, good bunch of respectful individuals from all over the world
who too were all very dedicated to search for the greater unknown
who too were delicate and often silent ,
at the same time we communicated lots of clear insights and shared awful amount of experience that is beyond comprehension of average European .

So also the community that is actually personal monastery of H.H. Dalailama monks , who conduct all the important curriculum of rituals through out the year
including the Kalachakra, Chakramsawara, Yamantaka etc ..

I hope they're all sound and well .


So yes I expected when I return and report what has happened in Bodhgaya with the full raport and impact the event had and detail the information
that I will be heard .

Instead, when I started to tell this 'story' to group of y former meditation students, most of whom are older than i am and some on good posts,
they are looking at me like bunch of fairies ..

Fairies is good but this is not a fairy tale so again, who are the people to be conveyed this information and carry on with the responsibility ,
i am but offering few detailed facts about our previous visit here

and remote origins of mankind .

You can investigate the place fully on your own,
it's around Bodhgaya ,

:bathbaby:


Since lots of information passed through tightly packed during those 4 hours , in full color and detail and the impact of the event can be compared to effects of nuclear bombast , on time-space level, like a time-space whirlpool lets say, vortex ,

it also efficiently started whole series of other events in my opinion and influenced many matters, that time .



Now I forgot my mind somewhere sorry ...need to reread this after me



Yep. Thanks and many blessings to you :cantina:



I've also been stressed by circumstances to a great degree during these 9 months, pressure on come back, come back but WHY.



I've been posting pictures from Kathmandu , on T;)T (http://jandeane81.com/showthread.php?8391-Kathmandu-and-its-Spaceships&p=46992#post46992)



There's a saying you know, ''I'm a free man, capital Kathmandu''

[Billy]

Great pictures Agape. Makes me home sick, Yes i think the spinning Stupa is symbolic of the flying vehicles.
As is the umbrella's.

The Hindu's have the Carriages or chariot ( Vehicles of Shiva Ect) that they bring out at the Shiva Ratri festival. The one they have in Gokarna south India is made from wood and is a thousand years old.

I had some pictures on my computer but i lost them a while back. I will search later. Here is a link for a picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/malc_c/5738264864/in/photostream/


In the meantime,Just to make feel at home. Here are some of my last visit in 2006.

[mahalall]

chin up friend,
time served in Bodhygaya and one can assimilate to the event,
a wee humble tune ;)
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[Agape]

chin up friend,
time served in Bodhygaya and one can assimilate to the event,
a wee humble tune ;)
_5pY0n7BD08

Mahallal, that's very advanced response from you while I'd be obliged to add ..

''the Wheel of Samsara once broken
leaves no token of its own ''

In accordance with the unsurpassable and most revered teachings of old, the nature of all existence is subject to the law of One .

Eventhough, the cycle of existence/s repeats itself during its destined evolution time
within all particular sub-systems ,

such as Galaxies, Solar Systems, Planetary and other inhabitable celestial bodies

each experiencing transformation of their inhabitable biosphere in unique series of such cycles

,

reality as we know it, and from the broader perspective of physical reality ,

Universe is a Happening , and it's happening under the Law of One.

The repetition of events is an illusion,

so also convictions based solely on number of repetition of events alone are illusion

and subject to its own relativity

The rules of general relativity have to be expanded and extended to the whole universe.

Whichever view it is , it will only retain its form in dependancy on qualities

of its unique space time .

However, we do not speak of metaphysical imaginations but we speak of memories .

Our genome memory ( which is strictly provisional term at this place again ) retains some memory of all its history down to the first Eve so to say ,
now imagine there were actually few thousands or hundreds of such ancestoral Eves.

Our memory contains vast set of knowledge about the Universe, we merely keep 'digging it up' , and during peaceful periods of history and society,

we can only start to make a true meaning of our knowledge.

We're speaking of our true history and realizing our true human status as living beings, expression of intelligence and citizens of this Universe .


I hope, I'm not trying to be awkward.



:angel:

[Richard Gabriel]

Agape,

There is much wisdom in your words
Richard

[Agape]

Great pictures Agape. Makes me home sick, Yes i think the spinning Stupa is symbolic of the flying vehicles.
As is the umbrella's.

The Hindu's have the Carriages or chariot ( Vehicles of Shiva Ect) that they bring out at the Shiva Ratri festival. The one they have in Gokarna south India is made from wood and is a thousand years old.

I had some pictures on my computer but i lost them a while back. I will search later. Here is a link for a picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/malc_c/5738264864/in/photostream/


In the meantime,Just to make feel at home. Here are some of my last visit in 2006.

Thank you Billy,

time for me to stop crying I guess ..we're getting submerged ..

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/2013-06-03T085643Z_1_CBRE9520OUU00_RTROPTP_2_CNEWS-US-CZECH-FLOODS_zps1e4cfe9e.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/2013-06-03T085643Z_1_CBRE9520OUU00_RTROPTP_2_CNEWS-US-CZECH-FLOODS_zps1e4cfe9e.jpg.html)

It continued raining through that night from Friday to Saturday and it's still raining ,
we're safe of course but it seems Prague centre , along the river is getting flooded .


http://news.yahoo.com/situation-flood-hit-german-city-dramatic-081904495.html

Waters from three swollen rivers gushed into the old town of Passau in southeast Germany on Monday, as officials warned that water levels — already the highest in 70 years — could rise further.
The city was one of the worst hit by flooding that has spread across a large area of central Europe following heavy rainfall in recent days. At least eight people were reported to have died and nine were missing due to floods in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Czech Republic.
"The situation is extremely dramatic," Herbert Zillinger, a spokesman for Passau's crisis center, told The Associated Press.
Much of the city was inaccessible on foot and the electricity supply was shut down as a precaution, he said. Rescuers were using boats to evacuate residents from flooded parts of the city.
But with water from the Danube, Inn and Ilz rivers relentlessly pouring into the city, water was advancing into previously dry streets -- in one case going from dry to ankle-deep within half an hour. Markers set in 1954, when the city suffered its worst flooding in living memory, have disappeared beneath the rising water.
The German army said it has sent 1,760 soldiers to help local authorities and volunteers reinforce flood defenses particularly in the south and east of the country. Chancellor Angela Merkel planned to visit flood-hit areas Tuesday, her spokesman said.
Authorities in the Czech Republic worked Monday to erect further protective metal barriers along the Vltava river, which also flows through the capital Prague.
Interim mayor Tomas Hudecek said no major evacuations were planned, but animals from a zoo located by the river had been taken to safety. Parts of the city's subway transportation network also were shut down because of flooding.
The Charles Bridge — normally packed with tourists at this time of year — was closed to the public as were some other popular spots near the river at the foot of Prague Castle. Rescuers evacuated some 2,700 people across the western half of the country where the government declared a state of emergency in most regions.
Some had to leave their homes in the southern neighborhoods of Prague while further evacuations have been under way in the northern Czech Republic, awaiting a flood wave later Monday.
___

Are you still in Germany and how's the situation where you are ?

I did not know they have rainy season here as well.


:hug:

[Agape]

http://news.yahoo.com/czech-capital-alert-floods-sweep-central-europe-113452399.html

Czech capital on alert as floods swamp central Europe

Volunteers piled up sandbags to keep a swollen river from overwhelming the Czech capital's historic centre on Monday after floods across central Europe forced factories to closed, drove thousands from their homes and killed at least eight people.

Six people died in the Czech Republic from the worst flooding in a decade and a state of emergency was declared, while in Austria two people died and another two were missing.
The flooding, which also affected parts of Germany, Slovakia, Hungary and Poland, sent shares in reinsurers Munich Re and Hannover Re down by about 2.5 percent, with markets anticipating big claims from property owners once the waters recede.
The flooding arose from several days of torrential rainfall. In some places two months worth of rain fell in just a few days.
Carmaker Volkswagen temporarily shut its plant in Zwickau, in the eastern German state of Saxony, because the flooding stopped workers reaching the factory.
In the centre of the west German town of Passau, people took off their shoes and rolled up their trousers to walk through the ankle-deep water.
The last time central Europe saw similar floods was in 2002, when 17 people were killed in the Czech Republic, and damage estimated at 20 billion euros ($26 billion) was inflicted.
Officials in Prague, the Czech capital listed by the U.N. cultural agency as a World Heritage Site, said they did not anticipate the waters of the Vltava river would reach 2002 levels.
But they were taking no chances. They shut the metro system and, in streets near the river, soldiers put up metal fences - the sort of flood defenses ordered after the disaster 11 years ago. Elsewhere, volunteers built walls of sandbags.
Tigers at Prague zoo were tranquilized and moved out of an enclosure at risk from flooding.
Czech officials said the flood defenses in Prague should hold, but that the river level was likely to rise again on Tuesday morning. "The story is not yet over here," said Czech Environment Minister Tomas Chalupa.

...



Tigers were evacuated .. why, they can swim

;)

[Billy]

Great pictures Agape. Makes me home sick, Yes i think the spinning Stupa is symbolic of the flying vehicles.
As is the umbrella's.

The Hindu's have the Carriages or chariot ( Vehicles of Shiva Ect) that they bring out at the Shiva Ratri festival. The one they have in Gokarna south India is made from wood and is a thousand years old.

I had some pictures on my computer but i lost them a while back. I will search later. Here is a link for a picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/malc_c/5738264864/in/photostream/


In the meantime,Just to make feel at home. Here are some of my last visit in 2006.

Thank you Billy,

time for me to stop crying I guess ..we're getting submerged ..

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/2013-06-03T085643Z_1_CBRE9520OUU00_RTROPTP_2_CNEWS-US-CZECH-FLOODS_zps1e4cfe9e.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/2013-06-03T085643Z_1_CBRE9520OUU00_RTROPTP_2_CNEWS-US-CZECH-FLOODS_zps1e4cfe9e.jpg.html)


Are you still in Germany and how's the situation where you are ?

I did not know they have rainy season here as well.


:hug:

Yes indeed, Please stop crying you have to think of your country Agape. :cry: :rain: :lol:

Nice to see your humour returned. I hope not to many suffer from the floods.

I am in Scotland and we had very little rain during the winter but when it began in the our very late spring it forgot to stop.

Now this last week summer has kicked in and we have glorious sunshine.

view from my caravan.



Billyji


EDIT:

Agape when i read your transcript of your experience and watched the interviews you mentioned that when you were returning from your experience back into your room, That much information was downloaded to you.

But i never did read or hear anymore about that download, could you share this if possible. No problem if you cannot, but i would love for you to share this part of your experience.

peace

[Agape]

I'm starting to get it.. ;) Personally, I suggest ..send the army home. We need these people to work in the fields instead .. clean the Mess we and our fathers accumulated on this Planet.

It's already horrid, look all around, travel a little bit as Bill says, to those former '3rd world countries' and look how millions and billions of people today really live. Really really.

We have to start thinking rather fast, the time is always missing .

The pollution engulfing this earth is enormous, we-you people are living in waste yard of civilisation. Some need to be dispatched to start cleaning the mess immediately,

stop the bloody stupid fights and start cleaning up the mess else humanity is paving its safest way to extinction.


Sorry, I need to get this off my chest too



and the war continues out there , for all our sakes, there's always a way to go..


Thank you Billyji, I will get back to you


:bathbaby:

[Agape]

It's true, actually , it's all true unfortunately. Because if it was a game it would be all much easier to go with ..

:(

[Billy]

Personally i believe it is a game of illusions. The big problem is that the very few masters of the game the controllers know it is a game of illusions, And the many do not know it is a game and are entrapped within the illusion that has been played out. The many believe that it is reality. Therefore the game is not a balanced game. The game has unfolded as an unbalanced negative, And for the love and lighters, An unbalanced positive.

For me the question is how do we the many, bring the game into balance. A balanced negative with a balanced positive, As i think we require both to achieve a balanced society.

Just thinking out loud.

peace

[Agape]

Personally and who told you it's a game ? Any Elder by chance ? It's not a game, unless it's you against time . You're but part of Time and time is a flow ..

:pray:

[Agape]

Billy


Agape when i read your transcript of your experience and watched the interviews you mentioned that when you were returning from your experience back into your room, That much information was downloaded to you.

But i never did read or hear anymore about that download, could you share this if possible. No problem if you cannot, but i would love for you to share this part of your experience.


thanks for the loaded question. ;) Download it we can , the problem seems to be the media, now I'm choosing so called golden middle way of explanation.

It covers several subjects at the same time.

To download this information from me to where .. that's question number one

what way ..we need a human interface i suppose ..

intelligent and empathetic human being to receive this information

Must have an imminent interest in extraterrestrial life, origins of life, good background in astrophysics and biology would be appreciated .

It may require days , patience and commitment .

No idea who is going to pay that right now but someone will.


;) more next time ..

[Billy]

Personally and who told you it's a game ? Any Elder by chance ? It's not a game, unless it's you against time . You're but part of Time and time is a flow ..

:pray:

Good morning Agape. I have to go to work now so a quick reply.

No not the Elders. I realized it was all a game through my personal experiences of my souls journey. Mostly negative and what i perceived as painful experiences. My time spent in Bosnia between 1985 and 1996 was the greatest catalyst for me.

I began to understand that if i changed my perspective on my view of the world and humanity. Then my world would change and those around me also changed. When i changed how i responded towards others actions then everything changed again.

I have to go. speak soon

Peace

[eaglespirit]

Billy


Agape when i read your transcript of your experience and watched the interviews you mentioned that when you were returning from your experience back into your room, That much information was downloaded to you.

But i never did read or hear anymore about that download, could you share this if possible. No problem if you cannot, but i would love for you to share this part of your experience.


thanks for the loaded question. ;) Download it we can , the problem seems to be the media, now I'm choosing so called golden middle way of explanation.

It covers several subjects at the same time.

To download this information from me to where .. that's question number one

what way ..we need a human interface i suppose ..

intelligent and empathetic human being to receive this information

Must have an imminent interest in extraterrestrial life, origins of life, good background in astrophysics and biology would be appreciated .

It may require days , patience and commitment .

No idea who is going to pay that right now but someone will.


;) more next time ..

Hello Agape...Wishing You Well!

This is the place and time, methinks...that person will come forward...
and more shared here, mehopes!

[Agape]

Well. They dispatched some troops to clean the mess already this morning and it will take a while before they clean the ZOO and bring the tigers back, I suppose .


http://news.yahoo.com/german-troops-sent-help-flooded-cities-114518094.html

German troops sent in to help its flooded cities

Germany dispatched thousands of soldiers Tuesday to help cities and towns cope with flooding from the rain-soaked Danube and other southern rivers — reinforcements that came a day after the Bavarian city of Passau saw its worst flooding since 1501.
Chancellor Angela Merkel toured flooded regions of southeastern Germany on Tuesday, pledging at least 50 million euros ($65 million) in immediate federal help and holding out the possibility for more. She told reporters in Passau, a city of 50,000 on the Austrian border, that the damage looked even worse than during the massive flooding that hit central Europe in 2002.
At least eight people have been reported dead so far and nine missing in the floods sweeping through Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Czech Republic.
Some 4,000 German soldiers were called in as well as more than 2,000 federal disaster workers and 600 federal police to sandbag areas in danger of flooding and provide other assistance. Water levels were still rising in major rivers such as the Danube and Elbe as well as tributaries.
In the Czech Republic, authorities evacuated animals from the Prague zoo and closed a major bridge in the capital on Tuesday.
The rain in Prague has halted but the Vltava river that runs through the city and flows into the Elbe was still raging, with currents and water levels far exceeding the norm. The famous Charles Bridge was closed as a precaution.
On the outskirts of Prague, a major Staropramen beer brewery on the river bank was closed as a protective measure — as were several major chemical factories. One of them — Spolana — released dangerous toxic chemicals into the Elbe during the devastating floods of 2002.
This year's spike in water levels has been far less than in 2002 so far, but still forced the Prague Zoo to evacuate animals after the lower side of the park was submerged and will once again need major reconstruction.
The German city of Passau, a city built around the intersection of the Danube, the Inn and the Ilz rivers, has been one of the worst hit by the flooding in central Europe.
After hitting the highest level in more than 500 years in Passau on Monday, the floodwaters there had dropped by an estimated 2.5 meters (nearly 8 feet) Tuesday but cities downstream like Regensburg were bracing for the water's arrival.
Peak floodwaters coursing out of the Czech Republic were expected to hit Dresden, capital of the German province of Saxony, along the Elbe in three to four days. Already, the German cities of Pirna and Meissen were reporting flooding in their historic centers.
Cities and towns in the German states of Saxony Anhalt, Thuringia and Brandenburg were also hit with flooding.



It's still cloudy . The healthy spinach noodles there were in fridge for saviour occasions for some 8 years at least and healthy tomato catchup and soya sauce , and vegetable seasoning .. I seldom if ever eat those things but thought to try ..

I'd better go and feed some homeless people with those noodles :fie:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22752544


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22767268

[Agape]

Personally and who told you it's a game ? Any Elder by chance ? It's not a game, unless it's you against time . You're but part of Time and time is a flow ..

:pray:

Good morning Agape. I have to go to work now so a quick reply.

No not the Elders. I realized it was all a game through my personal experiences of my souls journey. Mostly negative and what i perceived as painful experiences. My time spent in Bosnia between 1985 and 1996 was the greatest catalyst for me.

I began to understand that if i changed my perspective on my view of the world and humanity. Then my world would change and those around me also changed. When i changed how i responded towards others actions then everything changed again.

I have to go. speak soon

Peace

Good morning ,


I know what you mean Billy , the question remains .. how many people on earth are able to realise it's not a game before the few top players hit the end .
Quite few in my opinion, the rest will have to go on with their best of intuition and faith in the 'game controllers' .



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22766511

ET game excavation confirmed by studio

A Canadian studio has confirmed to the BBC it will search a former landfill site in New Mexico where Atari's much-criticised ET game may be buried.

Fuel Entertainment has permission from the city of Alamogordo to excavate and is finalising funding for the project.

The video game was among the first to be licensed from a film franchise and was based on the Spielberg film ET.

Despite the success of the film the game was very badly received and Atari suffered huge financial losses.

It was released at Christmas 1982 for the Atari 2600 console but many copies were returned and the game was given terrible reviews.

Shortly afterwards the entire video games industry crashed, as PCs started to become more widespread.

Urban legend
In September 1983 the firm is said to have dumped millions of cartridges at the landfill site and buried them under concrete.

Fuel Entertainment, which has offices in Canada and LA, has six months to carry out its search, to coincide with the 30th anniversary.

"ET was one of the first videogames based on a licensed property, and one of the earliest and most poignant examples of mass over-hyping in digital entertainment," Mike Burns, CEO of Fuel Entertainment, told the BBC.

"With the city of Alamogordo's approval to explore the dump site, we're currently looking forward to moving further into the planning and preparation process."

Atari has never confirmed whether it did dump the games there and journalists were kept away when several trucks arrived from the firm's El Paso plant in Texas.

Local resident Joe Lewandowski, who worked at the site at the time, told the Almogordo Daily News that he saw "games and other Atari related brick-a-brac" bulldozed and buried in concrete.

However Mr Burns has admitted that Fuel Entertainment's search may prove fruitless.

"We don't know exactly what we'll find, but it's bound to be interesting," he said.

What's so bad about the game?

The object of the game is for ET to find parts of a phone to put together in order to "phone home" and be collected by a spaceship as happens at the end of the film.

The character has to avoid falling into any of the many pits which proliferate across every screen, and being caught by a scientist and FBI agent who are in close pursuit throughout.

In a YouTube video, a reviewer, called Aqualung, says the game fails because it is too complicated - and there are too many pits.

"It seems like a decent game on paper but it's impossible to follow without the manual," he said.

"The real reason so many people hate it at the level that they do is that they have no clue what to do. "



Don't you think it sums it up pretty well .


Thanks and many blessings


:grouphug:

[mahalall]

"So yes I expected when I return and report what has happened in Bodhgaya with the full raport and impact the event had and detail the information
that I will be heard . Instead, when I started to tell this 'story' to group of y former meditation students, most of whom are older than i am and some on good posts,
they are looking at me like bunch of fairies ..Fairies is good but this is not a fairy tale" agape,

Introducing The Avatamsaka sutra they might to bridge the void,

http://info.stiltij.nl/publiek/meditatie/soetras2/avatamsaka-cleary.pdf

[Agape]

You know what Mahallal , the Great Flood washes down all the great sins ..

that's what is happening, not much news under the Sun .

The guys that betrayed us in Munich 1938 , wish they all took good history lesson in between and that history was a past, washed away .

Such is a power of truth Mahallal .

It's said in holy scripture that one who speaks truth and knows the worth of truth can move earth and heaven .

I am against humanitarian disasters and makes me very sick and sad to be part of that .



:rain:

[mahalall]

Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.

~ Charlie Chaplin

[Agape]

I feel I kind of need to go somewhere ... i feel so much better when i am on road or somewhere, just to be free ... meet some friends, do my work .
I'm feeling too alone here to do anything.

It's not fun. I don't like this solitary confinement . I am not a criminal. I have a working mind and want to be helpful. I'm bit specific in my endeavours but i hope it's something workable.

:yawn:

[CdnSirian]

Agape maybe you're not on the road...just the internet highway. And you are useful. Much love.

[johnf]

Agape maybe you're not on the road...just the internet highway. And you are useful. Much love.

I am with CdnSirian, I am receiving much inspiration, and encouragement from your presence here.
I hope you get to travel soon, as it sounds like you and many others would benefit from it.

[Agape]

Thanks. I definitely want to be connected , and need to do much more to move things forwards . It's not a side job or whatever, it's serious life situation.

The problem is , I've been here like this since 2005 . Except for the last 9 months and now I'm back to it and lots has happened in between but in gist,
I don't do what I should do because certain things gone a bit wrong, morally and emotionally, for considerable length of time and I am not able to get along alone either.
I've never had that experience earlier in my life, before it concerned ETs and this Bodhgaya data, with people entering to my life, playing games and f**** away , just mistakes I do with trusting them ?

It's destabilising , morally, emotionally , physically . I'm vulnerable anyway where relationships are concerned but you know, everyone is when something bigger happens no one can deal with .

And then , I can't go and share what the situation is with about anyone because if it entails ETs, and i think it's rather huge problem to sort out, they automatically, put that funny face on and start talking about their garden and it scares them off .

Which is funny after all, seeing all these Alpha dogs scared by girl . Or insisting on something when I'm almost fainting and he looks at watch and says, sorry I need to go .


It's not feeling safe and comfy even in my own bed. Knowing every next day has about the same chances . I feel scared because on that damned emotional level it's not sortable.
Barry is taking things very easy now , as recommended by his doctors and wife , eats lots of pills for good health and does not seem to be in workable circumstances at all. He can't make sense of his computer, and he's hiding all the time in front of everyone,
I'm afraid his reasoning regressed to 5 year old, perpetually asking his family if what he does is good . Being ''busy'' with going to store and doctors and taking rests as recommended and doing his own things but he simply, will be there all afternoon, and says i have no time and i am very busy man, things you'd expect from president of US .
He can't talk to me openly , for very long time , in fear that his wife would suspect him of something. I have been in India for 9 months now . It's a miracle because I was not entirely in shape to go if at all but it's still a home.
Just can't damage my freshly recovered views as fast as needed, bit of sarcasm intended.

It just does not make good sense to be here . :bounce:



P.S. For forum moderators and similar guys, 'here' in my posts does not refer to forum rather than own physical location, unless specified. I'd put this to my footnote to avoid running to misunderstandings all the time .

[Agape]

http://news.yahoo.com/asteroid-size-small-truck-buzzes-earth-nasa-142722320.html

Asteroid the size of a small truck buzzes Earth: NASA


CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (Reuters) - An asteroid the size of a small truck zoomed past Earth four times closer than the moon on Saturday, the latest in a parade of visiting celestial objects that has raised awareness of potentially hazardous impacts on the planet.
NASA said Asteroid 2013 LR6 was discovered about a day before its closest approach to Earth, which occurred at 12:42 a.m. EDT (0442 GMT on Saturday) about 65,000 miles over the Southern Ocean, south of Tasmania, Australia.
The 30-foot-wide (10-metre-wide) asteroid posed no threat.
A week ago, the comparatively huge 1.7-mile-wide (2.7-km-wide) asteroid QE2, complete with its own moon in tow, passed 3.6 million miles (5.8 million km) from Earth.
While on February 15, a small asteroid exploded in the atmosphere over Chelyabinsk, Russia, leaving more than 1,500 people injured by flying glass and debris. That same day, an unrelated asteroid passed just 17,200 miles from Earth, closer than the networks of communication satellites that ring the planet.
"There is theoretically a collision possible between asteroids and planet Earth," astronomer Gianluca Masi, with the Virtual Telescope project, said during a Google+ webcast that showed live images of the approaching asteroid.
NASA says it has found about 95 percent of the large asteroids, those with diameters 0.65 miles or larger, with orbits that take them relatively close to Earth.
An object of that size hit the planet about 65 million years ago in what is now Mexico's Yucatan peninsula, triggering a global climate change that is believed to be responsible for the demise of the dinosaurs and many other forms of life on Earth.
The U.S. space agency and other research organizations, as well as private companies, are working on tracking smaller objects that fly near Earth.



It's weird. The previous asteroid fly by occurred as the floods started last weekend , there might be connection . Last night too felt rather nightmarish,
it had very similar energy .


:plane:

[Agape]

It's feeling like after big fight here . There is so very little I can do myself about it all if anything.

I am just afraid that whatever I say or write here will be misread, whatever I trust to anyone is misunderstood.
There were many people who thought they 'know something' and could assist with proceeding the data or whatever but at the end, it proved they knew too little .
Almost everyone attached to me are either ill, disabled, searching for help for themselves, it's very faint and bleak ''family constellation'' at the moment.

A private situation, you may say and I should not write here . But there's no one to tell anything.

I don't believe myself this is happening but it's all feeling very low key and the intelligence in me, if any remains feels like to throw up .
All these people have no idea, most have even no capacity to judge that, why oh why did the ETs allow me to go back here.

Just feeling very self destructive at the moment and that's all.



:rain:

[Agape]

It really may be near the time for me to quit the Planet , no pun and no hassle , no dramas included .
Why, because the solutions and way to them seem to be further than they ever were , I simply have to analyse the situation on my own and come to the point, again and again, the logical outcome ..it should never fail but it has to and it does .

I am feeling very negative just about everything available to me here , and the system in general, coming back from India after 9 months yep,
but it's not exactly about the 'culture shock' as some of my friends kindly put it down ,
I lived between India and here since I am 19 , pretty familiar with both environments .


The reasons why and how we left , last year and who was involved and how it turned up..were beyond my personal sense of responsibility or configuration though.

It would require its own paragraph to explain but I'm uncertain of how many people can follow what I say with sense .

It's feeling like if I've returned to some much lower key, primitive level of experience and society now.
People i can talk to here are not on the level , and afraid, not trustable and have loads of their own problems.

I could have stayed in Dharamsala, for sure . The reason why i came back to Prague is that I have mum here and there's no one else in the family she relies on besides me, it's 'safe and comfy' here, and having internet connection.

Else than that, my eyes are just starring to space , and crying. In this hoorendous emptiness of intelligence, this indifference called 'the civilisation',
I can not survive.


It's simply, when you take all these good human things to hand and something in you is creaming no no, it may be the time to quit soon. I'd not know that otherwise .



Not giving up, in case you read me.. just saying.



I'm very happy creature otherwise and also , quite rational being. But I am bumping my head to empty walls here . Losing the contact with your 'civilisation' so to say ..


:hug:

[Billy]

Billy


Agape when i read your transcript of your experience and watched the interviews you mentioned that when you were returning from your experience back into your room, That much information was downloaded to you.

But i never did read or hear anymore about that download, could you share this if possible. No problem if you cannot, but i would love for you to share this part of your experience.


thanks for the loaded question. ;) Download it we can , the problem seems to be the media, now I'm choosing so called golden middle way of explanation.

It covers several subjects at the same time.

To download this information from me to where .. that's question number one

what way ..we need a human interface i suppose ..

intelligent and empathetic human being to receive this information

Must have an imminent interest in extraterrestrial life, origins of life, good background in astrophysics and biology would be appreciated .

It may require days , patience and commitment .

No idea who is going to pay that right now but someone will.


;) more next time ..

Hello Agape...Wishing You Well!

This is the place and time, methinks...that person will come forward...

and more shared here, mehopes!

I agree with with mehopes Agape.

Maybe you will not find all the qualities you are looking for in one person.


we need a human interface i suppose ..

intelligent and empathetic human being to receive this information

Must have an imminent interest in extraterrestrial life, origins of life, good background in astrophysics and biology would be appreciated .



Have you tried putting out a request here on Avalon. Is it Possible that Bill Ryan could recommend someone with all the qualities that you seek.

Peace

[Agape]

Good idea Billy but again, you know what , what . We can't write to that advertisement that I need hug and all the Teddy Bears they have in store to cope .
They'd think I am childish, making fun or being mental case.

In the meantime, the way I was 'kept' here over 6 years hanging on very limited internet communication with various threats and worries that went along this 'research field' to find that the person on the other end either never got me right or had their own reasons to handle the file they did, demanding absolute trust from me so it kept going else it would not and at the end ..
there's no one here i can approach for help which they knew right from the start and all the way along ..



I don't know if it would help, in this stage. It's sort of getting late ..

I thought of 'how to sell an ET on Ebay' earlier , which would only attract all sorts of madness and fun replies .


I will cry on that big longer


:fish2:

[nenosema]

agape,

Eva
i am not supposing that I have any clue of what to do, i see that you are upset, i wish that i could hug you ~<(-.-)>~
for now you will have to settele for telepathic vertual ones, no need to buy up the teddy bears, could you fit them all anyway?
nauh. make room for yourself dear, you're far too encompassing to fit in here, don't try tomake sure others understand you, Say what you need to to feel understood, someone somewhere with spool pulled will hear what you mean.. it may not be today.


i think there are alot of us here, who have a certain way of understanding or coming up with each little soloutions to things and problems for here now on Earth....
the information you feel needs to be out there or is searching for right person ears, well.. maybe that is more of us? Why do you have to wait,
not all the answers of what to be don ewith this informations and other peoples informations afterwards....most people know what to do with.. because we need to wake up
some see so many ideas they become confuzzeled and don't know what to do.



i wish you would take a four days (No computer!) to meditate and tell me what you feel.. (i will do the same)
i wish you would take time and compile a lesson for us, of your own, of where you were going when you found all of this stuff out, hehehe baaaafoore you got there! :]

i love you everything is ok

[Agape]

Thanks. Sending you :hug: in return . I've been meditating lots of years of my life, no computers nope.

I've instead been starring to the Big Model of the Kalachakra Mandala, on the wall inside the Namgyal Monastery, for 6 years . They now built large Kalachakra deity statue behind the pillar where I used to meditate.
It has a cushion and all that you need ..

I've seen things you've never seen ... ( perhaps ) ... and even if i talk lifetime i won't have time to describe them . The time maybe running out faster as planned, as usually .

It's always the same, i am ahead of time , no matter what you do or i do, i may never fit in just about anywhere and the chance you fit in is like , as they say, catching a sea turtle with net that has only one eye submerged to the great ocean .

How about that . I had to be crazy to set myself on this mission..


Well, I mean to say you see all the important things including world news , new physical theories, discoveries etc . if you look to the Time Wheel long enough . Hope that explains about everything ..but that's not the end . ( No , for the science fiction reader, the Mandala exists )

but that's a mere beginning .


I'll try to continue tomorrow



:sleep:


http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/India%20Album/KalachakraTemple14.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/India%20Album/KalachakraTemple14.jpg.html)


Yes can always fit in all those Teddy Bears :panda:

[Agape]

So what happened then is that everyone went for the Kalachakra initiation conferred by H.H.Dalailama to about thousands of people, in Bodhgaya , and my lamas repeatedly reminded me to go as well ..
otherwise , and if that had been entirely upon me i would continue guarding the mandala and have peace time .

I have had dreams before going that suggested something weird may happen . One day i bought myself fresh coconut to eat, in winter ..out of season, the coconut had some green mold inside which i removed but ate the rest of coconut.

I think i've got sick like a bad flu for 3 days after and one night had a dream , where i was in room full of skulls, some with inscriptions on them in red and various colored letters . It was very spiritual dream at the same time so i felt rather positive and my health returned to normal as soon as it came .

Then it started snowing , in January and even the last dog and mouse left to Bodhgaya, except for local Indian village and few scarce tourists and temple had two monks and me and 20 armed guards walking around every evening which started to get on my nerves seriously ,
so i then booked train ticket from Pathankot to Gaya which lasts about 33 hours , it's usually more since Indian trains like every other trains have delays .

I survived the journey quite well considering and arrived to something like great human anthill ,
with hundreds of monks and all other people flooding dusty streets of Bodhgaya .

I went around almost all the town and its temples during the very first day,
could not stop walking .

Searching for accommodation was difficult, i had two options like to stay in monks tent or pay to sleep on floor at local village which was feeling like odd place and though those people were welcoming, they were scared of strangers .

I ended up sitting at one of the banyan trees in park surrounding the Mahabodhi Stupa late evening, thinking i opt to overnight under that tree,
why not if buddha could be there 6 years .

Curiously enough i was left alone in the park untill i noticed guard walking to me and explaining the complex was closed at 9 pm and i should go home.

The street outside had wild dogs mad barking and two three drunkards moving around without prediction. People tend to go to sleep early at those places as they get up early, usually with sunrise , as well .

Walking the dark empty streets i went intuitively back to the Gaya road from where bus arrived and stopped in front of old Burmese monastery, the oldest in Bodhgaya, with dusted entry gate decorated with two burmese dragons on each side and safely locked for the night.

However , they let me in , with great kindness and compassion and gave me safe bed in the underground dormitory . It was place were wood was kept to make furniture usually so smelled nicely with wood , beds were but wood planks but they gave me mattress and mosquito net if i remember .

I had to meet the abbot on the other day, Venerable U Nyen Da who was almost 80 years old but in great health and spirits and kept rebuilding the monastery and running poor children's school and feeding them , on his compound.
We had peacocks in the garden, two big and very sweet dogs in the yard, an owl on the palm at times and well with water from deep undergrounds .

We had hot shower bunker in the middle of the yard where i could take hot shower at my own pleasure , after some 2 years of cold treatment in Dharamsala and it healed my cough .. together with the ET encounter ..



http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/India%20Album/PICT0015.jpg

Venerable U-Nyen-Da , abbot of Burmese Monastery in Bodhgaya ( for about 25 years ), he speaks fluently 3 languages , very wise and intelligent being, he's about 80 now i guess but responsible for everything, we made good friends while i was there

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/India%20Album/PICT0012.jpg

The garden roof top of Burmese monastery

[Agape]

The place was little safe heaven . Loving and caring for all the dear souls as much as they could. We were about 3 or 4 in the dormitory as all rooms and places were already occupied , few Tibetan families camping in small tents on the yard as well .
It was peaceful and everyone was treated as part of the family, what i truly enjoyed was seeing people on level advanced enough to forget all the racial bias and culture prejudice that still rule and ruin every secular society to a deal , even on subtle level as well as paying respect to the purity of principles and loving kindness ..

that makes people good beings rather than ''Buddhists'','' Muslims ''or ''Christians'' .

Despite those thousands of people in streets everyday, jamming at times at narrow roads leading to the Stupa, you could see nothing but smiling faces and gestures of empathy. Obviously , we were all in that ..
no matter caste and creed .

On the next day morning I went around the market and met friends from Jonang monastery who helped me to make registration , especially as i had nothing else than photocopy of my passport in hand and then i kept walking not knowing where,
i found myself on shallow banks of the river Niranjana which is wide but low stream of water in winter so can be crossed with bare foot.

I saw children running across the river to the other side and wanted to follow them .. then i heard strange call from lonely figure watching me in distance, red robed Tibetan monk, calling me away from the river .
Out of respect i went to ask him what he means, with strange accent he told me not to go there as many people died in that river .
Got cold shivers in my spine but did not understand what is it he's waring me from and why . He did not seem to want to give me all the answers .

He started to explain instead about the 'Sujata village' on the other bank that relates to the times of Buddha and when he meditated for 6 years taking very little or no food around the woods in Bodhgaya . One day when he sat meditating under holy ficus tree that served as abode of local spirits ,
little girl named Sujata brought bowl of curds and rice as offering to the tree and seeing that emaciated green skinned Sidhartha under tree in yoga posture she thought he's ghost embodied, freaked out, offered him the rice and curds and ran away .
Sidhartha though, starving and in pain from long years of fasting accepted the offering as a sign from Heavens . Daily, the little girl brought new bowl of rice and curds till he recovered his power .
He then left the tree after many days and found refuge at foot of large Bodhi tree ,
and it's said that after 3 days and nights of focused meditation,
he defeated the Maras ( tempting spirits ) , the power of delusion, greed, hatred, anger , jealousy , envy and pride
and attained supreme and unshakable insight to the nature of reality .

The village where from the girl came is called the Sujata village to this day and there are some archeological excavations going on in there.


..

[Agape]

All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten

Robert L. Fulghum



Credo

Each spring, for many years, I have set myself the task of writing a personal statement of belief: a Credo. When I was younger, the statement ran for many pages, trying to cover every base, with no loose ends. It sounded like a Supreme Court brief, as if words could resolve all conflicts about the meaning of existence.

The Credo has grown shorter in recent years - sometimes cynical, sometimes comical, and sometimes bland - but I keep working at it. Recently I set out to get the statement of personal belief down to one page in simple terms, fully understanding the naïve idealism that implied.

The inspiration for brevity came to me at a gasoline station. I managed to fill my old car's tank with super deluxe high-octane go-juice. My old hoopy couldn't handle it and got the willies - kept sputtering out at intersections and belching going downhill. I understood. My mind and my spirit get like that from time to time. Too much high-content information, and I get the existential willies. I keep sputtering out at intersections where life choices must be made and I either know too much or not enough. The examined life is no picnic.

I realized then that I already know most of what's necessary to live a meaningful life - that it isn't all that complicated. I know it. And have known it for a long, long time. Living it - well that's another matter, yes? Here's my Credo:

All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate-school mountain, but there in the sandpile at Sunday School. These are the things I learned:

Share everything.

Play fair.

Don't hit people.

Put things back where you found them.

Clean up your own mess.

Don't take things that aren't yours.

Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.

Wash your hands before you eat.

Flush.

Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.

Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.

Take a nap every afternoon.

When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.

Wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.

Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.

And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.

Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living.

Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or your government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk about three o'clock every afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess.

And it is still true, no matter how old you are - when you go out into the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together.



....


As one old Swami said, where there's Humanity , Divinity is a Possibility. Where there's no Humanity , Divinity is no go..




Old Good Tai Situ Rimpoche :


duCF0QE2Oqs


Be Happy. Everything is ultimately perfect therefor , be alright. I can guarantee You that all the difficulties You or I May have are but temporary and relative .



:pray:

[johnf]

Be Happy. Everything is ultimately perfect therefor , be alright. I can guarantee You that all the difficulties You or I May have are but temporary and relative .


:pray:

And when we succeed in really believeing that, right in the middle of the worst current events the next 20 years can throw at us, well, what if we can?
What if THAT actually works.
Thanks Agape
jf

[Agape]

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For your ears only ...

;)

[ghostrider]

It is sad, we are so conditioned, we need or wait or long for , our government to make a document, then a TV statement , ooops ET is real ... now the world believes ... ehummmm but we have known all along ...we were just waiting for them to catch up with us ...

[Agape]

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It's an important broadcast . This is not an exercise ..repeat, this is not an exercise ..

:tea:

However ..it's not all well explained and understood, some of the target information is misconcepted therefor is bound to be misunderstood

[Agape]

It's an important and very compact video and it may not hold there too long,
I don't think mankind is ready for that much at the moment ..
too much to deal with ..

[Richard Gabriel]

OMG that video made me so angry. I managed only the first several minutes of it. From just what I saw, if all the self indulgent, metaphoric, looped bullsh.t was cut from it, maybe, just maybe, it contains some shred of sensibility. As it is, I can think of no better example for something that would have the trolls, sceptics and shrills laughing their pants off at the gift of convoluted nonsense this appears to dive into. ANY proper, serious presentation of such alleged material, if true and genuine, could be expected to be presented in a simple format with the utmost professional gravity; not in a wash of irrelevant moronic imagery.

[Agape]

OMG that video made me so angry. I managed only the first several minutes of it. From just what I saw, if all the self indulgent, metaphoric, looped bullsh.t was cut from it, maybe, just maybe, it contains some shred of sensibility. As it is, I can think of no better example for something that would have the trolls, sceptics and shrills laughing their pants off at the gift of convoluted nonsense this appears to dive into. ANY proper, serious presentation of such alleged material, if true and genuine, could be expected to be presented in a simple format with the utmost professional gravity; not in a wash of irrelevant moronic imagery.


What an interesting comment from an Avalonian . I've seen couple of those under all youtube vids concerning ET civilisations.


Even the same words used, are you working in a group guys ?


And for whom ?


Oh you can't tell . :popcorn:

[Agape]

yLOob_arRtY

There's a little video addendum from the same person ..

It's no way easy deal to watch it all but it's not about the first 3 minutes , it's not even in the 2 hours .
You may well need another 1000 years ... and keep asking WHY every day .

I too felt very mixed up and arrogant feelings in me after consuming the information last night but unfortunately, or not, the coin falls more on truth side in this case .

[Agape]

B-DZ0SSJq0k

It seems that logical sequencing in pictures is not exactly human favourite , some need lots of black n white letters with round and rectangular stamps to understand what they see.
It's a human way of dealing with information I believe .

Another civilisation in Space may not be used or even able to communicate in the same manner .


Do you think it's all about human alphabet out there ?



:emptybath:

[Richard Gabriel]

Hi Agape,

You have to understand that I am not up for having a bump of heads with you over this issue. It is not that at all.
It is just simply that peoples minds are saturated with metaphor and stereotypical descriptions of all kinds for this subject, which have been hijacked a thousand times by numpties to indulge themselves before the truth.

My writings declare a clear belief and understanding in our origins from an off-planet place, through an off-planet race.
In fact, apart from our animal rescue activities in Egypt, every cent and penny of our spare cash (beyond necessity) - has financed 13 years of our 'in-the-field' research in Egypt to try and find the holy grail of actual evidence directly from our ancient ancestors.
The results are shown plain and simple through dozens of reports and thousands of photographs from our main site. (http://www.richardgabriel.info)
People talk of a Hall of Records..... We prefer simply, repositories! (We coined the phrase WALLS of Record as much as a cheeky pun against the original Halls title - as much as it was perhaps an accurate assessment of the ancient images we found underground of the Giza plateau.

These are just a couple of examples, but where all of these stereo-typical words or expressions are used, they conjure up an often manipulated 'set' expectation.
The same is true for so called exposure videos like the one/s you shared here.

I remember years ago I obtained a substantial written document from the early internet, giving great detail and descriptions of the known off-planet races.
I still have it buried somewhere in my files. The point is that it was crisp and factual like a decent report needs to be.
Videos like the ones presented go way beyond simple factual, and dress any essential material in an arty-farty collage of images which do not represent the purpose of what they are intended to convey. All they do is serve something in the mind and personality of the movie maker.

I hope this clarifies my point.
Blessings
Richard

[Agape]

Hello Richard, please accept my apologies . I am not to arguments either . Your site looks like very interesting place to explore ..

however , I'm not coming 'out of nowhere' with my posting here either
and I'm aware of existence of those numerous space civilisations
who were related to 'us' and ancestors of human-kind
in times before times ,
and I've seen many of them through our memories

I'm also a witness for the Camelot Project
with the ''Bodhgaya Event Report'' (http://projectcamelotproductions.com/mediafiles/Bodhgaya%20ReportFINALVERSION.pdf) and have serious data of what you probably prefer to call''unknown origin'' .

Not all of those could be made available in the current time-line ..


Vis the video , it needs to be seen in total for better judgement I suggest .


I'll say more on this later, out of time at the moment .


Your patience is appreciated


Peace Love and Blessings


:tea:

[Agape]

State of anxiety ..

since I came back to Europe and having to deal AGAIN with this heap of human mistrust and misunderstanding .

For many people, I seem to be 'written off' simply because I'm not like them, I don't have 8 hour job, I don't have family, I seem to claim something that sounds totally outlandish, I'm being in pack with various other outlandish individuals with 'similarly crazy' claims.

There were big floods in Europe , that's how this thread started . Very few people ever noticed that,

perhaps due to the nature of my Bodhgaya Event Report ?

There had been bomb blasts in Bodhgaya couple of days ago, again, I mean , if someone else would post the news .. I'm sure there would be plenty of intelligent response .
Not so when I do . I seem to be crack .

I think I am on the way to being one for sure. Friend from Sweden ( former member of this forum ) has been visiting here for two weeks at the moment ,
so we keep sorting common difficulties .

The anxiety I experience since returning here to Prague worsens by the day though and I still remember I was quite fluent speaker and felt like free , respected and honest individual who I ever were, two month ago.

I become stuck in words and unable to get word of myself nowadays, and life is slowly turning to another nightmare .

It does not really matter if I choose to unsubscribe from this human experience .


I remember I was consider gifted, somewhat eccentric but emotionally healthy minded individual before this ever happened.
For claiming myself to who I am and what I've seen , for reporting real Events, for reporting scientific data that is not in accordance with the mainstream,
I'm now several , that is almost 8 years on target, where human mistrust and doubts are in rule .

It's not bearable anymore and I will never stop being ME. What happened and the whole process is not reversible . Physically, biologically or otherwise and even if it was I'd never chose state of nescience and inertia instead of state of knowing .

It seems to be extremely difficult to get things right .

[Agape]

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Well..we are watching ..



:alien: :hug:

[Frenchy]

before they fall down under lamp.If they have good luck you'll pick them up ..

No, it is not, so much the ET, who leaves their body, who would be lucky, as the ' passer-by ', who stops to help them up, to step back into the little Human dignity and love which still remains...

When I leave this body (quite worn-out now ! lol ! ), I hope to God, I will carry with me , all the wonderful moments
of this experience.

For, the Person who falls alone (whatever their origin, be it from another realm, or be it ' The Little Match Girl ', will enter a better existence of some sort.... just my theory :-)