Doug Hagmann's DHS Source: "It’s about to get very ugly"

[Bill Ryan]

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http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/8562#more-8562

DHS insider: It’s about to get very ugly

(posted a few hours ago)
(extract)

The details

Doug Hagmann's DHS Insider:
“If anyone thinks that what’s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they’re delusional. If people think that this ‘scandal’ can’t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ‘policy and practice’ in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what’s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ‘betrayal.” That’s what they call it, ‘betrayal.’ Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ‘betrayal,’” he said.

“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.

“What’s that exactly mean, being on that list, that is,” I asked, trying to make sense of it all.

“It means that there will be censorship under the color of authority of anyone in the U.S. who is attempting to expose what’s going on in our name. It’s about controlling any damning information from reaching epidemic proportions. It’s damage control to the extreme. It’s about the upcoming censorship of the internet in the name of national security. The plans are already in place. These latest reports about “spying eyes” have turned this administration and others connected to it into something very, very dangerous. They feel cornered and threatened, and I’m hearing about some plans they have to shut down the flow of information that is implicating them of wrongdoing. Time is short,” he stated.

“How are they going to do this? How is it even possible?” I asked.

“First, they intend to use the Justice Department to silence journalists like in the Rosen case, but they won’t stop there. They will use a host of national security policies, laws, letters, whatever to take out the bigger threats,” he stated.

Next, they will use some sort of excuse, an external threat, and I believe it will be a combination of the economic collapse and a Mid-East war that will begin in Syria to throttle the information that is accessible on the Internet. And you know what? People will believe it!”

Based on what I’ve seen, most of which I should not have seen, the DHS is co-ordinating efforts with other federal agencies to begin to threaten American citizens with incarceration for non-compliance. You know the old talk of color coded lists? Well, this is what they will be using. People exposing the truth about Benghazi, killing the U.S. Dollar, even those questioning Obama’s legal status and eligibility to be President are the current targets. And they’ve had five long years to get to this point. The ugly truth is that these policies and practices did not start under Obama, but long before. This is about the killing of our Constitutional Republic. The murder of our country and the stripping of our rights. While many have been preoccupied with one issue, few have seen the bigger issue. "This is the ‘end game,’ for all the marbles,” he stated.

More to come

“Please,” pleaded my source, “get this information out while you can. Tell people what I’m saying, that we don’t have much time, that after the latest exposure of spying, Obama, Jarrett, Axelrod, and others, including members of Congress, have put their plans into high gear. This is about the Marxist takeover of America. This is about our country being able to survive another July 4th holiday. This is about a world war about to break out that will kill millions of people, all because of the agenda of this administration.”

“They are very dangerous and will do anything and everything to stop the onslaught of negative information that’s being reported by the main stream media. But only about one quarter of the real information is being reported. The other three quarters will be the game changer. But first, tell people what I’ve said. Let them know that more will follow but get this information out right now while the internet is still relatively free. Do it today.”

My source provided additional information, but I am abiding by his wish to get this much out. I am writing now to let people know that we are in for seriously dangerous times ahead. Deadly times. War, and censorship under the color of authority and under the pretext of of national security. It’s about to get a lot uglier. Stay tuned.

Download the entire article as a PDF (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/8562?format=pdf)

[Bill Ryan]

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As many Avalon members will know, for over a year now I've been closely following Doug Hagmann's reports of information leaked to him from 'Rosebud', his high-level contact deep in the DHS.

Everything I know leads me to believe that this is authentic, as I believe are all his previous reports. All the available information absolutely aligns with this. In my view, this is not fear-mongering, this is reality.

I met and spoke with a friend yesterday, an emigrant Pole who was born soon after the end of WW II. In turn, he has a great many Polish and Russian friends. He told me that they can all, every one of them, feel it in their bones, in their genetic memory: our times today are very similar to those his compatriots lived through -- and later suffered through -- in Europe in 1938.

[white wizard]

Yes i knew there was something going on behind the scenes, but

I doubt they will be able to close the door of dirty secrets coming

out of the Government. I posted this in my earlier thread how it all

seemed fishy.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59806-Anyone-noticing-the-scandals-going-on&p=683928#post683928

If this source is somewhat reliable, which I do not know then things

may soon get interesting. Either way one thing is certain when the

people wake up there is nothing that will put them back to sleep.

Hopefully all this will shake people to finally wake up.

On a side note The back lash from all these scandals going on is

kinda surprising as well.

[Azt]

Just one thing Bill, when someone click on the PDF download link, it goes to a strange "DHS IP address" ... Not sure if that is not another way to capture/collect IPS address of people who click on the PDF download link for the list referred above...





From Bill: It goes to http://homelandsecurityus.com -- which is Doug Hagmann's website.

[TigaHawk]

The wall is full of cracks, stuff is leaking through left right and centre. They can try to plug it all they want, it's only going to hold for a little while longer before it all comes crashing down ontop of them. There is not a thing they can do successfully to stop this from happening.

More and more people are awake, they understand how wrong things are but feel powerless to do anything about it. What the PTB are doing now is pushing these people into a corner. Once in the corner there is one thing they cannot stop from happening - the people fighting back and ending this bull****.

Bring it on.

[Bill Ryan]

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To share my thoughts: if I was a high-level DHS strategic planner, I would now be considering a very major, dramatic, and emotionally traumatic false flag event within the US in order to justify the big clampdown with the minimum of objection or protest.

[johnf]

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To share my thoughts: if I was a high-level DHS strategic planner, I would now be considering a very major, dramatic, and emotionally traumatic false flag event within the US in order to justify the big clampdown with the minimum of objection or protest.

Even while taking the above info from the dhs person with my usual pillar of salt, I must agree with your statement Bill.
And thats just from watching what is being said in the "official" news, things are starting to shake, and that opens the door for nefarious counter measures.
I frustrate myself, I saw a link on FB today that mentioned a New york times article that suggested that it is time to repeal the patriot act, anyone see this? I can not find it now.:o

[northstar]

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To share my thoughts: if I was a high-level DHS strategic planner, I would now be considering a very major, dramatic, and emotionally traumatic false flag event within the US in order to justify the big clampdown with the minimum of objection or protest.

Agreed but they also have to find a way to stifle the free flow of information on the internet.

In terms of media propaganda and programming, TV and radio are already tools of the control system.

All resistance is coming from the internet now. For example, using the internet and the "Swarming Principles (http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/)" developed by Rick Falkvinge, three million people worldwide were mobilized for the March Against Monsanto May 25 in a matter of weeks.

http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/
(http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/)
In the last year a number of bills have already been proposed in the US that give the gov't far reaching abilities to shut down websites under the pretext of "copyright infringement". If an assault against liberty occurs you will see many alternative websites shut down permanently. Authoritarian control systems do not want people to be informed of anything beyond gov't sanctioned propaganda. In addition, those sovereign free thinkers who post on such sites will be tracked and very likely blacklisted.

Finally, (and I hope this is not off topic), I recently listened to an interview of a lady by the name of Julia Davis on Red Ice radio. She was a gov't immigration worker, an average person, who made the huge mistake of complaining about a security flaw she discovered in the immigration department where she worked. Instead of being congratulated for doing her job properly and pointing out a flaw in the system, she and her husband have been put through a hellish ordeal by the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and the IRS! This was a lady who never did anything wrong in her life - she was just doing her job! If anyone out there is thinking "I have nothing to worry about because I am not a criminal", you should really listen to that interview. Julia Davis was not a criminal - she was an honest hard working, average citizen, until the Department of Homeland Security decided to make her life a living hell.
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/05/RIR-130526.php

[ghostrider]

I've been having strange dreams the last three days, and today there was a spooky calm in the air ...something is on the threshold, yes I can feel it ... red alert , shields up ...

[Snookie]

I agree with Bill about the FF event happening, but I don't think it will just be on US soil. I think they will be staged all over the world so this will give the scoundrels the excuse to bring in their NWO agenda with a bang. I wouldn't be surprised if plans like this are being discussed at the Bilderberg meeting right now.

If it is true that the Nazi and Zionist factions have struck a tentative truce in order to bring their common goal of a NWO about, now seems to be as good a time as any.

They are starting to panic because they realize the masses are starting to wake up, and they better git 'er done PDQ!

[spiritguide]

It will soon be time to communicate with ham radios. Get those crystals set up and burning again.

[Vitalux]

All I see is love :confused:

But then again, my mind is like the soil of a garden.
It tends to grow what is planted. :ohwell:

[gripreaper]

My first thought is: We live in duality, and when the extremes of the nefarious negative agenda are at such extremes, the equal and opposite energy does "blowback".

Yes, we can site previous epochs where the adverse polarity took on a life of it's own and was able to sustain a "peak" of fear and loathing, but the balance remains and the backlash is not linear. This force can be "pent up" and coiled until it overwhelms the opposite.

The "firing" off of this energy, when viewed from a non dual state, does create an amalgamation and a synthesis which has the potential to move into a unified field where it becomes a manifestation of something totally new, not polarized.

The elite want to divide and conquer and keep things polarized to the extreme, yet even they know the secret, that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Doing their dastardly deeds in stealth and "as the frog boils" is safer for them, for they still believe they can "steer" the outcome and control the backlash...

BUT...they are going against a time in history which we have not experienced for a very long time, which includes all the original DNA race memories in every soul, the experiences of many lifetimes also encoded in that DNA, plus several hundred years of very arrogant tyranny, which has escalated and is no longer stealth, but is flagrantly out in the open.

The laws of physics dictate that a "flash point" is inevitable, the 100th monkey showing up, as energy cannot be mocked or made to recess in the face of inertia. That inertia is afoot and we can all feel it. The message is going out into the very matrix, the very fabric of the universe, emanating from every heart and soul, and is amalgamating into it's inevitable birth.

The internet has been the great equalizer, the great accelerator, the great amalgamate, the great awakener, and when enough people have had enough, they hold enough cards to bring out all the truth into the light of day. Only through segregation has information appeared to be scattered and the dots appear not to connect. Let the white hats and the average Joe begin to speak, and all the dots will connect.

What kind of world we create when the energy coalesces and forms a new manifestation cannot be controlled by a small handful of alien psychopaths who use Satanic magic to control the matrix because the inertia of OUR synthesis will just be too strong. Their attempt at controlling both polarities for their synthesis is part of their dialectic, but is cannot be sustained when a remnant of say 20% of us wake up.

If they feel the time is now or forever lose their control, I say "bring it on". Even if 2 billion of us leave the planet and things get really ugly, the soul energy that will be in the matrix as these 2 billion souls exit will be impossible to control. Success is assured, no matter what they try. That's my belief and that is what I'm emanating and that's my story and I'm sticking to it, even if I am one of the ones who exits this incarnation. I'm not giving up on the dream, no matter what.

[jiminii]

the same web they created to take over with collapse on them ... I am finding right now people coming to me that have some of the highest Operating THetan abilities on the planet ,, and I am sure if I am constantly being audited from the future .. then they are too ... and they created their own brick wall .. when people see how obvious how nuts they are and see if they do anything to help them they will be losing there own jobs and their own prosperity they will not follow ,, they will not get a quick response any more ,, and by the time they do it will be too late ,, they are check mated and all the sleeper children will be spontaneously waking up .you don't know how powerful thought is .. a spirits space is so strong bullets can't enter it ... so all these thoughts ... will make walls as solid as steel .. and every direction they turn to will be a stop ... they are now rats in the corner and everyone see's them as rats ... and the best that they can get out of this is total insanity or suicide ... and they know it .. because they have to confront us now and they are cowards ...

THIS IS THE EVENT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR ... don't need to shrink your space ... just stand proud and let it happen

peace

him

[naste.de.lumina]

I may be naive here, but the question is Deep Web could not be a provisional or temporary way to hide attacks sites?
Since proceed with a connection, just find a cave.

[jiminii]

any kind of space opera they try to create will backfire on them ... there is enough truth now showing up everywhere ... the very fact that they will resist defeat will cause their own defeat .. the more they resist the more they will fall and harder ... those who are with us in the stars around the planet will not allow it ... we needed to get it to this point ... where they are now petrified at every move they make .. and all moves will be stopped and they will be gone forever in our lives ... it is like imagining you have this boil on your leg .. and you just squeeze that boil out of your body ... and what you are doing is basically "THEY ARE NOT IN MY UNIVERSE ANYMORE" .. and that statement alone puts them outside the game ... it is like when I say, "I never get sick" .. it is like I had all these little bumps appear on my hand .. and I just decided to move their Genetic Entities off my hand .. without a GE the physical creation can not survive ... next morning all the bumps are gone ... You have to decide "THEY ARE NOT IN OUR UNIVERSE ANYMORE" .. and everything they do will be like they are not here ... hahahahahah

I love it ... .. all the things I went for are coming to completion

jim

[Mike Gorman]

This reinforces, confirms and unfortunately illustrates what most of us have been feeling and thinking for a long spell; that big Pendulum is on its way back
in the deadly Arc of history. We have had the big 'Liberal' epoch, the party is definitely over-time to put away the party clothes maybe...I defy these assholes to
try and subjugate us-i think they are in for a rude shock, Bilderburg may be in progress-but there are a lot more people who are Hip to what is going down,
it won't be smooth sailing for them. I'm an optimist, but these times seem strangely familiar to me also-WWII had only been over 13 years when I was born, I recall
the legacy of it in the U.K, there were still Air Raid sirens set up. All the best of luck comrades!

[witchy1]

I started using this today on recommendation from an IT savvy guy.....does anyone have experience with it please spotflux.com
its meant to stop any threat to your identity and data (it has slowed me up a bit tho)
Thanks
Karen

[witchy1]

Oh this is why I looked for more protection - PRISM

It's the codename for a very real US government program. According to leaked documents, it went into effect in 2007, and has only gained momentum since. Its stated purpose is to monitor potentially valuable foreign communications that might pass through US servers, but it appears that in practice its scope was far greater.
So for 6 years they have been capturing this
email, VOIP, files on your computer, your photos, downloaded data,....effectively everything you do on line!

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18q0tdmsuklunjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

PRISM information, according to the Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html), accounts for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports. That's staggering.
...that gives the NSA unprecedented access to the servers of major tech companies...

Microsoft. Yahoo. Google. Facebook. PalTalk. AOL. Skype. YouTube. Apple. If you've interacted with any of those companies in the last six years, that information is vulnerable under PRISM.

Source: http://gizmodo.com/what-is-prism-511875267

Stomy has alternatives for us here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59855-Alternative-against-the-Prism-program--Microsoft-Yahoo-Google-...-

[northstar]

In my opinion, it always comes back to the internet.

If the internet can be co-opted and controlled, and "dangerous" alternative ideas from freethinking, sovereign people can be silenced, then the authoritarian control system (and their archon masters) will be able to fully domesticate us into a nice, compliant herd that can be controlled and farmed for energy.

A breaking story printed in the Guardian reveals the USA gov't plans to cyber-attack foreign threats, but of course these plans also include the the American people. Recent revelations that the everyday communications of common citizens in being collected should be utterly chilling to the American population. (the Verizon story). The first step to tyranny is the collecting of the data. The next step is what will be done with the data.

Obama orders US to draw up overseas target list for cyber-attacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/obama-china-targets-cyber-overseas)

Just in case anyone is still unclear on the implications of this watch the "Brave new World" movie, or better yet, read the "Brave New World" book by Aldous Huxley. If the world depicted in the movie is not the type of world you want to live in, then do something now while we still have the freedom to act.

[GoodETxSG]

Obama has done his best to weed out patriots from the Pentagon (Thinks he succeeded) but knows that not only National Guard but the vast majority of Regular Army/Marines will not follow orders to disarm and/or open fire on American Citizens. YES, there are plenty of damaged souls in the service that will and of course those are the people recruited by the DHS and Places like Black Water when they return.

What Obama had to do is circumvent the constitution and Posse Comitatus all together by building a Federal Private Military. They staffed the DHS/ICE and other agencies with hardened soldiers of the type mentioned before and bought enough beans and bullets for fight a 20 year war. I know you people are informed and know all of these details... and things are going to be very ugly. They have to do something desperate soon at the rate of emerging scandals and awakening public.

FIRST, they need to get a major false flag or reason to get a war started to get as many of our soldiers as possible OFF OF US SOIL! They do not want to have to deal with both current US Soldiers that will desert and turn on them and the many thousands of war hardened veterans that are now in every city in the US (Not to mention every gun owner and veterans of prior wars).

If this DHS does not pull off its false flag perfectly it will find its self under a Military Coup. Military insiders are watching this too... It will be one hell of a gamble but the Cartel/Corrupt Group that pulls the reigns of the DOJ and DHS are painted into a corner right now. There are more scandals about to come out yet there have been NO major resignations, firings or arrests...
IMHO

[jiminii]

what about cell phones ... I've seen some server software you can download for free ..onto android phones .. I haven't checked it out by I will and we can see if we can set up server stuff on cell phones ...

just an idea .. anyone know anything about this??

jim

[ThePythonicCow]

what about cell phones ... I've seen some server software you can download for free ..onto android phones .. I haven't checked it out by I will and we can see if we can set up server stuff on cell phones ...
There are local area networks, suitable for use in densely populated urban areas, which run on cell phones independent of the normal Internet Service Provider fabric.

Such might be an interesting topic if some member knows more about it, but is a bit too far off topic to discuss further in this present thread.

[Etherios]

In my opinion, it always comes back to the internet.

If the internet can be co-opted and controlled, and "dangerous" alternative ideas from freethinking, sovereign people can be silenced, then the authoritarian control system (and their archon masters) will be able to fully domesticate us into a nice, compliant herd that can be controlled and farmed for energy.


Well the internet is being controlled for years now ... people get different info from the internet that others. If you know and search for "conspiracy" theories you will get alot of info. If you havent searched for it in a very specific way then you will never see any info that will change your reality. Thus you have so many people that are controlled and manipulated to think ... /wave hand "move along, nothing to see here".

News and web searches are controlled to the point that you will never find anything out of the ordinary if you dont look for it. You can all test this by your selves. Go to a friends house that isnt following the important topics and use his PC to search what you normaly search at home, not specific topic general topic. You will be amazed at how little you will find ... The internet atm is twisted and manipulated to keep the majority of the people occupied with games and trash news and stop them from actually seeing reality.

I call the above a controlled internet. It maintains a huge % of people where they want ... so its a success.

p.s. this includes highly educated people ...

[turiya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIhSqN_wx6I

[gripreaper]

The original organic Constitution of "these United states" is fully abrogated, and all of us are indentured into the statutory system of regulations, by adhesion and acquiescence. Under Admiralty, we are "assumed dead" after 7 years lost at sea, and our voice is not heard, no matter what we say or do. The Corporate UNITED STATES is held within the 10 square miles of Washington DC, is NOT subject to, or in any way connected to the original organic states, and is the trustee for the bankruptcy of this country.

This bankruptcy keeps us in a perpetual state of emergency, which has been in place since the mid eighteen hundreds. The country has been divided into military districts via the Zip Code mailing system, and all mandates are executive and handed down from the beneficiaries of the Cestui Que Vie trusts held by the creditors. Only the interests of these creditors is even considered.

These conditions have been implemented and put in place over the last 200 years, and began at the very beginning of the formation of this country. HALF of the delegates in Philadelphia were agents of the Crown, died in the wool Masons, and they wrote the Constitution for themselves and their posterity, not us. It wasn't until a handful of delegates demanded the "Bill of Rights" be attached, that we indentured slaves got any type of humanity that followed.

Follow the trail back further and you realize the Crown is an agent of the Vatican, and the original trusts were put in place in 1666. ALL of the resources of this planet are held in this trust, and all human souls were also placed in trust to the Vatican. These trusts have never been rebutted or challenged.

So, when you wonder who these nefarious entities are who have put in place this system, they have been at it a long time. Go back even further and you have the Egyptian Pharaoh's, then Sumeria and Babylon, and even as far back as Atlantis. These aliens have been around a long time and got their gig pretty well locked down. How do you go up against an agenda which spans thousands of years, is so intimately coordinated and implemented, and is so thorough?

You can't if you are looking at current events and the current systems. They control both sides of the dialectic. Changes have to occur within, for it is only the emanations of energy from your field which can change the universal quantum field. This is the biggest held secret which controls manifestation. Look at the amount of propaganda being used to teach people that they are powerless, that they live in a finite universe of scarcity, that things will be good for them if they just "go along to get along" and then, guess what? Your reward will be great in heaven because suffering is inherent here on earth and those who suffer are the one's who deserve and will get the most rewards. What bullsh!t.

So go back to sleep...nothing to see here. Just grab yourself a beer, watch the football game, make sure your significant other is sexy and provocative, and the two of you don't let any of that life force energy arise...be sure and just sexualize it and discharge it. We don't want any of you waking up, grounding your energy, generating, preserving, amplifying, focusing, and emanating your life force in any intention which goes against our agenda, or recognizing your power, rewiring the synapses in your brain, decalcifying your Pineal gland, or accessing the higher centers of the throat and third eye...because...

THAT would be fatal to us so we cannot have that! So, the answer is to use the same tricks the elite use, except not in the fashion of ritual black magic, where energy is vampired from others sacrificially, but by learning to live righteously (right use of energy).

[naste.de.lumina]

Hey gripreaper.
I liked this energy, I am with you in this battle.
Amen.:thumb:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

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To share my thoughts: if I was a high-level DHS strategic planner, I would now be considering a very major, dramatic, and emotionally traumatic false flag event within the US in order to justify the big clampdown with the minimum of objection or protest.

False flag operations are the most effective tool the cabal has to manipulate the public. False flag ops can easily interrupt the supply of food and clean water.

Can we imagine how much freedom a parent is willing to give up in exchange for promises of food and clean water to feed a starving or sick child?

Sharing information about the cabal is most useful when it motivates people to action. And the most effective action to avoid manipulation is to have a finely tuned BS :bs: detector, great intuition, stored food :hungry: and a plan to access clean water.

Even if the false flags are not initiated, considering that hyper-inflation is on its way, stocking up on food may be one of the best possible of all investments.

[kcbc2010]

Just an observation:

I find the timing on this interesting because all this stuff is coming out just before the beginning of summer vacation for the kiddos. Most Americans are gearing up for summer and aren't paying attention. There's just a lot going on for most families.

[Snookie]

The original organic Constitution of "these United states" is fully abrogated, and all of us are indentured into the statutory system of regulations, by adhesion and acquiescence. Under Admiralty, we are "assumed dead" after 7 years lost at sea, and our voice is not heard, no matter what we say or do. The Corporate UNITED STATES is held within the 10 square miles of Washington DC, is NOT subject to, or in any way connected to the original organic states, and is the trustee for the bankruptcy of this country.

This bankruptcy keeps us in a perpetual state of emergency, which has been in place since the mid eighteen hundreds. The country has been divided into military districts via the Zip Code mailing system, and all mandates are executive and handed down from the beneficiaries of the Cestui Que Vie trusts held by the creditors. Only the interests of these creditors is even considered.

These conditions have been implemented and put in place over the last 200 years, and began at the very beginning of the formation of this country. HALF of the delegates in Philadelphia were agents of the Crown, died in the wool Masons, and they wrote the Constitution for themselves and their posterity, not us. It wasn't until a handful of delegates demanded the "Bill of Rights" be attached, that we indentured slaves got any type of humanity that followed.

Follow the trail back further and you realize the Crown is an agent of the Vatican, and the original trusts were put in place in 1666. ALL of the resources of this planet are held in this trust, and all human souls were also placed in trust to the Vatican. These trusts have never been rebutted or challenged.

So, when you wonder who these nefarious entities are who have put in place this system, they have been at it a long time. Go back even further and you have the Egyptian Pharaoh's, then Sumeria and Babylon, and even as far back as Atlantis. These aliens have been around a long time and got their gig pretty well locked down. How do you go up against an agenda which spans thousands of years, is so intimately coordinated and implemented, and is so thorough?

You can't if you are looking at current events and the current systems. They control both sides of the dialectic. Changes have to occur within, for it is only the emanations of energy from your field which can change the universal quantum field. This is the biggest held secret which controls manifestation. Look at the amount of propaganda being used to teach people that they are powerless, that they live in a finite universe of scarcity, that things will be good for them if they just "go along to get along" and then, guess what? Your reward will be great in heaven because suffering is inherent here on earth and those who suffer are the one's who deserve and will get the most rewards. What bullsh!t.

So go back to sleep...nothing to see here. Just grab yourself a beer, watch the football game, make sure your significant other is sexy and provocative, and the two of you don't let any of that life force energy arise...be sure and just sexualize it and discharge it. We don't want any of you waking up, grounding your energy, generating, preserving, amplifying, focusing, and emanating your life force in any intention which goes against our agenda, or recognizing your power, rewiring the synapses in your brain, decalcifying your Pineal gland, or accessing the higher centers of the throat and third eye...because...

THAT would be fatal to us so we cannot have that! So, the answer is to use the same tricks the elite use, except not in the fashion of ritual black magic, where energy is vampired from others sacrificially, but by learning to live righteously (right use of energy).

Excellent summation!

Even though I think these physco's will try a bunch of FF's all over the place, they will not ultimately win the war this time around. I think there have been a lot of people, many who are not even aware of it yet, who have volunteered to come and change the energies and vibrations of the people & planet and to wake us up.

[jackovesk]

By Douglas J. Hagmann


“Everyone needs to reflect on the United States having become obsessed with national security, even to the extent of gutting our Bill of Rights and turning the country into a “surveillance society”. It is long past time that serious consideration be given to dismantling DHS and returning the organization of our government to its far saner past.”–Jim Fetzer


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[Editor's note: While I would like to believe that Douglas Hagmann is exaggerating, all the evidence is against it. From my point of view, it is astounding that the major media has said nary a peep about the report of the subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Intelligence, which was released on 3 October 2012.

After a review of 680 "fusion center" reports from 2009-2010, they found NO INDICATIONS OF ANY DOMESTIC TERRORIST THREAT, as I have reported here at Veterans Today. NONE! ZILCH! NADA! NOT ONE!

That none of the major networks--ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, or MSNBC--has said a word about this tells me that the government's control of the media is complete and comprehensive and that these seemingly interminable attacks at Sandy Hook, Boston and now Santa Monica are intended to create the FALSE IMPRESSION that we have a serious problem with domestic terrorism. Well, we do have a serious problem, but it lies in another direction, as Douglas Hagmann explains.]

DHS insider: It’s about to get VERY UGLY!

by Douglas Hagmann

7 June 2013:

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Washington, D.C.—Something quite unexpected happened just hours ago, in the dark of night, during a two-day layover in Washington, DC. My son and I are scheduled to take part in a seminar outside of Raleigh, North Carolina this weekend, so we combined our travels to include a side-trip to DC for a business meeting we had previously arranged. It was during this layover that something seemingly ripped from the pages of a spy novel took place.

While I was in the middle of a perfectly good and well needed sleep in the very early hours of this morning, I received a message. I cannot disclose how I received this message, at least not now. The discerning reader will understand why, which, by the way, would make a very interesting story alone. The message was extremely clear and precise. I was to meet my high level DHS insider at a very specific location in Washington, DC at a time when most “normal” people, except third-shift workers are still asleep. And, I was to come alone and make certain that I was not being followed, and I was to leave any cell phone or electronic device behind.

Seriously? I thought, as I was still trying to make sense of it all. Is all this really necessary? Is this really happening? I considered waking my son to accompany me, but opted to follow the instructions to the letter. Besides, I thought, he?s not the most affable middle-of-the-night person. I left a hastily written but detailed note in my hotel room before my departure in the event something happened. I looked at the digital clock on my rental car (my personal car would never survive our long distance trip). It was 3:20 a.m.

The meeting

I felt like I was part of a spy movie set in our nation’s capital. A chill rose up my spine as I waited in the dark of a chilly, misty and foggy pre-dawn morning. I was to meet with my DHS insider source at a time when most of the nation is asleep, at a place I could swear was featured in the movie All the President?s Men. No one and I mean no one knows I’m here, I thought, as I could see one of the most recognizable national landmarks in the distance.

My source appeared out of nowhere, or so it seemed, and handed me a cup of coffee with the astute observation that I looked like I needed it. So tell me, I asked impatiently, why do we have to meet at this time, at this location, and under such specific circumstances? “Because this might be our last meeting,” he stated.

Maybe it was the lack of sleep, the time, the place, or the chill of the misty rain that caused my sense of foreboding. “Explain,” I asked in an almost demanding tone. So he did, without mincing words.

The details

“If anyone thinks that what’s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they’re delusional. If people think that this ‘scandal’ can’t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ‘policy and practice’ in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what’s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ?betrayal.? That?s what they call it, ‘betrayal.’ Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ‘betrayal,’” he said.

“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.

What does it mean?

“What’s that exactly mean, being on that list, that is,” I asked, trying to make sense of it all.

“It means that there will be censorship under the color of authority of anyone in the U.S. who is attempting to expose what’s going on in our name. It’s about controlling any damning information from reaching epidemic proportions. It’s damage control to the extreme. It’s about the upcoming censorship of the internet in the name of national security. The plans are already in place. These latest reports about ‘spying eyes’ have turned this administration and others connected to it into something very, very dangerous. They feel cornered and threatened, and I’m hearing about some plans they have to shut down the flow of information that is implicating them of wrongdoing. Time is short,” he stated.

“How are they going to do this? How is it even possible?” I asked.

“First, they intend to use the Justice Department to silence journalists like in the Rosen case, but they won’t stop there. They will use a host of national security policies, laws, letters, whatever to take out the bigger threats,” he stated.

“Next, they will use some sort of excuse, an external threat, and I believe it will be a combination of the economic collapse and a Mid-East war that will begin in Syria to throttle the information that is accessible on the Internet. And you know what? People will believe it!”

“Based on what I’ve seen, most of which I should not have seen, the DHS is co-ordinating efforts with other federal agencies to begin to threaten American citizens with incarceration for non-compliance. You know the old talk of color coded lists? Well, this is what they will be using. People exposing the truth about Benghazi, killing the U.S. Dollar, even those questioning Obama’s legal status and eligibility to be President are the current targets. And they’ve had five long years to get to this point. The ugly truth is that these policies and practices did not start under Obama, but long before. This is about the killing of our Constitutional Republic. The murder of our country and the stripping of our rights. While many have been preoccupied with one issue, few have seen the bigger issue. This is the ‘end game,’ for all the marbles,” he stated.

More to come

“Please,” pleaded my source, “get this information out while you can. Tell people what I?m saying, that we don’t have much time, that after the latest exposure of spying, Obama, Jarrett, Axelrod, and others, including members of Congress, have put their plans into high gear. This is about the Marxist [Editor's note: Fascistic] takeover of America. This is about our country being able to survive another July 4th holiday. This is about a world war about to break out that will kill millions of people, all because of the agenda of this administration.”

“They are very dangerous and will do anything and everything to stop the onslaught of negative information that?s being reported by the main stream media. But only about one quarter of the real information is being reported. The other three quarters will be the game changer. But first, tell people what I’ve said. Let them know that more will follow but get this information out right now while the internet is still relatively free. Do it today.”

My source provided additional information, but I am abiding by his wish to get this much out. I am writing now to let people know that we are in for seriously dangerous times ahead. Deadly times. War, and censorship under the color of authority and under the pretext of of national security. It’s about to get a lot uglier. Stay tuned.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/09/dhs-insider-its-about-to-get-very-ugly/

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55749

[Muzz]

Threads merged. :)

[jackovesk]

US senators demand 'Traitor' NSA whistleblower be extradited from Hong Kong to face trial in America after he reveals why he exposed online spy scandal

9th June, 2013


Edward Snowden, a former CIA technical assistant, has fled to Hong Kong
He wants Hong Kong's free speech laws to save him from extradition
Leaked details of Prism, which he says harvests personal data from web
'What they're doing (poses) a threat to democracy,' Snowden says
Spies at GCHQ in UK accused of using it, bypassing British legal checks
William Hague to give statement to Commons on alleged links to Prism


U.S. National Intelligence director says surveillance keeps America safe
Defense contractor employer of Edward Snowden says leaks are 'shocking'

By Ian Drury and Martin Robinson

PUBLISHED: 19:09 GMT, 9 June 2013 |

US politicians demanded America's most wanted man be tried for treason today, hours after he broke cover to reveal why he decided to leak documents from one of the world’s most notorious spy organisations.

Former CIA worker Edward Snowden fled the US to a Hong Kong hideaway after triggering shockwaves across the globe by handing over top-secret files from the US National Security Agency (NSA).

The first call for Snowden's prosecution came from Republican Peter King, chairman of a House Homeland Security subcommittee and a member of the Intelligence Committee, who claimed he 'had done extreme damage to the US and to our intelligence operations.'

'If Edward Snowden did in fact leak the NSA data as he claims, the United States government must prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law and begin extradition proceedings at the earliest date,' King said in a written statement. 'The United States must make it clear that no country should be granting this individual asylum. This is a matter of extraordinary consequence to American intelligence.'

Former UN Ambassador John Bolton told a US radio station he thinks Snowden is guilty of treason:

In a passionate tirade on WLS, Mr Bolton said: 'Number one, this man is a liar. He took an oath to keep the secrets that were shared with him so he could do his job.

'Number two, he lied because he thinks he's smarter and has a higher morality than the rest of us... that he can see clearer than other 299-million 999-thousand 999 of us, and therefore he can do what he wants. I say that is the worst form of treason.'

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Backlash: Republican Peter King, left, said Snowden 'has done extreme damage to the US and to our intelligence operations', while former UN Ambassador John Bolton, right, said it was the 'worst form of treason'

The 29-year-old whistleblower, who earned £130,000 a year ($200,000), exposed chilling details of how the covert agency, based in Maryland, gathers private information from people around the world – including in Britain – using a programme called Prism.

Revealing why he blew the whistle he said: 'I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.'

The Prism system gives officials easy access to data held by nine of the world’s top internet companies, including Google, Facebook, Microsoft and Skype.

More...

NSA phone spying program FOILED plan to blow up New York City subway, claim under fire security officials

Revealed: Google and Facebook DID allow NSA access to data and were in talks to set up 'spying rooms' despite denials by Zuckerberg and Page over PRISM project

Mr Snowden, who is currently hiding in Hong Kong, acted after becoming convinced the US government’s bid to harvest personal information from millions of individuals was a ‘threat to democracy’.


And he described how he fears he will be kidnapped and returned to America to face espionage charges and possible life in prison – or even MURDERED on Washington’s orders.


'I do not expect to see home again,' he said.

Mr Snowden could face decades in jail if he is extradited from Hong Kong, said Mark Zaid, a lawyer who represents whistleblowers. And Senator Peter King, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, called for Mr Snowden to be ‘extradited from Hong Kong immediately . . . and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law’. He added: ‘I believe the leaker has done extreme damage to the US and to our intelligence operations.’

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Empty and on the market: Edward Snowden's former home in Waipahu, Hawaii, which he fled last month for Hong Kong so he could leak details about the U.S. government's secret surveillance programs

Secrets: A neighbour said today that the garage at the home had boxes stacked floor to ceiling when Snowden was planning his escape

Mr Snowden spoke to The Guardian and Washington Post newspapers from a hotel room in Hong Kong where he is on the run after making one of the most significant leaks in US history – on a par with Wiki-Leaks whistleblower Bradley Manning.

He said he would ‘ask for asylum from any countries that believe in free speech and oppose the victimisation of global privacy’.

Mr Snowden had been working at the NSA for the past four years as an employee of defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton after working for the CIA as a technical assistant, specialising in computer security. His role allowed him access to classified material.

And today Booz Allen branded his alleged actions 'shocking', promising to conduct a full investigation into the matter.

In a statement, the firm said: 'Edward Snowden, 29, has been an employee of our firm for less than three months, assigned to a team in Hawaii.

'News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm. We will work closely with our clients and authorities in their investigation of this matter.'

However, Snowden said he had raised his concerns with his superiors, but had been ignored.

He said: ‘I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong. I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions but I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant.

‘My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them.

'What they're doing (poses) an existential threat to democracy,' he added.

Meanwhile a top Hong Kong politician today urged Snowden to leave the city and face justice.
Video interview courtesy of Glenn Greernwald and Laura Poitras at The Guardian

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Message: 'I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world,' Edward Snowden says

Regina Ip, formerly the city's top official overseeing security, told reporters the city's administration was 'obliged to comply with the terms of agreements' with the US government, which included the extradition of fugitives.

'It's actually in his best interest to leave Hong Kong,' she said, adding that she did not know whether the government had yet received an extradition request. 'I doubt it will happen so quickly,' she added.

Damagingly for the British security services at GCHQ, Snowden claims that they compiled dossiers using Prism research on almost 200 occasions.

Foreign Secretary William Hague will give a statement to the Commons on the issue this afternoon.

Tory Sir Malcolm Rifkind, chairman of the committee of MPs and peers which oversees the work of the security services, said GCHQ would need authority for any request to monitor the emails of a UK citizen, even if the surveillance was carried out by the US agencies.

Sir Malcolm told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'One of the big questions that's being asked is if British intelligence agencies want to seek to know the content of emails, can they get round the normal law in the UK by simply asking an American agency to provide that information?

'The law is actually quite clear: if the British intelligence agencies are seeking to know the content of emails by people living in the UK, then they actually have to get lawful authority. Normally that means ministerial authority.'

Sir Malcolm's Intelligence and Security Committee will carry out a visit to Washington this week to meet representatives from the CIA and NSA, which was arranged before the Prism disclosures.

The former foreign secretary said it was 'perfectly well known' that 'in order to protect the public that does require, as President Obama said in Washington, some intrusion on privacy in certain circumstances'.

Shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander told Today it was 'vital' that the public had confidence that the security and intelligence services were 'operating within a framework of accountability and legality'.

He said Mr Hague 'does need to seek to give assurances to Parliament about the laws and procedures that are in place, in particular in relation to our vital information-sharing relationship with the United States'.

Mr Alexander said: 'Of course we want information sharing. The people who want to do harm to the UK operate internationally and those who are trying to keep us safe need to operate internationally as well.

'But on the other hand, in terms of the character and the nature and the timing of the requests that are made by the UK to the US, potentially involving UK citizens as well as international citizens, that needs to be conducted on the basis of the legal framework set out by Parliament.'

US security chief, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, has launched an aggressive defense of a secret government data collection program.

Clapper blasted what he called 'reckless disclosures' of the highly classified spy agency project code-named PRISM by Snowden.

'Over the last week we have seen reckless disclosures of intelligence community measures used to keep Americans safe,' he said.

Snowden's decision to flee to Hong Kong is a gamble, but its free speech laws mean he does have a slim chance of avoiding being swept back to America.

Hong Kong signed an extradition treaty with the United States in 1997, just before Britain handed it back to China.

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Row: A security guard stands outside the US consulate in Hong Kong today, where inside officials will be trying to extradite Snowden back to the United States

In it both agreed to send fugitives back and forth in the majority of cases, but there were also political exemptions negotiated at the time.

Hong Kong has the 'right of refusal when surrender implicates the "defense, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy'' of the People's Republic of China'.

China itself has no extradition treaty with America at all.

Hong Kong officials also have the right to say no to extradition if they believe that the attempt is 'politically motivated'. This means that they will protect free speech if a person is being arrested just for their political opinions.

The United States may have already approached Interpol or its consulate in Hong Kong to start proceedings. They will use the Espionage Act to gain warrants for his arrest.

Hong Kong’s authorities can hold Snowden for 60 days, following a U.S. request that includes probable cause, while Washington prepares a formal extradition request.

Explaining why he chose to go there Snowden, whose exact location in the city remains a mystery, said : 'Mainland China does have significant restrictions on free speech but the people of Hong Kong have a long tradition of protesting in the streets, making their views known.

'I believe that the Hong Kong government is actually independent in relation to a lot of other leading Western governments'.

But in recent years several people have been extradited to the United States for a variety of alleged crimes, and there is only one case where they refused.

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Defensive: Director of National Intelligence James R Clapper said in a statement Saturday that disclosures on intelligence gathering practices were 'reckless'

Mr Snowden has said he was content to sever his ‘very comfortable life’, which included a six-figure salary, a girlfriend, a home in Hawaii and his family, to shine a light on the NSA’s widening surveillance net.

He said: ‘I’m willing to sacrifice all of that because I can’t in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.’
NSA chiefs were ‘intent on making every conversation and every form of behaviour in the world known to them,’ he said.

‘I don’t want to live in a world where there’s no privacy and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity. The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to.’

A Hawaii real estate agent said on Sunday that Snowden and his girlfriend moved out of their home in a quiet neighborhood near Honolulu on May 1, leaving nothing behind.

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Informant: The Director of National Intelligence James R Clapper, left, released a statement on PRISM, which is reported to have been used to gather information from the servers of companies like Facebook

Century 21 real estate agent Kerri Jo Heim said that the owner of the house wanted the couple out so that the home could be sold.

Heim says police came by on Wednesday to ask where the couple went. She told them she didn't know.

Carolyn Tijing, who lived across the street from Snowden, says the couple had moving boxes lining their garage from floor to ceiling before leaving the neighborhood suddenly.

According to The Guardian, Snowden copied the final set of documents he intended to disclose three weeks ago.

He then told his boss and his girlfriend that he'd be away for a few weeks, keeping the reasons vague as only someone working in intelligence can, and on May 20, he boarded a plane to Hong Kong, where he remains in hiding.

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'Necessary': The top intelligence official, James R Clapper, said the NSA's intelligence measures, carried out at sites like this one in Maryland, were 'used to keep Americans safe'

He said the former UK colony, now part of China, would resist any demands from the White House.

He believes the US could begin extradition proceedings and he might be bundled on to a plane bound for the States – and certain imprisonment – or that he could be killed. He also thinks the Chinese government might seize him.

Before making the leak three weeks ago, he told bosses he needed time off and his girlfriend that he was going away for work.

Since arriving in Hong Kong he has left his hotel room just three times, but his location remains a mystery.

The high level security clearance sparked his concern for the intense surveillance the NSA was carrying out among millions of Americans and hundreds of millions across the world.

He told The Guardian of one incident where CIA operatives got a Swiss banker drunk in an effort to recruit him as an informant to obtain secret banking information.

He said they encouraged him to drive home intoxicated and when he was arrested for DUI, the undercover agents offered to help, managing to recruit the banker on the back of the favour.

Snowden said this and other things he witnessed in Geneva disillusioned him about how his government worked and how this in turn impacted the world.

'I realized that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good,' he said.

He said he was disappointed President Obama advanced the policies he was hoping the newly elected President was stamp out and that 'hardened' him.

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Hide out: Snowden boarded a plane to Hong Kong, pictured, on May 20, to try to claim asylum

No longer could he wait around for someone else to act, and after spending three years learning just how 'intent' the NSA was at making every conversation and behavior in the world known to them he took the leap.

According to Snowden, he carefully evaluated every document he disclosed to ensure it was legitimately in the public interest.

'There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over, because harming people isn't my goal. Transparency is,' he said.

Given the Obama administration's track record at prosecuting whistle-blowers, he fully expects to get the same treatment. But he insists he is not afraid of what lies ahead because 'this is the choice I've made,' he told The Guardian.

According to the newspaper, he broke down just once during the series of interviews, when he was discussing the impact his actions would have on his family, many of whom work in government agencies or departments. He said these fears for his family's welfare kept him up at night.

Snowden's ability to get to the center of the NSA is impressive given he attended community college in Maryland, where his family relocated when he was a teen, to obtain his high school diploma but dropped out before completing.

In 2003, he enlisted in the army and began a training program to join the Special Forces, explaining to The Guardian that he wanted to fight in the Iraq war because he felt he had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression - the same reason he is giving to justify his leaks.

But he broke both his legs in a training accident and was discharged.

He got his first NSA job working as a security guard at one of the agency's facilities at the University of Maryland before moving to the CIA to work on IT security. There, he rose quickly.

He was given more and more access to top-secret documents as he climbed the ranks. Then in 2007, the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland, where he was responsible for maintaining computer network security and privy to more secrets than ever before.

Snowden has good reason to be concerned. The NSA - the most powerful and secretive organization in the world - is hunting him down, having visited his home in Hawaii twice and already contacted his girlfriend.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338534/Edward-Snowden-speaks-NSA-contractor-leaked-details-surveillance-scheme-reveals-himself.html?ICO=most_read_module

PS - Bolton and his malevolent Cronies have had this coming for years...

All you Crooked Bastards are going to have to MURDER a lot of people if you want to stay out of Jail yourselves..!!!

Looks like ya (ALL) gonna get what-sa-comin to ya NOW...!!!

[RMorgan]

Well, interesting report.

However, I really can´t understand why people insist in labeling the US administration as Marxist. Honestly, it doesn´t make any sense.

I guess Americans are still brainwashed by cold war ideologies, so when they say Socialism or Marxism, they just mean something bad...They automatically connect Marxism with Authoritarianism, which is simple and pure and utter ignorance.

Even guys like Alex Jones insist in throwing the "socialism" card all the time, strangely and commonly coupled with the "nazi" card, which are completely and absolutely different things; Socialism is extreme left wing, while Nazism is extreme right wing.

It´s quite common to see opinion leaders such as Jones labeling, as an example, Obama as Communist and Nazi at the same time, which is laughable..."Obama is a Nazi!" "Obama is a Communist!"...Come on! Make up your mind! lol

So yes, America is going in the direction of an Authoritarian regime. Does it mean it´s becoming Marxist? Not at all. Far from it.

On the contrary, there´s simply no signs that America is going in the Marxist direction; The US is completely Capitalist; It´s the most Capitalist country in the whole world!

Fascism (do not confuse with Nazism), on the other hand, fits the current US situation much better, though. Remember that National Socialism (Nazism, Fascism) is completely different from Marxist Socialism, ok?

You know, it´s funny how apparently cultured persons, like Alex Jones, Doug Hagmann and his DHS insider can make such crude misconceptions...Makes me wonder a lot of things.

The way I see it, the US most likely could fit into the Authoritarian State Capitalism model, which isn´t Nazism nor Socialism, but could be close to Fascism.

So, when this "insider" says "This is about the Marxist takeover of America", he´s either very confused or he simply doesn´t have any idea of what he´s talking about... I imagine a high level inside source would know enough about social-economical-political systems to avoid making such crude mistakes.

Raf.

[Fred Steeves]

This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.


Interesting how he mentions MSNBC, as I watch their morning show "Morning Joe" every day for just that reason. With people like co-host Mika Brzenzinsky (Zbigniew's daughter), and regular guests like CFR head Richard Haass, it's consistently an establishment propaganda puppet show.

Suddenly now, even THEY are bringing this stuff to light (which really makes me wonder why), by doing things like interviewing Glenn Greenwald of "The Guardian" this morning. And actually letting him speak...Tell you what, this guy knows his s***, and he left Mika and Richard Haass squirming.

CGt_i_iVSrM

What was even more jaw dropping, was that in the subsequent segment they were talking about America's few top elites gaining more and more power, and even mentioned the CIA's Skull & Bones history of all things. I almost fell out of my chair (LOL), and was like: "Really? What are they going to discuss next, Project Paperclip or Operation Gladio?"

[mountain_jim]

I have been reading Greenwald since he first started his self-published blog site Unclaimed Territory in early 2000's. He does know his stuff, and his columns, books, and speeches have always been extensively researched.

Usually the MSM have used his work without crediting him. It's no surprise to me that someone focusing in this space, as Snowden was, would pick him to be a point-man for releasing this stuff.

[ghostrider]

I had a thought, what if the NSA let this guy release spying info on purpose, to fan the flames and get the public in an uproar... ? I mean they are the NSA and one of their own leaks files right under their nose ??? and is still alive and has done interviews ??? they jam Kerry's signal all the time and this guy does interviews that go on without a hitch ??? there are no accidents ... when CNN covers it , it's part of the program not news , everything is scripted ...

[T Smith]

Well, interesting report.

However, I really can´t understand why people insist in labeling the US administration as Marxist. Honestly, it doesn´t make any sense.

I guess Americans are still brainwashed by cold war ideologies, so when they say Socialism or Marxism, they just mean something bad...They automatically connect Marxism with Authoritarianism, which is simple and pure and utter ignorance.

Even guys like Alex Jones insist in throwing the "socialism" card all the time, strangely and commonly coupled with the "nazi" card, which are completely and absolutely different things; Socialism is extreme left wing, while Nazism is extreme right wing.

It´s quite common to see opinion leaders such as Jones labeling, as an example, Obama as Communist and Nazi at the same time, which is laughable..."Obama is a Nazi!" "Obama is a Communist!"...Come on! Make up your mind! lol

So yes, America is going in the direction of an Authoritarian regime. Does it mean it´s becoming Marxist? Not at all. Far from it.

On the contrary, there´s simply no signs that America is going in the Marxist direction; The US is completely Capitalist; It´s the most Capitalist country in the whole world!

Fascism (do not confuse with Nazism), on the other hand, fits the current US situation much better, though. Remember that National Socialism (Nazism, Fascism) is completely different from Marxist Socialism, ok?

You know, it´s funny how apparently cultured persons, like Alex Jones, Doug Hagmann and his DHS insider can make such crude misconceptions...Makes me wonder a lot of things.

The way I see it, the US most likely could fit into the Authoritarian State Capitalism model, which isn´t Nazism nor Socialism, but could be close to Fascism.

So, when this "insider" says "This is about the Marxist takeover of America", he´s either very confused or he simply doesn´t have any idea of what he´s talking about... I imagine a high level inside source would know enough about social-political systems to avoid making such crude mistakes.

Raf.

In my humble opinion, the United States is not more like fascism, it is fascism. Were he alive today, Benito Mussolini, who coined the term, would be hard pressed to find a better example of fascism than the governmental power structure (not to be confused with the "official government") of the United States of America. I'm a little confused, however, by your assertion that the United States is completely capitalist though. Capitalism means so many things and in so many different contexts, it's hard to get on the same page in discussion with like minded and people of differing opinions alike. What is capitalism anyway? I don't view the United States as the most capitalist country in the world, but I may understand capitalism different from the way you're employing the term. The United States is an oligarchy, a form of profiteering cartelism, with ceremonial and ritualistic government structures that provide very little, if any, to the overarching power structure. It is a model of organized crime based on capitalist principals, but those principals only apply to the cartel, and actually, only on the profit side of the equation. Losses of the cartel are socialized by the plebs while profits are privatized. I'm not sure how this exactly equates to capitalism, as I understand the term.

I don't mean to suggest you are wrong about your observations, but it would be helpful to me to discard the narrow confines of the various linguistic boxes that are foisted upon us when we discuss these things.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

the men in suits are marching ..

look for the enlarged first and second knuckle .. thats them

N

[RMorgan]

In my humble opinion, the United States is not more like fascism, it is fascism. Were he alive today, Benito Mussolini, who coined the term, would be hard pressed to find a better example of fascism than the governmental power structure (not to be confused with the "official government") of the United States of America. I'm a little confused, however, by your assertion that the United States is completely capitalist though. Capitalism means so many things and in so many different contexts, it's hard to get on the same page in discussion with like minded and people of differing opinions alike. What is capitalism anyway? I don't view the United States as the most capitalist country in the world, but I may understand capitalism different from the way you're employing the term. The United States is an oligarchy, a form of profiteering cartelism, with ceremonial and ritualistic government structures that provide very little, if any, to the overarching power structure. It is a model of organized crime based on capitalist principals, but those principals only apply to the cartel, and actually, only on the profit side of the equation. Losses of the cartel are socialized by the plebs while profits are privatized. I'm not sure how this exactly equates to capitalism, as I understand the term.

I don't mean to suggest you are wrong about your observations, but it would be helpful to me to discard the narrow confines of the various linguistic boxes that are foisted upon us when we discuss these things.

Hey brother,

Not meaning to derail the thread, but if Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, with the goal of making a profit, the US can be considered the biggest example of it.

Now, if we are going to discuss what version of Capitalism the US is currently applying, then it´s another story; Could be Corporate Capitalism, which is basically a mixed market economy characterized by the dominance of corporations and where government policy is used to benefit and promote the interests of dominant or established corporations, shielding them from competitive pressures, providing them with subsidies, etc...

The above label fits an economic system designation. Several social-political labels could come before it, like, as an example, Democratic, Totalitarian, etc...

Anyway, I was just pointing that I´m baffled with the fact that several apparently cultured opinion leader insists in making the mistake of saying that Obama and the US administration as a whole is Marxist or Communist. They couldn´t be more wrong about that.

This is not about linguistic boxes; It´s about terrible misconceptions; A person who confuses the US state policy with Marxism, has absolutely no means to make any form of educated speculation about future trends in economics and politics.

Raf.

[Flash]

What about fascism instead of Marxism (for which I agree with you) R Morgan?

[RMorgan]

What about fascism instead of Marxism (for which I agree with you) R Morgan?

Hey Flash,

Well, the way I see it, the US government is not going to pick previously used ideologies, but rather create something new.

It could be close to fascism, since fascism is an authoritarian system, but not quite like it.

The way I interpret the current trend, it differs from fascism in one important point. In fascism, the state is the absolute central authority, while in the US, the central authority is a mix between state and private entities.

I´d risk to say that future trends indicate that the US government will have no authority at all; Private companies will have it instead, making it the first country in the world ruled by an 100% private totalitarian government.

We know something like that is already taking place, but unofficially. Private corporations actually run the US, each of them buying their state representatives and using them as pawns.

At some point, probably they´ll make it official, applying an authoritarian private governance system, first in the US, then expanding globally.

You see, those guys, the so called elite, are very smart and practical. Running the world in secret using official authorities as pawns has a lot of limitations.

State authorities are extremely expensive, inefficient, slow and bureaucratic; If they want to proceed with their global dominance plan, at some point, they will have to eliminate public governance altogether.

So, to sum up, I believe we can expect something quite new, but as much radical as fascism, in terms of lack of personal freedom and civil rights.

Raf.

[jackovesk]

Doug Hagmann: "Plan To Shut Down Internet Is In Place & Ready To Go - Will Occur In Conjunction With A Major False-Flag" [Pete Shamshilli Show]

Tuesday, June 11, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnaZOWtYKzs&feature=player_embedded

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://stevequay​le.com/ind​ex.php?s=3​3&d=42​7






Hagmann unhurt after law enforcement incident

Earlier today, a report was posted that Doug Hagmann, host of The Hagmann & Hagmann Report was involved in an altercation with armed authorities while driving on a city street early this morning. As reported, he suddenly and inexplicably found himself surrounded by police SUV vehicles and a cadre of police officers treating him as if he was a terrorist threat. That incident was indeed accurate as initially reported, but was temporarily removed at his request until further details could be provided.

After obtaining additional details of the incident, it was determined that this incident was not directly related to the journalistic work he has been performing, or the active NSA surveillance he has experienced. Investigation ultimately determined that the incident originated from a false complaint filed with a law enforcement agency by an individual familiar with Doug Hagmann’s work and positive reputation. It was an attempt, in part, to harm his reputation as well as take him away from his investigative work.



Following some tense moments, the incident involving Doug Hagmann has been cleared and he escaped from this drama unhurt. Nonetheless, some very sensitive issues related to this incident are currently in play and have yet to be fully resolved. Accordingly, Doug Hagmann asked that any further release of information be limited until these issues can be resolved for the safety and security of him and his family. Doug Hagmann expects to be able to talk more freely about the matter on our special Sunday program on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report at 9:00 p.m.



Update: Make no mistake that there is a legitimate threat to whistle blowers and others who dare expose the truth, although in this case, the police acted properly based on the best information they had in their possession at the time, although the information with which they were provided was proven to be false and maliciously reported, according to Hagmann. “It’s a very convoluted situation,” stated Hagmann, adding that there is more to this story than can be responsibly reported at this time.”

Hagmann added: “I would like to thank you and everyone involved in praying for my safety and the safety of my family. It is my belief that it was prayer and the hand of God that diffused a situation that could have turned out much, much worse. I am glad to be back in the safety of my own home, and cannot begin to express just how much of a role prayer and Godliness will play in the things we are about to experience on a larger scale. May God bless you and everyone for their thoughts and prayers.”


That was a coded warning to Hagmann. Someone who knows EXACTLY what he's doing (and what a threat he is) sent a false report to the police as an indirect way of intimidating him.

[naste.de.lumina]

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From http://stevequay​le.com/ind​ex.php?s=3​3&d=42​7






Hagmann unhurt after law enforcement incident

Earlier today, a report was posted that Doug Hagmann, host of The Hagmann & Hagmann Report was involved in an altercation with armed authorities while driving on a city street early this morning. As reported, he suddenly and inexplicably found himself surrounded by police SUV vehicles and a cadre of police officers treating him as if he was a terrorist threat. That incident was indeed accurate as initially reported, but was temporarily removed at his request until further details could be provided.

After obtaining additional details of the incident, it was determined that this incident was not directly related to the journalistic work he has been performing, or the active NSA surveillance he has experienced. Investigation ultimately determined that the incident originated from a false complaint filed with a law enforcement agency by an individual familiar with Doug Hagmann’s work and positive reputation. It was an attempt, in part, to harm his reputation as well as take him away from his investigative work.



Following some tense moments, the incident involving Doug Hagmann has been cleared and he escaped from this drama unhurt. Nonetheless, some very sensitive issues related to this incident are currently in play and have yet to be fully resolved. Accordingly, Doug Hagmann asked that any further release of information be limited until these issues can be resolved for the safety and security of him and his family. Doug Hagmann expects to be able to talk more freely about the matter on our special Sunday program on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report at 9:00 p.m.



Update: Make no mistake that there is a legitimate threat to whistle blowers and others who dare expose the truth, although in this case, the police acted properly based on the best information they had in their possession at the time, although the information with which they were provided was proven to be false and maliciously reported, according to Hagmann. “It’s a very convoluted situation,” stated Hagmann, adding that there is more to this story than can be responsibly reported at this time.”

Hagmann added: “I would like to thank you and everyone involved in praying for my safety and the safety of my family. It is my belief that it was prayer and the hand of God that diffused a situation that could have turned out much, much worse. I am glad to be back in the safety of my own home, and cannot begin to express just how much of a role prayer and Godliness will play in the things we are about to experience on a larger scale. May God bless you and everyone for their thoughts and prayers.”


That was a coded warning to Hagmann. Someone who knows EXACTLY what he's doing (and what a threat he is) sent a false report to the police as an indirect way of intimidating him.

I believe the intention of intimidating him personally, also aims to intimidation of its readers (people like us generally).
It is a message for all who are somehow involved in the dissolution of lies.
And the main weapon as usual is fear.
If we let ourselves be intimidated, it's over.
Strength and confidence without fear is needed more than ever.

Edited.
It would be interesting to find out who is behind the scene of this false report .
It is a person of influence because they got their goals with the police easily

[MargueriteBee]

Man, am I glad I did not bring any children into this world!

[Bill Ryan]

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Doug Hagmann and his DHS insider source have now captured Glenn Beck's attention. Whatever one might think of Beck, his judgment, and his ego, this has to be a good thing.

Those following my reports over the last year will be aware that I am convinced that Hagmann's insider source is (a) real, (b) senior, and (c) well-informed.

Here's what Glenn Beck said, on his 10 June show (4 mins audio):

http://projectavalon.net/Glenn_Beck_on_Doug_Hagmann_DHS_Insider_10_june_2013.mp3

And here's what he wrote on his website:




DHS Insider: It's about to get ugly

http://glennbeck.com/2013/06/10/dhs-insider-it’s-about-to-get-ugly (http://glennbeck.com/2013/06/10/dhs-insider-it%E2%80%99s-about-to-get-ugly)

Over the weekend, Glenn read a shocking story out of Canada where a DHS insider warned that things were about to get very ugly for anyone exposing this administration either as a whistleblower or as a dissenting voice in the media.

Doug Hagmann with the Canadian Free Press explained his encounter with a DHS insider: (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55749)




"If anyone thinks that what’s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they’re delusional. If people think that this ‘scandal’ can’t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ‘policy and practice’ in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what’s going on, and just do their job.

I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ‘betrayal.’ That’s what they call it, ‘betrayal.’ Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ‘betrayal,’” he said.

“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.

After reading this story, Glenn forwarded it on to TheBlaze news team to verify it and see how it matched up with the information they were getting from their sources. What he received in response from the team at TheBlaze was one of the most chilling things he has ever read.

“I found that and I sent that immediately to my global information desk in New York,” Glenn said. “And this is the responsive: Glenn, I can’t tell you about this source or this story, but I can tell you this: One, our sources have been increasingly afraid and have insisted in some cases on similar clandestine arrangements to deliver information.”

“Two, they have avoided all e‑mails, cellphones from the get‑go and that is becoming even more the case of late,” he continued, “They have reported increased security and scrutiny on their jobs, along with warnings of what happens ‘to those that commit treason’.”

“Three, they are uniformly panicked and they feel what info they have has got to get out to be broadcast to the broadest possible group as quickly as possible. They are growing very frustrated by the lack of response from the American people and are becoming increasingly bold. See the Guardian and WaPo leaks.They have a fear that they are about to be shut down.”

“Four, many know far more than they have shared and they are trying to figure out ways, as are we, to insulate them so the information can be revealed.”

Glenn asked for the prayers and support of the audience, warning that things were only going to get harder from here.

[GlassSteagallfan]

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Here's more regarding the original post:


It's Not Market Rumors, It's A Meltdown

June 15, 2013 • 10:09AM

The world financial system has now entered a twilight zone where uncontrolled hyperinflation has been unleashed, characterized by the fact that no amount of monetary expansion can any longer sustain the rate of growth of the British Empire's cancerous financial aggregates bubble. As a result, massive, unexpected turbulence and capital flows have been unleashed, and are rapidly spinning out of control.

The nature of the problem can only be understood from the standpoint of Lyndon LaRouche's famous Typical Collapse Function graphic. We have now entered the region of that collapse function, where the rate of growth of financial aggregates not only has dropped below the curve of the rate of growth of the monetary pumping, but has begun to plunge rapidly downwards. In this new geometry, massive monetary infusions (QE, etc.) not only fail to bail out the financial aggregates, but actually accelerate their meltdown, all the while driving the physical economy deeper into hell.

21777

It's like a heroin addict, who is so hooked on the "fix" of increasing quantitative easing (QE) of the last few years, that it is no longer a matter of what happens when the QE stops. You not only can't stop the QE; you can't talk about stopping; and you can't even think about the topic of eventually "tapering." In fact, global markets today are already undergoing full-fledged junkie withdrawal symptoms and wild contortions, even as the financial heroin continues to flow freely. To wit:

* Global bond markets are collapsing, and this is "threatening to halt a global refinancing wave," the Financial Times warns. They note that "US sales of investment grade corporate debt... have this week almost come to a complete halt." Recent weekly average of such sales has been about $23.2 billion; this week it is only $3.2 billion—an almost 90% drop. The same thing is happening in the junk bond market.

* Massive reverse carry-trade flows are underway out of the so-called Emerging Markets (EM), such as Brazil. The World Bank has issued a statement warning of the EM implosion, while the IMF has demanded that the U.S. Fed not even think about exiting from QE. In reporting on the EM crisis, the Telegraph's Ambrose Evans-Pritchard notes that "the emerging market rout has become pervasive," with huge outflows occurring from Brazil, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Turkey, Mexico, etc. Brazil alone has spent $5.7 billion in reserves this month to try to stop the capital flight, and has also used derivatives contracts to do the same. Evans-Pritchard quotes a Brazilian asset manager saying: "Brazil seems to be under speculative attack. We are losing reserves very fast. We should not forget that Russia lost $210 billion in reserves in a few weeks during the Lehman crisis in 2008." Brazil has $375 billion in reserves. In the last week they have dropped their 6% tax on foreign bond investors, and lifted their 1% tax on currency derivatives.

* FT Alphaville frets that current levels of QE-smack are no longer producing the desired high: "The smoke and mirrors are fading. What is worrying, however, is that a move of this size has been prompted by simple talk of tapering [QE purchases]. If that's what tapering does, what will the first hint of a proper QE exit inspire?"

* Bloomberg wire service demands that their dope distributor continue to deliver the stuff, big time. "Bernanke needs to emphasize on June 19 [after the next FOMC meeting] that 'policy will remain quite accommodative.'"

Under these circumstances, Lyndon LaRouche commented that the British Empire has something different in mind, and is now consciously taking steps that will mean mass death in the U.S., and elsewhere, very quickly. What will happen when the food supplies are cut, when people can no longer eat? That is the Queen's policy for reducing the population from 7 billion down to one billion.

Source (http://larouchepac.com/node/26975)

[johnf]

Thanks Bill.
It is interesting, and odd to be watching Beck at this time.
I woke up this morning thinking, what if there were a thousand Snowdens at once.
Beck makes it sound like something short of that is happening.
What an interesting, yet truly important show this is.
The times are getting interestinger, and interestinger.

jf

[norman]

"bring down our national leadership"

here we go again, when are folks going to get their heads right the way around all this?

[blufire]

Yes. The information we are receiving from Hagmann and others is dead on. It is about to get incredibly uglier. . . . and for the next several more years.

It is the very painful and traumatic process most will endure as we go Global.

You choose . . . . you can choose to be subjected to the trauma or take your destiny into your own hands , , , it is your responsibility and choice.

Acknowledge and choose and adapt.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59869-Personal-controversial-view-of-Monsanto-Globalists-and-Technology/page4

[norman]

Yes. The information we are receiving from Hagmann and others is dead on. It is about to get incredibly uglier. . . . and for the next several more years.

It is the very painful and traumatic process most will endure as we go Global.

You choose . . . . you can choose to be subjected to the trauma or take your destiny into your own hands , , , it is your responsibility and choice.

Acknowledge and choose and adapt.



I hope you mean that in the best possible sense.

It could equally be understood as a 'half dead' ideology plug.

I think you have survived enough truth trauma on Avalon to be the real deal, but I could blink and read it as something quite spooky too.

[sdv]

The truth is coming out. I came across these two articles this morning:

This one is from Truthdig (full article here http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/the_pentagons_preparations_for_war_against_us_20130615/):


A score of recent defense department and other official documents warn that climate change, energy shocks and economic crisis could trigger waves of civil unrest. The understanding seems to explain the proliferation of security and surveillance programs over the last decade.

The preparation makes sense from the perspective of governments (four of which—the U.K., Canada, Australia and New Zealand—appear to have been granted access to data collected by the NSA spying program disclosed in recent weeks, as members of an international intelligence alliance known as “Five Eyes”). The world can unravel in at least three different ways. If and when it does, those in power will want the means to keep their grip. Truthdig columnist Chris Hedges has been warning us about this for a while now.

The article from The Guardian can be found here http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism and concludes with this:


The Pentagon knows that environmental, economic and other crises could provoke widespread public anger toward government and corporations in coming years. The revelations on the NSA's global surveillance programmes are just the latest indication that as business as usual creates instability at home and abroad, and as disillusionment with the status quo escalates, Western publics are being increasingly viewed as potential enemies that must be policed by the state.

I have not been following the protests at the G8 Summit closely, but headlines are shocking. Why this violence against the protesters? Compare this with how the protests at Bilderberg 2013 were treated and the difference is remarkable. Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

[sygh]

Yes. The information we are receiving from Hagmann and others is dead on. It is about to get incredibly uglier. . . . and for the next several more years.

It is the very painful and traumatic process most will endure as we go Global.

You choose . . . . you can choose to be subjected to the trauma or take your destiny into your own hands , , , it is your responsibility and choice.

Acknowledge and choose and adapt.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59869-Personal-controversial-view-of-Monsanto-Globalists-and-Technology/page4

blufire,

Before I jump, would you mind explaining what you mean? There's going "global", and then there's going global. The way I see it, the only real chance we have at even remotely "going global" has everything to do with abundant energy, water, and food which are all by-products of understanding the natural function of the earth, the sun and the universe at the plasma level (at this given time). As Keshe has stated, Tesla was right but he stopped (leastwise, for all we know he stopped but he claimed he was able to create a generator no bigger than the size of a suitcase) at the material level. So, this information is finally out there, and has been given freely to open source. It is highly accessible to the public but it's use is being held back by many of the "globalists" who fear what will come of it. Monsanto does not equal abundance, if that were the case, we wouldn't have a case. Keshe's Unified Theory and the knowledge and technology thereof = abundance (IMO).

To "adapt" in the prior connotation seems like a futile act. Greenspan said jump but he could have very well said duck. Maybe he should have, cause there is no way this world will get global til the above problems are solved or, the majority are dead.

[sygh]

I opt for abundance. Finances are a game of trade but you can't trade what you don't have; I'm not going to follow these financial fools. We are in an ecological crisis if ever there was one, and to hold the technology that could literally solve so many of the problems we are facing back is, again IMO, the most heinous crime against man and nature ever committed, be it out of ignorance, arrogance, or purposeful intent. Intent; intent, that is the issue.

Periodically, I think this is where Bill would come in and remind us we are all spinning on a rock. In reality, we are all spinning on a neutron bwhaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Nibiru is the sun's twinity! Hee, hee, hee! This is so frickin' amazing! I'm absolutely in awe of the information that is coming our way. Here it is! It is here! This is it! How much better does it get than that? Bill, you studied physics... Keshe's got it, doesn't he. Yes, he does. And he's explained so that a 5 yr. old could understand it. Let's build them and implement the change.

NO invasion of Syria, no invasion of Iran. And if they do, Oh, ho, ho, shame on them! Game frickin' over! These globalists talk a pretty game of peace, lets see if they actually mean it. They know what Keshe's got, and a lot of others too. They know what's coming. Quantitative Easing, if I'm thinking correctly, doesn't mean a thing in the big picture, it just more demagoguery . I hope that's right but electronic things can disappear.

Sorry to edit but I just thought of something else about going global.

Currently, "going global" equates to a large version of the American term "going postal." Just sayin'.

[humanalien]

What or who is Keshe and

To: Bill

Is there any more of that mp3 that you posted
or was that it?

[sygh]

What or who is Keshe and

To: Bill

Is there any more of that mp3 that you posted
or was that it?

Glad you asked.
M.T. Keshe. If this man is a fraud, its on a global scale. If he's a fake, he's the best frickin' snake oil salesman I've ever seen, bar none.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBjtYW6qI4

After that, keep digging, it's worth it. I'm looking at and studying the information and it absolutely clicks with me. When you recognize that what he is saying and showing us is more real than what science has been putting out, and where physics has gone, your head might just spin from sheer happiness.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

What or who is Keshe and

To: Bill

Is there any more of that mp3 that you posted
or was that it?

Glad you asked.
M.T. Keshe. If this man is a fraud, its on a global scale. If he's a fake, he's the best frickin' snake oil salesman I've ever seen, bar none.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBjtYW6qI4

After that, keep digging, it's worth it. I'm looking at and studying the information and it absolutely clicks with me. When you recognize that what he is saying and showing us is more real than what science has been putting out, and where physics has gone, your head might just spin from sheer happiness.

At the risk of being reminded to get :focus: , that video was from September 2012. Can anyone estimate how many families are enjoying the benefits of Keshe's discoveries and developments?

[Bill Ryan]

To: Bill

Is there any more of that mp3 that you posted
or was that it?

That was pretty much it (though the video below offers a little more). The MP3 came from Doug Hagmann's site here:

http://hagmannandhagmann.com/1/post/2013/06/glenn-beck-discusses-dhs-insider-its-about-to-get-ugly.html

Here's the original video of Glenn Beck reading the report, and commenting.

http://media.gbtv.com/open/gbtv/2013/06/10/rth_27908303_1200K.mp4

[humanalien]

To: Bill

Is there any more of that mp3 that you posted
or was that it?

That was it. It came from Doug Hagmann's site here:

http://hagmannandhagmann.com/1/post/2013/06/glenn-beck-discusses-dhs-insider-its-about-to-get-ugly.html

The rest is on Glenn Beck's 'TheBlaze Radio', which requires a subscription.

OK. Thanks for letting me know..






Edit by Bill : See above. I found a little more, and added it to my post.

[gripreaper]

I just can't get my head wrapped around "Glenn Beck" being the point man for and of this unraveling. My take, is he is choosing to be a barnacle attached to the side of the surveillance aircraft carrier barreling though the ocean, on a trajectory from which he can launch his own aggrandizement.

How else should I look at him?

[naste.de.lumina]

I just can't get my head wrapped around "Glenn Beck" being the point man for and of this unraveling. My take, is he is choosing to be a barnacle attached to the side of the surveillance aircraft carrier barreling though the ocean, on a trajectory from which he can launch his own aggrandizement.

How else should I look at him?

hahaha ... That's what I call an accurate description. No disrespect to the barnacle logically.

[Bill Ryan]

I just can't get my head wrapped around "Glenn Beck" being the point man for and of this unraveling. My take, is he is choosing to be a barnacle attached to the side of the surveillance aircraft carrier barreling though the ocean, on a trajectory from which he can launch his own aggrandizement.

How else should I look at him?

I agree, but I'd suggest that it may not matter.

Beck's ego is the motivator for his grandstanding anything that comes to him that may be significant. If that pushes (e.g.) a new whistleblower into the spotlight, then that would be surely a good thing.

[gripreaper]

. If that pushes (e.g.) a new whistleblower into the spotlight, then that would be surely a good thing.

If it pushes everything hidden in the shadows out into the light of day, that surely "could" be a good thing, provided the energy of such a massive shift is not used by the nefarious agenda to foster their dialectic of total control of this planet, which I am not entirely convinced is not what this is all about.

Either way, whether this is an engineered dialectic of the elite to control both sides, or if this is true whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork and the subsequent backlash which is ensuing, and heads are rolling, it is a critical time for the awakening of all sentient beings and how we each react to this.

Our energy and our voice has never been more critical.

[Christine]

. If that pushes (e.g.) a new whistleblower into the spotlight, then that would be surely a good thing.

If it pushes everything hidden in the shadows out into the light of day, that surely "could" be a good thing, provided the energy of such a massive shift is not used by the nefarious agenda to foster their dialectic of total control of this planet, which I am not entirely convinced is not what this is all about.

Either way, whether this is an engineered dialectic of the elite to control both sides, or if this is true whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork and the subsequent backlash which is ensuing, and heads are rolling, it is a critical time for the awakening of all sentient beings and how we each react to this.

Our energy and our voice has never been more critical.

One can not emphasize this enough... !!!

And thank your gripreaper for my best laugh of the day. Both qualities are so necessary to get us through this. Critical thinking and genuine mirth.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I had a good listen to this radio journal and amongst the brave reportage in it there are things that WILL stop the average person joining in and thats the WAY they try to get the listener to take action.

Lets take the average un awake sheeple being ( a term i have to use to illustrate, i am sorry ).

If you were to examine these beings while talking to them about critical events and actions you would notice a confused and dis interested look come upon their face when you get to the crux of your argument .. ok thats point number one. Then if you try to push them after that with certain expleteives they WILL go back into their snail shell where its comfy.

the only way to get these people ( who have had their most critical brain components disabled ) to take action is to cradle them slowly with not putting them down.

what that does to an omeba type brain capacity is make it recoil.

what omebas like is " hey , hello , come here , yesss thats rifght , do this , nice omeba .. bla bla bla ..

Not , hey YOU ! %#*($ ! !~ ! IF you dont do this you will be @&$$*( ! because thats already gone past theuir brain capacity to calculate it. All they hear is

bla bla bla ( not nice voice tone ) blaaah .. = shut off and go to bed. does not compute.

N
N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

If you want an Omeba to follow ( take not of nature here ) is do what the billions of dollars of research has led the msm to know.

watch msm ... watch how they get their p[rog]ramming across.

Its a stern authoritative figue that does not insult them but seems legit.

Barking to take action is merely venting frustration. Ysss i know ... how will we get attention ?

well the radio show above got my attention but when he started being insultive i switched off.. and im relatively awake. he obviously loves howard stern .. and so do i however stern has worked out the formula.. where as this guy is so close but needs just that tiny bit of refinement to truly make his radio show even more powerful.

i hope this makes sense


N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

If you truly want to get the message across mimmic the msm to the letter . . .

do not shout and cuss

do not insult

just be professional looking

and mimmick the ones you wish to take over ..

sooner or later the miasmic omebas will be confused ..

they will go

hmm , aah

hmmm

wha ? .... hmm , grunt , ah haaa a aaa ( i wa thinking of beevis just then ) ah ha haaa

hnnmmm

huh ?

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

if you live and breathe what you believe in , mother nature will take care of the rest . . .

in the mean time , try not to insult those who you wish to influence.

love always to absolutely eveyone reading this and more


Naniu

[sygh]

What or who is Keshe and

To: Bill

Is there any more of that mp3 that you posted
or was that it?

Glad you asked.
M.T. Keshe. If this man is a fraud, its on a global scale. If he's a fake, he's the best frickin' snake oil salesman I've ever seen, bar none.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBjtYW6qI4

After that, keep digging, it's worth it. I'm looking at and studying the information and it absolutely clicks with me. When you recognize that what he is saying and showing us is more real than what science has been putting out, and where physics has gone, your head might just spin from sheer happiness.

At the risk of being reminded to get :focus: , that video was from September 2012. Can anyone estimate how many families are enjoying the benefits of Keshe's discoveries and developments?

You are right, stay on topic. We are talking finances. And yes, that video was dated. Keshe's done more and put out more info in 2013 but he is covered elsewhere. Strictly in my opinion, this technology probably has a lot to do with what is happening in the financial world, a heck of a lot more than what we are hearing. You might want to keep your mind open, you never know. Consider who may oppose this technology coming out and the problems that might lead to. Consider the bugs one might find when trying to put something new like this out to the public w/o nukes. I wonder how he gets his funding? I'd rather do my best to stand behind this man and his technology than shut him out just because he hasn't "saved the world" yet. He's giving it all he's got Captain but as it turns out, it's just not that easy. Dogma is a bear; enter Rupert Sheldrake (The Science Delusion). If it turns out Keshe is a disappointment, I can live with that but I couldn't live very well with myself (I'd probably be one of the first ones to go) if I didn't defend a man who is trying to make a difference - and putting his word, his patents, and his reputation on the line for a better world, not to mention his life's work.

My style of writing is sort of tongue-in-cheek so, I better mention I'm not trying to be curt when I ask: What you think Keshe's doing all of this for? What do you think is his point? He'd have to be flat out nuts or a total megalomaniac to attempt to ruse the entire world. Is he? Could he be stalling? But lets talk about it on the proper channel because energy has nothing to do with money, is that right? And please, do not take offense, I mean none to anyone. I'm basically a happy camper.

So, while it seems like I am off topic consider this: Could it be, just on the outside chance, that the majority of us are supporting the status quo by investing in the wrong things? Not on purpose mind you but by habit (including myself)?

[GoodETxSG]

With all of the LEAKS and DAILY releases of new Scandals things will be getting interesting very soon!
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The Holder hammer & the Chicago plumbers, Centralization of power
More DHS insider from DC

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By Doug Hagmann (Bio and Archives) Thursday, June 20, 2013

As noted in my June 7, 2013 report titled DHS Insider: It’s about to get very ugly, the additional information provided to me that was temporarily withheld from publication is now being released. The methodical and incremental release of information was (and is) deliberate, to allow other things to play out, such as the public exposure to the name Edward Snowden and his revelations regarding just how extensive the domestic surveillance apparatus is—and who the surveillance is actually targeting.



Back to the early hours of June 7, 2013
“You’ve got to understand that they are trying to find the likes of me,” stated my source. Pretty soon, no one is going to be talking to anybody, especially in the alternative media, even about the damn weather. They won’t risk it, and I’m not just talking about a risk to their careers, either. There has been a systematic method of intimidation with some known and even “approved” media contacts, not just against them, but against their families,” he emphasized.

“Just give it two weeks at most, it will come out that no one will talk to the media,” he added. [Author note: See this article about AP CEO confirming their sources won’t talk anymore, dated 19 June 2013]. “But let me give you some details about some things I was told too. I know this is second-hand information, but it was from someone in a position of authority to know, someone I trust, and someone who I expect to reveal to [name of elected official deleted] the true extent of what has and in some cases, still is taking place. This individual is preparing to disclose much, and has obtained legal counsel, but the problem is that one misstep could be fatal in a literal sense, and [this source] knows that. If not fatal, there are other legal challenges, especially under a corrupt judiciary. By the time this appears in print, the disclosures will likely have already been made, just not made public.”



The Holder hammer & the Chicago plumbers
“The revelation last month that the Justice Department seized two months of telephone records from the Associated Press (AP) last year is only a small part of the story. The public admission is that the Holder Justice Department obtained only telephone records from three locations, something like 20 lines, and records of calls from the House press gallery for about two months. That’s one of the biggest lies ever told,” stated my source.

“The truth is that it was not limited to AP, and not limited to just number identification and call duration, but was an extensive and active wiretapping operation that included every reporter’s telephone conversations, landline and cell, text messages from their personal and business cellular telephones and other electronic devices. The primary focus is on the press gallery, where everything was monitored in real time.”

“Not only were the communications of reporters compromised, so were the private communications of congressmen and their aides. Listen to what I am saying,” he stressed, “the operation was much larger than anyone can imagine. Recordings, actual voice recordings, were turned over to the Obama administration, along with transcripts of texts, other communications and contacts.”

“NSA assets were used, with the NSA acting as the collection agency for their intermediate client, the DHS. Then, at the highest levels of DHS, they sifted through the information collected. But the ultimate client or recipient of the information was the Obama White House. I don’t know if other agencies were involved in sorting through the material, but DHS, and this was limited to the highest of levels at DHS under the personal direction of Janet Napolitano, provided volumes of data directly to the Obama administration. One person inside the administration I know received the data was Valerie Jarrett,” he stated.
“The other part of the lie is that this operation lasted only two months. That’s a lie. It went on well into late last year, was halted shortly after the election, but then picked back up sometime in January,” he said. Something happened in January where there appeared to be another active wiretapping operation started, but this one appeared to be more focused, or more limited in scope. Maybe, and I’m just guessing here based on some of the things I heard, that the Obama people had narrowed their interests based on the fruits of the previous operation.”

Now the ‘Holder hammer’ is coming down on anyone who opens their mouth, or previously leaked any information that could have been or be detrimental to Obama. I can tell you that Valerie Jarrett is working, out of the White House, with DHS and other agencies to co-ordinate their efforts with Justice,” the latter a reference to the Eric Holder Justice Department. “At the same time, on the media side, there is a ‘plumbers team’ headed out of Chicago, with a long reach to the New York and Washington press correspondents. So they are not only going after those on the inside, but the journalists from the other side.”

“The intimidation factor is huge if a media contact is outside of a small circle of ‘vetted’ journalists who are completely loyal to Obama and his agenda. If you are not part of that inner circle, you are a target, it’s that simple. You are seeing the formation of a state-run media and an administration that will intimidate, punish or prosecute anyone considered unfriendly to the Obama camp from the inside and the outside. Like I said, this also involves elected officials, their staffs and even in some cases, their families. And it is all being done under the color of authority and the pretext of national security,” he added.

Loyalty to the man, not the office
It was at this point I asked my source, what were or are they looking for?

“Anything and everything,” he responded. “Obviously, it’s about loyalty to the man, damn the country and damn the law. Protect the man and the agenda, which is not just his agenda, but the people who put him in office.”

Like who? I asked.

“Who benefits? This is about dismantling the United States and nothing less. This is about foreign interests who have taken over our government without a shot. Look at Syria and our economy, both issues that are expected, at least as discussed within DHS, to play out this year. You had it correct on both counts when you wrote about our involvement in Syria, by way of weapons shipments from Benghazi, to open another war. You also had it correct when you wrote about the killing of the U.S. Dollar. You want to know how I know this? Because the blowback from those two issues alone, one foreign and the other domestic, are what DHS is gearing up for in our ‘homeland,’” he stated.

“Unless there are enough people who wake up fast enough, we will become involved in a war in Syria, with boots on the ground, facing not only Syrian troops but Russian forces. There will be blowback here in the United States. Along with this, you will see the U.S. dollar ‘collapse’ as the reserve currency, and social uprisings here in the U.S. over both. It will be DHS teamed with other federal agencies who will meet, with force, the uprisings. There will be chaos here, but it is expected to be different depending upon where you are at. Big cities will have the most problems, and plans are being made to cordon off cities and restrict travel at the time when these uprisings start. I really didn’t want to use this phrase, but expect martial law to be used ‘for the security’ of those affected by the turmoil.”

“Then, you will see the internet being regulated in a manner that will serve only the agenda of this administration. Either right before or during these events, so-called citizen journalists will be particularly vulnerable. Watch for a serious crackdown of bloggers, online news publications and websites, but not in the way that will be immediately obvious. The ‘plumbers team’ have coordinated their efforts with Internet Service Providers to identify the people like you and others who publish their information on web sites. At first they will cite violations of terms of service. Then, they will select a few ‘troublemakers’ and identify them for criminal prosecution. Others will experience hacking and other electronic attacks. And during all of that, there will be the Obama team flooding the internet with misinformation and disinformation. In fact, that is already taking place.”

During our conversation, I started to ask about certain journalists and bloggers who died, either from ‘natural causes’ or in accidents, suicides, and under other strange circumstances. My source interrupted before I could finish my question.

“Don’t even go there, don’t bother asking me, because I just don’t know, he stated in a rather agitated manner. I do have my suspicions about one, maybe two who got a bit too close to the truth and foolishly trusted certain people, but I really don’t know for sure.”

So, what will all of this look like, I asked, when it all comes down.

“I’ve thought about that myself, and have seen some DHS documents outlining different scenarios. Maybe not what you think,” he replied. “Outside of the rioting in certain urban areas, the low stocks at your local stores, and rationing of gas, maybe not as dire as you imagine. My best guess is a combination of the riots of the 1960s along with the gasoline rationing of the 1970s, at least at first. Once people who want to save the country, those with good intentions begin to organize, it will become incrementally worse,” he stated.

“Like a car careening off a cliff, but not hitting the bottom right away. It will hit jagged edges first, each time suffering more damage. Each blow will be worse than the next.”

Centralization
“Let me try to sum it up for you. It’s getting late, and I mean it’s getting late this morning and late for our country. This is all about centralization of power and pursuing an agenda that makes no sense or has any benefit to the United States. All of the things we are seeing are related. The IRS, Syria, Benghazi, the NSA, and just about everything you can name is about one thing: the consolidation of power and the centralization of authority. This party did not start with Obama, and might not end with him either.”

I interjected my surprise at this point, noting that I thought the worst, like others, that we might not see another presidential election. “When did I mention anything about an election?”

“You’re not thinking big enough,” he admonished. Nobody is thinking big enough, or has been thinking at all, which is why we’re in this position. This is a global agenda, or an agenda of the global interests, the money interests. Do you think for one second that if a person, and I don’t give a damn who it is or what position they hold, becomes a liability to those interests that they wouldn’t get rid of them? Don’t you think those in power know this?

Cryptically, he spoke of Obama’s apparent infatuation with Abraham Lincoln and asked, rhetorically whether that means anything. A country that will fall into a civil war of sorts, and all of the things common to both. Does Obama know something, or feel something? Is that playing in to his desire for oaths only to him, and not the country? Think about it.”

Time frame
As we were parting, I felt a bit like Peter Falk playing Columbo in the 1970s television series when I said that I had “just one more question.” When is all of this going to start?

What? He turned and looked at me as if I had uttered an insult.

“It’s already begun. You’re seeing it now. If you want to know a date when our money will tank, or when the war goes hot, or when you won’t be able to get food or gas, I can’t tell you, and I don’t think anyone can. But remember what I said before, about the metals taking a hit and something happening after that. Look at the metals market. The U.S. has very little gold. Everything you see is being manipulated, from the economy to the metals to foreign policy. I believe that most politicians know how dire things are, and most are clawing their way for a seat at the global table. But if I had to answer you, and I guess I will so you’ll let me leave, I’d look for something to happen in early July as a precursor to the more major events later in the summer or fall, maybe in October.”

“But don’t try to look at dates for answers, look at events, even the small ones. Remember, their objectives haven’t changed, only their plans to adapt to the right conditions. To the unaware, it will look like everything was just one big unfortunate coincidence.”

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Tom got it right.



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[Billy]

Tom got it right.



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Great Quote coming from a descendent of King Robert The Bruce. :whistle:

[ThePythonicCow]

A copy of a post I just made at QE3 Mortgage backed Securities $40B/mo (Post #49) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49756-QE3-Mortgage-backed-Securities-40B-mo&p=690817&viewfull=1#post690817):





Rather I expect it will be a depression, with few jobs, and most imports priced out of reach of most of us. Unfortunately, most imports include food and fuel, so this one's going to hurt. Foreigners won't want our US Dollars anymore, and until we get our act together and figure out how to make or mine something they want in trade, it will be slim pickings here in the US.

A newsletter to which I subscribe, Jim Willie's The Hat Trick Letter (http://www.goldenjackass.com), quotes an anonymous inside source who anticipates that a major US Dollar devaluation will occur in the fall of 2013, raising the price of goods imported into the US market. Since Dollars and jobs are already getting increasingly difficult to come by within the US, and since the US imports so much of what it uses, including oil, upon which so much more depends, this Dollar devaluation will send serious shock waves through the country.

This will not likely be a single event, but rather a prolonged siege, as the Dollar hegemony collapses, big banks fail, governments go bankrupt (e.g. Detroit (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/15/emergency-manager-detroit-wont-pay-25b-it-owes/), once one of the wealthiest cities in the world), pension funds and retirement accounts are raided, ...

The key question, in my mind, is "what next"? Are we simply transitioning to the next phase of tyranny, on a more global scale, or are the tyrants losing their grip?

There are evidently some major forces and players behind the scenes, contesting with each other and seeking increased control over humanity.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The key question, in my mind, is "what next"? Are we simply transitioning to the next phase of tyranny, on a more global scale, or are the tyrants losing their grip?


Now that is the BIG question. Since thoughts may influence the outcome, I prefer to err on the side of freedom.

[blufire]

It is utterly fascinating to me that there has been so much discussion and debate and arguments on many websites, all msm radio and tv programs, political venues (republican and democrat and other), all aspects of the financial and economic world from every major country etc. etc. for 20+ years that we would be under a One World Government or New World Order and when we see it being implemented right before your eyes . . . .everyone is like HUH? WTF is going on . . . . and we are supposed to be the awake ones?

In order for there to be ultimate and complete global order or United Planet (my opinion) all governments in the 1st worlds and tyrannies in the 3rd world countries have to be obliterated. All religions and cultural/heritage aspects that keep us divided have to be reformed or become androgenic, all economy and financial structures as we know them have to be destroyed. . . .all of them . . . even bitcoins and metals.

THIS is what is happening NOW it will be accelerated rapidly. We are in for very traumatic and chaotic times in the next 20+ years before things begin to settle back into this new Global community.

Guess no one has been reading Sabrinas thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41059-Massive-Bank-and-High-Profile-Resignations-Across-the-World&p=690057#post690057

The ‘tyrants’ are not losing their grip. They are watching carefully what is being implemented around them and what is coming down through the pipe. These people are smart and savvy. These ‘tyrants’ and ‘elite’ are no different than you or I . . . just smarter and perhaps (for the most part) wealthier. ‘They’ know when to fold them and when to hold them. They are watching and baling out to be ready for the new Global economy BUT my belief is even they will be very disappointed this time around. But we will still have to endure the next 20+ years.

The ones who are truly behind what is going on globally have absolutely and positively no need for money or any type of wealth or control it is meaningless and we in our duality and apathy cannot fathom this.

The ‘ones’ are neither benevolent nor evil. They are not dualistic in nature or existence as we are. We have great difficulty understanding this . . . or simply can’t or won’t understand it. We always resort to being victims or slaves or other negative positions.

So yes . . . things are going to get ugly and things are going to become chaotic and traumatic for those who CHOOSE this.

You can CHOOSE to hunker down within the same way of living you have now, where you try to play the same game as the ‘elite’ and ‘cabal’. You can CHOOSE to try to maintain or gain economic status and wealth and materialistic things. You can CHOOSE to be taken care of with the food and goods and subsidies that are (hopefully) brought to you and that you will have to continue to fight for during these ugly years. AND THIS IS OKAY if you choose this way of life. . . . just be aware that what you choose comes with ACCEPTING what comes with it. To choose this and then cry victimization or slavery or evil because you don’t HAVE what those you see as the elite HAVE is what makes you apathetic, victimized and enslaved.

If you choose this way of life and accept what may come with it then there will be more peace and more contented life for the next 20+ years while globalization is implemented. You will struggle greatly but at least if you are not able or not willing to take care of yourself you can weather through it as most are doing now.

OR you can CHOOSE to be responsible for your own livelihood and for those around you. Learn to be self sufficient and reliant. Watch carefully what is being implemented and understand what it will look like down the road and use this to your benefit and advantage. Use the technology that is and will be implemented to your advantage. Adapt and teach those around you how to become invisible.

This is not an easiy lifestyle either because you will be responsible for every mouthful of food that goes in your mouth or the warmth of your home. But with family and community it is NO different that what is being done in 3rd world countries or for generations before us.

Get out of the way of the chaos and turmoil until the dust settles. Be a harbor for the weary and the next generations.

Or you can CHOOSE to stick you head deeper in a sheep’s butt and say woe is me and believe that none of this is truly happening and that somehow the ‘elite’ or ‘cabal’ are going to be fried with a laser gun or swooped away into a cosmic jailhouse. OR HEY!! I know . . . let’s all concentrate really hard and wish in a new beautiful timeline or somehow ZAP them with our positive go to hell thoughts.

We Are Going Global . . . as in . . . One World Government or New World Order.

But what I have come to understand and see very clearly is very very very few understand what this New World will be. . . . not immediately but 50+ years in the future.

We WILL make it this TIME. We as a Humanity will be in a place of unity and abundance we all dream of . . . and I mean that , , ,we DREAM of this place . . .we have this information in our dna . . . . and if you let it you will hear it.

So CHOOSE how you will weather the next 25 to 50 years. Acknowledge, Adapt. Prepare.


I am going out to milk my goats now so I can make yogurt in the morning.

[Calz]

blufire I just want to add my appreciation for what you have done regardless of what comes to pass.

You have walked the walk big time.

I am not sure what will all fall out but I can in no way take away from what you perceive.

You are in a position to survive if the worst case scenario comes to pass.

Speaking of which do you have an underground shelter to protect you for a couple weeks if, as the hopi suggest, we need to be protected from the sun (allegedly when the magnetosphere drops during a magnetic pole shift)?

Some suggest anything on the surface (read crops) will be scorched.

Humanity as a whole has no clue as to how vulnerable they really are.

So much of the population in the western world relies on next day delivery ... oy.

Good luck with that one.


Be well and stay true to your heart regardless of what anyone anywhere suggests.


Cal

[Dennis Leahy]

The storybook version of a New World Order might be no nations, no religions, one global currency, maybe even one global language... but is that just some writer's fantasy meme that we have breathed life into?

So, right now,we have a small cadre of top-tier global rulers (I have heard the numbers 24 to 33 individuals) with (supposedly) about 300 families in the 2nd tier. Do they want:

a.) all of it. Everything. All humans as literal slaves with barely enough to survive and keep on producing what the slave owners want

or

b.) to maintain themselves at the level to which they are accustomed.

If they go for "a", they'll have to lobotomize us, or we'll always be a potential raging horde. If they stick with "b", they don't really have to do much of anything. They already have a very smooth working machine. They just need to keep us divided and bickering over tomatoes and to-maaaah-toes, and we'll never unite to use our vast numbers to overturn the game board.

Nations, flags, even religions don't hurt their bottom line. They make money off of every transaction, whether it is organic food or pesticide-infused GMO food, atomic energy or oil or solar panels, whether we donate to a church or a charity or a prostitute. They always get theirs, and quite frankly, for anyone with multi billions of dollars, it really doesn't matter much. They seem to like power and control quite a lot, and yes, I could see some of them getting a bit stupid and wanting every dollar bill to have a picture of their great grand-daddy or their favorite occult symbol, but with as many families and top-tier strategists to be a check and balance, I think they will always opt for the closest thing that will guarantee they never lose control and wealth. Maintaining the status quo fulfills that.

I have changed my thinking, and now believe the NWO is already here. This is what it looks like. Oh sure, the 3rd tier and 4th tier players are jockeying and may cause a ruckus or even the Great-er Depression (so they can grab more stuff for pennies on the dollar, like they did in 1929), but I do not think the top tier will allow the complete destabilization of all the mechanisms that have worked to keep us controlled for centuries - maybe even millennia. They will keep the circus running, from the clowns (organized religion) to the freak show (politics) to the popcorn (GMO, of course.) The show must go on! Otherwise, they risk EVERYTHING if they drastically alter the game - and for what? They already own nearly everything and control everything. Occasionally, they may produce a dazzling magician (false flag) to keep the fear level high enough to make security easy.

Yes, I believe there will be a Great-er Depression, (very soon), which will be quite shocking to many of us who have had it pretty easy. Some will be very pissed off and will grab their guns (and may even shoot some 4th tier or 5th tier "rich" people) - and the Controllers know this and are fully prepared. They won't be harmed.

The only way off of the mobius strip is to unite, and though I hold out a hope for that, I will not be surprised if we remain divided.

I do wonder if those who are extremely well set-up as homesteaders stand to lose it all with the stroke of a pen: when local, county, and State governments go broke, will they simply keep raising property tax until the state takes all property? If we fail to unite, there may not actually be any safe haven - no matter how hard you have worked and for how long.

Dennis

[naste.de.lumina]

The storybook version of a New World Order might be no nations, no religions, one global currency, maybe even one global language... but is that just some writer's fantasy meme that we have breathed life into?

So, right now,we have a small cadre of top-tier global rulers (I have heard the numbers 24 to 33 individuals) with (supposedly) about 300 families in the 2nd tier. Do they want:

a.) all of it. Everything. All humans as literal slaves with barely enough to survive and keep on producing what the slave owners want

or

b.) to maintain themselves at the level to which they are accustomed.

If they go for "a", they'll have to lobotomize us, or we'll always be a potential raging horde. If they stick with "b", they don't really have to do much of anything. They already have a very smooth working machine. They just need to keep us divided and bickering over tomatoes and to-maaaah-toes, and we'll never unite to use our vast numbers to overturn the game board.

Nations, flags, even religions don't hurt their bottom line. They make money off of every transaction, whether it is organic food or pesticide-infused GMO food, atomic energy or oil or solar panels, whether we donate to a church or a charity or a prostitute. They always get theirs, and quite frankly, for anyone with multi billions of dollars, it really doesn't matter much. They seem to like power and control quite a lot, and yes, I could see some of them getting a bit stupid and wanting every dollar bill to have a picture of their great grand-daddy or their favorite occult symbol, but with as many families and top-tier strategists to be a check and balance, I think they will always opt for the closest thing that will guarantee they never lose control and wealth. Maintaining the status quo fulfills that.

I have changed my thinking, and now believe the NWO is already here. This is what it looks like. Oh sure, the 3rd tier and 4th tier players are jockeying and may cause a ruckus or even the Great-er Depression (so they can grab more stuff for pennies on the dollar, like they did in 1929), but I do not think the top tier will allow the complete destabilization of all the mechanisms that have worked to keep us controlled for centuries - maybe even millennia. They will keep the circus running, from the clowns (organized religion) to the freak show (politics) to the popcorn (GMO, of course.) The show must go on! Otherwise, they risk EVERYTHING if they drastically alter the game - and for what? They already own nearly everything and control everything. Occasionally, they may produce a dazzling magician (false flag) to keep the fear level high enough to make security easy.

Yes, I believe there will be a Great-er Depression, (very soon), which will be quite shocking to many of us who have had it pretty easy. Some will be very pissed off and will grab their guns (and may even shoot some 4th tier or 5th tier "rich" people) - and the Controllers know this and are fully prepared. They won't be harmed.

The only way off of the mobius strip is to unite, and though I hold out a hope for that, I will not be surprised if we remain divided.

I do wonder if those who are extremely well set-up as homesteaders stand to lose it all with the stroke of a pen: when local, county, and State governments go broke, will they simply keep raising property tax until the state takes all property? If we fail to unite, there may not actually be any safe haven - no matter how hard you have worked and for how long.

Dennis

Here a vision.
A bit stereotypical as it is a fiction film, then there has to be adventure.
But give us an idea of ​​how they see a perfect world (for them of course).

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[norman]

The storybook version of a New World Order might be no nations, no religions, one global currency, maybe even one global language... but is that just some writer's fantasy meme that we have breathed life into?

So, right now,we have a small cadre of top-tier global rulers (I have heard the numbers 24 to 33 individuals) with (supposedly) about 300 families in the 2nd tier. Do they want:

a.) all of it. Everything. All humans as literal slaves with barely enough to survive and keep on producing what the slave owners want

or

b.) to maintain themselves at the level to which they are accustomed.

If they go for "a", they'll have to lobotomize us, or we'll always be a potential raging horde. If they stick with "b", they don't really have to do much of anything. They already have a very smooth working machine. They just need to keep us divided and bickering over tomatoes and to-maaaah-toes, and we'll never unite to use our vast numbers to overturn the game board.

Nations, flags, even religions don't hurt their bottom line. They make money off of every transaction, whether it is organic food or pesticide-infused GMO food, atomic energy or oil or solar panels, whether we donate to a church or a charity or a prostitute. They always get theirs, and quite frankly, for anyone with multi billions of dollars, it really doesn't matter much. They seem to like power and control quite a lot, and yes, I could see some of them getting a bit stupid and wanting every dollar bill to have a picture of their great grand-daddy or their favorite occult symbol, but with as many families and top-tier strategists to be a check and balance, I think they will always opt for the closest thing that will guarantee they never lose control and wealth. Maintaining the status quo fulfills that.

I have changed my thinking, and now believe the NWO is already here. This is what it looks like. Oh sure, the 3rd tier and 4th tier players are jockeying and may cause a ruckus or even the Great-er Depression (so they can grab more stuff for pennies on the dollar, like they did in 1929), but I do not think the top tier will allow the complete destabilization of all the mechanisms that have worked to keep us controlled for centuries - maybe even millennia. They will keep the circus running, from the clowns (organized religion) to the freak show (politics) to the popcorn (GMO, of course.) The show must go on! Otherwise, they risk EVERYTHING if they drastically alter the game - and for what? They already own nearly everything and control everything. Occasionally, they may produce a dazzling magician (false flag) to keep the fear level high enough to make security easy.

Yes, I believe there will be a Great-er Depression, (very soon), which will be quite shocking to many of us who have had it pretty easy. Some will be very pissed off and will grab their guns (and may even shoot some 4th tier or 5th tier "rich" people) - and the Controllers know this and are fully prepared. They won't be harmed.

The only way off of the mobius strip is to unite, and though I hold out a hope for that, I will not be surprised if we remain divided.

I do wonder if those who are extremely well set-up as homesteaders stand to lose it all with the stroke of a pen: when local, county, and State governments go broke, will they simply keep raising property tax until the state takes all property? If we fail to unite, there may not actually be any safe haven - no matter how hard you have worked and for how long.

Dennis

I disagree with at least 70% of all that but as you are a pretty savi talker/writer and I'm not feeling up to putting together a proper bullet proof response right now, I'll hang on a bit and maybe you'll write more on this firmed up opinion of yours that I can get my teeth into later.

I'll just point out, for now, that you've left out something very important. You've left out the fact that those crooks actually have a plan and a religious mind set about it.

Perhaps you'll consider that a little and write some more of this view of yours down, while it develops some more.

I think I'm going to enjoy it.

[naste.de.lumina]

What's happening to human beings in terms of consciousness is irreversible. The cabal and archons know it.
The photon belt is a fact. The Mayans left us records that. It is not a fantasy.
They are desperately trying to stop this process. It is useless to attempt this.
They would have to shut down the belt of photons to achieve this.
They even know that this same photon belt will exercise some influence on them.
And are terrified because they have no idea of the consequences and no control over them.
The desire and need for control is a function of fear.
These entities have more fear than us because they have full awareness of their actions and know their consequences.
Creatures desperate to desperate measures.

[gripreaper]

I have changed my thinking, and now believe the NWO is already here. This is what it looks like. Oh sure, the 3rd tier and 4th tier players are jockeying and may cause a ruckus or even the Great-er Depression (so they can grab more stuff for pennies on the dollar, like they did in 1929), but I do not think the top tier will allow the complete destabilization of all the mechanisms that have worked to keep us controlled for centuries - maybe even millennia. They will keep the circus running, from the clowns (organized religion) to the freak show (politics) to the popcorn (GMO, of course.) The show must go on! Otherwise, they risk EVERYTHING if they drastically alter the game - and for what? They already own nearly everything and control everything. Occasionally, they may produce a dazzling magician (false flag) to keep the fear level high enough to make security easy. Dennis

The new World Order is already here. All power is essentially centralized already, and to go from "nation/states" to one system doesn't serve the agenda of "divide and conquer" very well. The elite need divisiveness in order to keep us fighting amongst each other across religious, political and scarce resource boundaries, and all the other myriad of manufactured fissions in consciousness.

To say "we are going to pull everything under one roof" when everything is already under one roof, only serves to agitate the masses and polarize them to causes and beliefs, never actually getting consciousness, creativity or evolution to the heart of the matter.

It's quite brilliant actually. Imagine creating a hidden economy with hidden funds, absconded from the surface economy to the tune of trillions of dollars, building massive underground cities tied together by an underground transportation network, building interstellar craft that can fly to the moon and mars, having Tesla free energy and schmoozing with extraterrestrials while the rest of the planet is still on oil and electricity, being terraformed for extinction.

And 90% of the planet is still oblivious to these facts. Quite astounding.

The controllers know about energy. They know what they have to do in the quantum field in order to keep us unconscious, and what we need to learn is how to be conscious and how to be righteous (right use of energy) and learn what the controllers have always known.

The battle is not in the GMO fields of this world, but in the hearts of the people. It only takes a remnant of the 7 billion to wake up and the matrix responds, the very energy of the universe aligns.

Those who see "gloom and doom" for the next 20 to 50 years will get "gloom and doom". Those who see the transformation of mankind and the possibility of the golden age, will create that in their own lives, and live it regardless of the chaos around them.

We're going global? We already are.

[Dennis Leahy]

I disagree with at least 70% of all that but as you are a pretty savi talker/writer and I'm not feeling up to putting together a proper bullet proof response right now, I'll hang on a bit and maybe you'll write more on this firmed up opinion of yours that I can get my teeth into later.

I'll just point out, for now, that you've left out something very important. You've left out the fact that those crooks actually have a plan and a religious mind set about it.

Perhaps you'll consider that a little and write some more of this view of yours down, while it develops some more.

I think I'm going to enjoy it.It's just my opinion. I showed you mine; show me yours.

Do you think you know their plan? I don't think I do - I know I'm guessing. I'm using logic and guessing. I can repeat the words of a bunch of "insiders" that said they know the plan. That would be really easy. Instead, I'm taking what I see, and formulating an opinion.

Tell me what you think. Make a better guess than mine and show me your logic, and I may go with you. Change my mind.

Dennis

[778 neighbour of some guy]

The storybook version of a New World Order might be no nations, no religions, one global currency, maybe even one global language... but is that just some writer's fantasy meme that we have breathed life into?

So, right now,we have a small cadre of top-tier global rulers (I have heard the numbers 24 to 33 individuals) with (supposedly) about 300 families in the 2nd tier. Do they want:

a.) all of it. Everything. All humans as literal slaves with barely enough to survive and keep on producing what the slave owners want

or

b.) to maintain themselves at the level to which they are accustomed.

If they go for "a", they'll have to lobotomize us, or we'll always be a potential raging horde. If they stick with "b", they don't really have to do much of anything. They already have a very smooth working machine. They just need to keep us divided and bickering over tomatoes and to-maaaah-toes, and we'll never unite to use our vast numbers to overturn the game board.

Nations, flags, even religions don't hurt their bottom line. They make money off of every transaction, whether it is organic food or pesticide-infused GMO food, atomic energy or oil or solar panels, whether we donate to a church or a charity or a prostitute. They always get theirs, and quite frankly, for anyone with multi billions of dollars, it really doesn't matter much. They seem to like power and control quite a lot, and yes, I could see some of them getting a bit stupid and wanting every dollar bill to have a picture of their great grand-daddy or their favorite occult symbol, but with as many families and top-tier strategists to be a check and balance, I think they will always opt for the closest thing that will guarantee they never lose control and wealth. Maintaining the status quo fulfills that.

I have changed my thinking, and now believe the NWO is already here. This is what it looks like. Oh sure, the 3rd tier and 4th tier players are jockeying and may cause a ruckus or even the Great-er Depression (so they can grab more stuff for pennies on the dollar, like they did in 1929), but I do not think the top tier will allow the complete destabilization of all the mechanisms that have worked to keep us controlled for centuries - maybe even millennia. They will keep the circus running, from the clowns (organized religion) to the freak show (politics) to the popcorn (GMO, of course.) The show must go on! Otherwise, they risk EVERYTHING if they drastically alter the game - and for what? They already own nearly everything and control everything. Occasionally, they may produce a dazzling magician (false flag) to keep the fear level high enough to make security easy.

Yes, I believe there will be a Great-er Depression, (very soon), which will be quite shocking to many of us who have had it pretty easy. Some will be very pissed off and will grab their guns (and may even shoot some 4th tier or 5th tier "rich" people) - and the Controllers know this and are fully prepared. They won't be harmed.

The only way off of the mobius strip is to unite, and though I hold out a hope for that, I will not be surprised if we remain divided.

I do wonder if those who are extremely well set-up as homesteaders stand to lose it all with the stroke of a pen: when local, county, and State governments go broke, will they simply keep raising property tax until the state takes all property? If we fail to unite, there may not actually be any safe haven - no matter how hard you have worked and for how long.

Dennis

By now all of this does not seem to be far fetched at all to be honest with you, sort of discouraging as well, I hope your analysis is way way of in our advantage but I am afraid it is pretty damn much spot on, they got the guns, but we got the numbers would be a nice oneliner to drop here, unfortunately they also have the beans, the seeds, the soil, the oil, the natural resources for our solar panels, the metal, and we are being played from every angle, they ****ed up our dna, our women's breasts, our fighters, our hormones, our water, put poison and carcinogens in just about everything we own, medicate us, in every kitchen cabinet under sink is enough poison to kill your household twice, depleted the soils with monoculture, vaccinate us, lie about what a good diet is, I want a better future for any of us but the depth of the deception is so great I no longer know where to start to be of some help in creating this better future. No where to run and no where to hide, all I got is a few months of food, a Sawyer squeeze and a steripen, I will be just as screwed, just five months later.

Sorry if this got of topic, I got sort of emotional and let it drag me in, ho'o'pono'pono does not always work in an instant.

Joe Rogan clip removed by me

[Dennis Leahy]

778 neighbour of some guy, (if what I said above is correct), maybe it simply means that we need to change our strategy, not stop fighting. If you think the enemy is outside the gate, you'll fortify the castle walls and drawbridge; if you think the enemy is inside and has taken control of the castle, you'll concentrate your efforts within the castle.

I'm convinced that we need to be united and proactive, rather than divided and reactive. (That's not any huge insight, of course, but stating what I see as obvious.) Then, we need to have a solid plan to rid ourselves of the infestation. Like a martial artist, we need to either anticipate their moves and let their energy work against them (let them overplay), or find and attack their vulnerabilities.

Maybe it just says that we have been spending energy on anticipating fighting in the future, and we need to shift our energy to fighting in the present - to be effective. Since I believe that we will be subjected to a shake-down via major economic collapse, I still think it is wise to prepare for that as best we can, but as far as the enemy, well, the enemy is already here.

Dennis

[CD7]

It is already monopolized EVERYTHING.....already been taken over

For change to occur it will b something tht has never happened before to actually change what has not been changed in millennia...

[Fred Steeves]

they got the guns, but we got the numbers would be a nice oneliner to drop here, unfortunately they also have the beans, the seeds, the soil, the oil, the natural resources for our solar panels, the metal, and we are being played from every angle, they ****ed up our dna, our women's breasts, our fighters, our hormones, our water, put poison and carcinogens in just about everything we own, medicate us, in every kitchen cabinet under sink is enough poison to kill your household twice, depleted the soils with monoculture, vaccinate us, lie about what a good diet is,


Yes 778, "they" have certainly got it all don't they? Except, for the ONE thing that was necessarily forsaken in order to do so: Creator Spirit.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The lust for control of others is basically a fear that others will become strong enough to control you.

I suspect that when the control freaks think they have won against us, their alliance will turn into competition creating their own destruction. :thumb:

The best way to play :fencing: our side of the game is to get informed, develop a finely tuned :bs: detector and trust our intuition. Maybe stocking up on beans, rice and other necessities will allow us to watch the grand finale from this side of the veil rather than the other.