What form will the correct and final model of reality take?

[•Ik•]

What if there were a model and theory that fit all of the available data from each and every discipline?

That model would explain all phenomena and objects and would be the end of science, religion, and philosophy, no?

Scientists—and everyone else—would know. No more belief, no more speculation, no more posturing and arguments.

What do you think the final and complete model of reality will be?

Do you think it possible?

Just curious to see what y'all think.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[Dorjezigzag]

Every human heartbeat is a Universe of possibilities.

[naste.de.lumina]

This model already exists. It is love.
People simply do not know how to apply it to everything.
Be good to each other.

[giovonni]

whatever attention you put your mind and heart into.

[•Ik•]

Interesting responses. I like them all. Love is so important, and I find it in each of the prior three posts (heart, love, heart)

Every single thing in the universe of possibilities - that is, everyone, everything, everywhen, everywhere, everywhat, and everywhy—suould be incorporated...

Keep 'em comin'!

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[naste.de.lumina]

Interesting responses. I like them all. Love is so important, and I find it in each of the prior three posts (heart, love, heart)

Every single thing in the universe of possibilities - that is, everyone, everything, everywhen, everywhere, everywhat, and everywhy—suould be incorporated...

Keep 'em comin'!

Peace on Earth,

Ik


dFNifgYAQ-k

From one heart to another heart.

[T Smith]

What if there were a model and theory that fit all of the available data from each and every discipline?

That model would explain all phenomena and objects and would be the end of science, religion, and philosophy, no?

Scientists—and everyone else—would know. No more belief, no more speculation, no more posturing and arguments.

What do you think the final and complete model of reality will be?

Do you think it possible?

Just curious to see what y'all think.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

Not sure if it would be the end of science, religion, and philosophy, but I'm pretty sure it would be the synthesis of science, religion, and philosophy...

[•Ik•]

Agreed, T Smith. A sage distinction.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[Bubu]

http://www.wingmakers.us/wingmakersorig/www.wingmakers.com/arrow/chambers/indexes/philo.shtml

[donk]

It is: I am. And I know.

It would be every consciousness taking the voice you (I...Ik) normally take in your posts. And everyone appreciating it

[Kraut]

What I wonder is whether there could be such a thing as a final model of reality. It seems that the universe and reality are constantly changing and evolving. That's my thought from a more "material" perspective. From a spiritual perspective I'd say oneness is reality. (But don't listen to me, I'm still figuring out lots of things.)

[Rich]

What I wonder is whether there could be such a thing as a final model of reality.
Then life would cease to exist imo.

[Soulboy]

What if there were a model and theory that fit all of the available data from each and every discipline?

That model would explain all phenomena and objects and would be the end of science, religion, and philosophy, no?

Scientists—and everyone else—would know. No more belief, no more speculation, no more posturing and arguments.

What do you think the final and complete model of reality will be?

Do you think it possible?

Just curious to see what y'all think.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

Game theory computer simulations and predictions of reality and the future have become increasingly accurate in performing this task. As always in cases like that of course, the map is not the territory, but there is definitely something to the predictions these simulations make. Hard to imagine how these models would predict philosophy, religion and spirituality though.

They have been consistently correct in many things. I've read that since the World Bank whistleblower came out, game theory simulations took a very different direction that is quite favourable to the future of the common man, predicting general widespread wealth and an environment where people are permitted to flourish and be happy. Let's see how it plays out...

[CD7]

I think just using the word "reality" associates a certain type of existence...

IT is all unrecognizable from ANYthing here

[markpierre]

I'm still thinking about it. I think the question is a little weird, no offense.

Reality is 'not this', is as close as you can get to anything outside of your experience, because 'this' is the only thing you know of.
So is that limited to 'a model'?
You want something a bit more reasonable than 'this', and I think that's a reasonable request. How that happens, you're not sure.
Reality is a state of mind, not a future place or condition. The state of mind sets the conditions, but you live in them. Keep the hologram idea in on the evaluation.
That's really important because it's not a group hologram, it's yours.

The idea that you need to conceptualize it is a step from it, and accepting that concept as 'truth' or even valuable, slows down or could kill your sense of searching.
That could be as slow as 10 steps back.
It's not the searching but the desire that finds Reality. Desire does tend to keep you searching.
Keep locating that spot where somethings wrong, or missing. Pretty much the opposite of narcissistic affirmations.

Reality doesn't one day 'drop in' nor on any model. It's more like you drop in. It was an accident that you forgot who you were.
Embarrassment. That's the model.

[•Ik•]

What I wonder is whether there could be such a thing as a final model of reality. It seems that the universe and reality are constantly changing and evolving. That's my thought from a more "material" perspective. From a spiritual perspective I'd say oneness is reality. (But don't listen to me, I'm still figuring out lots of things.)

Yes, oneness is reality.

Another way of putting it is that I am One. I am Reality Itself. That is, I am Everyone and Everything that has existed, exists now, and will ever exist. Pretty amazing stuff, the Truth.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[•Ik•]

I'm still thinking about it. I think the question is a little weird, no offense.

Reality is 'not this', is as close as you can get to anything outside of your experience, because 'this' is the only thing you know of.
So is that limited to 'a model'?
You want something a bit more reasonable than 'this', and I think that's a reasonable request. How that happens, you're not sure.
Reality is a state of mind, not a future place or condition. The state of mind sets the conditions, but you live in them. Keep the hologram idea in on the evaluation.
That's really important because it's not a group hologram, it's yours.

The idea that you need to conceptualize it is a step from it, and accepting that concept as 'truth' or even valuable, slows down or could kill your sense of searching.
That could be as slow as 10 steps back.
It's not the searching but the desire that finds Reality. Desire does tend to keep you searching.
Keep locating that spot where somethings wrong, or missing. Pretty much the opposite of narcissistic affirmations.

Reality doesn't one day 'drop in' nor on any model. It's more like you drop in. It was an accident that you forgot who you were.
Embarrassment. That's the model.

No offense taken. I am the model itself. Any attempt at modeling myself, I am that model. Finding the correct and final model would mean that I would finally "see" what I am, at all scales, everywhere, everything, and everyone (and so one, ad infinitum).

For example, I know that I am markpierre and everyone else on this forum. The reason why I require a model is so that markpierre (who perhaps does or does not necessarily agree that I am markpierre) will "see" that is indeed the case. Not sure if this clarifies.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

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What I wonder is whether there could be such a thing as a final model of reality.
Then life would cease to exist imo.

Or, alternatively, the Universe, that is, Life, would fulfill its ultimate goal of knowing Itself.

The End of the Universe is also the Beginning. It's where all the Action happens—where "I" am.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[CD7]

Reality...realize....real eyes

[deridan]

maybe it is a constant in reality, that things are to be done,,and perhaps there will be new evils,

if we had that model, the things and responsibilities we have to do would be very different,... perhaps we would be and have to be on the Elohim level,

till then, we try and find out, and the biggest evil we see around us is that of ignorance,

Greetings fellow Ik,
from a 2 Ik(wind), or a 5-overtone earth in the other mayan hand system

[markpierre]

No offense taken. I am the model itself. Any attempt at modeling myself, I am that model. Finding the correct and final model would mean that I would finally "see" what I am, at all scales, everywhere, everything, and everyone (and so one, ad infinitum).

For example, I know that I am markpierre and everyone else on this forum. The reason why I require a model is so that markpierre (who perhaps does or does not necessarily agree that I am markpierre) will "see" that is indeed the case. Not sure if this clarifies.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

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What I wonder is whether there could be such a thing as a final model of reality.
Then life would cease to exist imo.

Or, alternatively, the Universe, that is, Life, would fulfill its ultimate goal of knowing Itself.

The End of the Universe is also the Beginning. It's where all the Action happens—where "I" am.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

Okay, it's a rhetorical question. You're your own answer, and you want to know how many of yourselves can answer it.
That is rhetoric by the way.

[greybeard]

Its perfection moment by moment-- consciousness evolving to know its Self.
Only one Self ---I am That.
C

[•Ik•]

maybe it is a constant in reality, that things are to be done,,and perhaps there will be new evils,

if we had that model, the things and responsibilities we have to do would be very different,... perhaps we would be and have to be on the Elohim level,

till then, we try and find out, and the biggest evil we see around us is that of ignorance,

Greetings fellow Ik,
from a 2 Ik(wind), or a 5-overtone earth in the other mayan hand system

Greetings! Yes, knowing all would be acknowledging that I am the One who is Ignorant, and I am the One who is responsible for it All - all evil, and all good!

Peace on Earth,

Ik

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Its perfection moment by moment-- consciousness evolving to know its Self.
Only one Self ---I am That.
C

Si, My Brother greybeard. Knowing that I am greybeard - and each and every person (as there is Only One I), I treat Myself with grace, dignity, respect, and, most importantly, love.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[meat suit]

hi IK,

this has pretty much answered your question for me....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38987-The-Nature-of-Reality-by-Tom-Campbell

[greybeard]

hi IK,

this has pretty much answered your question for me....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38987-The-Nature-of-Reality-by-Tom-Campbell


Thanks meat suit and here is Tom Campbell and Bruce Lipton
They are some combination and they are fun to listen to.
Very positive and thought provoking.
They may genuinely be pointing to an evolving human race,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=682099&viewfull=1#post682099

C

[Sunny-side-up]

It won't be a model,
it will be the real thing
:rolleyes:

[Soulboy]

Reality...realize....real eyes

I saw this graffiti sprayed on a garage door on Facebook some years ago that stuck with me. It said:

Real eyes realize real lies

[iNtrPrsnL aLcHmSt --0-o--]

I think that the final model, or at least final from our perspective perhaps, will be when we are conscious as a global organism and each of us functions innately for the greater good.

[Sunny-side-up]

I think that the final model, or at least final from our perspective perhaps, will be when we are conscious as a global organism and each of us functions innately for the greater good.

I'm hopping that our next dimensional reality change might be bigger than we could have hoped for and will be a lot more like your view iNtrPrsnL aLcHmSt --0-o--, wouldn't that be beautiful!

As for 'final model of reality' replace the 'Global-Organism'
with
'Galactic-Organism'
or actually the very final would be
'Universal-Organism'
Now that would be some
Universal-Organism-Orgasm
ha
0.o

[•Ik•]

The real thing is Me, then. That means that everyone here, all members of this forum, are Me. I am all the letters, numbers, the symbols, the avatars, the photons, the mind, consciousness, the history, the politics, the values, the knowledge, the senses, the atoms, electrons, quarks, nucleons, liquid, solid, gas, fat, sugar, protein, nucleic acid, cell, ecosystem, planet, star, moon, galaxy—everything in the universe.

So that's what it means to be God. Heh. So simple to conceive, so difficult to accept.

Peace on Earth,

Ik

[greybeard]

Its all levels --- something to talk about but.
The conversation stopper is the statement, "Only God is"

[Deemah]

Greetings!~

In my opinion The final model of reality has been in development form quite some time now.

It is the model of deeper synchronization with everything in the universe.
As the molecules vibrate faster we are reaching the end of the necessary download that propelles us forward towards a mass awakening of what we truly are as essence!

Physically we will vibrate higher then any disease, there for we will become immune to illness. Higher vibrations will allow us to store more Light in our bodies, allowing our cells to store more information which will allow for incredible reflexes , health and intellect!
Mind will be able to shape and play around with thought and matter much more free without limitations of blockage and distortion, there for manifestations of thought will occur sometimes simultaneously!
Spirit will be more prominent then ever, allowing us to receive cosmic knowledge downloads , master our thoughts and emotions, and expand multidimensionally!

This my friends is our next step in evolution. And it happens currently at an accelerated rate (:

Much L&L!

[silvanelf]

What if there were a model and theory that fit all of the available data from each and every discipline?

That model would explain all phenomena and objects and would be the end of science, religion, and philosophy, no?

Scientists—and everyone else—would know. No more belief, no more speculation, no more posturing and arguments.


It would mean eternal boredom after the discovery of such a model.

Peace on Earth?? I would call it Hell on Earth. No thanks.